June 16, 2025 • 46 mins
Ever wonder what it takes to become truly exceptional at archery? Mark Quinton, a 70-year-old archery expert who has cycled over a million arrows through his shoulders, pulls back the curtain on decades of competitive and hunting experience.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's five o'clock and you're off the clock with B
Scott Now today we have as ourguest Mark Quinton, who is an
archery expert.
He's old school, he's beendoing it a long time.
Got part of the Riggingham crewwith us today.
We're going to ask himquestions.
He's going to teach us he doesa lot of coaching kind of the
proper way to shoot.
So he's going to walk usthrough that and tell us about
his experience and you knowurban hunting.
So, guys, before we get into it, though, make sure you leave a
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
My God man, here we go.
It's always a race car.
That's why I'm with the Hoyt,because everybody on the dark
side Listen, because everybodydoubts Hoyt, I'm team, hoyt I
don't think everybody doubtsHoyt.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
It's a preference man , I know it's a preference.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I've shot Matthews my whole life and I do
exceptionally well with it.
I don't even want to change.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I mean I could mess with any of them.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
I mean you killed seven spikes with it last year.
I cut, cut.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
That's not true guys.
Ask Tim if he's going to shoota Hoyt Nope.
Speaker 6 (01:04):
Probably not yeah, probably not.
That's my newest tattoo.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Obviously you're set up with Matthews.
That's correct, All right.
What led you into building thatwith Matthews?
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Well, I had shot for Hoyt for 25 years, represented
Hoyt and I had a bad shoulderinjury that took a long time to
get better and turned in mycontract so that I'm not
shooting anymore.
All of us, you know thatdoesn't last very long.
You get the itch again.
I started to do some strengthtraining.
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It's hard when you're 70.
They bring everything back.
But I got back where I thoughtI might be able to shoot and I
made a phone call to Levi Morgan, who I've known for years, and
Levi said I think I gotsomething around here, I'll set
you up.
So not only did he set me up,but he sent me about $5,000
worth of brand new equipment,quad rests, all the sights and
(01:59):
everything, brand new case and acontract.
And he said that way, there youknow, it's kind of like how
they retire somebody from theyankees.
Yeah, you know, they get themset back up again and I, I
cycled a lot of arrows and wonus, uh, the state, uh olympic,
senior olympics with it.
Not scores that I shot before,but enough to beat anybody in
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arkansas.
Most arkansas shooters aren'tthat good.
I found out so really, wow, soshockingly told me he was an
arkansas shooter.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I knew he wouldn't give a shot anybody in Arkansas.
Most Arkansas shooters aren'tthat good I found out Really.
So Shockley told me he was anArkansas shooter.
I knew he wasn't that good of ashot.
You're talking about twodifferent levels of shooting.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
I've been there.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I know what they do.
It's so crazy.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
He has the good enough shooting skills, so do
you also bow hunt.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
I do bow hunt and about arrows.
I sat down one afternoonbecause I was bored and decided
to find out how many arrowsmaybe I've cycled through my
shoulders Over a million.
So when you start doing thatyou're like well, no wonder why
I'm having shoulder problems.
But I also bow hunt.
The days of running from treeto tree and climbing up a tree,
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those days are gone.
I don't trust my body enough todo that, but I still hunt the
urban hunt in the village.
It's enough for me.
The first year I donate everyyear for the urban hunt, second
one for myself for meat, andthen I buck hunt.
After that I look forwhatever's big.
If I get one on camera.
I try to get him when he's notcoming out at 1.30 in the
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morning, which in the villageusually is the way it runs.
But yeah, I do bull hunt.
I bull hunted my whole life inall different states.
Never paid to hunt, except the$75 to be in the urban hunt,
right.
So you really like that urbanhunting stuff.
For me it's.
It's.
For me it's easy.
I mean I can walk to my standwhere one of my stands is.
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Uh, it's good because you'redonating it, um, you can find
places in the village that mightnot be, uh, next to somebody's
house.
You know it has to be 50 yardsaway, but that's too close for
me.
I don't want to know what timea guy um turns his lights on or
what channel he's watching onhis tv.
I try to find a place that'stoo close for me.
I don't want to know what timea guy um turns his lights on or
what channel he's watching onhis tv.
I try to find a place that's alittle more private, I
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understand, and there's areasthere to do that.
Is there big bucks in areaslike there?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
is big bucks in there .
What's your biggest buck you'vekilled in a situation like that
?
Speaker 4 (04:18):
I'm a meat hunter, so I never counted a tine in my
life, and I've never gotten amonster deer.
I've hunted them.
I've seen them over the years.
I can.
I could tell you 20 storiesabout big bucks that were were
look like they were accessiblefrom where I was standing.
You just never got the shot off.
So I'm I've never killed areally big buck.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
That I still got time right oh yeah, that's right,
it's never over.
It can be the first time in thehunt this year.
You.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
I mean it seems to me .
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I don't know you went to Matthews, so I don't know.
I'm shooting a raven right now.
Oh okay, you'll get it.
A raven is bad, yes.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
I figure I've earned it.
Yeah, you earned it.
I've had a lot of years whereI've missed or maybe not made
the greatest shot with a raventhat just doesn't seem like it's
ever going to happen you canstretch it further and further,
and further.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
So fast, man.
I mean, it's a game changerreally.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
I've gotten uh 15, I think it's a number in the
village with that raven and I'veseen every one of them drop so
it's just a lethal uh, lethalmachine.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
What broadhead are you shooting on that raven
that's a swat.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
No, you're all going.
What's that?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
it's it's.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
It's uh, uh um, mechanical that guys that are
veterans make, and I picked itup one time eight years ago and
haven't used any.
Haven't really any problem, soyou stick with what works.
Who sells those?
It's swat.
As you know, swat is broadheadsyeah, right from them, yeah.
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I got a question for you.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
So you know, you see, it's kind of controversial.
You see a lot of people thatare kind of like against
crossbows versus bows.
But, like in your situation,you know, it's not ideal for you
to pull back a compound anymore.
So do you think that theyshould have like some kind of on
people that can use crossbowsversus a?
Speaker 4 (06:02):
regular bow.
That would depend on the deerpopulation.
I mean, take the urban hunt,for instance.
The whole purpose of that is toreduce the deer population so
there's less motor vehicleaccidents with deer, and it's
been done.
We've shown great numbers.
The numbers of deer hit by carhas gone way down over the past
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eight years, and that's reallywhat we're looking for.
When I say we, I'm on the boardof directors of Hot Springs
Village, so I'm inside of howeverything works.
I also was the one thatorganized to make the urban hunt
come internally.
It was run by ArkansasBowhunters Association and I was
sitting with a bunch of guysthat were part of that and I
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said why don't we run itourselves?
They go.
We don't have anybody thatknows enough about archery to do
that.
Well, there goes a lot of mytime because we set it up and
now it runs like clockwork.
All I do now is I run theshooting line because I know how
to run a shooting line.
I don't want any accidentsthere.
So that answers your question.
(07:06):
I want them in the villagebecause I want to reduce the
deer population.
We had 237 kills last year thatwere turned in In the Hot
Springs Village In the HotSprings Village.
Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
That's a lot of deer.
Crazy amount of deer.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
And how long is that season?
The?
Speaker 4 (07:23):
season starts September 1st and it runs
through February 28th.
Okay, so the good thing aboutthat is the way the village most
hunting places work.
It's easy to get a deer thefirst day.
90% of people that really huntare going to score one the first
day because they're all stupid,yeah, but they get smart really
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fast and it gets harder andharder later and later, before
you see them just like anywhereelse but there's more pressure
in the village because there'smore people in the village um so
more hunters or people, people,I mean.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
You're saying people.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
One of my stands I walk.
I know everybody that walksdogs on several streets because
I can see them go by and it'sinteresting to watch how the
deer react to that.
They don't.
They may sit and watch till theperson goes by, and then
they'll just continue with theirdaily routine.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
It's become a pretty big deal.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
It has, you know, this urban hunting so for
someone like me who doesn't knowanything about that, what do
you have to do to be likequalified to to hunt in the
village?
Like could anybody just go upthere and buy a tag and hunt in
the village, or do you have todraw for it?
Or how does that work the way?
Speaker 4 (08:31):
it works is you have to be a homeowner or a guest of
a homeowner.
So for instance, I own a homeor a lot and I have two, two
different tags that I could usefor that, mine and a guest the
guest that comes in on the tag.
If, let's say, I bring you in,you have to go to the hunter
orientation which is on August9th, and that's to talk about
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the urban hunt, the rules.
You have to qualify, you haveto shoot and qualify.
So those are the two ways.
So if you want to get in, go tothe POA and buy a lot.
You can buy one for a couplehundred bucks probably.
Then you have to pay yourassessments every month.
But I don't know if you guyshave ever been on a really nice
lease.
It's going to cost you a lotmore to be on a lease than it is
to do that.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Oh yeah, Without a doubt.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
So you can buy a lot for like a couple hundred bucks.
I'm not an expert on it but,there's lots at the POA that are
unbuildable.
You can't build on them becausethey're on a cliff.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
So yeah, some of those, they'll be glad to give
away if you'll pay theassessments every month.
So what about say for me, if Iwent up there and went door
knocking and got permission andthe homeowner let me hunt it as
a guest, I would be able to dothat as long as I went and shot
the archery challenge orwhatever you were talking about
and the homeowner would have toattend the orientation with you,
and the village does not allowsolicitation, so you'd probably
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be arrested for doing that.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Oh, okay, you're talking about if he didn't go
that route, like if he just gotpermission from somebody and
then just went into that dude'sbackyard.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
He can't wait.
Solicitation.
Like I wouldn't be able to askthe homeowners.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
You said door-to-door .
You could ask me if you knew me.
But the thing is the personthat hunts has to have the
homeowner with them when they goto the orientation, Because we
want to verify the whole thing.
That's going to work out good.
I've got a cousin fixing tostart building a house in the
village well, there is a program.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
There is a program that we're involved with, you
know, and there is, there isprograms around the state to
allow hunters to hunt theseareas yeah um, so I mean there's
definitely an opportunity foranybody to do this that's
correct.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
There, a cherokee village does it.
I don't even know where that is, but there's about five
different sites around the statethat do it.
But the village is the biggestacreage, of course, compared to
any gated.
It's the largest gatedcommunity in the country, right.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
Now I got a question.
Y'all, obviously y'all do theshooting tests before.
That's part of the orientation,is that correct?
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Yes.
Speaker 6 (11:03):
Okay, do like you said earlieransas.
Shooters aren't the best.
Do y'all have residents thatever complain about wounded deer
coming in?
Uh, you know, laying on their?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
yeah, I just running on the property we have very few
last year.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Uh, hunters us usually in general, are very um
observant to making sure thatwe're not noticed that way.
You know orientation, which youknow, you put your placard in a
truck and don't park it rightnext to you know where people
walk or just be more cognizantof what you do.
Very few complaints abouthunters.
Uh, there's a.
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The village is full of a lot ofpeople that maybe aren't happy
in life and they'll find a wayto complain about something oh,
yeah, and we have those and ifthe complaints come in they
usually go through me becauseI'm on the board of directors.
