THE BROTHERHOOD OF BATTLE - Frank West | Ep057 | Off The Clock with B Scott - Off The Clock with B Scott

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's five o'clock and you're off the clock.
Now with me today I got Jake,dad and Daryl and our special
guest is Frank West.
Okay, so brief background onFrank.
He builds two-stroke motors andhis driver is Nick West.
And man, they are a fast combo,hard to beat.
Now we're not going to talkmuch about that, but what we're
going to talk about is hismilitary service.
Alright, he's a combat veteranand a true patriot.

(00:22):
A combat veteran and a truepatriot.
So you guys pay attention.
This man loves his country andhe's going to tell us what he
sacrificed and what he wentthrough when he was serving.
So, guys, don't miss it.
Make sure you leave a like, hitthe bell for notifications,
let's get into it.
So, frank, let's get right intothis.
As a veteran, looking back towhen you was a kid, did you feel

(00:43):
like a need to serve?
Was it something you alwayswanted to do?
What made you make thatdecision?

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Well B Scott.
A big part of my life and myfamily's life was serving my
grandfather, mygreat-grandfather, my
great-uncles.
They all served.
I just felt in my heart thatthat's something I wanted to do,
Kind of walked the same path.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Sure, you felt like it was your duty.
Yeah, you know your elder, yourfamily's did it.
So you felt like you know, as aman, it's what you needed to do
.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
And I love my country .
You know I wanted to do my partbecause I didn't feel like
there was enough out there thatwas standing and stepping up,
doing it, you know, was standingand stepping up and doing it.
Man, your country to me, yourfamily and your country, that's
your values.
If you don't have that, youdon't have nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
That's right, that's right.
So whenever you went to enlist,what year was that?

Speaker 2 (01:42):
I started in 94 and enlisted and just went from
there.
It was a crazy ride, didn't donothing forever.
9-11 hit and man guys, my lifewas a blur.
It was just a crazy blur.
We just boots on the groundrocking and rolling.
Finally got the call in 03 todo the train up.

(02:06):
We trained up, we shipped into.
Well, we went into Fort Polk,louisiana.
We shipped out of there intoKuwait, we flew.
We spent about 20, 25, 30, notquite that long but pretty close

(02:26):
, I can't really remember therein Kuwait At that time we got
all of our equipment ready,everything that we needed for
our battle.
Pretty well, our warning order,we log packed.
Um, we convoyed from Kuwaitinto um in Iraq and, uh, we, we

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slept where we could, how wecould, pulled security, um, till
we got everything, everybody,my whole battalion in there.
Um, everybody got theirassignments where they was going
to, everybody got theirassignments where they was going
to.
My platoon and 1st Platoon ofCharlie Company, 39th Infantry.

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We went into a little patrolbase they called Fort Apache and
that's where we run missionsout of.
It was right up against theHaifa River.
We done mounted, dismountedpatrols.
We done a lot of snatch andgrabs.
Y'all guys remember the deck ofcards've done a lot of
snatching grabs.
Y'all guys remember the deck ofcards.
We've done a bunch of those andwe've done a lot of
implementing some like nightraids.

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We've done a lot of night raids.
We would go out from the wireand the population there is
unreal.
I mean just unreal.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
It's a lot of people Is it a really small, compact
area.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Pretty well.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
There's little areas, you know, and just people
though, did it have you on edgeof being so many people around,
just constantly, just on edge?

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Every day.
My patrol base alone, we tookin 289 mortar rounds.
And it's probably about athousand by thousand square
little patrol base where we live.
We live actually in one of theUday and Cusay's little palace
little houses.
It was trash but that's wherewe lived.
We lived actually in one of theUday and Cousin's little palace
little houses.

(04:26):
It was trash but that's wherewe lived out of and we ate MREs
and all the above forever untilwe could get the battalion to
come and escort log pack to usfor food and stuff and they
didn't want to.
Part of where we were man, fortApache was the devil.

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We was right in his stronghold,saddam's.
So they come in and startshooting mortar rounds.
We had went to some trainingand learned to shoot better than
what we already could.
We're Arkansas boys, so wecould already shoot, that's
right, yeah, and learned toshoot better than what we
already could.
We're Arkansas boys, so we couldalready shoot.
That's right.
Yeah, they threw us some M14sand we set up with Leupold

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Tackles and we went out and donesome counter mortar.
The guys shooting the mortarswould go out so far and they'd
shoot them into us and our 11Charlies didn't have a job.
Actually, one of Brian Jessen'scousins, chris Pekulski he's
one of our 11 Charlies, good kid, he'd come out, he'd deploy
with us.
He'd go out in the wire becausehe didn't want to sit there.

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You know he wanted to be partof it.
But they would do a mortarcrater analysis and determine
where they were coming from.

Speaker 5 (05:42):
So was you a sniper before you went or did you get
sniper training after you went?

Speaker 2 (05:50):
So we done some, not a lot, but before I've done the,
we started doing the snipershooting after we got there.
Okay, I got you Before we gotthere.

Speaker 5 (05:59):
So that was like a strategy yes, against what you
guys were getting, mostdefinitely I got you, I got you.
So you guys were getting Mostdefinitely I got you, I got you.
So you guys were getting hit bymortars and everything else.
So you guys said, hey, you know, we need some snipers, maybe
taking some of these guys out,yeah, taking some of them off.
So then you started thetraining over there for sniper.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
We done some in Little Rock beforehand.

Speaker 5 (06:20):
Okay.
And then we done a little bitin Kuwait because they knew that
was going to come.
I got you we were alreadygetting radio intel that
something was happening.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
So you say 800 meters is where they're attacking you
guys from.
Some of it, like some of thelongest shots, is 350.
I got you Maximum effectiverange for that round 308, 762 by
51, I think it is.
It's 800 meters.
So your job was mainly to lookout for mortar attack locations

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and take out the mortar people.
So we would take I would take athree-man, three to four-man out
of my squad and we would exfilout of our patrol base and we
would go find a hide in thatarea and we would stay hid and
we would hide for three or fourdays, however long it took,
sometimes as long as supplies,you know.

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Sometimes they'd do a drop,they'd give us a grid and we'd
go find our food because they'ddrop it off, food and water.
We would sit there three orfour or five days and wait on
them to come in and startshooting.
The shooter's job, basically,is to get the guy aiming the
mortar.
That was mortar to him becausethat's what he was doing.
And then they have a securityteam.
As soon as you hit them, youhit QRP because they were

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rolling and they had to be there.
It got nasty.
Wow, that's just part of someof the stuff we've done.
We've done.
It was part of the Million manMarch, the first election it was
.
It was hairy.
It was an experience Do you?

Speaker 5 (08:01):
regret going into the military.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
I don't regret it.
If I could be the man I wastoday, I would be, it would be
awesome.
You know, things change.
That changes you.

Speaker 5 (08:20):
What do?
What does the military?
What did the military do foryou?
Like, you run a business, youknow North Arkansas and you sell
a lot of Havoc boats.
I mean you also race.
You know is the military, youget some of that from the
military the brother band ofbrothers type, the group that

(08:41):
sticks up for everybody.
I mean, are you seeing some ofthat in the race season?

