May 5, 2025 • 47 mins
Kyle Edenfield from Black and Gold K-9 shares his extensive experience in professional dog handling, from tracking criminals with bloodhounds to searching for explosives at the Super Bowl. His fascinating journey spans military security operations in Afghanistan, working with over 15 dog teams in Kuwait, and training various breeds for specialized detection work.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's five o'clock and you're off the clock with B
Scott.
Now today we have as our guestKyle Edenfield with Black and
Gold K-9.
All right, he's reallypassionate about K-9s, very
experienced.
He's going to walk us throughwhat they do, what he trains
them for, and we're just goingto talk about Dawg man.
He knows a lot.
He's a great guy I'm excited tolearn about.
You know the K-9 forces and theway he does when he's out
(00:21):
looking for you know contraband,whatever people manhunting.
So if you're into that kind ofthing, you need to listen up.
So before we get into it,though, leave a like, subscribe
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Speaker 2 (00:35):
That was Super Bowl 53.
I was security over there atthe hotel K-9.
My job every morning was tosearch Tom Brady's car him and
his wife's car.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Brand new Maseratis brand new, so you're searching
it for, like any kind of just.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Anything.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Really.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah, anything.
Explosives, narcotics, anythingthat's wild.
Yeah, it's crazy.
Some of the stuff is crazy,some of the concerts.
And who, like, hired you to dothat?
If this was a privatecontractor, is that what it is?
Yeah, private.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yeah, that's big in the canine field now so kind of
give me a walk me into like howyou got started in that and like
what you specialize in okay,back in 1998 I was stuck on a
railroad track for eight hoursand the mate had escaped.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, I said it stayed out there for eight hours
and I said to myself I'm gonnaget on the chase team and I.
It took me three times and Imade it and three months after
getting on it I was dog handlerreally yep.
Then they moved me up to frombloodhound to a lab searching
(01:44):
narcotics.
So basically I was on call 24-7.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
I got you, so they would call you up and say hey,
you need to bring your dog andwhen you search, blah, blah,
blah and that's what you woulddo.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yep.
Man, so you got into trainingdogs now, yeah, I try to do
in-house dog training.
Plus I travel.
If I have to, I travel to go dodog training.
I do off-leash obedience, I dodoor manners people coming in
(02:15):
greeting the dog, so the dogdon't jump on people.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Recall distractions, even introducing a baby to the
family, getting the dog used toit yeah, a lot of people you
know.
When you have a new baby.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
The first thing you think about is, like I hope my
dog's good with it.
Yeah, all you got to do is goto walmart buy a baby doll,
start working with it and letthe dog get used to it.
And let the dog start smellingstuff as they're bringing it
into the baby's room.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Everything's perfect so do you think are issues that
dogs may have in the household?
Do you think those are dogrelated, or you think it's maybe
a little bit of both the peopleand the dog, or like, do you
think it's just you know, like Ihave a hard time believing that
dogs like acting up,misbehaving, it's just that
dog's fault, it's the people.
You think so, it's people.
(02:55):
Well, what kind of things yousee letting them jump.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Letting them jump on people.
Oh, he's just greeting you,he's just playing with you.
I'll come in a house with goodclothes on.
I don't want a dog jumping onme.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Right right.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Like if you're eating at the table, the dog's sitting
there staring at you like he'sbegging.
It's just people letting himget away with anything.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
And then one thing leads to another.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, but a little kid, just like a little kid.
You tell the kid don't grabthat cookie jar.
He's steady grabbing.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah, well, it makes sense, though I mean you have to
.
It's just like people you givethem an inch, they're going to
take a mile.
Exactly.
And a dog you know it's goingto want more and more and more
and more.
And having discipline with yourdog is definitely a good thing
especially when it comes topeople coming over, Like all the
incidents where people get bitwhat?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
do you think that's from that dog?
Might smell something on youthat he don't like.
It might be you being aroundanother dog or you being around
a cat, something like that, butdon't ever get eye level.
If you get eye level with a dog,they consider that a threat and
that's how a lot of people getbit Really.
Yeah, they go down to meet thedog, my dog, I had him trained.
(04:13):
He would sit by me and wheneverybody come in, the guys
would go up there and he wouldshake their hand.
I say shake and they wouldshake their hand.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Wow, yep yeah because I see all the time.
I mean I it all the time.
I mean I see it all the time.
People, you know like thepeople look at like pit bulls
and you know dogs like that asbeing dangerous.
But I feel like most of that'sjust because you know how
they're trained Exactly, exactly.
You know it's almost like ifyou have a dog like that with no
training, no discipline, I meanit's like a loaded gun.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Oh, oh, exactly.
No safety, yep.
That's why I've noticed a lotof police departments are
starting to go to pit bulls.
Really, yes For narcotics, yes,yep.
That's like with thebloodhounds.
I'm trying to find a way.
I did it crossing a blacktoproad.
When our hounds would hit theroad, they would lose track and
(05:01):
I would fan my trackers out towhere they could pick it back up
.
Oh, road, they would lose trackand I would fan my trackers out
to where they could pick itback up.
So what I did?
I would grab a handful of grassand I would rub it together in
my hands to get my scent onthere and I'd sprinkle it across
the road.
That way he would just pick upand keep going straight across
the road and I'd be right acrossthe road behind a tree to where
he'd say, okay, there he is,and Chris Oak, chris Oak, a, a
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burn, a bloodhound's nose.
So bad where they won't even puttheir nose on the ground really
, yes, I tracked the guy forfive miles on railroad track and
my dog, she couldn't even puther nose down.
It burned it so bad really yep,that's crazy so.
So the Kuhan Luke story don'twork with the pepper, hmm.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
It don't work.
So whenever you're tracking aguy, I imagine it gets pretty
hairy when you finally get tohim.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Oh, yes, it does so.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
do your dogs?
Are they trained to like baythem up, or are they just find
them and chill out?
What do they do?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
No, we bay them up Really.
Yeah, because it's usually ahandler and a four-man tracking
team that's with you and plus asheriff's deputy.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I got you.
Yeah, Are your tracking dogs?
Are they on leash or are theyjust?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
No, they're on a 20-foot leash.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I got you.
Yeah, see, they're all rightthere on them.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Oh yeah, we're on them yeah.
Man that's crazy.
Last one I did.
I was 30 yards into the trailand already found a 45 on the
ground.
30 minutes later I ran both ofthem out on two, two guys that
was waiting on on the roadwaiting to see which direction I
was going.
(06:33):
They ran right up on them.
So whole chase lasted maybe anhour yeah, that's.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I imagine you're pretty hard to get away from dog
yeah, it is it's moving faster,smells way better.
Oh yeah, you know, and likeevery decision you're making, he
ain't making a decision, he'sjust staying on the line that's
right, you got.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
You got to watch every movement that dog makes.
You got to stay like one stepahead of him.
If you don't, he's got control,he's gonna.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
He's gonna go wherever he wants to go, I
imagine so even like you knowtracking some deer or some
buddies that had dogs and stuff,it's like they'll get you.
You know that dog's gonna gowith that deer when you know
it's not always comfortablewalking.
Yep, you know it's like youmight get drug up to the thicket
, but that dog's on the deer yepyou know, so do you do any?
Uh, you know tracking animals,deer.
You know game, anything likethat.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
We're gonna I'm gonna start doing that tomorrow as a
matter of fact.
Really yeah, we're gonna startdoing that tomorrow as a matter
of fact.
Really yeah, we're going tostart doing that.
I'm getting back into mantracking, search and rescue and
wild game tracking.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
That's pretty good.
You pretty much got all basescovered.
I mean, what else dog-relatedcould you track Not doing
narcotics, stuff like that?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Narcotics, that's very, very, very easy, very easy
.
But as far as like man tracking, as long as people does not go
in there and contaminate thearea, that's what happened to me
.
That's what happened to me.
Nobody went in, just me and mycrew.
Our called them, yeah, but ifyou get somebody coming in there
(08:07):
, it's got the dogs all messedup.
He's got 20 different scents.
He's got to go through and thatmakes sense.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
I've actually heard that before on the uh deer
tracking side.
You know, don't go if you, ifthe blood trail ain't good, you
know, you know you're probablygonna get a dog just back out.
Yeah, no reason to contaminateit.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
That was, that's what that was my saying.
When, in doubt, back out.
That's right, dude.
Yep, that, yep.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Just wait, get it all together, then start back up
your chances yes, it does letthe dog do what he's supposed to
do that's right, let it.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
And if you want to work him off leash and you can
run with him, let him go,absolutely so you.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
so you, you surely have, uh, some kind of special
connection with dogs, you know,have you always had dogs growing
up?
Have you always been attachedto dogs?
Yes, working with them.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yes, yes, I get real attached to my dogs.
That start young for you.
Yeah, yep, let's see, I had myfirst.
I had a blue heeler.
I was like 10 years old, lovedthat dog to death.
There's something about it, youknow.
You can feel the bond.
(09:09):
You can feel it.
It's just like with a workingcanine.
You can feel it.
It's like it just flows throughwhat?
Speaker 1 (09:17):
it does.
It's like an extension.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
You're an extension you're a team, it's a dance.
Everything you do is a dance.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I know people we duck hunt and their only thing,
everything you do is a dance.
You know, I know people who eatduck hunt and their only thing
they want to do is, you know,the duck dog, that's it.
I mean, that's why they'rethere.
They don't care about shootinga duck, they don't care about
driving the boat in nothing.
It's all about that dog.
They're just working that dog.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
That's it.
That's me set up a trainingproblem, going to the main
training problem just to see ifmy teams are on top of their job
.
And you'd be surprised how manywould walk by and their dog
would go to alert to let themknow it's there.
(09:56):
They would just they would jerkthe dog away Really.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Not trust a dog.
I imagine that's something youhave to consider too when you're
doing all that.
It's like you're young,training a dog.
I imagine that's something youhave to consider too when you're
doing all that.
It's like you're young traininga dog.
It's still early on, you know.
You think, ah, there's no way,but the dog, you know, might be
right.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Oh yeah, you always trust your dog Right, always,
regardless.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Always Do you have any situations where, like
something like that happened andyou should have trusted the?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
dog.
Yeah, as a matter of fact, 2018, I almost shut down opening day
at Rocky Stadium in Denver.
Really, yeah, one of my dogsalerted on a locker, so they
called me.
I went in, my dog hit on thesame locker.
The VP of K-9 and the owner ofthe company was there and I
(10:45):
asked him did you put anytraining aids in that locker?
He said no.
I said shut it down.
He said why?
I said both dogs is hit on thislocker.