But very little problems lastyear because we make sure they
know why we're doing this.
We're doing it to reduce motorvehicle accidents.
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And the feed, the hungryprogram on the donated deer,
which works it works.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
It does work in the last eight years.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
You're ever running to the problem of.
It's like, let's say, I shot abig buck, all right, and I have
permission on this piece hereand it goes to my island people
usually pretty good about likemy crossover just to grab the
deer, they kind of like they are.
And let me just say you can'tknock on doors to listen.
So if you had the dead deer,how would you go about that?
Speaker 4 (12:29):
let me clarify that where you can hunt in a village
is on common property or privateproperty that you own.
So common property is whatcooper set up when they
originally built the place,which is to keep areas where
they didn't build houses andthere's a lot of common property
there, um, but you're talkingabout 200 something hunters in
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there.
You got to put some work in,maybe sometimes to find where
somebody doesn't already havesomething set up and you can't
set up until august 9th.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
So it's kind of a free-for-all so everybody shows
up and like dang, there's eightother people in the spot right
now.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
As far as crossing property, you can.
If it's going on a piece ofproperty that's not with a house
on it, I don't think anybodyhas a problem with you going and
getting it and dragging it off.
But if it's laying insomebody's pool, that might be a
different story.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
You keep saying dying in the pool.
I mean I got to ask has ithappened?
Have y'all had a deer die insomebody's?
Speaker 4 (13:23):
pool.
That's what deer do whenthey're shot they go to water.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
They somebody's pool.
That's what deer do whenthey're shot.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
They go to water.
They go to water.
So let me tell you where thatcomes from the vision in my head
.
There used to be a show areality show, where these guys
had an urban hunt.
They hunted in New York State,yeah, and that's what happened
to one of the guys.
He shot it and it died in thepool.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
So swimming dude, you got.
You got a bug floating yourpool.
I think the bugs floating likeI'd be, like I can't even swim
to get it, brother.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
You're terrible, daryl, so go, go and go into
your raven that you're using now.
You know whenever you're inthis, you know your urban.
You don't want to run far youknow, do you go for, like a safe
you know double lung?
Do you try to put it rightthere in a pocket, try to clip
the heart?
I mean what?
What is your approach when itcomes to shooting these deer to
where you don't want them totravel?
Speaker 3 (14:09):
far, I'm going to spine them.
That's what you would do.
That's what you would do onaccident.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
I'm going to spine them.
So I picked an area where mymain hunting is along a power
line that runs through thevillage so I can park my truck
to put my feeder and my stand up30 yards from where my truck is
.
And when they come in, theaverage shot is under 30 yards
and with a raven.
If you can't put it within athree inch circle, you need to
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have your eyes tested.
So I go for the heart long shot, double long shot.
I just watched.
Just watched one in your roomthere where it looked like a
double lung shot on a nice buckand it took about five minutes
before he dropped.
And I don't hunt anywhere inthe village where there's hills
because you can't use afour-wheeler and I'm opposed to
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dragging a deer uphill anytime,no matter what age I was?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Oh, absolutely no, I'm 24.
I don't want to drag a deeruphill, you know so.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
So you guys realized that the deer population was out
of control, and y'all, y'allcame up with the plan to control
the deer population.
How many people in hot springsvillage that fights that?
The fight that fights yourprogram based off of animal
rights or whatnot.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
We had one.
One that's good, do they livethere still?
Yeah, she actually ran for theboard of directors.
Oh good gosh.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Of course she would.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
She had the least amount of votes Unpopular vote,
but anyway.
Yeah, we had one that wassaying common property in our
declaration is to be used foreverybody.
Anybody can use it and she saidwe were restricting her right
to use common property duringthe urban hunt.
Why is she being like that?
Well, my response to her wasyou have the right any time you
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want to put up a stand next tomine during the year.
She's in the bird watch.
I have no way to stop you.
You have the same rights I do.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
But she didn't understand the reason why you
guys are doing this.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
There's just some people you can't make everybody
happy you can't keep theconversation going with people
like that, because I always saydon't feed the bear, right,
right.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Because if you do it, just continues, it'll never
stop.
It doesn't stop.
Those people are definitelydifferent yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
So let's go back to when you're uh competition
shooting.
You know you were with hoyt fora long time shooting
competition.
What was that like travelingaround doing that?
Speaker 4 (16:34):
it was uh something that I really miss.
The uh, the camaraderie is thething, as you all know.
That's what fishing is about.
That's what going to a 3d shootis about.
It's a camaraderie when you'rehaving uh dinner with d wild and
rio wild and um levi, morganand dave cousins and you get to
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meet all these people on a levelbasis.
It's kind of a nice thing.
And if you want to get better,you hang around people that are
better.
That's the way you get betterthat's right and as far as
winning competitions, when I wasyounger, in 1989, I was in the
final, uh, the final group atthe nfa nationals outdoor, nfa
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national outdoor.
You guys are probably too youngto even know what a field round
is because it's uh, somethingthat's gone by the wayside, but
it's 28 targets, set yardage.
So if you you shoot here, it'sthe same 28 targets, maybe in a
different order.
If you go to another shoot,it's the same 28 targets from 10
feet to 80 yards.
Anyway, I shot with Frank andwe were one or two points apart
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going into the last day andFrank came up to the first bale
bail, forgot to change thesetting, shot over the top of
the bail, his first arrow.
So that's five points right offthe bat.
Now I got the lead.
I'm like I got this.
Well, frank cleaned it fromthere the next 28 targets he
never missed.
So frank pearson won the nfafield target.
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Uh, one of the best, uh, it'd belike one of the best Tiger
Woods rounds anybody ever shot.
It was just incredible.
It's held in Watkins Glen, newYork, which is very elevated,
uphill, downhill.
You might be on an 80 yardtarget using a 40 yard pin
because it's so elevated.
That messed me up pretty good.
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That's before you could get anapp to tell you all that stuff.
Now you can get an app on yourphone that will tell you what
you should set your adjustmentat.
It's kind of cheating, isn't?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
it, so you're like guesstimating in a way it's like
live scoping, you know forexample, say you're here and
your target is, say, 80 yards,but it's downhill, and you say,
like you're shooting using your40 pin, that's I guess.
I guess that would be becauseof just you know, it's got less
resistance going downhill, goingwith gravity, so it carries
further, which means youwouldn't have to actually use
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the 80 on your on your site.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
That's correct.
And also uphill is is less.
Uphill is less yardage.
You think the opposite.
Why is that see?
That the apex apex of an arrowarrow goes like this when you're
shooting uphill, it goes likethis.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
So it's a different yard it's not dropping dude,
because it doesn't work likethat that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
It doesn't make sense no, I get it.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I never even thought about that arrow, the arrow for
shooting flat ground.
It's gonna go up and it fallscome back down but if you're
shooting, uphill it instead ofgoing down.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
It should be going up , but it eventually goes down.
I mean, at some point it wouldstop going up.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
But yeah, that's crazy, it's further.
It would stay on that upfurther because it's going up.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
What's the furthest target you've shot?
When it's falling, it's stillgoing up.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Well, outdoor NFAs there's an 80, 70, 60, 50.
80, 70, 60, 50.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Four arrows so yeah, 80 yards.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
And now that I'm older I shoot Senior Olympics,
of which I've won gold in sevendifferent states for Senior
Olympics and set the 900-roundrecord.
And the 900-round is 60, 50,and 40 yards, 30 arrows each.
It's a marathon.
I mean it's really a marathon.
Don't you get tired shootingall that?
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I get really tired, especiallynow.
When I was younger it wouldn'thave bothered me so much.
But when you're a professionalarcher, it's not only that, it's
the arrows you shoot before youstart and it's the letdowns.
One letdown will be likeshooting five or six arrows.
It takes that much out of you.
I can see that.
And on, let let's say, a90-year-old round, I'll probably
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let down 10 times because thevision just didn't set up right.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
I never got to the spot, whatever it might be Right
.
So so so you shot a lot.
You know one shot about yourtattoo.
What does that tattoo mean?
Speaker 4 (20:44):
It just means catches , if you can so you shoot a lot.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I used to shoot a lot I don't shoot much anymore you
didn't know you had tattoo likethat.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I did not.
I did not know he had that dude, that's thought out.
I feel like that's that's yourmost thought out tattoo you got
that's kind of why I wanted himon the podcast.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
You know, I was like he has a tattoo.
If you can't, I like that dudeso, so, so, uh, shakley, you
shoot a lot, right?
I used to.
Yes, yeah, you don't shoot nomore.
I bow hunt.
Obviously you bow hunt, but youdon't shoot no more.
Not tournaments, how?
Speaker 4 (21:15):
come.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
There's not very many of them around here anymore, we
need to get an attack it.
When B Scott was younger, weused to shoot tournaments.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah, we won here in Florida.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
We should go to one of the total archery challenges
they have now.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
So how?
Speaker 3 (21:29):
does shooting tournaments?
How does shooting like you guysdo?
How does?
Speaker 4 (21:37):
that improve bow hunting?
Just the round of shots you'retaking.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Repetition.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Right right, it does make you a better bow hunter?
Do you think it makes you abetter bow hunter it?
Speaker 4 (21:44):
does.
I never shot much 3D.
I was a professional spotshooter when 3D first came
around.
This was back on 1980, I guessand it took over because guys at
Bowhunt had more fun shootingin 3D and it is more fun the
problem I had was back then itwas unknown distances only, and
no matter how much time I put in, how much practice, I never got
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to be able to judge distance ona professional level.
So I just never really wentthat way.
But I spot shoot and spotshooting makes you a better shot
, a better shooter, a bettertechnician on how to go through
the sequence of a shot.
Most people don't put anythought into that and you're not
going to get better unless youdo that when you say sequence,
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can you walk me through that?
Speaker 1 (22:31):
like what you mean by that.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Well, the sequence if you're doing it right and
you're on, if you're spot on,you're Scotty Shuffler, where
you can hit anything anytime andnot even think about it, it
just happens.
But when things start to gowrong, you start to lose that
edge.
If you don't know thetechniques to bring yourself
back, you're not going to getback.
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And how many of y'all ever hadtarget panic once in your life?
I?
Speaker 3 (22:59):
panic every time I call back.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
That's why I wouldn't quit, because I still have it.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I mean, I mean we all do target.
Panic is in like you're on thedeer or you're on the target and
you're just like, uh, now Isthat what you're talking?
Speaker 4 (23:10):
about, or you're on the target.
You're trying to acquire thetarget.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
And you don't have any control of when it's going
off.
It just goes off, it's not.
You're not setting up, you'reswinging into the target or
you're not being patient.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
It just seems like a lot of times when I shoot at a
deer or something.
After I shoot at a deer I'mlike, okay, did I even aim?
It happens so fast.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
That's not a good thing.
No, I don't feel like it's agood thing.
No, it's not.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
I mean, I shot a good deer this year with a bow.
Tyler Stewart shot a good onetoo.
How big was your deer this?
Speaker 5 (23:42):
167, 12 points.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Do you remember if you aimed?
Speaker 5 (23:48):
I remember not aiming for very long.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
That's the problem.
