March 3, 2025 • 49 mins
Chief Billy Hrvatin shares his inspiring journey from a police officer to the Chief of Police in Hot Springs. We explore the evolving relationship between law enforcement and technology, the challenges in recruiting new officers, and the critical role community support plays in effective policing.
• Chief Harvington's early inspiration and journey into law enforcement
• The impact of technology on police operations today
• Challenges faced in recruiting new officers for the police force
• Importance of community support in law enforcement
• Discussing the current trends in crime rates and policing
• The evolving landscape of drug-related crime and its impact
• Insights on balancing personal interests with professional responsibilities
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, it's 5 o'clock and off the clock with B Scott,
today we got Billy Harvingtonwith us.
Today.
He's the Hot Springs Chief ofPolice.
Now he's going to tell us abouthis career, how he got into
that.
We might talk a little bit offishing, but, guys, there's a
lot of technology that's new inthe police force.
We're going to talk a littlebit about that.
It's kind of crazy really.
So before we get into it, makesure you leave a like, subscribe
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Let's get in.
So, billy, thanks for makingthe trip down here today.
I'm sure you're busy, as always.
I'm definitely happy you got tocome and kind of tell us a
little bit about yourself andhow you got to be the chief of
Hot Springs.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah, it's kind of a long story.
That's been a.
That's quite the journey.
So I started in law enforcementin 1997.
My dad was a police officerwith Hot Springs for 27 years.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
So when you were a kid, was it you know?
You looked up to your dad andyou thought maybe that's
something you wanted to go to.
Same kind of route.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
So I originally thought I wanted to be a game
warden.
And what made you want to be agame warden?
Just like the outdoors, youknow, like everyone else hunting
and fishing.
And game ward, just like theoutdoors, like everyone else
hunting and fishing.
And so I was kind of drawn tothat and I thought, you know
it'd be, it'd be a cool job,still be in law enforcement, but
different, kind of a differenttwist to, you know, be out there
and outside and in nature andstuff, um.
But then I found out what theymade at the time and what the
(01:18):
requirements were, that whenyou'd have a four-year degree
and it was like one of thelowest paying really law
enforcement jobs, I was like,yeah, maybe that's not.
I wonder why it ain't like that, no more, no, no, it's better
now, but back then it was so itwasn't so great.
And then of course I, you know,at that time, coming out of
high school and stuff, you hadto be, I needed to be 21 years
of age before I could be a lawenforcement officer.
It's still that way now.
(01:40):
I kind of decided to take otherroutes and really didn't know
what I wanted to do for a whileand unfortunately, in 1996, we
had an officer killed in theline of duty.
His name was Chris Anderson andI knew Chris and I knew him
through my dad and that kind ofthing, and I was working another
job at the time and I guess youcould say I was trying to find
(02:02):
my way in life.
Yeah, you know so.
And but the day of his funeralI was, I was out working on my
job and the funeral processionwent down Central Avenue right
in front of me and that's when Idecided I was going to be a
police officer, that's kind of.
it's kind of weird, maybe youknow, or you know people think,
well, just click for you, man aguy just got killed in the line
(02:24):
of duty and now you want to be acop.
But you know it was.
You know.
That was just a moment that Iknew that that's what I was
going to do.
Yeah, you're doing it for adifferent reason yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
You know.
So that's good.
And you've seen, you've seenall of it around like the you
know, yeah, and a guy you knowgave the ultimate sacrifice,
yeah, and something you knowpeople want to be a part of.
It's kind of like thebrotherhood you know.
We had Frank Weston here maybea week or two ago.
Yeah.
And that's one thing he pushedwas, like you know, the
brotherhood, the team, theatmosphere of that.
I mean I'm sure you know youdepend on your people and you
(03:00):
get drawn to that and, you know,hooked on that.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah, it's very much that way in law enforcement too.
You know, I mean, you're alwaysworking within a team, within a
unit, and I was kind of thatway growing up.
You know I played team sportsand you know I was into that
kind of thing and so I was kindof naturally drawn to, you know,
a team environment.
So yeah, I mean that's anotheraspect of the job.
A lot of guys that areteam-driven do well in law
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enforcement and military, ofcourse too.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah.
So as a police chief, I mean,what is your responsibilities at
a police station?
I mean, I guess you're the boss, man, huh, I'm the boss.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
That's good.
I answer to the city manager.
We have city managers form agovernment and then our city
manager answers to our board ofdirectors, our city director.
So I answer directly to him.
I have a really good citymanager.
He's very, very supportive ofthe police department and
supportive of me and just a goodall-around guy, honestly.
But my job is the whole thing.
(04:03):
Yeah, you know, I've got 159employees within our
organization, I've got 115 swornofficers and, of course, we
have civilian staff, we havedispatchers, we have animal
control under us and so there'sa lot of responsibility.
Right, we've got a fleet of 150cars.
Wow.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Yeah, I didn't realize Hot Springs was that big
.
I mean, I know it's a big city,but that's a lot of cop cars.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, well, all of our officers have take-home
units, you know, which is a perkfor them, but that's a big
fleet to take care of, so I gotpeople that have to do that
Absolutely so when your phonerings, more likely they're
needing a, they got a problem,usually yeah, yeah and as you,
as you guys know, there's a lotof problems day in and day out.
I know it's like my phone rings.
Oh boy, here we go.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
You never know what it's going to be either.
It's always like that you neverknow.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
It could be anything from.
You know the air conditioner isout at the police department
and we need to have somebodycome up there and work on that,
or it could be we have a majorincident, yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Anything in between and do you know where your
officers Not that much.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yeah, I mean, that's not the life of a police chief,
really, right?
You know any kind of sizablecity, right?
So you need more admin stuff.
There's a lot of admin stuff.
I spend a lot of time sittingbehind a computer and of course,
that's not been my career allalong.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, you don't just start oneday and the next chief I mean
I've had an evolution of acareer Did you have to apply for
(05:24):
that job.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I did, okay.
Well, I got you, I got you.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
How many years were you in before you applied?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
to be the police chief.
I was appointed chief.
It's been almost two full yearsnow, and so I had about 25 and
a half years, almost 26 years,because I'm going to hit 28
years in September of this year.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
So I mean, is it hard to find new recruits?
Yeah, Is it so?
I mean, have you seen a declineof people wanting to be police
officers?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
For, sure, really.
And why do you think that?
Is For sure, Like what?
Do you think the reasoningbehind that is?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I really don't feel like.
You know, our society thesedays has the same type of
patriotism, the same type ofcommitment to serve their
community, their country, likewe.
You know, we've seen in, youknow years past.
That you saw 20, 30 years ago,when were you born?
I was born in 1973.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
So yeah, I mean yeah, 73, 75, the 80s, you know those
guys, those rocks, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
But you had to have law enforcement.
It's like at what point do youthink that it?
You know it's hard to say, butlike, surely you can't get to
where, like nobody wants to doit, well, they want robots man.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
It's much more difficult than it is now, than
what it was when I started,because there's more people.
Well, it's much more.
There's so much more for anofficer to keep up with and for
an officer to know and have todo and rules, regulations.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
I mean there's a lot of technology.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, I mean, when I started there wasn't, you know,
we got a notepad and a pen and abadge and a gun and no
computers.
And you learned no GPS Right.
You learned law, you know.
You went to the academy likeeveryone else does.
You learn state statutes, youlearn how to apply the law.
You do a little field trainingwith you know some other guys
you know, but there's so muchmore to it these days.
(07:18):
You know, yeah, Computers andcars and dash cams and body cams
and tasers, and you know, thelist goes on and on.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
And that turns people you know away from maybe
pursuing being in lawenforcement because there's
maybe the liability that goeswith it.
You know they don't want to get, you know, put herself at risk,
not just physically, like asfar as harm goes.
But, like you know, I don'twant to get in trouble with this
.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
You know I don't want , you know, to be somebody
filming me, you know, and put inthese positions.
You know, yeah, and I mean youknow, you see, as a young guy
these days, if you're 21, 22, 23years old, and you see things
that are going on on the newsand you see where police
officers are being prosecutedfor certain things, and you know
that has to cause apprehensionin them and I can understand
that.
You know, when I took the testto be a police officer, I sat in
a room with probably 110 or 20other people and took that test,
(08:08):
and that was in 1996, of course.
And now we're lucky if we canget 30.
Really, yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
And the people that's coming to be a police officer.
Why are they doing it, do youknow?
I mean, why aren't they doingit?
Are they doing it because theycan't find a job?
Or they're doing it becausethey want to be a police officer
?
I mean, have you seen a changeof of?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Well, no, I think guys have guys that get into
this, guys and gals, both youknow they have an honest reason
for wanting.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
There used to be a whole lot more people, yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
You know, and I mean you know, I'll admit like when I
went into law enforcement I wasthe adrenaline junkie kind of
guy.
Yeah, you know, and I wanted to.
You know I wanted to chase badguys and you know, drive cars
and turn lights and sirens onand you know, do the stuff that
you think is cool, that you see,I mean it is cool.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I mean, I was in high school and I guess I had a
program down there Get kids outof high school for being police
officers, yeah.
So I actually went into thatprogram that's cool and I got to
ride around and learn all thatstuff and I was going to be a
police officer too.
I was going to be either thator going to military, but I
ended up building boats.
But yeah, I was, I was.
I always wanted to be a cop too.
(09:27):
I always wanted to be a cop.
For the same reason, I thoughtit was cool.
Now they're scaring me because,oh my God, here we go, a
Mississippi ticket.
Jesus, I don't know what youcan do, but 167 has changed 75
miles an hour 167's bad.
If we can get that done, I don'tknow.
Pull some strings.
I've got no clout for that.
I'm telling you it's terrible.
It's terrible Like that has tobe a money pit of.
(09:49):
I don't know how much moneythey make off of that highway,
but it's a lot.
I mean, if you're speedingyou're going to get a ticket.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Absolutely which I mean.
He's looking at him like whatdid you just beat?
Speaker 3 (10:02):
me that's a tough one , I don't know, but you know 60
feels slow on this highway.
I mean, come on, man, you knowevery car, you know what I'm
saying.
You know every car you buynowadays.
They go fast, they're easy todrive.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
They can not burn a lot of gas I get pulled over by
this cop.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I'm like dude, come on, give me a break here.
You know I'm like I get so mad,but I understand what you guys
are doing.
If you don't have rules,everybody will speed.
But it was 530 in the morningwith nobody in that state of
Arkansas up besides me, he'sspeaking of one incident, so you
can tell.
I mean he's gets very detailedhere.
It really gets under my skin.
But yeah, cops are a good thing.
(10:47):
You know I just want to be acop and you know I think you
guys are cool.
No-transcript, there's alwaysbad and good.
You know some I mean how?
I mean you guys are pullingpeople over y'all doing.
You know you're out thereworking the streets.
I mean, is the attitudes gottenbetter towards cops?
Cause you know, three or fouryears ago it was terrible.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Well, I think we're lucky in, you know, probably in
Arkansas, but in our communityin particular.
We've always had good supportfrom our community.
Yeah, now do you have thosepeople that are going to be
those problem folks when youpull them over?
Absolutely, those folks.
They're all over the place,they live everywhere.
But we also have a lot ofsupport in our community, you
know.
I mean you guys know, growingup in Arkansas, I mean I would
think that we're a little bitmore patriotic than people in
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other states and othercommunities.
You know, and I think peopleappreciate the job In general.
I think people here appreciatethe job that you know people do
as a police officer.
So we've always had a lot ofsupport.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
You got to do a lot of community events to you know,
get people to you know we do.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah, and we're very community oriented in our
department.
Yeah, do a lot of thingsthroughout the year.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I've never been pulled over by a hot springs cop
by the way, that a lot ofthings throughout the year.
I've never been pulled over bya hot springs cop, by the way.
That's good.
No, I haven't either actually.
Yeah, that's a good thing forus, huh, yeah, so, other than
law enforcement, I mean, youknow, obviously, you know we
talked a little bit before wegot on about, you know, shooting
, fishing, you do some otherthings, you know.
