Richman Brothers Company: The company where you're "Family"

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Shaun (00:00):
The Richmond Brothers Suit Company.
As you listeners probably don'tknow, I have a thing for
collecting and wearing vintagesuits.
I bought me a nice three-piecewool suit by the Richmond
Brothers Company and it camefrom probably the late 70s or
early 60s, judging by the tags,and I'm a curious sort.
So I decided, hey, maybe thiscompany has some history and
I'll look it up.
And sure enough it does.
In fact, a few of the suits Ihave have some interesting
companies behind them.

(00:20):
Maybe we'll go over them later,but for this one it's going to
be the Richmond Brothers.
This episode will be about themarch of capitalism and working
for the man and Nate.
This episode might make youkind of mad.

Nate (00:30):
Why is it going to be mad?

Shaun (00:32):
Oh you know, just business stuff, Employment stuff
.

Nate (00:37):
No, I mean, I'm down for business talk.
There was a time I waslistening to the podcast.
What is it Wars.
Something wars Business warsyes.
And man, that was fascinating.
You know like, uh, particularlythe Sony Nintendo stuff, um,
even the um Napster, like I wasalmost forgot that even exist
they're still making.

Shaun (00:56):
Uh, those podcasts too.
Actually, they just don'trelease them super regularly.
It's like every couple ofmonths they'll come out with a
new series, because there's alot of production quality in
that thing, because it'sbasically set up like a stage
play pause, hello what do youneed?

Nate (01:08):
well, you walked in here.
What do you need?
You need tape.
Uh, I don't know.
You all y'all stole all my tapeanyway, go see dad.

Shaun (01:16):
He's an endless supply of tape.

Nate (01:17):
He always has tape well, I collected all the tape when my
office is actually like puttogether, right now it's a mess,
I don't know.
Right now it's the equivalentof shoving it in the closet and
closing the door just so atleast I can use my stuff.
But yeah, I got all the sparetape in the house and put it all
in one area.
I'm like, okay, this is whereit all is, and then steadily

(01:39):
vanished.

Shaun (01:40):
And yet nobody resupplies the stock.

Nate (01:42):
Well no, and they use it for dumb shit.
I and yet nobody resupplies thestock Well no, and they use it
for dumb shit.
Like I walked in one day andthey like taped a chair to
another chair, like why are youtaping?

Shaun (01:49):
a chair to another chair.
I mean, that's how you craftstuff in a lot of video games.

Nate (01:54):
So I mean I kind of see the logic.

Shaun (01:55):
Sure, fair enough, yeah, if you tape two chairs together,
you get a car sometimes.
So, eh, Two chairs and a penciland you have a rocket ship to
go to the next level, Damnstraight.
So video game logic.
That's why they taped twochairs together.
Maybe it'd make a couch.
Alright, let's get into it then.
Richmond Brothers was originallynamed the Lehman Richmond
Company and was founded byJewish Bavarian immigrants,

(02:16):
Henry Richmond Sr and hisbrother-in-law and business
partner, Joseph Lehman, inPortsmouth, Ohio in 1853.
Joseph Lehman in Portsmouth,Ohio in 1853.
In 1879, business was pickingup and they decided things would
get even better, though, ifthey moved to a larger city with
a larger population and morepeople to employ and also, you
know, more people to buy theirstuff.
This plan turned out to be good, as business boomed while they
were in Cleveland.

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1904 comes along, and bothHenry Richmond Sr and Joseph
Lehman have retired andtransferred ownership of the
company to Henry Sr's three sons, Nathan Charles and Henry Jr.
The business is renamedRichmond Brothers because it's
three brothers Clever Nathan,right.
Nathan Charles and Henry openedretail outlets selling
factory-produced men's clothingdirectly to customers, the first

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clothier to do so in America.
All suits were priced at $10until 1939, when men's
furnishings and hats were addedto the line.
We go back to 1917, and afterapproximately 40 years of
building the brand in Cleveland,the Richmond brothers
commissioned their firstCleveland factory to be built at
1600 East 55th Street.
Before this, they had justmoved around to various existing
buildings and retrofitted themto what they need to clothing

(03:18):
shops and whatnot, but this wasgoing to be their giant flagship
factory and everything theowners ever wanted, and it will
last forever.
Yeah, it is actually stillstanding to this day.
To be honest, there you go.
Yeah, I'll send you somepictures later.
It's actually a really coollooking building.
In fact, it's a cool enoughbuilding that the factory
quickly became a landmark onEast 55th Street and as a result
of its domineering size bothinside and out.

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It had 15 foot high-highceilings, large-scale windows
and even the world's largestcutting table at the time,
measuring 60 feet long.
The structure provided RichmondBrothers employees with working
conditions that were unheard ofin the garment industry at the
time.
It was literally astate-of-the-art, suit-making
factory for the era.

Nate (03:57):
I'm always impressed by like the largest, whatever I
mean, particularly if it'sman-made.
If it's a large mountain, okay,fair, that's nature.
But like, oh, the largest.
You know cutting board Like, oh, that's cool, I guess, until
someone makes a bigger one.

Shaun (04:10):
Right, Actually.
Hey, we made a cutting boardthe size of a tarmac.

Nate (04:17):
That's just a log laying there.
The reason why I laugh too isbecause you know actually, look,
and they went and saw it.
I'm like uh, that's what?
Like that is four feet tall.
I mean, it's actually for agarden gnome it's impressive
size, but also for anything elseit's not.
It's just it's a statue that'sin the shape of a garden gnome,

(04:37):
like I'm glad you guys, you know, had something to bring some
tourists to ames, iowa, becausethere's I don't based on what I
saw when I was there, like I waslooking up trying to find out
things for them to do, there'sjack shit to do in Arizona Come
see the world's largestminiature dog.
Yeah, I mean basically it's acollege town.
You'd think there'd be more todo in a college town, but I'm

(05:00):
guessing, it probably haspositive.

Shaun (05:03):
The Cleveland Chamber of Commerce even designated it the
best-built factory in Clevelandin 1917, and it cost the company
$300,000 at the time, whichtranslates to $7.3 million.
1918 rolls around and theUnited States is in World War I
and, as you can guess, we got alot of injured soldiers coming
back this way from Europe.
The government approachesRichmond Brothers and say, hey,

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you know all these injuredpeople coming back.
We could really use a place tostore them, you know, like a
hospital or the such.
Any chance you could help usout.
Richmond Brothers agreed to letthe government use their
structure as needed and alsodidn't even charge the
government.
They said you can use, we're infor this whole war effort, you
can use the building forwhatever you want and we won't
even charge you.
And they were actually thefirst building in the country to
let the government use theirfacilities for free.
That's kind of neat.
Yeah, sure, why not?

(05:47):
I mean.
I'm not sure exactly whathappened to their business in
the meantime, if they just likeshuffled everybody off to a
different side or something likethat.
Yeah, I'm not.

Nate (06:00):
Details are kind of sketch , quote unquote pure.
You know it was like it justlike oh yeah, for the boys, now
yeah, I want to get into it, butnow it's a little more muddled
for the boys with an asteriskafterword, after oh yeah,
absolutely yeah.

Shaun (06:12):
For the boys.

Nate (06:13):
That's the.
You know.
I said pure.
But also the moment you saidthat I'm like, oh wait, time out
.
Yeah, there is a.
There's a pretty giant asteriskbehind.
That is never mind, I retractmy statement Once again.
Off-topic.
Standard Nathan retracts hisstatement.
Nathan says something and thenI immediately retracts it.

Shaun (06:31):
One of these days we'll just have an episode.
That's nothing but yourretractions, one after another.

Nate (06:36):
It'll go on for an hour and a half.
Well, the best thing is they'llbe retractions of things.
I just said Ha Ha, attractionsof things.

Shaun (06:43):
I just said 1924 and 1927 .
Additions were added to thefactory, bringing it to 650,000
square feet of interior space,or 17 acres under one roof.
That is actually quite a bitbigger than Scrooge's money bin,
which was three acres.
Check out the Life and Timesepisode of Scrooge McDuck for
that.
Yeah, of course it wasn't fullof money so, but still, 17 acres

(07:03):
, that's a pretty big building.
Yeah, lions, of course itwasn't full of money so, but
still 17 acres, that's a prettybig building.
That's hella big.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
By 1928, the company had 31menswear stores in 30 cities.
They also sold their suits andtuxedos by mail.
Salesmen sold door-to-door andsometimes they would travel
around in a touring RichmondBrothers company truck.
The trucks had painted on theside the company's no middleman

(07:26):
profits slogan and this wasactually kind of cool because
they're little like mobile.
Trucks were actually mobileshowrooms, like they had the
windows on the sides andlighting so you could actually
like they'd pull up outside yourhouse and go in there and look
around at like a little showroomof suits, you know, back a
little box truck kind of thing,but cool little setup so you
could actually, you know, feelthe fabrics and stuff.

Nate (07:49):
What a hellish life to be a door-to-door salesman.
I mean, can you imagine just?
You have to be numb torejection because you're walking
up these people, you'rebothering them during the day.
Or knock on the door, hey,we'll buy a suit.
No, okay, cool, or slam or getoff my lawn or whatever.

Shaun (07:56):
I mean it's made up by all the lonely home housewives.
You get a plow during the day,though yeah yeah, it's feast or
famine well it's.

Nate (08:03):
But also you think about nowadays it's kind of like gone
the way of the dodo.

Shaun (08:06):
You know you don't really get like around here, if you
show up to somebody's front doorunsolicited, you might get shot
.
So yeah, that's literally thetruth of it that's not.

Nate (08:14):
That's the quiet around here, you know.
But still, like every so often,I'll get a door to the salesman
, but they're selling like, oh,we're doing, we're selling um
vacuum cleaners or well, no, notvacuum like a fucking uh home
security or oh gosh gutters, orsomething like that yeah, this
one guy came by.
he's like basically trying topitch, like a groupon thing, and

(08:36):
he's like, oh, your neighbor'sover there, you know sally, so
and so from over there I'm likeI just go, dude, I don't know
any of my neighbors.
I have no intention of gettingto know my neighbors.
They mean nothing to me, so youbring up other people in my
neighborhood that also did this.

Shaun (08:53):
If anything that does the exact opposite of what you
think it's going to do, Don'tyou want to hang out with your
neighbors?
Absolutely not Slam.

Nate (08:59):
And one thing I always do because this is back when I was
actually working from home Iwould just go'll go.
Sorry, I don't, I don't makeany decisions.
Uh, I have to run that by mywife and I'm doing she's not
gonna, she doesn't go for that,and they're like oh okay, yeah,
I just always just kind ofleaned on that because when I,
when I used to go, I'm makingthe decision not to do this,
then they're like push harderand harder, that I'll try and
change my mind.
But if I make someone else likeyou could push all you want on

(09:22):
me, it doesn't matter, becausethere's someone else who's gonna
stop anything I say if theydon't like it.

Shaun (09:26):
It's the wife saying she's not in town right now.

Nate (09:28):
100 percent, yeah, 100 and I'm like, because I make, I'm
making the choice.
No, I don't want to do that.
But I also don't want to standthere for 10 minutes trying to
convince them no.
And I also don't want to besuper rude on the door of their
face because I don't be a dicksometimes.
You, you have to be, but I'mtrying to be.
I'm trying to be three weekslater.

Shaun (09:44):
All of a sudden you'd be eating dinner and be like I feel
bad for slamming the door inthat man's face Just randomly
out of nowhere.
Be like oh son of a bitch.
But I agree that's actually agood way to deal with door door
salesman.
Just be like Nope.
Nope, I'm like yeah, they're inthe hospital right now and the

(10:04):
kids are looking after her.
It's not looking great, but youknow, thanks for bringing up
this painful memory and thenjust start crying.

Nate (10:11):
Well, that has happened.
Where it's finally just likeit's no man, we're not doing it,
Just go away.

Shaun (10:17):
Please, for the love of God.

Nate (10:19):
Yeah, I'm really trying to be nice here.
I feel bad that you're out herein the 90 degree heat going
door to door knocking on.
Yeah, it really sucks.

Shaun (10:27):
I'm sorry for you, but fuck off.
So At this point.
The Richmond Brothers Companywas the shining star of
Cleveland and was their largestemployer of people.
The Richmond Brothers Companygarment company manufacturing
process included departments fordesigning, shrinking, cutting,
sewing, pressing, examining andshipping suits.
Motor-driven machines were usedto fabricate all garments, with
each employee performing asingle operation before passing

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the garment to another worker.
A single pair of trouserspassed through 49 pairs of hands
, a vest 46, and a coat wentthrough 159 pairs of hands.
That's quite the assembly lineright there.
That is damn right.
Yeah right, I honestly wouldhave assumed it was like one
person working on one garment ofclothing.
But whatever, when assembly wascomplete and the experienced
tailor subjected each garment toa final inspection, only then

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was the garment shipped to aretail store or directed to a
mail order customer.
Because of this process,richmond Brothers became known
as the company of quote unquote700 Fussy Tailors.
I kind of like that saying forsome reason 700 Fussy Trailors.
Tailors.
I kind of like that saying forsome reason 700 fussy trailers,
tailors, tailors right, made bya tailor.

Nate (11:30):
Yeah, fussy trailers, a bunch of trailers sitting around
trying to knit with theirfucking wheels.

Shaun (11:34):
Anyway, 1930, the Richmond brothers had a thousand
salesmen selling directly tocustomers across the country.
But 1942 rolls around and theyhad to close down their mail
order division because World WarII shows up and fabric and
patterns were limited.
In early 1943, the companyreported to its shareholders
that 50% of its productions hadbeen devoted to military

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garments and not suits.
By 1948, there were 2,500office and factory workers at
the facility and another 1,300employees in retail stores.
As far as the actual ownershipof it, richmond Brothers was one
of those companies that like toclaim when you work for
Richmond Brothers you're not anemployee, you're a member of the
family.
You're fired, yeah right I know,when you hear that, you're like

(12:16):
, hmm, that sounds kind of sus.

