May 16, 2024 • 36 mins
In part two of our O.J. episode we get to talking about the famous murder trial, what happened with O.J. after that and talk about his final days alive.
We also discuss where we think the trial belongs in the pantheon of "Trials of the 20th Century"
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Part 2 and our conclusion on OJ Simpson.
In our first episode wediscussed OJ's youth, from a
child with the rickets and legbraces to a violent teenage gang
leader.
From there we talked about hisfootball and acting career, and
in this episode we finally getto the murder, trial and beyond.
Because of his acting andadvertising gigs, oj had more
than $10 million in assets andmore than $1 million a year
(00:21):
coming in from acting and adrevenue Not doing too bad for
himself for a guy who you knowonly made $500,000 back in the
day for playing football for adecade.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
That's pretty good, yeah, especially when you
consider a lot of the otherfootball players from that era
were, you know, broke dead,homeless yeah some of the
football players from like the70s and 80s did not really have
a great time.
The old football players fromthe 70s and 80s did not really
have a great time.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
No, they sounds like.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Yeah, 1994 and Warner Brothers is putting the
finishing touches on a pilot fora series called Frogman.
It was to be an A-team-likeshow that starred OJ as the
leader of the group.
He would play a former NavySEAL named John Bullfrog Burke
who ran his SEAL operations outof a Malibu surf shop Basically
(01:07):
steel operations out of a Malibusurf shop Basically an A-team,
but with a surfing vibe to it.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Sounds awful to be honest, but it does sound awful,
especially since they onlyexclusively, with no option to
change it.
Beach Boys of Ride the Clockthey go from one record to the
next because it's records, andso they actually pay someone
specifically to stand there toguard the record player and
switch the records Like please,for the love of God stop playing
(01:29):
Beach Boys and the guy justsilently, just takes the one
record off, takes the other onedown and starts playing as an FU
thing, he puts on Jan and Dean,which is literally the same
kind of music.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
It's all the same, oh God.
However, this awful soundingshow would not see the light of
day, as the same year the murderof Nicole Brown Simpson would
happen, and releasing a pilot ofa show that had a scene with OJ
holding a knife to a woman'sthroat would be bad optics.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
The studio decided, you think, apparently one of the
schticks of that show was Atthe end of every episode our
hosts would come in and Hold theknife to someone's throat.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Actually, apparently, oj's like big Move in the show
was his Stealthful, silent killsby slitting people's throats.
So, wow, you're not far off onthat, to be perfectly honest.
You are not far off at all.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
They used that episode In his trial.
Look he practiced.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Actually they did bring that up in the trial.
We'll talk about that in just asecond.
But yes, 1994 nicole brown'smurder would turn into what
would be manna from heaven forone jay leno.
Remember that 1995 murder trialin the dancing edos oh man,
fuck jay leno ha, he milked thattrial so hard and it got so
tired out, so fast.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I have feelings about jalen now, I mean because he
some of his um, some of thethings he did was about the
conan stuff the conan stuff wastoo bad like, and even the
monica lewinsky stuff.
It's like you know, even I'vegone to it.
I was, I was there.
You know I wasn't there, butyou know I was alive at the time
you were giving Clinton thethumbs up, being like good job
man.
(03:06):
I look at it now from fresh eyes.
It's some poor 20-somethingyear old intern who got stars in
her eyes, and the president ofthe United States the most
powerful man in the countrybasically used her like a trash
can.
They tossed her aside and shedidn't know the game she was
playing.
Instead of everyone going, lookat this guy who took advantage
(03:27):
of the young girl.
Everyone's like oh you slut, ohyeah love, we love bill clinton
they're like.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
How dare you seduce and manipulate the president of
the united states?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
you intern I will grant you, like bill clinton did
do, like decent, likepolitically, he he didn't.
He was a pure monster.
You know, he absolutely helpeduh, in a lot of ways, but at the
same time he was also a monster.
So let's, let's not pretendlike he didn't have a secret
handshake with epstein, you knowso he played the saxophone on
(03:59):
mtv.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
How could bad person do that?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
nate, that's where he worked on his fingering, but
yes, I got him don't know whoyou got, but you got them right.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Them somewhere.
Them is sitting at homelistening like damn it.
They got me.
We'd also get countless whitebronco jokes because of this,
and we'd also be introduced toprofessional couch surfer Kato
Kaelin Remember when he was athing?
Oh, dude, yes.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
And then, like he was like I'm an actor.
And then after he got, afterthis is all said and done, he's
like, okay, all right, man, yousay you're an actor, get out
there and act, let's see whatyou can do.
Oh.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Oh, have a bit role in the fx show baskets.
That show baskets with um uh,not garofalo, which is zach
galifianakis.
Apparently he was in that.
Also kato kalin, we're going tobe a friend of norm mcdonald
for a little bit too.
Good for kato, good for himwhat he's doing nowadays?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
I don't know I mean he'll never.
He will never hit the heightsof fame as he did when he was
like on in that trial oh well, Idon't know about that.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I mean, one good shooting spree could get him
right back up there.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Fair enough, let's say up until now.
Bird of fame.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Oh yeah, well, again All right man, get on your knees
.
See.
How dare you limit poor KatoKaelin?
There's so many things he coulddo to become big again.
None of them are really good,but when was?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
this.
I'm just looking at IMDB.
He is real busy in the early90s but he's still working Well.
He worked at least 2022.
He has two upcoming, of course.
One is Judge Gray's JudgeGray's team court.
He's a court reporter.
And then another one called Payto Die.
(05:44):
He plays a life coach.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
You told Kato, show us what you got.
And he showed you what you got,and he's got more acting
credits than neither of us.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
So good for you.
Kato Way to tell us off Goodjob making us look dumb, Nate.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Nothing will ever beat his height of fame.
You're right, I'm eating crownow because Clearly this man is
living the top life Because hewas in the last Sharknado Colon.
It's about time.
So forgive me For daring Todisparage Mr Kalen, your
(06:16):
Sharknado.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
He gotta be in a movie with Lindsay Lohan, or
whoever the fuck is in thosemovies.
Who is that?
It's not Lindsay Lohan.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
She's one of those chicks who was big in the 90s
and then yeah right, likelindsey lohan.
Okay, here he is.
Uh, tara reed, tara reed.
And then there's ian in zearing, who was a 90210 fame.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yep, he was the one that went flying through a shark
with a chainsaw in the firstone.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, yeah that's what it was.
And poor tara reed, like shegot all this work done, which
you know does not make herdidn't help, and I remember they
were like she was in some whatis it like, cat walker, you're
going into a premiere and herdress just fell and because
she's so like dead in her boobs,she didn't realize it and oh
the poor lady, they messed themup.
They messed, yeah.
(07:01):
I remember that kind of goingon.
Yeah, that was a bummer.
So, yeah, okay, let's, let's goback to OJ we.
We somehow landed on Tara readsboobs.
Let's get it on track.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Always go.
It always goes back to Tarareads boobs.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Always Everything.
It's like the center everything.
The black hole, the middle ofthe very center of our giant,
the very center of our venndiagram of off topic, is terry's
breasts.
One day, the heat death of theuniverse comes crashing back
down the one thing that will beleft.
Okay, and meanwhile I'm lookingat I have the imdb page for the
(07:38):
last shark.
Now it's about time up, and thebiggest image they have on
there is uh, ian's hearingwhoever's faces he is using.
It looks like a metal pipe tohold off a a robot shark that's
flying through the air.
So my god a robot shark yeahdamn, I need to watch these
movies let's try a little stupid, I know but that's exactly why
(08:00):
I'm gonna watch it, yeah I Ialso respect a movie that knows
it's stupid.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
it's just like we're going all in like cocaine
bearers.
Just like we know what we are,we're going to have fun with it.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yeah, if they're like okay, let me all know what's
going on here, then it's fine.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Trial would also be.
We would introduce the world tothe Kardashian name, bring them
to the forefront of theAmerican lexicon.
Yep in yeah, because thekardashian daddy was one of the
uh lawyers on his team isremember he had the dream team
of lawyers.
It's like the best lawyer teamyou can buy with money yeah, so
well, I mean they won.
I mean it did, because they alsohad the famous wookiee defense
(08:35):
and the delightful rhyme of ifthe glove does not fit, you must
acquit meanwhile it like, I'mlike, it looks like it fits.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I mean, am I crazy?
Speaker 1 (08:43):
it kind of does, because I mean I could take any
glove and sort of like puff myhand out and make it look like
it's hard to get on.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
And, from what they said, he had arthritis and he
didn't take his medicine.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yeah, and he was doing stuff like smacking the
wall and stuff like that in hiscell, I guess, and I'm like dude
, just even with all that itlooked like.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
if you wanted to, you could squeeze that glove on
there, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
It's like let me spread my hand as far apart as I
can when I try to get thisglove on Right.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
So I guess the moral of the story is if you're going
to murder somebody, leave behinda pair of gloves that are one
size too small.
That makes you get all bloodover there Like a teeny tiny,
like a children's gloves.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Ha right, hey, if that don't fit, you must have
quit, as they're just staring atyou.
