January 31, 2024 • 51 mins
Discover the unspoken truths behind the glittering façade of celebrity beauty standards. Join me, Jerusha, as I lead an enlightening discussion with a panel of insightful youths—Nicole, Ritisha, Lola, Haniya, and Sarah—taking on the pervasive influence of the Kardashians and the impact their brand of glamour has on our self-perception. This heart-to-heart isn't just about calling out the often toxic beauty narratives; it's a clarion call for embracing our unique health journeys and rejecting the one-size-fits-all approach to beauty and fitness.
By the end of our deep dive, you'll understand why the echo chamber of celebrity-endorsed regimens and extreme dieting trends is more than just harmful—it's a distortion of reality. We tackle the deception rampant in celebrity beauty lines, the illusion of attainable aesthetics, and the strength found in authentic representation. This isn't just an episode; it's a movement towards a healthier, more inclusive view of beauty. Tune in for a powerful exchange of ideas that aims to redefine standards and champion a more honest narrative in the media.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everybody, this is Jerusha from Halton Women's
Place and you're listening tothe Learn to Love podcast.
This is a show that discussesall things relationships,
whether it's the relationshipyou have with yourself, your
friends, your family or aromantic partner.
We want all your relationshipsto be healthy.
Through the discussions we'llbe having, our goal is to give
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you the knowledge and tools youneed to learn to love better.
Today, I'm joined by an awesomeyouth panel featuring Nicole,
ratisha, lola, hania and Sarah,and we're having a much needed
Kardashian intervention.
Hi ladies, thanks for joiningme today.
Thank you for having us.
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So the topic on conversationwe're having today came up when
I saw a story in my newsfeedabout Kim Kardashian bragging
about her body fat percentageand also sharing yet again
unsolicited news about her doinga painful treatment to tighten
her stomach.
So this intervention is for theKardashians, on behalf of the
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world.
I want you to please stop,because you are harming so many
people.
And the intervention is alsofor all of our listeners who are
negatively affected by thebeauty standards and ideals that
the Kardashians have beenselling for years.
So we really want to break thatdown through this conversation.
So, as they've been in thespotlight, the Karjana family
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have been at the center ofdiscussion about celebrities
promoting unrealistic beautystandards.
The five sisters and their momas well they're all equally
guilty of posting these envyinducing photos to their social
media pages, which everyoneshould realize are carefully
curated to show them as flawless.
The Kardashians themselves haveeven spoken openly about using
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social media to propelthemselves and their brands.
I, before this conversation, Ijust went quickly on to Google
to look at how much followersthey have, and between the five
sisters and their mom, they haveaccumulated almost 1.4 billion
followers on Instagram combined,which is insane.
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So, from that perspective, bothKim and Kylie have over 300
million Instagram followers and,if we think about it, there are
only three countries with alarger population in the world
and 300 million, and that'sChina, india and the US.
So just think of that amount ofinfluence that they wield
through social media.
So I want to start off theconversation by asking how do
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you all think social media andthe Kardashians have really
influenced the ever changingstandards of beauty?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I mean, I've seen this topic trending on TikTok a
lot and I see a lot of argumentsthat it's not celebrities
responsibility to think abouttheir viewers.
But the thing is in the stateand age we are growing up with
social media, so everything wesee these celebrities do like
Kim Kardashian, kylie Jennerthey are influencing young girls
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and telling them how theyshould live their lifestyle.
And I've seen them advertise alot of diet pills and with this
Marilyn Monroe dress, socialmedia really makes us think that
we have to.
It's hard to explain, but thatclothes are supposed to wear us
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and not the other way around.
And the fact that she lost somuch weight just to fit into
this Marilyn Monroe dress justmakes us think that clothes will
.
Fitting into clothes is allthat matters.
Like I used to struggle withbody image, like the issues, and
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what really changed my mindsetwas that clothes aren't supposed
to wear us.
We're supposed to wear clothes,so it does not make a
difference If the clothes, if itdoesn't fit right, just size up
or size down.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
I think another thing that was really popular, like
trying to like change their bodyis like they're really popular
for like their workout videosand like trying to show how they
like eat healthy or like thesalads that they eat, and they
promote all this kind of stuff.
But like they also.
And then everyone gets soobsessed, thinking like, oh, if
this is working for, suppose,like Kendall Jenner, like she's
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a model and everyone wants tolike have that desired look, so
like they promote these, likeworkouts and everything they
don't like and it's just notlike resonating with people that
just because you do it doesn'tmean you're going to achieve the
same body type.
And I think, like with thedress, it's just like adding on
to that.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah, I think.
So they have this.
There's this phrase that I sawcalled the slim, thick figure.
So it's like you have this flatstomach and tiny waist but then
, like your other proportionsare not proportionate to what
that would look like.
So you have big boobs and ahuge booty and, like this
curvaceous waist and like people, that's, that is the figure and
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that's the look right now.
That's the body ideal right now.
Right, but that actually is sounhealthy and actually also
unrealistic.
When you have a flat stomach,you don't end up tend to have,
like you know, the reallycurvaceous hips or the booty.
That's for somebody that tendsto be, you know, maybe a little
thicker, for example.
So them trying to say that thisis their natural body, which
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we'll talk about in a bit moredetail but like it's just
outrightly a lie and, likeNicole said, like, oh well, if
you just eat like us or exerciselike us, you can achieve this.
No, there's so much more intothat.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Yeah, I feel like there should be like some like
like pre boarding of like themjust saying like this is what
works for me and I'm justpromoting like healthy habits
for myself and for others andI'm just showing you how I do it
and what personally works forme, like you can totally try
this, but like not being likethis is the way to do it and
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just saying like this is all andthen nothing else works.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
Right.
And then I think they say, likeit's not about that, fitness is
the goal.
It's more of like achievingthat body type.
Like, if they are promotingworkouts, it's a good thing,
right, because they're promotinglike healthy habits, as you
said, but then as soon as theyattach it to like the ideal body
type, that's when it becomesproblematic, because now we're
just losing weight or trying toachieve that for other people's
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pleasure rather than like ourown health.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And even speaking on the ideal body type, it's really
convoluted how it alwayschanges.