Nate (12:18):
Yeah, make you a member of the family until you're not.

Shaun (12:21):
Yeah, and then we got this quote from the owner
Apparently they're quiteanti-union, even saying at one
point quote the union plan hasbeen one to crush our business.
We think this is wrong to putthis kind of pressure on our
family, because they said thatthey wanted their business to be
one of those where everybody'streated like family.
And if unions just get in theway of treating you like family,
now, nate, when you hear thatstuff, you're probably like me

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and you think stuff likestarbucks and, uh, amazon.
And when you hear we want ourpeople to be like family and
unions, stop that your eyesprobably roll so hard in the
back of your head.

Nate (12:52):
You're afraid they're not going to come back yeah, I mean,
look well, I actually kind ofyou know, back in the day, like
you know, beyond my 20s, Iremember talking to somebody.
He's very anti-union they andI'm like, yeah, I hear I
understand that.
But as I got older and saw allthe benefits and stuff, I mean
I'm not part of you know.
Now I'm working for F&L, so I'mnot a part of any kind of union

(13:13):
there, but just I get it.
Maybe if there was a union Imight get paid more Instead of
like the pennies I'm working forright now working for right now
, Richmond Brothers Battle Unionto keep them out of business.
Nate.

Shaun (13:25):
Got any ideas?
No, okay, nope, they actuallymanaged to do it by treating
their employees like real humanbeings.
Oh, wow, this was like one ofthe greatest companies to work
for at the time.
Employees were given two weeksof paid vacation, one at
Christmas and one at the Fourthof July, which was literally
they were the first companyweeks of paid vacation every
year.
They also offered paidmaternity leave, a 36-hour work
week, when 48-hour work weekswere common.

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They did not believe in timeclocks because they trusted
their employees to show up ontime and were like well, if we
put in time clocks, that justmeans we don't trust them.
We can't have that.
They would also allow to givetheir employees pensions after
only 15 years of service.
They gave them stock optionsand they encouraged them to buy
them up, which almost everybodydid.
They gave life and healthinsurance, dismemberment
insurance, childbirth benefitsand in 1949, they added a third

(14:09):
week of paid vacation.
And on top of that, nate,here's one more thing they
offered, and this is one ofthose you'd be like damn wish I
had this, say you get into a bitof a tight money spot Car
breaks down porch breaks down,wife breaks down.
you know whatever tends tohappen Wife breaks down.
The Richmond brothers offeredall employees loans through the
company.
Not only that, but there wereinterest-free loans.
And not only that, but therewere interest-free loans you

(14:31):
could pay back on your ownschedule.
They were like you need moneyhere, have some money.
Don't worry about paying usback.

Nate (14:39):
You're part of the family, we will you just pay us waiting
for the other to put the job?
By the way, they kill babies.

Shaun (14:47):
The state of the art factory is also extremely
worker-friendly for the time Big, open-air, open-floor plans,
windows to giant windows,bringing large amounts of
daylight to see.
Some windows were up to 15 feetbig, covering entire walls.
Now compare this to the NewYork Taylor scene, which was
nothing but giant basementsweatshops cramped, crowded,
sweaty, moldy people losingfingers and basically just
unsafe hellholes that people aredying in.

(15:08):
Nope.
And also, too, richmondBrothers were known to pay
higher wages than anybody elseat the time, and this actually
did help them achieve the familyatmosphere that the Richmond
Brothers wanted.
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(15:29):
Because of this, employeesnever wanted to go on strike or
never wanted to unionize.
Even when the Cleveland garmentworkers across the state of
Cleveland went on strike in 1911, richmond Brothers was
unaffected.
Even the strikes in the 20s,30s and 40s they were unaffected
.
People were strikes in the 20s,30s and 40s they were
unaffected.
People were just like no, Ilike this place let's stay here.

Nate (15:45):
You treat your employees like with like at people and
with dignity, you know, yeah.
So okay, yeah, I'm fine withthem.

Shaun (15:53):
You know, not unizizing, they're actually taking care of
their people yeah, I thought atfirst you were going to go on
like this long tirade about allthe ways that uh companies are
anti-union, but now you actuallyuh were very respectful and
listened to what they had to say.
Good, job.

Nate (16:06):
There are definitely companies up but they're
anti-union.
When I worked at macy's back inthe day when they hired me,
they had a whole.
They had a whole video based ondon't unionize, yeah, and lows.
I think they had a little bitwhen I hired out lows, but I
wasn't really paying attentionand yeah, that's a couple of
places, you know they.
They give you a brief, like youneed to report someone if they

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stop trying to give you apamphlet like about unions.
Yeah, I'm like, okay, whatever,man just unionism is close to
communism raw, yeah, stuff likethat.
It's just do you really wantthem taking money out your
paycheck to pay for some duesand like well?

Shaun (16:43):
they don't take that much out of your damn paycheck.
Yeah, first of all, half yourdamn paycheck.

Nate (16:46):
First of all, they don't pay that much and second of all,
like the pros, that way thecons but yeah they really do.

Shaun (16:52):
But yeah, if you're part of a union, you'll constantly
get mail all the time being likeyou should drop out of your
union and quit.
Tell them you don't want to bepart of a union.
Blah, blah, blah.

Nate (16:59):
You get all sorts of anti-union stuff in the mail
constantly yeah, especially likeyou know we're even using your
job, just like there are peoplewho are working with you no
names, but like from what youtell me, like who should have
been gone a long time ago.

Shaun (17:13):
There's like union, haha yeah, although people always do
say that we're just like well,if you're part of a union, it's
impossible to get fired.
Yeah, I've known like four orfive people get fired so far
yeah, it's not impossible, it'sjust difficult, like it actually
needs to be like, yeah, thereactually has to be a reason,
like a good reason or something.

Nate (17:28):
Yeah I mean because, like in you know kentucky I think
it's a quote, quote right towork state or whatever and they,
just they fire you for nofucking reason.
I mean like they just, oh, Idon't like how you look today,
you're fired, and they couldjust do that.

Shaun (17:41):
But you also have the ability to go find a better job
whenever you want, though, andthat's just so easy oh yeah,
just, you know, just the same.

Nate (17:48):
You know a similar job paying the same way you were
making it.

Shaun (17:51):
Yeah, it's totally that's what usually anti-union people
are.
They're like well, if you don'tlike your job, just go get a
better one oh, you can't ha, ha,ha, so yeah you it's like well,
that's nice, you must have alot of money, buddy or run a
business yeah, I love that.
Yeah, exactly right yeah sobecause the richmond brothers,
uh, business model and employeebenefits were so good they had
absolutely no problems duringthe depression hiring people or

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staying in business.
People would just happily goget jobs there.
They kept selling and, yeah,depression basically unaffected
this company.
It is said that the richmondbrothers rapport with their
employees was so strong that, uh, their main guy, nathan
richmond, who's the guy who'scredited with setting up all
these employee benefits andstuff, it is said that he could
stand at the front door andgreet each employee by name, all

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2,000 of them, as they came in.
Whether or not this is true Idon't know Hard to say, but I
mean I guess if he was likedirectly with hiring people and
they're having like companyparties, maybe he could who
knows it's possible, like yeah,uh, my kids elementary school
principal.

Nate (18:49):
Now you imagine, I mean it's not, you know we're in the
middle of nowhere, kentucky, butlike you know still it's a
decent amount.
That school holds about maybe300 plus kids.
You know three to four hundredkids and you know, going through
all the years, this principalof this elementary school sees
my daughter, august, and likestill remembers her fucking name
and like how, like, how manykids have you know?

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She's going to be a junior inhigh school next year and he
still remembers her from, like,her elementary school days and
and knows both sisters and like,and just on site, and I'm like
how, how, what is what I don'tknow I, I forget people with you
I totally agree with you onthat, because when I first read
this I remember 2 000 names.

Shaun (19:30):
That's impossible for anybody.
But then, as I thought about,it's like no, no, it's not.
And then you bring up teachers.
I'm like, oh yeah, teachersremember all sorts of names.

Nate (19:37):
Like 20 years later it's like oh, yeah, you especially
have more like experience withthat, seeing how you work around
them yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah.

Shaun (19:43):
When I got my job at my school, my sixth grade teacher
was like you look familiar.
I'm like, oh yeah, I had you insixth grade.
He's like, oh yeah, sure enough, get out of here, yeah, ha.

Nate (19:54):
I remember what you did.

Shaun (19:55):
Yeah, ha, you might not remember what you did but I do
down on your permanent record,the permanent record in my mind.
Yeah, also, that Nathan Richmanguy, the one who's credited
with maintaining the standardsand knew everybody's name.
At his time of death in 1941,2,000 employees gathered at his
open casket funeral to bidfarewell to him.

(20:17):
I don't know a lot of peoplethat show up to their boss's
funeral.
Yeah, right After his death,one of Nathan's nephews took
over and successfully grew thebusiness until 1969.
And then we can kind of cuesome Darth Vader entrance music
here.
Woolworths comes in with anoffer that Richmond Brothers
can't refuse and decides to buythem.

(20:37):
And, nate, you know whathappens usually when a giant
company buys a slightly smallercompany.
Yeah, that's not good.

Nate (20:44):
Yeah, it's not good.

Shaun (20:44):
Yeah, bueno, yeah, it's not good.
Yeah, basically the usualthings that happen.
Part of this also too.
It wasn't necessarilyWoolworths, but right around
this time, too, polyester suitsstarted becoming really popular
and that really put a ding inthe suit industry, because I
don't know if you've ever worn apolyester suit, but they are
like one of the stuffiest,sweatiest, most uncomfortable
things you'll ever wear, becausepolyester don't breathe.

(21:05):
You get like no airflow throughit, so you're basically just
going to be in like a portablesauna.
And when polyester suits becamepopular, they were like a
fraction of the price of a nicewool suit.
People are like I'll just buythese polyester suits instead,
and then they're just to me likesuits are uncomfortable and the
worst thing ever.
I will never wear one again.
And that's kind of what wouldput them out of fashion a little
bit, because, like a nice woolsuit, those things actually

(21:27):
breathe and radiate heat prettywell and you'll do a good job of
them, even on hot weather.
Polyester suit, I promise youit's one of the funkiest things
you'll ever wear in the heat.

Nate (21:35):
I'll tell you where for it Funky cold Medina.

Shaun (21:39):
Medina, it's a.
I don't get that reference, butI know that word.

Nate (21:44):
It was just a really dumb rap from you know.

Shaun (21:48):
The dog did the wild thing on his leg.
Oh yeah, he's also the same guywho does wild thing.

Nate (21:53):
So yeah, he's like wild thing.
And then he was a two hitwonder, that was the second one.

Shaun (22:01):
Better to hit wonder than no hit wonder, I guess.

Nate (22:03):
Fair enough.
I mean, then he appeared on, on.
He was also an ace ventura.
He was like ace ventura's umcop friend.
He had a really deep rallyvoice like that.
You know, like that was awfulperson, like always.
But yeah, he, just what was hisname?

Shaun (22:15):
tone, look, yes tone look , yep, yeah, he actually just
said his name, like 30 secondsago too oh, did I see I already
forgot?

Nate (22:21):
can nathan Nathan remember 2,000 names?
No, I forgot.
I said Tone Logue like fiveseconds ago.

Shaun (22:29):
Nice to meet you, Mr Tone Logue.

Nate (22:30):
Five seconds later, what's ?

Shaun (22:31):
your name again, buddy.
Oh, tone Logue.
Well, it's such a common name,how could I never remember that?

Nate (22:36):
That would make.
I love the little scenariothere where I walk up I say loke
, like I know his name and thenimmediately turn.
I was like what's your nameagain?

Shaun (22:46):
like like I forgot his name when I initially said his
name anyway, and the reasonthat's funny is because it's
pretty accurate to what wouldactually happen in real life.
Yeah, I'm bad with names.
I'm even worse, so don't feeltoo bad.
Uh, I was actually just talkingto somebody like the other day
and he's like, yeah, you need toemail my address, blah, blah,
blah, and the entire time.
Talking to somebody like theother day and he's like, yeah,
you need to email my address,blah, blah, blah, and the entire

(23:06):
time I'm talking to him, I'mlike I don't know his name, my
God, which was sad because Iknew it like two days ago.

Nate (23:11):
Yeah, yeah, like, oh man do I need to actually tell this
guy, I don't know who he is.

Shaun (23:19):
Yeah, the entire time he's talking about Zach, I feel
like it's Zach, though.

Nate (23:23):
Surely.

Shaun (23:24):
Yeah, so anyways, Woolworths, polyester suits,
suits going out of fashion.
1990, Woolworths deemed theRichmond brothers financially
unstable and the company wasliquidated in 1992, making 4,200
people unemployed.
Sad times, the end of an era.
People in Cleveland.

Nate (23:42):
They stayed at the door as they walked out the door,
saying bye Harold, bye Mom, byeZozo.

Shaun (23:47):
They propped up that original dude's casket right
next to it.

Nate (23:50):
He stayed at the door and he said someone's name like Bye,
Harold, and someone behind himwith a hammer, Whack.
I forgot his name.
Everyone behind him was likeWhack.

Shaun (24:06):
Now their name's gone, too, to Ha.
On September 11th 2009, a groupof Chinese investors purchased
the former Richmond Brothersfactory with the hopes of
converting the property into ahub of North American operations
for several high and low techChinese companies.
Two condominiums, and theybought the whole thing at $40
million, or no, the wholeproject was going to cost $40
million.
That project appears to havestalled and in 2011, a fire
spread through the upper floorsof the factory and apparently,

(24:28):
as the report said, the damagewent undocumented, which makes
me think that people just likewatched the top floor of that
thing burn on fire and they'rejust like huh, well, ain't that
something?

