November 21, 2024 • 10 mins
What do you do when you have a surplus of train engines that no one wants? Why, you smash them together for fun and profit! But mostly for profit.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Crash at Crush.
Nate, you know anything aboutthe Crash at Crush?
Nothing.
I guess you know the answer tothis already yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Nothing.
You mentioned that before westarted recording and I was like
you were just confused.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
You're like Crush, that orange soda.
Ha, I guess they also havegrape crush too.
Anyways, alright, we'll getinto the Crash at Crush.
Back in 1896, william Crush gothimself a brilliant idea Crush.
Back in 1896, william Crush gothimself a brilliant idea.
See, he worked for the Missouri, kansas, texas Railroad, which
was then known as the KD, orfrom the MKT initials, which
I'll just refer to him as therailroad company, so we don't
(00:34):
get confused and think we'retalking about some lady named
Katie.
Anyways, this railroad companyhad a problem.
It just replaced its fleet of30 ton steam engines with new 60
ton models, and now they had awhole lot of obsolete trains
that no one wanted.
Well, enter William Crush, aman with a plan to use up these
engines in spectacular fashion.
His plan was to set up railroadtracks 14 miles outside of Waco
(00:56):
and have train crashes forspectators to witness.
This would bring publicity tothe railroad company, get rid of
old inventory and make a littlemoney on the side.
So William Crush took his ideato the railroad engineers and
asked Yo, this seems safe.
Boiler explosion would reallykind of suck here.
And then the engineers told himthose boilers are
over-engineered.
They are designed with wreckslike this in mind and they are
(01:16):
quote-unquote unlikely toexplode.
Can you see where this is going, anyway?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Unlikely anyway.
Yeah.
Unlikely does not mean yeah.
Unlikely does not mean no.
The event itself was going tobe free, but since it was in the
middle of nowhere, they weregoing to make a killing on the
train rides they'd provide tothe site.
Price for the tickets werethree dollars and fifty cents,
or about 125 bucks in today'smoney.
So, yeah, it's not too badreally for something that was
not gonna make them any money tobegin with.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
And again, again like people were so bored back then.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Oh yeah, I don't know why I say that again I haven't
said that before.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
But like man, just let's go.
It's like that.
What was it?
People?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
would come from miles around to watch a parade.
Yeah, it's like.
This is the one car in all ofKansas.
Let us go to a parade and waitaround for four hours to watch
it.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
We have nothing better to do, or like go to a
ship that's taken off and likewave at it.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah right, the idea was actually modeled after an
Ohio railroad company who had alot of success doing the same
thing, so this, like wasn't anunheard of form of entertainment
at the time, the site of theevent.
They wanted to make this a bigold production, so they drilled
water wells for use.
Ringling Brothers even showedup and brought a circus tent.
There's grandstand, telegraphoffices and a viewing area for
the press.
It was actually a prettywell-built-up little thing.
(02:29):
They even had lemonade stands,carnival games, snake oil shows,
tons of vendors, Lots of, youknow, scam artists, I'm sure,
like as was back in the day inthe circus tracks.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
A giant sign was erectedproclaiming this as the new town
of Crush, Texas.
A four-mile standalone track wasbuilt for this event.
Each end was going to be on thetop of a hill to get the trains
(02:50):
going as fast as they could getgoing.
So yeah, picture, you know, afour-mile standalone track.
Each far end is a giant hillthat the trains start at so they
can get as much momentum goingas possible.
The train engines would also bepulling six railroad cars, each
full of railroad ties.
Why full of railroad ties?
Why full of railroad ties?
I guess to look really coolwhen they smash together and
stuff would get to go flying andthe railroad cars would
(03:11):
actually be attached by chainsinstead of the usual couplers,
because they figured chains weregoing to be a more reliable
option for the situation.
You need some shrapnel, I mean.
It's Right.
I like the fact that it's likewe're going to load these
railroad ties.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Why I like the fact it's like we're gonna load these
railroad ties why we need someshrapnel to make the people go
Right.
If there's no shrapnel, did weeven a crash to you?
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Really want them to know.
So the railroad company andRingling apparently did a good
job advertising this event.
They expected 20 to 25 thousandpeople to attend and they got
40 thousand.
Honestly, even 25 thousandseems like a lot of people, but,
like you said, people were bornback then.
40,000 people.
40,000 seems like a lot ofpeople, but, like you said,
people were bored back then.
