THE SCIENCE BEHIND SETBACK | Ep071 | Off The Clock with B Scott - Off The Clock with B Scott

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's five o'clock and you're off to Cogglebee Scott
and today I got Daryl Moore,michael Shockley and Tim Scott
and what we're going to be doingis we're going to talk about
boat setup.
So we build 40 to 50 boatsevery week and, with that being
said, there's tons of boats andnew customers out there, you
know, every day.
So we're going to try our bestto educate everybody and get

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everybody informed on whatsetups are for what and how to
maneuver the different models,because there's a lot going on.
You know, in a month we mayhave 160 boats out there, so
constantly new customers, newkids getting into boats for the
first time.
There's tons of informationthat people don't know.
So we're gonna do our best.
You know this is our second one.
Because of the return ofinformation and all the people

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that called in last time, wesaid, hey, maybe we need to do
this more often.
So I think we're going to startmaking this.
A regular ordeal is us justtalking with the customers and
people call in and just helpingpeople?
You know, the best we can.
So we're going to get rightinto it, but before we do, make
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Don't forget to check out thegear shop.
Let's get in it.
Check out the gear shop, let'sget in it.

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We got a call coming in.
Let's go ahead and answer it.
Hey, what's going on?
You're on Off the Clock with BScott.
We got Tim Scott here, darylMoore and Michael Shockley, who
are?

Speaker 2 (01:18):
you and where are you calling from?
Hey, how's it going?
This is Brody Boswell.
I'm calling out of south sideof Indianapolis.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
I'm from Bargersville .
Awesome man, what you got.
What kind of boat you got.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
So I don't have a boat right now, but I'm looking
to get into it Alright, so theplan that I have going is so I
plan on getting a DBST 1860.
Okay, and putting a kickin'jack and put in a kicking jack.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
And then I was trying to decide whether I go with a
75 Tattoo or a 90 Yamaha.
Okay, and what are you planningto do with the boat?
Are you going?

Speaker 2 (01:56):
to hunt out of the fish out of it.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
What are you doing here?

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, so main thing is hunting, but also using the
summertime for just ripping upand down the river, going to the
lake with my buddies on it, uh,but main purpose will be duck
hunting with it I got you but uh, so plan to put a kicking jack
on it and do all the bells andwhistles that I want.
But main thing that I was asking, uh, or wanting to know, was,

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if I did put a tailor like thaton it, one, how fast would it
run?
And and two, how shallow ofwater could I get into?

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Well, you know, with the 1860, you're going to be
able to draft shallow becausewith a wider surface area boat
and it being 18 foot long, it'smore of a flatter sitting rig,
unless you were to put some kindof astronomical amount of
setback on it or something crazyWith the low horsepower.
Yeah, I, I mean.

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So you're gonna, you're gonnabe able to draft really well as
far as performance goes I mean,what have you seen, shockley?

Speaker 4 (02:53):
um, I haven't.
I ain't had too many run-inswith the 1860 dbst.
Uh, what's that?

Speaker 5 (02:58):
that boat's ready for 75 right, you know I actually
uh that actually fish out of1860 dbst.
It's called the till.
You know, I actually fished outof an 1860 DBS, it's called the
.
Teeler Cat Remember that, yeah,oh yeah, okay, so it was an 1860
.
And I had a 115 Pro XS on.
Of course, the boat don't ratefor it though, but you know
that's what I put on it.
It handled the 115.
It was awesome on the boat.
It was a Pro XS, I believe.

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I don't know.
I don't know where it was.
Yeah, it probably exists, Idon't know, I don't know.
But anyways, it was definitelya 115.
But the problem is that justhad tiller torque and the boat
sat really kind of deep in theback you know, because I was
fishing down in it.
so I wanted something that sat alittle more flatter and I
didn't really like the tillertorque.
So I went from that to a60-horse Mercury and the boat
sat a lot flatter and it waseasier to drive For me.

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I was wanting to fish out of it, so it was just a cowlack.
But you would need a littlemore setback.
You need a heavy setback.
You know we talked about thisearlier.
I think a lot of people getconfused on setback versus
weight of the setback.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
You would probably need a little bit of weight,
especially with a 60 horse.
You would need a heavy, heavyjack plate to counterbalance the
boat.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
But you're asking would you go with a 70
horsepower or 90?

Speaker 2 (04:17):
is that what you're asking, 75 or 90?
Well, biggest thing I wasasking is what you would
recommend um to go with the 75or a 90, and then, if I did go
with that bigger 90, would I beable to run it less shallow
water with it?

Speaker 4 (04:30):
you probably won't be able to tell much of a
difference as far as drivingbetween the two modes I wouldn't
think there'd even be anoticeable difference.

Speaker 5 (04:35):
The boat does it right for a 90.
So I mean we can't recommend.
I mean if you're gonna put a 90on that tiller in the boat.
You know the 90 shows awesomemotor.
It is For the power and theweight of the motor and what you
can do for that motor.
It's truly badass.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
It is.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
It's an animal.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
And then do you guys have a guess about how fast it
runs?
Wasn't my Marsh Runner?

Speaker 5 (05:01):
1860?
Are you going to run mid-50s?

Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah, I would think so.
Are you you gonna run mid 50s?
Yeah, I would think you'regonna run my 50s.

Speaker 5 (05:05):
There's actually a guy it would at least be 50
there's actually a guy on theinternet right now.
His name is bubba and he'srunning an 1860 with a 90 show
and he just sent me a tiktokvideo of him hitting 60 with a
24 laser 2 prop yeah, it's gonnaall come down to setup to get
your max speed out of it forsure you Do.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
you remember how much setback that guy had?

Speaker 5 (05:26):
He's running an 8-inch Magnum jack plate.
He's running an 8-inch jackplate, really yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
So you're saying, with the right prop and stuff,
you can get up there.
He's running a 24-pitch prop.
Right you can get up there to60, but you're probably going to
see, with your standard stuffprobably low to mid-50s.

Speaker 5 (05:43):
Well, he just sent me a TikTok video of him running
60.
He finally hit 60 with it, andhe's also going to run a turbo
prop.
He's going to try a 24-pitchturbo prop and he feels like
he's going to be a little bitover 60.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
Cool With a 90 show.
Yeah, that's rolling.
Yeah, that is rolling.

Speaker 5 (06:01):
That's an 1860 DBS T2 .

Speaker 4 (06:02):
That's also an 8 degree hole.
Yeah, I was fixing to say it'snot going to float the nose,
it's going to run out, but hejust sent me a video.

Speaker 5 (06:08):
Matter of fact, he just sent me a text message, so
it's awesome.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Absolutely, absolutely Any other questions
about the 1860s or what motoryou and I was put on there.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
So is 2025 the first year they're going to start
being foam filled?

Speaker 5 (06:25):
uh, yes, sir, they always had basic flotation but
now they're more.
It's more of advanced foam it'syeah, yeah, it's, it's blown
foam.
It's uh, you still got yourstorage boxes in the back.
It's less storage, uh, but theyare they.
They are filled with foam inthe rear, in the front as well,
but but but I don't think that'sa bad thing either no, I don't

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think it's a bad thing um theboat.
The boat is solid, it feelssolid um it sounds solid.
I really don't think foam is abad deal no, I don't either
especially I don't either no,yeah, no, it's not a bad deal
and you still have the story.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
a lot of a misconception is they think that
because they're foam now youlose storage.
That's not the case.
You know, we still got thoseC-option rear deck where you
know they have pans in them now,where they have kind of boxes,
so they're a little bitshallower, but you still got
some storage in the back.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
I was going to say you lose a little bit.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
But you still got got storage?
Yeah, it ain't too bad no, it's, it's, it's still doable for
sure.
No, yeah, it ain't making thatmuch of a difference, but uh all
right, well, I think that's allI got.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
I appreciate you guys and I love the show so oh man,
I appreciate it all right, dude.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, you have a good one man yeah, y'all as well.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
All right, you don't get too many calls with the
1860s.
1860?
, dude?
I'm telling you 1860.
That's a waterway.
To start the show, I'm tellingyou 1860 is a.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
I eat some fish out of 1860.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
It's an absolute Cadillac.

Speaker 5 (07:54):
I love it man.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
All right, here we got another call coming in.
Where does this go?
I got Tim Scott, daryl Mooreand Michael Schalke with me.
Who are you and where are youcalling from?

Speaker 4 (08:07):
Tanner Hoven from Grove Hill Alabama.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Awesome man, you got a Havoc.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
Yeah, I got a 1656 MSTC with a gator tail and it
runs good.
I'm trying to get a little bitmore out of it.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
I've ran a beat-up CO57 and then a boat DR prop and
.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
I just got one of the Merck Rapid 3-blades and I just
want to wish I could get alittle bit more out of it
without getting it built.

Speaker 5 (08:41):
Well, it just depends on how the boat's running.
I mean it's a boat running.
I mean it's hard to really do aperformance on mud motors.
I mean, daryl, you might canget it on on this.
I mean, I know you run mudmotors all the time, but uh, for
the boat part of it.
Um, that boat really runs flat.
It's it's really designed tostay on top of the surface as

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much as possible.
The way to get a boat to reallypick up speed is to lift the
boat.
It's going to take a reallygood prop to do that.
Of course that's what you'reexperimenting with.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
You probably know, I've ran built motors and turbo
motors and it's hard to get anylift with a mud motor.

Speaker 5 (09:27):
It's almost like it's pushing.
I mean, the prop is at thesurface so it's it's hard to get
any lift it's almost like it'spushing I mean the prop is at
the surface so it's pushing theboat.
Yeah, you know, it's not likeit's an outboard motor.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah, it's not gripping and leveraging the hole
up anyway, it's kind of justskimming the top.
But as far as what?

Speaker 4 (09:36):
you're asking about props.
When I when I experienced withmy mud motor, I loved the
mercury three blade so.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
So last year I ran that 656 with a gtr 40 and I was
over here looking up whatprofit was I got, but I put a
marine power two blade on thereand it picked up a little bit of
speed, so I definitely checkedthat out so props that I have
ran it with like most.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
Most people are getting, like, I think, around
30 miles per hour.
The most I've hit with allthose props is 26.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah, 26.
And how?
I mean, how do you feel likethe boat's running, like, do you
feel like you're dragging, orIs it?

Speaker 3 (10:16):
like the nose of it's going down in the water, Like
how does it feel when you trimout with it?
No, I mean it runs good.
What RVMs are you turning like?
What's it when you look back atthe, the gauge on the mud motor
?
What's it saying?

Speaker 4 (10:29):
like running it like yeah, yeah when it's full
throttle I have it a little.
Can you bang it?
Can you bang it out on the revlimiter?
Yeah, that's what I always do.
I always banged it out and thenbump the trim all the way up to
like, where it blows out almosteven push down one trim button.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
That's what you do yeah, just one or not.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
I would okay.
So I'll give you a couplethings to look at, because when
I, when I first got, uh, mine,one of mine I said we set up it
was not hitting the full speedlike that, and, um, what it was
was that it wasn't getting fullthrottle.
So I had to go back and get it,uh, and get it adjusted, um,
from a gator tail dealer,because the motor wasn't hitting
full throttle.
So then that's why I was sayingwhat RPMs are you getting?

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Because you may not be gettingall your RPMs.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah, that could be the case.
If he's banging out, he is.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, yeah, more likely, but I would look at the
RPMs because he could bang outwithout looking if he trims up
before, if he doesn't know.

Speaker 4 (11:16):
Yeah, that is true.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
That, yeah, I definitely would put it in the
water and look at the rpms areand?
Um, it'll be gauge props too,yeah, and it'll help you gauge
props.
But I definitely check out thatthe prop I told you because,
like that helped me out, becauseI mean mine was running.

Speaker 5 (11:32):
Last year I was running 33, yeah with you know,
yeah, which is pretty standard,and also, too, something to look
at too on the boat side of it,because it takes both parts, you
know know, the boat and themotor.
From the factory the boat comeswith a little extended weld all
across the transom.
You could clean that weld upjust a little bit.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
But be careful, but be careful, don't overdo it.

Speaker 5 (11:57):
The boat is designed to run flat because you want the
boat on top of the water andnot necessarily digging the
transom in the water, becauseyou want the boat on top of the
water and not necessarilydigging the transom in the water
, so you can look at the boatand clean the well up just a
little bit across the wholebottom of the boat.
Mscc is the only boat we go allthe way across the bottom and
we do that because we want thestern up in the air.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
And what we mean by be careful is don't take it all
the way off.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Do it a little bit and then run it yeah do it a
little bit all the way off.
Yes, do it a little bit andthen run it.
Yes, yeah, yeah, because you dotoo much.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
The one of those deals where you do it at the
boat ramp.

Speaker 5 (12:26):
Yeah, little adjustments make a big
difference For an example, ifyou had a really, really, really
hot mud motor on there andthese turbos, and it was a
really hot, hot motor and youhad left, the further you drive
the bow in the water.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
That's right.
Does that make sense?
100% correct.

Speaker 5 (12:44):
So you need to look at the boat as well, because
from the factory they're setwhere it's just normal, normal
use.
You start putting performanceprop, performance parts on your
motors, you put more power tothe prop and it could drive a
bow down, causing you toover-trim the, and it just, you

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just lose its power yeah, youjust lose its speed, so it could
be a boat issue yeah, Idefinitely feel the bottom is
your rpms.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
I mean, it's not what's worth a tail is your
motor mounted all the way downon the transom?

Speaker 2 (13:17):
yeah, it is yeah, some people mount them up a
little bit and some people movethem one inch too.

Speaker 5 (13:22):
And they move one inch to what?
To the left?

Speaker 4 (13:24):
to the passenger side .
That is my signature move.
There's one inch to the right.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Three quarters of an inch, and you know what that
does is the tiller torque that'sright, take the tiller torque
out of you and it allows you to,you know, adjust everything
yeah, but the first thing I'dprobably check uh yeah, the
number one first thing I'd checkwould be the the welds on the
bottom yeah, yeah, I woulddefinitely check there and if
you feel like they're, you knowthere's a little, there's,
there's a lot there, you can trytaking it off, like you said,

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you know, all the way across thebottom, just a little bit at a
time, and uh, yeah, I mean thatwill make a difference yeah,
because if it picks your boat up, if it, I mean I mean if it
picks your bow up one inch, yourhole's drying out yeah you're
getting air under it and you'rewhen your hole dries out.

Speaker 5 (14:06):
You're gonna pick up speed, yeah, but you gotta be
really careful is it.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Are you running 26 with just you in there, nothing
else in the boat?

Speaker 4 (14:12):
yeah, just me, yeah, you it should be running faster
now.

Speaker 5 (14:16):
Should be right at 30 easily definitely check your
throttle, like he said but hesaid his prop was beat up too.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
Yeah, that.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Yeah, that makes a big difference.
Yeah, and a mud motor yeah, amud motor prop.
Yeah, a mud motor prop isfinicky, I'm telling you, but
that marine power prop it makes.
I mean, every time I get one,that's the first thing I put on
there.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
I usually tell people to find a buddy.
That's got some and just trythem.

