February 3, 2025 • 39 mins
Roe Reynolds takes us through his riveting journey from the adrenaline-pumping pursuit of Team USA trap shooting to the rugged life of a wildlife guide in the vast wilderness of Alaska and Idaho. At just 25, Roe's life is a testament to adventure and passion, as he vividly recounts a lighthearted yet pivotal bear hunt with his mom that spun his career into action. With charm and humor, Roe shares tales of guiding mishaps, the symphonic chaos of hunting with dogs, and those unforgettable, heart-stopping encounters with bears that leave both guides and clients in awe.
Balancing the rigors of competitive shooting with the untamed terrain of Alaska is no small feat, yet Roe's story is one of inspiration and grit. His narrative is punctuated by the influence of mentors like Tommy Lynn Browning and serendipitous opportunities, like a chance meeting in Las Vegas that opened doors to new adventures. With stories of enduring the wild — from showerless days to long waits in remote locales — Roe reveals the unpredictable and exhilarating challenges of being a guide, painting a vivid picture of the rugged lifestyle he leads.
Roe's reflections extend beyond the hunt, delving into family dynamics and future aspirations. We explore the interplay of business ventures, from family stores to real estate, and the relentless energy that fuels them. Roe also casts light on wildlife's misunderstood predators, sharing personal encounters with mountain lions and wolves. With eyes set on possible Olympic dreams, Roe's journey is as much about pursuing a purposeful life as it is about his thrilling escapades. Join us for an inspiring story of determination and adventure that promises to keep you captivated.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's going on, guys ?
It's 5 o'clock and you're offto Uncle B's Got Today.
We have a very interesting guy.
His name is Ro Reynolds.
He's a Team USA trap shooter.
He also guides in Alaska andIdaho and does many other things
.
His family, they have anoutdoor store where they sell
dog collars, accessories fordogs, construction.
Really, it seems like they'redoing a lot in every direction.
(00:21):
These guys have a pretty crazystory on how much he's
accomplished in the short amountof time he's been doing it.
So he's going to tell us how hegot there and where he's trying
to go.
Let's get into it.
So, ro, first of all, thank youfor coming today, thanks for
having me and looking at all thestuff that you're into and
things you're out there doing,you've got a pretty big, wide
(00:43):
spectrum, from guiding toshooting to the dogs.
I mean, how old are you 25.
?
I mean you're conquering a lotreally quickly, wouldn't you say
yeah?
I mean, yeah, big time.
Let's just go ahead and getinto from the beginning.
Let's start from the guiding.
How'd you get into that?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
So it's a pretty funny story on the Alaska part.
But when I was, I guess, 18, Ijust graduated high school my
mom booked a bear hunt in Idahoand I went up there.
I killed a bear.
She killed a bear and becomereally good friends with the
outfitter and all the guys andall that.
Well, they had a young guy thatwas working there I hope we
don't watch this but they wasjust bashing him and his only
(01:22):
job was just to haul huntersaround.
So next year I call them.
I'm like you know y'all arebashing that old boy.
If y'all want some help,whatever, I'll come up there.
So I end up going up there,spend 63 days up there with
those guys and got my guide'slicense and all that and then
just for about the next threeyears, went up there every year.
I was going At one.
For about the next three yearswent up there every year.
(01:43):
I was going at one time I wasgoing in the spring and the fall
, but I actually didn't go thisfall because I was in Alaska.
But I think I'm going to goback this spring.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
So that's in Idaho, right?
Yeah, so you went on, you got aguided hunt with you and your
mom and then you was like, hey,I like this, this is something I
could do.
Yeah, and how did y?
Hunting with dogs?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
yeah, so we use dogs.
Um, we actually a little on themethod.
We do what they call rig,rigging dogs.
I think I give you all pictureuh rigging my white pickup but
uh put dogs up on top of the boxand then we just pretty much
drive around on the road.
It's pretty funny becauseyou're just like behind the
logging truck with dogs on top,yeah, top of your pickup, and
(02:22):
then of course they'll blow up,bark and smell and you'll unclip
them and the race is on.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Really.
Yeah, it's a good time I'vebeen in an adrenaline dump the
whole time.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know if you've ever hunted with
dogs very much, but it's justsomething about a 300-pound bear
running over the top of you.
Elevates it yeah whether it'slike across the road or whatever
.
And then you got somebody withyou who, 90 of the time, has
never seen a bear before soyou're trying, like you're
excited, trying to keep themfrom freaking out keep them from
(02:51):
shooting you and I've had somecrazy stuff happen with clients
that are.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Oh, I can only imagine.
I mean, because you got so much, you know it's like for them.
You know, I'm assuming you'reprobably hunting black bear yeah
, that's, that's right.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
So the temperament of black bear they're not
aggressive, I mean when theydecide they're either going to
have to fight to get out, fightor fight, but most of the time
they're just going to run off.
I've been on some pretty crazybay jobs, which is, you know,
have 30 head of dogs on one bearin a creek.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Do dogs ever get tore up by the bears?
Speaker 3 (03:27):
They do a couple times, and then they learn to
distance themselves.
There's been a bunch of timeswe've been stitching dogs up on
the side of a mountain.
We carry all that medical stuffand all that.
Right, because you're out there, I mean you're not actually
close to anything.
Yeah, I mean, there's timesit's like I always tell my
hunters, even in idaho, don'tshoot me, because I'm the only
(03:49):
one that can get us out of hereand I will die before we can get
to a road that somebody cancome get me a lot of times they
don't necessarily know wherethey're at.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
No, they're lost.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
They don't know, you know, and if they haven't ever
killed a bear for us that'stheir first time they're spooked
out, naturally, by the factthat they're chasing a bear down
by dogs and they're fixing togo up to them.
I'm sure they're spooked alittle, yeah, so I've had.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
You know, we've killed them on the ground, kill
them in trees, but uh, yeah,when people realize that they're
fixing to be within feet of abear, it's what we call the
drive method, which is when yougrab them by the shirt collar
and you just drive them in there.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Oh, yeah, they get cold feet yeah, uh, we've had
guys.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
We put them in holes, the guys won't go get go in
after them, and which, of course, we usually sit there and talk
them into it and call them badnames.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, just a little bit of peer pressure.
I imagine that's cool, though.
So hunting with dogs, that'ssomething you've done in the
past, like before you went toidaho, is it?
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
so I've had hounds my whole life.
My mom's had hounds uh, my dadhad hounds.
Grandparents both had houndsgreat grandparents so inevitably
you're gonna have hounds.
Yeah, it's just I.
Always I've had to have one atone time.
I've had tree dogs, squirreldogs.
I got a bunch of beagles rightnow I'll do a lot of running, a
lot of deer dogs.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Oh yeah, see I.
That's the kind of dog huntingthat I've done in the past.
When it comes to just running,yeah, is deer dogs?
That's fun, dude.
Yeah, it's a good time.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
It really is bear hunting's a lot like that.
You ever hog hunted with dogs,yeah, yeah.
So it's like a deer race andthen it turns into a hog bay, oh
yeah, and if it don't turn intoa hog bay, you've got to trade
like a coon.
So it's like you're getting alittle bit everything, getting
three at once, you know it'skind of like how they say elk
hunting is kind of like turkeyhunting.
(05:33):
Yeah you know what I mean?
Yeah it, uh, it is.
I like, uh, turkey huntingbetter, mainly because when you
kill a turkey, throw it overyour shoulder.
It's a lot easier.
Go Just kill an elk.
You walk up a mountain for twodays.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
So do you do any elk hunting or elk guiding?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
I've never guided elk but I have killed a five-point
bull in a spike.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Heck yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
And then my mom was with me one time.
I guess I guided her.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
But she killed a five-point bull.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Yeah for sure.
Actually, her bull.
I don't know, I don't want toself-incriminate myself here, no
, I was glassing from like amile and a half away and I knew
she was on this big face.
And sure enough, here comes thebull, and I got to watch the
entire thing play out through aspot.
(06:23):
Oh, really that's cool and itjust like walked up to her,
she's pow wow it was so cool.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
So do you, and your mom do a lot of hunting together
.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Yeah, so fun fact about me is my dad really
doesn't care about hunting atall.
Really yeah mom's hardcorehunter.
I think I killed my firstlongbeard when I was four and
she called it in, and I thinkshe probably called every
longbeard in for me until Iprobably 15.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
So your mom is what seems to be a badass.
My mom's a killer Seems to be abadass.
What does she do?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
She has a dog and hunt supply.
We own a store.
It's like an outdoor store.
We sell a lot of dog liketracking devices.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Accessories and stuff .
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Dog boxes, stuff like that Cool, where's that?
Speaker 1 (07:02):
out of Equipment.
Equipment, really, yeah, dude,that's awesome.
So y'all basically are in the.
You know, y'all do what youlove, in a way.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Yeah, in the industry , yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
As mom always says, I don't sell anything in my store
that I don't use.
Yeah, we try to and dime you.
You know how that works out, ohyeah.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Oh yeah.
So how much time does your momspend up in Idaho and Alaska
with you?
Does she spend a good bit oftime?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
She's never been, but there's times she'd come out
for a week or whatever to Idahoand hang out and hunt.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
So in Alaska.
So you're a guy in Alaska, Iassume.
What kind of animals are youguiding for Moose?
Speaker 3 (07:54):
and coastal brown bear.
Really Don't ever book a moosehunt ever.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Really I hate that.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Really yes.
What part do you hate about it,other than being so big?
What county are y'all in here?
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Dallas.
