"NINJA" NEIL HIGNIGHT 501 ARCHERY | Ep076 | Off The Clock with B Scott - Off The Clock with B Scott

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's 5 o'clock and you're off to Coggle Beast guys.
Today we have as our guest NeilHignight with 501 Archery there
in Hot Springs.
Now listen, we got in here andhe's scared the living crap out
of us with this fake rattlesnake.
Y'all check this out.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Oh shit.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Mother God dang it.

Speaker 4 (00:18):
I don't doubt that shit, my man.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Oh shit.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Before we get into it , though's gonna tell us all
about getting your bow set up,tweaking your mental game,
because there's a lot to it allright, so like target, uh,
problems where you get anxiousand you just squeeze the trigger
and you're not very accurate.
He's gonna tell us how to getout of that.
So we're gonna talk aboutarrows, talk about bows, talk
about hunting, but before we getinto it, leave a like,
subscribe, hit the bell fornotifications.
Let's jump in.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
So you sell bows.
Now, what are you doing here?

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Well, I'm a bow technician yeah, I work on bows.
I started out helping out atHorns Outdoor.
Anyway, place got sold.
Those people weren't into itand I didn't realize there was
that big a need.
Yeah, because I've always donemy own stuff Right In particular
.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
But most people don't , though Most people don't do
their own stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
I totally get it.
I don't want them to either.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
It's good money.
Huh yeah, you still kill a lotof turkeys.
Aren't you the one that killeda bunch of turkeys?
I?
Used to turkey hunt a lot yeah,but uh, back in the day.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
No, you don't turkey hunt, no more man, I I don't
much these days just becauseit's gotten, so pop it's.
It's dangerous really, in thenational forest it can get that
way population's coming backthis is the longest drought of
turkeys that I've seen in a longtime, but they've really made a
huge comeback yeah, yeah, yeah,they have.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
You know, one thing about turkey hunting, though, is
I've kind of fallen out ofturkey hunting a little bit and
I've moved more into like saddlehunting.
You know, deer hunting andturkey season fishing is like
super good, like bed fishing forbig bass, and that's kind of
what we kind of fell into.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Bass fishing.
Yeah, Bass fishing.
Do a lot of bass fishingfishing, a lot of bass fishing.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
We don't do a lot of turkey hunting either, but we
did, though we just it's likeyou did one.
It's like, okay, I killed aturkey, it's the same as the
other turkey, you know so eitheryou get hooked or you don't
right everything's like that,though really yeah, I always eat
up with it.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Like I always said that I would die of a heart
attack of a goblin turkey comingin, you know I would die you
know, as an old man.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
I mean How'd you kill your turkeys?
I remember you.
I mean how'd you kill yourturkeys?
Shot them in the face?
I know you shot them in theface, but what was your
technique?

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well, I'm a late morning afternoon guy.
The last turkey I killed was atdark almost, and he come in
gobbling.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
I don't like to deal with people.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
He flew up on that limb and he shot it down.
No, I've never shot a turkeyoff a limb.
I've had plenty ofopportunities.
It's just not me.
That's the reason why I'mobsessed with shooting stuff
with a stick Because it's harder?

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Did you shoot turkeys with a bow?

Speaker 2 (02:53):
I've killed a few turkeys with a bow.
That started for me at a youngage I started out, you know
everybody started out riflehunting.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
I think everybody knew you as a turkey hunter,
though, if I remember thiscorrectly.
Am I remembering?

Speaker 2 (03:09):
this right.
I don't know how far back youknow, there was another barber
in town, like before I was alive.
That was the sneaky turkeyhunter.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Oh, oh, okay so you're talking about another guy
.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
I didn't know, that guy got the drop-off everywhere.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
His wife would even drop him off.
Johnny Long was always lookingfor him.
That was the tactic you weretalking about.
I didn't know.
I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
That was the guy.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
You were talking about the drop-off tactic.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
There's something sneaky about you.
No, no.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Okay, nope.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
No, so you're legit.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Everybody wants to try to associate me with jumping
fences, but that's not me, it'sjust not me.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
I just remember going to get my haircut down there
and he'd pull out a drawer andhe had a bunch of turkey beards
everywhere.
I guess I was probably 22, 23,24, a long time ago.
So yeah, that was the other one.
Yeah, did you buy his business?

Speaker 1 (04:05):
No, okay, no, he usually got a foggy memory, you
know I mean two together I'mactually surprised you remember
that though uh-huh, how old areyou?

Speaker 2 (04:13):
47 yeah, we're the same age.
Okay, no, you know what?
He was still cutting hair.
Years ago I opened a barbershopin malvern I'm talking about
way back and uh, in the old RedBall Down there by the.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yes, yes by the courthouse.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yes, no, that's I'm talking about further down
behind the food center.
But the one you're talkingabout is by the by.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Wade's.
That's the turkey killer.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, I got you, I got, you, I got you.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
I just remember when I was younger.
I just remember this guy whowas like a legend and malvern
and killed so much turkeys.
I didn't know if that was youor not no, I'm the deer killer
deer killer.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
So I guess, since he has a fog of mineral, kind of
run us through your story, man,get us going from, like where
you're cutting hair to where youdecided.
You know whatever happened thenyou transferred into doing what
you do now.
Kind of just give us the shortof the of the long, of kind of
like how you got to where youare now.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Let's talk about how I got into archery Right so well
I can't even remember nothaving a bow, it's just kind of
in.
And that's where I was going asecond ago with this Started out
gun hunting.
I got to where I was using aside, I was using a muzzleloader
during rifle season and my dadwas like you're stupid.
And my dad was like you'restupid Not really like that but
it was a challenge for me.

(05:24):
I didn't care if I got the shotor not, it was just it was hard
.
I always have, and that's how Igot into shooting bows Just one
challenge.
Oh yeah, it's fun Like to thinkabout getting a deer that close.

(05:44):
When you don't always shoot Insome of your best hunts you
never even got to pull your bowback, you know Right.
So anyway, I've always done myown work, you know Right.
You know you got your littlefriend group that you shoot and
hunt with and stuff, but anyway,I've always wanted to do it.
But I could never imagine, youknow, I was successful.
I had a good business.
I got rear-ended and smoked myneck, ruined it, you know and I

(06:10):
was sitting at the house for toolong and I decided I told my
wife, I said I'm gonna go up andsee, see what's shaking at the
bow shop, because I know theydon't have a bow technician.
You know I'm friends with theowner and I see what's going on.
He's like man.
I wish you'd help me out alittle bit here, you know gladly
, because I can't sit at thehouse no more.
Anyway, it turned into full time, you know, like overwhelming,

(06:31):
and I was like maybe I'msupposed to be doing this for
people, because I love to servepeople.
I love to help people Like Ilove it.
It's not annoying to me.
I want to see somebody needinghelp.
Right to see somebody needinghelp, right because I want to,
and it's not for my owngratification.
I love to see somebody like,wow, this is fun.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Yeah, yeah, you like seeing somebody enjoy something
that you, yeah, get intosomething, get you know excited
about it.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
I love it, but anyway , anyway.
So that's where I am.
That's how I got here, whetheryou know, it's funny, I had to
break my neck to get here, buthere I am, literally literally,
and I, you know, I rememberhearing that too, and that's why
I asked you earlier, before weyou know got on here.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
I'm lost, but I remember, like I know I remember
that I was in there getting ahaircut, which usually where you
find out about stuff you knowand you know I heard using an
old truck or something.
I can't hardly remember, but Iremember when that happened.
You know it's a pretty big deal.
I mean a lot of people talkingabout it.
They were just upset about thetruck, that's what I got my kids
it was like it was like a deathin the family.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
They're like just totaled it out, huh your truck
so you got rear-ended.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
My neck, you got rear-ended yeah, man, I imagine
you know the old trucks probablydidn't have very good neck
support either, you know so,dude, if I was in anything newer
, like if you pulled up here andseen at my house right now, I
got it and I kept it.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
You know you'd be like you didn't get hard hit
hard.
There's no way.
Yeah, but it's the frame that'scrazy.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
That's crazy.
So let's talk about 501 archery.
All right, what are you doingthere?
What, what are you specializingin?
Like kind of what.
What are you seeing this timeof season?

Speaker 2 (08:05):
you know people starting to get ready for bow
season so we opened in march and, uh, that's the off season.
You talked about it a minuteago.
That's when you go fishing.
You're starting, you're gettingramped up to chase a turkey and
then all of a sudden, rightpast that, boom mama wants you
to take her to the lake and goto the beach, you know.
But so that was a.
That was a hard time to open.
It was off season, but weusually shoot 3D all summer long

(08:26):
, all spring, all summer.
You know there's a lot ofpeople that shoot bows
year-round, Right, you know.
But our focal point, you know,obviously is serving hunters and
stuff.
So that was a slow time tostart.
I can see that.
But man, oh man, you know, wastelling them I feel like a
checker, the only checker at theWalmart that they run around

(08:49):
right now and they ain't nobarcodes on nothing.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
I can't get it caught up.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
No, I usually.
You know, the big thing rightnow is a string.
Put a string on Everybody'sscared to death to put a new
string on their bow, literally.
They think, well, I can hitwith it.
Well, they're talking about 12yards, but you know, it needs to
fly straight oh yeah latelyI've been keeping a one week
turnaround time and that's a.
That's a specific string order.
You know, if you come in andsaid, hey, dude, I need string

(09:16):
on my bow, but I'm worried aboutit, what do you think I'm like?
Well, I can't see the future,but I've been getting them out
in a week, and that's if I orderthe string today, whatever
color you want.
You know, right, I thinkthey're scared that their peep's
not gonna be the same, orwhatever.
But they've been, they've beenfighting that peep for years
anyways, like it's gonna bestraight.
That's funny.
The last few days people comein.
I'm like go in the lane andshoot it.

