Trapping 101 | Ep081 | Off The Clock with B Scott - Off The Clock with B Scott

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SPEAKER_04 (00:00):
It's five o'clock in your Alpha Cogle Beast Scott.
Today we have our guests CharlieBast and Tabitha Bast.
They are not related, but theyare both a part of the Arkansas
Trappers Association.
Now, what they're going to talkabout today is trapping.
The different kinds of trappers.
You got your nuisance trappers,you got your fur trappers, what
they do, what they're goingafter.
The goals the same, but a littlebit different.

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We're going to go with differentkinds of traps, how to trap
bobcats, coyotes, beavers,minks, all of it.
We're going to cover it all.
Chocolate's done a little bit oftrapping, not very successful,
but he's tried it.
So hopefully these guys canteach Chocolate how to get the
job done, and we're going tolearn a few things about
trapping.
So before we get into it though,make sure you leave a like,
subscribe, hit the bell fornotifications, and let's jump

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in.
Well, let's get right into this.
So what is the Arkansas TrappersAssociation?
Like what exactly is it?

SPEAKER_01 (00:51):
Okay, the Arkansas Trappers Association is uh it it
came together in 1975.
Uh it's been around a whole lot.
It has.
It's been around for a longtime.

SPEAKER_00 (00:59):
We just celebrated our 50th anniversary.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02):
It's awesome.
And our biggest thing that wepush is conservation and
education.
Education being the biggest one.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10):
And the reason for that is if if people don't know,
then they have a perception ofwhat somebody else has told
them.
So if somebody tells yousomething's bad, evil, or cruel,
and you don't know that it'snot, then you don't know what's
going on.
Exactly.
And the other is to educatepeople on making proper sets,
uh, ethics, safety and trapping,uh, animal welfare and trapping.

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Um and that's what we do.
We have programs we put on everyyear.
Uh we have one-day workshops.
Uh we've got a three-dayworkshop coming up that's really
a bargain for a family of five,sixty bucks, and we put you up
for two nights, feed you allyour meals, and you get all this
trapping information.
That's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_00 (01:48):
That's how I got started.
Really?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:50):
So how long how long have you been doing it?

SPEAKER_00 (01:52):
Um, I think this is my fourth year.

SPEAKER_04 (01:55):
Fourth year?
You're relatively new to thegame.

SPEAKER_00 (01:59):
And I went from brand new out of the box to
killing it.
Like, I mean just passionateabout it.
Yep.
I was born on the last day ofdeer season in '78, and I
started hunting.
My dad had me on the stand thenext year, and I've been an avid
deer hunter my whole life.
And four years ago when I metTrappin', I was like, I can't
wait for deer season to be overwith.

SPEAKER_04 (02:20):
So how long have you been trapping?

SPEAKER_01 (02:22):
Over 40 years.
Wow.
Over 40 years.
Uh been in association since 92.
Uh, but trapping for me startedwhen I was actually younger than
than than that.
Uh back in my when I was in myall probably 12, 13, 14 years
old.
We had a little lady that liveddown the road from us.
She was a widow woman.
Uh, her name was Mithita theOliver.

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And she uh had these fur fishinggame magazines, and she would
loan us one.
And when I say loan, I mean youhad to take it back to get the
next issue.

SPEAKER_04 (02:51):
So you're like she was holding it hostage.
You weren't going to be able todo it.

SPEAKER_01 (02:54):
I I would read that thing from cover to cover.

SPEAKER_04 (02:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (02:56):
And and the unique thing about that magazine is
it's here.
It's not over in Africa, it'snot somewhere else's.
It's here in in areas that wedeal with.
Right.
And when you're a kid and you'rereading these stories about the
Adirondacks or Alaska and you'rethese guys mushing through the
snow or they're camping out andthey're catching all this fur
and stuff, it's it's reallyfascinating.

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And so that's more what got meinto it because my dad was a
coon hunter.
He was a big coon hunter, that'swhat he did.
He he coon hunted all the time,and we coon hunted religiously.
But the trapping part for me waswhen I got married uh to my wife
sitting over Cindy.
Um I got married to her and westarted trapping, and I've never

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looked back on it.
I've I've done it ever since.
And it's just uh it's just oneof those things when you start
doing it, it gets in your blood.
Yeah, it does.
It does, it it really does, andit's amazing how how it it it
tunes you to nature more becauseyou know you're trying to get an
animal a lot of times to put hisfoot in a two-inch spot in a

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hundred acre field.

SPEAKER_04 (04:01):
Which makes yeah, it makes me gotta be very
strategic.

SPEAKER_01 (04:04):
You're you're not sitting in a deer stand watching
twenty deer come out to thecornpile.
You're you're trying to get thatcoyote or that bobcat to put his
foot in a two-inch circle in themiddle of a hundred acre field.
And that that takes takes skilland it takes patience and it
takes learning.
A lot of mistakes.

SPEAKER_00 (04:20):
I'd like you you have to mess up so many times in
order to get it right.
But it's it's uh that's how youlearn, you know.
You and and the more you messup, the more you pay attention.
The more you pay attention, thebetter you get, you know, you
you you learn like and and weuse game cameras sometimes, but
sometimes it's it's adisadvantage as much as it is an

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advantage.
I can see that.
And so I can see that.
You know, and it but but I meanyou learn from it and you it
just makes you better from fromthe mistakes.
I mean, you can go to all theseworkshops, you can do all the
things that we you know, we wedo our best to teach people
everything that we that we know,but you're gonna have to mess up

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on your own.
Like you just you can't.

SPEAKER_04 (05:04):
Yeah, the real world, like taking it to the
real world, taking it like goingto a spot and analyzing it and
being like, okay, I know there'sthis game in the area, where are
they moving?
Right.
And breaking it down, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (05:17):
And it and it is, and and you're looking at a lot
of different aspects when you'retrapping out there, and and
mistakes, like she said, you'regonna make mistakes.
Don't be scared of mistakes.
If you have a trap that'sthrowed and it's pulled out
here, why was it pulled outthere?
Why was it throwed?
What did you do?
Did you not have your pantension set right?
Did you not have your trapbedded right?
Uh, you know, there's there'sstuff like that.

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Uh play in the wind.
You have to play the wind.
Probably more so than you dodeer hunting or duck hunting.
And the reason you play the windis because if if you're sitting
in a say a big field or a woodlot or whatever, if your wind
predominantly blows from onedirection, you want your trap
over toward where that wind'sblowing from because it's gonna

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blow it across the field.
So anything crossing a field isgonna come to that scent that
you're using, whatever your baitor lure is.

SPEAKER_04 (06:05):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (06:06):
So you have to learn to use that wind to your
advantage, especially withpredators like coyotes, fox.
Uh wind is a a really key.
I can see that, especially ifyou're trying to lure them in.
Exactly.
And that's what you're trying todo.

SPEAKER_00 (06:18):
And you you kind of gotta think like them too,
because in the woods, they'relooking for one of two things.
They're looking for something tolove or something to eat.
That's right.
So you you gotta you gottafigure out what they're looking
for.
You know, um early deer seasonwhen you got you know all the
deer hunters throwing out thecarcasses, you don't have to
look very far because you knowwhere they're gonna be.

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That coyotes have huge travelcircles, and but they don't have
to travel very far if they knowwhere a gut pile is.
That's true.
And so that's where they are,but that's where the law comes
in.
You can't sit within twenty footof you know live animal matter.
So those are good places forsnares.
Not so much the the footholdsand stuff, but and you know,

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there's a lot of things that yougotta take because into
consideration.
If you put a foothold in thereand you got one, you know,
jumping and barking, well, therest of them's not gonna come in
there unless you catch all ofthem at the same time.
Which is unlikely, yeah.
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (07:19):
So I mean you just gotta live and learn.
So what kind of like when Ithink of trapping, and I don't
have a lot of knowledge goinginto this, I'm gonna ask a lot
of probably stupid questions,but no, as far as trapping goes,
I know that people trap forreasons like, hey, you know, I'm
trying to protect my turkeys,I'm trying to get rid of some of
the coyotes.
You know, what what types oftrappers are there and what's

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their goals?

SPEAKER_01 (07:40):
There's you have you have several types of trappers.
You have the the the nuisanceguys, and their goals are that
they're making money, butthey're also removing a problem
for somebody.

SPEAKER_04 (07:49):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (07:50):
Um and there's a couple different types of those.
You have the ones that are uhdoing the beaver damage control
work uh for the timbercompanies.
Uh you also have the ones thatdo it in the cities, getting rid
of the raccoon out of somebody'sattic or the squirrels out of
somebody's attic.
Gotcha.
Um but then you have the the thebackyard trappers, the guy, like
you said, has got chickens oryou know, somebody like that.

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They got chickens or stuff, theywant to just get get that thing
caught.
They don't want it thereextended around.
But then you have uh thetrappers, like you you said a
while ago, to get rid of the,you know, to help your turkey
populations.

SPEAKER_00 (08:25):
That's how we got started.

SPEAKER_01 (08:26):
Those trappers right there, you're going in mainly to
remove the nest raiders.
That's the biggest thing you'regonna have with turkeys, and
that's your skunks, yourraccoons, and your possums.
Because if they come across anest, that's what they're gonna
do.
Right.
Uh and they're they'll kill thethe turkey, especially the
raccoons, they'll kill a henturkey in a heartbeat.