Like, say, less than 20 yearsago the ideal body type wasn't
slim, thick.
So today people have beencommenting on how the
Kardashians are reversing theirBBLs and sort of going back
towards the instead of the moreextreme features of, like very
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small waist and very large hips.
It would be reversing their BBL, kind of going back towards the
more traditional slim bodyideal that was more popular like
10 years ago.
So in the way of theminfluencing people to change
their bodies to such extremesand for them to be able to
easily reverse that, it's kindof deceptive in a way of them
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saying this is the ideal andthen going back on their word
and changing the ideal foryourself and making other
people's follow suit.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yeah, I actually read something where it said that
the BBL which I didn't know whatthat was before, but the
Brazilian booty lift that thatwas one of the most reversed
procedures.
And it kind of shows because ifyou look throughout time what
the beauty standard is.
It's always changed, it'sevolved, right.
But now it's the big booty,small waist, right.
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So when the big lips oh my gosh, don't get me started on these
lips like look so ridiculous.
But when that goes out of style, then are you going to like, oh
, let's all go to the doctor andlike, change our lips and
change this and that becausethis is a new trend.
Like, is your body supposed tobe a part of a trend?
I know, like a trend is like oh, you know we're going to get
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some champion sweaters orwhatever, but like is your body?
You're going to keep contortingyour body to fit into a trend
and it's self is so unhealthy.
So in a reunion episode ofKeeping Up with the Kardashians,
the family was asked aboutcriticism that they promote an
unattainable level of beauty tothe public.
And my favorite, because it wasso cringy and outrageous, was
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when Kendall Jenner her responsewas very like she's so like,
fervently believes the crap thatshe was about to say.
She was like we all reallyenjoy taking care of ourselves
and being healthy.
So I think, if anything, theonly thing we're really trying
to represent is just being themost healthy version of yourself
.
And then Kim Kardashian addedwe get up, we do the work, we
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work out.
And then she doubled down onthat stance although there was
like some backlash from it whenshe had an interview with Aler
magazine and they asked her ifshe feels responsible, or even
guilty, for setting anunrealistic or unattainable
beauty standard.
And then she says if I'm doingit, it's attainable.
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I really genuinely care aboutlooking good.
I probably care more than 90%of the people on this planet.
It's not easy when you're a momand you're exhausted at the end
of the day, or you're in schooland I'm all of the above.
I do my beauty treatments,usually late at night, after
everyone's in bed.
I'm doing laser treatments.
Thoughts about this.
Speaker 6 (09:45):
I mean, is there really any way to say that?
How horrible is this?
Like we all know that she'sgetting her beauty, or, like I
believe, most of it.
Like we all know she does this,all the surgeries, all this
different treatments, and she'sso passionate about the way this
always works for her and howanybody can do it if they work
hard enough.
But the thing is not everybodyhas the same body type.
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Everybody's going to have thesame reactions to the surgery.
Surgery is this treatment andnot everybody can afford it.
And she is the way she isbecause she works so hard,
because she puts in the effort,she cares more than everybody
else.
She's so extremely hard forpeople who still care, who still
put in an effort and yet don'tget the same results.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
I think, going off of saying about affording things,
I remember that she was showinga treatment called the Vampire
Facial, where it's like you takethe platelets from your blood
and they spin it and then youonly extract some of it and it
goes back into your skin.
Like that's not a cheapprocedure or facial to get.
So I don't see how, like sayingthat, oh, this is so easy and
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it works and it's beneficial,like you can't promote something
to like a very wide group ofpublic and say you should try it
when not everyone's able toafford it.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
And I think it's not just about like, if everybody,
if it's going to work oneverybody, but also like, why
should everybody try it in thefirst place?
Right, if you've chosen thatfor your body, then like okay,
but then that doesn't mean youhave to encourage other people
to do that as well.
Right, because, like no,everybody's bodies is different.
Right, we don't change ourbodies to look like something.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
I can argue that some people do need, not need, but
some people would like to getthe surgeries where there's,
like body comfort and surgeriesand all of that.
The problem is when youidealize this exactly body type
and encourage others to do allthis really expensive procedures
, and make them believe thattheir bodies are not enough.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
And you know what, if you look at the first season of
the Kardashians and look atthem now, you can see a
transformation in each and everysingle one of them and some, a
lot of what they do is sodeceptive and outright deceitful
when they like to say thisthing about I've never had any
surgery.
There's a lot of proceduresthat you can have done that
technically aren't surgeries,but it is something that is
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altering your body or helpingyou to get the look that you're
trying to attain.
So it's not that we got olderand they just got older through
the years and now they look thatway Like sorry, their butts
didn't suddenly, like they wokeup one morning and there's a
whole other booty on top oftheir preexisting.
Like come on, let's berealistic here.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
I do know that there was an episode on Keeping Up
where they were, like, takingx-rays to prove that Kim doesn't
have like the transplants orlike in her butt, and I was just
thinking about how, like, howmuch people were obsessing over
the fact that, about theirbodies, that they had to prove
and take an x-ray in order to,like, stop these rumors.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah, and, by the way , can I just say that Kim
Kardashian isn't the firstperson or before that it was JLo
like they're.
Everybody was obsessed withthat.
They're not the first people tohave big booties, and I feel
like that is almost like anappropriation of other body
types that before were made funof for looking that way, like
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the big lips, for example.
So let's just highlight that aswell.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, can I?
I wanted to talk about thisjust for a short amount of time.
When I used to watch TV early,early 2000s I guess, maybe like
when I was five or so, on YTV orDisney Channel, I'd watch a TV
show and there I think maybefive times I heard this line on
five separate TV shows.
A character would be putting onjeans and be like, do these
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pants make my butt look big?
And they'd say it in a negativeway.
Yeah, and I do know that a lotof this like fear towards having
a more crevacious body typearound that time was kind of a
little bit rooted in racism,because people would perceive
having larger features as beingmore unnatural, more exotic,
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more different, and it'sinteresting to see how that's
changed over time.
