May 9, 2024 • 32 mins
Part one of our episode on OJ Simpson. In our first episode we talk about OJs early years as a troubled kid with rickets to star of the football field and movie screen.
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Shaun (00:00):
OJ Simpson, that famous football player, slash murderer,
allegedly that everybody knowsand some people love.
That's our subject for the day,Nate.
What do you know about OJSimpson?
Nathan (00:10):
Allegedly.
Shaun (00:11):
Allegedly.
Nathan (00:13):
I guess we have to say allegedly, even though it's
everyone knows yeah.
Everyone knows I was like I'mgoing to go help find the real
killers.
No, you won't.
Shaun (00:26):
He also wrote a book questioning whether or not he
did it.
We'll get into that shortly.
Nathan (00:30):
Yeah, okay, We'll get into it right now.
Yeah, I didn't know OJ Simpsonas a football player because I
don't care about football.
My first experience with OJSimpson was Naked Gun, and then
my second interaction with OJSimpson interaction being, you
know, just being where heexisted was White Bronco.
Shaun (00:49):
So but Al Cowlings I believe Al Cowlings was the one
driving the Bronco and OJ was inthe backseat with a gun against
his head and a phone in theother hand.
If I recall from the courtroomsketches and stuff like that.
Nathan (00:59):
Right and it's like and nowadays they would just gun
them down.
Shaun (01:03):
You're right.
Well, it depends on how famousyou are.
Oj was pretty famous back inthe day.
Nathan (01:07):
Yeah, I think it was also the nineties they would gun
them down.
You're right.
Yeah, I'll back on that.
Yeah, uh, in fact, in thenineties, the cops didn't have
any like if you're right Now orthen, there would have been like
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a thousand cops following him.
Shaun (01:29):
Yeah, They'd be like hold up, he's one of the good ones.
Nathan (01:32):
Like the cops in A Dark Night with all the
down-to-the-tones campaign.
Shaun (01:35):
All the cops were following OJ Simpson you ready
to learn about the life andtimes of one Orenthal Simpson?
Nathan (01:43):
Let's do it.
Shaun (01:44):
All right.
July 9th 1947.
Eunice Simpson spreads hergoalposts wide and out her end
zone rushes a football-sizedOrenthal, Julius Simpson.
He comes out of the womb fullydecked out in pads and a helmet
and he spikes the placenta anddoes a touchdown dance.
When he comes out In the cornerat baby Pete Carroll chews gum
and nods approvingly.
Oj's mother was an orderly at apsychiatric ward and his father
(02:05):
was Jimmy Lee Simpson, acustodian at the Federal Reserve
and possibly an out-and-prouddrag queen who died of AIDS in
1986 or 1985, depending on whoyou asked.
Possibly I say possibly a dragqueen, because there's only a
couple of mentions of him beinga drag queen and they're all
from like the recent years, like2016, and on One the recent
years like 2016, and on One ofthem is a book written by George
(02:27):
Carposie Jr.
Basically, it has an accountfrom a drag queen in San
Francisco who claims quote MamaSimpson, as he was known to me,
used to hang around a hotelwhere I lived and was frequently
dressed in drag.
Everyone knew he was OJ's dad.
That's evidence.
One Also, apparently, jeffreyToobin wrote a book that claimed
that he was a drag queen.
Yes, that same Jeffrey Toobinwho was caught with his pants
(02:48):
down on a Zoom meeting at a CNN.
Remember that Nate JeffreyToobin His name got turned into
a verb for a while.
Nathan (02:54):
Yeah, that's.
Is that the guy?
Was it CNN?
Yeah, it was like, yeah, theywere at a Skype meeting and he
went off to take care of himselfand everyone's like, oh my god,
we're still here, that guy.
Shaun (03:04):
Yeah, I think he actually loaded up the thing and he had
no pants on and was going totown on himself or something
along those lines.
Nathan (03:10):
The one I know of.
He had gotten up.
Maybe he had no pants on atthat point, but he got up, went
over the couch while his camerawas still on to start going.
All the people were going noHuh.
Shaun (03:22):
Maybe that's what it was.
Nathan (03:23):
I went ahead and like, yeah, okay, I get it.
You weren't trying to showeverybody what was going on, but
come on, man, you know.
Shaun (03:32):
When asked exactly what happens, toobin said I'd rather
not go into the grisly details.
The only thing I'll say aboutit is I didn't know.
Other people were on the Zoomcall and they were watching.
Nathan (03:43):
And this was not an intentional act on my part.
But, that being said, what do?
Shaun (03:46):
you give it Nine out of ten.
Yeah, the other evidence, too,is a 2016 documentary called OJ,
made in America.
In that documentary, one of OJSimpson's childhood friends,
calvin, said One day we wentover to his dad's house and we
knocked on the door.
When his dad opened the door,he was in a bathrobe, which is
not a crime.
When his dad opened the door,he was in a bathrobe, which is
not a crime.
But then he kind of opened thedoor more and there was a guy in
the back and he was in abathrobe too, and it was obvious
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that he was gay.
So, and also keep in mind, ojSimpson's dad like abandoned him
at the age of four.
So this is a four-year-old'squotations, being like, hey,
yeah, sure he was gay.
So I don't know.
Like I said, all theseaccusations came out long after
OJ's dad was dead, and this andthat, and it seemed like it was
mainly to sell books.
So eh eh.
Nathan (04:28):
I mean, it doesn't really matter in the long run,
but just for the sake of likeclarity.
Yeah, I wouldn't trust afour-year-old's recollection,
especially after you know you'retalking for years.
Everyone's like oh yeah, he's adrag queen and then let's be,
let's be happy.
He stopped at like I saw a guyin a bathroom behind him versus
(04:49):
like yeah, he gave me a.
Shaun (04:50):
Come hither look.
Nathan (04:52):
Right, like I saw he opened the door, some guy was
like balls deep behind him.
Right, there's a little.
Shaun (05:00):
There's a little bit of a leeway there between like we
thought he was bending over pickup his shoes by the door, but
it turns out another guy happensto be there versus, like you
know, full raw doggy and throwsome kids one reason this kind
of matters?
Because people like to try totie this back into some of the
uh homophobic stuff oj saidduring the murder case and
whatever, and they're like ohwell, this shows you right here
(05:20):
why he's such a troubled,horrible man and this and that
so eh.
Nathan (05:24):
But I don't know, the gays, yeah, the gays, even back
then, like oh, why did she die?
The gays?
Shaun (05:31):
Yep Also, his obituary says he died of cancer, not AIDS
.
But also that's kind of one ofthose things back in the day.
If he did die of AIDS, youprobably didn't want people to.
So there we go.
His dad gay Maybe.
Question mark.
Question mark.
As for OJ, him and his familygrew up in the poor part of San
Francisco and was fashionablewith poor children.
At the time, oj developed acase of the rickets at the age
of two and gave him bowed legs.
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His mother whooped him up somehomemade.
Nathan (05:56):
As was fashionable at the time.
Shaun (05:57):
As was fashionable at the time.
Hey, if you're a kid back then,you're poor.
You either got the rickets oryou got polio, and if you didn't
have one of those, all theother poor kids made fun of you.
Nathan (06:07):
Haha, look at that kid over there.
Shaun (06:08):
He's never had rickets.
Yeah right, Isn't that funny.
Jimmy and the Iron Long yeah.
Nathan (06:16):
Yeah, we all laugh at Jimmy and the Iron Long, but
that motherfucker was an asshole.
He was the worst bully of allof them.
He would just run over people'shands.
He's like whoops.
He'd have his friends hold downthe jocks, like all of his
crippled friends holding jocksdown, while he slowly, like,
rolls over them Like in.
Aladdin, he's like rolling downthe hill.
He's gotta quickly find thewindow where it gets crushed.
(06:39):
Ha, uh, yeah.
Shaun (06:42):
Yep.
That was one of the leadingcauses of deaths For street
urchins back in the day, beingrun over by bullies and iron
lungs.
Nathan (06:48):
The scourge Of iron lungs.
Rolling down the hill, rollingdown with a biker gang, like in
a perfect V Everybody'spanicking, Grabbing their
children running inside theirhouses.
Shaun (07:01):
Oh no, the iron lung gang is coming.
People like hiding behind thewindows, you know?
No, the iron lung gang iscoming.
Yeah, people like hiding behindthe windows, you know, the iron
lung just slowly rolls by withthe head turning and staring at
them.
Nathan (07:12):
Uh, yep, okay, uh, they're pretty.
I mean I'm not exactlyadvocating for killing people
out of the lungs, I don't, youknow, I don't even know if I see
an iron lung, but like, what'sthe point?
I mean, there's one guy.
He's like oh, one guy recentlydied.
He was 70 something.
He spent his entire life iniron long, you know, like he was
a lawyer.
I'm like a lawyer for what?
(07:34):
Like, at what point?
I know you could be a lawyerand like, do paperwork, but
again, the only thing he hadaccess to was his face.
Shaun (07:42):
So he was an expert at teleconferencing.
Nathan (07:44):
Basically would be my guess but he was 76 and met a
lawyer most of his life.
He wasn't a recent thing so itwas um.
Shaun (07:53):
He communicated by a pigeon, I guess, stuck little
notes on them sent him out.
