March 20, 2024 • 46 mins
In the conclusion we discuss more about the Dragon Ball years and continue into what he did afterwards. Then we also discuss the Paradise Papers that show Toriyama may have been up to no good at some things.
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Shaun (00:00):
Part 2 of our series on Akira Toriyama.
In the first episode, wediscussed Toriyama's childhood,
his reason for getting into themanga industry and his
difficulties doing so.
We pick up this episode withMihane discussing Dragon Ball Z.
So there, dragon Ball Z iswhere the series goes from
whimsical adventure to atestosterone fueled fight
fighting anime.
(00:20):
It's when Goku went from littlekid to full grown adult that it
became, you know, action packedand far more fighting in this
and that.
And there's actually kind of areason for this, believe it or
not.
You want to know why Nate Do ya?
Well, the reason was is becausewhen Goku was tiny, with his
little stubby kid arms and stuff, it was actually kind of tricky
and hard to have him fightadults and keep the proportions
(00:43):
right and everything you know,trying to, you know, angle his
arms and legs and stuff you knowinside of like somebody full
grown adult.
That's actually why they gavehim a stick early on is because
these are just drawing likehitting somebody with a stick.
Then it was getting close andkicking and punching him.
So when they started to getaround this, they were just like
, well, let's just make himadult.
So he has, you know, normalproportions.
Granted, you know they stuck toit with Krillin and stuff.
(01:03):
But Well, also, you know, asKrillin didn't really do much,
Exactly, he really didn't, hehad a couple of fight scenes,
but yeah, usually Krillin goesin for the kick and then gets
leveled.
Nate (01:12):
So yeah, even kind of the same with Gohan too.
Shaun (01:14):
Off the start he would just sort of do his like powered
up, headbutt, fly at ya.
So yeah, when I read that, ittotally clicked.
They even have like picturesfrom the manga too, where it's
like a picture of young Gokufighting somebody and it's kind
of like they had to draw his leg, so it's actually like twice as
long as it normally is to makeit look good.
But in order to make that lookright, they had to like lock it
off a little bit by somebody'sgi.
You know what I'm talking about.
(01:35):
Yeah, it's like you know, ifyou break this down, goku's leg
is a lot longer.
It should be.
So anyways, they're like, hey,this is hard to draw, so let's
just make him full sized.
And Dragon Ball Z Toriyama didhave some input on that too,
which was like he had, you know,yamcha's baseball career.
He had that story that was notin the manga, added for the
anime alone.
Toriyama also helped designSnake Road and he was also.
Nate (01:59):
Yamcha is a total pus.
I mean, in comparison to therest of the Z fighters, I mean
he's like the weakest but he'sstill struggling to have
achievements.
So it was totally not fair forhim to join like a baseball
league.
Shaun (02:10):
He is, I think, like technically the second strongest
human behind Krillin on theplanet for actual, like straight
humans.
Nate (02:17):
And there's a guy, with I mean the guy with three eyes
again, like he doesn't, hedoesn't count.
Shaun (02:21):
I think he's a god or something like that.
Nate (02:23):
Okay, because again he's from Dragon Ball.
I know he shows him Dragon BallZ, him and that little baby
Chouzu.
And I mean the guy who blowshimself up with the noise.
Yeah, chouzu like well, thatsucks.
Shaun (02:35):
I don't know who he was you know.
Nate (02:37):
And then the guy with three eyes shows up like oh okay
, he's got his three eyes, sure,why not as many as anime, why
not?
So I just watched a little, youknow, the little bit of Dragon
Ball I've seen in passing.
I was like oh okay, oh okay, Isee they're introducing this guy
.
Oh, he was a bad guy originally.
I well, whatever.
So Yamcha.
Like when they first introducedPiccolo Dragon Ball Z.
(02:58):
They're like clearly there wassome kind of history there and
they kind of allude to him beinga bad guy at the beginning.
Shaun (03:03):
But it was like brief because yeah, rattus was there
the first, you just they kind oflike here the whole crowd is
here all of a sudden, justaccept it.
Nate (03:12):
Yeah, and like here he is.
They're like oh, piccolo,you're mean, you don't know, you
like.
Well, clearly he's on the sideof you're on your side now
because of Rattus.
Shaun (03:22):
Which it feels like a downgrade, because in the
original Dragon Ball part,piccolo was actually considered
a god.
Because you know they're likewho is the god of the planet?
The evil side of the god is yetKami and Piccolo, which is, you
know, good and bad gods, right,yeah, so he's got a really good
one.
Nate (03:36):
Kami was like so old he was, who cares whatever.
Shaun (03:39):
Also, too, piccolo had that cool like arm like length,
anything where he could make hisarms really long, that was
really big at the beginning ofthe series, kind of went away
and then started to become bigat the end again.
Or also his ability to makehimself huge, which I never
really saw.
The point, that, because itmakes them bigger but doesn't
make them more powerful, well,that's, yeah, this is basically
a bigger target.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Nate (03:59):
And then, of course, once you start introducing characters
that can like blow up planetsby accidentally Right.
Shaun (04:05):
Oh yeah, dude, just point two fingers forward and blow up
a planet, although I did hear.
Nate (04:10):
So I mentioned their theory.
I'm sure they didn't think ofit, but it was until just enough
that I was like you know, I'llroll this.
It's actually pretty easy.
You know the whole joke ofFrieza's like I'm gonna blow
this planet up and find likefive minutes or whatever, even
though he previously blown up aplanet in seconds and so did
Vegeta.
But he goes to blow the planetup and then meanwhile, 25
(04:33):
episodes later, the planet'sstill there and someone was
saying, well, they're fightingbut they're moving so fast that
to them was a long time.
But for like the average view,like if someone was there on the
planet, it'd be like just youknow seconds or whatever, in
minutes I guess, but they stillshow the trees blowing the same
Say one, it is true that thetime goes by faster when they're
(04:54):
fighting.
Shaun (04:54):
Two, it doesn't work for that scene because there's
plenty of times where they zipover to, like the Namek towns,
and everybody's just talking,acting normally.
Nate (05:00):
So yeah, it's like I wanted.
I wanted to go.
Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
But the moment you start putsome real pressure on that, okay
, thinking it's like now.
Shaun (05:09):
Here's my theory too.
You'll like this one better.
It's Frieza, is doing the oldschool villain thing like Red
Death from Venture Brothers.
Was his name Red Death, redSkull, red Skeleton or whatever?
Nate (05:19):
Yeah, yeah.
Shaun (05:20):
It's just like I gotta build up the suspense for it.
I'll blow up this planet slowly, tick tock, tick tock.
Will I blow it up now or soon?
You have a time limit.
Panic now, mortals, I mean.
So that seems kind of frizzy,doesn't it?
Nate (05:36):
And I think actually that's more Frieza.
I mean, I don't know, I thinkhe's more of a, I think he's
less a mustachioed villain tyingpeople to turn to act some more
, just like I'm gonna blow thisplace up.
Yeah, oh, that they have thatticked on the mad bomber who
bombs at midnight.
Shaun (05:54):
Mad bomber.
What bombs at midnight.
There you go, yeah, oh yeah.
Dragon Ball Z a bridge toactually have had a reason for
the freeze, a thing that we weretalking about, but I don't
remember what their rationalewas.
Nate (06:04):
it behind it was behind it that really is like I think it
was literally just like hey,freeze the catch.
Shaun (06:10):
you just blow this up quickly like shut up, that's why
, or something like that.
Nate (06:13):
Yeah, which is good enough reasons they.
I like their interpretationwhat happened way better.
Shaun (06:19):
Dragon Ball Z a bridge is the best way to watch it.
Everybody listening to thisright now go on YouTube and
watch Dragon Ball Z Abridge.
Here's the thing.
The first season is kind ofrough, but it gets better really
quick.
And also keep in mind this thefirst season.
Well, the whole thing is justdone by a very small group of
people on like a very limitedbudget.
So, all things considered, eventheir roughest episodes are
(06:40):
really good quality, all thingsconsidered.
Nate (06:42):
Yeah, you two the very first, hmm good.
Shaun (06:45):
Oh, I was gonna say the very first scene too is that
when Radis flies down andcrashes in front of that farmer,
the farmer like runs angles.
Oh no, not my weed farm.
Nate (06:54):
Anyways, good.
Oh, just I was flashed toVegeta's laying there and I
don't remember the scene.
But like the geez in the waterand he's like, says some, what
is this feeling?
The feeling of pride andsomebody else.
Unfortunately, it'sovershadowed by my Rage.
Shaun (07:13):
They actually make Vegeta such a good and layered
character in that.
Also one thing about Yamcha,too, that he has over most
people.
He actually got to have sexwith Bulma.
So there's that.
Oh, there you go.
Yeah, he always gets to holdthat over Vegeta's head too.
Nate (07:28):
And why Vegeta doesn't kill him like even off, like
offhand.
Shaun (07:30):
I was like, oh, I'm sorry , I didn't mean to blow up his
house with him in it and I thinkit was a dragon ball Z, a
bridged Vegeta miss it becausehe respects Yamcha, because he's
so weak, yet he still showssass towards Vegeta.
He still has the ability totalk back.
He's like you know what, Icould kill you in a heartbeat,
but I respect the fact that youjust tell me off anyways, kind
(07:51):
of thing.
That's great, yeah.
So here's a fun fact like we'retalking about in the manga
there is no dragon ball Z, onlydragon ball and zoo.
Uh, there is no dragon ball,only zoo.
Apparently, the reason for thedragon ball Z coming about is
actually sort of clever.
(08:12):
So see, when they're doing theDragon ball anime, the actual
cartoon, every time they werelike Negotiating off their
original contract.
So, you know, the dragon ballanime came out.
They're like, hey, we're gonnado an anime on this.
And you know, as all studentsare like, this will probably be
a hit, but we're not sure, sowe're not gonna give you a ton
of money right off the bat,right?
So, anyways, as dragon ball goesalong and gets more and more
(08:34):
popular, they only have so muchnegotiating power off the base
contracts.
They're like, hey, we're gonnago over to this big transition.
Now we cancel the dragon ballseries relaunches, dragon ball Z
, get a brand new contract tostart out with and we can
negotiate off of that one andstart getting more money.
So basically, if they had keptit as dragon ball, they would
have still had their initiallike Face line contract they'd
(08:55):
have to negotiate off of fromway back, when that wasn't that
much.
But rebooting is dragon balls.
You'd be like, hey, we'rerestarting this and you know how
popular it is, so give us, giveus, give us money, lots of it.
It's kind of like an Elviralevel move for negotiating on
that.
Remember she just kind of likenickel and dimes all the rights
away from them.
Nate (09:10):
Yeah, we can't pay you more money.
Shaun (09:11):
They're like yeah, check out that episode of off-topic on
Elvira.
So here is a little fun sidefact.
You will see a meme that saysafter every new dragon ball Z
release, there's a two-day dipin Mexican cartel crime.
There's no hard evidence ofthis, though, and also, if you
want to go conspiracy theorymode, some people think that the
cartel put out that mean tohumanize them and make them seem
like not such bad guys.
Nate (09:33):
So we killed your family, but we're not that bad guys.
Shaun (09:35):
Hey, well, he's like hey, big old gang war over drugs, oh
, that's bad.
Big old gang war over argumentof dragon ball Z.
I can see that.
Yeah, I mean honestly, itsounds stupid, but it kind is
yeah, uh, who's better?
Yamcha Vegeta.
Nate (09:51):
Well, that's not even question.
I think, anybody.
Shaun (09:55):
I guess I should say who's a better, who who is a
better spouse to Bulma see, herewe go.
Nate (10:00):
We're going to the territory I'm not that familiar
with, but I would say Vegeta.
But uh, he was the one to putthe baby in her, very true, I
mean, he also disappeared a lot.
Shaun (10:08):
So here's another fun fact.
You remember how Goku had atail at the whole start of the
thing, the whole dragon balladventure?
Yep, eventually the tail getsremoved and uh, do you want to
know why this is Nate?
He hated drawing it, sort of.
Do you want to know the reasonwhy he hated drawing it?
Because it looked like a penis?
No, I never thought it lookedlike a penis.
(10:30):
I mean, maybe it looks like.
Maybe it looks like.
Nate (10:32):
I mean I don't really think so either, but it's like
it's a long shaft thing.
Shaun (10:36):
And now we know what Nate's penis looks like.
It looks like Goku's tail longas a rapper around my waist.
Nate (10:41):
Yeah, yes haha, I Try to look at these sexy ladies for
fear of like smacking the body.
Shaun (10:49):
Just get a wreck to your tail or your penis, just like
unwraps around your whole face.
All right, so the reasonToriyama Got rid of the tail,
it's not because it's too hardto draw, but because Toriyama
thinks a little too much.
This is something you mightrelate to, nate, especially
after our recent Duneconversation.
(11:10):
Quote from Toriyama.
This is his direct quote.
Hmm, it's just that I'm alwaysthinking about how things are
supposed to work.
So it was a real pain to figureout how he had put his pants on
or stuff like that.
