September 28, 2024 • 39 mins
Join us for an in-depth exploration of the iconic 1985 fantasy film, Legend. From its inception as a passion project to its groundbreaking visual effects, we'll delve into the behind-the-scenes magic that brought this mythical world to life.
In each episode, we'll interview key figures involved in the film's creation, including:
- Ridley Scott: The visionary director who brought Legend to the screen.
- Tom Cruise and Tim Curry: The iconic actors who portrayed Jack and Darkness, respectively.
- Production Designers and Costume Designers: The artists who crafted the film's stunning visuals.
We'll discuss the challenges and triumphs faced during production, the film's cultural impact, and its enduring legacy. Whether you're a die-hard fan or simply curious about the magic of filmmaking, Legend: The Untold Story is a must-listen podcast.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
legend, the movie that I remember watching as a
kid and, um, not many peopleseem to remember you know, like
I mean, I don't know, I'llgoogle it and it's like
everyone's like legend.
But when I talk to peoplethey're like I think I've heard
that before.
Well, the movie's a legend.
Yeah, exactly, well, I also.
When I google legend, there isanother legend that came out
with fn.
Uh, what's his name?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
oh, no, I'm blanking his name uh no, that's his
actual name, george.
What's his name?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Oh no, I'm blanking on his name Bane.
No, that's his actual name,george.
What's his name?
Bane, tom Hardy?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Oh, okay, yeah, he did a movie, legend, where he
played as twins, so he playedtwo roles and he was British.
And I've actually seen clips ofit.
Wacky gangster hijinks, aBritish gangster movie.
British people are always funny, always drinking their teas and
wearing monocles and stuff.
That's exactly right.
Monocles must be had, monoclestea.
Very harmless people they are.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah, totally harmless.
When they ran half the world itwas just like, please do this
and we'll give you a sucker.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yep, everything was very proper Sunshine, lollipops
and rainbows, everything.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
No torture or murder at all, nope, all right, so you
ready.
Legend 1985.
Let's learn about some legends.
Yeah, very clear, 1985.
If you actually want to Googlethis movie, I highly recommend
you put Legend 1985, because, asyou might realize, you just
type in Legend in Google and,yeah, you'll get that tom hardy
(01:26):
movie.
But you also get like books,comics, video games, um, I don't
know folklore, just you knowlegends, kind of very generic
term so it's like you're sittingaround.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
You just wrote a book .
You're like what should I namethis legendary story?
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I just wrote yeah, so yeah if you're gonna look up
legend, make sure you add the1985 that's important in the
search also.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I do remember this movie, but I don't.
I never actually saw it.
Far as I know, it's just likeyoung tom cruise, a big horny,
uh tim curry and a horse and alot of sexual tension.
I assume, uh, yeah some, yeah,some, just some, just some, yeah
anyway let's go.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Okay, let's go.
Legend is a legend is a fantasymovie released in 1985 star tom
cruise, mia, sarah and timcurry.
Even if you've never seenLegend, you've probably
recognized the VHX box art, butwe'll get to that later.
Speaking of box art, did yousee it?
I posted it on the.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I did not, but I actually legitimately remember
the box art though, because itwas kind of the cool box art
back in the day.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Right, but I did post it in the thread.
I mean, if you want to take alook at it as a reminder.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
It looks like he just blew a giant load in his hand
and he's fantasizing about TomCruise in that giant wad.
Right yeah, now this actuallypeople had complaints about this
.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
They thought it was too confusing, so they ended up
changing it to a little bitdifferent, like there's a little
more splash where his hand withTom Cruise and Mia Cera was a
little bit closer and youactually saw more like the
lighting of his face and stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Wasn't it is like brought it closer to him and
yeah they.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
They made it a lot more clear.
I still think this one'ssuperior and it's a lot more, a
little more artistic.
Plus you see the villain, butyou don't.
You know, you don't get quiteas good a look.
You really want to look how youwatch the movie, or I guess now
you google it.
But so this movie was directedby a little known director.
I using words twice and I can'tbelieve I didn't catch that.
Let's try this again.
The movie was directed by alittle-known director who has
(03:10):
since fallen into obscurity.
This little-known person namedRidley Scott oh right, he
actually became one of the mostfamous directors out there,
although that's arguable.
Everyone at least has heard ofit Led to it with his fourth
movie, after movies I've neverheard of, which is 1977 the
duelists have you ever heardthis movie?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
that was too uh, that had to do with like a car out
in the desert chasing otherpeople in a car, I think okay,
well, I'm not gonna look at that, I'll believe you I believe it
was a horror movie and it waslike people, like a family, just
driving through the desert andall of a sudden, just this
psycho car, out nowhere, comesand tries like ramming them off
the road and chasing through thedesert and it's, you know,
tension.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
There you go um, there reminds me a lot of that
movie, uh quinn tarantinoreleased a while back.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Remember that it was a death grind or whatever yeah,
no death grind house.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah, it was grind house, but death proof.
Grind house was two movies.
Death proof was the one he didwhich had, like you know, it was
a bunch of stunt ladies outthere driving a car and he tried
to kill him and blah, blah,blah I always wanted to see that
movie, but I never did it'sworth it.
It really is worth it.
Like you know, kurt russellbeing the bad guy on that one um
, I definitely.
You know that one is a lotwordier because it was, you know
.
But the second movie wasactually pretty good too, which
(04:17):
was, uh, that one was a zombieone and that was.
That was pretty fun.
That neither one were great.
My favorite one about the secondone, which I can't blame the
name blanking on the name, butwhat they did was, while the
movie was playing, they'rehyping up to a big final
showdown with the zombies and asthey're leading up to it, the
film breaks.
You know, I did this in themovie I don't know if they do
(04:37):
this in the warped and it waslike they, it was like the film
had broken and so they splicedtwo parts of the movie together
so there was a sex scene thatwas starting to happen.
Also, the film broke and itcuts to after the big engagement
.
The house is on fire, thepeople have died and like the
survivors of the big battle havelike come back and I was like,
(04:57):
oh my god, I can't believe thathappened.
It's like I thought it waspretty cute.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I like how they did.
That's one way to save onbudget too.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yeah, we bought this giant action-packed finale.
Well, we're kind of low onmoney.
I have a plan.
That's exactly what happened.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I'm sorry this is driving me nuts.
Here is Grindhouse is actuallya planet terror, by the way, but
Grindhouse is also a genre ofmovies, so I typed in Grindhouse
it was like oh, all thesemovies like no, I was
specifically looking for acertain one anyway I'll even put
two bucks down.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
It's probably a uh type of music too somewhere
along the way sounds like a formof metal.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Yeah, I'm sure house metal.
So anyway, after the duelistthere's a movie you probably had
heard of is 1979's alien.
Uh, this movie only started abillion dollar franchise, most
recent entry being alien romulus, which you've seen, and I have
not seen it.
It is a good movie.
I intend on seeing it, I thatwill, but I'll probably have to
wait until it comes streaming.
(05:50):
Yeah, that's just the life Ilive.
And there was also anothermovie in 1982, blade runner, a
movie most everyone loves thequotes but but either haven't
seen or can't remember.
And I'm the second one.
Yeah, I remember bits andpieces of it because I know I've
seen it.
You know I I'm bringing upenough memories to know that I
have watched the movie, I justcan't really remember it fully.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
When I was a little kid we rented it and I watched
about half hour of it, kind ofgot bored and wandered off
because I mean it's not anaction-packed movie when you
hear some cyborgs and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah not really.
I mean, I remember a few likeyou know he's going through with
a gun and people out of the wayand robots, and you know
they're saying like someone hada snake and they're like is that
a real snake?
They're like who do you thinkI'm rich?
Because apparently it, you knowoh yeah, all pets were.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Uh yeah yeah, we're cyber.
All animals were dead in thefuture, and stuff like that and
then of course you know he's outthere, the main villain,
talking about like crying in therain and tears of rain that's
what it is yeah, so apparentlyroger howard wrote that line or
something like that, like that,oh yeah, yeah, that's awesome I
like when the actors addsomething that actually means
something instead of like, theactor adds something that's
totally pointless and ruins themovie also there's a little
(06:56):
known uh computer game back inthe 90s blade runner, pretty
good, it was like aninvestigation was it a set from
the same thing or just it justso happened to share a name?
uh, it, uh, it was from the sameworld and everything.
I don't know if you played thesame guy, but yeah, you're
tracking down.
Uh, you'd actually get tointerrogate the cyborgs and try
to get them to admit what theywere.
The whole like focus on the eyething and you try to get them
to react to things.
(07:17):
Be like I have.
The one line I remember is youcould like pull out briefcase
and be like yes, do you likethis briefcase?
It's made of real baby skin andyou had to watch their pupils
to see how it reacted.
Oh, that's funny.
Yeah, because if they reacted,weirded out, then you knew it
was a human.
If they just had no reaction,it was a robot, or probably me
or a psychopath, right, yeah,exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
So Scott wanted to make a classical family movie
for a while.
His intention was to make histhird release as he was working
on his first, so he was alreadyplanning his third movie while
he was working on his first one.
The next movie he wanted tomake, called, was Tristan and
Isolde.
Tristan and Isolde, I'mprobably saying that wrong.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
It's a very family movie sounding name from back in
the time.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Well for various reasons I didn't really look
into.
The movie was never made.
Instead he made Alien, which Ithink was probably the better
choice.
And while he was doinge-learning he started doing
pre-production work for dune, uh, which eventually abandoned,
and dune was picked up by davidlynch and oh became what it
became.
Yeah, after dune imploded forhim, he went back to his idea of
, you know, classical fantasyfilm.
(08:14):
Uh, on side note, I I stilldon't like that dune, I just
don't like it.
You know, um, I read the booksand, honestly, the reason why I
didn't dislike that most waseven before I read the books I
watched.
Uh, I guess now people considerpretty cheesy, but like there
was a sci-fi miniseries thatcame out with dune, I really
liked that it was actually likethat, from what I know of and it
stuck fairly close to the booksand so when I watched david
(08:36):
lynch's, I'm like what is this,seriously?
what is this this?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
is it's got a battle.
It's.
It's got Patrick Stewartcarrying a battle pug, so your
opinion is invalid Battle pugtrunks.
Everything else, yes, it does.
And also it's got the betterversion of Baron Harkonnen in it
, because he's an actual bad guyin that movie.
True, in the most recent onehe's a pretty bad guy, but yeah,
this one.
Not really.
He's kind of just looking outfor his own interests, trying to
make sure his own people are inlike good positions, you know,
(09:02):
just looking out for his family.
