WILDLIFE RE-CREATIONS TAXIDERMY STUDIO | Ep080 | Off The Clock with B Scott - Off The Clock with B Scott

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SPEAKER_02 (00:00):
It's five o'clock and you're off the clock with B
Scout.
Today we have as our guestJoseph Ferris with Wildlife
Recreation Taxidermy Studio.
Now, this guy makes high qualitymounts, okay?
Phenomenal.
Really pays attention to detail.
So he's gonna walk us throughhow he got started, what got him

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going in it.
He's gonna talk about what makeshim different, and that's the
attention to detail.
So we're gonna go over whatdifferent things he does that
puts him up a level on everybodyelse.
And we're also gonna talk abouthunting.
We're gonna talk about what weenjoy about it, what we enjoy
about going after big deer, andwe're gonna talk a little bit
about just basically everythingyou can do with a deer, what his

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favorite mount is, what positionyou can put the ears in.
I didn't even know you couldturn ears inside out, and he's
gonna show us that.
So, guys, before we get into it,make sure you leave a like,
subscribe, hit the bell fornotifications.
Let's dive in.
Let's so since you're doingtaxidermy, I would assume you're
a hunter.
Okay.
Of course.

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So let's get started from the bfrom the very beginning.
What got you into hunting?
What got you down this pathbasically?

SPEAKER_03 (01:09):
My belated father did.
I killed my first buck when Iwas four.
Oh, yeah.
So got you in early.
Very early, you know.
Um, double barrel side by side410.
And I I had never pulled bothtriggers at the same time prior
to that hunt.
That's funny, dude.
And I think my dad, andhonestly, was kind of smart

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about it, was, you know, hey,shoot this one and then pull the
next one, you know, get twoshots.
All right.
So um this doe comes out andshe's just got that deer in the
headlight looks, you know, likelooking at us, and we're sitting
in a little stand that he hadkind of rigged up.
And um and I was like, Dad,there's a deer, there's deer,

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there's deer, dad, there's adeer.
Oh yeah, you know, I'm afour-year-old kid.
And uh shoot the damn thing.
And so of course I did, and andright before I I did, you know,
and I've got my gut up, and he'spull both triggers at the same
time.
And we're talking just likethis.
Pull both triggers at the sametime, and she's still sitting
there like She knows something'sup.
Oh, of course.

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And uh I don't know how I didn'tfall on the stand that day.
I just double shot.
Yeah, a four-year-old, you know,and it's a four ten, it's not a
big caliber, anyways, but you'repulling both triggers.
It's twice.
I I I remember back, you know,almost 40 years ago, that
feeling of it kicking me.
Oh, yeah.
I'd never pulled both triggersbefore.

SPEAKER_02 (02:32):
Well, anybody that shot shotguns has one memory,
one core memory of getting theirjaw jagged.
Like, oh yeah.
Mine was when I was uh, I don'tknow, I was probably 10 or 11,
and I was sitting, we're turkeyhunting, and I was shooting at
12 gauge, and I was leaned upoff this cypress tree that I was
sitting on.
I was leaned up to shoot kind ofto my left, and when I shot, it

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just spun me and power droppedme right into the tree.
I love it.

SPEAKER_04 (02:57):
I basically did the same thing with a Mossberg 835
when I was real, real young anda tree climber, and it unlatched
the top section of that treeclimber, and I fell right down
to the bottom, the bottom, so Ididn't fall that far.
Yeah.
But it'll make your heart drop.
It's cool though.
I mean killed the deer though.

SPEAKER_02 (03:15):
Hey, that's all that matters.
So you guys started at a youngage, and you know, you so you
started just hunting from thatpoint on.
You just stayed in it, stayedbehind.

SPEAKER_03 (03:24):
I had a cousin when I was probably six or seven
years old.
Uh, he was married to my cousin.
Uh hey, let's go squirrelhunting.
You want to go squirrel hunting?
Heck yeah.
Yeah, let's go squirrel hunting.
Yeah.
So I did that for a couple yearswhen I was younger.
I haven't been squirrel huntingsince.
Yeah, but you know, I do itevery once in a while.
It's not something I've reallyfish very little.
Um, I don't have the patiencefor it unless I'm catching fish.

SPEAKER_04 (03:47):
Me too.

SPEAKER_03 (03:47):
You know, but there's something about being in
the woods.
I don't care if I see a deer, ifI don't.
There's something about beingout in God's house.
Peaceful.
Peace.
Being in God's country and justsoaking it up.
And I love it.
I love it.
Especially being out there likeby yourself, too.
Like you just have time tothink.
The past the past couple years,uh, my best friend Jonathan um

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has has wanted to kill a bigbuck, and he hasn't.
And the little parcel that I'mhunting in Plaskey County,
there's there's some good bucksthere, some very good bucks.
Um and so I haven't, as hisfriend and as that person,
haven't tried to focus on me.
I focused on him.
Trying to get him a buck.
And so I tried that for thefirst time last year.
I said, Hey, I'm gonna sit withyou in this little buddy stand.

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I mean, it's barely big enough,and we bow hunt.
You know, I'm I'm gonna sit withyou and I'm not even taking my
bow.
What?
I was like, no, I'm I'm gonnahave my phone out.
I wanna I want to film yougetting something.
And his eyes just lit up, youknow.
And uh it's it's a love, it's afriendship, you know.
It's cool.
Yeah, absolutely.
Um, but no, my my thing is umanybody can kill a deer.

(04:51):
I mean, if you can pull atrigger, you know, you can kill
a deer.
Oh yeah.
I don't care if you're fouryears old or if you're 40 and
have never killed male or femaleor whatever.
Um but doing it and doing it theold school way, that's how I
hunt.
I don't, you know, certain timesof year, yeah, put some corn
out, put some attracting out andget them in there, but to really

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hunt wildlife, uh moon phase,wind direction, knowing where
they're at, where the bucks areat, where rub lines and scrape
lines are, you know, the wholenine yards.
One sign more than just a youknow bait and attract ins.

SPEAKER_00 (05:28):
I think the older you get, you you go from easy
hunting to you a challenge hunt.

SPEAKER_02 (05:33):
Well, what's cool about it is it's it's a 1v1,
especially if you have gamecameras and you see a buck.

SPEAKER_00 (05:38):
I'm the same way.

SPEAKER_02 (05:38):
I want to hunt a deer instead of just like
sitting there waiting on a deer.
Yeah, if you have game camerasand you see a buck, like you get
a picture of a buck, you'relike, okay, that's my target
buck.
And then then the season begins.
That's your game planning.
You're figuring out where helives, where's his bed, where
does he feed, what's hisrotation?
When's he moving?
When's he not moving?
And that whole game, cat andmouse game, is what gets you
through the season.

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Then you look, then you look upand you realize, okay, season's
almost over.
Absolutely.
And it's like it flew by.
Yeah.
It flew by.

SPEAKER_03 (06:07):
I was a little late preparing this year, gone
through a divorce, and umtypically all summer, at least
every couple weeks, I'm I'm inthere doing something.
But where I'm hunting is almosturban.
Really?
So they're they're used topeople, they're used to cars,
they're used to the dogs outthere barking at them.
You know, I've got a privatelittle bitty area, and in that

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six, seven acres, last year,over 15 shooter bucks.
Wow.
Three or four 150 plus.
Dang, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 (06:40):
You know, there's certain places like that, little
gyms.
Right here in the middle of thelittle nuggets here and there.

SPEAKER_04 (06:45):
Most towns actually have them.
Most towns have a spot.

SPEAKER_02 (06:48):
It was not long ago.
Okay, there was a giant 150 plusthat was killed here in Fordyce
Urban.

SPEAKER_04 (06:55):
Yeah, they they kill them in El Dorado, Magnolia.
They almost every town's Camden.

SPEAKER_02 (06:59):
Camden this year.
Camden this year.
I've seen a few on Facebook.
It's crazy how they get likethat, you know.
Those urban bucks, a little bitless pressure.
You know, they just well, Iguess it's higher pressure, but
it's less pressure than that.
It's not higher huntingpressure.
Yeah, they're used to people.

SPEAKER_04 (07:13):
And talk about not hunting feed.
I I'm I don't think you're gonnakill a big buck on feed.
I don't think so either.
I don't think they're coming tofeed.
I think you're you might find abig buck.

SPEAKER_00 (07:21):
I think you get lucky every once in a while
early season.
I'll say I'll make thedifference.
And you know, in Bachelor'sgroup, you know, maybe though,
you know, you know, the thebigger bucks may follow a bunch
of other bucks in.
But uh I think as a as a youknow, a mature buck, of course,
I mean you've witnessed this.
We witnessed this.
A m a big mature buck uh seemsthey don't travel very far.

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They got a little home they stayin.
Um they usually bed close totheir water source and food or
whatever, but they don't travelmuch.
Those older those real bigbucks, they they just they lock
down and they just travel verylittle.
And um unless this is pure rut.
Rut, yeah.
You know, but rut to me is thehardest time to hunt.

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I hate to rut.
The imp they're unpredictable.
Absolutely.
I hate to rut.
You have a higher chance ofcatching like a because you sit
and wait on deer as a huntingdeer.
Yep.
When you it's like the easypipeline.
So well, but you're waiting fordeer.
Yeah.
So that would be your favoritetime to hunt.
Um, you know, it just depends onhow you hunt.
Like, I like going after thedeer instead of waiting on him.

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So uh it's like fishing, youknow, you know, when they're on
the beds, it's super easy, butwhen they start going back out
and they start changing theirroutines, um, it's hard to catch
them sons of bitches, you know.
It's hard to adapt to, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (08:42):
Sure.

SPEAKER_00 (08:43):
And it's frustrating, you know.
So it's it's like you know,hunting and fishing is almost
identical.

SPEAKER_02 (08:50):
But what I like about hunting more than I like
about fishing, as far as thatthat aspect goes, yeah, is a
deer's gonna eat.
Yeah.
A deer's gonna eat.
Sometimes in fish, there's like,I'm just gonna ain't gonna bite.
And the whole lake will be likethat, you know.

SPEAKER_03 (09:03):
Yeah, like I've got a pond right next to my house,
uh, lightly stocked, and you cango out there and and literally
watch your lure come to you, andthere'll be a three or
four-pound bass right there, andyou're you bring the lure right
in front of it and it doesn'tmove.
Yep.
It doesn't matter what you'rethrowing out there.

SPEAKER_02 (09:20):
There's times that they just don't want it.
You guys don't want it.

SPEAKER_00 (09:22):
Yeah, we see that on live scope all the time.

SPEAKER_02 (09:23):
Live scope's made it where you know you can see the
fish down there.
So like you know, like afterlike the after like the 20th
fish you've thrown on, you'relike, it's not a great biting
bag.

SPEAKER_00 (09:32):
Oh, it's amazing what Live Scope has done to
educate us in fishing.
Oh, it's amazing.
Also, if you think about it, Idon't know if you bass fish, you
bass fish?
Love it.
All right.
Well, it's amazing when youstart comparing bass fishing
with deer hunting, it's almostidentical.
It's like these fish are only incertain areas of the lake,
right?
And these deer are only incertain areas in the woods, and

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it's like it don't matter whatyou do, those deer are gonna go
to the same place every year.
Yep.
They got the same beds,different phases.
I mean you know, they have alittle comfort zone.
They they go and they stay inthose little spots, and it's
just it's amazing how everythingis kind of the same.

SPEAKER_02 (10:11):
And what what'll really blow your mind too is
when you start looking at liketopo maps.
So, you know, the contours inthe lake and the and the
contours like when you're deerhunting, it's a lot, it's very
similar.

SPEAKER_00 (10:22):
Yes, you find deer, you find fish.
Yeah, fat lines where it's fatlines, dude.
I I don't hunt anywhere on itunless they're not.
You know what?
When they're bedding up, Ihaven't really checked the fat
lines in the water.
I've looked at them.
I've looked at them.
You looked at the fat lines onthe uh under the water?

SPEAKER_02 (10:39):
Yeah, there's not like you know you know when
there's a ledge, right?
And then there might be rightbefore the bank, you know.
Like you got the bank coming uphere, but then there's like the
little flat area.
If like, you know, you'll find alot of fish bedding there, you
know, just especially if it'slike eight to twelve foot water.
We found a bunch of fish beddingdeeper than you know people say

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they do.

SPEAKER_00 (11:00):
Oh, they'd be bedding 12 foot of water.

SPEAKER_02 (11:01):
We'll see them in 12, you know, 14 foot of water
beds.