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Oh, most definitely as a combat infantry veteran.
And through my eyes, when youcome home and you're finished
and you're done, you feel likeyou're not such that sergeant,
no more that man that makesthings happen.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Like you might have lost your you know.
I guess you would say rank, yes, your manhood, Just blend right
back in.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Sure, and you know you want to be part of something
.
You yearn for.
That that's part of, I think,growing and learning and it's a
big thing to have thatadrenaline, to be able to be
part of something and berewarding.
You know, it was so rewardingfor me actually to have served

(09:37):
in the military and do thethings that we had to do to come
home and for our guys to haveand unfortunately all of them
didn't.
But you know that's war, as weall know.

Speaker 5 (09:54):
You know, war gives everybody freedom.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Most definitely.

Speaker 5 (09:58):
That's why we're able to stay, have this podcast and
go fishing and hunting.
You know what you guys do overthere is why we have so much
freedom.
I just wish more people in thisworld would understand that.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
I think a lot of people don't really understand.
No, the sacrifice it takes Likeone of the guys who hunts for me
, rick, you know he was over andhe went to Iraq too and he
served and he would always talkabout it.
He's like like man, peopledon't respect you know, respect
that what we did.
He's like he told me, like whenhe first came back, they like
how hard it was.
Like you come back, like whatfrank was just saying.

(10:31):
Like you like you're kind oflost, like you're over there.
He's like you're riding on topof the, the trucks and stuff.
You know you're.
You're that guy like trying tofind a place it's the
brotherhood.
It's the brotherhood come backand people like people like you
hold the door for people wherepeople just don't read, like
people that just like talk, geton facebook and talk about how
bad america is and all that, andhe's like we go and I put my, I
put my life on the line andlike trying to for my kids and

(10:53):
for those people and they don'teven respect enough to say, like
how much we're doing for thiscountry, you know yeah it's a
brotherhood.
It's just kind of like why theyjust disgrace it you know,
sometimes he gets on socialmedia and he just like, hates it
because it's people don't like,it's the sacrifice they do.
You know selfish.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
So people are selfish , people that don't understand,
like the ultimate sacrifice,like what is the ultimate
sacrifice?
You know soldiers make it allthe time.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
Yeah, you know there's like he's like the stuff
I see, like I don't even wantto talk about it.
You know I not come back andsee people say this country
sucks.

Speaker 5 (11:23):
I think more people should go in the military.
Yeah, 100% For sure.
I mean they don't.
They aren't grateful of people.
You know some people are, somepeople aren't, but you know I'm
a military family, I came from amilitary family, so I'm
definitely grateful.
But you know things like and itgoes back to baseball you know,
jake, you play baseball right,b Scott played baseball and I

(11:46):
always thought that baseball wasa form of that, because they
all work together.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Most have a team.

Speaker 5 (11:51):
And it's an individual sport, more like it's
a team sport, but it takesindividual talents, yeah, so you
know baseball.
I always preached baseball.
You know a team team sport,military team sport, you know
you know a team team sport,military team sport, you know.
But people that don't playbaseball or join the military
people just I don't know, theyjust have a different view of

(12:13):
what a team is, yeah, and theynever really experienced a
brotherhood.
You know, one of my favoritemovies you know war movies is,
you know, is Brotherhood.
It's about the Brotherhood.
Hamburger Hill, you May Go BackPlatoon, I mean all of those
movies.
You know what I'm talking about.
It's the Brotherhood, whatsomebody would do for somebody

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else, a stranger, once they'reput in that situation and you
know, a lot of people don'tunderstand that when they come
back to the US.
You know, my dad came back fromPanama and he came back from
You're looking for that.
Yes, dad was missing.
I mean, you could tell.
I mean he got to see his family, but that only lasts a few
seconds.
He was more worried about thepeople he left behind.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
It's a rare breed.

Speaker 5 (12:56):
It's a rare breed, yeah, you look for folks like
that.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
And that's kind of why I mean, I'm going to be
honest with you guys.
It's an honor to be part ofdoing some of this stuff for you
guys, what y'all are doing,because I know and I feel it in
my heart that it's good things.
It is, it's a part of somethingand, man, I haven't had nothing
but wonderful, positiveexperiences since I've been

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doing this.
Yeah, I want y'all to know that.

Speaker 5 (13:24):
It's like a brotherhood.
I appreciate it Absolutely, andHavoc is kind of like a
brotherhood.
Really it is no, our customerservice is unmatched.
We try to take care ofeverybody and we're so
passionate and it's definitelycame from a military background.
You take care of your people.
It came from a militarybackground, for sure.
It's also great to have youhere because you know what

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you've gone through and whatyou've experienced.
A lot of people just neverexperience that.
And when you get on social mediaand you see all the hate and
all the bickering and fighting,you say, man, what are you
fighting for?
What are you arguing about?
You know it's stupid, right,but you know, do you miss the
military?
I mean, let's talk about theadrenaline.

(14:13):
Like you know, you're overthere.
There's a good chance you'regoing to die.
You could die in a battle,right, and that adrenaline keeps
you going.
So when you come back to the US, how do you adapt to the
regular lifestyle that we're allsupposed to live?
Well, I mean, how do you adaptto the regular lifestyle that
we're all supposed?

Speaker 2 (14:26):
to live Well, I mean, how do you deal with that?
I haven't adapted yet to thisday.

Speaker 5 (14:30):
Is that why you race so much?

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yes, I seek whatever I can find to help fill that
void.

Speaker 5 (14:36):
Yeah, you get bored, you get bored.
You sit there and you'rethinking.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
I do and I'm vigilant a lot.
You know I still got my 3 amroll call every morning.
I'm up, I make my little deal,I make my round, I make my
circles, everything's safe.
I'm back to bed.
I have no problem fallingasleep and staying asleep, you
know, and I wake up sometimesand I wake up in memories and

(15:04):
thoughts of events and you knowI have to do my thing.
And I figured out, because I'vetried every other way and
there's a couple of ways that Ifigured out how to try to vent
and calm myself down for that.
And, man, I've learned to knowthat I'm not too big to drop to
my knees and pray and you know,thank God it's helped me because

(15:29):
I'm still here.
You know I've lost a couple ofmy men that have come home and
they made a permanent decisionfor a temporary problem in their
life and they're not here today.
It's sad because there's alwaysa choice.
There's always somebody outthere that cares and your

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brothers are out there and I'mjust.
I know that I'm not stupidenough to realize, to know that,
unless that's it, you know, gethelp.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
It is sad.
And then like and then you havepeople that haven't served,
that are trying to diagnose andsolve these problems and they
don't understand.
They don't understand theproblem, so you can't solve
something you don't understand.

Speaker 5 (16:12):
A lot of people don't take the time to understand
these people.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
No, they just write them off as crazy or just blah,
blah, blah, whatever, and theyjust basically just put them in
their own little category.
They're the ones telling them,they're crazy.

Speaker 5 (16:23):
They're the crazy ones.
They are.
I mean absolutely.
I mean.
What do you think, jay?

