February 24, 2025 • 47 mins
This episode underscores the excitement and anticipation surrounding spring turkey hunting, featuring Josh Hogue, a seasoned hunter, who shares valuable insights, strategies, and personal stories from his adventures. Listeners gain perspectives on planning, predator management, essential gear, and key techniques related to successful turkey hunting.
• Excitement and anticipation of spring turkey season
• Planning turkey hunting trips across multiple states
• Understanding the habitats and challenges of turkeys
• Importance of predator control in wildlife management
• Patience and observation as key strategies for successful hunts
• Essential gear: shotgun selection and calling techniques
• Personal anecdotes from memorable hunts with family
• Importance of passing down hunting traditions and knowledge
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's five o'clock and we're off to Cargill Beach,
scott.
Now.
Today we have Josh Hogue withus and he's going to tell us all
about spring turkey hunting,because it is coming.
It's been hot these last coupleof days and everybody's
starting to get an itch, so he'sgoing to tell us when to call,
when not to call, what gun youmight need, the ins and outs of
it.
He was trained by his father,which is an old school turkey
hunter, and he has a lot ofright into it.
(00:21):
Dive in deep, let's get into it.
So, josh, first and foremost,thanks for coming today.
Dude, yes sir, yes sir.
So tell me about your deerseason, but before we get into
that, I know turkey season'scoming.
We just had all this hotweather.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Dude, you gotta be itching oh, absolutely, man it
uh everybody's talking about oh,they're gonna be gobbled out.
They're gonna be gobbled outlike nah, they ain't gonna, they
ain't going to be gobbled outoh it's about to get cold.
Yeah, nah, you're always goingto get teased a little bit in
February.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Oh yeah, Are you one of those guys that's like man,
turkey, season's always too late.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
You know what I mean.
You hear that every year fromeverybody before it opens up
over here.
That's right, and I don't.
Where do you start?
Usually Mississippi I had neverbeen to Florida so I've never
killed Osceola but usuallyMississippi and then kind of
might go there for two weekendsor something like that, just in
between work, when I can, whichit's not a far drive over there.
(01:18):
No, it ain't that bad.
I'll drive five hours overnight, you're pretty, ate up with it
oh yeah, man, that's it.
Uh, and then past few years I'vebeen to alabama I guess last
three or four years they alwaysthey start opening up later.
They used to open up withmississippi, and now they're
about 10 days later, so thatworks out good too.
And then once april gets here,man, everybody starts opening up
.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
So you kind of just sit around and pick where you
want to go so do you kind ofplan out, like your season, like
do you say, okay, I'm gonna gomississippi here these dates,
yeah, I'm gonna try to shootover there, like is that kind of
how you do it.
You kind of make a route.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Man, I'm blessed just because I get to kind of, I
work for myself, so I'll get tomanipulate my own schedules as
much as you know as I can.
Now, if I'm turkey hunting likewhen daryl goes turkey hunting
he might be able to look at thatbank account, some money and
showed up in it when I'm turkeyhunting.
That bank account's going thatway.
So I still got to get some workdone.
Yeah, you ration it out.
If I was a smart man I'd planit all out pretty good.
I usually have one big trip ayear that I'll, you know, go
(02:09):
pretty hard where they have tobuy a plane ticket or something
like that and, you know, getdates set in stone months ahead.
I mean, usually I'm either atwork or just all of a sudden I'm
like man, I can drive toTennessee tomorrow and hunt
Saturday and Sunday and be backMonday for work, stuff like that
.
So more of a fly by the seat ofmy pants type of deal, usually
for the most part all season.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
So do you like targeting more deer hunting?
Absolutely Like, without adoubt.
Without a doubt, nothing beatsthat bird of God one.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
No, y'all can have the pine goats, I want the big
bird for sure.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I think if you ever went elk hunting, you would.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Oh dude, he would like elk hunting.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Because what you like ?
You like deer hunting, you killbig deer, right, you kill a lot
of turkeys.
That's like putting them twotogether, yeah that's what I
heard.
Man, I want to, but you mightnot need to, because then your
wife might kill you.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Oh man, You'd be going home sometime in September
.
I'm a hobby away from being asingle mama unhappy so.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
So tell me a little bit about like well, how'd you
get started in turkey?
Hunting was something you justgot interested in, or do you
have somebody that?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
kind of took you and showed you no, yeah, man, my dad
he's.
He's kind of like me.
That's really about all he'scared about, really for the most
part of his life.
So when I was old enough towalk I have an older brother too
, so, uh, when both of us got ofage to be able to go, man, we
were getting piggybacked acrosscreeks and stuff like that and
kicking water moccasins off ofbeaver dams and swamps and stuff
like that.
So yeah, man, it's been.
(03:28):
It's a national holiday inFrenchport, where I live, every
year.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I guarantee all three of y'all probably pumped up.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Oh yeah, man, I love it.
My dad he got diagnosed withcancer a few years ago but he's
really good now.
Man, like I say, it's all he'scared about since I was a kid.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I mean, I have a turkey hunter and the past two
years he hadn't got to hunt atall, just so I think he's
itching to get back in.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah oh yeah, I'm itching for him to get back in
and that's that's one of myfavorite times of years.
When people ask me my favoriteplace to hunt, I kind of got to
say around here, which it sucksaround here compared to
everywhere else, but uh, justyou know, because I get to help
with my brother and my dad andstuff like that.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
So why do you think that is I mean?
Why does it suck here?
Because I'm going to be honestwith you Once you get this out
there, it's better and easieranywhere else.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Man, you drive 10 miles.
That way, you're seeing nineand a half miles worth of
cutover, right?
So you know, four-year-oldcutovers ain't too conducive for
a turkey to.
You know, raise young'uns andlive in it.
So it, man.
Just a lot of stuff mixedtogether.
Dude Predators too, yeah, whichis bad, it's just everything's
out to get them right.
So you kind of, if they ain'tgot a good place to live and you
(04:33):
know that thicket that they'rebeing forced to live in is super
conducive for a bobcat or acoyote, man, Just, you know,
lack of habitat, poor timbermanagement, stuff like that, in
my opinion.
And you know, just talkingabout the predators, I saw a guy
called a bobcat the other dayon Instagram and his comment was
you know, everybody alwaystalks about, you know manicuring
(04:55):
your land and doing burns andyou know having good
right-of-ways and stuff likethat, yeah.
And his comment was a burnwouldn't go and kill this bobcat
.
It's like, yeah, that's true,or I burn it can't fix this,
yeah.
So, man, it's a mix of a lot ofstuff.
So what do y'all do for thepredators?
I just pretty much trap, really.
Yeah, that's all I do.
I don't really get into thepredator calling and stuff like
that.
I just kind of once I get donedeer hunting right before in
(05:18):
your house property, yeah, andthen I've got no lease land or
something, yeah.
And so I own a pest controlcompany in Camden and I recently
started, you know, kind ofoffering like because you know
if you're in a lease around here, like most people, are you kind
of.
You know your hands are tiedbehind your back to what you can
do.
You can't go out there and, likeAnthony Timberland, so yeah,
(05:41):
but there is some stuff you cando.
I mean, it takes a lot of timeand traps are expensive, but
just mostly the time thing.
So I kind of started offeringthat and have a few jobs lined
up.
Now that I get to, you know,get to go do.
But before then, man, I wasjust trapping all my stuff and
buddy's stuff.
So you know, a little bit ofproperty I get to do what I want
on.
Yeah, it gets hammered prettyhard, so there ain't much
wildlife besides the wildlife Iwant there.
(06:02):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
That's right.
Then you got to go out of state, kill your birds.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
How many tracks do you think you're running now?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Man, I pulled a lot just for the weather coming up
and then I'm going to be out oftown next weekend, so you,
really, I like to leave them outas long as I can, really as
long as there's still, you know,predator sign there.
Man, if I can run 50 at a time,that's great, uh, but I think
right now I got 10 out and I'mprobably I was telling aaron
earlier I'm gonna go pull them,probably this evening when we
(06:30):
get done here how many bobcats,coyotes, how many, how many do
you think you kill?
a year.
Man, right now I didn't, Ihadn't been doing it, but for a
week and a half now this year,something like that, uh, and I
think in a week and a half I'vecaught three bobcats, three
coyotes, two foxes and like 50something raccoons and wow and a
(06:53):
skunk and you know severalpossums and stuff like that, and
that's on like 150 acres.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
So, dude that's a ton .
Yeah, oh yeah, that's yeah.
To me that seems kind of crazy,like how many you've caught
already in just 150 acres, andthen, then.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
My little boys love it too, so it gives us something
to do.
You know, here before longdaddy's going to be going a lot
hunting, so I try to, you know,spend as much time possible as I
can with him.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Dude, he's going home .
Yeah, he loves it.
He's a redneck dude, he's amini, you standing there, that
ain't no joke.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
He's looking like yeah, I did this, yeah, he's
dangerous looking.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
He just needs to learn how to skin them out now.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah, make it a little easier on you, yeah, yeah
.
So let's talk about your deerseason.
You had a pretty successfuldeer hunt, huh.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, man, like I say , I'd give it all up for a
turkey, right, but I still liketo travel and go do stuff like
that kind of deer hunt aroundhere too.
You can get a good deer aroundhere, and you know I struggle
with being relative to where I'mat right.
So right around here you shoot120 inch deer.
Man, that's a good deer.
You're king of the, yeah, youknow.
But uh, and I just find it hard.
(07:55):
Like this year I went toillinois the first week in
november and killed a reallygood deer and then came home and
the next day I was home I wentand hunted on the river over
here at the house and man, likeprobably 110-inch six-point just
a big gnarly six-point justwalked right by me.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Dang, what the what is this?
That's a deer you killed inIllinois this year.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
No, no, no, no, I killed him.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
I'm going to say you got that thing done quick.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
No, no, I killed him a year before last in Arkansas.
That's a stud, right there,that's a public land deer.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Right yeah, y'all hold it.
Y'all can see it.
You didn't touch some big deerlately.
B Scott.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah, I know, man Like y'all really messing me up.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah, yeah, I get all the pine tickets dog.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
You see that on the camera.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
What a deer that's here in Public land.
Yeah, on the river.
What's that deer score?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
170 on the dot he got peanut 170.
Yeah, he broke three or fourinches off right here They'll
say 120.
Yeah, it's all right.
Oh, yeah, they'll say 120.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
It'll be 120 by the time this gets posted.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
They wasn't the reason I was shaking when I shot
him, so they can say that theywon't Dude.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
that's a great deer that's a good deer yeah, that's
Arkansas public land, that's it.
Yeah, I honestly feel like ifyou're hunting like South
Arkansas, like the pineplantations and stuff around us,
yeah, dude, you got a betterchance, killing a big deer on a
lot of the public.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Oh yeah, you know like we can have Delta go up
north, like anywhere any ofthese areas on the river dude,
you got way, way bigger deer andI mean around here like I've
got little.
You know private land stuffthat I can hunt, mostly for, you
know, my wife and kids andstuff like that.
And man like just as far as Igo, like even with trapping and
anything man, I'm always lookingat sign and you know, learning
about sign and trying to killwhatever I'm average is pretty
(09:35):
much off the sign right.
So you're on 40 acres and youknow you're following a scrape
line or a rub line or a deertrail or something like that or
you don't, or you need to get tothis certain spot and just
stick it and all of a sudden yousee it 40 yards ahead of you
and you're standing on theproperty line and can't go no
further.
So I'd rather be able to walkmyself to death and, you know,
not really run out of room there.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Do you ever translate that to like turkeys?
Absolutely, I mean you kill bigdeer.
Like I mean.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
You translate those find those big as far as just
having a lot of land to hunt.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Well, not necessarily that, but just like, just like
getting those turkeys likenarrowed down.
You think that helps, like withsign.
Yeah, I mean obviously you lookfor a gobble because everyone
wants to kill a gobble.
Absolutely Obviously, theydon't gobble all the time, yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Man.
I killed one two years ago.
It was three or four daysbefore Ginger was born, my
youngest son, and, and, uh, andwe it's just 40 acres and
there's a turkey or two on itevery year and we probably
shouldn't be like this, but weshoot them every year and the
next year there's, you know it's.
It's only so much land thatit's only going to occupy so
many turkeys, right, uh, anyways, there was.
(10:36):
We knew there was a turkey inthere.
There's tracks all up and downthis road and I mean we listened
before season there, nothing.
Yeah, uh, brother went overthere, nothing.
And finally I was like I'm justgonna I ain't got long before
work this morning.
It's like next last day ofseason and I'm walking in there
and there's this little bittyopen field.