Nate (24:37):
So was a douche about this .
Yeah right, who owns it?
I don't know.

Shaun (24:41):
So, anyway, we're going for dinner, yeah exactly
Somebody who owns it, I don'tknow.
So anyway, we're going fordinner.

Nate (24:46):
Yeah, exactly, somebody else probably called it in.
Yeah, oh, yeah, totally, I'veactually thought that before I
see something like uh, I'm suresomeone else got that.

Shaun (24:52):
Okay, um, actually go into the general text channel.
I'll send you the uh uh linkfor uh, because it's actually
kind of cool, cool looking.
So it looks almost like a videogame level.
It's modern day pictures of it,though, so it's kind of like
all abandoned and falling apart.
But oh my god, there's pinballmachines in there.

Nate (25:09):
That's pretty sweet.
Oh man, this is like right fora horror movie, Right.
Man, this has got ancientpinball machines in there like
the old mechanical wheels onthem and everything Looks for
some kind of like either horrormovie or if you're listening to
this and want to look it up uh,look up abandoned onlinenet

(25:30):
richmond brothers company.

Shaun (25:32):
Or you can just google richmond brothers factory into
punch richmond brothers factoryinto google and it'll pop up
eventually.

Nate (25:37):
Those those pinball machines have seen better days.
Yeah, they have, and you thinksomeone would take it.
Why did why they leave, youknow?
I mean because like leaving thefactory itself, I get that, but
I guess maybe the pinballmachines were broken at the time
.

Shaun (25:51):
Or maybe if you just touched them, they had like this
weird slimy funk on them thatnobody knows what it is and thus
nobody wants to touch it,because I mean, there is water
underneath them.
Maybe they're constantly oozingsome sort of liquid.
Why do these pinball machineshave pus coming out of them?
We don't know.
Don't touch them, though Freddid, and he ain't been the same
since he stopped caring aboutthe employees.
Yes Ha, he was no longer partof the family, thus he must be

(26:14):
squelched.
So there you go, nate, a quickepisode on the Richmond brothers
People who made one of myfavorite suits.
It's a nice three-piece one.
It's gray with little redcheckerboard stripes on it.
Did you learn anything funtoday?
When was your suit made?
Either very late 60s or veryearly 70s, judging by the tag.
The only real way to tell suitsis usually by the lapel size,

(26:35):
but there'll be a union tag onthe inside and, depending on
what the union tag says and thecolor setup and how it's
arranged, that's kind of how youcan tell the generation of what
the suit's from.
And the tag in there has itsomewhere between 65 and 78, I
think, because there are somebroad swaths where they use tags
.
Is it good?
It is actually very nice, 100%virgin wool Fits great.

Nate (26:58):
None of these, none of this touched a woman.
There was absolutely no sluttygoats involved in making this we
kept the boys over here, thegirls over here, and they
wouldn't even look at each other.

Shaun (27:11):
It's called a eunuch suit for a reason, right?
Not because you won't get laidin it because of those poor
sheep.
And in case you're wonderingwhat a virgin wool actually
means, originally it meant itwas wool from the very first
shearing of a sheep, like youknow, when the sheep was first
time it could be sheared and youshear that off.
That was technically virgin wool.
It was supposed to be like thesoftest, nicest, but that was
something that I don't know,that probably went out of

(27:32):
fashion, you know, 50, 60 yearsago.
Nowadays, virgin wool justmeans it hasn't been recycled
and it's the first using of thatwool.
They'll just send back old wooland they'll just like repurpose
it and just kind of like turninto just this giant sheet of
generic recycled wool whichapparently you can buy cheap
suits made out of recycled wool,which I guess is all right.
People say it depends on thequality of the company and stuff

(27:54):
.
I googled it once and it waslike is recycled wool suits good
?
And the overall answer wasdepends, which is a great answer
to get that's always like oh,is it how?

Nate (28:03):
this or this it depends?
Well then, thanks, I waslooking for a yes or no right,
because I knew it kind ofdepended.
Thank you very much it's likewhat I think always irritates me
with, like when I say, uh,particularly girls, that they we
fuss about this all the time.
Hey, do you want to do blank?
And they go sure, that's not ayes or no.
A sure says I don't necessarilywant to do it but I'm willing

(28:26):
to.

Shaun (28:27):
It's a dismissive answer.

Nate (28:29):
Yeah, I'm asking your opinion.
You have one, yes or no.
You might not like I need oneor the other.

Shaun (28:33):
I hate that Sure basically translates to if you
want to, I guess yeah.

Nate (28:37):
And so just the same vein is like is this good or bad
Depends?
Well, of course it depends.
If it's on fire, then it's a noit depends.

Shaun (28:46):
Do you like being on fire , then yes.
If you don't like being on fire, then no, it's a bad thing.

Nate (28:51):
If you put it on like well , if you like sweating, real bad
.
It makes you feel really hot in30 degree weather.

Shaun (28:56):
I'm like well, I don't know If you like being stuffy
and just feeling miserable thenyeah, it'd be a great thing.

Nate (29:05):
Like, all the all.
The seams are like a little tootight so you like you'd
actually want to bend down.
You can't.
You can't bend your knees, youwalk like a robot.
Like if you like that, thensure it's great.
Yep, do you want to move likeC-3PO?

Shaun (29:19):
Yes, yes, actually I want to upload one last picture for
you, just because I like thisone, because it's very obvious.
It's like hey, do you want totake your picture while you're
getting sized for a suit forthis magazine ad?
He's like yes, let me suck inmy gut as much as humanly
possible.
Oh, wow, you're not going toget the actual like.
Yes, you are right, nathan.

(29:40):
If you're about to say that'snot how you measure a suit, you
are 100% correct.
Do not suck in your stomachwhen you're getting a suit-suit
sized.
Blow your tummy out if anythingelse.
Yeah, yeah, you're supposed tostand, naturally, even a little
bit slumped kind of thing.
Not be like I'm going to suckthis in.
Yeah, you can even tell thetailor's kind of chuckling.
Be like I'm going to have toget doing visual stuff.

(30:02):
But hey, if you're listening athome, just Google Richmond
Brothers suits.
You're not going to come upwith a ton of things about it.
Sean here just letting you knowthat this point is the end of
the Richmond Brothers discussion.
From here on, it's mostly talkabout Star Wars, star Trek,
x-men and Batman and other nerdthings.
Please stay around and have alisten if you'd like, but if you
don't want to no hard feelingsand we'll see you next episode

(30:24):
you know, going back a littlebit, you remember I was about to
say that c3po do you see?

Nate (30:27):
now, keep in mind, I don't care about fashion, really, but
, um, that zendaya suit that shewent to the met gala or
whatever, the only reason whyokay, the only reason why you
mentioned is she, her likeoutfit was like, basically like
a metal, steel looking c3po suit.
It was ridiculous and the onlyreason why I saw it was because
how effing ridiculous it was.

Shaun (30:46):
I, I really truly don't care about any of that, but it
popped up the robot from spaceballs oh, you look it, up, yeah,
oh yeah yeah, just type inzendaya c-3po suit and it's like
, oh, yep immediately yeah, yeah.

Nate (30:58):
And then I saw, I saw a clip on uh, tiktok or whatever.
Uh, maybe it was ready, whocares?
And like in order to get thestairs, someone to pick her up
and carry her upstairs.
I saw a clip on TikTok orwhatever.
Maybe it was Reddit.
Who cares?

Shaun (31:05):
And like in order to get the stairs someone had to pick
her up and carry her up thestairs.
I was about to say it lookslike there was like no mobility
in this suit.
Honestly, I would be surprisedthey put like little wheels on
the bottom of the feet so theycould just like shove her along
and just roll her down the Right.
Apparently, she was also in achainmail versace gown at one

(31:27):
point too, which is made by uhman versace.
So that thing was expensive.

Nate (31:30):
Of course it is I mean some of these fashion stuff like
one thing about can represent,or that one reason I respect the
suits you know, especiallythese guys.
It's like, hey, these arefunctional suits for guys or
girls who want to go out thereand like be, um, you know, look
professional, yep.
But sometimes I look at theserunways it's like no one will

(31:51):
ever wear that ever suits aregood because suits are what's
known as quote-unquote, timelessfashion.

Shaun (31:56):
They will look good in any era.
No, regardless.
Stuff like c-3po suits yeah,that's pretty niche right there.

Nate (32:02):
It's super niche I mean again, it's fine for like, oh
we're, I'm making a statement.
The statement is a lot of timesthose high-end fashion suits
are like.

Shaun (32:11):
It's not designed out of functionality, it's designed out
of a look.

Nate (32:14):
What I can do with my talent, right yeah, I saw one
like it's a reddit thing andagain I swear I don't care about
this stuff, I do not look forit, just somehow it finds me and
I don't.
But I saw one where, like thefashion guy's walking down, he
has like a little hat on hishead and that's it, like
literally nothing else.
Dude's naked walking down therunway.
It's like wait, which head washis hat on?

(32:35):
But you know what?
I wasn't looking too close, butmaybe he had a hat, maybe he
had two hats on, maybe on hislower hat.

Shaun (32:43):
He's just got this little tiny hat like a cape and like a
handlebar mustache Like muahaha, I am little villain.

Nate (32:49):
Well, in order to wear it properly too, I guess you have
to be all, like you know, havingsome blood down there.
So, like don't get flaccid,don't think about your grandma
Like great.

Shaun (33:07):
That's all I can about.
Quick, build me a scaffoldingto hold it up.
Right here I am with my penisscaffolding showing me I'm ready
at any moment.
Uh, also, too.
This is in dia c-3po outfit.
What if it's really brightoutside?
It seems like that glare offthat could cause some blindness
in people right be like damageto those retinas yeah, right
also, she's just walking aroundlike oh god, my eyes c-3po, it's
more like chic 3po, ah hapo.
I just read the headline of thepictures I was looking at and

(33:28):
she doesn't look.

Nate (33:29):
She does not look happy either.
I'm like every picture I'mpulling up with her, she's like
a.
She's not smiling at all.
Even there's one next to her,next to her boyfriend, tom
holland.
That's a tom holland.
That's uh dune dune guy.
Um, timidly, uh, shama lamading dong I almost said the
oliphant.

Shaun (33:44):
I've been way off on that .
Oh yeah, you're way off on thatone.
Timothy shama lama ding dong.
Is it just me, or I'm notknocking on dude, because I like
him at all, but doesn't it looklike he weighs about 80 pounds
and like even a light breeze?

Nate (33:53):
would just like send him flying yeah, yeah, I mean I got
nothing on the guy.
He did really great.
Yeah, I've liked him in thestuff I've seen him in.
He just kind of came out ofnowhere for me One day.
It's like I'm walking alongminding my own business.
He's everywhere.
It's like where did he comefrom?
And apparently he did do.
He went through the motions.
I go back and oh yeah, he'sbeen in things so he earned his

(34:14):
way up, but it just seemed likeone minute he wasn't there.

Shaun (34:17):
Next thing you know he was about Zendaya too, or Billie
Eilish.
Just like boom, all of a suddeneverything's about them, right?
But then yeah, like you said,when you look it up, it's like
oh yeah, they had a Disneycareer for 15 years.

Nate (34:28):
You're like exactly right, there are 30 years going
through the trenches of theDisney show.
Now they're huge like so okay,yeah, fair enough.
I've done that where I'm like,yeah, okay oh yeah, they've been
around for a minute, okay, surethey're almost my age.

Shaun (34:48):
This is awkward.
Yeah, you're right, zendayadoes not smile in any of her red
carpet appearances.
I mean, she looks miserable.
Yeah, uh, I have heard those.
Red carpet things are prettymiserable experiences, to be
honest.
You basically get a show up,answer the same questions 4 000
times, have people holler at youand then you get to sit there
and be bored for hours on end,right.

Nate (35:08):
In a very uncomfortable suit.
Yeah, I saw one thing whereapparently Nathan Lane Nathan
Lane Is that his name?

Shaun (35:17):
There is a Nathan Lane out there.

Nate (35:19):
Yes, Nathan Lane.
So that guy, apparently henever answers questions, Like
when he does red carpet stuff,he never says anything.
And there's one TMZ guy orwhatever he goes hey, I love you
, and um, mousetrap I'm sorry,mouse hunt, mouse hunt yes.
Yeah, he was like hey, I loveyou Mouse hunt.
And he they delayed, stops A.

(35:39):
Looks at him.
He's like yeah, he's like youget one question uh I don't know
what the question was.
I said that was because that'syou know, it was a tiktok thing,
or just like you know, he neveranswers questions.
He, when he does these things,he literally just walks in the
building.

Shaun (35:52):
He's you know, whatever but yeah, I remember liking that
movie mouse hunt back at theyeah it's good.

Nate (35:56):
I felt I saw, uh, you know , clips of it.
I haven't actually.
I don't think I've actuallywatched it from like beginning
to end, but it's one of thosethings where, like it's just on
my walk in the room like, oh,it's pretty good yeah, on this
saturday afternoon nickelodeonshow I mean to be honest, my the
most uh experience I've hadwith him was on uh lion king,
you know and that's.

Shaun (36:15):
He was on that too.
Yeah, nathan lane's one ofthose actors.

Nate (36:17):
I know he's been everywhere and done everything,
but I can't really name muchoutside of bird cage, bird cage,
the thing I've actually likesaw him for, like as an actor,
uh, but yeah, the first time Iexperienced with him was on, you
know, lion king saw the birdcage.

Shaun (36:32):
I heard it was really good.
Though wait, you have or havenot have not.