Okay, imagine there's sixturkeys in Dallas County and
three of them are jakes andthree of them are long beards
and you can only kill one ifit's within a mile of where
we're at right now.
Yeah, and none of them gobble.
It's tough, huh.
Yeah, you just glass all day.
(08:27):
I mean I glassed for 15 daysone time and seen two moose.
Really, yeah, wow, it's a grindthen.
Yeah, and the days are so long.
I mean you're pulling 4.30 inthe morning, of course.
Now we're waking up.
This guy's paid a lot of moneyto be there, so we're waking up,
cooking breakfast, coffee, allthat, waking him up, taking him
(08:48):
his coffee cup to his personaltent and then, like a lot of
times this year, I had anotherguide with me and I'd wake up,
slam a cup of coffee and run upthe mountain.
Well, I can get to the top ofthe mountain to glass, and I had
it down to like 30 minutes.
I could get off of it in 12,but it took me 30 to get up
there.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
And it would take the first day.
It took our client like an hourand a half.
Well, I mean, your hunt's overat that point, your prime time,
so you got to leave earlier.
Yeah, so I was ripping up themountain and doing all the
hunting, and then he pretty muchjust sat down there at the tent
and then I did actually see abull, but it was two, three
(09:29):
miles away, yeah, and we wasglassing forever.
I want you to kill one.
That's when the real workbegins.
Well, and that's the deal.
When I was hitting on, you knowa mile of here.
If you kill one and you can'tget it out in time, um, you're
gonna get some heavy fines,really, yeah, and like so we
don't have anything butbackpacks and float planes, so
(09:50):
you need to kill it within amile of the water right to be
able to do it.
So, yeah, like we would getlanded on by miss alley she's a
park ranger.
We're in a big park up there,miss Allie yeah, she'd buzz us
with a cub land.
Get out, check all of ourpaperwork and then just get back
in the plane and leave.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
That's so cool.
That is cool.
It's a whole different worldout there.
Yeah, I mean how far away fromlike.
When I say civilization, I meanlike, how far away from like
civilization, civilization areyou when you there?
Speaker 3 (10:21):
probably around 80 to 100 mile.
Yeah, I mean, you couldn't, youcouldn't walk out, right?
Speaker 1 (10:25):
and things go bad out there.
I mean it'd be bad situation.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Yeah, that's we all have to be medical, like first
aid certified, really in case,like a client you know goes down
or whatever it may be, you knowthat's pretty crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
So next thing on my list is shooting so kind of walk
us through when shootingstarted for you competition
shooting primarily.
Walk us through when shootingstarted for you competition
shooting primarily trap.
How did that get started foryou and how far are you planning
on taking it?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
So I started shooting , I guess when I started
carrying around that Red Ryder,when I was about three.
As everybody seems, like no,when I was about 12, 10 to 12, I
really just wanted to getbetter at shooting a shotgun.
That's how it started.
So I went to Tommy LynnBrowning's house, which my dad's
been a good friend of his.
(11:11):
His daughter shot competitivelyand still does, and she
actually just went to theOlympics in 2021.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Really, yeah, got a silver medal.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
So I just kind of went to learn how to shoot a
little better as far as likehunting-wise.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
And then I guess Tommy just pretty much told me
hey, you got a lot of naturaltalent and you need to try to
pursue this if it's somethingyou want to do.
So I did and I went to my firstinternational match in 2012,.
And it was in Tucson, arizona,really in 2012, and it was in uh
(11:47):
tucson, arizona, really, and uhever since then.
Actually they're having oneright now in uh west palm beach,
but I didn't go.
I didn't go the last one either, but like they're not having
anything selection wise to go tothe olympics until next year,
so there's really no reason forme to go.
Go ahead, jake.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
So how do you balance ?
You know, obviously these aretwo very big hobbies.
With the guiding and theshooting team, it's extremely
hard.
Okay, yeah, Tell me about likea year-to-year basis how you
kind of break it up.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Well, that's part of the reason why I didn't go last
fall to the last match because Iwas trying to knock out.
So to get your guy's license inAlaska, you got to have 60 days
in state.
30 has got to be like undercontract with an outfitter.
I got you.
So I was like you know, Ireally want to try to get that
knocked out, so I'll have it,because I didn't want old boy to
(12:35):
just be like, okay, I've usedyou for 30 days.
Yeah, bye, you know Right which.
I'm going to jump around here alittle bit, that's fine.
The whole reason I ended up inAlaska happened in Las Vegas.
Oh really, yeah, oh man, how'dthat happen?
I walked up.
I was at the NFR and I walkedup.
(12:56):
It was at Cowboy Christmas.
I walked up to this booth I'mjust talking, of course, mom and
everybody, they're all shoppingand I said hey, I'm a guy in
Idaho, whatever, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah.
We're talking, he goes.
Well, you want to come toAlaska?
I said all you got to do is saywhen.
And that was pretty much theconversation.
Yeah, so like four months laterhe texts me you still coming.
(13:17):
I'm like yep, Doesn't sayanything back.
It's like the middle of Augustis when I'm supposed to be there
.
He texts me like halfwaythrough July Send me your
information.
So I send him all my stuff.
Next thing, you know, Two weeksbefore he's supposed to be
leaving, he texts me hey, I gotyou a flight book for here.
I'm like what do I need?
Speaker 1 (13:37):
supposed to be leaving.
He texts me hey, I got you aflight book for here.
I'm like, what do I need?
Speaker 3 (13:40):
yeah, like there's, you know, I need to fill in some
uh, so the guy that I wasactually talking to in vegas, he
was with a client like out inthe bush when I got there, so I
sat there for three days and I'msitting there going.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
These guys are abducting me yeah, and I'm
obviously I'm in the middle ofnowhere wrong, yeah it's me and
the outfitter Love the outfitterto death.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
He's a great dude, but he's kind of a hermit, oh
yeah.
Yeah.
Doesn't talk much, but he's thereal deal, he's a master guide.
But we're just sitting there inthis little lean-to cabin for
like two or three days andfinally he's like okay, we're
going to go get Matt now.
The relief of seeing someonethat you knew.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Because, I knew okay, it's real.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
It was up to that point.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I'm like I'm literally, and as the days go on
, it gets worse.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Yes, You're like well , maybe, Maybe you're just
thinking of more crazy things inyour head and I'm like when's
he going to try to kill me?
Speaker 1 (14:33):
You know what I mean.
Like why are you looking at melike that?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
You're just like I keep my eyes on you 48 hours.
Yeah, that's wild.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
I can imagine.
Yeah, no, it was definitelycrazy, do you?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
like it up there?
Yeah, just the scenery, the.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
I like to do things.
This is probably going to soundarrogant.
I like to do things that a lotof people don't think that they
would be able to do.
Right right, right Like sleepin a tent for 22 days, yeah yeah
, stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
No showers.
No, I mean no.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
I went 22.
If there's any good lookingwomen out there, don't listen.
I did go 22 days without takinga shower.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I won with nature dude.
Yeah, it's On the wild side.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Well, I bet you're not sweating much, at least you
actually are.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Really, yeah.
Yeah, it was really hot thisyear while I was out there, like
I wore a t-shirt most of thetime.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Really, what kind of degrees is it?
I mean generally.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
I mean, it'd get up to like 50 or 60, but then you'd
rip up a mountain, you're also,yeah, doing a lot of hiking and
stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Swe ago when I killed my first elk and we actually
killed it in Hell's Mesa, okay,and I'll tell you that was
brutal.
Oh yeah, I lost the camera guyfor like six hours out there.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
It was rough, dude.
I lost a hunt.
Well, I didn't, but we lost ahunter one time.
Really, we lost a whole person.
How'd that happen?
Well, we were running dogs andwe bayed and we'd already all
the hunters had already killed.
We was just kind of hunting forfun.
So we scream off the mountain,get down in the creek bottom.
(16:07):
Well, one of the other guys hadthe hunter with him.
Well, he thought that thehunter stayed at the side of the
side.
Well, the hunter just took offdown the hill.
Well, I mean, he couldn't getaround like we could.
We've been doing it every dayfor 30 days.
Yeah, we just run off and lefthim on accident.
So we get down there, get thedogs pulled off, the bay bear
(16:27):
goes up a tree, whatever.
We get everything.
We go up the mountain, we getback to all the bikes and like
we had come in from the way theland lays.
It's like a big drainage right.
There's roads over here andwell, we come in like from here.
Four different directions.
Yeah.
So when we get back to the tophe's like, uh, where's mike at?
(16:49):
We're like is he not with you?
Oh so for three hours we justdrove around.
We knew he had a pistol.
There's no phone service, yeah.
So we were shooting, trying tohear him shoot.
And then finally, I bet hewalked two miles up a creek and
he looked like damned when wefound him and he was scared to
(17:12):
death, which I don't blame him.
I guess he thought we was goingto leave him.
Yeah yeah, it was wild.
I can only imagine Losingpeople, especially like when
you're liable for them.
We really thought we were goingto have to, like, call a
helicopter.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
How did he handle it?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
The customer did I mean was he upset, so he was a
repeat client and he knew thathe should have kept up or not
went at one of those deals.
I've hunted with him four orfive times, but funny enough, he
actually the next year we satdown to breakfast.
(17:47):
He'd come back like rebookedwith us.
We sat down for breakfast andhe goes over to my buddy's
little cabinet where he keepsall his tracking collars and
gets one out, puts it around hisneck and he goes you ain't
losing me this time.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
No way, not this time .
Oh, that's funny.
Which you know now, have youseen those radios,
walkie-talkies that work fromanywhere?