Speaker 4 (16:28):
Yeah, I just think there's not enough people, you
know, on the right side, andeverything these people put on
social media.
They just don't have arealization of what they're
putting.
And then that's traveling toeverybody else, that's on social
media and that's kind of allthey're saying and there's not

(16:48):
enough people saying no, thatthat's, that's not right and I
mean I can't imagine what you'vegone through and it's just.
We're very grateful for it foreverybody.
I can speak for tim and thewhole company absolutely, it's
just, I can speak for.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Tim and the whole company.
It's just we can't.
Imagine without men like you,men who served and risked it all
for the greater cause, none ofthis would be anything remotely
like it is.
It just pisses me off.

Speaker 5 (17:19):
I want to go out there and beat somebody up and
talk shit about somebody.
I mean it's just stupid.
I see it all the time on socialmedia.
I hate it.
I hate it.
They need to be shipped off toa battle zone or they need to be
enrolling military.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
They need to go to boot camp.
Send them to a third worldcountry.

Speaker 5 (17:37):
I see it all the time .
I see it all the time on socialmedia.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
They just become desensitized to it that on
social media before they getthere, I mean they just become
desensitized to it and it I meanthat's all they see.

Speaker 5 (17:49):
So the more they see it, the more they're going to
repeat it, and there's not a lotof guys, I mean.
I remember my dad came backfrom just caused.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
I mean he was a wreck .

Speaker 5 (18:00):
I mean it was a wreck , I mean you know, years later
we have an OSHA meeting here andwe find out the pilot of the
C-130 dropped my dad in thePanama 500 feet and he gets shot
up.
You know, so it's a small world, but you know, people don't
really realize what these peoplego through.
They have no idea, man, becauseI remember when my dad came

(18:21):
home, I know when he came home Iran out there and hugged him.
You see it on TikToks, allthese military families, and
that's true, that is so true forme giving the hug.
But what he is walking into,he's more scared coming home
than he was over there.
And that's what people don'tunderstand.

(18:42):
It's like these people cominghome that's not their home, no
more.
No, it pushed them to a limitwhere they had to survive.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
And once you get to push that part of your life,
it's different.
And even for him, then you cansee how it was portrayed for him
and being like, wow, you know,this is America, yeah.
Him and being like, wow, youknow, this is America, yeah.
And then, even as it progresses, you know you got to stop and
think about, like we are, thisis America, yeah.

(19:16):
And there's so much taken outof America that people are
trying to do every day I know itand it blows my mind, you know
like with your father, you sensethat, yeah, you see that, you
feel it, you hear it every dayas a combat veteran, that's

(19:38):
something that's very near anddear to your heart is America
your country?
And when you see peoplespatting it and they want to
take America out of America,Right, and they want it to be a
different country, so to sayRight, it's a tough pill to

(19:59):
swallow.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Like, why do they?
Even it is because.
Then you're like okay, I knowwhat I did, yeah, I know what my
battle buddies, you know,sacrificed.
It's like why do we do that?
For people that are ungratefulpeople that don't take this, you
know, if you don't love America, I know.

Speaker 5 (20:18):
Then get out.
Get out 100 percent.
Get out.
If you don't love America, getout 100 percent.
I mean it's just total bullshit.
I don't get it.
These people have lost theirdamn minds.
But you know, sit there andjudge somebody, you know it's
crazy.
You know social media too.
You know I was talking to acustomer today on social media.
I mean, social media is thesame way they go.

(20:40):
On social media they say allthis bullshit.
They don't know what they'retalking about, but they're
spitting facts.
They don't even know whatthey're talking about.
You know, the social media hasdone this to people.
Attention.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yes, and there's no consequences for anything.
You can literally get onlineand say anything about anything,
have no knowledge of it, andthere's no consequences if it's
wrong.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
They just want to like, and then they see the
person when they shake your hand.
That's what makes me mad.
Yeah, you deal with it.
I think it's funny.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
I mean, it's just that you think it's funny.

Speaker 5 (21:05):
I mean he deals with it every day.
Daryl's fighting with him,we're all fighting with him.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
All the time I'm like I got nothing but time to argue
with you.
Honestly, I have nothing.
They will.
That will roast their ass, I'msure.

Speaker 5 (21:27):
So, you remember that when you get on there and start
talking shit, frank, I got aquestion for you, sure.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
There's something me and Rick were talking about
because he served, and I thinkit's something we all should
really push forward too you mademe remind me of it Is come back
like veteran stuff, like weshould really make it to where
they should be able to go huntany state as a resident, like
paying the non-resident license.
I think so If you served so.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Fair enough.
Well, that being said, to acertain extent, obviously, you
know there is states that doprovide that.
They offer that in Missouri.
Yeah, you can buy anon-resident license for a
resident price as a veteran.
Yeah, you can buy anon-resident license for a
resident price as a veteran.
Yeah, you basically buy aresident state of Louisiana the

(22:12):
same way.
I think Arkansas should reallydo that.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
Is Arkansas not one of?

Speaker 2 (22:15):
the states no.

Speaker 5 (22:18):
There's a lot of things.
Well, they shouldn't pay fullprice, huh.
No, they shouldn't pay fullprice.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
No, I'm saying, like a non-resident that comes and
serves, they should be able togo to any state in the country
and hunt fish for resident price.
I agree Absolutely.
I think that's something that'slike real, like you know.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
I think it's all kind of screwed up.
I mean, I'm not, it's not free.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
You get Frank talking about.

Speaker 5 (22:41):
Arkansas Game of Fish .
We're going to be here a while.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
I'm not even going to go there today.
We'll just skip over that.
Who knows?

Speaker 1 (22:50):
what they are Go back to.
What episode was that?
Two, three.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
I feel like we are all.
It don't matter if you're fromMississippi, alabama, florida,
georgia, even up north, and Iknow we had the big war there,
the Civil War and all this.
We're all Americans, yeah, andI think we should all start to,

(23:18):
in my opinion, look out for eachother, no matter what state
we're from, and that's myopinion.
Right, everybody's got anopinion, but that's mine.
I believe that we're allAmericans.
We should all fight the fighttogether and it shouldn't take
away from one or the other justbecause we live in one state or
the other.

Speaker 5 (23:34):
I agree 100%.
You know some people don'tbelieve that I mean and war.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
One thing that war does is it does unite the
country.
It humbles you.
You know, like the people, likewhen there's a common enemy,
you know you find a way to makeit work with who's around you.
You know you work together andthen you bond together.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
So blessed, so blessed, so blessed to see it
and experience in a way that itdidn't matter, you know, and I
know, and that's why I preach itnow, today is the experiences
that I made and my sacrificesthat I made.
It was amazing.

(24:17):
I didn't care, I didn't care ifyou were black, blue, green,
yellow, orange what your namewas, what country you were from.

Speaker 5 (24:24):
It doesn't matter what country you were from.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah, race doesn't matter.
If you was there beside me,that's right.
Fighting for a better wellbeing, for a better purpose and
watching my back, You're mybrother.

Speaker 5 (24:37):
Yeah, it's the foxhole deal.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Most definitely.