I said I'm calling it Shut itdown.
Well, they was fixing to makethe phone calls Come to find out
it was one of the housekeeping.
It was a can of ammonia.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Ammonia cleaner the dog picked up on the ammonia
smell.
Imagine that, hey, but in thatsituation, you know, if it was
switched and it was something Imean, dude, that's, that's a
major difference between wifeand death, exactly exactly, and
I'd shut it down in a heartbeatyeah, right call wrong call,
wrong call.
Who cares, that's?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
right.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah, better be safe than sorry.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
That's right, and we would always go in two and a
half three hours early and do afull sweep before they even
started letting people in.
Then we would get out in thecrowd and start working our dogs
in the crowd.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yeah, a lot of times, you know, I've seen people,
people, you know, uh, walkingdogs around, smelling lockers,
like in school.
You know they bring the dogs inevery once in a while, smell
all the lockers and you knowpeople, people get nervous for
the dog.
It's like man, that dog rightthere is smarter than me you
know, it knows what's going on.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
It's got a plan.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Oh yeah, so I never worry about when I see it, but
it's incredible how the dogswork I worked.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I had two dogs that I could.
I could completely work offleash.
Just give them their command,yeah, and they, they would, they
would go off leash.
I had one such 30 vehicles.
All I tell them left, rightback, and he would do it so how
long you been doing that likesecurity, security.
(12:23):
I was department ofions for 11,almost 12 years and since then
it's been strictly privatecontracting.
But I started K-9 back in 98.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, you've been doing it a while.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Oh yeah, got some experience.
Yeah, I went to Afghanistan,worked over there back in 2012.
Went to Kuwait in 2013.
I had 15 dog teams.
I was over Really In Kuwait.
Yep, that's crazy.
You could see the tankers linedup like a boat parade.
(13:01):
They was just courting them inReally.
Oh yeah, if they got past us,they had two sniper towers right
there past the front gate.
So if they made it past us,that's where they'd have stopped
.
Hmm, yeah, that's insane.
Yeah, but my dog if they calledme my dog was just for
(13:23):
verification.
Okay, this dog hit, this doghit.
Now the supervisor's dog hit,okay.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, so you're like the last line of verification.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yes, if I give the okay.
Yeah, because as soon as I geton scene, everybody backs off.
I'm over, I'm completely overeverything.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
I see, yep, I see You're kind of like the for sure
, like yes or no.
Yep, yep, you draw the line, Idraw the line.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
So where do you see it taking you like, looking in
the future?
I know you're going to startdoing tracking dogs for a game
and stuff starting tomorrow.
What do you envision?
Speaker 2 (14:02):
the end, the band for this I want to be able to do
law enforcement dogs also.
I want Belgian, malinois,german Shepherds, I want them in
dual purpose narcoticsapprehension, explosives
apprehension.
And I also want cell phone,which cell phone dogs are very
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hard to train.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
What is that?
Explain that to me.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Cell phone dog.
The only thing they can hit onis the powder coating on the
motherboard.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
That's insane.
I don't even know what thatmeans.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
I don't even get that , yep, that little thin, thin,
thin coating on that motherboard.
That's what they're trained tosniff on.
Really, I thought it was thebattery, it's the, it's the
board and what exactly are theylooking for?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
like, like, what is like, what is that?
Speaker 2 (14:53):
it's just it's right there where your cell phone's
got that gap, at where you're,uh, where your keyboard's at
yeah, sniff right there.
And battery openings.
Anywhere there's opening onthat phone.
If they can get their nose toit they're going to hit it
really yeah, but my main focus,my main focus is really law
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enforcement.
Yeah, special trained SWAT,that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Oh yeah, tactical yes is it like a deal where you're
doing all the training and allthis, or do you have employees
that are helping train?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Eventually I'm going to get some fellow handlers that
I'm going to reach out toGotcha and I have some real good
personal friends that do boutwork, apprehension work.
Yeah, I'm going to get withthem too.
We have a building set up wherewe can do different scenarios.
I even have one do guns?
(15:48):
Search for guns.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
So a well-trained dog like that for you to train it,
what does that cost?
You don't have to be exact, butroughly what does it cost to
get a well-oiled up machine likethat?
Speaker 2 (16:04):
About $40,000.
Really Give or?
Speaker 1 (16:06):
take.
Yeah, see, I've heard somenumbers you know right around
that.
It's just to me it's like youknow that's a tool, though it's
a special weapon.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I had one.
I was traveling with anotherhandler to Afghanistan.
His dog was over 100.
Yeah, yeah, that's crazy, oh100.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, yeah, that's crazy, oh yeah it's expensive,
very expensive very but, likeyou said, that was an extension
of you.
You know, having a well-traineddog.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Man has to be well-trained yep, and then there
, and I tell everybody if you'vehad a bad day or if you're just
mad at the world, let the dogbe a dog.
Don't even do nothing with him,because every emotion you feel
going down that leash right tohis head so you obviously have a
passion for I can tell oh yes,yes, everybody says it's a deep
(16:56):
it's a deep.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
It's a deep connection he has here.
I mean he has a special placein his heart for working dogs,
oh yeah yes, yes, I've, I'veworked labs, malinois Shepherds,
short-haired pointers.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
To me, the short-haired pointers, that was
the best ones, really, the funnyones.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Why is that?
They just?
Speaker 2 (17:16):
act up, yeah, like a child Energy, yeah, old energy.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Yeah, I imagine what's the hardest breed to
train Like.
In what scenario are youtraining them in?
That's hard.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Bloodhounds would be the worst, really, yeah,
bloodhounds.
Why is that Stubborn,hard-headed?
Yeah, yeah, you've got to.
In order for them to get yourinterest, you've got to have
something better than whatthey're already sniffing.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
And you know that with a bloodhound, that's right.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
That's impossible.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I know you can't pull them off of it, hardly either.
No, uh-uh, once it's there andin their mind, that's it, bye,
they're going.
Tunnel vision.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Tunnel vision.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
That's it, yeah, and and so you know.
Have you noticed anything aboutlike characteristics of dogs
that make them easier to trainor harder to train?
Like the way I see it, you know, different dogs got different
characters, exactly.
You know kind of like people.
Exactly Some of them are morewound up than others, got more
drive than others.
What do you look for in seeinga dog that has potential?
Speaker 2 (18:19):
I look for the drive of the dog.
If it's a medium, we call themsoft, medium or hard drive, hard
driven dog.
Right, I look for basically amedium.
That way he's not high strung,yeah, easy to work with.
Now the higher drive dogs yeah,they're awesome.
If you could they make you lookgood.
(18:40):
Yeah, we just call them pushbutton dogs.
Yeah, if you mess up, you justlet him go.
He's going to pick you back up.
He's going to do it yeah, he'sgoing to do it, make you look
good.
But to me medium medium drive,that makes sense, kind of less
timid.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yeah, I have one that's highly driven.
What you got A Black Lab and heis.
Uh, he could be a little bit ofa pain in the ass sometimes
because I mean he don't give itup, you know he'll wear you out.
Yeah, it's all he wants to do,though you know he just wants
that whatever is on his mind.
Don't matter if he has a ball,if he's trying to go fed, it
does not matter.
We're on the boat.
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He's just locked in shaking thewhole time.
Oh yeah, he just will not relax.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
He knows.
He knows what's up.
He knows he's ready to go towork.
That's like my dog, he knows.
He knew when I grabbed hisharness he would actually start
stepping into it helping meputting it on him.
He's ready to go.
Oh, he's ready to go.
He knows it's time to work andthey love it too.
Oh, yes, they love it.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yes, they do, and that's why you see people.
But, dude, there ain't nothingthat dog would want to do more
than run up and bite that hog'sear.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Exactly Like.
That's it Exactly and that'slike you said passion with a dog
what got me one day.
Till this day I remember I wasworking Cincinnati Paul Brown
Stadium for the Bengals.
I had a 13-year-old come up tome and shook my hand and said
thank you for your service.
To this day I still rememberthat.
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I mean that's what got me and Isaid that really meant a lot.
That hit home.
I said yeah, that's it, I likethat.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah, it does, and it's just like you know.
All the experience you havegoing around doing security is
you know, you pick up on thingsyeah, you know, and you
eventually get to where it'swhat you need to be doing
because you're good at it.
You know, I feel like we allneed to be doing something we're
good at to some extent Exactly,you know so I definitely tell
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if you have the passion, thedrive to do it.
I mean you keep getting betterand keep doing it, keep pushing.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
That's my main goal is I want to become a master
trainer.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Master trainer, yeah.
So how do you become a master?
Speaker 2 (20:59):
trainer.
You start off as a trainer.
I think you got to go throughso many dogs.
You got to start from a greendog, not knowing nothing, right
To being spot on, basicallyRight.
I think you got like a year,year and a half school you got
to take.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Oh, I got you.
Yeah, does it come with like alicense, like a, like a, so that
whenever you're like sellingtrained dogs, it brings a higher
number, because yes, yes, I gotyou Yep, and plus you go on a
list of whatever state you're inMaster dog trainers.
Ah, you're in master dogtrainers, ah yeah, so really,
that's definitely something topush for.
Oh yeah, especially in yourbusiness yep, that's is that.
(21:37):
That's exactly that's my goal,master trainer yep, how long do
you think it'll take to get it?
Speaker 2 (21:44):
going on now probably I would say probably give me
about two, two and a half years.
Yeah, I should be where I'm atsweet, that's good.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, I'm excited for you.
Oh, yeah, yeah, you uh, what,uh?
I mean, you said you alreadygot a place in the building.
You're ready to get ripping,aren't you oh?
Speaker 2 (22:01):
yeah, we're ready.
All we got to do is get the dogin there and start and start
start doing some training.
I might have, uh, I'm havingquartered off like living rooms,
bedrooms, yeah, to where I canbarricade myself in there and
get the dog to come in andactually pull me out, right,
yeah, and get like get up undera vehicle and have the dog come
up under the vehicle and evenget run down a railroad track.
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Right, get them used to thatcrisso if they can't start
working off the edge yeah,that's crazy man there's a lot
that goes into that kind ofstuff.
I think we got access.
I think it's like five acresaround the building.
So we're going to be doing alot of work out there in the
woods, a lot.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
How many dogs do you?
Speaker 2 (22:47):
think are going to run through a year, hopefully.
On law enforcement, I'm goingto say 20, 25, yeah, yeah, yeah,
the narcotics.
Narcotics is and and explosives.
They're pretty much the same,so trying to go easy with them,
I got you.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
How long does it take to get a dog?
Like time frame for like apolice dog, like that For a
police?