40,000 people, 40,000 people.
Yep, september 15th 1896, andthe big day of the event is here
(03:53):
.
The event was actually delayed,however, as William Crush
insisted, for safety reasons,that the general public be back
a minimum 200 yards.
People didn't like this as theywanted to crowd as close as
they could and apparently theevent had to be delayed for an
hour While the police likeliterally forcibly moved people
back as far as they could.
However, for better viewing,the press was allowed as close
as 100 yards from the event.
So you know you could takepictures and stuff, get a really
(04:16):
good view of everything.
At least this guy, this showthat the dude setting up the
whole event, he did caresomewhat about the safety of the
people.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
You know he was like hey, at least the Le Mans thing
took place in like 1955, wherepeople kind of started giving
shit about people like notgetting killed.
Yeah, Like the 1800s they'relike what was that?
Oh, Sally's dead.
Oh man, she didn't finish herchores Well let's go make
(04:45):
another kid.
Yeah, like damn it Come here,susie yeah right, get in the
mines.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
We need somebody else to work for us.
5 pm comes along and two trainssit in the middle of the tracks
for a photo opportunity.
Pictures are taken and thentrains start heading to their
starting points.
So for Ed Razzle and Dazzle,they actually line the track
with what's known as torpedoesand they're basically these
little explosions that arereally loud on the train tracks
and it's basically they set themup so the train engineers can
(05:13):
hear them to know that they'recoming up on, like you know, the
station or whatever, or it'sbasically like little signal
noises to slow down, stop Kindof varies on the situation.
So as these trains are racingtowards each other and trying to
crash, the explosions getcloser and closer together and
it helps build up the excitement.
You know, you hear it, it froma distance, you know pop, pop,
pop, and then it starts buildingup speed.
So they take off slow at firstand then the torpedo starts
(05:38):
popping off slower, faster,faster and eventually the
witnesses said they eventuallygot so fast that it sounded like
musket fire going off during awar, constantly just like bam,
bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam,bam, bam, bam.
So the crowd sees the trainzooming into sight and they were
kind of hoping these trainswere going to be doing at least
45 miles an hour for maximumcrash impact.
Witnesses say they were going alot faster than that.
(05:59):
They didn't really have, likeyou know, radar guns or nothing
back then.
Right right right, but anywaysthey collide, and I'll let the
Dallas Morning News describewhat then happens A crash, a
sound of timbers rent and tornand then a shower of splinters.
There was just a swift instanceof silence and then, as if
controlled by a single impulse,both boilers exploded
(06:20):
simultaneously and the air wasfilled with flying missiles of
iron and steel varying in sizesfrom a postage stamp to half of
a driving wheel.
By driving wheel I mean thosegiant wheels that the train
actually has, with the littleconnecting plates between them.
Yeah, debris was blowinghundreds of feet in the air and
people panicked and ran inquote-unquote, inappropriate
response.
(06:40):
An instant later, a rain ofmetal and wood splinters come
showering down on the crowdbelow.
A photographer took a bolt tothe eye and lost it.
At least six people were injuredand at least two died, which
honestly, that seems pretty good, considering.
You know, two trains explodedwithin 200 yards of people.
Trains were reduced to a pileof smoldering iron and wood.
(07:00):
The engines themselves actuallycrushed like soda cans and,
ironically enough, the very lasttrains of the cars, the very
last cars that the trains werepulling.
They were actually unharmed.
So I guess the lesson of thisis if you're going to be in a
head-on with the trains, be atthe very back of the cars,
because apparently those thingshad no damage, didn't even move
or pop off the tracks or nothing.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Caboose is the safest .
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yep, unless I guess you get rear-ended.
But, anyways, soon as the shockwore off, though a few seconds
later, the crowd swarmed thewreckage for souvenirs to take
home, probably climbing over theoccasional yep, they're just
like, and apparently people justlike stormed from the crowd
just like complete descent onthe air.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Just picked it clean.
It's like oh wow, I bet this isgonna be talked about forever.
Let's get a piece of it yep.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Well, naturally, this story makes headlines
everywhere and instantly williamcrush is fired from his job as
a way to avoid bad publicity.
However, william crush is hiredback the very next day because
apparently there is no badpublicity for this.
In fact, people seem prettyokay with the deaths, because
the whole thing was just so coolto see, and William Crush went
on to work at the railroadcompany for another six years
(08:05):
after that.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
There was some lawsuits, I mean because like I
don't know like what, what evenmatters, you know they're like
oh, just it doesn't happen toyou, then it's okay yeah like oh
, they died, that sucks.