(09:37):
I want to make sure thateverything is exactly like I
said it was going to and thenI'll walk in there and see them
and they'll that people bestraight and they'll crank it.
I'm like what'd you do that for?
I'm like I don't know, I justalways do it.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
I said please don't do that, it's great I'm like,
yeah, sorry about that you know,that's a habit too.
I get myself.
I actually have that habit Ievery time I I don't have to.
I know I'm used to it everytime every time I do it, no
matter what you know.
I just realized I have thathabit.
I twist you twist yours.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yeah, I mean bow hunting and gun hunting is
totally different when youactually practice your bow
shooting oh, yeah, I think a lotof people don't understand that
that's a true statement, youknow?
Uh, that's why most bow huntersare more accurate when they can
kill better, because they payattention to every detail, where
a gun hunter takes everythingfor granted yeah, they rush more
shots.
They are in the scope, it'sgoing to die.

(10:27):
That's, that's reality.
That's a really good point.
So bow hunters are usually moreof a unique uh individual.
It's like they slow everythingdown their brains.
They pay attention to detail.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
It's definitely a different person it is than most
other people right, especiallythe detail you talked about,
because everything's got to goright.
You know, kill a deer with abow.
I mean you know we got to be inthe right spot, the right wind.
You know the deer comes out,you don't get busted drawing on
them.
You know how it goes.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
It's a heart attack all in one motion.
That's why it's such a.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
It's a blur, for sure .
I mean, it's not an sport, butit's such a dedicated sport.
That's why I'll never die out,because it's just like.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
You don't have to have all the money in the world
to do it either, thoughLiterally I mean you don't?

Speaker 3 (11:13):
You know, to buy the new stuff nowadays?
Yeah, it gets a little pricey,but you know you got recurves
and all that stuff up there.
I mean, that's a differentperson.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
You a different person?
Oh yeah, you start going totrash there's so many different
levels of an archer, though, anda hunter.
There are stone cold killers,there are killers that you're
not going to know about.
Then you got your guys thatkind of do it, and you guys, you
got guys that want to be a partof it.
They just want to be known forthe being in the crowd, you know
what I'm saying it's likeeverything else, but your
killers.
They don't need your advice,they don't even want you to know
where they are, what they'redoing.
Yeah that's right you don'teven know that who does their
work.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
It's because they do it right you know, it's because
they do it yeah, I know you'reright about that and I wonder
how much social media has kindof changed that dynamic a little
bit, because now everybody canlook like a killer.
You know, and I'm sure you seea lot of people come in to your
shop and you're like man, y'allare so misleded here, like
misleaded.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Where do you see this at?
You can't come at anybody likethat.
They didn't come in thereasking advice like that and that
I don't know.
I've been blessed in the factthat I'm not trying to change
nobody's mind.
Matter of fact, if you come inand said you need a D-loop, and
I look and I see your bow is ahalf inch out of time, more than

(12:28):
likely I'm going to addressthat and show you how or why I'm
going to do that.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
And that leads on.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
But I'm never going to tell somebody dude, you're
hammering that trigger.
I don't want people to shootnew paper because most of them
don't realize that they can't doit like the way they're holding
their bow or they're rippingtheir trigger.
You know what I'm?

Speaker 1 (12:44):
saying Right.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
It's my job to make their bow shoot optimally, right
.
You know, but they didn't comein for shooting lessons.
Right, they don't need me totell them what they're doing
wrong.
Ignorance is bliss Right.
I wish I remember back wheneverI was man, my stone cold killer
days.
I wish I could go back and tunehit guys, bow like yeah it was
good for me.
Then I thought you know, butnow I know what.

(13:07):
Now you?

Speaker 1 (13:08):
picked up what I know now oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
But anyway, yeah I, I don't want to overload people
with stuff.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
If they, if they ask, then I'll tell them like,
what's funny is, like you know,as different as people are when
they go in to buy stuff.
When I go in and I'm talking,you know a guy like you, you
know, I don't even pretend toknow a lot, obviously I don't.
So I'm like what do I need?
This is what I'm trying to doand I always take that advice.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
I'm going to ask you what have you been shooting
Right and what do you like?
So the number one thing that Idon't tell people is what
broadhead I think they shouldshoot.
I ain't doing that, yeah it'dbe like you asking me what color
to paint your room and I tellyou what color I think it ought
to be, and you'd be like I hateit, you know, and then it's my
fault yeah I don't tell peoplewhat bow to buy either.
I want them to shoot them andsee what they like.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
Is bow hunters?
Arrogant people.
Are they arrogant when theycome in the store?
No I don't think so.
I think a bow hunter is more ofa?
Um listen to they want to bebetter.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
That's how I see it.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
Because it's such a hard sport to master.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah, no, they're not , they're not arrogant.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
They know what they're coming for too, but they
will listen, though I thinkthey would listen If they don't
know.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
They've already humbled themselves before they
walk in the door Like look, Ineed some help.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
Yeah, yeah, you're like something's not right.
I'm fish tailing bad.
You just want to be better.
I mean, you shot, you shottournaments.
Most of your bow hunters reallydeal with their own situations,
their own problems with theirbows.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
I used to fletch my own areas, sure so, and then
that's more common these daysthan any, you know, with easy
fletchers and stuff.
But you know, what's funny is Ididn't realize how many guys
are really good shooters andthey shoot a lot but they don't
know how to tune really and theycome like they come.
I was like, and I understandthat I would rather somebody not
mess with it.

(14:54):
You know, please don't you know?
And the worst thing you said itearlier people get online and
now everybody can afford to buya press and they can work on it
and it's not good, like italways leads to.
They're gonna end up coming in.
You know, yeah, I've done itall right, except for and I'm
like, actually no there's afoundation you start from up
again.

(15:14):
I have to have a good foundationon a bow.
You can't just start messingwith your wrist.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah, I mean that makes perfect sense because like
you start getting in over yourhead on something you know,
watching youtube videos nextthing, next thing, you know
you've got a major problem.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah, yeah, especially on these new bows,
you're far away from it.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's changed.
The technology is so good now Iwouldn't even try to tackle it.
I mean speaking of technologyright here you've got in front
of us what is that?
A Matthews Mission?

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Man, they finally revamped the Mission.
And my daughter is begging forone, my son's got one.
So this one goes from 17 to 28inches and it goes up to 50
pounds.
But the let off is so differenton this one.
You remember the old Menace.
You had a craze.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah, his is the old Menace.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
It didn't have this on it.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
See, this makes it have a good stop, yeah, I see
that it was more of a round egg,smooth spongy at the back?
I don't see this thing, but itis that dude locks out solid
wall, yeah, yeah, that is sweetman.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
So see, my first bow kill was with a mission they're
awesome I mean, yeah, it was.
It's a matthews bow guys, itwas cameron's first bow kill too
with a mission.
What do you shoot?
Whatever's in my hand, yeah I Ibelieve it I have a pse do you?
Yep, uh, I have a lot of those,so this is kind of not fair
right in my household it'severybody shoots something

(16:32):
different.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
We have matthews oh, we got that going on, everybody
shoots something different.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
It's what you like like we don't have that role.
In our house we shoot what we,we support well, it depends on
if they're.
I don't know.
We're all Matthews.
My wife is not going to shoot aPSC.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Mine's always been a Matthews.
Actually, more women arestarting to shoot a PSC because
of EC2 cam.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
My wife shoots one.
Yeah we all shoot Matthews.
I got a neighbor.
He's a firm believer in PSC.
We always talk in business.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
They all Listen.
Everybody's had a year or twothat they struggled per company.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
You know what I'm saying.
Everybody's put one out there,that's like I don't know about
that.
That's questionable.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, but I don't know.
We shoot whatever you know.
You're just a nice guy, that'snot what.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:26):
I always tell my neighbor if he misses a deer
with his psc the shrat, andhe'll kill it.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, shooting around trees and stuff that's so funny
, dude.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah, so daryl, he's usually on here with us.
He shoots a hoy.
He's the only one out of thewhole group that shoots a hoy
and we give him so much such ahard time about it, which I mean
he's rough on it, though I meanhe's dropped his hoy out of the
tree like twice.

Speaker 4 (17:44):
Yeah last season, it was in the floorboard of his
truck the other day and I don'tthere's so, honestly, anything.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Honestly, I don't even know if I can even blame
the hoid at this point.
You know what I mean.
I think it would just blamedaryl.
But we all shoot matthews andwe've always shot matthews.
It's kind of one of thosethings I'm sure a lot of people
like that.
I've always shot Matthews, yep.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
I always have.
So what made you switch?
They handed me one and I shotit.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
And you decided to try it.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
That's pretty sweet yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
Well, I mean, it's hard not to shoot free stuff,
whatever you know.
Some companies support you.
I mean you got to help them too.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
You know, I'm sure it's a good bow too, you know,
too, you know.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
So that's a good good thing like you're right about
that, I mean they all.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
They are, these primes man.
They're slick, so I've seenthat the other day.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
I brought the newest one.
I brought the 30 and it is sobalanced.
You know we run back bars onour setups and stuff trying to
get a balance in your hand.
Right, that bow sits like ithas one on it and it's naked.
Really.
Yeah, I brought it, you want tosee it.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yeah, yeah, pull that thing out.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yeah, pull that thing out there we go, pull that
thing out.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
I've seen a video of it.
As a matter of fact, I sent itto somebody, I think Daryl, I
was like you've seen this.

Speaker 4 (18:50):
He's like yeah, I have seen it.
Hey, basically I brought it,you want to see it?

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah, I guess we got it.
There's his hole.
I brought your favorite colortoo, so this is a.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
So that's aluminum right.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
I brought that for Darryl.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
Is that not made of aluminum, though?
That hoit right there.
And that's aluminum hoit.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
There ain't nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
It feels good.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
They're some clothes, man yeah, they are a lift.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Mom has lift let me just throw these in the floor
when you're done.
But yeah, that's the problem,hold this.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
That's the problem.
That's what I seen.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
The video up, god you're gonna notice, as soon as
you hold it, it's just gonna sitthere.
Oh yeah, it's cool, it justsits in your hand.
They're really cool, man.
They're small.
So I brought I brought theshort bows today because we're
talking to hunters.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
You know, most hunters around here like short
bows easy to get out the backwindow of a truck?
How much is the?