That's what I'm talking about.
So just you know, shooting 3D,shooting, this competition,
keeping yourself at that levelwill help an everyday person,
because obviously, tyler doesn'tshoot 3D, I don't shoot 3D and
me and him have something incommon.
I don't remember amon, uh, I'mlike golly.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
So it has to improve a shooter absolutely 100 and I
can tell you a story about uhshot sequence and timing.
Um, it was in.
I was in vegas and I was rightnext to levi morgan.
You've got 18 inches in Vegason the floor.
That's your entire.
So if you're a left-hander it'sreally uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
What do you mean?
18 inches?
Speaker 4 (24:34):
18 inches on the floor is your spot.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Yeah, that's where you have to stand.
Load your arrow.
18 inches, 18 inches, yes, Ithink my waist is 18.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Yeah, so yeah.
Your feet got gotta be in 18inches, your body ain't gonna go
in 18 inches in vegas you shootthree shots at a time on a line
and then you go up.
Well, I shot my first shot,levi.
I looked at levi, he wasalready off the line.
He had already I had one shot.
He was already off the line tomy three shots.
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I cycled through my next twoshots.
I come back and I shot and hewas already off the line to my
three shots.
I cycled through my next twoshots.
I come back and I sit down andI says why do you shoot so fast?
And he says what do I got towait for?
He says when it's on the dot, Ishoot it.
Well, that's a good storybecause he's the greatest 3D
shooter ever.
There's never been a better 3Dshooter than Levi.
But he struggled a couple timesin his career with target panic
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.
At one time it was so bad thathe couldn't bring it to the bale
without it going off.
He had no control over the shotand there's a sequence to get
back from that and it depends onyour brain how long it takes to
get back.
But my opinion is that if youshoot too quick, if you're
really quick to shoot, you'resetting yourself up for problems
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in the long run.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
You should be able to pull back and hold and run that
pin around that bullseye andlet it down and not ever think
about shooting it but it takes alot of shooting to do that, it?
Speaker 4 (25:58):
no, it takes the right kind of shooting to do
that discipline it's goodpractice, yeah, so what is?
Good practice for our viewersGood practice is I shoot a back
tension, release a deer hunt, no.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
I tried that once.
It didn't work out too good forme.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
It's not easy to get used to it.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
But once you get used to it, it's the easiest way to
get clear.
You shoot that he don't evenknow what back tension is Okay.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
So, back tension is on a gate and it goes off when
the angle changes.
All you do with back tension isyou tighten your shoulder up
because you're changing that arca little bit and it'll go ahead
now.
Every time you shoot your bow.
It's supposed to scare you tobe a true shot, and it does.
It does?
Speaker 3 (26:40):
It scares me.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
So one of the things I do when you're talking about
that to train somebody that'slearning how to shoot, that's
having trouble, that has thedeath finger release that y'all
probably use.
Yeah, we do use that.
Yeah, so what I do with them.
So I'm not going to coach anyof you guys, because I'll give
it away, but I say, okay, I wantyou to draw back and get set.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
We need coaches.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
They get set and I'll sneak up behind them and just
tap the trigger just to watchwhat they do.
I would hate that.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
It's scary as shit.
That's just like back tension.
That's what it does.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
That's the feeling you should have to make sure
you're not influencing the shot.
That's right, and most badshots come from when the arrow's
still in the bow.
It might not be on the string,but it's still in the bow.
It might not be on the string,but it's still in the bow and
you don't have the proper gripor you're peaking which is death
to a good shot.
It's a couple of things, butthat's the feeling you should
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have.
If you're pounding the trigger,you're influencing your left
and right, up and down, you'reinfluencing everything.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
It makes sense.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
That's what I was saying.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
You said you shoot like yeah, you're influencing
everything it makes sense like,yeah, punching the trigger,
you're just hard to be accurate.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Yeah, yeah, I had my thing.
There was a time where I waslike when I was drawback, like
when I would get set up, um,like my trigger, I guess, wasn't
touchy enough, you know, orhairy enough, whatever, whatever
term you would use for that andlike when I touched the trigger
, I was so bad about letting alllike the bow would almost jerk
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out of my hand if it didn't gooff when I thought it was going
to go off.
So like you know what I'msaying, so like your drawback.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Ain't nothing worse than that, dude.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
And then you end up hitting the trigger and your
arrow goes wherever it's.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Tyler, have you done that on a deer?
That's not a matthews, that isa matthews bro.
I've never had that bro, neverdone it on a deer.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Well, you guys shoot animals it worries me because
I've done that before.
It worries me when I'm on adeer, so I feel like I'm like
pulling extra hard overextendingit.
Just making sure I don't dothat, because I've done that
before.
I know exactly what you'retalking about.
Yeah, that's called targetpanic, yeah it is target panic.
I'm ready for our shootingcompetition I don't feel like
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I'm a bad shot at all.
I mean not shockingly, You'renot a bad shot.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
It's just like when you get up in the moment when a
deer walks out, you're like picka spot, pick a spot and shit,
it all blends together and thenyou put every pin on the deer.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Yeah, I was like there's no way I can miss
because everything is on thedeer I'm shooting.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
When I first started shooting.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Speaking of that when I first started shooting
tournaments that happened to meand I'm real loose in my hand
and the bow came back really wowand a 3d tournament I bet that
was about.
Yeah, I bet you for the wholerest of the tournament.
You were overextended.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
I don't remember I bet you tried to get that tattoo
off your arm then it was beforetattooing Catches his.
I didn't get tattooed until Iwas three years old.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
So speaking of early days, early day target shooting.
Did you start out on a compoundbow?
Speaker 4 (29:42):
or did you have a old , so compound bows came around.
You look good for 70s, early 70s, early 70s.
The first year I killed at 16was with a recurve ben pearson
recurve um compound bows cameabout to me first time.
We had a uh indoor shootingrange club and we're all in
there with our c2 wings and youknow shooting our targets.
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You know like like FingersOlympics, and this guy comes in
with this thing.
It looked like something madein a machine shop.
It had all these bracketshanging all over it.
It had wheels all over it.
It was one of the first Allensthat ever came out.
I mean this was like two of 100.
I mean it was that new and wewere just having a laugh about
look how stupid you look withthat bow.
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And he took it and shot it andthe noise was incredibly loud
Like a Hoyt.
But it was 100 feet per second,faster than anything we've ever
seen, and it probably wasn't but190 feet a second.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Oh man.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
But I knew at that time they had something and one
of the guys that we shot withwas a mechanic and he went home
and said we don't need bracketson the end, we can make it so
it's inside the limb, and he wasthe guy that got the patent for
having the first one that wasinside the limb.
Of course, anybody ever shootone with a big bracket on the
end like a Darton NSL-50?
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They're loud, they were slowcompared to ones today, but
that's the first time I saw acompound.
And as far as graduating up tobeing a competition shooter, it
started with an instinctive shoton a deer that didn't go well
and I missed or wounded one orthe other and I go, man, I can't
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do that.
I got to get better at this, soI put a pin on it and then,
after I put a pin on it, Iprobably did the same thing
again.
And because you start shootinga little farther out, the next
thing you know, I got a releasein my hand.
The next thing you know, I gotmagnification and a stabilizer
because I think it's going tomake me better.
None of that makes you betterand I'll tell you equipment.
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Dave Cousins' story.
Most of you are too old to knowwho Dave Cousins was, but he
was one of the best shooters inthe world back in the 80s.
He was a great guy and I waswith a seminar with him and
somebody brought up the fact.
The only reason why you guysare so good is you get all that
free equipment and you havebetter stuff than we do, and
that's why you're a bettershooter.
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So Dave took this guy's bow thatarrows were coming out of it
about sideways and he shot fivearrows with that bow inside of a
three inch group.
Never shot it was.
I mean, it was not tuned,arrows were going down off the
bow bed and he gave it back tothe guy and he said it's not the
equipment, it's the guyshooting the bow.
That's right.
So that's a good point.
Now this stuff does help you.
Paper tuning by far is the mostimportant thing, even though
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most shooters can't paper tunetheir own bow because their shot
sequence isn't good enough toreally know what the arrow is
supposed to do coming out of thebow.
I've had years where guys, Ican't get a good tear, I'll take
it, shoot it perfect tear everytime.
And it's the difference that myshot sequence is not coming off
sideways or up and down, sopaper tuning has to be done by
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somebody that has a good shotsequence.
I got you that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Perfect sense.
It does make sense.
I probably got bad shot.
Sequence on Will and the Bet.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Well, I think we all do, because we don't shoot.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
I'd be Will and the Bet Mine's probably not that
great.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Well, shoot, yeah, I mean I'd be willing to bet that
mine's probably not that great.
Well, another thing that thatmay shock everybody is that a
tournament archer for the mostpart there's some levi's that go
out there and a minute theyacquire the, the target, the
arrow's gone.
A shooter like me, when Iacquire the bullseye let's say a
three inch bullseye at 20 yardsI will float that pin in that
bullseye and it runs back andwill float that pin in that
bullseye and it runs back andforth across the X-ring.
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I'm in the center but it'srunning back and forth across
the X-ring and then I'll startthe shot sequence, not waiting
for it to get to the center,because it's always going back
to the middle.
You're always going back to themiddle, so if it's out a little
bit when it happens to go off,you're going to have more shots
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in the middle than you are out.
So in other words, I don'tshoot.
It say okay, let's shoot.
I acquire the target inside,get it inside the target and
then start.
Just back, tension, justtightening my back up.
It changes the angle of thatrelease.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
I have no idea when it's going to go off, I got.
I got something for you.
Who's better hunter?
A bow hunter or a gun hunter?
Speaker 4 (34:16):
I believe I never killed a deer with a gun until I
was 35 years old and I was on alease and they had extra tags.
So I said, okay, I'll go killone with a gun.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
I didn't care for it yeah, do you believe that a bow
hunter has better basic uhprocedures in killing an animal
than a gun hunter?
Speaker 4 (34:37):
I don't know the, I don't know the gun hunter, but I
think, let me put it this, letme turn it around and put it
this way bow hunting makes you abetter hunter if you didn't
ever hunt with a bow and you'rea gun hunter.
There's a lot of things thatare off the table that you don't
know about.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
I believe, right, I believe that a bow hunter, I
believe a bow hunter is a betterhunter.
The reason why I believe thatis because you practice way more
with a bow than you do a gun.
I think a lot of gun hunters, alot of hunters, will take a gun
for granted.
You see, you see hair andcrosshairs, you pull the trigger
.
You know I'm personally abetter with a bow than I am with
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a gun.
Now, if you, if you, if you putme on a range I can shoot, and
david and daniel seen us shootsix, seven hundred yards and you
know we shoot one in the way.
We can dial up and do all thatfancy stuff out to a thousand
yards.
We can shoot good, we shoottargets good, but if you put in
there, you know you putsomething living, an animal out
there.
I think a bow hunter canprocess information better and
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make the better kill shot.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
And I agree with that , because now, because of injury
, I hunt with a crossbow, yeah,and I don't get the heartbeats
and the chills and all of thatlike I do with with a bow
because I know I have to.