Speaker 2 (23:12):
dog total, I'd say probably about 12 weeks, Really
yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Man, it's really not that bad.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
No depending on his drive, Right, Depending on his
drive.
I've seen one spot on and rightwhen they go to get rid of him.
Nothing Couldn't get nothingout of him.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Hmm, it's funny.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
He's like I don't want to go.
Yeah, I've actually had my dog.
I was going to the entrycontrol point in Afghanistan to
search a dump truck.
My dog literally stopped andlaid down and would not get up.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
I wonder why.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Tired.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Really.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yep Didn't want to do nothing because he searched, I
think that month it was only twoof us.
We searched 800 dump trucks inone month.
They was bringing gravel in andhis dog alerted on a truck.
So he calls me.
He said did you set anythingout?
I'm like no, sir.
He said go get your dog.
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I said uh-oh.
So I went and got my dog,brought mine back.
He said fifth dump truck.
Well, I started on the thirdone.
When I got to the fifth onemine hit the same time, same
spot.
His did.
He says where are you going?
I said I'm going over there.
They got EOD out there.
Sure enough, they had swabbedthat truck, that tire with C4.
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And they was testing.
They was seeing how our dogswould do.
Next day.
Dude drove by our entrance andwent to the next one car bottom.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Really.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
And I was doing bot work with my dog when it went
off.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
No way.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Needless to say, I bit all that a bunch really yeah
just freaked out.
Yeah, he just freaked out.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
All of a sudden it freaked us all out yeah, so the
bomb went off, he just lost ithe just yeah, he just completely
lost it.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, man, but I got him back, I calmed him down and
put him up that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
And like you never know you go in every day you
never know what you're going tofind no, and then I was off that
day.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
It was a Saturday, I was off.
They had a gunfight.
They had a gunfight break outat the front gate.
A bullet went through my kennel.
Really I thought it was a rockoff.
One of them, deuce-and -a halfs, passed by and just hit the
kennel.
My dog just come out of hiskennel into my tent because it
was connected.
Yeah, that bullet went through.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Really.
So I mean, you got any stories,more stories about you finding
bombs, stuff like that C4, whereit just happened to just slip
through and just get in there.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
As a matter of fact, the only one one that I have as
far as stadiums and all that, no, but as I was in, uh, I was in
afghanistan working a trainingproblem and my dog sit against
the t-wall, the barricade, and Itold the trainer.
I said I got an alert righthere.
He said no, you don't I.
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I said yes, I do.
Well, we argued back and forthabout five minutes.
He went over there, ran his dogSame spot, same spot.
Come to find out it was C4planted in there from some guy
outside.
It was going to bust, that, itwas going to blow that T-wall.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Really.
Yeah, that's crazy man, that'sinsane, it is, it is.
I mean, really, there's a highdemand for dogs.
How many service dogs do youthink are in the police forces
in the United States?
I can't think of how manycanine units there are.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Well, just to give you a rough idea.
I worked Super Bowl 52 and 53.
At Super Bowl 52, they had justalone the parking lot and the
stadium, over 500.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Really Dang.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, you got to.
You got that many peopletogether.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Exactly, exactly, and plus all them high-profile
celebrities and singers, yeahright, yeah, you know a security
detail like that.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
I wonder how much that costs.
It's a lot.
Put 500 dogs on the ground,handlers, everything.
It's a lot.
I can only imagine it's a lot.
I bet it's a ton of money.
I bet it's astronomical About100.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Really About 100.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Man for just you know a day.
Yeah, or whatever.
I mean it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yeah, because we was up there usually 10 days.
Really 10 days before yesterday.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
So y'all would be there before.
Yeah, because I imagine thatwould be kind of a time to get
everything checked out, becausebefore everybody gets here and
there's so many eyes there.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Exactly and get your credentials and all that.
Yeah, and meet, meet your otherdog teams you're going to be
working with.
See I was, I was.
I was connected with our atf,with their dogs, so that's who I
worked with.
It was me and two other guyswith atf like an event like that
.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Has there ever been a case that you heard of where a
dog for some reason lashed outand bit somebody?
Yes like somebody was messingwith a dog, and shouldn't be,
because there's always that guyyou know, there's always guys
like that.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
They're just, oh you know, yeah, we uh, yep, yep uh
over there at the pepsi centeryeah in denver.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
One went up too close and got bit yeah, I mean what
happens in that situation, likethey just do a report or
something.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yeah, we do a report and they go to the doctor and we
put the dog up, make sureeverything's all right with the
dog, then go back and watch thevideotape to actually see what
happened.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
And a lot of times it'd be the people.
A lot of times it's the peoplejust walking up the dog would be
looking the other direction andthey come up behind the dog and
like kind of tap him or pet him, turns around.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
You know, that's a, he's a weapon, you know?
oh yes, a trained weapon, yes,exactly you know, you're gonna
walk up, you know, to a gun youdon't know if it's loaded or not
just pull the trigger, exactly,exactly, I mean same thing.
Yeah, yeah, you don't know ifit's loaded or not and just pull
the trigger.
Exactly, exactly, I mean it'sthe same thing.
Yeah, yeah, it's wild.
I imagine there's pretty crazystuff happening with canine
units.
I think it's probably thecoolest thing.
If I was in law enforcement, Iwould definitely, I think, be on
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that end of the team for sure.
Oh, yes, because I like workingwith dogs too.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I love watching tactical training with your dog.
You would, you would go, youwould give your dog the command
to sit or lay and you would runto cover, and then you would
look back and you'd give yourdog the command and he would.
He would crawl instead of walk.
Stuff like that's cool, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, that's what I want, yeah dude it's insane,
yeah, but it's like I got afriend of mine.
He's in, he's in training withuh navy seals.
Really that's cool.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Oh yeah well you know he's wired up.
Oh yeah, and I actually the, uh, the bin laden raid.
Yeah, I actually got to playwith one of the dogs that was on
it.
Really, yep, little year and ahalf old malinois man yeah, he
was trained in explosives anddogs aren't.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Aren't those them dogs that are like super, super
athletic, like the ones you seejumping 20 foot up, you know,
jumping off the walls and stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
That's them.
Mine would hang about sevenfoot up a tree on a rope.
He would just sit there andhang and just swing back and
forth.
Really, really.
Six o'clock in the morning,super fast, yeah, oh, very fast,
but yep, very fast.
But some have a long-term life.
But if you've got a hard-drivenMalinois, six, seven years.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I can see that, because I mean they're burning,
burning, burning, burning.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Yep, nonstop Yep.
All they want to do is pleasetheir handler.
That's all they want to do isplease their handler.
That's all they want to do.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yeah, that's all they want to do.
I mean, would you recommendthat breed for somebody that
wasn't going to train and wasjust going to have just a dog?
Speaker 2 (31:03):
No, that's what happened.
When that movie Max come out,everybody went to buy in a
Belgian Malinois that didn'tknow what they was doing and
next thing you know, you got allthese shelters and rescues with
all these Belgian Malinois inthere.
They don't know what to do withthem.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Yeah, exactly, yep.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
No, you're definitely riding the wrong way to do it.
Oh, it's definitely, and a lotof people do it the wrong way.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
A lot of them.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
I had one.
I had to go train.
I knocked on the door.
As soon as I heard that dog,I'm like this is not good.
This was the first dog thiscouple ever owned Really.
And I told them.
I said do you know what youhave right here?
She says no.
I said that's a BelgianMalinois.
I said this is.
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Did he come from a policeworking dog?
She said yeah.
I said y'all have no businesswith this dog.
Yeah, I said y'all need todonate it to a police department
.
Yeah, because he was trying tocome after me and she was doing
everything she could to hold it.
I said please don't drop thatleash, mm, because it mm-mm.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Eat you up.
Oh yeah, he was.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
They do a lot of damage fast too, oh yes, they're
quick and they won't releaseReally Because it's like a game
to them.
Yeah, it's like a game, likewhen you're actually doing
training with them.
It's a big game.
Their tails are wagging.
You notice, when they do anapprehension, you see their tail
wagging and all that.
It's a game, that's all it is.
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Yeah, they just want to get outthere and play and play,
basically yeah, play chase.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Basically, man, I get serious too, man.
I mean, I couldn't imagine getlatched on by one of them.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
It hurts I bet it hurts.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I can see it just snapping bones, cutting you to
shreds I had one.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I had one completely jerk my sleeve, my long, long
sleeve shirt completely jerkedthe sleeve off of it, quick,
quick, and I was no farther fromme to you and I was just
playing with the dog fiveminutes earlier, really.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Just snap, like that it just snapped, just like that.
Yeah, man, yeah, it's crazy too, because the dog feels, I think
.
I think they read the emotionthrough you.
They do you know cause you can?
You can walk in and greet a dogone way and greet it a
different way, and it iscompletely different.
You know, some dogs would betimid or they might, you know,
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be more aggressive.
You know, rattle the gate justby how you greet them.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
I go by that when I walk into a place and if I see
that dog get in front of theowner or come run and get beside
it, that's when I kind of youknow, because he's checking up,
yeah, he considers you a threat.
Well, let me go get in betweenmy owner and this threat until I
get to know who this is At thatpoint, at that moment, you know
?
Speaker 1 (33:50):
OK, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
I'm going to keep my distance.
And that's when people get bit,because that's when they oh
well, let me go down there, keeppushing it, keep pushing it,
and he wants you to stop.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Yeah, yeah.
I guarantee you pick up on alot of stuff like that over the
time.
Oh yeah, Working with dogs ohyeah.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
I could pick up movements like doing detections,
like I had one dog.
If he alerted on narcotics hewould take two steps back, sit
and wag his tail twice.
When I seen that tail wag twiceI said there it is.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah, what kind of narcotics they find a lot.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Well, it was back in the prisons.
It's marijuana, marijuana,strictly marijuana, really.
Yeah, I found a pound of it.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I bet you a dog can sniff that out so quick.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah, I bet I bet they have no problem with that.
No, they don't.
They don't, especially if it'shot.
Yeah, and what we call it bacon.
Oh yeah, they go right to it, Ibet yeah.
It's like if I'd work a room,whichever way he'd go, I'd go
the direction, or I'd just takethe leash, I'd pop the leash and
I'd tell him to go search.
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Let him find it on his own.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yeah, I mean like say , a room this big, this ain't a
very big room.
I mean, your dog would clearthis room?
I would think super quick.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Oh, he'd clear this room probably three minutes.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Really yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
And be real thorough at the same time.
And be real thorough at thesame time and be real thorough,
exactly yes, I would.