Nathan (07:57):
I mean, I am by no means advocating putting people on
iron lungs out of their abilitybut.
Shaun (08:02):
but they say you're on trial for murdering 30 people in
iron lungs with a pillow.
You just walked up and pushed apillow over their face.
Nathan (08:11):
We have this audio.
If you hadn't noticed, in theaudio I never was advocating to
put people out of their misery.
Shaun (08:18):
Hey, I may have left a hanging but You'll notice I said
I don't advocate for otherpeople to murder people in iron
lungs.
I never said about myself, butin case you wonder what iron
lung is too, I believe it'sbecause your muscles are so weak
you can't breathe anymore likemove your diaphragm breathe, so
that actual whole lung justbasically works like a giant,
like bellows, to pump air in andout of you yeah, totally I mean
(08:40):
yeah, as a life-saving device Ithink it's a miracle.
Nathan (08:42):
But again, but again it's like it really should be
like a temporary measure, not apermanent one.
But again, I mean, whateverPeople have loved ones.
If I had a loved one like mydaughter was an iron lung I'd
probably be like, no, let herlive.
So I mean.
Shaun (08:56):
I'd be like chasing away the horde of people outside with
pillows being like we're herefor an angel of death for your
daughter.
You, You're an angel of deathfor your daughter.
You're like no Look at her.
We wheel her in the backyardtwice a week.
Nathan (09:05):
She has fun, right?
So yeah, just you knowabstractly, with me having no
say over it, I'd be like no, putthem all in the misery.
But yeah, I mean someone goes.
Well, what if your kid I'm ahypocrite.
Shaun (09:17):
There you go, but thankfully your kids aren't in
iron lungs.
All they have is the rickets.
And, by the way, in case you'rewondering what rickets is, it's
a softening of the bones due toa vitamin D deficiency.
Nathan (09:26):
I always wondered what it was.
Yeah, I mean because I know.
Shaun (09:30):
Because you always hear about the rickets and stuff like
that.
It's like oh so bode-y.
It looked like he had therickets when he was a kid.
Nathan (09:37):
Yep, and there's a funeral home called Rick that I
want to pass by Ha.
Shaun (09:43):
Old rickety cricket running his.
Nathan (09:46):
Rickety cricket.
Is that Jiminy's like long-lostbrother?
Shaun (09:50):
Yes, Fast forward to the age of 1960, and at the age of
13, OJ Simpson forms what hecalls a gentleman's club known
as the Persian Warriors.
While OJ calls it a gentleman'sclub, everyone else calls it a
street gang.
Yes, OJ was a hoodlum, pickingfights, stealing stuff, throwing
rocks at cars, that kind ofjerkwad stuff.
This would eventually land himin juvenile detention at the age
(10:11):
of 15, where he would spendsome time there and kind of be
in and out of juvie.
His future wife, MargaretWhitley, would even refer to him
during this time as aquote-unquote terrible person.
Nathan (10:20):
OJ, uh Well, I have no doubt he was a terrible person
even after that time, might havebeen the vitamin D deficiency.
Shaun (10:27):
Very true, maybe that's what it is.
Turns you into a violentmurderer.
Nathan (10:30):
But I mean, let's be real, from what you said, it's
kind of cute.
Oh, he went through.
I mean, I'm sure he was aslight little mess society.
But let's take a quick stepback and look at I don't know
the 90s in LA.
Let's take a quick step backand look at I don't know the 90s
in LA, just like, oh, he had agentleman's club, like, oh yeah,
what are they called?
(10:51):
You know the Crips.
Shaun (10:53):
Oh, that's a bunch of crippled people.
That's neat.
I bet you he helps them out inday-to-day activities.
It's like a South Park callbackthere.
Nathan (11:01):
Yes, exactly.
Shaun (11:03):
I was there too, timmy and Jimmy.
So in and out of Juvie and Jailwas probably going to be OJ's
destiny at this point, andthat's pretty much what
everybody believed.
Oj's family, friends and evenOJ himself was like well, I'm
obviously going to be a lifelongcriminal.
Then one day he got out ofJuvie and he got to spend the
day with his sports idol, willieMays, and Willie Mays basically
(11:24):
spent the day hanging aroundhim giving him that good old,
tried and true speech of dosports not crime.
Remember when you used to have,like you know, school
assemblies and you know somelocal like C-list athlete would
show up and be like, hey, I usedto be a backup Seahawk.
Do sports not crime, I have toexpect him to go, you know?
Nathan (11:39):
hey, don't tell anybody about this.
Shaun (11:43):
Don't tell anybody about that.
Time you saw me in a bathrobewith the other guy Bro kill your
family.
You want to play football?
Well, willie Mays' littlespeeches actually worked and OJ
decided to get into sports andstart playing high school sports
.
Oj went on to be a standouthigh school football star and
colleges were dazzled by hisperformances.
They're like, hey, this guycould be the next big thing.
(12:03):
And the colleges started liningup, being like you should come
play for a while.
Wait a minute, your gradesaren't really up to snuff and
also, you're in juvia a lot,weren't you?
Maybe we don't want yourepresenting our school.
So OJ basically had to go likea little piddly fart community
college and play football therefor a couple of years to get his
grades up and prove that youknow he's no longer the thug he
once was.
Because, yeah, he was suspendedfrom high school five times and
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went to juvie.
That's kind of a red flag for alot of things.
Nathan (12:31):
Yeah, I mean, no one really was going to be like, oh,
let me snack this guy up.
Oh, he did what now?
Shaun (12:37):
Yeah, some dude just a few years ago tanked in the NFL
draft because he uploaded avideo of him hitting a bong.
People were like can't have abong hitter smoker on our team.
Nathan (12:46):
That's so dumb.
Shaun (12:48):
Yeah, he dropped from the first round to the bottom of
the second round, lost millionsof dollars in signing bonuses
because of it.
Good times?
Well, not for him.
When was this?
This was like 2018 or somethinglike that.
Nathan (13:00):
Well, yeah, it's still too early.
Shaun (13:06):
I think now you're probably better off now.
Nah, not really.
Well, it's against the NFLrules to smoke weed.
It's a suspension if they catchyou doing it.
And you don't want to pay a guy$10 million and have him
suspended all season Because hecouldn't stop smoking weed.
That's what happened with RickyWilliams.
Ricky Williams was the NewOrleans Saints Made him one of
the highest paid running backsof all time and he immediately
(13:26):
just said I'd rather smoke potinstead and just like quit and
took the money with him.
Yep, so there you go.
Sometimes it's not good tofinance a pothead, I guess.
Nathan (13:35):
I guess, but also like I don't know, that's what that
was.
Just that one guy, yeah.
Shaun (13:39):
Anyway, anywho.
So after going to San FranciscoCity College for a while,
getting his grades up andgetting back on track, oj
finally had a college comecalling, and in 1967, the
University of SouthernCalifornia decided to snap him
up.
Yes, this is the same USCschool that started off-topic
alumni's Pete Carroll's careertoo.
Pete Carroll, oj Simpson theymeet together in this once again
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.
Nathan (14:02):
Will their sins never be forgiven.
Shaun (14:04):
Ha.
Yes, look at what USC hasbrought upon us.
Between these two and WillFerrell, I mean God, they're
just bringing about the fuckingend of times, the apocalypse.
Now that he's in college, as aUSC running back, oj would
dominate college football,leading USC to a national
championship in 1967, and hewould also earn the Heisman
Trophy in 1968.
Heisman Trophy in 1968.
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Heisman Trophy, for those ofyou who don't know, is
essentially the trophy for bestcollege player.
That year, 1967-68,.
Oj would lead college footballin rushing years, and he would
also, during this time, be avery accomplished track athlete
in college as well, and evencompeted in the 1968 Summer
Games.
This is a bit of note too,because this is the Summer Games
that Martin Luther King Jr wastrying to get all the black
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people to boycott the games dueto racism.
When he asked OJ to boycott thegames, oj responded I'm not
black, I'm OJ.
Oh, fuck off.
Apparently, that right.
There, though, is what made himlike people say.
That's what made him good inthe eyes of the racists and all
the white people.
That's what made him quote,unquote one of the good ones.
Nathan (15:03):
Of course it did.
Shaun (15:04):
Yes.
Nathan (15:05):
Of course it did.
Shaun (15:06):
And if you want an example too, my dad was one of
the most racist people you'llever meet, and he loved OJ.
He was like they need to leavethat man alone.
He also loved Bill Cosby too,so that should tell you
something.
Oh, wow, like even beforescreaming at the TV like you
can't accuse that old man ofdoing something like that.
Look at him, he's a sweet oldman.
He would never do these things.
(15:27):
He's one of the good ones.
My dad also said almost theexact same thing about it starts
with an M Rupert Murdoch.
Yeah, my dad also said RupertMurdoch was a kindly old man who
never did anything wrong.
So there's, and old people cando no harm.
As we know, that is not true.
Nathan (15:42):
After a certain age, it all doesn't matter anymore.
It doesn't Not anymore.
Shaun (15:47):
Oh, I thought you were actually being serious.
Nathan (15:49):
No, no, no, that's right please.
That is not off-topic branded.
Shaun (15:55):
That's something we say off-air to each other privately.