But I know your time has got tobe limited.
You, you know, being the chief,you're the guy everybody you
(12:22):
know looks to for answers so I'msure your phone's ringing off
the hook, so where?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
do you find the time?
Well, I don't have a lot oftime, yeah, but when I do, yeah,
I like to, I like to hunt fishand you know, I do a little
little shooting on the side, alittle recreational shooting,
sometimes a little competitionshooting, things like that and
is this like all like firearmsand uh not firearms?
Speaker 1 (12:40):
it's like uh like pistols and stuff.
Or is it like competitionshooting like that?
Or is it long range?
What kind of competitionshooting you're?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
talking yeah, mostly pistol.
I've done you know a littleuspsa shooting.
I've done.
You know a few idpa matches, um, steel challenge things like
that, do some rimfire matches.
We got a local range there andkind of a shooting club not far
from Hot Springs.
It's pretty big into you knowall that kind of stuff.
So I go out there and I shootwith those guys.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
And you have requirements for your police
officers to shoot and do thatkind of stuff.
Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, everybody has to pass a qualification.
You know course for theirhandgun and a patrol rifle AR-15
.
You know course for theirhandgun and a patrol rifle ar-15
.
You know they have to pass aminimum qualification course for
all that stuff and and uh, youknow we do that a couple times a
year I mean, how often is it?
Speaker 1 (13:26):
people will have a hard time getting through the
shooting part of it um, reallynot.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Not very often at all .
You know, sometimes when wehire some new guys, they haven't
been around guns that much orsomething and you know they
might.
They might have a littledifficulty, but we don't have
much of a problem with that.
You know, I think we do apretty good job probably better
than some of teaching our folkson the front end.
When we bring them in we havesome good trainers and spend a
lot of time with them.
We get them, you know,developing good habits instead
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of bad habits.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah, you know we had a.
We actually had a shooting herenot too long ago.
Yeah, you know it was terrible.
I think it took way too long,you know, to get the bad guy,
but it seemed like they didn'thave very good shooting skills.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
I mean that or, and another thing too, was like the
time that he did it was likemiddle of the day on a Friday.
You know most men that mightwould have arms, you know with
them, you know they're all atwork and he did it at like a
supermarket on a Friday.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
But I also think it's a small town, and I just don't
think the small town justrealized something like that
would ever happen.
I just think they were sounprepared, or something like
that.
It was crazy, it was insane.
You know, do you guys train forthat?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
We do.
We do active shooter trainingevery year.
That's part of our refreshertraining with all of our guys
annually.
When we bring in new officersthey get active shooter training
and then they'll get it againwhen they go to the academy and
then they're going to get anannual refresher with us every
year.
We also do scenario-basedtraining.
So when we do scenario-basedtraining we have people as role
players and we set up scenariosfor guys to, you know, have to
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work through, if you will, andthey're carrying semi-munition
pistols you know it's kind ofsimilar to a paintball gun and
of course we wear eye pro andstuff, you know, so guys don't
get their eyes damaged.
But and then we, you know,create the scenarios and then
officers have to work throughthose scenarios and some of them
are shoot scenarios, some ofthem are don't shoot scenarios.
Decision-making kind of stuffputs you under a lot of stress,
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you know.
It's kind of like to your pointwhere you said seemed like it
took them a long time and thenwhen they got there maybe they
didn't shoot so well, you know,you might assume that those
guys'm saying I don't think theydid.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
I mean, I don't even know if they had AR-15s or not
or whatnot, but I think they did.
It just was just a lot ofshooting.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
It was mass chaos too , because you know the public
was there.
It had a grocery store,Everybody was running around,
Some people were trying to pullout, Some people were, you know,
just this was mass scramble Meand Brandon was actually fishing
and I heard about the shooting.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
So I called a buddy of mine and his wife got shot.
And then I knew my wife wassomewhere around there and we
had our little grandson with herand I was thinking, oh my God,
and I couldn't get a hold of mywife.
I was freaking out and we ranthat 300-hour about as hard as
we could to get back to the boatramp.
We load her up and we hauledher up.
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She finally called me.
Thank God, boy, you're talkingabout being scared, being scared
.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
And I imagine being even local law enforcement and
that situation going down.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
I think everybody was scared.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
You have to be For them.
They're going in.
You know they're risking theirlives to go and try to confront
this guy and say you don't haveall the training or you don't
have, you know, never been putin that situation.
I mean that's prettyfrightening, I imagine yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
And I, you know that dude just walked around shooting
people in the glass man.
You know, I told my wife we'regetting our windows tinted dark
as they could get and I'm like,screw it, we'll get a ticket,
we'll get a ticket.
But you know that's what he did.
I mean, if he'd seen somebody,he went after them.
You know.
(17:13):
You know, it's just terrible.
It's terrible to be like that.
I can't imagine, you know, theofficers here.
They were probably scared.
They probably didn't know seennothing like that.
You know, the sheriff came inand took care of the problem,
but he was an older guy.
You know, he's been in lawenforcement for a long time and
he just got in there and got itdone.
You could tell the differencein training and experience, you
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know.
So I mean, you guys trainreally hard for that kind of
stuff.
I mean, is this something thatyou just do once a year Because
it seems like it just needs?
You know, all of our lawenforcement needs to be trained
for that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Yeah, we train all of our folks for that kind of
stuff and we train multipletimes a year and we train with,
you know, with our pistols, withour rifles, you know we try to
give them the put the best toolsin their toolbox that we can.
That's good, that's good,that's good.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Do y'all have any kind of like special unit,
anything you'd call in for, likemaybe a situation like that?
We have a SWAT team, swat team,yeah, a city.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
SWAT team yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
See, that's something we don't you know.
We're just don't know that onwhat they have in their car with
them.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Really, in a situation like that, you're not
going to get a SWAT teamresponse.
I mean, you will get a SWATteam response eventually, but
that's not really who's going torespond to those kind of
situations.
Yeah, it's going to be the citycops, it's going to be the guy
that's working that area.
Right then, whoever gets thatcall on the radio, that's going
to be your first respondingofficer.
You know I and you knowballistic shields and other
equipment.
(18:47):
Of course you know mosteverybody carries, you know,
AR-15s in their cars these daysand you know that was really
kind of born from the LA bankrobbery back in the day, the
shootout that lasted 47 minutes.
You know, and that's crazy ifyou don't know the history of it
or you haven't watched it, butthat's kind of what born the
whole ar-15 in the hands ofpolice officers.
You know before that you reallyjust had tactical units and
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people like that.
They were on SWAT teams, theywere, they were carrying rifles
every day.
But you know they realized theywere outgunned in that deal.
So, um, that kind of changedthat, that trend.
You know and would say you knowmost bigger departments these
days guys are going to havethose kinds of tools at their
disposal.
Yeah, so if you're going into asituation like that, you want
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to take an AR-15.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Yeah, you want to take something you can reach out
to a little bit, you know yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Well, plus that gives you two weapon platforms, so
you know if that thing jams orbreaks or you never know what's
going to happen, then you canimmediately transition to a
handgun.
You still got a working gun.
You can still handle and dosome work.
You ever been in a shootout oranything like that?
I haven't personally Beenpretty close a couple times
Pretty close.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Yeah, yeah, Well that's something I'm like.
The crime that takes place now.
Is it more violent, BecauseI've heard some people talk
about it being more violent?
Now the crime, like per crime,seems to be typically more
violent than it used to be.
You know what's your take onthat.
Is it getting crazier, Is it?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
getting.
I think crimes is like anythingelse.
You see trends in it.
You know you see ups and downsand you know we saw some years
where I think crime was up andyou know we saw some years where
I think crime was up and youknow I think we're on the
downside of that now.
I know in Hot Springs we'veseen our crime stats going down
the last few years.
Our violent crime stats aredown, our property crime stats
are down pretty much just acrossthe board.
(20:32):
What do you think drives that?
Do you think the economy drivesthat?
I think it's a lot of differentthings.
I think the economy can play arole in it.
I think public sentiment canplay a role.
You know it's.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
And public sentiment.
What do you mean by that?
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Well, I mean just, you know the things that are
exposed in the media or broughtout in the media that drive
people's.
You know mentality towardspolice and things like that.
You know.
I think we went through a spellthere and where he saw a lot of
defiance towards the police,you know, and we saw that was
driven by politics.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Yeah, exactly yeah a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yes yeah, and we don't always do best by
ourselves in law enforcement.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
We can do some things that give us a black eye as
well, you know but so you'resure you, you make mistakes, and
everybody nowadays with theinternet is like that's another
thing they're looking for areason to do it.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Social media probably drives a ton of it, you know
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
A lot of it.
So I think you know, with crime, just like you see ups and
downs in the economy, you seeups and downs in crime trends,
yeah, and I think we're seeingdowns now, you know.
And jobs.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
I mean, if people got jobs, they're working instead
of stealing right?
Yeah, I mean it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
The drug market, of course you know drives a lot of
it.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Do you deal with a lot of that in high springs in
general?
Is it?
Is there a lot of you knowcrime that's drug related versus
you know, say?
Speaker 3 (21:55):
What's the worst, I mean, what's the highest crime?
I think that's what you'retrying to ask, right?
Is it theft?
Is it drugs?
What is it as?
Speaker 2 (22:02):
far as the highest incident.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Typically, what are you going to see in hot springs?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
more of when you're going to see.
I think in any area in thecountry you know your property
crimes are going to be yourhighest incident of crime.
Okay.
Like stealing stuff and drugsand drug-related.
But most crime in some way hassome nexus towards drugs.
I mean, a lot are you knowpeople are stealing to support a
drug habit?
People are, you know, shootingother people because you know
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they're robbing them becausethey have drugs or they have
money.
You know, or you know bothRight?
You see that a lot.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Right.
So it's crazy Is the drugsgetting better?
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I would say no.
Really, I wonder, you know,it's like one of the things like
, as soon as you get somethingout, imagine something moves
right back in.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Well, you have to understand, the drug market is
always going to be driven by thecartels, yeah, and they're
going to find a way, though Ithink that, yeah, the border
crisis is not helping.
That's not helping the federalgovernment there's no way that
could be helping.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
No, there's no way that could be helping them.
Democrats are into somethingelse, but anyways.
I mean absolutely the shit theycome up with blows my mind.
But anyways, let's not getstarted on Democrats.
But that has to help, right?
I mean people coming into thecountry.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
You know those guys are looking for there's going to
be less opportunity to bringdrugs into it.
Right, that only makes sense.
That's just logic.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Less risk.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Right, you know, if we lessen the number of people
that are coming into the countryillegally, we're going to
lessen the incident of at leastthe availability for them to
bring drugs in Makes sense, youknow.
Going back to the cartel thing,though, I mean you can look at
the evolution of the drug marketin America and you know when I
started in law enforcement itwas all about cocaine, crack
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cocaine.
That was when you were seeing alot of the gang wars and things
you know like between Bloodsand Crips, and that was when the
crack cocaine market just blewup and then that kind of changed
over the years.
You know, back thenmethamphetamine was something
that guys cooked in their ownkitchen.
Right, you know, for the mostpart you can look at further
history of it.
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You know that was something thebiker gangs were involved in,
that some too, and butmethamphetamine back then was
something that most peoplecooked in their, in their
kitchen.
We broke down a lot of methlabs back in the day, like we
were, and that's a nastyenvironment to be in a lot of
chemicals, a lot of nasty stuff,a lot of nasty stuff.
That's crazy A lot of peoplecooking methamphetamine in
Garland County.
But that changed with thechange in the state laws, you
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know.
So they made it much moredifficult to get your hands on
the Sudafed or the Sudafed andSudafedrin Yep, and they put a
lot of other stipulations onthat so you couldn't just walk
in the you know the market andbuy, you know, boxes and boxes
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of pseudofed, which is theprimary ingredient in it.
So um, with that, then thecartel saw an opening, you know.
So they start producing a lotof a lot of methamphetamine and
they start bringing it acrossthe border.