Nate (36:36):
Okay, I thought you said I've seen it and I heard I heard
it's good.
Like did you just say you sawit?
It is pretty good, I liked it.

Shaun (36:43):
Um, I mean it was outside robin will, robin Williams and
a few others in it.
Yeah, I mean.
I kind of remember it havinglike an all-star cast back in
the day actually for its era.

Nate (36:51):
Oh yeah, there was.
It was him Robin Williams, lexLuthor, what's?

Shaun (36:56):
his face, oh my.

Nate (36:57):
God, superman, there too.
Gene Hackman, gene Hackman,gene Hackman.
Okay, hank Azaria was in it.

Shaun (37:05):
Callista.

Nate (37:06):
Flockhart.
Whatever happened to her?
Oh, she's still around.
She's married to Harrison Ford,I think.

Shaun (37:11):
Oh, that's right, that's just a name I haven't heard in
forever.

Nate (37:15):
Right, and she was in that really dumb lawyer show for a
while.
I remember seeing a few.
I watched it from time to timeit was just, you know, it was
just ali mcbeal.

Shaun (37:23):
That one, yes, it was.
That's the only thing I knowher from, to be honest yeah,
well, she was also.

Nate (37:29):
She played, uh, a pretty big role in the supergirl series
.
Oh, she was like a supergirl'sboss or not, you know, not as
supergirl, but as supergirl'salter egos boss yeah was it
Laura Kent?
What was her name?

Shaun (37:45):
Kate and Kent, let's just say Because it's close to Clark
.

Nate (37:52):
That's going to drive me crazy.
Kara Zor-El, so it was KaraKent.
Is that what she went by?

Shaun (37:59):
Because that's dumb.
That is kind of dumb.
Kara Kent, Kara Kent soundslike currency from Eastern
Europe.
I will give you 30 carakentsfor that car yeah, care,
apparently is she went by carecan't?
It's like don't care, I can't.
That is, oh man, that literallyisn't be like what's the
closest female name to clark?
And somebody was like cara andthey're like well, we got to go

(38:20):
to lunch, so, yes, that works Imean clark, can't?

Nate (38:23):
I mean there's always the rhyming stuff.

Shaun (38:25):
I know um that is a comic book thing and I've always kind
of hated that, though I wasnever a fan of.

Nate (38:30):
They're trying to make everything illiterate or
alliteration or rhyme well, stanlee said he did that, so you
remember the names.
Like that was his cheat, likehe would just do like double,
like.
Okay, I can remember that namebecause you know it's.
You know, clark canter.

Shaun (38:44):
He didn't do them um peter parker quick think of a
stan lee character wait damn it,get him ahead, that's right.

Nate (39:00):
Peter.

Shaun (39:00):
Parker.
I got that one that's rightthere what I've explained to you
.
The three names serial killerthing in my first one pots our
mouth is Ted Bundy.
Oh wait, sure girls have threenames like Ted Bundy.
Oh damn right, he has a thirdname.
I swear we still don't know.
Yes, ted, quote-unquote thekiller Bundy.
Yes, killer, damn Wait, he hasa third name.
I swear we still don't knowwhat it is.
Ted, quote unquote the killerBundy.
Yeah, the killer, I don't know.

Nate (39:19):
Ted Killer Bundy.

Shaun (39:21):
Kara Zor-El's real name is actually Linda Lee Danvers.

Nate (39:24):
Is that what she went by?
Okay, that makes more sense,that sounds a little better.
But Well, did she go back show?
Oh, gotcha.

Shaun (39:32):
It probably changed whatever what the writers wanted
to do.

Nate (39:35):
To be honest, yeah, let's see, come on.
Just, I don't care of danvers.
They split the difference.
So on the cw show she went bycara danvers, which is better
what?

Shaun (39:45):
whatever, what other uh names had alliteration for?
Uh, what's his butt?
Stan lee, peter parker, I meantony stark, that's not a
fantastic four.
Oh, reed, richards, there we go.
Sue Storm, stephen Strange Arewe sure this is so he could
remember the names, or is hejust not that?
Cool, that's what he said Imean, yeah, this might be
revisionist history too.
These names are dumb.

(40:05):
I can't think of anything else.

Nate (40:07):
I mean that's what he said , so I mean I don't know.
You know, J Jonah Jameson, hedefinitely went for the stars on
that one, yeah, yeah, TripleJ's, but he did do that for yeah
.
He did do it for the X-Menthough.
Yeah, you know, like Eric Lynch, Charles Xavier, you know.
Chuck EZ On this thing like Ipulled it up on here, it's on
Reddit, and so it was likeWolverine Logan slash James

(40:29):
Howlett.
I'm like, okay, fair, jameshowlett didn't come around to,
like the early 2000s, theydidn't give him another name.
Nobody calls him james howlettanyways, right, right, I mean,
but they didn't even that name,didn't even exist until they
gave him a backstory like years,like decades after they.

Shaun (40:44):
it was just logan so james howlett is stupid too,
because you know wolverine, wolf, howl, howling, howlett I don't
know if that was intentional,but it sounds like it was and I
hate it.

Nate (40:54):
Scott Summers.
There you go, there's one, youget the one for the X-Men.

Shaun (40:59):
Jean Grey.
If you pronounce it J as a hardJ or something, or Grey as a
soft G, jean Dre, jean Dre,forget about Dre yeah, maybe
it's not such a big.

Nate (41:10):
Like you know, I'm sitting here going man.
All those alliteration namesfrom like not many.

Shaun (41:15):
Maybe the alliteration names are just the ones he stole
from other writers.
They all see bucky barnes.

Nate (41:20):
Uh, matt murdoch, they go daredevil um stephen strange
reed richards, sue storm silversurfer.
Uh, victor von doom, likethat's pushing it.
Yeah, bruce banner, there yougo.
Uh, happy hogan, that's stupid.

Shaun (41:35):
Peter parker, miles morales, but that was like long
after peter porker, that's, hedid co-write a bunch of these
characters too and not watch hisbutt?

Nate (41:43):
I don't know yeah, I mean, because some of these names, he
you know, I don't know wellthese are just like I just
pulled up marvel names, thesearen't necessarily specific to
um stan lee yeah, yeah, it's oneof those things.

Shaun (41:54):
Uh, all the writers from marvel back and they had really
cool clever names for all thecharacters.
Stanley was like no, we have tochange this to alliteration.

Nate (42:01):
I mean some of these names too, it's like okay, whatever,
like green goblin, I mean yeah,I guess, but we're not.
You know, that's not really aname, it's just, that's a, it's
a descriptor, or right?
Uh, cletus cassidy, why not?
Sure, they have Donna Diego onhere.
Scream, you know, you know thevery famous Marvel character
Scream.

Shaun (42:22):
And I need to look that up.
Oh yeah, oh, I recognize her,but I've never read her in
anything.

Nate (42:28):
Oh, there's Loki Lafayette , and like oh, fuck off with
that.

Shaun (42:36):
Loki Lafayette.
Isn't that his original namefrom the uh?

Nate (42:37):
fucking religion, though, like probably, yeah, yeah, he's
just on here, thor, brother ofThor Loki.
Okay, yeah, uh, this ScottSummers is probably the
Sebastian Shaw, whatever.
Warren Worthington, the third.
And we oh, by the way, I don'twant to, I don't want to, like,
I'm looking at these and Idefinitely want to start talking
about X-Men, but I probablyshouldn't.
Huh, why is that?
Well, we probably go do.
If you're not going to do it,I'll do one about the, you know,

(42:58):
write one about the 97 seriesjust came out, go for it.
Yeah, cause I'm I'm kind ofgetting all nervous about the
Star Trek stuff.
So first of all, it's like Idon't know, I don't want, I
don't want to sit there like, ohyeah, they made a show and
start going the nitty-gritty ofit and it's so divisive.

(43:21):
You know about the star trekand there's so much stuff I also
I just missed.
You know, like, um, we got thatcomment or comment saying, oh
yeah, here's why x, y and z.
I'm like okay, I totallyrespect.

Shaun (43:32):
Could do Star Trek maybe is just do your first one be a
very overall thing.
Be like, hey, Star Trek wasfound out in the 60s.
Here's the series that wentthrough and the people that
wrote them and who starred in itVery quick overrun and then do
individual episodes after that,breaking down each series maybe.

Nate (43:47):
Yeah, I mean I could probably general overall view,
but just because the X-Men's hot, I'm probably going to do that?
Yeah, I'll go ahead and do thatone first, if you're not going
to do it, I'll do it.

Shaun (43:56):
Cause.

Nate (43:56):
I well, I was working on the uh star Wars hotel one, so
oh yeah, that's actually yousurprised me, cause I thought we
were going to do that today andyou're like suits.

Shaun (44:10):
I'm four hours and I was like, well, I should do an
episode on this and I'm watchingit a second time and taking
notes, which takes significantlylonger than watching it the
first time.

Nate (44:16):
So yeah, I probably should actually watch the original
series.
Should I go back that far?

Shaun (44:22):
I mean, because I don't really yeah, okay, cool, thank
you.

Nate (44:26):
I'm like, oh man, I don't need to watch all, because it
was like was it three seasons?
Was it, uh, three or four?
Yeah, yeah, x -Men, I mean Iliked it, it's just still.
I mean it's also dated.

Shaun (44:38):
Oh yeah, the animation of that is way rougher than
anybody remembers.

Nate (44:41):
Oh, five seasons.
Yeah, 76 episodes, five seasons.
No, I'm not doing that, but Iwill definitely do this Because,
man, it was, you know, thismost recent.
It was a slow build for me,like the first episode.
It was fine but it didn'treally grab me.

Shaun (44:56):
But then, as you actually downright hated it at first
yeah, well, I didn't grab you,you did.

Nate (45:00):
Yeah, I just liked it venomous passion in your my time
it started off with like ohyeah, here's again, I get it,
they're introducing thecharacters, but I, you know, so
they get.
They have to like introduce newcharacter with like oh yeah,
here's this guy, here's this guyand here's this guy, but at the
same time, like look, this isX-Men 97.
This is a pickup of an olderseries that you're supposed to

(45:21):
know about.

Shaun (45:22):
But, yeah, I know, but new kids are coming in, but
let's be real, there's not goingto be many kids coming in to
watch X-Men 97 on Disney Plusthat don't know who the X-men
are, so anything about batman orspider-man, they keep redoing
his origin story.
Every movie it feels like oh mygod, that's so I mean every
batman it's like, hey look, weget to watch his parents get
killed again.

(45:42):
That seems more annoying thanthe x-men recapping stuff to be
honest, at least the ben affleckbatman.

Nate (45:46):
But to be fair, we never got a ben affleck movie of
batman, um, but at least withhim they didn't really go.
They didn't get into it.
They're just like, okay, he'sbatman, you know he's batman.

Shaun (45:55):
Yeah, yeah I feel like the most recent one too.
They didn't really do that asmuch, but for the most part they
always have to do the same.
As spider-man.
It's like, oh look, uncle ben,he's gonna die.

Nate (46:02):
Or they introduced uncle ben black uncle ben, you'll be
around forever, and then yeahwell, the most recent one at
least, they kind of likeintroduced the idea of it was a
bigger thing.
You know it was like tied to aconspiracy and you know that's
fine.
You know, if you want to dothat it's fine.
But yeah, like we don't needthe slow motion pearls, you know
in like it's, you know thealleyway and plus what robert

(46:26):
says the devil in the palemoonlight, right, I mean, and
that was a retcon as well, likebecause you know joker didn't
kill their parents.
But you know it's fine, you knowfor that, for that movie I'll
roll with it.
You know what?
Sure, why not?
You know it's like it's we'regoing to multiverses you know,
especially the fact that, likethey've solidified, hey, there's
multiverses.

Shaun (46:44):
So the fact that, like you know, they can retroactively
make anything canon they want,because this is on earth.

Nate (46:50):
425b, where all the characters are penguins and the
penguins, ironically, is nowBatman.

Shaun (46:58):
Yep, exactly that sounds like something DC probably has
done in the past.
Right, this world where all thesuperheroes are in the Bluey
universe?
Woo, that'd be amazing.
People would watch that.
I'd watch that Because I swearBluey is one of the more popular
things on TV.
I feel like Bluey's amazingdude.
I'm sorry, oh no, I have heardplenty of adults say that Bluey
is actually one of the best kidshows in a while.

Nate (47:19):
Bluey legit is really good .
Like I don't sit there, like,oh, I'm going to watch Bluey, I
don't do that, but you know, IIf it's on nine, but still if
they put it on and watch the newepisodes that come out.
It's so dumb too.

(47:39):
They've actually censoredbecause they come from
Australian TV and they come overhere.
First of all, australia's crazywith their censorship already,
so you know it's ridiculous ifthey're censoring right here.
And they censored one episodebecause the DAG got put on trial
for farting and for some reasonfarting was too far for disney
plus.
Like, really farting is too.
You're gone too now.

(48:00):
I think they finally they put a.
They actually ended up airingit because people were pissed,
so but still, it's just that'sreally good.

Shaun (48:07):
Yeah, there are all sorts of like weird holdover rules
for broadcasting kids shows andstuff like no body sounds and
weird stuff.

Nate (48:15):
I don't know well, one thing it will.
My biggest gripe about bluey isit gives unrealistic
expectation of our parents,because these parents like the
parents on the show, like theycommit to the bit and like their
kids like hey, we're gonna playum freeze tag or whatever.
And so whenever they they hit ahorn, like the dad is the
freeze and they he literallyfreezes and it affects his day.

(48:39):
Like he's trying to do thingsand he's standing there.
They're like paint, like put abunch of makeup on whatever and
be like oh ha.
But then he goes out in theworld where other people are
around and they're playingfreeze tag with him.
He's like he can't leave to goto the store because he's stuck
in the fridge, like come on, man, like stop doing this.
I can't do this to my kids.
I gotta go to the store.