But even then, the reason thatit's changed isn't because of
these people that a lot ofpeople would attribute those
features to.
It's because people have takenthose features and have made
them something kind of contortedthem, something that they can
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monetize and something that theycan profit off of without
having the lived experiences ofsomebody who had those features
for most of their life.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
Yeah, yeah, and I think we can also like just say
that these, like having largerlike body parts, is not wrong,
like it's, there's nothing wrong, like you can't have a wrong
body, right.
It's just that we're idolizingthis body type for every like
single person.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Which is wrong.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
Right, because we all have different body types, feel
like there's difference ingenes.
It's so like when we'reimposing one body type on
everyone, that's what's wrong,but like having that body type
in itself there's nothing, butyeah.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
And I love adding on, and adding on to.
That's not only wrong to imposeone specific body type.
What's wrong to Market, markethow we supposed to get there,
and unhealthy ways where you'repromoting Dieting, unhealthy
workout culture and just thingsthat are really harmful to your
body, just to get that body type.
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It's just not worth it.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yep, it like infuriates me how like tone deaf
they are, but I don't know ifit's tone deaf because are you
actually?
Maybe they are just that likeblind that they actually believe
the garbage that they're saying?
Because, like when they'resaying, oh, we get up and we do
the work, like are you actuallyseriously saying that?
Because how can you say thatwhen you have such privileged
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lives?
And also it's just notrealistic like anybody else.
When you say that's common,like when Kendall and Kim said
that Anybody else who's a normalhuman being and has like a rib
cage and your face isn'tperfectly symmetrical Maybe my
eye is a little different or myeyebrow or whatever it makes you
feel like you're a loser,although we shouldn't feel that
way.
But it makes you feel like,well, I'm not beautiful or I
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can't look that way, when we allknow that that is not how they
look naturally, like we have thereceipts, go back to 2000 and
whatever, when they started intheir first Season, right, and
also it's unattainable, becauseNicole brought it up.
It's also unaffordable.
Like don't try to act.
Like okay, well, you know, justgo do some squats and go eat
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like salads every day and you'regonna look like that.
You're not.
So again, you're doing adisservice to people and you're
harming your 1.4 billionfollowers who are, like May or
may not be believing and tryingto emulate these standards that
you're setting.
And I think Kylie Jenner is aperfect example of what that
pressure looks like.
She started doing stuff toherself at such a young age.
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When we look at Kylie, at thevery beginning she had thinner
lips.
Nothing was wrong with that andthis is no meant, no way meant
to be Shaming them, but it'sjust a call out like facts and
expose, like this brand andproduct that they're trying to
sell people and are harmingpeople with, because there's a
lot that you can do.
That isn't considered surgery,but the audacity to say that we
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get up and we do the work likeyou just need to stop with that,
because there's so many girlsself-esteem that you're
affecting between the filtersand the lighting and the hair
and makeup team, and then someof these like procedures that
they're doing.
Whether they want to label itas surgery or not, surgery or
whatever is a technical terms.
You can see a transformation inall of them.
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I remember back in the 80s whenCindy Crawford was the standard
of beauty right.
Young girls were trying toemulate her.
But then she came out and saidI wish I looked like Cindy
Crawford when I wake up in themorning, because I don't.
And that can be so freeing topeople, then trying to sell this
folks concept like if you buythis product and if you do this
like you can look like me.
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So what Cindy Crawford did wasshe took a magazine cover that
they did of her and she showedhow she showed up in the morning
and then she talked about likeAll the tricks and things that
they did to like make her looklike that, so the hair and the
makeup, and then even that doingtricks to make her boobs look
bigger, and then, after all ofthat, they use technology to
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give her a waist and Photoshopthe image even more.
And that can be that truth canbe so freeing to people, because
then you come to see it's likea marketing ploy and what am I
actually comparing myselfagainst a unicorn that doesn't
exist?
Like it can be so liberatingfor people.
So I want to get to what's themissing piece here?
Because we know that they haveimmense cultural power and
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social media presence andthey've used that power to
glorify and normalize everydayairbrush perfection which, like
we've been saying, is thatthey're saying oh, it's because
of eating healthy and workingout daily.
Chloe loves to do that, likehighlight, and I have no doubt,
chloe, that you're in the gym,you're working out hard, you're
doing it great, but that's notthe only thing that has you
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looking that way.
Let's be real.
So, essentially, they areperpetuating this idea that if
their fans or followers followthe same thing or buy their
products Eat healthy or exercisethat they could achieve the
same results.
But Also buy their waisttrainers and their lip liners
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and their vitamins, and if youjust live a push lifestyle,
you'll look like them.
So what's the missing piecethat we're leaving out out of
this narrative of theKardashians being the beauty
standard?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
They have everything that they need to get the way
that they are, and a lot ofpeople don't have personal
trainers 24, seven personalchefs, plastic surgeons on call.
You know, not a lot of peoplehave that resource available to
them to craft a Idealizedversion of themselves and, as a
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result, it can lead them to dodangerous things.
You know plastic surgery, inparticular PBLs.
They're really dangerous If youget them at Less Certified
places or if you travel to getthem.
I know a lot of people who'vepassed away because of botched
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Plastic surgeries, and it's it'sharmful for them to perpetuate
this behavior, while also sayingthat everyone can get it.
It's a very privileged point ofview for them to say that
Getting the perfect body is aseasy as XYZ, when you're going
to need so much Monetary backingin order to even begin that
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journey.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
It's yeah, you need a whole lot of wealth, privilege
and a whole team behind you tolook like that.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
And I think what's even more like, devastating, is
when young teenage girls arelike going on these really
unhealthy diets to achieve thatbody type.
Because like and they're likerestricting like foods, like
there's so many diets, like theketo diet, like so many, and we
all know that they're not goodfor you, like they're they're
really unhealthy and like.
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The missing piece is that toachieve that body type, it's in
an unhealthy way, it's in adangerous way and they probably
also endured the effects ifthey're done that.
But they're just not sharingthat because they want to market
this body type that they've nowglorified.