Speaker 5 (14:47):
Like I always ran a work prop.
Even on my stock motor I ran awork prop, yeah, yeah.
So check your throttle, checkyour bob and welding your boat
mstc um, and also check yourprop.
Make sure it's not too thatsand tears them up quick yeah,
it takes the diameter off.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
When you take diameter off the prop, it's
taking all your gains.
It's not like an outboard prop.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
No, well, yeah, anyway.
Well, let us know, you know,after you check all this stuff.
Definitely keep up with.
Let us know because I'm curiousabout it for sure in the future
what you find.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
All righty, I'll keep in touch with you.
Thank you all so much.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yes, sir, thanks for calling.
Have a good one, all right.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
See you, bye.

Speaker 5 (15:27):
You know that's a double-edged sword, I think a
lot of people don't understandthe wear and tear on props.
Yeah, like a mud motor propwill take wear and tear like
crazy, oh yeah yeah, I mean oneday in the woods, in the wrong
environment, will tear a prop upyes, sand, sand is terrible and
once that, once that props areskiing a little sharp points and

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it's terrible looking, but onceit's done, it's done oh yeah,
you gotta buy a new prop.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
I need to.
Oh yeah, because once you takediameter off of them, yeah, I
mean, that's all.
You're only using half thatprop.
Yeah, half that props out ofthe water yeah, right.

Speaker 5 (16:02):
Yeah, that's right.
So it's a big deal and I thinka lot of people don't understand
how important a prop is to amud motor.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
I need to find my props.
When we went to Oklahoma threeyears ago and one week I went
through four props.
Up there on that river you hita sandbar, you keep trying to
get out of it and every day Iwas having to change props.

Speaker 5 (16:18):
You know it affects you.
You wasn't going fast enough.
It definitely affects you.
I was going fast enough.
It definitely affects yourperformance.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
I was going fast enough that every time you stop,
you just fly to the front ofthe boat you get to the same
part.

Speaker 5 (16:27):
You just fly to the front of the boat.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
I wish he'd be out pushing.
It takes four people to push.

Speaker 5 (16:31):
I wish I would have told that guy to adjust his boat
after he got a new prop.
Yeah, oh my.

Speaker 4 (16:38):
God.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Yeah because you can't really do much to your
setup until you have a goodstart You've got to have a
starting spot, and that goes forevery kind of bow.
You need a good starting pointbefore you can start messing
around with stuff.
Yeah like trim.
Yeah, if you've got things thataren't working on your rig
already, let's fix those firstbefore you start trying to set

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them up, just have a solid base.

Speaker 5 (17:02):
Yeah, so this guy in 1860 DBSD.
For everybody watching thepodcast he's running a 24 pitch
on a Revlimber of 58 miles anhour in 1860.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
DBSD.
Yeah, that's pretty good,that's pretty solid, that's
pretty legit.

Speaker 5 (17:18):
Yeah, has a rod box on the left side.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
I mean, it's a heavy, she's heavy, he's lifting, good
he loves his boat got a gastank in there too yeah, we have
the gas tank.

Speaker 5 (17:28):
I see a gas tank in his picture.
Uh, he's got to send mepictures all the time, videos
all the time.
But uh, and we, you know welearn from these, you know, we
know we learn from situationslike this.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
But, um, yeah, he's, he's running out pretty good,
for sure anyways, we got a guythat called a minute ago that uh
, while we were on the phone, wecan uh go ahead and call him
back like cope people.
Yeah, let's go ahead and uh goahead and give it a try.
Let me get it going.
Hello, hey, what's going on?

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Sorry, we missed your call.
You're on off the clock with bscott and we got daryl moore,
michael shockley and tim scottwith me.
Um, who are you and where areyou calling from?
Um, chris, and I'm callingAwesome, what kind of boat you
got.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
I got a VJ 1653.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
1653.
Vj.
What motor's on there?

Speaker 4 (18:33):
50 Mercury Four-stroke.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
Yes, sir, 50 Mercury.
Any setback on that boat?

Speaker 4 (18:42):
I got 10-inch action jack on it.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Oh, I like it 10-, 10 inch, perfect what?

Speaker 4 (18:52):
how's it running?
Uh, it's running fairly gooduntil I start trimming on it
what kind of issues you having.
Uh, it's just bouncing evenwith 10 inches?

Speaker 1 (19:02):
is it a?
Is it like a fast hop, slow hop?
What kind of hop is?

Speaker 4 (19:06):
it's, I guess, about medium, more or less.
As soon as I bump that trim, itgoes to bouncing.
Are you raising your motor upany?
Uh, it's on three on my deckplate.

Speaker 5 (19:19):
Well, that's where I found best rides all right, so
so the rule of is the rule ofthumb on jack plates.
So it sounds like you've got tocounterweight back, but you
also might have too muchcounterweight back on the VJ.
How heavy are you?
I mean, what do you weigh?
I'm 220.
220.

Speaker 4 (19:38):
All right, so that's about what I weigh.

Speaker 5 (19:40):
All right.
So you're going to have to goup on your jack plate for sure,
but the rule of thumb is forevery inch you go back, quarter
inch up, that's right, okay.
So that's a rule of thumb andthen, once you do that, you need
to go, you need to pick a propthat fits that application.
So even if you go up with yourjack plate for every inch you go

(20:03):
back, you might be running thewrong prop.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
You need to hold more water in your prop, okay, and I
would say, next time you'rerunning it you need to jack it
all the way up until it blowsout and jack it down about a
quarter.
Go in quarter-inch increments.

Speaker 5 (20:21):
And also, too a lot of people don't understand this
too that a four-stroke the trimrate is slower than a two stroke
.
Sometimes you just can't get ona four stroke and just hold the
trim button.
Yeah, you gotta let that motorcatch up.
Yeah, that's where your poweris.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
You can hold it wide open and you just your gains in
your trim.

Speaker 5 (20:40):
Yeah, there's a lot of times where you can get in
the boat, especially in a vj,because it is a lighter boat up
front.
Um you run it, you bump run itbump, run it bump run it bump.
It's not like run bump, bump,bump, bump, bump, bump, bump,
bump, bump you gotta let thatboat catch up, you gotta, you
gotta, let that boat getbalanced.

(21:01):
You gotta build the rpms up.
You gotta build the rpms up,exactly right.
So, uh, the the four stroke isa slower, especially with that
much setback.

Speaker 4 (21:09):
Did we ask him if he has anything in the front?

Speaker 5 (21:11):
No.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
Do you have anything in the front of that boat?
No, sir, well, trolling motor,that's about it, but I don't.
My battery is in the back.

Speaker 5 (21:22):
What kind of trawl motor you got in front Rip Tad's
, I mean Cody.
Yeah, yeah, that's a good trawlmotor.
That's a good trawl motor.
Well you did the right thingwith 10 inches setback on that
particular boat.
I believe you're 100% right.
It don't sound like the balancepoint.
The balance point is probablysitting under your butt
somewhere on the boat.
I imagine your tongue weight isfairly light.

(21:49):
Um, I would say you probablyhave about 80 pounds on your
tongue, probably maybe justguessing, I don't know.
I didn't wait, I mean I haven't.
I mean I don't know for sure,but you could check your tongue
weight, see what your tongueweight is.
Um, what trailer is your boatsitting on?
um mcclain or mccain, okay.
So I don't know where thetracks I mean, I really don't
know where the axle placement ison that.
I know our trailer axles arearound 42 inches um, all of our

(22:12):
trailers around 42 inchesbecause it kind of gives us an
idea how to balance the boatbefore they leave the factory.
But uh, with our boat, uh, wewant about 70 80 pounds on the
nose.
I don't know where you're atwith that, uh, but the balance
point of the boat is very, veryimportant and we just talked
about this earlier.
70, 80 pounds on the nose, Idon't know where you're at with
that, but the balance point ofyour boat is very, very
important and we just talkedabout this earlier.
It's not necessarily the inchesyou go back but the weight

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behind the transom.
So you want to get your boatbalanced.
Normally, when a boat runs onthe plug loaded down, she'll sit
similar to that in the waterempty.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
Yeah, okay, okay.

Speaker 5 (22:45):
Okay.
So if your boat is just sittingthere empty and she's pointing
up in the air at a 22 degreeangle, that's kind of how she's
going to run.
It kind of gives you an ideahow she's going to run and what
you've got to do next is justfind the right prop.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
Okay, that was going to be my next question.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
What prop do y'all?

Speaker 4 (23:05):
recommend.
I just gotta stop what come onthe murder.

Speaker 5 (23:11):
So that might be the first thing you start with well,
I mean, I mean he definitely, Imean I'm, I'm really surprised
he has a setback.
He has on it.
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
No, he, you know, just listening to what you have
yes up to this point with thesetup, motor and size boat.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
I mean, everything's looking good.
What prop are you running now?
It's a stock.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
It says stock prop.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
Stock aluminum prop.
No, sir, it's stainless.

Speaker 5 (23:35):
No, I don't think Mercury.
Mercury don't come with a stockprop.
Somebody put that prop on there.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
Yeah, somebody put that on there I mean, I don't
know what it is.
I.
I mean, I don't know what it is.

Speaker 5 (23:44):
I just bought this boat from Quentin at ReShorts.
Well, he's the man.
I think he's the man I don'tknow.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
Sometimes I wonder.
He's actually the one that theyrecommended.
To set back on it, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
He's not that well-known, that's the reason it
came so good.
That's the reason why I meanexactly.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
I mean Quentin's, the man I'm going to say it needs
to be a 15 pitch, because that'swhat I found runs best on
Whitney's Hers is a 60.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so you're probably right.
So a 15?
Yes, absolutely.

Speaker 4 (24:12):
I would run a 15.
Okay, yeah, all right, fellas,I appreciate you.
Yes sir, yes sir.

Speaker 5 (24:19):
Yeah, you need to prop the hose of water on there
and reach back out to Quentinand tell him what you're
experiencing and he definitelysets you in the right direction.
For sure, for sure.
There's not very many phonecalls we get.
That's even start like you havewhich is awesome you got a
great starting point.
For sure, most of the timepeople's going to call us and
they're going to say I gotadvanced kicking jack, or I got

(24:39):
six inches on there, or Bob sixinch.
You know, it's just a lot ofcases.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
That's just a lot of cases.
That's just not enough setback.
All right, well, I'll try thatwith a prop and we'll go from
there.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
I appreciate y'all giving me a call back yes, sir,
yes sir, you have a good day youtoo.
All right, bye so that's.

Speaker 5 (25:00):
that's good that that he started with us 10-inch.
Yeah, you know his balancepoint is way back.
You know he's weighing 220pounds, so you know it's way
back there.
So his problem is he's just nothigh enough with the right prop
.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (25:16):
You know, that's all.
His problem is he just don'thave the right prop.
Yeah, Because you've got tothink, man, You've got all that
setback back there and you gotto get the prop holds the water
and keeps that boat balanced,and that's the key.
That is the key.
Everything has to work inharmony.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Yeah and Quentin is definitely a good place to start
for sure.
Yeah, he got me in the rightdirection.

Speaker 5 (25:37):
If there's anyone, in South America, I mean South
United States, to go toQuentin's the man.
Yeah man, Quentin weighs what.
500?
, 500?
.
Hey, I ain't never seen a 550run as good With that much

(25:57):
weight.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
He would come out of the hole and I'm talking about.
He'd be running like this thewhole way down the track.

Speaker 4 (26:01):
You're talking about which boat?

Speaker 5 (26:02):
I'm talking about back in the day when you used to
run on the edge.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
That was a 547, wasn't it?

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Dude, I don't know what it was, whatever they
called it.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
He was over the capacity.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Oh well.

Speaker 5 (26:11):
Quinn said, boy, I'm fast.
I said, yeah, you'd be a lotfaster if you wasn't dragging
the right side of your boat inthe water.
You and he never really noticedthat until we actually sent him
a video.
I was like dude, I mean, yeah,you're fast, but you're running
fast on the track crookedbecause you're so big.
It was fast he could run it,but you know what was crazy

(26:32):
about Quentin, though, is hemade the boat run as much as he
weighs, I was like dude to me.
that was amazing.
Oh yeah, you know.
I said you're going to kill itin a 553.
And he was actually.

(26:52):
He was actually bigger thanthen.
I think, yeah, yeah, he was thesize of a volkswagen.
Yeah, I think a lot, I think alot of people don't understand
that a big boat isn't slow.
No, big boat isn't slow, youknow.
And and if you weigh a lot andyou carry a lot of gear, I mean
you need a bigger boatabsolutely without a doubt.
I mean the purpose for for itit's not slow man.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Anyways, let's get what we've got a call from.
Oh, speaking of the devil,guess who it is?

Speaker 4 (27:10):
His ears was burning.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
His ears were burning .
It's Quentin.
What's going on, Quentin?

Speaker 4 (27:20):
Hey Bo, hey man, You're on here.

Speaker 5 (27:23):
Yeah, y'all it's hotter than the sun of a gun
down here.
Oh yeah, I bet it is.
We just got done talking to oneof your customers, quentin yeah
, like you're gonna want to seethis one.
Yeah, he, uh, he's gonna callyou, but you put it.
You saw him with vj, with a 10inch bobs on there.
It's running good, but I feltlike he's trimming it up.

(27:46):
He's trimming it up, trimmingit up, and you gotta hop to it.
I told him to give you a holler,but said he had a stock prop
but, yeah, I don't know whatstock prop means in the mercury
terms but I mean, you set him upreally great though.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
I mean it was a 653 vjst with a 10 inch action.
Uh bobs on it and it's 50 merc.
Uh, I don't know.
He didn't know what prop he had, but I mean, to me his setup
seems right you know what areyou doing down there, quentin uh
, I am currently installing asea face and a boat.

Speaker 4 (28:19):
You know we got about uh 64 boats on the line for
service.

Speaker 5 (28:24):
That's good You're staying busy down there Staying
busy.
I was just so glad thatsomebody called and said I got a
10-inch jack plate on my VJ andit came from Quentin.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Somebody listened.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
Oh that's badass.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Did he say?
He just?

Speaker 5 (28:46):
bought it.
Yeah, he just got it.
Yeah, he said he just bought it.
I just got it.
Yeah, he said he just bought it.
I don't think he's had on watera few times, I just think he
needs some setups his name chris.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
Yeah, it was yeah, he literally just got it yeah,
yeah, he picked it up fridayyeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
salary run, that's good yeah.
So the biggest thing you youknow that I've realized a lot of
people don't understand theMercury's.
You know they kind of like havea limit in them until they hit
a certain amount of hours andthen it's kind of like a safety

(29:16):
fail.
You know what I'm saying?
That Guardian, whatever.

Speaker 5 (29:19):
It's 20 hours, isn't?

Speaker 4 (29:20):
it Guardian mode?

Speaker 5 (29:21):
yeah, I think Quentin told me 20 hours yeah, he did
tell us how long he's was in it.
Guardian mode yeah, I thinkQuentin told me $20.
Yeah, he didn't tell us howlong he's tapped about it.
He just said he's a customer.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
Yeah, well, there's no way, he's got 20 hours on it.

Speaker 5 (29:30):
I forgot all about that.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
I'm glad you reminded me on that.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
Yeah, that makes a difference.

Speaker 5 (29:34):
Yeah, just a good.
I always tell everybody.

Speaker 4 (29:38):
I always tell people like hey, look, this motor's
going to feel a little weak.
You need to get 20 hours on itand then it'll start to.
You know, give you some up.
You know, just kind of ageneral idea.
I sold one to a buddy of mineand he said after 20 hours he
picked up six or seven mile anhour.

(29:59):
I don't remember exactly.
That's a lot.
Hey, loose as fast.
You know that's like Changingnothing.
I'm finna.
Put Whitney's in the pondtonight.
Let it idle all night.
Hey loose is fast.