Like that worked once, I don'tthink we're gonna let it work
again.
Clearly, children did this, soduring this trial we got to hear
the cops say the n-word a wholelot on uh recordings and stuff
like that.
That was fun, and this was alsoa trial that basically got
court tv up and going and reallygave those 24-hour news
networks something to talk about.
Finally, yeah, and they stilllet they, some people still do
(09:42):
that.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Um, there's some, there's some talking heads out
there that like there was somekind of trial, like Casey
Anthony, for instance.
It's just like they would notstop talking, even though
there's nothing to talk about,like nothing has changed.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
They start making up stuff and they're like, well,
what if?
Or?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
we're only asking questions here.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
but what if it was like God, now you're just
theorizing and people take thatas being the truth and yeah, god
, now you're just theorizing andpeople take that as being the
truth.
Yeah, sometimes 24-hour newsnetworks can be more of a bad
thing than a good thing.
I feel like Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
To fill up that time.
Sometimes you've got to make upstuff for you know exactly,
because at some point it's justa bunch of people talking about
their opinions.
We used to have the same facts.
Nothing has changed since twohours ago.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
But, now, they're just kind of like oh, now we've
had two hours to theorize andhere's what we came up with.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, oh my, or not even.
Two hours, five minutes.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah right, or nowadays, too, it's even worse,
because they're like hey, wejust read an unsubstantiated
tweet in the last five minutes.
Now let's talk about that.
Anywho, in the end, OJ wasfound not guilty by an all-black
jury.
This will come in important alittle bit later, right you?
Speaker 2 (10:47):
better preface them like I said that for a reason.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah right, that's pertinent okay, I didn't say
that like, like, that's how thathas to do with the story.
Those, those types always sticktogether.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
What they expect.
That is not a statement ofoff-topic.
Yes, yes, no that is not.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
He was playing a character.
Oh dear God.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Stuffed over fruit.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
So unsatisfied with this result of the trial.
Oj would actually get sued fornot killing Nicole Brown, but
for being liable for thewrongful death of Nicole Brown
and Ron Goldman.
This thing he got ordered, uh,this thing he was found guilty
on.
This actual trial was nottelevised either, so we don't
know a whole lot about it.
And also it does seem kind ofweird that you know it's like
hey, you didn't murder him, butwe're going to fine you for it
anyways.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I mean, it's like okay, look, I get it.
You know, dude, absolutely didit, A hundred percent, there's
no question.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Like he killed the shit out of those people.
Weird that he's not going toprison for doing that.
He was to pay 33 milliondollars to the brown and goldman
families, though, as net worthat time was about 11 million.
So to pay for that, oj had afire sale, selling his
properties, his hymens, heismantrophies, all his other
memorabilia and this and that,apparently, oj didn't pay much
of this back, because in june2022, fred goldman filed court
papers saying that, withcompound interest and all that,
oj now owes them $96 million.
That's a hell of a lot ofinterest.
(12:09):
To go from $33 million to $96million, I think that says 30
years of interest.
But apparently, too, the reasonthat Fred Goldman filed that
paperwork was just to keepeverything going in the court
system, because otherwise stufflapses.
Then you can't open up cases,yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yeah Well, turns out that even after all that, oj
still couldn't keep out oftrouble because in 2001, he was
charged with battery of anothermotorist in Florida.
He got off on that.
Apparently it was like atraffic incident and they
started yelling at each other.
Like OJ knocked the glasses offof somebody.
In theory he could haveactually gone to a prison for a
good long while because he waslike because of the previous
stuff, but he got off.
(12:46):
Got to walk scot-free on thatas well.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Because of his troubles.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Yes, also in 2001, the FBI raided OJ's house on
suspicion of ecstasy traffickingand money laundering.
The FBI did not find anyevidence of those crimes, but
they did find a satellitedescrambler and charged OJ with
stealing satellite signals.
Yes, that would actually leadto 2004, when DirecTV takes OJ
(13:12):
to court over him pirating theirbroadcast.
Yes, ed, I'd be so mad, I'd belike look guys, come on Like you
raided my house.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
That's bad enough, but then you're going to rat me
out to the fucking cable company.
I mean, come on, man, Likenever mind.
I was a football star, youshould have seen my killing
skills.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Ha, Didn't you see me in Naked Gun Right?
Didn't you laugh?
Didn't I make you laugh withthose rolls?
Oh yeah, Also in 2002, OJ gotarrested for water speeding
through a manatee protectionzone and was fined for that.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Oh, what a dick.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah, apparently down in Florida you can't speed on
jet skis through manatee zonesand stuff like that.
He did it Because manateesthey're like innocent.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
You know they're all these yeah they're nature's
buoys.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
They just float there and look cute.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Apparently they have like no natural predators, so a
lot of them won't even attemptto defend themselves.
It's like they'll actually goand give you a hug as your home
pass.
So it's like, yeah, maybe don'tmess with those guys, you know.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
It's kind of like those kawakas and stuff like
that, where it's those animalsthat have never seen humans and
now they just walk up to peopleand then, like a couple years
later, you see notificationslike stop kicking these things
that walk up to you people.
Yeah, or else.
Or else 2006, and Reagan Booksannounces it's releasing OJ's
written book If I Did itConfessions of the Killer to a
(14:30):
huge public outcry.
In fact, people were reallypissed about this to the point
that the publisher decided toscrap the book.
There was online petitions, theGoldman's filed all sorts of
stuff being like you can'trelease this.
How dare you?
This is offensive to everybody,to everybody.
However, even though thepublisher said they weren't
going to release the book,somehow quote-unquote, somehow
400,000 copies of the book werereleased, leaked, online, in
(14:52):
2007.
So if you want a copy of OJ'sbook I did it, if I did it you
can find it online.
If I did it, if I did itquote-unquote, if I did it, yeah
, a lot of people in interviewsare like hey, oj, what about
this line where you say therewas more blood than I've ever
seen in my life?
What about that line he's likewell, I was just saying in
theory, I'm sure there wouldhave been a lot of blood.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I mean yeah.
Why is this one paragraph whereyou're like you rubbed it all
over your body like lotion, likeha?
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Oh pass that.
We go 2007,.
And this comes the famed LasVegas robbery, where OJ and a
group of men arranged topurchase some OJ memorabilia at
a Las Vegas hotel room.
When the meeting happened, ojpulled out a gun and said that
stuff rightfully belongs to meand nobody leaves this room
until I get my stuff back.
And, as you can guess, this isconsidered stuff like kidnapping
and coercion with a weapon andetc.
(15:44):
Etc.
Etc.
This is not something youshould do and this could have
potentially given OJ life inprison for the charges.
But he actually got offquote-unquote easy and only got
33 years for all this.
But he was also out on parolein nine, which was kind of what
everybody expected.
They're like well, you'll getsentenced for this, but you'll
get out for good behavior innine years.
And this crime was kind ofinteresting and kind of dumb
because he did the crime in lasvegas and, as everybody will
(16:07):
tell you, every square inch ofvegas is under camera
surveillance, like there's noplace in vegas you can go in a
casino that doesn't have cameraseverywhere and there are people
that I remember actually drdrew was one of the people that
theorizes that this crime was sobrazenly obvious that, uh,
people are thinking that maybethe oj was having guilt feelings
and wanted to go to jail foryou know the murder and thought
this would make up for it, kindof thing.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
But that's also assuming OJ has good feelings
about it or he like just thoughthe'd get away with it.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
And also the thing too is they're talking about how
OJ was claiming that all thisparaphernalia was his or this
memorabilia was his and thisdude stole it.
But OJ never gave a reason onhow this dude stole it or why
this dude had all thisparaphernalia or memorabilia.
I guess, basically, oj just sawthis dude was selling a bunch
of memorabilia and just decidedit was his and somehow that dude
wasn't supposed to have it.
So he just decided I'm gonna goget it back.
So he got some guys and someguns and they went and got it
back and then promptly got yeah,because no shit it should also
(17:06):
be noted that this OJ beingsentenced to 33 years for the
crime was an all-white jury thistime that convicted him for
that.
Well, there you go.
That's why I brought the oldblack jury getting him off.
The all-white jury convictedhim to 33 years for theft, and
here's the thing about, like Idon't know.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
One thing I was talking about earlier, because
we've been talking about thistrial Did you, when the the
announcement happened, were youpaying attention at all?
I mean, what I'm talking aboutlike in your school, because it
happened while I was in schooloh wait, are you talking about
the murder?
Speaker 1 (17:35):
yes, the trial, okay, I thought you were talking
about, like, the memorabiliafucking.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
No, no, I was like I was going back to the whole
reason why, like you know, theall this happened.
So I was thinking about back,like you know, because we're
talking about the trials, andwhen I remember I remember I was
in school when it happened myteacher actually I was in typing
class and, um, she actuallyturned the radio on so we
listened to the like the verdictwhen it happened.
(18:00):
And so we listened to theverdict and I remember there was
that racial split but at thesame time, like in the 90s you
know, I don't necessarily agreewith who they all decide to
cheer because you know, dude,fucking did it, but like there
were a lot of like just tossingpeople in jail for that.