Speaker 5 (24:40):
Foxhole reward.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
That's right.
Yeah, jake got that in college,right?
What was it?
Two years in a row?
Yeah, yeah, I went to the lastone.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
yeah, that's I mean that's one of my biggest honors,
for sure, um yeah, it's calledthe foxhole reward our coach,
chris curry.
Uh, he was a big military nut,like every.
Everything he talked about,every comparison he made, he
found some way to do a militarycomparison to it, and one of
those things was a foxhole awardand it was a team voted deal.

(25:09):
And Jake won it twice.
Yeah, and that's my biggestaccomplishment by far.
That's awesome and beyond allthe performance awards, anything
like that, that is for sure mybiggest and being honest, jake,
I wouldn't remember any of theawards besides that one I mean I

(25:30):
did bring it up right becauseit's character, you know so.

Speaker 5 (25:34):
So it is a judgment of character for sure, unless
you did have red hair and stuckout yeah, that helps for sure
but, but you did get the rewardyeah, twice, I guess I mean did
you get three times or justtwice, just twice.
Okay, I was there both times,you were.
Yeah, it was good yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
Yeah, can you kind of speak on that, frank?
I mean, we've talked aboutbeing in Iraq and then, kind of
afterwards, can you tell me alittle bit about the exit and
what that took, as far as youknow the guys who had your back
and things like that.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Well, sure, you know you were used to the whole thing
, your whole platoon, your whole, your company, all up to that
level which we lived basicallywith together.
And you come home and you knowit was.

(26:31):
It was guys.
I never thought I was evenhuman.
At times it was 16, 17 hourdays.
On the end We'd get back, beable to throw our feet up, try
to find somewhere to lay down.
Bam, gotta go, gotta go, gottago, gotta go.
Something would blow up,something would hit the fan and

(26:52):
we'd go Non-stop for man for thebiggest part of the full year.
And you learn and you live thatway every day and you come home
there's no demob, basically,for what we had.

(27:17):
There was some, but not a lot.
You're done, you know.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
It's like the switch just off.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
It wasn't like a specific mission that had to be
completed for y'all to get out.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
So it was.
We had to bring, I guess, callpeace to the area we was in
between the Sunnis and the Shias, to the area we was in between
the Sunnis and the Shias, andour mission was basically to try
to clean it up and win thehearts and minds, should they
say, if you could.
We basically completed ourmission, we finished our tour

(28:00):
and come home, but what happensis all these kids.
So in a foreign country likethat, where we were in Iraq,
nothing bad about it?
Well, to me it is.
It's the values of human life.
Some people don't have those.

(28:21):
It don't matter if you're women,children, whoever Right, and
I'm going to reiterate this, andit's a tough one, but a lot of
the reasons that these youngkids that were younger, that was
a hard pill for them to swallow.
You know it was do what you hadto do and get it done and go

(28:43):
home.
Or you're going to die or yourbuddies are, and it didn't
matter how old age, race, color,you done it.
And these young kids it's tough.
They come home and they livewith that every day.
Yeah, and you have children,some of them has children, and

(29:03):
you know, you can imagine, youknow you see that face and then
boom, you've got your littlegirl here.
It's hard.
Your mind plays tricks with youguys.
You never know what you see,what you're thinking every day,
because you are a square.
Now when you come home andeverybody else is circles.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah.
You know, that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
So yeah, I would think it would be like a.
I'm sure a lot of people wouldthink it'd be like a moment of
relief when you know you finishthat last mission and you're
headed out to finish your tour.
But I mean, is that kind of awrong perspective on that?

Speaker 2 (29:36):
No, that's a tough one.
There it was, but then itwasn't, because you've got to
try to get back to who you wereand it's like a hard restart.
It's a restart.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
For the most part because, like you spend so much
time, you know, gaining rank,pushing on, pushing on the
mission's over and it's like nowyou're back in the everyday
world and it's like who am I?
I can't imagine like going toWalmart.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Like who am I Even driving?
You know, I drove my home V,for I was the driver, I was the
lead driver there forever.
When we done mounted patrolsand we would have to escort our
company commander a lot of timesup to battalion and yes, you
drove, you did not.
Yes, you drove, you did not.
You didn't stop because if youwere stopped you were going to

(30:26):
get pinpointed, you were goingto get hit with IEDs and small
arms fire.
We didn't stop, luckily, youknow, we got hit, I got my, I've
been rattled bad, but we'rehere.
Some of these kids ain't thatfortunate, you know, and you

(30:46):
even driving when you come home.
I got a letter from the stateof Arkansas a year after I come
home said you get one moreticket, you're going to jail,
you know.
I mean just stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (31:01):
Why'd you drive so fast?
Yes, I know, because you'reused to driving fast over there,
mm-hmm.
So just naturally, you drovefast.
Yeah, and you drive.
How'd you handle road rage?
Did you get mad at road rage?
I still do, to this day, I bet.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
I mean literally I bet Still do to this day.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
Do you ever catch yourself kind of having anxiety,
like you start panicking, likewhen traffic comes to a stop
you're sitting still.
Every day you feel like, okay,I should be moving, I should be
moving, I should be moving, Ishould be moving.
It just starts elevating.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
Every day you know what's crazy Like.
I can only imagine that becauseI don't like a sitting duck,
but it's hard because it's wiredinto you?

Speaker 5 (31:41):
People have no idea.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
It's wired into you through the constant hustle out
there to keep moving, keepmoving, keep moving, and it's
just like you live in it for solong.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
We done QRF a ton.
Anytime anybody was out andabout in our AO's area of
operations, we QRF'd them and soit was blow and go.
You were ready, you jumped inyour trucks and you got out
there and you got to them.
You fought to them if you hadto, to get your people out there

(32:21):
and get them to the green zone,if you had to, or wherever, to
safety or medical.
And so I'm going to tell youguys this a good one here, real
quick.
It weighs on my mind every day.
So you guys know David Burton,mm-hmm.
He's a good kid, good friend.
I QRF'd his patrol in Januaryof 05.

(32:45):
I think it was somewhere alongin there.
They hit his vehicle.
Oh, he was the only one in thevehicle.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
Really.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
That was alive pretty well.
He killed the whole crew, iqr,after I was the guy.
I was the first guy there andit was they IED'd him.
It was they IED'd him 155mortar round him or 155

(33:32):
artillery rounds.
They linked them together andjust blew through that Humvee
like it was M1114, like it wasSwiss cheese.
Good kid, good kid, oh oh, goodkid.

Speaker 5 (33:43):
Good kid.
Yeah, that's terrible.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
And you got to stop and think.
I know like it weighs on youevery day.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
It was like you know, everybody's getting messed up,
everybody's getting like a badone.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, that's just one of them.
There's many more.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
It makes you stop and think you know what's worth it
seeing this, you know.
And then it goes back to youknow everybody says freedom,
fighting for freedom, fightingfor freedom.
You come back and you see whatpeople do with the freedom that
was fought for and it makes youthink you know, maybe some
people don't deserve it.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
No, and you know, for what we do and what we have now
and we receive, like thebenefits we were all blessed.
I don't have to kill myself atall you know, you ever thought
about killing yourself, frank?