Speaker 5 (30:13):
You know, when B-Sky was starting to beat everybody
At the boat races, we alwaysknew his motor was about to pop.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
You can always tell when it gets nice and loose.
He just ran a.

Speaker 5 (30:23):
Nine, nine old shit.
It was about to pop.
You can always tell when itgets nice and loose.
He just ran a 9-9 and all thatshit is about to pop.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
Yeah, man, I just made a big old mess.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
I don't doubt it one bit, dude, you sound like you're
busy man.
What?

Speaker 4 (30:38):
in your pants, was it ?
No, I just got a.
I'm draining bad gas out of afuel tank too.
I hear you, man so we're y'ally'all on podcast, or what?

Speaker 5 (30:49):
yeah, yeah, we're on the podcast right now.
You're on the podcast.
I've been seeing all yourtiktok videos.
Man, you've been killing it,you have been working.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
I can tell you I used whenever.
I first started doing that.
So the reason what made mestart doing that was I had a
customer.
I sold him a db, uh I don'tknow, like right before hunting
season last year, and then oneday he comes across my tiktok
and, you know, he had a fewhundred followers, 500 followers

(31:18):
, something like that.
Then a few days later he cameacross my tikt again and he had
like 5,000 followers and I waslike damn, what the hell.
And then a couple days later Iwent to his TikTok and he had
like 20,000 followers.
So I called him and I was likedude, what the hell are you
doing?
Like how are you getting allthese TikTok followers?
And he told me he said, man,you just got to be consistent on

(31:41):
your posting.
He said you really need to postthree times a day.
Yeah, he said.
But you really, he said, butyou have to post once a day.
So whenever and that was aboutthe time whenever we got the
first freedom and so I startedposting about the freedom and
people start chiming in andbasically, like every time
somebody comments, according towhat he's telling me, is like he

(32:02):
kind of throws it on to whoevercomments, therefore you page
and it's just like a is like hekind of throws it on to whoever
comments their For you page andit's just like a snowball effect
and next thing you know I meanI've had people reach out to me
about those things from overseasand stuff, like they're
messaging me on.
Tiktok I don't even know their.
Like.
I can't even respond because Idon't know their language.

Speaker 5 (32:24):
Yeah, we had a guy contact me uh last night from
switzerland switzerland.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
I need some havocs man, and you find out a way to
get one.
Get some of them over there.
I think that's a big marketover there, switzerland oh yeah,
you know it is, it's gotta be.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
it's gonna take a big havoc to get a big havoc to get
them over there A big havoc toship them over there.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Yeah, I don't know about that now, that's a big
endeavor right there, butanyways, man, we got people
calling in dude.
It was good talking to you,quentin, always dude.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
Yeah, hey look, while y'all in there soaking up that
air condition, just think aboutmy big fat ass I'm down here
pouring in sweat.

Speaker 5 (33:00):
Hey, I'm sorry I missed out on the bow fishing
hunt a couple weeks ago with youman, I was really wanting to
hang out with you.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
That's all right, I'll get up there sometime soon.

Speaker 5 (33:12):
We'll hang out a weekend or something.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
We'll see you in bow season man.

Speaker 4 (33:17):
He needs to come deer hunting with us man.
Yeah well, you know, it's just,sometimes it's possible
sometimes it ain't.

Speaker 5 (33:24):
I get you.

Speaker 4 (33:25):
I get you could take care of the customers that's
right, man well well hey, y'allbe good, I'm gonna run all right
man, we'll holler at you suckit easy oh, queen, suck it easy.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
I never really said that before, that's pretty cool
suck it easy.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
He's been saying that for a couple weeks now I've
been saying it for years.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
Most of the time you say, all right, suck it either.

Speaker 5 (33:46):
Okay, man, see you lateruck it easy he's been
saying that for about a coupleweeks now, I've been saying it
for years.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
Most of the time you say, all right, suck it easy.
Okay, man, see you later, suckit easy.

Speaker 5 (33:54):
I just want to tell B Scott's mama suck it easy, oh
my.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
God.
She can say probably not,probably not.
She can say probably not.
I got a call we missed.
Let's see if we can get themback on the phone.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
I'm getting a tattoo.
I'm going to start to sleep.

Speaker 5 (34:04):
Are you?
Yeah, that's what I'm talkingabout.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
We will call this guy I'm going to start to sleep.

Speaker 4 (34:10):
Boy Hayley's going to whoop you.
Boy Hayley ain't going to gofor that is she.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
Yes, she is.
She has tattoos.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Does she?
I'm Michael Shockley and DarylMoore with me.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
I'm Andy Skipper and I'm calling from Myrtle Beach,
South Carolina.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Myrtle Beach.
What you got going on man, whatkind of boat you got.

Speaker 4 (34:31):
Man, I got a 2045 DBST.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
DBST.

Speaker 4 (34:37):
Yeah, with a 60 Mercury.
Okay, full stroke on the back,okay.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
What size is it?
What size is it, what sizeDBS-T you got?

Speaker 4 (34:43):
16, 656.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
656, all right.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
That's an 8-degree R.
Yes, sir, and that thingbounces like nobody's business.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Oh yeah, what's your setup.
What kind of jack plates yougot.

Speaker 4 (34:56):
I got a Bob's kicking jack, all right, and I had a
friend of mine tell me to tryanother 4-inch offset with it.
So I put another 4-inch like ateenager's offset on the back.
It helped it some, but it still, man, if you touch the trim
very much, it's bounce.

Speaker 5 (35:13):
All right, b Scott, you got this.
You want me to take this,because this is right around.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Yeah, this goes back to what we were talking about
earlier.
You know before you called.
So we're discussing the weightversus setback in general.

Speaker 5 (35:26):
And the balance point of your boat.
This is really, really, reallyimportant, especially on an
8-degree hull.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Okay, so it's not only the inches of leverage, but
it's also the weight that it is.

Speaker 5 (35:37):
And there's a reason why it bounces because you
over-trim, you know, if you wantto get the nose up in the air.
So let's everybody know thatyou don't have to trim the motor
until she bounces.
She bounces because it'strimming, trimming, trimming,
trimming.
There is a point where the boatdoesn't bounce and the boat is
riding on the water right.
So let's everybody, you know,we want to make sure everybody

(36:01):
knows that the trim unit on yourmotor is there for a reason.
You can run the motor flat, theboat flat, you can trim it up
to get the bow up, to get morespeed, but if the boat isn't set
up, the trim to the maximum,that's where you get the balance
.
And the balancing is not asituation where, uh, it's a bad

(36:21):
bow, bad setup, bad motor, badmotor, bad prop situation.
It's just an out-of-balancesituation.

Speaker 4 (36:26):
Yeah, it's falling on its face.

Speaker 5 (36:28):
And I always tell people.
It's like this man you go outthere and buy a $6,000 set of
mud tires and you take the $4weights off the tires.
What happens?
The tire starts bouncing right.
Oh yeah, so basically you takeit from here.
Mathematically, the weightbehind the transom is the issue.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yeah, I mean it's.
It's definitely.
Getting a heavy jack plate thathas the inches of setback that
you need is very crucial formore, for more than one reason.
You know, as an example, we hada boat that we were throwing on
a scale, getting the tongueweights out of earlier today,
out on the plant and you know weput in 48 pounds worth of fuel

(37:10):
right under the back deck and itonly changed the balance point
of the boat by seven pounds, andthe reason being is because it
was closer to the balance point,the weight wasn't exactly
transferable.
I don't know how to make thatmake sense.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
It wasn't behind the balance point Right.
It wasn't behind the balancepoint.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
But if I took that 48 pounds and say I moved it back
six inches, instead of sevenpound difference.
It could have been 20 pounds or25 pounds.
You know what I mean.
It would have been more of atransfer of weight to help you
leverage the whole and get thebalance happy.
And one thing Dad's talkingabout is, you know, getting a

(37:51):
heavy-duty jack plate that hasthe proper amount of weight and
setback.
You know, because I see peopleputting you know spacer plates
or whatever it may be, and, yeah, they might be giving you
another four inches but they'reonly giving you leverage, say 10
pounds worth of weight.

Speaker 4 (38:10):
But if you can get that four inches and 20 pounds
or 30 pounds, I mean it'll helpyou out when I put the four inch
on it it did calm the bouncerdown and since I did put a uh,
like when I'm running by myselfor my son's running by himself,
we take the trolling motor offthe front.
But I did put a trolling batteryin the back okay and it was

(38:31):
like all the way it was to thestarboard side of the boat okay
so I took the uh, I took the umstorage hatch, the plastic
storage hatch, off the uh portside and cleared a little bit of
the foam out and put thecranking battery on one side and
the trolling battery on theother side so it kind of evened
the way down the back of theboat Right.
So it didn't ride.
So you didn't ride going downthe river because you got all

(38:53):
the way on one side of the boatand that helped.
But it's like it's a dog comingoff the line.
It's got a 15-pitch Vengeanceprop on it 15-p.
A 15 pitch vengeance prop on it, 15 pitch.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Yeah, and I've got the uh mercury um bluetooth box.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
Well, I think what you call it smart connect or
whatever.
Yeah, I've got it on the motorand it turns 5700, 55, 5700 rpm,
depending on the current andwhere I'm running.
But it's just like sometimesit's like when my son's in the
boat because I've really boughtthe duck hunt out of and I'm
building a duck line on it,right I don't want it to bounce.
I don't want it to bounce, but Ialso needed to tote some weight
, yeah, and like when me and myson get in it, it's like a dog

(39:36):
coming off the off the off aplane, and like you touch the
trim very much and it's going tobounce.
So when you put your blind andadd weight to it you might have
to drop down to a 14-pitch prop.
Would you go with a 14 onfour-blade?
Or I wouldn't go no less than14.
I mean, yeah, yeah, I wouldn'tgo less than 14.

(39:58):
Yeah, four blade is going topull more weight.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yeah, it's going to definitely be able to haul more
gear with a four blade for sure.

Speaker 4 (40:07):
I will say that the boat, my son.
He weighs 150 pounds and withthe app it controls by the GPS.
It shows the speed.
He has got it 40 to 41.
I wish I could get a little bitmore out of it it's a 50
mercury, correct?

Speaker 5 (40:23):
yeah, 60, mercury, 656, that's dbst, that's a big
heavy boat.
Well the thing about it, though,if if the bus not completely
balanced it's hard to get to letthe motor push the boat forward
, if that sense, because yourmotor is kind of fighting your
prop, is fighting the bow, it'sfighting the boat.
It's kind of like taking yourAC off of a drag car.

(40:45):
You know you want all the poweryou can get to your motor so
everything has to be in sync andthat's going to be your weight
and balance.
It's going to be your weightand balance, your counterbalance
.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Yeah, the hop that you have, that you're talking
about, is it like a fast violent?

Speaker 4 (41:03):
hop, or is it a slow drawn out hop?
No, it's, it's fast, you startit.
When you start trimming up likeyou only get probably a quarter
trim, it starts bouncing fast.

Speaker 5 (41:10):
So every fast hop you get out, there is a weight and
balance issue.
It's no different than takingthe weights off your tires.
Okay, that's what it is.
It's a weight and balance issue.
So you know.
I mean, um, the jack plate, theweight behind your transom, is
the point.

(41:30):
I mean, did you discuss I haveto step up for a second but yeah
, did you discuss the weight off, the balance point of the boat?
Yeah, so you know, get yourboat back in the.
You know, at the house, look atthe boat, get it balanced and
that's going to be your firststep.
You know a lot of guys will goin and they'll start buying
props, buying props and buyingprops.
But you know, on the 660 trackwe can run 10 props and be

(41:54):
within four tenths of a miles.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
Four, yeah, and you got a good prop, didn't you say
vengeance?

Speaker 1 (41:59):
You do have a good prop.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
That's a good prop.

Speaker 5 (42:02):
So I mean we spend thousands of dollars on race
props and it'd be withinfour-tenths of all of them, if
that Sometimes two.
Yeah, sometimes it's two.
So a lot of people get hung upon props.
But if the boat is balancedright and you got the proper
setback in the boat and let theboat do its job, then the prop

(42:24):
is the last thing you worryabout.
You know, that's the biggestproblem.
We see this all the time andthe six-inch is probably the
six-inch kickbacks or everybodymakes some bobs advances.
That's the biggest issue rightnow.
That's the biggest issue I seeeverywhere is because it's just
not enough setback.

(42:44):
Unless you buy an rdb or a mod40 or a marsh runner that's
designed for less setback.
Um, you're just not gonna getit.
You're just not gonna get theperformance.
You're not not going to get it.
You're just not going to getthe performance.
You're not going to get theperformance that you see on
TikTok and Facebook anyways.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Without adding more setback, without having the
extra weight and inches ofsetback back there in
combination to balance the boatout.

Speaker 5 (43:13):
Yeah, we have a 2,000-pound center console
running on a drain plug.
Yeah, we have a 2,000-poundcenter console running on a
drain plug.
But it took a lot of weight, alot of counterweight, and it
took a 250-horse motor tocounterweight that hull to get
it to run on its balancing pointof the boat.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
Mm-hmm, I got you.
I know this.
When I sit in the front Likewhen I sit in the front seat he
drives and it won't bounce asbad, but it's just like.
Like it comes off the line.
Good, but it's just.

Speaker 5 (43:38):
I got so much weight in the front, you know well, the
reason why that is is if yourbalancing point is below your
feet, it's not.
It's not below your feet, it'sin front of your feet, the way
you're sounding, okay.
So what happens is your boat,your motor, is your prop is
trying to pick that boat up.
Okay, your balancing point isin front of your feet, okay, so
it has to pick your boat up pastthe balancing point and that's

(44:00):
your hop yeah, it's basicallylike a rocking chair yeah that's
your, that's your hop you got.
if your balancing point wasbehind your feet or where your
butt was sitting in the boat,your butt would pick it up,
naturally.
But you're actually trying topick that boat up in midair with
your prop.
And then what a violent hop isis when your prop releases the
water.
Okay, boom, boom, boom.

(44:23):
I mean she's trying to grab it.
She's trying to grab it.
She's trying to grab it.
The nose is too heavy, the propcan't hold her up and that's
where your hop comes from.
And when your boat sits on thewater, there's a point in your
boat where it's weightless.
So if you put 25 gallons ofweight, like if you put 25

(44:43):
gallons of fuel in the nose ofyour boat, that 25 gallons of
fuel is going to weigh more than25 gallons because it's 14 foot
from your balance point in yourboat.
But if you put the same 25gallons of fuel at the balance
point of your boat, it'sweightless.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
It doesn't have a negativeeffect or a positive effect on
the balance point.

Speaker 5 (45:05):
Now this is the tricky part, though.
If you take the 25 pounds onthe balance point, it's
weightless, but if you take thesame 25 pounds and you move it 3
inches behind your balancepoint, it might not be 25 pounds
, it only might be 15.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
Yep, and that's what I was saying earlier about the
seven pounds.
Yes, 48 pounds of gas yes, onlychanged the balance point.
Tongue weight yes, seven pounds.

Speaker 5 (45:29):
And what I'm seeing all over the internet is
people's like let's add weight,let's add weight.
Add weight Bullshit.
Don't add weight.
It's add weight.
Add weight bullshit, becausedon't add weight, move weight
around.
Yeah, you guys got thiscomplete backwards.
You can't add weight.
Don't put a band-aid on thescar, put some antibiotics on it
.
You know, I mean, don't justband-aid it.
And that's the problem.