SPEAKER_03 (11:05):
That's crazy, isn't it?
I mean, that's crazy.
Difference between you guys andme.
I'm I like to fish the pond bankand it's you know 100 yards from
the house.

SPEAKER_00 (11:13):
It's absolutely crazy.
It's absolutely crazy toactually bed out there.
But but but let's talk moreabout what you do, though,
taxidermists.
Uh, how did you get into I meanI mean what made you I mean what
is your specialty in yourtaxidermist?
I mean, what makes you differentthan everybody else?
My attention to detail and myquality.

SPEAKER_03 (11:31):
Yeah.
I mean, hands down.
Whenever anybody can learn to dosomething, whether any trade or
whatever, you know, right, suchas taxidermy.
Um, it's an art form.
I'm I'm very artistic.
I've always drawn and paintedand everything.
And um, I met a gentleman, um Iwas 20 or so, and um he had for

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a couple years had had ataxidermy shop and he was a
painter uh as well, and so hewas working at a body shop full
time.
And uh met him and his wife, andhe was like, Hey man, um would
you like to learn taxidermy?
Sure.
Well man, be here Monday morningat eight o'clock.
I show up and he's not there,he's at his own job.

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I call him, I'm like, hey, howdo I even, you know, where are
you at?
How do I get in the the shop andeverything?
So he told me where the key wasat.
Go on in.
And he's like, you know, I'vegot a hide setting out for you.
Go ahead and flesh that I had noidea what I was doing.
Yeah.
You know, called him two orthree times a day and um He was
teaching.
Taught myself.
Yeah.
I mean, truthfully.

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Well, it gave you theopportunity to learn.
I've got my very first buck Iever mounted, and it was one of
my own.
Uh I did not want to mount acustomer's, obviously.
Never, never fully round.
Right, right, right.
I still have that deer, andeverybody's like, man, that's a
that's not a bad, not a badlittle rack, you know.
Why don't you remount that?
I said, No way.
Your first one, special.
It's the ugliest thing you'veever seen in your life.

unknown (12:57):
Bad.

SPEAKER_03 (12:58):
Yeah.
Compared to what I put out now.
Right.
Oh, yeah.
And I'm all I'm constantlyimproving, obviously.
You've learned over here.
You do in your work as well.
Yeah.
Uh so and you're also, I mean,you aren't cheap.
Not at all.
Good.
But you pay for what you get.
That's exactly right.
If you want you want cheaptoilet paper, go get you cheap
toilet paper.
That's right.
You can spend a little bit.

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You can get it.
You're gonna bust one throughit.
Yeah, some some that you know,John Wayne toilet paper.
You spend a little bit more,it's it's nice, it's
comfortable, and you don't havea problem with it.
And same with this.
I've got a few localtaxidermists around me that are
they're good guys and and putout good work, but over the past
couple years, I've probably oneparticular, no names mentioned,

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but I've corrected 30 mounts.
People have paid for, picked up,get them home, and they're like,
something's not right.
Right.
Bring it, you know, call me orand I'll say, hey, send me some
pictures of it.
So do you do a lot of like uhnot necessarily like like repair
work?
Like well, they've been mounted,and you just I do all right.
Um you get special jobs likethat.
I have about a dozen right nowthat's repair work that have all

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been mounted in the past twoyears.
Really?
By some type of localtaxidermist.
And you know, and I I go andlook at their work and that, and
I'm like, well, that does notlook like what I have here.

SPEAKER_00 (14:15):
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (14:16):
You have different you have different methods and
um so I'm sensing from you justwhat you're saying is you just
want to make the highestquality, best, you know, just
quality that you can.
I call it competition work.
Right.
Competition you want to showeach piece.

SPEAKER_03 (14:32):
Yeah, there's competitions, they have a state
competition.
Um other states even have likeregional competitions, and then
you work your way to state.
They have uh nationalcompetitions and even worlds.
So um, like that deer that's onthe screen up there right now,
uh that's like an average.
Um people look at it, somethingtaxidermied, especially a white

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tail, which is my specialty.

SPEAKER_01 (14:58):
That's a stud.

SPEAKER_03 (14:59):
I appreciate that.
That's a personal that's apersonal.
I can't even look at the dealer.
So I just gotta ask, what'sstate?
What's Arkansas?
Arkansval deer.
Oh wow, that's so um prettygood.
That uh pretty good.
That's a 184.
That one scores 184.

SPEAKER_00 (15:16):
Shelly, you would shit your pants and fall out the
stand if you've seen thatwalking through the woods.
That is about as basic as I get.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (15:23):
I mean, it looks good.
The eyes look good.
The color looks good.
That's what's standing out tome.
Is like, and I know you you Iknow you had mentioned it
earlier, you know, color.
You know, you're talking abouttaking like uh a uh white horn,
a real white antler, making itjust pop.

SPEAKER_03 (15:38):
Those horns actually I have modified.
They had color added to them.
It was really a light yellow,like okay, when you go buy a
tube before from the lumberyard.
Right.
I got you.
That color, cardboard box color,real light.
It just I didn't like it.
It was my personal, so I coulddo what I wanted to with it.

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Right.
You know, I mean, I could cutthem all off if I wanted to.

SPEAKER_02 (16:01):
The color to me, that that's one thing that
stands out on that buck rightthere.
It just looks beautiful, is likethe actual antler color.

SPEAKER_00 (16:08):
I mean, some bucks look good with white, white, and
mixed.
You know, some you see somethat's dark at the base.
Yeah, then at the higher theyget, they turn into white tips,
you know.
That's a pretty good, that's apretty good looking buck.

SPEAKER_02 (16:21):
Are you seeing people getting more and more uh
pedestal mounts?

SPEAKER_03 (16:23):
Like that, you know, white tips, you know.
Love, love pedestal mounts.
Um, good friend of mine shot auh a nice velvet buck.
That's awesome.
Back when Arkansas had their umround of labor day.
Right.
And uh takes me into his cabin.
Hey man, this is where I want toput it.
I love being able to see that.
I'll have I'll have customers,you know, hey, send me a picture
of the room you're wanting toput it in.

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I'm gonna help you pick out thisyear's post.

SPEAKER_00 (16:48):
That's some really good stuff, man.
That's awesome.
Like I get confused.
Like I got taxed generalistsnow, and I'm being like, people
like, which way it wants tolook?
Do you want to look down?
So I don't know what would lookgood.
What's you know, like and I tryto think about it, you know,
that's awesome when I'm pickingthem outs, but it's I love to I
love to be able to call somebodybecause I'm not you know, my
expertise is like that.

SPEAKER_02 (17:08):
That's a good example right there the white
tips you're talking about.
Yeah, yeah.
Yes, yes, you know it's a greatexample.

SPEAKER_00 (17:13):
You know, for people that's listening, I'm sure they
had the same uh issues, butlike, you know, I build boats
for a living.
We all build boats for a living.
We are professionals when itcomes to building boats, but
when it comes to picking outsomething like this, or you
know, it's tougher.
It's nice to be able to callsomebody and get input and just
tell you straight up that no,this will look good in your

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house.

SPEAKER_02 (17:34):
See, what you did right there with that that
pedestal mount.
So what I had envisioned waswell when I killed my first elk,
I was gonna get him pedestalmounted, right?
At first.
And I wanted to get the back ofit like a old school map, like
an old school map, and have likean X where I killed him at.
Because it was a really crazyplace.

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It was Hell's Mesa, and it wasrough terrain.
It was a good memory, it was agreat hunt.
And I wanted like an old schoolmap on the back of it with like
an X through, you know, like thepin where I where I killed him.
And I thought that would be thecoolest thing ever.
I ended up not going with it.
That's a fantastic idea.

SPEAKER_03 (18:10):
Fantastic idea.
This guy here is up from aroundthe Rogers area by Fayetteville.
Yeah.
He um he killed that deer upnorth, I think it was northern
Kansas.
Um, and he's like, Man, I want apedestal mount.
That's a great bug too, man.
You know, I'm sitting here like,okay, I uh I can I can make that
happen.
I love putting them on whiskeybarrels.

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I I there's just something aboutme and whiskey.

SPEAKER_05 (18:35):
And he's like, man, I uh you drink whiskey?

SPEAKER_03 (18:39):
Fish swim in water.
Yeah.
So uh no, um okay, yeah.
And so his his wife is um she'sa doctor, and she's like, if
we're gonna put this in thehouse, it's gotta be feminine, I
guess.
Gotta fit.
Yeah, it's good, you know.
So she wanted a nice base that'sactually a marble top.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (19:00):
That's a great uh what do you call it?

SPEAKER_03 (19:02):
That base alone's about a thousand bucks just for
that base because of the marblethat's on it and it's high
polished and what a compromise,you know.
Yeah, what a compromise.
Let's put a deer in the house,let's put we want, we want
marble, a base.
And so he's like, Man, I want apedestal mount.
This is this is what we'redoing.
Yeah.
Perfect decision, man.
What do you want on the back ofit?
Because that's a show prettysmall.

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And he's throwing out all thisdifferent stuff, all the I mean,
ideas and everything.
And he sent me three or fourpictures.
I wish I was the type most ofthe time I've hunt alone.
Okay.
And so I haven't been able totake very many pictures of my
personal kills unless they'realready finished and they're on
the wall.
Right.
Um, but he was hunting with somefriends and they shot that

(19:46):
picture.
He sends me that picture, youknow, and uh I said, Man, I I
will figure out something on theback.
I promise you you're gonna loveit.
Well, I got a hold of a companyon Etsy, and uh that's actually
leather, laser and grape.

SPEAKER_00 (20:02):
That's what I was thinking.
So that's it.
I mean, that's that's awesomethat you even took the time to
help this guy out because mostpeople a lot of people don't
even give a shit, man.
Like they take your money, theywant to get you out the door.
Right.
You know, so I think it's even Ithink it's cool that you even
care enough to even findsomething for this guy.

(20:22):
I mean, you just don't get thatkind of service anymore, you
know.
So you just take the time to doit.
You have to be passionate.
It's so much bullshit, it pissesme off.
You know, you go out, you paysomebody to help you as a
service, and they don't givethey don't care.
They just want your money, youknow.
And they kick you out the door,they don't try to help you.
I mean, I think that's awesomethat you that you're willing to

(20:43):
do that for somebody that youdon't know.
It's a beautiful thing.
It's not just about money foryou, it's about your work.
That's I think that's special.
Bringing a 45-year-old man totears.
Yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 (20:53):
I mean uh that's a buck of a lifetime for you.
Absolutely.
It's the biggest thing he's evergot.
It'll be passed down through hisfamily, you know, and like the
so in the same note, your workis being passed down.
Yeah.
I mean, you're buildingsomething that people are gonna
pass down.

SPEAKER_00 (21:05):
So you don't take it lightly.
We're the same way when it comesto customer service and and and
an experience for somebodythat's buying a boat.
You know, we want them to get inour boat and be like, man, it's
the best boat ever.
I can call, I can call themanytime I need help.
So I mean, I think that's that II think your concept of what you
go in is is pretty neat.
I think it's good stuff.

(21:26):
Yes, sir.
Thank you.
That is sick.

SPEAKER_03 (21:27):
Like I said, that's that's a whiskey barrel
pedestal, double pedestal, umcompetition work.

SPEAKER_02 (21:34):
You know, that's all that's so just as a just as an
example if you had two if I hadtwo bucks, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (21:43):
Chocolate's like, is that for sale?

SPEAKER_02 (21:46):
So if you were to put a price on that to make up
somebody a piece like that, theyhad the two bucks and they're
like, hey, I want to mount it ona on a barrel, you know, with
some corn, whatever, what wouldthat cost them, roughly?
You don't have to be an exactnumber, just ideally.

SPEAKER_03 (22:04):
Probably about 3,500.
Yeah.
See, to me, you're getting a oneof a kind of thing.

SPEAKER_02 (22:10):
To me, you're getting a nice piece right
there.

SPEAKER_03 (22:12):
And here's the deal with those with those two, those
are not permanent.
You can rotate those out.
You can rotate and move both ofthose mounts however you want,
and you can remove them foreasy.
Okay, say you wanted to move itto another room or even just
take it home with you.
That's not all one piece.
Yeah, because that will be hardtransport.
Yes.
And so to make it to wheresomebody can actually say, Hey,

(22:35):
uh, we're gonna we're gonnaclose in the garage, make it a
game room, and I'm gonna movethis from the living room into
there.
Well, getting it through thehouse, you could do it by
yourself, you know.
That's cool.
Your wife could do it for youwhile you, you know, if she
wanted to, or if it's her deer,you know.
Um take the left one off, andthen you take the right one off,
and then you've got your barrel.