Nathan, he's a good man and theoriginal movie he, like you
know, pulled out hard plugs andbathed in their blood for no
reason.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I don't know if you remember that scene, but in the
well, they also like, yeah, theyalso trim it down Cause in the
books like he was a David Lynchmovie.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
He's like bring me the boy and they bring him like
this little shaved, like 18 yearold dude, and he like pulls him
and starts like pawing all overhim.
Then he pulls out the heartplug and his blood sprays all of
Baron Harkonnen.
He's like yes, yes, pleasure meand Sting and the other guy,
just tender, be like yeah,that's why I think.
Yeah, that's why I think he'sthe more evil guy than the one
from the uh, yeah, fair enoughmovies, yeah, fair enough that
(09:41):
dude just kind of sits in hishot tub smoking his pipe, just
being like yes, life is goodalthough he does come across a
lot more evil.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I guess there's a difference of various evil.
You have like joker evil, thenyou have.
You know, lex luther be evil.
So anyway, when he for legend,he took inspiration from
classical fairy tales, includingbrothers grim.
Uh, these, of course, are bestknown for the dark
interpretations where which arenow disney classics, my favorite
being cinderella.
Um, at the end of that one, theevil stepmother is forced to
dance to death on white hot ironshoot.
(10:09):
I always prefer that one tojust like.
I don't know the disney where Iguess it is like she's like oh,
I'm prince, now bye, and theyleave you know, yeah, those
brother grim's tales, they uh,they had repercussions for what
people did in those things oh,absolutely, like, even in the
they bitch made cinderella twoand three, which you know were
stupid, but whatever, uh, theystill never really had, uh, they
never got, she never waspunished, you know, even on the
(10:30):
third one, I guess, um, now Ihave, I have little girls, so I
saw it at some point.
But like that on the third oneI don't remember the second one
um, like the one of the sistersactually turns out to be like
she's just misunderstood andbecomes kind of cinderella's
friend, while the other othersister is like still a bitch, I
don't know, whatever who cares?
we're not talking about that uh,anyways, uh really, scott had
the idea of turning a younghermit who's transformed into a
(10:52):
hero and rescues the princessfrom an evil demon, thus saving
the world from a winter's curse,not cursed curse.
Now in hollywood, there aretens of thousands of screenplays
of all genres floating around.
I mean you, if you want ascreenplay.
There's a large dump ofscreenplays that you can just
pick just ask any waiter inhollywood and they will have a
screenplay absolutely um, ifscott wanted to, he could have
(11:14):
got one of those use as is andrip it apart, leaving only bitch
the bits, bits of the originalintact.
You know, and that happens alot too, you know, you see, oh,
this was written by so-and-so.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
But also, don't forget 13 other guys messed with
it, tweaked for the big screenby all these people and they
just destroy the thing and tearit to shreds and the story is
like please don't do that.
They're like you signed it overto us, mwahaha.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
All they kept was the characters' names, and that was
it.
Yeah, basically, charactersnames.
And that was it.
Yeah, basically.
In front of a love story to anaction movie, yeah, instead he
won on the original script.
In an interview with cinema iscine, fantastic film critic alan
jones said this was because hebelieved quote it was far easier
to design a story to fit themedium of cinema than bend the
medium for an established story.
(11:58):
Unquote.
I assume this guy knows whathe's talking about.
I don't know who he is and Ididn't really research anything
into it.
I just I saw the quote, I likedit and I ran with it uh, quote
Without any further scrutiny onmy part.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
That quote sounds right.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Yeah, you know what?
I got that from a verylegitimate source called
Wikipedia.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Honestly, you could say the same thing about video
games and comic books too.
They're kind of designed fortheir own medium.
It gives you the best storiesout of them.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I mean, that is actually true If you actually,
instead of taking something thatwas written for I don't know a
book or a miniseries, and tryingto change it to a movie that's
not going to have the same feelA good example too would be like
VR games.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Just trying to take a regular game and putting it in
VR doesn't work as good asdesigning something for VR.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
No, absolutely not so .
In the original draft of thescript, princess Lily, our
heroine, slowly transformed intoa furry-clawed beast who was
beaten but seduced by theantagonist baron core core
denuer.
The hero's journey was to belong, with several subplots.
It was quickly decided, thequest to be substantially
reduced and avoid any subplot.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
That's about to be the subplot, that had to be all
sorts of subtext on bestiality,I would think yeah, it had to be
, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
But even still, after the revisions, the script
called for a lengthy andexpensive film that was
impractical to shoot, especiallyin 1985.
And there were 15 scriptrevisions.
They just weren't ready for theLord of the Rings style of
movie.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, they shot for the moon and they realized they
could only make it to PuertoRico.
Exactly yeah.
Even with you know which, atthe time, $25 million to make
the movie which sounds nothingnow, but in 1985, that was, that
was nothing, that was that wasa decent amount of movie yeah,
and he was a uh and he was acommodity at this time, so they
wouldn't mind throwing money athim instead.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah, but yeah, that was even with what they want to
do.
They're like no.
So scott had actuallyoriginally offered the movie at
disney, but they passed on a doas darker toe, which sounds
strange for them to do like now,you know, but if, but, if you
remember Disney at the time theywere still doing.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Oh family friendly image you know, like Mickey
Mouse, rescuers Down Under islike the most hardcore thing
we've done.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, I mean.
So there was no scary darkfilms for them at the time.
Next, they needed to chooselocations.
So they scouted several placesin Sequoias of Yosemite National
Park, but do the massive scalesof the trees, and they loved it
.
The environment was perfect andstunning.
The problem is they couldn'tcontrol it.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
There are way too many.
That's where the Ewoks partswere shot too for Return of the
Jedi, oh really.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I actually didn't know that You'd think.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I would, yeah, anyways, continue, sorry.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
But for them there were too many factors to
consider.
You know, getting the suppliesout there, they're getting
electric, electricity um, theylikely needed damage, a lot of
area to get the kind of shotsthey wanted, and so all these
factors were the primary reasonwhy they did not shoot there,
because the cost at the timewould be astronomical and
protests yeah, true.
Instead they decided to shootthe whole thing on the 007 stage
(14:45):
over in england where theybuilt a forest.
They could fully control.
Control over one.
They couldn't.
And fair enough.
You know you watch the movie.
You even watch the movie.
You can tell it's a stage.
You know you're not gettingfooled.
However, it works.
You know, at no point.
There's really nothing wrongwith that.
Oh, I mean, it doesn't standout, it's not so fake.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
You're like oh, you're standing on soundstage
it's not with the cardboardcutouts out and back that people
are moving to like waves andyou know it's.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
It fits the ambience of the movie, uh.
But now they had to set, theydidn't move on to main cast.
First they needed to cast thelead role of jack, though it's
never actually used in the film.
His full net, his full name isjack in the green.
It's a dumb name, but it'sactually a real creature from
british folklore.
Well, not real, but you know,yeah, jack the green is a pagan
spirit in the form of a boywho'd leave, who's dressed in
(15:32):
leaves and lives in the forest.
Uh, I did search for some coolbackstory or something, but kind
of honest, you know that it'skind of lame.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
You know he's just a boy who lives in the forest,
that's it people see him everyonce in a while at the corner of
their eye and he skips away orwhatever.
Yeah, yeah on some poor feralkid back in the 1700s living
down right woods he was lostsomewhere.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
They're like look, there's a boy who leaves, he's
Jack of the Green.
Like somebody, help that child,he's lost no no, he's a
mythical wood creature.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
He'll be fine, as he's just like shivering and
starving.
No, that's the way they'resupposed to look.
It's fine.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Oh yeah, it's totally cool.
I'm sure he's great.
Let's go, let's go, let's go.
We don't need another kid athome.
Let's leave him right.
Which is actually how, actuallyhow he got there in the first
place.
Oh right, so the originalactors considered were johnny
depp, jim carrey and robertdowney jr.
And johnny yeah right, that'sjohnny depp and um rdj, I could
see.
But yeah, that's, I actuallyhad that on here.
But jim carrey question of markdo anything at that point in 85
(16:27):
?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
well, at that point in time, he'd only done some
stage stuff and some in like Ithink he's popped up on carson
once, maybe because he didn'teven do it at that point well,
he did use four small moviesthat no one's heard of, but
there was one he did do in 1985.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Uh, wise old researching, I saw this.
He did a movie called oncebitten.
It's a cheesy vampire moviethat I've again.
I've actually seen it.
I think I have two.
He's like he's a guy obviouslythis guy, but he's a guy who
gets bitten by this femalevampire because he's a virgin.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
And like someone has got to go like buy pig's blood
at the grocery stores because hedoesn't want to drink people
blood.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Right, and he gets is that is that the one that this
is I think so because I rememberall the ins and outs of it.
The couple scenes I I rememberis she bites him in the groin
area, and there was a scenewhere his girlfriend actually
asked two of his friends to seeif he got bit there.
And so in the showers they tryto check, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
And then they start screaming homo alert, homo alert
.
And then everybody runs outlike what?
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yeah, I have absolutely seen that movie.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
You know what?
It wasn't an awful movie, itwasn't a good movie, but I
remember laughing about it.
I enjoyed it.
I remember being like ha ha,this is entertaining.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
At the end of the movie they escape because he
finally has sex with agirlfriend in a coffin and once
he lost his virginity then shewas no longer the vampire,
didn't want him anymore.
So I guess she only went forvirgin teens.
But of course he looked 26,.
You know he was.
He was a high, you know in theeighties he would.
He looked like a high schoolerfrom movies.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah, back when high schoolers and movies are 28
years old.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
And Tom Cruise got this role after the outsiders
and risky business, so he wasn'ta no name, but he wasn't a
household name.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yet that happened.
That happened after Legend.
Yeah, top Gun was what likepushed him to household.
I would say, wasn't it?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
That's actually I have on here, which happened
immediately after Legend.
So Legend was 1985, 1986, TopGun came out, so that's when he
became Tom.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Cruise, the Tom, cruise, yeah, yeah, the.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Tom Cruise.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Worldwide sensation.
Tom Cruise, because, yeah,you're right, liked him, but
they weren't like you know.
Oh my god, it's top.
Yeah, you'd say tom cruise likerisky business.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
You know something like that.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, yeah he was that dude in risky business?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
I remember that with the sliding across floor in his
socks neat um, the role ofprincess lily went to an actress
named mia sarah.
Um, she hadn't done muchoutside of one episode of my all
my children, um, and she wasmainly known for her stage work,
which actually impressed scott.
Unfortunately, her career neverreally took off after this.
She did a lot of movies I'venever heard of and like one-off
characters on tv shows likechicago, hope and csi, uh.
(18:56):
But she did actually a littleside note.