Speaker 5 (34:41):
Never crossed my mind .
I couldn't do that to my family, you know.
You ever thought about killingyourself, frank?

Speaker 2 (34:42):
Never crossed my mind .
I couldn't do that to my family.
You know I've had some hell ofa time fellas.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
I bet, I bet.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
But it's just something I could never do.
I wouldn't do that to mychildren, my wife, my mother.

Speaker 5 (34:59):
You're a special person.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
I'll fight the fight.

Speaker 5 (35:02):
That's right.
That's right.
A lot of people don'tunderstand it, do they no?

Speaker 2 (35:09):
No, sir, they don't Well.

Speaker 5 (35:11):
I didn't get a chance to serve in the military, but I
definitely lived it for 20years, for sure, you know it.
Yeah, I wasn't able to join,you know, my wife joined, you
know.
So, oh, awesome, yeah, mywife's in the army.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
yeah, combat medic wow, really yeah, yeah, that's
why she's so squared away, rightyeah, I guarantee it, that
makes a lot of sense, you know.

Speaker 5 (35:37):
Daniel didn't know either, so I learned a big yeah,
so you know, this is a knoweither.
Daniel didn't know either, so Ilearned a big yeah, so you know
, this is a military family ourcompanies ran with military
morals.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
So you know what combat medics?

Speaker 5 (35:48):
well, yeah, you know what their job consists of yeah,
run out there with no gun andhelp people.
Yeah, they're the ones helpingpeople yeah, so our whole family
is military, giving you chills.
You know my dad and my grandpaand my wife.
My dad was in the Air Force.
Yeah, I just couldn't join, butI watched a lot of jumps in

(36:10):
Fort Bragg as a kid.
It's cool stuff.
Yeah, I wanted to jump out ofairplanes.
I still do, but it wouldprobably be on the civilian side
of it.
That's fine.
Yeah, daryl, you're definitelygoing.
Ain't nobody ever seen a blackman jump out of an airplane?

Speaker 3 (36:26):
He never will.

Speaker 5 (36:28):
Perfectly good running plane If Hachimada
playing.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
It's something really wrong.

Speaker 5 (36:32):
You're going, it'll be fun, but you know so.
You know Havoc has ran off ofthose morals.
It really is.
I mean, a lot of people don'tknow that, you know, but we have
zero tolerance of bullshit,really.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
I would say so, yeah, yeah zero tolerance of bullshit
.

Speaker 5 (36:49):
You drag me on the internet.
You're getting it, you know youtalk shit about handicapped
people or talk shit about themilitary.
You're getting it, you know so.
You snowflakes, stay away fromour channel.
But you know so.
You, snowflakes, stay away fromour channel.
But you know so.
It means a lot for you guys tocome up here.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
I appreciate it.
I do.
This is something pretty cool.
I never would have ever thoughtI would have found myself, you
know, even to this point to talkabout something you didn't
think.

Speaker 5 (37:21):
O'Havoc Boats was about this, did you?

Speaker 2 (37:23):
You know, I didn't to that extent, but I do now.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Like when you do talk about it.
I know that there's a lot ofstuff that you haven't really
talked about and told peopleabout, and you know for good
reason, because you don't wantto relive it in a way.
But does it make you feelbetter after you release that,
or is it something that, like,once you release it, then you
feel like you shouldn't havetold people like how's that,
how's that, how's that feel so?

Speaker 5 (37:52):
I'm sure there's some things you don't want to talk
about it, but there's somethings you probably need to talk
about you know, because youeducating people.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
For the time being, you feel a little better.
It don't last real long Justbecause of, like I said, not
just everything going throughyour mind and the life you try
to lead, and then the memoriesand sometimes the flashbacks
still, but it's a society thatwill even trigger you in so many

(38:20):
ways.
What do you mean?
Trigger you?
Well, trigger you into goingback into that mode.

Speaker 5 (38:26):
Back into that.
What the defensive mode?

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Yeah, back to the battle mode, back to everything
that you were part of doing.
What triggers you, though?
What part of society?
Somebody burning my flag reallyburns my tail, and I go back to
the old 11 Bravo.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Because it's disrespectful.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
I want to do corrupt things to those people.
And then there I am, I'm backin combat.

Speaker 5 (38:56):
You're back in defending your flag.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
I'm back in combat again.

Speaker 5 (38:59):
That's what your job was.
That's what you did.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
You defended the country 100% Against whoever,
whenever, and in that moment Imean.
They are truly the enemy of theUnited States.

Speaker 5 (39:10):
Yeah, In that moment they are.
They know Frank, but they don'tknow Frank Frank.
They don't know the Frank, youknow.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
They don't know what made Frank Frank, that's right.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
They don't know what made Frank Frank, that's right.
They don't know the Frank, youknow.
So these, you know all veterans, combat veterans, not all
veterans, but a lot of themthat's experienced some of the.
You know a lot of trials andtribulations of this stuff.
It's really dear to them andany little thing triggers you.
Drivers, you know allowednoises, booms, bangs, pops,

(39:48):
smoke, certain smells and smoke,just be like.
I've smelled that before yeahand it wasn't here nostalgic you
know, and uh, the va has reallycame a long way.
I'm grateful, I'm very grateful.
Um, I've stuck with them, andthat's I mean there's a lot of

(40:10):
good people helping there is,there's some, but what?

Speaker 5 (40:14):
they're trying to help is something they can't
cure.
They can't cure it.
You can't help people like whatyou got, because what you've
experienced is nothing you canre.
You can't duplicate it, right?
You can't fix something youcan't duplicate.
Only way to do it is actuallyput you in an environment, but
people can't cure it, they'rejust, they're just making you
feel better.

(40:34):
Yeah, you know, only person cancure it is you as a person.
And a lot of praying, and a lotof praying and a lot of praying
.
That's right.
That's right.
So what they're doing is justsoothing you right?

Speaker 2 (40:47):
because you, can't you can't cure it.

Speaker 5 (40:49):
I mean you can't.
You can't run to thebattlefield, get shot at and get
your adrenaline up that highand live and survive and live
with people you don't know andprotect them.
You can't repeat that.
That's something you can'trepeat.
It's adrenaline, it's sad, butyou know, I think, what you do

(41:10):
I've seen on Facebook you didthe Veterans Deal and you help
and Havoc helps any way they can, but it goes way back back in
the Holden race, remember.
Yes.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
You remember all that .
I've been part of the WoundedWarrior, Northeast Arkansas
Wounded Warrior for since 12.
Right, you know, and I've beenpart of that.
A lot of people don'tunderstand your background,
that's why I want to do thispodcast.

Speaker 5 (41:39):
You know because you do a lot of this stuff.
You know and nobody reallyknows.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
I want to do this podcast, you know, because you
do a lot of this stuff.
You know and nobody reallyknows.
Most definitely I want to giveit back.
You know I always try to giveit back.
Why do you feel like you needto give it back?

Speaker 5 (41:46):
What do you justify in giving it back?
Why do you think people deserveyour time?

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Because I owe that to them you owe it to them.
Yes, 100% every veteran thatserved my country.