(22:56):
And the barrel's not as heavy asyou think it is.
That's the heaviest piece onit's the barrel, which helps it
with balance.
Yeah.
It's gotta have a good and withjust you know, a little bit of
time, you could even find somecasters and put it on casters if
you want to be able to roll itaround somewhere, you know.
But to me, 3500 is a good price.

SPEAKER_00 (23:11):
That is good.

SPEAKER_03 (23:12):
Well, that's both deer.

SPEAKER_02 (23:13):
I would have the display and the barrel.
Um I was honestly expecting I Iwas actually expecting a little
bit higher than that, to behonest with you, especially
being two deer.
Well, we don't know what we'relooking at.
That's all feel a lot of workright there.
Yeah, but for us, it's suchquality that we we associate
high price for it.

SPEAKER_00 (23:29):
But we also know we also know he's higher than most.
Yeah, but I don't know, man.
That's a really nice mount.
Oh, I mean, it's a super nicemount, for sure.
I mean, we we need to kill somedeer like that.
Okay, for sure.
Let's do it.

SPEAKER_02 (23:42):
When you find when you find when you find some
gems.

SPEAKER_00 (23:44):
Like uh the pack mounts, I love them.
I like I like that too.
Can we can we do something likethat with some uh some uh elk?
Absolutely.
So uh we have three elves.

SPEAKER_03 (23:54):
I don't know why you couldn't pack mount anything.

SPEAKER_00 (23:56):
You could pack mount a fox if you wanted to.
I don't I mean, I don't know.
It's uh well we got three elk weneed mounted, something like
that, huh?
Yeah, I I happen to know a guy.

SPEAKER_02 (24:04):
Yeah, they're they're school mounted.
Well not they're they're schoolcapped right now.

SPEAKER_00 (24:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (24:08):
Okay.
That would be an issue for forthat style amount.

SPEAKER_00 (24:11):
Yeah, we got the capes and everything.
We just need a and then okay, soyou say if you didn't have the
cape.

SPEAKER_03 (24:17):
It's all right.

SPEAKER_02 (24:18):
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
Um where do you how do you buycapes?
Like, walk me through thatbecause you hear I've heard
several taxidermists talk about,yeah, I can find you a cape.
I can find you a cape.
How at being a taxidermist, howdo you go about that?

SPEAKER_03 (24:31):
Where do you look and like how do you first thing
I do is I find out where thatanimal is harvested?
Because you don't want to buy anorthern cape, for example, like
an Illinois cape or a long hairor something.
Yeah, and throw it on anArkansas rack.
That's right.
Or a Texas rack.
Right.
And you don't want to put aTexas hide on an Arkansas deer.

(24:53):
Right.
You know, unless it's like anort northeast Texas different.
Absolutely different.
So find that find the geologicalaspect of it first.
Right.
Unless the customer has apreference.
I mean, the customer may wantit, you know, if they're gonna
pay for a cape, yeah, they mightwant to get them what they're
willing to pay for.
Yes.
That's right.
Um and then so you go down theline.
Uh a lot of c uh tax dermistswill start talking to other

(25:16):
local tax dermists, you know,calling somebody up, you know,
whether they know them or not,and say, hey man, I'm needing a
cape.
And that's fine.
Yeah, you know, support localbusiness.
I'm all for it.
Right, right, right.
100%.
But I don't.
I have somebody that I can call.
He's in Kentucky, and Scott canget me anything I want.
He's not only does he have a anice tax derby shop there, but

(25:38):
he's also a tannery.
And I used to send off to 10.
Uh gotcha.
There was a place in OklahomaI'd send my hides to.
And um, of course, I tag eachone of them.
They're sent off, and you know,you're sending 10 to 20 at a
time.
They send me a customer's bag,and I'm like, this isn't the
cape I sent you.

(25:58):
So where's it at?
That's that's that's hard toswallow whenever.
Now don't get me wrong, it'sstill a cape, and I made it
work, but I had to call thecustomer and say, hey, look, so
I I tan all my own stuff now.
Everything I do, I flesh byhand.
Um you can you can have afleshing machine, a fleshing
wheel.
It's a big long circular blade.

(26:19):
It's kind of shaped.
And when you say fleshing it,you're getting all the membrane,
all the meat, the muscle, uh uh,I mean, everything off the hide.
You're making it down to justhide.
And honestly, the thinner youcan get that hide, easier it is
to mount.
The easier it is to stretch.
Yeah, stretch.
That makes sense.
Less stuff holding it.
Say you have an 18-inch neck andthat's at the smallest
circumference, so just rightbehind the jaw, right?

(26:40):
Right around the deer.
Um, if you flesh it correctly,you can probably end up getting
a 19 out of it.
Right.
You know, to make that neck alittle bigger.
Everybody wants that big swolledup neck, you know, that rut
neck.
Yeah.
Um, so if you've got one that'seven bigger, I mean, you can
manipulate it.
And then whenever I order aform, like so say it it's a
22-inch neck.
I'm not ordering a 22-inch form.

(27:01):
I'll order a 21.
And then I go in and Ipersonally build up all the so
you mold it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Unless the customer doesn't wantthe the look of that big swole
neck and you know.
How do you build it up?
Use clay or something.
I use clay.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Um two-part epoxy is amazing.
I got you.
But two-part epoxy.

SPEAKER_00 (27:22):
So you go in there putting muscle mass in there to
cut, you know, make them lookbig and everything.
Can you do that to my belly?
I need I need some six packs,you know.

SPEAKER_02 (27:30):
Dude, hey, whoa, you need to go down with that.
Make me a suit.
Yeah.
Make you a suit.
You'd have a muscle suit.

SPEAKER_00 (27:35):
I think a silicone suit would work better.
No kidding, no kidding.
But yeah, that's pretty cool ifyou actually go in there and you
actually build the muscle massor the group, muscle groups, you
know.

SPEAKER_02 (27:44):
So I guess like other taxidermists that are just
trying to run just volumethrough versus necessarily
focusing on quality, they'rejust getting it for a lip
getting that mold.

SPEAKER_03 (27:52):
You know, they're as many as they can get in, if they
can bring in a hundred plus deera year.

SPEAKER_00 (27:58):
So the only thing you do as taxidermists, do you
do anything else?
I do this part-time.
Oh, I got you.
So this is why you're acompetition thing for you.

SPEAKER_03 (28:07):
If I if I did this full-time, I could still do it
at the at what I'm doing.
Nothing would change.
But with my current full-timejob, I have health insurance
benefits.
You know, I work for a companythat's that's union, so I have
pension and annuity andeverything else.
You're my kind of guy then.
Uh that's cool.
The the other aspect of workingfor myself, the amount of money

(28:30):
that would cost me for myinsurance.
800 800, a little over 800 amonth to buy my own personal
insurance.
Well, it gets expensive.
You know, and then to say, okay,I need to put back a couple
thousand a month for retirement,or I'm gonna work till the day I
die.

SPEAKER_02 (28:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (28:47):
You know.

SPEAKER_02 (28:48):
It and I think that's what makes it special.
That's what makes it specialabout you, though, is you the
reason you got the passion yougot for is probably because it's
not your I was trying to figureout a way you make I was
figuring out a way how he madehis living.
Yeah, I was thinking about ittoo.
It's like, but the way you'redoing it, since you have a
full-time job, you're able tostay passionate about it and
work on quality and just awesomepieces and not get burnt out on

(29:13):
it to the extent that you wouldjust start cutting corners.
Not saying you would cutcorners, but a lot of times if
you're trying to get the numbersout to pay the bills, you're
like, okay, we gotta get thesethings out.

SPEAKER_00 (29:22):
In today's time, it's hard to find an employee
that puts that much quality intosomething, then you gotta pay
them.
Then you gotta do enough of itto make a living.
So it gets tough.

SPEAKER_03 (29:32):
And the and you know, the other thing, um doing
it full time, okay.
Before I put my hands on it, putmy time into somebody's amount,
I require a half down deposit.
If I can if you want to pay mefull up front, please.
Yeah, just make it a lot of it.

(29:53):
But that doesn't give me onepenny to my pocket that buys
materials.
Right.
You know?
Right.
So say I was doing a job fulltime and uh, you know, I've
taken in 100, 150, 200 deer ayear.
Uh you've got to get to work.
Yeah.

(30:13):
That's why taxidermists, a lotof them are two, some of them
maybe even three years outbefore you get your amount back.

SPEAKER_00 (30:20):
Yeah, because they're using all those deposits
to pay the bills.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (30:24):
And then they and then and then they look up and
they're like, you know, I've gotto make an order, several
thousands of dollars worth oforder to get all these forms and
eyes and paints and thematerials in.
And you're like, okay, so I'vegot to go finish a couple so
somebody can come and pick itup, and hopefully they do.
You know, you want your mountback fast, but you don't know

(30:46):
their personal situation.
They may have the money, theymay not.
Yeah, because to pick it up.
Okay, if you call them, hey,I'll have your deer next week,
you know.
Billy over here is like, yeah,man, I'll be there.
You you you call me, I'll bethere, come pick it up, blah,
blah.
And you call Chad over here, andChad's like, Man, uh I'm not
good right now.
I'm not good right now.
Maybe in a month I'll be able tocome pick it up.

(31:07):
Right.
Which is like, can I send you ahundred bucks now?
You know, and things.
And so you you can look at thatand say, it's a great business
to be into.
You're working for yourself.
Hopefully you're doing what youlove.
Um but it has its it has itsfaults too.
Yeah, it does.
It does.
And so um the last probably 80%of what I've taken in over the

(31:34):
past year, people have paid upfront.

SPEAKER_00 (31:36):
Yeah.
I mean and I I love that.
I think you've got passionaround that.
And that's that's what it makesit easier.
When you when you work onquality and you work on uh
price, uh usually when you getout of the um, you know, the
quality and the price of yourproduct, people some people

(31:56):
realize what that is and they'recomfortable painting up front.
Because it's more like respect.
Of course.
Right.
Of course.
So uh, you know, uh, we see thatin certain models.
So you have your cheaper models,you have your more expensive
models.
The more expensive models thecustomers are more
understandable why paint rubsoff what is the you know, what

(32:17):
causes their mindset'sdifferent.
So you could take a so you couldtake a DBST, uh, which was one
of our uh models.
You take a one of our expensivemodels, when something breaks or
something wears off, they knowwhat positive they're okay what
happened because uh they they'rejust a different it's just a

(32:38):
different mindset.
Yeah, it's a different mindset.
So you take the uh the theinexpensive model, the cheapest
model, and one little thing goeswrong, it's the end of the
world.
Yeah.
It's just like there's twodifferent kinds of people.
And you you got those people,then you got these people, and
they think different.
So it's for me, if I was goingto a taxidermist that works just

(33:00):
off of quality, and you'reyou're you're uh you're you said
this is my price, I'm thousanddollars higher, but why aren't
you a thousand dollars higher?
You know, I would feelcomfortable giving you that
money up front.
So it's a different kind ofperson.
Um it it's it's it's weird howit works like that.
But it's it's weird.

SPEAKER_03 (33:19):
The the other thing, uh if something happens, I back
my work up.
Yeah.
Okay.
As long as I'm alive, willing,and able three years down the
road, ten years down the road,if if a mount's done correctly,
it'll last a lifetime.
That's right.
I mean, if if especially if it'scleaned and taken care of
properly.
Right, right.
Um and the cleaning process isum a dry rag, wipe it down, wipe

(33:42):
it down, or if you got an air,you know, or even like the
little compressed airs for likekeyboards and stuff.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dust offs.
Yeah.
Easiest way to clean them anymount.
I don't care if it's a bird or afish or anything, light uh a
light dusting.
Yeah.
Keep the dust off of it.
Yeah.
Um but if you'll um if you got aproblem, if you'll come back to

(34:03):
me, call me, just like anythingelse, don't bash me, don't get
on social media or anything likethat.
Call, pick up the phone or showup and say, hey, look, this is
happening now.
Yeah, I've never had it happen,but we're human, it could.
Yeah, you know.
I'll I'll fix it.
Yeah, we're gonna be.
I'm not gonna charge you a dime.
Yeah.
You know, I don't care if I haveto remount the whole thing.

(34:23):
Yep, you're exactly right.
Yeah, because I don't care if Ihave to remount it five times.
Because you put your name on it,you know, it's darn nerds.

SPEAKER_02 (34:29):
You put your name on it and you back it up.