SPEAKER_00 (08:45):
Yeah, uh that that's how my husband and I got
started.
Really?
Yeah.
Um he actually proposed to me inthe woods while we were turkey
hunting because I could hearturkeys and he couldn't because
he worked in the logwoods for along time.
Ears are shot, yeah.
Yeah, and so he was like, hey,I'm gonna I'm gonna hang on to
her, she can hear them mileaway.
That's a pretty good idea,actually.
Yeah, and um so but we couldn'twe couldn't hardly find a

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turkey.
I mean, we we had several guyswere down.
Yeah, and and they're like ifsomebody hears one, by the time
you get to it, there's two orthree other people there.
And we're like, we gotta dosomething.
So we we went to the workshop,we found it it was advertised on
on um Facebook, and we went tothe workshop and we left there
with half a dozen footholds, andwe put them out.

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And I'm I'm cheap.
Now, my husband he'll spendmoney on anything, and I'm like,
just don't tell me how much itcosts.
You know, I just I don't want toknow.
Right.
So um, you know, I get home,there's a box on the porch.
By the end of the season, we hadlike 75 trash, and that's a lot.
Got into it fast.
Like it real fast, yeah.
And man, we just loved it.

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And we got into it for the nestraiders for the turkeys, but
when you start catching coonsand possums, you're like
disappointed because now youwant the coats and the bobcats
and the fox.

SPEAKER_03 (10:01):
And they're eating harder to catch.
They they are coyote is smart.

SPEAKER_00 (10:05):
Well, and because we hunt um pine timber on in gravel
roads, they run the gravelroads.
I mean, that that's just whatthey do.
And you know, then you gottalearn how to set the gravel
roads because if they're runningin the middle of the road and
they don't like the smell thatyou got out, they're not coming
to you.
And you gotta figure out how toget them over there.
And so it's like I said a whileago, you know, you gotta make

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mistakes to learn.
And it's been a learningprocess, but it is absolutely
awesome.
It's like Christmas morning.

SPEAKER_04 (10:33):
Oh, yeah, going out there and checking.
Yes, you could have one, youcould not, you know.
Every time you go out there,unless you got a camera on,
you're like, Right, I could haveall my traps full.

SPEAKER_00 (10:40):
That's right.
Today could be the day.
And we have we have eightgrandkids and six of them trap
with us.
And man, the smile on theirface.
Two of them caught one a coupleof weekends ago, and they're
just like through the roof.
It's actually we we made aYouTube about it.

SPEAKER_04 (10:56):
That's awesome.
So, you know, you see like on TVshows trapping, you know, and
and skinning out for furs.
Yes.
Walk me through the fur the furgame.
Like the trapper that's goingafter fur.
What's he exactly going after?

SPEAKER_01 (11:09):
He's he's the the fur trapper today is is going
after usually the furs that areworth the most money.

SPEAKER_04 (11:14):
Now, what is that right now?

SPEAKER_01 (11:15):
Uh right now you're looking at beaver, otter, and
bobcat and skunk.
Skunk right now is the mostprobably the most valuable in
our area.

SPEAKER_04 (11:23):
And what what is the reason for that?
It's where's the where are thethe skunk go?

SPEAKER_01 (11:29):
Okay, let's let's let's go let's go with this is
gonna be a weird one for youguys.
I'm gonna tell you right now,you're gonna you're gonna freak
out on this probably a littlebit.
But back in June, there was asale, uh, one of the big fur
sales they have in Canada.
Skunks averaged$80 apiece.

SPEAKER_04 (11:46):
$80 a piece, dude.

SPEAKER_01 (11:49):
Here's the thing.
All they wanted was the tails.

SPEAKER_04 (11:51):
Really?

SPEAKER_01 (11:52):
They didn't want the rest of the hive, they just
wanted the tails.
Overseas, over there somewherein one of those countries,
there's a sect of those of theJewish community, and they wear
these big hats.
And these big hats are made outof the tails of these different
fur bears.
And it goes back even furtherthan that.

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It goes back hundreds of yearsago.
There was a emperor or king orsomebody who was trying to
humiliate them so he could tellthem apart and he made them wear
an animal tail.
So they just turned it into atradition.
Now they make these big hats.
Really?
And it takes a lot of tails tomake one of those hats.
Expensive hat, huh?
They they are.
And so that's what's drivingthat market right now.
Is it a niche market, probablyfor a little while, a few years?

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Yes, it's probably gonna be aniche market for a few years.
It's kind of like what uh acertain TV show did to Beaver a
few years ago on the Hattermarket.
It drove that Hatter market andbeaver prices were through the
roof.
They were they were high for us.

SPEAKER_00 (12:47):
Yeah, it was real nice.

SPEAKER_01 (12:49):
All because of a cowboy hat.
You can guess the show.
Yeah.
And that drove that market for afor a few years.

SPEAKER_04 (12:57):
So it goes up and down.
So it does.
The furs, I mean, it's kind oflike supply and demand.
I imagine it is.
If there's a big demand forsomething specific, like the
skunk tails, for example, then Iimagine the price will go up.

SPEAKER_01 (13:08):
Right.
One year the one year it wasotter.
Otter, otter prices were up inthe hundred dollar plus range
just because of the Tibetansover there.
They they made ceremonial dealsout of them.
So it it it it's whatever thatmarket is driving, whether it's
fashion, whether it'sceremonial, whether it's you
know, whatever that market is iswhat's driving that price.

SPEAKER_04 (13:28):
That makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 (13:29):
When you see those high prices.
Right now, cat prices, our catprices stay fairly steady.
They'll average fifty bucks.
Uh, but you get out west, youcan get into those thousand
dollar cats.
One cat for a thousand dollars.
But if you ever look at one oftheir cats, their cats are
bigger than ours.
Right.
And they buy a cat strictly bythe belly.
They do not buy it, it'sstrictly by that belly.

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That's what they buy a cat by,yes.
How how wide it is and how manyspots is on it.
That's that's how they buy cats.

SPEAKER_00 (13:57):
But at the end of the day, trapping is the only
hobby that I have that I makemoney on.
I mean, that's probably Ibelieve that.

SPEAKER_04 (14:04):
Yeah.
There's not many hobbies that Ido that I can say I turn into
money.

SPEAKER_00 (14:08):
And the crazy thing is, you know, back in the 70s or
whatever, that this people didthis for a job.
Yeah, and those guys those guysweren't giving out any
information.
They weren't telling you how toset a trap, where to go,
nothing.

SPEAKER_04 (14:21):
Which could have inevitably hurt the sport as far
as getting awareness and andknowing about it.
Because like somebody reallygood at is not gonna give their
secrets up.

SPEAKER_00 (14:31):
Right.
Well, then when the pricesdropped out, people stopped
doing it.
And the, you know, the predatorsstarted overrunning everything,
and populations got out ofwhack, and then people started
doing it back out of necessity,and the money is just a bonus.
It's not necessarily what driveseveryone.
Now, some people it does.
And at this point, you know, I'mteaching my grandkids to trap,

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and they don't know nothingabout money.
They just I'm teaching theconservation side of and we
gotta do this, and you know, andthey're little, so like I was to
explain and we gotta do this forthe deer and the turkey.
Well, yeah, we you know, wewe're we run our traps and we
didn't catch anything.
And sh my granddaughter's likeshe's four or five, and she

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started crying and she said, butwe didn't catch them.
They're gonna they're gonna eatall our turkeys.
And I'm like, baby, we're comingback tomorrow.

SPEAKER_01 (15:18):
Yeah, they won the day, we're gonna win tomorrow.
Yeah.
But you know, and and the onething with trapping that really
sets trapping apart from otheroutdoor activities, such as say
duck hunting or deer hunting orany of those, is we're the only
group that has had our equipmentBMP tested, which is best
management practices.

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And what that is, is they wentin there and tested this all
these different traps indifferent states, and they
tested these traps to see whichones performed the best and
which ones did the you know theleast harm to an animal.
It was all about animal welfare.

SPEAKER_02 (15:55):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (15:56):
And by doing that, our equipment that we have today
is way better than what theyhad, say, 30 years ago or even
20 years ago or 40 years ago.
Uh so the the traps that arecoming out now, a lot of these
traps are used in wildlifestudies where they'll catch
animals and then they'll releasethat animal unharmed.

SPEAKER_04 (16:16):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (16:16):
And and you know, people will sit there and tell
you they'll go, Oh, that an thattrap's so cruel it's gonna cut
their feet off and all that.
That's not what that trap'sdesigned to do.
It's designed to hold thatanimal in that place.
It's no different than putting aleash on your dog or or anything
like that.
You're holding that animal inthat spot until you can get back
to it, and then you can if youneed to release it, you can
release it, or you can, youknow, harvest that animal for

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the fur.

SPEAKER_04 (16:40):
That makes sense.
That does make sense.
And you know, I've seen a avideo, and the only reason the
only reason I seen his video isbecause my son Briggs just loves
anything hunting related.
I mean, we're just going throughYouTube just watching it.
And they were in Maine and theywere trapping bears.
Yeah.
Maine.
Nuisant bears.
The only state.
And well, it was talking abouthow, you know, like the uh when

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I think of a bear trap, I thinkof like the big metal steel
teeth, you know, crushing thetrap.
And that's not illegal in Maine.
That's what they're talkingabout.

SPEAKER_00 (17:13):
The snares, that's the same thing anymore.