(45:49):
I think a lot of people'soverthinking the stuff.
They try to counterbalance theproblem instead of figuring out
what the problem is and it.
It's basically simply thissimple when you buy a set of
tires and don't balance yourtires, you don't get good
performance, and boats are nodifference.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
Your fuel tank is in the back right.
Yes, Fuel tank, both batteriesin the back of the boat.

Speaker 5 (46:15):
Yeah, I mean you got the counterweight back there,
but your counterweight theweight on the back of the boat.
Yeah, I mean you got thecounterweight back there, but
your counterweight the weightbehind the back of the boat.
It may or may not be within 12inches from the balance point of
your boat, it doesn't matter sothe weight's not really as much
weight it's not as much weightas you think.
It is yeah right, because ifyou.

Speaker 4 (46:34):
If you were to throw a power pole on, it probably
drive perfect yes, yes, exactly.

Speaker 5 (46:39):
You could take the battery out of your bow and put
the power pole on your jackplate.
That kind of power pole mayweigh 100 pounds, but it will
weigh 130 pounds because it's 12inches from the bounce point of
your boat I guess, If thatmakes sense.

Speaker 4 (46:56):
Oh yeah, it makes lots of sense.

Speaker 5 (46:58):
Yes, and a lot of people don't understand that A
violent hop is not a slow boat,a violent hop is not a bad boat.
A violent hop is an unbalancedboat.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
I got you.
I just wish I could get thatmercury turned up like you can
turn the Yamaha's and stuff upand get a little bit more power
out of it.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
You if you turn it up , like you can turn the Yamahas
and stuff up and get a littlebit more power out of it, you
and me both, brother.
More power is always better.

Speaker 5 (47:19):
But you will be surprised though this is what
all these people don'tunderstand You'll be surprised
what that 60 Merc can do whenthat boat isn't holding it back.
Yeah, when it's happy.
That boat right now is holdingthat motor back and the reason
why it's holding it back isbecause it just ain't balanced.
She don't know where she needsto run.
She's.

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She's on her secondary pad,primary pad, she's pushing water
, the rakes cupping water yourvalley, and not only.
Not only that.
A lot of people don'tunderstand too, when you have a
kicking jack or a jack platethat moves, that when that boat
is hopping that prop is movingin a water column.
It doesn't give the prop anopportunity to hold the water,
it releases water and it justmagnifies the problem.

(48:02):
I mean, you never see a raceboat with a jack plate that
moves.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:09):
How long have you had that?

Speaker 2 (48:10):
boat Three months.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
How many hours do you think you put on it?
It's got over 20 hours.

Speaker 5 (48:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
So I got a 15-year-old that whenever he's
not at work and he's got achance, he's hooked that boat
and going to the river.
Yeah, I hear you I hear you.

Speaker 5 (48:30):
That's awesome, dude, that is awesome.
But yeah, I mean, that's onereason we're doing these
podcasts is because you knowit's really crazy how boats work
and how all that works togetherto prop jack plate and
counterweights and all thisstuff, and I think a lot of
people just don't understandthat a boat is like a seesaw Yep
.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
That's it, I got you.

Speaker 5 (48:53):
It runs like it sits.

Speaker 4 (48:55):
I got you so I start.
I need to start practicing and,uh, try and move a different
weight around in the boat, maybegetting the batteries more to
the back of the boat and see ifthat don't help it out a lot you
can move.

Speaker 5 (49:07):
You can move a battery in your trunk three
inches further back and it makesa difference where your boat
runs it does, it does, it's allthe uh.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Basically it's just the distance from the balance
point.
How can you get your weightlocated, you know, corresponding
with the balance?

Speaker 5 (49:23):
and I always tell people too I mean, go ahead,
weigh your tongue, your boat,put your tongue, your boat, on
the bathroom scale.
If it's 200 pounds, and youneed to figure out a way to get
that 200 pounds down to 70pounds- and you said you had a
battery in the uh compartment.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
Right, yeah, which doesn't help.

Speaker 5 (49:40):
There's which doesn't help if it was a lithium
battery, though no, I mean, butreally though it'd be more
weight in the back it's so closeto a balancing point that 50
pound battery might only make achange of 20 pounds yeah, but
you know, I doubt even that.

Speaker 4 (49:53):
But if it's in front of the balance point it's gonna
going to make it worse.

Speaker 5 (49:57):
That's right, and I always tell people too I get so
pumped up about this shit, Ilove this shit, but check this
out All right.
Check this out All right.
If you get a buddy that picksup the tongue of your boat, okay
, he's strong enough to hold thetongue of your boat and you get
in that boat.
There is a certain place inthat boat that you can stand,
that he's not strained, he canhold that up.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (50:19):
That's the damn point you've got to find right there.
Yeah, that's what you've got tofind, and you've got to put
that point on the water.
That's the deal.
So you think about this.
You hold that tongue up.
You hold that tongue up.
You take two feet in front ofthe bouncing point.
That guy can't hold that boat up, no more okay, he takes three
steps back, he can hold thatboat up.

(50:40):
That's how that boat, that's asweet spot you're looking for
and that boat runs and that'sgonna put all the power to your
prop.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
And that's when you smoke ass yeah, and you can do
this with a scale.
Just put your your jack on ascale again and, uh, you can do
all this I mean we'll get ourrace boats down to like 10 or 12
, 16 pounds, our rdb drag waslike negative 14, you know 14
pounds on the pile.

Speaker 5 (51:04):
I'm like, oh shit, I don't know.
I don't know if this is gonnawork yeah, my mod 40 with 80
inches setback.

Speaker 4 (51:09):
You can hear it back here on a tongue going down the
road, oh horrible pulling, buthey, hey we pulled the boat out
of the plant the other day.

Speaker 5 (51:16):
It's a new model we just built.
We just pulled it out and old BScott, I was backing up to the
truck and old B Scott wasputting that tongue on that ball
and I was thinking, hey boy, isshe heavier than I thought she
goes.
She's pretty damn light.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
I'm like this son of a bitch is going to run, boy.

Speaker 5 (51:40):
Yeah, I can, yeah, I can grab that trailer and tell
you what she's gonna do.
And you know what, if thatthing is?
Hey, if that thing is too heavy, I said let's put some power
poles on it.
And and once we put the powerpoles on it, then we match the
prop to the weight.
We match it.
We might need a bigger diameterprop when he might need less
pitch.
Like shockley said earlier, weneed to keep that motor in this
power band.
We need to keep the motorpushing at the peak of his power
and that's where you adjust aprop to your balance point of

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your boat and that's when.
That's when she'll wake up.
Yep for sure I got you.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
Well see, what you just explained to me makes a lot
of sense, because I used tomove furniture, I used to
deliver.
Uh, back in the day, when I wasyounger, I used to deliver
furniture and appliances, andwhenever you put appliances on
the cart, there's a balancingpoint on that cart.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Oh, yeah, you can hold it with one finger.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
You can hold a 400-pound refrigerator with one
finger and move it around justas long as it's in that
balancing point.
But if it ever comes towardsyou, the key, if it ever got
away from you, it's going tofall.

Speaker 5 (52:29):
That's right.
So that makes a lot of sense.
What you see, same scenario,it's the same thing, and the
only difference from thissituation to you is you're
actually the Mercury motor.
It's a lot easier for you topush the product on the balance
point, as if you're not pushingon that balance point.
Yep.
I guess, you can work a lotlonger.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
I need to start working some weight around and
see if I can figure it out.

Speaker 5 (52:54):
And remember it's the balance point of the boat, with
you sitting in the boat.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (53:00):
All right.
So you need to get in the boat,get your wife or buddy or
something, watch the scale,figure it out, make adjustments
and move that 40-pound batterythree more inches.
Not just moving the battery.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
And for an example, we weighed a boat this morning
more inches, not just moving.
And for an example, we weigheda boat this morning and with the
, with the motor battery, emptygas tank, jack plate, everything
on there, we had 70 pounds onthe tongue.
Well, when I got in the boat ina position where I was going to
drive it, the tongue weightwent down to 42 pounds.
So you know, we lost just under30 pounds.

(53:36):
Now I weigh 200 pounds, but ifI weighed 280 it it would have
ended up weighing less.
So I mean, it's a littledifferent for everybody also, uh
, why we're on this?

Speaker 5 (53:46):
let's explain the trolling motor, the light bars.
Okay, so when you're setting aboat up, the idea is getting the
as much less weight you can onthe bow to cover the trolling
motor.
You know you want a boat thatruns on the plug, runs on this
tail end with a trolling motorin your fishing load, right?
Well, a lot of people what theydon't understand.

(54:07):
They don't adjust the boat forthat.
So if you know your trollingmotor is going to weigh 100
pounds, you need to build yourboat accordingly.
So you have to take all thatweight off the nose before you
start building the front end ofyour boat.
Okay, and if you do that first,then your boat will perform
really nice loaded down with thefishing equipment yep you know,

(54:30):
that's.
That's what people don'tunderstand.
They'll get a boat.
They'll put a damn six inchjack plate on it, which is crazy
.
They'll put this on therebecause everybody sells them
right.
And they'll put this trollingmotor, They'll put the screens
on their front deck and nextthing you know, their boat's
going to run and their props areblowing out.
Well, you know why their propsare blowing out Because they
can't pick up the damn boat.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
And the boat worth of leverage is more than 100
pounds.

Speaker 4 (55:01):
But that motor's got to fight against because it's 13
foot from the balancing pointyep nice man explains a lot, so
I wanted to get to working onsome adjusting some weight
around weight weight is yourfriend.

Speaker 5 (55:14):
Setback, is that setback?
A lot of people get confused onsetback and weight
counterweight setback.
The only reason why you go from6 to 10 to 12 inches is you
actually using the motorscounterweight.
Yep, that's the only reason whyyou have the, the options.
But you can also get a gen 3 uhbobs.
That, uh, you get a gen 3 bobsuh.

(55:36):
Hydraulic jack plate with a sixinch that weighs as much as a
10 inch standard bobs.
You see what I'm saying, soyeah, so you.
You take the gen 3 action.
Uh, bobs, that weighs way moreor less setback.
You're going to improve yourwhole shot.
So there's a lot more to itthan what people think yeah, I

(55:58):
mean it.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
There is a lot to it.
You just gotta play with it and, man, keep us updated, dude, I
mean, if you got any morequestions, do feel free to call
us and, and you know, we'lldefinitely help you work through
your setup.

Speaker 4 (56:08):
Man, keep working with you I appreciate it, I
really do.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
I thank y'all guys for a lot of your time.
Have a good one.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Bye.

Speaker 5 (56:19):
That was a really good call and it's so, like, I
think, a lot of these people.
It's like that guy right there,dude, as soon as he clicked in
his head, he clicked in his head, you know, and like you just
don't know how to show people orgive them examples, but for him
it was moving furniture, it'sthe same damn thing.
It's the same damn thing Untilyou realize what clicks.

(56:43):
What clicks?
I mean to get you to understandit.
To me it's fun, it's like apuzzle.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
It really is.

Speaker 5 (56:52):
The next thing in all this is dead rise.
What is the dead rise of thehull?
How does it affect thebalancing point of the boat?
Because you've got 8 degrees,you've got 4 degrees, 6 degrees,
you've got 10, 20.
You've got these bass boats outthere that run 20-degree dead
rise.
You've got these Allison's thatrun a lot of dead rise, but the
boats weigh 260 pounds.

(57:13):
We're running a 780 boat.
You know 800 pound duck huntingboats.
So you know, how does the deadrise affect the weight?
And can the motor actuallyclean the hole up to run
efficiently?
Um, there's just a lot to it.
Um, only thing I know to do isjust keep calling and keep
helping people.
You know, but isn't that crazy?

(57:34):
Isn't that just crazy?

Speaker 4 (57:36):
how simple it is oh yeah, it is, you know when you
start thinking about it.
It's just like a race car.
You have to scale a race car,you do you do.

Speaker 5 (57:44):
I just think maybe people doesn't think that uh,
boats are that complex, likeit's just aluminum welded
together, you'd be surprised atthe amount of boat owners that
are that's it's their first boatyeah, it is they think you're.

Speaker 4 (57:56):
You buy a boat, throw a motor on it yeah ride, and
it's just not that way I getcaught.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
It's crazy too, because some people don't like
that's what they want.
They just won't, they don'tcare, I ride.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
Well, they need to put it in there.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
Just I just want to put, put down the river, you
know well, they need to buy amock one yeah, yeah, I mean you,
you can literally dose anythingon that and and I think they'll
just ride.
And maybe we've got to tellpeople more or less like hey,
like I still see that people arestill trying to start to learn
what model does what.

Speaker 5 (58:24):
Yeah yeah, I get lost in the whole situation.
I'm 47 years old.
A lot of these guys just notgetting their first boats.
They were born when I wasgetting into boat business and I
get caught up in that shit.
You know, I get lost.
People really don't know yeahyou know, and my wife gets on me
all the time because she's liketim they just don't know what
you know.
I'm like what do you mean?

(58:44):
You don't know what they don'tknow?
I mean it's freaking commonsense.
I mean, this is what you do fora living.
But it's not, you know.
You know, this is what I do fora living, you know?
Yeah, we were talking aboutthat earlier.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
It's kind of like fishing.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
You go to a lake you'd think you would know.
If somebody tells you somethingyou'd be like, wow, why didn't
I think of that?
It happens all the time, atleast to me, I know it does.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
A lot of times it makes perfect sense.
Yeah, tyler tells you somethingand you're like well, daryl.

Speaker 5 (59:14):
Why were you not thinking that I know?

Speaker 1 (59:15):
I'm a firm believer in it.
I've said this for the longesttime you don't know what you
don't know.
Yeah, you don't even know, youdon't know it Like a crankbait
ride Like remember.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
You know, I could be 710, it'd make it a lot easier.

Speaker 5 (59:36):
That's right, Anyway y'all want to get on the call?
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, let's get caught up onsome calls.
We got like 10 or 15 calls.
I still brought my first boat.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
I brought it back to the boat point and you set it up
for me.
Yeah, my very first one Ibought.
You're right, here you go, isthat Mississippi?

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Hello, hey, what's going on?
You're on Off the Clock withBeast Guy.
I got Daryl Moore, MichaelShockley and Tim Scott with me.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
Hey, yeah, I was calling.
I had some questions just aboutthe setup.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Yeah, go ahead.
What kind of setup?

Speaker 4 (01:00:14):
It's a 7.56 Marsh Runner 7.56 Marsh Runner.

Speaker 5 (01:00:18):
Is it gen 1 or gen 2?
Gen2?

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
sorry, what was that?

Speaker 5 (01:00:25):
is it gen 2?
No, it's a gen 1 okay what yougot.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
I've got a 92 stroke on the back of it all right.
I was just wondering how doesmoving weight around in the hull
itself affect it, like if I wasto have another person sit on
the back with me?
Should I jack my motor up down?

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
What kind of jack plate do you have on the boat?
For one I got a Bob's.
A Bob's Like kicking jack, sixinch.

Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
Yes, I'm running 10 inches of setback on it.
I got four inch spacers andjack six inch.
Yes, I'm running a 10-inchsetback on it, I got four-inch
spacers and a six-inch jack.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
Point, okay, four-inch spacers.