As soon as I open that frontdoor, I would see which
direction he would want to goand, like I said, I would just
pop my leash and tell him to goand do the whole room.
Do the whole room, make sureventilation's cut off, make sure
doors are open.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Let him go yeah that's crazy so, uh, I know that
I know that we don't talk aboutthe security and you know all
the, you know super bowls andstuff like that you've done.
But I mean, is there any likeout there, things that you
witnessed working dogs that youjust like got hairy and thought,
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man, it's bad?
Speaker 2 (35:48):
yeah, actually you'd be surprised of the people that
have service dogs.
That's really not service dogs.
I'm not surprised actually.
No, really.
I believe that I had one of mydogs got jumped on by so-called
service dog.
Yeah, and that got pretty hairy.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Yeah, can't you just get that paper on the internet,
can't you?
Yeah, yeah, you can get servicedog paperwork pretty easy.
Yeah, like $99.
Yeah, i't you just like getthat paper on the internet, like
, can't you?
I mean, yeah, yeah, like youcan get service dog paperwork
pretty easy?
Yeah, like $99.
Yeah, I mean, basically, allyou need is to pay for it.
Yeah, that's all you do.
I don't think there's anytraining at all.
They don't ask for nothing Like.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
What is it?
Emotional support dogs?
Is that what it is?
Yeah, K-9, good citizenshiptraining and all that, and that
consists of a lot.
You're looking at at least nine, ten months Really Just doing
ESA training.
Yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
So I get in that situation, say you're there,
you're doing security or you'redoing whatever it may be right,
looking for something.
Yeah, and there is a civilianservice dog in in the area, like
do you have the ability to say,hey, you know, can you remove
your dog for a second?
Speaker 2 (37:01):
or like, move them out, back them up, or something,
yeah, we can do that, or weeither just back off and let
them go.
Normally we'll just be the wejust back off and let them go.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Yeah, yeah, I got you .
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yeah, we'd back off, but other than that, there's no
problems with them.
Yeah, because we had what theycall bark at the park.
There's like 900 dogs there andwe're trying to work through
all this.
I bet that sounds like chaos.
It was utter chaos.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
I can only imagine, yes, yes, a bunch of non-trained
dogs with trained dogs, and thenon-trained dogs are messing
with the trained dogs.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Yes, that's what I see a lot, a lot of conflict.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Yes, Our dogs want to play.
Snap back in.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
I can only imagine, man.
They're just like kids, though,oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
They are, they are, they are Love them to death,
though.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Yeah, they're great.
I definitely couldn't livewithout a dog.
I've had dogs my whole life.
Oh have you?
Yes, I mean, right now I havethree.
I've got a wiener dog which ismy fishing dog.
Her name's Cricket and we gofishing.
Every time I go fishing she'swith me and she loves fishing.
Then I've got Ben, which Ican't take fishing.
He's a black lab.
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He's too locked in all the timehe's watching every single cast
all the way back to the, allthe way casted out, all the way
back, over and over, just worksitself to death.
And then we got this other dog,mystic picked it up.
It was like a stray.
I don't even know what it is,some kind of mutt, but it kind
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of looks like.
It has a little bit of GermanShepherd in it, but it's like
straight black but it has likekind of the build of German
Shepherd.
Okay, I'm not really sure whatit is, but and it's really sweet
just laid over, no drivewhatsoever.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Just laid back.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Yes, so I have like all three of the spectrum.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Oh yeah, yeah, I've got the driven, that middle
range you're talking about, andthen just the lazy yep, and
they're all differentpersonalities, you know, they're
just like kids.
Oh yeah, yep, yep.
And if they mine, when I usedto have, if he's seeing you in a
bad mood, he would do something.
He would do something stupid tomake you laugh yeah he's just
like.
He says I'm gonna he's in a badmood, pick you up and let me do
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this.
You know, just I would sitthere and laugh and say okay
yeah, and they're the same.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
They're the same every day, you know oh yeah
that's what's crazy about them.
You'll be up and down with yourmood, your whatever's going on
your life exactly that dog,though, is the same every single
day happy every day, exactly,yep, exactly.
I mean, we don't deserve dogs.
No, I'm telling you, we don't.
No, there's too many peoplethat abuse them, and exactly
treat them wrong.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Exactly that's like people with the, with that
e-collar.
I've seen people just I'm likeI'm like would you like to be
zapped like that 24, 7.
Yeah, I said let me put that onyou and see how it feels.
I said average human can onlytake six.
I said let me turn it up to 100and see how you like it yeah,
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they should wear them out too.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
No, yeah, and they uh all the time the toner, just
the toner alone, like the soundlittle beep.
I mean that's enough for 99.9of dogs.
They'll hear that and they'llknow what it's related to and
they're done I like to vibrate.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
The vibrate is good, but you can look on a person's
remote and you can see the.
The shock symbol justcompletely wore out.
The other two look brand new ohyeah, so you can tell right.
I said you, you shocked thisdog too much.
Yeah, that dog's used to thatcollar, so now that's all that
dog knows.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Yeah, that's all he thinks about too.
Yep If you put that on him, heknows like okay, everything just
changed.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Everything just changed.
Yep, yep.
And it's all about timing too.
If you're off on your timing,you're just hitting him them for
nothing.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
yeah, I imagine there's a lot to it.
Oh yeah, there's a lot to it.
Timing is everything when itcomes to working a canine.
Yeah, I explain exactly likewhat scenario timing plays plays
a factor that's like you.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
If you're searching a vehicle right, like I said,
you're always one step ahead.
Of that dog say you just hit thegas tank yeah okay, I'm
thinking next, okay, he's gonnahit these two passenger driver's
side door, then I I want tocome back to the hood, then I
want to come back and do anotherSearch down the side and just
cover myself and do it both ways.
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Always think ahead of that dogand if that dog alerts, I would
always point at something elseand say search, search.
And he'd never move.
I said, hey, it's right there.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
He's locked in on it.
Oh, he's locked in.
If you tell him to move, he'snot going to move.
Yeah, he's there.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
And when they know it , they know it oh yeah, they
know it.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
They ain't playing around either.
No, no, because he knows, if hedoes what he's supposed to, he
gets his toy Right.
He wins, yeah, he wins the game.
He wins Yep and he's done.
And I used to train my dogsMonday through Friday and
Saturday and Sunday.
I just let them be a dog, Iwouldn't do nothing.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Really.
Oh yeah, I had a pool.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
I had a pool set up, they'd get in the pool
everything.
Oh yeah, they had it betterthan I did.
Oh yeah, well, you know theywork at nine to five, exactly.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
You know like getting their break too, exactly.
That's awesome, man.
Well, I'm excited for you.
I hope, I hope you uh, you getto training, you start expanding
, you get your uh master trainerlicense and everything goes
good from there, man that'sawesome.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Oh yeah, man, that's what I'm shooting for black and
gold canines.
We're fixing to take off it.
Black and gold canines, it'sgoing to be good.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Oh yeah, I'm excited for you and thanks for coming
today man.
Oh, yes, I mean it means a lotand it's awesome to learn about
you and the compassion you haveand the drive that you have to
do that, Because I do think thatthe canine forces, units and
stuff are mandatory.
I think it's a must.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Oh it is.
It's definitely a must,especially if you've got a big
like a riot situation.
Yes, a show of force.
Yes, you definitely need dogs,yes, yes, I mean, you know, when
the dogs show up it's seriousand, to be honest with you, I
think it should be a canineofficer with a regular cop at
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all times.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Have two to a unit.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
A specialized officer and a regular officer.
That was my, that was.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
I've always said that .
Speaker 2 (43:28):
And also dogs in schools For active shooters or
narcotics.
I see that have a dog at schooltrained for weapons.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Yeah, because I mean, if that was to go down in that
school, that dog's on it quick.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Oh yes, Go ahead and take him down and be done with
it.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Yeah, probably long before it, even you know,
escalate to half of what itwould be.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Oh yeah, if the wind's just right and
everything's in that dog's face.
Oh, he'd hit that person beforehe walked in that door.
Mm in that dog's face.
Oh, he'd hit that person beforehe walked in that door.
Mm-hmm yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
I agree with that.
I'm one of those guys too thatbelieves, you know, that
teachers should be armed.
Yes, I think that that's a bigdeal.
I mean, if you come into aclassroom and the teacher has an
arm, you're not doing much inthat classroom.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
That's right, and I also believe veterans they
should let our veterans be oversecurity in some schools too.
Oh yeah, yep, yes sir.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Absolutely Be safer, then oh yeah, everybody's scared
of guns, but you don't realizethat.
You know, only law-abidingcitizens would ever turn their
guns in.
Yep, you know what I'm saying?
The criminals that alreadybroke a law.
Why would they all of a suddenstart following the law then?
Exactly, they wouldn't.
Exactly.
You just have less of a chanceto defend yourself.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Yep, it would only hurt you know your chances and
it's like you see peopleantagonizing these canines,
these police canines, gettingthey see just how far they can.
That dog can come out and theyjust sit there and just
antagonize, antagonize that dog.
But there's always that onetime they screw up and they get
bit and they get bit, they gethurt.
Yeah, bad, bad yep, Yep, I hada friend of mine.
(45:05):
He had his dog bit a dude thatwas barricaded up in the house
and broke his arm.
Really he was so hard broke hisarm.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
That I believe it.
Yeah, they're different man.
It's not like getting bit by aperson.
That dog's got some.
It's designed to bite.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Yeah, it's designed to bite.
Yes it is, but the worst bite Iever had was off an English
Bulldog.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Really, yep, that was the worst one.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
What did it do to you ?
It bit me on the back of my leg, behind my knee yeah bruised up
my whole back of my back of myleg and all he all I did was say
bye and I rubbed him on hishead and when I turned around,
walked off, he bit me golly.
And that's the first time thatdog ever bit me.
And I worked, I had him seven,seven months.
(45:51):
I trained that dog and he bitme at the last, last training
really yeah, like a farewellbite, yeah.
Basically he's like now paybackyeah I'll get out of here.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
I don't know, I wouldn't want to be bit for sure
it'll sound fun.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
Well no, they say you ain't a canine handler if you
ain't got bit yet, you gotta getbit.
Well, I'm not, and I ain't beenbusy I'm gonna keep it that way
.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
What'd you do all that?
That's the best way I'm tellingyou well, kyle.
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Appreciate it.
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Okay, you've got two years yousaid two years to be a master
trainer.
We're going.
It's five o'clock and you're off the clock with B
Scott.
Now today we have as our guestKyle Edenfield with Black and
Gold K-9.
All right, he's reallypassionate about K-9s, very
experienced.