That always bugged me the most.
Is there a hole in the pants?
Does he?
Does he out his tail throughthe hole first, then put the
pants on?
So that just made me want toget rid of the darn thing, which
(11:31):
I did.
So, yeah, basically drawing it.
He just had too many questionson how a tail would work in real
life.
There's a hole in the pantsperiod.
Yeah, hold the pants, I wouldassume so.
After hearing your questionsabout Dune and the baskets on
the back of the worm, oh, I waslike you could probably relate
to that a little bit.
This makes no logical sense.
Nate (11:49):
It doesn't mean they should.
I don't know.
Whatever do they do?
Multiple passes, you know?
Yeah do they catapult them onthere?
Shaun (11:55):
Yeah, Although it would be kind of weird having a hole
in your pants and having to likethread your tail through first
and put them on.
I mean not that hard, but itwould add kind of a weird step.
It would be weird step.
Yeah, yeah.
Anywho, there you go.
There's Toriyama's problem withTails.
Where do they go?
I had another fun Toriyamaeffect.
His favorite Dragon Ballcharacter is Piccolo, which, uh,
(12:16):
he's probably my secondfavorite behind Vegeta, just
because he has kind of a badasswith a hard to follow.
Nate (12:21):
He is a badass.
I'm Vegeta's my favorite, butyeah, vegeta's everybody's
favorite.
I think, no, no, no.
I think Policolo, or Policolo,policolo.
I don't think he's even on theboard for me, like if top you
know five, who's your top five?
Then, Uh see, I didn't even askthat Well, piccolo's not my top
five.
Shaun (12:39):
Who is, I have no idea, but not him he's number one.
Nate (12:43):
I wanna say probably it's like boo, but yeah, don't
forgive me, I'm not like.
Shaun (12:49):
Ha, it's okay, you actually know what you have to
answer.
That's just kind of Well.
I called you out on your.
Nate (12:54):
You're like I wanna know now, Well, but I just knew that
he wasn't on there.
Shaun (12:58):
Yeah, I shouldn't even say he's my second favorite, but
I know he's up there.
I just like his no-nonsenseattitude.
Nate (13:03):
Yeah, I mean honestly, I like I guess.
Shaun (13:05):
I like Frieza.
I guess I kind of like just allthe bad guys.
Nate (13:08):
Yeah yeah, cell's pretty cool, but then again I have to
tell you Cell has been affectedby all the side stuff.
You know, like there's this 3Danimation, you know.
You know what I'm talking aboutonline.
Shaun (13:21):
A home for infant losers.
Nate (13:23):
Well, there's a home for infant losers is definitely like
a good one, but there's anotherone where he's like good
friends with Kermit the Frog.
Have you seen those?
Shaun (13:31):
I have not.
You haven't seen those youshould tell me I don't know what
it is, I don't know where itcame from.
Nate (13:36):
I get a lot of clips of it , but like him and Kermit the
Frog are like buddies and it'sjust his bonkers.
It is hilarious.
Shaun (13:45):
Also, sometimes it's hard for me to pick my favorite
Dragon Ball Z characters becauseI also conflate them with the
Dragon Ball Z abridgedcharacters and it's totally
different.
Like Dragon Ball Z abridged, mrPopo might be my favorite
character almost, because, yeah,they change him up a whole lot.
Nate (13:58):
Yeah, I definitely like how they deal with him.
Shaun (14:01):
Yeah, and also Mr Popo, possibly one of the strongest
characters in all of Dragon BallZ, the whole Dragon Ball
universe.
They base it off of one scenewhere he goes up against who is
it?
It's like Vegeta and Goku'ssmallest kids show up in double
team momentum.
He whoops their butts prettymuch.
Anyways, let's get back to it.
He's the strongest ever.
(14:21):
Yeah, exactly that's how Iprove how tough I am.
I just hang outside ofelementary school, pick the
smallest one and just go to townon them.
Nate (14:30):
Show them yeah.
Shaun (14:32):
Give me your son Vajahog backpack, you little kid.
So 1993 through 1995 and theToriyama art exhibition hits
museums in Japan.
This is a pretty big deal,because he is only the second
ever manga artist to achievethis milestone.
The only other person to do it?
One of Toriyama's heroes andthe creator of Astro Boy Osama
Tazuka.
Oh, actually that dude might bethe only manga legend bigger
(14:56):
than Toriyama, I think, in JapanMaybe.
Nate (15:00):
In Japan, but not really here.
Shaun (15:01):
Yeah, no, not here because Astro Boy, wasn't that
really big over here in LIS?
Nate (15:05):
He wasn't.
I mean, I knew of him.
Yes.
Shaun (15:09):
Speed Racer was kind of the big OG one around here that
got everybody's interest.
But even then I never reallysaw Speed Racer.
Nate (15:16):
Yeah, I just.
I don't know the few times Iwatched Speed Racer, it's
whatever.
Shaun (15:20):
Static images with the mouth barely moving, yep, and
there's also great clips there,and the stories weren't even
that great either.
Nate (15:25):
Really, yeah, clips taking out context, I don't know.
One was like, oh no, my mom'sdad's like well, that sucks, get
in the car, we have a race togo.
Shaun (15:34):
Yep, that is one thing.
The style of that does lead toreally easy dubbing, or after
dubbing.
Nate (15:38):
What else is there?
Oh, I'm a racist.
You don't think what.
I'm the best racist ever.
Shaun (15:45):
May 23rd 1995.
And the manga of Dragon Ballfinally wraps up.
All done, Yay.
Toriyama can finally relax andmove on to other things.
The next year the anime DragonBall GT came out, and Toriyama
didn't have a whole lot of inputon this, as he was basically
done with Dragon Balls.
Nate (16:03):
He kind of burned out on it, but he didn't get the
blessing to go ahead.
I remember here he was like,took a step back.
Yeah, like GT is not canonbecause he didn't do it.
Shaun (16:12):
Yeah, and also, too, there's some like kind of mixed
reports that I've seen, whereit's like the official statement
from like the animationcompanies and stuff and the
mangas are always like oh, thisnew Dragon Ball thing has
Toriyama's blessing and he'sapproved all this, that, that
and he's been helping with it.
But if you actually like readToriyama's interviews, it's kind
of like when they ask about allthe new Dragon Ball stuff, like
after the manga ended andDragon Ball Z, he's just like I
(16:35):
mean, they did hit me up forlike my input on stuff, but I
just kind of rubber stamped, yes, because you know they knew
what they're doing and I didn'twant to get too much.
And again, he was basicallydone with it at the time.
Yeah.
Nate (16:46):
The stamp is like rubber stamp.
The stamp saying Exactly and hedid.
Shaun (16:50):
There was a couple of things, apparently, that he was
like yeah, I don't want you todo this, you just change this or
, you know, change the tone ofthis.
But yeah, basically you getwhat I'm saying, you get what I
am laying down.
Nate (16:59):
Why is Trunks?
Why did Trunks give him a swordfor a giant buildup?
Shaun (17:02):
No, yeah, he's running around with a Puanas stick
instead.
There you go.
Actually, puanas stick was oneof the things they used in Dr
Slump's weapon, which made mereally happy.
Nate (17:13):
Yeah, I saw that.
I saw those things like therewas Puanas stick.
Shaun (17:15):
Yeah, Puanas stick being effective weapon.
Nobody wants Puanas stickcoming after them.
Nate (17:19):
I was thinking.
When I think Puanas stick, Iwas thinking of a Uprisingism
Citizen Brigade.
You ever see that they werelike they actually went out in
the streets and they had avendor and they were advertising
Puanas stick as a deterrent forcrime.
I don't think.
Shaun (17:32):
I've seen that one.
Nate (17:33):
They're like watch.
And they just walk up tosomeone with a Puanas stick and
they're like see, look he's backin the way.
Shaun (17:41):
That probably is about how it works.
You go to Mug something andthey just have Puanas stick and
you're like, yeah, then you gotto carry around Puanas stick
with you everywhere.
Nate (17:47):
Yeah, that's the bad thing yeah.
You don't carry Puanas stick.
Shaun (17:51):
Right In 1995, this season contribute to arguably
his third greatest work ever, ormaybe his best opinion.
You are Chrono Trigger,inarguably one of the top five
JRPGs of all time.
Nate (18:03):
Yeah, it really is, inarguably one of the greatest.
I keep on being redowler for myphone so I can play it again
and actually get the character.
Shaun (18:08):
Yeah, wait, actually you know what?
That's what it was.
Oh, now you're playing on yourDS and stuff on your phone.
Nate (18:13):
I think I played on my phone.
I think so happened.
I played on my phone.
That's why I couldn't beat that.
That's why I couldn't do that.
Shaun (18:19):
I know some of those phone ports are super buggy and
crappy too, so that might be it,because I remember reading some
people being like peoplegetting really excited over the
square, break into the phonesand then immediately people
being like these are awful,these are dog crap.
Nate (18:31):
So I don't know.
I mean Tranquist.
Shaun (18:33):
We'll get you into Chrono Trigger.
Nate (18:35):
The Tranquist 9 was actually really, really good.
I played on my phone and again,that was really well done.
Shaun (18:42):
That wasn't a square game getting remade.
Nate (18:44):
Oh see, there you go.
That was one of the things.
Shaun (18:46):
Well, kind of different things, I guess, because Square
and Enix used to be differentcompanies, that's true.
They were probably the bettercompany because they knew what
their fans wanted more a curatorYama.
But yeah, some of the ChronoTrigger character designs are
amazing, especially like Majus,one of my favorite bad guys
turned good guy turneddisappointment ever in a video
game, right.
Look at me, I have the powersof a god, I can wipe out your
(19:07):
party in two spells.
Oh no, now I've joined you andI'm a weak little boy.
Nate (19:13):
I can only do bad things to good people.
If you're a bad guy, my powersare severely diminished.
Yeah, I need to re-level up.
Shaun (19:21):
That could actually be an interesting story for a
character.
I have superpowers, but theyonly work on people of pure of
heart.
Nate (19:28):
Sorry, timmy, yep, I need some extra kills.
Shaun (19:32):
So after Dragon Ball, akira Toriyama just kind of lays
low enjoying doing small workand enjoying his hobbies.
And one thing he's really intoapparently, is those plastic
models.
You know those little likeplastic models of cars and stuff
back in the winter where littlekids that you could buy and
glue together.
He's even helped design some ofthose.
I had a hot moment where I waskind of into him too.
But pro tip if you have cats,don't buy those models, because
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cats love to knock them over,especially if they're car-like
and on wheels, because they'lljust push them and watch them
slide off the tableUnapologetically and then the
cat will stare at you, be likewhat you're going to do about it
?
But there's not much you can doabout it, nate, not much at all
.
Anyway, anyways, after DragonBall he starts to do release a
few more mangas, such as 1996'sAlien X Peek, which is about an
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odd alien in his wacky hijinkswhile he's trying to invade
Earth and it actually kind ofgives invader Zim vibes.
If you want to look it up, it'sAlien X Peeky, p-e-k-e.
Yeah, it's basically an alienwho tries to invade Earth and it
finds out Earthlings are kindof weird and has hij it
literally looks a lot like aninvader Zim kind of thing.
Whether or not Zim is based offit, who knows?
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Because it's not like wackyalien invasions are a thing,
alien.
Nate (20:43):
X Peeky.
Shaun (20:44):
Yep, I mean the alien doesn't really look like Zim,
but I don't know.
Just the overall vibe from thepanels I watched.
Nate (20:49):
Yeah, I mean if it's the whole thing, like alien comes
down and tries to take a worldand it's like just kind of
living here.
Shaun (20:56):
The main reason I mentioned this manga is because
this would be the last thingToriyama would do in standard
art process as Toei.
The company would send him anew Makintosh to help with his
workflow, first mainly used forcoloring and the such, but then
you'd go on to use it for lineworking this and that, and right
after you'd get that computerwould be 1996's one shot, the
manga Tokimeka, the cover ofwhich would be the first
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instance of Toriyama usingdigital art.
Outside the digital art forthat fun fact, the pin he used
for it was the Pigma Graphic Onepin.
Fun fact I just came acrossAlso in 1996, here's a
PlayStation game I forgotexisted.
He did the art for Tobol, thefighting game.
Remember Tobol Fighting game iskind of like virtual fighter
but with like really wacky guysyou'd fight with like punk
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gorillas and stuff.
Nate (21:37):
Tobol number one.
Shaun (21:39):
Yep Tobol number one.
He also worked on 1997's Tobolnumber two, which featured Lou
Begga.
One, two, three, four, five,everybody in the ring.
Come on and fight Tobol guyanyways.
Nate (21:52):
It looks familiar, but I didn't play it Tobol.
Shaun (21:55):
I mainly remember it being one of those things that
it was like big in Japan andeverybody really wanted to copy
in America, but it was like ahard game to find and thus it's
probably worth tons of money.
In 1997, he releases a Buu-Bulland a Majin village, which was
a huge hit, winning the ShonenJump's Reader Cup award for the
year.