So I think it was kind ofthey're like, yeah, we get one,
like ah, but could you picksomebody who was, I don't know,
(18:24):
innocent.
So yeah, I get what you'resaying, though I mean like I get
it.
I totally get it.
I understand where you guyscome from.
100% Like yo yo, power of thepeople, all that good stuff, but
come on, like he 100% did it,so I don't know.
Yeah, stinky subjects.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Mainly I remember I don't remember a whole lot
happening in school.
Then one kid after theannouncement came in, he was
really pissed off and like ranaround punching the walls of the
classroom screaming about.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
And stuff like that too.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
This is also one of those students, I think he was
just mad about other stuff andwanted an excuse to run around
screaming yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
But also like again I mean, we say all this stuff, oh
, you know, la, la, la, la, youknow whatever, who fucking cares
man, it didn't affect your lifeat all, it didn't affect my
life.
Well, I left that class going.
Oh, he got off.
I walked out of that class andthen kept on doing my own thing.
That had absolutely nothing todo with OJ Simpson, you know.
(19:18):
It's just.
My life has been affected 0% bythe.
You know like him getting offthe first time, then him going
to jail for like other thingsother times, and even him dying
recently, like does not affectmy life whatsoever Outside of
it's a perfect source for asubject to talk about on Off.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Top Topic.
Yes, there you go.
I was about to say I mean,obviously it affected your life
a little bit, because we aretalking about it right now.
Touche, yes, ha ha.
Also in 2018, haha, also in2018, oj was seen on camera
stating being a felon.
Ain't all bad.
Apparently he liked theattention that he was getting
from all this uh stuff over theyears.
I should have killed that bitchearlier.
How, if I knew the murder inlife would be so great, I would
(19:59):
have done a ton a long time agoI mean based on what I heard
about relationship, it lookslike he tried a few times.
He was a little handsy, 2019,and while on David Spade's
Comedy Central talk show, normMacDonald had his final thoughts
on OJ Simpson.
His final words were MacDonaldsaid he was found not guilty by
(20:21):
a jury of his peers and he notedthat Simpson was the greatest
rusher in the history of the NFL.
And then Norm MacDonald pausedand said Maybe I was the
greatest rusher in the historyof the NFL.
And then, uh, norm Macdonaldpaused and said maybe I was the
greatest rusher to judgment.
Some people are saying thatNorm Macdonald now admits that
he thinks OJ Simpson wasinnocent.
Other people say it was a joke.
(20:41):
I hope it's a joke.
Yeah, yeah, who knows?
Uh, apparently that statement,though enough was enough.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
By Norm Macdonald, that OG and said hey, we should
go golfing buddy, Bury thehatchet and we Ha Just the
stupidity of it all, like thestupidity on OJ or Norm
MacDonald's part.
Oj.
Like oh no, it's all fine now,but, dude, it doesn't work that
way.
What are you?
Speaker 1 (21:01):
talking about.
I mean, it would have been goodfor publicity to see OJ and
Norm MacDonald golfing together.
I think that's more of what OJwas looking for.
I guess Boo OJ, ha Boo OJ andboo Norm MacDonald for even
insinuating the fact he might beinnocent.
Actually, I guess there havebeen some actual documentaries
that apparently actually bringup some pretty good points that
(21:22):
OJ might not have actually doneit.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
I sus.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Ha, it's just like some BBC.
There's actually a pretty goodtheory out there that it was
actually OJ's son that did it.
I guess.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
I mean, you know what ?
I'm not going to sit here andsay, oh, there's 0% chance, but
let's just say it's one of thosescientific things where it's
like, okay, there might be abunch of different things that
could have happened, but a lotof times it's the one that makes
the most sense, you know?
So we aha.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
I have moved the needle on you, nathan.
You went from hey, there's noway he didn't do to like, eh,
maybe there's a slight chance.
Well, I'm just acknowledging.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Soon I will have you saying he was innocent.
I'm just acknowledging becauseI wasn't there watching him
while he did it.
I will at least acknowledge.
Sure, why not?
Let's go ahead and give himlike a couple of percentage
points against the hundredpercent he did it.
Let's go ahead and talk.
Let's toss him a few crumbs onthe side.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
But I still can rest comfortably thinking that
motherfucker stabbed her todeath I like the way you phrase
it, like I didn't see him do it,but obviously other people were
there and saw it like it was abig public display the crowd of
people who watched him do ityeah, they were cheering him on
there's chanting slash, slash,slash.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Oddly enough, slash the guitarist was there to play
well, who knows, maybe in thefuture they have like, um, they
could do past cameras and sothey could watch things that
happened in the past and reallike in not real time, obviously
, but like you can actuallywatch it happen.
So there's, who knows, maybe bya thousand years from future
they were like, oh look at thisguy he murders.
Well, why would they might knowwho oj simpson's a thousand
years in the future, but there,was youtube videos.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Youtube videos actually there was a book about
that too where it's like way inthe future they invent uh
cameras they can send throughwormholes and watch any uh part
of history that they wanted toat any time.
Which raised the moral questionis like if you knew in the
future people could watcheverything you're doing, would
you change the way you're doingthings?
I don't know.
I'd probably put more panacheinto my masturbating, I guess.
But other than that no.
Honestly, for the most partit's like like what was he
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looking at?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
oh my god, yeah, I'd just be doing randomly the
finger guns up at the sky.
Yeah, why is he always?
Why is he always pointing thesky with finger guns?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
go, yeah, we can add up every time you saw uh, so may
2023, and oj puts out a reportthat he has cancer, but he's
going to fight this cancer andwin.
February 11th, oj posts anInstagram video saying he's
dealing with some issues, buthe's still doing fighting the
cancer and he's going to winthat fight against cancer.
April 10th, 2024, and Cancerputs out a press release saying
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the war is over.
Cancer has won.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
The Cancer.
I thought you were going in adifferent direction.
I thought you were sayingCancer put out a the press
release saying I found the realkiller cancer put out of the
press release saying I got thereal killer.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Finally you're, you're welcome.
Public, of course, had mixedfeelings about this.
Lots of most of the tweets arealong the lines of wonderful
athlete crap, human being, right?
Yep, supposedly sources saythat on his deathbed he made
everybody sign uh DAs before hedied.
However, the thing outside ofTMZ claiming that quote unquote
(24:29):
sources claim nobody has saidanything about this outside of
TMZ saying, quote unquotesources claim they didn't even
give a name for it.
So whether or not he actuallymade people sign NDAs is still
kind of up in the air.
And how is that enforceable?
Yeah, and also, too, ndas don'tcover things that are illegal
either, right I?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
mean there's that and yeah, I mean, yeah, this is
dumb, yeah, I mean yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
So I don't know.
People are automatically like,of course you did that he's an
egotist, but I don't know, sametime, like they'll actually hear
more than just sources say washe still an egotist at the end.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I mean, I know like I don't know, you said he was,
didn't you?
Well, no, of course, when hewas younger, 100, like when he
was, like when he's uh, I'mtrying to think of an analogy no
, 2018, he said, being a felonain't all bad um, yeah, but uh
okay, so in the last like sixmonths you're wondering if he's
an egotist.
Well yeah, well, just yeah,exactly, or he's like he's bet a
thousand.
Of course anybody can be noteating tits anymore and still be
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talking about yeah, I'm thegreatest, even though everything
sucks.
Back when he was younger, Iguess all the way up to the
point where he started, it wasmid-stab, he was basically
batting a thousand.
Then, once that happened, dudeswalk around dropping gloves
like he doesn't care anymore andthen driving slowly down the
freeway and just kind ofdeteriorate from there.
I mean he, he.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
I mean he was in and out of jail all the time, as a
kid too, so it's not like he wasbatting a thousand good way
well, I'm told once he got out,because then he has the whole
thing like I started from thebottom and now here I am.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Everyone worships my, worships the, the breath I have
.
Look, I've got Waddy on my side.
What can go?
Speaker 1 (26:02):
wrong Nicole Brown charging him with abusive
relationship stuff.
Apparently he was arrested afew times in the 80s for spousal
abuse and stuff.
Yeah, yeah, because he washorrible.
Let's see.
I'm trying to see if OJ is likerepentant and is talking about
how he's the most humble personin the world.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Although he was pretty good Going back to, he
was really good on a naked gun.
I liked him.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
He was.
He was pretty good.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
It was.
I remember he was like layingin the hospital bed and that's
the lesson he was over.
He was like I love you.
He's like what?
Oh, no, it's like, it's like it.
The boat he got shot on wasnamed I Love you.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
That's when Ray died in the water and they had, like,
the chalk outline on top of thewater just floating there, and
then what else?
Speaker 2 (26:49):
He goes like Harrow and he's like no, not now, I'll
get to him later.
Oh God, I love that.
I love Naked Gun.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yep, in fact, also to close out this episode, we will
leave you with David Zucker'stweet about the death of OJ
Simpson, david Zucker being thedirector of the Naked Gun movies
.