She did play dr hireling quinzelon birds of prey, that batman
show that didn't go anywhere,that didn't have batman.
That came out like 20 years ago.
You remember that, not themovie, the tv show.
Tv show, yeah, bird birds ofprey came out like it was in the
early 2000s and it didn't havebatman in it and like it was
basically an all-female cast anddr harley quizelle was at the
(19:19):
time.
She like started off as one oftheir like friends and obviously
she turns evil at some point.
She never actually becomesharley quinn, but it's yeah,
it's kind of hinted that she'sgonna be evil.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
But there's also a time cop, the movie that
influenced liquid nitrogen.
For all of us.
You are jumping ahead.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
You're like, almost like.
It's like you're looking overyour shoulder looking at a
script.
It's not bad.
No, don't stop, because my nextline is for me.
I remember from 1994's Time Cop.
She was a love interest ofJean-Claude Van Damme, who time
by shooting themselves very fastat a wall.
I love this movie but it was sofucking stupid.
I mean, you remember that theylike got a little crash test
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dummy car and flung themselveson a wall and it didn't make any
sense because they would showup at whatever time they were
going for without being in a carand then they would like get
the person they were actuallygoing after, then hit a button
and then they were back in thecar.
You know like it didn't.
I don't know how that worked.
You know it was like plot, yeah, exactly like they were going
back in time and they got theguy like I got this guy.
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He was a time slipper, blah,blah.
So yeah, movie's so dumb.
Anyway, she was his loveinterest in that movie.
Um that whenever I see her,that's always the first thing
that pops up, which is weirdbecause you would think, aside
from legend, I, I would actuallyremember her for her more
popular role, which is 1986,ferris Bueller's day off, which
he did right after this.
So you think you know being amuch bigger film, uh, than
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either legend or time cop.
You would think people wouldthink I would have thought her
first on from Ferris Bueller's,but I didn't.
I thought of her time cop.
Surely, you've seen, I thoughtof her time ago.
Surely, you've seen.
You've seen Ferris Bueller'sDay.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Off.
Actually, no, I have not seenit.
I've seen, but here's the thingI've seen so many like clips
and excerpts and spoofs of it.
I'm pretty sure I got the wholemovie down One scene.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
I always think about that movie.
It's like it's totallyinappropriate, but like she's in
school, right?
So Ferris bueller is, pressureshis friend to give him his
dad's favorite car and they goto the school to pick his
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girlfriend up.
Well, he's playing his dad, herdad pretending, and so he has a
trench coat on, a hat andsunglasses and he's waiting for
her in the parking lot and she'sleaving school and the
principal's standing there onthe front steps and he's
watching her go out there and asshe walks up that he like he
playing the dad deeply, liketongue, kisses girlfriend in
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front.
And now again, principal,that's your dad and he all he
goes is.
So that's why she's so weird.
Nah, man, you're, you're amandated reporter, you're.
You just saw this teenage girlget tongue-kissed by her dad.
Do something Anything Like,even just call CPS.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
You're forgetting, nate.
This is the 80s People didn'tdo this in the 80s, very true.
The whole call CPS and report it.
That happened because of thesethings happening in the 80s and
nobody reporting it.
The 80s is literally the timeyou could go up to any
elementary school and be like,yeah, I'm little Joey's dad's
friend from work, I'm here topick him up and they're just
like, here we go and you justdrive off with any kid you
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wanted from school.
Back then, nate the kid wouldbe like I don't know that man.
He says he's your dad's friendfrom work.
That's why you don't know him.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Just go with him and you're there's a reason like uh
podcast, like uh last podcast tothe left, exists because yes
exactly you know.
Just I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
You pick my victim just off the street and if you
couldn't get one from school,yeah, just find a latchkey kid,
be like hey, kid your parentshome.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
No, all right, and the ironic thing is the guy who
played the dad in that show, orthe guy who played the principal
in that show, um, I said dex, Iwas also like a beetlejuice.
He turned out to be a pedophile.
He did Well, I know he gotcaught with a child.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
He was exchanging naked pictures with a child.
According to him, he never hadsex with him, though.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Well, okay, let's all just take his word for that, I
guess.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah, it's not something I ever put a whole lot
of research into, though.
No, I wouldn't oh my yeah, ohmy exactly, oh my I'm sure is he
still alive.
Yeah, okay, I'm sure he'll beshowing up on like joe rogan's
podcast to tell you I looked forI looked up recently because I
(23:25):
wanted to see because, again,that's the kind of conversation
we're having.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Jenny is like is he still alive?
Speaker 2 (23:28):
yeah, he's still alive, yeah, because I was like
he's still married he is notstill married.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
so, all that being said, scott needed to do a
perfect casting for the villainrole and he needed someone who
could act through layers ofmakeup and come off cross as
believable.
He needed someone who could bewilling to swing from the
rafters and find them.
He did Darkness, a massive,muscular red demon with goat
legs and gigantic black horns.
I mean, these damn horns areiconic.
Each thick black horn wasapproximately three feet and
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surprisingly light.
After a few failed attemptsthey were also made to wear a
large yellow slit inuncomfortable contacts and talk
through the mouth of massivefangs.
Which actor could pull thosefeet off?
Tim fucking Currie is who could.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Who could pull off a giant, muscular red demon and a
small pasty British man?
Damn straight.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
And it was his performances on the Rocky Horror
Picture Show that attractedScott to pull him in, and he was
right to do so because, curry,seriously, he pulled it off and
he's one of those actors, kindof like john lithgow and a few
others.
He's good in whatever role youput him in, just because he can
you know act yeah, well, andalso curry can really emote, and
just, you know, really not somuch nowadays, but you know
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that's for yeah, ha ha ha.
So, but the main characters of,uh, let's see, of these main
characters of legend, uh, therewere still a few notable roles,
like lesser roles, but you knowthey needed to be there first.
There was jack's raspy,half-naked elf named honeythorpe
gump and he was played by davidbennett, who that's why they
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play doctor who?
No, that's david tenet bennettwith a b.
Yeah, this guy, yeah, you,you've never heard of him.
I mean she's done.
Yeah, this guy, yeah, you'venever heard of him.
I mean she's done other things,I'm sure, but nothing you've
ever heard of the stalkery fairyUna, who stands.
Jack was played by AnnabelleLeight, for some reason, I like
using the word stands, probablyfrom your kids.
No, I just I heard that one day.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
I was like oh, I like that person over the age of 40
I know that uses it.
Oh, really, well, there you go.
Yeah, I think so.
I could be wrong.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Which is, which is our one because a lot of people
who, like the younger kids,saying stands, I'm like you
weren't even alive when thatsong came out.
Uh, what song, uh, really yeahit's an m&m song I don't listen
to m&m, so man, well, I I mean,I don't either anymore, but back
in the early 2000s I did.
Yeah, there was that likebasically uh, stan refers to a
song.
Eminem did you know?
I think it was called Stan.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Anyway, about, yeah, the South Park episode where
they're like Stan with Stan orwhatever it was, oh okay, that's
funny, stan with Stan.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
So the two dwarves that tagged along were Brown Tom
played by Cork Hubbard, andScrewball played by Billy Barty.
Of these two you probably onlyrecognize Billy Barty.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
He's one of those little person actors who's been
in a shit ton of stuff.
Yep, I looked at him.
I recognize him from, yeah, aton of stuff back in the day and
actually right off the bat.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I recognize him as Gwildor from Masters of the
Universe.
That's right Tie in for thelast episode.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I wrote, I'll pop it.
Haha, check out that episodefor more info on him.
And yes, I did thatintentionally.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Good job, that's the ticket I did it on purpose.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
214 acting credits.
Oh wow, he's even the voice inthe new batman adventures.
Well, back in 97.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
But yeah, yeah he did a bunch of shit, like,
seriously, like he.
When you're, when you thinkabout little people, actors,
he's one of the first for thepopular, it's first let's.
Let's be real.
Almost everyone thinks of um,wicked, warwick, wicked.
Uh, warwick davis.
Yeah, warwick davis.
Jesus christ, yeah, warwickdavis, the first person people
use at least me, I think.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
The second one is the game of thrones dude, whose
name I can't think of, umactually I know things nowadays.
It probably is that guyactually.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
He's number one it's my age telling saying that
warwick davis is number one.
But it's, it is um peterdinklage.
There you go.
Thank you, mike the dinkle.
Yeah, peter dinklage isabsolutely number one nowadays,
you know, and number two WarwickDavis.
But this guy, I don't know ifhe's number three or not, but
he's definitely high, he's inthe top five, you know.
You see him.
He's like oh, you're that guy.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Also.
Another one, I'd argue, is theone dude with the monocle from
fucking Time Bandits.
That dude was in a friday andstuff like that, I think yeah,
yeah, and he was in um bad santaoh wow, robert picardo was in
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this too.
Sorry I got ahead of you that'sall good.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I didn't really go deeper in that.
So, um, let's see.
Well, okay, so jack, those werejack.
Well, maybe those were jack'sfriends, but dark, but let's not
forget Darkness.
Well, he doesn't really havefriends.
He wouldn't be a proper darklord if he had friends.
He had minions.
But the lead henchman, orhenchwoman, was Blix, played by
Alice Clayton.
On the few videos I watched ofhim the research they love
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talking about her makeup.
It was modeled using KeithRichards as a reference, just
like Jack Sparrow, although youknow they did do it first.
They made her all disgusting,but you could see the similarity
and I did load her picture upon the comparison between her
and david.
I guess I mean, maybe theystarted off, but they added a
really big nose, long ears,slide guess wrinkly and a big
forehead.
I mean, yeah, I guess I see itI mean, I guess on, maybe on set
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it was a little more noticeable, because a lot of people would
walk up to her and she's likeyou look familiar.
And she's like, oh, you know,keith Richards.
I'm like, oh, I see it.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
But you know, looking at images, I don't know, I
guess you know, Then again, I'mnot Also just kind of like
generic creepy British person.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, I mean to be honest, if you say you're like
quick, what does Keith Richardslook like?
I'll be, uh, baseball glove.
Yeah, I mean I.
So I mean, if I saw him onscreen, oh, that's keith
richards.
But I don't think about himenough to really like bring his
face up on command.
He looks like living embodimentof mesothelioma right so blix
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has two cronies to follow arounda pig man named pox, played by
peter peter o'farrell, and asmall black knight called
blunder named, played by kieranslash.
Uh, the last actor worthmentioning.
Uh only had one scene in themovie, and who, boy, what a
scene.
The character is med muckabone.
She's a hideous swamp, monster,creature, witch, goblin thing.