And of course now we've seenkind of a a down, that's kind of
falling down a little bit, andwe're seeing more fentanyl
coming into.
And then, that's true, I meanyou hear about it on the news
and stuff.
But yeah, I mean we see, we seefentanyl in hot springs, yeah,
and uh, we've seized, you know,quite a bit of it and I think
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we'll probably seize more in thefuture.
And then the reason being isbecause it's a very cheap drug
to make and they can make a lotof money off of it.
Right, and the cartels arealways about making money.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Yeah, so didn't Trump make it where those guys are?
Didn't he just pass a sign ofdeal about the drug I?
Speaker 2 (25:36):
think they're having a lot of trouble coming down
from Canada as well.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Oh no, kidding, yeah.
So maybe, I mean, maybe allthis will help.
You know the new president.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
I definitely feel like, as far as crime goes, I
feel like a lot of people are ina better state of mind.
You know there's moreopportunity.
I know it hasn't been long, butit feels like there's more
opportunity.
Yeah, you know, I don'tnecessarily know like any
numbers behind that, but I feellike you know like not taxing
overtime, not taxing, you know,social Security and stuff.
I mean it's like we're makinggood moves in the right
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direction to get people workingand busy.
I bet you it's going to helpcrime.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Get the country busy.
I bet you it's going to helpcrime go down.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
You know Well, if nothing else, I mean positive
attitudes.
If people have positiveattitudes, they're going to have
a more positive outlook on lifeand you know, they're probably
going to, in turn, probably makebetter decisions.
's what you know.
If that comes about through theTrump presidency, then, hey,
that's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
I mean, I've already seen the attitudes change.
I mean, the day he was elected,you know, I talked to some
dealers that night.
The sigh of relief they werelike, oh my God, it's going to
be so good, you know, justfeeling that you can wake up and
not have to worry about yoursafety.
I mean you always worry aboutyour safety.
I mean you always worry aboutyour safety.
But you know what I'm saying.
There's people fighting for theAmerican people and I think
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that's awesome.
It has to help crime, it has tohelp you and everybody.
I think it will.
It's not trying to divide thepeople either, like law
enforcement and racism and allthat crap we've seen these guys
use, for I don't know whatthey're trying to do.
It doesn't make no sense to me.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
No, just pushing all this fake stuff on the media,
making things seem way worsethan it is.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
So we talked about all this stuff here, but I also
heard you fish Lake Ouachita.
I do.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I live pretty close to Lake Ouachita, so you spend
some time out there.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
So you mostly bass fishing and crappie.
What do you fish for?
I fish both.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Really, I do bass and crappie.
Yeah, man, I probably spendmore time crappie fishing than
bass fishing, but I like to doboth.
What's your biggest largemouthout there?
Biggest one I've caught?
Lake Ouachita.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Probably Do they catch like a 10 pounder out
there.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
They have.
There's been some.
Yeah, there's been some 10s.
Come out of it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
And one of those tournaments I want to say last
year there was one where Digglecaught.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Wasn't the Elite last year?
I don't remember.
I think they caught a 10 outthere.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Do you have?
Do you run a live scope on yourboat?
I do.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Okay, that's a controversial subject.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
I was just filling the water up.
Hey, we have live scope.
Let me tell you somethingHonestly I enjoy the challenge
of finding big fish now.
Yeah, you know that's what Ienjoy about bass fishing now.
It's just hunting them down.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
What do they say If you're in scope and you're
hoping yeah, or you're hoping Ifyou're in scope and you're
hoping I ain't going to fishwith no one, I ain't going
Personally, I mean, would you,has LiveScope made you a better
fisherman, maybe a moreknowledgeable fisherman, because
you can actually see theresults that take place?
Speaker 1 (28:33):
No, there's no doubt.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
How many years did you fish without LiveScope?
Were you ever on a lower bottomof?
Speaker 2 (28:40):
the water column.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Since I was a kid, I fished without LiveScope until I
know, but oh as far as fishing,I mean, did you ever realize
how hard it was to get your baitdown there?
As far as fishing, I mean, didyou ever realize how hard it was
to get your bait down?
Speaker 2 (28:49):
there.
No, yeah, you don't realizethat.
You don't realize that youdon't realize how long it takes.
Yeah, it's like when you cansee it in real time, it's kind
of like okay yeah, yeah, you'llhave a bait on that you fished
your whole life and you're.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
You're like I need to have your weight.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
This is taking like two days to get down there.
You can also really figure outhow deep a crankbait runs on
certain lines, yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
You know for sure, you can run a littlest right
next to a weed line or a bassline.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
I would almost guarantee you.
It's taught us how to fish,really, yes, Just the
information you gather from whatyou're doing is beneficial,
like even if you took live scopeaway.
I'm not saying I would stillcatch fish, but I now have a
better understanding of how allmy gear and tackle work.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
I tell you what, though you take live scope away
from me, I'm like I don't knowabout this shit, because I done
went 400 yard, 4 000 yards, andsee one single fish.
You know what I mean?
Dead water, it's dude, it's,it's a whole new game.
We take last couple way.
I I lean on it a lot.
It's, it's a whole new game.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
We take lasco away I I lean on it a lot more for
crappie fishing than I do bassfishing.
Yeah, you know, I still feellike I think there's still a lot
of bass that'll hide from you,even with live scales.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Yeah, they get down there in the bottom.
Yeah, really well sitting onbottom.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
You really got to be paying attention, you know.
But with crappie I mean it's a,it's a game changer I be.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
you'll be 30 foot deep and you're like, there they
are, I'll be standing therestaring at a little spot.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
I'll be like, oh, there she is, she moved, I see
her, you know, and you throwthat thing, you know, because
she'll sit there and she'll stayin there until she flicks.
All of a sudden you'll you know, and especially bed fishing,
you know, and uh boy, it's fun,man Throw a Carolina rig in
there and you catch her, but um,yeah, I pulled crappie out of
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55 foot of water and watchedthem live scope the whole way.
It's amazing, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
It's amazing yeah, it's crazy.
And that kind of technology youknow like it's hard for me to
believe, like even your guyusing, you know, new gear, new
technology like you're talkingabout earlier, it's like imagine
what the government has youknow you guys got drones in the
police force.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
We do Thermal.
Yeah, which ones y'all got.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
We got thermal and FLIR, we run Skydio drones, we
got X2s and we just bought anX10.
Oh, thanks, man bought an X10.
Oh, I hate to make it up the.
X10,.
The X10 has a legit FLIR on it,like like good FLIR, and the
X2s they're thermals man.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
So Talking about talking about sweet yeah.
Talking about covering groundand finding life yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Yeah, it's kind of like drones.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Drones are going to big deal in law enforcement.
I see they already are.
How do y'all I mean what?
What do you see in the future?
Speaker 2 (31:33):
how you guys would use a drone.
We use drone a lot for we useit for a lot of different
situations.
But people that run from usobviously you know you get some
guy that runs off into a woodedarea or some area.
You know you can throw a droneup, you can put middle of the
night, put thermal on.
He's not going to be able tohide very well.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
No.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
We use them on Overwatch for tactical
operations.
So if we're going out to ahouse we'll have the drone out,
like just in advance of the teamgetting there doing Overwatch,
be able to see if anyone was,you know, try to run out the
back door, that kind of thing.
You can also just watch theteam.
I can set it to command post inour we have a bus that we use
for a command post and I manpost and watch it on TV.
Yeah, yeah, I've got my droneoperator outside, you know
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standing there.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Y'all have special training for drone.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Flying.
Yeah, they went to what'scalled the 107 training and
become drone pilots and you know, take the test and all that
stuff.
So, yeah, they did the fullMonty.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
See, I can see that being you know a huge resource
because it's like I, that beingyou know a huge resource because
it's like I didn't mean tochange the subject.
I know, but thermal drones aresweet, you know, like anybody
that's ever seen one in person.
It's just like you can findwhatever life is out there so
fast and efficient that it beatsyou know boots on the ground
running around looking for a guy.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
The new thing in law enforcement is drones as first
responders.
So the new thing that'shappening right now is that you
have actual landing pads for thedrones.
They're actually littlecapsules where the drone goes
inside of that.
I've seen them, I've seen those.
It sits there, you know, andthen when it sits where, though,
when you call, it could be ontop of the building, it could be
in the back lot, it can bewherever you want to put it.
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It keeps the from freezing.
You know it's got a warmerinside of it in case you're in
freezing temperatures.
And then you can pilot thatdrone from any computer that you
have connectivity with.
So you can literally sit in aroom inside of wherever and you
could have that drone fly outand go to the scene of a crime
before an officer even getsthere.
And you think about how muchfaster you can get there on a
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straight line as opposed totrying to navigate roadways.
Yeah, you know, so you can getthese drones out there in
advance.
We're not.
We haven't moved that far withour drone program yet, but
there's agencies and-.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I can see it, I can see it happening.
So how does that work, though?
Because, you know, like our,like our drones, you know, you
gotta, you gotta be within arange for it to work.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
So does those drones work off like connectivity
cellular?
Okay, that's how you're able tonavigate them from anywhere.
Yep, so as long as you can geta cell signal, you can navigate
it.
That's pretty crazy.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yeah, and that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
So you just have them stationed up ready, just spread
out amongst the the city yeah,there's some agencies in in
america now that they havemultiple places where they have
the drones pre-staged and andthey send them out on calls like
that yeah, I've seen that.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I've seen those.
I mean those little state, youknow, those stations, whatever.
That's pretty cool.
I thought I'd get one too,something with the drones.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
We're basically almost two robocop stage.
You know what I?
Mean I mean, how many years outyou think we are from.
You know, all of a sudden, somedude you know trying to steal a
car or something and jones likestarts talking to him.
You know trying to steal a caror something and Joan's like shh
starts talking to him.
You know like oh, they gotspeakers for them too.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Yeah, yeah, you can talk to them now.
We're already there.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
No, they got speakers for them.
We're already there.
You're not keeping up with thedrones?
Speaker 1 (34:38):
No, I'm not like you, apparently.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
They got speakers, they got ropes, you can pull
stuff with.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I mean, yeah, that's pretty cool, you can actually
get them to lock onto a car andfollow the car.
You can drop a GPS dot on a mapand send it out to there and
it'll go out there it's crazytechnology.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
It's crazy technology , but it also saves officers too
, because you get a drone up inthe air and you kind of know
what you're dealing with.
You know, so it could save alife.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
It can stay around corners.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
I like technology.
You know some people don't liketechnology.
I like technology.
I like Lyscope.
I think Lyscope's cool.
I mean, some people hate it theold school guys hate it but
that's just because they'rehaving a hard time learning it.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
It's not because Because it's not fun to learn.
You know it's aggravating,especially bass fishing Like
crappie.
You know they're all brushpiled up or you know they're all
together we're back on fishing.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
It's a little bit easier.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Just like that, we're back.
We're back on fishing, but bassfishing with it.
It took me like three months tolike get to where I could
actually catch a fish that Iseen on the screen.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
It's harder than what people think it is.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Oh for for sure.
I mean just because you canfind them.
Don't make the, they're allgoing to buy it.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
But damn boat control , like controlling your boat and
making a cast and watching thescreen and working your jig.
I mean that's a lot of shitgoing on.
It's a lot, it's a lot harderthan what people think.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
I just think it's a.
You know it's the evolution ofeverything.
You know technology has evolvedgreatly over the years.
From you know, we were drivingup here this morning talking
about you know we had teachersthat said, hey, you're not going
to.
You got to learn how to do realmath.
You're not going to have acalculator in your pocket.
Really, everybody does.
Not only do we have calculators, we got computers, yeah, you
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know.
And now we got LiveScope.
It's just like when I startedfishing with my dad when I was a
little kid, you know we had abox flasher that was it that's
all we had was a flasher.
And I remember when my dadbought a paper graph.
I remember that and you know,the paper graph had the little,
uh thermal paper with the thehigh temp stylus.
That's how it would burn theimage on the paper yeah that was
super cool, like it was a cool,super cool technology back then
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.
But it was a pain because youhad to change out the paper all
the time.