He tweeted Good riddance, ojSimpson.
His acting was a lot like hismurdering.
He got away with it, but no onebelieved him.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
That is actually probably the best thing I've
heard.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
That is.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
That is a good line right there that is a really
good line, especially comingfrom who wrote it and about who?
Yep, that was.
Yeah, his acting was a lot likehis murdering.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
He got away with it, but no one believed him.
Yep, that is absolutely Bravoto you, david Zucker.
That is a perfect tweet, Ithink.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Yes, bravo, that was awesome.
I don't think I can top that.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Nope, I don't think I can top that.
Nope, I don't think anybodycould ever top that one.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Honestly, he probably wrote up that tweet like years
ago he would, he would.
I bet he was.
He wakes up every morning.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
He like checks the internet to see if OJ's day is
like damn.
Can't use that line now.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
He woke up like Christmas morning.
They're like he's dead, like,oh, thank God, god, I can
finally get this thing out.
Yep, he's like goes.
He had the whole time he hadthis wallet.
He pulls it out of his wallet.
He wants to make sure he typesit just right.
It's all crumbled like ancientmanuscript here we go.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
It's like an old dot matrix printer sheet written
this whole thing hold up.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
25 years I've been sitting on this line this is on
my wallet, going from wallet towallet transferring each time we
laugh.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
but if I had a line that was that good, I would sit
on that line for 20 years andwait every day to use it as well
.
Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
I would totally do that too.
There's no way I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yep.
So there you go, OJ Simpson'slife In a nutshell.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
So did you learn anything, nate?
Uh, I mean honestly not really,but there was some things.
But like, by and large, I kindof knew most of what you know,
because you learned that NormMacdonald might be better
forgiving than you.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Very true?
Speaker 2 (28:53):
uh no, just because you know, you and me, just
because of the ages we are, youknow, it's just this.
We lived it.
You know we um back in the 1990, whatever, what was it 1991?
Speaker 1 (29:05):
94, 95 was in the trial.
Was 94 was in.
The murder happened okay, sofive.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
so I was remember five.
I knew one, six because six onegraduated and I remember I was
like in I did go to school in 96but I knew it wasn't that.
So, yeah, so 95, you know thatwe really did.
I mean, we saw it was the firsttime I really like watched a,
as they say, high-speed chase,but like a real police chase.
(29:31):
Well, even that's our realpolice chase.
We saw the show.
There you go, let's put that.
We saw the show.
We saw the show while it washappening, we were paying
attention.
It was the first time Iactually paid attention to like
a criminal trial, and while itwas happening we were paying
attention.
This was the first time Iactually paid attention to a
criminal trial and I don't knowwhy I care.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I care because everyone else did.
I was kind of stuck with itbecause every time I'd come home
from school it was on the TVthe court TV showing of that
trial, and it was just on TVconstantly.
I'd play video games or watchthat.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
It was the first real televised trial, and so now
it's just like you know, youjust go on YouTube or wherever
find trials, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Was it the trial of the century?
Does it beat out the Lindberghbabies or the?
Was it the Manzetti guys?
Yep, I think it does.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Yeah, I do Now.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I'm purely.
I would say the average personcared more about oj's case than
yes.
That's why I think thewatergate.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
I think the watergate was more important, like for
politics and like world newslike your average schlub.
They're just like bah, that's100 like if you're gonna be a
look, if you in the future, whenyou pull out the history books
they talk about you know what,like the trials of the you know
20th century, you know thewatergate will absolutely be a
part of that, no question, and Ithink it would even like on a
(30:49):
one to ten it'd be higher thanthe trial, but oj trial will
absolutely be on there.
And if they're talking about interms of like pop culture, um,
like the zeitgeist of america inthat respect I think oj simpson
is it easily beats, you knowwatergate because it just you
couldn't go anywhere withoutsomeone talking about it.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Rodney king might actually be a competitor of that
one, maybe here's my thingabout.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Here's the thing, the rodney king thing.
While it absolutely important,it was the verdict in the
aftermath of the cops that didit that is true.
The actual trial itself was yeslike the, the riots, the riots
that happened afterward dwarfthe actual, like you know,
original crime and the trial andeven the acquittal.
(31:37):
You know, those are all.
Those are like those are thearchduke Ferdinands of World War
.
I you know, but it was, youknow, oj, you saw it from like,
you knew who he was.
Like no one knew who RodneyKing was before it happened.
So you, you, he was a popularperson who was big in NFL, he
was a movie star, you know, hewas beloved by all these people.
(31:59):
And then his fall and he became, you know, while no one was
there to watch the murder,except for maybe future people
looking back in time throughlittle lenses.
Like the trial was televised,we saw it happen, we watched the
prosecution just whiff it.
I mean, oh my, just like I get.
I understand oj had really goodlawyers, but we all have also
to recognize, like theprosecution totally dropped the
(32:22):
ball.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Oh, they 100 did.
They thought they had like aslam dunk kind of thing and they
totally effed off and thepolice too, the police botched a
lot of stuff on that.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I mean we really didn't go because of the.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
You know we're not um well, yeah, and we're not
lawyers.
Yeah, there are so many thingsout there dealing with that
trial.
I just didn't really want to gothat I think you made the right
call.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
You made the call, yeah, because we would have been
here for a while just to gethonest, god, it's actually
pretty hard to find non-trialstuff on oj nowadays.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah, it really is like his football career before.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
That was kind of I.
I really do applaud the way youapproached this.
It's like I think you yeah, youyou made the right call, you
made the right edits, because wewould have been stuck here for
the entire time.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Yeah and also we're not lawyers.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
So half the said yeah , stuff we said probably would
have been wrong, right, rightbut like I remember hearing this
at one point, so yeah, but I dothink all that I've been
talking a lot just to say I dothink this trial was culturally
more significant than anythingelse that happened in the 20th
century.
I'm not going to start touchinglike 21st or whatever, but for
20th century I think it is.
Impeachment was a pretty bigone too, a bill clinton yeah,
(33:25):
I'll give you that I'll give youthat, because that was also one
of those around the clock.
I'll give you that one I'll giveyou that one, I because I
actually forgot about that, butno, so did I would say that
takes, I would take.
I would definitely say thattakes over.
So, oj, be nice, a number two.
How about that?
Yeah, okay, or?
Speaker 1 (33:40):
we could do a 1a, 1a, 1b even possibly.
Yeah, I mean because the onefor a public and one for a
political trial.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah, because the political well, it was also
public, I mean everyone.
It was.
Because it was sexy, like oh,you know, you have president
getting blowjob, that's just,you know, that has that ticks
all.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
We haven't had a sexually active president since
kennedy, right, right, I meanhonestly, that was part of it, I
think.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yeah.
So yeah, I definitely thinkthat trial because it was again
it was a lot more important andculturally significant.
But OJ trial is definitely.
If not, yeah, let's go that 1A,1b.
Let's say OJ trial is 1B.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
I googled most famous , just see, and it's got the
ones we mentioned, but also atthe bottom the trial trial of
socrates, the martin luthertrial and the uh, oh yeah and
the trial of galileo.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
I'm pretty sure those did not happen in the 20th
century yeah, I'm fairly sure Idon't think martin luther was
alive back and don't youremember when martin luther was
like in the courtroom while ojsimpson it was, yeah, the trial
between martin luther and martinluther king jr to see who got
the rights to the name.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Yo, the trial of the century, maybe co-trial of the
century?
Oj simpson, I guess that's what.
Are you looking up the child?
Speaker 2 (34:55):
oh, I just luther well.
Well, no, it's like trial umtrial of the century and it gave
me 20th century and it had abunch on here, but it's not
listed in any kind of order.
Yeah it just, I think it's my.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Uh, oh, it's, it is order, but it's by year so yeah,
and also I find it funny whenthey call, when they dub
something in like 1920 the trialof the century.
It's like you guys kind ofhopped on that bus early on yeah
, I mean.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
I mean, who forgot sam shepard trials from 1954 to
1966?
Speaker 1 (35:23):
I don't know who that is.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Sam.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Shepard, I think of the singer.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
to be honest, I went to this Ted Bundy trial.
I mean again, that was big too.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
But yeah, that wasn't on TV all the time and stuff
like that.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
It wasn't on TV, it was just one of those things.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
you woke up and you saw in the newspaper like this
trial's still going on.
Eh, chicago 7, that was kind offamous, the Nuremberg Trials.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Eh.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Again, though that wasn't really televised.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah, much more culturally significant.
But it was not like Going backto people were in their homes
watching this trial.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Jay Leno was not doing jokes about the dancing
Eidos at the Nuremberg Trials.
Right the dancing Eidos.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
That was so stupid.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Could you imagine Him doing like the dancing gerbils
or something like that In theNuremberg trials?
People would be, like.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
That's inappropriate.
They are responsible Forkilling millions of people, but
like but look, he's dancing.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
But look, it's a dancing gerbils.
He's putting injections Intothese people.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
We don't know what it is.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
It could be happiness .
It's not, but it could behappiness.
It's not, but it could be.
Yeah, it could be, but morelikely it's probably polio.