He's going to walk us throughwhat they do, what he trains
them for, and we're just goingto talk about Dawg man.
He knows a lot.
He's a great guy I'm excited tolearn about.
You know the K-9 forces and theway he does when he's out
(00:21):
looking for you know contraband,whatever people manhunting.
So if you're into that kind ofthing, you need to listen up.
So before we get into it,though, leave a like, subscribe
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Speaker 2 (00:35):
That was Super Bowl 53.
I was security over there atthe hotel K-9.
My job every morning was tosearch Tom Brady's car him and
his wife's car.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Brand new Maseratis brand new, so you're searching
it for, like any kind of just.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Anything.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Really.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah, anything.
Explosives, narcotics, anythingthat's wild.
Yeah, it's crazy.
Some of the stuff is crazy,some of the concerts.
And who, like, hired you to dothat?
If this was a privatecontractor, is that what it is?
Yeah, private.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yeah, that's big in the canine field now so kind of
give me a walk me into like howyou got started in that and like
what you specialize in okay,back in 1998 I was stuck on a
railroad track for eight hoursand the mate had escaped.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, I said it stayed out there for eight hours
and I said to myself I'm gonnaget on the chase team and I.
It took me three times and Imade it and three months after
getting on it I was dog handlerreally yep.
Then they moved me up to frombloodhound to a lab searching
(01:44):
narcotics.
So basically I was on call 24-7.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
I got you, so they would call you up and say hey,
you need to bring your dog andwhen you search, blah, blah,
blah and that's what you woulddo.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yep.
Man, so you got into trainingdogs now, yeah, I try to do
in-house dog training.
Plus I travel.
If I have to, I travel to go dodog training.
I do off-leash obedience, I dodoor manners people coming in
(02:15):
greeting the dog, so the dogdon't jump on people.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Recall distractions, even introducing a baby to the
family, getting the dog used toit yeah, a lot of people you
know.
When you have a new baby.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
The first thing you think about is, like I hope my
dog's good with it.
Yeah, all you got to do is goto walmart buy a baby doll,
start working with it and letthe dog get used to it.
And let the dog start smellingstuff as they're bringing it
into the baby's room.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Everything's perfect so do you think are issues that
dogs may have in the household?
Do you think those are dogrelated, or you think it's maybe
a little bit of both the peopleand the dog, or like, do you
think it's just you know, like Ihave a hard time believing that
dogs like acting up,misbehaving, it's just that
dog's fault, it's the people.
You think so, it's people.
(02:55):
Well, what kind of things yousee letting them jump.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Letting them jump on people.
Oh, he's just greeting you,he's just playing with you.
I'll come in a house with goodclothes on.
I don't want a dog jumping onme.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Right right.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Like if you're eating at the table, the dog's sitting
there staring at you like he'sbegging.
It's just people letting himget away with anything.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
And then one thing leads to another.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, but a little kid, just like a little kid.
You tell the kid don't grabthat cookie jar.
He's steady grabbing.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah, well, it makes sense, though I mean you have to
.
It's just like people you givethem an inch, they're going to
take a mile.
Exactly.
And a dog you know it's goingto want more and more and more
and more.
And having discipline with yourdog is definitely a good thing
especially when it comes topeople coming over, Like all the
incidents where people get bitwhat?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
do you think that's from that dog?
Might smell something on youthat he don't like.
It might be you being aroundanother dog or you being around
a cat, something like that, butdon't ever get eye level.
If you get eye level with a dog,they consider that a threat and
that's how a lot of people getbit Really.
Yeah, they go down to meet thedog, my dog, I had him trained.
(04:13):
He would sit by me and wheneverybody come in, the guys
would go up there and he wouldshake their hand.
I say shake and they wouldshake their hand.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Wow, yep yeah because I see all the time.
I mean I it all the time.
I mean I see it all the time.
People, you know like thepeople look at like pit bulls
and you know dogs like that asbeing dangerous.
But I feel like most of that'sjust because you know how
they're trained Exactly, exactly.
You know it's almost like ifyou have a dog like that with no
training, no discipline, I meanit's like a loaded gun.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Oh, oh, exactly.
No safety, yep.
That's why I've noticed a lotof police departments are
starting to go to pit bulls.
Really, yes For narcotics, yes,yep.
That's like with thebloodhounds.
I'm trying to find a way.
I did it crossing a blacktoproad.
When our hounds would hit theroad, they would lose track and
(05:01):
I would fan my trackers out towhere they could pick it back up
.
Oh, road, they would lose trackand I would fan my trackers out
to where they could pick itback up.
So what I did?
I would grab a handful of grassand I would rub it together in
my hands to get my scent onthere and I'd sprinkle it across
the road.
That way he would just pick upand keep going straight across
the road and I'd be right acrossthe road behind a tree to where
he'd say, okay, there he is,and Chris Oak, chris Oak, a, a
(05:29):
burn, a bloodhound's nose.
So bad where they won't even puttheir nose on the ground really
, yes, I tracked the guy forfive miles on railroad track and
my dog, she couldn't even puther nose down.
It burned it so bad really yep,that's crazy so.
So the Kuhan Luke story don'twork with the pepper, hmm.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
It don't work.
So whenever you're tracking aguy, I imagine it gets pretty
hairy when you finally get tohim.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Oh, yes, it does so.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
do your dogs?
Are they trained to like baythem up, or are they just find
them and chill out?
What do they do?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
No, we bay them up Really.
Yeah, because it's usually ahandler and a four-man tracking
team that's with you and plus asheriff's deputy.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I got you.
Yeah, Are your tracking dogs?
Are they on leash or are theyjust?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
No, they're on a 20-foot leash.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I got you.
Yeah, see, they're all rightthere on them.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Oh yeah, we're on them yeah.
Man that's crazy.
Last one I did.
I was 30 yards into the trailand already found a 45 on the
ground.
30 minutes later I ran both ofthem out on two, two guys that
was waiting on on the roadwaiting to see which direction I
was going.
(06:33):
They ran right up on them.
So whole chase lasted maybe anhour yeah, that's.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I imagine you're pretty hard to get away from dog
yeah, it is it's moving faster,smells way better.
Oh yeah, you know, and likeevery decision you're making, he
ain't making a decision, he'sjust staying on the line that's
right, you got.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
You got to watch every movement that dog makes.
You got to stay like one stepahead of him.
If you don't, he's got control,he's gonna.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
He's gonna go wherever he wants to go, I
imagine so even like you knowtracking some deer or some
buddies that had dogs and stuff,it's like they'll get you.
You know that dog's gonna gowith that deer when you know
it's not always comfortablewalking.
Yep, you know it's like youmight get drug up to the thicket
, but that dog's on the deer yepyou know, so do you do any?
Uh, you know tracking animals,deer.
You know game, anything likethat.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
We're gonna I'm gonna start doing that tomorrow as a
matter of fact.
Really yeah, we're gonna startdoing that tomorrow as a matter
of fact.
Really yeah, we're going tostart doing that.
I'm getting back into mantracking, search and rescue and
wild game tracking.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
That's pretty good.
You pretty much got all basescovered.
I mean, what else dog-relatedcould you track Not doing
narcotics, stuff like that?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Narcotics, that's very, very, very easy, very easy
.
But as far as like man tracking, as long as people does not go
in there and contaminate thearea, that's what happened to me
.
That's what happened to me.
Nobody went in, just me and mycrew.
Our called them, yeah, but ifyou get somebody coming in there
(08:07):
, it's got the dogs all messedup.
He's got 20 different scents.
He's got to go through and thatmakes sense.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
I've actually heard that before on the uh deer
tracking side.
You know, don't go if you, ifthe blood trail ain't good, you
know, you know you're probablygonna get a dog just back out.
Yeah, no reason to contaminateit.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
That was, that's what that was my saying.
When, in doubt, back out.
That's right, dude.
Yep, that, yep.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Just wait, get it all together, then start back up
your chances yes, it does letthe dog do what he's supposed to
do that's right, let it.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
And if you want to work him off leash and you can
run with him, let him go,absolutely so you.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
so you, you surely have, uh, some kind of special
connection with dogs, you know,have you always had dogs growing
up?
Have you always been attachedto dogs?
Yes, working with them.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yes, yes, I get real attached to my dogs.
That start young for you.
Yeah, yep, let's see, I had myfirst.
I had a blue heeler.
I was like 10 years old, lovedthat dog to death.
There's something about it, youknow.
You can feel the bond.
(09:09):
You can feel it.
It's just like with a workingcanine.
You can feel it.
It's like it just flows throughwhat?
Speaker 1 (09:17):
it does.
It's like an extension.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
You're an extension you're a team, it's a dance.
Everything you do is a dance.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I know people we duck hunt and their only thing,
everything you do is a dance.
You know, I know people who eatduck hunt and their only thing
they want to do is, you know,the duck dog, that's it.
I mean, that's why they'rethere.
They don't care about shootinga duck, they don't care about
driving the boat in nothing.
It's all about that dog.
They're just working that dog.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
That's it.
That's me set up a trainingproblem, going to the main
training problem just to see ifmy teams are on top of their job
.
And you'd be surprised how manywould walk by and their dog
would go to alert to let themknow it's there.
(09:56):
They would just they would jerkthe dog away Really.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Not trust a dog.
I imagine that's something youhave to consider too when you're
doing all that.
It's like you're young,training a dog.
I imagine that's something youhave to consider too when you're
doing all that.
It's like you're young traininga dog.
It's still early on, you know.
You think, ah, there's no way,but the dog, you know, might be
right.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Oh yeah, you always trust your dog Right, always,
regardless.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Always Do you have any situations where, like
something like that happened andyou should have trusted the?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
dog.
Yeah, as a matter of fact, 2018, I almost shut down opening day
at Rocky Stadium in Denver.
Really, yeah, one of my dogsalerted on a locker, so they
called me.
I went in, my dog hit on thesame locker.
The VP of K-9 and the owner ofthe company was there and I
(10:45):
asked him did you put anytraining aids in that locker?
He said no.
I said shut it down.
He said why?
I said both dogs is hit on thislocker.
I said I'm calling it Shut itdown.
Well, they was fixing to makethe phone calls Come to find out
it was one of the housekeeping.
It was a can of ammonia.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Ammonia cleaner the dog picked up on the ammonia
smell.
Imagine that, hey, but in thatsituation, you know, if it was
switched and it was something Imean, dude, that's, that's a
major difference between wifeand death, exactly exactly, and
I'd shut it down in a heartbeatyeah, right call wrong call,
wrong call.