What that's crazy, but man, ithad great detail.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
I had a bag fun one time.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
So you know, it's just like everything else.
You see the evolution oftechnology and fishing, just
like you do in every otheraspect of society.
Yeah, it's all going crazy.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Even the reels and the rods, man.
Oh yeah, you could spend somemoney on some rod rod rails.
Super light and strong.
If you don't know what a $1,000rod and reel feels like, oh my
God.
Yeah, you know there's a hugedifference.
Sad, but it is unfortunately.
You know it's crazy, I meaneven what was that?
Speaker 1 (37:18):
that just came out.
They figured out how to make awhat was it?
Quantum chip computer chip.
What's up with that?
Have y'all seen heard of thequantum computer chip?
No, not, nobody's heard this,but me, no, not in a real is
like microsoft or somebody, Idon't know who.
I can't don't quote me on thisbecause I do not know.
But a quantum computer chip oh,people will eat you up on that
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one.
No, look it up, I'm serious.
I've been seeing stuff about it, but I don't really know that
that clip's gonna go viral.
But I don't really know nothingabout it.
That clip's going to go viral,I'm just saying hey, he's going
to look it up.
He's fixing what we got what?
Speaker 3 (37:58):
we got Daniel.
He's still looking.
He don't even know what you'retalking about.
So what kind of fishing tackledo you use?
What's your favorite lure youthrow?
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Oh, now we're going to get bass or crappie Bass.
Man, I'm a big fan of acrankbait.
Oh yeah, you like to crank, Ido.
I'm a big fan of a crankbait,you know versatile bait.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
I throw it right down the middle of a brush ball too,
Really yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Absolutely, I'll be locking mine up, dude.
I'll be like, well, I was going.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
What's your favorite color?
Something in shad.
I fish clear water a lot, sosomething in a shad pattern.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Yeah, something natural that makes sense too.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
I mean other times of the year.
Maybe you know there's certaintimes of the year you want to
throw reds, and you know, withorange bellies and things like
that you want to imitate acrawfish more, maybe.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Or, depending on you know the area that you're
fishing or whatever.
Yeah, I mean I'm, but you know,day in and day out I'll, I'll
grab a shad pattern.
Oh yeah, down here down south,you know what we lean on.
A lot is like uh, like we'llthrow all the shaky heads, worms
we throw, uh crawls, a bunch ofstuff like that.
We're, for the most part we jigfish.
I would say Texas rig.
Probably the most is what Ithrow.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Finesse fishing.
We do a lot of sinkos and dropshots and stuff like that.
Of course we catch a lot offish up there and drop shots.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yeah, I mean, I do all that stuff too, but you know
, if you made me like just pickone, that I would probably throw
more than another one.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Man, you crank it all day.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
I'll crank it all day .
Yeah, oh my God, I have mytennis elbow.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Don't you have to write your number and stuff.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Just got to get the right gear ratio.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Yeah, I mean, what is the gear ratio for you?
What do you like?
Speaker 2 (39:44):
I'll throw a.
If I'm cranking, I'll throw a6-to-1.
Usually, oh, 6-to-1?
.
Yeah, what about, paul?
I'm not real picky.
You Something soft?
Yeah, I like something a littlebit softer.
Tip for throwing a crankbait oranything that's got, you know,
trebles on it.
Yeah, really yeah, but yeah,something a little stiffer, of
course, for throwing.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
I've seen some monster bass come out of grass
lines with a crankbait.
You know rail traps and stuff,you know, I've just seen them.
That is cool it is.
You ever see, you got a livescope down there.
You see that thing, wow, justcome popping out of the grass.
You get all nervous as shit beshaking.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Hey, all of a sudden your speed drew it in.
Then all of a sudden you got tochange everything.
The actual fish is coming.
That's the worst part.
The worst part for me.
When the fish is coming, it'slike all right, just act cool,
Act like you don't know.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
He's there, mickey Rigger, or something out there,
and I'm over there and here hecomes, he turns, he comes around
, and then I just fall apart.
Oh shit, oh shit, start doublebouncing.
You're like don't mess up,don't mess up, don't mess up,
slow down, slow down.
You'd be talking to yourself,you know.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
It's a shit show.
Then I look up, Then I I can'tfind the fish again.
I'm like nah.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Yeah, your boat's drifting over the fish.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
You're like no, no, no no, no, no, I'm directly over
the brush pile.
I'm like, great yeah, that'sthe part about it.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Then that's when he called me and was like hey,
what's wrong?
I just ran over my fish.
You know he's gone.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
I just can't keep my boat controlled.
You know, bass fishing in myscope is hard, but.
But what do you fish out of?
I've got a Triton.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
TR-19.
Oh nice, Thank you, Dan.
How fast does it?
Speaker 2 (41:23):
run About, I don't know, between 60, 65.
Yeah, 150 on my honor bags.
I'm an older, it's an Earl Benzboat.
Oh, yeah, yeah, thank you.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
I met a kid Back when they got into the aluminum
business.
Yeah, you know, because it wasin the aluminum business.
They came over to Express Boats, I think you know.
They tried to get them to buildtheir boats.
They said no.
So then he said, okay, I'mgoing to build my own boat.
Yeah, and it looks just like anexpress.
It's crazy, it's amazing howthat works.
Yeah, but yeah, it was a, itwas.
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It was a good day.
What was my first boat?
I had a Ranger.
Oh man, you had a Ranger onetime.
My first fiberglass boat.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
And what'd you have after that?
You had one more.
What glass boat or aluminumboat.
You had a.
You had a, you had boat.
No, it's just a ranger.
Hmm, maybe, maybe.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
I thought maybe you got one, you were gonna do.
Well, we started building ourown boats.
Well, that's true, you know, westarted using our own boats,
you know.
But we still got glass boatstoo.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
We like glass boats, yeah, we like all boats it's
hard to beat a glass boat for,like, rough, rough water at big
lakes.
You know like getting set upand you know the wind not
blowing around, uh, handling therough water in an open lake.
You know it's hard to beat aglass boat for that For sure.
The weight of them, you knowit's just something to it the
way they're able to curve.
You know aluminum is allstraight lines just about.
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You know so, like, if you can'trun a straight line there, you
can't technically bend it.
You know at least what we havehere.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Yeah it, it's tough building a boat.
It's tough building boats thatlook like a glass boat.
That glass boat stuff justlooks so good.
It's crazy.
It's got so much more benefitswhen you're fishing, like you
said, big waters.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Hey, fishing weather is here too.
Yeah, it is, it's here.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
We're about ready to go fishing.
You're going to have to quitworking and go fishing.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
I would have been fishing today, but you guys
wanted me to come here.
Quit working, go fishing.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
I would have been fishing today, but you guys
wanted me to come here.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
That's right, man.
Well, if you would have told usyou wanted to go fishing, we'd
have understood that.
We would have just done this onthe water.
We'd have thought, wow, wow,wow.
See, that's just lack ofcommunication.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
If he would have told us that we'd have done this on
the water.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Yeah, david would have called me, and Maybe we'll
do the next one like that.
I think we're going fishingtomorrow.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
So yeah, first time of the year, we're ready.
I still got so much to do in myboat.
Yeah, you got to put somegraphs on the stuff, but anyways
, man, that was awesome.
Do you regret being I mean, doyou ever regret going to law
enforcement?
No, I don't have any regrets atall.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
I do not.
If you're doing it all overagain, are you doing it the same
way you married?
Speaker 2 (43:58):
I'm married.
Yeah, Been married to the samewoman forever.
She ever Since before I was apolice officer.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
She always worried about.
You know, being married to anofficer.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Yeah, I mean I've had some.
You know I've had some of thoseassignments over the years that
were kind of crazy.
You know I did SWAT for aboutsix to almost 17 years.
You know I did SWAT for aboutsix, almost 17 years.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
It's probably kind of like military life.
You know it's tough, you know,especially when men go off to
war.
For an officer I think it wouldbe worse because they're always
in a war.
You know, just every moment,every day could be you know.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
You're gone on deployment for a year, you know,
or whatever, At least with lawenforcement you're coming home
every night.
I mean.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
I think it's worse.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
I mean I think it's worse for law enforcement.
Yeah, just every day notknowing.
Yeah, I mean, that's what Imeant.
I mean I think it's worse foronly you guys, because, in my
opinion, anyway, because youguys are always on the streets,
you're always out there, likefor you guys it's war every day.
You know, you never know whenit could turn.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
That's right, you never know Any traffic stop
could turn into something youknow horrendous.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Yeah, in a heartbeat.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Yeah, you know.
Yeah, and we've had it happentoo, you know.
I mean, any city is or any lawenforcement officer, period is,
you know, subject to thathappening at any moment?
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
You know, just the same way, like when you realize
that you wanted to be lawenforcement, you know, obviously
at that point something bad hadhappened to somebody else.
You know, in your position, Imean it's crazy, Any day could
be.
I mean you got to take them allone day at a time, huh.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
It has to be pretty tough on your old lady, though
your wife, you know.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Yeah, and like I said , I work some crazy schedules.
I mean we all do.
You know I can do this for verylong and I've done it for a
long time.
I've had some crazy schedulesand stuff throughout the—.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
She ever gets you, won't you quit?
She's like, just quit.
She's like can you be somebodynormal for once?
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Yeah, she's ready for me to retire anytime, I bet I
guarantee you.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
I bet definitely is.
I can see that.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Especially since you know you said, y'all been
together since before.
You know how long have you beenmarried?
Speaker 2 (46:05):
Oh, you would ask me, it would be 28 years and about
a month.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
You got to quit doing that.
We don't have to.
You got to quit doing that.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
He'd be putting everybody 28 In a month from now
28.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
28 years I've been married, 27, 28.
I'm right there with you.
We're married so damn long, itdoesn't even matter I mean
whatever, it's only like aquarter of a decade.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yeah, I mean a century.
Golly, I'm going to get roastedfor that too.
Every time it's me yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
You start to shit, man.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
I'm telling you, man but I know there's a quantum
chip.
I didn't make that up.
Google that, guys.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
Marriage is a good thing.
You know, I love my wife morenow than I did when I first met
her.
For sure, yeah, to put up withme for this long, that's what I
was gonna say.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
They put up with us all these years.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
I start, you know you get where you're in your, and I
just start feeling sorry forher.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
I'm sorry.
I'm trying to do better.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
It's been 27 years of this bullshit.
I get it, you know.
I mean.
Eventually he starts saying,okay, fuck, you're a good woman,
you know Law enforcement wivesput up with a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
I bet you know, oh, hey boat builder, wives, too,
getting called in at randomtimes.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
You know, and I mean we don't really know how they
feel on the other side you knowthey watch us walk out the door
in a uniform or whatever you'redoing that day.
You know, and you're going towork, and you know I don't
really know how she felt.
Speaker 3 (47:23):
She feels proud and scared all at the same time.
Yeah, I guarantee it, you know,I guarantee it she feels proud
and scared.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Women are stronger than we are Absolutely, and put
up way more than we'd be able toput up with.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
He wouldn't be many years without his old lady.
That's why he goes to workevery day.
That's true 100%.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
Well, billy, thanks for coming.
It was awesome learning aboutit and maybe next time we'll go
fishing.
Obviously, we had a gap in thecommunication chain.
Apparently, we do If we'd haveknown that you would have been
fishing and we're getting readyto be fishing we would have just
synced right up in the middleand we'd be doing this fishing.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
Yeah, yeah.
I don't know if we'd do apodcast fishing, but we would
have said, okay, let'sreschedule for a rainy day.
Way to go, david.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
A bad day Well that wraps this thing up, guys.
Thanks, this was good.
I hope you catch big fish thisyear.
If you do, please send them.
We'll do an update, definitely,stay safe out there.
Definitely Thank you and youknow I hope everybody wants to
say thanks to you know all thelaw enforcement and all these
cities and all these states.
You know, because it's a toughjob.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
And somebody's got to do it and tell all pull any
wrapped trucks over and have it.