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
Okay, all right, it should actually ride better with
her in it or with somebody elsein there.
Yeah, you don't think it shouldhave to move up or down at all.
Yeah, she will have to adjustit some.
Yeah, it's not as much as youwould think.
I would say maybe an inch.

Speaker 5 (01:01:18):
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
What you got going on .

Speaker 4 (01:01:23):
Usually it's down.
Usually you go down when you'reat a person.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
What you got going on .
How's the rig run with just youin it?

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
Oh, it runs fine with me.
I can pick it up and make itrun Smooth as butter.

Speaker 5 (01:01:34):
Yeah, you just have to adjust your jack plate up and
down also.
It might be a prop selectiontoo yeah, what's it doing with?

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
oh, somebody's sitting in there with you.
It likes to hop around.
Yeah, that's just.

Speaker 5 (01:01:45):
Your motor height needs might need to come up if
it's hopping yeah, yeah, yeah ifit's single, yeah if you're by
yourself, raise the motor up,get some weight in there, drop
the motor down yeah, I justwasn't sure how it affected like
having somebody else, because Iknow I got it out here, just me
.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
I just wasn't sure what it did when you actually
put somebody else in it withyeah, a lot of times, you know,
as far as balance pointsdefinitely not hurting your
balance point, you just mighthave to jack it up some.

Speaker 5 (01:02:09):
The problem, the problem that I see with this and
, being honestly truthful, Iknow the boat runs good and
everything, but I just gotta putmy two cents in.
I still, you know, I still Istill want to get an idea that,
yeah, setback does help, but youcould go to a solid jack plate
and get more benefits with lesssetback with that particular
boat and get better performance.
Yeah, I just gotta put my twocents in there, because I'm not

(01:02:32):
a big fan of of, uh, of legos.
I hate legos and I hate legoson a boat too.
So when you start stacking jackplates with spacers, that you
don't get the true effect of theweight of the jack plate, and I
think that's a really importantpart of your setup and I think
I just feel like in oursituations, we've always got the

(01:02:55):
best performance with a solidunit.
Yeah, and and the properbalance point of your boat even
though your boat runs good, itdoesn't mean it's the best it
could be.

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
It could always be better yeah and I got a 12
gallon tank up front.
Y'all think I should move a sixgallon to the back oh my gosh
that's terrible yep for surethat'll help a lot that you
probably won't even have to moveyour motor with her or whoever
besides you, if you move it tothe back.

Speaker 5 (01:03:25):
That'll help a ton so you might can run your gas tank
in the back and go with lesssetback.
With a heavier setback.
Then you improve your wholeshot and it would carry a load
better in your rear deck that'sa.

Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
That's a hundred, almost 100 pounds of fuel alone,
plus it's past your balancepoint, so it's actually more
weight than that absolutely yeah, absolutely, and think about it
is too is like you know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
You're running right now 10 inches total, but you
don't have setback, and it's amarsh runner that has a six inch
built-in setback, so you reallyrun 16 16 you're really running
16 total inches of setback whenthe when the boat's on its
primary pad and you couldprobably move that gas tank to
the back.
We'll put a six gallon gas tankin the back and you might could

(01:04:11):
take those.
Uh, you might get away withtaking those four inch spacers
off.

Speaker 5 (01:04:16):
That's what I would do.
It's off, that's what I woulddo.
It's going to lift that's whatI would do.
I would move your gas tank tothe back, take your spacers off
and your bus will run better.

Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
You can tell a noticeable difference when
you're running it, when you getlow on fuel, can't you?
Yeah, I can tell a bigdifference when I run.
Like three gallons of sun putlike three gallons in the tank,
yeah, it's because your price isstill you move your tank to the
back.
It'll run like that with a fulltank.
With a full tank.

Speaker 5 (01:04:38):
Yeah, that's right, Absolutely yeah because the
balance point of your boat issomewhere under your butt,
somewhere, I'd say, maybe underyour knees.
Yeah, then if you move your gastank from the front to the back
, you're only going to move itthree, four inches past your
knees.
That you're only going to moveit three, four inches past your
knees and it's really not thatmuch weight for that boat.
So if you run all your way, ifyou run that gas tank but near

(01:05:02):
your balance point about boat,it's weightless.
But if you run all that weightto the front you're adding a lot
of strain to your prop, yourmotor.
If that makes sense, you really, you really leave a lot of
money on the table there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
Oh, yeah, like once you move that stuff around, dude
, you're gonna leaving a lot ofmoney on the table there.
Oh yeah, once you move thatstuff around, dude, you're going
to have a hell of a runningboat.
It's going to be running.

Speaker 5 (01:05:20):
good yeah, she'll really enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
You thought it ran good before.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
It's going to run faster.
It's going to be runningcleaner.

Speaker 5 (01:05:30):
And it's probably going to float the nose a little
bit more and more likely you'renot going to have yeah with
your passenger in the boat,because at that point you can
adjust everything with your jackplate.

Speaker 4 (01:05:37):
Yeah, I bet you, I bet Bay Scott's right, I bet you
won't even have to touch yourjack plate once you move that
weight around.

Speaker 5 (01:05:41):
Yeah, I didn't know.
He had a gas tank up front.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
I didn't either.
That makes a lot of sense, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:05:46):
No man.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
Only way I'd ever run a counterweight up front and I
ran really shallow water or Iwas running an mstc or something
.
You know.
In that situation you, you gota specific hole you're running
in mind and you know it's aspecific setup.

Speaker 5 (01:06:03):
For that one thing, yeah, if I'm running flood
timber, you know we get the boat.
Needs are just shallow, shallow, shallow.
I would disperse the weightacross the bottom of the
platform and that will help yourboat run shallower yeah, but if
you're doing that, you're nottrying to float the nose anyway,
so that's right.

Speaker 4 (01:06:19):
Well, nowadays, everybody tries to float the
nose I don't want.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
I want to see my boat flat when I'm duck hunting.

Speaker 5 (01:06:29):
Yeah, I want it like this I want to see.

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
I hate riding like.

Speaker 5 (01:06:31):
A lot of people don't understand.
The rakes is what turns theboat yeah, that's.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
That's the steering wheel, right like you know,
people be driving, like you know, some boats maybe like this,
and I'm like how can you seegoing through the woods?
Yeah, yeah, that's crazy, but,but, but but your situation.

Speaker 5 (01:06:44):
But I would, uh, I would try to move your weight
around and I would reduce theamount of uh setback you got.
And if you did want to go backto the further setback, I would
go to a solid jack plate insteadof the Lego term, pretty much,
because just because you haveinches you go back inches.
You need girth too, you knowyou need weight.
It's not always about length.

(01:07:06):
You know you need that girthand the setback is what really
the weight of the setback is thekey when it balances the boat.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
All right, I think you know.
Yes, sir, man, you have a greatday.

Speaker 4 (01:07:20):
Yes, sir, you too All right man, bye, you start
talking about girth he got offthe phone, didn't?
He.
Here's the deal.
It's just true.
You don't have to have length,I think a lot of people don't
understand that length isn'teverything.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
It's girth and length .

Speaker 5 (01:07:34):
You know what?

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
I'm saying it takes both, I get what you're saying.

Speaker 5 (01:07:37):
Yeah, Both terms.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
You don't want to have just length In real life or
just girth.
You need to have length andgirth.

Speaker 5 (01:07:46):
It's just the counterweight.
You know what was those thingsback in the middle?
You know rocks and stuff,catapults.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
Catapults.
Trebleshays what was it called?
I think it's Trebleshay, isn'tit?
I don't know what it's calledIs that where they are.

Speaker 4 (01:08:02):
I've never heard the term Trebleshay Me either.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Somebody look up a Trebleshay, don't have my guys
make that up.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
I know a Trebleshay, a Trebleshay.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
I can.
That's B-A.
I don't know how you spell it,though that's some of that
Malvern shit.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
Malvern, shit Y'all never, like Triple O Sheaf.

Speaker 5 (01:08:20):
I graduated high school from Texas.
Oh, he's right.
Wow, oh, that's it See, you seethe counterweight back there.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
That's crazy, he actually.
You see the counterweight yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
That's how that works .
Arm.
That's the leverage.
That's the leverage.

Speaker 5 (01:08:34):
That's what is there any way we can get a picture of
that?
Because that's basically how aboat works, the type of catapult
, trojan shit.
You know that's that'sbasically how a boat works.
There's your motor, there'syour value for boat.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
See that and that long arm is more leverage for
throwing the projectile.

Speaker 5 (01:08:50):
I think a lot of people don't understand that.
It's that damn simple.
Where's the balancing point of?
And you know, these guysfigured this out freaking?
How many years ago Was thisfreaking?

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
100, 200 years ago, A long time that's for sure.
Anyways, we're getting a phonecall.
Boom.
I know what Troubleshay is.
Y'all can suck it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
I thought you made that up honestly.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Hey, what's going on, man?
I got Michael Shockley, DarrylMoore, Tim Scott with me.

Speaker 4 (01:09:17):
How's it going?
My name's Trey.
I'm calling from Minnesota,Awesome man.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
You got a Havoc boat.

Speaker 4 (01:09:26):
I used to, but now I got a low-side edge.

Speaker 5 (01:09:30):
What's going on with your edge?

Speaker 4 (01:09:34):
I just got this thing .
I had a VJST before I just gotthis thing.
I had a VJST before.
I just got a stock Mercury 40on it, a two stroke and a Bob's
kicking jack and I'm having alittle bit of problems like low
speed hop, so like when I'mgoing slow it doesn't want to do

(01:09:56):
nothing but just go fast.
Laughing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
That sounds like a good problem to have Don't sound
like a horrible problem.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
All right Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:10:06):
So what does that mean?
So are you like a super heavyguy?
What do you weigh?
You're over 200 pounds.
I'm like 240, 230.

Speaker 4 (01:10:14):
Okay, that's what.

Speaker 5 (01:10:15):
I thought that's what I thought.
I imagine it's pretty heavy.
I weigh 220.
I'm heavy too.
So what happens is I knew thatroute the bat because you got a
low side edge and they're goingto be able to 15 foot or so
you're bouncing 47, right.

Speaker 4 (01:10:31):
So, wow, that's a small boat.

Speaker 5 (01:10:33):
That makes even worse because of on the boat, so I
knew exactly where he's goingwith this, and your problem is
your balance point is too farback.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Okay, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:10:43):
Your balance point is too far back back because you
now, if you weighed 180 pounds,it wouldn't do that.
Yeah, okay, so you're a littletoo heavy for the size of the
boat, so you need to move thecounterweight forward you know
just a little bit to let theboat ride and it might not be
that much like you might onlyhave to move it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
You know, eight inches or so worth of balance
point in your hole to be able toactually be able to run those
low speeds without hopping likethat.
How much setback is that youhad.

Speaker 5 (01:11:14):
Just a six-inch kicking jack.
Yeah, it's just too much.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
It's just a small bug .

Speaker 4 (01:11:20):
The thing I was worried about was it so, like on
my VJST, the transom angle is Ican't remember off the top of
my head, but it was like 20degrees, and then this one it's
like right at 11.
Yeah, so I'm really not gettingenough like negative trim out
of it.
So I was thinking aboutthrowing some wedges on it and

(01:11:40):
see if that would help.

Speaker 5 (01:11:41):
Wedges will help it.
Yep, wedges will help it.
Yep, wages will help it a ton.
I was about to say that that'sa.
That's a common thing withedges.
Is you gotta have transferwedges?
Um, right, uh, that's not a badthing.
I mean, I get, I got thisreally big ass bass boat that I
run.
I got wedges on mine too, soit's not a bad thing.
Um, so, yeah, you need somewedges, needs a positive trim.

(01:12:01):
But also, you know, like I said, you're a heavy guy, you got a
small boat, small platform.
It's because it's kind of likeputting a big guy on a small ski
, you know so you need to adjustyour.
You know your balance on yourboat.
Get your boat to run more flatdoes it need positive, it needs
negative.

Speaker 4 (01:12:19):
He's gonna be trying to go real fast.
He got me hopping a five milean hour.
Yeah, no, he definitelynegative yeah, my bad, I'm
planning on putting a mega on iteventually yeah, but do you do
you think it would be too muchweight if I put my?
I got a six gallon gas tank.
Do you think it'd be too muchweight if I put it in the sun?
No, I was gonna say that whileI go no, no, that's probably

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what you need, that probablywhat yeah well to be with you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
If you're putting a mega on it, you're going to save
some weight on the motor side.

Speaker 5 (01:12:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
Which means, like balance point-wise it might be
right.
That's going to probablybalance it out to where it might
be right with you having a megaon there.

Speaker 5 (01:12:58):
But if I was on the size of your boat, with the dead
rise of your hull it's, youknow, it's eight degrees, um,
it's a 15 foot boat, it's a,it's not a wide boat, so it's
not.
It's just not as buoyant andyou in your, the size you are,
uh, I would not.
I would put the gas tank upfront.
I would, I would and I wouldput the gas thing up front and I

(01:13:19):
would run the wedges to get alittle more tuck.
And you should be golden man,right I?

Speaker 4 (01:13:26):
mean like right now it's good, like on the top end
it the water comes off the backof the boat and I mean it gets a
little bit of lift out of it.
It's a low side edge so I meanit's not gonna ride to the moon,
but you can make it right, youcan ride, you can right.
That's what Quentin used torace exact boat.
I didn't even really want to, Ijust wanted to run efficiently

(01:13:49):
and just haul out water.

Speaker 5 (01:13:51):
Well, right now it is a run efficiently other than
the low end.
You're not getting your low end, kind of like what you're
looking for, and that's why alot of people get confused where
they really want to have.
You know, if you lift a bow waytoo much with an 8-degree hole,
you're going to be shovingwater out of the sides anyway
and you're going to be superslow.
You'll look really good onTikTok and stuff, but other than

(01:14:13):
that, if you're not TikTok-ing,it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
yeah, A lot of those guys don't talk about their
actual speeds.

Speaker 5 (01:14:17):
Yeah, it's for good.

Speaker 4 (01:14:19):
I don't care much about that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's pretty, you're one of few.

Speaker 5 (01:14:25):
Yeah, that's pretty.

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
That's a new training day.

Speaker 5 (01:14:28):
Let's over-trim our boat, bury your stern in the
water about eight inches andbeat the crap out of your boat.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
Yeah, let's ride a wave.
That you know.

Speaker 4 (01:14:34):
Yeah, no-transcript yeah, well that that helps me a

(01:14:56):
lot.
I guess I mean the only thing Ireally need is a lot more prop,
because I'm running the same thesame props I was running on my
d, which is a little bit I mean,it's a little bit bigger of a
boat so I was turning a 14 turboat like rev limiter at like 41,
42 miles an hour, and then thisone.
I'm like I've got the revlimiter pulled on this Merc so I

(01:15:17):
don't have a tackle stuff.
But if I had, to guess I'mspinning way over six.
Yeah, that boat's light, yeah,it's probably not very good for
it.

Speaker 5 (01:15:26):
No, I would definitely go.

Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
I would say 16.

Speaker 5 (01:15:29):
I'd go 16 pitch because it's a light boat.

Speaker 4 (01:15:31):
Yeah, I'm wanting to put a 16 YBS on it or like a 16
turbo, but I just can't do itright now.

Speaker 5 (01:15:38):
If you hop on our gear shot.
We do sell YBSs and they arepretty.
You know they're priced right.

Speaker 4 (01:15:45):
Yeah, we do sell.