Kawa and Kajiko were two moreseries he did in 1997 and 1998,
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and after that was one of thebigger things that he did of
recent time, which was Sandland,which was a manga series that I
forgot to write down some stuffon, sadly, but there's actually
a video game coming out forreal soon, in fact a game that I
believe in Sandland.
Sandland yes, a book.
Back here, toyota.
I remember what Sandland isabout.
It is about a post-apocalypticwasteland where, basically, the
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king of the land has access toall the water in the world and
just hordes in as a total D-bag.
About it, this sheriff teams upwith a demon and they go on an
adventure to find new sources ofwater for everybody.
High adventures happen and theday is saved, so on and so forth
.
Apparently it's a pretty goodcomic series.
Heat yeah, if you see thepictures of it, it is very much
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Toriyama.
Nate (23:02):
Oh yeah, it's 100% Toriyama.
Yeah, yeah.
Shaun (23:04):
Yeah, you actually see his style.
You know it's him.
Nate (23:07):
I mean, he has a very distinctive style.
Shaun (23:09):
Yeah, he has very much.
Nate (23:11):
I mean just in the eyes.
You look at him and see theeyes, you're immediately like,
okay, that's Toriyama.
Shaun (23:16):
He also did the art for the Xbox 360 video game Blue
Dragon, which everybody wassuper hyped for.
But I remember being let downNot so much it was a bad game,
but it was just an average gameand everybody was hoping it
would be the next great, secondcoming of everything.
Nate (23:31):
Yeah it was.
I would work to the game store.
I'd make a game stop when Icame out and I was like, oh,
it's gonna be like new kind ofDragon Quest, and it was.
I mean it sold.
But it was just like, yeah,yeah, yeah.
Shaun (23:41):
I mean, I wanted to play it but I never got around to it.
So would you like to know whatkind of stuff Toriyama uses for
his art projects?
Nate, well, you're going tolearn either way.
Here's the fun fact he likesPilot brand ink, he likes Zebra
G pins for inking, and the typeof paper he uses is Kent brand
paper, b4 size, not A4, like alot of people use B4, which is a
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standard manga size, I guess.
And if you ever think you needexpensive fancy pens or pencils
to do your art with notnecessarily For the majority of
his career, toriyama, or themajority of the start of his
career Toriyama just used a $1mechanical pencil he bought at a
dollar store, basically thing.
And he eventually lost that penand pencil and he was super
bummed because, no matter hownice one he bought, he said it
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didn't feel the same.
That sucks, yeah, and youprobably know exactly what he's
talking about, because, eventhough it's, cheap.
He's just like yeah, he's justlike I just love the way this
pencil failed and even thoughit's a cheap one no matter what
I buy, cheap or expensive, he'sjust like.
It's just not the same thepencil he loved so much.
It used a half millimeter 2Blead.
I find all sorts of interestingthings.
Nate Also to make a paneloutline.
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He uses a crow's beak penholder slash ruling pen, which
is kind of a neat little tool.
And also he recommends hardly,when it comes to eraser choices,
using an eraser whose shavingsclump well together, because
it's much easier to clean it offwith a feather brush.
That's one of those tips thatyou're like, that actually makes
it yeah.
Nate (25:07):
Yeah, for some reason, like a literal feather pump in
my hand.
Then I realized brush, hey,moron, yeah a feathering brush,
I guess it probably was moretechnical yeah whatever.
Shaun (25:19):
Also, another advice he does and this is a smart move on
his part before moving on tothe coloring stages of his art,
he would photocopy the originalpage, just in case things went
horribly, horribly wrong.
I'm guessing he started thishabit because something once
went horribly horribly wrong.
That's sometimes how thesethings come about.
How'd you learn that neatlittle trick?
Because I messed up so manytimes.
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Right March 2005, cq MotorsCompany begins selling an
electric car designed by acaratoriyama, a one-person car
called the Q-Volt.
It's part of the company'sCoro-Q line of small electric
cars, but only nine were made.
Cost only about $19,000, though, and had top speed of 19 miles
per hour, available in fivecolors.
It's really cool.
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I mean, it's not everybody'scup of tea, but I think it looks
like one of those old roadstersfrom back in the day I would
totally drive one everywhere.
In regards to the car, it tookToriyama about a year to design,
and his quote to this is butdue to my genius mini-model
construction skills, I finallyarrived at the end of what was a
very emotional journeydesigning this car, which
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probably just means it was veryfrustrating and didn't go the
way it wanted it to.
Yeah, and right after.
This is 2006, and that's whenthe Xbox 360 Game Blue Dragon
came out.
2012, dragon Ball Z Battle ofthe Gods announced and this was
kind of important because, um,this was basically Toriyama's
first like actual, realinvolvement with a movie.
For a 70.
In about 17 years they wouldsay, and yeah, basically this
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was just his return to doingDragon Ball stuff.
How much actual input he hadinto it too.
But they very, I'm not sure,but they very proudly now it's
like a curatoriyama is returningfor this.
Yeah, hey.
And of course you know it'sDragon Ball Z in.
Everybody loves Dragon Ball Z,so it went over like gangbusters
.
So, of course, yep.
2013 to celebrate the 45thanniversary of the weekly shonen
jump, toriyama launched a newMagnus series Titled Jack-O the
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Galactic Patrol man.
This one's kind of cool becauseit actually takes place in the
Dragon Ball world, but beforethe series of Dragon Ball events
.
That happens it would be thefinal manga that Toriyama would
wrote right and illustratehimself, and he said it is also
his personal favorite work.
Yeah, I guess when Jack-O thepatrolman ends, it like ends
just as Dragon Ball.
The series is starting up andthere's like a Little bit of
overlap kind of thing.
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And I think, they even do like acouple of those things where
it's like, hey, during this bigscene in Dragon Ball, jack-o's
like in the background, we'regonna like retro, put him in
there or he had something to dowith it.
I guess it's good series, socheck that out.
2015, you should shout.
I'll see if I can find us somenice, some purchasable copies
online I can share with you.
Nate (27:48):
It's the same way.
That's the same thing, like upto it's pretty hot.
Shaun (27:53):
I spent to up to and including full cover price on
this.
2015 Dragon Ball Super isannounced and Toriyama is based
like well, I'm not much fordoing a Dragon Ball series
anymore.
You guys go right ahead and forthis, he actually decides to
hand pick a successor for theDragon Ball series, a man named
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Toyotaru.
He's a man guard as to as alifelong fan of Toriyama, and
Toriyama takes him under hiswing and molds him into the
Dragon Ball creator of thefuture.
Enjoy that crushing pressure,mr Toyotaru.
Nate (28:25):
Turn it over to yourself.
Shaun (28:26):
Yeah, yeah, and he legit.
Mr Toyotaru has legitimatelybeen a lifelong fan of Dragon
Ball.
See, he's about our age andstarted reading the original
manga back in the day.
Actually, I think he startedwith Dr Slump even, because not
only is a Dragon Ball fan, he'slike an actual you know Toriyama
fan as well, because who isn't?
2017, the Paradise Papers arereleased.
13.4 million Confidantialdocuments are released, naming
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names of people using offshoretax havens to hide their incomes
from the government.
Toriyama is one of 12 Japanesepeople named on the list, along
with Queen Elizabeth and JustinTrudeau are on this list as well
.
Well, I did some research inthat, apparently mainly what
comes down to his.
He invested in a US real estatecompany and they were the one
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doing some really shadyaccounting methods, and Whether
or not Akira Toriyama knew thatthey were doing shady stuff, who
knows?
Probably not, to be honest, cuzI'm guessing you would done a
better job, but yeah, probablyone of those things is just like
hey, I have the deal for you,you want to throw some money my
way?
And he's like, yeah, I'm rich,sure, but here's the money.
Nate (29:28):
I'm great.
Shaun (29:29):
Yeah.
So there you go, Kiritori.
Nate (29:31):
I'm a tax dodger, maybe you can't prove it one way or
the other.
Shaun (29:36):
Yes, it's late 2017 and we'll have a fun little side
story here.
The Goku vs Jiren story line ishuge in Dragon Ball Super and
it's about to pay off in bigways with the final fight
between the two Not final fightthe Capcom game anyways.
Um, and as you may or may notknow, dragon Ball is huge in
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Mexico.
It might be bigger in Mexicothan anywhere else in the world
and all of Latin America.
This kind of goes yeah, thiskind of goes back to the 80s,
and what happened was is, backin the day, american cartoons
were very expensive to get, likeGI Joe, transformers and the
such.
To get those syndicated down toMexico, that cost big bucks.
What didn't cost a lot of moneywas anime, actually, because
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you could import that fairlycheap comparatively, and so
Dragon Ball was basically gotstarted getting shown all the
time down there.
You know how, like we gotDuckTales showing on a loop
constantly.
Well, they kind of got thatDragon Ball and it got to the
point too is so popular thatthey were actually getting
Dragon Ball in Mexico and LatinAmerica before America was by a
good year or so.
Nate (30:41):
It was actually getting localized.
Shaun (30:42):
Yeah, it's getting localized there quicker than it
was up here.
So that basically leads to andjust fact, mexicans love their
Dragon Ball.
It is massive.
Everything was a few, a feverpitch for this showdown between
Goku and Jiren Jiren, thestrongest combatant that Goku
would ever face.
And this is so big that Arenasare actually hosting viewing
parties for this, some as big as15,000 people showing up at
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soccer arenas to watch thisgiant battle on a big screen.
One problem for this particularepisode, though the viewing
rights of the anime didn'treally allow for mass public
broadcastings like that,especially in Mexico.
So Bay, japan and theircompanies in the letter saying
like you're not really allowedto do this, guys, this is a
breaking a bunch of you knowimportant trade treaties and
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this and that, or broadcasttreaties.
And Mexico wrote that beinglike well, we're doing this
anyway, so what you're gonna doabout it?
Basically, the, the JapaneseGod, what's the term for it?
The diplomacy place, yeah,thank you.
The Japanese Embassy in Mexicohad like draft up a whole lot of
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paperwork and be the in-betweenman for the Mexican Government
in Japan, and at the last moment, they were basically able to
handle, hammer out a deal, belike okay, you can show it this
once.
And Things went on as plannedand all across Mexico and
Central America and LatinAmerica Are like soccer sized
arenas were showing the fight onit and people just glued to
their seats watching it.
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You're gonna actually see likeFootages of it to a thousands
upon thousands of people youknow in a theater watching it,
just losing their mind over thefight.
I should say too, the animationhas gotten really slick on some
of those newer ones.
Yeah, they've got it reallygood.
So apparently the Jiren fightpretty cool too.
I have yet to watch it, butyeah, everybody seems to really
like it also.
Nate (32:26):
I know the fact that the pussy look like see red with
bald.
Shaun (32:29):
whatever, yeah, it's kind of like, I think, red and white
, bald sort of thing, smoothyeah, I need to watch it.
Nate (32:36):
Does that yeah?
Shaun (32:37):
Yeah, I guess.
Um, he is not as strong asBroly, though I guess, according
to, I guess Broly has like ahigher ceiling, you know can
become more powerful, because Iguess Broly's got something kind
of like the Hulk, where theangrier it gets, the stronger he
gets.
Nate (32:51):
Oh, I gotcha.
Shaun (32:52):
Yeah, here's a fun fact, though Arale from Dr Slump, uh
Kiritoriama flat out says thatyes, she can beat Goku in a
fight.
And I agree, because the reasonKiritoriama says that he can
beat her in a fight on thesimple premise that she is a gag
character.
And when it comes to cartoonsand comics, you can't beat a gag
character because they can dogag character stuff like break
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the fourth wall and the such.
They are not bound to reality'slaws Makes sense.
Nate (33:18):
I mean, that's why, like you know, Bugs Bunny would be a
like a, really bad guy.
Shaun (33:21):
Exactly that's why Bugs Bunny could beat Superman.
Basically is the fact that youknow Bugs Bunny could, just you
know, reach up his butt hole andpull out Kryptonite randomly,
for no real reason.
Bet you didn't know.
That's where Kryptonite camefrom, did you, nate?
Nate (33:33):
You'll never guess where Kryptonite came from.
Shaun (33:35):
Now we come to March 8th 2024.
A Kiritoriama's familyannounces that Toriyama has
passed away one week prior, onMarch 1st.
Cause of death was an acutesubdural hematoma.
In case you don't know whatthat is, that's basically when
you get concussion so bad yourbrain bruises and starts
bleeding.
That blood will pull up in yourhead and start pushing against
your brain, kind of shoving itover to one side, causing all
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sorts of fun and bad problemsleading to eventual death.
Things that can cause this arebasically just hitting your head
really hard, can be exacerbatedby both blood thinners or being
drunk at the time of fallingover.
Nate (34:08):
That's a bummer.
Shaun (34:09):
Yeah, yeah, the actual.
What actually happened nobodyreally knows.
The family doesn't say so.
I mean honestly, my guessprobably getting out of the
bathtub had a couple of beers inhim, slipped, banged his head
on this corner of the bathtub,which, honestly, is actually way
more people died than you wouldthink.