Guys, let them go.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
Yeah, give them the green light and open 167 up
Y'all be chill when you drivethrough Hot Springs now.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
We're shaking bacon we're shaking bacon.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
You'll know for the rest of the season.
We'll have a bass boat behindus.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
You'll see us what's all the Couch Rocket guys do
they tap their helmet you?
Speaker 1 (48:54):
That's what we'll be doing.
You see that and you're like ohwait a minute, there's
something going on here.
That wraps it up.
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Hey, it's 5 o'clock and off the clock with B Scott,
today we got Billy Harvingtonwith us.
Today.
He's the Hot Springs Chief ofPolice.
Now he's going to tell us abouthis career, how he got into
that.
We might talk a little bit offishing, but, guys, there's a
lot of technology that's new inthe police force.
We're going to talk a littlebit about that.
It's kind of crazy really.
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Let's get in.
So, billy, thanks for makingthe trip down here today.
I'm sure you're busy, as always.
I'm definitely happy you got tocome and kind of tell us a
little bit about yourself andhow you got to be the chief of
Hot Springs.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah, it's kind of a long story.
That's been a.
That's quite the journey.
So I started in law enforcementin 1997.
My dad was a police officerwith Hot Springs for 27 years.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
So when you were a kid, was it you know?
You looked up to your dad andyou thought maybe that's
something you wanted to go to.
Same kind of route.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
So I originally thought I wanted to be a game
warden.
And what made you want to be agame warden?
Just like the outdoors, youknow, like everyone else hunting
and fishing.
And game ward, just like theoutdoors, like everyone else
hunting and fishing.
And so I was kind of drawn tothat and I thought, you know
it'd be, it'd be a cool job,still be in law enforcement, but
different, kind of a differenttwist to, you know, be out there
and outside and in nature andstuff, um.
But then I found out what theymade at the time and what the
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requirements were, that whenyou'd have a four-year degree
and it was like one of thelowest paying really law
enforcement jobs, I was like,yeah, maybe that's not.
I wonder why it ain't like that, no more, no, no, it's better
now, but back then it was so itwasn't so great.
And then of course I, you know,at that time, coming out of
high school and stuff, you hadto be, I needed to be 21 years
of age before I could be a lawenforcement officer.
It's still that way now.
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I kind of decided to take otherroutes and really didn't know
what I wanted to do for a whileand unfortunately, in 1996, we
had an officer killed in theline of duty.
His name was Chris Anderson andI knew Chris and I knew him
through my dad and that kind ofthing, and I was working another
job at the time and I guess youcould say I was trying to find
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my way in life.
Yeah, you know so.
And but the day of his funeralI was, I was out working on my
job and the funeral processionwent down Central Avenue right
in front of me and that's when Idecided I was going to be a
police officer, that's kind of.
it's kind of weird, maybe youknow, or you know people think,
well, just click for you, man aguy just got killed in the line
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of duty and now you want to be acop.
But you know it was.
You know.
That was just a moment that Iknew that that's what I was
going to do.
Yeah, you're doing it for adifferent reason yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
You know.
So that's good.
And you've seen, you've seenall of it around like the you
know, yeah, and a guy you knowgave the ultimate sacrifice,
yeah, and something you knowpeople want to be a part of.
It's kind of like thebrotherhood you know.
We had Frank Weston here maybea week or two ago.
Yeah.
And that's one thing he pushedwas, like you know, the
brotherhood, the team, theatmosphere of that.
I mean I'm sure you know youdepend on your people and you
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get drawn to that and, you know,hooked on that.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah, it's very much that way in law enforcement too.
You know, I mean, you're alwaysworking within a team, within a
unit, and I was kind of thatway growing up.
You know I played team sportsand you know I was into that
kind of thing and so I was kindof naturally drawn to, you know,
a team environment.
So yeah, I mean that's anotheraspect of the job.
A lot of guys that areteam-driven do well in law
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enforcement and military, ofcourse too.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah.
So as a police chief, I mean,what is your responsibilities at
a police station?
I mean, I guess you're the boss, man, huh, I'm the boss.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
That's good.
I answer to the city manager.
We have city managers form agovernment and then our city
manager answers to our board ofdirectors, our city director.
So I answer directly to him.
I have a really good citymanager.
He's very, very supportive ofthe police department and
supportive of me and just a goodall-around guy, honestly.
But my job is the whole thing.
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Yeah, you know, I've got 159employees within our
organization, I've got 115 swornofficers and, of course, we
have civilian staff, we havedispatchers, we have animal
control under us and so there'sa lot of responsibility.
Right, we've got a fleet of 150cars.
Wow.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Yeah, I didn't realize Hot Springs was that big
.
I mean, I know it's a big city,but that's a lot of cop cars.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, well, all of our officers have take-home
units, you know, which is a perkfor them, but that's a big
fleet to take care of, so I gotpeople that have to do that
Absolutely so when your phonerings, more likely they're
needing a, they got a problem,usually yeah, yeah and as you,
as you guys know, there's a lotof problems day in and day out.
I know it's like my phone rings.
Oh boy, here we go.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
You never know what it's going to be either.
It's always like that you neverknow.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
It could be anything from.
You know the air conditioner isout at the police department
and we need to have somebodycome up there and work on that,
or it could be we have a majorincident, yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Anything in between and do you know where your
officers Not that much.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yeah, I mean, that's not the life of a police chief,
really, right?
You know any kind of sizablecity, right?
So you need more admin stuff.
There's a lot of admin stuff.
I spend a lot of time sittingbehind a computer and of course,
that's not been my career allalong.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, you don't just start oneday and the next chief I mean
I've had an evolution of acareer Did you have to apply for
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that job.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I did, okay.
Well, I got you, I got you.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
How many years were you in before you applied?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
to be the police chief.
I was appointed chief.
It's been almost two full yearsnow, and so I had about 25 and
a half years, almost 26 years,because I'm going to hit 28
years in September of this year.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
So I mean, is it hard to find new recruits?
Yeah, Is it so?
I mean, have you seen a declineof people wanting to be police
officers?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
For, sure, really.
And why do you think that?
Is For sure, Like what?
Do you think the reasoningbehind that is?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I really don't feel like.
You know, our society thesedays has the same type of
patriotism, the same type ofcommitment to serve their
community, their country, likewe.
You know, we've seen in, youknow years past.
That you saw 20, 30 years ago,when were you born?
I was born in 1973.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
So yeah, I mean yeah, 73, 75, the 80s, you know those
guys, those rocks, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
But you had to have law enforcement.
It's like at what point do youthink that it?
You know it's hard to say, butlike, surely you can't get to
where, like nobody wants to doit, well, they want robots man.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
It's much more difficult than it is now, than
what it was when I started,because there's more people.
Well, it's much more.
There's so much more for anofficer to keep up with and for
an officer to know and have todo and rules, regulations.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
I mean there's a lot of technology.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, I mean, when I started there wasn't, you know,
we got a notepad and a pen and abadge and a gun and no
computers.
And you learned no GPS Right.
You learned law, you know.
You went to the academy likeeveryone else does.
You learn state statutes, youlearn how to apply the law.
You do a little field trainingwith you know some other guys
you know, but there's so muchmore to it these days.
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You know, yeah, Computers andcars and dash cams and body cams
and tasers, and you know, thelist goes on and on.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
And that turns people you know away from maybe
pursuing being in lawenforcement because there's
maybe the liability that goeswith it.
You know they don't want to get, you know, put herself at risk,
not just physically, like asfar as harm goes.
But, like you know, I don'twant to get in trouble with this
.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
You know I don't want , you know, to be somebody
filming me, you know, and put inthese positions.
You know, yeah, and I mean youknow, you see, as a young guy
these days, if you're 21, 22, 23years old, and you see things
that are going on on the newsand you see where police
officers are being prosecutedfor certain things, and you know
that has to cause apprehensionin them and I can understand
that.
You know, when I took the testto be a police officer, I sat in
a room with probably 110 or 20other people and took that test,
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and that was in 1996, of course.
And now we're lucky if we canget 30.
Really, yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
And the people that's coming to be a police officer.
Why are they doing it, do youknow?
I mean, why aren't they doingit?
Are they doing it because theycan't find a job?
Or they're doing it becausethey want to be a police officer
?
I mean, have you seen a changeof of?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Well, no, I think guys have guys that get into
this, guys and gals, both youknow they have an honest reason
for wanting.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
There used to be a whole lot more people, yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
You know, and I mean you know, I'll admit like when I
went into law enforcement I wasthe adrenaline junkie kind of
guy.
Yeah, you know, and I wanted to.
You know I wanted to chase badguys and you know, drive cars
and turn lights and sirens onand you know, do the stuff that
you think is cool, that you see,I mean it is cool.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I mean, I was in high school and I guess I had a
program down there Get kids outof high school for being police
officers, yeah.
So I actually went into thatprogram that's cool and I got to
ride around and learn all thatstuff and I was going to be a
police officer too.
I was going to be either thator going to military, but I
ended up building boats.
But yeah, I was, I was.
I always wanted to be a cop too.
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I always wanted to be a cop.
For the same reason, I thoughtit was cool.
Now they're scaring me because,oh my God, here we go, a
Mississippi ticket.
Jesus, I don't know what youcan do, but 167 has changed 75
miles an hour 167's bad.
If we can get that done, I don'tknow.
Pull some strings.
I've got no clout for that.
I'm telling you it's terrible.
It's terrible Like that has tobe a money pit of.
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I don't know how much moneythey make off of that highway,
but it's a lot.
I mean, if you're speedingyou're going to get a ticket.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Absolutely which I mean.
He's looking at him like whatdid you just beat?
Speaker 3 (10:02):
me that's a tough one , I don't know, but you know 60
feels slow on this highway.
I mean, come on, man, you knowevery car, you know what I'm
saying.
You know every car you buynowadays.
They go fast, they're easy todrive.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
They can not burn a lot of gas I get pulled over by
this cop.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I'm like dude, come on, give me a break here.
You know I'm like I get so mad,but I understand what you guys
are doing.
If you don't have rules,everybody will speed.
But it was 530 in the morningwith nobody in that state of
Arkansas up besides me, he'sspeaking of one incident, so you
can tell.
I mean he's gets very detailedhere.
It really gets under my skin.
But yeah, cops are a good thing.
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You know I just want to be acop and you know I think you
guys are cool.
No-transcript, there's alwaysbad and good.
You know some I mean how?
I mean you guys are pullingpeople over y'all doing.
You know you're out thereworking the streets.
I mean, is the attitudes gottenbetter towards cops?
Cause you know, three or fouryears ago it was terrible.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Well, I think we're lucky in, you know, probably in
Arkansas, but in our communityin particular.
We've always had good supportfrom our community.
Yeah, now do you have thosepeople that are going to be
those problem folks when youpull them over?
Absolutely, those folks.
They're all over the place,they live everywhere.
But we also have a lot ofsupport in our community, you
know.
I mean you guys know, growingup in Arkansas, I mean I would
think that we're a little bitmore patriotic than people in
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other states and othercommunities.
You know, and I think peopleappreciate the job In general.
I think people here appreciatethe job that you know people do
as a police officer.
So we've always had a lot ofsupport.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
You got to do a lot of community events to you know,
get people to you know we do.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah, and we're very community oriented in our
department.
Yeah, do a lot of thingsthroughout the year.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I've never been pulled over by a hot springs cop
by the way, that a lot ofthings throughout the year.
I've never been pulled over bya hot springs cop, by the way.
That's good.
No, I haven't either actually.
Yeah, that's a good thing forus, huh, yeah, so, other than
law enforcement, I mean, youknow, obviously, you know we
talked a little bit before wegot on about, you know, shooting
, fishing, you do some otherthings, you know.
But I know your time has got tobe limited.
You, you know, being the chief,you're the guy everybody you
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know looks to for answers so I'msure your phone's ringing off
the hook, so where?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
do you find the time?
Well, I don't have a lot oftime, yeah, but when I do, yeah,
I like to, I like to hunt fishand you know, I do a little
little shooting on the side, alittle recreational shooting,
sometimes a little competitionshooting, things like that and
is this like all like firearmsand uh not firearms?