The men's 4x100m relay racethat OJ participated in also set
the world record that year too,so that's something kind of
neat.
During his time at USC, ojwould do a little bit of acting,
including an uncredited role onthe TV series Dragnet and also
appearing on the first episodeof Medical Center on CBS.
This little bit of acting wouldbe kind of important because in
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the 69 NFL draft, the BuffaloBills took OJ first overall.
Andj was thrilled andimmediately told the Bills to
hey, pay me, I'm going to beworth it.
And demanded the largestcontract in professional sports
history $650,000 or over fiveyears, or the equivalent of $4.1
million nowadays money which bytoday's standards, that's not a
whole lot for an actor.
That is not a lot.
(16:38):
That is like nothing.
Well, the Bills hated the ideaof paying him that much money
and they told him to saw it off,we are not paying you that much
.
To which OJ said okay, that'sfine, I'll just go be an actor,
I've got an acting resume.
And the Bills said ah, damn,you called our bluff.
So they decided to sign him andit turns out it was a wise move
, as over the next nine seasonsas a Buffalo Bill, oj would
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dominate the running back sceneand and become the
second-leading all-time rusherby yards.
During his career he was alsothe first player to rush for
more than 2,000 yards in aseason, beating out fellow
football player and actor, jimBrown.
I think Jim Brown was actuallythe original two football player
slash actor.
He was also a running back whowas in the Dirty Dozen, I think.
Yeah, he'd been in a few things.
Yeah, he even was in movies upuntil the 90s.
Nathan (17:22):
I think, yeah, he was in Mars Attacks.
Oh, yeah, he was, wasn't he?
Shaun (17:25):
Yeah, the fact is, I really don't know him from, oj
wouldn't spend his entire careeras a Buffalo Bill.
He would actually, as a tokengesture, spend the last two
years of his career in SanFrancisco playing for the city
that he grew up in.
He uh man.
By that time he was old andbroken up with bad knees, so he
didn't really contribute much,but the fans still liked it.
They're like, hey, that's ourboy, yay, our boy.
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He actually still holds a coupleof NFL records, like fastest
player to gain 1,000 rushingyards in a season and the
fastest player to gain 2,000rushing yards in a season and
most rushing yards per game in aseason, with 143 rushing yards
per game.
In case you're wondering, 100yards per game is considered
really good for a running back,so he was doing really good at
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that time.
Oh yeah, that sounds great.
Yeah, yeah, he.
Honestly, he was actually oneof the best running backs of all
time.
He was legitimately a goodfootball player.
However, he did only play inone playoff game and never won a
super bowl because and thebuffalo bill sucked back then
which kind of a bummer whenyou're known as one of the
greatest players of all time,yet you couldn't win a
championship I mean you can'tcarry it.
Nathan (18:21):
I mean they're like oh, he carries a team, yeah, I mean
yeah, especially in football.
Shaun (18:26):
I mean some sports like basketball, maybe you can kind
of, or soccer maybe.
So OJ's football career wouldend in 1979, but lucky for him,
he had already begun his actingcareer by this time.
Most famous, what he's mostfamous for was his 1975 Hertz
Rent-A-Car ad where he ranthrough an airport in a suit to
the car rental kiosk to rent acar.
Damn exciting stuff.
(18:47):
Nate, Do you remember thosecommercials?
No, Hertz rent-a-car.
No, I remember them becausethey used to play them on like
those top 10 greatestcommercials of all times kind of
things, and it was literally OJbeing like oh no, I'm late to
rent a car.
And then he just like runsthrough the airport.
He's like jumping over luggageand like doing spin tackles
around pillars and stuff.
I don't know, it's pretty lame,but I guess at the time it
might have been cool.
Nathan (19:07):
Oh, absolutely.
Shaun (19:08):
At the time I was like oh my god, yeah, it's like oh,
look at this, it's such anaction-packed commercial Because
also before that, I think mostcommercials were literally just
like a dude sitting on a stoolreading a you know teleprompter,
yeah, whole teleprompter.
Stop reading jackass by Sony.
Nathan (19:26):
Model such, such, such such.
Shaun (19:28):
Yeah, just keep rolling Volume up, volume down, power
button.
So as for bigger stuff beyondcommercials because he did a
bunch of commercials, he wasalso a spokesman for, like Chevy
and GM and all that kind ofstuff, for bigger budget stuff.
He would appear in the 1977 TVminiseries Roots and he would
also be in the 1974 motionpictures the Klansman and the
Towering Inferno ToweringInferno and Roots being very
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popular movies at the time, orshows slash movies.
I also watched Roots 2.
Had to watch it in school.
Main thing I remember that fromwas at one point they gave the
slave an option we're gonna cutoff your foot or cut off your
dinky, and he optioned to havehis foot cut off instead.
Did you ever see Roots?
I haven't.
Oh, okay, it was a movie aboutslavery and slavery.
Nathan (20:05):
Well, yeah, I mean, I know it was about Jordi LaForge
was in it.
Shaun (20:10):
Oh, yeah, he was, wasn't he?
Yeah, it was Kunta Kinte slashToby.
I don't know.
It's yeah, it's exactly whatyou think it was, yeah.
Nathan (20:19):
You If you read the description.
Shaun (20:20):
Yeah, if you read the description you'll be like, okay
, I can kind of figure out howthis movie goes.
Yeah, which you can do that fora lot of movies.
To be honest, oj Simpson wasbig into acting, even to the
point where he formed his ownstudio, orenthal Productions,
which made some made-for-TVmovies in the late 70s and early
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80s.
Those movies included Goldieand the them.
I kind of like the titleCocaine and Blue Eyes.
That's kind of a cool movietitle Cocaine and Blue Eyes.
Actually it sounds kind of likea Johnny Cash song or something
he sings.
Nathan (20:52):
It all soulfully.
Cocaine and.
Shaun (20:55):
Blue Eyes or really manic , because he's on cocaine.
Depends on what era of JohnnyCash we're in, true, yep, it's
very true.
Also, johnny Cash were in, true.
Yep, it's very true.
Also, the movie Detour toTerror kind of has a fun
description.
It's um a homicidal dune buggytrio terrorizes a busload of Las
Vegas-bound tourists with theintent to kidnap one of them.
So basically what we weretalking about earlier, but
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instead of iron lungs it's dunebuggies, I guess.
Oh, there you go, yep, but Ijust like Dune Buggy Trio Kind
of makes me think of Speed BuggyGone Bad, I guess.
Also, in the mid-70s, oj metboth his future wife, nicole
Brown, and also made friendswith two other eventual famous
people, the Menendez brothers,eric and Lyle Menendez.
Oh, jesus, ha, ha, yep, in caseyou don't know, eric and Lyle
(21:39):
Menendez were convicted in andLyle Menendez were convicted in
what was it?
Late 80s, early 90s ofmurdering their parents for
inheritance money.
I want to say the 90s.
Yeah, I think it was very early90s, man, the only thing I
remember that from was the SNLsketch they did about it.
Weird associations, I haveRight.
In 1978, oj hosted SNL and hewas only the second athlete to
(21:59):
do so at the time, brianTarkenton being the first Brian
to do so at the time, brianTarkenton being the first, brian
Tarkenton being an odd pickbecause I don't know, he didn't
seem like a very personableperson, very generic and boring,
white.
Nathan (22:08):
And apparently, from what I heard, I don't know how
accurate it is, so take it witha grain of salt but apparently
Lorne Michaels, the head guy ofSNL, was friends with OJ,
which's like there's somebodyhigher up than Lorne Michaels
that did that.
I thought it was like I didn'tthink anybody was higher up than
(22:29):
Lorne Michaels.
I thought he was like.
Shaun (22:31):
Brandon Tartikoff is way higher than Lorne Michaels.
Lorne Michaels just does SNL, Iknow just SNL.
Nathan (22:37):
I'm not speaking for anyone else I?
Mean, I guess, I mean, I guesssomeone from on high can come to
him, but from what myunderstanding is, of course,
it's just like Lorne Michaelsrunning this place like
basically a dictator.
Shaun (22:48):
We'll find out real quick .
Let's see, don Ohlmeyer was theguy who gave the order to have
him fired, nbc West CoastDivision President Don Ohlmeyer,
who happened to be an extremelyclose friend of Simpson.
There you go.
Okay, so it wasn't LorneMichaels.
Nope, it was't Lorne Michaels.
Nathan (23:02):
It was not Lorne Michaels, because I knew it was
someone in charge, but I justused to recognize.
I thought it was Lorne Michaels.
Shaun (23:09):
Just automatically assumed as notorious scumbag
Lorne Michaels.
Nathan (23:11):
How dare you?
I mean it's not like, no, notpoor innocent Lorne Michaels
Right.
Shaun (23:17):
How dare you assume the dude who did all sorts of
scumbag things did another,another scumbag.
I mean that's very subdued.
Nathan (23:23):
How did he forget about all the puppies he saved by
killing them?
He saved that pup Remember hewent around town picking up all
those poor lost puppies andselling them to the wet market.
Wait, the wet market's what now?
Shaun (23:35):
Yeah, oh, that's where they just sell wet puppies.
No, no, that's where they drownthem, it turns out yeah.
Nathan (23:42):
I thought so.
They only sold damn puppiesover there, though.