Oh yeah, Like all the wayacross the United States, you
can use these walkie-talkies.
Dude, that's crazy technology.
It is nuts.
Yeah, I too.
I actually know one of mybuddies, grayson, and his family
has them.
We were at dog camp and all ofa sudden their walkie-talkie
(18:21):
started going off.
And it was his mom.
Really yeah, she was inLouisiana and we were in
Arkansas.
We're talking aboutwalkie-talkies here.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Yeah, I want some of those.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
And they go all the way across the United States.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
It's incredible.
I don't know the name of.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
I mean it's when all of our phones said SOS like
absolutely no service, nothingand clear as day.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yeah, it's walkie-talkie coming from the
state over and you're like whatthe?
Yeah, that's wild.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
We take a bunch of DeWalt batteries in the bush
with us and then thank you, elon, we have one of those Starlink
minis.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
So the Starlink minis.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
So like we're streaming Netflixand stuff in the bush when it's
raining.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Yeah, it's huge, that is cool.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
FaceTime anybody you know it makes it a little better
.
Yeah, I've seen people out, youknow, out in the ocean fishing
deep and you know you just get alittle signal out there and
they'll use those Starlinks andthey work really good yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
The Walt gold worth their weight in gold.
Oh yeah, in the bush, yeah Igotta charge them.
So you just take a bunch.
Really, I think I took six,yeah, um, but yeah, they're well
, they're so versatile, they arejump.
Yeah, we jumped a four-wheelerwith one one time.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
I mean, you can speed up trim to a motor with d-watt
batteries.
I mean it's, it's insane withpeople yeah I'm fixing to hook,
uh, briggs's little truck up.
Oh yeah, yeah, I gotta give hima little power boost.
It's fixing to hook Briggs'little truck up.
Oh yeah, yeah, I got to givehim a little power boost.
He's fixing to be D-Walkswapped, like it's happening,
yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
So all right.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
So we've heard about your mom.
All right, she's a badass.
She's out there killing stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
No doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Selling dog collars, accessories.
You know, living it up.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
What?
What about your dad?
What do you do with your dad?
Hmm, my dad is into a lot ofstuff.
He's done a little bit ofeverything.
Yeah, I guess the best thing tosay is he's done everything
from owning a car dealership tobeing in the house of
representatives.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Really, yeah, so he's a busy man.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yes, busy, busy me and him build spec homes really
develop subdivisions and thenrun cattle and all kinds of
stuff.
So I'll just do a little bit ofeverything.
Yeah, we got fingers andeverything.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I mean so when y'all go home at night, y'all are
together and you're just talkingabout things that are going on.
Y'all got stuff going on everydirection, just about yeah,
literally every which way.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
So me and dad both face all of our stuff out of
mom's store, Right.
So we kind of do when you weresaying, go home at night, we do
that from 9 to 5 there.
Yeah, Of course dad thinksabout it 24-7.
Oh yeah, he has to, but I justkind of want to be like, turn it
off in the evenings.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Does your dad text you super early, like 2 in the
morning, 3 in the morning, everLike he just can't sleep
thinking about something.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
No, but I know that he stays up and then, like the
first time that he thinks it'sfeasible to call me in the
morning, whether that be 645 or8 or whatever he calls, and he's
just got like a laundry list,so you need to do this, we need
to do this, see so that to dothis, we need to do this, so
that's universal.
We understand that now.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
See my dad.
What he'll do is and if you'rein a circle like a three o'clock
text circle, you'll be gettingtexts at two o'clock, three
o'clock, it'll be a list ofstuff, or he'll be sending you
videos I mean dang near everynight, anytime, anytime, and and
he's already on like old man'ssleep schedule, so he's out by
like six, and then he's up atthree and he's just burning the
(21:42):
phone up.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
He's drinking coffee and he's like texting everybody.
Yeah, my dad does that and itmight be something.
I mean it's been stupid stuff.
You need to weed, eat the dogpen.
I'm like why do you feel likeyou?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
need to tell me that first thing in the morning.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
That's good stuff, though.
No, we're getting along.
That's good, that is good.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Y'all are very high-functioning families, yeah
we have just a bunch of stuffall the time, everywhere.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
all the time is really the only way to so,
between guiding, do you huntanything just for fun, like do
deer hunt, duck hunt?
I know you mentioned turkeyhunting.
Yeah, what's your favorite?
If you your favorite, if youhad to do one hunting once, one
type of hunt, and the rest ofyour life, nothing else, what
would it be?
Speaker 3 (22:20):
around here.
Yeah, definitely turkey hunt,really.
Yeah, it's my favorite and Iactually guided some turkey
hunts for a while which Ithought that I was gonna love,
and I actually despised itreally well, it's like when I'm
sitting here looking at a birdand I know how I can go kill
that bird, but I can't tell youand you're not capable.
(22:42):
It just makes me mad.
Yeah, I can see that you don'twant.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
You don't want to mix like pleasure and you know
business.
It's like it's one of the dealstoo.
It's like when I fish by myself, you know, I'm walked in, I'm
fishing real hard and trying,you know, trying to get.
When I take somebody with meand I'm trying to get them on
the fish, it's stressful, yeah,it's almost worse Big time.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah, I mean, I've heard of guides who like it's
completely ruined hunting forthem.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Yeah, like they just don't want to and that's kind of
what I told them about theturkey deal.
I said, look, y'all are goingto get somebody else.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
I said I've called in three.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I hate this guy, yeah , so tell me a little bit.
Obviously, you killed a littlebit of everything, like
obviously we see this big cathere.
Tell me what's like the most.
Oh, dude, well, we can talkabout this first.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Yeah, I just want to know about that.
Yeah, how'd that go down?
Where were you at first of all?
Speaker 3 (23:35):
That was in Idaho, idaho, yeah, the outfit that
does the bear hunting, they doline hunting too.
Oh yeah, line hunting's cool.
I don't like it because it'shard, okay.
So just imagine walking milesand miles and miles a day in 30
inches of snow.
Yeah, I mean, you're just wetall the time.
(23:57):
Yeah, in 30 inches of snow.
Yeah, I mean, you're just wetall the time.
Yeah, the coolest part aboutline hunting is looking at the
line, actually seeing the line,yeah, but like the race as far
as the dogs after it, it'snothing like a bear.
So, like dogs will slow trail aline and then, when they what
we call, jump it, which you know, like the line's actually
(24:18):
running from the dogs at thatmoment.
Yeah, they don't run very farthan they treat, whereas a bear
when you jump it if the dog'snot grabbing it, like on the
back end it just keep going.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
So it's first kind of thought process.
I got to get up, yeah, so likea lion's lungs.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
They're a sprinter.
They have little lungs, rightOkay.
So like a lion's lungs, they'rea sprinter, they have little
lungs, right Okay, where a bearis like more of a long distance
runner, and they have really biglungs.
So you'll run a bear and you'llrun it for three hours and
it'll cross the road and itwon't even be breathing hard.
You'll put a lion in a tree andyou can tell it's Puffing and
puffing.
Yeah, yeah, that's wild.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
As far as dogs go, more dogs, you think.
Is it easier on the dogs, Iguess, being a lion versus the
bear?
Obviously, because they're lessrunning.
But what about aggression, likein the lions?
Like, do you think a dog couldtore up more hunting lions or
bears?
No bears.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Because you catch more bears on the ground than
you do in the lion.
Now, there's such thing as lionkillers, I mean dog killers in
the lion world.
But you know, I really haven'tdone it a whole bunch, but I
feel like if I would know if mybuddy's dogs was getting killed
by lions all the time.
You know, yeah, um, but reallythe worst thing that's happening
now and for some reasoncolorado is turning them loose,
(25:31):
but in idaho they're gettingwhat we call getting wolfed.
Yeah, so we'll run in, getafter a bear line or whatever
and tree it by the den, and thenfour or five wolves come in and
kill nine dogs.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
That's crazy, stretch them and leave see, I haven't
heard about the wolves killingdogs, you know.
But I have heard about the wolfproblem.
Yeah, uh, how you can't shootthem.
Uh, in some places I don't knowabout what states I, what not I
know in.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Idaho.
I mean, you see one, you killit.
I've seen a bunch of tracks.
I'm almost 99% sure.
I've seen one one time and ofcourse it was like 200 yards
away and all I have is a .22pistol.
But yeah, so what's scary aboutdogs?
Getting wolfed is like my buddyJoey, who owns the outfit
(26:17):
that's his livelihood Right.
Getting wolfed is like my buddyjoey, who owns the outfit
that's his livelihood right.
You know he's doing.
There's a time we were doing 22hunters in the spring, 22
hunters in the fall.
Well, you tree a bear on thesecond day of season and you've
got 21 more people to take careof and the wolves kill all your
dogs yeah it's not.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
what are you gonna?
I mean you just got to calleverybody and say so I wonder
why they're releasing wolvesback into the ecosystem, but
surely there's a reason.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Uneducated people making decisions based on how
they feel.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
So they think maybe the wolves were here.
We eradicated them.
For what reasons?
Everybody, obviously, becausethey kill everything.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
There's a reason they're killed out.
There's a reason why we killedthe grizzly bears off in the
lower 48.
But for some reason they wantto bring them back.
I don't know why anyone wouldturn those wolves in the lower
48.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
I wonder if it's like a numbers thing, is there a
surplus of elk, or is there asurplus of some animal that
they're trying to balance withthe wolves?
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I don't know I know that they turn loose turn wolves
loose in uh yellowstone andthey just destroyed everything.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, I mean, that's what they do yeah, they're,
they're just the ultimate killer.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
So like and talking about people being uneducated,
just a little something on lines, that mountain lions get a bad
rap for killing so much stuff,but this is like a line, this is
how a line works.