Who cares, that's?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
right.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah, better be safe than sorry.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
That's right, and we would always go in two and a
half three hours early and do afull sweep before they even
started letting people in.
Then we would get out in thecrowd and start working our dogs
in the crowd.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yeah, a lot of times, you know, I've seen people,
people, you know, uh, walkingdogs around, smelling lockers,
like in school.
You know they bring the dogs inevery once in a while, smell
all the lockers and you knowpeople, people get nervous for
the dog.
It's like man, that dog rightthere is smarter than me you
know, it knows what's going on.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
It's got a plan.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Oh yeah, so I never worry about when I see it, but
it's incredible how the dogswork I worked.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I had two dogs that I could.
I could completely work offleash.
Just give them their command,yeah, and they, they would, they
would go off leash.
I had one such 30 vehicles.
All I tell them left, rightback, and he would do it so how
long you been doing that likesecurity, security.
(12:23):
I was department ofions for 11,almost 12 years and since then
it's been strictly privatecontracting.
But I started K-9 back in 98.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, you've been doing it a while.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Oh yeah, got some experience.
Yeah, I went to Afghanistan,worked over there back in 2012.
Went to Kuwait in 2013.
I had 15 dog teams.
I was over Really In Kuwait.
Yep, that's crazy.
You could see the tankers linedup like a boat parade.
(13:01):
They was just courting them inReally.
Oh yeah, if they got past us,they had two sniper towers right
there past the front gate.
So if they made it past us,that's where they'd have stopped
.
Hmm, yeah, that's insane.
Yeah, but my dog if they calledme my dog was just for
(13:23):
verification.
Okay, this dog hit, this doghit.
Now the supervisor's dog hit,okay.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, so you're like the last line of verification.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yes, if I give the okay.
Yeah, because as soon as I geton scene, everybody backs off.
I'm over, I'm completely overeverything.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
I see, yep, I see You're kind of like the for sure
, like yes or no.
Yep, yep, you draw the line, Idraw the line.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
So where do you see it taking you like, looking in
the future?
I know you're going to startdoing tracking dogs for a game
and stuff starting tomorrow.
What do you envision?
Speaker 2 (14:02):
the end, the band for this I want to be able to do
law enforcement dogs also.
I want Belgian, malinois,german Shepherds, I want them in
dual purpose narcoticsapprehension, explosives
apprehension.
And I also want cell phone,which cell phone dogs are very
(14:26):
hard to train.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
What is that?
Explain that to me.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Cell phone dog.
The only thing they can hit onis the powder coating on the
motherboard.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
That's insane.
I don't even know what thatmeans.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
I don't even get that , yep, that little thin, thin,
thin coating on that motherboard.
That's what they're trained tosniff on.
Really, I thought it was thebattery, it's the, it's the
board and what exactly are theylooking for?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
like, like, what is like, what is that?
Speaker 2 (14:53):
it's just it's right there where your cell phone's
got that gap, at where you're,uh, where your keyboard's at
yeah, sniff right there.
And battery openings.
Anywhere there's opening onthat phone.
If they can get their nose toit they're going to hit it
really yeah, but my main focus,my main focus is really law
(15:13):
enforcement.
Yeah, special trained SWAT,that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Oh yeah, tactical yes is it like a deal where you're
doing all the training and allthis, or do you have employees
that are helping train?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Eventually I'm going to get some fellow handlers that
I'm going to reach out toGotcha and I have some real good
personal friends that do boutwork, apprehension work.
Yeah, I'm going to get withthem too.
We have a building set up wherewe can do different scenarios.
I even have one do guns?
(15:48):
Search for guns.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
So a well-trained dog like that for you to train it,
what does that cost?
You don't have to be exact, butroughly what does it cost to
get a well-oiled up machine likethat?
Speaker 2 (16:04):
About $40,000.
Really Give or?
Speaker 1 (16:06):
take.
Yeah, see, I've heard somenumbers you know right around
that.
It's just to me it's like youknow that's a tool, though it's
a special weapon.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I had one.
I was traveling with anotherhandler to Afghanistan.
His dog was over 100.
Yeah, yeah, that's crazy, oh100.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, yeah, that's crazy, oh yeah it's expensive,
very expensive very but, likeyou said, that was an extension
of you.
You know, having a well-traineddog.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Man has to be well-trained yep, and then there
, and I tell everybody if you'vehad a bad day or if you're just
mad at the world, let the dogbe a dog.
Don't even do nothing with him,because every emotion you feel
going down that leash right tohis head so you obviously have a
passion for I can tell oh yes,yes, everybody says it's a deep
(16:56):
it's a deep.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
It's a deep connection he has here.
I mean he has a special placein his heart for working dogs,
oh yeah yes, yes, I've, I'veworked labs, malinois Shepherds,
short-haired pointers.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
To me, the short-haired pointers, that was
the best ones, really, the funnyones.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Why is that?
They just?
Speaker 2 (17:16):
act up, yeah, like a child Energy, yeah, old energy.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Yeah, I imagine what's the hardest breed to
train Like.
In what scenario are youtraining them in?
That's hard.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Bloodhounds would be the worst, really, yeah,
bloodhounds.
Why is that Stubborn,hard-headed?
Yeah, yeah, you've got to.
In order for them to get yourinterest, you've got to have
something better than whatthey're already sniffing.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
And you know that with a bloodhound, that's right.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
That's impossible.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I know you can't pull them off of it, hardly either.
No, uh-uh, once it's there andin their mind, that's it, bye,
they're going.
Tunnel vision.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Tunnel vision.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
That's it, yeah, and and so you know.
Have you noticed anything aboutlike characteristics of dogs
that make them easier to trainor harder to train?
Like the way I see it, you know, different dogs got different
characters, exactly.
You know kind of like people.
Exactly Some of them are morewound up than others, got more
drive than others.
What do you look for in seeinga dog that has potential?
Speaker 2 (18:19):
I look for the drive of the dog.
If it's a medium, we call themsoft, medium or hard drive, hard
driven dog.
Right, I look for basically amedium.
That way he's not high strung,yeah, easy to work with.
Now the higher drive dogs yeah,they're awesome.
If you could they make you lookgood.
(18:40):
Yeah, we just call them pushbutton dogs.
Yeah, if you mess up, you justlet him go.
He's going to pick you back up.
He's going to do it yeah, he'sgoing to do it, make you look
good.
But to me medium medium drive,that makes sense, kind of less
timid.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yeah, I have one that's highly driven.
What you got A Black Lab and heis.
Uh, he could be a little bit ofa pain in the ass sometimes
because I mean he don't give itup, you know he'll wear you out.
Yeah, it's all he wants to do,though you know he just wants
that whatever is on his mind.
Don't matter if he has a ball,if he's trying to go fed, it
does not matter.
We're on the boat.
(19:16):
He's just locked in shaking thewhole time.
Oh yeah, he just will not relax.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
He knows.
He knows what's up.
He knows he's ready to go towork.
That's like my dog, he knows.
He knew when I grabbed hisharness he would actually start
stepping into it helping meputting it on him.
He's ready to go.
Oh, he's ready to go.
He knows it's time to work andthey love it too.
Oh, yes, they love it.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yes, they do, and that's why you see people.
But, dude, there ain't nothingthat dog would want to do more
than run up and bite that hog'sear.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Exactly Like.
That's it Exactly and that'slike you said passion with a dog
what got me one day.
Till this day I remember I wasworking Cincinnati Paul Brown
Stadium for the Bengals.
I had a 13-year-old come up tome and shook my hand and said
thank you for your service.
To this day I still rememberthat.
(20:18):
I mean that's what got me and Isaid that really meant a lot.
That hit home.
I said yeah, that's it, I likethat.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah, it does, and it's just like you know.
All the experience you havegoing around doing security is
you know, you pick up on thingsyeah, you know, and you
eventually get to where it'swhat you need to be doing
because you're good at it.
You know, I feel like we allneed to be doing something we're
good at to some extent Exactly,you know so I definitely tell
(20:47):
if you have the passion, thedrive to do it.
I mean you keep getting betterand keep doing it, keep pushing.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
That's my main goal is I want to become a master
trainer.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Master trainer, yeah.
So how do you become a master?
Speaker 2 (20:59):
trainer.
You start off as a trainer.
I think you got to go throughso many dogs.
You got to start from a greendog, not knowing nothing, right
To being spot on, basicallyRight.
I think you got like a year,year and a half school you got
to take.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Oh, I got you.
Yeah, does it come with like alicense, like a, like a, so that
whenever you're like sellingtrained dogs, it brings a higher
number, because yes, yes, I gotyou Yep, and plus you go on a
list of whatever state you're inMaster dog trainers.
Ah, you're in master dogtrainers, ah yeah, so really,
that's definitely something topush for.
Oh yeah, especially in yourbusiness yep, that's is that.
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That's exactly that's my goal,master trainer yep, how long do
you think it'll take to get it?
Speaker 2 (21:44):
going on now probably I would say probably give me
about two, two and a half years.
Yeah, I should be where I'm atsweet, that's good.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, I'm excited for you.
Oh, yeah, yeah, you uh, what,uh?
I mean, you said you alreadygot a place in the building.
You're ready to get ripping,aren't you oh?
Speaker 2 (22:01):
yeah, we're ready.
All we got to do is get the dogin there and start and start
start doing some training.
I might have, uh, I'm havingquartered off like living rooms,
bedrooms, yeah, to where I canbarricade myself in there and
get the dog to come in andactually pull me out, right,
yeah, and get like get up undera vehicle and have the dog come
up under the vehicle and evenget run down a railroad track.
(22:24):
Right, get them used to thatcrisso if they can't start
working off the edge yeah,that's crazy man there's a lot
that goes into that kind ofstuff.
I think we got access.
I think it's like five acresaround the building.
So we're going to be doing alot of work out there in the
woods, a lot.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
How many dogs do you?
Speaker 2 (22:47):
think are going to run through a year, hopefully.
On law enforcement, I'm goingto say 20, 25, yeah, yeah, yeah,
the narcotics.
Narcotics is and and explosives.
They're pretty much the same,so trying to go easy with them,
I got you.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
How long does it take to get a dog?
Like time frame for like apolice dog, like that For a
police?
Speaker 2 (23:12):
dog total, I'd say probably about 12 weeks, Really
yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Man, it's really not that bad.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
No depending on his drive, Right, Depending on his
drive.
I've seen one spot on and rightwhen they go to get rid of him.
Nothing Couldn't get nothingout of him.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Hmm, it's funny.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
He's like I don't want to go.
Yeah, I've actually had my dog.