Shaun (23:47):
Also around this time.
According to ArnoldSchwarzenegger, james Cameron
actually considered OJ Simpsonto play the role of the
Terminator, but decided againstit because of OJ's reputation as
a nice guy or, quote-unquote,one of the good ones.
Right, yeah, that does soundfamiliar.
Nathan (23:59):
It does sound familiar, that does sound familiar.
Shaun (24:00):
It does sound familiar I've heard this before but the
only person that backs this oneup, too, is Arnold
Schwarzenegger.
I've never actually seen JamesCameron say that, so I don't
know Not saying ArnoldSchwarzenegger's a liar, but you
know, I mean, I'm also sayinghe could have misremembered
stuff too, I mean also.
I mean I have nothing againstthe Terminator, but I'm also not
going to take everything heyeah, okay yeah, um, some of
(24:22):
these celebrities, as they'regetting really old nowadays
they're starting to tell somekind of tall stories.
It makes you go.
Did that happen?
Especially like hulk hogan'skind of going off on some weird
stuff nowadays?
Nathan (24:31):
yeah, oh man speaking of hulk hogan.
There's, um, it's a documentarycoming.
I want to see it's produced by,uh, kevin nash, like what
happened to just who killed thewcw, or something like that.
I mean, it's, the wcw was thelast time I cared.
Yeah, it's, it's been.
Shaun (24:46):
It's been a long time since I gave you eric bischoff
and vince russo that killed it.
Wcw there.
I saved you well, hogan too Iguess.
Nathan (24:54):
Yeah, well, I, I assume that this is like, I guess, from
the wrestler's point of viewI'm guessing the whole thing was
a huge clusterfuck.
Shaun (25:01):
It's basically the uh inmates were running the asylum
at that place.
Nathan (25:04):
Oh, for real.
Okay, yeah, I mean I can seethat.
I mean I really did.
I really did love a WCW forquite a while.
And then, like I said before,when I moved out there, I was
really upset, like I'm not goingto be able to see.
My uncle didn't have cable andI tried to watch it once.
It was all scrambled becauseagain, I didn't get cable.
(25:27):
So I kind of remember seeingGoldberg for a second and then
or some other bald dude.
Yeah, exactly, and fast forwardabout a month.
I realized I hadn't evenattempted to try to see if I can
watch it and I realized, wait,I don't care anymore.
Shaun (25:48):
I was going to say you thought you were a wrestling
addict, but you were just acasual wrestler user.
It turns out, yep.
No withdrawals or nothingYou're just like well, that's
easy to quit.
Meanwhile, there's plenty ofpeople in wrestling rehab right
now being like you, son of abitch.
Yeah, I sucked a dick forwrestling.
What have you done for it?
Nathan (26:03):
I'm sorry.
Yeah, I know that really sucks,but yeah, I'm good.
1985,.
Shaun (26:09):
OJ and Nicole Brown get married Because Nicole Brown
Simpson as she'd be known fromthen on.
Apparently Because whenever Ithink Nicole Brown, I just
automatically fill in theSimpson at the end.
I don't know, even though she'dprobably prefer if you didn't
do that.
Nathan (26:22):
Yeah, especially nowadays.
Would you please not add thename of the person who killed
her at the end of that?
Right, it reminds me.
It just took me to a brief, uhreddit story that I heard read,
whatever, and the guy wastalking about like how his uh,
he had a bunch of family whodied and he would keep them
going to these graves.
Like they're down a caraccident or something, um, and
(26:43):
he was going putting flowers inthe grave but he always noticed
there's someone next to him likethey shared a similar next plot
over and there was no one evercame to it there's never flowers
.
So he started buying flowersfor that, um, for that unknown
gravestone, and he did this forlike months and finally he's
like who is this person?
And come to find out it wassomeone who murdered his wife
and kids so some flowers forjohn, the baby raper, and he's
(27:06):
like damn it.
So he wanted to kind of likeeven the karma scale out, and he
went, started deliveringflowers to the wife he murdered
and the kids, and while he wasthere, though, some other woman
was there.
So oh, why are you putting umflowers on my aunt's grave?
And he's just like was verykind of like, oh, you know, this
happened, and they both foundit kind of funny.
Shaun (27:25):
And then I'm getting married, so yeah, and now every
anniversary they go pee on thatman's grave that murdered her
Right.
Nathan (27:32):
That's how they bond together.
We do this as a family.
Shaun (27:36):
I thought that's what you were going to say.
First, instead of buyingflowers for the other grave, he
just started whizzing on it.
Oh yeah, 1987, oj has a cameoin the movie Back to the Beach,
starring 1960s crooner FrankieAvalon and original mascoteer
Annette Funicello.
Don't recognize those names?
Ask your grandparents, theywill probably know.
Yeah, I do not recognize thenames.
Uh yeah, frankie Avalon I gotto listen to a lot of his music
(27:58):
because I was forced into like50s and 60s stuff back in the
day.
It's teeny bop crooner musicand Annette Funicello was a
Mascoteer who went on to like dosome.
The only reason they ever hiredthose two in movies was so you
know, your parents could be likehey, I don't know that name,
johnny there's.
Nathan (28:15):
There's a guy, the name I recognize yeah, exactly
they're making their comeback.
Kids these days don't know whatthey're missing with the
original mouse kateers yeah, theonly older stuff I used to be
forced to watch and I emphasizethat forced to watch because I
don't know what I think I didnot willingly was, um, fucking
lawrence wilk.
Yeah, do you ever?
Shaun (28:35):
watch lawrence wilk?
No, because he was on cbs and Ididn't get cbs.
Yeah, yeah, I was forced towatch.
Maybe it's pbs is one of thetwo, but, yeah, I never got to
watch that.
I know of lawrence wilk though,the polka master himself.
Oh my god.
And oh my god and well, it'sthat, and also.
Nathan (28:53):
This sounds really chill , but my uh, my uh, stepfather,
he there used to be this guy onthere who danced you know what.
Never mind, let's just say I'mgonna stop there.
Let's just say, yeah, they'reuh did?
Shaun (29:05):
did he throw peanuts at the tv when this man was dancing
?
Nathan (29:07):
it's like dance, no no, no, let's just say he was the
only black person on the showand my british stepfather was
racist and you probably can hearthis going, and he had a name
for him and it was a, let's say,um, a certain slur on a stick.
I'm like aha, like, come on man, like that's not cool.
(29:29):
I mean I didn't, I didn't, Ididn't like it, but then again,
you know he was, he was big andscary, so I wouldn't exactly go
to his face Like hey don't saythat.
But yeah, it's just every time Ithink of Lawrence Wilk, I think
of that.
I'm like man that's fucked up.
Shaun (29:41):
Just gotta hate when those memories you don't want
get imprinted with certainthings Right.
Nathan (29:47):
Like why do you about Lauren Wilk?
Shaun (29:49):
Yeah, it's about this black man he had on the show,
but it's not really about thatblack man either as a person.
Nathan (29:56):
I must have to stress, it is not about him.
Shaun (30:01):
Yeah, that's one of those things where, when you're
explaining it, you need tophrase it very carefully.
Yeah, put the modifiers beforewhat you're about to say.
Serious.
Nathan (30:10):
Okay, I need to lead into this.
Shaun (30:12):
It's going to take me a couple minutes to get there,
right, so it's kind of likethere's a story that goes with
this because if I just jumpstraight into the subject or the
ending, alright, 1988, 1991,and 1994 sees OJ starring
alongside Leslie Nielsen in theNaked Gun film trilogy Series
holds a soft spot in my heart.
Also, apparently there's aremake coming out soon starring
(30:33):
Liam Neeson, and it's going tobe written by the guy who did
the new Chip and Dale movie,produced by Seth MacFarlane.
So that might be kind of cool.
That might be cool.
Nathan (30:40):
Yeah.
Shaun (30:40):
I think it's.
Nathan (30:42):
I mean because when he took over that, leslie Nielsen
took over that role, from myunderstanding, he was still more
.
I'm not saying he didn't do anycomedy, but he was more known
for his dramatic stuff.
Shaun (30:56):
Yes, Airplane was the first comedy I think he ever did
, and before that it was like,yeah, it was all like high drama
.
Yeah, the thing I rememberreminding him for was back in
the 60s he was on Disney's SwampFox as the Swamp Fox, which was
back in like theSpanish-American War or
something like that back in, afamous character from back then
had a catchy theme song Swampfox, swamp fox, tail in his hat.
(31:17):
Nobody knows where the swampfox at Swamp fox, swamp fox
hiding in the trees, I don'tknow.
Anyways, that's what I got towatch in my childhood.
Yeah, I hear your silence,stunned silence.
I can't.
Nathan (31:28):
I'm trying to remember Swamp.
I don't know what you'retalking about.
Shaun (31:31):
Yeah, I mean it was like a really short series.
It was just kind of one ofthose Disney Sunday matinee kind
of things.
Man, oh, right, right, yeahyeah, it was live action too,
not animated, so we gave lesscraps about it back then.
Live action, yeah yeah, there'sno singing, dancing mouse and
duck on this.
Shenanigans kill them all.
(31:54):
And that's gonna do it for thefirst half.
On our episode about oj simpson, tune in next week for the
second half when we discuss theeight team knockoff starring oj.