SPEAKER_04 (17:15):
The foot snare, whatever it is.
And I thought that was coolbecause when I think of traps,
that's what I think of.
Yeah.
I think of bearing.

SPEAKER_01 (17:22):
Yeah.
Well, actually, you know, it'sbeen it's not been that long ago
that they could still use thosenew house bear traps.
And most people see a bear trap,they're thinking that great big
but most of you most of yourbear traps aren't that big.
They're not as big as you thinkthey are.
Um there's actually some videosout there.
A guy here in Arkansas not toolong ago caught a bear in a just
a regular foot old trap.

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It was a smaller bear, but theycaught a game of fish, they come
out, they released it unharmed,and let it go.
So it that bear went on his wayand wasn't harmed.
Uh so that's crazy.

SPEAKER_04 (17:53):
But uh you can imagine rolling up to a bear in
a foot trap.

SPEAKER_01 (17:56):
That would be that would be wild.
Uh, you know, so it trappingitself though is just it's such
a great outdoor, you know, deal.
It's not it's not like duckhunting where say three or four
of us are getting out there andwe're in the blind and we're
sitting there and we're allhaving a good time.
Trappers by nature are loners.
They are.
They're just they're just bynature they're loners.

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And so it's not where three orfour guys are gonna go out and
go, okay, we're gonna go, we'llset this one trap, or you know,
like duck hunting is.
And for a long time that's kindof what hurt trappers, I think,
being loners and not beingmembers of these associations or
members of these groups and andsticking together and helping
each other.
So, you know.
I can see that.

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Yeah, and and that's that'schanged in the last years.
And she was talking aboutinformation.
Uh yeah, when I first startedtrapping, you ask any old timer
how to catch a mink.
Because mink were king backthen, they were twenty dollars
back in the early eighties.
And you ask an old timer how tocatch a mink by the foot.
That's what he'd say, or in thewater.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (19:00):
And you'd be like, all right, well, I know a little
bit just a tiny bit more than Iknew before.
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (19:06):
And then I got to go with uh a friend of mine, Jim
Spencer, and he's been a mentorto me, and I he was a longline
mink trapper, so I got to go onhis mink line with him back
years ago, and that taught memore in one day than I had
learned in three or four years.
So, you know, going withsomebody and finding somebody

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that traps is a big part of ittoo.
Yeah.
And that's the good thing aboutthese associations, all these
different state associations,and there's two national
associations.
You go to these people andyou're wanting to learn, that's
where you're gonna learn at.

SPEAKER_04 (19:52):
I can imagine, yeah.
Because they'll tell you thewhy.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 (19:55):
If you ask them questions, I'm sure they'd be
like, well, the reason we do itthis way is because typically
it's absolutely and and that'sthe thing is you know, if if if
I've got somebody with me and myboat, because I I trap mostly
from a boat.
Do you?
Uh-huh.
I'm I'm more of a water trapperthan a land trapper, but I can
still catch cows or cats, it'snot a problem.
But I just like the wateranimals.

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I like the beaver, the otter,the mink, the muskrat.
I like catching those.
Um and the river I trap on is avery challenging river because
it's up and down all the time.
It's controlled by generatorsand dams.
So I have a lot of fluctuatingwater.
So you trust me, I had to learnhow to trap all over from moving
from South Arkansas to NorthArkansas.
I believe it.
It's just totally different.

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You know, one you're in flatcountry, one you're in mountains
now, so it's it's it's totallydifferent terrain.
So that's another curve of it isthe learning curve.
Uh, no matter where you'retrapping at, you're gonna have a
learning curve.
Uh you take guys that trap upnorth where trapping's a little
bit tougher and the conditionsand stuff, some of them guys

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come to the south.
Well, the first thing they do isthey have a learning curve.
There's cotton mouths down here.

SPEAKER_02 (21:02):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (21:03):
They learn that real quick on the beaver.
Wait a minute, that's not astick.
No, I can imagine.

SPEAKER_04 (21:08):
I hate snakes, amen.

SPEAKER_01 (21:10):
So uh matter of fact, uh, one of the guys that
came down from Iowa that we hadat our convention, that's one of
the things he was telling mewhen we were talking about, he
said, I had to learn aboutcotton mouths.
So, you know, you have to learnyou have to watch all this stuff
and and learn it because it'sit's just a huge learning curve
in trapping.
And the one thing I tell a lotof people is you will never quit

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learning and trapping.
Just when you think you've gotit.

SPEAKER_04 (21:34):
Yeah, I can you always get better.

SPEAKER_01 (21:36):
You'll get that one cow that'll come and crap on
your trap and he'll do it.
He'll trap they'll they'llthey'll poop right on your pan.

SPEAKER_02 (21:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (21:43):
Because he's been pinched.
And he won't just do that one,he'll go down the line and he'll
do every one of them.

SPEAKER_00 (21:48):
That's insane.
Or they'll roll, you know,they'll they'll roll.

SPEAKER_01 (21:51):
They'll roll in it.

SPEAKER_00 (21:52):
There's like a dog, if it's something that stinks,
they'll roll and set it off, youknow.

SPEAKER_01 (21:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (21:57):
So but now we we can sit here and talk about, you
know, all the complications, butit's simple.
Uh trapping is simple.
You can make it as complicatedas you want.
But at the end of the day, atthe end of the day, if all you
know is to to put that trap inthe ground and make sure it
doesn't wiggle, it's simple.
Like and it's a good way tostart at least.

(22:19):
Yes, yes, it is.
And and the more you learn, themore complicated you can make it
yourself, you know, and and uhbut it a lot of times even we
make it harder than it has tobe.

SPEAKER_04 (22:29):
Oh, I imagine overthinking it for one side.

SPEAKER_01 (22:31):
Oh, absolutely.
We we do.
I've had trapping partnersbefore and uh and sometimes we
we'll team up and do, you know,get a partner to trap with us.
And I had this one guy whatwould take me three minutes to
make a set?
It'd take him ten becauseeverything had to be perfect.
I mean, it it was just crazy howperfect it had to be.

(22:54):
Yeah.
And I'd I'd be just over going,come on, man, quit.
You're killing me.
We gotta go.
You know, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (23:02):
So my husband and I trap together and we have a
saying, if it's good for one,it's good for two.
And so, you know, we're we're inthe pine thicket and the wind
shifts and swirls, you know, andso what we do is we decide what
path we're gonna take, and andbecause we don't wanna be out
handling the trap every day.
We just want to drive by and andjust see him, yeah.

(23:24):
And so we we take our path andhe sets his side and I set mine.
And we set if he set the dirthole, I said flat fit.
You know, we do different thingsfor different kinds of appeal
and different critters, whateverwe're you know, whatever we're
doing.
And you know, sometimes he'llsay, Why did you do that?
And I was like, Well, I don'tknow.
I'm thinking if they're going upthe hill, they got a flat spot,

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they'll put their foot there,and he was like, You're not
gonna catch anything.
Well, we come back the next dayand I caught something.
Yeah, you know, and he was like,Well, I never thought that would
work.

SPEAKER_04 (23:54):
Well, you know Yeah, I imagine it's one of those
deals where like you gettendencies, and I imagine that
can hurt you too.
It can because you can get usedto like you know, like, ooh,
that just looks good to me.
Just because you naturally knowthat you put traps there like
that often.
Right.
You know, and you might havemissed something that you just
over might have overlookedbecause that looks familiar.

SPEAKER_01 (24:16):
Take a non-trapper one time on your line.
You'll be surprised at how manyspots they'll show out you
didn't pick.
Right.
And you're going, I probablyshould put a trap there.
I never thought about it.

SPEAKER_00 (24:26):
Yeah, and and I'm hard headed.
So if somebody tells me I can't,I'm gonna do it twice to prove
you wrong.
And so that interferes with youknow, it interferes with with
things sometimes because he'llbe like, I don't think so.
I'm like, watch this.

SPEAKER_04 (24:39):
Yeah, I know.
So go going back to the fur justone time, touch back on it one
more time.
I was thinking, I had a thoughtafter you got to explaining it
about the prices going up anddown and whatnot.
And you know, people buy thingslike silver, gold, or they they
sit there and they hang on to ittill the price is right.
Right.
Do fur trappers hang on to fursfor a period of time, maybe

(25:02):
looking for a certain price?

SPEAKER_01 (25:04):
You will have some that will do that, and they'll
they'll stretch and dry them orstore them in their freezer, and
sometimes they store them toolong and freezer burn them.
Uh, but your fur buyers also dothat.
They buy and will hold stuff andthey click they call it
speculation buying.

SPEAKER_04 (25:20):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (25:20):
And it's no different than buying gold or
silver or you know, any any anycommodity.
You're speculating that thatprice is gonna go up later.
So if say raccoons right now,the price of raccoons you're
lucky if you can get a dollarout of them.
Those guys that are buying thosecoons, a lot of them are holding
them.
And they're holding them in coldstorage, uh they're you know,
and they'll hold them andhopefully until the price goes

(25:42):
up.
And if the price goes up to fivedollars, they're gonna make a
little money off of them.
So, you know, there's they'respeculation buying.
So you get that.
Um even with with some trapperswill do it.
Uh I've held mine a few fursover, you know, years in certain
years, but it's it's I don'tknow, it's uh it's I don't want

(26:05):
to say this.
It's kind of weird how the furmarket works.