Speaker 1 (12:40):
it's like uh like pistols and stuff.
Or is it like competitionshooting like that?
Or is it long range?
What kind of competitionshooting you're?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
talking yeah, mostly pistol.
I've done you know a littleuspsa shooting.
I've done.
You know a few idpa matches, um, steel challenge things like
that, do some rimfire matches.
We got a local range there andkind of a shooting club not far
from Hot Springs.
It's pretty big into you knowall that kind of stuff.
So I go out there and I shootwith those guys.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
And you have requirements for your police
officers to shoot and do thatkind of stuff.
Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, everybody has to pass a qualification.
You know course for theirhandgun and a patrol rifle AR-15
.
You know course for theirhandgun and a patrol rifle ar-15
.
You know they have to pass aminimum qualification course for
all that stuff and and uh, youknow we do that a couple times a
year I mean, how often is it?
Speaker 1 (13:26):
people will have a hard time getting through the
shooting part of it um, reallynot.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Not very often at all .
You know, sometimes when wehire some new guys, they haven't
been around guns that much orsomething and you know they
might.
They might have a littledifficulty, but we don't have
much of a problem with that.
You know, I think we do apretty good job probably better
than some of teaching our folkson the front end.
When we bring them in we havesome good trainers and spend a
lot of time with them.
We get them, you know,developing good habits instead
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of bad habits.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah, you know we had a.
We actually had a shooting herenot too long ago.
Yeah, you know it was terrible.
I think it took way too long,you know, to get the bad guy,
but it seemed like they didn'thave very good shooting skills.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
I mean that or, and another thing too, was like the
time that he did it was likemiddle of the day on a Friday.
You know most men that mightwould have arms, you know with
them, you know they're all atwork and he did it at like a
supermarket on a Friday.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
But I also think it's a small town, and I just don't
think the small town justrealized something like that
would ever happen.
I just think they were sounprepared, or something like
that.
It was crazy, it was insane.
You know, do you guys train forthat?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
We do.
We do active shooter trainingevery year.
That's part of our refreshertraining with all of our guys
annually.
When we bring in new officersthey get active shooter training
and then they'll get it againwhen they go to the academy and
then they're going to get anannual refresher with us every
year.
We also do scenario-basedtraining.
So when we do scenario-basedtraining we have people as role
players and we set up scenariosfor guys to, you know, have to
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work through, if you will, andthey're carrying semi-munition
pistols you know it's kind ofsimilar to a paintball gun and
of course we wear eye pro andstuff, you know, so guys don't
get their eyes damaged.
But and then we, you know,create the scenarios and then
officers have to work throughthose scenarios and some of them
are shoot scenarios, some ofthem are don't shoot scenarios.
Decision-making kind of stuffputs you under a lot of stress,
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you know.
It's kind of like to your pointwhere you said seemed like it
took them a long time and thenwhen they got there maybe they
didn't shoot so well, you know,you might assume that those
guys'm saying I don't think theydid.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
I mean, I don't even know if they had AR-15s or not
or whatnot, but I think they did.
It just was just a lot ofshooting.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
It was mass chaos too , because you know the public
was there.
It had a grocery store,Everybody was running around,
Some people were trying to pullout, Some people were, you know,
just this was mass scramble Meand Brandon was actually fishing
and I heard about the shooting.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
So I called a buddy of mine and his wife got shot.
And then I knew my wife wassomewhere around there and we
had our little grandson with herand I was thinking, oh my God,
and I couldn't get a hold of mywife.
I was freaking out and we ranthat 300-hour about as hard as
we could to get back to the boatramp.
We load her up and we hauledher up.
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She finally called me.
Thank God, boy, you're talkingabout being scared, being scared
.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
And I imagine being even local law enforcement and
that situation going down.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
I think everybody was scared.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
You have to be For them.
They're going in.
You know they're risking theirlives to go and try to confront
this guy and say you don't haveall the training or you don't
have, you know, never been putin that situation.
I mean that's prettyfrightening, I imagine yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
And I, you know that dude just walked around shooting
people in the glass man.
You know, I told my wife we'regetting our windows tinted dark
as they could get and I'm like,screw it, we'll get a ticket,
we'll get a ticket.
But you know that's what he did.
I mean, if he'd seen somebody,he went after them.
You know.
(17:13):
You know, it's just terrible.
It's terrible to be like that.
I can't imagine, you know, theofficers here.
They were probably scared.
They probably didn't know seennothing like that.
You know, the sheriff came inand took care of the problem,
but he was an older guy.
You know, he's been in lawenforcement for a long time and
he just got in there and got itdone.
You could tell the differencein training and experience, you
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know.
So I mean, you guys trainreally hard for that kind of
stuff.
I mean, is this something thatyou just do once a year Because
it seems like it just needs?
You know, all of our lawenforcement needs to be trained
for that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Yeah, we train all of our folks for that kind of
stuff and we train multipletimes a year and we train with,
you know, with our pistols, withour rifles, you know we try to
give them the put the best toolsin their toolbox that we can.
That's good, that's good,that's good.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Do y'all have any kind of like special unit,
anything you'd call in for, likemaybe a situation like that?
We have a SWAT team, swat team,yeah, a city.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
SWAT team yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
See, that's something we don't you know.
We're just don't know that onwhat they have in their car with
them.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Really, in a situation like that, you're not
going to get a SWAT teamresponse.
I mean, you will get a SWATteam response eventually, but
that's not really who's going torespond to those kind of
situations.
Yeah, it's going to be the citycops, it's going to be the guy
that's working that area.
Right then, whoever gets thatcall on the radio, that's going
to be your first respondingofficer.
You know I and you knowballistic shields and other
equipment.
(18:47):
Of course you know mosteverybody carries, you know,
AR-15s in their cars these daysand you know that was really
kind of born from the LA bankrobbery back in the day, the
shootout that lasted 47 minutes.
You know, and that's crazy ifyou don't know the history of it
or you haven't watched it, butthat's kind of what born the
whole ar-15 in the hands ofpolice officers.
You know before that you reallyjust had tactical units and
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people like that.
They were on SWAT teams, theywere, they were carrying rifles
every day.
But you know they realized theywere outgunned in that deal.
So, um, that kind of changedthat, that trend.
You know and would say you knowmost bigger departments these
days guys are going to havethose kinds of tools at their
disposal.
Yeah, so if you're going into asituation like that, you want
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to take an AR-15.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Yeah, you want to take something you can reach out
to a little bit, you know yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Well, plus that gives you two weapon platforms, so
you know if that thing jams orbreaks or you never know what's
going to happen, then you canimmediately transition to a
handgun.
You still got a working gun.
You can still handle and dosome work.
You ever been in a shootout oranything like that?
I haven't personally Beenpretty close a couple times
Pretty close.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Yeah, yeah, Well that's something I'm like.
The crime that takes place now.
Is it more violent, BecauseI've heard some people talk
about it being more violent?
Now the crime, like per crime,seems to be typically more
violent than it used to be.
You know what's your take onthat.
Is it getting crazier, Is it?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
getting.
I think crimes is like anythingelse.
You see trends in it.
You know you see ups and downsand you know we saw some years
where I think crime was up andyou know we saw some years where
I think crime was up and youknow I think we're on the
downside of that now.
I know in Hot Springs we'veseen our crime stats going down
the last few years.
Our violent crime stats aredown, our property crime stats
are down pretty much just acrossthe board.
(20:32):
What do you think drives that?
Do you think the economy drivesthat?
I think it's a lot of differentthings.
I think the economy can play arole in it.
I think public sentiment canplay a role.
You know it's.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
And public sentiment.
What do you mean by that?
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Well, I mean just, you know the things that are
exposed in the media or broughtout in the media that drive
people's.
You know mentality towardspolice and things like that.
You know.
I think we went through a spellthere and where he saw a lot of
defiance towards the police,you know, and we saw that was
driven by politics.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Yeah, exactly yeah a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yes yeah, and we don't always do best by
ourselves in law enforcement.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
We can do some things that give us a black eye as
well, you know but so you'resure you, you make mistakes, and
everybody nowadays with theinternet is like that's another
thing they're looking for areason to do it.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Social media probably drives a ton of it, you know
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
A lot of it.
So I think you know, with crime, just like you see ups and
downs in the economy, you seeups and downs in crime trends,
yeah, and I think we're seeingdowns now, you know.
And jobs.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
I mean, if people got jobs, they're working instead
of stealing right?
Yeah, I mean it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
The drug market, of course you know drives a lot of
it.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Do you deal with a lot of that in high springs in
general?
Is it?
Is there a lot of you knowcrime that's drug related versus
you know, say?
Speaker 3 (21:55):
What's the worst, I mean, what's the highest crime?
I think that's what you'retrying to ask, right?
Is it theft?
Is it drugs?
What is it as?
Speaker 2 (22:02):
far as the highest incident.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Typically, what are you going to see in hot springs?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
more of when you're going to see.
I think in any area in thecountry you know your property
crimes are going to be yourhighest incident of crime.
Okay.
Like stealing stuff and drugsand drug-related.
But most crime in some way hassome nexus towards drugs.
I mean, a lot are you knowpeople are stealing to support a
drug habit?
People are, you know, shootingother people because you know
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they're robbing them becausethey have drugs or they have
money.
You know, or you know bothRight?
You see that a lot.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Right.
So it's crazy Is the drugsgetting better?
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I would say no.
Really, I wonder, you know,it's like one of the things like
, as soon as you get somethingout, imagine something moves
right back in.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Well, you have to understand, the drug market is
always going to be driven by thecartels, yeah, and they're
going to find a way, though Ithink that, yeah, the border
crisis is not helping.
That's not helping the federalgovernment there's no way that
could be helping.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
No, there's no way that could be helping them.
Democrats are into somethingelse, but anyways.
I mean absolutely the shit theycome up with blows my mind.
But anyways, let's not getstarted on Democrats.
But that has to help, right?
I mean people coming into thecountry.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
You know those guys are looking for there's going to
be less opportunity to bringdrugs into it.
Right, that only makes sense.
That's just logic.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Less risk.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Right, you know, if we lessen the number of people
that are coming into the countryillegally, we're going to
lessen the incident of at leastthe availability for them to
bring drugs in Makes sense, youknow.
Going back to the cartel thing,though, I mean you can look at
the evolution of the drug marketin America and you know when I
started in law enforcement itwas all about cocaine, crack
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cocaine.
That was when you were seeing alot of the gang wars and things
you know like between Bloodsand Crips, and that was when the
crack cocaine market just blewup and then that kind of changed
over the years.
You know, back thenmethamphetamine was something
that guys cooked in their ownkitchen.
Right, you know, for the mostpart you can look at further
history of it.
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You know that was something thebiker gangs were involved in,
that some too, and butmethamphetamine back then was
something that most peoplecooked in their, in their
kitchen.
We broke down a lot of methlabs back in the day, like we
were, and that's a nastyenvironment to be in a lot of
chemicals, a lot of nasty stuff,a lot of nasty stuff.
That's crazy A lot of peoplecooking methamphetamine in
Garland County.
But that changed with thechange in the state laws, you
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know.
So they made it much moredifficult to get your hands on
the Sudafed or the Sudafed andSudafedrin Yep, and they put a
lot of other stipulations onthat so you couldn't just walk
in the you know the market andbuy, you know, boxes and boxes
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of pseudofed, which is theprimary ingredient in it.
So um, with that, then thecartel saw an opening, you know.
So they start producing a lotof a lot of methamphetamine and
they start bringing it acrossthe border.
And of course now we've seenkind of a a down, that's kind of
falling down a little bit, andwe're seeing more fentanyl
coming into.
And then, that's true, I meanyou hear about it on the news
and stuff.
But yeah, I mean we see, we seefentanyl in hot springs, yeah,
and uh, we've seized, you know,quite a bit of it and I think
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we'll probably seize more in thefuture.
And then the reason being isbecause it's a very cheap drug
to make and they can make a lotof money off of it.