Hey, let's, let's go grab apiece of this train over here
right, oh, that's a bummer.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Hey, this dead guy's got like a bolt hanging out of
his head.
I didn't want that bolt.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
And I guarantee you that, like someone in there was
like, uh, this is why I wantedto stay home.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Yeah.
So whether there was a wifebeing like oh God, yeah, husband
drug me this dumb thing.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I wanted to go to my sister's and yeah, right, when
it comes to the why weren't youthe one to get crushed by that
Uh railroad tie?
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Of course, not everybody was totally happy with
this.
The railroad company did havesome lawsuits they needed to
settle in a hurry Cash andlifetime railroad passes were
given to the families of thedead.
Oh yeah, I know, hey, yourtraumatic experience with
railroad cars.
Here, have some railroad passes.
Relive that trauma every day.
(09:09):
The photographer that lost hiseye got a settlement for $10,000
or $350,000 in today's money,which I mean I'd personally
rather have my eye, but as faras things go, that's not awful.
The King of Ragtime composer,scott Joplin, was performing in
the area at the time and when heheard of it he composed a piano
piece called the Great CrushCollision March.
The piece was notable becauseit included instructions in the
(09:32):
score how to replicate the soundof the train's collision
through playing techniques,specific notes and the use of
dynamics.
The railroad company known asKaty Well, even with the
lawsuits and payout, they stillcame out way ahead and saw a
huge jump in business, inaddition to the money made in
this event.
So they considered a hugesuccess because not only did
they make a ton of money off theactual event, but, yeah, I
guess their business wentthrough because everybody's like
(09:53):
oh look, we get right on thetrains that crashed at Crush In
1976, texas put up a historicalmarker 5315, a few miles from
that site.
So the crash at Crush is ahistorical site in Texas's eyes.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
A few miles from that .
What's the even point?
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Yeah honestly, that was kind of my thought too.
It was like a few miles fromthe site.
Why, what's the even point?
Yeah, honestly, that was kindof my thought too.
It was like a few miles fromthe site, why not put it, like
right in the middle of where ithappened?
So, yeah, I didn't understandthat.
I did not bother to look upmore about that info.
The Crash at Crush.
Nate, you know anything aboutthe Crash at Crush?
Nothing.
I guess you know the answer tothis already yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Nothing.
You mentioned that before westarted recording and I was like
you were just confused.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
You're like Crush, that orange soda.
Ha, I guess they also havegrape crush too.
Anyways, alright, we'll getinto the Crash at Crush.
Back in 1896, william Crush gothimself a brilliant idea Crush.
Back in 1896, william Crush gothimself a brilliant idea.
See, he worked for the Missouri, kansas, texas Railroad, which
was then known as the KD, orfrom the MKT initials, which
I'll just refer to him as therailroad company, so we don't
(00:34):
get confused and think we'retalking about some lady named
Katie.
Anyways, this railroad companyhad a problem.
It just replaced its fleet of30 ton steam engines with new 60
ton models, and now they had awhole lot of obsolete trains
that no one wanted.
Well, enter William Crush, aman with a plan to use up these
engines in spectacular fashion.
His plan was to set up railroadtracks 14 miles outside of Waco
(00:56):
and have train crashes forspectators to witness.
This would bring publicity tothe railroad company, get rid of
old inventory and make a littlemoney on the side.
So William Crush took his ideato the railroad engineers and
asked Yo, this seems safe.
Boiler explosion would reallykind of suck here.
And then the engineers told himthose boilers are
over-engineered.
They are designed with wreckslike this in mind and they are
(01:16):
quote-unquote unlikely toexplode.
Can you see where this is going, anyway?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Unlikely anyway.
Yeah.
Unlikely does not mean yeah.
Unlikely does not mean no.
The event itself was going tobe free, but since it was in the
middle of nowhere, they weregoing to make a killing on the
train rides they'd provide tothe site.
Price for the tickets werethree dollars and fifty cents,
or about 125 bucks in today'smoney.
So, yeah, it's not too badreally for something that was
not gonna make them any money tobegin with.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
And again, again like people were so bored back then.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Oh yeah, I don't know why I say that again I haven't
said that before.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
But like man, just let's go.
It's like that.
What was it?
People?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
would come from miles around to watch a parade.