SPEAKER_00 (34:31):
And it's hard, it's hard to get that kind of
business mentality nowadays.
It's just so hard.
Like everybody's about volume,everybody's about price,
whatever, and um, you know, youthe person gets upset because
somebody's not gonna fixsomething, but that they only
made$100 on the job.
You might have made six, seven,eight hundred dollars on a job.

(34:52):
So you know that.
So it's your obligation to makesure that customers are 100%
happy.
Yep.
And that's the differencebetween that's the difference
between a a business builtaround service or a business
built around profit.
Correct.
And service is a a service willgive you profit because it's

(35:16):
repeat customers.
And service lasts a lifetime.
Repeat customers are the onesthat gives you the most respect
and that will always purchaseyour product, no matter what.
And companies that base theirbusiness off of um just new
customers all the time, theyhave the hardest ones to
survive.

(35:36):
It's terrible.
You want to build a reputationand repeat customers, and that's
that's that's what it's allabout.
And that's clearly, I mean,that's obviously what you're
doing.
Yeah, it's definitely the angleyou're doing.
Yeah, you have like you havethese customers that like, hey,
call you on the phone and say, Igot these these deer I'm gonna
bring it to you.
He never calls anybody else.

(35:56):
For one, you answer the phone,and for two, you took care of
them every time he needs you.
Yeah.
You know, you know he's gonnafix it.
I mean, it's a perfect I loveit.
I mean, it's absolutely the wayyou're supposed to run the
business, and you know, thequality and and the quality, I
mean, eventually you'll figureout how to find the perfect
person to to do that believes inwhat you believe in that will

(36:20):
help speed up the process andyou know make more money in the
future.

SPEAKER_03 (36:23):
I would love to do that.

SPEAKER_00 (36:24):
I'd love to have somebody there.
Yeah, you know, definitely it'sdefinitely something doable, you
know.
Um, you know, put your customersfirst and let the money come in
eventually.
It's it's the way it's supposedto be.
It's good stuff, it's how it'ssupposed to be done.
I think the whole world hasgotten backwards.
I think social media has ruinedpeople's way of thinking.
I think uh it's all about uhwhat I can screw out of this

(36:45):
person and just make it one, youknow, just make it every day.
And I I just think it'scompletely freaking wrong.
I mean, I think it's it's abullshit.
And uh I think if people wouldactually I think business owners
would put people first andbelieve in in what they you know
doing, I think it'd be a justbetter world.
It would.
It would be a better world.
It would in any aspect of it.
Oh, yeah, you know, through andthrough.

(37:07):
I mean I see I've seen some badstuff out there, and I'm just
like, oh my God, you know.

SPEAKER_03 (37:11):
Yeah.
I have a deer at the house rightnow that uh a customer brought
me, and uh the guy that mountedit lives 20 minutes from me.
Don't know him personally.
Um so uh I I pick it up and I'mgoing to re remount it for him.
Yeah.
And then and what that entitlesis um cutting the hide off the

(37:34):
form and removing the horns.
The form I'm going to use isn'tthat form.
It wasn't even mounted on thecorrect form.
So after I did that, I realizedthis is a doe form.
This isn't even, this isn'teven, he had notched it out
himself.
A doe form doesn't come notchedon the top for the antlers to
sit.

SPEAKER_00 (37:52):
Let me ask you something.
When you when you get in asituation like that, do you tell
the customer what's wrong withthe mount, or do you just say
I'll fix the mount?

SPEAKER_03 (38:01):
No, I he got every every detail.
I sent him dozens of pictures.
Uh the ears weren't even splitout all the way.
Yeah.
So like the end of the ear wasjust, you know, you could bend
it like this, just floppy.
You can use an ear liner, fillit with bondo, any of that.
I don't use an ear liner.
Um, not unless I'm doingsomething high competition.
Uh I fill them with Bondo andthen get them as thin as I can,

(38:22):
you know, because the cartilageon a deer's ear or even yours is
thin, you know, so you don'twant it super thick.
Um but no, and so as I'm takingit apart off of the the form,
I'm finding pins that he hadpushed into the the the form to
hold the hold it in place andleft them there.

(38:45):
Yeah.
Painted over them.
Some of the some of the It wasjust an inexperienced
taxidermist.
He's been doing it 15 years.
Yeah.
But it was probably one of them.

SPEAKER_00 (38:56):
He just I don't know the situation.
It's it's deposit after depositliving off the deposit.
It could be training.

SPEAKER_02 (39:09):
I mean, it has to be training somebody, and you know,
that could be the you know ithas to be frustrating to live
off of deposits.

SPEAKER_03 (39:16):
So unfortunately, that customer is paying twice.
Right.
He paid for it the first time bysomebody else, almost double
what he paid.
He's paying me to completelyredo it.
And I told him, I said, it'sgonna be$200 more than my normal
price because I have to buy youa hide.
I can't reuse this hide.

(39:37):
And uh of course he's okay withit.
Hey, whatever it works, thisway.
Because he wants he's he's tiredof he's tired of not getting it
taken care of.

SPEAKER_00 (39:43):
But do you have the reputation right now of people
know that that you fix mountsthat you that you do company
short?
It is.
I mean, you don't have tocompletely sell yourself every
time, do you?
Not usually.
Okay.
No, because I see I see in thefuture selling yourself all the
time is really hurtful.

SPEAKER_03 (40:00):
It can be as a business.

SPEAKER_00 (40:01):
You can be.

SPEAKER_03 (40:01):
And if you downgrade another, say another
taxidermist, you just shotyourself in the foot.

SPEAKER_00 (40:08):
See, I don't have to, I don't have to sell it.
Yeah, I don't have to sellmyself, right?
And a lot of people, a lot ofpeople say that if you sell
yourself, it just makes yousound arrogant and cocky.
It does.
And you lose, uh you lose, itactually goes backwards, you
know.
So you want to be careful aboutthat for sure.
But uh the you know, you shouldbe building a good reputation,

(40:32):
you know, just based off of yourquality and your work ethics.

SPEAKER_03 (40:35):
I just started a Facebook page for Wildlife
Recreations Taxidermy Studio umabout a month ago.
Right.
Um, I was afraid if I put it outthere too much, yeah, that uh me
doing my part-time would go tofull time real quick.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I'm fine with that.
It's it's I'm I'm I'm a singleman, you know.

(40:57):
I've got I've got a little boy,but I mean I can go to I can go
to work and come home, and thenon the weekends, I mean, I can
get a lot done.
Right.
I can get a lot done.
And it's something I love.
I mean, I said I would do thisfull time, but I don't want to
give up benefits in retirement.
It may come to that.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (41:13):
I mean, it may, it could be it could very easily.
Oh, you get enough uh repeatcustomers.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
I mean, you uh, you know, wekill probably 10 or 15 uh
malable animals among ourpeople, you know, and it's like,
you know, it's just finding agood person to get that business
is awesome, you know, and itit's it's really good.
But I think the most importantdeal is is keep doing good

(41:35):
quality work, you know, don'tsell yourself as much, you know.
Um because the way I am, I trynot to sell myself because
people don't want to be remindedof their bad decisions.
You know, I golly, who wants tobe who wants their face rubbed
in crap, you know?
So it's like uh but it it's it'sreally it's it's just really

(41:58):
cool to meet you and talk to youbecause you know, quality work
is hard to find nowadays.
It is.
That that stands behind it,yeah.
You know, that's the thing.

SPEAKER_02 (42:07):
Yeah, you know, and that's and I I do believe a lot
of that is because you'repassionate about it, and I think
what makes it special is you'renot doing it full time.
So you're every every projectyou get, everything, you know,
it's it's that project.
You're not worried about thepayroll that you gotta feel,
you're not worried about keepingthe lights on with that.

(42:27):
You're just basically just goingcrazy with it, doing as high
quality as you can.

SPEAKER_03 (42:32):
What I love to do, I do this with every client.
You don't drop your animal offto me, and then you know, two or
three months, six months later,sometimes maybe even eight, get
it back from me.
You're gonna see every step, perstep that I take on your animal

(42:55):
before you get it back.
Yeah.
And if you don't want that,that's fine.
I'll still do that.
And then once you get it, heyman, I'm fixing it.
I'm gonna blow your phone up,you're fixing to get like 40 or
50 pictures.
Right.
That's good though.
That is good.

SPEAKER_02 (43:06):
And you're used to every single step.
And that's for me.
Have you ever has anybody evercaught something that maybe they
didn't like?
And they're like, like whyyou're sending them step by
step, they ever say, Whoa, whyis his ears like that?

SPEAKER_03 (43:18):
Are they gonna be like why is that deer's ear
split three times?
Well, it's typically from a barbar fence or something, you
know?
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (43:24):
Have they ever caught anything and had you
change it that they might wouldhave not been happy with in the
final, you know, product?

SPEAKER_03 (43:32):
My boss on my full-time job got a he he's got
a farm up in Missouri, goes upthere and hunts, and um so he,
you know, capes it all out,brings it to me, and he's like,
hey, uh, d do this for me.
You know, this is this issentimental to me.
It's a don't come to work, getthis done.
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (43:51):
Yeah, it's one of those little things.
That's what the bosses that'swhat the bosses say.
Y'all hey, don't worry aboutcoming in, you just get that
mount done.
Could you get this done about aweek, please?

SPEAKER_03 (43:59):
Right.
He uh special attention.
He gets a he gets a text messagefrom me, and the the deer's chin
has got a cut on it about thislong.
And uh he's like, What'd you doto it?
Why'd you go?
And I said, I guess it's fromdragging it, something.
He had no idea it was eventhere.
Yeah.
And I said, But when I get donewith it, you'll never see it.

(44:21):
You will never see it.
But I'm telling you this now.
Just in case you do see it.
Yeah, you know, just in case youdo see it.
Yeah.
But you know, there's and um Iseen a I seen a post the other
day.
Um, this guy shot a pretty nicebuck.
Uh I wish I'd have been able tobe the one to get a hold of it.
Um so it was gonna be a Europeanmount, which is just the skull

(44:44):
and the horns.
Yep.
And uh the taxidermist caped itout, and the deer had a third
eye underneath the skin in themiddle of its muzzle.
So, like down here in its reallya third eye.
Oh wow.
I mean, so like it had the eyesocket and the bone, the eye and
everything, but it wasunderneath the skin.
So as he pulls the skin down,that freaked me out.

(45:04):
What?
That's crazy.
I'll I'll pull it up and send itto you.
I'll pull it up and send it toyou.
That's nuts.
Yeah.
I for I don't know if it waseven in Arkansas or if it was
another state, but it was it washarvested here the past couple
weeks.
Um and so there were he wouldhad game and fish look at it and
everybody was trying to figureout.
I've seen animals and stuff, theextra legs and stuff, you know.

(45:26):
Yeah.
But never an eye.
Or some type of pie ball orsomething, you know, something
like some kind of irregularity,you know, but three balls or
something like that.

SPEAKER_02 (45:33):
See, that's one of those situations where since it
was under the hide, a Europeanmount is the coolest thing you
can do for that deer.
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 (45:41):
Without a doubt.
Because if he'd have done anormal mount, nobody would ever
known, probably.
Or you know, a shoulder mount,you'd never see that.
But as a European mount, and itwas a as a price thing as far as
far as most people that want todo a European mount.
And he just it's it's a pricething.

SPEAKER_02 (45:55):
You know, you're you're like, well, for me,
European mounts, it ain'tnecessarily a price thing.
It's like this was a good buck.
All right.
It ain't all that good.
I don't think he's I don't thinkhe's good enough to put on the
wall necessarily like fullshoulder mount, but he's he's a
good buck.

SPEAKER_03 (46:09):
But you don't want him on the side of the barn.
Yeah, you know, on a cloth.

SPEAKER_00 (46:12):
I like European mount because it's less it's a
smaller head.
But you know, and it makes myhorns look bigger.

SPEAKER_03 (46:17):
Yeah, it makes uh adds a few inches, you know.
Well, here's something cool withthe European mounts, too, that I
like.
It don't have to be just askull.
You can you can hydro dip thatskull, you can paint it.
Um I I started following uh abeautiful young lady that does
this on Facebook, and she'svery, very talented.

(46:40):
Um, I don't know which stateshe's in, but she does of of all
different types of skulls, butshe puts one by one
individually, puts beads onthem.
I've seen them.
I know what you're talkingabout, but dazzles them.
Yes.
Yeah.
And believe it or not, like I'mold school, you know, I want it
to look like a deer.
Yeah.
And these do not.

(47:00):
I mean, it's the skull and thehorns or even an elk.

SPEAKER_00 (47:03):
Don't tell me it's growing on you.