These tracks kept being in, soI'm not gonna park right here,
I'm gonna park down the blacktopand walk up and kind of come
(10:56):
into keep my truck out of thepicture and uh, so I'm just
walking, not paying attention,I'm not thinking I'm gonna
stumble up on him.
I had a kind of idea in my mindwhere I thought I could probably
just sit down and sit theretill lunch and maybe kill him.
And, uh, I look up and I seethat sucker standing there and
I'm in the wide open.
And he's in the wide open andall of a sudden he just blows up
and strut.
I'm like what the heck?
So I just now get down on mybelly and get behind some stuff
(11:18):
and uh, eventually there's alittle drain that runs there.
The grass is a lot taller.
The guy can't mow that fieldright there.
He'll stick his tractor.
So, anyways, I just kind ofused that to get up there on him
and kill him.
And I couldn't figure out.
Like this is insane.
Like how in the world did thisturkey not see me?
Yeah, and I turned around afterI killed him and looked and
right where I walked from, thesun was just bigger, bigger than
(11:39):
I couldn't even see over there.
Wow, I'm like dang.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
I could walk Dude.
It's awesome when it works outlike that.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I could walk flat foot straight to him.
Dude, look at Turkey, freakingno.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Dude they're nothing like that, dude, and they're
gobbling in, man, they gobble,right they get to drumming.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, everybody wants to yell from up and I was the
way my daddy raised this man.
It was more of a talking aboutthe sign he's, you know, big on
that and kind of always.
And people talk about beingpatient, turkey hunting.
They don't know patient untilthey're with one of them old
heads that have came from whenthere wasn't turkeys and, you
know, still killing them.
No-transcript.
(12:27):
Now you open to him on the limb.
He ain't, he's going to sitthere in a shady spot and wait
to kill him.
I mean, if he knows where he'scoming, he's going to do it.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
So he's a lot different than you know.
Cuz hunts like that.
If there's not birds gobblingyeah, because a lot of times
here there's not yeah, you know,it seems like more times than
not they're not gobbling.
Yeah, so really, I mean you canrun and gun all you want.
Yeah, all you're gonna do istear yourself up, yeah,
absolutely and wear yourself out.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
You know, yeah, and you can definitely blow it out,
man 100, I've seen that a lot.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
I feel like that's when I usually mess up.
Yeah, instead of just sittingdown on them.
Yeah, I'll try to get a littlebit closer, a little bit closer,
and I'll be like I'll end uprunning to them like well I
should just wait.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, there is, I should have been patient, it
could happen.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
I'll be on the lake fishing about 20 minutes yeah,
yeah, no, around here it's.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
You know I'm kind of limited with time, especially
because if I'm free I'd reallyrather be somewhere.
Some turkeys are, you know,gobbling.
You can get on pretty good, soI spend a lot of time away from
here.
But when I do hunt around here,you know, with a little bit of
time, a little bit of land, Ihave uh to hunt I'm, I hunt
arkansas man it's a completelydifferent world for the world, a
completely different game fromthe way I hunt everywhere else.
(13:35):
Man, if I get to go elsewhere inthe mountains or something, I'm
walking until he gobbles, andyeah, or until I make them
gobble, so around, I like toknow where they're at.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
For a season it's weird how the terrain is like.
It almost makes it like that Ifthey're not gobbling, there's
no way in a dense part ofArkansas to really find them
other than sign and just waitingthem out.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
And I am one that believes every turkey has his
day.
Right, he might not be there,but there's a day that you can
yelp that turkey up and kill him, and I do believe that.
Now, it don't matter public orprivate, a turkey's a turkey.
You don't know where theproperty line is, so it's just,
you know, keep as much pressureoff of if you have private land
that you get to hunt, just keepas much pressure off of them.
I mean as you can.
(14:21):
I mean same way with deer.
It's hard to kill pressure deer, just like it's hard to kill
pressure turkey, that's right.
Uh, so pressures, you know,king, when it comes to all of
that.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I definitely agree with that.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
You know, you know one thing I'll be happy, but
like if I go out of state, it'slike you know, I'll say Nebraska
, you can't buy tags thereanyway, right now Right.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
But I go there and I'm there for a day and I'm done
.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Well, two days technically, yeah, if you see
them you're going to kill them.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
What do you think that makes a difference?
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Man, I don't know, when I'm up there, though, you
don't see a lot of like theyobviously sell a lot of tags.
You don't see like a lot ofturkey hunters, but I think when
people like from us, like fromthe south, come up there, that
we have like such a whole othermindset, right?
Yeah, oh, absolutely.
I mean, any state I go to islike I'm going to kill.
(15:27):
I'm not even thinking about it.
Like you know, it looks likeTennessee, but Tennessee's still
a little bit more difficultbecause it's still in the South.
But like anywhere in Midwest,like I'm like I'm going to kill
like guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
If you had regulations in Arkansas, there
wouldn't be nothing left.
Oh no, and think about turkey,it wouldn't be a bird or nothing
.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
It's a numbers game.
So I mean, it's just likefishing.
I guess you pull up on a school.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I mean, if there's one fish there and you're trying
to, you're looking at that livescope and wanting to bite man
that sucks if he ain't going tobite, but if you pull up you
might walk three miles andyou'll put 30 turkeys without
knowing it.
So one of them's gonna gobbleand be.
I mean statistically you got abetter chance the more there is.
Absolutely, yeah, and that'shelped us with.
Even deer hunting is like ifyou want to kill big deer, you
(16:13):
got to go with the big deer, arethat's it.
I mean, if you got one big deerand like I'll say, say I don't
know 400 square miles, yeahright, yeah Right, there's one
like, say, 180-inch deer here,yeah, or you go to like Illinois
where there might be like 30.
Yeah, I mean, obviously youwant to go to Illinois.
It's a game of opportunity, forsure.
So tell me, so you do anyfishing or are you just hunting.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Are you fishing?
Yeah, I fish during turkeyseason.
I get messed beds and stuff andmore action.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
I'm, you know, stuck turkey hunting yeah, I'll be
honest, though I don't know if Ijust love bed fishing, though,
yeah, it's hate and love yeah,you see the big bass, but to me
I'm rather like that post spawn,like as soon as they come out
of bed they're just eating.
That's when I want to fish,that's when I'm ready.
What kind of fishing do you do?
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, I do pretty much all of it, man.
A few years ago I got intotightlining for flatheads on the
river at the house.
Oh yeah, pretty hard and that'sfun in the summertime.
I bet it's hot in thesummertime.
How do you?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
bait them, because I know, guys that tightline
flatheads and they'll get likethese little.
What are they called?
Cut shot?
No, they're like little mudcats, yeah, little bitty mud
cats, yeah, and they'll baitwith them.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, I don't know.
Everybody always says you ain'tgoing to catch no flathead on
some cut bait.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
They only go eat something alive man?
Speaker 2 (17:36):
That ain't true.
I catch way more on cut baitthan I do Really, absolutely.
So what do you look for whenyou're out there?
Just log jams, thick stuff,just get above it, cut in half a
bram and drop it down in thereon them, and eventually they're
going to come out and look forit, or you can drop it in there
on them and probably get hung upevery other cast, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
That's the worst part about it.
Yeah, if you're fishing log jam, that's the worst part.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
And it's hard to snap off 80-pound braid.
It is, it is.
Yeah, it's a handful there,yeah yeah, so I mean.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
The fight, though, is insane.
We fished the Arkansas River abunch tightline, and we'll catch
a bunch of big blues and stuffout there, and dude, fighting
them in that current yeah, Dude,it's nothing like it, no.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
I mean catching a Kentucky bass versus a black
bass.
I'm fishing that current just alot healthier, a lot stronger.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
It's like the closest you can get to, like ocean
fishing, like deep sea fishingin Arkansas.
Yeah, I agree that, or snaggingIf you're snagging, I imagine
you know catching them on thebackside somewhere.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Talk about a fight.
It's horrible, Right below adam where you know the current's
bumping, oh man.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
It's all.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
That's in Alabama.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Yeah, doesn't even look like Alabama.
I know it's not what I pictured.
I thought you were going to saylike Missouri.
No, that's Alabama.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Right there in that cutover yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
So where are you planning on going this year?
Terry Young man, right now ontop of your head, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Mississippi for sure.
Louisiana being so close to us,I'll probably take a kid down
there on the youth hunt and then, you know, if season works out
good, go out there and go downthere.
I mean, I work in Notre Dame soI'm right across the state line
so I can pretty much huntLouisiana before work if I want
to.
Yeah, Maybe Oklahoma, Missouri,Indiana, for sure I might go
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back to Alabama.
I'm not sure yet.
If I can ways of my way insomewhere in Texas that same
week.
I always go to Alabama.
I'll probably go to Texas if Ican.
And then I think in May I'mgoing to fly to the northeast
and hunt five or six states forabout a week up there.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
You've got a pretty busy schedule.
Yeah, I hope so.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Hopefully that's going to be a lot of dead birds.
I hope so, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
What kind of gun do you shoot?
A Benelli.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Really yeah.
Super Black Eagle 3.
I have a Burris Fast Fire 3 onit and if y'all, if y'all don't
shoot one of them, red Dotsthey'll show up.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Yeah, they're nice.
It's a game changer man.
You believe in the Red Dots?
That's my next question.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I do dude, absolutely man.
And for a kid, you know.
I remember just being a kid andsitting between daddy's legs or
something on a turkey, and allhe'd say is just keep your face
on the gun.
Keep your face on the gun, andyou know kid's going to look up
and you want to see it die?
Speaker 1 (20:18):
You're about to get thumped.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
At that point you're shooting right above the
turkey's head man, that red dot.
You could hold that sucker withtwo hands, like this and look
down.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
As long as that red dot's on it, turkey, don't come
out where exactly you'replanning to, yeah, and you might
not be able to just fully swingon them.
So, like, even if you're offthe gun a little bit, yeah, the
red dot will move accordingly tolike where your eye is at with
the gun.
Yeah, and you're able to.
Actually, you know, you don'thave to be on it on it to really
see where it's going to hit.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
So do you?
Yeah, flatty everything.
That red dot gets off.
Do you shit it when you getthere?
No, like man, it's so small andit's just such a simple system
Like I don't have like aPicatinny rail or nothing like
that with the big ridges.
I think my rest or my mountsare some toy or something like
that.
So you're going to tap for it?
Yeah, it's tap, want to.
I just man, if it don't come,if it don't get unsighted when
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I'm hunting, banging it aroundthe truck and dropping it.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
It's probably good.
It's probably good.
Yeah, I just always wonderbecause you know you see
airlines like if you get on aplane you look at the rest of it
.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
You're like oh my God , are you, and all your rifle
scope's been like cranked on.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
If it's a bow.
I've knocked a bow off manytimes on some stupid stuff, so
I'd shoot a bow for sure beforeI went hunting with it.
But that shotgun man, I thinkshe's got so many pillows too,
it doesn't really matter thatmuch.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
If you're pretty close.
So what kind of?
Speaker 2 (21:48):
shells you shoot Constance.
I've got a buddy around thehouse that hand loads them for
me.
Oh, really.
Yeah, pretty good.
Yeah, man, they thump, it hurtson both ends.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Yeah, one of my earliest memories of turkey
hunting and I'm sure there's alot of people out there like
this Now your dad gives you a12-gauge because everybody you
know back then perky gun.
Yeah, and it was a Mossbergreal short Mossberg.
Yeah, I already know this guyand dude.
I had three and a half in itand the bird wouldn't come no
closer.
He got hung up on a log.
He's like, he's like, can yousee him good?
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And I'm like, yeah, he's likego ahead and shoot him.
Well, I was sick, Nothing.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
It slapped me, dude.
Nothing kicks harder than aMossberg 835.
Mm yeah, mm, them junkers arerough, man I ain't never own one
.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I ain't ever going to own one.
It'll test you, you know.
Show you what you're made of.
Yeah, they're rough dude.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
You got a preferred call yeah, just like a brand,
yeah, brand.
Or yeah, man, rolling Thunder.
They got some super good dudeson their team over there that
just guys that can flat out yelpon one.
And I'm one of those guys toothat you ain't got to sound like
a national or a world grandchampion caller to kill a turkey
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, right.
But man, they do have stuff.
They have a call for every.
I I mean, if you want to make asound on a call, you just pick
one.
If I don't do it, somebody elsecut one on that tape.
They're probably, you know,you're probably gonna get that
sound you're looking for.
So, yeah, and I'm man, I'mpretty much diaphragm call or
mouth call uh, pretty much haveone in my mouth all the time and
then a glass call uh, I keepthat pretty handy on me.