Mountain lion will take offhunting right here and he might
go to Sheridan and kill a deerand he'll stay with that deer
(27:58):
right there for four or fivedays until he eats all of it and
then he might go to Pine Bluffand kill another one.
He might go to Fort Smith andkill one.
But what the wolves are doingis the wolves are trailing the
lines, letting the line whichthey're way more efficient at
killing stuff than a pack ofwolves they let the line kill
something and way more efficientat killing stuff than a pack of
(28:18):
wolves they let the line killsomething and then they'll run
him off.
Well, if you got a biologistthat really doesn't know what
how that works I mean, on paper,it's just mountain lions are
killing everything.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Mountain lions are killing everything, for all the
peels.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Everything.
But in reality it's the wolves,because they're smart.
Yeah, they're a dog, you know.
They're just running this freemeal.
We don't have to work that hard.
Let the lion do it.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, let the lion do the dirty.
Really, it's crazy.
I mean, you think about it.
You're in a bind if a pack ofwolves run up on you.
Oh yeah, because they're justkilling everything in the area.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Yeah, yeah, my buddy was actually the first person in
Idaho to get wolfed, and thishas been a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
So get wolfed, that's basically just get jacked up by
wolves.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
That's what it means Basically wolves, come in to
your pack of dogs that's gotgame tree and kill all of them.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
And they do it and just leave.
Yeah, they just do it out ofspite.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
It's not like they're eating them.
They just stretch them andleave.
It's crazy yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
And you don't see that out of a mountain lion,
like you said.
I mean they're trying to getout there.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I mean, they're killing to eat.
Yeah, exactly, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
And that's what like on the collared, a lot of the
collared elk and stuff.
You know.
They know, when they die orstay in the same spot, well,
they go in.
Well, okay, it's a mountainlion kill.
Well, why do you think theykilled it?
You know they got to eat, yeah,but they won't sit there and
look at the fact that, okay,maybe there's something bigger
(29:50):
as far as like the wolves,because you know that's how it
goes, yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Man.
I know one thing though that'sa big cat right there, yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
That is actually not the cat that I ended up killing.
That's a female.
I'd actually I'd never seen amountain lion in my life and I
was walking some dogs and Ilooked down.
There's a lion track Dog, puthis nose in it, run 300 yards
and treat that lion, that lion.
Seen me coming up the road inthe snow and it's a pretty eerie
(30:24):
feeling.
I mean it's the ultimatepredator.
Oh yeah, that's what it is.
And you're just standing likeI'm standing there with a Glock.
You know it's like predator.
Oh yeah, that's what it is.
And you're just saying like I'mstanding there with a Glock.
You know, I know you can killme.
But that's one thing.
Like that big Tom, the littlefemale that was just up there,
they look at you like kind ofscared but that Tom cat right
(30:44):
there Mess you up.
He just looks at you like Iknow I'll kill you.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
They're so athletic For one cats are so athletic,
even house cats, yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
That line.
There was actually breedinganother line when we treat it.
So I was walking and weactually heard them.
You ever heard a cat like whenit's real cold, and those stray
cats on the porch sitting therelike meowing real loud?
Yeah, that's what they weredoing.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
So y'all busted up in there in a very vulnerable time
for him.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
That's exactly what happened.
I bet he was scared, I bet hewas mad Poor guy, so I walk in
there with the dogs Catcher line.
It's a little female that wasjust on the screen and I get to
(31:41):
look and I'm like I know there'sbreeding.
So we get to looking and I say,okay, there's your tom track,
you know big track.
So what we did is we'd kind ofcome in on it like this my other
buddy had dogs, I had dogs, andthat cat shagged out and left
and then when we found his trackagain he'd come back almost to
us while we had that female onthe tree and then turn around
(32:03):
and left again and then we putthe dogs on it and caught it.
Yeah, he was wanting back inthere in a bad way, wow that's
spooky man, because they'resneaking around.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
oh yeah, you don't detect them because they're so
sneaky yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I mean, you can walk right by them and not even know
they're there.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
That's eerie.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Them walking on snow and us walking on snow is
completely different, oh yeah.
Oh yeah, You're so vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
They're designed for that reason, right there.
So so real, what's what'sgetting to man?
What is this taking you like?
What are your goals?
Where do you see yourself being?
You know, is the guiding goingto be your main focus, moving
forward, shooting going to bethe main focus, I mean?
Speaker 3 (32:40):
she's like my dad.
What are you doing?
Um, no, I like I like thegarden.
I don't think I'll ever own myown outfit just because I've
seen, like the bad side of thatto where, yeah, I mean, you kind
of turn your favorite thing todo into a job.
Um, I'm gonna proceed to keepshooting, probably not as
(33:01):
serious as I have been in thepast, but I do want to try to go
to the olympics, so I'm gonnakind of strive for that a little
bit.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Once you hit that bar right there, is that something
you're going to put to rest?
Yeah so you're just looking for.
You're going to check it offthe list.
That's just a bucket list item.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
It would be really cool if it happened, you know.
Yeah, Also, I've been around abunch of people that have
accomplished it and one thing Ilearned like there's more to
life than doing that, Becausewhen you go do it, you need to
do it for yourself.
Yeah, Because your life doesn'tchange.
I mean, you're still going towake up and go to the grocery
(33:40):
store and nobody's going to knowyou in six months.
Yeah, right, you know.
I can see that You're going tobe on the news for two or three
days at Little Rock.
Everybody's at Little Rock, butnobody's going to know, yeah
it's not like a life-changingevent that takes you through the
rest of your life.
Yeah, I mean people in theshooting community will know,
but I mean, my life wouldn'tchange, right?
Speaker 1 (33:58):
so you're looking more like okay, that's just
something I want to achieve andI want to move on past that, and
then I want to get to otherthings you know, either working
with your mom, working with yourdad, expanding, whatever it may
be I'm building spec housesright now, so you enjoy that.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
I enjoy the freedom that I get.
Um, if I was doing anythingother than that, I wouldn't be
able to go live in a tent for amonth in alaska, you know.
So, yeah, that's kind of that'swhat I'm doing now.
Of course, things change, youknow.
You might do somethingdifferent down the road.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
I never know that one thing I could, I could get in
your head and just take it over.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, is there anything like that?
You want to branch out andguide for other than what you're
doing right now?
Like a different animal maybe?
Yeah, or even you know.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
You know, I don't know I would I like dangerous
game, I wouldn't mind, like Idon't know that I'd ever guide,
but like go to Africa and killor hunt big cats over there.
Yeah, but as far as everythingelse, I don't care about impala,
I don't care about any, I mean.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I'm not educated on it so I don't care about it.
To me, the safari stuff, theAfrican you know going over
there and hunting all theAfrican animals and stuff, it's
like I just either, for one, Iain't killed a big enough deer
yet, or I ain't killed enoughturkeys.
It doesn't turn me on.
Just thought of going overthere and killing something I
can't even pronounce.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
That's my deal, and so I've been around like just
the types of hunters you get.
I can tell you kind of how theyare before we even get in the
woods.
And usually when they saythey've been to Africa six times
, that's just red flag.
Oh, yeah, yeah, they just don'tknow how to hunt.
That's a red flag, huh?
Well, they just expect it to belike Africa, where you shoot
(35:39):
over the hood of the truck andhere's your Impala or whatever
it is.
But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
As far as hunting-wise, what I'd rather be
doing than what I'm doing rightnow I'll tell you something you
could go after it.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
All right, you may have already done it um
alligator.
That's pretty cool.
We got a chance to do that thisyear, and it's.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
That's pretty cool.
One of my good friends went tovenice and uh, him and his wife
killed one apiece, but he saidit was nothing to it no, I mean
it's you know.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
You watch some shows and it seems real theatrical you
know like everything slowmotion dramatic music dumps but
it's not necessarily all that.
But I will say you know, dadgrabbed a hold of a.
He had a rope and there's a 10foot alligator on.
I was nervous he was going toget pulled in at one point.
(36:28):
I mean it did get hairy there.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Yeah, I don't know.
I've never really thought muchabout gators.
I don't know what else I would.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
They stink, though they stink bad, I bet.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
I fed one at Venice last July, I don't know why.
Well, I know why I fed it.
But when he was dumping fishguts and one came up there, I
fed it.
It wasn guts and one come upthere, I fed it it wasn't very
big, but yeah it.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Uh, yeah, I don't know, gators really don't excite
me.
So what about the fishing side?
You interested in that at all,as far as just fishing no.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Guiding no, no, I don't kind of like the fishing
yeah, a little bit.
Uh, probably fish quite a bitwith some buddies.
Um, and then we went to Venicelast year caught some swordfish.
I'm actually in two weeks Ijust booked this like two days
ago but going to Cabo and goingfishing for three or four days,
that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
So you don't know.
You don't know where yourlife's going to lead you.
You're just kind of why are youtalking down to me like?
Speaker 2 (37:25):
that you don't know anything.
You don't know you don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
You know you don't have a set exact destination,
you don't have an X where you'retrying to be.
But I will tell you one thingFrom everything I've heard so
far being 25 years old, you'rerunning fast in every direction.
So I would assume, here shortlyyou're going to figure that out
, wouldn't you?
Speaker 3 (37:46):
I'm hoping Honestly, because surely you're tired of
just everything I am kind oftired of.
I mean all the guiding stuff.
But man, it takes a toll beinggone that long.
Sure, then you're going to haveto figure out what you want to
do?