Once I see it with a raven andhe's in the crosshairs at 30
yards, the hunt's over.
Yeah, with a bow.
I still got a lot to do yeah,everything has to go right.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
I just think a bow hunter, focus about everything
well, about the draw.
Even even though a normalperson, you put a bow in their
hand, they're going to practiceway more than a gun.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Well, even beyond that, think about this.
All right, say, you've got abow hunter here that's been bow
hunting his whole life.
He's good at getting inposition to be able to be
successful bow hunting.
You.
Put a gun in his hand.
I would be willing to bet he cankill a deer you know what I'm
saying I'd be willing to bet hehas a better chance than if you
took a gun.
Hunter, never bow hunted.
And tell that hunter to go.
Not only get in a position toshoot a deer with a bow, yeah,
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but also make it happen.
Not get busted when he'sdrawing, but and make a good
shot also a bow hunter.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
I mean, we all know we all bow hunt.
Right, we all bow hunt here andbut but when you're bow hunting
, we, when you go out to a pieceof property, you have to get
closer to the animal.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
You've got to make a better shot.
Everything is more serious.
You can't get busted either.
Yes, and I think it's a lotharder to kill an animal with a
bow, and I think the whole hunt,from the start to finish, is
more in detail.
Don't you agree, shockley?
I do.
I mean, you know, I used to goto these old deer camps.
Old Grandpa would go out thereand he'd get an old pie plate
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out there.
You know 25 yards.
He'd get that pie plate.
He says, oh, I'm good, I'm goodfor 250 yards.
Shoot, you don't know what 250yards look like.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Yeah, but you go out there with a bow and you're
trying to cut arrows.
You know what I'm saying.
So I mean the attention todetail is what I'm trying to say
.
The bow hunter is like, he'squiet, he gets in his tree, he's
looking at everything aroundhim, he's playing the wind.
I mean something about a bowturns you into a real hunter
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Because it takes more to do it.
It takes more to do it.
You have to pay attention towhat you're doing and you know,
I just think a bow hunter is abetter hunter.
I agree, it gets your like hesaid your shakes and your blood
pumping way more Close andpersonal.
I think the bow does a lot morefor an individual when it comes
to hunting an animal.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
You'll be humbled.
Quick bow hunting.
Oh yeah, that's correct.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Or you'll be busted.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Yeah, you don't play the wind right, dude.
You won't even see the deer.
Much less get an opportunity onone, and you know how that is,
and I think a bow hunter is moreof a disciplined hunter, don't
you think so?
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
That is more of a disciplined person.
No matter what it is, hedoesn't laugh.
I think somebody who picks abow up is a very disciplined
person.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
I mean I feel like gun hunting is just like it
doesn't matter what you do,you're going to kill one.
There's no thought Like, if I'mgoing gun hunting, I'm like
whatever, just give me easy,I'll be done in about two hours.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
The only time gun hunting gets me going is when a
kid's shooting.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Yeah, now that will get me going.
Yeah, or you're hunting a bigbuck.
You know, sometimes you see abig buck.
I mean I'm sure tyler's sayinghe hunts in kansas, he hunts all
these big bucks all the timeyou know, of course he does.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
You know, we're always hunting these 120s.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
He's hunting 150s, 170s up there, you know, but
anyways are you jealous of himI'm super jealous well, if you
would have got drawn for a tagthis year.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
I didn't get drawn for a tag, I didn't either.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
It's crazy, gray have got drawn for a tag.
This year I didn't get drawnfor a tag.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
I didn't either it's crazy, grayson got drawn, that's
crazy.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
Grayson got drawn.
Wow, cam got drawn too, but hiscard declined, so they almost
didn't let him have his.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
That's so funny.
That's so funny.
But, man, that's awesome to getyou up here.
I think the Wigan Havoc crewand Harry the crew has signed up
to do some urban hunting thisyear with Otis.
I'm excited about it.
Yeah, we are too.
We're going to get Shockley upthere in the tree and see what
we can do.
We still got that competition.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Remember what competition.
What are you talking about?
The one from the group chatgoing to the 3D Archery Range?
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Oh God, dude, I'm down, I'm in.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
We have so many competitions man, we have so
many competitions I don'tremember, it was in the group
chat everything we do is acompetition.
Yeah, I'm ready dude, I can'tremember what the bet was, but
it's some while what was it?
Speaker 1 (39:53):
what was the last matthews?
You, you, bowhunter, because Igotta have a phase four.
He has a phase four, the liftsthe new one, but it's having a
lot of new ones the limbscracking a lot, that's right,
I'm just telling you, that's,that is a proven fact.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Matthew's putting a post up themselves about it.
We don't even know what's wrongwith Hoyt, because nobody here
shoots a Hoyt.
That's the thing, so don't evenbring that up.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
The greatest is always quiet.
I'm just saying Quiet.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Quiet.
Yeah, dude, I heard you shoot.
It sounded like you had a text.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
You were shooting in the garage over there at the
house.
It's insulated and it wasknocking off everything.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Yeah, that's that power, that's that power.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
You were shooting and my wrist started vibrating.
My wife was in the kitchenbecause she does limbs break.
No, that's just a Hoyt shooting.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Carbon fiber right there.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
But your hands won't get cold, but your hands won't
get cold.
That is nice about the carbonfiber though that is nice carbon
fiber, it doesn't get cold.
I guess that's a selling point.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
I tell you, Matthews, the Target boy had TRX.
It took 15 minutes to papertune it to get it to shoot.
Perfect.
The Matthews did, the Matthewsdid.
I've never had a Hoyt that Icould paper tune to zero Boom.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
We're talking about years.
That's some factual stuff.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
I bet a $100.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Bill D Darryl's never paper-tuned.
Speaker 5 (41:11):
I do every time.
Oh, you know that I take aserious shot at this the whole
way to the target.
My boat is so dialed in.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
You'll never see me miss a target, darryl, I've
never seen you kill a deer.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
But you've never seen me miss a target.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
That is a factual statement.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
You've never seen Mr Target.
That is a factual statement.
You've never seen Mr Target.
All right, well, we'll get togo to the target range.
Maybe you can coach us up thereyou go.
I feel like I need some help.
I bet I can pull my bow.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
My bow is in a sickest suitcase, that's been
thrown around.
I bet I can pull it out rightnow and shoot it.
Speaker 5 (41:41):
I don't even have a case.
I shot my bow the other day andit was still on.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
This is my suitcase.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
I had to run over to the truck and still be on.
Hey, you know what I think weneed to pay you to help him.
How much was that going to costus?
Speaker 1 (41:56):
A lot.
Listen, listen, deer.
Just see my bow and just fallover dead.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
So one other odd experience that I had about
shooting techniques I lived inColorado at the time and had my
bow.
It was set up perfect, man, Iwas all ready for the Senior
Olympic National Games down inHouston.
I get down to Houston for thepractice round and the first
shot I made was atwo-and-a-half-foot low at 60
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yards, and it wasn't.
I transported it by vehicle.
It didn't go anything.
It's the difference inelevation, yep, and I had no
clue and I started talking toguys oh yeah, we'd have to
figure out that all the time ifwe go hunt colorado.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
So so the elevation there's thinner, right there's
thinner.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
I would make sure you , make sure it'll drop two and a
half feet, I mean at 60 yards Imean it?
Speaker 3 (42:44):
was incredible we experienced the same thing with
muzzleloaders.
Remember we went elk hunting inColorado and I hit the dirt at
the target.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
The air affects everything.
Your motors.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
And the guy goes that's a miss.
I was like holy shit, that'snot a miss.
I've been doing this for twoweeks straight.
There's no way it's a miss.
It was a miss.
We had adjust gesture size,remember.
Mm-hmm, it was crazy.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
It was a bad deal.
Always we had open-site muzzleletters.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Always shoot your equipment when you go traveling.
I know somebody who didn't missthat target.
That's a good tip.
Speaker 4 (43:14):
Well, especially when you're getting ready for a
tournament.
One shot, you've got 15 minutesto get it tuned up.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
I, we're gonna smoke your ass on lake court next week
.
I'm telling you right now, dudeyou know, that's going down.
You know, I want to tell y'allsomething.
You know, my bow's black, yourbow is black.
What's that to do?
Anything to do?
Because you know you see somebig, scary black guy walk by,
you lock your car doors.
Yeah, so that way, when theysee my deer comes out, he just
automatically just lays down anddies.
I do know one thing I haven'tseen that in person hold on hold
on.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
I do know thing advantage of being black when
you're hunting what's that?
You hunted our spot last year.
In our camera Ashley goes.
Is Daryl in the stand?
I said yeah, baby, he's in thestand.
I said he had to walk right bythe camera.
I said, well, it's dark.
Speaker 6 (44:00):
You know what I mean, pick him up.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
He got in the tree.
Listen here.
Speaker 5 (44:08):
He got in the tree.
You still couldn't see him, didthe camera?
Speaker 3 (44:10):
even take a picture of him.
The camera almost missed him.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
You're saying he didn't read you or something.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
She goes.
That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
It is amazing.
That's like duck hunting.
Everybody's sitting there inface paint and putting their
mask on and all that.
And they're looking at me andI'm like y'all, keep y'all heads
down.
I'm staring at them the wholetime.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
I'm watching this whole show when it goes down.
If the ducks flare say, daryl,quit smiling.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Quit smiling, Daryl.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
We have a good time, man.
We have a good time, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
And definitely thanks for making the trip.
It was great.
I mean learning about shootingbows.
I do need to get my bow set upright.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
I think it's almost that time.
Start bow hunting you knowthere's it really is.
Yeah, it's really exciting.
Speaker 4 (44:48):
The problem with june the problem with a lot of the
local shops everywhere in thecountry is the bow mechanic they
have there today.
It may be different from theguy they hire to do it tomorrow
yeah, I know so it's better tolearn how to do that stuff
yourself, because that way.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
You know, it's just why the society is nowadays.
You know just like it's hard.
You're like like you're a wayyou know it's still there.
That's just the way the societyis nowadays.
You know it's hard, like you'rea legend.
You're the old guys that knoweverything.
It's pretty cool to talk tosomebody that's as old as you
are and has been in the business.
You know it's cool.
Speaker 4 (45:17):
For the young guys anyways, the young guys, people
like Daryl.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
He needs to look up to you.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
The only time I can be where everybody's not younger
than me is if I go be insidethe gate.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
I'm starting to feel like I'm the old guy at the
table too.
It's coming around.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Age is something.
Always going Well, guys.
I think that wraps it up.
Thanks for coming.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
I appreciate you guys , I appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
I'm looking forward to us doing some urban hunting
this year.
Speaker 4 (45:43):
It's going to be big, just don't get anywhere near
where I put my deer stand.
That's right.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
Just drop a pin, we'll be there.
Anyways, the ABA event comingup.
A lot of good stuff.
Don't forget to check out thegear shop.
A lot of new items.
Summer's here.
We got stuff for the sandbarsand whatnot.
Guys, check it all out Beforewe get out of here.
Make sure you like subscribe,hit the bell for notifications
and don't forget, hey, don'tforget.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
We got Havoc bikinis, we do so get them out of here.
Hey, you guys, get the Havocbows, get your ladies bikinis.