SPEAKER_04 (26:09):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (26:09):
Uh it's a global market.
Uh you'll hear people say thatuh, well, my fur's gonna stay
here in the United No, yourfur's not gonna stay here in the
United States.
It's gonna go all over theworld.

SPEAKER_04 (26:21):
Who's sending it all over the world though?
So like you sell it to somebody,right?
And then that person, do theysell it around the world or do
they sell it to somebody else?

SPEAKER_01 (26:33):
Uh going from dealer to you know to to the different
buyers.
Uh most a lot of it ends up inthese big international
auctions.
Uh there's a big one in Canada,fur harvesters.
There used to be two, but onewent out of business.
And when it ends up in thoseinternational auctions, they
have buyers from all over theworld come in.

SPEAKER_04 (26:52):
Are these are these buyers, are they like clothing
makers?
Are they like they can be.

SPEAKER_01 (26:57):
That's that's that they they can be.
Uh most of them are what I callfinishers.
Uh they they're the guys they'llbuy the fur, and some of them
are brokers.
Some of them are brokers,they're buying it to sell it to
somebody else overseas.
Or they're buying it forsomebody else overseas.
And what they'll do is once theyget that fur over there, right?

(27:18):
And they've they've got to dressit.
What they've got to do isthey've got to tan it, they've
got to get it tan.
Uh the hardest one to tan isbeaver.
That's the hardest one to dress.
Uh China's gotten really good atthat.
Uh so they're worth it though.
Yes.
And so once that fur goes overthere, then it gets dispersed to
wherever whatever market it'sgoing to.

(27:39):
So if it's going to say uhRussia as a utilitarian market,
China's a big utilitarian userof fur.
But they're also a big fashionuser of fur.
So they buy two different typesof fur.
They buy the utilitarian typeand they buy the fashion type.

SPEAKER_04 (27:56):
Yeah, I never would have, I wouldn't have.
See, like I said earlier, ifyou're in it, you know about it.
Right.
And if you're not in it,absolutely to you, it's like you
can't believe there's that muchstuff going on with the wood
trapping.

SPEAKER_00 (28:07):
And it it's not always just fire.
Like what we, you know, we likeif we sometimes we sell bobcats
whole and they skin them out.
You know, taxidermies buy a lotof them.
I can see that.
Yeah, yes.

SPEAKER_04 (28:20):
That's somebody even think about it.

SPEAKER_00 (28:21):
But there's a skull market, uh, and they use the
meat and the glands for uh bait,you know, and and so they'll buy
the whole animal and they usethe whole animal.
And they, you know, they make alot of money on that.
Yeah.
It's like a rabbit's foot.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (28:37):
You know?
Wasn't lucky for the rabbit.
That's right.
That's right.
So as you being a hunter, youknow, a deer hunter, when you
kill a deer, do you skin it out?
And I'm out.
Do you do like every animal youmess with, or do you just only
animals you trap?

SPEAKER_00 (28:51):
So growing up, when you skin a deer, you don't want
to mess up the meat.
Right.
So when you go to skin animalsfor the fire, you gotta relearn
what you're doing.
I bet it's backwards backwards.
It's completely different.
And so I skin out well, I didn'tlast year because I had some
back troubles, but usually Iskin everything because I'm

(29:13):
meticulous.
Like I skin a squirrel one time,and you should have seen this
thing, like it was the I meanwhen uh growing up, when you
skin a squirrel, it's for themeat, and you just you know rip
it off.
Not when you're doing it for thehide.

SPEAKER_02 (29:26):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (29:27):
And it changes everything.
But yeah, um, so I I skin outeverything.
I got two freezers full of fur.
You know, I'm just hanging I'mI'm hanging on to it.
I'm gonna make coon skin capsfor all my grandkids one of
these days.

SPEAKER_04 (29:40):
See, they just pulled up a picture right there
where you got it looks like aexplain what what's all there.
I see the code in the center.
I see the top is beaver.
That's beaver up there.
Yeah, beaver, bobcat.

SPEAKER_00 (29:51):
Yeah, bobcat, and you got coons.

SPEAKER_04 (29:53):
See the the tails open on the the whole bottom
row, pretty much, other than thethree bobcats, is all.

SPEAKER_01 (30:00):
Right on the other side of me are otter.
Yeah.
Those are otter right there.
See the otter there.
And then up right to the left ofthose otter from the way we're
looking, you'll see some muskratand mink hanging in there.
Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (30:12):
Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (30:13):
Those are all fleshed and dried.
They're not tanned.
So those are just ready for theraw fur market.
What you call the raw fur?
You have two ways to sell hides.
You can sell them dried or youcan sell them green.
Green is when they're just skinout, they're rolled up and put
in the freezer.
They're not done this way righthere.

SPEAKER_04 (30:29):
So what I'm seeing, like on the bobcats and the
coyote, I see like the coyote atthe top of his head, and on the
bobcats, I can see the fur out.
So you f you skin it out all theway around its face.
Yeah.
Yes.
Yep.
Eyes and everything.
You see it on the beaver too.

SPEAKER_01 (30:46):
Yes, everything.
The reason for that is that'sjust the way they the forms,
they want them on the forms thatway.
And there's believe it or not,there's an aftermarket, uh what
they call a craft market.
Uh some of those buyers, oncethey send those off and they
have them tanned, when they usethe parts they're going to use,

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they'll have leftovers.
They'll have like the faces leftover.
Well, they'll just put them in abulk box and sell them to
somebody who sells them at theflea market down, you know, on
Saturday or something like that.
And so that's what'll happen toa lot of the tails, the except
for the skunk tails right now.
But the that's what happens to alot of that.
It goes to a craft market.
Yeah, see, there's another bigwall full of them.

(31:30):
That is my daughter and my sonright there.
And my son over there, he's ahe's a big buck killer.
He don't trap he he used to trapsome, but he's he chases them
big bucks now.
He's he's a bow hunter.
He's a bow hunter.

SPEAKER_03 (31:44):
So Do y'all cut the beavers to make them that round,
or are they just naturallyround?
The way they're skint.

SPEAKER_00 (31:49):
Uh you skin them different than anything else.

SPEAKER_01 (31:53):
All the other stuff up there is what's called case
skint.
It's where you start at the backfeet and then you pull the hide
down.
The beaver open skin, you make acut from the base of the tail
all the way to the lower jaw.
And then you peel them back.

SPEAKER_04 (32:07):
And they're just round like that.

SPEAKER_01 (32:08):
And that's the way they'll come that they want that
oval shape.
Uh now they're not as picky.
That was the reason they wantedthe oval was back when it was uh
North American Fur Auctions,Hudson Bay.
They wanted them in that ovalshape, but now they're not as
picky about whether they're ovalor round.
So that's a lot of raccoons andstuff right there.

SPEAKER_04 (32:28):
Do you have to travel around quite a bit?

SPEAKER_01 (32:30):
All of those right there come off of about a
five-mile section of river.

SPEAKER_04 (32:33):
Really?

SPEAKER_01 (32:33):
Or the river.
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (32:34):
The river.

SPEAKER_03 (32:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (32:35):
Okay.
Everything you see in thatpicture.

SPEAKER_03 (32:37):
That's what I was gonna ask.
Do y'all have certain areasy'all trap?
Yeah.
Do y'all move around?
Yeah, we move around.

SPEAKER_01 (32:42):
Uh there for a long time.
I was trapping up in northeastArkansas.
I'd go up, take a week'svacation, and go up there and
trap on a big duck and deerclub.
Uh they they had a cabin.
I'd go up and stay in theircabin and run traps all the
time.
I'm sure they would invite youin to do that.
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
There's people and there's otherones that they get paid to go do
that.
Oh, yeah.
You know.

(33:03):
Uh it's just that matter offact, that was a nuisance job
right there.
I got paid to catch thosebeavers.

SPEAKER_00 (33:08):
Funny thing about the beaver is on um on their
back foot, uh, they have twoclaws on one toe that they use.
What?
Yeah.
Two toes.
Two claws.
Two walls.

SPEAKER_01 (33:20):
Split split claw.

SPEAKER_00 (33:21):
Yeah, and they it's for grooming.

SPEAKER_01 (33:23):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 (33:24):
Yeah.
That's insane.

SPEAKER_01 (33:25):
The beaver is a very unique animal.
They have an oil sac back there.
And that oil sac's what they oiltheir fur with, and they'll use
that split claw to groomthemselves to get that oil in
their fur.
And they also have what's calledcastorium.

SPEAKER_04 (33:38):
What is that?

SPEAKER_00 (33:41):
We're fixing to make a lot of people probably not eat
vanilla ice cream.
It smells like money.

SPEAKER_01 (33:46):
It does.
It it's uh it's a it's a glandthey have that they excrete for
their territories.
They mark their territorieswith.
Have you ever been that's notvanilla ice cream.
Believe it or not, it was FDAapproved and they used it in
vanilla ice cream at one time.
So at one time.

SPEAKER_00 (34:04):
It's vanilla vanilla flavoring.

SPEAKER_01 (34:06):
It's a vanilla flavoring.
It it really does have a reallyit smells like vanilla.
And you get uh I know you'veseen a caster mound.
Yeah, you've been duck hunting,you've seen that pile of mud
pulled up on the bank.
That's their territory.
And beavers are veryterritorial.
Uh the the neat thing about abeaver is is they push their

(34:26):
young out every two years.
They push them out, they makethem make them leave.
Get gone.
So the the ones that are bornthere that year, they're fine.
But the ones that are oncethey're two years old, they push
them out.
A two-year-old beaver, when he'straveling, will not make a
caster mound set.
Because the other beaver in thatarea will kill him.
They're that territorial.
He's got to go out and find hisown territory.
They they will establish his ownplace.