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yeah Well, I guess until that day comes we'll keep
on killing stuff.
Just keep on going.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
No, I got a pretty good of what I'll end up doing.
Yeah, and it's probably closeto the same business side stuff
that I'm doing right now Right.
I don't know where it'll be ifI take the knowledge of that and
go somewhere else or whatever,and do it there, but I got a
pretty good idea.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
That's cool.
That's cool and it sounds likeyou got role models and people
in your life that'll help.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Yeah, I got a lot of really good people that would
want to see me succeed.
That makes sense.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
That's good, that's really good.
Well, man, I appreciate youcoming.
Oh, yeah, tell us a little bitabout the wild ride your life is
.
Yeah, I mean, you live witheverything.
Dude, that's awesome, exciting,yeah.
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What's going on, guys ?
It's 5 o'clock and you're offto Uncle B's Got Today.
We have a very interesting guy.
His name is Ro Reynolds.
He's a Team USA trap shooter.
He also guides in Alaska andIdaho and does many other things
.
His family, they have anoutdoor store where they sell
dog collars, accessories fordogs, construction.
Really, it seems like they'redoing a lot in every direction.
(00:21):
These guys have a pretty crazystory on how much he's
accomplished in the short amountof time he's been doing it.
So he's going to tell us how hegot there and where he's trying
to go.
Let's get into it.
So, ro, first of all, thank youfor coming today, thanks for
having me and looking at all thestuff that you're into and
things you're out there doing,you've got a pretty big, wide
(00:43):
spectrum, from guiding toshooting to the dogs.
I mean, how old are you 25.
?
I mean you're conquering a lotreally quickly, wouldn't you say
yeah?
I mean, yeah, big time.
Let's just go ahead and getinto from the beginning.
Let's start from the guiding.
How'd you get into that?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
So it's a pretty funny story on the Alaska part.
But when I was, I guess, 18, Ijust graduated high school my
mom booked a bear hunt in Idahoand I went up there.
I killed a bear.
She killed a bear and becomereally good friends with the
outfitter and all the guys andall that.
Well, they had a young guy thatwas working there I hope we
don't watch this but they wasjust bashing him and his only
(01:22):
job was just to haul huntersaround.
So next year I call them.
I'm like you know y'all arebashing that old boy.
If y'all want some help,whatever, I'll come up there.
So I end up going up there,spend 63 days up there with
those guys and got my guide'slicense and all that and then
just for about the next threeyears, went up there every year.
I was going At one.
For about the next three yearswent up there every year.
(01:43):
I was going at one time I wasgoing in the spring and the fall
, but I actually didn't go thisfall because I was in Alaska.
But I think I'm going to goback this spring.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
So that's in Idaho, right?
Yeah, so you went on, you got aguided hunt with you and your
mom and then you was like, hey,I like this, this is something I
could do.
Yeah, and how did y?
Hunting with dogs?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
yeah, so we use dogs.
Um, we actually a little on themethod.
We do what they call rig,rigging dogs.
I think I give you all pictureuh rigging my white pickup but
uh put dogs up on top of the boxand then we just pretty much
drive around on the road.
It's pretty funny becauseyou're just like behind the
logging truck with dogs on top,yeah, top of your pickup, and
(02:22):
then of course they'll blow up,bark and smell and you'll unclip
them and the race is on.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Really.
Yeah, it's a good time I'vebeen in an adrenaline dump the
whole time.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know if you've ever hunted with
dogs very much, but it's justsomething about a 300-pound bear
running over the top of you.
Elevates it yeah whether it'slike across the road or whatever
.
And then you got somebody withyou who, 90 of the time, has
never seen a bear before soyou're trying, like you're
excited, trying to keep themfrom freaking out keep them from
(02:51):
shooting you and I've had somecrazy stuff happen with clients
that are.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Oh, I can only imagine.
I mean, because you got so much, you know it's like for them.
You know, I'm assuming you'reprobably hunting black bear yeah
, that's, that's right.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
So the temperament of black bear they're not
aggressive, I mean when theydecide they're either going to
have to fight to get out, fightor fight, but most of the time
they're just going to run off.
I've been on some pretty crazybay jobs, which is, you know,
have 30 head of dogs on one bearin a creek.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Do dogs ever get tore up by the bears?
Speaker 3 (03:27):
They do a couple times, and then they learn to
distance themselves.
There's been a bunch of timeswe've been stitching dogs up on
the side of a mountain.
We carry all that medical stuffand all that.
Right, because you're out there, I mean you're not actually
close to anything.
Yeah, I mean, there's timesit's like I always tell my
hunters, even in idaho, don'tshoot me, because I'm the only
(03:49):
one that can get us out of hereand I will die before we can get
to a road that somebody cancome get me a lot of times they
don't necessarily know wherethey're at.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
No, they're lost.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
They don't know, you know, and if they haven't ever
killed a bear for us that'stheir first time they're spooked
out, naturally, by the factthat they're chasing a bear down
by dogs and they're fixing togo up to them.
I'm sure they're spooked alittle, yeah, so I've had.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
You know, we've killed them on the ground, kill
them in trees, but uh, yeah,when people realize that they're
fixing to be within feet of abear, it's what we call the
drive method, which is when yougrab them by the shirt collar
and you just drive them in there.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Oh, yeah, they get cold feet yeah, uh, we've had
guys.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
We put them in holes, the guys won't go get go in
after them, and which, of course, we usually sit there and talk
them into it and call them badnames.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, just a little bit of peer pressure.
I imagine that's cool, though.
So hunting with dogs, that'ssomething you've done in the
past, like before you went toidaho, is it?
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
so I've had hounds my whole life.
My mom's had hounds uh, my dadhad hounds.
Grandparents both had houndsgreat grandparents so inevitably
you're gonna have hounds.
Yeah, it's just I.
Always I've had to have one atone time.
I've had tree dogs, squirreldogs.
I got a bunch of beagles rightnow I'll do a lot of running, a
lot of deer dogs.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Oh yeah, see I.
That's the kind of dog huntingthat I've done in the past.
When it comes to just running,yeah, is deer dogs?
That's fun, dude.
Yeah, it's a good time.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
It really is bear hunting's a lot like that.
You ever hog hunted with dogs,yeah, yeah.
So it's like a deer race andthen it turns into a hog bay, oh
yeah, and if it don't turn intoa hog bay, you've got to trade
like a coon.
So it's like you're getting alittle bit everything, getting
three at once, you know it'skind of like how they say elk
hunting is kind of like turkeyhunting.
(05:33):
Yeah you know what I mean?
Yeah it, uh, it is.
I like, uh, turkey huntingbetter, mainly because when you
kill a turkey, throw it overyour shoulder.
It's a lot easier.
Go Just kill an elk.
You walk up a mountain for twodays.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
So do you do any elk hunting or elk guiding?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
I've never guided elk but I have killed a five-point
bull in a spike.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Heck yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
And then my mom was with me one time.
I guess I guided her.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
But she killed a five-point bull.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Yeah for sure.
Actually, her bull.
I don't know, I don't want toself-incriminate myself here, no
, I was glassing from like amile and a half away and I knew
she was on this big face.
And sure enough, here comes thebull, and I got to watch the
entire thing play out through aspot.
(06:23):
Oh, really that's cool and itjust like walked up to her,
she's pow wow it was so cool.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
So do you, and your mom do a lot of hunting together
.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Yeah, so fun fact about me is my dad really
doesn't care about hunting atall.
Really yeah mom's hardcorehunter.
I think I killed my firstlongbeard when I was four and
she called it in, and I thinkshe probably called every
longbeard in for me until Iprobably 15.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
So your mom is what seems to be a badass.
My mom's a killer Seems to be abadass.
What does she do?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
She has a dog and hunt supply.
We own a store.
It's like an outdoor store.
We sell a lot of dog liketracking devices.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Accessories and stuff .
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Dog boxes, stuff like that Cool, where's that?
Speaker 1 (07:02):
out of Equipment.
Equipment, really, yeah, dude,that's awesome.
So y'all basically are in the.
You know, y'all do what youlove, in a way.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Yeah, in the industry , yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
As mom always says, I don't sell anything in my store
that I don't use.
Yeah, we try to and dime you.
You know how that works out, ohyeah.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Oh yeah.
So how much time does your momspend up in Idaho and Alaska
with you?
Does she spend a good bit oftime?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
She's never been, but there's times she'd come out
for a week or whatever to Idahoand hang out and hunt.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
So in Alaska.
So you're a guy in Alaska, Iassume.
What kind of animals are youguiding for Moose?
Speaker 3 (07:54):
and coastal brown bear.
Really Don't ever book a moosehunt ever.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Really I hate that.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Really yes.
What part do you hate about it,other than being so big?
What county are y'all in here?
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Dallas.
Okay, imagine there's sixturkeys in Dallas County and
three of them are jakes andthree of them are long beards
and you can only kill one ifit's within a mile of where
we're at right now.
Yeah, and none of them gobble.
It's tough, huh.
Yeah, you just glass all day.
(08:27):
I mean I glassed for 15 daysone time and seen two moose.
Really, yeah, wow, it's a grindthen.
Yeah, and the days are so long.
I mean you're pulling 4.30 inthe morning, of course.
Now we're waking up.
This guy's paid a lot of moneyto be there, so we're waking up,
cooking breakfast, coffee, allthat, waking him up, taking him
(08:48):
his coffee cup to his personaltent and then, like a lot of
times this year, I had anotherguide with me and I'd wake up,
slam a cup of coffee and run upthe mountain.