Shaun (48:59):
Period, leave me alone so what happens is eventually blue
.
He's eventually gonna take awhole.
The series is gonna take a turnwhen the dad hits one of the
kids and it just goes off therails.
Yeah, it gets real awkward yeahit gets real dark and then the
truth comes out, all the stories, the molestations they're like
the child trafficking Right Inthis episode we deal with child

(49:20):
trafficking Like whoa Like oh no, Puppy mills become a big thing
in that show.

Nate (49:26):
Oh man, can you imagine Like they spend the entire
episode, a bluey episode dealingwith puppy mills?
That would be interesting, thatwould be awesome watch it.
What's happening to mom, oh godyeah that that'd be horrific,
but somehow hilarious only to acertain number of people like
you and I.

Shaun (49:47):
Yeah right, yeah, you can actually look up the reasons
blue was censored and it's justlocal dumb stuff yeah, it's,
yeah, it really is it's.

Nate (49:55):
It really is dumb stuff yeah, yeah, like uh.

Shaun (49:58):
In new zealand, episode 46 bandit now burps instead of
sneezing due to a complaintabout using a food allergy as a
joke.

Nate (50:05):
That's a new zealand censorship I saw I get clips
every so often of like uh, theepisode was banned from tv
airings due to blue and bingonaming bandit ooga booga, which
is a racial term.

Shaun (50:16):
The word Oogabooge was changed to Shubidua.

Nate (50:19):
I guess If it's legit, like you know, I roll my eyes
about it, but then again, if itis like a known slur Oogabooge
might mean something totallydifferent in New Zealand than it
is up here.

Shaun (50:30):
I can kind of see that, because there's a lot more you
know jungles down there by newzealand.

Nate (50:33):
I don't know, I mean even here, like if you want to, if
you want to make thatassociation, sure, but I think a
lot of people wouldn't.
But then again I'm also I wouldthink of like oogie boogie from
uh, nightmare before christmaskind of stuff yeah, I mean I
don't know, like I'm also notnecessarily I'm not, I'm not in
any of the demographics thatwould be insulted by that and

(50:53):
I've never really said that in a.

Shaun (50:56):
It wouldn't even occur to me to take that as a racist
term not me either, really, butalso we didn't grow up in New
Zealand, so, like you said,cultural differences apparently
in Southeast Asia they censoreda scene where Bluey is doing
surgery on Bandit.
That sounds dark.
The actual scene is the sceneis where Bingo puts Bandit, or
Bluey is doing surgery on Banditthat sounds dark.

(51:16):
The actual scene is.
The scene is where Bingo putsBandit to sleep and Bluey is
doing surgery to BanditHopefully it wasn't, you know,
surgery against his will.

Nate (51:24):
Right, he's like oh dear God, stop.
I don't want to commit to thebit anymore.

Shaun (51:28):
We're going to make you into the pretty girl.
We always wanted Some weirdcensorships here.
All poo scenes were changed tobooger.
The color of the booger in thefirst scene was changed from
yellow to blue.

Nate (51:39):
Which I don't know, that makes it seem like there's
something wrong with them.

Shaun (51:42):
Here's the USA censorship stuff.
The word capsicum is replacedby pepper.
In most of the world peppersare called capsicums.
What are capsicum Peppers?
Capsicum capsaicin is the stuffthat makes peppers hot and
that's named after the fact that, uh like, hot peppers are named
capsicum in some countries.
Uh, I gotcha.
Basically it just changes.

(52:03):
So kids weren't that busyhounding their parents what's
capsicum?
Parents have to say I don'tknow, and then kids are like
you're dumb, oh do you get thatpicture?

Nate (52:11):
I sent them.
Like that ella drew, like, likeshe wrote this, oh, I did.
And I asked what it was and shewas supposed to think the
Watcher.
I'm like that doesn't, you'renot even using the right words
for Watcher.
Like it was, she made a pictureof a giant like lizard's eye,
and I'm like, okay, I mean, thatmakes sense.

Shaun (52:31):
Once you give me all the Marvel comic books.

Nate (52:33):
And which I didn't even notice.
Did you notice the watcher wasin episode five of the X-Men
Keep going, so I can rememberwhich one next episode, episode
five.
Episode five was the shit hitsthe fan.
Okay, yeah, like it really.
The whole series takes a biglike right, left turn.

Shaun (52:49):
Gotcha, the event on the Island.

Nate (52:51):
Yes, and like just event on the island, yes, and like,
just as like just for the showcable.
You know they look at the sky,those fireworks are going off
and they pan down.
If you pay attention, I didn't,I missed it.
I I didn't actually go and lookat a still screen, but I was
watching, saw some people, likereactions, people saw, but you
could see a very, very slightsilhouette of the watcher

(53:13):
because you know, like it's oneof those um core experiences in
all the universes that neverchanges, or whatever it's called
, yep yeah, I watch stuff likenew rock stars and screen crush
and I get to learn all behindscenes stuff like that.

Shaun (53:25):
Neat, yeah, because I mean they're more observant than
I am and sometimes I'm like Idon't know who that comic book
character is anymore, right yeahthere's a sometimes I'll show a
character I'm like I kind ofrecognize him, but like I,
acknowledge he exists, but Idon't know anything about him
yeah, right, that's backgroundcharacter number 42

Nate (53:43):
although at the end, when they went back in time you know
and I know we're going spoilerterritory or whatever um, when
they went back in time and theysaw that you know dude fighting
those other guys, I knew exactlywho that was because they did a
really good job.
Like I was all in Apocalypsefor a while.
He was my favorite villains andhe actually came out with a
series like a backstory for himand he looks exactly like he did

(54:04):
in comics, which impressed meit kind of looks exactly like he
does in the future too, I meanwith the whole.
Yeah well, he's just not it'snot, I guess hard to tell apart.
Well, he it once.
He dropped his face like his,definitely his face, but he
doesn't have any hair.
He looks, you know, nowadayslooks.
He looks a lot more mechanicalbut, um, you know what, the what
, what, the wires coming out ofhis arms and whatnot, and his
head, I guess yeah he's just onewiry dude.

(54:27):
I hated what they did with himin that movie, though the the
movie he showed up in was wasthat that was the third one,
x-men 3 I believe, which was theone I actually didn't see.
No first class it wasn't first,but of the first class.
It wasn't like x-men 3, becausethere was x-men, x-men 2, x-men
3, that wasn't those, it wasthe new class stuff um it was

(54:47):
actually a movie called x-menapocalypse.

Shaun (54:49):
Okay, I never saw that one either, it's not good, he
looks dumb, it's.

Nate (54:54):
Yeah, he does look dumb and they change his powers up
like his.
He's supposed to be this, youknow, immortal, like he can
basically change, and like downto a molecular level.
He can, you know, get real big,get real small.
He's laser blasts, you know hecan shape shift.
But in this, in this movie, hehad the ability of stealing

(55:14):
other mutants powers, but he didit like in a weird way, so he
would get people's he wouldactually steal, abuse powers, so
he like stack on top of it, butthat's that's not what he does
like.
Rogue plus edition or somethinglike that.
I mean, he has done that beforelike he.
I'm not saying he's never donethat in the comics.
He absolutely stolen othermutants powers before, but
that's not his core power setand it's just I don't know.

Shaun (55:38):
It was really frustrating and that's when you stood up in
the theater and screamed to thescreen no, that's not how this
works and everybody told you toshut up and you stormed out of
the theater, right well, Iyelled at my computer monitor
because, oh okay and all yourfamily would be like dad, sit
down, shut up.

Nate (55:52):
You're like you don't understand and so I mean, it was
just really upsetting how theyjust totally bongled the whole
thing and there was actually areally cool like there was a, a
magnet, the magneto story inthere.
That it was actually reallygood, you know it's.

Shaun (56:07):
They made up a tragic character and they just like
totally just dropped the balllike, hey, it's like I wish they
saved that story plot for abetter movie, kind of thing
basically like the Days ofFuture Past was the best X-Men
movie of the new movies and theend.

Nate (56:22):
I never saw that one either that was actually worth
watching if you're going towatch any of the first class
stuff.
With what's his face asProfessor Xavier, who I'm
totally blanking on?

Shaun (56:34):
Patrick Stewart, no, the other guy he was in days of
future boy though oh, okay jamesmcfoy.

Nate (56:40):
Yes, that's the thing.
Like in they kind of blendedthe future in the past or the
future of the past versions onthis one and like mostly takes
place in the past.
Yeah, and it's like they theydo the whole thing to change the
future.
It's actually one of thosethings where they have the
occasional flash forward thatyou kind of wonder if it's just
footage clipped from a differentmovie that was left over well,

(57:01):
kind of it starts off in thefuture and then, like it's, they
send wolverine's consciousnessback to his old body uh, which
is not how the comics went atall, but you know it was.
They worked around it because,god forbid, wolverine's not the
main star in these things.
So you know, they sendwolverine's future consciousness
into his past body because youknow he was still alive back
then.
And then he interacts, he goesand like deals with the first

(57:25):
class people, and it took placea little while after the first
movie.
So you know, um magdalene's offdoing his thing and you know it
, stuff happens.
It's really interesting howthey actually tackled it.
It does not follow, as I said,the comic version whatsoever, uh
, aside from a few things.
But say it's a perfect,absolutely, absolutely not, but

(57:46):
it's better than the other onesyeah, I was about to say.

Shaun (57:48):
One thing I really liked about x-men 97 is they did not
fall into the trope that almostI feel like every x-Men thing
ever has gone into.
Where it's not the X-Mencartoon or series, it's
Wolverine and friends, andliterally like Wolverine is just
the only character that theygive two craps about and
everybody else is just kind ofan ancillary character.
I feel like a lot of X-Menstuff is just like well,
everybody likes Wolverine, We'lljust make him the head of

(58:09):
everything.

Nate (58:10):
Wolverine wasn't really a big deal in this.
You know he was there, yeah,sure, because he's Wolverine,
but I mean they kind of avoidedmaking him the star of the show
like a lot, and he was justbasically kind of a fuckboy the
whole time.
Yeah, he kind of was oh, I want, oh, Gene, I like you so much
it's like, come on, man, Likeyou're embarrassing yourself.

Shaun (58:36):
I'm embarrassed for you, right?
If there was one thing aboutWolverine I didn't really like
on X-Men 97 is yeah, he didn'treally seem like a dude who's
you know like 150 years old,maturity and war weary and stuff
like that.

Nate (58:44):
I'll be honest, I did not like what they did with
Wolverine.
He was kind of a little bitchabout the whole time.
I don't necessarily want to bethe main character.
I really enjoy the show.
I think that people who are themain characters should have
been the main characters.
You could have at least madeWolverine as kind of like a
rogue badass in the background,but they didn't.
He had his badass moments, butby and large he was just kind of

(59:07):
impulsive and whiny and justdoe-eyed for a girl who will
never actually reciprocate itfeels, like they wrote wolverine
like he was supposed to be 18or something like that yeah,
just I don't know, I wasn't, Ijust really wasn't a fan how
they represented wolverine.
I'm sure, hopefully, after theywere, they uh, this next season

(59:28):
that's coming up in probably 10years from now, but when they
actually probably uh, you know,when he's dealing with his bone
claws, uh, they, you know,change them up, you know, maybe
make him a little bit moreimportant uh, that could be,
yeah it'll be interesting andeverything it'll be interesting
to see if they make the physicalchanges they gave him in the
90s when he was the bone clawsand, uh, even the bone claws I

(59:49):
did.
One thing I liked about the boneclaws version of wolverine is
he healed a lot faster in thecomics.
Because the idea in the comicswas the adamantium was actually
poisoning him and his healingfactor was dealing with that
poisoning.
And yes, he was.
He had a very strong healingfactor, but it was actually um
stunted because a lot of it isfocusing on um healing the, the

(01:00:12):
blood disease that would be theadamantium, like the.
You know it's trying to balancethat out.
But with those adamantium gone,his healing factor can focus on
rebuilding him.
That being said, they also keptmade a comic of where he was
blown up and every bit of hisflesh was burned off, except for
like a, a little bit, like somehair, and he grew back from
that.

Shaun (01:00:29):
So he's just about to say .
I remember a scene wherearchangel like literally shreds,
like all the flesh offwolverine's adamantium skeleton.
He comes right back.
Yeah, so it depends on.

Nate (01:00:37):
Yeah, it depends on his writing, because I absolutely
saw like there was a comic bitwhere he literally got blown up
and his it was like he wasdecimated to almost nothing.

Shaun (01:00:46):
He came back like it was fine as long as there's one atom
left of him, his healing factorcan take like he's like, like
he's cell from the dbz.

Nate (01:00:53):
Yeah, exactly yeah, healing factor is kind of a
weird thing for a character tohave I mean it's cool, I mean if
they it's, but always seems tobe like the healing factor
person is a badass.
You know you.
Very rarely do you see, likesee in the comics wise, where
it's like I have feeling factor.
Do you have super strength?
No, can you jump around?

Shaun (01:01:11):
no, are you?

Nate (01:01:12):
fast reflexes?

Shaun (01:01:13):
no, I get beat up a lot and my healing factor is really
slow.
In fact, it's only about asfast as a normal person.

Nate (01:01:19):
Maybe I'm just human right yeah, it'll be the one time I
saw a healing factor kind ofused.
You know, even interestingly,that I thought it was um, there
was, I can't remember it was.
It was a manga and I stopped,dropped it because it got boring
real fast.
But there was.
The idea was like he came, theypulled teleporting on the world
oh, you're a hero.
And like, yay and his buddiesgo off, like, oh, you guys go

(01:01:42):
and like, uh, go on adventures,this guy over here, we're gonna
talk him, we're gonna talk tohim a little bit, and they put
him in this lab in the basement,basically just use him as a
science experiments and likeconstantly, like re-killing and
torture him.
He's like, oh, it's, you know,it's kind of a dark thing.
And his friends are likewhere's, where's harry?
Oh, yeah, he's.
Um, he, he went on a diplomaticmission to this other place.
Yeah, that's the ticket.