They have gnarled, wrinkledgreen skin, extra long fingers
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and long claws.
She was played by robertpicardo, best known for his role
on star trek voyager.
He was also a hologram personwho showed up in star trek first
contact and ds9, which one day,I swear, I will write like I
keep on saying d space nine,it's my favorite.
I'll find anybody who says notthe best and I still stand by
that and I still have everyintention of writing the podcast
(29:30):
about it.
I just it's just, it's a hugeundertaking.
It it's like something I wantto give the proper respect to
and actually like really divedeep and it's almost to the
point like uh, there's actuallyuh on youtube, there's.
These people do podcasts inevery episode of star trek next
generation and they justrecently picked up deep space
nine and like oh man, I wouldreally love to like do a podcast
, kind of like focusing on eachepisode, but that's, that would
(29:52):
be a whole thing.
I'm just not in a space that Ihave the time, energy or will to
dedicate to, so I just don'tknow how deep I should go to to
really like satisfy what I wantto do for it.
So it keeps on getting pushedback carl, you two face.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
At one point did he yeah for one of the cartoons?
Oh yeah, he actually has over250, uh oh yeah, he's on imdb.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Yeah, I recognize him right off the bat.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
He's been in a million and one things oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Well, the one thing I actually listed on here that I
had forgotten he did, that Iloved as a kid, you know.
For around the same time I hadforgotten he was the cowboy
Interspace.
Have you ever seen that movie?
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yes, I did.
Oh, Actually, I don't remembera cowboy from Interspace.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Well, he was the generic villain, Like he was the
guy trying to kill the maincharacter, Apparently.
Apparently he had a he was theone who had like a hidden gun in
his finger.
You know he would point.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Okay, I kind of vaguely remember that it's been
a while since I've seen innerspace.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Yeah, dude.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Inner space, yeah, that was one where they got
shrunk down and injected intowhat's his butt, wasn't it, oh
my?
Speaker 1 (30:48):
God, I see his face.
Short, short, short.
Trouble with names.
Okay, this is going to continueto happen.
Um, I'm sure you've noticed itbefore and you'll notice it
going forward.
If there's a name I forgotabout it, I actually I'm no
better.
So well, and here's what reallysucks.
I work at the post office nowand everyone there some of these
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people have been there foryears.
You know, pushing 10 years likethese people.
You know I'm at a place thatthis is going to become.
Just like you.
I'm sure you work in a place,like I've always worked in
places where it's like, okay,it's a revolving door.
You know anybody here can leaveat any minute.
Anybody here can be fired atany minute.
You know it's no one or veryfew people are like this is
where they're going to retireand you work in a place like
(31:31):
that.
Or you're working in a placelike no, seriously, this is your
job.
You can go to retirement withthis, can go to retirement with
this.
This is the first time I'veactually worked somewhere where
like no, seriously, I could goto retirement.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
So I've worked with people here for quite a while
and I barely know anyone's namethis is the first job you've
ever had where it might pay offto remember somebody's name, and
you're just like I can't, after40 years of not doing it.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I know exactly what you mean not just like their
names, but like the names andthe routes they do.
So they called me and they'relike oh yeah, so and so called
in and then you need to work forit.
My okay, cool.
And I walked in, like okay,what right am I on?
They're like.
They just looked at me like 13.
I'm like and here's the thing,the route, because I'm a rca
right now, so I I'm not quite afull-time, I'm not quite.
(32:12):
It'll take at least a yearbefore I can become full-time.
But like, I come in and theperson I'm assigned to to
actually like the main route I'mon is 13 for that person and I
know their name and I didn'tknow what route they were doing.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
So little Susie's route.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Yeah, so I really need to start like putting a
concentrated effort to startremembering people's name there,
because this is I mean, unlessthey let me go for some reason,
that I, I don't know this iswhere I plan to be.
I mean, unless they let me gofor some reason, I don't know,
this is where I plan to be,unless my art career is good.
If this takes off and my artcareer takes off, I'll burn the
place to the ground.
But you know, assuming thatthat doesn't happen, this is
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where I'm going to be.
So I really need to startremembering people's names.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Like a concentrated effort when you get introduced
to somebody that one trick theysay actually does help.
That stupid trick where whenyou shake their hand, you repeat
their name back to them liketwice.
Yeah, they're like hi, I'm Jim.
You grab their hand, you shakeit, you're like hi, jim, nice to
meet you, jim, I'm Sean.
That actually does help, eventhough you feel like a total
tool doing it.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Well, the problem is now I've been there long enough
that, like a lot, of, I know mymain manager, but there's
another manager there who callsme, talks to me.
She actually tries to hook meup and like I have no fucking
clue her name.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Okay, here's how you get the introductions back in.
All you have to do is figureout a way to royally cheese them
off and then immediately belike, oh no, we got off on the
wrong foot.
Hold on Introductions again.
And then you do it.
See, all you got to do is whatI'm hoping will happen.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
What I hope happens is like I just listen for her
name, so like while I'm aroundthem I'm like trying to see if I
can see her like name tag orher like you know, whatever, and
like I'm going to wait forsomebody to say her name, like I
heard someone say it earlier,like yesterday, but I didn't
quite hear it.
So it's an, a word, but I don'tknow what it is name, name, uh.
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So back to the legend.
The prosthetics on legend wereseriously on point.
Like at the time of production,legend held the record for the
largest makeup crew everdedicated to one project.
As the cast came on, crew onboard, the crew immediately took
casts their bodies and draftedimages how they'd eventually
look.
Between 8 and 12 prostheticswere attached to each of the
actors faces about approximatelythree and a half hours per
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actor.
The actor had the worst by farwas tim curry.
This poor bastard spent most ofhis time in the chair with all
the shit they had put on him,never mind the large bull-like
horns at his head.
As I mentioned, these werethree, three foot fiberglass
horns held together by a harness.
They actually went through acouple iterations.
Um, you know the first one.
It wasn wasn't super heavy, butit was too heavy for someone to
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wear on any kind of constantbasis on their neck.
Yeah, but they eventually didmake a fiberglass.
So once they actually put it onthere from what I read, it
actually wasn't For as big asthey were.
You'd think they were reallyheavy, but what they finally
kind of figured out was how tomake it not bad, as they
probably built like a neck braceinto it.
That went down to the shouldersor something yeah, they.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
They got him to where he was, like one of those crown
setups that people with brokennecks wear something similar to
that?
Speaker 1 (35:07):
well, not because he still had to move his head and
stuff.
But they, they definitely didlike they helped him out as much
as they could uh he can movehis head, but batman couldn't.
That's hilarious exactly well,and, of course, what I would
consider the worst torture wasthose contacts I mentioned.
They jammed their eyes like.
I don't like contacts anyway,you know.
Even put a regular contacts in,I don't like doing it.
I couldn't imagine those fakecontacts are nightmares from
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what, oh my god.
And plus, as it was big enoughto cover like the whites of his
eyes, so they were like largecontacts they put in his eyes.
And there was also a sceneearly on the movie like the
first time they introduced him.
They introduced him like he waslike in a black light situation
and his eyes were glow green,like his teeth glow green, his
nails glow green and his eyesglow like glow.
So they were.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
I'm sure those weren't comfortable you know,
never mind them, and alsousually you can't see deadly
crap out of those kind ofcontacts either yeah, like that
little slit in the eyes.
That's probably all you couldsee out of most of the time I
would, from what I've heardanyways and especially the first
time with those, those lightgreen.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
We probably couldn't say anything, but fortunately he
didn't have to look at anybody,he was just kind of talking to
the air.
So he wasn't, he didn't reallyneed being on his own
monologuing.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
He was basically exactly 100.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
You totally nailed it .
He was sitting in his thronemonologuing um and just like,
talking to his minions whohappen to be around him, but no
one specific, so he didn't haveto like make eye contact like
those kind of villains actually,for whatever reason, I don't
know.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Just the imposing villain doesn't have to do much,
just sit there and be evil wellin the making of I saw for the
special edition dvd.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Uh, they basically said like after being in the
chair for so long, a lot of hiscomplaints would kind of slip
away once he actually sawhimself.
You know, he stood up, helooked himself in the mirror.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
He's like damn because I'm guessing he's like
in the chair, like three in themorning and makeup for about
four hours to get all that donea minimum.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
I think it was like.
I think I saw like probably sixhours.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
How long yeah six to eight hours is how much that
sounds about right.
Yeah, because that kind ofmakeup takes forever.
I remember hearing the doo-doodwarf talk about just.
His makeup was like five or sixhours, I think that's not as,
and that's not as intricate asthis is.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
I don't think no and uh, you know, basically you know
, as marvel as he would at thehow he looked at the beginning.
At the end of the day, he wasdone and he had to sit.
He basically had to go in abath and to liquid the solid
build gum, spirit.
That was like with spirit gumthat held everything together
and occasionally, uh, currywould just like lose it and he
would rip the prosthetics off.
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He just couldn't take itanymore.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Unfortunately, this would sometimes take skin off of
it because they're basicallycaulking it to him essentially.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yeah, you know and so when this happened, they would
actually the shoot around himfor about a week because the
damage that happened like theyhad to give him time to heal up
enough they put the stuff backon him is that, you know, was
unfortunate.
It didn't have, didn't soundlike it happened a lot, but it
happened on off and on becauseyou know if it happened a lot
that would be a big issue forproduction, but fortunately it
wasn't too bad.
And of course, the filming hada share of issues as well.
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The biggest hitch they hit wasthe studio burning down about 10
days before filming.
They lost everything.
Yeah, like the entire forestthey made was all gone and it
was like real bad.
It was pretty lucky too, likeeveryone's on break at the time,
like they, there was no onereally in the building when it
happened so do they know whatthe cause?
of the fire was, or I don'tthink.
(38:07):
I think it was an electricalissue.
It was very generic.
You know it was they.
I didn't see any like it wasthis, but it wasn't arson or
anything.
It was just, you know, someonesomewhere did something stupid
and it it lit on fire, you knowsomebody says it's an electrical
thing.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
I think of that futurama episode where god's I
think it's god talking vendorslike yes, you could just burn it
down and claim the insurance asan electrical thing anyways but
yeah, I mean, no one was hurt.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
You know it was it, but they did lose a lot of money
.
Honestly, though, like sincemost of the shooting was already
done you know it wasn't theydidn't lose a ton of time.
It was expensive and they kindof had to fix things to wrap it
up.
Sorry, I just hit my microphone, but it was fine.
The people who were affectedwas the upcoming James Bond
movie.
They were about to shootBecause, again, this took place
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in a studio.
It was called the 007 Studio.
This is where they shot 007.
So they definitely took a hit,because they were like where are
you going to do this next?