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Um, now I really like a glasscall a lot.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
So for people that don't know, why would you go to
a glass call over a mouth call?
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Yeah, just man, you're on top of a mountain
somewhere.
Just weather can be perfect, Imean.
But you're on top of a mountainsomewhere and if he's two
hilltops over, you just wantthat popping, screaming thing to
get to him and then in the wind, and then in the wind man it
cuts through the wind so muchbetter.
Man, yeah, and man, I've beenhunting with folks before and
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you know they're on the gun andI'm calling or something, and I
strike the turkey with thatglass call and I hit him with
the mouth call and he don't wantit, and then so I hit him with
the glass call and he loves it,yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
See, it's weird like that sometimes.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah, man, I know the pictures the frequency of it
that hits the air it could bewell.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
I imagine turkeys gobblers are a lot like us.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
We have preferences, we like to listen to we like to
listen to, looking at for sureit's not your type, it ain't
your type yeah, that's the one.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
That's right, that one sound like a big girl.
I'm gonna hold it off, wait forsomething, give her a hand and
walk by that dang glass, callman.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
He's either going to gobble because he wants to or
he's going to gobble because Iscared him half to death.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
A little shot gobbledge.
It screams, dude, you ever killa turkey in like a bad, bad
storm.
Yeah, shot gobbling and stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yeah, I remember most folks would stay home during
the rain.
But we'd wake up in the morningand Dad would be like it's
thundering outside, like oh andso nice means one thing and yeah
, I don't mind hunting in therain.
Really I'd rather hunt in therain than in the wind.
I'll say that Wind's tough.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Probably the toughest thing for conditions for turkey
hunting, in my opinion.
For sure, I agree with that.
When it's windy man, it's hardto locate.
You know, like another thingtoo is like your ears.
Yeah, you know, a lot of peopledon't know it, but they might
only have like 40, one ear, 60and the other, yeah, you know.
So, like getting your earschecked out and kind of knowing
what your hearing is like, yeah,will help you locate these
birds, because a lot of timesthey are gobbling, yeah, and
you're hunting somebody.
Daryl was like he's over here,I'm like he's over there.
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We got a problem right.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
We got to split the difference yeah, one of us go
left to go low one of them'sgoing to go right.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
And there's different types of wind too, like if
you're standing in a spot andlet's say it's windy, regardless
, that wind coming through thetop of the pine trees ain't near
as bad as that wind hitting youin the ears.
So you know you've got toposition yourself to where you
can hear, and then you've justkind of got to hunt stuff.
That—same thing's happening toa turkey.
He don't want to be vulnerablenowhere, right, so he's going to
be in a spot where that wind'snot as loud on him too.
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So you know drains and themountains, stuff like that.
I killed one last year.
I mean it's like 30 mile anhour wind and, uh, I knew there
was a turkey in there.
This was in kentucky, uh,anyways, I'm over there trying
to find him.
I killed a turkey in there theday before and there was another
one in there and I went to adifferent spot.
It it didn't work out and so Iwent back over there because I
know he was in there and I'mjust walking and sitting, I mean
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I'm on this mountain for twohours probably just trying to
peek through nooks and cranniesand stuff like that, and finally
I kind of come up and I rolloff this hill and the wind just
kind of clots down on me someand I just hear something down
in the leaves scratching likesteep, like right below me as
you're scratching.
I'm like what the heck?
And so I just stand up and leanup against the tree and I just
kick my feet a couple of timesand the scratching stops and all
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of a sudden all you hear is andhe pops up right in front of me
and I killed him.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
See, it's like little tricks like that that you learn
you, like you know now that'swith you forever.
So now, situationally, you'regetting better.
You know what I mean.
So like that's cool and I feellike turkey hunting for a person
.
Just getting into turkeyhunting, what would you say, is
the number one thing you mustthink about.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
and focus on man.
If you ever, if you get on aturkey and you know he answers
you or something, and you'resitting there and everybody
that's ever turkey hunted hasbeen in this situation If you're
sitting there thinking, do Ineed to call it or do I need to
be quiet, the answer, 95 percentof the time, is shut up, don't
you?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
think over calling.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, I mean he knows where you're at.
Yeah, I mean you like, quitgiving him more help, you know,
don't give him more data.
Yeah, it's cool, it's cool tohear him gobble and stuff, but,
like man, don't yell to a turkeyif he can see where it's coming
from.
I mean you call to him and he's300 yards away.
Man, that sucker lives there.
He's surviving there.
That's what he's trying to do,so he knows everything.
Yeah, right, I mean he knowsright where you're at the first
time you call.
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He can make a three-mile loopand come back right to you and
he knows where she's making alot of racket or not.
He's either coming or he ain'tso right, I can see that.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Yeah, I've definitely been guilty of that myself.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah, that's just trying to make something happen,
you know yeah, and you want totry to keep up with them too.
Like that's when I will call.
A lot like we killed a turkeylast year.
My brother's little boy killedhis first turkey with us, uh,
and I know he was in there.
I mean we got in there at lunchand he was gobbling on his own
and he'd answer me every timeI'd call but he was not drumming
, he was strutting but he justwasn't drumming.
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Man, I mean, usually you cankeep up with that pretty good.
And I was like, well, dang, Imean he's a little kid.
Like we just messed up threelike two hours before the end
because he's just nervous andyoung.
And uh, I was like, well, Igotta let them know.
I backed off like 75, 80 yardsfrom them.
I was like, well, I gottafigure out a way to make sure
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that they know he's gonna comearound this corner, because he
was down a deer lane and we comeup this other deer lane and you
know you got thickened inbetween us so he can't see.
So idea is just getting him tocome around the corner and shoot
him.
Yeah, shoot him as soon as whenhe, when he, when you see him,
have him be in shotgun rangetype of deal.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And man, if, if he wasn'tgobbling, I mean, there was no
way he'd roll up on him.
And for a, a seven year old man, that's, that's tough, that's
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tough for a grown man a lot oftimes.
So, and I mean that suckergobbled down all the way down
the pipe and I mean came aroundthe corner gobbling, heck, yeah,
dude.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
So what's your favorite hunt story, Favorite
target hunt story?
When you think back to like theglory target hunt, what does
that bring you to man?
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I got a bunch of them .
I remember I don't know I was13, 12 or 13.
I just got a phone and me anddad were hunting in the river
bottoms but down there on Camdenand there was a turkey that had
been in there and there's a bigslough and you can't get to the
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other side of the sloughbecause you're locked off by
private land.
We had like a little bitty thatlease we were on, had a little
bitty strip that we had acrossthe slough but there wasn't a
way to cross and I mean it's ahundred yards wide, just bunch
of backwater.
And that turkey for two orthree years I mean that turkey
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was in there and people say, oh,you don't know it was him.
Yeah, well, he knew it was himsame.
And uh, that sucker would roostover that water and he'd do
something.
And the next day, you know,you'd get down there where he
went the day before and don'tsay a word.
You're like he's gonna do itagain, start to pitch the other
side quicker he pitched and godown a different deer line or
something like that summer oneyear we went down there and uh,
it was hot and humid andmosquitoes are awful and we just
go sit down kind of the samedeal where he's been going to
and we sat there.
It's like 10, like my dad willsit you to death.
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My people talk about gettingwalked yeah, that man will sit
you to death you'dbe like ah and uh, yeah, and uh,
like I fall asleep or something, wake up and dad's like, well,
let's just go over there.
And you know, check out thatslough.
I mean we've tried to find waysacross that.
Daddy wasn't gonna swim meacross.
I was young and water moccasinseverywhere.
I mean I'm not scared of asnake, but that was an eerie
place, yeah and uh.
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So finally, like I say, I justgot a phone, that's how I
remember this I find a beaverdam and I'm like dad, I'm gonna
try to hit this beaver dam andsee if I can get over there, the
other side, and uh, he's likeyou ain't gonna be able to do
this.
And he's like we've tried forthree years, there's not, you're
gonna go out there, it's gonnago to a null and it's gonna stop
and you're gonna be just on anisland.
So I take off walking, notpaying no attention to nothing,
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walk down a beaver dam, like 40yards.
It breaks and cuts back southand I'll walk down it that way,
and then the beaver dam breaksagain and goes back over there
and I get over there.
I'm looking and I'm like man, Ithink, I think this is you know
, I think I'm across and I calldad.
I'm like dad I got across.
He's like, oh no, the hell youdidn't.
He's like you did not getcaught.
I'm like dad, just hit thatbeaver dam and follow it all the
way to him.
I said I promise you I'm across.
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And he comes through there andhe gets the other side and he is
cussing me up and down and Isaid what is your deal?
he's like you didn't see asingle one of them, damn snakes
on that beaver dam oh man, theysaid they were everywhere and
it's crazy how it works, becauseI mean that humidity kind of
broke like a front came throughabout the time we got over there
, sun came out, birds startedchirping, daddy yelps.
One time that sucker guy wasright in front of us.
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Oh my gosh and uh, and we satdown, didn't call again.
And he comes, following inright to us straight.
And he was a giant.
He was he's still the biggestturkey I've ever killed in my
life.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Really, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
That is cool.
Yeah, you ever been bit by asnake, Not a, not a bad one.
I remember one time we weresitting in a cutover and before
daylight and a little swampyspot in it, and you just hear
just something, just justsomething tapping something.
You're like what the hell isthat?
And turn the light on and lookDang little cotton mouth
striking.
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You know the green lacrosseboots.
He couldn't get his young, hecouldn't get his teeth through
them.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Oh my gosh, that makes me want to throw up yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Just pick your foot up, put it on him and squish him
and sit there and keeplistening for turkey.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
See, you know I hate snakes.
That turkey would have beenover.
That would have been the deathof me.
I would have ended up killingmyself some other way.
I would have shot my own foot.
I can see that dude.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
You're going to have to hunt with them.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
if you're hunting Arkansas, that's why I think I
like the West too.
I'm snake booted up dude fromday one're up and going.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
That's why I think I like the woods too.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
It's easier in the night than the leaves, yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
I'm snake booted up dude from like day one.
I'm like what's up?
Speaker 2 (32:57):
We were on a mountain last year in Indiana and I'm
thinking you know I go to placeslike that too.
I'm like there ain't no snakesup here.
Cool, I was like ain.
I don't know, gage Welch.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He was with me and been in thewoods his entire life, scared to
death of a snake.
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I'm talking about bad scared,like I don't even look at the
ground.
I don't blame him.
I don't even look at the groundreally when I'm walking around.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
I can't say, I don't disagree with him.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I don't blame him.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
I hate him, dude.
Yeah, we're whoa, whoa, whoa,whoa, like freak out.
And I'd turn around and lookthere was like a hog nose snake
or something I'm not sure reallywhat it was and I stepped right
over it and he was freaking out.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
He's like there, ain't supposed to be no snakes
up here on this mountain inIndiana.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
He'd be mad, then I'd be mad too.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
This ain't right.
See, my problem is I'll see asnake and then I'm overlooking
and I'm going real slow.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
It makes my whole turkey hunt so stressful.
I'm now hunting snakes.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
When I pick a tree and sit back, sit by.
I'm scouting the area.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
My light is on.
I don't care if the turkeylight is on.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
I'm kicking leaves a little bit.
I ain't that tore up about it.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
That's that turkey.
I shot in the wind and that'smy shotgun, with the red dot on
it.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Hey, yeah, that's a pretty scene.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Yeah, that's just a little creek that runs through
it Both sides of that.
It's pretty right there, butwhen you got to walk up the hill
on both sides of it.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
it's not pretty anymore.
It ain't pretty anymore.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
It ain't that cool, it's only cool for Sceneries
like turkey hunting, though Ithink like creek bottom river
bottom stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah, I've got to see some pretty stuff going and
doing all of it.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Man, it is, yeah, ain't nothing like it.
No For sure.
For anybody that hasn't turkeyhunted, I mean, let's be honest
here, it is a really excitingyeah I would say the most
exciting of all the hunting,especially in Arkansas.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Because, like, when it's happening and you're not
controlling everything, because,like, the bird's doing his
thing and you're just trying to,like, make the best decisions
you can, right, it's anadrenaline rush, yeah, the whole
time.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Yeah, I mean it really is.
Yeah, it's just a game, man youfigure.
Once you figure it out, it'sjust kind of one of those things
like, man I did that, yeah, you, yeah, man, if for anybody
that's, you know, just kind ofgetting started, if you know an
old head that turkey hunts, Imean that's going to be a lot
better option for you to learnthan you know watching a youtube
video.
And somebody started youtubenow and kill four turkeys and
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they're teaching you how toturkey hunt.
So I don't know.