Yeah, it's like.
This is the one car in all ofKansas.
Let us go to a parade and waitaround for four hours to watch
it.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
We have nothing better to do, or like go to a
ship that's taken off and likewave at it.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah right, the idea was actually modeled after an
Ohio railroad company who had alot of success doing the same
thing, so this, like wasn't anunheard of form of entertainment
at the time, the site of theevent.
They wanted to make this a bigold production, so they drilled
water wells for use.
Ringling Brothers even showedup and brought a circus tent.
There's grandstand, telegraphoffices and a viewing area for
the press.
It was actually a prettywell-built-up little thing.
(02:29):
They even had lemonade stands,carnival games, snake oil shows,
tons of vendors, Lots of, youknow, scam artists, I'm sure,
like as was back in the day inthe circus tracks.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
A giant sign was erectedproclaiming this as the new town
of Crush, Texas.
A four-mile standalone track wasbuilt for this event.
Each end was going to be on thetop of a hill to get the trains
(02:50):
going as fast as they could getgoing.
So yeah, picture, you know, afour-mile standalone track.
Each far end is a giant hillthat the trains start at so they
can get as much momentum goingas possible.
The train engines would also bepulling six railroad cars, each
full of railroad ties.
Why full of railroad ties?
Why full of railroad ties?
I guess to look really coolwhen they smash together and
stuff would get to go flying andthe railroad cars would
(03:11):
actually be attached by chainsinstead of the usual couplers,
because they figured chains weregoing to be a more reliable
option for the situation.
You need some shrapnel, I mean.
It's Right.
I like the fact that it's likewe're going to load these
railroad ties.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Why I like the fact it's like we're gonna load these
railroad ties why we need someshrapnel to make the people go
Right.
If there's no shrapnel, did weeven a crash to you?
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Really want them to know.
So the railroad company andRingling apparently did a good
job advertising this event.
They expected 20 to 25 thousandpeople to attend and they got
40 thousand.
Honestly, even 25 thousandseems like a lot of people, but,
like you said, people were bornback then.
40,000 people.
40,000 seems like a lot ofpeople, but, like you said,
people were bored back then.
40,000 people, 40,000 people.
Yep, september 15th 1896, andthe big day of the event is here
(03:53):
.
The event was actually delayed,however, as William Crush
insisted, for safety reasons,that the general public be back
a minimum 200 yards.
People didn't like this as theywanted to crowd as close as
they could and apparently theevent had to be delayed for an
hour While the police likeliterally forcibly moved people
back as far as they could.
However, for better viewing,the press was allowed as close
as 100 yards from the event.
So you know you could takepictures and stuff, get a really
(04:16):
good view of everything.
At least this guy, this showthat the dude setting up the
whole event, he did caresomewhat about the safety of the
people.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
You know he was like hey, at least the Le Mans thing
took place in like 1955, wherepeople kind of started giving
shit about people like notgetting killed.
Yeah, Like the 1800s they'relike what was that?
Oh, Sally's dead.
Oh man, she didn't finish herchores Well let's go make
(04:45):
another kid.
Yeah, like damn it Come here,susie yeah right, get in the
mines.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
We need somebody else to work for us.
5 pm comes along and two trainssit in the middle of the tracks
for a photo opportunity.
Pictures are taken and thentrains start heading to their
starting points.
So for Ed Razzle and Dazzle,they actually line the track
with what's known as torpedoesand they're basically these
little explosions that arereally loud on the train tracks
and it's basically they set themup so the train engineers can
(05:13):
hear them to know that they'recoming up on, like you know, the
station or whatever, or it'sbasically like little signal
noises to slow down, stop Kindof varies on the situation.
So as these trains are racingtowards each other and trying to
crash, the explosions getcloser and closer together and
it helps build up the excitement.
You know, you hear it, it froma distance, you know pop, pop,
pop, and then it starts buildingup speed.
So they take off slow at firstand then the torpedo starts
(05:38):
popping off slower, faster,faster and eventually the
witnesses said they eventuallygot so fast that it sounded like
musket fire going off during awar, constantly just like bam,
bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam,bam, bam, bam.
So the crowd sees the trainzooming into sight and they were
kind of hoping these trainswere going to be doing at least
45 miles an hour for maximumcrash impact.
Witnesses say they were going alot faster than that.
(05:59):
They didn't really have, likeyou know, radar guns or nothing
back then.