No, we haven't shot anythingyet.
And that's all for this episodeof Off Top Topic.
We discussed the legend fromconception to production.
Next time we'll talk the movieitself, along with three reasons
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why the theatrical ending isbullshit.
Thanks for listening.
legend, the movie that I remember watching as a
kid and, um, not many peopleseem to remember you know, like
I mean, I don't know, I'llgoogle it and it's like
everyone's like legend.
But when I talk to peoplethey're like I think I've heard
that before.
Well, the movie's a legend.
Yeah, exactly, well, I also.
When I google legend, there isanother legend that came out
with fn.
Uh, what's his name?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
oh, no, I'm blanking his name uh no, that's his
actual name, george.
What's his name?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Oh no, I'm blanking on his name Bane.
No, that's his actual name,george.
What's his name?
Bane, tom Hardy?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Oh, okay, yeah, he did a movie, legend, where he
played as twins, so he playedtwo roles and he was British.
And I've actually seen clips ofit.
Wacky gangster hijinks, aBritish gangster movie.
British people are always funny, always drinking their teas and
wearing monocles and stuff.
That's exactly right.
Monocles must be had, monoclestea.
Very harmless people they are.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah, totally harmless.
When they ran half the world itwas just like, please do this
and we'll give you a sucker.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yep, everything was very proper Sunshine, lollipops
and rainbows, everything.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
No torture or murder at all, nope, all right, so you
ready.
Legend 1985.
Let's learn about some legends.
Yeah, very clear, 1985.
If you actually want to Googlethis movie, I highly recommend
you put Legend 1985, because, asyou might realize, you just
type in Legend in Google and,yeah, you'll get that tom hardy
(01:26):
movie.
But you also get like books,comics, video games, um, I don't
know folklore, just you knowlegends, kind of very generic
term so it's like you're sittingaround.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
You just wrote a book .
You're like what should I namethis legendary story?
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I just wrote yeah, so yeah if you're gonna look up
legend, make sure you add the1985 that's important in the
search also.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I do remember this movie, but I don't.
I never actually saw it.
Far as I know, it's just likeyoung tom cruise, a big horny,
uh tim curry and a horse and alot of sexual tension.
I assume, uh, yeah some, yeah,some, just some, just some, yeah
anyway let's go.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Okay, let's go.
Legend is a legend is a fantasymovie released in 1985 star tom
cruise, mia, sarah and timcurry.
Even if you've never seenLegend, you've probably
recognized the VHX box art, butwe'll get to that later.
Speaking of box art, did yousee it?
I posted it on the.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I did not, but I actually legitimately remember
the box art though, because itwas kind of the cool box art
back in the day.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Right, but I did post it in the thread.
I mean, if you want to take alook at it as a reminder.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
It looks like he just blew a giant load in his hand
and he's fantasizing about TomCruise in that giant wad.
Right yeah, now this actuallypeople had complaints about this
.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
They thought it was too confusing, so they ended up
changing it to a little bitdifferent, like there's a little
more splash where his hand withTom Cruise and Mia Cera was a
little bit closer and youactually saw more like the
lighting of his face and stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Wasn't it is like brought it closer to him and
yeah they.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
They made it a lot more clear.
I still think this one'ssuperior and it's a lot more, a
little more artistic.
Plus you see the villain, butyou don't.
You know, you don't get quiteas good a look.
You really want to look how youwatch the movie, or I guess now
you google it.
But so this movie was directedby a little known director.
I using words twice and I can'tbelieve I didn't catch that.
Let's try this again.
The movie was directed by alittle-known director who has
(03:10):
since fallen into obscurity.
This little-known person namedRidley Scott oh right, he
actually became one of the mostfamous directors out there,
although that's arguable.
Everyone at least has heard ofit Led to it with his fourth
movie, after movies I've neverheard of, which is 1977 the
duelists have you ever heardthis movie?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
that was too uh, that had to do with like a car out
in the desert chasing otherpeople in a car, I think okay,
well, I'm not gonna look at that, I'll believe you I believe it
was a horror movie and it waslike people, like a family, just
driving through the desert andall of a sudden, just this
psycho car, out nowhere, comesand tries like ramming them off
the road and chasing through thedesert and it's, you know,
tension.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
There you go um, there reminds me a lot of that
movie, uh quinn tarantinoreleased a while back.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Remember that it was a death grind or whatever yeah,
no death grind house.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah, it was grind house, but death proof.
Grind house was two movies.
Death proof was the one he didwhich had, like you know, it was
a bunch of stunt ladies outthere driving a car and he tried
to kill him and blah, blah,blah I always wanted to see that
movie, but I never did it'sworth it.
It really is worth it.
Like you know, kurt russellbeing the bad guy on that one um
, I definitely.
You know that one is a lotwordier because it was, you know
.
But the second movie wasactually pretty good too, which
(04:17):
was, uh, that one was a zombieone and that was.
That was pretty fun.
That neither one were great.
My favorite one about the secondone, which I can't blame the
name blanking on the name, butwhat they did was, while the
movie was playing, they'rehyping up to a big final
showdown with the zombies and asthey're leading up to it, the
film breaks.
You know, I did this in themovie I don't know if they do
(04:37):
this in the warped and it waslike they, it was like the film
had broken and so they splicedtwo parts of the movie together
so there was a sex scene thatwas starting to happen.
Also, the film broke and itcuts to after the big engagement
.
The house is on fire, thepeople have died and like the
survivors of the big battle havelike come back and I was like,
(04:57):
oh my god, I can't believe thathappened.
It's like I thought it waspretty cute.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I like how they did.
That's one way to save onbudget too.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yeah, we bought this giant action-packed finale.
Well, we're kind of low onmoney.
I have a plan.
That's exactly what happened.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I'm sorry this is driving me nuts.
Here is Grindhouse is actuallya planet terror, by the way, but
Grindhouse is also a genre ofmovies, so I typed in Grindhouse
it was like oh, all thesemovies like no, I was
specifically looking for acertain one anyway I'll even put
two bucks down.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
It's probably a uh type of music too somewhere
along the way sounds like a formof metal.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Yeah, I'm sure house metal.
So anyway, after the duelistthere's a movie you probably had
heard of is 1979's alien.
Uh, this movie only started abillion dollar franchise, most
recent entry being alien romulus, which you've seen, and I have
not seen it.
It is a good movie.
I intend on seeing it, I thatwill, but I'll probably have to
wait until it comes streaming.
(05:50):
Yeah, that's just the life Ilive.
And there was also anothermovie in 1982, blade runner, a
movie most everyone loves thequotes but but either haven't
seen or can't remember.
And I'm the second one.
Yeah, I remember bits andpieces of it because I know I've
seen it.
You know I I'm bringing upenough memories to know that I
have watched the movie, I justcan't really remember it fully.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
When I was a little kid we rented it and I watched
about half hour of it, kind ofgot bored and wandered off
because I mean it's not anaction-packed movie when you
hear some cyborgs and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah not really.
I mean, I remember a few likeyou know he's going through with
a gun and people out of the wayand robots, and you know
they're saying like someone hada snake and they're like is that
a real snake?
They're like who do you thinkI'm rich?
Because apparently it, you knowoh yeah, all pets were.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Uh yeah yeah, we're cyber.
All animals were dead in thefuture, and stuff like that and
then of course you know he's outthere, the main villain,
talking about like crying in therain and tears of rain that's
what it is yeah, so apparentlyroger howard wrote that line or
something like that, like that,oh yeah, yeah, that's awesome I
like when the actors addsomething that actually means
something instead of like, theactor adds something that's
totally pointless and ruins themovie also there's a little
(06:56):
known uh computer game back inthe 90s blade runner, pretty
good, it was like aninvestigation was it a set from
the same thing or just it justso happened to share a name?
uh, it, uh, it was from the sameworld and everything.
I don't know if you played thesame guy, but yeah, you're
tracking down.
Uh, you'd actually get tointerrogate the cyborgs and try
to get them to admit what theywere.
The whole like focus on the eyething and you try to get them
to react to things.
(07:17):
Be like I have.
The one line I remember is youcould like pull out briefcase
and be like yes, do you likethis briefcase?
It's made of real baby skin andyou had to watch their pupils
to see how it reacted.
Oh, that's funny.
Yeah, because if they reacted,weirded out, then you knew it
was a human.
If they just had no reaction,it was a robot, or probably me
or a psychopath, right, yeah,exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
So Scott wanted to make a classical family movie
for a while.
His intention was to make histhird release as he was working
on his first, so he was alreadyplanning his third movie while
he was working on his first one.
The next movie he wanted tomake, called, was Tristan and
Isolde.
Tristan and Isolde, I'mprobably saying that wrong.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
It's a very family movie sounding name from back in
the time.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Well for various reasons I didn't really look
into.
The movie was never made.
Instead he made Alien, which Ithink was probably the better
choice.
And while he was doinge-learning he started doing
pre-production work for dune, uh, which eventually abandoned,
and dune was picked up by davidlynch and oh became what it
became.
Yeah, after dune imploded forhim, he went back to his idea of
, you know, classical fantasyfilm.
(08:14):
Uh, on side note, I I stilldon't like that dune, I just
don't like it.
You know, um, I read the booksand, honestly, the reason why I
didn't dislike that most waseven before I read the books I
watched.
Uh, I guess now people considerpretty cheesy, but like there
was a sci-fi miniseries thatcame out with dune, I really
liked that it was actually likethat, from what I know of and it
stuck fairly close to the booksand so when I watched david
(08:36):
lynch's, I'm like what is this,seriously?
what is this this?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
is it's got a battle.
It's.
It's got Patrick Stewartcarrying a battle pug, so your
opinion is invalid Battle pugtrunks.
Everything else, yes, it does.
And also it's got the betterversion of Baron Harkonnen in it
, because he's an actual bad guyin that movie.
True, in the most recent onehe's a pretty bad guy, but yeah,
this one.
Not really.
He's kind of just looking outfor his own interests, trying to
make sure his own people are inlike good positions, you know,
(09:02):
just looking out for his family.
Nathan, he's a good man and theoriginal movie he, like you
know, pulled out hard plugs andbathed in their blood for no
reason.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I don't know if you remember that scene, but in the
well, they also like, yeah, theyalso trim it down Cause in the
books like he was a David Lynchmovie.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
He's like bring me the boy and they bring him like
this little shaved, like 18 yearold dude, and he like pulls him
and starts like pawing all overhim.
Then he pulls out the heartplug and his blood sprays all of
Baron Harkonnen.
He's like yes, yes, pleasure meand Sting and the other guy,
just tender, be like yeah,that's why I think.