Or even just like slipping andfalling and hitting your head,
the giant from Jack and theBeanstalk, that's how you died
in that Rick and Morty episode,remember.
Nate (34:30):
Slip fell, hit the corner table yep.
Shaun (34:32):
Laying there just twitching.
So yeah, that's bummer of a wayto go.
The world has said and he diedon March 8th 2024.
Also on March 8th 2024, 2.03 PM, g Fuel sends me a mass text
email telling people the newcaffeine free formula of their
Dragon Ball Z flavors on sale.
Get it while supplies last.
Also on March 8th 2024, 4.31 PM.
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2.30 hours later, g Fuel sendsout a mass text apologizing
profusely to everybody, sayingthat was an auto text and
pre-planned weeks in advance andthey were not trying to
disrespect Torh Elma as a namein any way.
It was a very apologetic textto Kate.
They were like hello, hold up,hold up, we know what you're
thinking.
We know what you're thinking.
So, honestly, deep down insideI have a feeling they saw that
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text about going there and justlike nah, let it go out, it'll
get people talking.
Apologize later, yeah, yeah,exactly, because I mean, you
know, got people talking abouttheir new flavor.
Whether it's the discountedflavor of Dragon Ball Z, I don't
remember what the flavor is.
There's also caffeine free.
What's the point drinking GFuel?
Nate (35:35):
on Twitter Drinking G Fuel with caffeine free.
Shaun (35:38):
Some of them taste okay, but I don't know.
I don't really like the G Fuelflavors as much as like
GamerSupps or other such things,both of which could be a
sponsor of off to off topic.
If you want to hit us up, I'llgladly tell people how awesome
you are.
If you want to give us money,my opinion is purchasable.
Tis read, and that line laterin the future is what prevents
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Sean from becoming president ofthe United States of America.
Nate (36:03):
Never mind all the other stuff.
Shaun (36:05):
Yeah, never mind all the other stuff, just that one thing
.
On Twitter, the trending topicof Curatoriaama and Dragon Ball
surpassed United StatesPresident's Joe Biden's State of
the Union address, which washeld at the same time as his
death's announcement, which itdoes not surprise me, because
nobody cares about the State ofthe Union address and everybody
cares about Dragon Ball.
Nate (36:22):
I think some people probably just skewed that, but I
think by and large it's true.
Shaun (36:25):
Yeah, I mean, I can't remember the last time I watched
the State of the Union address.
Nate (36:30):
I mean I, I, I, I, I, I, I , I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,
I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,I.
I kept the clothes notes in thevery end.
Shaun (36:40):
You know the very?
Yeah, exactly, I'll just watchwhat SNL spoofs of it and then
I'll just go off that and justtake that as gospel right, this
is what really happened.
So, yeah, Toriyama's deathhasn't announced.
Everybody is really sad.
Some of this fans are lookingfor dragon balls to this day to
revive them.
Some confused fans have evenstole his body and they're
burying it into a pet cemeteryup in rural Maine, but that was
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a pretty good impression.
Nate (37:04):
I would have a what's his face.
Shaun (37:06):
Oh, yeah, what's?
Yeah, that was a lot of lot ofstories out there on that hill.
You don't want to, yeah.
Nate (37:11):
I only know him for three things.
I know him for you know, ofcourse, monsters.
I know him for that.
And then I know him for thejudge on my cousin Vinnie.
Shaun (37:19):
My cousin Vinnie, the two Utes.
What is a Ute?
What's a Ute?
Yeah, I actually do that kindof impression like the
Northeastern.
Ah, a lot of history out there.
You don't want to go up thatway, mr Johnson.
All right, so actually that'skind of all what I got.
Nate (37:36):
Did you?
I don't remember talking aboutthe movie like the live action
American movie.
Shaun (37:40):
Oh yeah, I didn't really get into that because he didn't
really have a whole lot of inputon that.
I should have written downsomething, because well, yeah,
he just didn't like it.
Nate (37:48):
Oh, of course he hated it.
I mean because it was awful.
I mean I don't know, I just Ilike that movie because of how
bad it is, it's just it missed amark on everything.
Shaun (37:58):
Yeah, that's kind of why I didn't bring it up to Oaks,
because I mean we're doing not,we'll go over when we do a
Dragon Ball episode.
That's why I also didn't do awhole lot in Dragon Ball Z,
because I figure eventually wemight do a Dragon Ball episode.
This is more about the man,akira Toriyama.
Fair enough, yeah, plus, I didactually not to mention, I did
kind of want to look up one ofthose things to.
I wanted to see if, like beforethe live action movie came out
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with one of those things whereToriyama was like yes, I fully
approved, this will be wonderful, and then afterwards it was
like no, because sometimes thathappens, you know the movie
studio backs up a movie studiobacks up a truck full of money.
It was like hey, yeah.
Nate (38:33):
Who likes money?
Yeah, we love money.
Shaun (38:37):
Dragon Ball creator Akira Toriyama was initially
supportive of the announcementof a live action adaptation,
asked fans to treat the film asa different interpretation of
his work.
But after watching the film hewas so horrified at this
adaptation of his work that hesaid to revive the series with
the animated dot dot dot Clicklink.
Yeah, I got to scroll and findthe thing.
Chow Yun Fat was in that asRoshi was yeah, they put money
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behind that movie.
Nate (39:02):
That's the upsetting thing is they put the real money by
that movie.
It's like the people who madethe movie never clearly never
watched a show.
Shaun (39:11):
Yeah no, yeah, that came out before the Avatar movie too.
Huh, that should have been likea blowing beacon of don't mess
with the source material thatmuch.
Because, yeah, they were wayoff the mark on Dragon Ball
Evolution, way, way off, way offthe mark, way off.
I actually I never even saw it,but I saw enough of it to be
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like, oh, oh, what have theydone to my boy?
What have they done?
But, yeah, uh, apparently,according to this thing, the
response to uh Toriyama hatingthis so much is actually what
spurred him to revive the serieswith Dragon Ball Z, battle of
the Gods.
Nate (39:47):
Nope, they're gonna be talking.
Yeah, I was just wondering.
Shaun (39:48):
We were talking about the movie where they were just like
a carat.
Toriyama is back, finally, yay,which explains why they were so
up to hype at being like youhated that movie.
Nate (39:56):
Well, guess who's back to do another movie which you know
again, makes total sense.
I mean, well, it feels me Iwouldn't want to keep my like
the last thing.
I don't think it's the lastthing, but like they released
that and it's like, okay, myname's attached to this.
Whether I want to be one?
Shaun (40:09):
All right, I because you know, over time, eventually
people might be like oh yeah, ofcourse Toriyama, you know,
directed that whole thing, eventhough it doesn't say it on the
credits.
Let's see, god's destruction iswhen Beerus showed up, which
was based off of his cat Neat.
So now you know Beerus is not aone of those Egyptian hairless
cats, he's actually a CornishRex.
Nate (40:28):
Oh, okay.
Shaun (40:29):
Yeah.
Nate (40:30):
I thought it was a hairless cat.
Shaun (40:32):
Yeah, Cornish Rex might be here.
Well, let's see the Cornish RexWatch.
I'm gonna look it up and it'sgonna be like, oh, this is the
Egyptian hairless cat, Not anEgyptian hairless can sing.
The breed originates inCornwall, Great Britain.
Cornwall, where cornholing wasinvented, because you know
there's a hole in the wall.
The Cornwall's got a hole.
That's the cornhole, but if Idon't, yes.
So yeah, Cornish Rexes areactually not hairless.
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They just have very thin, finedown hair.
Some of them have very short,corally, corally, corally hair,
curly hair, corally hair.
I like corally hair.
Yeah, I like that movie, coralySue starring John Belushi or
James Belushi who was in.
Uh, let's see nine, the lastresort, a future episode of off
to off topic.
Yeah, yeah, yeah they wanna.
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Yeah, well it is.
I mean, we've got it uploaded.
Nate (41:17):
That's, that is true, yeah .
Shaun (41:19):
Yeah, yeah, we already did it.
Nate (41:21):
Sorry, as I said, I'm not.
I'm not doing well.
Shaun (41:24):
Yeah.
Yeah, you do sound kind of sick, but you're doing well though
you don't.
You don't actually sound sick,Although when I first heard you.
I yeah, well, when I firstheard you, I like he does sound
kind of sick.
But yeah, so there we go.
Nathan, that is the story of acuratorial my, his life, his
death and all sorts of fun stuffin between.
Did you learn anything?
Nate (41:42):
Actually I did.
I didn't know a lot of thestuff, but there's a lot like
more than intricacies.
And again, dragon Ball was ablind spot for me because I did
pick up to DBZ and even then,like I don't know, I didn't pay
to.
I know there's a new series,super is going on.
For a while I started watchingit.
Shaun (41:58):
The animation was kind of disappointing, but um, I've
heard Super was kind ofdepending on where you watch it,
I think.
Nate (42:06):
Yeah, I mean it's okay.
I mean it's Dragon Ball, soDragon Ball Z, I mean Dragon
Ball Z people.
You know they're there, it'sjust I don't know.
I think I would have had to saythat's a dead.
Shaun (42:15):
Yeah, I do highly recommend Dragon Ball.
Uh, abridged, it is wonderful.
Not only is it humorous, but Ialso do some very emotional
parts very well too, and also itends right after the Cell Saga,
so it's not super duper longeither.
So, yeah, yay, curatoria, thiswill be your one stop podcast
for all your knowledge andCuratoria, because not a whole
lot else to learn about them.
(42:35):
Like I said earlier, I mean wecould have gotten more into
Dragon Ball and stuff, but Iwant to focus more on actual
Toriyama and some of his otherstuff, cause most people know
Dragon Ball and there's enoughstuff there for Dragon Ball that
we could probably do a wholeepisode on it, talking about the
characters, this, that, some ofthe behind the scenes things
that happened with that.
Nate (42:53):
I mean Dragon Ball itself is like a to.
Well, I mean Dragon Ball.
Shaun (42:56):
Dragon Ball Z.
Yeah, yeah.
Nate (42:58):
And GT and all that stuff.
Yeah, dragon.
Shaun (43:00):
Ball GT, dragon Ball Super, and I think there's even
like another one out now too,potentially.
Maybe I mean it just kept ongoing.
Nate (43:07):
Yeah so.
Shaun (43:08):
Yeah, as long as it makes money, it will continue to make
more stuff.
Yes, it will, and that serieswill continue to make money for
a good long while, I have afeeling.
Oh yeah, there's also DragonBall Z Kai, which only lasted a
couple of years.
Nate (43:22):
Well, Kai was just a redoing of the first one Like
that was that one.
Shaun (43:25):
that was okay.
Nate (43:26):
Yeah, it's not, it wasn't its own series.
They just when the first, likethe, when the Saiyan saga and
the Ginyu saga and the Friezasaga came to America, it was
heavily, heavily edited.
Shaun (43:40):
Gotcha, and I heard it wasn't even that good of an
editing they did.
Really that was stupid.
Nate (43:45):
I mean like there's that one point, someone got their
head cut off and it was justlike they kind of super glued it
back on.
And then there's scenes where,like when Gilhaw's getting
beaten up, they're a cloud kindof covered it and it was just.
There was a bunch of othersmall things they did too.
It just they're sticking them.
Oh no, everyone's lived, youknow, it's just, they did their
(44:07):
best to sanitize it for Tunaami.
Shaun (44:09):
Boo.
Home for infinite losers.
Da-da-da-da-da Right.
Home for infinite losers.
Yes, because having forbiddenpeople see hell written on a
shirt or a thing.
Nate (44:20):
Go cue with that Right.
And Mr Saint, this Mr.
Shaun (44:22):
What's Mr Saint is Hercules, hercules, hercules,
there's so many dumb changes,which is funny because, if you
think about it, he is actuallythe strongest non-Z fighter
human on the planet.
Nate (44:32):
Right.
Shaun (44:32):
Yeah.
Nate (44:33):
He's also like.
They painted him as a coward,though, but then again it's like
well, is this a cowardice?
Like, yeah, you're thestrongest person on this planet,
but motherfucker can.
Like.
He also Just go to a building.
Shaun (44:45):
He netted up when he in the cell saga remember he had to
grab Android like 18's head andthrow it at cell or whatever it
was, or no, he had to throw.
Android's head sticks to go onor whatever.
He kind of sucked it up and didsome stuff there.
Also, he did actually attackcell at one point.
He just ran up and tried topunch him and got smacked and
flew a quarter mile into amountain and didn't die somehow.
Nate (45:04):
Very true, yeah, I mean yeah I guess he's one of those
like cowards until he needs tobe stepped up.
Well, I mean then again also,he only stepped up because there
was a camera there.
Shaun (45:15):
That is true.
What you're saying is that forpeople to truly be brave, they
must have a camera on them allthe time.
So our truly brave people aregoing to be the social media
influencers and the cameraalways on them.
Yeah Well, we've got enoughstuff.
Now we're kind of just rambling.