We want to see it, don't?
Speaker 1 (46:13):
miss out.
Stay tuned, check it out.
It's five o'clock and you're off the clock with B
Scott Now today we have as ourguest Mark Quinton, who is an
archery expert.
He's old school, he's beendoing it a long time.
Got part of the Riggingham crewwith us today.
We're going to ask himquestions.
He's going to teach us he doesa lot of coaching kind of the
proper way to shoot.
So he's going to walk usthrough that and tell us about
his experience and you knowurban hunting.
So, guys, before we get into it, though, make sure you leave a
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
My God man, here we go.
It's always a race car.
That's why I'm with the Hoyt,because everybody on the dark
side Listen, because everybodydoubts Hoyt, I'm team, hoyt I
don't think everybody doubtsHoyt.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
It's a preference man , I know it's a preference.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I've shot Matthews my whole life and I do
exceptionally well with it.
I don't even want to change.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I mean I could mess with any of them.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
I mean you killed seven spikes with it last year.
I cut, cut.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
That's not true guys.
Ask Tim if he's going to shoota Hoyt Nope.
Speaker 6 (01:04):
Probably not yeah, probably not.
That's my newest tattoo.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Obviously you're set up with Matthews.
That's correct, All right.
What led you into building thatwith Matthews?
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Well, I had shot for Hoyt for 25 years, represented
Hoyt and I had a bad shoulderinjury that took a long time to
get better and turned in mycontract so that I'm not
shooting anymore.
All of us, you know thatdoesn't last very long.
You get the itch again.
I started to do some strengthtraining.
(01:38):
It's hard when you're 70.
They bring everything back.
But I got back where I thoughtI might be able to shoot and I
made a phone call to Levi Morgan, who I've known for years, and
Levi said I think I gotsomething around here, I'll set
you up.
So not only did he set me up,but he sent me about $5,000
worth of brand new equipment,quad rests, all the sights and
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everything, brand new case and acontract.
And he said that way, there youknow, it's kind of like how
they retire somebody from theyankees.
Yeah, you know, they get themset back up again and I, I
cycled a lot of arrows and wonus, uh, the state, uh olympic,
senior olympics with it.
Not scores that I shot before,but enough to beat anybody in
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arkansas.
Most arkansas shooters aren'tthat good.
I found out so really, wow, soshockingly told me he was an
arkansas shooter.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I knew he wouldn't give a shot anybody in Arkansas.
Most Arkansas shooters aren'tthat good I found out Really.
So Shockley told me he was anArkansas shooter.
I knew he wasn't that good of ashot.
You're talking about twodifferent levels of shooting.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
I've been there.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I know what they do.
It's so crazy.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
He has the good enough shooting skills, so do
you also bow hunt.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
I do bow hunt and about arrows.
I sat down one afternoonbecause I was bored and decided
to find out how many arrowsmaybe I've cycled through my
shoulders Over a million.
So when you start doing thatyou're like well, no wonder why
I'm having shoulder problems.
But I also bow hunt.
The days of running from treeto tree and climbing up a tree,
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those days are gone.
I don't trust my body enough todo that, but I still hunt the
urban hunt in the village.
It's enough for me.
The first year I donate everyyear for the urban hunt, second
one for myself for meat, andthen I buck hunt.
After that I look forwhatever's big.
If I get one on camera.
I try to get him when he's notcoming out at 1.30 in the
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morning, which in the villageusually is the way it runs.
But yeah, I do bull hunt.
I bull hunted my whole life inall different states.
Never paid to hunt, except the$75 to be in the urban hunt,
right.
So you really like that urbanhunting stuff.
For me it's.
It's.
For me it's easy.
I mean I can walk to my standwhere one of my stands is.
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Uh, it's good because you'redonating it, um, you can find
places in the village that mightnot be, uh, next to somebody's
house.
You know it has to be 50 yardsaway, but that's too close for
me.
I don't want to know what timea guy um turns his lights on or
what channel he's watching onhis tv.
I try to find a place that'stoo close for me.
I don't want to know what timea guy um turns his lights on or
what channel he's watching onhis tv.
I try to find a place that's alittle more private, I
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understand, and there's areasthere to do that.
Is there big bucks in areaslike there?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
is big bucks in there .
What's your biggest buck you'vekilled in a situation like that
?
Speaker 4 (04:18):
I'm a meat hunter, so I never counted a tine in my
life, and I've never gotten amonster deer.
I've hunted them.
I've seen them over the years.
I can.
I could tell you 20 storiesabout big bucks that were were
look like they were accessiblefrom where I was standing.
You just never got the shot off.
So I'm I've never killed areally big buck.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
That I still got time right oh yeah, that's right,
it's never over.
It can be the first time in thehunt this year.
You.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
I mean it seems to me .
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I don't know you went to Matthews, so I don't know.
I'm shooting a raven right now.
Oh okay, you'll get it.
A raven is bad, yes.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
I figure I've earned it.
Yeah, you earned it.
I've had a lot of years whereI've missed or maybe not made
the greatest shot with a raventhat just doesn't seem like it's
ever going to happen you canstretch it further and further,
and further.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
So fast, man.
I mean, it's a game changerreally.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
I've gotten uh 15, I think it's a number in the
village with that raven and I'veseen every one of them drop so
it's just a lethal uh, lethalmachine.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
What broadhead are you shooting on that raven
that's a swat.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
No, you're all going.
What's that?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
it's it's.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
It's uh, uh um, mechanical that guys that are
veterans make, and I picked itup one time eight years ago and
haven't used any.
Haven't really any problem, soyou stick with what works.
Who sells those?
It's swat.
As you know, swat is broadheadsyeah, right from them, yeah.
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I got a question for you.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
So you know, you see, it's kind of controversial.
You see a lot of people thatare kind of like against
crossbows versus bows.
But, like in your situation,you know, it's not ideal for you
to pull back a compound anymore.
So do you think that theyshould have like some kind of on
people that can use crossbowsversus a?
Speaker 4 (06:02):
regular bow.
That would depend on the deerpopulation.
I mean, take the urban hunt,for instance.
The whole purpose of that is toreduce the deer population so
there's less motor vehicleaccidents with deer, and it's
been done.
We've shown great numbers.
The numbers of deer hit by carhas gone way down over the past
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eight years, and that's reallywhat we're looking for.
When I say we, I'm on the boardof directors of Hot Springs
Village, so I'm inside of howeverything works.
I also was the one thatorganized to make the urban hunt
come internally.
It was run by ArkansasBowhunters Association and I was
sitting with a bunch of guysthat were part of that and I
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said why don't we run itourselves?
They go.
We don't have anybody thatknows enough about archery to do
that.
Well, there goes a lot of mytime because we set it up and
now it runs like clockwork.
All I do now is I run theshooting line because I know how
to run a shooting line.
I don't want any accidentsthere.
So that answers your question.
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I want them in the villagebecause I want to reduce the
deer population.
We had 237 kills last year thatwere turned in In the Hot
Springs Village In the HotSprings Village.
Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
That's a lot of deer.
Crazy amount of deer.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
And how long is that season?
The?
Speaker 4 (07:23):
season starts September 1st and it runs
through February 28th.
Okay, so the good thing aboutthat is the way the village most
hunting places work.
It's easy to get a deer thefirst day.
90% of people that really huntare going to score one the first
day because they're all stupid,yeah, but they get smart really
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fast and it gets harder andharder later and later, before
you see them just like anywhereelse but there's more pressure
in the village because there'smore people in the village um so
more hunters or people, people,I mean.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
You're saying people.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
One of my stands I walk.
I know everybody that walksdogs on several streets because
I can see them go by and it'sinteresting to watch how the
deer react to that.
They don't.
They may sit and watch till theperson goes by, and then
they'll just continue with theirdaily routine.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
It's become a pretty big deal.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
It has, you know, this urban hunting so for
someone like me who doesn't knowanything about that, what do
you have to do to be likequalified to to hunt in the
village?
Like could anybody just go upthere and buy a tag and hunt in
the village, or do you have todraw for it?
Or how does that work the way?
Speaker 4 (08:31):
it works is you have to be a homeowner or a guest of
a homeowner.
So for instance, I own a homeor a lot and I have two, two
different tags that I could usefor that, mine and a guest the
guest that comes in on the tag.
If, let's say, I bring you in,you have to go to the hunter
orientation which is on August9th, and that's to talk about
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the urban hunt, the rules.
You have to qualify, you haveto shoot and qualify.
So those are the two ways.
So if you want to get in, go tothe POA and buy a lot.
You can buy one for a couplehundred bucks probably.
Then you have to pay yourassessments every month.
But I don't know if you guyshave ever been on a really nice
lease.
It's going to cost you a lotmore to be on a lease than it is
to do that.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Oh yeah, Without a doubt.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
So you can buy a lot for like a couple hundred bucks.
I'm not an expert on it but,there's lots at the POA that are
unbuildable.
You can't build on them becausethey're on a cliff.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
So yeah, some of those, they'll be glad to give
away if you'll pay theassessments every month.
So what about say for me, if Iwent up there and went door
knocking and got permission andthe homeowner let me hunt it as
a guest, I would be able to dothat as long as I went and shot
the archery challenge orwhatever you were talking about
and the homeowner would have toattend the orientation with you,
and the village does not allowsolicitation, so you'd probably
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be arrested for doing that.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Oh, okay, you're talking about if he didn't go
that route, like if he just gotpermission from somebody and
then just went into that dude'sbackyard.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
He can't wait.
Solicitation.
Like I wouldn't be able to askthe homeowners.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
You said door-to-door .
You could ask me if you knew me.
But the thing is the personthat hunts has to have the
homeowner with them when they goto the orientation, Because we
want to verify the whole thing.
That's going to work out good.
I've got a cousin fixing tostart building a house in the
village well, there is a program.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
There is a program that we're involved with, you
know, and there is, there isprograms around the state to
allow hunters to hunt theseareas yeah um, so I mean there's
definitely an opportunity foranybody to do this that's
correct.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
There, a cherokee village does it.
I don't even know where that is, but there's about five
different sites around the statethat do it.
But the village is the biggestacreage, of course, compared to
any gated.
It's the largest gatedcommunity in the country, right.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
Now I got a question.
Y'all, obviously y'all do theshooting tests before.
That's part of the orientation,is that correct?
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Yes.
Speaker 6 (11:03):
Okay, do like you said earlieransas.
Shooters aren't the best.
Do y'all have residents thatever complain about wounded deer
coming in?
Uh, you know, laying on their?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
yeah, I just running on the property we have very few
last year.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Uh, hunters us usually in general, are very um
observant to making sure thatwe're not noticed that way.
You know orientation, which youknow, you put your placard in a
truck and don't park it rightnext to you know where people
walk or just be more cognizantof what you do.
Very few complaints abouthunters.
Uh, there's a.
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The village is full of a lot ofpeople that maybe aren't happy
in life and they'll find a wayto complain about something oh,
yeah, and we have those and ifthe complaints come in they
usually go through me becauseI'm on the board of directors.
But very little problems lastyear because we make sure they
know why we're doing this.
We're doing it to reduce motorvehicle accidents.