All right, so are you good withthis episode, nate?
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Yeah, it's a good place to stop.
Part 2 and our conclusion on OJ Simpson.
In our first episode wediscussed OJ's youth, from a
child with the rickets and legbraces to a violent teenage gang
leader.
From there we talked about hisfootball and acting career, and
in this episode we finally getto the murder, trial and beyond.
Because of his acting andadvertising gigs, oj had more
than $10 million in assets andmore than $1 million a year
(00:21):
coming in from acting and adrevenue Not doing too bad for
himself for a guy who you knowonly made $500,000 back in the
day for playing football for adecade.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
That's pretty good, yeah, especially when you
consider a lot of the otherfootball players from that era
were, you know, broke dead,homeless yeah some of the
football players from like the70s and 80s did not really have
a great time.
The old football players fromthe 70s and 80s did not really
have a great time.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
No, they sounds like.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Yeah, 1994 and Warner Brothers is putting the
finishing touches on a pilot fora series called Frogman.
It was to be an A-team-likeshow that starred OJ as the
leader of the group.
He would play a former NavySEAL named John Bullfrog Burke
who ran his SEAL operations outof a Malibu surf shop Basically
(01:07):
steel operations out of a Malibusurf shop Basically an A-team,
but with a surfing vibe to it.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Sounds awful to be honest, but it does sound awful,
especially since they onlyexclusively, with no option to
change it.
Beach Boys of Ride the Clockthey go from one record to the
next because it's records, andso they actually pay someone
specifically to stand there toguard the record player and
switch the records Like please,for the love of God stop playing
(01:29):
Beach Boys and the guy justsilently, just takes the one
record off, takes the other onedown and starts playing as an FU
thing, he puts on Jan and Dean,which is literally the same
kind of music.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
It's all the same, oh God.
However, this awful soundingshow would not see the light of
day, as the same year the murderof Nicole Brown Simpson would
happen, and releasing a pilot ofa show that had a scene with OJ
holding a knife to a woman'sthroat would be bad optics.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
The studio decided, you think, apparently one of the
schticks of that show was Atthe end of every episode our
hosts would come in and Hold theknife to someone's throat.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Actually, apparently, oj's like big Move in the show
was his Stealthful, silent killsby slitting people's throats.
So, wow, you're not far off onthat, to be perfectly honest.
You are not far off at all.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
They used that episode In his trial.
Look he practiced.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Actually they did bring that up in the trial.
We'll talk about that in just asecond.
But yes, 1994 nicole brown'smurder would turn into what
would be manna from heaven forone jay leno.
Remember that 1995 murder trialin the dancing edos oh man,
fuck jay leno ha, he milked thattrial so hard and it got so
tired out, so fast.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I have feelings about jalen now, I mean because he
some of his um, some of thethings he did was about the
conan stuff the conan stuff wastoo bad like, and even the
monica lewinsky stuff.
It's like you know, even I'vegone to it.
I was, I was there.
You know I wasn't there, butyou know I was alive at the time
you were giving Clinton thethumbs up, being like good job
man.
(03:06):
I look at it now from fresh eyes.
It's some poor 20-somethingyear old intern who got stars in
her eyes, and the president ofthe United States the most
powerful man in the countrybasically used her like a trash
can.
They tossed her aside and shedidn't know the game she was
playing.
Instead of everyone going, lookat this guy who took advantage
(03:27):
of the young girl.
Everyone's like oh you slut, ohyeah love, we love bill clinton
they're like.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
How dare you seduce and manipulate the president of
the united states?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
you intern I will grant you, like bill clinton did
do, like decent, likepolitically, he he didn't.
He was a pure monster.
You know, he absolutely helpeduh, in a lot of ways, but at the
same time he was also a monster.
So let's, let's not pretendlike he didn't have a secret
handshake with epstein, you knowso he played the saxophone on
(03:59):
mtv.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
How could bad person do that?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
nate, that's where he worked on his fingering, but
yes, I got him don't know whoyou got, but you got them right.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Them somewhere.
Them is sitting at homelistening like damn it.
They got me.
We'd also get countless whitebronco jokes because of this,
and we'd also be introduced toprofessional couch surfer Kato
Kaelin Remember when he was athing?
Oh, dude, yes.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
And then, like he was like I'm an actor.
And then after he got, afterthis is all said and done, he's
like, okay, all right, man, yousay you're an actor, get out
there and act, let's see whatyou can do.
Oh.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Oh, have a bit role in the fx show baskets.
That show baskets with um uh,not garofalo, which is zach
galifianakis.
Apparently he was in that.
Also kato kalin, we're going tobe a friend of norm mcdonald
for a little bit too.
Good for kato, good for himwhat he's doing nowadays?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
I don't know I mean he'll never.
He will never hit the heightsof fame as he did when he was
like on in that trial oh well, Idon't know about that.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I mean, one good shooting spree could get him
right back up there.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Fair enough, let's say up until now.
Bird of fame.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Oh yeah, well, again All right man, get on your knees
.
See.
How dare you limit poor KatoKaelin?
There's so many things he coulddo to become big again.
None of them are really good,but when was?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
this.
I'm just looking at IMDB.
He is real busy in the early90s but he's still working Well.
He worked at least 2022.
He has two upcoming, of course.
One is Judge Gray's JudgeGray's team court.
He's a court reporter.
And then another one called Payto Die.
(05:44):
He plays a life coach.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
You told Kato, show us what you got.
And he showed you what you got,and he's got more acting
credits than neither of us.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
So good for you.
Kato Way to tell us off Goodjob making us look dumb, Nate.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Nothing will ever beat his height of fame.
You're right, I'm eating crownow because Clearly this man is
living the top life Because hewas in the last Sharknado Colon.
It's about time.
So forgive me For daring Todisparage Mr Kalen, your
(06:16):
Sharknado.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
He gotta be in a movie with Lindsay Lohan, or
whoever the fuck is in thosemovies.
Who is that?
It's not Lindsay Lohan.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
She's one of those chicks who was big in the 90s
and then yeah right, likelindsey lohan.
Okay, here he is.
Uh, tara reed, tara reed.
And then there's ian in zearing, who was a 90210 fame.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yep, he was the one that went flying through a shark
with a chainsaw in the firstone.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, yeah that's what it was.
And poor tara reed, like shegot all this work done, which
you know does not make herdidn't help, and I remember they
were like she was in some whatis it like, cat walker, you're
going into a premiere and herdress just fell and because
she's so like dead in her boobs,she didn't realize it and oh
the poor lady, they messed themup.
They messed, yeah.
(07:01):
I remember that kind of goingon.
Yeah, that was a bummer.
So, yeah, okay, let's, let's goback to OJ we.
We somehow landed on Tara readsboobs.
Let's get it on track.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Always go.
It always goes back to Tarareads boobs.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Always Everything.
It's like the center everything.
The black hole, the middle ofthe very center of our giant,
the very center of our venndiagram of off topic, is terry's
breasts.
One day, the heat death of theuniverse comes crashing back
down the one thing that will beleft.
Okay, and meanwhile I'm lookingat I have the imdb page for the
(07:38):
last shark.
Now it's about time up, and thebiggest image they have on
there is uh, ian's hearingwhoever's faces he is using.
It looks like a metal pipe tohold off a a robot shark that's
flying through the air.
So my god a robot shark yeahdamn, I need to watch these
movies let's try a little stupid, I know but that's exactly why
(08:00):
I'm gonna watch it, yeah I Ialso respect a movie that knows
it's stupid.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
it's just like we're going all in like cocaine
bearers.
Just like we know what we are,we're going to have fun with it.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yeah, if they're like okay, let me all know what's
going on here, then it's fine.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Trial would also be.
We would introduce the world tothe Kardashian name, bring them
to the forefront of theAmerican lexicon.
Yep in yeah, because thekardashian daddy was one of the
uh lawyers on his team isremember he had the dream team
of lawyers.
It's like the best lawyer teamyou can buy with money yeah, so
well, I mean they won.
I mean it did, because they alsohad the famous wookiee defense
(08:35):
and the delightful rhyme of ifthe glove does not fit, you must
acquit meanwhile it like, I'mlike, it looks like it fits.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I mean, am I crazy?
Speaker 1 (08:43):
it kind of does, because I mean I could take any
glove and sort of like puff myhand out and make it look like
it's hard to get on.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
And, from what they said, he had arthritis and he
didn't take his medicine.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yeah, and he was doing stuff like smacking the
wall and stuff like that in hiscell, I guess, and I'm like dude
, just even with all that itlooked like.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
if you wanted to, you could squeeze that glove on
there, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
It's like let me spread my hand as far apart as I
can when I try to get thisglove on Right.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
So I guess the moral of the story is if you're going
to murder somebody, leave behinda pair of gloves that are one
size too small.
That makes you get all bloodover there Like a teeny tiny,
like a children's gloves.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Ha right, hey, if that don't fit, you must have
quit, as they're just staring atyou.
Like that worked once, I don'tthink we're gonna let it work
again.