Speaker 1 (19:59):
how much is the prime way?
Isn't it supposed to be lighter?
Because it's.
When I watched the video, whatthey said was it took the best
parts of aluminum and the bestparts of carbon fiber and put
them together.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
They claim this is the stiffest riser on the market
.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
That's pretty convincing technology,
theoretically, obviously.
I don't know nobody that shotone.
Can I hold it please?
Would you like to?

Speaker 2 (20:21):
touch it.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yes, it's pretty light.
I'll tell you what's crazy.
Hold it please.
Would you like to touch it?
Yeah, it's pretty light.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah, they're light, but I'll tell you what's crazy
is how smooth that thing draws.
It is pretty balanced.
Huh, this is a big seller.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
I'm talking about a big seller.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
Which one's a big seller?
The Mach 30.
Which one's a Mach 30?
Mm-hmm Dang.
We're just on Mach 1, one thatdoes feel pretty good.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
I don't like, yeah, I know what notice how it feels
when you open your hand.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
It sits there what happens when you put a
stabilizer on it.
Sir, what happens when you puta stabilizer on it?

Speaker 2 (20:58):
well, that's kind of the point.
That's kind of the point.
It doesn't like you're there toshoot one shot, not, not a
score.
You know what I'm saying?
That's kind of the point I wasmaking.
Like it doesn't like you'rethere to shoot one shot, not,
not a score.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
You know what I'm saying that's nice, so you can.
I mean I imagine you probablykeep the bow lighter so you stop
adding stuff to it to balanceit, and you're actually adding,
you know, a little bit of uh,kind of a give me there on
weight.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah, so so you think that's a marketing strategy.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Was uh get rid of the stabilizer because in a way,
not necessarily, I thinknecessarily, I don't know, but I
like the way it feels.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
I mean, that's a good strategy Like hey, you don't
need a stabilizer, shed someweight, so why did they start
with Mach?

Speaker 2 (21:32):
30?
.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
What happened to the other 29?
Why?

Speaker 1 (21:35):
is it Mach 30?
What is a 34?
Is it like a?

Speaker 3 (21:39):
So they've had carbon bows before you know, yeah, but
why did they name it Mach 30?
What does the 30 stand for?

Speaker 1 (21:45):
30-inch axle-to-axle, that's kind of what I was
thinking, Gotcha okay.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
So they had the Mach Stealth and they had a few bows.
But when they come out with theMach 34, like you were talking
about, it changed the game.
It woke people up.
People didn't like the way itlooked, but when they shot it,
they and then they come out withthat.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
I have no idea.
Is it still pretty noisy,though?
Out of all these bows, whichone's the most?

Speaker 2 (22:06):
quiet.
Oh, obviously you know whichone that is.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Yeah, Dude that was a quarter question for the geek.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
You know which one that is.
See, that's my favorite part,though People can't deny that.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
That's my favorite part, though I'll just check and
see how honest you'd be.

Speaker 4 (22:19):
How do you these cams will hold up compared to the
rest of them?
Which one?

Speaker 2 (22:22):
These composite ones, not the I haven't seen one of
those dry-fired, but I haven'tseen an issue with none of that.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
Like one piece, like the ear right here.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
You want to dry-fire it?
No, I don't, no, I don't.
We could test all of that rightnow.

Speaker 4 (22:38):
I know that guy.
You see what I'm talking about,though, sir.
You see what I'm talking about,though, sir.
You see what I'm talking about,though.
How the?
So you got to think, basically,it's not 3D printed, actually,
but that's what it's like.
It's all one piece, it ain'tyeah they're machined.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
They're not machined.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
Yeah, hmm, it's like plastic.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
So let me ask you this, though when you're not
going on crazy walking likeyou're not hiking out hunting
mule, deer or something youwould just say just climbing up
in a tree and hunting, you knowwhitetail or something other
than you know speed and you knowhow quiet it is.
I would say those are the twomost important things when it

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comes to a bow speed and quiet,speed and quiet it is if it's
fast and it's quiet as far asdeer hunting goes through the
hunter yeah so yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
So I mean you got, you know, you got a good point
going coming on here, so what?

Speaker 1 (23:31):
why would you not just go with the quietest and
fastest?

Speaker 3 (23:34):
I think a lot of people you know, confused, are
like what bow to buy becauseobviously they're so nice, all
of them and you got to go withforgiven if you have make right
kind of slight adjustment so ifyou're a shitty, shot, you gotta
get both that's more forgiving.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
You gotta get one forgiven well, most people come
in and they already think theyknow what they want and I'm
gonna let them shoot one ofeverything.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
How do they make that decision, though?

Speaker 1 (23:56):
based off of their buddies, yeah yeah, it's like a
four-door dodge, you know it's.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
It's like I've always had this it's so funny because
I'm not just, like I said, aboutpainting your room.
I don't want you to think Italked you into anything, but
it's kind of funny.
People come in with their mindmade up and then they change
their mind.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
And I can't tell you which way it's going to go.
It just blows my mind.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
A lot of people.
They'll go in.
They'll see something likethat's what I want in.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
They'll see something like that's what I want.
What is I?

Speaker 2 (24:26):
want that.
What is the best bow?
The one that fits you, I mean,I promise, like your opinion,
raven the best bow ever made.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
I mean, he had one bow to buy.
What bow would it be?
Somebody has to be better,somebody has to be better, right
man?
I don't know.
It's not an equal opportunity,we're not.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
We're not comparing prices, we're not comparing.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Well, there's so many dude you like.
If, you, if, if you was at theshop and we just shot everything
and you, you did, you weren'teven shopping, you just wanted
to know.
You would have to admit to methat are nice, all of them to me
if you ask me what's the besttruck, well, I mean I like horse
pirates.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
Right now it's ford.
You know we'll've got the highoutput.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
That's what that's based off of, which is like all
right, so take that speed right,power speed.
So I would say speed.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
If the bow has speed and it's quiet, it's effective
To me if I'm picking a bow out,I want the most quietest bow on
the market, because that givesme the second shot if I need it.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
You mean when you need it.
Yeah, I can hear you.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
I mean, that's the most important part.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
I've been a stickler my whole life about the news.
I mean, it's not like this.
I don't want them loud.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah, I don't want them jumping my street.
I don't need you, that's right.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
That's right, you don't need you, I Would you say,
the quietest bow in the marketwould be the one you'd pick too,
I feel like we're in court here.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
I mean kind of Me too .
I kind of feel like I wouldpick it based off quiet and
speed.

Speaker 4 (25:51):
What is the flattest shooting one right now?
Man, it's not always thefastest.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
That's why I'm asking You're opening another subject
I wanted to cover.
Okay.

Speaker 4 (26:01):
With arrows.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Yeah, well, this is cool too.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
I like that arrow case for one, for one, I like
the arrow case.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
It depends on what you're doing.
It depends on what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
I know you're digging that too.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
I know I was thinking okay, the arrow case is slick.
What will it take for thatthing to stay here?

Speaker 1 (26:16):
I was already bidding on it, so you're too late.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
This obviously is made by your brand.
Oh yeah, Matthews.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Have you seen these yet?
Designed well, have you playedwith them?

Speaker 2 (26:27):
So whatever diamond or arrows that you shoot, you'll
buy the insert that holds them.
Oh wow, separated, that wayyour fletchings aren't warpled
up.
You know, is that a word?

Speaker 4 (26:38):
I don't know, I don't know, but we can use it.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Well, you got a knock missing, so no, I don't, so I
wanted to go with that, you said.
You said what's the flattestshooting?
Well that depends on if you'rea 26 inch draw shooting 50
pounds, yeah.
So if y'all remember how y'allbeen shooting z7 days back then,
what did we shoot?
As far as arrows you eithershot, I shot gold, tip you shot

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a gold tip, a beaman, ics hunter6.5.
We're down in the 8.4 grains perinch days.
Now we've gone to the wholeother end of the spectrum with
the heavy arrows, right, right.
Well, all of a sudden, look atthe industry.
This year it's all white.
Look what they did.
This year we're going back tothe a little bit lighter setup
because we've gone one way toofar.

(27:22):
This is the new FMJ Max.
You've still got your FMJ, butit's lighter than the originals.
Who makes those?
Easton Easton.
So these are the two biggestarrows of the year, and you've
probably already seen it it'sthe Easton 5.0.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Hey, pass that down.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
And the Victory HLR.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
You know I went to a lighter setup this past season.
What did you go to?
Easton's?
I don't remember exactly whichEaston's what were they called
Easton's?
I see, but now I shot theseFletchins right there, same
Fletchins.
But now I shot these Fletchingsright there, same Fletchings.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Those are coming from the factory.
Everybody's ventured off intothe 2.6's and the 2.4's but you
know this is what we've alwaysseen.
You can't leave out the oldaltar here, buddy.
I think Levi Morgan killed awhole lot of deer With one arrow
last year, and those have been.
My youngest son shoots them and, trust me, he's proven them
tough now I went super lightwhat's that?

Speaker 3 (28:23):
five, or what was it?

Speaker 2 (28:24):
I don't have any skinny ones here.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Four mils, the smallest, yeah so I seen a four
millimeter last year at somepoint.
They were awesome, dude.
Just the fact that how smallthey were is like whoa, you know
yeah, they all penetrate.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
I mean I can't deny that.
Is it harder to stick a stickthrough a balloon or a pencil, I
mean a needle, you know aneedle, definitely easier makes
sense, don't it?
Yeah, makes sense, those makesense so it's the flattest
shooting one is it depends on ifyou're shooting targets or
shooting deer.
Yeah, that's how you rig it upthe lighter you get, the more
you can be all right.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
So if you had one bow , pick one arrow, one arrow what
would it be?