SPEAKER_03 (47:04):
It is.
Oh God.
Like I I'm not gonna do it.
I would recommend somebody, youknow, contact her.
Absolutely.
Yeah, I'll give her the credit.
She's amazing at what she'sdoing.
I've I mean, I've looked atseveral things.
I follow her on her Facebookpage, she's got tons of
followers, and that's as far asI know, that's all she does.
But what she's putting out thereis different, and people like
that.
Yeah, you know, becauseeverybody thinks she's good at
it.

(47:24):
And I can okay, for example, anormal taxidermist that's just
putting out mounts, six to eighthours is about the time they
have in a in a mount.
I would guess six to eight hoursof hands-on time.
That's not counting dryingstages and this and that.
I've got about 18 hands-on hoursper just whitetail.

(47:46):
Um, there's no telling how manyhours she has in doing one of
those Europeans.
Yeah.
If you if you since you knowwhat I'm talking about, look on
her.
Have you ever priced one?
See where she's at on prices?

unknown (47:57):
I'm scared too.

SPEAKER_03 (47:58):
I know I'm definitely scared.
There's no telling.
I know what I charge.
Yeah and but you know, itdoesn't, you know, you're
getting quality.
Yeah.
Um, she's got some quality withwhat she does because it's
different too.
Um, I'm assuming it's probablypretty pricey.
Yeah, I bet.
You know, I bet um it looks likeit would be.
If it was like if I had asignificant other and they
wanted something like that, Iwouldn't wouldn't be scared at

(48:20):
all to spend the price on it,though.

SPEAKER_00 (48:22):
Well you you buy anything from your wife and your
your kids, you know.
Without a doubt.
Nothing, nothing is uh out ofreach for that.
No.

SPEAKER_02 (48:29):
So what's your what's your favorite mount
style?

SPEAKER_03 (48:32):
Like what like what style do you like the best?
I I I don't do birds and I don'tdo fish anymore.
I like something with a hide.
Right.
Um I specialize in whitetails,but I mean I've done I helped do
at one point, it's not anymore,it's been broken, but I helped
do the state record alligator.
So I mean, so I've done somecrazy things.

(48:52):
It is pretty cool.

SPEAKER_02 (48:53):
Um does that involve a lot of painting?
The alligator?
Is that what that is?

SPEAKER_03 (48:57):
Yeah, a lot of a lot of two-part epoxy, a lot of
painting.
Yeah.
Um the uh I've helped do anelephant, you know, an African
elephant.
That's crazy.
Um was it just a head mount orwas it shoulder mount, actually?
Shoulder.
Yeah, so like the frontshoulders, like right behind its
ears forward.
Um that's cool.
I've um, you know, African lionsand things like that.

(49:19):
And um, but whitetails to me isjust where it's at.
I I I mean, I could I feel likeI could do it in my sleep with
my eyes closed.
I mean, you name it, you know,that old saying.
Uh I mean that's what you loveto hunt.
I love to hunt.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (49:35):
That probably helps you too with like mounting as
well.
I do you think you could like doyou think it'd be possible for
taxidermists to do really goodwork and not hunt?
Like, do you think that'd bebecause you know when you're
hunting, you see.

SPEAKER_03 (49:50):
You could, but I don't see why.
That would be like somebody thatdoes paint and body work or
there's a technician, but theyride a bicycle to work, they
won't drive a car or you know,ride a car.
Yeah.
Or drive a car.
Um I've sent some pictures in belike us, not liking boats.

SPEAKER_02 (50:05):
Like just seeing deer in the like seeing deer in
the wild, like just the way theymove and the way, you know, the
way they, you know, holdourselves up.

SPEAKER_03 (50:12):
Like I wish our gaming fish would take it.
Does I wish our gaming fishwould take this back.
You know, used to, you couldhave a pet deer in Arkansas.
Yes.
Uh if they could regulate that alittle bit and allow it to
happen again.
And of course, a lot of it iswith diseases and things, and I
get this.
Yeah.
But um if a taxidermist had apet deer, it'd be awesome.

(50:37):
You know, and it's a it'sliterally a pet, no different
than a dog.
They're tame.
Um you uh because I've I've hada few.
I mean, it's been years ago.
Um you get hands-on with thatanimal like that, you you can't
you can't hardly beat that.
Absolutely.
You're getting the every littledetailed reference.
Um, but no, I I I sent in apicture to y'all of it's just an

(51:02):
eyeball.
All right, so look at thepicture here on the screen.
Um, this is the right eye of adeer that I just put together.
It's not been painted oranything.
Look at the detail work in that.
You can see my reflection inthat in that deer's eye taking
the picture.
But yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_00 (51:20):
So how do you I mean uh how do you do that?
Do you just polish it or what doyou do?

SPEAKER_03 (51:23):
No, I mean it's glass eye.
Oh, it's a glass eyeball.
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (51:26):
And so, but getting the shape of that deer's eye and
all of its eyelashes, it's uhbasically where the skin kind of
uh wrinkles up right there,right above his eye, eyelashes.

SPEAKER_03 (51:39):
There shouldn't be a gap anywhere where that hide uh
uh or that lining of that deer'seye is touching that glass
eyeball.
There should be no gaps.
Uh it needs to be shapedcorrectly.
Uh so in other words, if you'lllook and think about this, if
that eyelid was to blink andclose, it needs to go down

(52:00):
perfectly.
The angle of the deer'seyelashes need to be almost at a
45.
I gotcha coming down.
Um and me personally, a lot ofpeople don't when they they look
at a deer on the wall, they'relooking at the horns.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (52:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (52:18):
Typically, that makes sense.
I'll look at the ice.
Yeah.
And they they need to match,obviously.
And you'd be surprised if you'lllook at a deer straight on, a
mounted deer straight on, lookat the right one, look at the
left one, the ones that don'tmatch that people have mounted,
it it blows your mind.
Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 (52:38):
And and most most deer don't match.
I know now that we know thatwe're gonna be like looking at
every single second.

SPEAKER_03 (52:43):
Every one of them, most deer that are on the wall
are up, you know, eight foot orhigher on the wall, and you
don't ever get up close to them.
Right.
That's true.

SPEAKER_02 (52:51):
That's true.

SPEAKER_03 (52:52):
And that their conversation pieces and their
memories and this and that.
But if you're gonna pay to havethat memory, you want it to look
as realistic as possible.
Yeah, yeah.
And I know y'all are I knowy'all are untrained eyes at what
you're looking at, but you can'ttell me that doesn't look like a
real deer sitting there livebreathing.

SPEAKER_02 (53:12):
Yeah, I mean, you wouldn't know.
Looking at that, you wouldn'tknow.
And that's your goal, right?
Every every type thing look likeit's like.
So when you when you said puttogether, you know, not painted,
whatnot, when you say puttogether, what exactly does that
mean?
Does that mean it's like glued?

SPEAKER_03 (53:26):
It has a it has a glue, a compound back behind it
that is that is holding it.
Um so when the eye is set on astyrofoam form, right?
Um it can be set many differentways, but that that eye has a
pupil in it, and you can you cansee it when you're up close to
one.
Yeah.
Uh there's a pupil in it.
That pupil has to be set androtated at the right degree as

(53:47):
well.
And then I use a clay and adheseit to the form with clay, and
then I form the shape of thateye that you were looking at
with a two-part epoxy.
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (53:59):
And then when you put the the, I guess that you
put the height on there andyou're like shaping the eyes and
everything.
Do you have is there like a timeframe where you got to get it
set up before it starts?
No.

SPEAKER_03 (54:08):
So you're able to just I'll even come back in
sometimes hours later, um, six,eight hours later.
And you can still adjust it.
Make adjustments.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (54:19):
Yeah.
Make adjustments.
So how long does it take forthat something like that to cure
to be set?

SPEAKER_03 (54:24):
A week.
A week.
Well, this is what I like aboutit though.
As long as it's not completelycured, been over a week or two
or or whatever.
And say I go in to try to makean adjustment three days into
it.
Right.
And okay, hey, it's it's hard.
It ain't gonna move.
I I get a little squirt bottlewith some water because I have
already tanned this hide.

(54:45):
You know, if leather's hard, ifyou get it wet, you know how all
of a sudden it gets flexibleagain.
Yeah.
So I'll sit there and spray itdown with with water just around
the eye.
And sometimes things happen.

SPEAKER_01 (54:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (54:58):
You know, and so you look up and say it tried to dry
too quick, and so it shrank alittle bit.
It pulled up, it pulled from theyou know, yeah.
You know, it the skin pulledjust a little bit from that eye,
and it's not perfect.
And if it ain't perfect, itain't leaving my hands.
So I'll add some water to it.
I'll reshape that eye again.
Pull the skin out away from theeyeball, put some glue in there,

(55:19):
you know, for my form glue andreset it again.
Put it back to where it goes.
You know, I got it.
Um it happens.
I don't like to put a pin oranything in that eye, but if you
had to, you could put littlebitty pins like a needle in it
to kind of hold it in place andkeep it there for pulling with
when it's right.
There's so many differenttechniques, and none of them are

(55:40):
are wrong or right.
It's all on a different way ofdoing it.
Just a different way to do it.
You can even use fans if you ifyou need to, uh, you know, to
help control uh any humidity'sright.
I think you want, you know, inthat environment or the shop or
whatever that you're working in.
You want to you want to keep alot of things um low humidity

(56:01):
and stuff.
And a lot of people don't knowthis.
They get a mount, say they'vegot a a small place or a big
place, um, and they're they'rewanting to, hey, let's put it
over here by the fireplace.
You know, keep it away from thedarn fireplace.
Oh, yeah.
Is it so the heat that dry heatdries that mount out, and you
may not you may not see it itbeing up on the wall, you know.

(56:22):
Say you got a big cabin orsomething, right?
And there's a big elk up thereon the wall or whatever.
But one day somebody's gonna goup there and want to dust it or
move it or this and that, andwhat this thing looks like
crude, and it's all cracked outand it ain't got any paint
around it hardly, you know.
And the heat keep them away,keep them away from fireplaces

(56:43):
and things like that.
That some taxidermists eitherdon't know or haven't told the
customer, you know, hey, don'tdon't put this around a
fireplace, you know.
Um it it can it can ruin amount.
Amount needs to last a lifetime.
So what is that right there?

SPEAKER_02 (56:59):
Okay, so what is that?
What are we looking at here?

SPEAKER_03 (57:01):
I'd mentioned earlier I hand flesh everything.
Okay.
So that is the inside of adeer's nose nose.
Obviously, the hide's turnedinside out.
So it's the inside of a deer'snose.
Yes.
So if you look on the left andright, that's I see nostrils.
Nostrils.
That right side, that's mefleshing meat off to one side.
Um, and wow, that's the insideof the nose pad on a deer.

(57:24):
And the bottom piece, there's alittle line right there, right
before you get to where my handis.
That's the lips.
So the lips have to be turnedinside out.
Uh the ears have to be turnedinside out, the eyes have to be
turned inside out.
Um the eyes.
Eyeballs?
Like the eyeballs.
Yeah, no, the eyeballs obviouslystay with it and stuff.

(57:44):
Yeah, the eye skin, you want toflesh that out to where um the
way the membrane is uh around adeer's eye.
And once you're doing it, it'sturning it inside out, or you've
got a flap of skin steel.

SPEAKER_02 (57:58):
How much time does it take to flesh one out like
that?
To get everything turned insideout, like the nose, the eye, the
eyelids, the ears.

SPEAKER_03 (58:05):
It's weird because every deer is different.
You would think doing thousandsthat you know, it would just be
what makes it different?
Just the skin, just the layer offat thickness of it.
Um I've had some of them I canflesh out um and um split out
the ears and the the lips andeverything in 30 minutes.
And I've had some of them thatI'll sit there for two hours.

(58:28):
Wow, fleshing that down tonothing.
Uh it it's everyone's different.

SPEAKER_02 (58:33):
I wonder if it's like a regional thing too,
because like you go up northwhere it gets a lot colder.

SPEAKER_03 (58:37):
Yeah, I bet they're thicker.
They're thicker, long-hairedhogs or hogs and bears obviously
have some really thick hides,uh, they're real greasy and
fatty.

SPEAKER_02 (58:47):
Um that right there, I would just looking at that
based on what you just said andgetting them down thin, is that
like a test?
Do you put a light under totest?

SPEAKER_03 (58:56):
Every single one of them, I put a light on it.
Okay.
Just to test it.
And what does that do?
So, what I've done is I've justtaken a a little cheap Walmart
flashlight, set it on a preptable, put the high down on top
of it.
Right.
And if I can't shine a lightthrough it like that, it's not
thin enough.
It's not thin enough.
I got you.
Now, don't get me wrong, a lotof times you can tell by feel.