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And the feed, the hungryprogram on the donated deer,
which works it works.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
It does work in the last eight years.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
You're ever running to the problem of.
It's like, let's say, I shot abig buck, all right, and I have
permission on this piece hereand it goes to my island people
usually pretty good about likemy crossover just to grab the
deer, they kind of like they are.
And let me just say you can'tknock on doors to listen.
So if you had the dead deer,how would you go about that?
Speaker 4 (12:29):
let me clarify that where you can hunt in a village
is on common property or privateproperty that you own.
So common property is whatcooper set up when they
originally built the place,which is to keep areas where
they didn't build houses andthere's a lot of common property
there, um, but you're talkingabout 200 something hunters in
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there.
You got to put some work in,maybe sometimes to find where
somebody doesn't already havesomething set up and you can't
set up until august 9th.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
So it's kind of a free-for-all so everybody shows
up and like dang, there's eightother people in the spot right
now.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
As far as crossing property, you can.
If it's going on a piece ofproperty that's not with a house
on it, I don't think anybodyhas a problem with you going and
getting it and dragging it off.
But if it's laying insomebody's pool, that might be a
different story.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
You keep saying dying in the pool.
I mean I got to ask has ithappened?
Have y'all had a deer die insomebody's?
Speaker 4 (13:23):
pool.
That's what deer do whenthey're shot they go to water.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
They somebody's pool.
That's what deer do whenthey're shot.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
They go to water.
They go to water.
So let me tell you where thatcomes from the vision in my head
.
There used to be a show areality show, where these guys
had an urban hunt.
They hunted in New York State,yeah, and that's what happened
to one of the guys.
He shot it and it died in thepool.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
So swimming dude, you got.
You got a bug floating yourpool.
I think the bugs floating likeI'd be, like I can't even swim
to get it, brother.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
You're terrible, daryl, so go, go and go into
your raven that you're using now.
You know whenever you're inthis, you know your urban.
You don't want to run far youknow, do you go for, like a safe
you know double lung?
Do you try to put it rightthere in a pocket, try to clip
the heart?
I mean what?
What is your approach when itcomes to shooting these deer to
where you don't want them totravel?
Speaker 3 (14:09):
far, I'm going to spine them.
That's what you would do.
That's what you would do onaccident.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
I'm going to spine them.
So I picked an area where mymain hunting is along a power
line that runs through thevillage so I can park my truck
to put my feeder and my stand up30 yards from where my truck is
.
And when they come in, theaverage shot is under 30 yards
and with a raven.
If you can't put it within athree inch circle, you need to
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have your eyes tested.
So I go for the heart long shot, double long shot.
I just watched.
Just watched one in your roomthere where it looked like a
double lung shot on a nice buckand it took about five minutes
before he dropped.
And I don't hunt anywhere inthe village where there's hills
because you can't use afour-wheeler and I'm opposed to
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dragging a deer uphill anytime,no matter what age I was?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Oh, absolutely no, I'm 24.
I don't want to drag a deeruphill, you know so.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
So you guys realized that the deer population was out
of control, and y'all, y'allcame up with the plan to control
the deer population.
How many people in hot springsvillage that fights that?
The fight that fights yourprogram based off of animal
rights or whatnot.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
We had one.
One that's good, do they livethere still?
Yeah, she actually ran for theboard of directors.
Oh good gosh.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Of course she would.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
She had the least amount of votes Unpopular vote,
but anyway.
Yeah, we had one that wassaying common property in our
declaration is to be used foreverybody.
Anybody can use it and she saidwe were restricting her right
to use common property duringthe urban hunt.
Why is she being like that?
Well, my response to her wasyou have the right any time you
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want to put up a stand next tomine during the year.
She's in the bird watch.
I have no way to stop you.
You have the same rights I do.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
But she didn't understand the reason why you
guys are doing this.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
There's just some people you can't make everybody
happy you can't keep theconversation going with people
like that, because I always saydon't feed the bear, right,
right.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Because if you do it, just continues, it'll never
stop.
It doesn't stop.
Those people are definitelydifferent yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
So let's go back to when you're uh competition
shooting.
You know you were with hoyt fora long time shooting
competition.
What was that like travelingaround doing that?
Speaker 4 (16:34):
it was uh something that I really miss.
The uh, the camaraderie is thething, as you all know.
That's what fishing is about.
That's what going to a 3d shootis about.
It's a camaraderie when you'rehaving uh dinner with d wild and
rio wild and um levi, morganand dave cousins and you get to
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meet all these people on a levelbasis.
It's kind of a nice thing.
And if you want to get better,you hang around people that are
better.
That's the way you get betterthat's right and as far as
winning competitions, when I wasyounger, in 1989, I was in the
final, uh, the final group atthe nfa nationals outdoor, nfa
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national outdoor.
You guys are probably too youngto even know what a field round
is because it's uh, somethingthat's gone by the wayside, but
it's 28 targets, set yardage.
So if you you shoot here, it'sthe same 28 targets, maybe in a
different order.
If you go to another shoot,it's the same 28 targets from 10
feet to 80 yards.
Anyway, I shot with Frank andwe were one or two points apart
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going into the last day andFrank came up to the first bale
bail, forgot to change thesetting, shot over the top of
the bail, his first arrow.
So that's five points right offthe bat.
Now I got the lead.
I'm like I got this.
Well, frank cleaned it fromthere the next 28 targets he
never missed.
So frank pearson won the nfafield target.
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Uh, one of the best, uh, it'd belike one of the best Tiger
Woods rounds anybody ever shot.
It was just incredible.
It's held in Watkins Glen, newYork, which is very elevated,
uphill, downhill.
You might be on an 80 yardtarget using a 40 yard pin
because it's so elevated.
That messed me up pretty good.
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That's before you could get anapp to tell you all that stuff.
Now you can get an app on yourphone that will tell you what
you should set your adjustmentat.
It's kind of cheating, isn't?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
it, so you're like guesstimating in a way it's like
live scoping, you know forexample, say you're here and
your target is, say, 80 yards,but it's downhill, and you say,
like you're shooting using your40 pin, that's I guess.
I guess that would be becauseof just you know, it's got less
resistance going downhill, goingwith gravity, so it carries
further, which means youwouldn't have to actually use
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the 80 on your on your site.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
That's correct.
And also uphill is is less.
Uphill is less yardage.
You think the opposite.
Why is that see?
That the apex apex of an arrowarrow goes like this when you're
shooting uphill, it goes likethis.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
So it's a different yard it's not dropping dude,
because it doesn't work likethat that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
It doesn't make sense no, I get it.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I never even thought about that arrow, the arrow for
shooting flat ground.
It's gonna go up and it fallscome back down but if you're
shooting, uphill it instead ofgoing down.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
It should be going up , but it eventually goes down.
I mean, at some point it wouldstop going up.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
But yeah, that's crazy, it's further.
It would stay on that upfurther because it's going up.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
What's the furthest target you've shot?
When it's falling, it's stillgoing up.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Well, outdoor NFAs there's an 80, 70, 60, 50.
80, 70, 60, 50.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Four arrows so yeah, 80 yards.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
And now that I'm older I shoot Senior Olympics,
of which I've won gold in sevendifferent states for Senior
Olympics and set the 900-roundrecord.
And the 900-round is 60, 50,and 40 yards, 30 arrows each.
It's a marathon.
I mean it's really a marathon.
Don't you get tired shootingall that?
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I get really tired, especiallynow.
When I was younger it wouldn'thave bothered me so much.
But when you're a professionalarcher, it's not only that, it's
the arrows you shoot before youstart and it's the letdowns.
One letdown will be likeshooting five or six arrows.
It takes that much out of you.
I can see that.
And on, let let's say, a90-year-old round, I'll probably
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let down 10 times because thevision just didn't set up right.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
I never got to the spot, whatever it might be Right
.
So so so you shot a lot.
You know one shot about yourtattoo.
What does that tattoo mean?
Speaker 4 (20:44):
It just means catches , if you can so you shoot a lot.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I used to shoot a lot I don't shoot much anymore you
didn't know you had tattoo likethat.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I did not.
I did not know he had that dude, that's thought out.
I feel like that's that's yourmost thought out tattoo you got
that's kind of why I wanted himon the podcast.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
You know, I was like he has a tattoo.
If you can't, I like that dudeso, so, so, uh, shakley, you
shoot a lot, right?
I used to.
Yes, yeah, you don't shoot nomore.
I bow hunt.
Obviously you bow hunt, but youdon't shoot no more.
Not tournaments, how?
Speaker 4 (21:15):
come.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
There's not very many of them around here anymore, we
need to get an attack it.
When B Scott was younger, weused to shoot tournaments.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah, we won here in Florida.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
We should go to one of the total archery challenges
they have now.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
So how?
Speaker 3 (21:29):
does shooting tournaments?
How does shooting like you guysdo?
How does?
Speaker 4 (21:37):
that improve bow hunting?
Just the round of shots you'retaking.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Repetition.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Right right, it does make you a better bow hunter?
Do you think it makes you abetter bow hunter it?
Speaker 4 (21:44):
does.
I never shot much 3D.
I was a professional spotshooter when 3D first came
around.
This was back on 1980, I guessand it took over because guys at
Bowhunt had more fun shootingin 3D and it is more fun the
problem I had was back then itwas unknown distances only, and
no matter how much time I put in, how much practice, I never got
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to be able to judge distance ona professional level.
So I just never really wentthat way.
But I spot shoot and spotshooting makes you a better shot
, a better shooter, a bettertechnician on how to go through
the sequence of a shot.
Most people don't put anythought into that and you're not
going to get better unless youdo that when you say sequence,
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can you walk me through that?
Speaker 1 (22:31):
like what you mean by that.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Well, the sequence if you're doing it right and
you're on, if you're spot on,you're Scotty Shuffler, where
you can hit anything anytime andnot even think about it, it
just happens.
But when things start to gowrong, you start to lose that
edge.
If you don't know thetechniques to bring yourself
back, you're not going to getback.
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And how many of y'all ever hadtarget panic once in your life?
I?
Speaker 3 (22:59):
panic every time I call back.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
That's why I wouldn't quit, because I still have it.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I mean, I mean we all do target.
Panic is in like you're on thedeer or you're on the target and
you're just like, uh, now Isthat what you're talking?
Speaker 4 (23:10):
about, or you're on the target.
You're trying to acquire thetarget.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
And you don't have any control of when it's going
off.
It just goes off, it's not.
You're not setting up, you'reswinging into the target or
you're not being patient.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
It just seems like a lot of times when I shoot at a
deer or something.
After I shoot at a deer I'mlike, okay, did I even aim?
It happens so fast.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
That's not a good thing.
No, I don't feel like it's agood thing.
No, it's not.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
I mean, I shot a good deer this year with a bow.
Tyler Stewart shot a good onetoo.
How big was your deer this?
Speaker 5 (23:42):
167, 12 points.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Do you remember if you aimed?
Speaker 5 (23:48):
I remember not aiming for very long.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
That's the problem.
That's what I'm talking about.
So just you know, shooting 3D,shooting, this competition,
keeping yourself at that levelwill help an everyday person,
because obviously, tyler doesn'tshoot 3D, I don't shoot 3D and
me and him have something incommon.