Yeah, that's why I think he'sthe more evil guy than the one
from the uh, yeah, fair enoughmovies, yeah, fair enough that
(09:41):
dude just kind of sits in hishot tub smoking his pipe, just
being like yes, life is goodalthough he does come across a
lot more evil.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I guess there's a difference of various evil.
You have like joker evil, thenyou have.
You know, lex luther be evil.
So anyway, when he for legend,he took inspiration from
classical fairy tales, includingbrothers grim.
Uh, these, of course, are bestknown for the dark
interpretations where which arenow disney classics, my favorite
being cinderella.
Um, at the end of that one, theevil stepmother is forced to
dance to death on white hot ironshoot.
(10:09):
I always prefer that one tojust like.
I don't know the disney where Iguess it is like she's like oh,
I'm prince, now bye, and theyleave you know, yeah, those
brother grim's tales, they uh,they had repercussions for what
people did in those things oh,absolutely, like, even in the
they bitch made cinderella twoand three, which you know were
stupid, but whatever, uh, theystill never really had, uh, they
never got, she never waspunished, you know, even on the
(10:30):
third one, I guess, um, now Ihave, I have little girls, so I
saw it at some point.
But like that on the third oneI don't remember the second one
um, like the one of the sistersactually turns out to be like
she's just misunderstood andbecomes kind of cinderella's
friend, while the other othersister is like still a bitch, I
don't know, whatever who cares?
we're not talking about that uh,anyways, uh really, scott had
the idea of turning a younghermit who's transformed into a
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hero and rescues the princessfrom an evil demon, thus saving
the world from a winter's curse,not cursed curse.
Now in hollywood, there aretens of thousands of screenplays
of all genres floating around.
I mean you, if you want ascreenplay.
There's a large dump ofscreenplays that you can just
pick just ask any waiter inhollywood and they will have a
screenplay absolutely um, ifscott wanted to, he could have
(11:14):
got one of those use as is andrip it apart, leaving only bitch
the bits, bits of the originalintact.
You know, and that happens alot too, you know, you see, oh,
this was written by so-and-so.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
But also, don't forget 13 other guys messed with
it, tweaked for the big screenby all these people and they
just destroy the thing and tearit to shreds and the story is
like please don't do that.
They're like you signed it overto us, mwahaha.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
All they kept was the characters' names, and that was
it.
Yeah, basically, charactersnames.
And that was it.
Yeah, basically.
In front of a love story to anaction movie, yeah, instead he
won on the original script.
In an interview with cinema iscine, fantastic film critic alan
jones said this was because hebelieved quote it was far easier
to design a story to fit themedium of cinema than bend the
medium for an established story.
(11:58):
Unquote.
I assume this guy knows whathe's talking about.
I don't know who he is and Ididn't really research anything
into it.
I just I saw the quote, I likedit and I ran with it uh, quote
Without any further scrutiny onmy part.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
That quote sounds right.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Yeah, you know what?
I got that from a verylegitimate source called
Wikipedia.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Honestly, you could say the same thing about video
games and comic books too.
They're kind of designed fortheir own medium.
It gives you the best storiesout of them.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I mean, that is actually true If you actually,
instead of taking something thatwas written for I don't know a
book or a miniseries, and tryingto change it to a movie that's
not going to have the same feelA good example too would be like
VR games.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Just trying to take a regular game and putting it in
VR doesn't work as good asdesigning something for VR.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
No, absolutely not so .
In the original draft of thescript, princess Lily, our
heroine, slowly transformed intoa furry-clawed beast who was
beaten but seduced by theantagonist baron core core
denuer.
The hero's journey was to belong, with several subplots.
It was quickly decided, thequest to be substantially
reduced and avoid any subplot.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
That's about to be the subplot, that had to be all
sorts of subtext on bestiality,I would think yeah, it had to be
, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
But even still, after the revisions, the script
called for a lengthy andexpensive film that was
impractical to shoot, especiallyin 1985.
And there were 15 scriptrevisions.
They just weren't ready for theLord of the Rings style of
movie.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, they shot for the moon and they realized they
could only make it to PuertoRico.
Exactly yeah.
Even with you know which, atthe time, $25 million to make
the movie which sounds nothingnow, but in 1985, that was, that
was nothing, that was that wasa decent amount of movie yeah,
and he was a uh and he was acommodity at this time, so they
wouldn't mind throwing money athim instead.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah, but yeah, that was even with what they want to
do.
They're like no.
So scott had actuallyoriginally offered the movie at
disney, but they passed on a doas darker toe, which sounds
strange for them to do like now,you know, but if, but, if you
remember Disney at the time theywere still doing.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Oh family friendly image you know, like Mickey
Mouse, rescuers Down Under islike the most hardcore thing
we've done.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, I mean.
So there was no scary darkfilms for them at the time.
Next, they needed to chooselocations.
So they scouted several placesin Sequoias of Yosemite National
Park, but do the massive scalesof the trees, and they loved it
.
The environment was perfect andstunning.
The problem is they couldn'tcontrol it.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
There are way too many.
That's where the Ewoks partswere shot too for Return of the
Jedi, oh really.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I actually didn't know that You'd think.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I would, yeah, anyways, continue, sorry.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
But for them there were too many factors to
consider.
You know, getting the suppliesout there, they're getting
electric, electricity um, theylikely needed damage, a lot of
area to get the kind of shotsthey wanted, and so all these
factors were the primary reasonwhy they did not shoot there,
because the cost at the timewould be astronomical and
protests yeah, true.
Instead they decided to shootthe whole thing on the 007 stage
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over in england where theybuilt a forest.
They could fully control.
Control over one.
They couldn't.
And fair enough.
You know you watch the movie.
You even watch the movie.
You can tell it's a stage.
You know you're not gettingfooled.
However, it works.
You know, at no point.
There's really nothing wrongwith that.
Oh, I mean, it doesn't standout, it's not so fake.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
You're like oh, you're standing on soundstage
it's not with the cardboardcutouts out and back that people
are moving to like waves andyou know it's.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
It fits the ambience of the movie, uh.
But now they had to set, theydidn't move on to main cast.
First they needed to cast thelead role of jack, though it's
never actually used in the film.
His full net, his full name isjack in the green.
It's a dumb name, but it'sactually a real creature from
british folklore.
Well, not real, but you know,yeah, jack the green is a pagan
spirit in the form of a boywho'd leave, who's dressed in
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leaves and lives in the forest.
Uh, I did search for some coolbackstory or something, but kind
of honest, you know that it'skind of lame.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
You know he's just a boy who lives in the forest,
that's it people see him everyonce in a while at the corner of
their eye and he skips away orwhatever.
Yeah, yeah on some poor feralkid back in the 1700s living
down right woods he was lostsomewhere.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
They're like look, there's a boy who leaves, he's
Jack of the Green.
Like somebody, help that child,he's lost no no, he's a
mythical wood creature.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
He'll be fine, as he's just like shivering and
starving.
No, that's the way they'resupposed to look.
It's fine.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Oh yeah, it's totally cool.
I'm sure he's great.
Let's go, let's go, let's go.
We don't need another kid athome.
Let's leave him right.
Which is actually how, actuallyhow he got there in the first
place.
Oh right, so the originalactors considered were johnny
depp, jim carrey and robertdowney jr.
And johnny yeah right, that'sjohnny depp and um rdj, I could
see.
But yeah, that's, I actuallyhad that on here.
But jim carrey question of markdo anything at that point in 85
(16:27):
?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
well, at that point in time, he'd only done some
stage stuff and some in like Ithink he's popped up on carson
once, maybe because he didn'teven do it at that point well,
he did use four small moviesthat no one's heard of, but
there was one he did do in 1985.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Uh, wise old researching, I saw this.
He did a movie called oncebitten.
It's a cheesy vampire moviethat I've again.
I've actually seen it.
I think I have two.
He's like he's a guy obviouslythis guy, but he's a guy who
gets bitten by this femalevampire because he's a virgin.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
And like someone has got to go like buy pig's blood
at the grocery stores because hedoesn't want to drink people
blood.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Right, and he gets is that is that the one that this
is I think so because I rememberall the ins and outs of it.
The couple scenes I I rememberis she bites him in the groin
area, and there was a scenewhere his girlfriend actually
asked two of his friends to seeif he got bit there.
And so in the showers they tryto check, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
And then they start screaming homo alert, homo alert
.
And then everybody runs outlike what?
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yeah, I have absolutely seen that movie.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
You know what?
It wasn't an awful movie, itwasn't a good movie, but I
remember laughing about it.
I enjoyed it.
I remember being like ha ha,this is entertaining.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
At the end of the movie they escape because he
finally has sex with agirlfriend in a coffin and once
he lost his virginity then shewas no longer the vampire,
didn't want him anymore.
So I guess she only went forvirgin teens.
But of course he looked 26,.
You know he was.
He was a high, you know in theeighties he would.
He looked like a high schoolerfrom movies.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah, back when high schoolers and movies are 28
years old.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
And Tom Cruise got this role after the outsiders
and risky business, so he wasn'ta no name, but he wasn't a
household name.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yet that happened.
That happened after Legend.
Yeah, top Gun was what likepushed him to household.
I would say, wasn't it?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
That's actually I have on here, which happened
immediately after Legend.
So Legend was 1985, 1986, TopGun came out, so that's when he
became Tom.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Cruise, the Tom, cruise, yeah, yeah, the.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Tom Cruise.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Worldwide sensation.
Tom Cruise, because, yeah,you're right, liked him, but
they weren't like you know.
Oh my god, it's top.
Yeah, you'd say tom cruise likerisky business.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
You know something like that.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, yeah he was that dude in risky business?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
I remember that with the sliding across floor in his
socks neat um, the role ofprincess lily went to an actress
named mia sarah.
Um, she hadn't done muchoutside of one episode of my all
my children, um, and she wasmainly known for her stage work,
which actually impressed scott.
Unfortunately, her career neverreally took off after this.
She did a lot of movies I'venever heard of and like one-off
characters on tv shows likechicago, hope and csi, uh.
(18:56):
But she did actually a littleside note.
She did play dr hireling quinzelon birds of prey, that batman
show that didn't go anywhere,that didn't have batman.
That came out like 20 years ago.
You remember that, not themovie, the tv show.
Tv show, yeah, bird birds ofprey came out like it was in the
early 2000s and it didn't havebatman in it and like it was
basically an all-female cast anddr harley quizelle was at the
(19:19):
time.
She like started off as one oftheir like friends and obviously
she turns evil at some point.
She never actually becomesharley quinn, but it's yeah,
it's kind of hinted that she'sgonna be evil.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
But there's also a time cop, the movie that
influenced liquid nitrogen.