Right right right, but anywaysthey collide, and I'll let the
Dallas Morning News describewhat then happens A crash, a
sound of timbers rent and tornand then a shower of splinters.
There was just a swift instanceof silence and then, as if
controlled by a single impulse,both boilers exploded
(06:20):
simultaneously and the air wasfilled with flying missiles of
iron and steel varying in sizesfrom a postage stamp to half of
a driving wheel.
By driving wheel I mean thosegiant wheels that the train
actually has, with the littleconnecting plates between them.
Yeah, debris was blowinghundreds of feet in the air and
people panicked and ran inquote-unquote, inappropriate
response.
(06:40):
An instant later, a rain ofmetal and wood splinters come
showering down on the crowdbelow.
A photographer took a bolt tothe eye and lost it.
At least six people were injuredand at least two died, which
honestly, that seems pretty good, considering.
You know, two trains explodedwithin 200 yards of people.
Trains were reduced to a pileof smoldering iron and wood.
(07:00):
The engines themselves actuallycrushed like soda cans and,
ironically enough, the very lasttrains of the cars, the very
last cars that the trains werepulling.
They were actually unharmed.
So I guess the lesson of thisis if you're going to be in a
head-on with the trains, be atthe very back of the cars,
because apparently those thingshad no damage, didn't even move
or pop off the tracks or nothing.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Caboose is the safest .
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yep, unless I guess you get rear-ended.
But, anyways, soon as the shockwore off, though a few seconds
later, the crowd swarmed thewreckage for souvenirs to take
home, probably climbing over theoccasional yep, they're just
like, and apparently people justlike stormed from the crowd
just like complete descent onthe air.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Just picked it clean.
It's like oh wow, I bet this isgonna be talked about forever.
Let's get a piece of it yep.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Well, naturally, this story makes headlines
everywhere and instantly williamcrush is fired from his job as
a way to avoid bad publicity.
However, william crush is hiredback the very next day because
apparently there is no badpublicity for this.
In fact, people seem prettyokay with the deaths, because
the whole thing was just so coolto see, and William Crush went
on to work at the railroadcompany for another six years
(08:05):
after that.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
There was some lawsuits, I mean because like I
don't know like what, what evenmatters, you know they're like
oh, just it doesn't happen toyou, then it's okay yeah like oh
, they died, that sucks.
Hey, let's, let's go grab apiece of this train over here
right, oh, that's a bummer.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Hey, this dead guy's got like a bolt hanging out of
his head.
I didn't want that bolt.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
And I guarantee you that, like someone in there was
like, uh, this is why I wantedto stay home.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Yeah.
So whether there was a wifebeing like oh God, yeah, husband
drug me this dumb thing.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I wanted to go to my sister's and yeah, right, when
it comes to the why weren't youthe one to get crushed by that
Uh railroad tie?
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Of course, not everybody was totally happy with
this.
The railroad company did havesome lawsuits they needed to
settle in a hurry Cash andlifetime railroad passes were
given to the families of thedead.
Oh yeah, I know, hey, yourtraumatic experience with
railroad cars.
Here, have some railroad passes.
Relive that trauma every day.
(09:09):
The photographer that lost hiseye got a settlement for $10,000
or $350,000 in today's money,which I mean I'd personally
rather have my eye, but as faras things go, that's not awful.
The King of Ragtime composer,scott Joplin, was performing in
the area at the time and when heheard of it he composed a piano
piece called the Great CrushCollision March.
The piece was notable becauseit included instructions in the
(09:32):
score how to replicate the soundof the train's collision
through playing techniques,specific notes and the use of
dynamics.
The railroad company known asKaty Well, even with the
lawsuits and payout, they stillcame out way ahead and saw a
huge jump in business, inaddition to the money made in
this event.
So they considered a hugesuccess because not only did
they make a ton of money off theactual event, but, yeah, I
guess their business wentthrough because everybody's like
(09:53):
oh look, we get right on thetrains that crashed at Crush In
1976, texas put up a historicalmarker 5315, a few miles from
that site.
So the crash at Crush is ahistorical site in Texas's eyes.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
A few miles from that .
What's the even point?
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Yeah honestly, that was kind of my thought too.
It was like a few miles fromthe site.
Why, what's the even point?
Yeah, honestly, that was kindof my thought too.
It was like a few miles fromthe site, why not put it, like
right in the middle of where ithappened?
So, yeah, I didn't understandthat.
I did not bother to look upmore about that info.
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