Speaker 5 (41:59):
Now you're talking about the veterans.
I mean, is that why you'redoing it just for the veterans,
or are you doing it to justifysomething within you?

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Now, for sure, I do it to fulfill the void and
educate and try to make adifference.
And with the NEA WoundedWarrior guys, they all
participate and they're all mostof them are veterans.
I served with some of them andyou know it helps me because I

(42:33):
don't even think about in me andmy eyes that and people think
what do you mean?
You're a veteran, yeah, but ithelps you Like you're protecting
.
It's not about me, it's aboutthanking those that did.

Speaker 5 (42:48):
No, it's about the brotherhood and giving it back.
It's the brotherhood.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
So you, you're showing that you're grateful,
yes, Very grateful, For everyonethat did their part and made
sacrifices made.
You know the ultimate sacrifice, you know the ultimate
sacrifice.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
You know you're showing that you're grateful,
most definitely.
You know there's veterans andthat's something that we're
going to try to cross here andsit down and talk about with the
Warner Project is they help alot of veterans and their
families.
They help a lot of veterans andtheir families, their families,

(43:26):
their kids with their needs andthen with, like scholarships
they're big on scholarships foryou know fallen veterans and try
to keep it within the state,within Arkansas.
You know, even local.
So in my opinion and I'll justset a name to you guys while I

(43:50):
go young man Burton, there'sveterans out there, that's still
not in the system Right.
But they're still struggling,guys.
What do you mean?
Not in the system?

Speaker 5 (43:55):
They're not in the VA system.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
Why aren't they in the VA system?
They either choose not to, orthey're too prideful, or they're
just.
The VA just keeps dropping theball on them.

Speaker 5 (44:05):
Prideful thing.
Talk about like I don't needhelp.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
No yes, exactly, and we helped my old platoon
sergeant wonderful.
And again I'm very blessed tohave had the chain of command I
had.
I can't even say I thank themenough.
I will never be able to repaymy chain of command for what

(44:33):
they've done for me.

Speaker 5 (44:34):
What do you mean?
Your chain of command?
You're talking about yourofficers above you.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
My officers, my platoon sergeant, my lieutenant,
my platoon leader, my firstsergeant.
These guys, they had it figuredout, they'd done their job,
they took care of their men.

Speaker 5 (44:53):
They had good leadership.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Wonderful leadership and I'm so blessed.
And, with that being said, tothis day they're doing this now.
They're doing this part,they're doing this part, they're
doing this wounded warrior andthey're helping Chris Ritchie.
He lives in Jacksonville.
He's my old platoon sergeant.
He's doing some stuff forveterans to this day.
Wonderful man, heck of asoldier.

Speaker 5 (45:16):
So you're in contact with all your officers.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Oh, most definitely, Jonathan Stubbs, so you're in
contact with all your officers.
Most definitely, Really.
Jonathan Stubbs.
He's over the National GuardBureau right now.
He's over the Arkansas NationalGuard completely.
What's?

Speaker 5 (45:32):
your leader, Always a leader, huh Frank.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Most definitely.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
What a battle blade for life, yep.

Speaker 5 (45:39):
That's funny how the military works, isn't it?
Sure is I wish all kids would.
Funny how the military works,isn't it Sure is?
I wish all kids would go to themilitary.
They need it, you know, because, just like you said,
leadership's always leadership.
I mean, you're born with it,you know.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Some's good, some's bad, some's ugly.
I was just blessed, I had thegood ones.

Speaker 5 (45:57):
That's right.
Yep, that's right, Absolutely100%.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
And you know, it's like what you were just saying
there.
You think you know everybodyshould experience that.
You know, I think that you knowit wouldn't be a bad deal, at
least play baseball.
Yeah, I mean.
Well, you think, like ifeverybody served like two years,
you know you'd have discipline,you'd have teamwork, you'd get
a lot of skills that some peoplejust miss out on, you know, and

(46:21):
it could potentially save theirlives, you know.

Speaker 5 (46:25):
I mean I think men need leadership.
I mean they need to be taughtleadership or at least shown
leadership, and you're not goingto learn it unless you play
some kind of team sport ormilitary.
They just need to learn.
They need to learn how to loseright, they need to learn what a
sacrifice is and they need tolearn true leadership of a man.

(46:47):
The man role is in a marriageor at work or whatnot.
You have your women, you gotyour men, you got military, you
know whatever.
And I'm not sexist, by no means, good Lord.
I'm just saying it is what itis, you know what.
I'm saying.
It is what it is there.
Know what I'm saying?
It is what it is.
There is a man in this worldand there's a woman in this
world, right, right, a hundredpercent, and that's what they

(47:07):
should be, that's right.
And most young men don't knowwhat true leadership is.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
No, there's three types of leaders you know
authoritative, delegative andparticipative.
You've got to practice allthree.
You do, your people won't bethere for you when it comes time
.
There's got to be a balance.
You need them and discipline.
To me, discipline is probably—.

Speaker 5 (47:33):
What do you mean?
Discipline?
What kind of discipline, Frank?

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Well, you know the individual or group attitude
that ensures— Discipline on whatthough?

Speaker 5 (47:40):
Discipline on the Bible?
Discipline on what though?
Discipline on the Bible?
Discipline on morals?

Speaker 2 (47:43):
First, do you know what discipline is?
Individual or group attitudeensures prompt obedience to
orders and initiative to takeappropriate action in the
absence of orders.
And discipline, you know, runsall along in what you're taught,
how you're raised, and whatyour parents teach you and you

(48:05):
grow, you go with it.
You know you have to practicediscipline in every aspect of
life.

Speaker 5 (48:10):
Like what's right and wrong?
Maybe Most definitely.
Right, because you have achoice, common sense, common
sense survival skills, maybecommon sense Sure, it's like you
know it's like with B Scotthere.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
You know he's whew, this is awesome, havoc is
growing.
It's just pretty cool stuff,you know.
And he's had to have disciplineand self-discipline to be able
to do what he's doing, becausedad has instilled that in him
and dad may not be there.
Dad's not going to be there therest of his life.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
No, I think we get prepared every day for me to die
well you know, I mean, I meanthat's real, I mean that's like
a straightforward way.

Speaker 5 (48:52):
Hey, we had a comment we had a conversation a couple
days ago.
I was like okay, if I dietomorrow, what are you going to
do?

Speaker 2 (48:58):
you know, and it's just discipline, it's going to
take the prompt obedience toorder and make appropriate
action.
Oh yeah, I had a play out.

Speaker 5 (49:08):
No, I mean he talked about it, he told me this is
what I'm going to do.
This is what I'm going to do ifyou die tomorrow, and this is
how we're going to do it.
I'm okay.
I'm going to make sure this ispaid for.
I'm going to do this, do this.
You know, and his mom was linedout playing in your family it's
somebody has to die, somebodyhas to have the responsibility.