Nate (45:31):
Yeah, I need to go down.
Shaun (45:33):
I'm like yeah.
Part 2 of our series on Akira Toriyama.
In the first episode, wediscussed Toriyama's childhood,
his reason for getting into themanga industry and his
difficulties doing so.
We pick up this episode withMihane discussing Dragon Ball Z.
So there, dragon Ball Z iswhere the series goes from
whimsical adventure to atestosterone fueled fight
fighting anime.
(00:20):
It's when Goku went from littlekid to full grown adult that it
became, you know, action packedand far more fighting in this
and that.
And there's actually kind of areason for this, believe it or
not.
You want to know why Nate Do ya?
Well, the reason was is becausewhen Goku was tiny, with his
little stubby kid arms and stuff, it was actually kind of tricky
and hard to have him fightadults and keep the proportions
(00:43):
right and everything you know,trying to, you know, angle his
arms and legs and stuff you knowinside of like somebody full
grown adult.
That's actually why they gavehim a stick early on is because
these are just drawing likehitting somebody with a stick.
Then it was getting close andkicking and punching him.
So when they started to getaround this, they were just like
, well, let's just make himadult.
So he has, you know, normalproportions.
Granted, you know they stuck toit with Krillin and stuff.
(01:03):
But Well, also, you know, asKrillin didn't really do much,
Exactly, he really didn't, hehad a couple of fight scenes,
but yeah, usually Krillin goesin for the kick and then gets
leveled.
Nate (01:12):
So yeah, even kind of the same with Gohan too.
Shaun (01:14):
Off the start he would just sort of do his like powered
up, headbutt, fly at ya.
So yeah, when I read that, ittotally clicked.
They even have like picturesfrom the manga too, where it's
like a picture of young Gokufighting somebody and it's kind
of like they had to draw his leg, so it's actually like twice as
long as it normally is to makeit look good.
But in order to make that lookright, they had to like lock it
off a little bit by somebody'sgi.
You know what I'm talking about.
(01:35):
Yeah, it's like you know, ifyou break this down, goku's leg
is a lot longer.
It should be.
So anyways, they're like, hey,this is hard to draw, so let's
just make him full sized.
And Dragon Ball Z Toriyama didhave some input on that too,
which was like he had, you know,yamcha's baseball career.
He had that story that was notin the manga, added for the
anime alone.
Toriyama also helped designSnake Road and he was also.
Nate (01:59):
Yamcha is a total pus.
I mean, in comparison to therest of the Z fighters, I mean
he's like the weakest but he'sstill struggling to have
achievements.
So it was totally not fair forhim to join like a baseball
league.
Shaun (02:10):
He is, I think, like technically the second strongest
human behind Krillin on theplanet for actual, like straight
humans.
Nate (02:17):
And there's a guy, with I mean the guy with three eyes
again, like he doesn't, hedoesn't count.
Shaun (02:21):
I think he's a god or something like that.
Nate (02:23):
Okay, because again he's from Dragon Ball.
I know he shows him Dragon BallZ, him and that little baby
Chouzu.
And I mean the guy who blowshimself up with the noise.
Yeah, chouzu like well, thatsucks.
Shaun (02:35):
I don't know who he was you know.
Nate (02:37):
And then the guy with three eyes shows up like oh okay
, he's got his three eyes, sure,why not as many as anime, why
not?
So I just watched a little, youknow, the little bit of Dragon
Ball I've seen in passing.
I was like oh okay, oh okay, Isee they're introducing this guy
.
Oh, he was a bad guy originally.
I well, whatever.
So Yamcha.
Like when they first introducedPiccolo Dragon Ball Z.
(02:58):
They're like clearly there wassome kind of history there and
they kind of allude to him beinga bad guy at the beginning.
Shaun (03:03):
But it was like brief because yeah, rattus was there
the first, you just they kind oflike here the whole crowd is
here all of a sudden, justaccept it.
Nate (03:12):
Yeah, and like here he is.
They're like oh, piccolo,you're mean, you don't know, you
like.
Well, clearly he's on the sideof you're on your side now
because of Rattus.
Shaun (03:22):
Which it feels like a downgrade, because in the
original Dragon Ball part,piccolo was actually considered
a god.
Because you know they're likewho is the god of the planet?
The evil side of the god is yetKami and Piccolo, which is, you
know, good and bad gods, right,yeah, so he's got a really good
one.
Nate (03:36):
Kami was like so old he was, who cares whatever.
Shaun (03:39):
Also, too, piccolo had that cool like arm like length,
anything where he could make hisarms really long, that was
really big at the beginning ofthe series, kind of went away
and then started to become bigat the end again.
Or also his ability to makehimself huge, which I never
really saw.
The point, that, because itmakes them bigger but doesn't
make them more powerful, well,that's, yeah, this is basically
a bigger target.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Nate (03:59):
And then, of course, once you start introducing characters
that can like blow up planetsby accidentally Right.
Shaun (04:05):
Oh yeah, dude, just point two fingers forward and blow up
a planet, although I did hear.
Nate (04:10):
So I mentioned their theory.
I'm sure they didn't think ofit, but it was until just enough
that I was like you know, I'llroll this.
It's actually pretty easy.
You know the whole joke ofFrieza's like I'm gonna blow
this planet up and find likefive minutes or whatever, even
though he previously blown up aplanet in seconds and so did
Vegeta.
But he goes to blow the planetup and then meanwhile, 25
(04:33):
episodes later, the planet'sstill there and someone was
saying, well, they're fightingbut they're moving so fast that
to them was a long time.
But for like the average view,like if someone was there on the
planet, it'd be like just youknow seconds or whatever, in
minutes I guess, but they stillshow the trees blowing the same
Say one, it is true that thetime goes by faster when they're
(04:54):
fighting.
Shaun (04:54):
Two, it doesn't work for that scene because there's
plenty of times where they zipover to, like the Namek towns,
and everybody's just talking,acting normally.
Nate (05:00):
So yeah, it's like I wanted.
I wanted to go.
Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
But the moment you start putsome real pressure on that, okay
, thinking it's like now.
Shaun (05:09):
Here's my theory too.
You'll like this one better.
It's Frieza, is doing the oldschool villain thing like Red
Death from Venture Brothers.
Was his name Red Death, redSkull, red Skeleton or whatever?
Nate (05:19):
Yeah, yeah.
Shaun (05:20):
It's just like I gotta build up the suspense for it.
I'll blow up this planet slowly, tick tock, tick tock.
Will I blow it up now or soon?
You have a time limit.
Panic now, mortals, I mean.
So that seems kind of frizzy,doesn't it?
Nate (05:36):
And I think actually that's more Frieza.
I mean, I don't know, I thinkhe's more of a, I think he's
less a mustachioed villain tyingpeople to turn to act some more
, just like I'm gonna blow thisplace up.
Yeah, oh, that they have thatticked on the mad bomber who
bombs at midnight.
Shaun (05:54):
Mad bomber.
What bombs at midnight.
There you go, yeah, oh yeah.
Dragon Ball Z a bridge toactually have had a reason for
the freeze, a thing that we weretalking about, but I don't
remember what their rationalewas.
Nate (06:04):
it behind it was behind it that really is like I think it
was literally just like hey,freeze the catch.
Shaun (06:10):
you just blow this up quickly like shut up, that's why
, or something like that.
Nate (06:13):
Yeah, which is good enough reasons they.
I like their interpretationwhat happened way better.
Shaun (06:19):
Dragon Ball Z a bridge is the best way to watch it.
Everybody listening to thisright now go on YouTube and
watch Dragon Ball Z Abridge.
Here's the thing.
The first season is kind ofrough, but it gets better really
quick.
And also keep in mind this thefirst season.
Well, the whole thing is justdone by a very small group of
people on like a very limitedbudget.
So, all things considered, eventheir roughest episodes are
(06:40):
really good quality, all thingsconsidered.
Nate (06:42):
Yeah, you two the very first, hmm good.
Shaun (06:45):
Oh, I was gonna say the very first scene too is that
when Radis flies down andcrashes in front of that farmer,
the farmer like runs angles.
Oh no, not my weed farm.
Nate (06:54):
Anyways, good.
Oh, just I was flashed toVegeta's laying there and I
don't remember the scene.
But like the geez in the waterand he's like, says some, what
is this feeling?
The feeling of pride andsomebody else.
Unfortunately, it'sovershadowed by my Rage.
Shaun (07:13):
They actually make Vegeta such a good and layered
character in that.
Also one thing about Yamcha,too, that he has over most
people.
He actually got to have sexwith Bulma.
So there's that.
Oh, there you go.
Yeah, he always gets to holdthat over Vegeta's head too.
Nate (07:28):
And why Vegeta doesn't kill him like even off, like
offhand.
Shaun (07:30):
I was like, oh, I'm sorry , I didn't mean to blow up his
house with him in it and I thinkit was a dragon ball Z, a
bridged Vegeta miss it becausehe respects Yamcha, because he's
so weak, yet he still showssass towards Vegeta.
He still has the ability totalk back.
He's like you know what, Icould kill you in a heartbeat,
but I respect the fact that youjust tell me off anyways, kind
(07:51):
of thing.
That's great, yeah.
So here's a fun fact like we'retalking about in the manga
there is no dragon ball Z, onlydragon ball and zoo.
Uh, there is no dragon ball,only zoo.
Apparently, the reason for thedragon ball Z coming about is
actually sort of clever.
(08:12):
So see, when they're doing theDragon ball anime, the actual
cartoon, every time they werelike Negotiating off their
original contract.
So, you know, the dragon ballanime came out.
They're like, hey, we're gonnado an anime on this.
And you know, as all studentsare like, this will probably be
a hit, but we're not sure, sowe're not gonna give you a ton
of money right off the bat,right?
So, anyways, as dragon ball goesalong and gets more and more
(08:34):
popular, they only have so muchnegotiating power off the base
contracts.
They're like, hey, we're gonnago over to this big transition.
Now we cancel the dragon ballseries relaunches, dragon ball Z
, get a brand new contract tostart out with and we can
negotiate off of that one andstart getting more money.
So basically, if they had keptit as dragon ball, they would
have still had their initiallike Face line contract they'd
(08:55):
have to negotiate off of fromway back, when that wasn't that
much.
But rebooting is dragon balls.
You'd be like, hey, we'rerestarting this and you know how
popular it is, so give us, giveus, give us money, lots of it.
It's kind of like an Elviralevel move for negotiating on
that.
Remember she just kind of likenickel and dimes all the rights
away from them.
Nate (09:10):
Yeah, we can't pay you more money.
Shaun (09:11):
They're like yeah, check out that episode of off-topic on
Elvira.
So here is a little fun sidefact.
You will see a meme that saysafter every new dragon ball Z
release, there's a two-day dipin Mexican cartel crime.
There's no hard evidence ofthis, though, and also, if you
want to go conspiracy theorymode, some people think that the
cartel put out that mean tohumanize them and make them seem
like not such bad guys.
Nate (09:33):
So we killed your family, but we're not that bad guys.
Shaun (09:35):
Hey, well, he's like hey, big old gang war over drugs, oh
, that's bad.
Big old gang war over argumentof dragon ball Z.
I can see that.
Yeah, I mean honestly, itsounds stupid, but it kind is
yeah, uh, who's better?
Yamcha Vegeta.
Nate (09:51):
Well, that's not even question.
I think, anybody.
Shaun (09:55):
I guess I should say who's a better, who who is a
better spouse to Bulma see, herewe go.
Nate (10:00):
We're going to the territory I'm not that familiar
with, but I would say Vegeta.
But uh, he was the one to putthe baby in her, very true, I
mean, he also disappeared a lot.
Shaun (10:08):
So here's another fun fact.
You remember how Goku had atail at the whole start of the
thing, the whole dragon balladventure?
Yep, eventually the tail getsremoved and uh, do you want to
know why this is Nate?
He hated drawing it, sort of.
Do you want to know the reasonwhy he hated drawing it?
Because it looked like a penis?
No, I never thought it lookedlike a penis.
(10:30):
I mean, maybe it looks like.
Maybe it looks like.
Nate (10:32):
I mean I don't really think so either, but it's like
it's a long shaft thing.
Shaun (10:36):
And now we know what Nate's penis looks like.
It looks like Goku's tail longas a rapper around my waist.
Nate (10:41):
Yeah, yes haha, I Try to look at these sexy ladies for
fear of like smacking the body.
Shaun (10:49):
Just get a wreck to your tail or your penis, just like
unwraps around your whole face.
All right, so the reasonToriyama Got rid of the tail,
it's not because it's too hardto draw, but because Toriyama
thinks a little too much.
This is something you mightrelate to, nate, especially
after our recent Duneconversation.
(11:10):
Quote from Toriyama.
This is his direct quote.
Hmm, it's just that I'm alwaysthinking about how things are
supposed to work.
So it was a real pain to figureout how he had put his pants on
or stuff like that.
That always bugged me the most.
Is there a hole in the pants?
Does he?
Does he out his tail throughthe hole first, then put the
pants on?