Clearly, children did this, soduring this trial we got to hear
the cops say the n-word a wholelot on uh recordings and stuff
like that.
That was fun, and this was alsoa trial that basically got
court tv up and going and reallygave those 24-hour news
networks something to talk about.
Finally, yeah, and they stilllet they, some people still do
(09:42):
that.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Um, there's some, there's some talking heads out
there that like there was somekind of trial, like Casey
Anthony, for instance.
It's just like they would notstop talking, even though
there's nothing to talk about,like nothing has changed.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
They start making up stuff and they're like, well,
what if?
Or?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
we're only asking questions here.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
but what if it was like God, now you're just
theorizing and people take thatas being the truth and yeah, god
, now you're just theorizing andpeople take that as being the
truth.
Yeah, sometimes 24-hour newsnetworks can be more of a bad
thing than a good thing.
I feel like Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
To fill up that time.
Sometimes you've got to make upstuff for you know exactly,
because at some point it's justa bunch of people talking about
their opinions.
We used to have the same facts.
Nothing has changed since twohours ago.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
But, now, they're just kind of like oh, now we've
had two hours to theorize andhere's what we came up with.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, oh my, or not even.
Two hours, five minutes.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah right, or nowadays, too, it's even worse,
because they're like hey, wejust read an unsubstantiated
tweet in the last five minutes.
Now let's talk about that.
Anywho, in the end, OJ wasfound not guilty by an all-black
jury.
This will come in important alittle bit later, right you?
Speaker 2 (10:47):
better preface them like I said that for a reason.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah right, that's pertinent okay, I didn't say
that like, like, that's how thathas to do with the story.
Those, those types always sticktogether.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
What they expect.
That is not a statement ofoff-topic.
Yes, yes, no that is not.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
He was playing a character.
Oh dear God.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Stuffed over fruit.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
So unsatisfied with this result of the trial.
Oj would actually get sued fornot killing Nicole Brown, but
for being liable for thewrongful death of Nicole Brown
and Ron Goldman.
This thing he got ordered, uh,this thing he was found guilty
on.
This actual trial was nottelevised either, so we don't
know a whole lot about it.
And also it does seem kind ofweird that you know it's like
hey, you didn't murder him, butwe're going to fine you for it
anyways.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I mean, it's like okay, look, I get it.
You know, dude, absolutely didit, A hundred percent, there's
no question.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Like he killed the shit out of those people.
Weird that he's not going toprison for doing that.
He was to pay 33 milliondollars to the brown and goldman
families, though, as net worthat time was about 11 million.
So to pay for that, oj had afire sale, selling his
properties, his hymens, heismantrophies, all his other
memorabilia and this and that,apparently, oj didn't pay much
of this back, because in june2022, fred goldman filed court
papers saying that, withcompound interest and all that,
oj now owes them $96 million.
That's a hell of a lot ofinterest.
(12:09):
To go from $33 million to $96million, I think that says 30
years of interest.
But apparently, too, the reasonthat Fred Goldman filed that
paperwork was just to keepeverything going in the court
system, because otherwise stufflapses.
Then you can't open up cases,yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yeah Well, turns out that even after all that, oj
still couldn't keep out oftrouble because in 2001, he was
charged with battery of anothermotorist in Florida.
He got off on that.
Apparently it was like atraffic incident and they
started yelling at each other.
Like OJ knocked the glasses offof somebody.
In theory he could haveactually gone to a prison for a
good long while because he waslike because of the previous
stuff, but he got off.
(12:46):
Got to walk scot-free on thatas well.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Because of his troubles.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Yes, also in 2001, the FBI raided OJ's house on
suspicion of ecstasy traffickingand money laundering.
The FBI did not find anyevidence of those crimes, but
they did find a satellitedescrambler and charged OJ with
stealing satellite signals.
Yes, that would actually leadto 2004, when DirecTV takes OJ
(13:12):
to court over him pirating theirbroadcast.
Yes, ed, I'd be so mad, I'd belike look guys, come on Like you
raided my house.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
That's bad enough, but then you're going to rat me
out to the fucking cable company.
I mean, come on, man, Likenever mind.
I was a football star, youshould have seen my killing
skills.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Ha, Didn't you see me in Naked Gun Right?
Didn't you laugh?
Didn't I make you laugh withthose rolls?
Oh yeah, Also in 2002, OJ gotarrested for water speeding
through a manatee protectionzone and was fined for that.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Oh, what a dick.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah, apparently down in Florida you can't speed on
jet skis through manatee zonesand stuff like that.
He did it Because manateesthey're like innocent.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
You know they're all these yeah they're nature's
buoys.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
They just float there and look cute.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Apparently they have like no natural predators, so a
lot of them won't even attemptto defend themselves.
It's like they'll actually goand give you a hug as your home
pass.
So it's like, yeah, maybe don'tmess with those guys, you know.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
It's kind of like those kawakas and stuff like
that, where it's those animalsthat have never seen humans and
now they just walk up to peopleand then, like a couple years
later, you see notificationslike stop kicking these things
that walk up to you people.
Yeah, or else.
Or else 2006, and Reagan Booksannounces it's releasing OJ's
written book If I Did itConfessions of the Killer to a
(14:30):
huge public outcry.
In fact, people were reallypissed about this to the point
that the publisher decided toscrap the book.
There was online petitions, theGoldman's filed all sorts of
stuff being like you can'trelease this.
How dare you?
This is offensive to everybody,to everybody.
However, even though thepublisher said they weren't
going to release the book,somehow quote-unquote, somehow
400,000 copies of the book werereleased, leaked, online, in
(14:52):
2007.
So if you want a copy of OJ'sbook I did it, if I did it you
can find it online.
If I did it, if I did itquote-unquote, if I did it, yeah
, a lot of people in interviewsare like hey, oj, what about
this line where you say therewas more blood than I've ever
seen in my life?
What about that line he's likewell, I was just saying in
theory, I'm sure there wouldhave been a lot of blood.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I mean yeah.
Why is this one paragraph whereyou're like you rubbed it all
over your body like lotion, likeha?
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Oh pass that.
We go 2007,.
And this comes the famed LasVegas robbery, where OJ and a
group of men arranged topurchase some OJ memorabilia at
a Las Vegas hotel room.
When the meeting happened, ojpulled out a gun and said that
stuff rightfully belongs to meand nobody leaves this room
until I get my stuff back.
And, as you can guess, this isconsidered stuff like kidnapping
and coercion with a weapon andetc.
(15:44):
Etc.
Etc.
This is not something youshould do and this could have
potentially given OJ life inprison for the charges.
But he actually got offquote-unquote easy and only got
33 years for all this.
But he was also out on parolein nine, which was kind of what
everybody expected.
They're like well, you'll getsentenced for this, but you'll
get out for good behavior innine years.
And this crime was kind ofinteresting and kind of dumb
because he did the crime in lasvegas and, as everybody will
(16:07):
tell you, every square inch ofvegas is under camera
surveillance, like there's noplace in vegas you can go in a
casino that doesn't have cameraseverywhere and there are people
that I remember actually drdrew was one of the people that
theorizes that this crime was sobrazenly obvious that, uh,
people are thinking that maybethe oj was having guilt feelings
and wanted to go to jail foryou know the murder and thought
this would make up for it, kindof thing.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
But that's also assuming OJ has good feelings
about it or he like just thoughthe'd get away with it.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
And also the thing too is they're talking about how
OJ was claiming that all thisparaphernalia was his or this
memorabilia was his and thisdude stole it.
But OJ never gave a reason onhow this dude stole it or why
this dude had all thisparaphernalia or memorabilia.
I guess, basically, oj just sawthis dude was selling a bunch
of memorabilia and just decidedit was his and somehow that dude
wasn't supposed to have it.
So he just decided I'm gonna goget it back.
So he got some guys and someguns and they went and got it
back and then promptly got yeah,because no shit it should also
(17:06):
be noted that this OJ beingsentenced to 33 years for the
crime was an all-white jury thistime that convicted him for
that.
Well, there you go.
That's why I brought the oldblack jury getting him off.
The all-white jury convictedhim to 33 years for theft, and
here's the thing about, like Idon't know.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
One thing I was talking about earlier, because
we've been talking about thistrial Did you, when the the
announcement happened, were youpaying attention at all?
I mean, what I'm talking aboutlike in your school, because it
happened while I was in schooloh wait, are you talking about
the murder?
Speaker 1 (17:35):
yes, the trial, okay, I thought you were talking
about, like, the memorabiliafucking.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
No, no, I was like I was going back to the whole
reason why, like you know, theall this happened.
So I was thinking about back,like you know, because we're
talking about the trials, andwhen I remember I remember I was
in school when it happened myteacher actually I was in typing
class and, um, she actuallyturned the radio on so we
listened to the like the verdictwhen it happened.
(18:00):
And so we listened to theverdict and I remember there was
that racial split but at thesame time, like in the 90s you
know, I don't necessarily agreewith who they all decide to
cheer because you know, dude,fucking did it, but like there
were a lot of like just tossingpeople in jail for that.