Speaker 2 (28:59):
it'd be a switchback xt baby.
Oh, what do you?
Mean and eastern axis five mil,really yeah, if they said hey
dude they're gonna shut thepower off of the country.
What bow are you gonna carrythe?

Speaker 4 (29:09):
zombie apocalypse.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
I'm that's.
Yeah, I'm a switch her name'slorraine.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
She's tune them.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
She's drawn some blood.
She's drawn some blood, Ipromise.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
My middle son's shooting it this year.
He said, Dad, I'm going toshoot Lorraine all year.
I'm like we'll see, but he's Beeasy with it he is he's
shooting it.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
You don't have to be easy, yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
XT or a regular switch.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
XT.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
You got new strings on it.
I think I put a few new stringson it.
I don't know what's left.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
You don't shoot it anymore.
No, she's hanging on the wall.
It's a phase four.
Now I have a phase four too.
Oh, whatever.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Green ambush yeah, and then Mama has a tan and
black.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Lift, lift.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
Lift Really.
Yeah, it's like a two-tone.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
Yeah, she had to get a newer one, oh she got the
faded black.
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
Yeah, she shot her first buck last year with it.

Speaker 4 (30:10):
Found the saddle, found your saddle, the other
Check that out.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Let's get back on this thing.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
I was going to show you all this keeps your arrows
from getting on, that's anawesome kit, dude.
And it fits in your case.
So what is this?
It's called the vault.
It'll hold all your arrows.
You put opposite ends that way,you're not jamming them in your
case.
Everybody has a soft case.
They throw them in their caseand they come in.
My arrows are kicking.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
I'm like have you looked at your fletchings.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
They look like you slept on them.
That's pretty neat.
Man, that's awesome.
That case right there, I'mgoing to have to give me one of
those for sure.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
I got to give McPherson that he comes up with
the coolest stuff.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
I mean that is nice.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Lead by an example at his finest, right there for
yeah, show me, show me tattoos.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
See, look at that, look at.
He knew about it.
He already said that.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
So we have a banner at our old house.
We have a banner like a bigbanner maybe was it a four by
eight banner.
It's like a matthews logo inthe center and it's got me with
my matthews mission like on theside.
I'm like cut off sleeve shirtand, uh, he's got his.
I forgot what you had, and myuncle, he had his matthews and
we're all like posed up in it.
Probably switch back.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
Yeah, I think it was switched back actually dude,
that's funny because I got apicture in my phone let's go get
that banner and bring it backmy son's first bow tournament
was at a tournament and he wonit.
He was a shooting little jokerand he had a little cutoff shirt
on, you see how fun bow huntingis for people.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
You you know, just for us talking about it.
I mean, we got several guns,but we don't get shit about guns
.
You know, guns aren't near ascool man it's the bows, but
that's special kind of peoplethough.

Speaker 4 (31:46):
It's not everyday people.
I heard you say something abouty'all shoot 3D up there.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
There's still 3D tournaments going on up there in
your area there's still one ofhot springs county and yeah, oh
yeah, you can get on.
You know, uh, arkansasbowhunter association and, and
people post up when they'regonna have them.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
We just be everywhere .

Speaker 2 (32:03):
I know every weekend yeah, and it's a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
It's just the people don't it's kind of like going
fishing.
Do you see it dying, or or isit growing?

Speaker 2 (32:10):
I don't think it's gonna die yeah, I really don't,
I don't think it's gonna die butis crazy.
It's just like motorcycles andthe popularity of a street bike.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
You know, they go.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
It's like the turkeys they go and they come back,
they go and they come back.
But it's so fun and right now,at the stage of my boys and
their life, you know where weare and we just started shooting
NASP.
You know at school, and that'sanother thing, man, I had no
idea.
I would love it so much.
You know helping kids andteaching them, because I think

(32:39):
everybody needs the opportunity.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Well, you have to.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
So what is the you got to teach our man?

Speaker 3 (32:43):
how to hunt.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
So go ahead and explain that for people that
don't know, because a lot ofpeople hear that and don't know
what that is.
Explain that, the program whereyou go, and you Archery in the
Schools program?
Yeah, Go explain that.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yeah Well, matthews has a Genesis bow and they
started this gosh on the spothere.
I don't know what year, butanyway, it's just like shooting
trap at school or anything else,but people aren't taking the
time to do it.
Right, but I didn't.
It's such a diverse group.
Anybody can shoot, right?
You don't have to be thecoolest, you know.
You don't have to, you know I'msaying the smartest.

(33:24):
It doesn't matter, but it's soneat to watch kids grow and be a
part of something and they gainso much self-confidence
literally you I mean you they'll, they'll be start out
withdrawing.
You know, yeah, and then in afew weeks they're.
I've got reports back fromprincipals and teachers like I
don't know what's going on downthere.
But they're really independentnow.
They really want to take charge.
I'm like, yeah, we got to letthem do something.
We can't do everything for thekids.
We got to let them fall downand scrape their knee and figure

(33:45):
out hey, let's keep going.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Right.
But anyway it's just awesomeFor sure it's definitely a good
thing to have in the schools too.
Like you know, with the waytechnology is now, it's kind of
misdirecting kids fromnecessarily going outside and
doing this, doing like we grewup doing, to where now you can
stay inside and just do endlessthings with the way technology

(34:06):
is, you know.
So it's like getting them inthe schools doing that at a
young age, getting them exposedto it like possibilities that
are actually out there, isalways good.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
That's a good point.
It doesn't even have anythingto do with anything.
If you take your phone awayfrom your kid, you give them
three days.
They're gonna be out the yardplaying on their age level
because they're gonna do abeautiful thing they're gonna do
something.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
It is like yeah, you know mama and briggs is out in
the woods right now, yeah,feeding the feeders up and
checking cameras and stuff.
But you know it's reallyimportant to keep the kids out
in the woods because, like yousaid, technology is like running
.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Yeah, I mean, it just takes attention, spans away,
you know because technology justchanges.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
Like y'all still have technology.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
No, it ruins it.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
Y'all have cameras on every tree.
Y'all got technology.
What I'm saying is thoughthat's more technology what I'm
saying is though that's moretechnology.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
I'm saying with a kid like, would he rather sit on
the couch and play a game?
A tablet baby, let's talk abouttablet babies, or go outside
and shoot a bow.
That's so important.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
What would be more beneficial physically, mentally
for the kid to develop how toplay a new game on his tablet,
or go learn how to shoot a bow?

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Yeah, I agree with that.
I I mean it's out of control,pound for pound, if you go to a
restaurant and you look at allthe families and restaurants.
Everybody's looking at theirtelephone yeah, it's out of
control.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Here's the problem.
None of us ever meant to gethere.
It just takes one bite at atime until we're totally and and
we're all.
I'm guilty.
You know what I?
We all are, we're all guilty ofnot stopping what we're doing
and taking time.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Yeah it is, and bow hunting.
That's what's so special aboutbow hunting.
If somebody just got into bowhunting, they're chasing the
animal.
They got to get close to theanimal.
It's more than just sitting ina box stand with a gun Teaching
you patience.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
I've taken people that did.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
They were successful, successful and they didn't
continue to do it, and that'sokay.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
I don't know how you can't get addicted, but for the
most part it's so personableit's so personal, you know you
take you take guys who hunt withhog dogs, you know, and you
then you got the guys who stickthem, you know, that was the big
thing like.
Oh, it's more personal, youknow that's the way it is.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
You think that you think it's because it's more
deer now it's easier.
It is easier to bow hunt now,and it was 15, 20, 30 years ago.
I remember when I was a kid.
Well, I remember when I was akid, you know, grandpa sent me
on a deer stand a whole lot lesspeople out there 15 years ago.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
Yeah, I know, but we were shooting spikes back there.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
Remember Remember they had.
I miss shooting spikes.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
I do too.
I miss it bad, not caring whatit was.
Look how far we've takeneverything.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
I know, and it's never enough, it's never enough,
grandpa took me out there, setme on a deer stand.
It was cold as shit.
Okay, I had no walls.

Speaker 4 (36:53):
I had nobody here.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
No window.
I had no cell phone service.
I didn't have a cell phone.
I think back then we had bagphones.
Grandpa didn't have a cellphone, for sure.

Speaker 4 (37:05):
He had the big mud grip tires on the back and
street tires on the front.
My grandpa did too, square bodyChevrolet, old square body
Chevrolet, you know that's howwe learned to deer hunt back
then.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
It's not like that, no more.
You take your kid out there andif they don't kill a deer that
day, they're disappointed.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
It's because this instant gratification world we
live in.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
I know it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
And then you get on social media and you see all
these people killing, all theirphotos of all the deer and stuff
they're killing.
You're like lost.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
You're like I'm not seeing any deer.
If we could compare our successand our daily anythings to
everybody else, we'd be a lothappier.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
I was going to say anything, not just hunting
anything, Everything yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
I think if they just take away social media for a
little bit, everybody would behappier.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Have a little reboot, yes, like what would happen I?

Speaker 4 (37:46):
thought Trump was going to hook us up In the short
term.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
I mean what would happen?
Say you went three months andno social media.
Be like the instant effect toit.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
You would grow so close with your family closer
than I know like you know,you're a nice guy and everything
, but I don't care what you eatfor dinner.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
Don't post that shit, you ain't gotta worry about me,
you know what I'm saying likenobody really cares.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Like if you go out on the beachand you everybody's dressing in
white t-shirts and everything,I don't care to see that picture
, because I'm working, I'm gladyou're having fun, don't post a
picture.
I don't give a shit, you know.
So I think I think a lot of thesociety it's just gotten used to
facebook and it's just ruiningeverything it's absolutely, it's

(38:28):
definitely had an impact yeah,yeah, because it's hard to
convince a kid to pick a bow upover his tablet until you take
the time and show them, and thenthey don't care.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
It takes that right.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
It takes the right father to drag us out in the
woods that's why I love my job.
Yeah, I love my job, you canmake a difference like that, and
that's that's.
That's awesome.
You can make a difference and Ican inspire other people.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
That's right to help.
To help kids, not just kids.
Yeah, grown men man they needto stick a deer too.
They need to know what it'slike oh, I know it.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
I mean, and the more people in the sport you know
you're going to secure, thelonger it'll be there.
You know, I mean because itseems like nowadays everybody
wants to share their gold minewith everybody else.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
No, I don't want to share nothing.
I want you, somebody else, toearn it, right know.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
I do want to talk about why people should come to
a pro shop.
Yeah, I mean, what's thereasons.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
I know why I would go to a pro shop.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
I mean what's the most like.
The main reason of that Likewhy are you saying that?