(59:19):
Yeah.
But thickness, you know, yousee, you've ever gone clothes
shopping and you find that shirtand you're like, oh yeah, yeah,
that's a good thicket shirt.

SPEAKER_02 (59:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (59:27):
You put a light on it like that.
You can really tell.
You can really tell.
And then you can also see, okay,well, I need to go, you know, a
little more, or hey, uh, I'vegone too much.
How do you go too deep?
Okay, so all those little roundcircles there are the follicles
that hold all the the like thewhiskers, the main hairs and
stuff on the deer's nose.

(59:48):
And so if you go too deep,you'll cut them off.
That hair has nothing to hold onto the height anymore.
Yeah.
And then you you look up, youyour deer will be won't have any
more whiskers.
You know.
And what I like about if youwant your deer to have some real
realistic look to where maybeit's got uh a little moisture on

(01:00:10):
its whiskers, I can use someModge Podge.
You know, it's crafting stuff.
Use some Mod Podge, a littlelittle drop here and there.
I can put 'em on the whiskers.
Uh makes it look wet.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:20):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:21):
You know?
Um but yeah, yeah.
Just fleshing it down to whereit's as thin as possible.
No, that piece on the right yousaw, is it that's its ear.
It's ears turned out.
Oh, yeah.
I see it.
You're talking about just to theright of the flashlight.
Yeah, just to the right of theflashlight, kind of pointed,
pointed down to the right sideof the screen.
Ears turned out.

(01:00:41):
The ears are just turned insideout, like your socks.
So whenever I say turned out,that's what you're doing.
You're just turning it insideout.
That's crazy.
Uh you have a lot of patience,don't you?
That does.
That's a very particular thing.
I never have my entire life,even when doing this 20 years
ago.
But you know, I've got a littleboy, he'll be nine on Halloween
this year.

(01:01:01):
Uh he that that young man mademe have some patience.
Oh, I bet.
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:06):
So it does help.
All right, let's talk about mybull in there that I just showed
you.
So basically, he was broke up.
He's missing his uh, I believehis left well tail at the end of
it.
He broke it off fighting, andthere was a tyne on his right
side that was uh also had to getput back on.
And when we got it back fromtransport, we didn't realize it
because it's wrapped up, youknow.

(01:01:26):
But a couple days later werealized when we took the wraps
off that it cracked out, chippedoff, and this is kind of the
situation we're left with.
So for you to go in and fix thisthis set of antlers right here,
what would you do?
What would you address?

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:41):
Okay, so to correct these antlers, and and first of
all, whoever tried to correctthem, you know, give me props.
He's he he's tried.
I've done enough of it.
Uh the whell tail that he usedon using a natural bone, which
is fine.
Right.
You know, it's it's best to tryto do that.
He didn't have to.
Um he should have foundsomething a little more

(01:02:03):
symmetrical to the other side,something bigger.
Uh that one there is a littletoo small.
Um, so if you'd like me to fixthis one for you, I will.
Um, I would actually just removethat.
I don't want to leave it onthere because I don't know how
he has it adhesed to it.
Right.
But uh the best way to do it isdrill some holes, lined up
holes.

(01:02:24):
Um, so I would take that pieceoff, clean it up, get every bit
of whether he's used Bondo orepoxy or or whatever he's used,
get it all off back down to rawbone, and then get some
fingernail polish, a coloredfingernail polish.
And on one of the ends of thehorns, I'd put three little
dabs.

SPEAKER_05 (01:02:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:42):
And then find out where it's got to be lined up
and connect them.
So make to make an exact dot onthe other end of the main beam.
Um, that's where I know I needto make um a hole at.
So, you know, take a small drillbit, drill it in to the base of
the horn, uh, put a metal rod inthere, and then um bondo it and

(01:03:04):
glue it all back together, uh,line it up.
Um, and if you'll see it's got aswoop there at the top, uh where
that where right where theystart to connect.
Um, you're not gonna get rid ofthat swoop.
So you got to add to it.
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:19):
You're talking about instead of just putting it
together and smoothing it off,you'd almost have to just
continue from the from the youknow, the the bigger side, just
continue it straight out towhere it wasn't.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:31):
It needs a good quarter inch of uh a two-part
epoxy added in there.
You just call it that swoop out.
Yeah.
If you look at the bottom andthat bottom arch that goes up
and around it, the that that'spretty clean.
No, that doesn't matter.
That's pretty clean.
Pretty clean.
Um, but the top piece is isreally what's throwing everybody
off when you look at that.

(01:03:51):
Oh, yeah.
Regardless of where it's at inthe room hanging up.
So that's noticeable from adistance because of the just the
line change, you know.
Exactly.
So go from the right side andjust follow it.
Uh there's a I think you'd agreewith me, there's a good quarter
inch that needs to be added tothat.
At least it doesn't need to gojust a, you know, an inch or two

(01:04:14):
on that.
It needs to go aways.
So that that second to lastpoint there, it needs to go up
into it a ways, which would likemake the girth of it thicker.
But um, and it needs to be donelike that all the way around.
Yeah, it does.
Not just on that spot, you'vegot to completely float it all
the way around the the base ofthat that beam there.

(01:04:34):
Um, and get back and look at itfrom 10 feet.
Look, you know, in everydifferent angle.
Um, once you've built that up,uh, then you've got to match
color.
Yeah.
Whether it's a stain, and and alot of times you mean you can
use just uh an oak stain.
Really?
An oak stain from Lowe's,Walmart, Home Depot.

(01:04:56):
Uh golden oak is a is a goodone.
Classic, uh, just a good colorstain.
Or if you are handy with anairbrush, and most taxidermists
need to be because you'reairbrushing all kinds of things,
um, you can uh you can airbrushcolor into it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:12):
And if you're not, then be a kid again, get you out
some different color paints,just paint your different
browns, yeah, and brush it andget you, you know, spend time
with it.
Yeah, it it would take time thatway for sure.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:24):
I've done it enough to where I've got it down to
another.
Where the color changes.
Um, right there.
Like you can clearly see thatthere's a color difference here.
Yeah.
You know, like there's a loss ofdetail too when you get to the
uh that center line.
And luckily though, if if itwasn't chipped off and it wasn't

(01:05:48):
as noticeable for this situationwhere we're gonna put it, you
wouldn't notice.
If it was just slightly, youknow, slightly less noticeable,
where it's going in the house,it's going real tall, real high
up in the on the wall.
And I mean, what do you think,Dad?
It's gonna be 16 foot up?

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:04):
15, 16 foot up, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:06):
So, I mean, it'd be way up there.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:08):
You wouldn't even probably notice it.
I would like to see what you cando with this deer since we have
I mean, this elk, since we hadthis elk here, we just took
pictures of it.
I like to do another podcastafter we get the up.
Absolutely.
I'd love that.
We definitely have uh somethingthat's really jacked up, and
this is a perfect situationwhere somebody would kill an elk

(01:06:29):
of a lifetime, which is which B.
Scott did, and you know, it'sdisappointing to get that back
like that, you know.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:36):
And would be cool too if like as you're doing it
step by step, you took a littlevideo just talking about it, you
know?
Yeah, that way we could bringback in here.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:43):
We'll bring it back in, we'll showcase it.
You bring the elk back, weshowcase it, um, we'll film it,
and then you can explain to theyou know the viewers how you fix
this elk.
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:53):
Well, and and and another thing, I wouldn't just
fix the horn.
Yeah.
I'm going to I didn't mount it.
But even had I mounted that, I Imean you can nickpick anybody
else's.
That's right.
That's right.
I nickpick my own too.
That's right.
That's what makes it good.
Yes.
And so I'm going to go in andclean it first.
Yeah.
Properly do a cleaning on themount.

(01:07:14):
It needs it.
There's there's dust and itthere might hopefully not, but
there may be a bug or twosomewhere crawling around on it.
Just completely clean it.
Right.
And then if there's anythingthat needs to be touched up, go
in, touch it up, clean it up,repaint it if it needs it in
certain spots.
Spend a little extra timeinstead of saying, okay, here I
just fixed your horn.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:31):
Yeah.
Could you do a documentary or avideo of what you think is wrong
with that mount and film it asyou do it?
Like everything.
Like really get nitpicky withit.
I mean, you know, do what youwant to do, you know.
Uh something that we can educatepeople on.
Yeah, just a show.
You have a you have a gift of ofof what you see, I mean how you
do things.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:52):
I think I think our viewers would love to see you
know how you can take, like, ifsomebody just like me was in
this situation, what you wouldoffer them.
Yeah.
You know, yeah.
That way they would, you know,because then you seeing it step
by step like that, you wouldfeel confident being like, okay,
you're the man to fix it.
Yeah.
You're the man I need.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:11):
Because this guy's not the only one out there
that's that has that.
That's had a a moment where it'syou know, he well, he wants
something to remember.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:19):
Oh, yeah.
Like right now, that elk shouldbe on the wall.
We've had it here for a year.
We're gonna have it on the wallsoon.
It should be on the wall, youknow, but it's still here, and
it's because I don't want totake it from here because I know
I gotta take it somewhereeventually, you know?

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:31):
But we never really had the right person either.
No, but I think we've met theright person.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:35):
I think I do too.
But I think it'd be a goodopportunity to like to see what
you do with it, you know.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:39):
Uh I have a rack at home, okay, that was my very
first bow kill.
It was on a call buck.
So four on one side, eleven onthe other.
And it was just literally likewhat?
And then and it's still small.
I mean, it's not like a hugerack.
But eleven on one side, elevenon one side, four on the other.
It'd just been a probably saymaybe maybe a nine point.

(01:09:02):
Yeah.
Had something not occurred inthis deer.
He probably was wounded at somepoint.
Yeah, and just grew some goodstuff.
I shot him with the, and thishas been 12 years ago or so.
Yeah.
Shot him with a bow.
Uh, I didn't find him for threedays.
He went off down in a ravine ina holler and could not find this
deer.
Jumped him, couldn't find himagain, jumped him.

(01:09:24):
Anyways, so three days later Ifound him, and of course, Kyotes
had already got a hold of him,buzzards and everything else.
But um, so out in the middle ofthe woods, I mean, you're not
gonna eat a deer that's beenthere for three days and it's
already been half eaten on andeverything.
So um I did what I thought wasethical and just cut cut its
head off.
And okay, well, I've got myhorn, so it's not what I'm

(01:09:46):
hunting.
I'm out here to eat, but I'mgonna take the horns back in.
Yeah, and at least I know he'sdead.
Yeah, you know.
Um, so I felt like I checked allthe boxes.
Some point over the years of mejust kind of having the rack
laying around, he had a droptying that was on that crazy
cold side.
I mean, literally it the pointsare just like this.

(01:10:07):
Um, and it broke.
It you can't tell it now at allbecause the way I fixed it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:15):
But a um so you made like an artificial point or just
like.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:19):
I used that same point that broke, but I went in
and I gotcha.
Like I'm gonna do with yours andand really just spent my time on
it.
But I'm gonna spend as much timeon yours like if it would with
mine.
That's the difference.
Yeah.
And everything that I touch, youknow, it's got my name on it.
And it's not even just that,that person has some sentimental

(01:10:43):
value, or they wouldn't becalling it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:45):
It's a perfect time to market yourself because like
when you do something for acustomer and you make it look
like it wasn't broke, thatcustomer's gonna tell that
person.
Every person they tell that to.
Every time.
That's what people don'trealize.
If you do a bad job or you do areally good job, that person's

(01:11:06):
gonna tell the truth.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:08):
And that's what's cool about taxidermy, is like
everything you send out is anexample of your work.
You know what I mean?
So it's like every piece thatyou do and you put in somebody's
house that they they havebuddies that shoot big deer in
the future, it's an example ofwhat you can do.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:24):
Yep.
It doesn't matter if you'rebuilding houses, it don't matter
if you're building fences, itdon't matter what it is.
You do a good job and people'sgonna know.
And uh so so you know, uh, howhow can customers find you on
the internet?
Or or how they contact you?

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:39):
Like what's your like what socials are you on and
and that kind of ordeal?
I'm on Instagram.
Um I'm on Facebook.
On Facebook, it's WildlifeRecreations.
Uh what there's a hyphen there.
So it's RB.
No.
Okay.
I I plan on it.
So wildlife.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:56):
All of your work is basically based off of word of
mouth.
Word of mouth and see that'sthat's the best business plan.
It is, it's the safest one.
It is, it is.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:05):
And and like I said, and being part-time, it keeps me
from just being fully assumedwith it.
Being at work doing my full-timejob.
And now, of course, you know, mymy my boss is is is comfortable
with me grabbing uh grabbing thephone as long as I'm continuous
working.
And I'll I'll send a text like,hey, you can't talk right now.
Something like that.
It's respectful.