Dad always said, uh, don'tlisten to a man about turkey
hunting if his beards can't fillup his pocket and don't listen
to a man about fishing if hisfreezer ain't full of them.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
That's right, that's true, that's a very true
statement.
That's why you can't listen tome about neither one.
Neither one.
Don't listen to me.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
That's good stuff, man.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
I'm excited for it.
It's coming.
It's been hot the last coupledays, but it's about to get cold
again, so the next go around.
It's going to be time.
It's going to be time, I'mready.
We just got to make thedecision.
I know me and Daryl do like bedfishing, turkey hunting.
It's a tough decision.
Y'all know my answer.
I know your answer, dude.
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I mean, I know.
I say we just do both.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Yeah, that's easy.
Just take the boat wherever wego.
Just take the.
Hit them both.
Hit them both.
Why not?
Yeah, I feel like my turkeyhunts end pretty fast, pretty
fast, I know when I'm not amessed up.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Yeah, oh yeah, I know , when I'm messed up, that's
hard to overcome too.
When something doesn't go rightand he's not going your way,
it's like well, what do I do now?
And what you think to doautomatically is over try.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
You got to try to somehow you know James Bond save
this turkey hunt and you end upscrewing it up.
When you could have just cameback the next day with a better
plan and probably killed him.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Yeah, just let him have it for the day.
Come to it for now.
I can't ever do that.
Nah, I have a hard time.
You know, two years ago I wentturkey hunting and this is funny
, I it's just funny.
I got there, got all set up,knew where the turkey was and
everything called him up.
He gets like 60 yards and Irealized I didn't ever put a
shell in my gun.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Oh, that sucks, dude.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
So I'm just sitting there like it's too late to put
a shell in my gun, and he's justsitting there and just blow it
up in front of me and I'm justlike it sucks.
Yeah, that's cool.
Didn't see that turkey again.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Hey, turkey hunting will make you do some stupid
stuff.
I'm not talking about juststupid, I mean it'll test your
morals and everything.
Turkey hunting is crazy.
What will it do to you?
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Yeah, we're all human right.
At the end of the game you gotto kill them for the game to be
the game.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
So you kind of want to come out on top Sometimes.
I want to be part of that newhunting club.
Everywhere you seen it yeah,posted, yeah, posted.
Hunting club.
I want to be part of that someday.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
You already know.
The problem is, you hear themgobbling.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
You know they're fired up.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
You're fired up.
Yeah, why wouldn't we just makethis thing weird?
Speaker 3 (37:51):
You don't walk seven back and forth, like just down a
little line and just like yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
If it ain't going on.
Man, I walk a lot of milestrying to strike a turkey and
that's my favorite part about itis, you know you can be hot and
tired and you know, walk asix-mile loop on this mountain,
something like that, and you mayget back to the truck and you
might yell at one time thatsucker, go your passenger side
door.
So it's just a game of you gotto go to know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
No joke, Absolutely no.
It's one of them things, dude.
You need to go and experienceit and you'll either love it or
you'll never do it again.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
More likely.
You'll probably love it.
If you have a good turkey hunt,it's going to be hard not to
love it.
I mean, have you ever got lostout there though?
Yeah, I've got lost out therebefore he did.
Did he get lost?
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Yeah, I got lost.
That's a story for another day.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Really, you got lost lost, lost lost, lost lost.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
You got lost lost.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Facebook lost.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Yeah, I was a kid, I was in high school.
What First time I ever went toMississippi and we're hunting
National Forest down there andthere's no phone service.
We yeah, and it gets to beevening time and I'm like, well,
here, just let me out righthere on this walking road and
I'll walk in and, you know, tryto reach Turkey all the way down
there in the bottom orsomething.
And uh, well, I'm walking andyou know, I take a four-wheeler
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trail that looked a little moreclear than this other little
trail and just end up takingsome turns I probably shouldn't
have took.
Yeah, and uh, all of a sudden athunderstorm comes, phone died
and I didn't have a flashlightor nothing.
And so I'm at this point Ithink I know where I'm going and
I walk the opposite way ofwhere I should have went.
(39:19):
Oh my gosh, it turns into likemidnight and it's 30 degrees.
I'm soaking, wet, crossing logsand I'm just trying to pick a
sound in the distance to follow,and maybe I'll walk across a
road or something and finallyI'm just freaking, freezing to
death, and I don't know how manypeople's leases I crossed that
night and finally found a foodplot with a deer stand on it and
(39:40):
I climb up in it to get out ofthe rain and I take all my
clothes off and try to dry themout.
And it's one of them cold nights.
That box stand had red walls init and they were getting cold
and they were falling out of thenest.
And so I'm sitting there inthis chair and I hear stuff
going on.
I'm like I don't care, I'm notgetting back out in the rain,
and all of a sudden red wallsstarted falling on me and I'm
like, oh my God.
And so it breaks daylight and Iget my clothes back on and I'm
(40:05):
coming down the ladder.
There's deer standing about tostart walking again.
And I see a guy walk around thecorner toting a decoy bag and
I'm like look, dude, I ain'tover here hunting your stuff.
I promise you, man, I'm lost.
He's like I heard about you.
He's like, yeah, there's like12 game wardens up there at the
gas station, finna, come lookfor you.
He said I'm the chief of policeover here.
I was like I'm sorry if I ruinyour hunt or something.
Can you just point me whichtrail to take to get up out of
(40:27):
here?
And he gave me a ride back andgot me back to my mom would make
me come home, right then.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Oh, you was done.
She shut it down.
She shut it down son, her youngtover.
Yeah, she's like.
I ain't no more of that youdone messed up.
Yeah, it happens easy, don't it?
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
You get turned around , man.
That's the first time you gotso much technology.
Now, man, if you get lost, man,it's kind of your own.
I don't even think Onyx was athing back then.
It wasn't.
Google Maps ain't going to loadand all that crap, especially
if your phone's dead.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Yeah, that happens quick I'll tell you what, though
I mean.
That happens every year.
People get lost every year.
I mean, really think about it.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Now at the river when we were hunting I had a buddy
come with me.
The day I killed that big deer,the buddy that was hunting with
me went upriver and he killed adeer too and walked in there.
Same thing, it's dark.
Phones died and I mean in them,river bottoms, everything looks
the same.
And finally I just sat thereand looked Right before my phone
died.
I got like a line on my phoneand kind of towards the river
where the boat was, and I lookedup and I seen a big old, bright
(41:35):
star and I said don't talk tome, don't touch me.
I said knock stuff down infront of me.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
I'm walking straight to that star and I walked
straight to it and came right upon the boat.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Yeah, that's insane.
Yeah, imagine that.
You know, me and Fred.
One day we were duck hunting atthe Metro and he's like that
hole that y'all like to alwayshunt, you know, and we walk into
it.
It was me, him and Zach, andsomebody else was with us too,
and we took off walking at 4.
Yeah, it was like 5.30.
We still ain't made it there.
Yeah, and I'm like Fred, Ipromise you, I've seen this same
light over there to our left.
(42:07):
I've seen this same tree Like.
We've walked past that personlike four times now and he's
like.
He looks around.
Like a couple of times he looksagain.
You're not afraid.
Yeah, he's like man.
You might be right.
I know for a fact, we'rewalking in circles right now.
(42:29):
Because, his phone went lowbecause he had like whatever
maps, google or something.
It was funny apps, google orsomething.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
It was funny.
That's just so funny.
You know they got those littleGarmin like their GPS things,
but they're real small.
You can just like clip them onsomewhere, yeah, and from like,
if you ever get lost or anything, you hit the SOS button and it
sends a.
You know it sends like a pin,like to all your people that
have.
You know, other devices likethat I don't ever use it, we
never get lost.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Yeah, I don't ever use it, but I still keep a
little compass in my turkey vest.
I don't even know if it works.
The sucker's been in thereforever.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
How many people do you think, like if you took like
new generation young guys, saylike 20 years old, and you just
dumped them out in the woods.
Yeah, you know, like you kindof gave them a general like your
position here, the compass, Ibet.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
What does that percentage look like?
We're talking like born afterwhat year?
I'm talking about like 96 andup.
I'm talking about 18-year-oldsnow.
18-year-olds now.
One out of every 20.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
If you just grabbed a random group, of 500 people and
threw them out there, I bet 10out of the 500.
You're going to see someFacebook posts being shared.
I'll tell you that yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
You know, I mean how many people make it out with a
compass.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Yeah, if you gave them a compass and just a map to
go north or something.
To be honest with you, have youever been put in a position
where, like you, had to use yourcompass?
Yes, where you're like.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Okay, this is the only way I'm getting out of here
is with this compass.
I mean yeah, but I mean alsojust kind of new too.
I could use it If I could use acompass, if I yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
I've been in places you know you can't hear nothing
Like you can't hear road traffic, right, you can't hear a train
or nothing like that.
But that's most of the timewhen you're in the woods, man,
you're decently close enough towhere you're going to hear a
boat coming up the river oryou're going to hear, you're
going to hear something, andthat compass, man, all you.
(44:12):
I mean you don't three miles,but you're going to get out,
you're going to make itsomewhere.
Yeah, because as soon as thatnoise is gone, you're going to
be ear to the left, a little bitof ear to the right, and all of
a sudden you're going to hearthe same sound back behind you.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
If I was in a situation where my phone was
dying, I would look at my map.
You know I'd be like, okay, I'mnortheast of the river.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
I parked somewhere over there, my goal like if I
got lost in the woods and I knewI was on the river, I'd be like
I just need to know somewherewhich my phone's about to die.
I'm 1%.
I'd put it like this flat, seewhich way the river is and be
like northeast.
Okay, I'm going northeast, Imight be 10 miles northeast, but
I'm eventually going to findthe river.
My memory.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
I have to take a picture of it and like I don't
get lost.
Anyways, don west, how manykids do you think even know sun
rises in the east and sets inthe west?
I bet a bunch don't.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
There's a lot, there's a lot that's another way
you could.
You know when I came in here,the sun was.
I was walking to the sun.
Yeah, now so the sun's setting.
I need to go the oppositedirection of that yeah, that's
true.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
I hate to be lost out out there all day, though you
got to wait a long time for thesun to start setting.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Yeah, you start doing like you start making up shit.
You never even heard before.
You're like okay.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
In the daytime.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
There's no excuse to get lost in the daytime the
squirrel climbs the north sideof the tree.
I've seen moss on this side onfour trees now.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
The moss is obviously letting it go this way.
Yeah, I know you're excited.
Yeah, man, I'm excited to fish.
I feel like I'm always excitedfor the next season.
Yeah, even during the currentseason.
Yeah, I'm kind of ill with that.
Yeah, we're constantly worryingabout the next season when
we're in the season we're in.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Yeah, yeah, I ain't going to lie to you, man.
It's always on my mind when I'mdeer hunting.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
I'm thinking about a turkey.
They're shaking.
That's when they ate up with it.
Absolutely, man.
Well, I hope you kill.
I hope you kill them all thisyear.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Yeah, I appreciate it , man, go around, smash them,
man, if y'all don't care.
Uh, this past, this past deerseason, uh, I had a guy.
Now I talked to this guy oninstagram before and he hunts
over there.
We're the same place, we deerhunt and we have this campground
.
Uh, and you know, I just talkedto him on instagram before.
Well, somehow I run into himover there, we're the same place
, we deer hunt, yeah, it's acampground, and you know, I just
talked to him on Instagrambefore.
Well, somehow I run into himover there this year and we're
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just talking and his brother'swith him, and I don't even
remember his name and, and I'mpretty sure I was drinking a
beer.
I'm pretty sure, yeah, just offthe top rope, man, he's like
man.
I just want to tell you, man, Iain't ashamed of it.
I just want to tell you JesusChrist is my Lord and Savior and
if you don't know him, I'd loveto introduce him to you.
And man, that, right there,that story changed my life.
(46:44):
Probably more than anythingelse on this planet it's ever
changed my life.
I don't you know you always talkabout being a good Christian
and stuff like that.
I never had to do it like thisto that level, so I just wanted
to kind of pass that on.
Man, If none of this ispossible without my Lord and
Savior, Jesus Christ, and if youdon't have a relationship with
Him, I'd love for y'all to get ahold of me and I can introduce
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the two of you.
So I don't want to leave herewithout saying that.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Absolutely man.
That's the perfect way to wrap,absolutely.
And everything happens for areason.
Yeah, it does.
The people you meet, the object, you know the obstacles you
have to overcome.
Yeah, I mean, it's all just aget lost in Mississippi and
start toting a compass Betterfreshen up with your compass,
skills, guys, 100%.
Well, that wraps this thing up,guys, thanks for watching.