It's their brand.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Yeah, I think what adds like to their brand and
like Tina such is that, likeKylie Jenner and her group are
like a popular group, the friendgroup right now, and like
especially on tiktok.
And if you like, look at all ofher friends, they all seem to
have similar body types and,like I mean, some of them have
out least outwardly, said like Ihave gotten surgeries, I have
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gotten these procedures done,but they're all to fit the same
Kardashian Jenner like figurethat they've been promoting.
So it's not only like just themthat they've been like in, like
in the family, promoting theirfriends are doing it to now.
And like it's just like theyhave followers.
They like each one of theminfluences different types of
communities, like her makeupartist is more in the makeup
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world and her friend is more inthe fashion world and like they
target like different intereststhat people follow and then,
collectively, we all just joinedinto this one trend.
So I think it's like arepetitive cycle of like.
Where do you, where does thetrend like stop within people
and like, how do you recognizethat it's like not okay to be
like or not it's?
It's okay to be different in away, and not everyone has to
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look the same.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Yeah, one of the funny great because it was so on
point tweets that I saw wassomebody being outraged over the
get up and do the work tweetand they said it.
They were in so enraged by itbecause it was their surgeon and
esthetician that got up and didthe work.
Like, so, like, so, like, stopwith this.
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Like false narrative.
One of the things that I wantto talk about is that social
media, which I know we've talkedabout previously, but it is all
about being presenting thisvery curated image of yourself,
and often the Kardashian posthave been exposed for being
heavily photoshopped, with fanspicking up on the clues that the
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picture has been edited.
Like you'll see some level ofdistortion in the background,
like oh, why is your wall likewobbly?
It has it's only become concavethan the back right, and I
think it's so good when weexpose that, because the
Kardashians are very diligent inmaintaining these manufactured
images that they're selling us.
So I want to break down a fewKardashian case studies, if you
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will.
So one of the ones that I cameacross was a report where Chloe
Kardashian was so embarrassed byan unauthorized picture of her
in a swimsuit that had nofilters that she launched legal
action in a bid to scrub it fromthe Internet.
And then, after theunauthorized photo was
mistakenly posted by anassistant earlier in the week,
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several social media accountsthat had posted this image where
, honestly, in the picture it'snot a bad picture like I thought
it was going to be like somehorrible thing.
It's just literally that it hasno filter.
So they I sent a bunch of legalaction to these accounts that
they were gonna take legalaction against them if they
didn't remove the picture.
So after backlash, chloe postedthat she felt the pressure of
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not ever feeling perfect enoughand told fans the pressure,
constant ridicule and judgmentmy entire life to be perfect and
meet other standards of how Ishould look has been too much to
bear.
When I take that criticism touse as a motivation to get
myself in the best shape of mylife, I am told that I couldn't
have done it through hard workand I must have paid for it all.
So again feeding that narrativethat I didn't pay for this, I
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like worked out.
No one's saying that you didn'twork out, but let's get more
into her statement.
So she continued by saying sheloves a good filter, good
lighting and an edit here andthere.
The same way I throw on somemakeup, get my nails done or
wear a pair of heels to presentmyself to the world the way I
want to be seen, it's exactlywhat I will continue to do,
unapologetically.
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She declared my body, my imageand how I choose to look, and
what I want to share is mychoice.
It's not for anyone to decideor judge what is acceptable or
not.
She added that she isn'tlooking for sympathy, but
instead to be acknowledged forbeing human.
She included a message to fanswho also feel the constant
pressure of not feeling perfectenough, telling them that they
are unique and perfect in theirown way and must no longer live
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life trying to fit in theperfect mold that others have
set.
And then, to top it off, sheshared several stripped down
videos showing off what heractual body looks like,
unretouched and unfiltered.
So I want to break that down abit, because I know there's a
lot of information there and Idon't know about you, but good
grief.
There were so many contradictory, hypocritical statements in
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what she said, so I want tohighlight it.
So I don't want to come acrossas I'm not being empathetic.
I am empathetic to the pain andinsecurity that Chloe admits
she faces.
But I think what's important tonote is that the Kardashian
family themselves havecontributed, if not created, the
beauty standard over the lasttwo decades through Photoshop,
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surgery and their wealth, likewe've been talking about.
And then one minute, she saysshe achieved it through hard
work.
And then she says she loves agood filter and edit.
So why are you still trying toplay this game of I exercise and
got this body?
Yes, like I said, she probablydoes work out a lot, but it's
not just exercise and diet thathas you looking that way.
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And then the video she postedafter to say like oh, look, this
is what my body actually lookslike.
Those videos which someone likeactually did a video on after
those videos were using filters.
People may not realize that youcan actually use filters in
videos.
And Kendall Jenner, who is likealready like she's a model, why
do you need to use a filter?
But she filtered her video.
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So she's continuing like she'salready trying to like push back
and say, no, this is who I amand I got this body through hard
work, but then you're using avideo with filters on it again,
like it's just so outrightlydeceptive, it's outrageous to me
.
So she's continuing this lie,ignoring the harm that she's
potentially causing to so manyimpressionable people.
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But then she wants to beacknowledged for being human.
So you want to be human, butyou want to be a manufactured
human using like.
I don't get it.
So I have empathy for her, butalso don't ignore your own
contribution and your family'sown contribution to the beauty
standards that people face andthe harm that you're causing
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just by that post in itself,like you're suing people because
you have an unfiltered photo ofyou in a swimsuit.
Like how ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
I don't think she realizes that.
You know how she spoke of, howthe pressure she was under when
she was younger and otherperfect body.
And now she is that perfectbody and she is imposing that
same pressure under youngergenerations and by spinning all
the sails of how she I'mguessing she worked hard, like
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there's no way you can have thatbody with help, put in some
effort into it right, but stillto assume that you didn't
actually use anything elsebesides, that they only work
hard, they only ate well, thatanybody can have this body If
only they work hard enough.
That is extremely harmful,especially when you yourself
have to use all these otherproducts and all these other
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means of getting this body rightand then coming out and saying
that all of that is lies andthen you're so hurt that other
people are calling you out on it.