I was going to the entrycontrol point in Afghanistan to
search a dump truck.
My dog literally stopped andlaid down and would not get up.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
I wonder why.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Tired.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Really.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yep Didn't want to do nothing because he searched, I
think that month it was only twoof us.
We searched 800 dump trucks inone month.
They was bringing gravel in andhis dog alerted on a truck.
So he calls me.
He said did you set anythingout?
I'm like no, sir.
He said go get your dog.
(24:12):
I said uh-oh.
So I went and got my dog,brought mine back.
He said fifth dump truck.
Well, I started on the thirdone.
When I got to the fifth onemine hit the same time, same
spot.
His did.
He says where are you going?
I said I'm going over there.
They got EOD out there.
Sure enough, they had swabbedthat truck, that tire with C4.
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And they was testing.
They was seeing how our dogswould do.
Next day.
Dude drove by our entrance andwent to the next one car bottom.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Really.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
And I was doing bot work with my dog when it went
off.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
No way.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Needless to say, I bit all that a bunch really yeah
just freaked out.
Yeah, he just freaked out.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
All of a sudden it freaked us all out yeah, so the
bomb went off, he just lost ithe just yeah, he just completely
lost it.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, man, but I got him back, I calmed him down and
put him up that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
And like you never know you go in every day you
never know what you're going tofind no, and then I was off that
day.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
It was a Saturday, I was off.
They had a gunfight.
They had a gunfight break outat the front gate.
A bullet went through my kennel.
Really I thought it was a rockoff.
One of them, deuce-and -a halfs, passed by and just hit the
kennel.
My dog just come out of hiskennel into my tent because it
was connected.
Yeah, that bullet went through.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Really.
So I mean, you got any stories,more stories about you finding
bombs, stuff like that C4, whereit just happened to just slip
through and just get in there.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
As a matter of fact, the only one one that I have as
far as stadiums and all that, no, but as I was in, uh, I was in
afghanistan working a trainingproblem and my dog sit against
the t-wall, the barricade, and Itold the trainer.
I said I got an alert righthere.
He said no, you don't I.
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I said yes, I do.
Well, we argued back and forthabout five minutes.
He went over there, ran his dogSame spot, same spot.
Come to find out it was C4planted in there from some guy
outside.
It was going to bust, that, itwas going to blow that T-wall.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Really.
Yeah, that's crazy man, that'sinsane, it is, it is.
I mean, really, there's a highdemand for dogs.
How many service dogs do youthink are in the police forces
in the United States?
I can't think of how manycanine units there are.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Well, just to give you a rough idea.
I worked Super Bowl 52 and 53.
At Super Bowl 52, they had justalone the parking lot and the
stadium, over 500.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Really Dang.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, you got to.
You got that many peopletogether.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Exactly, exactly, and plus all them high-profile
celebrities and singers, yeahright, yeah, you know a security
detail like that.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
I wonder how much that costs.
It's a lot.
Put 500 dogs on the ground,handlers, everything.
It's a lot.
I can only imagine it's a lot.
I bet it's a ton of money.
I bet it's astronomical About100.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Really About 100.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Man for just you know a day.
Yeah, or whatever.
I mean it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yeah, because we was up there usually 10 days.
Really 10 days before yesterday.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
So y'all would be there before.
Yeah, because I imagine thatwould be kind of a time to get
everything checked out, becausebefore everybody gets here and
there's so many eyes there.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Exactly and get your credentials and all that.
Yeah, and meet, meet your otherdog teams you're going to be
working with.
See I was, I was.
I was connected with our atf,with their dogs, so that's who I
worked with.
It was me and two other guyswith atf like an event like that
.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Has there ever been a case that you heard of where a
dog for some reason lashed outand bit somebody?
Yes like somebody was messingwith a dog, and shouldn't be,
because there's always that guyyou know, there's always guys
like that.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
They're just, oh you know, yeah, we uh, yep, yep uh
over there at the pepsi centeryeah in denver.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
One went up too close and got bit yeah, I mean what
happens in that situation, likethey just do a report or
something.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yeah, we do a report and they go to the doctor and we
put the dog up, make sureeverything's all right with the
dog, then go back and watch thevideotape to actually see what
happened.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
And a lot of times it'd be the people.
A lot of times it's the peoplejust walking up the dog would be
looking the other direction andthey come up behind the dog and
like kind of tap him or pet him, turns around.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
You know, that's a, he's a weapon, you know?
oh yes, a trained weapon, yes,exactly you know, you're gonna
walk up, you know, to a gun youdon't know if it's loaded or not
just pull the trigger, exactly,exactly, I mean same thing.
Yeah, yeah, you don't know ifit's loaded or not and just pull
the trigger.
Exactly, exactly, I mean it'sthe same thing.
Yeah, yeah, it's wild.
I imagine there's pretty crazystuff happening with canine
units.
I think it's probably thecoolest thing.
If I was in law enforcement, Iwould definitely, I think, be on
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that end of the team for sure.
Oh, yes, because I like workingwith dogs too.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I love watching tactical training with your dog.
You would, you would go, youwould give your dog the command
to sit or lay and you would runto cover, and then you would
look back and you'd give yourdog the command and he would.
He would crawl instead of walk.
Stuff like that's cool, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, that's what I want, yeah dude it's insane,
yeah, but it's like I got afriend of mine.
He's in, he's in training withuh navy seals.
Really that's cool.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Oh yeah well you know he's wired up.
Oh yeah, and I actually the, uh, the bin laden raid.
Yeah, I actually got to playwith one of the dogs that was on
it.
Really, yep, little year and ahalf old malinois man yeah, he
was trained in explosives anddogs aren't.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Aren't those them dogs that are like super, super
athletic, like the ones you seejumping 20 foot up, you know,
jumping off the walls and stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
That's them.
Mine would hang about sevenfoot up a tree on a rope.
He would just sit there andhang and just swing back and
forth.
Really, really.
Six o'clock in the morning,super fast, yeah, oh, very fast,
but yep, very fast.
But some have a long-term life.
But if you've got a hard-drivenMalinois, six, seven years.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I can see that, because I mean they're burning,
burning, burning, burning.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Yep, nonstop Yep.
All they want to do is pleasetheir handler.
That's all they want to do isplease their handler.
That's all they want to do.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yeah, that's all they want to do.
I mean, would you recommendthat breed for somebody that
wasn't going to train and wasjust going to have just a dog?
Speaker 2 (31:03):
No, that's what happened.
When that movie Max come out,everybody went to buy in a
Belgian Malinois that didn'tknow what they was doing and
next thing you know, you got allthese shelters and rescues with
all these Belgian Malinois inthere.
They don't know what to do withthem.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Yeah, exactly, yep.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
No, you're definitely riding the wrong way to do it.
Oh, it's definitely, and a lotof people do it the wrong way.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
A lot of them.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
I had one.
I had to go train.
I knocked on the door.
As soon as I heard that dog,I'm like this is not good.
This was the first dog thiscouple ever owned Really.
And I told them.
I said do you know what youhave right here?
She says no.
I said that's a BelgianMalinois.
I said this is.
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Did he come from a policeworking dog?
She said yeah.
I said y'all have no businesswith this dog.
Yeah, I said y'all need todonate it to a police department
.
Yeah, because he was trying tocome after me and she was doing
everything she could to hold it.
I said please don't drop thatleash, mm, because it mm-mm.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Eat you up.
Oh yeah, he was.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
They do a lot of damage fast too, oh yes, they're
quick and they won't releaseReally Because it's like a game
to them.
Yeah, it's like a game, likewhen you're actually doing
training with them.
It's a big game.
Their tails are wagging.
You notice, when they do anapprehension, you see their tail
wagging and all that.
It's a game, that's all it is.
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Yeah, they just want to get outthere and play and play,
basically yeah, play chase.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Basically, man, I get serious too, man.
I mean, I couldn't imagine getlatched on by one of them.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
It hurts I bet it hurts.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I can see it just snapping bones, cutting you to
shreds I had one.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I had one completely jerk my sleeve, my long, long
sleeve shirt completely jerkedthe sleeve off of it, quick,
quick, and I was no farther fromme to you and I was just
playing with the dog fiveminutes earlier, really.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Just snap, like that it just snapped, just like that.
Yeah, man, yeah, it's crazy too, because the dog feels, I think
.
I think they read the emotionthrough you.
They do you know cause you can?
You can walk in and greet a dogone way and greet it a
different way, and it iscompletely different.
You know, some dogs would betimid or they might, you know,
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be more aggressive.
You know, rattle the gate justby how you greet them.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
I go by that when I walk into a place and if I see
that dog get in front of theowner or come run and get beside
it, that's when I kind of youknow, because he's checking up,
yeah, he considers you a threat.
Well, let me go get in betweenmy owner and this threat until I
get to know who this is At thatpoint, at that moment, you know
?
Speaker 1 (33:50):
OK, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
I'm going to keep my distance.
And that's when people get bit,because that's when they oh
well, let me go down there, keeppushing it, keep pushing it,
and he wants you to stop.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Yeah, yeah.
I guarantee you pick up on alot of stuff like that over the
time.
Oh yeah, Working with dogs ohyeah.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
I could pick up movements like doing detections,
like I had one dog.
If he alerted on narcotics hewould take two steps back, sit
and wag his tail twice.
When I seen that tail wag twiceI said there it is.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah, what kind of narcotics they find a lot.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Well, it was back in the prisons.
It's marijuana, marijuana,strictly marijuana, really.
Yeah, I found a pound of it.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I bet you a dog can sniff that out so quick.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah, I bet I bet they have no problem with that.
No, they don't.
They don't, especially if it'shot.
Yeah, and what we call it bacon.
Oh yeah, they go right to it, Ibet yeah.
It's like if I'd work a room,whichever way he'd go, I'd go
the direction, or I'd just takethe leash, I'd pop the leash and
I'd tell him to go search.
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Let him find it on his own.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yeah, I mean like say , a room this big, this ain't a
very big room.
I mean, your dog would clearthis room?
I would think super quick.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Oh, he'd clear this room probably three minutes.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Really yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
And be real thorough at the same time.
And be real thorough at thesame time and be real thorough,
exactly yes, I would.
As soon as I open that frontdoor, I would see which
direction he would want to goand, like I said, I would just
pop my leash and tell him to goand do the whole room.
Do the whole room, make sureventilation's cut off, make sure
doors are open.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Let him go yeah that's crazy so, uh, I know that
I know that we don't talk aboutthe security and you know all
the, you know super bowls andstuff like that you've done.
But I mean, is there any likeout there, things that you
witnessed working dogs that youjust like got hairy and thought,
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man, it's bad?