(47:29):
Make sure you leave a like,subscribe and hit the bell for
notifications.
And we're going to see somepictures this year hopefully
he's going to send us in of himsmashing turkeys and if you
ain't never turkey hunting.
Go turkey hunting becauseyou're going to love it.
Yeah, that's it All right,Catch you on the next one.
Thank you.
It's five o'clock and we're off to Cargill Beach,
scott.
Now.
Today we have Josh Hogue withus and he's going to tell us all
about spring turkey hunting,because it is coming.
It's been hot these last coupleof days and everybody's
starting to get an itch, so he'sgoing to tell us when to call,
when not to call, what gun youmight need, the ins and outs of
it.
He was trained by his father,which is an old school turkey
hunter, and he has a lot ofright into it.
(00:21):
Dive in deep, let's get into it.
So, josh, first and foremost,thanks for coming today.
Dude, yes sir, yes sir.
So tell me about your deerseason, but before we get into
that, I know turkey season'scoming.
We just had all this hotweather.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Dude, you gotta be itching oh, absolutely, man it
uh everybody's talking about oh,they're gonna be gobbled out.
They're gonna be gobbled outlike nah, they ain't gonna, they
ain't going to be gobbled outoh it's about to get cold.
Yeah, nah, you're always goingto get teased a little bit in
February.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Oh yeah, Are you one of those guys that's like man,
turkey, season's always too late.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
You know what I mean.
You hear that every year fromeverybody before it opens up
over here.
That's right, and I don't.
Where do you start?
Usually Mississippi I had neverbeen to Florida so I've never
killed Osceola but usuallyMississippi and then kind of
might go there for two weekendsor something like that, just in
between work, when I can, whichit's not a far drive over there.
(01:18):
No, it ain't that bad.
I'll drive five hours overnight, you're pretty, ate up with it
oh yeah, man, that's it.
Uh, and then past few years I'vebeen to alabama I guess last
three or four years they alwaysthey start opening up later.
They used to open up withmississippi, and now they're
about 10 days later, so thatworks out good too.
And then once april gets here,man, everybody starts opening up
.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
So you kind of just sit around and pick where you
want to go so do you kind ofplan out, like your season, like
do you say, okay, I'm gonna gomississippi here these dates,
yeah, I'm gonna try to shootover there, like is that kind of
how you do it.
You kind of make a route.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Man, I'm blessed just because I get to kind of, I
work for myself, so I'll get tomanipulate my own schedules as
much as you know as I can.
Now, if I'm turkey hunting likewhen daryl goes turkey hunting
he might be able to look at thatbank account, some money and
showed up in it when I'm turkeyhunting.
That bank account's going thatway.
So I still got to get some workdone.
Yeah, you ration it out.
If I was a smart man I'd planit all out pretty good.
I usually have one big trip ayear that I'll, you know, go
(02:09):
pretty hard where they have tobuy a plane ticket or something
like that and, you know, getdates set in stone months ahead.
I mean, usually I'm either atwork or just all of a sudden I'm
like man, I can drive toTennessee tomorrow and hunt
Saturday and Sunday and be backMonday for work, stuff like that
.
So more of a fly by the seat ofmy pants type of deal, usually
for the most part all season.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
So do you like targeting more deer hunting?
Absolutely Like, without adoubt.
Without a doubt, nothing beatsthat bird of God one.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
No, y'all can have the pine goats, I want the big
bird for sure.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I think if you ever went elk hunting, you would.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Oh dude, he would like elk hunting.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Because what you like ?
You like deer hunting, you killbig deer, right, you kill a lot
of turkeys.
That's like putting them twotogether, yeah that's what I
heard.
Man, I want to, but you mightnot need to, because then your
wife might kill you.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Oh man, You'd be going home sometime in September
.
I'm a hobby away from being asingle mama unhappy so.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
So tell me a little bit about like well, how'd you
get started in turkey?
Hunting was something you justgot interested in, or do you
have somebody that?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
kind of took you and showed you no, yeah, man, my dad
he's.
He's kind of like me.
That's really about all he'scared about, really for the most
part of his life.
So when I was old enough towalk I have an older brother too
, so, uh, when both of us got ofage to be able to go, man, we
were getting piggybacked acrosscreeks and stuff like that and
kicking water moccasins off ofbeaver dams and swamps and stuff
like that.
So yeah, man, it's been.
(03:28):
It's a national holiday inFrenchport, where I live, every
year.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I guarantee all three of y'all probably pumped up.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Oh yeah, man, I love it.
My dad he got diagnosed withcancer a few years ago but he's
really good now.
Man, like I say, it's all he'scared about since I was a kid.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I mean, I have a turkey hunter and the past two
years he hadn't got to hunt atall, just so I think he's
itching to get back in.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah oh yeah, I'm itching for him to get back in
and that's that's one of myfavorite times of years.
When people ask me my favoriteplace to hunt, I kind of got to
say around here, which it sucksaround here compared to
everywhere else, but uh, justyou know, because I get to help
with my brother and my dad andstuff like that.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
So why do you think that is I mean?
Why does it suck here?
Because I'm going to be honestwith you Once you get this out
there, it's better and easieranywhere else.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Man, you drive 10 miles.
That way, you're seeing nineand a half miles worth of
cutover, right?
So you know, four-year-oldcutovers ain't too conducive for
a turkey to.
You know, raise young'uns andlive in it.
So it, man.
Just a lot of stuff mixedtogether.
Dude Predators too, yeah, whichis bad, it's just everything's
out to get them right.
So you kind of, if they ain'tgot a good place to live and you
(04:33):
know that thicket that they'rebeing forced to live in is super
conducive for a bobcat or acoyote, man, Just, you know,
lack of habitat, poor timbermanagement, stuff like that, in
my opinion.
And you know, just talkingabout the predators, I saw a guy
called a bobcat the other dayon Instagram and his comment was
you know, everybody alwaystalks about, you know manicuring
(04:55):
your land and doing burns andyou know having good
right-of-ways and stuff likethat, yeah.
And his comment was a burnwouldn't go and kill this bobcat
.
It's like, yeah, that's true,or I burn it can't fix this,
yeah.
So, man, it's a mix of a lot ofstuff.
So what do y'all do for thepredators?
I just pretty much trap, really.
Yeah, that's all I do.
I don't really get into thepredator calling and stuff like
that.
I just kind of once I get donedeer hunting right before in
(05:18):
your house property, yeah, andthen I've got no lease land or
something, yeah.
And so I own a pest controlcompany in Camden and I recently
started, you know, kind ofoffering like because you know
if you're in a lease around here, like most people, are you kind
of.
You know your hands are tiedbehind your back to what you can
do.
You can't go out there and, likeAnthony Timberland, so yeah,
(05:41):
but there is some stuff you cando.
I mean, it takes a lot of timeand traps are expensive, but
just mostly the time thing.
So I kind of started offeringthat and have a few jobs lined
up.
Now that I get to, you know,get to go do.
But before then, man, I wasjust trapping all my stuff and
buddy's stuff.
So you know, a little bit ofproperty I get to do what I want
on.
Yeah, it gets hammered prettyhard, so there ain't much
wildlife besides the wildlife Iwant there.
(06:02):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
That's right.
Then you got to go out of state, kill your birds.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
How many tracks do you think you're running now?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Man, I pulled a lot just for the weather coming up
and then I'm going to be out oftown next weekend, so you,
really, I like to leave them outas long as I can, really as
long as there's still, you know,predator sign there.
Man, if I can run 50 at a time,that's great, uh, but I think
right now I got 10 out and I'mprobably I was telling aaron
earlier I'm gonna go pull them,probably this evening when we
(06:30):
get done here how many bobcats,coyotes, how many, how many do
you think you kill?
a year.
Man, right now I didn't, Ihadn't been doing it, but for a
week and a half now this year,something like that, uh, and I
think in a week and a half I'vecaught three bobcats, three
coyotes, two foxes and like 50something raccoons and wow and a
(06:53):
skunk and you know severalpossums and stuff like that, and
that's on like 150 acres.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
So, dude that's a ton .
Yeah, oh yeah, that's yeah.
To me that seems kind of crazy,like how many you've caught
already in just 150 acres, andthen, then.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
My little boys love it too, so it gives us something
to do.
You know, here before longdaddy's going to be going a lot
hunting, so I try to, you know,spend as much time possible as I
can with him.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Dude, he's going home .
Yeah, he loves it.
He's a redneck dude, he's amini, you standing there, that
ain't no joke.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
He's looking like yeah, I did this, yeah, he's
dangerous looking.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
He just needs to learn how to skin them out now.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah, make it a little easier on you, yeah, yeah
.
So let's talk about your deerseason.
You had a pretty successfuldeer hunt, huh.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, man, like I say , I'd give it all up for a
turkey, right, but I still liketo travel and go do stuff like
that kind of deer hunt aroundhere too.
You can get a good deer aroundhere, and you know I struggle
with being relative to where I'mat right.
So right around here you shoot120 inch deer.
Man, that's a good deer.
You're king of the, yeah, youknow.
But uh, and I just find it hard.
(07:55):
Like this year I went toillinois the first week in
november and killed a reallygood deer and then came home and
the next day I was home I wentand hunted on the river over
here at the house and man, likeprobably 110-inch six-point just
a big gnarly six-point justwalked right by me.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Dang, what the what is this?
That's a deer you killed inIllinois this year.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
No, no, no, no, I killed him.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
I'm going to say you got that thing done quick.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
No, no, I killed him a year before last in Arkansas.
That's a stud, right there,that's a public land deer.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Right yeah, y'all hold it.
Y'all can see it.
You didn't touch some big deerlately.
B Scott.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah, I know, man Like y'all really messing me up.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah, yeah, I get all the pine tickets dog.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
You see that on the camera.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
What a deer that's here in Public land.
Yeah, on the river.
What's that deer score?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
170 on the dot he got peanut 170.
Yeah, he broke three or fourinches off right here They'll
say 120.
Yeah, it's all right.
Oh, yeah, they'll say 120.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
It'll be 120 by the time this gets posted.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
They wasn't the reason I was shaking when I shot
him, so they can say that theywon't Dude.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
that's a great deer that's a good deer yeah, that's
Arkansas public land, that's it.
Yeah, I honestly feel like ifyou're hunting like South
Arkansas, like the pineplantations and stuff around us,
yeah, dude, you got a betterchance, killing a big deer on a
lot of the public.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Oh yeah, you know like we can have Delta go up
north, like anywhere any ofthese areas on the river dude,
you got way, way bigger deer andI mean around here like I've
got little.
You know private land stuffthat I can hunt, mostly for, you
know, my wife and kids andstuff like that.
And man like just as far as Igo, like even with trapping and
anything man, I'm always lookingat sign and you know, learning
about sign and trying to killwhatever I'm average is pretty
(09:35):
much off the sign right.
So you're on 40 acres and youknow you're following a scrape
line or a rub line or a deertrail or something like that or
you don't, or you need to get tothis certain spot and just
stick it and all of a sudden yousee it 40 yards ahead of you
and you're standing on theproperty line and can't go no
further.
So I'd rather be able to walkmyself to death and, you know,
not really run out of room there.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Do you ever translate that to like turkeys?
Absolutely, I mean you kill bigdeer.
Like I mean.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
You translate those find those big as far as just
having a lot of land to hunt.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Well, not necessarily that, but just like, just like
getting those turkeys likenarrowed down.
You think that helps, like withsign.
Yeah, I mean obviously you lookfor a gobble because everyone
wants to kill a gobble.
Absolutely Obviously, theydon't gobble all the time, yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Man.
I killed one two years ago.
It was three or four daysbefore Ginger was born, my
youngest son, and, and, uh, andwe it's just 40 acres and
there's a turkey or two on itevery year and we probably
shouldn't be like this, but weshoot them every year and the
next year there's, you know it's.
It's only so much land thatit's only going to occupy so
many turkeys, right, uh, anyways, there was.
(10:36):
We knew there was a turkey inthere.
There's tracks all up and downthis road and I mean we listened
before season there, nothing.
Yeah, uh, brother went overthere, nothing.
And finally I was like I'm justgonna I ain't got long before
work this morning.
It's like next last day ofseason and I'm walking in there
and there's this little bittyopen field.
These tracks kept being in, soI'm not gonna park right here,
I'm gonna park down the blacktopand walk up and kind of come
(10:56):
into keep my truck out of thepicture and uh, so I'm just
walking, not paying attention,I'm not thinking I'm gonna
stumble up on him.
I had a kind of idea in my mindwhere I thought I could probably
just sit down and sit theretill lunch and maybe kill him.