(01:02:03):
Yeah, so, and of course, heeventually escapes and befriends
a vampire and kills all youknow, as you know he's, it's a
manga, what do you want?
So?
And then event adventures athand, pantyy shots, every single
.
You know, just, it's a manga.
So, I was just gonna keep ongoing on the vein.
I'm done Okay.

Shaun (01:02:20):
No, actually I was kind of thinking about the whole
Wolverine healing factor thingand his armor and skeleton,
because I also remember therewas one episode or not an
episode but a comic where I was,or juggernaut, just chucked
like wolverine out into themiddle of a huge body of water.
Yeah, because he's so heavy.
From his skeleton he basicallyjust sunk to the bottom where he
drowned and was pretty muchuseless until gene gray fished
him out of the water yeah, Imean just redrawn, redrawn.

(01:02:43):
He's like yeah, exactly like hewould like come back to life and
just make it like a foot andthen drown again and basically,
yeah, that's one way toneutralize wolverine back in the
day, which is actually thatthat's how Magneto dealt with
him on Days of Future Past.

Nate (01:02:54):
Is that what it was?
Is that who did it to him?
Okay?

Shaun (01:02:56):
I remember this scene, but I don't really remember who
did it.
In that movie because it'shappened before oh in the movie.

Nate (01:03:01):
It's happened before.
But like in the movie, magnetoimpales him on like a big iron
bar and then throws him into thesea, but he gets saved by other
people he gets saved by otherpeople, but uh that he gets
saved by the weapon x people umbecause got an air tag on him,
so we can track down.

Shaun (01:03:19):
Yeah, this happens exactly way up inside of, uh,
wolverine's lower intestine asan air tag that's just embedded
into him.
That would actually be kind offunny.
That would be funny.
Yep, it's actually like littleair tag from apple.
As long as wolverine's near aniphone, we'll always know where
he's at.

Nate (01:03:33):
And what they did rip out is that adamantium on that show
on X-Men 9-7.
It wasn't exactly, my brainsaid it was, but it was very
similar but not exact of thesplash page from that episode or
that issue where he gets hisadamantium ripped out.
And I have that issue, but it'sa second printing.
So it's a second printing, soit's not as you know great.

Shaun (01:03:55):
I had the original one.
Well, I had at one point with ahologram on it and everything.
Yeah, I had that whole series.

Nate (01:04:00):
It was like I do have the original of that.
I don't have the secondprinting when he gets it back.
Okay, sorry, yeah.

Shaun (01:04:07):
Cause I remember it was like four different comics and
you could like fold them out andall that covers made like one
big long uh picture for you,because I think it was you had
to get uncanny x-men, x-men,x-factor and maybe new mutants
to make the cover.

Nate (01:04:21):
Yeah, I mean that that was the 90s for you?
You know the 90s, love that.
Oh, you need by the same comicfour times to get this entire
splash page yeah, and that's whyI kind of got out of comics.

Shaun (01:04:32):
it also, too, is like hey , you want to continue this
x-Men story?
Well, you better go startreading some of this Fantastic
Four now.
It's like I don't want to readFantastic Four, well, that's
also why it kind of killedcomics.

Nate (01:04:42):
That's one of the reasons why Marvel went bankrupt, not
that specifically.
But what you do is you havethese comics out there.
You have people buy a four at atime, so the at a time.
So the people looking at themarket they're like, oh wow,
look at all these readers youhave.
But it's a bubble, and that'swhat exactly happened.

(01:05:02):
Finally, people like you and merealize I don't want to spend
all this money getting fourissues of a single comic and you
either do what you do where youjust stopped or some people
just started buying the one.
So then they went from likeselling a million copies of
something selling like a hundredthousand, which is still a lot.
But when you budget it out fora million of them and you print
it off a million of them and youonly sold a hundred thousand,
that's going to bite you in theass real hard, real fast and

(01:05:26):
that's kind of what happened.
One thing I also like to do too,is kind of just wait for like
the trade paperbacks of stuff tocome out, where it just
encompassed everything into onebig book yeah, that's a smart
way of going to, because,especially when it gets
confusing because never mindlike the four issues for one,
like four, four different comicsfrom one issue, but then like
like, for instance, nightfall, Imean you know this.
Uh, with batman, okay, we got,we got four different comic

(01:05:48):
lines for the same character.
You need to go back and forththrough all those comic lines.
Or worse, like in the x-Men orMarvel stuff, we're like here we
have this big spanningstoryline that's taking place on
all these different comics, soyou need to buy the fantastic
four, you got to buy the X-Men,you could get the, you got to
get the Avengers.
Don't forget about Iron man.
Oh, did we mention CaptainAmerica over here?

(01:06:09):
Oh, there's also also.

Shaun (01:06:15):
oh, never mind.
There's a really crucial thingthat happens with animal man.
You know, animal man, yeah,that guy you never wanted to
read, but we need to have hissales so we're tying him into
the storyline.

Nate (01:06:20):
Enjoy why do I need to get animal man?
It's like you skip animal mannext.
You know it's like.
Why is this character dead?
Why, damn it?
I gotta find animal man.

Shaun (01:06:29):
Uh, I always hate it when I opened up a comic I'm excited
to read and like, the firstpanel is like if you want the
full story to this, better gocheck out Avengers number 322.
Right, they give you homework.

Nate (01:06:38):
It's like, yeah, yes, that's exactly what it felt like
homework that cost you moneyevery so often like I wouldn't
mind the ones where it's likethey refer to a different
storyline altogether, likethey're not saying, like the
storylines going on and they'lljust drop a line like oh hey,
did you hear tony stark killed adude while drunk some, or
something like that, or even ifit ties into the story, like um

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logo will run into I don't knowum puck and like hey, puck,
remember we fought wendigo?
and it's like hey, yeah, youknow, little blurb, oh, they
fought when you go back in there.

Shaun (01:07:12):
Whatever, I'm fine with that.
That way, the one person whoread that comic be like like I
read that comic, I know yeah.

Nate (01:07:17):
Yeah.

Shaun (01:07:18):
Because they would do that.
We'd be like, hey, when we didthis, and there would be an
asterisk and be like check outthis if you want more.
That's stuff I actually liked.

Nate (01:07:25):
Yeah, but then but like yeah.

Shaun (01:07:35):
If it's like, oh's like want to know what happened, well
, you better go check out theseother things and like uh are you
only reading one x-men comicright now?

Nate (01:07:43):
you?

Shaun (01:07:43):
fool.
Oh don't you know, there'smultiple of them.
Go read, go read x-factor.

Nate (01:07:49):
Don't want to read x-factor, okay, fine, I'll read
x-factor.
Read x-factor.
Oh, don't want to read x factor.
Okay, fine, I read x factor.
Read x factor.

Shaun (01:07:54):
Oh, don't forget, this continues a gen x, like oh yeah,
you got to go all the way overto an image comics.

Nate (01:08:01):
Oh no, that was gen 13, that was uh, that was yeah, yeah
and or go, maybe gen 13, butthere was one storyline on there
that really pissed me off.
It was like there was, was itactually?
I mean not gen 13, but I can'tthink of the team it was.
Who cares?
They were talking about like,uh, this, they were telling a
backstory about one of thecharacters and the backstory
they're talking about.

(01:08:21):
And then, like you're near theend of the comic and like this
big action scene is gearing up,and then they just kind of stop
and it's these two peopletalking on the rooftop and
they're like then what happens?
Like well, you know whathappens, she's alive, she, she's
right there.
Like what, you're going to giveme a backstory of this
character and this big actionscene's coming up and like I
know she's alive, she's rightthere from the start, but don't
lead me into this big actionscene that's going to happen.

(01:08:43):
And then just cut it off and go.

Shaun (01:08:46):
Oh, yeah, she's alive she's alive.
Drawing an action scene thisintense would cost a lot of
money with the artist and a lotof ink costs so thanks a lot
life imagination, oh man, yeah,that that was one's image comics
.

Nate (01:08:59):
That I know image.
I liked it for a minute, likethey.

Shaun (01:09:02):
I was like.
It was like reading the scriptwas like wait this, uh, this
fight has a lot of kicking in it.

Nate (01:09:07):
I, I can't do right yeah, this in this issue, like um,
their top halves turnedinvisible, so it's just a
particular round kicking likenever mind we're gonna skip all
that man.
I remember looking at lifefields drawings too, like I go
oh, wow, this is really cool.
Then my kid, my child head, wow, look at, that's really cool.

(01:09:27):
But then I actually look at him.

Shaun (01:09:28):
I'm like what, what, like how, how are you least
realistic looking person I'veever seen in my life?
Yeah, how are you seeing theleast realistic looking person
I've ever seen in my life?

Nate (01:09:35):
Yeah, how are you seeing the side?
Like you know, it is a profileimage of chest and their 18 abs
and their back.
How am I seeing their front andback from a side view?
Talk?

Shaun (01:09:51):
about.
There are some of thosepictures that are like can you
tell if this character is facingforwards or backwards from the
picture?

Nate (01:09:56):
Yes, yeah, and there were some accusations of straight up
copying.
They were like hey look, thisexact panel from X-Men issue and
here is a Liefeld comic andhere's the panel from there.
And it is the exact same panel.
The details have changedbecause they're different

(01:10:16):
characters, but like the setup.

Shaun (01:10:20):
He used the same outline and, just like, filled in
different stuff Exactly.

Nate (01:10:23):
It's almost like he Xeroxed it and just kind of drew
over.
You know the other person whichI mean.
Actually, that's kind of whatToriyama did.
Sometimes too, is kept theoriginal, like outlines of
everything, and he sometimesjust build off of that, if I
recall now, but the differencebeing that he drew the original.
Yeah, if you're gonna build offyour work, bear, but if you're

(01:10:44):
gonna build off someone else'swork, that's when things are
getting a little muddled,especially if you're getting
you're in a you're a marvelcomics artist in the 90s, where
that means something.
You know.
I mean, I'm not to say I don'tmean to knock, you know, god
forbid a marvel artist listeningto this.
That'd be great.
Hey, I hope you listen to more.
But, like I, I've mad respectfor him.

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I one thing I really wish I wasgood at enough.
I I've kind of.
It took me years to kind ofcome to a place where I'm not
comic artist.
You know, I wish I could be.
I I've tried.
I can sit here and copy a comicbook panel, um, fairly
accurately.
But if I'm not comic artist,you know I wish I could be.
I I've tried.
I can sit here and copy a comicbook panel, um, fairly
accurately.
But if I'm gonna sit there justbust out panels, that's my
style, my brain just want to doit and I I am an artist.

(01:11:25):
I do like some things to do,I'll get a lot more comfortable.
My style that's just not me,but you do need to have if
you're gonna be an artist, acomic artist.
There are certain standards andstraight up copying someone
else's work is not one of thestandards so stolen valor.

Shaun (01:11:40):
Right there I'm saying that's stolen valor as far as
comic book right yep, yep,that's a good analogy.

Nate (01:11:46):
Yes, also, I wound up looking at the gen 13 comic
books and, oh man, these coversare sure made for horny
teenagers oh my god right yeah,I completely forgot how horny
these covers are oh, no, totallylike damn yeah, man, they were
uh, and they're like oh, herdensity is such she's 300 pounds
like okay, sure, I have afeeling jim lee was like buck,
naked jerking off when he'sdrawing all these characters, I

(01:12:09):
mean constantly I mean all thosecharacters, wildstorm, I mean
let's, we can be.
You know, we can go ahead andsay, like you know, women in
comics aren't exactly likerealistic.
But Gen 13 pushed it real far,especially with their lead
character.

Shaun (01:12:24):
Here's some legs with boobs.
Have fun.

Nate (01:12:28):
Yeah, their lead character , it is she.

Shaun (01:12:31):
I'll admit there's a, there's some nights where what
there are some the comic coverswhere it's like, literally her
thonged ass is just right in themiddle of the cover.

Nate (01:12:38):
There are absolutely several night, you know, when I
was a kid and uh, let's just sayI was thinking about her pretty
strongly so uh, yeah, me tooalso fun fact, gen 13 had a
crossover with bone, believe itor not oh yeah yeah, bone comic
really good.
Never finished it though theyalso had a really cool uh
crossover with spawn.
Um, it was brief, though theyactually had like a cross.

(01:13:01):
Um, it was gen 13, a few otherones where the idea being that
spawn actually like won, hebecame, he came the big bad, he
took over the world.
Spawn was actually like themajor villain and in the future
and then they went back in thepast and like stopped him and
you know, people in the pastwith the future like, ah, this

(01:13:21):
is all bad.
And they went back in the pastand they like um arranged it, so
they basically made spawn'slife miserable.
Like things went well for spawn, so it became big bad.
So they made it miserable, sothings went well for everybody
else.
Um, it doesn't really matter,but the one thing I do remember
is, uh, the main character ofgen 13.
She got put in like um awhorehouse and because she

(01:13:42):
didn't want to be, you know,having to bang all these
different random villains, sheon purpose got like three, like
she said, three, like reallyreally fat and ugly, just so
people would leave her alone andit seemed so you would think
that would work, but I'm surethey're right.
You know like yeah right.

Shaun (01:13:58):
In reality, we are well aware that people will stick
their dick in anything, giventhe chance 100.

Nate (01:14:03):
That was one of those.
Uh, those were the times that90s they got dark yeah, yeah,
yeah, 90s was kind of like.