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His own place.

SPEAKER_00 (34:49):
Hmm.
And they if you if you take allthe beavers out of like out of
an area, they will move intothat area.
Instead of rebuilding, they justmove in.

SPEAKER_03 (35:00):
And I'm seeing the different size, is that just the
difference in a male and femaleor just an older beaver?

SPEAKER_01 (35:05):
Uh the biggest beaver there, she was a female.
Uh catching her that day was aplus because if you catch all
the smaller beaver first, thethe males and then the young,
that female beaver will hold upfor about two weeks and she will
not come out.
And she does that because sheknows something's wrong.
She knows, wait a minute, she'severybody's hardest to catch.

SPEAKER_00 (35:27):
Can you see that?
Yeah, what is it?
That's a split toe.
That's the two claws.

SPEAKER_04 (35:31):
Oh, hold it up to the camera real close, they'd
probably go see it.

SPEAKER_00 (35:35):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (35:36):
Yeah, they're that's a split toe on the back of the
foot.
They're unique animals.
They are.
They're very unique.

SPEAKER_00 (35:42):
Yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_04 (35:43):
I've seen a beaver's tail, like tailbones.
Yeah.
That's that's an odd-lookingthing.

SPEAKER_01 (35:49):
Yeah, the the y and there's a market for the tails.
There's people who make walletsout of those tails.
They tan the leather and makewallets out of them.
And they're very expensive.

SPEAKER_00 (35:57):
And um, I don't know if every county, but I think
most counties have a bounty onthem.
So like I know Grant County.
Um it's$15.
Well, you get like two per tail.
Uh per tail.
So you get like$10 from thestate and five from the county
in Grant County.
And all that is, is if you'recatching beaver in that county,
then you're saving them money.
Yeah.

(36:18):
Because those beavers are outflooding timber there, um,
stopping up culverts, and andthe the county has to do the
maintenance and replace those.
And so, I mean, they can pay youfifteen dollars per beaver and
saves them thousands of dollars.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (36:33):
So you saying that reminds me of you know, causing
issues, caught costing money.
It reminds me of hogs.
Right.
Hog problem.
I saw one this morning.
I don't know why it worked.
Is as being trappers, do you seepeople that trap hogs as
trappers?
Or are those like a whole, youknow, like a that's that's a
whole different group.

SPEAKER_01 (36:50):
That's a whole niche group over there.
Yeah, it's kind of like asubject.
Yeah, it's kind of safe.
They use a lot bigger than it'sa lot of things.
Oh, it is, but it's just adifferent like by the same
token, there's guys out thereright now who are snaring these
hogs.
So they're they're snaring themjust like they would snare a
cow.
Um and the reason they're doingthat is they can remove a lot of
hogs, believe it or not, doingthat.

SPEAKER_00 (37:11):
Hogs are very intelligent.
Very intelligent.

SPEAKER_04 (37:14):
And you can teach them real quick.
And the thing is about them islike there's so many of them,
they're such a big problem.
And they're moving north, youknow, they're pushing up.
I remember as a kid uh inLoyola, you would hear about
people seeing a hog once everythree years.
You never see them.
Now they're everywhere.
They're done pushed up.

(37:35):
There's hogs down here, it'sterrible.
And the game of fish, they'relike, you know, just kill them
any means necessary, trap themany means necessary.

SPEAKER_00 (37:42):
Like they actually have a really cool program for
hog trapping.

SPEAKER_04 (37:46):
What I was gonna ask was like, you know, like how
there's a price to beaver tail.
What if they did a hog like abounty?

SPEAKER_01 (37:54):
If they did a bounty, you would probably see a
lot more people going afterhogs.
That's what I was thinkingabout.
They really need to, I wouldthink.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (38:01):
I mean, I saw one this morning on you know, in the
the river bottoms there headedto work.

SPEAKER_01 (38:07):
There's so many.
It's kind of like and you know,as you you talk about invasive
species like hogs, the wild hogpopulation.
Uh neutra rats.
That's another invasive speciesthat's moving north, and
eventually you're they'realready seeing those in southern
Missouri.

SPEAKER_02 (38:21):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (38:21):
And the neutral rats come out of Louisiana, uh and
they've just gradually startedmoving north, uh, you know, and
they have a bounty in Louisianafor them.
They don't hear yet, but they doin Louisiana.
And they do to me a lot moredamage than a beaver does.

SPEAKER_03 (38:35):
Really?

SPEAKER_01 (38:36):
Yes, because they can breed so many times a year.
They're kind of like a rabbit.
And the second thing they coulddo is they they're burrowers,
more so than a beaver.
Where beavers will make a bankden, these things will make
several bank dens and they canjust erode a levee really quick.

SPEAKER_04 (38:51):
Just move the river.

SPEAKER_01 (38:52):
Oh, yeah, they can.
They can basically change thecourse of a waterway because of
the erosion they can cause.

SPEAKER_04 (38:59):
Yeah.
To me, to me, as far as likeissues like that goes, like the
only way to incentivize peopleto pick up the hobby of doing it
is to throw a little bit ofmoney at it.

SPEAKER_01 (39:11):
It is.

SPEAKER_00 (39:11):
Well, they have a program going right now, and I
don't know the exact details,but I know um at one point they
were like if you bought a hogtrap that was on their list,
they paid you like 75% of thatprice back.
Yeah.
And then you turn in picturesand stuff, and so you're like a
part of a program.
Yeah.
And I know they've had somesuccess with that.

SPEAKER_04 (39:31):
Yeah.
Well, we first got our pig brig,which is a net style trap,
right?
You know, and they basicallyburrow under it and then they
can't get out of it.
And it's really effective.
And it's easy to put up and it'seffective because you can catch
the whole the whole uh group,the group of them.

SPEAKER_00 (39:45):
Right.
And you're you're not educatingthem as much as you do with the
the old-fashioned, you know,style.
And uh so I I I don't have oneof them personally, but I know
someone that does and they workgreat.
They've had great success withus.
They work really well.

SPEAKER_01 (39:59):
Y'all want to answer the let's answer a few of the
questions?

SPEAKER_04 (40:02):
Yeah, let's let's definitely let's look at them.

SPEAKER_01 (40:05):
Uh baiting versus lures.

SPEAKER_04 (40:07):
Yeah, what is is there a difference?

SPEAKER_01 (40:09):
There there's a uh lures are just mainly for smell.
That's what they are.
You have long distance calllures, which will have skunk
smell in them.
Uh you have just different glandlures that'll have the glands of
certain animals in them.
Right.
Like coyote glands or bobcatglands or fox glands.
Where bait is more of a foodsource for 'em.

(40:31):
Okay.
Uh early season baiting'sprobably, you know, they're
they're not as much attracted tobait.
They're they're running around,they still got plenty of mice,
stuff to feed on.
Where they're more attracted tolures.
Um you get later into the winterwhen there's less to eat,
they're they'll get moreattracted to the bait.

SPEAKER_04 (40:49):
I can see that.

SPEAKER_01 (40:50):
So it you know, it's it's it's it's a it's a change
for 'em.
Uh and most trappers use aconjunction of bait and lure
when they're when they're whenthey're trapping.

SPEAKER_00 (40:58):
So a coyote where so if I cook meatloaf for supper
and my husband walks in, hesmells meatloaf.
So a coyote would smell thebeef, the salt, the pepper, the
tomatoes, the crackers, whateveryou put in it, right?
He smells in layers.
Yes.
And so a lot of times, if that'swhat they're interested in, the

(41:22):
more smells you have, the morethey're gonna work your set.
Right.
The more likely that you havesomething that's gonna come in
at they're gonna investigate andthey wanna know what every one
of those smells are.
So if you've got a lure here anda bait here and a lure here,
he's gonna sniff all of that,which means he's there and he's
moving.
Right.
And he's not gonna just andleave.

(41:45):
So he's working your set.
Investigating.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (41:48):
And and you know the thing with that is is if you
your first year coyotes, they'llcome to anything.
Because he's young, he's dumb,he's stupid, he's like a
teenager, he don't know nobetter.
He's gonna go for whatever hecan get, you know.
Oh, well, look, that's that'sthat smells good.
But you get a coyote that's gota couple of years on him, he's a
he's a bundle of nerds walkingaround.
He's not like a first yearcoyote.

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And if he gets pinched, he's notgonna come back to that smell.

SPEAKER_00 (42:15):
Ever.

SPEAKER_01 (42:16):
No, he will not come back to that.
He knows that smells bad.
Now something else fit too.
Something else he will he'llcome to, but he won't come to
that particular lure you'reusing.
You'll have to change up.
And that's because he he knows.
He knows what it is.
That's bad.
Okay, that one's not bad becauseI hadn't smelled that one yet,
but that one's bad.

SPEAKER_04 (42:34):
So I can see that.
I can see that.
That's what they do.
It's easy to pick up on that andlearn it.

SPEAKER_01 (42:38):
Uh we got one here.
There's one there, the pantension, and it kind of falls
for fox and all others, and italso kind of falls into the
whole pan tension thing.
I'm not a big fan of pantension.
I like my pans to just freelydrop.