And, uh, I look up and I seethat sucker standing there and
I'm in the wide open.
And he's in the wide open andall of a sudden he just blows up
and strut.
I'm like what the heck?
So I just now get down on mybelly and get behind some stuff
(11:18):
and uh, eventually there's alittle drain that runs there.
The grass is a lot taller.
The guy can't mow that fieldright there.
He'll stick his tractor.
So, anyways, I just kind ofused that to get up there on him
and kill him.
And I couldn't figure out.
Like this is insane.
Like how in the world did thisturkey not see me?
Yeah, and I turned around afterI killed him and looked and
right where I walked from, thesun was just bigger, bigger than
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I couldn't even see over there.
Wow, I'm like dang.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
I could walk Dude.
It's awesome when it works outlike that.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I could walk flat foot straight to him.
Dude, look at Turkey, freakingno.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Dude they're nothing like that, dude, and they're
gobbling in, man, they gobble,right they get to drumming.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, everybody wants to yell from up and I was the
way my daddy raised this man.
It was more of a talking aboutthe sign he's, you know, big on
that and kind of always.
And people talk about beingpatient, turkey hunting.
They don't know patient untilthey're with one of them old
heads that have came from whenthere wasn't turkeys and, you
know, still killing them.
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Now you open to him on the limb.
He ain't, he's going to sitthere in a shady spot and wait
to kill him.
I mean, if he knows where he'scoming, he's going to do it.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
So he's a lot different than you know.
Cuz hunts like that.
If there's not birds gobblingyeah, because a lot of times
here there's not yeah, you know,it seems like more times than
not they're not gobbling.
Yeah, so really, I mean you canrun and gun all you want.
Yeah, all you're gonna do istear yourself up, yeah,
absolutely and wear yourself out.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
You know, yeah, and you can definitely blow it out,
man 100, I've seen that a lot.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
I feel like that's when I usually mess up.
Yeah, instead of just sittingdown on them.
Yeah, I'll try to get a littlebit closer, a little bit closer,
and I'll be like I'll end uprunning to them like well I
should just wait.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, there is, I should have been patient, it
could happen.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
I'll be on the lake fishing about 20 minutes yeah,
yeah, no, around here it's.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
You know I'm kind of limited with time, especially
because if I'm free I'd reallyrather be somewhere.
Some turkeys are, you know,gobbling.
You can get on pretty good, soI spend a lot of time away from
here.
But when I do hunt around here,you know, with a little bit of
time, a little bit of land, Ihave uh to hunt I'm, I hunt
arkansas man it's a completelydifferent world for the world, a
completely different game fromthe way I hunt everywhere else.
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Man, if I get to go elsewhere inthe mountains or something, I'm
walking until he gobbles, andyeah, or until I make them
gobble, so around, I like toknow where they're at.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
For a season it's weird how the terrain is like.
It almost makes it like that Ifthey're not gobbling, there's
no way in a dense part ofArkansas to really find them
other than sign and just waitingthem out.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
And I am one that believes every turkey has his
day.
Right, he might not be there,but there's a day that you can
yelp that turkey up and kill him, and I do believe that.
Now, it don't matter public orprivate, a turkey's a turkey.
You don't know where theproperty line is, so it's just,
you know, keep as much pressureoff of if you have private land
that you get to hunt, just keepas much pressure off of them.
I mean as you can.
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I mean same way with deer.
It's hard to kill pressure deer, just like it's hard to kill
pressure turkey, that's right.
Uh, so pressures, you know,king, when it comes to all of
that.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I definitely agree with that.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
You know, you know one thing I'll be happy, but
like if I go out of state, it'slike you know, I'll say Nebraska
, you can't buy tags thereanyway, right now Right.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
But I go there and I'm there for a day and I'm done
.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Well, two days technically, yeah, if you see
them you're going to kill them.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
What do you think that makes a difference?
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Man, I don't know, when I'm up there, though, you
don't see a lot of like theyobviously sell a lot of tags.
You don't see like a lot ofturkey hunters, but I think when
people like from us, like fromthe south, come up there, that
we have like such a whole othermindset, right?
Yeah, oh, absolutely.
I mean, any state I go to islike I'm going to kill.
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I'm not even thinking about it.
Like you know, it looks likeTennessee, but Tennessee's still
a little bit more difficultbecause it's still in the South.
But like anywhere in Midwest,like I'm like I'm going to kill
like guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
If you had regulations in Arkansas, there
wouldn't be nothing left.
Oh no, and think about turkey,it wouldn't be a bird or nothing
.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
It's a numbers game.
So I mean, it's just likefishing.
I guess you pull up on a school.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I mean, if there's one fish there and you're trying
to, you're looking at that livescope and wanting to bite man
that sucks if he ain't going tobite, but if you pull up you
might walk three miles andyou'll put 30 turkeys without
knowing it.
So one of them's gonna gobbleand be.
I mean statistically you got abetter chance the more there is.
Absolutely, yeah, and that'shelped us with.
Even deer hunting is like ifyou want to kill big deer, you
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got to go with the big deer, arethat's it.
I mean, if you got one big deerand like I'll say, say I don't
know 400 square miles, yeahright, yeah Right, there's one
like, say, 180-inch deer here,yeah, or you go to like Illinois
where there might be like 30.
Yeah, I mean, obviously youwant to go to Illinois.
It's a game of opportunity, forsure.
So tell me, so you do anyfishing or are you just hunting.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Are you fishing?
Yeah, I fish during turkeyseason.
I get messed beds and stuff andmore action.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
I'm, you know, stuck turkey hunting yeah, I'll be
honest, though I don't know if Ijust love bed fishing, though,
yeah, it's hate and love yeah,you see the big bass, but to me
I'm rather like that post spawn,like as soon as they come out
of bed they're just eating.
That's when I want to fish,that's when I'm ready.
What kind of fishing do you do?
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, I do pretty much all of it, man.
A few years ago I got intotightlining for flatheads on the
river at the house.
Oh yeah, pretty hard and that'sfun in the summertime.
I bet it's hot in thesummertime.
How do you?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
bait them, because I know, guys that tightline
flatheads and they'll get likethese little.
What are they called?
Cut shot?
No, they're like little mudcats, yeah, little bitty mud
cats, yeah, and they'll baitwith them.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, I don't know.
Everybody always says you ain'tgoing to catch no flathead on
some cut bait.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
They only go eat something alive man?
Speaker 2 (17:36):
That ain't true.
I catch way more on cut baitthan I do Really, absolutely.
So what do you look for whenyou're out there?
Just log jams, thick stuff,just get above it, cut in half a
bram and drop it down in thereon them, and eventually they're
going to come out and look forit, or you can drop it in there
on them and probably get hung upevery other cast, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
That's the worst part about it.
Yeah, if you're fishing log jam, that's the worst part.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
And it's hard to snap off 80-pound braid.
It is, it is.
Yeah, it's a handful there,yeah yeah, so I mean.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
The fight, though, is insane.
We fished the Arkansas River abunch tightline, and we'll catch
a bunch of big blues and stuffout there, and dude, fighting
them in that current yeah, Dude,it's nothing like it, no.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
I mean catching a Kentucky bass versus a black
bass.
I'm fishing that current just alot healthier, a lot stronger.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
It's like the closest you can get to, like ocean
fishing, like deep sea fishingin Arkansas.
Yeah, I agree that, or snaggingIf you're snagging, I imagine
you know catching them on thebackside somewhere.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Talk about a fight.
It's horrible, Right below adam where you know the current's
bumping, oh man.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
It's all.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
That's in Alabama.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Yeah, doesn't even look like Alabama.
I know it's not what I pictured.
I thought you were going to saylike Missouri.
No, that's Alabama.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Right there in that cutover yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
So where are you planning on going this year?
Terry Young man, right now ontop of your head, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Mississippi for sure.
Louisiana being so close to us,I'll probably take a kid down
there on the youth hunt and then, you know, if season works out
good, go out there and go downthere.
I mean, I work in Notre Dame soI'm right across the state line
so I can pretty much huntLouisiana before work if I want
to.
Yeah, Maybe Oklahoma, Missouri,Indiana, for sure I might go
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back to Alabama.
I'm not sure yet.
If I can ways of my way insomewhere in Texas that same
week.
I always go to Alabama.
I'll probably go to Texas if Ican.
And then I think in May I'mgoing to fly to the northeast
and hunt five or six states forabout a week up there.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
You've got a pretty busy schedule.
Yeah, I hope so.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Hopefully that's going to be a lot of dead birds.
I hope so, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
What kind of gun do you shoot?
A Benelli.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Really yeah.
Super Black Eagle 3.
I have a Burris Fast Fire 3 onit and if y'all, if y'all don't
shoot one of them, red Dotsthey'll show up.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Yeah, they're nice.
It's a game changer man.
You believe in the Red Dots?
That's my next question.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I do dude, absolutely man.
And for a kid, you know.
I remember just being a kid andsitting between daddy's legs or
something on a turkey, and allhe'd say is just keep your face
on the gun.
Keep your face on the gun, andyou know kid's going to look up
and you want to see it die?
Speaker 1 (20:18):
You're about to get thumped.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
At that point you're shooting right above the
turkey's head man, that red dot.
You could hold that sucker withtwo hands, like this and look
down.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
As long as that red dot's on it, turkey, don't come
out where exactly you'replanning to, yeah, and you might
not be able to just fully swingon them.
So, like, even if you're offthe gun a little bit, yeah, the
red dot will move accordingly tolike where your eye is at with
the gun.
Yeah, and you're able to.
Actually, you know, you don'thave to be on it on it to really
see where it's going to hit.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
So do you?
Yeah, flatty everything.
That red dot gets off.
Do you shit it when you getthere?
No, like man, it's so small andit's just such a simple system
Like I don't have like aPicatinny rail or nothing like
that with the big ridges.
I think my rest or my mountsare some toy or something like
that.
So you're going to tap for it?
Yeah, it's tap, want to.
I just man, if it don't come,if it don't get unsighted when
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I'm hunting, banging it aroundthe truck and dropping it.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
It's probably good.
It's probably good.
Yeah, I just always wonderbecause you know you see
airlines like if you get on aplane you look at the rest of it
.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
You're like oh my God , are you, and all your rifle
scope's been like cranked on.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
If it's a bow.
I've knocked a bow off manytimes on some stupid stuff, so
I'd shoot a bow for sure beforeI went hunting with it.
But that shotgun man, I thinkshe's got so many pillows too,
it doesn't really matter thatmuch.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
If you're pretty close.
So what kind of?
Speaker 2 (21:48):
shells you shoot Constance.
I've got a buddy around thehouse that hand loads them for
me.
Oh, really.
Yeah, pretty good.
Yeah, man, they thump, it hurtson both ends.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Yeah, one of my earliest memories of turkey
hunting and I'm sure there's alot of people out there like
this Now your dad gives you a12-gauge because everybody you
know back then perky gun.
Yeah, and it was a Mossbergreal short Mossberg.
Yeah, I already know this guyand dude.
I had three and a half in itand the bird wouldn't come no
closer.
He got hung up on a log.
He's like, he's like, can yousee him good?
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And I'm like, yeah, he's likego ahead and shoot him.
Well, I was sick, Nothing.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
It slapped me, dude.
Nothing kicks harder than aMossberg 835.
Mm yeah, mm, them junkers arerough, man I ain't never own one
.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I ain't ever going to own one.
It'll test you, you know.
Show you what you're made of.
Yeah, they're rough dude.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
You got a preferred call yeah, just like a brand,
yeah, brand.
Or yeah, man, rolling Thunder.
They got some super good dudeson their team over there that
just guys that can flat out yelpon one.
And I'm one of those guys toothat you ain't got to sound like
a national or a world grandchampion caller to kill a turkey
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, right.
But man, they do have stuff.
They have a call for every.
I I mean, if you want to make asound on a call, you just pick
one.
If I don't do it, somebody elsecut one on that tape.
They're probably, you know,you're probably gonna get that
sound you're looking for.
So, yeah, and I'm man, I'mpretty much diaphragm call or
mouth call uh, pretty much haveone in my mouth all the time and
then a glass call uh, I keepthat pretty handy on me.
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Um, now I really like a glasscall a lot.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
So for people that don't know, why would you go to
a glass call over a mouth call?
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Yeah, just man, you're on top of a mountain
somewhere.
Just weather can be perfect, Imean.
But you're on top of a mountainsomewhere and if he's two
hilltops over, you just wantthat popping, screaming thing to
get to him and then in the wind, and then in the wind man it
cuts through the wind so muchbetter.