Shaun (01:14:08):
When they're like, hey, we're gonna try to make things a
little more mature for thereaders at times, because before
that they were kind of seen aslike bubble gummy fun things,
although I do remember havingsome like older, like early 80s
batman comics, that seemedpretty dark oh man, yeah, I
still remember as a kid, I gotsome dark.
There was a, there was likeliterally batman like tracking
down murderers who were likedismembering women and stuff
like that I was actuallythinking about that.

Nate (01:14:29):
There was one, there was a comic strip, there was a it was
two issues and it was a no-namevillain and it was this like
big beefy guy he kind of lookedlike eddie brock, um and this
little skinny guy, uh, he killedwomen, he would he hunted down
and murdered women, he wouldpick him up and he would, uh,
slice him up and kill him, likethat's.
You know, this is fun, yeah so,but yeah, like batman had to

(01:14:51):
hunt him down and it was legitdetective work and he was trying
to find this guy an event, youknow, obviously eventually
bought, he got him but just yeah, it was real dark which I like
that stuff.
I think that's like peak batmaninstead of fighting god yeah, I
absolutely a god, or like thejoker for the 18,000th time.
And I like joker, I love thejoker, he's a great.

(01:15:11):
But just, you know there's asaturation point.
When you get to you it's like,okay, um, let's do someone else.
You know it just just a littlebit, because you, when the joker
comes around, you want to belike oh my god, it's a joker,
not.
Okay, here we go again.

Shaun (01:15:24):
Actually think of this one panel that I had, an old
batman comic.
It was like one of the firstpanels.
It's kind of a gross, shockingpanel, but it's.
It was a dude who went around.
It might be the same comic youwere talking about.
Dude in Mary's was murderingwomen and like one of the
opening panels he's got likethis chick's head cut off and
like the eyes sewn shut and outof her nose is just like pouring
all this snot and he's justlike having to pour over his

(01:15:45):
hands.
He's just like look what I havedone to this woman, kind of
thing.
Gross, like what the hell isgoing on.

Nate (01:15:51):
Which is you was that which is batman um?
I don't know if you're lookingat it right now like no I'm not.

Shaun (01:15:57):
This is like going oh, okay, okay, okay, yeah, okay,
you're on a memory of my bad.

Nate (01:16:01):
I thought yeah, I thought you'd pulled it up, pretty sure
is batman?
See, I think I'm using even the80s or 90s.
Oh, probably never find it.
Oh, no, I might.
I mean, I'm gonna try here fora second.
If I can't find it, I'll moveit.
Fuck on.
Oh, oh, yeah, I mean, it'sbecause it was again.
It was just a random issue,like two random issues back to
back, it wasn't.

Shaun (01:16:22):
Batman 1986, issue 399.
It looks like I think that'sthe shrunken head on the cover
that he actually uses in it.
Maybe what?
386.
Yeah, or 399.
Sure.

Nate (01:16:34):
It wasn't that one the one .
I would think that wasn't thatone, but still that's pretty
like still hell dark.

Shaun (01:16:40):
No, there's actually a scene inside the book where the
dude actually has like the headcut off and he's like holding it
by the hair and there's justlike snot pop pouring out of the
nose and he's all like I don'tknow bathing in it or something
it's.
Yeah, it actually gets worseinside the comic book.
Apparently you can buy it forsix bucks or a hundred bucks
graded, or three dollars, uh,for just a regular old,
pre-owned version and you stoplooking like I want to know

(01:17:02):
where it's driving crazy like ohwait, there it is 422.

Nate (01:17:05):
Uh, let's see batman 422 yeah, batman, issue 420.
It's like it's the cover'spretty tame, but uh, because
it's just batman holding a knifeI see that one.

Shaun (01:17:16):
That cover kind of looks familiar to me as well.
Oh wait, oh, back when they hadto oblige by the comics code,
remember the comics code nathanoh, okay, it was three episodes.

Nate (01:17:27):
Sure enough that at first there's a three-ish three issue
arc.
The first issue is a up closeof a clear.
It's a dead woman, like theupose version, like she's all
crying and stuff.
You see his silhouette?
It's clearly like a dead girl.
Um, it's in the issue 422, yeah, and they it's called the
dumpster slasher.

(01:17:47):
Well, the issue is uh, 421 isthe first issue, 422 is the
second issue and 423 is like thefinale of that and uh, it's a.
It was a dumpster slasher iswho it is.
And it's like this it's a beefyguy who kills women and throws
them in dumpsters, possiblybased off of a true story.
And I'm 99% sure Well, at least98% sure especially this last

(01:18:11):
one, that last episode.
I have this somewhere, likeit's.
It's downstairs in my basementin the box, somewhere.

Shaun (01:18:17):
Big burly dude.

Nate (01:18:22):
So basically, it's like dan hagerty going around killing
women.
No, I'm wrong, it's just forokay, it's two issues.
I was right the first time 421,422, because 423 I recognize it
, but that's I.
I popped over here.
It is that definitely just um,yep, dumpster slasher.
Anyway, yeah, it just.
It also is one of thoseepisodes where episodes, those
issues.
That proves that, like you said, like we don't need, you don't
need a villain, you don't need abig bad villain for, yeah, uh,
to do that, oh wow that's about.

(01:18:45):
Let's see issue 422, and thenlet's see 423.
1, 2, 3, 4, 4 issues.
Later starts the death in thefamily, uh, where robin gets
killed, oh so beaten to death.
Four, five, six, yes that was apretty dark little stretch
there yeah six episodes later iswhen robin gets killed.
Spoiler alert for death of thefamily for a long, long time ago

(01:19:10):
, like 1988, where uh, a bunchof people wrote in like voted to
kill robin oh, that's right,that was kind of a write-in
thing.

Shaun (01:19:18):
No, it was a call it.
It was a caller calling phonenumber you called, yeah, and
apparently it was really close.

Nate (01:19:23):
Of course it was.
It was a really close too andlike, but they voted to kill
jason todd and they did it.
You know that's, you knowfucking amazing that and, as you
know, they eventually broughthim back.
How long did he stay dead?
For a long time, though, though.

Shaun (01:19:39):
Yeah, he stayed dead for a long time because they
replaced him with a differentRobin, tim Drake.
Let's see.

Nate (01:19:44):
Yeah, he was.
Oh, I don't care about that.
It's like Jason Todd he wasdead for six months.
Like fuck yourself.
It was not six months I'm nottalking about.
I'm talking about real life.

Shaun (01:19:56):
How long did oh around this time of this killing off
Robin thing.
Dc was planning to publish acomic book promoting HIV AIDS
education and requested thatwriters submit suggestions for
characters to kill off with AIDS.
Actually, that's exactly whatthey thought about doing with
Robin at first was killing himby AIDS.
And do you want to know whatthe impetus for them coming up

(01:20:19):
with the 900 numbered was?
What's that?
One of the writers recalled a1982 Saturday Night Live sketch
in which Eddie Murphy encouragedviewers to call one of two 900
numbers if they wanted him toboil a lobster on air.
And nearly 500,000 viewerscalled in and they're like, hey,
we could do that with DC ComicsAwesome.

Nate (01:20:40):
Yeah, all the time like, like.
I remember it took a long, longtime, like decades, and
everyone's like six months, likeno.
No, not like in comics, I'mtalking about like in real life,
what issue, from which issue,like how long until they brought
it back.
But I don't think I can keep onfive, like six months, like no
poll received 10 614 votes.

Shaun (01:20:59):
5 34, 5,343 for Jason's death, 5,271 for survival a
margin of just 72 votes.
There is a rumor that a lawyerprogrammed his Macintosh to dial
the killing number every fewminutes, but they have no
evidence of that.

Nate (01:21:13):
That'd be amazing.
He really would have been deadyeah.

Shaun (01:21:18):
Well, one of the writers says that he thinks, like, like
it was a few people that arejust calling the number
repeatedly to get, uh, jasontodd dead because they really
didn't like him, okay, 2005.

Nate (01:21:27):
They brought him back in 2005.
Uh, the reason why that poppedup is, honestly, someone in
quora, quora, what is that?
I never go to the website,that's your quora yeah anyway,
someone said how long was jasontodd resurrected?
and then some someone said dc inparentheses and marvel, who
resurrected in bucky, is saylater the same year, dash 2005.

(01:21:48):
So 2005 is when they broughthim back and he died.
What was it?
1988 or something like that.
Yeah, 88, so that, yeah, it wasdead for a while.
I was right.
Just, there's like six monthslike, no, no, it is not six
months.
I know it was dead for a while.
I was right.
There's like six months Like no, no, it is not six months.
I know it was six monthsbecause, like six months later
I'd still have this child, thosecomics as a child and I didn't.
So, so frustrating, like.

Shaun (01:22:09):
I get it.
The numbers were only up for 35hours, september 15th 1988.

Nate (01:22:15):
Yes, and he died in 89.
So did he December of 88 iswhen.
So yeah, it was almost, becauseI looked at the next issue it
said 89, but it's like, okay,that would make sense.
You know, time passes yeah,time passes on.
January of 89, that makesJanuary 89, and so he died in

(01:22:35):
December 88.
Merry Christmas, robin's deadhurrah happy Christmas Batman.

Shaun (01:22:39):
And then Red in December 88.
Merry Christmas, Robin's deadHurrah.
Happy Christmas Batman.

Nate (01:22:42):
And then Red Hood.
I actually like Red Hood.
Red Hood's a pretty goodcharacter, although he doesn't
seem.
I guess he's a good guy now.
He was going all Punisher routeand then I guess everything's
fine, all's forgiven, like, ohyeah, you murdered a bunch of
people with guns, but you know,it's all good now.
All good, yeah.
So there it's between his death.

(01:23:03):
So there's his death one, two,three, four, five, six, seven,
eight, nine, ten, eleven,thirteen, so 13 episodes later
tim drake came.
So like well, there wasactually he, they these earlier
he started bringing tim drakearound like tim drake was thing.

Shaun (01:23:14):
Like oh, he started rooming tim drake a little bit
earlier than that.

Nate (01:23:17):
Well, tim drake's actually one of the unique ones.
Tim Drake's actually hadparents.
Like he figured out who Batmanwas because he watched.
He went to the Acrobat showwhere Dick Grayson's parents
died.
So because they saw thespecific flip they did, it was
like their.
The Flying Graysons had a veryspecific move, they always did,

(01:23:39):
and so he watched them do that.
And he saw the flying graysonshad a very specific move, they
always did, and so he watchedhim do that and he saw his
parents die fast forward.
He saw a clip on tv of batmanrobin, or robin did the same
move that the flying graysonsdid.
So he put two and two togetherand figured out batman was, uh,
bruce wayne.
And then, um, once, you know,uh, robin died.

(01:24:00):
He figured out robin was gonebecause he went around anymore.
So he started stalking brucewayne, slash batman and he went
into his bat cave and stole hissuit.
I remember correctly.
I mean this is, keep in mind,this is fucking forever ago.

Shaun (01:24:14):
Um, yeah, and he became, and finally batman's like, okay,
fine, I guess I'll let you bemy partner so all you gotta do
is just sneak into a superhero'splace and steal some of his
outfits and be like hey can Ijoin the team?

Nate (01:24:26):
Well, the whole thing behind it was was saying like
without Robin, batman wasgetting too brutal.
So I was like so he needs achild around him to keep from
murdering people.

Shaun (01:24:36):
Mr Batman, please stop being a joker.
Just a sec, what?
Okay, anyway, so yes, so yeah,robin's dead.
Screw him.
Batman's better for it.
Sorry, until he's not that.

Nate (01:24:53):
Yeah, that's one thing about comics deaths is, you know
, I don't know, back it seemedlike back in the day, like in
the 80s, when someone died.
They I don't want to say theyalways stayed dead, but they
were.

Shaun (01:25:03):
They were gone for a while, they stayed for a while
until, like popular, you knowpeople were got up in arms.
They're like bring thischaracter back, but I feel like
nowadays, characters die andthey're just like well, we'll
just hop in the multiverse andpop over to galaxies and, yeah,
we'll just grab a new one.
This one's almost exactly thesame, but he talks with a slight
lisp, but, but everything elseis identical I have no.

Nate (01:25:23):
Okay, let me say this is one of my you know this
off-topic um branded.
I have no research to back thisup, but based on just like my
quick little operating brain, itfeels like people stop giving a
shit about people dying aftersuperman died, because when
superman died it made nationalnews and people talking about it
on, like uh, usa today, and youknow all the tv shows and like

(01:25:47):
the talking heads, oh, they'rekilling off superman.
What are they gonna do?
And then like, oh, yeah, he'sback.
It's like ever since they kindof brought him back and they
brought him back in the dumbestway.
I mean, well, it was actuallykind of cool how they brought
him back.
But then he turned into EnergySuperman For some reason.
Like, oh, then we're gettingrid of his costume, he's an
electric Superman now.

Shaun (01:26:08):
Yeah, and I remember too, People were like, well, they'll
bring back Superman eventually.
And DC, of course, went toStan's back.
No, no, he's dead for good.
And then they had to do thewhole replacement of Superman
thing.

Nate (01:26:18):
Yeah, I mean, again, I really liked the storyline.
I think they did it really well.
They were able to introduce newcharacters.
The new Superboy was prettygood.
And then there was Superboy.
There was the Annihilator,which I don't know what happened
to him.
He's vanished.
I don't know if he's stillaround or not.
Then there was the Steel.

Shaun (01:26:41):
Who got his?

Nate (01:26:41):
own movie, by the way, if you remember that shack, yeah, I
haven't seen it.
I've seen clips and oh boy wasit terrible.
Um, I mean it was.