So I think it was kind ofthey're like, yeah, we get one,
like ah, but could you picksomebody who was, I don't know,
(18:24):
innocent.
So yeah, I get what you'resaying, though I mean like I get
it.
I totally get it.
I understand where you guyscome from.
100% Like yo yo, power of thepeople, all that good stuff, but
come on, like he 100% did it,so I don't know.
Yeah, stinky subjects.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Mainly I remember I don't remember a whole lot
happening in school.
Then one kid after theannouncement came in, he was
really pissed off and like ranaround punching the walls of the
classroom screaming about.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
And stuff like that too.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
This is also one of those students, I think he was
just mad about other stuff andwanted an excuse to run around
screaming yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
But also like again I mean, we say all this stuff, oh
, you know, la, la, la, la, youknow whatever, who fucking cares
man, it didn't affect your lifeat all, it didn't affect my
life.
Well, I left that class going.
Oh, he got off.
I walked out of that class andthen kept on doing my own thing.
That had absolutely nothing todo with OJ Simpson, you know.
(19:18):
It's just.
My life has been affected 0% bythe.
You know like him getting offthe first time, then him going
to jail for like other thingsother times, and even him dying
recently, like does not affectmy life whatsoever Outside of
it's a perfect source for asubject to talk about on Off.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Top Topic.
Yes, there you go.
I was about to say I mean,obviously it affected your life
a little bit, because we aretalking about it right now.
Touche, yes, ha ha.
Also in 2018, haha, also in2018, oj was seen on camera
stating being a felon.
Ain't all bad.
Apparently he liked theattention that he was getting
from all this uh stuff over theyears.
I should have killed that bitchearlier.
How, if I knew the murder inlife would be so great, I would
(19:59):
have done a ton a long time agoI mean based on what I heard
about relationship, it lookslike he tried a few times.
He was a little handsy, 2019,and while on David Spade's
Comedy Central talk show, normMacDonald had his final thoughts
on OJ Simpson.
His final words were MacDonaldsaid he was found not guilty by
(20:21):
a jury of his peers and he notedthat Simpson was the greatest
rusher in the history of the NFL.
And then Norm MacDonald pausedand said Maybe I was the
greatest rusher in the historyof the NFL.
And then, uh, norm Macdonaldpaused and said maybe I was the
greatest rusher to judgment.
Some people are saying thatNorm Macdonald now admits that
he thinks OJ Simpson wasinnocent.
Other people say it was a joke.
(20:41):
I hope it's a joke.
Yeah, yeah, who knows?
Uh, apparently that statement,though enough was enough.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
By Norm Macdonald, that OG and said hey, we should
go golfing buddy, Bury thehatchet and we Ha Just the
stupidity of it all, like thestupidity on OJ or Norm
MacDonald's part.
Oj.
Like oh no, it's all fine now,but, dude, it doesn't work that
way.
What are you?
Speaker 1 (21:01):
talking about.
I mean, it would have been goodfor publicity to see OJ and
Norm MacDonald golfing together.
I think that's more of what OJwas looking for.
I guess Boo OJ, ha Boo OJ andboo Norm MacDonald for even
insinuating the fact he might beinnocent.
Actually, I guess there havebeen some actual documentaries
that apparently actually bringup some pretty good points that
(21:22):
OJ might not have actually doneit.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
I sus.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Ha, it's just like some BBC.
There's actually a pretty goodtheory out there that it was
actually OJ's son that did it.
I guess.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
I mean, you know what ?
I'm not going to sit here andsay, oh, there's 0% chance, but
let's just say it's one of thosescientific things where it's
like, okay, there might be abunch of different things that
could have happened, but a lotof times it's the one that makes
the most sense, you know?
So we aha.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
I have moved the needle on you, nathan.
You went from hey, there's noway he didn't do to like, eh,
maybe there's a slight chance.
Well, I'm just acknowledging.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Soon I will have you saying he was innocent.
I'm just acknowledging becauseI wasn't there watching him
while he did it.
I will at least acknowledge.
Sure, why not?
Let's go ahead and give himlike a couple of percentage
points against the hundredpercent he did it.
Let's go ahead and talk.
Let's toss him a few crumbs onthe side.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
But I still can rest comfortably thinking that
motherfucker stabbed her todeath I like the way you phrase
it, like I didn't see him do it,but obviously other people were
there and saw it like it was abig public display the crowd of
people who watched him do ityeah, they were cheering him on
there's chanting slash, slash,slash.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Oddly enough, slash the guitarist was there to play
well, who knows, maybe in thefuture they have like, um, they
could do past cameras and sothey could watch things that
happened in the past and reallike in not real time, obviously
, but like you can actuallywatch it happen.
So there's, who knows, maybe bya thousand years from future
they were like, oh look at thisguy he murders.
Well, why would they might knowwho oj simpson's a thousand
years in the future, but there,was youtube videos.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Youtube videos actually there was a book about
that too where it's like way inthe future they invent uh
cameras they can send throughwormholes and watch any uh part
of history that they wanted toat any time.
Which raised the moral questionis like if you knew in the
future people could watcheverything you're doing, would
you change the way you're doingthings?
I don't know.
I'd probably put more panacheinto my masturbating, I guess.
But other than that no.
Honestly, for the most partit's like like what was he
(23:27):
looking at?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
oh my god, yeah, I'd just be doing randomly the
finger guns up at the sky.
Yeah, why is he always?
Why is he always pointing thesky with finger guns?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
go, yeah, we can add up every time you saw uh, so may
2023, and oj puts out a reportthat he has cancer, but he's
going to fight this cancer andwin.
February 11th, oj posts anInstagram video saying he's
dealing with some issues, buthe's still doing fighting the
cancer and he's going to winthat fight against cancer.
April 10th, 2024, and Cancerputs out a press release saying
(23:54):
the war is over.
Cancer has won.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
The Cancer.
I thought you were going in adifferent direction.
I thought you were sayingCancer put out a the press
release saying I found the realkiller cancer put out of the
press release saying I got thereal killer.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Finally you're, you're welcome.
Public, of course, had mixedfeelings about this.
Lots of most of the tweets arealong the lines of wonderful
athlete crap, human being, right?
Yep, supposedly sources saythat on his deathbed he made
everybody sign uh DAs before hedied.
However, the thing outside ofTMZ claiming that quote unquote
(24:29):
sources claim nobody has saidanything about this outside of
TMZ saying, quote unquotesources claim they didn't even
give a name for it.
So whether or not he actuallymade people sign NDAs is still
kind of up in the air.
And how is that enforceable?
Yeah, and also, too, ndas don'tcover things that are illegal
either, right I?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
mean there's that and yeah, I mean, yeah, this is
dumb, yeah, I mean yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
So I don't know.
People are automatically like,of course you did that he's an
egotist, but I don't know, sametime, like they'll actually hear
more than just sources say washe still an egotist at the end.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I mean, I know like I don't know, you said he was,
didn't you?
Well, no, of course, when hewas younger, 100, like when he
was, like when he's uh, I'mtrying to think of an analogy no
, 2018, he said, being a felonain't all bad um, yeah, but uh
okay, so in the last like sixmonths you're wondering if he's
an egotist.
Well yeah, well, just yeah,exactly, or he's like he's bet a
thousand.
Of course anybody can be noteating tits anymore and still be
(25:25):
talking about yeah, I'm thegreatest, even though everything
sucks.
Back when he was younger, Iguess all the way up to the
point where he started, it wasmid-stab, he was basically
batting a thousand.
Then, once that happened, dudeswalk around dropping gloves
like he doesn't care anymore andthen driving slowly down the
freeway and just kind ofdeteriorate from there.
I mean he, he.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
I mean he was in and out of jail all the time, as a
kid too, so it's not like he wasbatting a thousand good way
well, I'm told once he got out,because then he has the whole
thing like I started from thebottom and now here I am.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Everyone worships my, worships the, the breath I have
.
Look, I've got Waddy on my side.
What can go?
Speaker 1 (26:02):
wrong Nicole Brown charging him with abusive
relationship stuff.
Apparently he was arrested afew times in the 80s for spousal
abuse and stuff.
Yeah, yeah, because he washorrible.
Let's see.
I'm trying to see if OJ is likerepentant and is talking about
how he's the most humble personin the world.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Although he was pretty good Going back to, he
was really good on a naked gun.
I liked him.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
He was.
He was pretty good.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
It was.
I remember he was like layingin the hospital bed and that's
the lesson he was over.
He was like I love you.
He's like what?
Oh, no, it's like, it's like it.
The boat he got shot on wasnamed I Love you.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
That's when Ray died in the water and they had, like,
the chalk outline on top of thewater just floating there, and
then what else?
Speaker 2 (26:49):
He goes like Harrow and he's like no, not now, I'll
get to him later.
Oh God, I love that.
I love Naked Gun.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yep, in fact, also to close out this episode, we will
leave you with David Zucker'stweet about the death of OJ
Simpson, david Zucker being thedirector of the Naked Gun movies
.
He tweeted Good riddance, ojSimpson.
His acting was a lot like hismurdering.