Well, I can get to the top ofthe mountain to glass, and I had
it down to like 30 minutes.
I could get off of it in 12,but it took me 30 to get up
there.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
And it would take the first day.
It took our client like an hourand a half.
Well, I mean, your hunt's overat that point, your prime time,
so you got to leave earlier.
Yeah, so I was ripping up themountain and doing all the
hunting, and then he pretty muchjust sat down there at the tent
and then I did actually see abull, but it was two, three
(09:29):
miles away, yeah, and we wasglassing forever.
I want you to kill one.
That's when the real workbegins.
Well, and that's the deal.
When I was hitting on, you knowa mile of here.
If you kill one and you can'tget it out in time, um, you're
gonna get some heavy fines,really, yeah, and like so we
don't have anything butbackpacks and float planes, so
(09:50):
you need to kill it within amile of the water right to be
able to do it.
So, yeah, like we would getlanded on by miss alley she's a
park ranger.
We're in a big park up there,miss Allie yeah, she'd buzz us
with a cub land.
Get out, check all of ourpaperwork and then just get back
in the plane and leave.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
That's so cool.
That is cool.
It's a whole different worldout there.
Yeah, I mean how far away fromlike.
When I say civilization, I meanlike, how far away from like
civilization, civilization areyou when you there?
Speaker 3 (10:21):
probably around 80 to 100 mile.
Yeah, I mean, you couldn't, youcouldn't walk out, right?
Speaker 1 (10:25):
and things go bad out there.
I mean it'd be bad situation.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Yeah, that's we all have to be medical, like first
aid certified, really in case,like a client you know goes down
or whatever it may be, you knowthat's pretty crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
So next thing on my list is shooting so kind of walk
us through when shootingstarted for you competition
shooting primarily.
Walk us through when shootingstarted for you competition
shooting primarily trap.
How did that get started foryou and how far are you planning
on taking it?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
So I started shooting , I guess when I started
carrying around that Red Ryder,when I was about three.
As everybody seems, like no,when I was about 12, 10 to 12, I
really just wanted to getbetter at shooting a shotgun.
That's how it started.
So I went to Tommy LynnBrowning's house, which my dad's
been a good friend of his.
(11:11):
His daughter shot competitivelyand still does, and she
actually just went to theOlympics in 2021.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Really, yeah, got a silver medal.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
So I just kind of went to learn how to shoot a
little better as far as likehunting-wise.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
And then I guess Tommy just pretty much told me
hey, you got a lot of naturaltalent and you need to try to
pursue this if it's somethingyou want to do.
So I did and I went to my firstinternational match in 2012,.
And it was in Tucson, arizona,really in 2012, and it was in uh
(11:47):
tucson, arizona, really, and uhever since then.
Actually they're having oneright now in uh west palm beach,
but I didn't go.
I didn't go the last one either, but like they're not having
anything selection wise to go tothe olympics until next year,
so there's really no reason forme to go.
Go ahead, jake.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
So how do you balance ?
You know, obviously these aretwo very big hobbies.
With the guiding and theshooting team, it's extremely
hard.
Okay, yeah, Tell me about likea year-to-year basis how you
kind of break it up.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Well, that's part of the reason why I didn't go last
fall to the last match because Iwas trying to knock out.
So to get your guy's license inAlaska, you got to have 60 days
in state.
30 has got to be like undercontract with an outfitter.
I got you.
So I was like you know, Ireally want to try to get that
knocked out, so I'll have it,because I didn't want old boy to
(12:35):
just be like, okay, I've usedyou for 30 days.
Yeah, bye, you know Right which.
I'm going to jump around here alittle bit, that's fine.
The whole reason I ended up inAlaska happened in Las Vegas.
Oh really, yeah, oh man, how'dthat happen?
I walked up.
I was at the NFR and I walkedup.
(12:56):
It was at Cowboy Christmas.
I walked up to this booth I'mjust talking, of course, mom and
everybody, they're all shoppingand I said hey, I'm a guy in
Idaho, whatever, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah.
We're talking, he goes.
Well, you want to come toAlaska?
I said all you got to do is saywhen.
And that was pretty much theconversation.
Yeah, so like four months laterhe texts me you still coming.
(13:17):
I'm like yep, Doesn't sayanything back.
It's like the middle of Augustis when I'm supposed to be there
.
He texts me like halfwaythrough July Send me your
information.
So I send him all my stuff.
Next thing, you know, Two weeksbefore he's supposed to be
leaving, he texts me hey, I gotyou a flight book for here.
I'm like what do I need?
Speaker 1 (13:37):
supposed to be leaving.
He texts me hey, I got you aflight book for here.
I'm like, what do I need?
Speaker 3 (13:40):
yeah, like there's, you know, I need to fill in some
uh, so the guy that I wasactually talking to in vegas, he
was with a client like out inthe bush when I got there, so I
sat there for three days and I'msitting there going.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
These guys are abducting me yeah, and I'm
obviously I'm in the middle ofnowhere wrong, yeah it's me and
the outfitter Love the outfitterto death.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
He's a great dude, but he's kind of a hermit, oh
yeah.
Yeah.
Doesn't talk much, but he's thereal deal, he's a master guide.
But we're just sitting there inthis little lean-to cabin for
like two or three days andfinally he's like okay, we're
going to go get Matt now.
The relief of seeing someonethat you knew.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Because, I knew okay, it's real.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
It was up to that point.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I'm like I'm literally, and as the days go on
, it gets worse.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Yes, You're like well , maybe, Maybe you're just
thinking of more crazy things inyour head and I'm like when's
he going to try to kill me?
Speaker 1 (14:33):
You know what I mean.
Like why are you looking at melike that?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
You're just like I keep my eyes on you 48 hours.
Yeah, that's wild.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
I can imagine.
Yeah, no, it was definitelycrazy, do you?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
like it up there?
Yeah, just the scenery, the.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
I like to do things.
This is probably going to soundarrogant.
I like to do things that a lotof people don't think that they
would be able to do.
Right right, right Like sleepin a tent for 22 days, yeah yeah
, stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
No showers.
No, I mean no.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
I went 22.
If there's any good lookingwomen out there, don't listen.
I did go 22 days without takinga shower.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I won with nature dude.
Yeah, it's On the wild side.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Well, I bet you're not sweating much, at least you
actually are.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Really, yeah.
Yeah, it was really hot thisyear while I was out there, like
I wore a t-shirt most of thetime.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Really, what kind of degrees is it?
I mean generally.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
I mean, it'd get up to like 50 or 60, but then you'd
rip up a mountain, you're also,yeah, doing a lot of hiking and
stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Swe ago when I killed my first elk and we actually
killed it in Hell's Mesa, okay,and I'll tell you that was
brutal.
Oh yeah, I lost the camera guyfor like six hours out there.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
It was rough, dude.
I lost a hunt.
Well, I didn't, but we lost ahunter one time.
Really, we lost a whole person.
How'd that happen?
Well, we were running dogs andwe bayed and we'd already all
the hunters had already killed.
We was just kind of hunting forfun.
So we scream off the mountain,get down in the creek bottom.
(16:07):
Well, one of the other guys hadthe hunter with him.
Well, he thought that thehunter stayed at the side of the
side.
Well, the hunter just took offdown the hill.
Well, I mean, he couldn't getaround like we could.
We've been doing it every dayfor 30 days.
Yeah, we just run off and lefthim on accident.
So we get down there, get thedogs pulled off, the bay bear
(16:27):
goes up a tree, whatever.
We get everything.
We go up the mountain, we getback to all the bikes and like
we had come in from the way theland lays.
It's like a big drainage right.
There's roads over here andwell, we come in like from here.
Four different directions.
Yeah.
So when we get back to the tophe's like, uh, where's mike at?
(16:49):
We're like is he not with you?
Oh so for three hours we justdrove around.
We knew he had a pistol.
There's no phone service, yeah.
So we were shooting, trying tohear him shoot.
And then finally, I bet hewalked two miles up a creek and
he looked like damned when wefound him and he was scared to
(17:12):
death, which I don't blame him.
I guess he thought we was goingto leave him.
Yeah yeah, it was wild.
I can only imagine Losingpeople, especially like when
you're liable for them.
We really thought we were goingto have to, like, call a
helicopter.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
How did he handle it?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
The customer did I mean was he upset, so he was a
repeat client and he knew thathe should have kept up or not
went at one of those deals.
I've hunted with him four orfive times, but funny enough, he
actually the next year we satdown to breakfast.
(17:47):
He'd come back like rebookedwith us.
We sat down for breakfast andhe goes over to my buddy's
little cabinet where he keepsall his tracking collars and
gets one out, puts it around hisneck and he goes you ain't
losing me this time.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
No way, not this time .
Oh, that's funny.
Which you know now, have youseen those radios,
walkie-talkies that work fromanywhere?
Oh yeah, Like all the wayacross the United States, you
can use these walkie-talkies.
Dude, that's crazy technology.
It is nuts.
Yeah, I too.
I actually know one of mybuddies, grayson, and his family
has them.
We were at dog camp and all ofa sudden their walkie-talkie
(18:21):
started going off.
And it was his mom.
Really yeah, she was inLouisiana and we were in
Arkansas.
We're talking aboutwalkie-talkies here.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Yeah, I want some of those.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
And they go all the way across the United States.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
It's incredible.
I don't know the name of.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
I mean it's when all of our phones said SOS like
absolutely no service, nothingand clear as day.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yeah, it's walkie-talkie coming from the
state over and you're like whatthe?