(01:12:25):
Yeah.
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:25):
Um but it also allows you to name your price
too, because you're that kind ofguy that's gonna do the best
work.
Once you go on the website, youget all these tired kickers and
you open yourself up for peopleto say, hey, this guy's too
expensive to go, whatever, blah,blah, blah, blah, blah.
But if you keep it private likethat and build your customer

(01:12:46):
base, it's it's the best.
It is.
It's the best.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:48):
I had a I had a gentleman message me on my on my
uh, not my personal, but my uhmy taxonomy business um
messenger on Facebook the otherday.
And very first thing he saidwas, How much does it cost for a
white tail shoulder mount?
Well, to me, some people willsay, Well, if you gotta ask how
much it costs, you can't affordit.
Right.
That's not true.
Somebody just wants to know whatit costs, man.

(01:13:10):
Right.
Yeah, just to know.
Yeah, yeah.
And so, I mean, that's that'sthe world we live in now.
But anyways, um, so I didn'thesitate and I threw it out
there.
And uh anyways, and he says, uh,so I I seen one of your flyers,
and then I I happened to findyou on on Facebook.
Um and I said, Man, I give 10%off to any any military or first

(01:13:35):
responder.
And he says, I am.
I said, Okay, well there'sthere's ten percent off
instantly.
You know, and and I'm I'mprobably gonna change something
up too.
If some people may lie about it,but it's no big deal.
But if it's I don't care ifyou're five years old or if
you're 50, man or a woman, ifit's your first kill, it's 10%

(01:13:55):
off too.
Yeah.
So why I mean, why not?
Right.
You know?
Yeah, it's cool.
I mean, it's that's anotheraspect that makes you a little
bit goes a long ways.
Helps people.
Absolutely.
I like that.
I need the help.
Yeah, bring it to me and I'llhelp you.
Uh if you gotta make payments,you gotta make payments.
I get it.
You know, nothing's nothing'snothing's cheap.
I mean a hundred bucks does notgo where it used to.

(01:14:17):
No, not at all.
Not at all.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:19):
It's only getting worse.
Take it$100 at Walmart and seewhat you come out with.
Total paper and Q-tipped.
I I don't notice it as bad untilwe get to until we get to like
deer season when I'm buying likebatteries, double-A batteries
and stuff.
It's ridiculous.
Because every time I go toWalmart, I gotta buy a couple of
sets of batteries.
So it don't matter what I'mgrabbing.
I come out with just carryingtwo bags and I spend 120 bucks.

(01:14:42):
I'm like, it's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:44):
Yeah, no kidding.
So for customers trying to get ahold of you, uh will will you
share your your phone number?
Yeah, absolutely.
So so what is your phone number?

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:54):
It's area code 501 Central Arkansas.
So 501-339-1698.
Okay.
So 339-1698.
Wildlife Recreations, TaxidermyStudio.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:07):
Awesome.
And and you expect you youbasically you answer questions
through your uh your messenger.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:13):
I can do messenger, phone number, text, uh, phone
number, text, call me.
If you want to FaceTime me, Idon't, I mean, I don't care.
I'm I'm I'm an open book, I'm upfront, I'm honest.
So if you've got a question, uhhit me with it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:26):
And if you've got a particular mount that you guys
are like haven't seen be done,you seem like the guy that can
probably bring that to life.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:33):
That and you know, if you've got an idea, I'm I'm
game for constantly learning andgrowing.
Tell me about it.
You know, look, let's try to dothis together.
Let's make make yours differentthan everybody else's, even
though some people, hey, it'sjust a deer mount.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:47):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:48):
So what I really like to do too is I might even
order mainly on my own stuffbecause it would be a little
pricey, but I order from acouple different suppliers and
then start cutting forms up.
People like cutting forms up,cut your cut them forms up, make
my own form, different position,have the deer's head you know,

(01:16:09):
completely turned around like anowl, like it's looking behind
him.
Just stuff that you can't order.
I mean, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:15):
Because there is standard, there's standard
mounts, you know.
Like people just go, all right,I want this form, this form,
this form, or this form.
They give you options.
Like a lot of taxonomists justgive you options.
Right.
And like you can't get an exactmaybe what you're trying to get.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:28):
You know, my goal is in three years to have my place
set up to where when you comein, you don't have to look at a
catalog.
You can pick it off the wall.
Right.
It'd be cool.
Like you just walked into aminiature bash pro shop.
Yeah, that's that's pretty neat.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:48):
It's easy to it's good, it's good for the person
that does not know or they'reindecisive.
You know, because we call, we'relike, all right, what would look
cool?
And we we look on the internet,we see different mounts.
We don't not only do we not knowwhat that mount's called, you
know, we're trying to referenceall photos off Google, you know.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:04):
So it's like it's a you know it's a communication
issue.
A 5,900 series, this and that,da-da-da.
And tax numbers will speak thatlingo and just you don't know.
No, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:15):
I need to see something and be like, yes.
Brochure or something.

SPEAKER_04 (01:17:18):
I can I can see Tim dropping something off and be
like, ah, surprise me.
Yeah, I mean that's he would dothat.
And truthfully, it happens allthe time.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:25):
And if I'm gonna surprise you, yeah, I'm gonna
surprise you with some type ofpedestal mount.
And it don't have to be apedestal that you have on the
floor.
So you like pedestal mounts.
I love I I love it.
You like them more than shouldermounts?
Yeah, so a pedestal mount canalso be a pedestal wall mount.
Yes, that's what's cool aboutit.
And so example of that.
I mean, I think we have apicture of one that I've I've
I've sent in.

(01:17:46):
Um, and it's a pedestal mountthat's a pedestal wall mount.
And we'll see if we can findthis up here.
That's a pedestal wall mount aswell, but it's it's on a
pedestal.
So that deer could actually bejust like that, minus the
pedestal, but on the wall.
Yes.
And you need a little bit moreback to it.

(01:18:07):
So when you cape that deer out,do not cut it short.
That was one you just passed.
I seen it when you're goingthrough.
Yeah, the that one, actually,there's that one finished.
That one's actually just afterit's put together.
It's not dried, not doneanything.
Go, go keep going.
But that same deer at thecustomer's house.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:26):
Uh, let's see here.
Keep going.
Keep going.
Keep going.
Oh, that was one.
That was one.
Go back one.
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:42):
That that's a pedestal wall mount.
Yeah.
But you see how much cape yougotta have?
Yes, you've got to have a lotmore.
If you're worried about it,bring me the whole hide.
Yeah.
Or or start mid-belly.
Matter of fact, I'd rather youstart just mid-belly and give me
four or five inches on bothfront legs.

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:59):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:00):
Okay.
If you if you've cut it, that'sfine.
I can sew it.
Don't cut it out of it.
I don't know.
I can't sew up a uh, you know, awhere you a softball-size hole
that's cut out of a deer.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:09):
So the best thing when somebody capes at a deer, I
think this is a good topic foruh our viewers.
So when you when you cape out adeer, you basically gotta turn
that deer inside out from rightpast his shoulders.
And if you're speaking And yougotta get the legs out of it,
the front legs out of it, whichis the hardest.
But but can they just cut allthe way around the deer, like at
their belly?

(01:19:30):
Bin belly, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:30):
Okay, then start and then just start pulling it
towards the front and then dothe front legs that yeah, and
then pull the legs out.

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:38):
Pull the legs out.
But how high off the knee do youneed the front legs?

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:42):
I'd go mid leg.
Mid leg?
Just in case.
Because you may you may have inyour mind, okay, I'm gonna get
this deer mounted, I'm gonnacall Joseph, okay?
This is what we're gonna do.
But then it's come down to it.
Say you've already given me yourdeposit.
You you changed your mind.
You found something online or abuddy that has or more seen a

(01:20:02):
you've seen a TikTok or reel orwhatever, and you're wanting
something different now.
But you didn't do that when youcaped it out, not me, but when
you caped it out or had a frienddo it because you didn't know
how, because that happens a lot.
Yeah, you'd be the surprisethose that hunt and can't even,
you know, can't skin a deer.
Right.
It's it's fine.

(01:20:23):
You're still out there doingwhat you love.
A lot of people don't like doingthe nasty way.
No, no, no.
But it's it is nasty.
I'm sorry.
But it is.

SPEAKER_02 (01:20:31):
That's a typical, that's what you would consider a
pedestal.

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:34):
That's a pedestal.
But a pedestal wall mount couldeven be very just like that, but
it's on the wall.
Right.
So there's just a there's alittle place.
Which I like that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:20:40):
I think it's you know, it's different than a
shoulder mount.
It adds like a little bit moredepth to it, I think.
You know, like you see theshoulder mount.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:47):
I'd see something like that on my wall because I'm
I'm more old school.
Get you a good one this year,and we'll do you one.
Yeah.
I would have to see it on thewall.
Uh we have a lot of wall space,but we don't have a lot of floor
space in our house.

SPEAKER_02 (01:20:58):
Yeah, but on the wall, that I'm telling you,
those pedestal mounts on thewall look good.
Like with the base andeverything.
No, no, you don't put the baseon the wall.
You just put that deer on thewall.

SPEAKER_00 (01:21:05):
No, no, no.
That looks good, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:21:07):
Because it adds just a little bit of body to it.
I thought we was putting a wholebetter angle, I feel like.
That deer's been hot springs.
So that's pretty mount, too.
Good gracious.
There's uh Oh, I like the cornerwall mount.
Yep.
The corner one.
The cool the corner mount'scool.
Is that one of that deer's shedsright there?
Or is that just another shed?

SPEAKER_03 (01:21:27):
I don't know what he I don't know what he or she did
uh with that one.
Um I think it's just kind of adisplay.
All I did was the the theshoulder mount and then they
send me, you know, a couplemonths later.

SPEAKER_00 (01:21:38):
I've never seen a corner wall mount.
That's pretty good.
That's where they put mostpedestal mounts at, I would say.

SPEAKER_02 (01:21:43):
Yeah, yeah.
Uh like uh the whiskey barrelyou were talking about earlier
would go great right there.

SPEAKER_03 (01:21:48):
I've I've got a customer that's doing uh who's
out of Greenbrier, uh ChadConey, and I'm I'm gonna end up
doing him and his wife's uh bothon a whiskey barrel, I believe.
We've we've talked about it backand forth this uh and he's
changed his mind, and that'sfine.
But if you if you change yourmind, you want to have more how
you want to have more cape.
So I don't I really like thatcorner mount.

(01:22:10):
If you uh if you don't, then A,you're not gonna have your cape.
You're gonna end up paying for acape.
I'm not gonna provide one foryou.
I can't eat eat that.
You know, I can't eat a couplehundred bucks to get you a cape.
If I mess up the cape, of courseI'm gonna eat it.
Right.
But every time you change acape, all deer are different,

(01:22:31):
just like me and you.
Okay, we're completelydifferent.
We don't wear the same sizeshirt, probably.
And if we do, yours may fit youdifferent.
Okay, well, that deer's antlerbase, its eye eye distance from
its antlers to its eyes and fromits eyes to its nose are all
just slightly off.
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:22:48):
Which makes perfect sense.

SPEAKER_03 (01:22:49):
And so you say you get a new cape and you're
putting it on, it's not going tobe perfect.
You have to adjust.
Yep, that one's actually a Texasdeer and it's it's done in
Texas.

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:01):
Um, but uh But you can tell that the the cape on
that deer right there.
That's a Texas deer.

SPEAKER_03 (01:23:06):
I mean, yeah, it looks like Texas deer real thin,
real, real, real thin, shorthaired.
Uh that's a high fence deer.
But that's a hell of a deer.
Yeah.
I'd uh I'd love to havesomething with an 18-inch G2.
Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:23):
I know, like, to be honest with you, I gotta like
squat down, even see the top ofits tines.
Yeah, that's that's crazy.
Well, man, I think this wasgreat.
I think that uh we talked abouta lot of good stuff.
I'm really excited to see whatyou do with the elk.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:36):
Yeah, I think we should I think we should get the
elk fix and have another podcastbecause that'd be a prime
example of what you're good at.