Right, and the cartels arealways about making money.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Yeah, so didn't Trump make it where those guys are?
Didn't he just pass a sign ofdeal about the drug I?
Speaker 2 (25:36):
think they're having a lot of trouble coming down
from Canada as well.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Oh no, kidding, yeah.
So maybe, I mean, maybe allthis will help.
You know the new president.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
I definitely feel like, as far as crime goes, I
feel like a lot of people are ina better state of mind.
You know there's moreopportunity.
I know it hasn't been long, butit feels like there's more
opportunity.
Yeah, you know, I don'tnecessarily know like any
numbers behind that, but I feellike you know like not taxing
overtime, not taxing, you know,social Security and stuff.
I mean it's like we're makinggood moves in the right
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direction to get people workingand busy.
I bet you it's going to helpcrime.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Get the country busy.
I bet you it's going to helpcrime go down.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
You know Well, if nothing else, I mean positive
attitudes.
If people have positiveattitudes, they're going to have
a more positive outlook on lifeand you know, they're probably
going to, in turn, probably makebetter decisions.
's what you know.
If that comes about through theTrump presidency, then, hey,
that's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
I mean, I've already seen the attitudes change.
I mean, the day he was elected,you know, I talked to some
dealers that night.
The sigh of relief they werelike, oh my God, it's going to
be so good, you know, justfeeling that you can wake up and
not have to worry about yoursafety.
I mean you always worry aboutyour safety.
I mean you always worry aboutyour safety.
But you know what I'm saying.
There's people fighting for theAmerican people and I think
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that's awesome.
It has to help crime, it has tohelp you and everybody.
I think it will.
It's not trying to divide thepeople either, like law
enforcement and racism and allthat crap we've seen these guys
use, for I don't know whatthey're trying to do.
It doesn't make no sense to me.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
No, just pushing all this fake stuff on the media,
making things seem way worsethan it is.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
So we talked about all this stuff here, but I also
heard you fish Lake Ouachita.
I do.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I live pretty close to Lake Ouachita, so you spend
some time out there.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
So you mostly bass fishing and crappie.
What do you fish for?
I fish both.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Really, I do bass and crappie.
Yeah, man, I probably spendmore time crappie fishing than
bass fishing, but I like to doboth.
What's your biggest largemouthout there?
Biggest one I've caught?
Lake Ouachita.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Probably Do they catch like a 10 pounder out
there.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
They have.
There's been some.
Yeah, there's been some 10s.
Come out of it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
And one of those tournaments I want to say last
year there was one where Digglecaught.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Wasn't the Elite last year?
I don't remember.
I think they caught a 10 outthere.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Do you have?
Do you run a live scope on yourboat?
I do.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Okay, that's a controversial subject.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
I was just filling the water up.
Hey, we have live scope.
Let me tell you somethingHonestly I enjoy the challenge
of finding big fish now.
Yeah, you know that's what Ienjoy about bass fishing now.
It's just hunting them down.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
What do they say If you're in scope and you're
hoping yeah, or you're hoping Ifyou're in scope and you're
hoping I ain't going to fishwith no one, I ain't going
Personally, I mean, would you,has LiveScope made you a better
fisherman, maybe a moreknowledgeable fisherman, because
you can actually see theresults that take place?
Speaker 1 (28:33):
No, there's no doubt.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
How many years did you fish without LiveScope?
Were you ever on a lower bottomof?
Speaker 2 (28:40):
the water column.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Since I was a kid, I fished without LiveScope until I
know, but oh as far as fishing,I mean, did you ever realize
how hard it was to get your baitdown there?
As far as fishing, I mean, didyou ever realize how hard it was
to get your bait down?
Speaker 2 (28:49):
there.
No, yeah, you don't realizethat.
You don't realize that youdon't realize how long it takes.
Yeah, it's like when you cansee it in real time, it's kind
of like okay yeah, yeah, you'llhave a bait on that you fished
your whole life and you're.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
You're like I need to have your weight.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
This is taking like two days to get down there.
You can also really figure outhow deep a crankbait runs on
certain lines, yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
You know for sure, you can run a littlest right
next to a weed line or a bassline.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
I would almost guarantee you.
It's taught us how to fish,really, yes, Just the
information you gather from whatyou're doing is beneficial,
like even if you took live scopeaway.
I'm not saying I would stillcatch fish, but I now have a
better understanding of how allmy gear and tackle work.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
I tell you what, though you take live scope away
from me, I'm like I don't knowabout this shit, because I done
went 400 yard, 4 000 yards, andsee one single fish.
You know what I mean?
Dead water, it's dude, it's,it's a whole new game.
We take last couple way.
I I lean on it a lot.
It's, it's a whole new game.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
We take lasco away I I lean on it a lot more for
crappie fishing than I do bassfishing.
Yeah, you know, I still feellike I think there's still a lot
of bass that'll hide from you,even with live scales.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Yeah, they get down there in the bottom.
Yeah, really well sitting onbottom.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
You really got to be paying attention, you know.
But with crappie I mean it's a,it's a game changer I be.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
you'll be 30 foot deep and you're like, there they
are, I'll be standing therestaring at a little spot.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
I'll be like, oh, there she is, she moved, I see
her, you know, and you throwthat thing, you know, because
she'll sit there and she'll stayin there until she flicks.
All of a sudden you'll you know, and especially bed fishing,
you know, and uh boy, it's fun,man Throw a Carolina rig in
there and you catch her, but um,yeah, I pulled crappie out of
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55 foot of water and watchedthem live scope the whole way.
It's amazing, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
It's amazing yeah, it's crazy.
And that kind of technology youknow like it's hard for me to
believe, like even your guyusing, you know, new gear, new
technology like you're talkingabout earlier, it's like imagine
what the government has youknow you guys got drones in the
police force.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
We do Thermal.
Yeah, which ones y'all got.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
We got thermal and FLIR, we run Skydio drones, we
got X2s and we just bought anX10.
Oh, thanks, man bought an X10.
Oh, I hate to make it up the.
X10,.
The X10 has a legit FLIR on it,like like good FLIR, and the
X2s they're thermals man.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
So Talking about talking about sweet yeah.
Talking about covering groundand finding life yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Yeah, it's kind of like drones.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Drones are going to big deal in law enforcement.
I see they already are.
How do y'all I mean what?
What do you see in the future?
Speaker 2 (31:33):
how you guys would use a drone.
We use drone a lot for we useit for a lot of different
situations.
But people that run from usobviously you know you get some
guy that runs off into a woodedarea or some area.
You know you can throw a droneup, you can put middle of the
night, put thermal on.
He's not going to be able tohide very well.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
No.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
We use them on Overwatch for tactical
operations.
So if we're going out to ahouse we'll have the drone out,
like just in advance of the teamgetting there doing Overwatch,
be able to see if anyone was,you know, try to run out the
back door, that kind of thing.
You can also just watch theteam.
I can set it to command post inour we have a bus that we use
for a command post and I manpost and watch it on TV.
Yeah, yeah, I've got my droneoperator outside, you know
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standing there.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Y'all have special training for drone.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Flying.
Yeah, they went to what'scalled the 107 training and
become drone pilots and you know, take the test and all that
stuff.
So, yeah, they did the fullMonty.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
See, I can see that being you know a huge resource
because it's like I, that beingyou know a huge resource because
it's like I didn't mean tochange the subject.
I know, but thermal drones aresweet, you know, like anybody
that's ever seen one in person.
It's just like you can findwhatever life is out there so
fast and efficient that it beatsyou know boots on the ground
running around looking for a guy.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
The new thing in law enforcement is drones as first
responders.
So the new thing that'shappening right now is that you
have actual landing pads for thedrones.
They're actually littlecapsules where the drone goes
inside of that.
I've seen them, I've seen those.
It sits there, you know, andthen when it sits where, though,
when you call, it could be ontop of the building, it could be
in the back lot, it can bewherever you want to put it.
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It keeps the from freezing.
You know it's got a warmerinside of it in case you're in
freezing temperatures.
And then you can pilot thatdrone from any computer that you
have connectivity with.
So you can literally sit in aroom inside of wherever and you
could have that drone fly outand go to the scene of a crime
before an officer even getsthere.
And you think about how muchfaster you can get there on a
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straight line as opposed totrying to navigate roadways.
Yeah, you know, so you can getthese drones out there in
advance.
We're not.
We haven't moved that far withour drone program yet, but
there's agencies and-.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I can see it, I can see it happening.
So how does that work, though?
Because, you know, like our,like our drones, you know, you
gotta, you gotta be within arange for it to work.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
So does those drones work off like connectivity
cellular?
Okay, that's how you're able tonavigate them from anywhere.
Yep, so as long as you can geta cell signal, you can navigate
it.
That's pretty crazy.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yeah, and that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
So you just have them stationed up ready, just spread
out amongst the the city yeah,there's some agencies in in
america now that they havemultiple places where they have
the drones pre-staged and andthey send them out on calls like
that yeah, I've seen that.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I've seen those.
I mean those little state, youknow, those stations, whatever.
That's pretty cool.
I thought I'd get one too,something with the drones.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
We're basically almost two robocop stage.
You know what I?
Mean I mean, how many years outyou think we are from.
You know, all of a sudden, somedude you know trying to steal a
car or something and jones likestarts talking to him.
You know trying to steal a caror something and Joan's like shh
starts talking to him.
You know like oh, they gotspeakers for them too.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Yeah, yeah, you can talk to them now.
We're already there.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
No, they got speakers for them.
We're already there.
You're not keeping up with thedrones?
Speaker 1 (34:38):
No, I'm not like you, apparently.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
They got speakers, they got ropes, you can pull
stuff with.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I mean, yeah, that's pretty cool, you can actually
get them to lock onto a car andfollow the car.
You can drop a GPS dot on a mapand send it out to there and
it'll go out there it's crazytechnology.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
It's crazy technology , but it also saves officers too
, because you get a drone up inthe air and you kind of know
what you're dealing with.
You know, so it could save alife.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
It can stay around corners.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
I like technology.
You know some people don't liketechnology.
I like technology.
I like Lyscope.
I think Lyscope's cool.
I mean, some people hate it theold school guys hate it but
that's just because they'rehaving a hard time learning it.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
It's not because Because it's not fun to learn.
You know it's aggravating,especially bass fishing Like
crappie.
You know they're all brushpiled up or you know they're all
together we're back on fishing.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
It's a little bit easier.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Just like that, we're back.
We're back on fishing, but bassfishing with it.
It took me like three months tolike get to where I could
actually catch a fish that Iseen on the screen.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
It's harder than what people think it is.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Oh for for sure.
I mean just because you canfind them.
Don't make the, they're allgoing to buy it.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
But damn boat control , like controlling your boat and
making a cast and watching thescreen and working your jig.
I mean that's a lot of shitgoing on.
It's a lot, it's a lot harderthan what people think.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
I just think it's a.
You know it's the evolution ofeverything.
You know technology has evolvedgreatly over the years.
From you know, we were drivingup here this morning talking
about you know we had teachersthat said, hey, you're not going
to.
You got to learn how to do realmath.
You're not going to have acalculator in your pocket.
Really, everybody does.
Not only do we have calculators, we got computers, yeah, you
(36:23):
know.
And now we got LiveScope.
It's just like when I startedfishing with my dad when I was a
little kid, you know we had abox flasher that was it that's
all we had was a flasher.
And I remember when my dadbought a paper graph.
I remember that and you know,the paper graph had the little,
uh thermal paper with the thehigh temp stylus.
That's how it would burn theimage on the paper yeah that was
super cool, like it was a cool,super cool technology back then
(36:43):
.
But it was a pain because youhad to change out the paper all
the time.
What that's crazy, but man, ithad great detail.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
I had a bag fun one time.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
So you know, it's just like everything else.
You see the evolution oftechnology and fishing, just
like you do in every otheraspect of society.
Yeah, it's all going crazy.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Even the reels and the rods, man.
Oh yeah, you could spend somemoney on some rod rod rails.
Super light and strong.
If you don't know what a $1,000rod and reel feels like, oh my
God.