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Well, I see people I think people who don't know
anything about it, who areinterested in it, have like,
well, I'm a grown-up and I don'tknow anything about it, so
they're going to go and try andresearch and do their own thing
and they're going to go buy abox store bow.
It probably doesn't fit them,or they're going to buy one from
somebody that doesn't fit them.
What is a box store bow?
I mean a big chain store or theBass Pro Shop.

(39:52):
Not that they don't sell goodstuff, I'm just saying they
think well, I could just buythis whole thing right here for
whatever I got you.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
And then it doesn't fit them, or in two weeks of
shooting.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
They want to come buy a better quality.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
So you want to talk about a corporate style big
store versus the family ownedsmall store.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Well, a pro shop is small, it is, but the thing is.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
He's talking about more of a custom Make the bow
fit the person.
So why is a small shopimportant.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
It's very important, it is very important.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
I see it too.

Speaker 4 (40:22):
I think those guys are going to be.
They can dial it in exactly tofit you?

Speaker 3 (40:25):
Yeah, and they're willing to work with the
customer.
You know a little more hands-on100%.
We have the same issue withdealers too.
We same issue with dealers too.
We have our dealers are smalldealers.
They're more hands-on than wegot these mega dealers.
Then you get, you get thesespecial mega dealers are special

(40:46):
, but they're very, very.
they're hard to find, you know,but I can see where in our, in
our world, our small dealers isgoing to give you the best
customer service.
They're going to take care ofthe customer at all costs and
they're going to have your backthe most because they depend on
the manufacturer so much.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Right right, right, yeah, to a fault.
I care, I care too much.
I mean, I really do like,literally I do too.
That's Tim.
I can't let something go If Isee even the smallest thing, and
you didn't ask me for that.

Speaker 4 (41:14):
I have to do it.
My name is on it.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
It's not about my pride either.
I want you to know that this iswrong with your bow.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
Please let me fix it.
Do you know why you're stuck inthis little vicious little deal
you deal with your whole life.
You know why you're stuck inthat?
Because your age group is mixedup with the technology.
That's why you struggle with it.
People that are born after youor whatever that's more adapted
to the technology, can just letit go, but you don't.
You still have handshake morals, you still have the one-on-one

(41:47):
business sense and you're mixingit with people that are just on
the Internet.
I struggle with it every day.
Some people don't care aboutcertain things, but we do.
We care about everythingbecause we do.
We worry about what the peoplethink.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Right I mean, if you come in, I want to sell you.
If you want to buy something,that's fine, but if you came in,
you had a uh, even earlier thana switchback.
If you had an old bow and youwere ashamed, don't be ashamed,
come in there, let me.
Let's put a new string on it.
I can make it feel brand new.
Yeah, I'm not here just to sellyou something, right?
I'm here to serve you.
I got you and your needs.
That's why you need to come toa pro shop.

(42:23):
That's your age.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
That's your age, it's not.
I'm the same way.
I want to make sure you'rehappy.
Not necessarily I mean what Ineed to do to help you, but most
like you talk about going tobow shops and going to big bows.
They just try to sell yousomething they don't give shit.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Well, now we're all jaded, yeah, you know, in
society today because we feellike not everybody's a
chick-fil-a.
Yeah, it'd be my pleasure toserve you.
You know, I want to be thechick-fil-a bow shops.
That's right.
I want you to understand I'mnot just doing this to be
somebody or you know what I'msaying.
I want you to really understandthat I want to help you.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
I don't know how you would market yourself.
Just I can't tell people howyou actually want to serve
people.
It's, it's.
I can show you.
I can't tell you it'simpossible.
I don't know how you do it.
I deal with it all the time,too.
One person at a time yeah, youjust do your repeat, uh, your
your repeat buyers is what iswhat keeps you going and that's

(43:18):
what makes you who you are isrepeats.
That's your one-offs Right.
Same way with us.
We have customers that buy fiveor six Havoc boats and they're
all repeat customers.
That's when you know you'redoing something right.
And another thing I wrote onhere you got a little notes over
there, a few, not me.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Notes None of of the, you know.
But you need to come to a shopbecause we're going to address
you specifically and set you upand even if, even if you bought
one somewhere else, you're goingto end up bringing it to me and
I'm gonna have to set it up foryou, right, for you.
You know, I'm saying yeah, Iwould say 90 of the population
that shoots a wrist release isshooting too long a release.
There's no point in having abow set at your draw length.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
It's funny you say that because I always look at
mine and I have a scotch releasethat I've shot from the
beginning.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
The scotch.
Yeah, from the beginning.
It needs to hit you about righthere in the opening, and it
does.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
It does.
It's real short and I got mineout of the case the other day
and I was flicking around.
I've had this thing for yearsI'm talking about since I was 12
.
I love my release.
Since I was 12, you know, and Istarted flicking and I'm like,
oh man, just don't flick likeyou used to and I don't want to
go buy a new release because I'mlike this one's special to me.
You know, every deer I've everkilled been with this release.
Squirt it with some rib oil.

(44:31):
I've tried.
It's just so wore down, dude,it's so it's so wore down well,
look at this old turd, I'mtelling you and I'm see I don't
really want to go to somethinglike this.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
You know right there, if you ain't never shot one,
we'll bust your nose I've triedit.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
I've tried it, I've shot it before we got them.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
Actually we got them.
You got a hinge, I mean.
I mean we have several I'veshot tournaments with them.

Speaker 4 (44:52):
I mean, I could shoot them.
It's just we try to use them.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
But it's just like man, I just gotta be careful
that scares me.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
I flinch wrong, it goes off first click yeah this
one's got some wear and tear onit.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Use it, use it much huh, you use it much it's the
floor about 10 times a day yeah,it's got some wear and tear on
it.
See, I just my thing is like Idon't want to drop it out of the
tree, I don't want to leave iton the loop because it'll fall
off.
And the next thing I know I'mlike how do they make them with
the strap?

Speaker 2 (45:21):
I don't know, it goes right here.
Yeah, brandon, I just don'twant to get rid of my, they got
technology.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Quit making excuses.

Speaker 4 (45:31):
No, I still use a wrist it ain't like the clampers
, the old clamps that clampsdown on them, or nothing like
that.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
Here you want the true balls.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
short, and sweet, and that's another thing I run into
in the shop.
People come in and theirbuddies told them they need to
do something.
And they come in and they feellike maybe I'm a few years
behind, maybe I need to go learnthis, and then they don't want
to change.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
They don't want to change anything.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
That's me, the peer pressure around them has forced
them to try.
So I'm like don't change.
They're like really I shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
I'm like, no, I mean if you have a hard time killing
the deer you become no, thenwhat?
What's the problem?
What they're doing, yeah Idon't understand this I mean in
your, in your opinion, thatrelease versus, uh, like a
pressure release versus, youknow, the trigger release.
I mean, is it worth trying tolearn a new release style if

(46:19):
you're successful with thetrigger release?

Speaker 2 (46:21):
No, because every release you shoot should be shot
the same way.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
Listen to me, they're all back tensions technically.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Technically yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Everybody needs to go back to the KISS method.
Keep it simple.
Stupid right Everything.
Think about it.
Kiss method.
Keep it simple stupid.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
Think about it.
Kiss method, kiss the flesh,keep it simple, stupid.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
You know the kiss method so nobody is letting
their bow shoot anymore.
Everybody's shooting their bow.
They're all punching and that'sokay.
It's okay to be a commandshooter it really is.
But you've got to understand.
You know Well, I talked aboutit with you earlier.

Speaker 4 (46:55):
It's not accurate though.
It is accurate.
Not like it can be.
Not like with a back tension.
It's different.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
This gets you back.
My daughter, all my kids, haveshot a hen since they were three
.
They can lot of hands.
Since they were three they canshoot any release.
And it's because I've poundedthe fundamentals and fun, the
physicals and this joel term andsay, or whoever it was, let the
bow shoot.
You know, if we're shootingrifles on a caldwell let's lid,
are you gonna look at it and gobam, no, no, you're not.

(47:22):
You're gonna reach around thereand you're just gonna squeeze
it because the caldwell let'slet's got it right, right and
you want it to go off whileyou're looking.
You want your bow to go offwhile you're aiming, not because
you aimed once.
So the let off is so high onthese and the efficiency is so
awesome on these bows now thatwe don't even realize.
You take an old switchback thathas a spongy back wall, it has

(47:44):
high let off, but it's nothinglike these bows.
Now you go outside, outside,and you realize, wow, I've got
to hold this thing back and youyou finish your shot, didn't
even think about it, because youhad to hold it.
You had to hold it till itbroke, even if you punched it.
You get a new bow and it hashigh, let off rock solid back
walls.
You know you have you pulledone back.
That was like so solid andrigid it felt like if you moved

(48:06):
back here it was moving thefront too.
That's what people do.
They get home with that new bowand it's like I can't shoot a
group with this.
I'm like, well, come up hereand let's talk about it.
And usually they'll have awrist release.
What do we do with the wristrelease?
When we draw our bow back?
We hang on with these fingersat full draw.
What do you do?
You're still hanging on thesefingers.
You got a kink between yourelbow and your arrow if we we

(48:26):
open that up, look it levels out, gets straight with your arrow,
then we're going back to thecorrect way to shoot.
If you put all that tension onthis, finger instead of these
guess what happens and wesqueeze it.
Quit looking at the pin moving.
Quit looking at the pin moving.
Look at your spot.
Cover your target with thetrash bag.
Dude, please Go home and coverit.