For all of us.
You are jumping ahead.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
You're like, almost like.
It's like you're looking overyour shoulder looking at a
script.
It's not bad.
No, don't stop, because my nextline is for me.
I remember from 1994's Time Cop.
She was a love interest ofJean-Claude Van Damme, who time
by shooting themselves very fastat a wall.
I love this movie but it was sofucking stupid.
I mean, you remember that theylike got a little crash test
(19:55):
dummy car and flung themselveson a wall and it didn't make any
sense because they would showup at whatever time they were
going for without being in a carand then they would like get
the person they were actuallygoing after, then hit a button
and then they were back in thecar.
You know like it didn't.
I don't know how that worked.
You know it was like plot, yeah, exactly like they were going
back in time and they got theguy like I got this guy.
(20:17):
He was a time slipper, blah,blah.
So yeah, movie's so dumb.
Anyway, she was his loveinterest in that movie.
Um that whenever I see her,that's always the first thing
that pops up, which is weirdbecause you would think, aside
from legend, I, I would actuallyremember her for her more
popular role, which is 1986,ferris Bueller's day off, which
he did right after this.
So you think you know being amuch bigger film, uh, than
(20:41):
either legend or time cop.
You would think people wouldthink I would have thought her
first on from Ferris Bueller's,but I didn't.
I thought of her time cop.
Surely, you've seen, I thoughtof her time ago.
Surely, you've seen.
You've seen Ferris Bueller'sDay.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Off.
Actually, no, I have not seenit.
I've seen, but here's the thingI've seen so many like clips
and excerpts and spoofs of it.
I'm pretty sure I got the wholemovie down One scene.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
I always think about that movie.
It's like it's totallyinappropriate, but like she's in
school, right?
So Ferris bueller is, pressureshis friend to give him his
dad's favorite car and they goto the school to pick his
(21:18):
girlfriend up.
Well, he's playing his dad, herdad pretending, and so he has a
trench coat on, a hat andsunglasses and he's waiting for
her in the parking lot and she'sleaving school and the
principal's standing there onthe front steps and he's
watching her go out there and asshe walks up that he like he
playing the dad deeply, liketongue, kisses girlfriend in
(21:39):
front.
And now again, principal,that's your dad and he all he
goes is.
So that's why she's so weird.
Nah, man, you're, you're amandated reporter, you're.
You just saw this teenage girlget tongue-kissed by her dad.
Do something Anything Like,even just call CPS.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
You're forgetting, nate.
This is the 80s People didn'tdo this in the 80s, very true.
The whole call CPS and report it.
That happened because of thesethings happening in the 80s and
nobody reporting it.
The 80s is literally the timeyou could go up to any
elementary school and be like,yeah, I'm little Joey's dad's
friend from work, I'm here topick him up and they're just
like, here we go and you justdrive off with any kid you
(22:17):
wanted from school.
Back then, nate the kid wouldbe like I don't know that man.
He says he's your dad's friendfrom work.
That's why you don't know him.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Just go with him and you're there's a reason like uh
podcast, like uh last podcast tothe left, exists because yes
exactly you know.
Just I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
You pick my victim just off the street and if you
couldn't get one from school,yeah, just find a latchkey kid,
be like hey, kid your parentshome.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
No, all right, and the ironic thing is the guy who
played the dad in that show, orthe guy who played the principal
in that show, um, I said dex, Iwas also like a beetlejuice.
He turned out to be a pedophile.
He did Well, I know he gotcaught with a child.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
He was exchanging naked pictures with a child.
According to him, he never hadsex with him, though.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Well, okay, let's all just take his word for that, I
guess.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah, it's not something I ever put a whole lot
of research into, though.
No, I wouldn't oh my yeah, ohmy exactly, oh my I'm sure is he
still alive.
Yeah, okay, I'm sure he'll beshowing up on like joe rogan's
podcast to tell you I looked forI looked up recently because I
(23:25):
wanted to see because, again,that's the kind of conversation
we're having.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Jenny is like is he still alive?
Speaker 2 (23:28):
yeah, he's still alive, yeah, because I was like
he's still married he is notstill married.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
so, all that being said, scott needed to do a
perfect casting for the villainrole and he needed someone who
could act through layers ofmakeup and come off cross as
believable.
He needed someone who could bewilling to swing from the
rafters and find them.
He did Darkness, a massive,muscular red demon with goat
legs and gigantic black horns.
I mean, these damn horns areiconic.
Each thick black horn wasapproximately three feet and
(23:55):
surprisingly light.
After a few failed attemptsthey were also made to wear a
large yellow slit inuncomfortable contacts and talk
through the mouth of massivefangs.
Which actor could pull thosefeet off?
Tim fucking Currie is who could.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Who could pull off a giant, muscular red demon and a
small pasty British man?
Damn straight.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
And it was his performances on the Rocky Horror
Picture Show that attractedScott to pull him in, and he was
right to do so because, curry,seriously, he pulled it off and
he's one of those actors, kindof like john lithgow and a few
others.
He's good in whatever role youput him in, just because he can
you know act yeah, well, andalso curry can really emote, and
just, you know, really not somuch nowadays, but you know
(24:33):
that's for yeah, ha ha ha.
So, but the main characters of,uh, let's see, of these main
characters of legend, uh, therewere still a few notable roles,
like lesser roles, but you knowthey needed to be there first.
There was jack's raspy,half-naked elf named honeythorpe
gump and he was played by davidbennett, who that's why they
(24:54):
play doctor who?
No, that's david tenet bennettwith a b.
Yeah, this guy, yeah, you,you've never heard of him.
I mean she's done.
Yeah, this guy, yeah, you'venever heard of him.
I mean she's done other things,I'm sure, but nothing you've
ever heard of the stalkery fairyUna, who stands.
Jack was played by AnnabelleLeight, for some reason, I like
using the word stands, probablyfrom your kids.
No, I just I heard that one day.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
I was like oh, I like that person over the age of 40
I know that uses it.
Oh, really, well, there you go.
Yeah, I think so.
I could be wrong.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Which is, which is our one because a lot of people
who, like the younger kids,saying stands, I'm like you
weren't even alive when thatsong came out.
Uh, what song, uh, really yeahit's an m&m song I don't listen
to m&m, so man, well, I I mean,I don't either anymore, but back
in the early 2000s I did.
Yeah, there was that likebasically uh, stan refers to a
song.
Eminem did you know?
I think it was called Stan.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Anyway, about, yeah, the South Park episode where
they're like Stan with Stan orwhatever it was, oh okay, that's
funny, stan with Stan.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
So the two dwarves that tagged along were Brown Tom
played by Cork Hubbard, andScrewball played by Billy Barty.
Of these two you probably onlyrecognize Billy Barty.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
He's one of those little person actors who's been
in a shit ton of stuff.
Yep, I looked at him.
I recognize him from, yeah, aton of stuff back in the day and
actually right off the bat.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I recognize him as Gwildor from Masters of the
Universe.
That's right Tie in for thelast episode.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I wrote, I'll pop it.
Haha, check out that episodefor more info on him.
And yes, I did thatintentionally.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Good job, that's the ticket I did it on purpose.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
214 acting credits.
Oh wow, he's even the voice inthe new batman adventures.
Well, back in 97.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
But yeah, yeah he did a bunch of shit, like,
seriously, like he.
When you're, when you thinkabout little people, actors,
he's one of the first for thepopular, it's first let's.
Let's be real.
Almost everyone thinks of um,wicked, warwick, wicked.
Uh, warwick davis.
Yeah, warwick davis.
Jesus christ, yeah, warwickdavis, the first person people
use at least me, I think.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
The second one is the game of thrones dude, whose
name I can't think of, umactually I know things nowadays.
It probably is that guyactually.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
He's number one it's my age telling saying that
warwick davis is number one.
But it's, it is um peterdinklage.
There you go.
Thank you, mike the dinkle.
Yeah, peter dinklage isabsolutely number one nowadays,
you know, and number two WarwickDavis.
But this guy, I don't know ifhe's number three or not, but
he's definitely high, he's inthe top five, you know.
You see him.
He's like oh, you're that guy.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Also.
Another one, I'd argue, is theone dude with the monocle from
fucking Time Bandits.
That dude was in a friday andstuff like that, I think yeah,
yeah, and he was in um bad santaoh wow, robert picardo was in
(27:28):
this too.
Sorry I got ahead of you that'sall good.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I didn't really go deeper in that.
So, um, let's see.
Well, okay, so jack, those werejack.
Well, maybe those were jack'sfriends, but dark, but let's not
forget Darkness.
Well, he doesn't really havefriends.
He wouldn't be a proper darklord if he had friends.
He had minions.
But the lead henchman, orhenchwoman, was Blix, played by
Alice Clayton.
On the few videos I watched ofhim the research they love
(27:52):
talking about her makeup.
It was modeled using KeithRichards as a reference, just
like Jack Sparrow, although youknow they did do it first.
They made her all disgusting,but you could see the similarity
and I did load her picture upon the comparison between her
and david.
I guess I mean, maybe theystarted off, but they added a
really big nose, long ears,slide guess wrinkly and a big
forehead.
I mean, yeah, I guess I see itI mean, I guess on, maybe on set
(28:13):
it was a little more noticeable, because a lot of people would
walk up to her and she's likeyou look familiar.
And she's like, oh, you know,keith Richards.
I'm like, oh, I see it.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
But you know, looking at images, I don't know, I
guess you know, Then again, I'mnot Also just kind of like
generic creepy British person.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, I mean to be honest, if you say you're like
quick, what does Keith Richardslook like?
I'll be, uh, baseball glove.
Yeah, I mean I.
So I mean, if I saw him onscreen, oh, that's keith
richards.
But I don't think about himenough to really like bring his
face up on command.
He looks like living embodimentof mesothelioma right so blix
(28:48):
has two cronies to follow arounda pig man named pox, played by
peter peter o'farrell, and asmall black knight called
blunder named, played by kieranslash.
Uh, the last actor worthmentioning.
Uh only had one scene in themovie, and who, boy, what a
scene.
The character is med muckabone.
She's a hideous swamp, monster,creature, witch, goblin thing.
They have gnarled, wrinkledgreen skin, extra long fingers
(29:10):
and long claws.
She was played by robertpicardo, best known for his role
on star trek voyager.
He was also a hologram personwho showed up in star trek first
contact and ds9, which one day,I swear, I will write like I
keep on saying d space nine,it's my favorite.
I'll find anybody who says notthe best and I still stand by
that and I still have everyintention of writing the podcast
(29:30):
about it.