We never got oj's arrest andmurder trial, kato kalin's
acting career, oj's death, andwe talk about where we think
oj's trial ranks among thetrials of the century.
All this and more on the nextepisode of offed off topic.
OJ Simpson, that famous football player, slash murderer,
allegedly that everybody knowsand some people love.
That's our subject for the day,Nate.
What do you know about OJSimpson?
Nathan (00:10):
Allegedly.
Shaun (00:11):
Allegedly.
Nathan (00:13):
I guess we have to say allegedly, even though it's
everyone knows yeah.
Everyone knows I was like I'mgoing to go help find the real
killers.
No, you won't.
Shaun (00:26):
He also wrote a book questioning whether or not he
did it.
We'll get into that shortly.
Nathan (00:30):
Yeah, okay, We'll get into it right now.
Yeah, I didn't know OJ Simpsonas a football player because I
don't care about football.
My first experience with OJSimpson was Naked Gun, and then
my second interaction with OJSimpson interaction being, you
know, just being where heexisted was White Bronco.
Shaun (00:49):
So but Al Cowlings I believe Al Cowlings was the one
driving the Bronco and OJ was inthe backseat with a gun against
his head and a phone in theother hand.
If I recall from the courtroomsketches and stuff like that.
Nathan (00:59):
Right and it's like and nowadays they would just gun
them down.
Shaun (01:03):
You're right.
Well, it depends on how famousyou are.
Oj was pretty famous back inthe day.
Nathan (01:07):
Yeah, I think it was also the nineties they would gun
them down.
You're right.
Yeah, I'll back on that.
Yeah, uh, in fact, in thenineties, the cops didn't have
any like if you're right Now orthen, there would have been like
(01:27):
a thousand cops following him.
Shaun (01:29):
Yeah, They'd be like hold up, he's one of the good ones.
Nathan (01:32):
Like the cops in A Dark Night with all the
down-to-the-tones campaign.
Shaun (01:35):
All the cops were following OJ Simpson you ready
to learn about the life andtimes of one Orenthal Simpson?
Nathan (01:43):
Let's do it.
Shaun (01:44):
All right.
July 9th 1947.
Eunice Simpson spreads hergoalposts wide and out her end
zone rushes a football-sizedOrenthal, Julius Simpson.
He comes out of the womb fullydecked out in pads and a helmet
and he spikes the placenta anddoes a touchdown dance.
When he comes out In the cornerat baby Pete Carroll chews gum
and nods approvingly.
Oj's mother was an orderly at apsychiatric ward and his father
(02:05):
was Jimmy Lee Simpson, acustodian at the Federal Reserve
and possibly an out-and-prouddrag queen who died of AIDS in
1986 or 1985, depending on whoyou asked.
Possibly I say possibly a dragqueen, because there's only a
couple of mentions of him beinga drag queen and they're all
from like the recent years, like2016, and on One the recent
years like 2016, and on One ofthem is a book written by George
(02:27):
Carposie Jr.
Basically, it has an accountfrom a drag queen in San
Francisco who claims quote MamaSimpson, as he was known to me,
used to hang around a hotelwhere I lived and was frequently
dressed in drag.
Everyone knew he was OJ's dad.
That's evidence.
One Also, apparently, jeffreyToobin wrote a book that claimed
that he was a drag queen.
Yes, that same Jeffrey Toobinwho was caught with his pants
(02:48):
down on a Zoom meeting at a CNN.
Remember that Nate JeffreyToobin His name got turned into
a verb for a while.
Nathan (02:54):
Yeah, that's.
Is that the guy?
Was it CNN?
Yeah, it was like, yeah, theywere at a Skype meeting and he
went off to take care of himselfand everyone's like, oh my god,
we're still here, that guy.
Shaun (03:04):
Yeah, I think he actually loaded up the thing and he had
no pants on and was going totown on himself or something
along those lines.
Nathan (03:10):
The one I know of.
He had gotten up.
Maybe he had no pants on atthat point, but he got up, went
over the couch while his camerawas still on to start going.
All the people were going noHuh.
Shaun (03:22):
Maybe that's what it was.
Nathan (03:23):
I went ahead and like, yeah, okay, I get it.
You weren't trying to showeverybody what was going on, but
come on, man, you know.
Shaun (03:32):
When asked exactly what happens, toobin said I'd rather
not go into the grisly details.
The only thing I'll say aboutit is I didn't know.
Other people were on the Zoomcall and they were watching.
Nathan (03:43):
And this was not an intentional act on my part.
But, that being said, what do?
Shaun (03:46):
you give it Nine out of ten.
Yeah, the other evidence, too,is a 2016 documentary called OJ,
made in America.
In that documentary, one of OJSimpson's childhood friends,
calvin, said One day we wentover to his dad's house and we
knocked on the door.
When his dad opened the door,he was in a bathrobe, which is
not a crime.
When his dad opened the door,he was in a bathrobe, which is
not a crime.
But then he kind of opened thedoor more and there was a guy in
the back and he was in abathrobe too, and it was obvious
(04:08):
that he was gay.
So, and also keep in mind, ojSimpson's dad like abandoned him
at the age of four.
So this is a four-year-old'squotations, being like, hey,
yeah, sure he was gay.
So I don't know.
Like I said, all theseaccusations came out long after
OJ's dad was dead, and this andthat, and it seemed like it was
mainly to sell books.
So eh eh.
Nathan (04:28):
I mean, it doesn't really matter in the long run,
but just for the sake of likeclarity.
Yeah, I wouldn't trust afour-year-old's recollection,
especially after you know you'retalking for years.
Everyone's like oh yeah, he's adrag queen and then let's be,
let's be happy.
He stopped at like I saw a guyin a bathroom behind him versus
(04:49):
like yeah, he gave me a.
Shaun (04:50):
Come hither look.
Nathan (04:52):
Right, like I saw he opened the door, some guy was
like balls deep behind him.
Right, there's a little.
Shaun (05:00):
There's a little bit of a leeway there between like we
thought he was bending over pickup his shoes by the door, but
it turns out another guy happensto be there versus, like you
know, full raw doggy and throwsome kids one reason this kind
of matters?
Because people like to try totie this back into some of the
uh homophobic stuff oj saidduring the murder case and
whatever, and they're like ohwell, this shows you right here
(05:20):
why he's such a troubled,horrible man and this and that
so eh.
Nathan (05:24):
But I don't know, the gays, yeah, the gays, even back
then, like oh, why did she die?
The gays?
Shaun (05:31):
Yep Also, his obituary says he died of cancer, not AIDS
.
But also that's kind of one ofthose things back in the day.
If he did die of AIDS, youprobably didn't want people to.
So there we go.
His dad gay Maybe.
Question mark.
Question mark.
As for OJ, him and his familygrew up in the poor part of San
Francisco and was fashionablewith poor children.
At the time, oj developed acase of the rickets at the age
of two and gave him bowed legs.
(05:53):
His mother whooped him up somehomemade.
Nathan (05:56):
As was fashionable at the time.
Shaun (05:57):
As was fashionable at the time.
Hey, if you're a kid back then,you're poor.
You either got the rickets oryou got polio, and if you didn't
have one of those, all theother poor kids made fun of you.
Nathan (06:07):
Haha, look at that kid over there.
Shaun (06:08):
He's never had rickets.
Yeah right, Isn't that funny.
Jimmy and the Iron Long yeah.
Nathan (06:16):
Yeah, we all laugh at Jimmy and the Iron Long, but
that motherfucker was an asshole.
He was the worst bully of allof them.
He would just run over people'shands.
He's like whoops.
He'd have his friends hold downthe jocks, like all of his
crippled friends holding jocksdown, while he slowly, like,
rolls over them Like in.
Aladdin, he's like rolling downthe hill.
He's gotta quickly find thewindow where it gets crushed.
(06:39):
Ha, uh, yeah.
Shaun (06:42):
Yep.
That was one of the leadingcauses of deaths For street
urchins back in the day, beingrun over by bullies and iron
lungs.
Nathan (06:48):
The scourge Of iron lungs.
Rolling down the hill, rollingdown with a biker gang, like in
a perfect V Everybody'spanicking, Grabbing their
children running inside theirhouses.
Shaun (07:01):
Oh no, the iron lung gang is coming.
People like hiding behind thewindows, you know?
No, the iron lung gang iscoming.
Yeah, people like hiding behindthe windows, you know, the iron
lung just slowly rolls by withthe head turning and staring at
them.
Nathan (07:12):
Uh, yep, okay, uh, they're pretty.
I mean I'm not exactlyadvocating for killing people
out of the lungs, I don't, youknow, I don't even know if I see
an iron lung, but like, what'sthe point?
I mean, there's one guy.
He's like oh, one guy recentlydied.
He was 70 something.
He spent his entire life iniron long, you know, like he was
a lawyer.
I'm like a lawyer for what?
(07:34):
Like, at what point?
I know you could be a lawyerand like, do paperwork, but
again, the only thing he hadaccess to was his face.
Shaun (07:42):
So he was an expert at teleconferencing.
Nathan (07:44):
Basically would be my guess but he was 76 and met a
lawyer most of his life.
He wasn't a recent thing so itwas um.
Shaun (07:53):
He communicated by a pigeon, I guess, stuck little
notes on them sent him out.