(48:48):
Quit aiming at dots.
The middle is the middle.
Your eyes can see it A deer.
Don't have dots.
The dot will give you targetpanic so bad.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
Yeah, ain't never lying If you're already
struggling it.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
cover it up with a black trash bag and back up and
shoot it.
Start at 10 yards.
I want you to think about it.
Okay, tim, today I'm not goingto hammer it, I'm just going to
look at it and I'm going tosqueeze it like a rifle and it's
going to go off and you're likewhew, that was fun, I did it.
Start working your way back.
The target doesn't change itssize.

(49:21):
It's the same size at 10 feetas it is at 100 yards.
It's our doubt.
Our doubt is what makes usscrew up?
If you think you're gonna screwup on a big buck, guess what
you're gonna do.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
screw up you're not gonna take enough time I've been
thinking about that shit assoon as he walks in, oh, shit.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
What can I do to ruin this?

Speaker 4 (49:37):
you're probably thinking he's probably never
gonna come over here and hestarts coming over here like, oh
my gosh, I better, here hecomes don't screw up.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
I'm gonna have to, actually, I'm gonna have to
actually draw back on them.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Oh well, no, but the fundamentals of the shooting is
we've forgotten, technology'sgot so advanced it has, and it's
funny because I'm not gonnacram that down somebody's throat
, but I'm gonna show themaccidentally how they're
anticipating it and that'swhat's making them miss the mark
did you know that that's what'smaking them miss the mark.

(50:08):
You know what?
You know that that's a.
That sin is sin is an archeryterm sin is archery term yeah,
it means to miss the mark, yeahbut anyway look at there, let
your bow shoot.
Quit trying to shoot your bow,that's right.
It can out shoot us.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
It makes 100 sense the way you're putting it,
though, because I could see howespecially somebody getting into
bow hunting now gets a new bow.
New technology how they mightwould be way off of the
fundamentals they need to have,you know, because the technology
does so much for you, versuslike old technology actually a
beginner.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
A beginner and I say this.
I tell people all the time ifsomebody come in and they look
like a newborn giraffe, you knowthey have, know if they can
pull the bow back, but they havehorrible form and everything
else if I tell them, no matterwhat, just squeeze the trigger,
they can shoot a group at 16yards.
That will blow your mind.
You're like how are they doingthat?
Because they look like they'relike this.
You know it's because they'reactually squeezing it until it

(51:02):
goes off and not worrying aboutthe movement.
They're just looking at whatthey want to hit.
We've gotten so far away fromthat.
We we want to hit that andtrying to hit that.
We're missing this big yeah Ican see that it's not well, you
know.
They say aim small, miss small.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
You know, aim small, miss small.
Aim small, miss small.
That's what everybody's heardtheir whole lives.
Aim small, miss small.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
You've probably seen this before, but if this is your
pin, you'll see everybody.
If you're sitting on your deerstand and you draw back on a
squirrel, and I don't care ifit's 50 yards, you can sit there
.
You know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
Y'all have all done it.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
You can sit there and be like dude I could hit him in
the eyeball.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
And now, if I was in your ear and I said, put your
finger on the trigger, you'd gocome right down below him every
time and then the trigger you'dbe like trying to get it back up
.
But if I said, take your fingeroff the trigger and just aim at
him, you go right back to it.
That's made to a T.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Why is?

Speaker 2 (51:52):
that it's doubt.
Why can you walk across a twoby four on a floor, but if I put
it up in the air you're likewhoa same two by four.

Speaker 4 (51:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
You can run across that thing.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
That makes sense.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
It's the doubt.
I think you're a doubter, dude,I think I'm a doubter, debbie,
debbie, doubter, that's just it.
Cover your target up and quitputting dots on it.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
That makes sense.
Aim at the middle.
I do have target panic.
That's why I quit shooting.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
We all have it.
Really.
Did it scare you?
No, just target panic, no, itliterally scared him.
I started aiming for the 12ring, 12 ring, oh, it'll make
you want to quit.
I remember having myfive-year-old son pull my
trigger for me to make sure mypin got right.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
I don't understand how that made you quit.
It's just, I got target pain.
You didn't realize you justneed to practice, or something.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Did you wake up with night?

Speaker 4 (52:38):
terrors.
You couldn't practice no more.
We shot every day, 200 errors aday, and you, just, you just
could not do it.
It I think it was the dot.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Did you wake up with night terrors?

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Here's how it happens .
Here's how it happens.
How does it happen.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
You start out, okay, without panic, right, you can
just aim at it and let it happen.
Well, the further back we goand the better we get, the more
that pressure builds and you'relike you know, you start timing
it.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
It's just what we do you start timing?

Speaker 2 (53:10):
start timing when you start timing it boom, boom.
Well, guess what?
When you start timing it, youstart going faster and faster
and faster, to the point whereyou can't even aim at the target
anymore.
You're literally aiming below adeer target like oh my gosh and
you start going, oh my gosh,and you'll just probably just
run through it and you, youdon't even care anymore.
And then you get mad.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
You gotta do that with a deer.
It sounds like a mental.
A deer does not do it An animaldoes not do it.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
Everybody does it.
Listen to me.
It's so hard to coach NASParchery.
There's no sights, but thetarget panic is just as big.
It doesn't matter.
That's what's wrong with tradshooters too.
It's trusting the process andletting it happen.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
It happens.
So how do you get out of that?
So do you?
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
First off, you've got to dig deep.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Oh my God, it's like going to the gym, if you ever
get in this hole.
Are we talking?

Speaker 1 (53:59):
about going to the gym.

Speaker 4 (54:04):
Scoot up, I mean y' deer all day long.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
I don't have it, but I don't want it.
So did you hear what I said aminute ago?
I remember my oldest son waslike five or six and right
before season opened I hadtarget panic so bad I even had a
bag with a dot on it that Iwould make him squeeze my
trigger for me at every yard tocheck my pins.
I wouldn't do that on a deer Iwas killing like, but a target.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
I had target panic so bad, and I know I know guys
that can shoot targets good,can't hit a deer.
You know you're like the fourthperson that brought up target
panic to me now.
I must not shoot enough, oh no,I don't think I shoot enough to
have to.
Even y'all are making me so wejust shoot a lot like every I
imagine target panic comeswhenever you're really beating
it in there like boom, boom,boom boom, like shooting a bunch
.
Do you want?

Speaker 2 (54:45):
to know if you have it or not.
Y'all get home and pull yourbow back and say, hey, dad, pull
my trigger.
And you tell him say, tell mewhen you're ready.
And he's going to say okay, andyou'll see him tense up.
He'll be like, wait a minute,okay, I'm ready.
Whoop, whoop.

Speaker 4 (55:14):
I mean, I really don't feel like I have it, and
you're probably gonna tell methis was where I messed up at,
because it's real smooth and Ibreathe good, I mean.
But when we shoot a lot we'dget dark, we'd blow up balloons,
get them about this big around,put them on the target, put a
flashlight on it, back up 100yards, and that's when I started
noticing we'd hit, we'reshooting them.
We'd put five out of six in apie plant at 100.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Yeah, that's a good.
That's a good thing becauseyou'll have you'll have some
coaches say that you shouldn'tbe practicing far.
And then you'll have some saywell, actually, before I go to
the shot 3d, we do that once ayear.
You know, it's kind of like atag.
It's really cool.
It's really cool, y'all shouldgo do it.
Anyway.
They have it at mulberry everyyear mulberry mountain fun.

(55:47):
Anyway, the week before i'm'mlike I never get to shoot
because I'm still busy.
I'm busy that time of year.
I'm like oh my gosh, this yearI just cut it all out.
I walk back to 100 and I startat 100.
Your groups will be like add ablack bag with no dots.
That's what I aim at.
They'll start out pretty bigand then it's like being under a

(56:09):
microscope man.
It's like being on slow-mo.
You're like whoa, you don'tthink you do something to have
somebody video you in slow-mo.
You're like oh man, I did dothat, you know, but by myself I
can't video myself.
But shooting at 100 yards, Iknow what I did.
I didn't, I didn't wait on it,I didn't let it happen, I forced
it.
And every time you force ityou're forcing it off.
You don't know it happen.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
I forced it, and every time you force it you're
forcing it off.
You don't know it.
Hmm, it's really fun.
Man Dad, do you think you gottarget?

Speaker 3 (56:34):
panic, what are you thinking about Shockley?

Speaker 4 (56:35):
you're thinking shit, he's thinking about his target
panic.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
I'm thinking about going and painting my target
black.
Just get a target.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
I haven't seen Shockley's head a lot Haunted me
for so long I have it bad.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
But I don't.
How do you know you still haveit, though you haven't shot in a
while, you haven't shot in along time.
So I mean, how do you know youstill have it?
I mean, don't go away.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
You can tell when somebody's fixing to shoot.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
Dude, you can tell he has it.
You're terrified, God.
I hope I don't get this targetfriction.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Y'all are making this sound scary.
Damn it.

Speaker 4 (57:09):
We used to want to put 12 in.
That beer can right there.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
Yeah, but I can tell you still have it.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
Yeah it's like PTSD with you dude.
So everybody has it People justdon't know it.
Seriously, I probably have it,I just don't know it, I know you
have it, I know he has it, Ihave it, can you?

Speaker 4 (57:26):
pull your bow back, hold it on something.
Just sit there and hold it fortwo minutes in one spot with
your finger on the trigger.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
I do believe.
So, yes, well then, you ain'tgot it.
I mean, I feel like I'm notrushed by no means you ain't got
it severe.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
You probably got it I probably.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
yeah, we all have it.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
So me there are people out there that are
struggling with it.
People will quit shooting theirbows because of it.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Single person shopping.
There's so much self-help outthere.
But you're right, you've got toreach out.
But you're right, I mean you'reboth.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Don't be ashamed to come to the shop and say, hey,
dude, I need help.
That's what I was going toearlier.
Is've got too much pride towalk in and say I don't know
what I'm doing.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
I did that with B Scott when he used to get in a
slump and play baseball.
I'd buy him a new bat and he'dhit the ball.
Was that, is that something?
You just changed his, hismindset, you know Like.
So you think people buy stuffbecause they shoot bad?