I don't remember amon, uh, I'mlike golly.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
So it has to improve a shooter absolutely 100 and I
can tell you a story about uhshot sequence and timing.
Um, it was in.
I was in vegas and I was rightnext to levi morgan.
You've got 18 inches in Vegason the floor.
That's your entire.
So if you're a left-hander it'sreally uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
What do you mean?
18 inches?
Speaker 4 (24:34):
18 inches on the floor is your spot.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Yeah, that's where you have to stand.
Load your arrow.
18 inches, 18 inches, yes, Ithink my waist is 18.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Yeah, so yeah.
Your feet got gotta be in 18inches, your body ain't gonna go
in 18 inches in vegas you shootthree shots at a time on a line
and then you go up.
Well, I shot my first shot,levi.
I looked at levi, he wasalready off the line.
He had already I had one shot.
He was already off the line tomy three shots.
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I cycled through my next twoshots.
I come back and I shot and hewas already off the line to my
three shots.
I cycled through my next twoshots.
I come back and I sit down andI says why do you shoot so fast?
And he says what do I got towait for?
He says when it's on the dot, Ishoot it.
Well, that's a good storybecause he's the greatest 3D
shooter ever.
There's never been a better 3Dshooter than Levi.
But he struggled a couple timesin his career with target panic
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.
At one time it was so bad thathe couldn't bring it to the bale
without it going off.
He had no control over the shotand there's a sequence to get
back from that and it depends onyour brain how long it takes to
get back.
But my opinion is that if youshoot too quick, if you're
really quick to shoot, you'resetting yourself up for problems
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in the long run.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
You should be able to pull back and hold and run that
pin around that bullseye andlet it down and not ever think
about shooting it but it takes alot of shooting to do that, it?
Speaker 4 (25:58):
no, it takes the right kind of shooting to do
that discipline it's goodpractice, yeah, so what is?
Good practice for our viewersGood practice is I shoot a back
tension, release a deer hunt, no.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
I tried that once.
It didn't work out too good forme.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
It's not easy to get used to it.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
But once you get used to it, it's the easiest way to
get clear.
You shoot that he don't evenknow what back tension is Okay.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
So, back tension is on a gate and it goes off when
the angle changes.
All you do with back tension isyou tighten your shoulder up
because you're changing that arca little bit and it'll go ahead
now.
Every time you shoot your bow.
It's supposed to scare you tobe a true shot, and it does.
It does?
Speaker 3 (26:40):
It scares me.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
So one of the things I do when you're talking about
that to train somebody that'slearning how to shoot, that's
having trouble, that has thedeath finger release that y'all
probably use.
Yeah, we do use that.
Yeah, so what I do with them.
So I'm not going to coach anyof you guys, because I'll give
it away, but I say, okay, I wantyou to draw back and get set.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
We need coaches.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
They get set and I'll sneak up behind them and just
tap the trigger just to watchwhat they do.
I would hate that.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
It's scary as shit.
That's just like back tension.
That's what it does.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
That's the feeling you should have to make sure
you're not influencing the shot.
That's right, and most badshots come from when the arrow's
still in the bow.
It might not be on the string,but it's still in the bow.
It might not be on the string,but it's still in the bow and
you don't have the proper gripor you're peaking which is death
to a good shot.
It's a couple of things, butthat's the feeling you should
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have.
If you're pounding the trigger,you're influencing your left
and right, up and down, you'reinfluencing everything.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
It makes sense.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
That's what I was saying.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
You said you shoot like yeah, you're influencing
everything it makes sense like,yeah, punching the trigger,
you're just hard to be accurate.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Yeah, yeah, I had my thing.
There was a time where I waslike when I was drawback, like
when I would get set up, um,like my trigger, I guess, wasn't
touchy enough, you know, orhairy enough, whatever, whatever
term you would use for that andlike when I touched the trigger
, I was so bad about letting alllike the bow would almost jerk
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out of my hand if it didn't gooff when I thought it was going
to go off.
So like you know what I'msaying, so like your drawback.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Ain't nothing worse than that, dude.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
And then you end up hitting the trigger and your
arrow goes wherever it's.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Tyler, have you done that on a deer?
That's not a matthews, that isa matthews bro.
I've never had that bro, neverdone it on a deer.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Well, you guys shoot animals it worries me because
I've done that before.
It worries me when I'm on adeer, so I feel like I'm like
pulling extra hard overextendingit.
Just making sure I don't dothat, because I've done that
before.
I know exactly what you'retalking about.
Yeah, that's called targetpanic, yeah it is target panic.
I'm ready for our shootingcompetition I don't feel like
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I'm a bad shot at all.
I mean not shockingly, You'renot a bad shot.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
It's just like when you get up in the moment when a
deer walks out, you're like picka spot, pick a spot and shit,
it all blends together and thenyou put every pin on the deer.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Yeah, I was like there's no way I can miss
because everything is on thedeer I'm shooting.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
When I first started shooting.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Speaking of that when I first started shooting
tournaments that happened to meand I'm real loose in my hand
and the bow came back really wowand a 3d tournament I bet that
was about.
Yeah, I bet you for the wholerest of the tournament.
You were overextended.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
I don't remember I bet you tried to get that tattoo
off your arm then it was beforetattooing Catches his.
I didn't get tattooed until Iwas three years old.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
So speaking of early days, early day target shooting.
Did you start out on a compoundbow?
Speaker 4 (29:42):
or did you have a old , so compound bows came around.
You look good for 70s, early 70s, early 70s.
The first year I killed at 16was with a recurve ben pearson
recurve um compound bows cameabout to me first time.
We had a uh indoor shootingrange club and we're all in
there with our c2 wings and youknow shooting our targets.
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You know like like FingersOlympics, and this guy comes in
with this thing.
It looked like something madein a machine shop.
It had all these bracketshanging all over it.
It had wheels all over it.
It was one of the first Allensthat ever came out.
I mean this was like two of 100.
I mean it was that new and wewere just having a laugh about
look how stupid you look withthat bow.
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And he took it and shot it andthe noise was incredibly loud
Like a Hoyt.
But it was 100 feet per second,faster than anything we've ever
seen, and it probably wasn't but190 feet a second.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Oh man.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
But I knew at that time they had something and one
of the guys that we shot withwas a mechanic and he went home
and said we don't need bracketson the end, we can make it so
it's inside the limb, and he wasthe guy that got the patent for
having the first one that wasinside the limb.
Of course, anybody ever shootone with a big bracket on the
end like a Darton NSL-50?
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They're loud, they were slowcompared to ones today, but
that's the first time I saw acompound.
And as far as graduating up tobeing a competition shooter, it
started with an instinctive shoton a deer that didn't go well
and I missed or wounded one orthe other and I go, man, I can't
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do that.
I got to get better at this, soI put a pin on it and then,
after I put a pin on it, Iprobably did the same thing
again.
And because you start shootinga little farther out, the next
thing you know, I got a releasein my hand.
The next thing you know, I gotmagnification and a stabilizer
because I think it's going tomake me better.
None of that makes you betterand I'll tell you equipment.
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Dave Cousins' story.
Most of you are too old to knowwho Dave Cousins was, but he
was one of the best shooters inthe world back in the 80s.
He was a great guy and I waswith a seminar with him and
somebody brought up the fact.
The only reason why you guysare so good is you get all that
free equipment and you havebetter stuff than we do, and
that's why you're a bettershooter.
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So Dave took this guy's bow thatarrows were coming out of it
about sideways and he shot fivearrows with that bow inside of a
three inch group.
Never shot it was.
I mean, it was not tuned,arrows were going down off the
bow bed and he gave it back tothe guy and he said it's not the
equipment, it's the guyshooting the bow.
That's right.
So that's a good point.
Now this stuff does help you.
Paper tuning by far is the mostimportant thing, even though
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most shooters can't paper tunetheir own bow because their shot
sequence isn't good enough toreally know what the arrow is
supposed to do coming out of thebow.
I've had years where guys, Ican't get a good tear, I'll take
it, shoot it perfect tear everytime.
And it's the difference that myshot sequence is not coming off
sideways or up and down, sopaper tuning has to be done by
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somebody that has a good shotsequence.
I got you that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Perfect sense.
It does make sense.
I probably got bad shot.
Sequence on Will and the Bet.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Well, I think we all do, because we don't shoot.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
I'd be Will and the Bet Mine's probably not that
great.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Well, shoot, yeah, I mean I'd be willing to bet that
mine's probably not that great.
Well, another thing that thatmay shock everybody is that a
tournament archer for the mostpart there's some levi's that go
out there and a minute theyacquire the, the target, the
arrow's gone.
A shooter like me, when Iacquire the bullseye let's say a
three inch bullseye at 20 yardsI will float that pin in that
bullseye and it runs back andwill float that pin in that
bullseye and it runs back andforth across the X-ring.
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I'm in the center but it'srunning back and forth across
the X-ring and then I'll startthe shot sequence, not waiting
for it to get to the center,because it's always going back
to the middle.
You're always going back to themiddle, so if it's out a little
bit when it happens to go off,you're going to have more shots
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in the middle than you are out.
So in other words, I don'tshoot.
It say okay, let's shoot.
I acquire the target inside,get it inside the target and
then start.
Just back, tension, justtightening my back up.
It changes the angle of thatrelease.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
I have no idea when it's going to go off, I got.
I got something for you.
Who's better hunter?
A bow hunter or a gun hunter?
Speaker 4 (34:16):
I believe I never killed a deer with a gun until I
was 35 years old and I was on alease and they had extra tags.
So I said, okay, I'll go killone with a gun.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
I didn't care for it yeah, do you believe that a bow
hunter has better basic uhprocedures in killing an animal
than a gun hunter?
Speaker 4 (34:37):
I don't know the, I don't know the gun hunter, but I
think, let me put it this, letme turn it around and put it
this way bow hunting makes you abetter hunter if you didn't
ever hunt with a bow and you'rea gun hunter.
There's a lot of things thatare off the table that you don't
know about.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
I believe, right, I believe that a bow hunter, I
believe a bow hunter is a betterhunter.
The reason why I believe thatis because you practice way more
with a bow than you do a gun.
I think a lot of gun hunters, alot of hunters, will take a gun
for granted.
You see, you see hair andcrosshairs, you pull the trigger
.
You know I'm personally abetter with a bow than I am with
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a gun.
Now, if you, if you, if you putme on a range I can shoot, and
david and daniel seen us shootsix, seven hundred yards and you
know we shoot one in the way.
We can dial up and do all thatfancy stuff out to a thousand
yards.
We can shoot good, we shoottargets good, but if you put in
there, you know you putsomething living, an animal out
there.
I think a bow hunter canprocess information better and
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make the better kill shot.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
And I agree with that , because now, because of injury
, I hunt with a crossbow, yeah,and I don't get the heartbeats
and the chills and all of thatlike I do with with a bow
because I know I have to.
Once I see it with a raven andhe's in the crosshairs at 30
yards, the hunt's over.
Yeah, with a bow.
I still got a lot to do yeah,everything has to go right.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
I just think a bow hunter, focus about everything
well, about the draw.