SPEAKER_04 (42:54):
And when you're saying pan for people that might
not know, that's the flatsurface that's in the middle of
the trap.

SPEAKER_01 (42:59):
Right, that's where that animal's gonna put his
foot.
Right.
That's what he's gonna step onto trigger that trap.
Okay.
And once he's once he steps onthat, if if that pan has any
tension at all, and and ifyou're going after everything,
say you're going after bobcats,fox, and coyotes, you're you
want a way lower pan tension.
But if you were strictly goingafter coyotes, you can get that

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pan tension up there to aboutfour pounds.
And there's a tester out therethat you can order, you can go
online and find them.
Uh they'll test the tension ofthat pan, and you just push it
on there and push it down, it'llhave little marks and it's
telling you how many pounds ison that pan.
And the way you adjust that isthere's a little brass bolt and
nut, and you just loosen it ortighten it to get whatever pan
tension you want.

SPEAKER_00 (43:40):
I gotcha.
But also what that means is ifif you got it set on four
pounds, you you're only going tocatch a coat.
Anything if you if a fox orbobcat or something, if it steps
on it and it doesn't have thatmuch weight, it won't go off.

SPEAKER_04 (43:54):
That's why you keep the light because you're you're
wanting to catch whatever.
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (43:57):
If I'm wanting to catch the fox and the bobcat, I
want to I want a lighter payattention.
I want a pay attention less of apound.
It's like mink trapping.
Uh there was a little video theyhad on there that I I sent
y'all.
Uh a mink trapping, you wantabsolutely zero pay attention.
You want that pan as soon asthat foot touches it to fire
off.
Because he's a very lightanimal.

(44:17):
He's he is.
There's the video right there.

SPEAKER_04 (44:30):
So you set that where'd you originally set that?

SPEAKER_01 (44:33):
Right up in under that grass, there's a little
ledge under there.
And those mink will run rightbehind that grass, right up in
that little ledge right there.
And you'll actually see me setthe trap back up in under there.
Uh my wife was filming thatstanding on a culvert, so it's
actually pretty good video froma phone.

SPEAKER_03 (44:51):
Yeah, it's pretty cool.
So you're not using no kind oflure or main.

SPEAKER_01 (44:54):
No kind of lure or bait.

SPEAKER_03 (44:56):
A beat down like you know you know it's gonna go
down.

SPEAKER_01 (44:59):
Mink are creatures of habit.
They run the edges, that's andthat's basically all you need to
know to catch a mink.
Because they run the edges.
Now you get up north, it's awhole different game.
Up there, they use a lot of whatthey call pocket sets.
They'll dig a hole back in andput bait in it.
But their winters are colder,and those those mink up there
are more successful to bait thanthe mink down here.
You put a piece of fish inthere, you're gonna have a

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raccoon and a possum the nextday.

SPEAKER_02 (45:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (45:22):
You know, and and and if it warms up a little bit,
you're gonna have some stinkyfish and a possum.

SPEAKER_04 (45:27):
So that's pretty cool though.

SPEAKER_01 (45:31):
That's just an example of you looking at the
layout and knowing that a littleguide piece of grass in there,
I'll stick right by the the trapto guide it, and there's a meal.

SPEAKER_04 (45:44):
Heck yeah.
So would you ever in a situationsay you're you're trapping,
you're on a trail, and would youkind of brush up certain areas
to try to lure them, like guy,keep them from maybe walking to
the side of it?

SPEAKER_01 (45:59):
Yes, you can't.
You can guide animals are arecreat creatures of habits,
they're like us in a way.
You you're gonna take the pathof least resistance anywhere
you're going.
Okay.
If you're on, say you're in NewYork City, you're walking down a
sidewalk, and there's a ton ofpeople, you're gonna take the
the the least path of resistancethrough those people, right?
Mm-hmm.
Kyot's the same way, bobcat'sthe same way.

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They're going down a trail, thattrail's the easy path, that's
what they're gonna walk.
And so they don't want to veeroff of that trail because it's
it there's other stuff in theirway, they gotta go around this
or that.
Deer do the same thing.
And when that coat's going downthat trail, if you get a wide
spot in that trail, now he canstep anywhere in that trail.

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But if you wanted to hang asnare in that wide spot, you
just pull some brush in, likeyou said, and you just brush it
down, and then you can hang thatsnare in that spot and catch
that coat.

SPEAKER_00 (46:50):
Yeah, funnel it in.
Coats are are are they they'rereal cautious though.
You don't want to do a wholelot, and then what you do, it
has to be extremely natural.

SPEAKER_02 (47:00):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (47:00):
Now that's crazy.
Yeah, because if it looks if itlooks wonky, they're out.

SPEAKER_01 (47:05):
Remember why I said he's a bundling or now bobcats
are not that way.

SPEAKER_03 (47:09):
I want to know the trick on catching bobcats
because I got a bobcat problem.

SPEAKER_00 (47:12):
Bobcats, where you live, I can help you with that.
Uh magnolia.
Oh I can't I can't check themafter work every day.
Uh but bobcats, they're curious.
Like they are.
I have literally taken a can outof the back of the truck and you
know, pocket knife and and cutlike a ribbon and turned it
inside out and hung it with somefish and lines.

SPEAKER_03 (47:32):
See, I did that on the I I said a couple traps this
past uh season and I hung a C Dabove on a limb.

SPEAKER_00 (47:39):
They love flashy.

SPEAKER_01 (47:42):
I use a little fake that fake white fur you can get
at Hobby Lobby or your body.
Yeah, we had that out too.
And hang it, but you but youwant it where it's gonna blow or
it's gonna move you.
Whatever you're using, you wantit to move.

SPEAKER_03 (47:52):
Well we had it burrowed down where you had it
deep.

SPEAKER_01 (47:55):
If you got it hanging above that set, just
don't use any animal matter,because like she said earlier,
20 foot is as close as you canhave animal matter.

SPEAKER_00 (48:02):
But you can buy like white feathers at Walmart in the
craft section and take a splitshot.
Like you can just hang them fromor Christmas Tintil.

SPEAKER_03 (48:11):
So what kind of like lure do you put for bobcat?

SPEAKER_00 (48:14):
Do you do lure or it just depends.
Like they're not real picky,they like all kinds of stuff.
Anything will bring them in.
Like they're I didn't catch one.

SPEAKER_01 (48:26):
A really good quick lure for cats is catnip oil.
Just go get you some of thatcatnip oil at the pet store.
And if you get that pure catnipoil.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They they make what they call arub set when you can use this
catnip oil for that.
And what you do is you just takeyour steak and put a piece of
carpet on it and drive it in theground.
But you want that carpet, oh thebottom of that carpet probably

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about a a foot high and thenabout a foot of carpet, and you
just spray that with that catnipoil, and that bobcat will come
in there and rub on that.
Really?
Bed your trap right below it.
You'll catch them.

SPEAKER_04 (49:01):
They're they're never gonna guess that.

SPEAKER_01 (49:03):
Bobcats are probably one of the easiest ones to
catch.
And the reason the reason beingis because they're they mainly
it's their travel patterns.
Right.
Once you learn their travelpatterns, they're easy to catch.
Just you find a bobcat track,make a set.

SPEAKER_03 (49:20):
Right there.
That's simple.
Well, I know where they'regoing.
I've seen deer hunting all thetime.

SPEAKER_01 (49:23):
Make a set right there.

SPEAKER_00 (49:25):
Just out of range of my deer stand.

SPEAKER_01 (49:26):
And don't make one set, make three or four sets.

SPEAKER_00 (49:29):
And make sure you take your blood pressure
medicine.

SPEAKER_01 (49:33):
They blend in very well.

SPEAKER_00 (49:35):
You'll walk right up on them and uh and never even
know it.
And next thing you know, it's aOh man.
They you might just be like, Ididn't catch up to check them in
the daylight.
Oh, last year I caught I caughtone on a drag, and what a drag
is like it's not anchored in theground.
It's just a you know, a like afork that's like twisted and it

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catches on on like a like abrush and stuff.
Brush and stuff, and keep themfrom going too far, but you got
a 10-foot chain on it.
And I caught one on a drag, andlike we were up on the old
railroad tracks going downhillon both sides, and we're like,
oh no, where is this thing?
And it was like tangled up in atop, and uh uh that one's it was
fun.

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I can imagine because it's theone thing I wouldn't want to
wrestle around with is ballcat.

SPEAKER_01 (50:21):
Yeah, right.
And they do, they blend in realwell.
Uh another question I see upthere is freezing weather.
Uh best traps for freezingweather.
Uh if you're up north, down herewe don't worry about that too
much because we don't have thelong freezes like they do up
north.
If if you were, say, somebody upnorth in you know, northern
Indiana, northern Illinois,Ohio, up Panimals areas, I would

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use a four-coal trap.
Down here, four coal is notnecessary uh for coyote or
bobcat to the colour.
Kind of explain that.

SPEAKER_04 (50:51):
Explain what that is.

SPEAKER_01 (50:52):
Uh your coal spring traps, you'll have the the
springs their cells are arecoiled up steel springs.
And by adding those extra twocoals, they're smaller coals,
what they do is they give thattrap more power coming out of
the ground.

SPEAKER_04 (51:06):
I gotcha.

SPEAKER_01 (51:07):
So if you got more freezing weather, that's gonna
give you a little bit extrapower coming out of the ground.
Uh a lot of guys up there theyuse wax dirt or buckwheat holes.