Shaun (01:26:48):
Yeah, what I saw was like comically bad uh by the way,
this uh, death of characters andbring them back then kind of
brought back a memory from 1994,oddly, oddly enough.
So you remember, in 1994, starTrek Generations came out and in
that movie Captain Kirk getskilled, basically.

Nate (01:27:05):
Star Trek.

Shaun (01:27:05):
Generations came out, yeah, and the whole writers were
like, hey, we want to try tophase out the old generation and
focus on the next generationpast that.
So they decided to kill offCaptain Kirk, to try to be like,
hey, we're going to finally endthe original series, kind of
thing.
Well, anyways, I was like hey,we're gonna finally end the
original series, kind of thing.
Well, anyways, I was at thevideo store.
There was like some nerdy kidthey're talking to my dad and
the lady who owned the videostore about how they killed off
captain kirk and it's gonna befor real this time.

(01:27:27):
And also, like my dad and thelady, the owner of the video
store started like making fun ofhim because like they're
obviously gonna bring him back,they'll never let him die.
And this poor kid's like no,you don't understand, they're
changing the generations,they'll never bring back this
guy's like almost in tearsbecause they're making fun so
bad and oh that's that, yeah,he's like, he's like they will
never bring kirk back.

Nate (01:27:45):
And then like seriously, like two years later, like
captain kirk's back, I was like,ah, poor dude well, and because
they, they even died on thathill yeah, they gave him an out
too because, like they, he wentto the special place where what
you know in heaven, if you will,and he lives across all
timelines, and david said, likehe can come back, like, oh yeah,
did they, didn't he run intosomebody or whatever?

(01:28:06):
That was also dead in there?
I can't, it's been forever sawthat movie I nah.
I've seen like maybe one startrek movie my entire life oh, I
know I have like I even keptlike a picard gets in the same
like heaven place to findcaptain kirk because he's lost
in there, and he runs in the guyand then she's like, oh yeah,
we're living across alltimelines at the same time.
So you know it's, you knowbasically say it's like a save.
You know like he goes in thereit was like a save feature and

(01:28:28):
he just I don't know how theycome back.
I know I know they brought himback for some reason but they
probably teleported him back byscotty doing it somehow yeah,
most magic did it yeah, andagain star trek people.
I'm really sorry.

Shaun (01:28:40):
I you know I'm kind of fuzzy in a lot of those movies,
so yeah, I think I saw like startrek 2 and that was it, the
wrath that was one of the badones.

Nate (01:28:48):
The the bad, like the star trek ones, are the odd ones are
the bad ones, like first one'sbad yeah, first one's, the first
one was terrible.
Second one was good, that wrathof khan.
Third one was bad, the fourthone was good, that was the
whales.
Uh was like the first one wasthe whale one I thought that one
was dumb.
Actually, I liked it.
It was good.
That was, yeah, I really likedit.

(01:29:09):
The first one they like man.
I think I remember that as too,whether they're like sitting on
the bus the first one reallyeven star trek.
It was like it was kind of startat the same characters but they
changed everything about it, uh.
The second one that kind ofwent back to the formula.
Third one was search for spock.
That was stupid, uh.
Fourth one was the whales.
I actually really like that,going back in time, that was

(01:29:30):
cool, whatever.
Um.
Fifth one was spock's brotheronce again, do you want god.
The sixth one was six.
One actually really liked thatwas the?
Um the whole plot, the assassinplot.
Remember that one like theklingons, not even remotely man,
that cling that basicallyklingons had had like they could

(01:29:50):
um other, their ships couldcloak and shoot.
And then so the sixth one, thatwas the last one of the like
the original people, and thenquote what?
The seventh one was the firstnext generation one which wasn't
very good I think that's theone you were talking about where
like they killed they quoteunquote, killed off eric, regard
captain kirk.
Then the one after that wasactually really cool.
That was first contact with theboard came around.

(01:30:11):
Then the one after that wasreally stupid.
That's the one with the guylike they're trying to save some
planet full of like hippies, um, and then the last planet of
hippies being besieged byCartman, and they have to say
right and I think the last onethey did the whole next
generation one was the one wherethey quote unquote, killed off
data.
That nemesis, that was nemesisthat they had.

(01:30:33):
What's his face?
Bane Tom Hardy, tom Hardy washe.
Tom Hardy was like oh, he's ayoung clone of picard, go fuck
yourself.
No, he's not.
You could have done better.
Yeah, there are some similarfeatures, but no, sorry uh, yeah

(01:30:53):
, there is tom hardy, that's.

Shaun (01:30:54):
Uh, he looks more like a freaking um.
What's his name?
Telly savallis, than he does.
Captain kirk, or?

Nate (01:31:00):
yeah, oh, he's supposed to be an evil clone of picard or
whatever.

Shaun (01:31:04):
I mean it's like emaciated telly savalas assuming
you remember what telly savalaslooks like trying to?
He looks like a fat version oftom hardy from star trek nemesis
, oh telly.
So I said tony, oh no, telly,saalas.

Nate (01:31:18):
Okay, yeah.

Shaun (01:31:19):
Yeah, yeah.
Look at them side by side.
They even have the same lips.

Nate (01:31:22):
It's weird Well now Tom Hardy's all like buff.
But you know, back in the dayand Tom Hardy's everywhere he's
been like.
He was on a couple of TV shows,he was in Peaky Blinders.
He was really good in that.
You ever see, ditching theother hardy boy was the best

(01:31:45):
thing he ever did for his career.
Huh, getting out of those booksand into acting.
I was like what?
Yes, that's the mystery.
The, the disappearance of theother hardy boy is a mystery.
Yeah, because you only, it canonly be solved by hardy boys.

Shaun (01:31:51):
But unfortunately one of those hardy boys is part of the
mystery and the one that's stillaround doesn't seem to care,
which seems suspicious, rightvery sus.

Nate (01:31:59):
He's like oh yeah, my brother's gone, so we should, we
should look into that anywayhold on.

Shaun (01:32:08):
I have all these letters that he's just been sending
randomly.
Yeah, it looks like it's in myhandwriting.
What of it?
We had similar handwriting yeah, we were brothers.

Nate (01:32:16):
After all, it's 2024.
Why is it still writing letters?
I don't know.
You think you would think we'resending texts, but he's not.

Shaun (01:32:26):
Um, also don't forget, speaking of cartman, uh, new
south park I sent you.

Nate (01:32:29):
I mean, yes, south park to watch legally, yes, yeah,
totally legally, and I thinkI've already got a little bit
spoiled for me, because I whatdoes it do?
Does it have to do with cereal?
Not really, okay.
Well, I just saw TikTok showedme a clip of a bunch of cereal
mascots, cereal bomb, thing,yeah, oh yeah, Kind of sort of.

Shaun (01:32:47):
Killing a bunch of people .

Nate (01:32:48):
Yeah, okay.
I just have no idea what thecontext is.

Shaun (01:32:51):
I just saw like it's about weight loss drugs, so Okay
.

Nate (01:32:55):
Yeah, it's not going to stop me from fucking watching it
.
Oh no yeah.

Shaun (01:32:58):
It's.
That's actually one of thesmaller parts of this episode.
Yeah, it's actually.
I liked it better than theirlast couple of specials.
I'm not going to say it waslike their best one in a long
time, but it was reasonable.

Nate (01:33:07):
Is that all they're doing now?
Is that all they're doing?
Is there just doing specials?

Shaun (01:33:16):
They're not doing like a movies for Paramount quote
unquote and for comedy central.
They're doing the TV series towhich they're obligated to do
like 12 episodes a year orsomething like that for them,
which is why we're now gettinglike split seasons where it's
like six episodes half a yearand six episodes the next half.

Nate (01:33:32):
I mean, I guess you know it's, I don't know.

Shaun (01:33:35):
I mean I don't like it, but whatever.
Yeah, I don't like it.

Nate (01:33:37):
As long as their quality is fine, yeah, but even then
it's like I don't know thequality of some of the shows
have been kind of hit and miss.
It's almost like it feels likethey have come out and said we
want to stop doing this, but wecan't.
But then again, don't sign thecontracts.

Shaun (01:33:52):
Actually, I literally just did an interview where they
said people have been sayingthat it's the exact opposite.
We are more happy than ever tobe doing South Park.

Nate (01:33:58):
Oh well, there you go.

Shaun (01:33:59):
Yeah, they've actually addressed that topic.

Nate (01:34:03):
I take it back Once again.
I hate to retract the statement.
Ha yeah, I can actually findthat quote somewhere too.

Shaun (01:34:10):
But you are right, though the writing does seem a little
bit different.

Nate (01:34:16):
I don't know it seems like they're less willing to opinion
.
That that came out was therewas a when there was south park
episode where they were tryingto get canceled, like they said,
oh yeah, that was part of thejoke.
Now, then again, like you cansay things, you can, you know
you can say things not mean,especially if you're writing a
comedy series, you know.
So it makes complete sense.
They would say something likethat but not mean it, because

(01:34:37):
it's just.
I guess I just took it.
You know, sometimes people putthings in there that are real
and I kind of took that as moreserious, like, oh, it sounds
like they're trying to get outof this, but I guess, yeah,
they're happy about it Thengreat, so working on um doing

(01:34:57):
Casa Bonita was.

Shaun (01:34:58):
I think they have like a couple of little like South Park
Easter eggs, like Cartmansitting in a corner somewhere,
kind of thing, but it's not thatSouth Parked up.

Nate (01:35:06):
And from what I know too, yeah, from what I know too,
because it's more of anexperience than anything.

Shaun (01:35:10):
You don't just walk in, you actually have to reserve it
and, you know, not have a bunchof people sitting around taking
up time.

Nate (01:35:22):
Fair enough, especially if they're like you know there was
on a show, it was on an episodeand they own it and it really
should.
I'm glad they're mainly on therestaurant, but they need some
kind of reference Because that,you know, that was a pretty big,
that was they whole episodededicated to it.
That was a pretty big, that wasthey whole episode dedicated to
it.
They own it.
You need something about SouthPark in there.

Shaun (01:35:40):
Yeah, yeah.
They also stated, for publicrecord, that restoring that
restaurant was significantlymore expensive than they thought
it was going to be, to which myresponse was well duh.
Yeah, no shit, restaurants arelike one of the more expensive
things you can open up.
To be honest.

Nate (01:35:54):
Well, it feels like also it's expensive.
It seems like they keep onlearning that lesson too, like
oh, we decided to make a movieabout puppets.
We didn't realize it'd be sucha fucking big deal yeah, yeah,
I've heard that from a few guys.

Shaun (01:36:03):
Like don't do puppets on a show because it's just a
nightmare, especiallymarionette's like they did.
Because, if I recall, they saidlike there was only like three
people in the whole world thatwere good enough at marionette's
to actually do what they wantedand then they refused to do the
sex scene yeah, yeah, whicheventually got put out in the
adult edit or whatever it wasthat deleted extended scenes.

Nate (01:36:24):
Well, they were still there, Like I remember.
I went to the movie theater andsaw it was still there.
But yeah, it was the, the, thepooping, that that was more like
they added the whole, like heyeah, that's what it was.
Yeah, they just added like theymade it a dirtier sex scene,

(01:36:45):
which you know, I don't knowit's fine, you know it's
whatever.
Yeah, yeah, I could have donewithout that added scene.
But yeah, honestly, I'm noteven a big fan of sex in in
movies, like if I want to see,if I want to get all like ooh,
then I'll watch porn yeah yeahI'm actually with you on that
it's like when they talked aboutthrowing sex scenes in, like
oppenheimer and um napoleon islike really do we need that?
yeah, I mean it's fine if it's.
It was artistic, like even theoppenheimer, which I still
haven't watched all the waythrough um, oh, you haven't made

(01:37:07):
to the explosion yet.
Damn, no, not yet, uh, yeah,spoiler um ha I just the bob
goes off yeah, I just, I don'tknow like it just almost like
sometimes it takes me on themovie.
It's like yeah, yeah, and ifI'm watching it on something,
I'll usually just fast forwardthere, cause I'm like come on,
give me a plot I don't need yeah.

Shaun (01:37:25):
And if you need to stick a sex scene in a movie.
You could make it like a fivesecond sex scene, or just see
them like sexily going to thebedroom and we we don't need to
know the details of how they hadsex.

Nate (01:37:32):
Just this is.
This is 1995.

Shaun (01:37:34):
Yes, throw it in there.

Nate (01:37:40):
I need something to get me going, but it's.
It's not, it's 2024.
I could just like I couldliterally type in boobies right
now and I yeah.

Shaun (01:37:50):
It's porn is easier to find than ever.

Nate (01:37:53):
Absolutely, I just it.
Yeah, it is not difficult tofind.
If I wanted, I could find itreally easy.
It's not me in the back ofWaldo books anymore Like you're,
like walking into a Waldo books, going and grabbing like a
Playboy or a penthouse, and thenlike stealthily making my way
to the back of the store andthen open the magazine up and
looking through it.
The days of that is gone.
Not that I ever did that Intheory you imagined yourself

(01:38:21):
doing in theory, in theory, yeah, in theory.
One of my core memories islooking at pamela anderson, the
spread, the back of a wall, thebooks, looking around make sure
no one sees me enjoyed all theother kids in the corner of the
store grunting oh and god and ohman.
Well, it was a happy day whenyou'd find, like I found a one
book.
It was a glamour it was, but itwas like it was supposed to be
very artsy but it was a bunch ofnaked women in it.
And man, oh boy, did I look atthat.

(01:38:41):
Every time I would go to themall.
I'm like I'm going to rob thebooks.
I go to the photography section, pull out the model art.

Shaun (01:38:50):
Yay, mm, hmm, all right.
Well, I think we are done forthe moment.

Nate (01:38:54):
Yeah, especially since we've talked about it feels like
we've talked as.

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