Yeah, you know there's a hugedifference.
Sad, but it is unfortunately.
You know it's crazy, I meaneven what was that?
Speaker 1 (37:18):
that just came out.
They figured out how to make awhat was it?
Quantum chip computer chip.
What's up with that?
Have y'all seen heard of thequantum computer chip?
No, not, nobody's heard this,but me, no, not in a real is
like microsoft or somebody, Idon't know who.
I can't don't quote me on thisbecause I do not know.
But a quantum computer chip oh,people will eat you up on that
(37:41):
one.
No, look it up, I'm serious.
I've been seeing stuff about it, but I don't really know that
that clip's gonna go viral.
But I don't really know nothingabout it.
That clip's going to go viral,I'm just saying hey, he's going
to look it up.
He's fixing what we got what?
Speaker 3 (37:58):
we got Daniel.
He's still looking.
He don't even know what you'retalking about.
So what kind of fishing tackledo you use?
What's your favorite lure youthrow?
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Oh, now we're going to get bass or crappie Bass.
Man, I'm a big fan of acrankbait.
Oh yeah, you like to crank, Ido.
I'm a big fan of a crankbait,you know versatile bait.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
I throw it right down the middle of a brush ball too,
Really yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Absolutely, I'll be locking mine up, dude.
I'll be like, well, I was going.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
What's your favorite color?
Something in shad.
I fish clear water a lot, sosomething in a shad pattern.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Yeah, something natural that makes sense too.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
I mean other times of the year.
Maybe you know there's certaintimes of the year you want to
throw reds, and you know, withorange bellies and things like
that you want to imitate acrawfish more, maybe.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Or, depending on you know the area that you're
fishing or whatever.
Yeah, I mean I'm, but you know,day in and day out I'll, I'll
grab a shad pattern.
Oh yeah, down here down south,you know what we lean on.
A lot is like uh, like we'llthrow all the shaky heads, worms
we throw, uh crawls, a bunch ofstuff like that.
We're, for the most part we jigfish.
I would say Texas rig.
Probably the most is what Ithrow.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Finesse fishing.
We do a lot of sinkos and dropshots and stuff like that.
Of course we catch a lot offish up there and drop shots.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yeah, I mean, I do all that stuff too, but you know
, if you made me like just pickone, that I would probably throw
more than another one.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Man, you crank it all day.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
I'll crank it all day .
Yeah, oh my God, I have mytennis elbow.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Don't you have to write your number and stuff.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Just got to get the right gear ratio.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Yeah, I mean, what is the gear ratio for you?
What do you like?
Speaker 2 (39:44):
I'll throw a.
If I'm cranking, I'll throw a6-to-1.
Usually, oh, 6-to-1?
.
Yeah, what about, paul?
I'm not real picky.
You Something soft?
Yeah, I like something a littlebit softer.
Tip for throwing a crankbait oranything that's got, you know,
trebles on it.
Yeah, really yeah, but yeah,something a little stiffer, of
course, for throwing.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
I've seen some monster bass come out of grass
lines with a crankbait.
You know rail traps and stuff,you know, I've just seen them.
That is cool it is.
You ever see, you got a livescope down there.
You see that thing, wow, justcome popping out of the grass.
You get all nervous as shit beshaking.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Hey, all of a sudden your speed drew it in.
Then all of a sudden you got tochange everything.
The actual fish is coming.
That's the worst part.
The worst part for me.
When the fish is coming, it'slike all right, just act cool,
Act like you don't know.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
He's there, mickey Rigger, or something out there,
and I'm over there and here hecomes, he turns, he comes around
, and then I just fall apart.
Oh shit, oh shit, start doublebouncing.
You're like don't mess up,don't mess up, don't mess up,
slow down, slow down.
You'd be talking to yourself,you know.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
It's a shit show.
Then I look up, Then I I can'tfind the fish again.
I'm like nah.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Yeah, your boat's drifting over the fish.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
You're like no, no, no no, no, no, I'm directly over
the brush pile.
I'm like, great yeah, that'sthe part about it.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Then that's when he called me and was like hey,
what's wrong?
I just ran over my fish.
You know he's gone.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
I just can't keep my boat controlled.
You know, bass fishing in myscope is hard, but.
But what do you fish out of?
I've got a Triton.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
TR-19.
Oh nice, Thank you, Dan.
How fast does it?
Speaker 2 (41:23):
run About, I don't know, between 60, 65.
Yeah, 150 on my honor bags.
I'm an older, it's an Earl Benzboat.
Oh, yeah, yeah, thank you.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
I met a kid Back when they got into the aluminum
business.
Yeah, you know, because it wasin the aluminum business.
They came over to Express Boats, I think you know.
They tried to get them to buildtheir boats.
They said no.
So then he said, okay, I'mgoing to build my own boat.
Yeah, and it looks just like anexpress.
It's crazy, it's amazing howthat works.
Yeah, but yeah, it was a, itwas.
(41:59):
It was a good day.
What was my first boat?
I had a Ranger.
Oh man, you had a Ranger onetime.
My first fiberglass boat.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
And what'd you have after that?
You had one more.
What glass boat or aluminumboat.
You had a.
You had a, you had boat.
No, it's just a ranger.
Hmm, maybe, maybe.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
I thought maybe you got one, you were gonna do.
Well, we started building ourown boats.
Well, that's true, you know, westarted using our own boats,
you know.
But we still got glass boatstoo.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
We like glass boats, yeah, we like all boats it's
hard to beat a glass boat for,like, rough, rough water at big
lakes.
You know like getting set upand you know the wind not
blowing around, uh, handling therough water in an open lake.
You know it's hard to beat aglass boat for that For sure.
The weight of them, you knowit's just something to it the
way they're able to curve.
You know aluminum is allstraight lines just about.
(42:47):
You know so, like, if you can'trun a straight line there, you
can't technically bend it.
You know at least what we havehere.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Yeah it, it's tough building a boat.
It's tough building boats thatlook like a glass boat.
That glass boat stuff justlooks so good.
It's crazy.
It's got so much more benefitswhen you're fishing, like you
said, big waters.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Hey, fishing weather is here too.
Yeah, it is, it's here.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
We're about ready to go fishing.
You're going to have to quitworking and go fishing.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
I would have been fishing today, but you guys
wanted me to come here.
Quit working, go fishing.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
I would have been fishing today, but you guys
wanted me to come here.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
That's right, man.
Well, if you would have told usyou wanted to go fishing, we'd
have understood that.
We would have just done this onthe water.
We'd have thought, wow, wow,wow.
See, that's just lack ofcommunication.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
If he would have told us that we'd have done this on
the water.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Yeah, david would have called me, and Maybe we'll
do the next one like that.
I think we're going fishingtomorrow.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
So yeah, first time of the year, we're ready.
I still got so much to do in myboat.
Yeah, you got to put somegraphs on the stuff, but anyways
, man, that was awesome.
Do you regret being I mean, doyou ever regret going to law
enforcement?
No, I don't have any regrets atall.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
I do not.
If you're doing it all overagain, are you doing it the same
way you married?
Speaker 2 (43:58):
I'm married.
Yeah, Been married to the samewoman forever.
She ever Since before I was apolice officer.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
She always worried about.
You know, being married to anofficer.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Yeah, I mean I've had some.
You know I've had some of thoseassignments over the years that
were kind of crazy.
You know I did SWAT for aboutsix to almost 17 years.
You know I did SWAT for aboutsix, almost 17 years.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
It's probably kind of like military life.
You know it's tough, you know,especially when men go off to
war.
For an officer I think it wouldbe worse because they're always
in a war.
You know, just every moment,every day could be you know.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
You're gone on deployment for a year, you know,
or whatever, At least with lawenforcement you're coming home
every night.
I mean.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
I think it's worse.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
I mean I think it's worse for law enforcement.
Yeah, just every day notknowing.
Yeah, I mean, that's what Imeant.
I mean I think it's worse foronly you guys, because, in my
opinion, anyway, because youguys are always on the streets,
you're always out there, likefor you guys it's war every day.
You know, you never know whenit could turn.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
That's right, you never know Any traffic stop
could turn into something youknow horrendous.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Yeah, in a heartbeat.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Yeah, you know.
Yeah, and we've had it happentoo, you know.
I mean, any city is or any lawenforcement officer, period is,
you know, subject to thathappening at any moment?
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
You know, just the same way, like when you realize
that you wanted to be lawenforcement, you know, obviously
at that point something bad hadhappened to somebody else.
You know, in your position, Imean it's crazy, Any day could
be.
I mean you got to take them allone day at a time, huh.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
It has to be pretty tough on your old lady, though
your wife, you know.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Yeah, and like I said , I work some crazy schedules.
I mean we all do.
You know I can do this for verylong and I've done it for a
long time.
I've had some crazy schedulesand stuff throughout the—.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
She ever gets you, won't you quit?
She's like, just quit.
She's like can you be somebodynormal for once?
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Yeah, she's ready for me to retire anytime, I bet I
guarantee you.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
I bet definitely is.
I can see that.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Especially since you know you said, y'all been
together since before.
You know how long have you beenmarried?
Speaker 2 (46:05):
Oh, you would ask me, it would be 28 years and about
a month.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
You got to quit doing that.
We don't have to.
You got to quit doing that.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
He'd be putting everybody 28 In a month from now
28.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
28 years I've been married, 27, 28.
I'm right there with you.
We're married so damn long, itdoesn't even matter I mean
whatever, it's only like aquarter of a decade.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yeah, I mean a century.
Golly, I'm going to get roastedfor that too.
Every time it's me yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
You start to shit, man.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
I'm telling you, man but I know there's a quantum
chip.
I didn't make that up.
Google that, guys.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
Marriage is a good thing.
You know, I love my wife morenow than I did when I first met
her.
For sure, yeah, to put up withme for this long, that's what I
was gonna say.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
They put up with us all these years.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
I start, you know you get where you're in your, and I
just start feeling sorry forher.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
I'm sorry.
I'm trying to do better.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
It's been 27 years of this bullshit.
I get it, you know.
I mean.
Eventually he starts saying,okay, fuck, you're a good woman,
you know Law enforcement wivesput up with a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
I bet you know, oh, hey boat builder, wives, too,
getting called in at randomtimes.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
You know, and I mean we don't really know how they
feel on the other side you knowthey watch us walk out the door
in a uniform or whatever you'redoing that day.
You know, and you're going towork, and you know I don't
really know how she felt.
Speaker 3 (47:23):
She feels proud and scared all at the same time.
Yeah, I guarantee it, you know,I guarantee it she feels proud
and scared.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Women are stronger than we are Absolutely, and put
up way more than we'd be able toput up with.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
He wouldn't be many years without his old lady.
That's why he goes to workevery day.
That's true 100%.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
Well, billy, thanks for coming.
It was awesome learning aboutit and maybe next time we'll go
fishing.
Obviously, we had a gap in thecommunication chain.
Apparently, we do If we'd haveknown that you would have been
fishing and we're getting readyto be fishing we would have just
synced right up in the middleand we'd be doing this fishing.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
Yeah, yeah.
I don't know if we'd do apodcast fishing, but we would
have said, okay, let'sreschedule for a rainy day.
Way to go, david.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
A bad day Well that wraps this thing up, guys.
Thanks, this was good.
I hope you catch big fish thisyear.
If you do, please send them.
We'll do an update, definitely,stay safe out there.
Definitely Thank you and youknow I hope everybody wants to
say thanks to you know all thelaw enforcement and all these
cities and all these states.
You know, because it's a toughjob.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
And somebody's got to do it and tell all pull any
wrapped trucks over and have it.
Guys, let them go.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
Yeah, give them the green light and open 167 up
Y'all be chill when you drivethrough Hot Springs now.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
We're shaking bacon we're shaking bacon.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
You'll know for the rest of the season.
We'll have a bass boat behindus.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
You'll see us what's all the Couch Rocket guys do
they tap their helmet you?
Speaker 1 (48:54):
That's what we'll be doing.
You see that and you're like ohwait a minute, there's
something going on here.
That wraps it up.
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