It's not a good thing, becauseyou're just spinning more and
more lies and making more peoplefeel uncomfortable with
themselves.
We're thinking that way.
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We're thinking, you know, foronly being all this house.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
I think, going off like what you said about, like
projecting insecurities, aboutpointing out things that maybe
we wouldn't have noticed likebefore, like when Kylie Jenner
was talking about her lips andshe said that she felt like they
were small and she was made funof because of them, and then
she got the fillers in her lips,everyone started the duck
challenge, where they put liketheir lips into the little cap
(29:24):
and, like, people actually gotreally badly injured through
that and it just shows, likesometimes they like proclaim
about their insecurities thatmaybe people wouldn't have
noticed before, and it's OK totalk about your own insecurities
and what you feel, but I feellike it's done in a certain way
through them, where other peoplestart noticing it when they
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didn't have it before.
Like they start noticing allthese features that they're like
oh, maybe I should have thattoo.
That's what, like, everyoneelse is trying to achieve.
So, and I feel like it's alsodone through their like, through
their brands and through theirlike products, like you said,
like their waist trainers andthe lip products.
Like she started her wholeKylie cosmetics and her lip
products because she wanted shewanted to find that perfect lip
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liner that matched her lip sothat she could overline her lip
and so that she could show.
So it didn't like make adifference, but I feel like, and
then she started that throughthat insecurity, and then
everyone was like, ok, I need tofind that perfect lip color
than a TikTok trend where youcan find your perfect lip color
if you do this, and it just likestarts like this whole chain of
like, yeah, trying to find thisperfect ideal of yourself.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Yeah, and for many years as well.
She also blatantly lied whenpeople she said she was just
overlining her lips.
Yeah, no, you weren't.
And again, it's not to shamepeople, like if you want to do
that, like she could do whatevershe wants, but then don't lie,
because there's a bunch ofimpressional over 300 million
people that are following youthat are thinking, ok, well, if
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I just get the Kylie lip kit,I'm going to have Kylie's lips,
because I need to have that,because that's going to make me
beautiful.
You're basically exploitingpeople's insecurities to make
money and that's disgusting.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
It kind of makes me think about how the fact that
you said that in the way of likethem, making them making
themselves into the clothing,instead of making the clothing
fit them, it was making me think.
The fact that their bodies aretheir brand the Kardashian
family's their bodies are theirbrand and they can't afford to
have their brand be undermined.
(31:26):
So the way of people addressingthe fact that the way that
they're promoting the waythey've got their bodies is
unrealistic.
They can't afford people tofind cracks in this perfect
system that they've created forthemselves.
So it's kind of a cycle of justsecurities being projected onto
other people and money beinggained from projecting those
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insecurities onto other people.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Mm.
Hmm, there's this housewife, isit?
Somebody might know, bethanyFrankel?
Yeah, so I saw on her that shehad posted something on her
social media where she was kindof like showing her skin as it
is Right.
I mean recently in Canadiannews there was like the whole
(32:11):
thing with the news anchorbecause she has gray hair, right
.
So it's about like you're noteven allowed to age, you're not
allowed to like show your, yourtrue self, because you need to
fit into this standard of beauty.
But she was kind of like justhighlighting, like when she
posts certain things on hersocial media.
Sometimes she will have full onglam, but she will post it and
(32:32):
she will put like you know thatshe has glam on.
This is not like how shenormally looks, but then she
shows herself as she truly isRight and I think that again is
so like truthful and people canreally like resonate with that
because it makes you feel lessterrible about yourself.
Like I know what even some ofthese people, like the they're
here like for me my hair is likea lot thinner and like for
(32:55):
their hair I'm like good Lord,do they have good genes?
And it took me a while tofigure out.
Like no, there's just a wholelot of hair pieces in there,
right?
So there's so much of it whereyou do like, even as you're
older and it's not just foryoung girls, just people in
general where you you'recomparing yourselves to these
things that aren't, or to thesepeople, sorry, that aren't
actually themselves and they'renot admitting to having all
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these things done and saidthey're profiting from it.
Another Kardashian case study Iwanted to highlight and I know
Nicole brought it up before andI think Hania as well was when
Kim Kardashian posted aboutlosing 16 pounds in three weeks
to fit into that Marilyn Monroedress at the Met Gala and she
said if I was starving, becausethere was a lot of backlash.
And then so, of course, in herusual tone deaf manner, she says
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if I was starving and doing itreally unhealthy, I would say
that of course that's not a goodmessage, but I had a
nutritionist, I had a trainer.
I have never drunk more waterin my life.
Again, how out of touch can yoube?
Because healthy weight loss perweek, according to the Mayo
Clinic, is about one to twopounds.
It isn't over five pounds aweek.
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So that's not healthy.
And her comments are triggeringbecause, again, think of the
mass influence and people thatshe's reaching out to, people
that already have unhealthy bodyimage issues or have problems
with eating disorders.
She doesn't realize howtriggering or dangerous her
comments can be, because it setsa terrible example, and even
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after getting the criticism shecontinued to share recently
about reducing her body fatpercentage.
So this is where theintervention piece comes in.
Like, kim, please stop sharingthis nonsense, and I'm not just
saying for myself, I'm thinkingof all the girls that she's
harming with this nonsense,because when somebody decides to
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starve themselves by severelylimiting their calories because
this is what she says she coversit up in.
Well, I was eating clean veggiesand chicken and I drank a whole
lot of water In order to loseweight.
It all comes down to caloriedeficit, right?
So I'm gonna have a fewtomatoes and a whole bunch of
water because I wanna.
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Apparently, according to KimKardashian, that's healthy, but,
unlike you, they don't have anutritionist and they don't have
a trainer to make sure and letthem know.
Like hey, actually you'reharming your body right now.
So how tone deaf andirresponsible can you be?
Speaker 4 (35:24):
I know there was like previous where, like her
trainer is like they reallyfocus on, like what she wants to
focus on.
I know that they've mentionedbefore, like they didn't wanna
hire a trainer because suppose,if she wanted to I know this was
mentioned somewhere but like ifshe wanted to lose toe weight,
like the weight in between hertoes, like if a trainer was not
able to achieve that, like theydidn't want them hired.