Speaker 5 (01:15:45):
YBSs and they are pretty.
You know they're priced right.
Yeah, you guys got them pricedat, probably the best price I've
seen.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
Yes sir, yes sir.

Speaker 5 (01:15:49):
Hop on there, get you one of them, and it'll
definitely help you ride out.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
I think we just got you know.
Yeah, we just got some more in,so we should be good.

Speaker 4 (01:15:56):
Okay, yeah, I'll definitely check that out.
Sweet, awesome man.

Speaker 5 (01:16:08):
Yeah, I awesome man.
Yeah, I appreciate that.
Yeah, maybe need more help.
Just give us a call.
Man appreciate you.
Yeah, no problem, thank you all, right, later bye.
Yeah, so it's crazy, man, youknow you get all these boats
different brands are all thesame you know, and, um, I guess,
what the difference is, how theboats are built and what you're
built for well as an example.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
He's talking about low speeds and you know hopping
or whatnot, and you look likethe say the rdbsts right.
Well, the performance box, theway it is, it's designed to have
more surface area on the bottomof the boat at low speeds yeah
and then cleaning up to runningmore efficiently with less
surface area on top end on thetop end so I mean that's just a

(01:16:43):
prime example of the generationsof how boats developed.
Yeah, I mean it's been a longtime since we built the edges.

Speaker 5 (01:16:50):
Man, we built the edges way back then and you know
the edges were developed to runthe timber.
The main focus of the edge wasto have a really tight beam, get
in between the trees and havean eight-degree hole.
You know it gets out wholequick.
You run.
You run six to eight inches onthat bad boy and uh, most of the

(01:17:10):
time back in the day it was cmc.
Yeah, yeah, you know that wascrap back in the day you know,
we just ran like 36 miles anhour the dt25.
We thought we were big dogsback there, yeah, and now look
at us.

Speaker 4 (01:17:23):
You know what I'm saying?
We was big dogs with the dtback then 36 37 miles an hour
ain't, nobody could outrun usyou know and uh until you hit
something and break that littleuh clip on the bottom of that
pt-35?
Yeah, then it flips over in theboat with you, you know uh, but
you know it was really.

Speaker 5 (01:17:40):
It's really cool to see how the edges you know where
where the performance dug boatwent from went from that to
where we're at today.
I think we've got somethinggoing on with the earphones.

Speaker 4 (01:17:51):
Yeah, mine's going, my left one's going out, yeah it
seems like.

Speaker 5 (01:17:56):
Houston.
We have a problem.
Mine's all good Help.
I thought somebody said thoseDTs were running 51.
I don't know.
51 miles an hour.

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
You see that video that was on social media.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
No, I didn't see that .
Who made that?
Who was that Dr?

Speaker 4 (01:18:07):
Duck the video he did Dr Duck who's that.
Did he have it on Vidometer?

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
No, you remember he made that big video and they
were running like body middies.

Speaker 4 (01:18:25):
There's guys out's running 51.

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
Y'all ain't seen that video.
It was like viral.
It was like a big.
It was a big ordeal becauseeverybody would be like, of
course it's viral.

Speaker 5 (01:18:31):
It's not true.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
Yeah, I mean he was being serious.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
He might have just been thinking is about you know,
I'm bringing up our gear shopreal quick, dude.
We got props in there and a lotof people have a hard time
finding ybs, especially for goodpricing.
Yeah, I mean, you are not goingto beat our ybs pricing.

Speaker 5 (01:18:50):
No, we keep the ybs prices down pretty good.
We buy a lot of them and andit's such a good prop out of the
box you know it is the ybs outof the box for a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
Even when we were racing, it took us a long time
to be able to get props workbetter.

Speaker 5 (01:19:03):
I don't think if it wasn't for Quentin, we wouldn't
run anything but a YBS.
I mean, he kept telling usaround here props, way to go.
You know we just kept.
We ran YBS, ybs, ybs, ybs.
You know we was winning races,man man, we're getting like tons
of phone calls here, but Idon't think we should take any
more phone calls.

Speaker 4 (01:19:25):
I think, called in.
Yeah, let's definitely startcalling back, but YBS is the
best out-of-the-box prop.

Speaker 5 (01:19:27):
Absolutely, the YBS is the best box I would call him
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:19:30):
We keep going back to the races.
How much money do we spend atthe prop shops on some work?

Speaker 5 (01:19:35):
Thousands of dollars for props.
I'm telling you, you get yourbow set up right and I'll go
back to this every time you setyour boat upright, and you know
it's not a big differencebetween 10 props.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
No, it ain't.
Hello.
Hey, what's going on?
I got Daryl Moore, michaelShockley and Tim Scott with me.

Speaker 4 (01:19:57):
My name's Michael Taylor.
I'm from Orangeburg, SouthCarolina.

Speaker 5 (01:20:01):
Awesome man, You're up there by Wayne's Wood and
Water.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
Oh yeah, you got a habit yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:20:10):
I got a habit.
So I got a question about theget the shop truck.
I got a question about the.
I got a DBST with a 70 Yamahaon the back 70 Yamaha.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
Yep, what size is it?

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
What size DBST?

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
15-53.

Speaker 5 (01:20:33):
15-53.

Speaker 3 (01:20:35):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:20:35):
I thought it would be a little bigger.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
Is it a four-stroke South Carolina.

Speaker 4 (01:20:41):
Here we go.
I got some GT25s too, okay,okay, they're not there, they're
not coming out west.
So I've tried six inches ofsetback and I've tried 12 inches
of setback.

Speaker 5 (01:20:56):
What's the boat doing ?
The boat doing a lot of hopping, or what?
Yes, hopping with six and 12,or what?

Speaker 4 (01:21:04):
Yes, it hopped with six and it hopped, yes it it hot
with six and it hot with 12.

Speaker 5 (01:21:08):
the same amount, yes yes, well, there's a big gap
between 6 and 12, you know thereis so what I did was just
trying to play with it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:23):
I had two breakaways.

Speaker 5 (01:21:26):
Let me ask you how did you get your 12-inch so?

Speaker 4 (01:21:30):
I mounted one breakaway and I have some plates
to be able to lock it down.
Okay, that's the problem.
And then I added another one.
Okay, that's the problem.

Speaker 5 (01:21:42):
That's the problem, the reason why I say it's a
problem and I go back to thisdeal.
That, I think, is what we callLegos.
The more that I see these boatsout there, they try to.
I think they misunderstandsetback.
Don't you think so, b Scott?
I do.
I think a lot of people thinksetback is.
They don't understand whysetback works.

(01:22:03):
A lot of people think setbackis.
They don't understand whysetback works.
And you know if you go into thebass boat industry, people say
setback works because it getsclean water to the prop.
That's always been a theory,you know, and that's a certain
deal.
But I think the big confusionof setback is not necessarily
the setback in inches but theweight of the setback Does that

(01:22:25):
make sense.
So, um, majority of the problemswe see.
You know we build 40 to 50havics we should have 40 50
havics a week and we get newcustomers every week and and and
all we got to do is take dataand put it together and try to
try to figure out what iseverybody doing.
And the big thing on theInternet is setback, setback,

(01:22:47):
setback.
But they don't care how theyget the setback, they just want
a setback.
And that's not necessarily theright way of doing it.
If you get on Bob's website,get on these performance
websites that builds jack platesand everything, they have 6, 7,
8, 9, 10, 12, 14-inch setbacks.
There's a reason why they builda 14-inch setback and a 12-inch

(01:23:07):
setback.
You know, if you look at, bob'sis a very, very important
website because if you get onBob's website and I love they do
this but if you look at theaction jack plate they build,
which everybody buys, it's a 4,6, 8, 10 inch setback.

(01:23:27):
The 4 inch weighs 46 pounds.
A 6 inch weighs 49, 53, 58, 64is 79 pounds.
But if you go to their gen 3,they're all twice the weight.
Okay, so they're twice theweight because they're ready for
bigger horsepower motors.
But what makes a boat run?
It's the length and the weightin the back of the boat yes if

(01:23:50):
that makes sense.
So I think a lot of people'sjust not putting the right jack
plate on their boat to balancetheir boat and what you have.
So you call up, so you got sixinch and you did, you did this,
you did this, but there's a hugegap in between.
But how you got to the 12-inchisn't the right way because you
really don't know what balancedyour boat and you need to figure

(01:24:12):
out where your balancing pointis.
Your boat Get that balancedbecause your boat's going to
ride on the tip of the balancepoint.
So if you have an 8-degree hulland your boat is running, the
balancing point is the tip ofthe deepest part of your hull,
which is 8 degrees.
It's going to run on a triangleof water.
So the triangle of the water isgoing to be the tip of the

(01:24:36):
balancing point.
Point is in front of your feet,or six inches in front of your
feet, then your boat will.
Your motor will never pick upthat distance between that and
your transom because it'd be inthe mid air.
There's nothing to hold yourboat up and the only way to
change the point of the bouncingpoint is to have the proper

(01:24:57):
weight behind the transom andyou can't achieve that by adding
.
You can't achieve that byadding weight or setback,
because you're only usingcounterweight of the motor at
that point.
Yes, sir, so it's only 9 inchesper inch.

(01:25:17):
You go back on counterweight.
So if you go back 9 inches, 10inches, there's only 90 pounds
of counterweight.
Well, the front of your boatweighs way more than 90 pounds.
So you go ahead to add weightto the transom plus your motor.
Yeah, if that makes sense to you.
So you got to get your boatrocking just right in the water.
Then you got to put the prop toit, you got to put the power to

(01:25:37):
it and the 70 is going to run abig prop anyway.
So you got plenty of bladesurface to run your boat.
You just gotta get thecounterweight just right and
that's your problem.
So going from 6 to 12 doesn'ttell us anything.
It doesn't tell you anythingbecause you're still getting
poor performance.
It's just the weight, it's justyour boat still ain't balanced
because there's too much of agap.

(01:25:58):
So so basically, what I'mtrying to say by you adding four
inches of setback to your sixinches, to say, by you adding
four inches of setback to yoursix inches of just spacers or
homemade lightweight materialdidn't do nothing for you
because you didn't get your 10inches the right way and all

Speaker 4 (01:26:14):
and and also when you did it that way whenever you
built something or uh customizedthe adapter to make it work.
There's really no telling whereyour uh transom angle is.
That's right.

Speaker 5 (01:26:28):
It's two uh cmc breakaways mounted together well
, that's even worse too, becausethose things move too much.

Speaker 4 (01:26:35):
Yeah, that's a lot of movement.

Speaker 5 (01:26:36):
And another thing too when you have that much setback
, when you get off your throttle, that water pushes your prop
and your prop is never set instone, it's never set still.
If that prop isn't set stilland holding that water pressure
on your prop, it doesn't holdyour boat up.
So, for an example, we had acustomer in South Carolina one

(01:26:57):
time had a Gen 2.
He had a 115 Mercury on theboat, ran like crap, ran like
crap, porpoise, porpoise,porpoise, porpoise, porpoise,
ran like crap.
Me and B Scott gets in a truck.
We haul ass all the way toSouth Carolina.
We're like dude, this isterrible.
What is wrong with this boat?
Right?
So we get in this boat.
And then we get B Scott in theboat.
Well, how we races and all thatstuff, well, he knows how to

(01:27:24):
drive a boat.
He about wrecked it twice.
What's going on?
And so I tell the dealer I saidman, I'm sorry.
I told the customer I don'tknow what's wrong with the boat.
I said we're going to get theboat, we're going to come back
to the boat plant, we're goingto check her out, right?
So we get the boat back to theboat plant, we balance it out
and everything.
I said man, it's about nineinches in front of the box, it

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should be there.
I said what's causing thisthing?
And we run it, and we run itand it's still.
We tried so many differentthings.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
We tried everything, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:27:53):
We tried everything, I said what in the world is
causing this crap, this big?
We found out that wheneverwe're running across the water
and that motor was moving solidmotor mounts versus unsolid
motor mounts, right, and themotor moves so much.
Well, on the tiller handle it'sway worse.
So what we found out is thatwhen we pin that jack plate,

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when we pin the jack plate, sheheld the nose up and ran.
Good, that's the onlydifference it was.
And what happened was when thatboat was going over chop and
water and everything and thatprop was dropping.
When that prop was running, itBarely moving.
Barely moving, you'd get offthe throttle, get back on the
throttle, get off the throttle,get on the throttle.
That solid backbone wasn'tthere and that jack plate was

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moving at least a quarter of aninch.
It was dropping the nose of theboat and we could never keep the
boat on the pad.
So we're losing his grip.
It was losing his grip, so whatwe did was we took the uh, the
breakaway off, which I'm not afan of the breakaway.
Unless you're hunting floodedtimber, get the hell away from
the breakaway yeah get away fromit if you're not hunting

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flooded timber.
Don't run a breakaway unlessyou absolutely have to have it
right.
Yeah, that's all the running Iknow, yeah, well, if that's the
case I mean, if you want to goout and float the nose and play
with the bow and set it up andperform it, just like a lot of
people do in the summertime thebest thing to do is figure out a
way to pin or jack plate.
Okay, because that's going togive you the best performance

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out of your prop is a pin orjack plate.
But long story short, I knowI'm long-winded here, but the
fixed customer's boat.
All we had to do was pin it andit stopped it.
And it was that easy.

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
Totally different boat when you pinned it.

Speaker 5 (01:29:39):
Yeah, and we tell people that all the time they're
like that's bullshit, it's notgoing to work, it's because of
the lower unit, and we tellpeople that all the time they're
like that's bullshit.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
It's not going to work.
It's because of the lower unit.
You know, it's just so big,catches so much water and
pressure that I mean any timethat you're hitting chop or
waves or anything, it justchanges it to the slightest
amount.
I mean what causes it to slamdown and hop and do all kinds of
crap?

Speaker 5 (01:29:59):
Well, you get back to solid motor mounts and solid
motor mounts.
Why don't they put solid motormounts on motors, yeah, well,
yeah, I don't know why we wantto do that yeah, I mean, why is
that?

Speaker 1 (01:30:08):
why is that a deal?

Speaker 4 (01:30:10):
I know why we did it racing.
Why?
Why, for when you hit it,there's no give, it just goes
yeah, but why though?

Speaker 5 (01:30:16):
but why is it give?
I mean, you don't want to giveright, you want, you want to
prompt, to stay connected yougot to keep vibration, keep it.

Speaker 4 (01:30:22):
You want to prompt, to stay connected to the water.

Speaker 5 (01:30:24):
So that's what the solid motor mounts are for, and
that's kind of what thesebreakaway jack plates are doing
to all these people and he hastwo, technically two, two
breakaways I would almost saythat's definitely a lot of the
problem yeah, so that's what Iwould do.
That's what I would do, man,the main reason that I did.

Speaker 4 (01:30:40):
It was.
So we've had a, we had had a19RDB, and then we've had two
22s DVSTs and I was trying totry it out, for mainly because
of the cutback, and I understandit's different, the whole
design's different, the cutout'sdifferent, everything else
Right.
So I was trying to try to, Iguess, homemade, just to try it

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to see, and I just haven'tswitched it back yet to try.

Speaker 5 (01:31:09):
Yeah, I would definitely switch it back.
The RDB is going to give you alot higher dead rise, so you're
going to be able to tilt the bowand pick up top end speed more
than you will an 8-degree hull.
Pick up top end speed more thanyou will an 8-degree hole.
The only way an 8-degree holewill actually float to nose and
have fun with a float to nosekind of deal is you're going to

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have to bury the stern in thewater just a little bit and you
see it all over TikTok right now.
You see everybody riding thesebig waves of water and their
stern and their boat is sixinches below the water.