Speaker 2 (58:24):
You can't buy your game, okay.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
All right, 100%.
It worked on B Scott a littlebit.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
It's just a Band-Aid on a bullet hole.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
Yeah, you're right, always is Do you see people
doing that, though People.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Oh yeah, how many guys you know that play golf?
They're going to have the bestclub.
They still can't hit a driver.

Speaker 4 (58:44):
But they're going to have the best driver.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
I know what you're talking about Like they never
hit the driver down the middle.

Speaker 4 (58:48):
anyway, he just got all the cool stuff.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Pretty good set of gloves?

Speaker 1 (58:55):
I know a guy.
I know a guy.
It would be so much better offif it was just in iron.
Well, what's funny is I'm theguy with the good driver.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
Yeah, but you can drive the ball good, you just
can't drive it straight.
You can't, you cannot buy yourgame your anchor point's way off
, dude.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
I got fairway panic.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
No, you got T panic, t panic.
Now you have an excuse it'scalled target panic.
It's a mental thing I'm goingthrough.
Hold your head still, look atthe ball.
Hey, look at the ball, justlike shooting your bow.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
You can't hit the ball off a tee if you're moving
your head.
I need your bow to go off, soyou don't look at your pins.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
You see them.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
You just see the target, then you see the pins.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Your pin is just going to float.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
It's just going to float.
So don't focus on your pin.
Focus on the target.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
If you focus on that pin movement, you're just going
to screw it up.
You're trying to time it.
I think I do get target back.
Are you looking to pen?
He's the actor.
Yeah, everybody does.
I think I think we startholding our breath, we start
tension our muscles trying toget it more still and like oh
well, that's as good as it'sgonna get.
And bam, you know close enough,he's breaking.

Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
I got blood I don't know, I think I might hit him
high I feel like I've beentalking to a shrink all morning.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Because here's what happens.
We go like this, that's goodenough, and then you think, just
hammer it, and if you saw slowmotion, you'll see this finger
go, whew bam.
It has to go all the way aroundand then, smack it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
You're right, I see what you're saying.
Yeah, I see what you're saying.
I think that I think I'mscrewed.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
No, you don't.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
You don't just punch those.
You can make them go off.
You can make a thumb trigger gooff, if I rip this release.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
I'm going to shoot to the left this much, and if
that's at 100 yards it's thismuch.

Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
You can do it at any release.
You can punch them.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
It's always going to be left, though, so what would
you recommend for say somebody'slistening and they got target
panic as bad as Shockley does?
First thing you do is put agarbage bag on top of Target.
Garbage bag on top of Target.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Yeah see ya and how close they need to go to it.
Take your side off your bow.
What the fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Okay, we're going to wait.
That's way too far, way too far, and then scoot up.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
And learn to shoot, just feeling it yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:01:06):
You got to feel it.
You got to feel it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
You don't feel it.
If you're not feeling this,you're right.
If you don't feel it, thenyou're not.
You're refusing to try and makeyourself better.
You're right.
Close your eyes, look at yourrelease, hold it so close to the
target you can't miss and watchit go off.
Watch it go off.
Let somebody pull your triggerOnce, once your brain relearns
what it's supposed to feel like.
You have trust issues withyourself.

(01:01:29):
You don't trust yourself.
Golly, you're breaking this waydown.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
I mean, it's the truth.
You don't trust yourself,shockline.
I've had people pull thetrigger.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
It's weird, it's not, you can do it.
You can do it right now atpoint blank range.
You can do it at 10 steps.
But when we back up to 20 yards, you're going to be like oh,
you're going to go right back tohammering.
You're like dang it.
Then you've got to move back upand start over, because every
time you move back.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
How long does it take to get out of that?

Speaker 4 (01:01:54):
You don't.
You get better.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
You get better.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Once you have it you cope with it You're always going
to be a sinner brother.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
That's what I'm not understanding here is like is
this such a mental hurdle thatyou figure out about yourself
that you just never get over it?
Cause that's what y'all aremaking it seem like you just
cope with it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
No, you get better you wax and wane man, you get
good, I mean you always.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
So let me get this straight there's no, not ever
having it, you always have it,you have it there's guys who
don't have it, but they can getit.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
So once you get it, you never lose it.
Dude, it's just like this, youget three strikes.
I'm telling you right now, I'veseen somebody talk about this.

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
You get three strikes just like baseball.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
You can be fine and rip it one time If you don't let
those next ones break.
If you command it the nextthree times, you're done.
I'll tell you if you get onlineand watch them guys shooting
indoors.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
It's such a big deal.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
You can see them.
If you see them start blinkingfast.
They're trying to put aBand-Aid on a bullet hole
because they're anxious about it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
It's dot shooters.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
If you see them start blinking real fast, it's not
because they can't see.
Your brain has to rethink everytime it has to refocus and
refocus and refocus.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
This is such a big phenomenon that's going on that
I never knew about.
Such a big deal.
I feel like so you're sayingthere's people that don't have
it and they're good, but then,once you have it, you're stained
with this.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
What makes somebody good shooting a bow?

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Is it consistency?
Yes, cons 100 discipline, notcaring what you think if I was
gonna shoot dude, like when yougo to qualify for the village
hunt.
Are these urban hunts right?
Good hunters, man?
Some of them don't make it inbecause they got 250 guys
watching them shoot three arrowsat 20 yards in the zone of a
target.
Like what I can heart.
Shoot a deer every time, butman, I can't stand on a stage.
All these people watching me,what?

(01:03:58):
How come people can't be goodspeakers?

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
the fear, the fear of sucking you know mental game of
sucking fear of missing thedeer.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
The doubt I thought you could write a book over the
mental game of bow hunting.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
I can't, but there was already a bunch of them out
there, he struggled with it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
He's trying to figure it out because he's an
overthinker.
That's how he's gotten to wherehe is now with it as deep of an
understanding as you haveyou're like one with the target
panic.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
It applies to everything we do, though he's a
bow whisperer, if you wereshooting a slingshot, it applies
to.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
that Makes perfect sense.
I'm getting it now.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
You make a valid point.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
I understand.
So there's one thing that youcan do.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
There's one thing that you can do Think about your
elbow.
If you want to clean your shotup, open these back fingers up
and open these back fingers up,and that way it transfers Any
weight.
That's going to go is going togo on your trigger, not here.
Open it up, hook your fingeraround it and if you're thinking
about shooting your back elbowis going to go right before you

(01:05:02):
hammer it.
But if you pick your finger orhook around your release and
back elbow goes up and back andyou just keep aiming and you
everybody forgets to push.
These things have 90% let off.
We don't have to do thisanymore, but that's why we got
target panic so bad.
You know if you'll build thepressure between the front of
your bow and the back.

(01:05:23):
Just do it from point blank,man, like when you feel it.
You'd be like whoa, I'm a pro.
Every time you're like dang,this is awesome, right.
But then you're like I'm goingto do this all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
In a tree.
That's where the disciplinecomes.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
I love school archery dude.
This NASP I used to.
I got to admit I used to makefun of it because we were 3D
shooters.
I'm like man, it's cornyArchery.
In schools they shoot at 10meters or 15 meters.
No, get 60 kids to understandit.
You got to come up with 60different ways to get these kids
to understand to trust the spot.
Do they ever trust the spot?

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
Do they ever trust many kids?
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
My son.
It was his first year to shootman.
He won two state titles.
He finished Eastern Nationalsat Louisville.
He shot a .298 out of .300 butthere were a four-way tie For a
first that shot .299.
I was like dude, it's rightthere.
Like last year At EasternNationals, .297 won the whole
thing.
He ended up fourth or fifth AtMyrtle Beach At World.

(01:06:27):
It was cool, yeah, but so I?
You ended up fourth or fifth atMyrtle Beach at World.
It was cool, yeah, but so Ifocused this year my focus.
I can't be talking about thison here, can't weigh my secrets.
Well, I mean I focus on themental aspects of it with the
kids.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
You're an educator.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
I have to?
Does that mean I have to tellall yes?

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
Pretty much Tough shit.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
So Okay, tell all, yes, pretty much tough shit.
So okay, and then ask there's a.
There's a 11 steps to archerysuccess.
And people ask me like, how areyou getting these kids to do
that?
I'm like, the 11 steps toarchery success.
It's right in front of you,it's like the bible dude.
It told us how to live and nowwe're struggling because we're
not following the way.
You know, I don't know justlook at the read, the directions
.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
Right, it's right there, dude, right, just read
the directions.
Right, it's right there, dude,you're right about that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Read the directions 100% true.
We all want to do it our ownway, and that is what I tell.
And even at the bow shop,people come in.
I'm like, listen to me, I'mgoing to teach you the simplest
things right, and if you stickto it, it's not mine, it's the

(01:07:31):
people who've gone before us theway like do it this way.
This is the way the male pridegoes.
You know what I like to do thisright, we add something to it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
Well, guess where that leads way off.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Yeah, yeah, we're gonna start blaming everybody.
That guy that told me I targetpanic?
No, it ain't the guy.
It's my bow, it's my arrows.
No, it's not.
It's remember back when youdecided to do your own thing.
That's right.
That's where the problem lies,just lack's just a lack of
discipline.
Go back take your stuff off andstart over.
Follow the guidebook.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
It really doesn't matter what bow you buy.

Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
No, the technology's there.
You don't have target panicwith any of them.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
I didn't know you had target panic.
Everybody has it To that degree, to that degree.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
No, we've obviously, you know, just learned about
Shockley's severe case of targetpanic.
You think target panic?