Speaker 2 (35:48):
yeah, actually you'd be surprised of the people that
have service dogs.
That's really not service dogs.
I'm not surprised actually.
No, really.
I believe that I had one of mydogs got jumped on by so-called
service dog.
Yeah, and that got pretty hairy.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Yeah, can't you just get that paper on the internet,
can't you?
Yeah, yeah, you can get servicedog paperwork pretty easy.
Yeah, like $99.
Yeah, i't you just like getthat paper on the internet, like
, can't you?
I mean, yeah, yeah, like youcan get service dog paperwork
pretty easy?
Yeah, like $99.
Yeah, I mean, basically, allyou need is to pay for it.
Yeah, that's all you do.
I don't think there's anytraining at all.
They don't ask for nothing Like.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
What is it?
Emotional support dogs?
Is that what it is?
Yeah, K-9, good citizenshiptraining and all that, and that
consists of a lot.
You're looking at at least nine, ten months Really Just doing
ESA training.
Yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
So I get in that situation, say you're there,
you're doing security or you'redoing whatever it may be right,
looking for something.
Yeah, and there is a civilianservice dog in in the area, like
do you have the ability to say,hey, you know, can you remove
your dog for a second?
Speaker 2 (37:01):
or like, move them out, back them up, or something,
yeah, we can do that, or weeither just back off and let
them go.
Normally we'll just be the wejust back off and let them go.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Yeah, yeah, I got you .
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yeah, we'd back off, but other than that, there's no
problems with them.
Yeah, because we had what theycall bark at the park.
There's like 900 dogs there andwe're trying to work through
all this.
I bet that sounds like chaos.
It was utter chaos.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
I can only imagine, yes, yes, a bunch of non-trained
dogs with trained dogs, and thenon-trained dogs are messing
with the trained dogs.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Yes, that's what I see a lot, a lot of conflict.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Yes, Our dogs want to play.
Snap back in.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
I can only imagine, man.
They're just like kids, though,oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
They are, they are, they are Love them to death,
though.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Yeah, they're great.
I definitely couldn't livewithout a dog.
I've had dogs my whole life.
Oh have you?
Yes, I mean, right now I havethree.
I've got a wiener dog which ismy fishing dog.
Her name's Cricket and we gofishing.
Every time I go fishing she'swith me and she loves fishing.
Then I've got Ben, which Ican't take fishing.
He's a black lab.
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He's too locked in all the timehe's watching every single cast
all the way back to the, allthe way casted out, all the way
back, over and over, just worksitself to death.
And then we got this other dog,mystic picked it up.
It was like a stray.
I don't even know what it is,some kind of mutt, but it kind
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of looks like.
It has a little bit of GermanShepherd in it, but it's like
straight black but it has likekind of the build of German
Shepherd.
Okay, I'm not really sure whatit is, but and it's really sweet
just laid over, no drivewhatsoever.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Just laid back.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Yes, so I have like all three of the spectrum.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Oh yeah, yeah, I've got the driven, that middle
range you're talking about, andthen just the lazy yep, and
they're all differentpersonalities, you know, they're
just like kids.
Oh yeah, yep, yep.
And if they mine, when I usedto have, if he's seeing you in a
bad mood, he would do something.
He would do something stupid tomake you laugh yeah he's just
like.
He says I'm gonna he's in a badmood, pick you up and let me do
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this.
You know, just I would sitthere and laugh and say okay
yeah, and they're the same.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
They're the same every day, you know oh yeah
that's what's crazy about them.
You'll be up and down with yourmood, your whatever's going on
your life exactly that dog,though, is the same every single
day happy every day, exactly,yep, exactly.
I mean, we don't deserve dogs.
No, I'm telling you, we don't.
No, there's too many peoplethat abuse them, and exactly
treat them wrong.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Exactly that's like people with the, with that
e-collar.
I've seen people just I'm likeI'm like would you like to be
zapped like that 24, 7.
Yeah, I said let me put that onyou and see how it feels.
I said average human can onlytake six.
I said let me turn it up to 100and see how you like it yeah,
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they should wear them out too.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
No, yeah, and they uh all the time the toner, just
the toner alone, like the soundlittle beep.
I mean that's enough for 99.9of dogs.
They'll hear that and they'llknow what it's related to and
they're done I like to vibrate.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
The vibrate is good, but you can look on a person's
remote and you can see the.
The shock symbol justcompletely wore out.
The other two look brand new ohyeah, so you can tell right.
I said you, you shocked thisdog too much.
Yeah, that dog's used to thatcollar, so now that's all that
dog knows.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Yeah, that's all he thinks about too.
Yep If you put that on him, heknows like okay, everything just
changed.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Everything just changed.
Yep, yep.
And it's all about timing too.
If you're off on your timing,you're just hitting him them for
nothing.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
yeah, I imagine there's a lot to it.
Oh yeah, there's a lot to it.
Timing is everything when itcomes to working a canine.
Yeah, I explain exactly likewhat scenario timing plays plays
a factor that's like you.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
If you're searching a vehicle right, like I said,
you're always one step ahead.
Of that dog say you just hit thegas tank yeah okay, I'm
thinking next, okay, he's gonnahit these two passenger driver's
side door, then I I want tocome back to the hood, then I
want to come back and do anotherSearch down the side and just
cover myself and do it both ways.
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Always think ahead of that dogand if that dog alerts, I would
always point at something elseand say search, search.
And he'd never move.
I said, hey, it's right there.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
He's locked in on it.
Oh, he's locked in.
If you tell him to move, he'snot going to move.
Yeah, he's there.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
And when they know it , they know it oh yeah, they
know it.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
They ain't playing around either.
No, no, because he knows, if hedoes what he's supposed to, he
gets his toy Right.
He wins, yeah, he wins the game.
He wins Yep and he's done.
And I used to train my dogsMonday through Friday and
Saturday and Sunday.
I just let them be a dog, Iwouldn't do nothing.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Really.
Oh yeah, I had a pool.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
I had a pool set up, they'd get in the pool
everything.
Oh yeah, they had it betterthan I did.
Oh yeah, well, you know theywork at nine to five, exactly.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
You know like getting their break too, exactly.
That's awesome, man.
Well, I'm excited for you.
I hope, I hope you uh, you getto training, you start expanding
, you get your uh master trainerlicense and everything goes
good from there, man that'sawesome.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Oh yeah, man, that's what I'm shooting for black and
gold canines.
We're fixing to take off it.
Black and gold canines, it'sgoing to be good.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Oh yeah, I'm excited for you and thanks for coming
today man.
Oh, yes, I mean it means a lotand it's awesome to learn about
you and the compassion you haveand the drive that you have to
do that, Because I do think thatthe canine forces, units and
stuff are mandatory.
I think it's a must.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Oh it is.
It's definitely a must,especially if you've got a big
like a riot situation.
Yes, a show of force.
Yes, you definitely need dogs,yes, yes, I mean, you know, when
the dogs show up it's seriousand, to be honest with you, I
think it should be a canineofficer with a regular cop at
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all times.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Have two to a unit.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
A specialized officer and a regular officer.
That was my, that was.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
I've always said that .
Speaker 2 (43:28):
And also dogs in schools For active shooters or
narcotics.
I see that have a dog at schooltrained for weapons.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Yeah, because I mean, if that was to go down in that
school, that dog's on it quick.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Oh yes, Go ahead and take him down and be done with
it.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Yeah, probably long before it, even you know,
escalate to half of what itwould be.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Oh yeah, if the wind's just right and
everything's in that dog's face.
Oh, he'd hit that person beforehe walked in that door.
Mm in that dog's face.
Oh, he'd hit that person beforehe walked in that door.
Mm-hmm yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
I agree with that.
I'm one of those guys too thatbelieves, you know, that
teachers should be armed.
Yes, I think that that's a bigdeal.
I mean, if you come into aclassroom and the teacher has an
arm, you're not doing much inthat classroom.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
That's right, and I also believe veterans they
should let our veterans be oversecurity in some schools too.
Oh yeah, yep, yes sir.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Absolutely Be safer, then oh yeah, everybody's scared
of guns, but you don't realizethat.
You know, only law-abidingcitizens would ever turn their
guns in.
Yep, you know what I'm saying?
The criminals that alreadybroke a law.
Why would they all of a suddenstart following the law then?
Exactly, they wouldn't.
Exactly.
You just have less of a chanceto defend yourself.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Yep, it would only hurt you know your chances and
it's like you see peopleantagonizing these canines,
these police canines, gettingthey see just how far they can.
That dog can come out and theyjust sit there and just
antagonize, antagonize that dog.
But there's always that onetime they screw up and they get
bit and they get bit, they gethurt.
Yeah, bad, bad yep, Yep, I hada friend of mine.
(45:05):
He had his dog bit a dude thatwas barricaded up in the house
and broke his arm.
Really he was so hard broke hisarm.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
That I believe it.
Yeah, they're different man.
It's not like getting bit by aperson.
That dog's got some.
It's designed to bite.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Yeah, it's designed to bite.
Yes it is, but the worst bite Iever had was off an English
Bulldog.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Really, yep, that was the worst one.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
What did it do to you ?
It bit me on the back of my leg, behind my knee yeah bruised up
my whole back of my back of myleg and all he all I did was say
bye and I rubbed him on hishead and when I turned around,
walked off, he bit me golly.
And that's the first time thatdog ever bit me.
And I worked, I had him seven,seven months.
(45:51):
I trained that dog and he bitme at the last, last training
really yeah, like a farewellbite, yeah.
Basically he's like now paybackyeah I'll get out of here.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
I don't know, I wouldn't want to be bit for sure
it'll sound fun.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
Well no, they say you ain't a canine handler if you
ain't got bit yet, you gotta getbit.
Well, I'm not, and I ain't beenbusy I'm gonna keep it that way
.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
What'd you do all that?
That's the best way I'm tellingyou well, kyle.
I appreciate you coming intoday.
Appreciate it.
Guys, check them out.
If you need a dog trained tohave questions, I'm sure you
answer questions and stuff ohyeah, yes, sir, um yeah,
facebook black and gold, canineblack and gold canine yes sir,
on facebook and we're building.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
We're building up our website here pretty soon and
we're gonna make a bigannouncement when our website
comes up.
I'm excited for you, buddy.
Appreciate it, man.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
I hope it all goes good Guys, leave a like,
subscribe, hit the bell fornotifications and check us out.
We've got more videos comingout and, hey, hopefully we're
going to keep track of them.
Okay, you've got two years yousaid two years to be a master
trainer.
We're going.
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