SPEAKER_00 (51:17):
What do you do, too?

SPEAKER_01 (51:18):
Um I don't use the wax dirt, I use peat moss more
than anything.
I because it's cheap, I can getit at the you know, anywhere
they sell nursery supplies, youknow, you can get the peat moss.
And the peat moss, you can justsift it out, let it dry, and
it's good to go.
Uh but as far as the freezingweather down here, we don't have

(51:39):
to worry about it down here inthe state of Arkansas that much
or in the south.
But up north they do.
So like a lot of those guys upthere, they'll make big old
they'll have a 55-gallon drum ofwax dirt.
Uh and it's a lot of work tomake that stuff.
But if you're gonna trap a lotof canines and a lot of cats and
stuff in those areas, you'regonna have to have that wax dirt

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up north.

SPEAKER_00 (52:00):
Well, actually, we use a lot of it here because
where we trap the ground getswet.
And and it I mean, if it getsbelow freezing for a day or two,
the ground will freeze and thentrap's on fire.
So, but during the summertime wewe get dirt, we spread a tarp,
and we get some wax, and we justthrow it out there and we stir
it up every day.
Because it gets so hot in thesummertime milk, you know, that

(52:22):
it it and and another thing, alot of times I'll just go over
to a pine tree and pull the topback and get where, you know,
you know, the mulch and stuffunder that instead of buying it.
I just use I use that a lot.
But but we're in a pine thicket,yeah.
So it's readily available.
Yeah.
But the the ground will freeze alot, so we we but we only use it

(52:42):
when the bad weather's comingin.
Otherwise, we don't need to.
Right.
So we don't go through a wholelot of things.

SPEAKER_01 (52:49):
There's one right there that I'm gonna touch on is
the dyeing and painting yourtraps.
Uh you can dye your traps if youwant to, you can paint them.
And a lot of reasons for thedye, one is to protect the trap,
and two is scent control.
You you have a lot of guys thatget hung up on scent control.
Don't get hung up on scentcontrol.
Right.

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That coyote knows you've beenthere, okay?
Now, 50 years ago, well, 50, 60,100 years ago, when there wasn't
as many people, scent controlwas a big deal.
But now there's peopleeverywhere.
That is true.
Coyotes, they know what a humansmells like.
They know what a tractor smellslike, they know what a rusty
fence smells like.

(53:30):
So, you know, don't get hung upon scent control.
As far as dying and paintingyour traps, that's just a
personal preference.
We had a lady that uh was one ofthe in our association at one
time, all her traps were hotpink.
She painted them hot pink,caught cows and bobcats in them.

SPEAKER_04 (53:47):
That's pretty wild.

SPEAKER_01 (53:48):
So it there's there's people on there that
paint them blue, they paint themall different colors.
So it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_04 (53:54):
That's probably then just totally reference.

SPEAKER_01 (53:55):
It is, it's just preference.
It is just preference.

SPEAKER_00 (53:58):
So, like with me and my husband, uh my traps are one
color and his traps are another.
And then our dog proof that weset out, we we paint them white
so that if we're, you know, weyou know, we got creek bridges
and stuff, and if we go down thecreek bed and set traps, we can
check them from the road becausethat white is gonna stand out.
Right, right, right.
We don't have to, you know.
Did you say dog proof?

SPEAKER_04 (54:19):
Yes, dog proof.
All right, go ahead and explainwhat that means.

SPEAKER_00 (54:21):
It means like a you can not catch a dog?
It won't it it's a cylinder.
That's the one they dig into.
Yes, coons, mainly.
Uh coons, possums, skunks, youknow, they can reach in there
and they'll when they pull theirpull their paw out, they pull a
trigger and it catches them.

SPEAKER_02 (54:36):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (54:36):
And those are perfect for you know kids and
chicken pins.

SPEAKER_01 (54:41):
It is.
They had it in the tub.

SPEAKER_04 (54:43):
And he put his hand in there, was digging out some
corn or something.
I don't know what he's getting.
Yeah, get his wrist.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (54:49):
Yep.
That that those are those footsnares like that, they use those
not only on bears, they also usethem overseas to study tigers
and stuff with.

SPEAKER_04 (54:57):
I couldn't even imagine.

SPEAKER_01 (54:59):
It's amazing how many trap you know, it's amazing
people people go, hey, we wantthese animals released in our
area, like those wolves andstuff out there, but I guarantee
you they didn't go here puppypuppy to catch them.

SPEAKER_02 (55:09):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (55:09):
They trapped them.
They trapped them and and theyreleased them unharmed.
So, you know, you've got oneside that are people who are
conservation-minded.
You know, like the trappers andduck hunters and deer hunters
and water, you know, fishermenand all of us, we're all
conservation-minded.

(55:30):
Then you have the other sidewhich is emotionally minded.
They play on their emotions.
And they don't care about theconservation side.
They just play on the emotionalside.
So if you if you ever get intoanything dealing with some of
these people, these animalrights people and stuff, you're
gonna deal with emotions.
Oh, yeah.
And that's all you're gonna dealwith.
They they don't know anything,they don't know they don't deal

(55:52):
in facts, they deal in emotions.

SPEAKER_04 (55:54):
Well, I mean, it's like, and you know, when they
dump grey wolves back into anecosystem, it hurts just
slaughtering elves.
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 (56:02):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 (56:03):
You know, it's like, look at that.
But that's cute and fancy.
That's as natural as it gets.

SPEAKER_03 (56:09):
I actually added PETA on Facebook just so I can
make fun of them.
See, that's something I woulddo.
Like I used to comment on alltheir stuff.

SPEAKER_01 (56:18):
Don't don't say people for eating tasty animals.

SPEAKER_04 (56:22):
No, it don't matter what you're into.
There's gonna be people thatfight against it.
They are.

SPEAKER_01 (56:27):
They are.
And it it doesn't matter if it'sif it's hunting, fishing,
trapping, or if you're swimmingdown on a swimming hole,
somebody's gonna be mad about itat some point in time.

SPEAKER_00 (56:34):
And what we do, the way we do it, is way more humane
than what they how the animalstake care of themselves in the
wild.
Yeah, I mean it really is.
It really is.

SPEAKER_01 (56:45):
Oh yeah.
If you've if if you've never runacross raccoons dying of parval
or distemper, that is a sight tosee.
It is it'll make you think aboutanother reason we need to trap.
Overcrowded, yeah, overcrowded,they'll they'll just die out and
it's it's horrible for them.

SPEAKER_00 (57:00):
And I tell you what, though, um back to turkey
hunting, we was talking aboutearlier, is the reason we got
started.
Within a year, our populationdoubled.
Within two years of just me andmy husband trapping 3,000 acres.
Yeah.
Within two years, it you know,it it doubled.
Oh, it helps.
And I mean, like now we get gamecamera pictures and the the

(57:22):
whole thing is just full ofturkeys.
There'd be 30, 40 turkeys.
Whereas three or four years ago,you couldn't find a turkey.
If you got one on camera, it wasa miracle.

SPEAKER_04 (57:31):
Big deal.

SPEAKER_00 (57:32):
Yeah.
And so now in our our you know,in our the our lease, anybody
that goes turkey hunting,they've all everybody killed a
turkey this last year.
Nobody was out there not able tofind one.
Right.
And and that's just from myhusband and me.

SPEAKER_04 (57:48):
Taking away some of the predators that does killing
them out.

SPEAKER_00 (57:51):
And we're not just out there slaughtering them.
We catch, you know, on thelease, we catch like 30, 40
critters a year, you know.
But it adds up, though.
Well it does.
It makes a huge difference.

SPEAKER_01 (58:01):
Uh one one question that was asked, well, what's the
main luxury item in your pack?
And the main one I have is my Shook setting tool for it's a
tool designed to close and openS hooks.
That's my yeah, because otherthan that, you're gonna have
three or four pairs of plierstrying to pry those things in.
That one tool does it.
That one tool does it all rightthere.

SPEAKER_00 (58:20):
It makes a huge difference.

SPEAKER_01 (58:21):
It is a huge difference.
That's probably my biggestluxury item.
That's your go-to, uh that's mygo-to.

SPEAKER_00 (58:26):
Uh I I've had some back problems.
And so we went from I mean, thehardest part of making a set is
hammering it in.
I mean, that is the absolute setday is like, you know, the best
workout ever.

SPEAKER_02 (58:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (58:40):
Uh and so we went to drags and cables, you know, it
it so that I could make it lesslabor as well.

SPEAKER_04 (58:47):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (58:48):
Right.
And uh so we I set a lot ofdrags and cables last year and
it made my life a whole loteasier.

SPEAKER_04 (58:54):
So yeah, it made a difference.
Is it is it quicker to like saywe're gonna pull a trap up and
uh move sets?
Is it easier with a trap?

SPEAKER_01 (59:01):
Yeah, it's a lot quicker with a drag.

SPEAKER_00 (59:03):
Because I imagine with it being hammered in, it'd
be especially where we, youknow, where we if at one point
we were trying to pull one witha truck and we could not pull
this thing out of the groundwith a truck.

SPEAKER_01 (59:13):
Those those the the stakes that a lot of us use now
are not the stakes that yearsago we don't use the rebar
stakes like we used to.
We have what they call a uhdisposable stake.
Right.
It's a piece of metal and it'sgot a cable on it or a chain on
it, and you drive it in theground, and when you yank on it,
it'll it'll go down like this,but when you yank on it, it'll
come back like this.