I just it's just, it's a hugeundertaking.
It it's like something I wantto give the proper respect to
and actually like really divedeep and it's almost to the
point like uh, there's actuallyuh on youtube, there's.
These people do podcasts inevery episode of star trek next
generation and they justrecently picked up deep space
nine and like oh man, I wouldreally love to like do a podcast
, kind of like focusing on eachepisode, but that's, that would
(29:52):
be a whole thing.
I'm just not in a space that Ihave the time, energy or will to
dedicate to, so I just don'tknow how deep I should go to to
really like satisfy what I wantto do for it.
So it keeps on getting pushedback carl, you two face.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
At one point did he yeah for one of the cartoons?
Oh yeah, he actually has over250, uh oh yeah, he's on imdb.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Yeah, I recognize him right off the bat.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
He's been in a million and one things oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Well, the one thing I actually listed on here that I
had forgotten he did, that Iloved as a kid, you know.
For around the same time I hadforgotten he was the cowboy
Interspace.
Have you ever seen that movie?
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yes, I did.
Oh, Actually, I don't remembera cowboy from Interspace.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Well, he was the generic villain, Like he was the
guy trying to kill the maincharacter, Apparently.
Apparently he had a he was theone who had like a hidden gun in
his finger.
You know he would point.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Okay, I kind of vaguely remember that it's been
a while since I've seen innerspace.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Yeah, dude.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Inner space, yeah, that was one where they got
shrunk down and injected intowhat's his butt, wasn't it, oh
my?
Speaker 1 (30:48):
God, I see his face.
Short, short, short.
Trouble with names.
Okay, this is going to continueto happen.
Um, I'm sure you've noticed itbefore and you'll notice it
going forward.
If there's a name I forgotabout it, I actually I'm no
better.
So well, and here's what reallysucks.
I work at the post office nowand everyone there some of these
(31:09):
people have been there foryears.
You know, pushing 10 years likethese people.
You know I'm at a place thatthis is going to become.
Just like you.
I'm sure you work in a place,like I've always worked in
places where it's like, okay,it's a revolving door.
You know anybody here can leaveat any minute.
Anybody here can be fired atany minute.
You know it's no one or veryfew people are like this is
where they're going to retireand you work in a place like
(31:31):
that.
Or you're working in a placelike no, seriously, this is your
job.
You can go to retirement withthis, can go to retirement with
this.
This is the first time I'veactually worked somewhere where
like no, seriously, I could goto retirement.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
So I've worked with people here for quite a while
and I barely know anyone's namethis is the first job you've
ever had where it might pay offto remember somebody's name, and
you're just like I can't, after40 years of not doing it.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I know exactly what you mean not just like their
names, but like the names andthe routes they do.
So they called me and they'relike oh yeah, so and so called
in and then you need to work forit.
My okay, cool.
And I walked in, like okay,what right am I on?
They're like.
They just looked at me like 13.
I'm like and here's the thing,the route, because I'm a rca
right now, so I I'm not quite afull-time, I'm not quite.
(32:12):
It'll take at least a yearbefore I can become full-time.
But like, I come in and theperson I'm assigned to to
actually like the main route I'mon is 13 for that person and I
know their name and I didn'tknow what route they were doing.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
So little Susie's route.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Yeah, so I really need to start like putting a
concentrated effort to startremembering people's name there,
because this is I mean, unlessthey let me go for some reason,
that I, I don't know this iswhere I plan to be.
I mean, unless they let me gofor some reason, I don't know,
this is where I plan to be,unless my art career is good.
If this takes off and my artcareer takes off, I'll burn the
place to the ground.
But you know, assuming thatthat doesn't happen, this is
(32:48):
where I'm going to be.
So I really need to startremembering people's names.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Like a concentrated effort when you get introduced
to somebody that one trick theysay actually does help.
That stupid trick where whenyou shake their hand, you repeat
their name back to them liketwice.
Yeah, they're like hi, I'm Jim.
You grab their hand, you shakeit, you're like hi, jim, nice to
meet you, jim, I'm Sean.
That actually does help, eventhough you feel like a total
tool doing it.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Well, the problem is now I've been there long enough
that, like a lot, of, I know mymain manager, but there's
another manager there who callsme, talks to me.
She actually tries to hook meup and like I have no fucking
clue her name.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Okay, here's how you get the introductions back in.
All you have to do is figureout a way to royally cheese them
off and then immediately belike, oh no, we got off on the
wrong foot.
Hold on Introductions again.
And then you do it.
See, all you got to do is whatI'm hoping will happen.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
What I hope happens is like I just listen for her
name, so like while I'm aroundthem I'm like trying to see if I
can see her like name tag orher like you know, whatever, and
like I'm going to wait forsomebody to say her name, like I
heard someone say it earlier,like yesterday, but I didn't
quite hear it.
So it's an, a word, but I don'tknow what it is name, name, uh.
(33:58):
So back to the legend.
The prosthetics on legend wereseriously on point.
Like at the time of production,legend held the record for the
largest makeup crew everdedicated to one project.
As the cast came on, crew onboard, the crew immediately took
casts their bodies and draftedimages how they'd eventually
look.
Between 8 and 12 prostheticswere attached to each of the
actors faces about approximatelythree and a half hours per
(34:20):
actor.
The actor had the worst by farwas tim curry.
This poor bastard spent most ofhis time in the chair with all
the shit they had put on him,never mind the large bull-like
horns at his head.
As I mentioned, these werethree, three foot fiberglass
horns held together by a harness.
They actually went through acouple iterations.
Um, you know the first one.
It wasn wasn't super heavy, butit was too heavy for someone to
(34:40):
wear on any kind of constantbasis on their neck.
Yeah, but they eventually didmake a fiberglass.
So once they actually put it onthere from what I read, it
actually wasn't For as big asthey were.
You'd think they were reallyheavy, but what they finally
kind of figured out was how tomake it not bad, as they
probably built like a neck braceinto it.
That went down to the shouldersor something yeah, they.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
They got him to where he was, like one of those crown
setups that people with brokennecks wear something similar to
that?
Speaker 1 (35:07):
well, not because he still had to move his head and
stuff.
But they, they definitely didlike they helped him out as much
as they could uh he can movehis head, but batman couldn't.
That's hilarious exactly well,and, of course, what I would
consider the worst torture wasthose contacts I mentioned.
They jammed their eyes like.
I don't like contacts anyway,you know.
Even put a regular contacts in,I don't like doing it.
I couldn't imagine those fakecontacts are nightmares from
(35:28):
what, oh my god.
And plus, as it was big enoughto cover like the whites of his
eyes, so they were like largecontacts they put in his eyes.
And there was also a sceneearly on the movie like the
first time they introduced him.
They introduced him like he waslike in a black light situation
and his eyes were glow green,like his teeth glow green, his
nails glow green and his eyesglow like glow.
So they were.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
I'm sure those weren't comfortable you know,
never mind them, and alsousually you can't see deadly
crap out of those kind ofcontacts either yeah, like that
little slit in the eyes.
That's probably all you couldsee out of most of the time I
would, from what I've heardanyways and especially the first
time with those, those lightgreen.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
We probably couldn't say anything, but fortunately he
didn't have to look at anybody,he was just kind of talking to
the air.
So he wasn't, he didn't reallyneed being on his own
monologuing.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
He was basically exactly 100.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
You totally nailed it .
He was sitting in his thronemonologuing um and just like,
talking to his minions whohappen to be around him, but no
one specific, so he didn't haveto like make eye contact like
those kind of villains actually,for whatever reason, I don't
know.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Just the imposing villain doesn't have to do much,
just sit there and be evil wellin the making of I saw for the
special edition dvd.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Uh, they basically said like after being in the
chair for so long, a lot of hiscomplaints would kind of slip
away once he actually sawhimself.
You know, he stood up, helooked himself in the mirror.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
He's like damn because I'm guessing he's like
in the chair, like three in themorning and makeup for about
four hours to get all that donea minimum.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
I think it was like.
I think I saw like probably sixhours.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
How long yeah six to eight hours is how much that
sounds about right.
Yeah, because that kind ofmakeup takes forever.
I remember hearing the doo-doodwarf talk about just.
His makeup was like five or sixhours, I think that's not as,
and that's not as intricate asthis is.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
I don't think no and uh, you know, basically you know
, as marvel as he would at thehow he looked at the beginning.
At the end of the day, he wasdone and he had to sit.
He basically had to go in abath and to liquid the solid
build gum, spirit.
That was like with spirit gumthat held everything together
and occasionally, uh, currywould just like lose it and he
would rip the prosthetics off.
(37:19):
He just couldn't take itanymore.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Unfortunately, this would sometimes take skin off of
it because they're basicallycaulking it to him essentially.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yeah, you know and so when this happened, they would
actually the shoot around himfor about a week because the
damage that happened like theyhad to give him time to heal up
enough they put the stuff backon him is that, you know, was
unfortunate.
It didn't have, didn't soundlike it happened a lot, but it
happened on off and on becauseyou know if it happened a lot
that would be a big issue forproduction, but fortunately it
wasn't too bad.
And of course, the filming hada share of issues as well.
(37:47):
The biggest hitch they hit wasthe studio burning down about 10
days before filming.
They lost everything.
Yeah, like the entire forestthey made was all gone and it
was like real bad.
It was pretty lucky too, likeeveryone's on break at the time,
like they, there was no onereally in the building when it
happened so do they know whatthe cause?
of the fire was, or I don'tthink.
(38:07):
I think it was an electricalissue.
It was very generic.
You know it was they.
I didn't see any like it wasthis, but it wasn't arson or
anything.
It was just, you know, someonesomewhere did something stupid
and it it lit on fire, you knowsomebody says it's an electrical
thing.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
I think of that futurama episode where god's I
think it's god talking vendorslike yes, you could just burn it
down and claim the insurance asan electrical thing anyways but
yeah, I mean, no one was hurt.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
You know it was it, but they did lose a lot of money
.
Honestly, though, like sincemost of the shooting was already
done you know it wasn't theydidn't lose a ton of time.
It was expensive and they kindof had to fix things to wrap it
up.
Sorry, I just hit my microphone, but it was fine.
The people who were affectedwas the upcoming James Bond
movie.
They were about to shootBecause, again, this took place
(38:52):
in a studio.
It was called the 007 Studio.
This is where they shot 007.
So they definitely took a hit,because they were like where are
you going to do this next?
No, we haven't shot anythingyet.
And that's all for this episodeof Off Top Topic.
We discussed the legend fromconception to production.
Next time we'll talk the movieitself, along with three reasons
(39:13):
why the theatrical ending isbullshit.
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