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
But it's only dots drives the industry for revenue,
like I believe.
It's like people get so caughtup in this they just buy, buy,
buy, buy, buy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
I don't know though, because, listen as a guy, that
hasn't been so into.
I guess the industry asdetailed as like now I'm
starting to figure out about allthis stuff.
I didn't necessarily know itwas such a big deal.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Archery's not about being better than somebody else.
You've got to remember whatit's about.
It's about being better thanyou were last time.

Speaker 4 (01:08:47):
I don't know.
I've shot in many tournamentsand I wanted to be better than
everybody else.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
Well, it's a tournament that's because you
put in the work.
Yeah, let them target practiceat the podcast talking about
target painting.
That's because you didn't workhard enough.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
You ever done something 19,000 times and you
walk in and say, mom, get outhere and watch this, and you
can't ever do it again.
Yes, seriously, hey, man, watchthis.
You never get it to do it again.
You broke that concentration.
I'm telling you, man, you watchsomebody, you watch somebody.
They'll climb up and they'llhave their best tournament of

(01:09:23):
their life and then they have tostart all over.
I don't know why it is Everytime.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
That's with everything, though I'm the best.

Speaker 4 (01:09:34):
We ought to go shoot a tournament for deer shooting.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
That's with everything, though.
I'm scared too.
You know what I mean.
You can be on a real hot streakbatting and then all of a
sudden just go through a slumpout of the blue.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
It's the pride, though and it's like a pride
it's like what is going on tellyou, love the bow, hunt, shoot
your bow.
It's, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
It's definitely touched your soul so I'm really
proud, like I, I, you, you can'tjust decide to be good, you're
into controlling something youcan't control you ever hear
somebody say well, I want tobuild a boat, why don't you
teach me how to build a boat?

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
no, you it's, it's all in what you want to control.
It's like you're controllingthis whole thing, like the, the
method of shooting makingsomebody better.
It's like it's you, it's theperson shooting the bow.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
There's so many life lessons, though.
There's so many discipline lifelessons in shooting a bow that
you can apply to your everydaydecision making.
Literally.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
Because?
Why?
Because it's based off ofdiscipline, and that's what we
all lack is discipline, yeah,into today's age, whether it's
working, it's all the same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
Well, discipline in almost any aspect is good.
I mean name, something that youcan do better without
discipline than with discipline.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
I wish I had a lot more discipline to go to the gym
.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
So I get it so.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
I get it.
I get it, you know it's bow,you know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
That's why bow hunters are different because it
takes discipline that, and Ifeel like bow hunters enjoy the
journey more than they actuallyenjoy the prize at the end we
gotta talk about archers, justarchers in general, like it's
not just hunters, like there's,there's more.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Uh, people are more eat up with it.
They shoot 3d and nothing else.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
You know I'm saying they're more ate up with it.
Oh man, I believe that you'rearound like we.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Yeah, we got a lot of bows I believe that you can't,
and everything's different yeahhow about this?
how about this?
I've been noticing lately thatpeople their bows, they'll bring
them in.
I don't know these people, butthey'll have their sight.
They'll have a pick mount sightrun way out here and they're a
deer hunter and they don'trealize that the further your

(01:11:40):
sight is away from your bow, themore you're going to twerk it.
You know, right, the more I'msorry, at distance you're going
to miss way where they're out.
Right, the closer your side isto your riser, the less it's
going to matter.
But they see it on TV, sothat's what they do.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
Why do they do that?
They try to get the site closerto the target, maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
But they cause they see it on TV.
That's, that's the.
But they don't realize.
They're like man, I'm back upto 40, and I'm shooting like a
whole deer to the left.
I'm like, well, yeah, that'show bad you're torquing your bow
.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
I got you that makes sense.
Jinx, I don't want you to tella bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
Yeah, no, it makes a lot of sense what I can see
hunter, you know, the deadbullseye kills the deer.
But also, you know, being alittle low to the right kills
the deer too.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
There's a huge difference between shooting
animals and shooting targets.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
There's a it doesn't matter, Like there's a huge
difference.
There's a huge difference.

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
All right, let me ask you this I got something for
you.
So when you shoot a targetlet's say you put one arrow in
it why can't I hit my knock onthat next arrow?
But I can't.

Speaker 4 (01:12:55):
Are you aiming for the arrow or aiming where you
aimed?
I don't know.
It's just the thrill he'saiming for the arrow.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
It's a thrill of hitting the knock.
You said why can't?

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
you I mean Chances are it's easier to follow the
arrow than it is.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
If he shoots an arrow in that target, no matter where
he shoots it, I'm going to getreally close to his knock.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Why is that?
It's easier to follow the arrow.

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
You didn't finish the question, though, what I mean.
Why is it easier to hit hisknock than it is a target on the
bag, if I'm the first one toshoot?

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
Because there's no dot.
Why is it easier for you to aimat his arrow?
I don't know.
It's your determination to hit,to ruin his arrow?
Yeah, that's what it is.
That's what it is you're.
That doesn't matter if you missthe dot.
How come?
If people ruin their arrows?
They could shoot a group thisbig on a target, but the moment
you put a piece of steel aroundit with a hole in it that big,

(01:13:46):
they're gonna ruin every arrow.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
It it's that doubt, I know, I know, cause I can screw
this shit up every time.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
That's what yeah but.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
I can't group it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:54):
It's like I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
I don't know.
It's something.
There's a thrill about screwingthis to miss.
You're going to miss, but if heshoots, Because I put pressure
on you.
But if he shoots that deer inthe eyeball accidentally, I can

(01:14:17):
hit his knock or come close.
You got nothing to lose.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
I guess not.
You've got nothing to lose then, but if I put pressure on you,
yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
You're right, though You're 100% right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
You're right, though you're right.
I mean, it's just, it's thenature of it's our sin nature,
man, like literally we want tobe in control.
Yeah, you're not in control.
We got we should.
If we would let our bow shootinstead of trying to shoot our
bows, we would never miss.
I get it it'd be awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
I get it, it's all making sense.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
It's all making sense , it's a little different.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
You know like you get somebody come in here trying to
sell bows, whatever, whatever,but you're trying to break this
down.
I mean obviously.
No, I don't try that's what Iwas trying to say earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
I don't try and tell everybody this.
If it goes there, we get thereright.
Yeah, I hear you, if it doesn'tgo there, I don't give a newbie
all this stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
And I can't do all that they.
They don't even know how to,they can't even pull it back.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
The same, yet every time, yeah, so in order to be
great at something, you have tounderstand why you're failing
right.
And there's, that's what,that's the part you're trying to
describe that's the growth.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
That's the growth to it, yeah I'm not trying to tell
everybody in the world what'swrong with them at all.

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
Well, you don't convince us.
We got target panic.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
No, I'm just saying.

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
I'm pretty sure we do now.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
I'm just saying it's okay.
If you do have an issue with it, Go ask somebody.
Leave the pride at the houseand walk in there and say I need
help.
It's more fun, isn't it?
Do you remember when you shot?
It was fun, yeah it was.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
Well, I'll tell you, what you've done for us is, when
we go home, we're going toshoot and we're going to
definitely have it on our mind,but we will.
We're going to be panicking,but we will probably be a better
shot because we can control itbetter.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
We're not going to let it absolutely live in our
minds, like Shockley, Shockley'sterrified.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
No, no, you're going to go home and pull each other's
trigger.
Remember, yes.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
Whatever.
Well, we're going to pulltriggers, put bags on targets,
we're going to do everything.

Speaker 4 (01:16:17):
Yeah, I get it.
What are we doing?
Meeting at your house in themorning and shooting.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
No, I've got to go to Mississippi tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
This won't be a tomorrow thing, but we'all have
to have a target up here, man.
Yeah, I think we did, don't wedo we?

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
have to die somewhere .
There's snakes.
We've been working.

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
We've been working like non-stop for the last three
months the bow season's coming,so we gotta get our stuff ready
.
I'm gonna get locked in myuncle's awesome he always talked
about.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
He would go to his shop in the morning.
He would shoot one arrow on theway to his shop and he would
shoot one arrow going in that'scool because you gotta.
You only get one shot on a deer, that's right.
That's right.
What are you gonna do with it?

Speaker 3 (01:16:52):
it's like cold bore, you know yeah you gotta know
what it's gonna do yeah, coreboard shots, that's that's what
we do.
Shoot once a day, you know, andthat's how you cite your stuff
in it is well, neil.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
I think we learned a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
Man, no shit, thanks for coming I don't know if it
was worth it, but I think welearned a lot.
Man, no shit, thanks for coming.
I don't know if it was worth it, but we got a lot more to go.

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
I really think we did learn something.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
No, we did and you can definitely come back.
And as we grow in ourexperience here with Target,
panic and everything, hopefullywe can come back.
We can regroup and we can havesome more to bring to the table
from our end.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
what we're experiencing, are in, you know
what we're experiencing, but Idefinitely learned a lot.
Definitely for sure that you'regoing to shoot somebody
straight, and that's the firststep of buying something you
need that says something yeah,and remember, I'm not here to
sell you stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
If you want to buy something, that's good, I'm here
to help you.
Yeah, I'm in the shop to helpyou.
I'm not going to judge you.
What you bring me, I don't care.
I'm going to help you make itbetter.
That's the way I am too.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
I mean, if a guy comes, here, if a guy comes
anyway 350 pounds, he doesn'tneed a 15, 50, you know, 15 foot
boat small boat right he's abigger boat.
I tell people the truth all thetime.
They hate it, but it justthat's.
That's how you, uh, that's howyou make repeat customers as
being honest with people.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
So man that was a great podcast absolutely, man.
I'm glad you came, for sure metoo.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
I, too, I had a ball.
This is really cool.
Y'all got to get set up, thankyou.
Absolutely I'm coming back,dude, I'm going to bring
somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
Oh, absolutely Do it, man, do it, it's going to be a
big surprise.
Oh yeah, awesome.
Well, that wraps this up.
Guys Leave.

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