(35:46):
It was mentioned on an episode,it was around those kind of
words, and I was like what?
Like I didn't know, toe weightwas a thing I didn't know.
There was weight between mytoes.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
I didn't know that mattered what.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
But apparently like you need to lose toe weight now.
But yeah, like I think thatthey're surrounded by like so
many like nutritionists andhealth, like they have a private
chef that'll cook these healthymeals for them and not
everyone's able to like affordall this stuff, but then, on top
of that, keep eating likeperfectly healthy, just chicken
(36:18):
and like metangies all the time.
Like it's really hard for somepeople in their daily lives to
like maintain this, and thenit's just heartening to like see
when people put in the effortand then they don't get the
results.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
I've never that's so interesting.
I've never heard of toe weight,but like that's where it
crosses the line for me.
Like don't come from my toes.
It's called a big toe for areason.
People, it's supposed to be big.
Like what the heck?
That's the most ridiculousthing.
Like not to make light of it,but like it just highlights how
ridiculous and unhealthy it is.
It's like basically attackingsimple, everyday body parts.
(36:50):
Like it's your toe.
Your toe is supposed to be yourtoe.
Like what is the exercise thatwe're gonna do now to make our
baby toe smaller?
Like ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
And regardless of how unhealthy the dye was that Kim
Kardashian went on.
She had the money to have anutritionist that watched over
her and made sure that she wasat least somewhat safe.
Regular people who have bodyimage issues don't have a
nutritionist who can give them adye that works for their body
(37:24):
or just make sure they're safeand alive, right.
So people are gonna try and dothe diets that Kim Kardashian
did.
They're gonna hurt themselvesreal bad and it's so tone deaf.
I don't even know if theyrealize the harm they're doing
to young girls.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah, I personally really hate when celebrities
share their like diet secrets orhow do you get that perfect
body of yours, because I feellike it's all curated to fit
their image.
Yeah, so somebody's a reallysupposed to be a down to earth
celebrity.
They'll be talking about how,oh, you know, I just have the
(38:05):
meal like everybody else does,or, you know, I'll just go on a
walk every once in a while.
And we know that thesecelebrities themselves, they
have to fit a certain box inorder to maintain the position
that they're in, to maintain thepopularity that they have.
And the way that it's just kindof it doesn't resonate with us
as well as it would withcelebrities between themselves.
(38:26):
Celebrities would understandfrom one celebrity to another
that, oh yeah, I know you hadyou lost that weight to fit into
that Marilyn Monroe dress,because you know you're gonna
get more likes on your goodpicture.
People are gonna be like, oh,that's Marilyn Monroe, wow,
you're gonna get more followingfrom all this thing.
So you're changing yourself tofit that image.
But people at home are gonnastart changing themselves to fit
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that image that you have foryourself.
And just celebrity diets ingeneral, I feel like they I'd
rather them, not share them.
I really would rather than notshare them, especially because,
even as a kid, there's so muchmedia that you see that can
affect the way you think.
Like even watching a TV show,you'll be like, oh, I kind of
(39:10):
want to eat that food that theTV show is talking about.
If a celebrity that you admireand look up to talks about their
diet and talks about how muchthey weigh, it can definitely
affect you, especially if you'rea growing kid just thinking, oh
, I'm like the same weight as acelebrity who's a grown adult,
but I don't look like them.
That mindset is just going toinspire a younger generation of
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people to have so manyinsecurities that they didn't
need to have.
And I really like it if, aspeople that have kids a lot of
the Kardashians, most of themactually have kids and I would
like it if they would thinkabout the impact of the things
they're doing, yeah, and how itwould affect their kids if their
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kids were to see them withoutthe whole glamour.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Yeah, because their kids are also going to be
exposed to these beautystandards and having to live up
to that right, and what's theeffect of that on them.
And like, one of the thingsthat I want to highlight as well
is, like, when they're alwayslike the celebrities that are
always talking about, likeyou're right, they always ask
them, like how do you look thisway?
What are you doing?
Or like as if we like nobodywants a tipper trick like from a
(40:25):
celebrity anymore, but, like,the latest thing that like
irritates me every time I see anew one is these beauty lines.
Everybody and their grandmotheris coming out with like a
beauty line, like with some sortof skin care line, about why
they have this amazing skin.
So, like JLo has one, haileyBieber has one, kylie has one,
(40:47):
there's a whole lot more, butthose are the ones that I'm
going to highlight for a second.
And like JLo, like I love JLo,I mean she's gorgeous.
However, and an interviewsomeone was like and even she
perpetuated it when she was likeselling her beauty line, her
skincare line.
She was like, everybody alwaysasks me what, like my beauty
(41:10):
secret is.
So this, I wanted to share itwith everyone.
Well, just logically speaking,that makes no sense, jlo,
because you just created thisbeauty line.
So clearly it's not what you'vebeen using for the last 15
years.
You've been using otherpeople's products.
So why are you coming out withthis thing?
Like, oh, this is, this is mybeauty secret and if you buy
this, you'll get my skin?
You just created it.
(41:30):
How could what you just createdbe the reason that you've had
this skin for the last 20 years?
Does that make sense logically?
No, so it's just like blatantconsumerism.
When you have this power, youknow it has this line.
With great power comes greatresponsibility.
You have great power with your1.4 billion followers.
Like, show some level ofresponsibility.
(41:51):
Like, have some level ofmorality and ethical thinking
where everything isn't about youtrying to make money.
You've made your money.
You have billions of dollars.
Like, stop preying on peopleand being outrightly deceitful
and deceptive and harming people.
As we come to the end of ourconversation and intervention, I
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want to kind of end off bytalking about beauty role models
and I want to be clear.
I want everyone to stop lookingat the Kardashians as beauty
role models.
There was a post recently whereKim was.
Someone exposed her for editingout her trapezius muscle, which
is around your neck andshoulders.
So, like, good grief, whatexercise or food can I eat to
(42:39):
get rid of my trapezius muscle?
Like, what will I do to get ridof that?