Nathan (07:57):
I mean, I am by no means advocating putting people on
iron lungs out of their abilitybut.
Shaun (08:02):
but they say you're on trial for murdering 30 people in
iron lungs with a pillow.
You just walked up and pushed apillow over their face.
Nathan (08:11):
We have this audio.
If you hadn't noticed, in theaudio I never was advocating to
put people out of their misery.
Shaun (08:18):
Hey, I may have left a hanging but You'll notice I said
I don't advocate for otherpeople to murder people in iron
lungs.
I never said about myself, butin case you wonder what iron
lung is too, I believe it'sbecause your muscles are so weak
you can't breathe anymore likemove your diaphragm breathe, so
that actual whole lung justbasically works like a giant,
like bellows, to pump air in andout of you yeah, totally I mean
(08:40):
yeah, as a life-saving device Ithink it's a miracle.
Nathan (08:42):
But again, but again it's like it really should be
like a temporary measure, not apermanent one.
But again, I mean, whateverPeople have loved ones.
If I had a loved one like mydaughter was an iron lung I'd
probably be like, no, let herlive.
So I mean.
Shaun (08:56):
I'd be like chasing away the horde of people outside with
pillows being like we're herefor an angel of death for your
daughter.
You, You're an angel of deathfor your daughter.
You're like no Look at her.
We wheel her in the backyardtwice a week.
Nathan (09:05):
She has fun, right?
So yeah, just you knowabstractly, with me having no
say over it, I'd be like no, putthem all in the misery.
But yeah, I mean someone goes.
Well, what if your kid I'm ahypocrite.
Shaun (09:17):
There you go, but thankfully your kids aren't in
iron lungs.
All they have is the rickets.
And, by the way, in case you'rewondering what rickets is, it's
a softening of the bones due toa vitamin D deficiency.
Nathan (09:26):
I always wondered what it was.
Yeah, I mean because I know.
Shaun (09:30):
Because you always hear about the rickets and stuff like
that.
It's like oh so bode-y.
It looked like he had therickets when he was a kid.
Nathan (09:37):
Yep, and there's a funeral home called Rick that I
want to pass by Ha.
Shaun (09:43):
Old rickety cricket running his.
Nathan (09:46):
Rickety cricket.
Is that Jiminy's like long-lostbrother?
Shaun (09:50):
Yes, Fast forward to the age of 1960, and at the age of
13, OJ Simpson forms what hecalls a gentleman's club known
as the Persian Warriors.
While OJ calls it a gentleman'sclub, everyone else calls it a
street gang.
Yes, OJ was a hoodlum, pickingfights, stealing stuff, throwing
rocks at cars, that kind ofjerkwad stuff.
This would eventually land himin juvenile detention at the age
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of 15, where he would spendsome time there and kind of be
in and out of juvie.
His future wife, MargaretWhitley, would even refer to him
during this time as aquote-unquote terrible person.
Nathan (10:20):
OJ, uh Well, I have no doubt he was a terrible person
even after that time, might havebeen the vitamin D deficiency.
Shaun (10:27):
Very true, maybe that's what it is.
Turns you into a violentmurderer.
Nathan (10:30):
But I mean, let's be real, from what you said, it's
kind of cute.
Oh, he went through.
I mean, I'm sure he was aslight little mess society.
But let's take a quick stepback and look at I don't know
the 90s in LA.
Let's take a quick step backand look at I don't know the 90s
in LA, just like, oh, he had agentleman's club, like, oh yeah,
what are they called?
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You know the Crips.
Shaun (10:53):
Oh, that's a bunch of crippled people.
That's neat.
I bet you he helps them out inday-to-day activities.
It's like a South Park callbackthere.
Nathan (11:01):
Yes, exactly.
Shaun (11:03):
I was there too, timmy and Jimmy.
So in and out of Juvie and Jailwas probably going to be OJ's
destiny at this point, andthat's pretty much what
everybody believed.
Oj's family, friends and evenOJ himself was like well, I'm
obviously going to be a lifelongcriminal.
Then one day he got out ofJuvie and he got to spend the
day with his sports idol, willieMays, and Willie Mays basically
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spent the day hanging aroundhim giving him that good old,
tried and true speech of dosports not crime.
Remember when you used to have,like you know, school
assemblies and you know somelocal like C-list athlete would
show up and be like, hey, I usedto be a backup Seahawk.
Do sports not crime, I have toexpect him to go, you know?
Nathan (11:39):
hey, don't tell anybody about this.
Shaun (11:43):
Don't tell anybody about that.
Time you saw me in a bathrobewith the other guy Bro kill your
family.
You want to play football?
Well, willie Mays' littlespeeches actually worked and OJ
decided to get into sports andstart playing high school sports
.
Oj went on to be a standouthigh school football star and
colleges were dazzled by hisperformances.
They're like, hey, this guycould be the next big thing.
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And the colleges started liningup, being like you should come
play for a while.
Wait a minute, your gradesaren't really up to snuff and
also, you're in juvia a lot,weren't you?
Maybe we don't want yourepresenting our school.
So OJ basically had to go likea little piddly fart community
college and play football therefor a couple of years to get his
grades up and prove that youknow he's no longer the thug he
once was.
Because, yeah, he was suspendedfrom high school five times and
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went to juvie.
That's kind of a red flag for alot of things.
Nathan (12:31):
Yeah, I mean, no one really was going to be like, oh,
let me snack this guy up.
Oh, he did what now?
Shaun (12:37):
Yeah, some dude just a few years ago tanked in the NFL
draft because he uploaded avideo of him hitting a bong.
People were like can't have abong hitter smoker on our team.
Nathan (12:46):
That's so dumb.
Shaun (12:48):
Yeah, he dropped from the first round to the bottom of
the second round, lost millionsof dollars in signing bonuses
because of it.
Good times?
Well, not for him.
When was this?
This was like 2018 or somethinglike that.
Nathan (13:00):
Well, yeah, it's still too early.
Shaun (13:06):
I think now you're probably better off now.
Nah, not really.
Well, it's against the NFLrules to smoke weed.
It's a suspension if they catchyou doing it.
And you don't want to pay a guy$10 million and have him
suspended all season Because hecouldn't stop smoking weed.
That's what happened with RickyWilliams.
Ricky Williams was the NewOrleans Saints Made him one of
the highest paid running backsof all time and he immediately
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just said I'd rather smoke potinstead and just like quit and
took the money with him.
Yep, so there you go.
Sometimes it's not good tofinance a pothead, I guess.
Nathan (13:35):
I guess, but also like I don't know, that's what that
was.
Just that one guy, yeah.
Shaun (13:39):
Anyway, anywho.
So after going to San FranciscoCity College for a while,
getting his grades up andgetting back on track, oj
finally had a college comecalling, and in 1967, the
University of SouthernCalifornia decided to snap him
up.
Yes, this is the same USCschool that started off-topic
alumni's Pete Carroll's careertoo.
Pete Carroll, oj Simpson theymeet together in this once again
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.
Nathan (14:02):
Will their sins never be forgiven.
Shaun (14:04):
Ha.
Yes, look at what USC hasbrought upon us.
Between these two and WillFerrell, I mean God, they're
just bringing about the fuckingend of times, the apocalypse.
Now that he's in college, as aUSC running back, oj would
dominate college football,leading USC to a national
championship in 1967, and hewould also earn the Heisman
Trophy in 1968.
Heisman Trophy in 1968.
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Heisman Trophy, for those ofyou who don't know, is
essentially the trophy for bestcollege player.
That year, 1967-68,.
Oj would lead college footballin rushing years, and he would
also, during this time, be avery accomplished track athlete
in college as well, and evencompeted in the 1968 Summer
Games.
This is a bit of note too,because this is the Summer Games
that Martin Luther King Jr wastrying to get all the black
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people to boycott the games dueto racism.
When he asked OJ to boycott thegames, oj responded I'm not
black, I'm OJ.
Oh, fuck off.
Apparently, that right.
There, though, is what made himlike people say.
That's what made him good inthe eyes of the racists and all
the white people.
That's what made him quote,unquote one of the good ones.
Nathan (15:03):
Of course it did.
Shaun (15:04):
Yes.
Nathan (15:05):
Of course it did.
Shaun (15:06):
And if you want an example too, my dad was one of
the most racist people you'llever meet, and he loved OJ.
He was like they need to leavethat man alone.
He also loved Bill Cosby too,so that should tell you
something.
Oh, wow, like even beforescreaming at the TV like you
can't accuse that old man ofdoing something like that.
Look at him, he's a sweet oldman.
He would never do these things.
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He's one of the good ones.
My dad also said almost theexact same thing about it starts
with an M Rupert Murdoch.
Yeah, my dad also said RupertMurdoch was a kindly old man who
never did anything wrong.
So there's, and old people cando no harm.
As we know, that is not true.
Nathan (15:42):
After a certain age, it all doesn't matter anymore.
It doesn't Not anymore.
Shaun (15:47):
Oh, I thought you were actually being serious.
Nathan (15:49):
No, no, no, that's right please.
That is not off-topic branded.
Shaun (15:55):
That's something we say off-air to each other privately.
The men's 4x100m relay racethat OJ participated in also set
the world record that year too,so that's something kind of
neat.