So that just made me want toget rid of the darn thing, which
(11:31):
I did.
So, yeah, basically drawing it.
He just had too many questionson how a tail would work in real
life.
There's a hole in the pantsperiod.
Yeah, hold the pants, I wouldassume so.
After hearing your questionsabout Dune and the baskets on
the back of the worm, oh, I waslike you could probably relate
to that a little bit.
This makes no logical sense.
Nate (11:49):
It doesn't mean they should.
I don't know.
Whatever do they do?
Multiple passes, you know?
Yeah do they catapult them onthere?
Shaun (11:55):
Yeah, Although it would be kind of weird having a hole
in your pants and having to likethread your tail through first
and put them on.
I mean not that hard, but itwould add kind of a weird step.
It would be weird step.
Yeah, yeah.
Anywho, there you go.
There's Toriyama's problem withTails.
Where do they go?
I had another fun Toriyamaeffect.
His favorite Dragon Ballcharacter is Piccolo, which, uh,
(12:16):
he's probably my secondfavorite behind Vegeta, just
because he has kind of a badasswith a hard to follow.
Nate (12:21):
He is a badass.
I'm Vegeta's my favorite, butyeah, vegeta's everybody's
favorite.
I think, no, no, no.
I think Policolo, or Policolo,policolo.
I don't think he's even on theboard for me, like if top you
know five, who's your top five?
Then, Uh see, I didn't even askthat Well, piccolo's not my top
five.
Shaun (12:39):
Who is, I have no idea, but not him he's number one.
Nate (12:43):
I wanna say probably it's like boo, but yeah, don't
forgive me, I'm not like.
Shaun (12:49):
Ha, it's okay, you actually know what you have to
answer.
That's just kind of Well.
I called you out on your.
Nate (12:54):
You're like I wanna know now, Well, but I just knew that
he wasn't on there.
Shaun (12:58):
Yeah, I shouldn't even say he's my second favorite, but
I know he's up there.
I just like his no-nonsenseattitude.
Nate (13:03):
Yeah, I mean honestly, I like I guess.
Shaun (13:05):
I like Frieza.
I guess I kind of like just allthe bad guys.
Nate (13:08):
Yeah yeah, cell's pretty cool, but then again I have to
tell you Cell has been affectedby all the side stuff.
You know, like there's this 3Danimation, you know.
You know what I'm talking aboutonline.
Shaun (13:21):
A home for infant losers.
Nate (13:23):
Well, there's a home for infant losers is definitely like
a good one, but there's anotherone where he's like good
friends with Kermit the Frog.
Have you seen those?
Shaun (13:31):
I have not.
You haven't seen those youshould tell me I don't know what
it is, I don't know where itcame from.
Nate (13:36):
I get a lot of clips of it , but like him and Kermit the
Frog are like buddies and it'sjust his bonkers.
It is hilarious.
Shaun (13:45):
Also, sometimes it's hard for me to pick my favorite
Dragon Ball Z characters becauseI also conflate them with the
Dragon Ball Z abridgedcharacters and it's totally
different.
Like Dragon Ball Z abridged, mrPopo might be my favorite
character almost, because, yeah,they change him up a whole lot.
Nate (13:58):
Yeah, I definitely like how they deal with him.
Shaun (14:01):
Yeah, and also Mr Popo, possibly one of the strongest
characters in all of Dragon BallZ, the whole Dragon Ball
universe.
They base it off of one scenewhere he goes up against who is
it?
It's like Vegeta and Goku'ssmallest kids show up in double
team momentum.
He whoops their butts prettymuch.
Anyways, let's get back to it.
He's the strongest ever.
(14:21):
Yeah, exactly that's how Iprove how tough I am.
I just hang outside ofelementary school, pick the
smallest one and just go to townon them.
Nate (14:30):
Show them yeah.
Shaun (14:32):
Give me your son Vajahog backpack, you little kid.
So 1993 through 1995 and theToriyama art exhibition hits
museums in Japan.
This is a pretty big deal,because he is only the second
ever manga artist to achievethis milestone.
The only other person to do it?
One of Toriyama's heroes andthe creator of Astro Boy Osama
Tazuka.
Oh, actually that dude might bethe only manga legend bigger
(14:56):
than Toriyama, I think, in JapanMaybe.
Nate (15:00):
In Japan, but not really here.
Shaun (15:01):
Yeah, no, not here because Astro Boy, wasn't that
really big over here in LIS?
Nate (15:05):
He wasn't.
I mean, I knew of him.
Yes.
Shaun (15:09):
Speed Racer was kind of the big OG one around here that
got everybody's interest.
But even then I never reallysaw Speed Racer.
Nate (15:16):
Yeah, I just.
I don't know the few times Iwatched Speed Racer, it's
whatever.
Shaun (15:20):
Static images with the mouth barely moving, yep, and
there's also great clips there,and the stories weren't even
that great either.
Nate (15:25):
Really, yeah, clips taking out context, I don't know.
One was like, oh no, my mom'sdad's like well, that sucks, get
in the car, we have a race togo.
Shaun (15:34):
Yep, that is one thing.
The style of that does lead toreally easy dubbing, or after
dubbing.
Nate (15:38):
What else is there?
Oh, I'm a racist.
You don't think what.
I'm the best racist ever.
Shaun (15:45):
May 23rd 1995.
And the manga of Dragon Ballfinally wraps up.
All done, Yay.
Toriyama can finally relax andmove on to other things.
The next year the anime DragonBall GT came out, and Toriyama
didn't have a whole lot of inputon this, as he was basically
done with Dragon Balls.
Nate (16:03):
He kind of burned out on it, but he didn't get the
blessing to go ahead.
I remember here he was like,took a step back.
Yeah, like GT is not canonbecause he didn't do it.
Shaun (16:12):
Yeah, and also, too, there's some like kind of mixed
reports that I've seen, whereit's like the official statement
from like the animationcompanies and stuff and the
mangas are always like oh, thisnew Dragon Ball thing has
Toriyama's blessing and he'sapproved all this, that, that
and he's been helping with it.
But if you actually like readToriyama's interviews, it's kind
of like when they ask about allthe new Dragon Ball stuff, like
after the manga ended andDragon Ball Z, he's just like I
(16:35):
mean, they did hit me up forlike my input on stuff, but I
just kind of rubber stamped, yes, because you know they knew
what they're doing and I didn'twant to get too much.
And again, he was basicallydone with it at the time.
Yeah.
Nate (16:46):
The stamp is like rubber stamp.
The stamp saying Exactly and hedid.
Shaun (16:50):
There was a couple of things, apparently, that he was
like yeah, I don't want you todo this, you just change this or
, you know, change the tone ofthis.
But yeah, basically you getwhat I'm saying, you get what I
am laying down.
Nate (16:59):
Why is Trunks?
Why did Trunks give him a swordfor a giant buildup?
Shaun (17:02):
No, yeah, he's running around with a Puanas stick
instead.
There you go.
Actually, puanas stick was oneof the things they used in Dr
Slump's weapon, which made mereally happy.
Nate (17:13):
Yeah, I saw that.
I saw those things like therewas Puanas stick.
Shaun (17:15):
Yeah, Puanas stick being effective weapon.
Nobody wants Puanas stickcoming after them.
Nate (17:19):
I was thinking.
When I think Puanas stick, Iwas thinking of a Uprisingism
Citizen Brigade.
You ever see that they werelike they actually went out in
the streets and they had avendor and they were advertising
Puanas stick as a deterrent forcrime.
I don't think.
Shaun (17:32):
I've seen that one.
Nate (17:33):
They're like watch.
And they just walk up tosomeone with a Puanas stick and
they're like see, look he's backin the way.
Shaun (17:41):
That probably is about how it works.
You go to Mug something andthey just have Puanas stick and
you're like, yeah, then you gotto carry around Puanas stick
with you everywhere.
Nate (17:47):
Yeah, that's the bad thing yeah.
You don't carry Puanas stick.
Shaun (17:51):
Right In 1995, this season contribute to arguably
his third greatest work ever, ormaybe his best opinion.
You are Chrono Trigger,inarguably one of the top five
JRPGs of all time.
Nate (18:03):
Yeah, it really is, inarguably one of the greatest.
I keep on being redowler for myphone so I can play it again
and actually get the character.
Shaun (18:08):
Yeah, wait, actually you know what?
That's what it was.
Oh, now you're playing on yourDS and stuff on your phone.
Nate (18:13):
I think I played on my phone.
I think so happened.
I played on my phone.
That's why I couldn't beat that.
That's why I couldn't do that.
Shaun (18:19):
I know some of those phone ports are super buggy and
crappy too, so that might be it,because I remember reading some
people being like peoplegetting really excited over the
square, break into the phonesand then immediately people
being like these are awful,these are dog crap.
Nate (18:31):
So I don't know.
I mean Tranquist.
Shaun (18:33):
We'll get you into Chrono Trigger.
Nate (18:35):
The Tranquist 9 was actually really, really good.
I played on my phone and again,that was really well done.
Shaun (18:42):
That wasn't a square game getting remade.
Nate (18:44):
Oh see, there you go.
That was one of the things.
Shaun (18:46):
Well, kind of different things, I guess, because Square
and Enix used to be differentcompanies, that's true.
They were probably the bettercompany because they knew what
their fans wanted more a curatorYama.
But yeah, some of the ChronoTrigger character designs are
amazing, especially like Majus,one of my favorite bad guys
turned good guy turneddisappointment ever in a video
game, right.
Look at me, I have the powersof a god, I can wipe out your
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party in two spells.
Oh no, now I've joined you andI'm a weak little boy.
Nate (19:13):
I can only do bad things to good people.
If you're a bad guy, my powersare severely diminished.
Yeah, I need to re-level up.
Shaun (19:21):
That could actually be an interesting story for a
character.
I have superpowers, but theyonly work on people of pure of
heart.
Nate (19:28):
Sorry, timmy, yep, I need some extra kills.
Shaun (19:32):
So after Dragon Ball, akira Toriyama just kind of lays
low enjoying doing small workand enjoying his hobbies.
And one thing he's really intoapparently, is those plastic
models.
You know those little likeplastic models of cars and stuff
back in the winter where littlekids that you could buy and
glue together.
He's even helped design some ofthose.
I had a hot moment where I waskind of into him too.
But pro tip if you have cats,don't buy those models, because
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cats love to knock them over,especially if they're car-like
and on wheels, because they'lljust push them and watch them
slide off the tableUnapologetically and then the
cat will stare at you, be likewhat you're going to do about it
?
But there's not much you can doabout it, nate, not much at all
.
Anyway, anyways, after DragonBall he starts to do release a
few more mangas, such as 1996'sAlien X Peek, which is about an
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odd alien in his wacky hijinkswhile he's trying to invade
Earth and it actually kind ofgives invader Zim vibes.
If you want to look it up, it'sAlien X Peeky, p-e-k-e.
Yeah, it's basically an alienwho tries to invade Earth and it
finds out Earthlings are kindof weird and has hij it
literally looks a lot like aninvader Zim kind of thing.
Whether or not Zim is based offit, who knows?
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Because it's not like wackyalien invasions are a thing,
alien.
Nate (20:43):
X Peeky.
Shaun (20:44):
Yep, I mean the alien doesn't really look like Zim,
but I don't know.
Just the overall vibe from thepanels I watched.
Nate (20:49):
Yeah, I mean if it's the whole thing, like alien comes
down and tries to take a worldand it's like just kind of
living here.
Shaun (20:56):
The main reason I mentioned this manga is because
this would be the last thingToriyama would do in standard
art process as Toei.
The company would send him anew Makintosh to help with his
workflow, first mainly used forcoloring and the such, but then
you'd go on to use it for lineworking this and that, and right
after you'd get that computerwould be 1996's one shot, the
manga Tokimeka, the cover ofwhich would be the first
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instance of Toriyama usingdigital art.
Outside the digital art forthat fun fact, the pin he used
for it was the Pigma Graphic Onepin.
Fun fact I just came acrossAlso in 1996, here's a
PlayStation game I forgotexisted.
He did the art for Tobol, thefighting game.
Remember Tobol Fighting game iskind of like virtual fighter
but with like really wacky guysyou'd fight with like punk
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gorillas and stuff.
Nate (21:37):
Tobol number one.
Shaun (21:39):
Yep Tobol number one.
He also worked on 1997's Tobolnumber two, which featured Lou
Begga.
One, two, three, four, five,everybody in the ring.
Come on and fight Tobol guyanyways.
Nate (21:52):
It looks familiar, but I didn't play it Tobol.
Shaun (21:55):
I mainly remember it being one of those things that
it was like big in Japan andeverybody really wanted to copy
in America, but it was like ahard game to find and thus it's
probably worth tons of money.
In 1997, he releases a Buu-Bulland a Majin village, which was
a huge hit, winning the ShonenJump's Reader Cup award for the
year.
Kawa and Kajiko were two moreseries he did in 1997 and 1998,
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and after that was one of thebigger things that he did of
recent time, which was Sandland,which was a manga series that I
forgot to write down some stuffon, sadly, but there's actually
a video game coming out forreal soon, in fact a game that I
believe in Sandland.