Speaker 4 (01:31:43):
Yeah, that's not fast .
No, that's not water.
Yeah, that's not fast.
No, that's not fast, it's notfast.

Speaker 5 (01:31:47):
It's not fast and they can hold a nine-degree turn
on the plug, they say.
But they don't tell everybodytheir plug is six inches under
the water, so they're not reallyon the plug, they're burying
their plug.
It should be like turning yourboat burying the plug.

Speaker 4 (01:32:03):
Right.
So my biggest thing is I'venever tried to set my boat up
for just me.
I know what it would run justme with 12 inches of setback On
the big end.
It does run better because atthat point it takes a bigger
gear prop, a bigger pitch prop,all that stuff and eventually I
can get there.
But that's not what I'm after.

(01:32:24):
I'm after two people hunt, loadfast as I can get it how I need
it out the hole big in at thesame time, which you can't have.
That but you can.
You can have somewhat of amedium and that's mainly what
I'm looking for.
But I just don't quite knowwhere to how to get there Go

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with an 8-inch Gen 3, 8-inchBob's or just a standard 8-inch
jack plate.
Or just a heavy one-piece yes,one-piece solid unit, yeah, but
he's hunting loads, so he'llhave to have a breakaway.
Well, if that's the case, Imean a.

Speaker 5 (01:33:01):
Circle S builds a good breakaway.
8-inch manual jack plate.
Yeah, they do it's pretty heavyand you know it's around 47
pounds, you know.
And then move your batteries.
You need to balance your boat.
Figure out where your balancepoint is on your boat, right.

(01:33:22):
Figure that out and move yourbatteries as far back as you can
and that's where you're goingto be.
But you want to stay away fromadding setback on top of setback
on top of setback, even if youtry, like a lot of people think
that.
Like a lot of people thinksetback is the key, but it's
actually the weight on thetransom is the key and people

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experiment with multiplesetbacks.
But in your case you havemultiple moving parts of
setbacks, which makes it evenworse and it discourages you
because you don't know which wayto go.

Speaker 4 (01:33:53):
I can only imagine the frustration.

Speaker 5 (01:33:57):
So get with Circle S.
They got a good heavy-duty,8-inch breakaway jack plate.
You can run.
That's a good option for you.
You can go with a Vance or aBob's and Bob's makes.
These adapters are solidaluminum.
That is way better thanC-Channel or anything else you
can buy.
You want something solid andyou can add that to your motor

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side, not on your transom side.
You don't want to ever addextensions on the transom
between your setback, becausewhen the motor goes down
basically you know what I'mtalking about when you hole shot
it, that water's coming off ofthe bottom of your boat and it's
hitting the edge of your jackplate.

(01:34:42):
So you want the shorter amountof setback further out towards
your motor Yep Right See what.
I'm saying so you can do thatas well.

Speaker 4 (01:34:54):
That's kind of what I figured would happen.
So much back there for one, themoving parts, and for two, the
water spring obviously on thecavitation plate.
Because I mean, once you setback so far, obviously the rule
of thumb is for every inch back,every inch back, you go up.
What a quarter of an inch?
That's right?
Yes, sir, right.
So I mean I kind of paidattention to it and seeing that

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the water was actually hittingthe cavitation plate, so
obviously it's picking the backof the boat up naturally, yeah,
just from the spray, yeah, justfrom the spray?

Speaker 5 (01:35:25):
Yep, it picks up naturally.
Then what your biggest problemis getting the counterweight to
lift your bowel abuse a littlebit, right.
So do you think eight inches isabout where I need to be?
I'm a fan of eight inches oneverything.
I wish I had everything, eightinches personally but eight
inches, eight inches, yeah,eight inches is better on there,
just personally.

(01:35:45):
But you know, eight inches,eight inches, yeah, eight inches
is better on there.
Just about anything you can run.
Unless you're running, uh arcsoff the timber and you need to
keep the boat flat, you know,and that's, that's a little
different, that's a littledifferent situation.
But, um, eight inches is goodon pretty much everything.
Uh, based off of uh four strokemotor weights and what they're
building nowadays, um, if you gotwo-stroke you get a little

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more power, you can overcome theweight of the motor.
But eight inches is a good ruleof thumb.
I'm a big fan of the Gen 3s.
I'm a big fan of Bob's theweight of their jack plates.

Speaker 1 (01:36:17):
A good solid heavy jack plate man.

Speaker 5 (01:36:21):
And if you want something, manual Circle s
builds a good badass, one of thebest jack plates you can buy
for a manual jack plate.
It's a rapid jack.
I don't know if you're familiarwith rapid jacks, but they're
super awesome jack plates.

Speaker 4 (01:36:34):
If you don't want to go the hydraulic route, that's
who I would go with no, I mean,I've seen 10 inches, haven't
seen 12, and I don't see a lotof 8s.
That's mainly why I was asking.

Speaker 1 (01:36:46):
Yeah yeah.
I like 8s.
Well, you know there's a lot ofpeople that'll do just like you
did.
You know they'll put stufftogether.
They might have a 6-inch, theymight put 4-inch spacer plates
on and you know, in somesituations you can get away with
that.
But you know, like, like dad'ssaying, you know the weight and
the inches of setback togetheris what makes it work.

(01:37:09):
You know you gotta have.

Speaker 4 (01:37:11):
You know, like, like you said earlier, you have to
have girth and length you know,you can't just have wings, man,
all right, I mean, if you'redoing it all with racing, I mean
just for I, I said I, I set upmy stuff.
For any of my buddies thatthat's asked for help, it's
always been to try to set up fora hunt load, not to race.

(01:37:31):
You know, I mean we don't.
We don't really have a lot ofthose races down here.
Besides I think there was onethe other week, but for the most
part I mean we don't.
It's mainly on the river.

Speaker 5 (01:37:44):
Uh, uh, mean, we don't, it's mainly on the river
Once we get off here.
If you have some time, get onBob's website.
I want you to look at something.
I want you to look at theiraction hydro, their jack plates,
their hydraulic jack plates.
Then also look back.
Also look at their Gen 3 jackplates, okay, and compare the
size, the weights of those jackplates.
Okay, and compare the size, theweights of those jack plates

(01:38:07):
and, yes, the Gen 3, look at theGen 3 jack plates and also look
at their standard hydraulicjack plates.
And I want you to compare theGen 3s with the action jack
plates, the weight differencebetween a 10-inch and a 10-inch
and an 8-inch and an 8-inch anda 4 and a 4 or 6 or a 6.
And that will tell you a lotabout that.
A lot of people think that theweight of the Gen 3 is because

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it's a four-beater horsepowermotor, but in our case it's
counterweight.
Okay, so you could almost getaway with a smaller setback with
the Gen 3, as you could with alonger setback with the standard
action jack.
You know, whatever you want tocall it, bobs, and so that gen 3
would give you a better wholeshot with a smaller jack plate

(01:38:53):
and also give you the sameeffect.
But but definitely check intothat and a lot of people's not
understanding that and they'renot seeing it, because advanced
kicking jack weighs 49.5 and, uh, you know, bob's uh, bob's six
inch kicking jack weighs 49, sothey're a half a pound within

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each other.
But that's not your ticket.
You know you're wanting to beup there in the 70 80 pounds on
your transom, uh, and that'sgoing to get you where you need
to be.
So, and do all that, check itout, get your boat balanced.

Speaker 1 (01:39:34):
Yeah, if you have any questions, man just holler back
at us.

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
Text us, holler us.

Speaker 5 (01:39:36):
Whatever I appreciate it, I hope we helped you out,
man.
Yes, sir, man.

Speaker 1 (01:39:39):
Thank you.
All right, buddy, have a goodone.
Thank you, bye, bye.
Thank you all right, buddy,have a good one.
Thank you bye.
We know like you.
You know, in that situation inmy mind, for a hunt load which I
don't know, he might I guess hemight be could be hunting a
little bit different, but with a553 dbst, with a 70 on it, it's

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gonna with a 12 inches.
To me that seems crazy, becausethat four strokes heavy.
You know that's a heavy motor.

Speaker 5 (01:40:08):
That's why I need to get on there and look, because I
mean, that's what a lot ofpeople don't understand.
I mean you get on there.
A lot of people I'm tellingwhat I'm seeing on the internet.
What I'm thinking on theinternet is people think setback
, setback, setbacks the key, butthey don't understand why it's
the key yeah, well, you knowthey don't understand that I
mean you've raced for years withtwo inches setback two inches
yeah no girth, you know no.

Speaker 1 (01:40:30):
All right, so two inches no girth we talked about
skinny we're talking aboutskinny two inches here we got
away with it with just power.
We got a lot of power to themotor, you know, and even though
the motor wasn't very heavy, westill had a lot of power.
Yeah, so, with this situation,that 70 yamaha on a 1553 it's.

Speaker 5 (01:40:55):
I don't, I don't really agree.
That's the best setup I don'tthink it's rest but I mean it is
doable but that, but that's alot of butt on that motor.

Speaker 3 (01:41:05):
It's a lot of weight hanging off of that.
You really don't know, thoughyou really don't.
I mean I guess you don't.

Speaker 5 (01:41:09):
The 70 is a lighter motor than most of them.
But you really don't know,because you really got to figure
out where the bounce point ofthe boat is.
We can sit here and guess allday long and what our advice is
is based off of our experiences.
Yeah, but we really don't know.
I mean we would never put a 70on a 553, so we don't have the
data to back it up.
So I don't know where thebalance point of that boat is.

(01:41:31):
I would say it's since themotor's lighter than most.
It's about normal.
You know the prop selection forthat motor's going to be least.
It's not going to be as much asa 59 cubic inch motor or the.

Speaker 4 (01:41:42):
Tazis, right, it's not going to be as much as a 59
cubic inch motor or the righttwo.
So right, if you remember right, your uh banker had a 553 or
556, one of the two, with a 70yamaha.
Yeah, I absolutely hated thatboat.
Yeah, I hate that same scenarioand

Speaker 5 (01:41:54):
and what we end up doing.
We end up giving uh a beginner1860 with a 70 yamaha and
absolutely loves the boat yeahyou know, um, it's almost like
with that lower unit.

Speaker 1 (01:42:06):
You know it's like power to weight, got big gears.
Yeah, power to weight.
It's just an unhappy packageyou can make it happy.

Speaker 3 (01:42:14):
I think it goes back to what you're saying earlier,
that a lot of people don'trealize a big boat is not a slow
boat yeah, right sometimes abig boat is the boat to go with.
Well, you know and and exactlyright.

Speaker 5 (01:42:23):
The more we dig into this, more we see this, we see
that, uh, people think small isfast yeah it's not the case.

Speaker 1 (01:42:29):
No, it's not the case people think light is fast too,
and it's not the case either itall depends on balance and
setup if a heavy boat.

Speaker 5 (01:42:39):
If, if a heavy boat set up right, with the right
prop and it's balanced right,it's gonna be just as fast as a
light boat.
Now, a light boat's set upright, with the right prop and
it's balanced right, it's goingto be just as fast as a light
boat.
Now, a light boat might getthere faster, quicker, quicker,
but at the top end it's going tobe.

Speaker 1 (01:42:53):
I mean it's there and I will say in certain
situations you take a 550.
Say we had a 550.

Speaker 5 (01:42:59):
I'm talking about a production heavy boat, okay.
Let's talk about the damn 200pound 660 drag boat.
I'm talking about a normalright, you're right day boat.
Yes, okay, before all ourpeople get on there say that's
bullshit I ain't talking aboutthat damn 150 pound yeah,
heavier boat would have been.

Speaker 3 (01:43:17):
A heavier boat would have been nice, uh, last
saturday at the races I mean,yeah, stuff that was going on
there.

Speaker 5 (01:43:22):
Yeah, you run a 600 pound, you run six 700 pound
race, but you will beateverybody oh yeah.
Yeah, I don't know about lastsaturday, but yes, on good water
yeah, yeah, good water, yeah, Imean, yeah, I want that you,
you want to throw that boatcutting water, you know, pushing
through it.

Speaker 4 (01:43:40):
It's bouncing all over the place, you know you
gotta have the girth and yougotta have the throat.
You gotta have the girth andthe throat good lord make

Speaker 2 (01:43:48):
a happy boat now we got girth length and throat you
gotta have all three and a happyboat.

Speaker 5 (01:43:53):
Yeah, what the fuck was that dude?

Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
hey, what's going on?
You're on off the clock with bscott.
I got daryl moore, mich MichaelShockley and Tim Scott with me.

Speaker 4 (01:44:09):
I'm calling from Benton.

Speaker 1 (01:44:11):
Oh dude, what's going on, man.

Speaker 4 (01:44:14):
Not a whole lot, man.
I pretty much got set upfigured out, but what I see a
lot of is people with theirtrailers set up wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:44:25):
All right, let's talk about the trailer.

Speaker 4 (01:44:27):
That's a good subject .

Speaker 5 (01:44:28):
That is a good subject.
Yeah, a damn good subject.

Speaker 4 (01:44:31):
I see bunks, you know , up under the boat.

Speaker 5 (01:44:37):
You're talking about the edge of the bunk too far
inside the boat.

Speaker 4 (01:44:42):
Yeah, yeah, I agree with that, or the front of the
boat not touching the bumps?
Yes, bouncing down the road.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:44:49):
Or you see bow eyes on top of the rollers.

Speaker 5 (01:44:53):
Well, this is a really good subject to talk
about.
I feel like I have the shot atme.
Let's talk about the wishboneof the trailer, Brandon, and how
it?
Flexes and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:45:03):
Yeah, man, trailers are super important.
Uh, and a lot of times you seepeople you know they'll have
their boat set up on the trailerand, like the runners, won't be
flat on a space in between thekeels, it might be kicked up on
a keel or they might be on thevery outside of the boat or your
hands got the front end pickedup a little bit yeah, I mean I'm

(01:45:24):
pulling down on the bow eye andripping the bow eye out, yep,
so the trailer is supposed tofit the boat like a glove, as in
.
The boat's not being crankeddown in the front, it's not
being picked up off the bunks inthe front, you know the bow
stand needs to be the properheight, you know, so that
whenever the boat is up on thetrailer, the whole running

(01:45:46):
surface of the boat, the flatpart of the boat, is touching
the flat part of the board.
You know all the way up anddown it.
So what's?

Speaker 5 (01:45:53):
your problem with your trailer.
No boat's hanging off the back.
You just want us to talk aboutthe subject, or you got an issue
or what.
What's going on?

Speaker 4 (01:46:01):
No, I don't have an issue.
I have before.
But you know, I had to learnthe hard way and I just hate
seeing people having to learnthe hard way.
I understand yeah.
We might put that informationout there.

Speaker 5 (01:46:15):
You know, a lot of people don't realize that the
trailer is the backbone of the,the boat is the backbone of the
trailer, oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:46:23):
Trailers are actually weak until the boat's on right.

Speaker 5 (01:46:27):
Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of situations where I've
seen where it cracked transomsand cracked brakes because they
got the uh, they got the boatstrapped down with turnbuckles
you know those trap buckles,where you call them and the
trailer's flexing all over theplace and when the trailer
flexes it just puts that boat inthe bind and it cracks the boat
out.
You know, I feel like go aheadI feel like.