He got away with it, but no onebelieved him.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
That is actually probably the best thing I've
heard.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
That is.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
That is a good line right there that is a really
good line, especially comingfrom who wrote it and about who?
Yep, that was.
Yeah, his acting was a lot likehis murdering.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
He got away with it, but no one believed him.
Yep, that is absolutely Bravoto you, david Zucker.
That is a perfect tweet, Ithink.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Yes, bravo, that was awesome.
I don't think I can top that.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Nope, I don't think I can top that.
Nope, I don't think anybodycould ever top that one.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Honestly, he probably wrote up that tweet like years
ago he would, he would.
I bet he was.
He wakes up every morning.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
He like checks the internet to see if OJ's day is
like damn.
Can't use that line now.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
He woke up like Christmas morning.
They're like he's dead, like,oh, thank God, god, I can
finally get this thing out.
Yep, he's like goes.
He had the whole time he hadthis wallet.
He pulls it out of his wallet.
He wants to make sure he typesit just right.
It's all crumbled like ancientmanuscript here we go.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
It's like an old dot matrix printer sheet written
this whole thing hold up.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
25 years I've been sitting on this line this is on
my wallet, going from wallet towallet transferring each time we
laugh.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
but if I had a line that was that good, I would sit
on that line for 20 years andwait every day to use it as well
.
Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
I would totally do that too.
There's no way I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yep.
So there you go, OJ Simpson'slife In a nutshell.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
So did you learn anything, nate?
Uh, I mean honestly not really,but there was some things.
But like, by and large, I kindof knew most of what you know,
because you learned that NormMacdonald might be better
forgiving than you.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Very true?
Speaker 2 (28:53):
uh no, just because you know, you and me, just
because of the ages we are, youknow, it's just this.
We lived it.
You know we um back in the 1990, whatever, what was it 1991?
Speaker 1 (29:05):
94, 95 was in the trial.
Was 94 was in.
The murder happened okay, sofive.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
so I was remember five.
I knew one, six because six onegraduated and I remember I was
like in I did go to school in 96but I knew it wasn't that.
So, yeah, so 95, you know thatwe really did.
I mean, we saw it was the firsttime I really like watched a,
as they say, high-speed chase,but like a real police chase.
(29:31):
Well, even that's our realpolice chase.
We saw the show.
There you go, let's put that.
We saw the show.
We saw the show while it washappening, we were paying
attention.
It was the first time Iactually paid attention to like
a criminal trial, and while itwas happening we were paying
attention.
This was the first time Iactually paid attention to a
criminal trial and I don't knowwhy I care.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I care because everyone else did.
I was kind of stuck with itbecause every time I'd come home
from school it was on the TVthe court TV showing of that
trial, and it was just on TVconstantly.
I'd play video games or watchthat.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
It was the first real televised trial, and so now
it's just like you know, youjust go on YouTube or wherever
find trials, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Was it the trial of the century?
Does it beat out the Lindberghbabies or the?
Was it the Manzetti guys?
Yep, I think it does.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Yeah, I do Now.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I'm purely.
I would say the average personcared more about oj's case than
yes.
That's why I think thewatergate.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
I think the watergate was more important, like for
politics and like world newslike your average schlub.
They're just like bah, that's100 like if you're gonna be a
look, if you in the future, whenyou pull out the history books
they talk about you know what,like the trials of the you know
20th century, you know thewatergate will absolutely be a
part of that, no question, and Ithink it would even like on a
(30:49):
one to ten it'd be higher thanthe trial, but oj trial will
absolutely be on there.
And if they're talking about interms of like pop culture, um,
like the zeitgeist of america inthat respect I think oj simpson
is it easily beats, you knowwatergate because it just you
couldn't go anywhere withoutsomeone talking about it.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Rodney king might actually be a competitor of that
one, maybe here's my thingabout.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Here's the thing, the rodney king thing.
While it absolutely important,it was the verdict in the
aftermath of the cops that didit that is true.
The actual trial itself was yeslike the, the riots, the riots
that happened afterward dwarfthe actual, like you know,
original crime and the trial andeven the acquittal.
(31:37):
You know, those are all.
Those are like those are thearchduke Ferdinands of World War
.
I you know, but it was, youknow, oj, you saw it from like,
you knew who he was.
Like no one knew who RodneyKing was before it happened.
So you, you, he was a popularperson who was big in NFL, he
was a movie star, you know, hewas beloved by all these people.
(31:59):
And then his fall and he became, you know, while no one was
there to watch the murder,except for maybe future people
looking back in time throughlittle lenses.
Like the trial was televised,we saw it happen, we watched the
prosecution just whiff it.
I mean, oh my, just like I get.
I understand oj had really goodlawyers, but we all have also
to recognize, like theprosecution totally dropped the
(32:22):
ball.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Oh, they 100 did.
They thought they had like aslam dunk kind of thing and they
totally effed off and thepolice too, the police botched a
lot of stuff on that.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I mean we really didn't go because of the.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
You know we're not um well, yeah, and we're not
lawyers.
Yeah, there are so many thingsout there dealing with that
trial.
I just didn't really want to gothat I think you made the right
call.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
You made the call, yeah, because we would have been
here for a while just to gethonest, god, it's actually
pretty hard to find non-trialstuff on oj nowadays.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah, it really is like his football career before.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
That was kind of I.
I really do applaud the way youapproached this.
It's like I think you yeah, youyou made the right call, you
made the right edits, because wewould have been stuck here for
the entire time.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Yeah and also we're not lawyers.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
So half the said yeah , stuff we said probably would
have been wrong, right, rightbut like I remember hearing this
at one point, so yeah, but I dothink all that I've been
talking a lot just to say I dothink this trial was culturally
more significant than anythingelse that happened in the 20th
century.
I'm not going to start touchinglike 21st or whatever, but for
20th century I think it is.
Impeachment was a pretty bigone too, a bill clinton yeah,
(33:25):
I'll give you that I'll give youthat, because that was also one
of those around the clock.
I'll give you that one I'll giveyou that one, I because I
actually forgot about that, butno, so did I would say that
takes, I would take.
I would definitely say thattakes over.
So, oj, be nice, a number two.
How about that?
Yeah, okay, or?
Speaker 1 (33:40):
we could do a 1a, 1a, 1b even possibly.
Yeah, I mean because the onefor a public and one for a
political trial.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah, because the political well, it was also
public, I mean everyone.
It was.
Because it was sexy, like oh,you know, you have president
getting blowjob, that's just,you know, that has that ticks
all.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
We haven't had a sexually active president since
kennedy, right, right, I meanhonestly, that was part of it, I
think.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yeah.
So yeah, I definitely thinkthat trial because it was again
it was a lot more important andculturally significant.
But OJ trial is definitely.
If not, yeah, let's go that 1A,1b.
Let's say OJ trial is 1B.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
I googled most famous , just see, and it's got the
ones we mentioned, but also atthe bottom the trial trial of
socrates, the martin luthertrial and the uh, oh yeah and
the trial of galileo.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
I'm pretty sure those did not happen in the 20th
century yeah, I'm fairly sure Idon't think martin luther was
alive back and don't youremember when martin luther was
like in the courtroom while ojsimpson it was, yeah, the trial
between martin luther and martinluther king jr to see who got
the rights to the name.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Yo, the trial of the century, maybe co-trial of the
century?
Oj simpson, I guess that's what.
Are you looking up the child?
Speaker 2 (34:55):
oh, I just luther well.
Well, no, it's like trial umtrial of the century and it gave
me 20th century and it had abunch on here, but it's not
listed in any kind of order.
Yeah it just, I think it's my.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Uh, oh, it's, it is order, but it's by year so yeah,
and also I find it funny whenthey call, when they dub
something in like 1920 the trialof the century.
It's like you guys kind ofhopped on that bus early on yeah
, I mean.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
I mean, who forgot sam shepard trials from 1954 to
1966?
Speaker 1 (35:23):
I don't know who that is.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Sam.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Shepard, I think of the singer.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
to be honest, I went to this Ted Bundy trial.
I mean again, that was big too.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
But yeah, that wasn't on TV all the time and stuff
like that.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
It wasn't on TV, it was just one of those things.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
you woke up and you saw in the newspaper like this
trial's still going on.
Eh, chicago 7, that was kind offamous, the Nuremberg Trials.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Eh.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Again, though that wasn't really televised.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah, much more culturally significant.
But it was not like Going backto people were in their homes
watching this trial.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Jay Leno was not doing jokes about the dancing
Eidos at the Nuremberg Trials.
Right the dancing Eidos.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
That was so stupid.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Could you imagine Him doing like the dancing gerbils
or something like that In theNuremberg trials?
People would be, like.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
That's inappropriate.
They are responsible Forkilling millions of people, but
like but look, he's dancing.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
But look, it's a dancing gerbils.
He's putting injections Intothese people.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
We don't know what it is.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
It could be happiness .
It's not, but it could behappiness.
It's not, but it could be.
Yeah, it could be, but morelikely it's probably polio.
All right, so are you good withthis episode, nate?
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Yeah, it's a good place to stop.
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