Even even though a normalperson, you put a bow in their
hand, they're going to practiceway more than a gun.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Well, even beyond that, think about this.
All right, say, you've got abow hunter here that's been bow
hunting his whole life.
He's good at getting inposition to be able to be
successful bow hunting.
You.
Put a gun in his hand.
I would be willing to bet he cankill a deer you know what I'm
saying I'd be willing to bet hehas a better chance than if you
took a gun.
Hunter, never bow hunted.
And tell that hunter to go.
Not only get in a position toshoot a deer with a bow, yeah,
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but also make it happen.
Not get busted when he'sdrawing, but and make a good
shot also a bow hunter.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
I mean, we all know we all bow hunt.
Right, we all bow hunt here andbut but when you're bow hunting
, we, when you go out to a pieceof property, you have to get
closer to the animal.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
You've got to make a better shot.
Everything is more serious.
You can't get busted either.
Yes, and I think it's a lotharder to kill an animal with a
bow, and I think the whole hunt,from the start to finish, is
more in detail.
Don't you agree, shockley?
I do.
I mean, you know, I used to goto these old deer camps.
Old Grandpa would go out thereand he'd get an old pie plate
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out there.
You know 25 yards.
He'd get that pie plate.
He says, oh, I'm good, I'm goodfor 250 yards.
Shoot, you don't know what 250yards look like.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Yeah, but you go out there with a bow and you're
trying to cut arrows.
You know what I'm saying.
So I mean the attention todetail is what I'm trying to say
.
The bow hunter is like, he'squiet, he gets in his tree, he's
looking at everything aroundhim, he's playing the wind.
I mean something about a bowturns you into a real hunter
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Because it takes more to do it.
It takes more to do it.
You have to pay attention towhat you're doing and you know,
I just think a bow hunter is abetter hunter.
I agree, it gets your like hesaid your shakes and your blood
pumping way more Close andpersonal.
I think the bow does a lot morefor an individual when it comes
to hunting an animal.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
You'll be humbled.
Quick bow hunting.
Oh yeah, that's correct.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Or you'll be busted.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Yeah, you don't play the wind right, dude.
You won't even see the deer.
Much less get an opportunity onone, and you know how that is,
and I think a bow hunter is moreof a disciplined hunter, don't
you think so?
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
That is more of a disciplined person.
No matter what it is, hedoesn't laugh.
I think somebody who picks abow up is a very disciplined
person.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
I mean I feel like gun hunting is just like it
doesn't matter what you do,you're going to kill one.
There's no thought Like, if I'mgoing gun hunting, I'm like
whatever, just give me easy,I'll be done in about two hours.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
The only time gun hunting gets me going is when a
kid's shooting.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Yeah, now that will get me going.
Yeah, or you're hunting a bigbuck.
You know, sometimes you see abig buck.
I mean I'm sure tyler's sayinghe hunts in kansas, he hunts all
these big bucks all the timeyou know, of course he does.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
You know, we're always hunting these 120s.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
He's hunting 150s, 170s up there, you know, but
anyways are you jealous of himI'm super jealous well, if you
would have got drawn for a tagthis year.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
I didn't get drawn for a tag, I didn't either.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
It's crazy, gray have got drawn for a tag.
This year I didn't get drawnfor a tag.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
I didn't either it's crazy, grayson got drawn, that's
crazy.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
Grayson got drawn.
Wow, cam got drawn too, but hiscard declined, so they almost
didn't let him have his.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
That's so funny.
That's so funny.
But, man, that's awesome to getyou up here.
I think the Wigan Havoc crewand Harry the crew has signed up
to do some urban hunting thisyear with Otis.
I'm excited about it.
Yeah, we are too.
We're going to get Shockley upthere in the tree and see what
we can do.
We still got that competition.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Remember what competition.
What are you talking about?
The one from the group chatgoing to the 3D Archery Range?
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Oh God, dude, I'm down, I'm in.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
We have so many competitions man, we have so
many competitions I don'tremember, it was in the group
chat everything we do is acompetition.
Yeah, I'm ready dude, I can'tremember what the bet was, but
it's some while what was it?
Speaker 1 (39:53):
what was the last matthews?
You, you, bowhunter, because Igotta have a phase four.
He has a phase four, the liftsthe new one, but it's having a
lot of new ones the limbscracking a lot, that's right,
I'm just telling you, that's,that is a proven fact.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Matthew's putting a post up themselves about it.
We don't even know what's wrongwith Hoyt, because nobody here
shoots a Hoyt.
That's the thing, so don't evenbring that up.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
The greatest is always quiet.
I'm just saying Quiet.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Quiet.
Yeah, dude, I heard you shoot.
It sounded like you had a text.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
You were shooting in the garage over there at the
house.
It's insulated and it wasknocking off everything.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Yeah, that's that power, that's that power.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
You were shooting and my wrist started vibrating.
My wife was in the kitchenbecause she does limbs break.
No, that's just a Hoyt shooting.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Carbon fiber right there.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
But your hands won't get cold, but your hands won't
get cold.
That is nice about the carbonfiber though that is nice carbon
fiber, it doesn't get cold.
I guess that's a selling point.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
I tell you, Matthews, the Target boy had TRX.
It took 15 minutes to papertune it to get it to shoot.
Perfect.
The Matthews did, the Matthewsdid.
I've never had a Hoyt that Icould paper tune to zero Boom.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
We're talking about years.
That's some factual stuff.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
I bet a $100.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Bill D Darryl's never paper-tuned.
Speaker 5 (41:11):
I do every time.
Oh, you know that I take aserious shot at this the whole
way to the target.
My boat is so dialed in.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
You'll never see me miss a target, darryl, I've
never seen you kill a deer.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
But you've never seen me miss a target.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
That is a factual statement.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
You've never seen Mr Target.
That is a factual statement.
You've never seen Mr Target.
All right, well, we'll get togo to the target range.
Maybe you can coach us up thereyou go.
I feel like I need some help.
I bet I can pull my bow.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
My bow is in a sickest suitcase, that's been
thrown around.
I bet I can pull it out rightnow and shoot it.
Speaker 5 (41:41):
I don't even have a case.
I shot my bow the other day andit was still on.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
This is my suitcase.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
I had to run over to the truck and still be on.
Hey, you know what I think weneed to pay you to help him.
How much was that going to costus?
Speaker 1 (41:56):
A lot.
Listen, listen, deer.
Just see my bow and just fallover dead.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
So one other odd experience that I had about
shooting techniques I lived inColorado at the time and had my
bow.
It was set up perfect, man, Iwas all ready for the Senior
Olympic National Games down inHouston.
I get down to Houston for thepractice round and the first
shot I made was atwo-and-a-half-foot low at 60
(42:22):
yards, and it wasn't.
I transported it by vehicle.
It didn't go anything.
It's the difference inelevation, yep, and I had no
clue and I started talking toguys oh yeah, we'd have to
figure out that all the time ifwe go hunt colorado.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
So so the elevation there's thinner, right there's
thinner.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
I would make sure you , make sure it'll drop two and a
half feet, I mean at 60 yards Imean it?
Speaker 3 (42:44):
was incredible we experienced the same thing with
muzzleloaders.
Remember we went elk hunting inColorado and I hit the dirt at
the target.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
The air affects everything.
Your motors.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
And the guy goes that's a miss.
I was like holy shit, that'snot a miss.
I've been doing this for twoweeks straight.
There's no way it's a miss.
It was a miss.
We had adjust gesture size,remember.
Mm-hmm, it was crazy.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
It was a bad deal.
Always we had open-site muzzleletters.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Always shoot your equipment when you go traveling.
I know somebody who didn't missthat target.
That's a good tip.
Speaker 4 (43:14):
Well, especially when you're getting ready for a
tournament.
One shot, you've got 15 minutesto get it tuned up.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
I, we're gonna smoke your ass on lake court next week
.
I'm telling you right now, dudeyou know, that's going down.
You know, I want to tell y'allsomething.
You know, my bow's black, yourbow is black.
What's that to do?
Anything to do?
Because you know you see somebig, scary black guy walk by,
you lock your car doors.
Yeah, so that way, when theysee my deer comes out, he just
automatically just lays down anddies.
I do know one thing I haven'tseen that in person hold on hold
on.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
I do know thing advantage of being black when
you're hunting what's that?
You hunted our spot last year.
In our camera Ashley goes.
Is Daryl in the stand?
I said yeah, baby, he's in thestand.
I said he had to walk right bythe camera.
I said, well, it's dark.
Speaker 6 (44:00):
You know what I mean, pick him up.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
He got in the tree.
Listen here.
Speaker 5 (44:08):
He got in the tree.
You still couldn't see him, didthe camera?
Speaker 3 (44:10):
even take a picture of him.
The camera almost missed him.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
You're saying he didn't read you or something.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
She goes.
That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
It is amazing.
That's like duck hunting.
Everybody's sitting there inface paint and putting their
mask on and all that.
And they're looking at me andI'm like y'all, keep y'all heads
down.
I'm staring at them the wholetime.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
I'm watching this whole show when it goes down.
If the ducks flare say, daryl,quit smiling.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Quit smiling, Daryl.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
We have a good time, man.
We have a good time, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
And definitely thanks for making the trip.
It was great.
I mean learning about shootingbows.
I do need to get my bow set upright.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
I think it's almost that time.
Start bow hunting you knowthere's it really is.
Yeah, it's really exciting.
Speaker 4 (44:48):
The problem with june the problem with a lot of the
local shops everywhere in thecountry is the bow mechanic they
have there today.
It may be different from theguy they hire to do it tomorrow
yeah, I know so it's better tolearn how to do that stuff
yourself, because that way.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
You know, it's just why the society is nowadays.
You know just like it's hard.
You're like like you're a wayyou know it's still there.
That's just the way the societyis nowadays.
You know it's hard, like you'rea legend.
You're the old guys that knoweverything.
It's pretty cool to talk tosomebody that's as old as you
are and has been in the business.
You know it's cool.
Speaker 4 (45:17):
For the young guys anyways, the young guys, people
like Daryl.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
He needs to look up to you.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
The only time I can be where everybody's not younger
than me is if I go be insidethe gate.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
I'm starting to feel like I'm the old guy at the
table too.
It's coming around.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Age is something.
Always going Well, guys.
I think that wraps it up.
Thanks for coming.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
I appreciate you guys , I appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
I'm looking forward to us doing some urban hunting
this year.
Speaker 4 (45:43):
It's going to be big, just don't get anywhere near
where I put my deer stand.
That's right.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
Just drop a pin, we'll be there.
Anyways, the ABA event comingup.
A lot of good stuff.
Don't forget to check out thegear shop.
A lot of new items.
Summer's here.
We got stuff for the sandbarsand whatnot.
Guys, check it all out Beforewe get out of here.
Make sure you like subscribe,hit the bell for notifications
and don't forget, hey, don'tforget.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
We got Havoc bikinis, we do so get them out of here.
Hey, you guys, get the Havocbows, get your ladies bikinis.
We want to see it, don't?
Speaker 1 (46:13):
miss out.
Stay tuned, check it out.
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