Sandland yes, a book.
Back here, toyota.
I remember what Sandland isabout.
It is about a post-apocalypticwasteland where, basically, the
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king of the land has access toall the water in the world and
just hordes in as a total D-bag.
About it, this sheriff teams upwith a demon and they go on an
adventure to find new sources ofwater for everybody.
High adventures happen and theday is saved, so on and so forth
.
Apparently it's a pretty goodcomic series.
Heat yeah, if you see thepictures of it, it is very much
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Toriyama.
Nate (23:02):
Oh yeah, it's 100% Toriyama.
Yeah, yeah.
Shaun (23:04):
Yeah, you actually see his style.
You know it's him.
Nate (23:07):
I mean, he has a very distinctive style.
Shaun (23:09):
Yeah, he has very much.
Nate (23:11):
I mean just in the eyes.
You look at him and see theeyes, you're immediately like,
okay, that's Toriyama.
Shaun (23:16):
He also did the art for the Xbox 360 video game Blue
Dragon, which everybody wassuper hyped for.
But I remember being let downNot so much it was a bad game,
but it was just an average gameand everybody was hoping it
would be the next great, secondcoming of everything.
Nate (23:31):
Yeah it was.
I would work to the game store.
I'd make a game stop when Icame out and I was like, oh,
it's gonna be like new kind ofDragon Quest, and it was.
I mean it sold.
But it was just like, yeah,yeah, yeah.
Shaun (23:41):
I mean, I wanted to play it but I never got around to it.
So would you like to know whatkind of stuff Toriyama uses for
his art projects?
Nate, well, you're going tolearn either way.
Here's the fun fact he likesPilot brand ink, he likes Zebra
G pins for inking, and the typeof paper he uses is Kent brand
paper, b4 size, not A4, like alot of people use B4, which is a
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standard manga size, I guess.
And if you ever think you needexpensive fancy pens or pencils
to do your art with notnecessarily For the majority of
his career, toriyama, or themajority of the start of his
career Toriyama just used a $1mechanical pencil he bought at a
dollar store, basically thing.
And he eventually lost that penand pencil and he was super
bummed because, no matter hownice one he bought, he said it
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didn't feel the same.
That sucks, yeah, and youprobably know exactly what he's
talking about, because, eventhough it's, cheap.
He's just like yeah, he's justlike I just love the way this
pencil failed and even thoughit's a cheap one no matter what
I buy, cheap or expensive, he'sjust like.
It's just not the same thepencil he loved so much.
It used a half millimeter 2Blead.
I find all sorts of interestingthings.
Nate Also to make a paneloutline.
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He uses a crow's beak penholder slash ruling pen, which
is kind of a neat little tool.
And also he recommends hardly,when it comes to eraser choices,
using an eraser whose shavingsclump well together, because
it's much easier to clean it offwith a feather brush.
That's one of those tips thatyou're like, that actually makes
it yeah.
Nate (25:07):
Yeah, for some reason, like a literal feather pump in
my hand.
Then I realized brush, hey,moron, yeah a feathering brush,
I guess it probably was moretechnical yeah whatever.
Shaun (25:19):
Also, another advice he does and this is a smart move on
his part before moving on tothe coloring stages of his art,
he would photocopy the originalpage, just in case things went
horribly, horribly wrong.
I'm guessing he started thishabit because something once
went horribly horribly wrong.
That's sometimes how thesethings come about.
How'd you learn that neatlittle trick?
Because I messed up so manytimes.
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Right March 2005, cq MotorsCompany begins selling an
electric car designed by acaratoriyama, a one-person car
called the Q-Volt.
It's part of the company'sCoro-Q line of small electric
cars, but only nine were made.
Cost only about $19,000, though, and had top speed of 19 miles
per hour, available in fivecolors.
It's really cool.
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I mean, it's not everybody'scup of tea, but I think it looks
like one of those old roadstersfrom back in the day I would
totally drive one everywhere.
In regards to the car, it tookToriyama about a year to design,
and his quote to this is butdue to my genius mini-model
construction skills, I finallyarrived at the end of what was a
very emotional journeydesigning this car, which
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probably just means it was veryfrustrating and didn't go the
way it wanted it to.
Yeah, and right after.
This is 2006, and that's whenthe Xbox 360 Game Blue Dragon
came out.
2012, dragon Ball Z Battle ofthe Gods announced and this was
kind of important because, um,this was basically Toriyama's
first like actual, realinvolvement with a movie.
For a 70.
In about 17 years they wouldsay, and yeah, basically this
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was just his return to doingDragon Ball stuff.
How much actual input he hadinto it too.
But they very, I'm not sure,but they very proudly now it's
like a curatoriyama is returningfor this.
Yeah, hey.
And of course you know it'sDragon Ball Z in.
Everybody loves Dragon Ball Z,so it went over like gangbusters
.
So, of course, yep.
2013 to celebrate the 45thanniversary of the weekly shonen
jump, toriyama launched a newMagnus series Titled Jack-O the
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Galactic Patrol man.
This one's kind of cool becauseit actually takes place in the
Dragon Ball world, but beforethe series of Dragon Ball events
.
That happens it would be thefinal manga that Toriyama would
wrote right and illustratehimself, and he said it is also
his personal favorite work.
Yeah, I guess when Jack-O thepatrolman ends, it like ends
just as Dragon Ball.
The series is starting up andthere's like a Little bit of
overlap kind of thing.
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And I think, they even do like acouple of those things where
it's like, hey, during this bigscene in Dragon Ball, jack-o's
like in the background, we'regonna like retro, put him in
there or he had something to dowith it.
I guess it's good series, socheck that out.
2015, you should shout.
I'll see if I can find us somenice, some purchasable copies
online I can share with you.
Nate (27:48):
It's the same way.
That's the same thing, like upto it's pretty hot.
Shaun (27:53):
I spent to up to and including full cover price on
this.
2015 Dragon Ball Super isannounced and Toriyama is based
like well, I'm not much fordoing a Dragon Ball series
anymore.
You guys go right ahead and forthis, he actually decides to
hand pick a successor for theDragon Ball series, a man named
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Toyotaru.
He's a man guard as to as alifelong fan of Toriyama, and
Toriyama takes him under hiswing and molds him into the
Dragon Ball creator of thefuture.
Enjoy that crushing pressure,mr Toyotaru.
Nate (28:25):
Turn it over to yourself.
Shaun (28:26):
Yeah, yeah, and he legit.
Mr Toyotaru has legitimatelybeen a lifelong fan of Dragon
Ball.
See, he's about our age andstarted reading the original
manga back in the day.
Actually, I think he startedwith Dr Slump even, because not
only is a Dragon Ball fan, he'slike an actual you know Toriyama
fan as well, because who isn't?
2017, the Paradise Papers arereleased.
13.4 million Confidantialdocuments are released, naming
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names of people using offshoretax havens to hide their incomes
from the government.
Toriyama is one of 12 Japanesepeople named on the list, along
with Queen Elizabeth and JustinTrudeau are on this list as well
.
Well, I did some research inthat, apparently mainly what
comes down to his.
He invested in a US real estatecompany and they were the one
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doing some really shadyaccounting methods, and Whether
or not Akira Toriyama knew thatthey were doing shady stuff, who
knows?
Probably not, to be honest, cuzI'm guessing you would done a
better job, but yeah, probablyone of those things is just like
hey, I have the deal for you,you want to throw some money my
way?
And he's like, yeah, I'm rich,sure, but here's the money.
Nate (29:28):
I'm great.
Shaun (29:29):
Yeah.
So there you go, Kiritori.
Nate (29:31):
I'm a tax dodger, maybe you can't prove it one way or
the other.
Shaun (29:36):
Yes, it's late 2017 and we'll have a fun little side
story here.
The Goku vs Jiren story line ishuge in Dragon Ball Super and
it's about to pay off in bigways with the final fight
between the two Not final fightthe Capcom game anyways.
Um, and as you may or may notknow, dragon Ball is huge in
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Mexico.
It might be bigger in Mexicothan anywhere else in the world
and all of Latin America.
This kind of goes yeah, thiskind of goes back to the 80s,
and what happened was is, backin the day, american cartoons
were very expensive to get, likeGI Joe, transformers and the
such.
To get those syndicated down toMexico, that cost big bucks.
What didn't cost a lot of moneywas anime, actually, because
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you could import that fairlycheap comparatively, and so
Dragon Ball was basically gotstarted getting shown all the
time down there.
You know how, like we gotDuckTales showing on a loop
constantly.
Well, they kind of got thatDragon Ball and it got to the
point too is so popular thatthey were actually getting
Dragon Ball in Mexico and LatinAmerica before America was by a
good year or so.
Nate (30:41):
It was actually getting localized.
Shaun (30:42):
Yeah, it's getting localized there quicker than it
was up here.
So that basically leads to andjust fact, mexicans love their
Dragon Ball.
It is massive.
Everything was a few, a feverpitch for this showdown between
Goku and Jiren Jiren, thestrongest combatant that Goku
would ever face.
And this is so big that Arenasare actually hosting viewing
parties for this, some as big as15,000 people showing up at
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soccer arenas to watch thisgiant battle on a big screen.
One problem for this particularepisode, though the viewing
rights of the anime didn'treally allow for mass public
broadcastings like that,especially in Mexico.
So Bay, japan and theircompanies in the letter saying
like you're not really allowedto do this, guys, this is a
breaking a bunch of you knowimportant trade treaties and
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this and that, or broadcasttreaties.
And Mexico wrote that beinglike well, we're doing this
anyway, so what you're gonna doabout it?
Basically, the, the JapaneseGod, what's the term for it?
The diplomacy place, yeah,thank you.
The Japanese Embassy in Mexicohad like draft up a whole lot of
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paperwork and be the in-betweenman for the Mexican Government
in Japan, and at the last moment, they were basically able to
handle, hammer out a deal, belike okay, you can show it this
once.
And Things went on as plannedand all across Mexico and
Central America and LatinAmerica Are like soccer sized
arenas were showing the fight onit and people just glued to
their seats watching it.
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You're gonna actually see likeFootages of it to a thousands
upon thousands of people youknow in a theater watching it,
just losing their mind over thefight.
I should say too, the animationhas gotten really slick on some
of those newer ones.
Yeah, they've got it reallygood.
So apparently the Jiren fightpretty cool too.
I have yet to watch it, butyeah, everybody seems to really
like it also.
Nate (32:26):
I know the fact that the pussy look like see red with
bald.
Shaun (32:29):
whatever, yeah, it's kind of like, I think, red and white
, bald sort of thing, smoothyeah, I need to watch it.
Nate (32:36):
Does that yeah?
Shaun (32:37):
Yeah, I guess.
Um, he is not as strong asBroly, though I guess, according
to, I guess Broly has like ahigher ceiling, you know can
become more powerful, because Iguess Broly's got something kind
of like the Hulk, where theangrier it gets, the stronger he
gets.
Nate (32:51):
Oh, I gotcha.
Shaun (32:52):
Yeah, here's a fun fact, though Arale from Dr Slump, uh
Kiritoriama flat out says thatyes, she can beat Goku in a
fight.
And I agree, because the reasonKiritoriama says that he can
beat her in a fight on thesimple premise that she is a gag
character.
And when it comes to cartoonsand comics, you can't beat a gag
character because they can dogag character stuff like break
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the fourth wall and the such.
They are not bound to reality'slaws Makes sense.
Nate (33:18):
I mean, that's why, like you know, Bugs Bunny would be a
like a, really bad guy.
Shaun (33:21):
Exactly that's why Bugs Bunny could beat Superman.
Basically is the fact that youknow Bugs Bunny could, just you
know, reach up his butt hole andpull out Kryptonite randomly,
for no real reason.
Bet you didn't know.
That's where Kryptonite camefrom, did you, nate?
Nate (33:33):
You'll never guess where Kryptonite came from.
Shaun (33:35):
Now we come to March 8th 2024.
A Kiritoriama's familyannounces that Toriyama has
passed away one week prior, onMarch 1st.
Cause of death was an acutesubdural hematoma.
In case you don't know whatthat is, that's basically when
you get concussion so bad yourbrain bruises and starts
bleeding.
That blood will pull up in yourhead and start pushing against
your brain, kind of shoving itover to one side, causing all
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sorts of fun and bad problemsleading to eventual death.
Things that can cause this arebasically just hitting your head
really hard, can be exacerbatedby both blood thinners or being
drunk at the time of fallingover.
Nate (34:08):
That's a bummer.
Shaun (34:09):
Yeah, yeah, the actual.
What actually happened nobodyreally knows.
The family doesn't say so.
I mean honestly, my guessprobably getting out of the
bathtub had a couple of beers inhim, slipped, banged his head
on this corner of the bathtub,which, honestly, is actually way
more people died than you wouldthink.
Or even just like slipping andfalling and hitting your head,
the giant from Jack and theBeanstalk, that's how you died
in that Rick and Morty episode,remember.