Yeah, that's wild.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
We take a bunch of DeWalt batteries in the bush
with us and then thank you, elon, we have one of those Starlink
minis.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
So the Starlink minis.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
So like we're streaming Netflixand stuff in the bush when it's
raining.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Yeah, it's huge, that is cool.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
FaceTime anybody you know it makes it a little better
.
Yeah, I've seen people out, youknow, out in the ocean fishing
deep and you know you just get alittle signal out there and
they'll use those Starlinks andthey work really good yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
The Walt gold worth their weight in gold.
Oh yeah, in the bush, yeah Igotta charge them.
So you just take a bunch.
Really, I think I took six,yeah, um, but yeah, they're well
, they're so versatile, they arejump.
Yeah, we jumped a four-wheelerwith one one time.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
I mean, you can speed up trim to a motor with d-watt
batteries.
I mean it's, it's insane withpeople yeah I'm fixing to hook,
uh, briggs's little truck up.
Oh yeah, yeah, I gotta give hima little power boost.
It's fixing to hook Briggs'little truck up.
Oh yeah, yeah, I got to givehim a little power boost.
He's fixing to be D-Walkswapped, like it's happening,
yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
So all right.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
So we've heard about your mom.
All right, she's a badass.
She's out there killing stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
No doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Selling dog collars, accessories.
You know, living it up.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
What?
What about your dad?
What do you do with your dad?
Hmm, my dad is into a lot ofstuff.
He's done a little bit ofeverything.
Yeah, I guess the best thing tosay is he's done everything
from owning a car dealership tobeing in the house of
representatives.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Really, yeah, so he's a busy man.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yes, busy, busy me and him build spec homes really
develop subdivisions and thenrun cattle and all kinds of
stuff.
So I'll just do a little bit ofeverything.
Yeah, we got fingers andeverything.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I mean so when y'all go home at night, y'all are
together and you're just talkingabout things that are going on.
Y'all got stuff going on everydirection, just about yeah,
literally every which way.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
So me and dad both face all of our stuff out of
mom's store, Right.
So we kind of do when you weresaying, go home at night, we do
that from 9 to 5 there.
Yeah, Of course dad thinksabout it 24-7.
Oh yeah, he has to, but I justkind of want to be like, turn it
off in the evenings.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Does your dad text you super early, like 2 in the
morning, 3 in the morning, everLike he just can't sleep
thinking about something.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
No, but I know that he stays up and then, like the
first time that he thinks it'sfeasible to call me in the
morning, whether that be 645 or8 or whatever he calls, and he's
just got like a laundry list,so you need to do this, we need
to do this, see so that to dothis, we need to do this, so
that's universal.
We understand that now.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
See my dad.
What he'll do is and if you'rein a circle like a three o'clock
text circle, you'll be gettingtexts at two o'clock, three
o'clock, it'll be a list ofstuff, or he'll be sending you
videos I mean dang near everynight, anytime, anytime, and and
he's already on like old man'ssleep schedule, so he's out by
like six, and then he's up atthree and he's just burning the
(21:42):
phone up.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
He's drinking coffee and he's like texting everybody.
Yeah, my dad does that and itmight be something.
I mean it's been stupid stuff.
You need to weed, eat the dogpen.
I'm like why do you feel likeyou?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
need to tell me that first thing in the morning.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
That's good stuff, though.
No, we're getting along.
That's good, that is good.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Y'all are very high-functioning families, yeah
we have just a bunch of stuffall the time, everywhere.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
all the time is really the only way to so,
between guiding, do you huntanything just for fun, like do
deer hunt, duck hunt?
I know you mentioned turkeyhunting.
Yeah, what's your favorite?
If you your favorite, if youhad to do one hunting once, one
type of hunt, and the rest ofyour life, nothing else, what
would it be?
Speaker 3 (22:20):
around here.
Yeah, definitely turkey hunt,really.
Yeah, it's my favorite and Iactually guided some turkey
hunts for a while which Ithought that I was gonna love,
and I actually despised itreally well, it's like when I'm
sitting here looking at a birdand I know how I can go kill
that bird, but I can't tell youand you're not capable.
(22:42):
It just makes me mad.
Yeah, I can see that you don'twant.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
You don't want to mix like pleasure and you know
business.
It's like it's one of the dealstoo.
It's like when I fish by myself, you know, I'm walked in, I'm
fishing real hard and trying,you know, trying to get.
When I take somebody with meand I'm trying to get them on
the fish, it's stressful, yeah,it's almost worse Big time.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah, I mean, I've heard of guides who like it's
completely ruined hunting forthem.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Yeah, like they just don't want to and that's kind of
what I told them about theturkey deal.
I said, look, y'all are goingto get somebody else.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
I said I've called in three.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I hate this guy, yeah , so tell me a little bit.
Obviously, you killed a littlebit of everything, like
obviously we see this big cathere.
Tell me what's like the most.
Oh, dude, well, we can talkabout this first.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Yeah, I just want to know about that.
Yeah, how'd that go down?
Where were you at first of all?
Speaker 3 (23:35):
That was in Idaho, idaho, yeah, the outfit that
does the bear hunting, they doline hunting too.
Oh yeah, line hunting's cool.
I don't like it because it'shard, okay.
So just imagine walking milesand miles and miles a day in 30
inches of snow.
Yeah, I mean, you're just wetall the time.
(23:57):
Yeah, in 30 inches of snow.
Yeah, I mean, you're just wetall the time.
Yeah, the coolest part aboutline hunting is looking at the
line, actually seeing the line,yeah, but like the race as far
as the dogs after it, it'snothing like a bear.
So, like dogs will slow trail aline and then, when they what
we call, jump it, which you know, like the line's actually
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running from the dogs at thatmoment.
Yeah, they don't run very farthan they treat, whereas a bear
when you jump it if the dog'snot grabbing it, like on the
back end it just keep going.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
So it's first kind of thought process.
I got to get up, yeah, so likea lion's lungs.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
They're a sprinter.
They have little lungs, rightOkay.
So like a lion's lungs, they'rea sprinter, they have little
lungs, right Okay, where a bearis like more of a long distance
runner, and they have really biglungs.
So you'll run a bear and you'llrun it for three hours and
it'll cross the road and itwon't even be breathing hard.
You'll put a lion in a tree andyou can tell it's Puffing and
puffing.
Yeah, yeah, that's wild.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
As far as dogs go, more dogs, you think.
Is it easier on the dogs, Iguess, being a lion versus the
bear?
Obviously, because they're lessrunning.
But what about aggression, likein the lions?
Like, do you think a dog couldtore up more hunting lions or
bears?
No bears.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Because you catch more bears on the ground than
you do in the lion.
Now, there's such thing as lionkillers, I mean dog killers in
the lion world.
But you know, I really haven'tdone it a whole bunch, but I
feel like if I would know if mybuddy's dogs was getting killed
by lions all the time.
You know, yeah, um, but reallythe worst thing that's happening
now and for some reasoncolorado is turning them loose,
(25:31):
but in idaho they're gettingwhat we call getting wolfed.
Yeah, so we'll run in, getafter a bear line or whatever
and tree it by the den, and thenfour or five wolves come in and
kill nine dogs.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
That's crazy, stretch them and leave see, I haven't
heard about the wolves killingdogs, you know.
But I have heard about the wolfproblem.
Yeah, uh, how you can't shootthem.
Uh, in some places I don't knowabout what states I, what not I
know in.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Idaho.
I mean, you see one, you killit.
I've seen a bunch of tracks.
I'm almost 99% sure.
I've seen one one time and ofcourse it was like 200 yards
away and all I have is a .22pistol.
But yeah, so what's scary aboutdogs?
Getting wolfed is like my buddyJoey, who owns the outfit
(26:17):
that's his livelihood Right.
Getting wolfed is like my buddyjoey, who owns the outfit
that's his livelihood right.
You know he's doing.
There's a time we were doing 22hunters in the spring, 22
hunters in the fall.
Well, you tree a bear on thesecond day of season and you've
got 21 more people to take careof and the wolves kill all your
dogs yeah it's not.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
what are you gonna?
I mean you just got to calleverybody and say so I wonder
why they're releasing wolvesback into the ecosystem, but
surely there's a reason.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Uneducated people making decisions based on how
they feel.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
So they think maybe the wolves were here.
We eradicated them.
For what reasons?
Everybody, obviously, becausethey kill everything.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
There's a reason they're killed out.
There's a reason why we killedthe grizzly bears off in the
lower 48.
But for some reason they wantto bring them back.
I don't know why anyone wouldturn those wolves in the lower
48.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
I wonder if it's like a numbers thing, is there a
surplus of elk, or is there asurplus of some animal that
they're trying to balance withthe wolves?
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I don't know I know that they turn loose turn wolves
loose in uh yellowstone andthey just destroyed everything.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, I mean, that's what they do yeah, they're,
they're just the ultimate killer.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
So like and talking about people being uneducated,
just a little something on lines, that mountain lions get a bad
rap for killing so much stuff,but this is like a line, this is
how a line works.
Mountain lion will take offhunting right here and he might
go to Sheridan and kill a deerand he'll stay with that deer
(27:58):
right there for four or fivedays until he eats all of it and
then he might go to Pine Bluffand kill another one.
He might go to Fort Smith andkill one.
But what the wolves are doingis the wolves are trailing the
lines, letting the line whichthey're way more efficient at
killing stuff than a pack ofwolves they let the line kill
something and way more efficientat killing stuff than a pack of
(28:18):
wolves they let the line killsomething and then they'll run
him off.
Well, if you got a biologistthat really doesn't know what
how that works I mean, on paper,it's just mountain lions are
killing everything.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Mountain lions are killing everything, for all the
peels.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Everything.