SPEAKER_00 (59:32):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (59:33):
It you can't basically.
Yeah, it's what that's what m Iused.
Yeah, is there a lot of things?

SPEAKER_04 (59:37):
So it's like you're pretty much like the only thing
you're missing is actuallygetting the job done.

SPEAKER_03 (59:40):
Yeah.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 (59:42):
It sounds like he had all the stuff to do.

SPEAKER_00 (59:44):
He had the easiest target.

SPEAKER_03 (59:45):
My father had everything in Japan.

SPEAKER_00 (59:47):
Well Okay, so we have a Facebook page.
Are you um are you a member ofour Facebook page?

SPEAKER_03 (59:53):
I'm not.

SPEAKER_00 (59:53):
Okay.
So with you being in Magnolia,you're actually in my district.
And so we have a district pageas well.
And there are people on thatpage that live down there.
And so if you were on our page,you could say, Hey, I've got a
bobcat problem.
Um, I've done this, this, andthis.
Is there anybody that could comehelp me get started or come, you

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know, work with me?
And that's the good thing aboutthe the association is
somebody's always willing tohelp.
Absolutely.
Always.
And go ahead and tell them thethe name of the district page.
Okay, it's District 8, ArkansasTrappers Association.
Okay.
And I am Is that El Dorado too?

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:29):
Is that all the same district?

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:31):
District 8, I I am um let's see, Grant, uh, Hot
Spring, and I'm Washtaw, Dallas,Calhoun, Nevada, Union, and
Columbia, I believe.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:45):
It's a pretty big district.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:47):
Yes, it is.
And I'm at the top of it.
Um, you know, but but it's we wedon't do just a whole lot as
districts, but you know, we wedo put on some one-day
workshops.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:00):
Uh and if you're on that page, you'll see when one
of those one-day workshops ishappening, and then you can go
to that and get a lot oflearning from the workshops.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:08):
So I definitely learn some stuff.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:09):
So each each district has a page, and then we
have just one page.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:15):
There's there's nine districts in a state.
Gotcha.
Okay.
And uh there's a lot of learningthat you can do on those.
We also have a YouTube channel,uh Arkansas Trappers TV.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:25):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:26):
Uh you can go on there.
There's uh not a lot of videoson it yet.
We're still getting videos fromviewers and getting those put on
there when we get them.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:34):
So you're accepting like viewer videos to post up?

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:38):
Yes.
Okay.
Yes.
And the reason we want that isyou know, if we got you know one
of our viewers that he's uh beentrapping for say twenty or
thirty years and he makes a setand he catches you know
something in it or he's showinghow to make a set, that's
learning for somebody else.
That's that's educational forthat other person.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:54):
That's a bunch of different point of views, too.
It's like one person goes andteaches tries to teach all the
skills, you're getting hisperspective of it.
Right, right.
And it's more than just thatwhen it comes to the phone.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:04):
And every time I go to a demo, no matter where that
demo is or who's doing it, Iusually learn something from
that demo.
So you're gonna be constantlylearning.
Uh and you may see somethingthat, hey, I never thought about
trying that, and you'll try itand it works for you.
Or you know, it may not work inyour area.
Uh I and I think animals uhanimals get accustomed to
certain things.

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Uh if you use the same lure overand over and over, eventually
they're gonna get accustomed tothat and you're gonna have to
change up.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:30):
One of the things that I learned, um, you know,
just on a random set, uh on arandom uh demo, um a guy that um
he's from South Arkansas downaround Chichester, um he did a
work he did a workshop for usand he was doing a bobcat demo
and he said bobcats love a burntlog.
It's like if if you're you knowyeah, you know, just if you

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build a fire, just grab yourburnt log, put it in your truck,
and throw it out on the set.
And that and and I mean hebrings a truckload of cats to
the fur sale, you know.
So he's got a line that's athing to do.
He knows how to catch it.
And I mean, who would havethought a burnt log?
And you know, just that's justtrial and error.
Yeah, it's it's um it'scuriosity, and so it's just
something like another guy saida fox loves a white rock, and so

(01:03:18):
I I got a truck bed full ofwhite rocks.
I find a big one and I'm like,hey, that'll work.
It's a nice white rock.
I'm just throwing the truck, youknow.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:26):
Well, that's awesome.
I I think we're getting close totime now, but uh I think we'll
end on one thing, and it's aquestion for y'all.
Who's the best trapper to everlive?

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:35):
Who's the best trapper that ever lived?
Ooh, that's a that that would bea tough question.
The most renowned trapper thatcomes to your mind when you
probably the most renownedtrapper that comes to my mind
would be some of the guys upnorth, E.J.
Daly, uh that these guys arelong gone now, OL Butcher.

(01:03:57):
Uh, because when I was readingthose fur fishing game
magazines, those were some ofthe guys I were reading, I was
reading.
And if you've never read any ofthose old uh stories and stuff
from them guys back in thosedays, those guys were tough.
They would go out in theAdirondack Mountains in New York
and camp out for monthstrapping, and they didn't take a
lot with them.

(01:04:17):
I mean, they they were prettyrough roughing it.
Yeah, the nice little weekendwins.
It's kind of like what we'redoing this weekend.
We're roughing it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:24):
Yeah, we're not roughing it like that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:27):
But yeah, but i if I had to say famous trappers and
and I would say the guys thatcame before us, the guys that
trapped, you know, during thebig fur trade in the back during
the mountain man days, though,you know, those guys right
there, you look at what theywent through.
Oh, gosh, you know, Indians,brutal, everything going, you
know, after them.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:47):
Still doing it.
See, I don't I don't know, um, Idon't know all the history, but
I know that him and and uh acouple other guys in the
association, Mike Fisher, AaronHitchcock, those guys made a
difference in my life.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:03):
Right.
You know, so it's different, youknow, yeah for like just the
experience when you got started,you know.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:08):
And and that's one thing I love about the
association.
These guys, I went to MikeFisher and I said, This fox
stole my bone.
He he dug up my trap.
I cannot catch this fox to savemy life.
And he told me exactly what todo, what lure to use, a white
rock and a pine cone.
And I was insane.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:27):
This guy was catching 300 fox a year a year
ago.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:30):
So matter of fact, um he he just caught his
15,000th beaver of his life.
And and so those guys keep upwith it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:40):
Yeah, that's what's even crazy to me.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:42):
Yeah, I mean, he he's got he's got some serious
information.
Yes.
And so these guys are my heroes.
They're the ones, and me being afemale, you know, they never
once ever treated me any lessthan a trapper.
You know, I've never been lookedat as as a woman.
I was I was a trapper.
Right.
And that that makes a bigdifference to me because, you

(01:06:03):
know, I might have to do thingsa little bit different, but I'm
an equal.
Right.
And the same game.
Yeah, same game.
And it it makes it makes a bigdifference.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:11):
And I'm gonna touch on what she just said right
there, being a female in thetrapping world.
Right now, that is the largestgrowing group of trappers is
females right now.
Women are really getting intothe trapping.
There's several Facebook pagesthat are geared strictly toward
women.
Uh there's a lot of women outthere right now that are really
getting into the trapping.
So that's a that that's it'sit's interesting that that's

(01:06:34):
happening.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:35):
It is interesting because you gotta look at like
what is going on in the closet,you know.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:39):
And if I if I could say one thing about it, don't
don't be a woman.
Don't use that as a that that'snot leverage.
Just be a trapper.
Yes.
You know what I mean?
And like and yeah, some womencan't sit traps with their
hands, they gotta do it withtheir feet.
Um everybody's different.
You you gotta do what you gottado, but just be a trapper.

(01:07:01):
That's cool.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:01):
I mean, it's cool.
It's definitely, you know, I'mI'll figure out a lot more today
about trapping.
I did too.
I'm gonna catch them now.
I'm probably gonna go with himjust to watch it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:10):
Hey, uh listen, we we love trapping, and and if you
if you have the opportunity togo to a workshop or a
convention, do it.
Because these these people, theythey will the tra the convention
ends on Saturday and Sunday atnoon, we're still sitting there
talking about trapping.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:28):
I promise you, like we we just my father-in-law just
started doing it last year andhe got into it pretty good.
He caught a lot.
I mean I mean I can guaranteeyou he's gonna do it again this
year.
Absolutely.
He was over there coaching.
I was thinking that's that samequestion.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:44):
Yeah, it'd it'd change your life for sure.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:47):
Well, maybe we'll see what chocolate catches this
year.
Maybe we'll uh put the camerawith chocolate and see if we can
get it done.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:52):
Join our Facebook group and post some pictures,
let us know.
Ask questions, you know.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:57):
We're yeah, video just post a picture of nothing.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:02):
Video yourself making us sad.
Video yourself making us sad.
What am I doing wrong?
And everybody goes out.
Pick it apart.
Yeah, we'll break it up.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:10):
Somebody'll tell you what you're doing wrong.
Oh, I guarantee you.
Even if you're doing it right,they'll tell you what you're
doing it wrong.
Yeah, you got it, you got it,buddy for sure.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:17):
But somebody's gonna say something.
Well, guys, I appreciate it.
Thank you for coming.
And uh learned a ton of stuff.
And guys, if you want to seemore stuff like this, let us
know.
Make sure you leave a like, hitthe bell for notifications, and
we'll catch you on the next one.

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