During his time at USC, ojwould do a little bit of acting,
including an uncredited role onthe TV series Dragnet and also
appearing on the first episodeof Medical Center on CBS.
This little bit of acting wouldbe kind of important because in
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the 69 NFL draft, the BuffaloBills took OJ first overall.
Andj was thrilled andimmediately told the Bills to
hey, pay me, I'm going to beworth it.
And demanded the largestcontract in professional sports
history $650,000 or over fiveyears, or the equivalent of $4.1
million nowadays money which bytoday's standards, that's not a
whole lot for an actor.
That is not a lot.
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That is like nothing.
Well, the Bills hated the ideaof paying him that much money
and they told him to saw it off,we are not paying you that much
.
To which OJ said okay, that'sfine, I'll just go be an actor,
I've got an acting resume.
And the Bills said ah, damn,you called our bluff.
So they decided to sign him andit turns out it was a wise move
, as over the next nine seasonsas a Buffalo Bill, oj would
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dominate the running back sceneand and become the
second-leading all-time rusherby yards.
During his career he was alsothe first player to rush for
more than 2,000 yards in aseason, beating out fellow
football player and actor, jimBrown.
I think Jim Brown was actuallythe original two football player
slash actor.
He was also a running back whowas in the Dirty Dozen, I think.
Yeah, he'd been in a few things.
Yeah, he even was in movies upuntil the 90s.
Nathan (17:22):
I think, yeah, he was in Mars Attacks.
Oh, yeah, he was, wasn't he?
Shaun (17:25):
Yeah, the fact is, I really don't know him from, oj
wouldn't spend his entire careeras a Buffalo Bill.
He would actually, as a tokengesture, spend the last two
years of his career in SanFrancisco playing for the city
that he grew up in.
He uh man.
By that time he was old andbroken up with bad knees, so he
didn't really contribute much,but the fans still liked it.
They're like, hey, that's ourboy, yay, our boy.
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He actually still holds a coupleof NFL records, like fastest
player to gain 1,000 rushingyards in a season and the
fastest player to gain 2,000rushing yards in a season and
most rushing yards per game in aseason, with 143 rushing yards
per game.
In case you're wondering, 100yards per game is considered
really good for a running back,so he was doing really good at
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that time.
Oh yeah, that sounds great.
Yeah, yeah, he.
Honestly, he was actually oneof the best running backs of all
time.
He was legitimately a goodfootball player.
However, he did only play inone playoff game and never won a
super bowl because and thebuffalo bill sucked back then
which kind of a bummer whenyou're known as one of the
greatest players of all time,yet you couldn't win a
championship I mean you can'tcarry it.
Nathan (18:21):
I mean they're like oh, he carries a team, yeah, I mean
yeah, especially in football.
Shaun (18:26):
I mean some sports like basketball, maybe you can kind
of, or soccer maybe.
So OJ's football career wouldend in 1979, but lucky for him,
he had already begun his actingcareer by this time.
Most famous, what he's mostfamous for was his 1975 Hertz
Rent-A-Car ad where he ranthrough an airport in a suit to
the car rental kiosk to rent acar.
Damn exciting stuff.
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Nate, Do you remember thosecommercials?
No, Hertz rent-a-car.
No, I remember them becausethey used to play them on like
those top 10 greatestcommercials of all times kind of
things, and it was literally OJbeing like oh no, I'm late to
rent a car.
And then he just like runsthrough the airport.
He's like jumping over luggageand like doing spin tackles
around pillars and stuff.
I don't know, it's pretty lame,but I guess at the time it
might have been cool.
Nathan (19:07):
Oh, absolutely.
Shaun (19:08):
At the time I was like oh my god, yeah, it's like oh,
look at this, it's such anaction-packed commercial Because
also before that, I think mostcommercials were literally just
like a dude sitting on a stoolreading a you know teleprompter,
yeah, whole teleprompter.
Stop reading jackass by Sony.
Nathan (19:26):
Model such, such, such such.
Shaun (19:28):
Yeah, just keep rolling Volume up, volume down, power
button.
So as for bigger stuff beyondcommercials because he did a
bunch of commercials, he wasalso a spokesman for, like Chevy
and GM and all that kind ofstuff, for bigger budget stuff.
He would appear in the 1977 TVminiseries Roots and he would
also be in the 1974 motionpictures the Klansman and the
Towering Inferno ToweringInferno and Roots being very
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popular movies at the time, orshows slash movies.
I also watched Roots 2.
Had to watch it in school.
Main thing I remember that fromwas at one point they gave the
slave an option we're gonna cutoff your foot or cut off your
dinky, and he optioned to havehis foot cut off instead.
Did you ever see Roots?
I haven't.
Oh, okay, it was a movie aboutslavery and slavery.
Nathan (20:05):
Well, yeah, I mean, I know it was about Jordi LaForge
was in it.
Shaun (20:10):
Oh, yeah, he was, wasn't he?
Yeah, it was Kunta Kinte slashToby.
I don't know.
It's yeah, it's exactly whatyou think it was, yeah.
Nathan (20:19):
You If you read the description.
Shaun (20:20):
Yeah, if you read the description you'll be like, okay
, I can kind of figure out howthis movie goes.
Yeah, which you can do that fora lot of movies.
To be honest, oj Simpson wasbig into acting, even to the
point where he formed his ownstudio, orenthal Productions,
which made some made-for-TVmovies in the late 70s and early
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80s.
Those movies included Goldieand the them.
I kind of like the titleCocaine and Blue Eyes.
That's kind of a cool movietitle Cocaine and Blue Eyes.
Actually it sounds kind of likea Johnny Cash song or something
he sings.
Nathan (20:52):
It all soulfully.
Cocaine and.
Shaun (20:55):
Blue Eyes or really manic , because he's on cocaine.
Depends on what era of JohnnyCash we're in, true, yep, it's
very true.
Also, johnny Cash were in, true.
Yep, it's very true.
Also, the movie Detour toTerror kind of has a fun
description.
It's um a homicidal dune buggytrio terrorizes a busload of Las
Vegas-bound tourists with theintent to kidnap one of them.
So basically what we weretalking about earlier, but
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instead of iron lungs it's dunebuggies, I guess.
Oh, there you go, yep, but Ijust like Dune Buggy Trio Kind
of makes me think of Speed BuggyGone Bad, I guess.
Also, in the mid-70s, oj metboth his future wife, nicole
Brown, and also made friendswith two other eventual famous
people, the Menendez brothers,eric and Lyle Menendez.
Oh, jesus, ha, ha, yep, in caseyou don't know, eric and Lyle
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Menendez were convicted in andLyle Menendez were convicted in
what was it?
Late 80s, early 90s ofmurdering their parents for
inheritance money.
I want to say the 90s.
Yeah, I think it was very early90s, man, the only thing I
remember that from was the SNLsketch they did about it.
Weird associations, I haveRight.
In 1978, oj hosted SNL and hewas only the second athlete to
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do so at the time, brianTarkenton being the first Brian
to do so at the time, brianTarkenton being the first, brian
Tarkenton being an odd pickbecause I don't know, he didn't
seem like a very personableperson, very generic and boring,
white.
Nathan (22:08):
And apparently, from what I heard, I don't know how
accurate it is, so take it witha grain of salt but apparently
Lorne Michaels, the head guy ofSNL, was friends with OJ,
which's like there's somebodyhigher up than Lorne Michaels
that did that.
I thought it was like I didn'tthink anybody was higher up than
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Lorne Michaels.
I thought he was like.
Shaun (22:31):
Brandon Tartikoff is way higher than Lorne Michaels.
Lorne Michaels just does SNL, Iknow just SNL.
Nathan (22:37):
I'm not speaking for anyone else I?
Mean, I guess, I mean, I guesssomeone from on high can come to
him, but from what myunderstanding is, of course,
it's just like Lorne Michaelsrunning this place like
basically a dictator.
Shaun (22:48):
We'll find out real quick .
Let's see, don Ohlmeyer was theguy who gave the order to have
him fired, nbc West CoastDivision President Don Ohlmeyer,
who happened to be an extremelyclose friend of Simpson.
There you go.
Okay, so it wasn't LorneMichaels.
Nope, it was't Lorne Michaels.
Nathan (23:02):
It was not Lorne Michaels, because I knew it was
someone in charge, but I justused to recognize.
I thought it was Lorne Michaels.
Shaun (23:09):
Just automatically assumed as notorious scumbag
Lorne Michaels.
Nathan (23:11):
How dare you?
I mean it's not like, no, notpoor innocent Lorne Michaels
Right.
Shaun (23:17):
How dare you assume the dude who did all sorts of
scumbag things did another,another scumbag.
I mean that's very subdued.
Nathan (23:23):
How did he forget about all the puppies he saved by
killing them?
He saved that pup Remember hewent around town picking up all
those poor lost puppies andselling them to the wet market.
Wait, the wet market's what now?
Shaun (23:35):
Yeah, oh, that's where they just sell wet puppies.
No, no, that's where they drownthem, it turns out yeah.
Nathan (23:42):
I thought so.
They only sold damn puppiesover there, though.
Shaun (23:47):
Also around this time.