Man, yeah, and man, I've beenhunting with folks before and
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you know they're on the gun andI'm calling or something, and I
strike the turkey with thatglass call and I hit him with
the mouth call and he don't wantit, and then so I hit him with
the glass call and he loves it,yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
See, it's weird like that sometimes.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah, man, I know the pictures the frequency of it
that hits the air it could bewell.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
I imagine turkeys gobblers are a lot like us.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
We have preferences, we like to listen to we like to
listen to, looking at for sureit's not your type, it ain't
your type yeah, that's the one.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
That's right, that one sound like a big girl.
I'm gonna hold it off, wait forsomething, give her a hand and
walk by that dang glass, callman.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
He's either going to gobble because he wants to or
he's going to gobble because Iscared him half to death.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
A little shot gobbledge.
It screams, dude, you ever killa turkey in like a bad, bad
storm.
Yeah, shot gobbling and stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yeah, I remember most folks would stay home during
the rain.
But we'd wake up in the morningand Dad would be like it's
thundering outside, like oh andso nice means one thing and yeah
, I don't mind hunting in therain.
Really I'd rather hunt in therain than in the wind.
I'll say that Wind's tough.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Probably the toughest thing for conditions for turkey
hunting, in my opinion.
For sure, I agree with that.
When it's windy man, it's hardto locate.
You know, like another thingtoo is like your ears.
Yeah, you know, a lot of peopledon't know it, but they might
only have like 40, one ear, 60and the other, yeah, you know.
So, like getting your earschecked out and kind of knowing
what your hearing is like, yeah,will help you locate these
birds, because a lot of timesthey are gobbling, yeah, and
you're hunting somebody.
Daryl was like he's over here,I'm like he's over there.
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We got a problem right.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
We got to split the difference yeah, one of us go
left to go low one of them'sgoing to go right.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
And there's different types of wind too, like if
you're standing in a spot andlet's say it's windy, regardless
, that wind coming through thetop of the pine trees ain't near
as bad as that wind hitting youin the ears.
So you know you've got toposition yourself to where you
can hear, and then you've justkind of got to hunt stuff.
That—same thing's happening toa turkey.
He don't want to be vulnerablenowhere, right, so he's going to
be in a spot where that wind'snot as loud on him too.
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So you know drains and themountains, stuff like that.
I killed one last year.
I mean it's like 30 mile anhour wind and, uh, I knew there
was a turkey in there.
This was in kentucky, uh,anyways, I'm over there trying
to find him.
I killed a turkey in there theday before and there was another
one in there and I went to adifferent spot.
It it didn't work out and so Iwent back over there because I
know he was in there and I'mjust walking and sitting, I mean
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I'm on this mountain for twohours probably just trying to
peek through nooks and cranniesand stuff like that, and finally
I kind of come up and I rolloff this hill and the wind just
kind of clots down on me someand I just hear something down
in the leaves scratching likesteep, like right below me as
you're scratching.
I'm like what the heck?
And so I just stand up and leanup against the tree and I just
kick my feet a couple of timesand the scratching stops and all
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of a sudden all you hear is andhe pops up right in front of me
and I killed him.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
See, it's like little tricks like that that you learn
you, like you know now that'swith you forever.
So now, situationally, you'regetting better.
You know what I mean.
So like that's cool and I feellike turkey hunting for a person
.
Just getting into turkeyhunting, what would you say, is
the number one thing you mustthink about.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
and focus on man.
If you ever, if you get on aturkey and you know he answers
you or something, and you'resitting there and everybody
that's ever turkey hunted hasbeen in this situation If you're
sitting there thinking, do Ineed to call it or do I need to
be quiet, the answer, 95 percentof the time, is shut up, don't
you?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
think over calling.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, I mean he knows where you're at.
Yeah, I mean you like, quitgiving him more help, you know,
don't give him more data.
Yeah, it's cool, it's cool tohear him gobble and stuff, but,
like man, don't yell to a turkeyif he can see where it's coming
from.
I mean you call to him and he's300 yards away.
Man, that sucker lives there.
He's surviving there.
That's what he's trying to do,so he knows everything.
Yeah, right, I mean he knowsright where you're at the first
time you call.
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He can make a three-mile loopand come back right to you and
he knows where she's making alot of racket or not.
He's either coming or he ain'tso right, I can see that.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Yeah, I've definitely been guilty of that myself.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah, that's just trying to make something happen,
you know yeah, and you want totry to keep up with them too.
Like that's when I will call.
A lot like we killed a turkeylast year.
My brother's little boy killedhis first turkey with us, uh,
and I know he was in there.
I mean we got in there at lunchand he was gobbling on his own
and he'd answer me every timeI'd call but he was not drumming
, he was strutting but he justwasn't drumming.
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Man, I mean, usually you cankeep up with that pretty good.
And I was like, well, dang, Imean he's a little kid.
Like we just messed up threelike two hours before the end
because he's just nervous andyoung.
And uh, I was like, well, Igotta let them know.
I backed off like 75, 80 yardsfrom them.
I was like, well, I gottafigure out a way to make sure
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that they know he's gonna comearound this corner, because he
was down a deer lane and we comeup this other deer lane and you
know you got thickened inbetween us so he can't see.
So idea is just getting him tocome around the corner and shoot
him.
Yeah, shoot him as soon as whenhe, when he, when you see him,
have him be in shotgun rangetype of deal.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And man, if, if he wasn'tgobbling, I mean, there was no
way he'd roll up on him.
And for a, a seven year old man, that's, that's tough, that's
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tough for a grown man a lot oftimes.
So, and I mean that suckergobbled down all the way down
the pipe and I mean came aroundthe corner gobbling, heck, yeah,
dude.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
So what's your favorite hunt story, Favorite
target hunt story?
When you think back to like theglory target hunt, what does
that bring you to man?
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I got a bunch of them .
I remember I don't know I was13, 12 or 13.
I just got a phone and me anddad were hunting in the river
bottoms but down there on Camdenand there was a turkey that had
been in there and there's a bigslough and you can't get to the
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other side of the sloughbecause you're locked off by
private land.
We had like a little bitty thatlease we were on, had a little
bitty strip that we had acrossthe slough but there wasn't a
way to cross and I mean it's ahundred yards wide, just bunch
of backwater.
And that turkey for two orthree years I mean that turkey
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was in there and people say, oh,you don't know it was him.
Yeah, well, he knew it was himsame.
And uh, that sucker would roostover that water and he'd do
something.
And the next day, you know,you'd get down there where he
went the day before and don'tsay a word.
You're like he's gonna do itagain, start to pitch the other
side quicker he pitched and godown a different deer line or
something like that summer oneyear we went down there and uh,
it was hot and humid andmosquitoes are awful and we just
go sit down kind of the samedeal where he's been going to
and we sat there.
It's like 10, like my dad willsit you to death.
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My people talk about gettingwalked yeah, that man will sit
you to death you'dbe like ah and uh, yeah, and uh,
like I fall asleep or something, wake up and dad's like, well,
let's just go over there.
And you know, check out thatslough.
I mean we've tried to find waysacross that.
Daddy wasn't gonna swim meacross.
I was young and water moccasinseverywhere.
I mean I'm not scared of asnake, but that was an eerie
place, yeah and uh.
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So finally, like I say, I justgot a phone, that's how I
remember this I find a beaverdam and I'm like dad, I'm gonna
try to hit this beaver dam andsee if I can get over there, the
other side, and uh, he's likeyou ain't gonna be able to do
this.
And he's like we've tried forthree years, there's not, you're
gonna go out there, it's gonnago to a null and it's gonna stop
and you're gonna be just on anisland.
So I take off walking, notpaying no attention to nothing,
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walk down a beaver dam, like 40yards.
It breaks and cuts back southand I'll walk down it that way,
and then the beaver dam breaksagain and goes back over there
and I get over there.
I'm looking and I'm like man, Ithink, I think this is you know
, I think I'm across and I calldad.
I'm like dad I got across.
He's like, oh no, the hell youdidn't.
He's like you did not getcaught.
I'm like dad, just hit thatbeaver dam and follow it all the
way to him.
I said I promise you I'm across.
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And he comes through there andhe gets the other side and he is
cussing me up and down and Isaid what is your deal?
he's like you didn't see asingle one of them, damn snakes
on that beaver dam oh man, theysaid they were everywhere and
it's crazy how it works, becauseI mean that humidity kind of
broke like a front came throughabout the time we got over there
, sun came out, birds startedchirping, daddy yelps.
One time that sucker guy wasright in front of us.
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Oh my gosh and uh, and we satdown, didn't call again.
And he comes, following inright to us straight.
And he was a giant.
He was he's still the biggestturkey I've ever killed in my
life.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Really, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
That is cool.
Yeah, you ever been bit by asnake, Not a, not a bad one.
I remember one time we weresitting in a cutover and before
daylight and a little swampyspot in it, and you just hear
just something, just justsomething tapping something.
You're like what the hell isthat?
And turn the light on and lookDang little cotton mouth
striking.
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You know the green lacrosseboots.
He couldn't get his young, hecouldn't get his teeth through
them.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Oh my gosh, that makes me want to throw up yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Just pick your foot up, put it on him and squish him
and sit there and keeplistening for turkey.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
See, you know I hate snakes.
That turkey would have beenover.
That would have been the deathof me.
I would have ended up killingmyself some other way.
I would have shot my own foot.
I can see that dude.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
You're going to have to hunt with them.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
if you're hunting Arkansas, that's why I think I
like the West too.
I'm snake booted up dude fromday one're up and going.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
That's why I think I like the woods too.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
It's easier in the night than the leaves, yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
I'm snake booted up dude from like day one.
I'm like what's up?
Speaker 2 (32:57):
We were on a mountain last year in Indiana and I'm
thinking you know I go to placeslike that too.
I'm like there ain't no snakesup here.
Cool, I was like ain.
I don't know, gage Welch.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He was with me and been in thewoods his entire life, scared to
death of a snake.
(33:18):
I'm talking about bad scared,like I don't even look at the
ground.
I don't blame him.
I don't even look at the groundreally when I'm walking around.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
I can't say, I don't disagree with him.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I don't blame him.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
I hate him, dude.
Yeah, we're whoa, whoa, whoa,whoa, like freak out.
And I'd turn around and lookthere was like a hog nose snake
or something I'm not sure reallywhat it was and I stepped right
over it and he was freaking out.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
He's like there, ain't supposed to be no snakes
up here on this mountain inIndiana.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
He'd be mad, then I'd be mad too.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
This ain't right.
See, my problem is I'll see asnake and then I'm overlooking
and I'm going real slow.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
It makes my whole turkey hunt so stressful.
I'm now hunting snakes.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
When I pick a tree and sit back, sit by.
I'm scouting the area.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
My light is on.
I don't care if the turkeylight is on.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
I'm kicking leaves a little bit.
I ain't that tore up about it.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
That's that turkey.
I shot in the wind and that'smy shotgun, with the red dot on
it.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Hey, yeah, that's a pretty scene.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Yeah, that's just a little creek that runs through
it Both sides of that.
It's pretty right there, butwhen you got to walk up the hill
on both sides of it.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
it's not pretty anymore.
It ain't pretty anymore.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
It ain't that cool, it's only cool for Sceneries
like turkey hunting, though Ithink like creek bottom river
bottom stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah, I've got to see some pretty stuff going and
doing all of it.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Man, it is, yeah, ain't nothing like it.
No For sure.
For anybody that hasn't turkeyhunted, I mean, let's be honest
here, it is a really excitingyeah I would say the most
exciting of all the hunting,especially in Arkansas.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Because, like, when it's happening and you're not
controlling everything, because,like, the bird's doing his
thing and you're just trying to,like, make the best decisions
you can, right, it's anadrenaline rush, yeah, the whole
time.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Yeah, I mean it really is.
Yeah, it's just a game, man youfigure.
Once you figure it out, it'sjust kind of one of those things
like, man I did that, yeah, you, yeah, man, if for anybody
that's, you know, just kind ofgetting started, if you know an
old head that turkey hunts, Imean that's going to be a lot
better option for you to learnthan you know watching a youtube
video.
And somebody started youtubenow and kill four turkeys and
(35:22):
they're teaching you how toturkey hunt.
So I don't know.
Dad always said, uh, don'tlisten to a man about turkey
hunting if his beards can't fillup his pocket and don't listen
to a man about fishing if hisfreezer ain't full of them.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
That's right, that's true, that's a very true
statement.
That's why you can't listen tome about neither one.
Neither one.
Don't listen to me.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
That's good stuff, man.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
I'm excited for it.
It's coming.
It's been hot the last coupledays, but it's about to get cold
again, so the next go around.