(49:29):
You know, right?
Yes, it's real.
It's just like what you saidit's disciplined.
I think a lot of people in thisworld live in this little
bubble, but none of this reallyhappens, right?
Yeah, there's next to me if youdie tomorrow is your family
gonna be okay.
You don't know that for a fact,do you?
Yeah, okay, you know, that'swhat he learned today.
You know, know.
So you know, we all.
I mean, I think about that.
Yeah, you do think about it,right, but you know, when you

(49:49):
get 45 years old, like me, youstart really thinking about it
because it could happen.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
Because people, you know people start dropping
around you that are not mucholder than you, grandma dies,
grandpa dies.

Speaker 5 (50:00):
You know, uncle dies.
And you, you know uncle dies,and you're sort of oh gosh, I'm
coming, I'm next.
You know what?

Speaker 2 (50:04):
I'm saying, and we all prepare for our children to
bury us.
Yes, and sometimes,unfortunately.
You know, as what we'respeaking here.
I've got a nephew, joshuaCarter, wonderful soldier.
We lost him in all nine.
We lost him in 09.

(50:25):
You know, and I have an oldersister that's guys to this day
she's.
I pray for her every daybecause I know what she's going
through and what she'sstruggling.
You know, I can imagine.
I don't ever want to imagine.
I don't want to go through thatever.
I want my children to bury mebecause she's not the person she

(50:46):
ever was before.

Speaker 5 (50:47):
I can't imagine it.
No sir, I can't imagine it.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
But that's the sacrifices that we make as
Americans for our country and,you know, I wish more people
would take heed and understandand be more respectful.

Speaker 5 (51:04):
I wish people would too.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
It's just so hard to put into perspective.
I mean, even with you tellingit to me, you know, with all the
facts around it, it's so hardfor me to wrap my brain around.
I just could never understand.
You know what it's like to dealwith that and I know people
there's millions of people whonever even begin to try to

(51:27):
comprehend it.
So I just it just blows me awaywith what you guys have to deal
with.

Speaker 5 (51:33):
Absolutely 100%.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
I want to say thank you for your service.
Absolutely, it's what you do,it's what you do.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
You know, it's what you do.

Speaker 5 (51:42):
I know one thing you got a badass boat builder, yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
I want to drive one of these Frank boys.
I want to make sure you guysare good boat builders.

Speaker 5 (51:49):
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah Well, at least you knowyour boat's built with pride and
morals and what he said earlier.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
He doesn't like to be .
You know what he did in themilitary, he never.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
That's right, you're not going to break down like
that.
No man left behind.
Reach your trial.

Speaker 5 (52:06):
You guys saw a lot of those up there.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
We're trying.
Them guys are doing good Nickand Caleb man them kids.
I'm proud of them.
You know we sit down when thisall started.
I mean Jake they saw a lot.
Oh yeah, yeah.
And I've sent two that way thispast week and said, hey, go to
Truman, get them boys and I knowa lot of people so it's a good

(52:34):
thing.

Speaker 5 (52:34):
I had a customer a couple weeks ago that was like
hey, I want you and Bates to setmy boat up.
I said, well, who'd you buyyour boat from?
He said, well, you.
I said, well, shit man, theybeat us all year.
Yeah, I don't know why you're?

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Why do you think we're better than them?
What do you want from us?
I mean, they beat us.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
There's nothing else to say.
You guys come back though.

Speaker 5 (52:53):
Oh well, we did at the end, Y'all had a rendition
there, we did at the end.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
I tell them all the time hey, listen, they know,
they know.
If you have questions, theyknow.
Yeah, if you're anywhere close,dude, I'm telling you, they're
going to get you right.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
I'm looking at them too.
Like that guy lost his motorearly in the year.
You know Y'all just bought anew motor, didn't ask them
questions for him, took care ofhim.
I mean pretty sure it probablywas his fault bolts and all that
kind of stuff.

Speaker 5 (53:20):
No, but that's not a lot of those motors you mounted
there.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Most of them are.
You know, with a given.
I'll tell you this much I'mbuilding Mercury motors.
I've done it for a good bit andwith them even also, you have
to be a little bit.
You know savvy about what yougot going on there.
They rattle like a HarleyDavidson, especially a belt

(53:48):
motor.
They pop and rattle and fartand all kinds of good stuff.
You're going to rattle stuffout.
Stuff's going to come out likeyour lower unit, your lower unit
.
Bolts will come out of them.
They will Seen it, you know.
So, that being said, it's likemy motor right now.
I run my motor, but I do.

(54:09):
I have it on a VJST and love it.
That thing is awesome.
It runs good.
How'd?

Speaker 5 (54:14):
the boat hold up this year.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Don't look at it.
It ain't got a dent in it and Ihunt.

Speaker 5 (54:21):
We definitely overbuilt those boats.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
We did.
That was not supposed to belike that.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
Everybody's running.
You know what's crazy.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Never mind, my boat is not bolted on.
But you know what I do aboutevery three or four hunts.

Speaker 5 (54:34):
You check your bolts.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
I walk my tail back there and I grab it and I check
my boat.

Speaker 5 (54:38):
It's easier to blame somebody else.
Sure, it is.
That's where I get online andpeople are like my boat won't do
this, my boat won't do that,blah, blah, blah blah.
So let me guess it's the boat'sfault.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
It's got to be the boat.
How much do you weigh?
He's like 385.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 5 (54:55):
We built so many of these boats, we never thrown one
in the dumpster because of theway it ran.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Mathematically it's not the boat and your buddy's
running 55.
And what does he weigh?

Speaker 5 (55:06):
oh, he's 110 pounds yeah, okay, yeah, and they say
we'll get you that same speed,but you're gonna need a little
more motor they'll be like.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
Well, I did cut out half the rear deck to fit in my
my 35 gallon gas tank, and I'mlike, what about?

Speaker 5 (55:21):
what about the 15 speaker holes?

Speaker 1 (55:23):
that's always in there yeah it is.
I'm like good Lord, guys,You're cutting out your
bulkheads, or there'll be acrack in something and they'll
roll up like a lawnmower trailer, so they use their boat trailer
.

Speaker 5 (55:36):
I'm like dude, what do you think keeps your ribs
down?
Your bulkheads, your verticalbulkheads?
Let's cut them out for speakerholes.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
There's a guy at the boat room that walked with me
when I was in the big truck andhe was like, man, my boat's not
running right and I'm like, well, let me drop it, let me just
see, and I get in it.
It wasn't running around.
I'm like put it on the trailerreal quick.
Here's an aluminum 13-pitchprop on a ported Merc.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
He's like I got a black stainless on it and I'm
like no, you're not pulling onthe trailer.
He pulls it out and I'm likefirst of all, this is an
aluminum black prop.
This is not a black, stainlessprop.
There's this customer?
There's this customer.

Speaker 5 (56:11):
He got mad at me.
He called me up, cussed me.
I'm snoring, whatever.
I paid all this money for thishobby.
Blah, blah, blah it is.
So I tell you what I'll meetyou at the Bass Pro Shop in
Little Rock.
So I go up there and meet himat Bass Pro Shop.
I'll drive up there.
I'm worried, sick, right, hehad his BA-130, a Breakaway 130.

(56:34):
Remember those?
Oh man, he had them backwards,oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Yeah, I've seen it.