Speaker 4 (01:46:50):
I feel like it's a lot easier to tear one up on the
trailer than it is the woods.

Speaker 1 (01:46:55):
I agree with you on that and a lot of boats on the
off of a trailer before I meannot only, but like we have a
book video on Havoc YouTube thatwe kind of showed the proper
setup of a trailer.
But a lot of times you knowyou'll see a guy that might have
a really flimsy trailer and,like you know, during duck

(01:47:16):
season you're hauling ass downthese dirt roads and your boat's
bouncing or your trailer'sbouncing or your wheel's coming
off the ground and, like yousaid, you know, that's where I
feel like most boats get damaged.
Oh yeah, jumping medians.
Yeah, I mean, without a doubt,who does that?

Speaker 5 (01:47:33):
I, I agree, I agree.
I mean I mean a lot of thedamage, the what, the what.
You know when I tell peoplewhen they have an issue with a
boat, no matter what brand it is, because they all bust up here
and there, but you know that'snot going to bust up sitting in
the yard, that's right.
So it either busts up on theroad or busts up on the water.

Speaker 1 (01:47:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:47:54):
And you've got to figure out where the trouble's
coming from, and the majority ofit is the trailer.
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:48:00):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (01:48:00):
You know the trailer, these trailer companies build
these boats, these boat trailers, with the axle in the wrong
spot.
There's too much tongue weight,too less tongue weight.
I mean, you see it all the time, you see it all the time and
it's a battle.
Some trailers got littlerollers on the back, some
doesn't.
You see boats without transomsavers.

(01:48:21):
Some have it.
Some trailers don't even have aspot for the transom saver.
No it's ridiculous, I mean it iscrazy and you know what's crazy
about especially an Arkansasduck hunter especially an
Arkansas duck hunter or SouthCarolina duck hunters are really
bad too is they buy a really,really, really nice boat, but
they buy the cheapest trailerout there.

Speaker 4 (01:48:42):
Especially in South Carolina.

Speaker 5 (01:48:44):
Yeah, south Carolina, yep, but they buy the cheapest
trailer out there especially insouth carolina, yeah, south
carolina, yeah, yeah and uh, youknow b scott had a mod 40 to.
You know his race boat and youknow it cracked out a couple
times, right, and we're like,why is it cracking out?
The snow should be cracking out, right.
And so we went back and said,okay, let's, let's, let's order,
let's build a really heavy dutytorsion axle trailer.

(01:49:05):
And the trailer was super heavy, had torsion axles on it and it
was pulled like a dream.
It was balanced right, itpulled really good, it was a
super heavy trailer and our boatnever cracked out again.
Yeah, that was last time,correct.

Speaker 1 (01:49:17):
Last time it cracked and it was because the trailer
wasn't flexing yep, I'll tellyou what a good way to check
your trailer is like wheneveryour boat is in the water and
you go back.
You go grab your truck andtrailer, pull it, jump on your
wishbone of your boat on oneside.
You will see how much yourtrailer will actually flex,
unhook the bowline.

Speaker 5 (01:49:38):
With no boat on your trailer, unhook the bowline and
jump on your wishbone.

Speaker 1 (01:49:49):
Then hook your bowline and jump on your
wishbone.
Oh then hook your bow up, thenjump on your wishbone and tell
me that that boat don't putstrength in your trailer.
Yeah, oh yeah, it does 100.

Speaker 4 (01:49:52):
It is insane the amount of flex these trailers
have.

Speaker 5 (01:49:53):
I'm always talking to people about how important it
is for your boat to fit yourtrailer right yeah nine out of
ten times when a warranty repaircomes to the boat plant, the
first thing we look at is thetrailer.

Speaker 1 (01:50:02):
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 5 (01:50:03):
And the trailer tells the story.

Speaker 4 (01:50:05):
It does 100%.
You get out there, out east,they got some.

Speaker 5 (01:50:12):
I mean, I don't know where they found some, you just
got back from out east getting awarranty bow and the bow got
back here and the trailer washomemade.

Speaker 4 (01:50:21):
It looked homemade.
I don't know if it was no itwas homemade.

Speaker 5 (01:50:24):
It was homemade.
It looked homemade.
I don't know if it was.
No, it was homemade.

Speaker 1 (01:50:28):
It was definitely homemade and the trailer itself
was cracked.

Speaker 5 (01:50:29):
Yeah, the trailer was cracked.
We got in trouble because theboat was cracked, but this old
trailer was cracked.

Speaker 4 (01:50:33):
Yeah, I pull up like dang, I got to pull this thing
back.

Speaker 5 (01:50:35):
10 hours he yelled at me because his boat was cracked
, but then I got to yell at himbecause his trailer was cracked.
I'm, I'm like back at you bubba.

Speaker 1 (01:50:43):
Yeah, I mean, it goes hand in hand.
Man like you gotta think.
You have an aluminum boatthat's tied down in at least
three spots on the trailer.
If we're going down the highwayand that trailer, if it didn't
have a boat on it, would flex,it's trying to do that.
Still, the boat itself beingtied to that trailer in the
three spots that it is is thestructure in the backbone behind

(01:51:07):
the trailer that keeps itsquare.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
So you got, you got to thinkthat trailer's trying to do this
on all them bumps and stuff.
You're going down them dirtroads and your trailer would if
your boat wasn't tied to it.
Well, if your boat's tied to it, where's the, where's the wear
on the boat at?
Well, I tell you where it's at.
It's at, it's on the rakes.
Yep, it's on the four cornersof the boat.

Speaker 5 (01:51:27):
It's on the transom, it's on the motor, it's on the
transom itself, and I don't givea shit what you say.
Those leaf springs don't takeall the experience.

Speaker 1 (01:51:39):
They don't, man.
I'll tell you one thing Goingto the racesite, you know, all
weekend long, I remember, on aregular trailer with springs on
it, my ass would be so sore andmy back would hurt at the end of
the weekend.
But when we got the torsionaxle trailer, man, it was a
dream man.
It rode back there.
I could sit back there in theboat and ride all the way back

(01:52:00):
to the tent.

Speaker 5 (01:52:00):
You done got us fired up on these damn trailers, man
way back to the tent.

Speaker 4 (01:52:08):
You don't got us fired up on these damn trailers,
man.
Well, I feel like I see so manyon like marketplace that are
for sale and the bunks are likeup under the boat.
And one guy was like I don'tknow how to get this rdb to lift
and I mean I feel like he had aquarter mercury and six as a
kicking jack.
I feel like that was plenty.

Speaker 5 (01:52:26):
Yeah, it just depends , though you never know.
I mean, you never know.

Speaker 4 (01:52:30):
I probably don't put a hook under it.
That's another thing too.
That's what.

Speaker 1 (01:52:32):
I'm saying that's another thing too.
You never know If the back ofyour boat, like where the
transom meets the bottom right,Say it's like this where the
transom meets the bottom, Ifit's hanging off the end of the
bunks, you've got to think ithas to be beaten right there on
the bottom of the boat where thetransom's right here the only

(01:52:53):
way it can move is in over time.
So you see people beating hooksinto their boats on the trailer
all the time.

Speaker 5 (01:53:03):
I guess they might not know that or maybe their
trailer's too short, not theright size I think, whatever it
is, I think the people's conceptis just buy a boat by the
cheapest trailer, who cares, aslong as it's moving and set up.

Speaker 4 (01:53:13):
They'll leave set up out.

Speaker 1 (01:53:14):
They'll buy the cheapest setup too, and then why
don't it run cheap jack, playcheap trailer?
It's all the same thing.
You're gonna get the resultsthat you pay for.

Speaker 4 (01:53:23):
See, I'm a completely opposite man Like if I'm going
to mop the floor, I'm buying thebest damn mop I can find.

Speaker 5 (01:53:30):
You know I don't want no shitty mop.
You know what I'm saying Lessdrugs is, better man.
It is.
But you know, we see it all thetime.
We see it all the time.
I'm glad we got able to callyou back and talk about trailers
.
Absolutely, you're right.
Some people don't think aboutthe trailers.
I know we do, because we havelike $4,000 trailers to haul our

(01:53:52):
race boats around, because wedon't want to weld them up all
the time, and it's not, you know.
I mean you don't haul hay on ashitty trailer.
I mean most log trucks, you see, you run down the road their
trailers are like shit, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:54:07):
And the logs of the structure behind them too.

Speaker 5 (01:54:09):
Yeah, without logs and things are all over the
place, you know.
So it makes a lot of sense.
I think a lot of people don'tdon't understand that how a
trailer actually works and forpeople watching this.

Speaker 1 (01:54:19):
We have a walk through video on trailers on the
happy boat youtube Boat.
Youtube yeah, so it's on one ofthe Havoc Boat's how-tos.
It's a great video.
It kind of shows you.
It's not real super crazy indepth, but it shows you the
basics of what you need to havewith your trailer.

Speaker 5 (01:54:35):
I think the most important thing is get your boat
on the trailer, make sure it'sflat on the bunks and adjust
your bow stand to your bow eyewhere it keeps a little bit of
pressure on, not only that.

Speaker 1 (01:54:43):
But when you're loading the boat, all right, how
many people roll up and justsmash their, their bow, stand
with the, with the front oftheir boat.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, I'll see.
You see it all the time.
Those about their seat whenthey hit it.
Oh yeah, I mean man.
I mean, if your boat isproperly, if your trailer is set
up properly, you won't run intothat kind of problem.
Yeah, it's all on setup guys,trailer and boats and everything

(01:55:05):
man, make your whole lifeeasier if you just set it up so
you're from benton, arkansas?

Speaker 5 (01:55:10):
yes, sir, it's cool man, that's cool.
Well, we ain't too far from youno, not at all.

Speaker 4 (01:55:16):
Uh well, this past weekend I drove past y'all's
factory cool yeah, uh, just whatare you doing down here?
I went to the same, or oh I hadto leave early, I had to.

Speaker 1 (01:55:32):
I had to have a dog put down, but sorry about that
yeah, sad, that's a what now Itell you, as that's one thing
that sucks worse than suckytrailers and set up Dogs don't
live long enough.
No, they don't.
They don't live long enough,man Well, I appreciate you
calling man.
You brought something up wehadn't thought about today, and

(01:55:55):
that kind of stuff out therewill help a lot of people.

Speaker 4 (01:55:57):
Yeah, it's a good subject.

Speaker 1 (01:55:59):
And I think that's going to wrap it up for us today
.
Actually, You're up to our lastcall.
Yeah, we thought we'd call youback.
Try to get you on the phone andsee what you have.
Man, I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:56:10):
Me too.
Y'all have a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:56:11):
You too, man.
Have a good day Later.
All right, you know, that'ssomething we ain't thought about
, you know.
It ain't I mean it's something,but it's important.

Speaker 5 (01:56:21):
Nobody ever, no one ever.

Speaker 1 (01:56:23):
And a lot of people don't ask questions about that,
they just assume it's okay.
It's not, I guess, an importantpart, you know, to the boat,
something that probably getsslept on, but it is, but it is.

Speaker 3 (01:56:32):
It's a very important part.

Speaker 4 (01:56:40):
It's one of the most important parts, I mean if they
don't rough.

Speaker 5 (01:56:42):
it can be if you don't think it's important, try
to build a house on a shittyslab.
You know a shitty foundation.
I mean you're not gonna build anot yet two hundred thousand
dollar, three hundred thousand,our house on a shitty ass
foundation, huh right, so itmakes a big difference it does,
man, why, guys?

Speaker 1 (01:56:57):
I think we're about out of time.
That wraps it up.
Uh, guys, if we weren't able tocall you back or we couldn't
get you on the phone, man, sorryabout that.
We have a lot of people callingat the same time.
We try to do our best to geteverybody taken care of, but
when you see this video, drop acomment.
We'll try to hit you up and getyour phone number so we can
call you on the next one.
It's something we're going totry to do a lot of.
Do it more.

Speaker 5 (01:57:29):
I would say we're here to help, but we always have
been, so yeah, I think weshould do this stuff more often.
I don't think you see a lot ofpodcasts like this.

Speaker 1 (01:57:32):
No, we're gonna try to make it a regular thing.
So, guys, we couldn't get youon this one.
We're gonna try our best to getyou on the next one and really
be honest we.

Speaker 4 (01:57:39):
It educates us too, it does I think we should start
taking more notes and keeping upwith who's who and do a podcast
of calling people back,checking on Follow-ups.
That's good idea, Shockley, youknow we're always learning too.

Speaker 5 (01:57:53):
We can always learn something.
Yeah, you know, just because webuild the bus will mean we're
too good to learn something.
So we you know, we havecustomers that teach us stuff
all the time, prop selectionsetups and everything else.
I mean they might be doingsomething we're not doing or we
didn't try, and so you know.
So podcasts like this reallyhelps everybody and we're not.

Speaker 3 (01:58:10):
We're not afraid of criticism either I mean if you
guys have something to say andthey should think when two
people can call and tell themwhy they think their boat's the
best, whatever boat it is.
Yeah, that'd be interesting,like tell us like.

Speaker 1 (01:58:21):
If you guys like to see people calling in saying
they're making model what theygot and why they think it's the
best.

Speaker 5 (01:58:27):
I'd like to hear that .

Speaker 3 (01:58:28):
Me too.
I mean, I feel like a lot ofpeople want to know that It'd be
a good podcast because like iteducates.
You know I'd be like.
Why'd you pick it?
Why do you think it's the best?

Speaker 1 (01:58:38):
And then we'd tell you know, whatever I would love,
I think that would be a goodone.

Speaker 3 (01:58:41):
Let people call us and tell us why.

Speaker 5 (01:58:42):
It don't matter what brand boat you drive, whatever
call in.

Speaker 3 (01:58:45):
Call in, tell us why.
Tell us why you like it.

Speaker 5 (01:58:46):
Let's talk about it, and if you drive something that
we don't build, we'll help youfix your boat.

Speaker 4 (01:58:50):
Yeah, I talk to customers every week, that's hey
.
I listen to your podcast.
I have a blanket, blanket boat.
I think it'd just a custom boat.

Speaker 5 (01:59:05):
It won't run right, so we was able to help him.
Unless you want to get past 60,70 miles an hour, that's where
Havoc really shines on certainmodels.
That's kind of what wespecialize in.
The MSTC is a durable boat.
It's a badass boat.
You, the MSTC, is a durableboat.
It's a badass boat.
It gets RDBs and marsh runners.

(01:59:26):
We definitely specialize incertain things in the industry,
but overall, though, boatsreally work the same.

Speaker 1 (01:59:36):
Yeah, it's the same physics that go into it.
It doesn't matter if it's bassboats we're talking about or if
it's two-handle boats.
I mean, you're always going tohave water, you're going to have
power and you're going to havebalance.
You've got to find a happymedium between all of them.
And it doesn't matter whatbrand it is.
It doesn't matter.
If you don't have a Havoc andyou have questions about getting
a Havoc or you don't want aHavoc, whatever it may be, just
call us and he'll tell us aboutit.

Speaker 5 (01:59:55):
Edge Ambush Excel Express.
We don.
We all love them.
That's right.

Speaker 1 (02:00:01):
Give us a call, reach out and we'll be glad to help
Guys, if you like this and youwant to see more of this, you
want to see this in a little bitdifferent way, let us know in
the comments.
Don't forget to check out theGear Shop too.
Tons of merch, tons of props.
We've got jack plates on there.
We've got a little bit ofeverything, man, other than that
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