Like?
It's so illogical.
But it's important to exposethis.
That's why it's good when, like, all of these things are
highlighted and we're havingthese conversations, because
you're starting to break downthis facade that people are like
using to like comparethemselves to.
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Because, after the video wasreleased, some women admitted
that they were weirdly releasedby the photo editing revelation
because they had started tobecome self conscious of their
own normal body parts, such ashaving a neck muscle.
And someone also tweeted thiscrap is so damaging.
I'm an adult woman.
I know what Photoshop is.
I know that all of these socialmedia images are Photoshop, but
(43:22):
I would be lying if I didn'tadmit that when I see photos of
myself, this is exactly the kindof stuff I see on my own body
and think I'm so big.
And that's why because you'recomparing yourself against these
, to these images that are sohighly manufactured, and I can
say that as well as an olderlike and not old, but like a
more mature woman as well, whereyou look at these images and
(43:44):
then you have to stop for asecond and I have to break it
down, like, like, why isn't myhair like that, or why isn't
this like that?
Or my skin?
And when you see celebritieswhere their skin actually has
texture to it and it's not justlike flawless, there's no pores.
I understand that Jesus made meto have pores and I'm supposed
to have pores and they do too.
They're just hiding it, right.
(44:04):
So you have to sometimes take asecond and just like break it
down mentally in your own mindand be like wait, what am I
comparing myself to that I'mmaking myself feel badly about
right now.
Right, I can have thickerlooking here too, if I go like
put in a whole bunch of hairpieces, do I probably not?
Don't have the money, but alsodon't want to do it.
So it's so important to thinkof, like having a human body is
(44:27):
not a flaw, and I feel likeright now, it's like we're in
this war against our own bodies,almost, and there's absolutely
nothing wrong.
And having body parts like it'sridiculous for me to even say
that, but like she's editing andphotoshopping normal body parts
for like, it's so ridiculous.
And why, like, why are youdoing that?
Like you can do what you wantto do.
(44:47):
You want to do photoshop, youwant to do surgery, you want to
work out, you want to eathealthy, you want to do
treatments, do you?
But the thing is, where itbecomes a problem is when you're
like lying.
So the only thing is don't lie,because you're affecting a lot
of young girls to own your stuff.
Like be honest to people andsay, like you know what this is
me or this is what I've done, sothat you're mindful of the
(45:08):
impact that you're having andhow people are comparing
themselves to that, and justlike break it down for people.
One of the best tweets I sawwas someone who said I'm not
anti plastic surgery, I'm antibuild a body and then telling
young girls bold face lies abouthow you've obtained said body
through exercise and hard work.
It's just not true, so let'sexpose it.
(45:29):
Khloe Kardashian openly admittedto photoshopping her photos.
She said I'm going to keep ondoing it and she can do what she
wants, like I said.
But again, you're sending thisout to over 200 million people.
You're sending out that messageas well, and that image as well
, where they may not know thatthat is actually photoshopped.
But think of it.
(45:50):
Someone who has had all thiswork done is still not
comfortable with their image.
That they have to photoshopthat image after.
She's saying that she workedout so hard, right, so why don't
you want to showcase that inthis natural state?
Why do you want to put allthese filters over it?
And then you're upset whensomething goes out with you in
your natural state and thereisn't that filter.
That is not someone to rolemodel yourself after.
(46:11):
And if someone is that insecureabout their appearance and
they're still struggling with itafter all of these things that
they've done, don't look to thatperson to lead you or compare
yourself to.
Speaker 6 (46:22):
Just don't believe when you see in social media,
especially when it comes to thiskind of celebrities, a lot of
their pictures or videos arephotoshopped right, they use
filters, they use tons of makeup, they use tons of products that
we don't have access to likejust everyday people, right, and
when you compare, youinevitably, like most people,
(46:44):
are going to compare yourself tothem.
You have to know the standardsare not only unachievable, but
also med, with a lot of helpfrom the outside.
People aren't just born thisway and there's a lot of hard
work that goes into it, but alsoa lot of people that help these
individuals, whether it be withtheir makeup or editing their
(47:04):
videos, their photos, or plasticsurgeries.
So you have to make sure youknow that what you're seeing is
not necessarily what you wouldsee in real life.
Speaker 5 (47:15):
And also, adding on to that, you should also just
accept your body type andrecognize that everybody is
different and it's just how itis.
You don't need like there's noperfect body type in this world
and because beauty is reallysubjective, so it's basically
what you accept and what youthink it is.
(47:36):
And celebrities and influencerslike the Kardashians, when they
try to idolize a specific bodytype, they're only doing that to
market it or to gain somethingout of it.
So, whenever you see a socialmedia post, just don't think of
it as a truth.
Speaker 4 (47:55):
Recognize that that social media post has been
planned, photoshopped andcarefully put together in a way
to sell this image of thatcelebrity to you, and that's not
something that you shouldcompare yourself with, I think
to summarize what's already beensaid just finding out what
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works for you and what yourversion of healthy is, and
trying to be guided by suchposts that are, as was said was
marketed and strategicallyplanned to promote someone in
this body type that is just notalways achievable to everybody.
And just figuring out whatworks best for you and what you
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can do to promote your ownmental health in a way.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
I just say, the most important acceptance you need is
from yourself, because youcan't go looking into outside
sources in order to find peacewith the way that you are.
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
And you have to realize that you are enough.
And I know it can be verydemeaning when you hear the
Kardashian-Generes talk aboutthat.
They got their body.
That's some hard work and youknow you're putting in hard work
but you're not getting thatbody type.
But you have to know the workyou put in is enough and that
you are enough and you don'thave to rely on anyone other
(49:23):
than yourself to tell you thatyou're OK and you don't have to
have the slim, thick body typeor whatever body type will come
in the next 10 years.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Yeah yeah, body acceptance and body diversity is
so important and that's themessage that we need to be
putting forward not us alltrying to be clones of this
particular body type and lookthat's in style right now,
because your body isn'tsomething that should be a part
of a trend Like accept yourselffor who you are and you're
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beautiful as you are.