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:42):
Yes, it will show it which it would be a perfect
showcase of it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:23:45):
I appreciate it.
Uh appreciate you giving me theopportunity.
Oh, it'd be awesome.
I didn't speak of this, but Iwill.
So uh it aired January 5th, Ithink was our first air date
2012.
Um had a TV show on AnimalPlanet called uh American
Stuffers about taxidermy.
Really?
I'd love to get in to dosomething like that again.

(01:24:06):
Yeah, I may go full time if I dothat, you know, instead of
having to uh to juggle what Ilove and and what I need for my
future.
Right.
Um but I would love to to getback in and and and have another
TV show at some point.
Um, but you guys keep it uphere.
You're you're you're great.
I I've watched you for a whileand thank you for having me on.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:25):
Oh, it's it's an absolute blast.
We enjoy it a lot.
We enjoy meeting new people andespecially people with gifts
like you.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:24:32):
I mean, I would say it's you know, you're not a
normal, you're not your normaleveryday taxidermy.
You know, you're doing you'redoing it a little bit different.

SPEAKER_03 (01:24:39):
Well, I mean, people are tired of the the norm.
Here's here's here's what reallyreally sets me off uh from
everybody that I know that doestaxidermy here in the state of
Arkansas.
It's not just a ordering a form,it's not just getting some glue
and and and it's not justmounting it.
I even do a septum nose.

(01:25:00):
So I cut the nose off that andput a fake nose on it.
You can shine a flashlightwhenever you get your deer back
from me, you can shine aflashlight in its nostrils, see
all the veins, everything.
You can see the what they callthe septum in that deer's nose.
It's$150.
But that comes with it.
Yeah.
So whenever I charge you for ashoulder mount, you're getting

(01:25:21):
that with it.
Start call around.
If you've got a friend or abuddy or an a tax dramatic you
used a few years ago, call themand ask them if they're putting
a septum in their nose.
They're gonna tell you no.
So you're just doing everysingle one of them.
Pay attention to the details.

SPEAKER_02 (01:25:34):
He's just I'm talking about everything you
can.

SPEAKER_03 (01:25:38):
As realistic as it setting there, other than having
a heartbeat on your wall.
Yeah, I get it.
Yeah, I get it 100%.
I get it.
I think it's awesome.
It's awesome.
You don't have to feed it, youdon't have to water it, you
know?
Yeah, but it's gonna look asreal as it can be.
And it's art.
Why wouldn't you want the mostrealistic amount of if it's your
buck of your lifetime?

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:57):
Why wouldn't you do it?
The best.
And that's what that's whatpeople just don't people just
don't know there's an option forthat.
You know?
I mean, they just don't.
And it's it's sad, but this isdefinitely a good opportunity
for somebody to learn something.
It is.
It is.
I'll it it's cool.

SPEAKER_03 (01:26:14):
And if somebody wants to learn and learn how I
do it, I'd be glad to teach themif they you know, like kind of
like an apprenticeship.

SPEAKER_00 (01:26:20):
Well, we can get into that another day.
Yeah, you have to have you gottafind the special person that has
that drive, like you can't.

SPEAKER_02 (01:26:25):
Because that's that's gonna be a thing for you.
If you were to if you were toexpand, do more, and uh say
bring somebody in, you know,finding somebody that's
passionate enough and willing tolearn enough to be able to meet
your standards, your qualitystandards, that that could be
difficult.
Very difficult.

SPEAKER_00 (01:26:46):
It's tough for any business, it's tough for my
business, it's tough foreverything.
It's like, you know, nobody'sgonna care as much as you do.
You do.
That's true.
And it's so hard to find that.
It's so hard to find that.
And when you do find that, youknow, that person, it's it's
special.
It's a special, it's a specialbond.

(01:27:06):
More likely you become friends,and you know, it just it just
goes a lot further than that.
Right.
You know, just it's just aspecial person.

SPEAKER_03 (01:27:13):
The uh the taxidermy thing freaks a lot of people
out.
You gotta have the stomach forit too, I think, right?

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:21):
I mean I mean, does all taxidermist stink or just
no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 (01:27:26):
Okay, so here's here's the deal.
What stinks about a dead animalis obviously anything decaying.
Okay, so I've got it way beforeit ever decays.

SPEAKER_05 (01:27:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:27:34):
You know, um every taxidermist I ever stepped into,
it's just I feel like I don't Idon't know if it's been too
much.

SPEAKER_02 (01:27:39):
I feel like I gotta take a damn bath and bleach or
something.
Yeah, I try to I try to likewalk around on like tippy toes
so less my shoes actually touchit.

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:46):
I walked in one and my floors, my my crocs are
sticking to the floor.

SPEAKER_03 (01:27:50):
Oh, dude, I'm gonna throw uh here's what sets me
different from somebody elsetoo.
Uh so when you you get to myplace, you don't see that stuff.
Yeah.
That is separate.
Keep it separate.
Yeah.
Okay, so say you you or evenyour your girlfriend or your
wife or your daughter has a weakstomach.
Okay.

(01:28:10):
And they, you know, they comewith you or they've got
something their self and theydon't want to walk in.
They don't the first thing theydon't want to smell something
nasty.
Right.
Especially gut-wrenching nasty.
I know it.
Or see blood all over the floor.

SPEAKER_02 (01:28:24):
Like you saying that takes me back to when you said
earlier with that one mount thathad marble, like a marble, you
know.
Oh, yeah, no, there's no way shewould have marble she would have
ever walked into it.
If she walked into a tax nervouslike that, he wouldn't have even
been able to compromise withher.
You know, she'd have beenhurling outside.
Yeah, she would have been like,there's no way we're putting or
been mortified and been like,we're not doing this everywhere.

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:45):
It's a good business practice, man, because you know,
we try to keep our trucks clean,try to keep our place clean.
We our plants are swept, ourgrass is cut, and we try to keep
our appearance super, superclean because when customers
walk into the building, thatthey're comfortable.

SPEAKER_03 (01:28:58):
You will never see uh something like I say uh I'm
not to be corny, but this isjust the figure of speech.
Like you walked into Bass ProShop, you don't walk into Bass
Pro Shop and see all the nastyand gross and stuff, you know?
Everything has to be clean.
I get it.
Yeah, the when you when you dropoff your deer, that's the last
time you've seen that deer inthat state of it being dead, and

(01:29:22):
then whenever you pick it backup, it's alive again, you know,
so to say, but you don't eversee any of that.
I keep that separate.
And the shop that I learned in,it's it's stunk.
There was fly strips everywhere.
Um you know, sometimes you maycome in and do a cleaning, and
there's not to be any certainway, but if this is life,

(01:29:44):
there's maggots and stuff.
And nine out of ten places arelike that.
Some places are a littlecleaner, but you guys aren't the
cleanest.
I mean, come on.
You know, I am, you know, uh ofa very clean neat freak.
Well, I keep my shop that way.
And this is why, like I said,I'd I I don't want you to bring
and it's and not picking onfemales.
There's a lot of female hunters,you know, especially now

(01:30:06):
compared to what there used tobe.
But females don't want to comein because this like I said,
there's times and if that stuffsets there, especially
overnight, it's stinking thenext day.
Stinking.
Yeah.
And it don't take much to stinkup the whole place.
Yes.
That's the thing about thething.
It still stinks for a while.
You've got to air that placeout.

(01:30:26):
You've got to clean it.
I mean, clean it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:30:29):
If I walked in your if I walked in your place and
your place was spotless andclean, I didn't get a bad smell,
I would you would get mybusiness.
Yeah.
Because I knew that if you tooktime, because it costs money to
keep your shop clean.
Okay.
So that's what people don'tunderstand.
You walk into a place and it'ssuper clean, it costs you money
to keep that shop clean.

(01:30:50):
Either you can clean your shopor you can be stuffing animals,
whatever you want to do, butit's going to cost you money no
matter what you do.
It's going to cost time.
So to me, if you took time outof your schedule to clean your
place, that would tell me thatyou're getting money, you know,
I'm giving you my business.
But a good hour a day.
Absolutely.
It costs you money.

SPEAKER_03 (01:31:08):
And it's not just at the end of the day.
When you get there and you startworking, whether it's, you know,
sometimes for me, seven o'clockof at night, you know, say I'm
going to go work until midnight,I'll spend the first 10 minutes
making sure all my stuff isorganized from the last time I
did anything, clean up, youknow, anything that I may have
overlooked.
You got to get in the habit ofdoing certain things to do it,

(01:31:30):
in my opinion, correctly.
So the last bit of the you itain't just, I don't care how
tired you are.
I just want to take a shower andgo to bed.
Clean your place.
Yeah, yeah.
You're not going to clean it up.
And then you didn't just go outthere and go mud riding with
your buddies and then come homeand get in bed.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You took a shower.

SPEAKER_00 (01:31:51):
Hopefully you didn't walk through the plant and that
plant's not clean, we'reshutting down production.
Absolutely.
It's getting cleaned.
And the the guys will totallyfit.
I mean, look, we're not walkingthrough this plant.
It's not going to get dirty.
You're going to throw your trashaway.
You're going to take care ofyour stuff.
And it's going to look clean.
Or we're not building boatsuntil it's clean.
Right.
You know, so it goes a long way.

(01:32:11):
It goes a long ways.
But man, this has been anawesome podcast.
It has, man.

SPEAKER_02 (01:32:15):
I'm totally glad we linked up and I'm excited to see
what you do with the elk.
And I mean, we got we definitelygot to come back and do it again
for sure.

SPEAKER_00 (01:32:21):
So we got we got the elk and we got three uh uh we
got elk we need fixed and we gotthree elk we need amount.

SPEAKER_01 (01:32:27):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:32:28):
All right.

SPEAKER_03 (01:32:28):
Here's something else.
And not just because if youbring me more than one item, you
start getting discounts.
Yeah.
So yeah, it makes sense.
You know.

SPEAKER_05 (01:32:36):
Oh yeah.
We we work.
Steady we work on that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:32:40):
That ain't just for you guys.
That's for that's for anybody.
I don't care if it's myneighbor, I don't care if it's a
buddy, I don't care if I don'tknow you.
Right.
You know, the more you bring me.

SPEAKER_00 (01:32:48):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (01:32:48):
Um, but things are also in a timely manner.
And so I've strived on that.
I've gone through a divorce thisyear and unexpected things in
life happen, unfortunately.
So I've I've I've gotten towhere I'm sitting here like,
hey, I've got I've got about 10whites that need to get back.
Yeah.
And they even been a year,right, you know.

(01:33:10):
But uh they they gotta get back.
Or they could have took them tosomewhere else.
That's right.
I gotta remember that.
That's right.
They could have took them tosomewhere else.
Some of these some of these guyshave got stuff that's paid for
in full.
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (01:33:24):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:24):
Yeah.
Or they all have a deposit atleast.
Right.
And so, hey, I've got to keepthe wolves away.
It's gonna get done.
But other than this happening inmy life, usually my turnaround's
about six, six months, maybeeight.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:33:37):
That's good.
That's a lot quicker than some.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:39):
Some of them are two or three years.
And I get that, but I don't.
And if you'll look at theirstuff or you call them or you'll
show up over there, they're onlyworking three or four days a
week.
You know.
Most of them are hunting.
Most of them are hunting season.

SPEAKER_02 (01:33:52):
That's that's the thing about taxes.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:54):
And that that gets in that gets into interference.
I get that.
Yeah.
Go hunt that morning, get offthe stand or decide to hunt that
afternoon, whatever.
But if you'll put in a halfday's work, anyways.
Yeah.
That's better as work.

SPEAKER_00 (01:34:06):
Nothing.

SPEAKER_03 (01:34:06):
Yeah.
Uh seven days a week if you haveto.
If you if you're one of themthat wants to work on the Lord's
Day, do it.
If you're not, then you know,take your Sunday off, work six
days a week.
You can still go to your kids'ball games.
You can still have family time.
Or if you're single, you know,you can still do you.
I get that.
But go to work.
And if you would go to work, Idon't care if you're a one-man

(01:34:28):
show or you got four people inTaxi Temer Shop, you should
never be past 12 months ever.
I don't care how much you takeout.

SPEAKER_00 (01:34:34):
Yeah, don't take uh more work in, you can get out.

SPEAKER_03 (01:34:36):
That's that's true too, you know.
For sure.
I greatly appreciate it, guys.
I appreciate you coming.

SPEAKER_02 (01:34:41):
Yeah, well that wraps this up, guys.
Leave a like, subscribe, hit thebell for notifications, and look
out for more in the future.
It's gonna be good.
We're gonna get the elk back,and hopefully we got a step by
step video of it, and we'llwe'll discuss it and show you
what he can do.
We appreciate you guys, and uhcatch you on the next one.

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