Speaker 5 (56:41):
Oh man Back.
Oh man, you know, I'm like,come on, man, he had me stressed
out.
I'm like, come on, man, and nowI'm supposed to say that you're
okay, this is totally my fault.
Blah, blah, blah.
And I did.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
I took his boat back, fixed everything put some ba
130, all right, come on, man youcan't even say hey, come on man
you can't even tell him it waswrong, because if it is, he'll
bash you because you said he was.

Speaker 5 (57:12):
You're mean to him Uneducated in me.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
You're a meanie.

Speaker 5 (57:18):
You don't care, I deal with that all the time.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
I still can be like dude, pull out an aluminum prop
and say it was a black stainless.
Some people don't know.
Man, I still can't believe theypulled out an aluminum prop and
said it was black stainless.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
It's because it was black.
Some people don't know.
Man, I can stop laughing.

Speaker 5 (57:30):
I try to educate, just like what you're trying to
do.
Educate about you know, aboutwar, about what your experience
is.
We try to educate, but how doyou educate without getting
judged?

Speaker 2 (57:40):
You know how do you do it.
I maybe start making some.
To what extent do you stop,though, when you start making
videos and tutorials?
I don't know.
Yeah, We've thought about that.

Speaker 5 (57:51):
I do think we need to do a better job making videos.
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Maybe like start walking, like some how-to, like
simple.

Speaker 5 (58:00):
What we think is basic.
I feel like we need to tellpeople now you, Obviously,
that's it.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
But I mean, look around you, yeah, cat's out of
the bag.
What's up my how-to's fixing tobe coming out now?

Speaker 5 (58:10):
Yeah, now we're going to start explaining to
everybody why we did this, sinceyou did it too.
You should know, too, you know,since you copied us.
But anyways, you know, frank,it was a pleasure having you
here man, Absolutely you guystoo.
It was great Driving down herewas worth it.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Oh, it's always worth it.
You know, you guys call me needanything.
You got my number yeah.

Speaker 5 (58:32):
I'm going to be here.
It was pretty cool having youon talking about this.
You know war and what you'vegone through.
I know we didn't covereverything.
Oh it's.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
You could talk my cup filleth over, yeah.

Speaker 5 (58:44):
That's good.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
Well, man, thank you for your service, thank you guys
, and to everybody, you knowthat didn't make it out, you
know it's just an honor to even,you know, just relive that
section of life there and I meanreally we all need to be
grateful.
I think it's a story of themoral of the story.
Yeah, I mean Dallas and Jacobwas here a couple weeks ago and

(59:04):
it's just like more and morethings come up and it's like
what are our problems?

Speaker 3 (59:10):
And it's like what problems.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
Do we that really matter?

Speaker 5 (59:13):
And what does off-the-clock a beach guy have
to do with boats, you know?
I don't know, you know, if wecould do something better for us
, I think we should do it.
I think the boats is justsomething we do.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
That's just us and only Kate.
That's right.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
I mean, maybe this video helps one person, you know
, maybe the Jacob and you knowDallas story helps one person,
and it's like keep chipping away.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
It sure did me.
It did, it helped me.
Oh, it definitely helped me.

Speaker 5 (59:39):
I can understand you.
I don't understand, I stilldon't understand, how two people
were so humble.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Yeah.
I still don't understand howtwo people were so humble yeah
heart determination it's hard.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
Same thing there.
They got a brotherhood thatcan't be broken.
Yeah sure they got each other'sbacks without a doubt Every
time they go out.

Speaker 5 (59:58):
100% trust in each other.

Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
It's no way 100% trust and they're confident
together.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
I mean they're a unit , yes, and they're there
together.
I mean they're a unit, yes, andthey're there.
They get the job done.

Speaker 5 (01:00:09):
There's just no way a human, possibly somebody, could
be that humble.
It was definitely a gift, itwas.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
They could be doing another thing, sitting at home,
feeling sorry for themselves andmost people would say they have
every right to they're justeducating.

Speaker 5 (01:00:23):
Right, they're educating and teaching.
They're showing selfish peoplelike myself.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
And myself also.

Speaker 5 (01:00:30):
They're just showing people that there's something to
be proud of, Just like you comehome from war.
You're educating, you'reshowing people, you're sharing
your experiences.
And you're being an example, Imean Jake's already been in a
war, but I guarantee you he'sgoing to think about example, I
mean Jake's.
There been a war, but Iguarantee you don't think about
it.
You know I mean it needs to betalked about, it's a humble,

(01:00:51):
experiencing, and that's whatyou're doing, you're teaching
and and um you know, I'm I'mproud to be part of that, you
know we can we can about boatsand floating in the nose all day
long, but really that stuffgets boring right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Who cares?
I mean, that's cool for aminute, but I mean, who cares?

Speaker 5 (01:01:11):
Really I agree 100%.
I mean, I like boats.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
It's what drives us, though You've got to have
something there to be able to doand concentrate on Well we've
got to have something to win at.

Speaker 5 (01:01:21):
You know For sure we like to win.
Right, that's right.
Try to try to.
Yeah, we can't make peoplebetter if we don't make them
lose.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
I see some W's coming this year.
That's right.

Speaker 5 (01:01:31):
That's right, we have to make people lose in order to
for people to be gratefulabsolutely every time they get
beat by Frank, they gotta begrateful, I'm telling you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
I gotta get better.
I'll tell you Frank, I'mtelling you man, frank, quick
Nick over there.
There was a series there whereI was just thinking like they're
unbeatable you guys want toknow why Quick Nick's name is
Quick Nick.

Speaker 5 (01:01:53):
We'll get his wife on the podcast next.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Oh yeah.
Well, let's just say it didn'tcome from racing.
It came from a different kindof race where duration was
actually needed.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Winner.

Speaker 5 (01:02:04):
winner I basically got to show some hats off and
stuff yeah also.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
We got new stuff at the gear shop.
We'll see if we got it downhere.
Sweet oh, and I'll pass some ofit to you.
Frank, you can take all of it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
Take every bit of it.
You think Frank's going to weara flat belt.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
I can give it away, though.
I'll kind of flip this one overa little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Yeah, I will, for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:02:25):
So we got hats oh.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
I like that hat yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Go.

Speaker 5 (01:02:28):
Ropes yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Hey, that's kind of cool.
I like that design.
It is kind of cool, it's cool,I do.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
I don't know if you can see that right there in the
camera.
Look at that, that shirt On thefront.
Pretty cool, pretty cool.
So when's?

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
an old school one coming back out.
Which one are you talking?

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
about.
It'll be here soon, here soon.
Old school camo.
We got the American flag withducks right here.
I don't know if we can paintthat old school camo.

Speaker 5 (01:02:53):
Yeah, we can, anything's possible.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
I know we can paint it, we can do whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Yeah, we always got new for days over this, it's
endless.

Speaker 5 (01:03:06):
Part two yeah, I agree Well.
I mean who can't talk aboutfreedom and the flag and what
people do America.
I mean, that's the best thingin the world to talk about.
You can see it on our podcast,you know we're all about that

(01:03:29):
stuff drill, drill, baby drill.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
All right, build that wall, baby, build that wall.
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