Nate (34:30):
Slip fell, hit the corner table yep.
Shaun (34:32):
Laying there just twitching.
So yeah, that's bummer of a wayto go.
The world has said and he diedon March 8th 2024.
Also on March 8th 2024, 2.03 PM, g Fuel sends me a mass text
email telling people the newcaffeine free formula of their
Dragon Ball Z flavors on sale.
Get it while supplies last.
Also on March 8th 2024, 4.31 PM.
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2.30 hours later, g Fuel sendsout a mass text apologizing
profusely to everybody, sayingthat was an auto text and
pre-planned weeks in advance andthey were not trying to
disrespect Torh Elma as a namein any way.
It was a very apologetic textto Kate.
They were like hello, hold up,hold up, we know what you're
thinking.
We know what you're thinking.
So, honestly, deep down insideI have a feeling they saw that
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text about going there and justlike nah, let it go out, it'll
get people talking.
Apologize later, yeah, yeah,exactly, because I mean, you
know, got people talking abouttheir new flavor.
Whether it's the discountedflavor of Dragon Ball Z, I don't
remember what the flavor is.
There's also caffeine free.
What's the point drinking GFuel?
Nate (35:35):
on Twitter Drinking G Fuel with caffeine free.
Shaun (35:38):
Some of them taste okay, but I don't know.
I don't really like the G Fuelflavors as much as like
GamerSupps or other such things,both of which could be a
sponsor of off to off topic.
If you want to hit us up, I'llgladly tell people how awesome
you are.
If you want to give us money,my opinion is purchasable.
Tis read, and that line laterin the future is what prevents
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Sean from becoming president ofthe United States of America.
Nate (36:03):
Never mind all the other stuff.
Shaun (36:05):
Yeah, never mind all the other stuff, just that one thing
.
On Twitter, the trending topicof Curatoriaama and Dragon Ball
surpassed United StatesPresident's Joe Biden's State of
the Union address, which washeld at the same time as his
death's announcement, which itdoes not surprise me, because
nobody cares about the State ofthe Union address and everybody
cares about Dragon Ball.
Nate (36:22):
I think some people probably just skewed that, but I
think by and large it's true.
Shaun (36:25):
Yeah, I mean, I can't remember the last time I watched
the State of the Union address.
Nate (36:30):
I mean I, I, I, I, I, I, I , I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,
I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,I.
I kept the clothes notes in thevery end.
Shaun (36:40):
You know the very?
Yeah, exactly, I'll just watchwhat SNL spoofs of it and then
I'll just go off that and justtake that as gospel right, this
is what really happened.
So, yeah, Toriyama's deathhasn't announced.
Everybody is really sad.
Some of this fans are lookingfor dragon balls to this day to
revive them.
Some confused fans have evenstole his body and they're
burying it into a pet cemeteryup in rural Maine, but that was
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a pretty good impression.
Nate (37:04):
I would have a what's his face.
Shaun (37:06):
Oh, yeah, what's?
Yeah, that was a lot of lot ofstories out there on that hill.
You don't want to, yeah.
Nate (37:11):
I only know him for three things.
I know him for you know, ofcourse, monsters.
I know him for that.
And then I know him for thejudge on my cousin Vinnie.
Shaun (37:19):
My cousin Vinnie, the two Utes.
What is a Ute?
What's a Ute?
Yeah, I actually do that kindof impression like the
Northeastern.
Ah, a lot of history out there.
You don't want to go up thatway, mr Johnson.
All right, so actually that'skind of all what I got.
Nate (37:36):
Did you?
I don't remember talking aboutthe movie like the live action
American movie.
Shaun (37:40):
Oh yeah, I didn't really get into that because he didn't
really have a whole lot of inputon that.
I should have written downsomething, because well, yeah,
he just didn't like it.
Nate (37:48):
Oh, of course he hated it.
I mean because it was awful.
I mean I don't know, I just Ilike that movie because of how
bad it is, it's just it missed amark on everything.
Shaun (37:58):
Yeah, that's kind of why I didn't bring it up to Oaks,
because I mean we're doing not,we'll go over when we do a
Dragon Ball episode.
That's why I also didn't do awhole lot in Dragon Ball Z,
because I figure eventually wemight do a Dragon Ball episode.
This is more about the man,akira Toriyama.
Fair enough, yeah, plus, I didactually not to mention, I did
kind of want to look up one ofthose things to.
I wanted to see if, like beforethe live action movie came out
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with one of those things whereToriyama was like yes, I fully
approved, this will be wonderful, and then afterwards it was
like no, because sometimes thathappens, you know the movie
studio backs up a movie studiobacks up a truck full of money.
It was like hey, yeah.
Nate (38:33):
Who likes money?
Yeah, we love money.
Shaun (38:37):
Dragon Ball creator Akira Toriyama was initially
supportive of the announcementof a live action adaptation,
asked fans to treat the film asa different interpretation of
his work.
But after watching the film hewas so horrified at this
adaptation of his work that hesaid to revive the series with
the animated dot dot dot Clicklink.
Yeah, I got to scroll and findthe thing.
Chow Yun Fat was in that asRoshi was yeah, they put money
(39:01):
behind that movie.
Nate (39:02):
That's the upsetting thing is they put the real money by
that movie.
It's like the people who madethe movie never clearly never
watched a show.
Shaun (39:11):
Yeah no, yeah, that came out before the Avatar movie too.
Huh, that should have been likea blowing beacon of don't mess
with the source material thatmuch.
Because, yeah, they were wayoff the mark on Dragon Ball
Evolution, way, way off, way offthe mark, way off.
I actually I never even saw it,but I saw enough of it to be
(39:31):
like, oh, oh, what have theydone to my boy?
What have they done?
But, yeah, uh, apparently,according to this thing, the
response to uh Toriyama hatingthis so much is actually what
spurred him to revive the serieswith Dragon Ball Z, battle of
the Gods.
Nate (39:47):
Nope, they're gonna be talking.
Yeah, I was just wondering.
Shaun (39:48):
We were talking about the movie where they were just like
a carat.
Toriyama is back, finally, yay,which explains why they were so
up to hype at being like youhated that movie.
Nate (39:56):
Well, guess who's back to do another movie which you know
again, makes total sense.
I mean, well, it feels me Iwouldn't want to keep my like
the last thing.
I don't think it's the lastthing, but like they released
that and it's like, okay, myname's attached to this.
Whether I want to be one?
Shaun (40:09):
All right, I because you know, over time, eventually
people might be like oh yeah, ofcourse Toriyama, you know,
directed that whole thing, eventhough it doesn't say it on the
credits.
Let's see, god's destruction iswhen Beerus showed up, which
was based off of his cat Neat.
So now you know Beerus is not aone of those Egyptian hairless
cats, he's actually a CornishRex.
Nate (40:28):
Oh, okay.
Shaun (40:29):
Yeah.
Nate (40:30):
I thought it was a hairless cat.
Shaun (40:32):
Yeah, Cornish Rex might be here.
Well, let's see the Cornish RexWatch.
I'm gonna look it up and it'sgonna be like, oh, this is the
Egyptian hairless cat, Not anEgyptian hairless can sing.
The breed originates inCornwall, Great Britain.
Cornwall, where cornholing wasinvented, because you know
there's a hole in the wall.
The Cornwall's got a hole.
That's the cornhole, but if Idon't, yes.
So yeah, Cornish Rexes areactually not hairless.
(40:54):
They just have very thin, finedown hair.
Some of them have very short,corally, corally, corally hair,
curly hair, corally hair.
I like corally hair.
Yeah, I like that movie, coralySue starring John Belushi or
James Belushi who was in.
Uh, let's see nine, the lastresort, a future episode of off
to off topic.
Yeah, yeah, yeah they wanna.
(41:14):
Yeah, well it is.
I mean, we've got it uploaded.
Nate (41:17):
That's, that is true, yeah .
Shaun (41:19):
Yeah, yeah, we already did it.
Nate (41:21):
Sorry, as I said, I'm not.
I'm not doing well.
Shaun (41:24):
Yeah.
Yeah, you do sound kind of sick, but you're doing well though
you don't.
You don't actually sound sick,Although when I first heard you.
I yeah, well, when I firstheard you, I like he does sound
kind of sick.
But yeah, so there we go.
Nathan, that is the story of acuratorial my, his life, his
death and all sorts of fun stuffin between.
Did you learn anything?
Nate (41:42):
Actually I did.
I didn't know a lot of thestuff, but there's a lot like
more than intricacies.
And again, dragon Ball was ablind spot for me because I did
pick up to DBZ and even then,like I don't know, I didn't pay
to.
I know there's a new series,super is going on.
For a while I started watchingit.
Shaun (41:58):
The animation was kind of disappointing, but um, I've
heard Super was kind ofdepending on where you watch it,
I think.
Nate (42:06):
Yeah, I mean it's okay.
I mean it's Dragon Ball, soDragon Ball Z, I mean Dragon
Ball Z people.
You know they're there, it'sjust I don't know.
I think I would have had to saythat's a dead.
Shaun (42:15):
Yeah, I do highly recommend Dragon Ball.
Uh, abridged, it is wonderful.
Not only is it humorous, but Ialso do some very emotional
parts very well too, and also itends right after the Cell Saga,
so it's not super duper longeither.
So, yeah, yay, curatoria, thiswill be your one stop podcast
for all your knowledge andCuratoria, because not a whole
lot else to learn about them.
(42:35):
Like I said earlier, I mean wecould have gotten more into
Dragon Ball and stuff, but Iwant to focus more on actual
Toriyama and some of his otherstuff, cause most people know
Dragon Ball and there's enoughstuff there for Dragon Ball that
we could probably do a wholeepisode on it, talking about the
characters, this, that, some ofthe behind the scenes things
that happened with that.
Nate (42:53):
I mean Dragon Ball itself is like a to.
Well, I mean Dragon Ball.
Shaun (42:56):
Dragon Ball Z.
Yeah, yeah.
Nate (42:58):
And GT and all that stuff.
Yeah, dragon.
Shaun (43:00):
Ball GT, dragon Ball Super, and I think there's even
like another one out now too,potentially.
Maybe I mean it just kept ongoing.
Nate (43:07):
Yeah so.
Shaun (43:08):
Yeah, as long as it makes money, it will continue to make
more stuff.
Yes, it will, and that serieswill continue to make money for
a good long while, I have afeeling.
Oh yeah, there's also DragonBall Z Kai, which only lasted a
couple of years.
Nate (43:22):
Well, Kai was just a redoing of the first one Like
that was that one.
Shaun (43:25):
that was okay.
Nate (43:26):
Yeah, it's not, it wasn't its own series.
They just when the first, likethe, when the Saiyan saga and
the Ginyu saga and the Friezasaga came to America, it was
heavily, heavily edited.
Shaun (43:40):
Gotcha, and I heard it wasn't even that good of an
editing they did.
Really that was stupid.
Nate (43:45):
I mean like there's that one point, someone got their
head cut off and it was justlike they kind of super glued it
back on.
And then there's scenes where,like when Gilhaw's getting
beaten up, they're a cloud kindof covered it and it was just.
There was a bunch of othersmall things they did too.
It just they're sticking them.
Oh no, everyone's lived, youknow, it's just, they did their
(44:07):
best to sanitize it for Tunaami.
Shaun (44:09):
Boo.
Home for infinite losers.
Da-da-da-da-da Right.
Home for infinite losers.
Yes, because having forbiddenpeople see hell written on a
shirt or a thing.
Nate (44:20):
Go cue with that Right.
And Mr Saint, this Mr.
Shaun (44:22):
What's Mr Saint is Hercules, hercules, hercules,
there's so many dumb changes,which is funny because, if you
think about it, he is actuallythe strongest non-Z fighter
human on the planet.
Nate (44:32):
Right.
Shaun (44:32):
Yeah.
Nate (44:33):
He's also like.
They painted him as a coward,though, but then again it's like
well, is this a cowardice?
Like, yeah, you're thestrongest person on this planet,
but motherfucker can.
Like.
He also Just go to a building.
Shaun (44:45):
He netted up when he in the cell saga remember he had to
grab Android like 18's head andthrow it at cell or whatever it
was, or no, he had to throw.
Android's head sticks to go onor whatever.
He kind of sucked it up and didsome stuff there.
Also, he did actually attackcell at one point.
He just ran up and tried topunch him and got smacked and
flew a quarter mile into amountain and didn't die somehow.
Nate (45:04):
Very true, yeah, I mean yeah I guess he's one of those
like cowards until he needs tobe stepped up.
Well, I mean then again also,he only stepped up because there
was a camera there.
Shaun (45:15):
That is true.
What you're saying is that forpeople to truly be brave, they
must have a camera on them allthe time.
So our truly brave people aregoing to be the social media
influencers and the cameraalways on them.
Yeah Well, we've got enoughstuff.
Now we're kind of just rambling.
Nate (45:31):
Yeah, I need to go down.
Shaun (45:33):
I'm like yeah.
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