But in reality it's the wolves,because they're smart.
Yeah, they're a dog, you know.
They're just running this freemeal.
We don't have to work that hard.
Let the lion do it.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, let the lion do the dirty.
Really, it's crazy.
I mean, you think about it.
You're in a bind if a pack ofwolves run up on you.
Oh yeah, because they're justkilling everything in the area.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Yeah, yeah, my buddy was actually the first person in
Idaho to get wolfed, and thishas been a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
So get wolfed, that's basically just get jacked up by
wolves.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
That's what it means Basically wolves, come in to
your pack of dogs that's gotgame tree and kill all of them.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
And they do it and just leave.
Yeah, they just do it out ofspite.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
It's not like they're eating them.
They just stretch them andleave.
It's crazy yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
And you don't see that out of a mountain lion,
like you said.
I mean they're trying to getout there.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I mean, they're killing to eat.
Yeah, exactly, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
And that's what like on the collared, a lot of the
collared elk and stuff.
You know.
They know, when they die orstay in the same spot, well,
they go in.
Well, okay, it's a mountainlion kill.
Well, why do you think theykilled it?
You know they got to eat, yeah,but they won't sit there and
look at the fact that, okay,maybe there's something bigger
(29:50):
as far as like the wolves,because you know that's how it
goes, yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Man.
I know one thing though that'sa big cat right there, yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
That is actually not the cat that I ended up killing.
That's a female.
I'd actually I'd never seen amountain lion in my life and I
was walking some dogs and Ilooked down.
There's a lion track Dog, puthis nose in it, run 300 yards
and treat that lion, that lion.
Seen me coming up the road inthe snow and it's a pretty eerie
(30:24):
feeling.
I mean it's the ultimatepredator.
Oh yeah, that's what it is.
And you're just standing likeI'm standing there with a Glock.
You know it's like predator.
Oh yeah, that's what it is.
And you're just saying like I'mstanding there with a Glock.
You know, I know you can killme.
But that's one thing.
Like that big Tom, the littlefemale that was just up there,
they look at you like kind ofscared but that Tom cat right
(30:44):
there Mess you up.
He just looks at you like Iknow I'll kill you.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
They're so athletic For one cats are so athletic,
even house cats, yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
That line.
There was actually breedinganother line when we treat it.
So I was walking and weactually heard them.
You ever heard a cat like whenit's real cold, and those stray
cats on the porch sitting therelike meowing real loud?
Yeah, that's what they weredoing.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
So y'all busted up in there in a very vulnerable time
for him.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
That's exactly what happened.
I bet he was scared, I bet hewas mad Poor guy, so I walk in
there with the dogs Catcher line.
It's a little female that wasjust on the screen and I get to
(31:41):
look and I'm like I know there'sbreeding.
So we get to looking and I say,okay, there's your tom track,
you know big track.
So what we did is we'd kind ofcome in on it like this my other
buddy had dogs, I had dogs, andthat cat shagged out and left
and then when we found his trackagain he'd come back almost to
us while we had that female onthe tree and then turn around
(32:03):
and left again and then we putthe dogs on it and caught it.
Yeah, he was wanting back inthere in a bad way, wow that's
spooky man, because they'resneaking around.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
oh yeah, you don't detect them because they're so
sneaky yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I mean, you can walk right by them and not even know
they're there.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
That's eerie.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Them walking on snow and us walking on snow is
completely different, oh yeah.
Oh yeah, You're so vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
They're designed for that reason, right there.
So so real, what's what'sgetting to man?
What is this taking you like?
What are your goals?
Where do you see yourself being?
You know, is the guiding goingto be your main focus, moving
forward, shooting going to bethe main focus, I mean?
Speaker 3 (32:40):
she's like my dad.
What are you doing?
Um, no, I like I like thegarden.
I don't think I'll ever own myown outfit just because I've
seen, like the bad side of thatto where, yeah, I mean, you kind
of turn your favorite thing todo into a job.
Um, I'm gonna proceed to keepshooting, probably not as
(33:01):
serious as I have been in thepast, but I do want to try to go
to the olympics, so I'm gonnakind of strive for that a little
bit.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Once you hit that bar right there, is that something
you're going to put to rest?
Yeah so you're just looking for.
You're going to check it offthe list.
That's just a bucket list item.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
It would be really cool if it happened, you know.
Yeah, Also, I've been around abunch of people that have
accomplished it and one thing Ilearned like there's more to
life than doing that, Becausewhen you go do it, you need to
do it for yourself.
Yeah, Because your life doesn'tchange.
I mean, you're still going towake up and go to the grocery
(33:40):
store and nobody's going to knowyou in six months.
Yeah, right, you know.
I can see that You're going tobe on the news for two or three
days at Little Rock.
Everybody's at Little Rock, butnobody's going to know, yeah
it's not like a life-changingevent that takes you through the
rest of your life.
Yeah, I mean people in theshooting community will know,
but I mean, my life wouldn'tchange, right?
Speaker 1 (33:58):
so you're looking more like okay, that's just
something I want to achieve andI want to move on past that, and
then I want to get to otherthings you know, either working
with your mom, working with yourdad, expanding, whatever it may
be I'm building spec housesright now, so you enjoy that.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
I enjoy the freedom that I get.
Um, if I was doing anythingother than that, I wouldn't be
able to go live in a tent for amonth in alaska, you know.
So, yeah, that's kind of that'swhat I'm doing now.
Of course, things change, youknow.
You might do somethingdifferent down the road.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
I never know that one thing I could, I could get in
your head and just take it over.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, is there anything like that?
You want to branch out andguide for other than what you're
doing right now?
Like a different animal maybe?
Yeah, or even you know.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
You know, I don't know I would I like dangerous
game, I wouldn't mind, like Idon't know that I'd ever guide,
but like go to Africa and killor hunt big cats over there.
Yeah, but as far as everythingelse, I don't care about impala,
I don't care about any, I mean.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I'm not educated on it so I don't care about it.
To me, the safari stuff, theAfrican you know going over
there and hunting all theAfrican animals and stuff, it's
like I just either, for one, Iain't killed a big enough deer
yet, or I ain't killed enoughturkeys.
It doesn't turn me on.
Just thought of going overthere and killing something I
can't even pronounce.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
That's my deal, and so I've been around like just
the types of hunters you get.
I can tell you kind of how theyare before we even get in the
woods.
And usually when they saythey've been to Africa six times
, that's just red flag.
Oh, yeah, yeah, they just don'tknow how to hunt.
That's a red flag, huh?
Well, they just expect it to belike Africa, where you shoot
(35:39):
over the hood of the truck andhere's your Impala or whatever
it is.
But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
As far as hunting-wise, what I'd rather be
doing than what I'm doing rightnow I'll tell you something you
could go after it.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
All right, you may have already done it um
alligator.
That's pretty cool.
We got a chance to do that thisyear, and it's.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
That's pretty cool.
One of my good friends went tovenice and uh, him and his wife
killed one apiece, but he saidit was nothing to it no, I mean
it's you know.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
You watch some shows and it seems real theatrical you
know like everything slowmotion dramatic music dumps but
it's not necessarily all that.
But I will say you know, dadgrabbed a hold of a.
He had a rope and there's a 10foot alligator on.
I was nervous he was going toget pulled in at one point.
(36:28):
I mean it did get hairy there.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Yeah, I don't know.
I've never really thought muchabout gators.
I don't know what else I would.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
They stink, though they stink bad, I bet.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
I fed one at Venice last July, I don't know why.
Well, I know why I fed it.
But when he was dumping fishguts and one came up there, I
fed it.
It wasn guts and one come upthere, I fed it it wasn't very
big, but yeah it.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Uh, yeah, I don't know, gators really don't excite
me.
So what about the fishing side?
You interested in that at all,as far as just fishing no.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Guiding no, no, I don't kind of like the fishing
yeah, a little bit.
Uh, probably fish quite a bitwith some buddies.
Um, and then we went to Venicelast year caught some swordfish.
I'm actually in two weeks Ijust booked this like two days
ago but going to Cabo and goingfishing for three or four days,
that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
So you don't know.
You don't know where yourlife's going to lead you.
You're just kind of why are youtalking down to me like?
Speaker 2 (37:25):
that you don't know anything.
You don't know you don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
You know you don't have a set exact destination,
you don't have an X where you'retrying to be.
But I will tell you one thingFrom everything I've heard so
far being 25 years old, you'rerunning fast in every direction.
So I would assume, here shortlyyou're going to figure that out
, wouldn't you?
Speaker 3 (37:46):
I'm hoping Honestly, because surely you're tired of
just everything I am kind oftired of.
I mean all the guiding stuff.
But man, it takes a toll beinggone that long.
Sure, then you're going to haveto figure out what you want to
do?
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yeah Well, I guess until that day comes we'll keep
on killing stuff.
Just keep on going.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
No, I got a pretty good of what I'll end up doing.
Yeah, and it's probably closeto the same business side stuff
that I'm doing right now Right.
I don't know where it'll be ifI take the knowledge of that and
go somewhere else or whatever,and do it there, but I got a
pretty good idea.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
That's cool.
That's cool and it sounds likeyou got role models and people
in your life that'll help.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Yeah, I got a lot of really good people that would
want to see me succeed.
That makes sense.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
That's good, that's really good.
Well, man, I appreciate youcoming.
Oh, yeah, tell us a little bitabout the wild ride your life is
.
Yeah, I mean, you live witheverything.
Dude, that's awesome, exciting,yeah.
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