According to ArnoldSchwarzenegger, james Cameron
actually considered OJ Simpsonto play the role of the
Terminator, but decided againstit because of OJ's reputation as
a nice guy or, quote-unquote,one of the good ones.
Right, yeah, that does soundfamiliar.
Nathan (23:59):
It does sound familiar, that does sound familiar.
Shaun (24:00):
It does sound familiar I've heard this before but the
only person that backs this oneup, too, is Arnold
Schwarzenegger.
I've never actually seen JamesCameron say that, so I don't
know Not saying ArnoldSchwarzenegger's a liar, but you
know, I mean, I'm also sayinghe could have misremembered
stuff too, I mean also.
I mean I have nothing againstthe Terminator, but I'm also not
going to take everything heyeah, okay yeah, um, some of
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these celebrities, as they'regetting really old nowadays
they're starting to tell somekind of tall stories.
It makes you go.
Did that happen?
Especially like hulk hogan'skind of going off on some weird
stuff nowadays?
Nathan (24:31):
yeah, oh man speaking of hulk hogan.
There's, um, it's a documentarycoming.
I want to see it's produced by,uh, kevin nash, like what
happened to just who killed thewcw, or something like that.
I mean, it's, the wcw was thelast time I cared.
Yeah, it's, it's been.
Shaun (24:46):
It's been a long time since I gave you eric bischoff
and vince russo that killed it.
Wcw there.
I saved you well, hogan too Iguess.
Nathan (24:54):
Yeah, well, I, I assume that this is like, I guess, from
the wrestler's point of viewI'm guessing the whole thing was
a huge clusterfuck.
Shaun (25:01):
It's basically the uh inmates were running the asylum
at that place.
Nathan (25:04):
Oh, for real.
Okay, yeah, I mean I can seethat.
I mean I really did.
I really did love a WCW forquite a while.
And then, like I said before,when I moved out there, I was
really upset, like I'm not goingto be able to see.
My uncle didn't have cable andI tried to watch it once.
It was all scrambled becauseagain, I didn't get cable.
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So I kind of remember seeingGoldberg for a second and then
or some other bald dude.
Yeah, exactly, and fast forwardabout a month.
I realized I hadn't evenattempted to try to see if I can
watch it and I realized, wait,I don't care anymore.
Shaun (25:48):
I was going to say you thought you were a wrestling
addict, but you were just acasual wrestler user.
It turns out, yep.
No withdrawals or nothingYou're just like well, that's
easy to quit.
Meanwhile, there's plenty ofpeople in wrestling rehab right
now being like you, son of abitch.
Yeah, I sucked a dick forwrestling.
What have you done for it?
Nathan (26:03):
I'm sorry.
Yeah, I know that really sucks,but yeah, I'm good.
1985,.
Shaun (26:09):
OJ and Nicole Brown get married Because Nicole Brown
Simpson as she'd be known fromthen on.
Apparently Because whenever Ithink Nicole Brown, I just
automatically fill in theSimpson at the end.
I don't know, even though she'dprobably prefer if you didn't
do that.
Nathan (26:22):
Yeah, especially nowadays.
Would you please not add thename of the person who killed
her at the end of that?
Right, it reminds me.
It just took me to a brief, uhreddit story that I heard read,
whatever, and the guy wastalking about like how his uh,
he had a bunch of family whodied and he would keep them
going to these graves.
Like they're down a caraccident or something, um, and
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he was going putting flowers inthe grave but he always noticed
there's someone next to him likethey shared a similar next plot
over and there was no one evercame to it there's never flowers
.
So he started buying flowersfor that, um, for that unknown
gravestone, and he did this forlike months and finally he's
like who is this person?
And come to find out it wassomeone who murdered his wife
and kids so some flowers forjohn, the baby raper, and he's
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like damn it.
So he wanted to kind of likeeven the karma scale out, and he
went, started deliveringflowers to the wife he murdered
and the kids, and while he wasthere, though, some other woman
was there.
So oh, why are you putting umflowers on my aunt's grave?
And he's just like was verykind of like, oh, you know, this
happened, and they both foundit kind of funny.
Shaun (27:25):
And then I'm getting married, so yeah, and now every
anniversary they go pee on thatman's grave that murdered her
Right.
Nathan (27:32):
That's how they bond together.
We do this as a family.
Shaun (27:36):
I thought that's what you were going to say.
First, instead of buyingflowers for the other grave, he
just started whizzing on it.
Oh yeah, 1987, oj has a cameoin the movie Back to the Beach,
starring 1960s crooner FrankieAvalon and original mascoteer
Annette Funicello.
Don't recognize those names?
Ask your grandparents, theywill probably know.
Yeah, I do not recognize thenames.
Uh yeah, frankie Avalon I gotto listen to a lot of his music
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because I was forced into like50s and 60s stuff back in the
day.
It's teeny bop crooner musicand Annette Funicello was a
Mascoteer who went on to like dosome.
The only reason they ever hiredthose two in movies was so you
know, your parents could be likehey, I don't know that name,
johnny there's.
Nathan (28:15):
There's a guy, the name I recognize yeah, exactly
they're making their comeback.
Kids these days don't know whatthey're missing with the
original mouse kateers yeah, theonly older stuff I used to be
forced to watch and I emphasizethat forced to watch because I
don't know what I think I didnot willingly was, um, fucking
lawrence wilk.
Yeah, do you ever?
Shaun (28:35):
watch lawrence wilk?
No, because he was on cbs and Ididn't get cbs.
Yeah, yeah, I was forced towatch.
Maybe it's pbs is one of thetwo, but, yeah, I never got to
watch that.
I know of lawrence wilk though,the polka master himself.
Oh my god.
And oh my god and well, it'sthat, and also.
Nathan (28:53):
This sounds really chill , but my uh, my uh, stepfather,
he there used to be this guy onthere who danced you know what.
Never mind, let's just say I'mgonna stop there.
Let's just say, yeah, they'reuh did?
Shaun (29:05):
did he throw peanuts at the tv when this man was dancing
?
Nathan (29:07):
it's like dance, no no, no, let's just say he was the
only black person on the showand my british stepfather was
racist and you probably can hearthis going, and he had a name
for him and it was a, let's say,um, a certain slur on a stick.
I'm like aha, like, come on man, like that's not cool.
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I mean I didn't, I didn't, Ididn't like it, but then again,
you know he was, he was big andscary, so I wouldn't exactly go
to his face Like hey don't saythat.
But yeah, it's just every time Ithink of Lawrence Wilk, I think
of that.
I'm like man that's fucked up.
Shaun (29:41):
Just gotta hate when those memories you don't want
get imprinted with certainthings Right.
Nathan (29:47):
Like why do you about Lauren Wilk?
Shaun (29:49):
Yeah, it's about this black man he had on the show,
but it's not really about thatblack man either as a person.
Nathan (29:56):
I must have to stress, it is not about him.
Shaun (30:01):
Yeah, that's one of those things where, when you're
explaining it, you need tophrase it very carefully.
Yeah, put the modifiers beforewhat you're about to say.
Serious.
Nathan (30:10):
Okay, I need to lead into this.
Shaun (30:12):
It's going to take me a couple minutes to get there,
right, so it's kind of likethere's a story that goes with
this because if I just jumpstraight into the subject or the
ending, alright, 1988, 1991,and 1994 sees OJ starring
alongside Leslie Nielsen in theNaked Gun film trilogy Series
holds a soft spot in my heart.
Also, apparently there's aremake coming out soon starring
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Liam Neeson, and it's going tobe written by the guy who did
the new Chip and Dale movie,produced by Seth MacFarlane.
So that might be kind of cool.
That might be cool.
Nathan (30:40):
Yeah.
Shaun (30:40):
I think it's.
Nathan (30:42):
I mean because when he took over that, leslie Nielsen
took over that role, from myunderstanding, he was still more
.
I'm not saying he didn't do anycomedy, but he was more known
for his dramatic stuff.
Shaun (30:56):
Yes, Airplane was the first comedy I think he ever did
, and before that it was like,yeah, it was all like high drama
.
Yeah, the thing I rememberreminding him for was back in
the 60s he was on Disney's SwampFox as the Swamp Fox, which was
back in like theSpanish-American War or
something like that back in, afamous character from back then
had a catchy theme song Swampfox, swamp fox, tail in his hat.
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Nobody knows where the swampfox at Swamp fox, swamp fox
hiding in the trees, I don'tknow.
Anyways, that's what I got towatch in my childhood.
Yeah, I hear your silence,stunned silence.
I can't.
Nathan (31:28):
I'm trying to remember Swamp.
I don't know what you'retalking about.
Shaun (31:31):
Yeah, I mean it was like a really short series.
It was just kind of one ofthose Disney Sunday matinee kind
of things.
Man, oh, right, right, yeahyeah, it was live action too,
not animated, so we gave lesscraps about it back then.
Live action, yeah yeah, there'sno singing, dancing mouse and
duck on this.
Shenanigans kill them all.
(31:54):
And that's gonna do it for thefirst half.
On our episode about oj simpson, tune in next week for the
second half when we discuss theeight team knockoff starring oj.
We never got oj's arrest andmurder trial, kato kalin's
acting career, oj's death, andwe talk about where we think
oj's trial ranks among thetrials of the century.
All this and more on the nextepisode of offed off topic.
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