It's going to be time.
It's going to be time, I'mready.
We just got to make thedecision.
I know me and Daryl do like bedfishing, turkey hunting.
It's a tough decision.
Y'all know my answer.
I know your answer, dude.
(36:02):
I mean, I know.
I say we just do both.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Yeah, that's easy.
Just take the boat wherever wego.
Just take the.
Hit them both.
Hit them both.
Why not?
Yeah, I feel like my turkeyhunts end pretty fast, pretty
fast, I know when I'm not amessed up.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Yeah, oh yeah, I know , when I'm messed up, that's
hard to overcome too.
When something doesn't go rightand he's not going your way,
it's like well, what do I do now?
And what you think to doautomatically is over try.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
You got to try to somehow you know James Bond save
this turkey hunt and you end upscrewing it up.
When you could have just cameback the next day with a better
plan and probably killed him.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Yeah, just let him have it for the day.
Come to it for now.
I can't ever do that.
Nah, I have a hard time.
You know, two years ago I wentturkey hunting and this is funny
, I it's just funny.
I got there, got all set up,knew where the turkey was and
everything called him up.
He gets like 60 yards and Irealized I didn't ever put a
shell in my gun.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Oh, that sucks, dude.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
So I'm just sitting there like it's too late to put
a shell in my gun, and he's justsitting there and just blow it
up in front of me and I'm justlike it sucks.
Yeah, that's cool.
Didn't see that turkey again.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Hey, turkey hunting will make you do some stupid
stuff.
I'm not talking about juststupid, I mean it'll test your
morals and everything.
Turkey hunting is crazy.
What will it do to you?
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Yeah, we're all human right.
At the end of the game you gotto kill them for the game to be
the game.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
So you kind of want to come out on top Sometimes.
I want to be part of that newhunting club.
Everywhere you seen it yeah,posted, yeah, posted.
Hunting club.
I want to be part of that someday.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
You already know.
The problem is, you hear themgobbling.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
You know they're fired up.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
You're fired up.
Yeah, why wouldn't we just makethis thing weird?
Speaker 3 (37:51):
You don't walk seven back and forth, like just down a
little line and just like yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
If it ain't going on.
Man, I walk a lot of milestrying to strike a turkey and
that's my favorite part about itis, you know you can be hot and
tired and you know, walk asix-mile loop on this mountain,
something like that, and you mayget back to the truck and you
might yell at one time thatsucker, go your passenger side
door.
So it's just a game of you gotto go to know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
No joke, Absolutely no.
It's one of them things, dude.
You need to go and experienceit and you'll either love it or
you'll never do it again.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
More likely.
You'll probably love it.
If you have a good turkey hunt,it's going to be hard not to
love it.
I mean, have you ever got lostout there though?
Yeah, I've got lost out therebefore he did.
Did he get lost?
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Yeah, I got lost.
That's a story for another day.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Really, you got lost lost, lost lost, lost lost.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
You got lost lost.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Facebook lost.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Yeah, I was a kid, I was in high school.
What First time I ever went toMississippi and we're hunting
National Forest down there andthere's no phone service.
We yeah, and it gets to beevening time and I'm like, well,
here, just let me out righthere on this walking road and
I'll walk in and, you know, tryto reach Turkey all the way down
there in the bottom orsomething.
And uh, well, I'm walking andyou know, I take a four-wheeler
(38:59):
trail that looked a little moreclear than this other little
trail and just end up takingsome turns I probably shouldn't
have took.
Yeah, and uh, all of a sudden athunderstorm comes, phone died
and I didn't have a flashlightor nothing.
And so I'm at this point Ithink I know where I'm going and
I walk the opposite way ofwhere I should have went.
(39:19):
Oh my gosh, it turns into likemidnight and it's 30 degrees.
I'm soaking, wet, crossing logsand I'm just trying to pick a
sound in the distance to follow,and maybe I'll walk across a
road or something and finallyI'm just freaking, freezing to
death, and I don't know how manypeople's leases I crossed that
night and finally found a foodplot with a deer stand on it and
(39:40):
I climb up in it to get out ofthe rain and I take all my
clothes off and try to dry themout.
And it's one of them cold nights.
That box stand had red walls init and they were getting cold
and they were falling out of thenest.
And so I'm sitting there inthis chair and I hear stuff
going on.
I'm like I don't care, I'm notgetting back out in the rain,
and all of a sudden red wallsstarted falling on me and I'm
like, oh my God.
And so it breaks daylight and Iget my clothes back on and I'm
(40:05):
coming down the ladder.
There's deer standing about tostart walking again.
And I see a guy walk around thecorner toting a decoy bag and
I'm like look, dude, I ain'tover here hunting your stuff.
I promise you, man, I'm lost.
He's like I heard about you.
He's like, yeah, there's like12 game wardens up there at the
gas station, finna, come lookfor you.
He said I'm the chief of policeover here.
I was like I'm sorry if I ruinyour hunt or something.
Can you just point me whichtrail to take to get up out of
(40:27):
here?
And he gave me a ride back andgot me back to my mom would make
me come home, right then.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Oh, you was done.
She shut it down.
She shut it down son, her youngtover.
Yeah, she's like.
I ain't no more of that youdone messed up.
Yeah, it happens easy, don't it?
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
You get turned around , man.
That's the first time you gotso much technology.
Now, man, if you get lost, man,it's kind of your own.
I don't even think Onyx was athing back then.
It wasn't.
Google Maps ain't going to loadand all that crap, especially
if your phone's dead.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Yeah, that happens quick I'll tell you what, though
I mean.
That happens every year.
People get lost every year.
I mean, really think about it.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Now at the river when we were hunting I had a buddy
come with me.
The day I killed that big deer,the buddy that was hunting with
me went upriver and he killed adeer too and walked in there.
Same thing, it's dark.
Phones died and I mean in them,river bottoms, everything looks
the same.
And finally I just sat thereand looked Right before my phone
died.
I got like a line on my phoneand kind of towards the river
where the boat was, and I lookedup and I seen a big old, bright
(41:35):
star and I said don't talk tome, don't touch me.
I said knock stuff down infront of me.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
I'm walking straight to that star and I walked
straight to it and came right upon the boat.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Yeah, that's insane.
Yeah, imagine that.
You know, me and Fred.
One day we were duck hunting atthe Metro and he's like that
hole that y'all like to alwayshunt, you know, and we walk into
it.
It was me, him and Zach, andsomebody else was with us too,
and we took off walking at 4.
Yeah, it was like 5.30.
We still ain't made it there.
Yeah, and I'm like Fred, Ipromise you, I've seen this same
light over there to our left.
(42:07):
I've seen this same tree Like.
We've walked past that personlike four times now and he's
like.
He looks around.
Like a couple of times he looksagain.
You're not afraid.
Yeah, he's like man.
You might be right.
I know for a fact, we'rewalking in circles right now.
(42:29):
Because, his phone went lowbecause he had like whatever
maps, google or something.
It was funny apps, google orsomething.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
It was funny.
That's just so funny.
You know they got those littleGarmin like their GPS things,
but they're real small.
You can just like clip them onsomewhere, yeah, and from like,
if you ever get lost or anything, you hit the SOS button and it
sends a.
You know it sends like a pin,like to all your people that
have.
You know, other devices likethat I don't ever use it, we
never get lost.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Yeah, I don't ever use it, but I still keep a
little compass in my turkey vest.
I don't even know if it works.
The sucker's been in thereforever.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
How many people do you think, like if you took like
new generation young guys, saylike 20 years old, and you just
dumped them out in the woods.
Yeah, you know, like you kindof gave them a general like your
position here, the compass, Ibet.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
What does that percentage look like?
We're talking like born afterwhat year?
I'm talking about like 96 andup.
I'm talking about 18-year-oldsnow.
18-year-olds now.
One out of every 20.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
If you just grabbed a random group, of 500 people and
threw them out there, I bet 10out of the 500.
You're going to see someFacebook posts being shared.
I'll tell you that yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
You know, I mean how many people make it out with a
compass.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Yeah, if you gave them a compass and just a map to
go north or something.
To be honest with you, have youever been put in a position
where, like you, had to use yourcompass?
Yes, where you're like.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Okay, this is the only way I'm getting out of here
is with this compass.
I mean yeah, but I mean alsojust kind of new too.
I could use it If I could use acompass, if I yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
I've been in places you know you can't hear nothing
Like you can't hear road traffic, right, you can't hear a train
or nothing like that.
But that's most of the timewhen you're in the woods, man,
you're decently close enough towhere you're going to hear a
boat coming up the river oryou're going to hear, you're
going to hear something, andthat compass, man, all you.
(44:12):
I mean you don't three miles,but you're going to get out,
you're going to make itsomewhere.
Yeah, because as soon as thatnoise is gone, you're going to
be ear to the left, a little bitof ear to the right, and all of
a sudden you're going to hearthe same sound back behind you.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
If I was in a situation where my phone was
dying, I would look at my map.
You know I'd be like, okay, I'mnortheast of the river.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
I parked somewhere over there, my goal like if I
got lost in the woods and I knewI was on the river, I'd be like
I just need to know somewherewhich my phone's about to die.
I'm 1%.
I'd put it like this flat, seewhich way the river is and be
like northeast.
Okay, I'm going northeast, Imight be 10 miles northeast, but
I'm eventually going to findthe river.
My memory.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
I have to take a picture of it and like I don't
get lost.
Anyways, don west, how manykids do you think even know sun
rises in the east and sets inthe west?
I bet a bunch don't.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
There's a lot, there's a lot that's another way
you could.
You know when I came in here,the sun was.
I was walking to the sun.
Yeah, now so the sun's setting.
I need to go the oppositedirection of that yeah, that's
true.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
I hate to be lost out out there all day, though you
got to wait a long time for thesun to start setting.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Yeah, you start doing like you start making up shit.
You never even heard before.
You're like okay.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
In the daytime.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
There's no excuse to get lost in the daytime the
squirrel climbs the north sideof the tree.
I've seen moss on this side onfour trees now.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
The moss is obviously letting it go this way.
Yeah, I know you're excited.
Yeah, man, I'm excited to fish.
I feel like I'm always excitedfor the next season.
Yeah, even during the currentseason.
Yeah, I'm kind of ill with that.
Yeah, we're constantly worryingabout the next season when
we're in the season we're in.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Yeah, yeah, I ain't going to lie to you, man.
It's always on my mind when I'mdeer hunting.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
I'm thinking about a turkey.
They're shaking.
That's when they ate up with it.
Absolutely, man.
Well, I hope you kill.
I hope you kill them all thisyear.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Yeah, I appreciate it , man, go around, smash them,
man, if y'all don't care.
Uh, this past, this past deerseason, uh, I had a guy.
Now I talked to this guy oninstagram before and he hunts
over there.
We're the same place, we deerhunt and we have this campground
.
Uh, and you know, I just talkedto him on instagram before.
Well, somehow I run into himover there, we're the same place
, we deer hunt, yeah, it's acampground, and you know, I just
talked to him on Instagrambefore.
Well, somehow I run into himover there this year and we're
(46:21):
just talking and his brother'swith him, and I don't even
remember his name and, and I'mpretty sure I was drinking a
beer.
I'm pretty sure, yeah, just offthe top rope, man, he's like
man.
I just want to tell you, man, Iain't ashamed of it.
I just want to tell you JesusChrist is my Lord and Savior and
if you don't know him, I'd loveto introduce him to you.
And man, that, right there,that story changed my life.
(46:44):
Probably more than anythingelse on this planet it's ever
changed my life.
I don't you know you always talkabout being a good Christian
and stuff like that.
I never had to do it like thisto that level, so I just wanted
to kind of pass that on.
Man, If none of this ispossible without my Lord and
Savior, Jesus Christ, and if youdon't have a relationship with
Him, I'd love for y'all to get ahold of me and I can introduce
(47:04):
the two of you.
So I don't want to leave herewithout saying that.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Absolutely man.
That's the perfect way to wrap,absolutely.
And everything happens for areason.
Yeah, it does.
The people you meet, the object, you know the obstacles you
have to overcome.
Yeah, I mean, it's all just aget lost in Mississippi and
start toting a compass Betterfreshen up with your compass,
skills, guys, 100%.
Well, that wraps this thing up,guys, thanks for watching.
(47:29):
Make sure you leave a like,subscribe and hit the bell for
notifications.
And we're going to see somepictures this year hopefully
he's going to send us in of himsmashing turkeys and if you
ain't never turkey hunting.
Go turkey hunting becauseyou're going to love it.
Yeah, that's it All right,Catch you on the next one.
Thank you.
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