I really appreciate all of youjoining me to have this
intervention.
I really think it's soimportant because we need to
shine a light and expose theseunhealthy and unrealistic beauty
standards.
And, like I said, with greatpower comes great responsibility
, and I hope that theKardashians realize that with
(50:18):
their immense influence, theycan perpetuate great, immense
harm and they are by doing theseridiculous posts.
So use your power for good andnot to dupe people in order to
make you some money.
And beauty is an abstractconcept that has evolved through
time and will continue to so.
Just remember that trueconfidence doesn't come from how
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flat your stomach is or how bigyour lips or your booty is.
It comes from within.
And beauty is the opposite ofperfection, because we keep
hearing a lot of thesestatements having to do with
perfect.
It has nothing to do withperfect.
It's about beauty has to dowith your confidence and your
character.
So thank you all for being heretoday and for joining me.
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Thank you for having us.
Speaker 3 (51:03):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
Thank you.
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True beauty comes from beingyourself.
Music.
Hello everybody, this is Jerusha from Halton Women's
Place and you're listening tothe Learn to Love podcast.
This is a show that discussesall things relationships,
whether it's the relationshipyou have with yourself, your
friends, your family or aromantic partner.
We want all your relationshipsto be healthy.
Through the discussions we'llbe having, our goal is to give
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you the knowledge and tools youneed to learn to love better.
Today, I'm joined by an awesomeyouth panel featuring Nicole,
ratisha, lola, hania and Sarah,and we're having a much needed
Kardashian intervention.
Hi ladies, thanks for joiningme today.
Thank you for having us.
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So the topic on conversationwe're having today came up when
I saw a story in my newsfeedabout Kim Kardashian bragging
about her body fat percentageand also sharing yet again
unsolicited news about her doinga painful treatment to tighten
her stomach.
So this intervention is for theKardashians, on behalf of the
(01:03):
world.
I want you to please stop,because you are harming so many
people.
And the intervention is alsofor all of our listeners who are
negatively affected by thebeauty standards and ideals that
the Kardashians have beenselling for years.
So we really want to break thatdown through this conversation.
So, as they've been in thespotlight, the Karjana family
(01:26):
have been at the center ofdiscussion about celebrities
promoting unrealistic beautystandards.
The five sisters and their momas well they're all equally
guilty of posting these envyinducing photos to their social
media pages, which everyoneshould realize are carefully
curated to show them as flawless.
The Kardashians themselves haveeven spoken openly about using
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social media to propelthemselves and their brands.
I, before this conversation, Ijust went quickly on to Google
to look at how much followersthey have, and between the five
sisters and their mom, they haveaccumulated almost 1.4 billion
followers on Instagram combined,which is insane.
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So, from that perspective, bothKim and Kylie have over 300
million Instagram followers and,if we think about it, there are
only three countries with alarger population in the world
and 300 million, and that'sChina, india and the US.
So just think of that amount ofinfluence that they wield
through social media.
So I want to start off theconversation by asking how do
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you all think social media andthe Kardashians have really
influenced the ever changingstandards of beauty?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I mean, I've seen this topic trending on TikTok a
lot and I see a lot of argumentsthat it's not celebrities
responsibility to think abouttheir viewers.
But the thing is in the stateand age we are growing up with
social media, so everything wesee these celebrities do like
Kim Kardashian, kylie Jennerthey are influencing young girls
(03:05):
and telling them how theyshould live their lifestyle.
And I've seen them advertise alot of diet pills and with this
Marilyn Monroe dress, socialmedia really makes us think that
we have to.
It's hard to explain, but thatclothes are supposed to wear us
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and not the other way around.
And the fact that she lost somuch weight just to fit into
this Marilyn Monroe dress justmakes us think that clothes will
.
Fitting into clothes is allthat matters.
Like I used to struggle withbody image, like the issues, and
(03:48):
what really changed my mindsetwas that clothes aren't supposed
to wear us.
We're supposed to wear clothes,so it does not make a
difference If the clothes, if itdoesn't fit right, just size up
or size down.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
I think another thing that was really popular, like
trying to like change their bodyis like they're really popular
for like their workout videosand like trying to show how they
like eat healthy or like thesalads that they eat, and they
promote all this kind of stuff.
But like they also.
And then everyone gets soobsessed, thinking like, oh, if
this is working for, suppose,like Kendall Jenner, like she's
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a model and everyone wants tolike have that desired look, so
like they promote these, likeworkouts and everything they
don't like and it's just notlike resonating with people that
just because you do it doesn'tmean you're going to achieve the
same body type.
And I think, like with thedress, it's just like adding on
to that.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah, I think.
So they have this.
There's this phrase that I sawcalled the slim, thick figure.
So it's like you have this flatstomach and tiny waist but then
, like your other proportionsare not proportionate to what
that would look like.
So you have big boobs and ahuge booty and, like this
curvaceous waist and like people, that's, that is the figure and
(05:05):
that's the look right now.
That's the body ideal right now.
Right, but that actually is sounhealthy and actually also
unrealistic.
When you have a flat stomach,you don't end up tend to have,
like you know, the reallycurvaceous hips or the booty.
That's for somebody that tendsto be, you know, maybe a little
thicker, for example.
So them trying to say that thisis their natural body, which
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we'll talk about in a bit moredetail but like it's just
outrightly a lie and, likeNicole said, like, oh well, if
you just eat like us or exerciselike us, you can achieve this.
No, there's so much more intothat.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Yeah, I feel like there should be like some like
like pre boarding of like themjust saying like this is what
works for me and I'm justpromoting like healthy habits
for myself and for others andI'm just showing you how I do it
and what personally works forme, like you can totally try
this, but like not being likethis is the way to do it and
(06:03):
just saying like this is all andthen nothing else works.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
Right.
And then I think they say, likeit's not about that, fitness is
the goal.
It's more of like achievingthat body type.
Like, if they are promotingworkouts, it's a good thing,
right, because they're promotinglike healthy habits, as you
said, but then as soon as theyattach it to like the ideal body
type, that's when it becomesproblematic, because now we're
just losing weight or trying toachieve that for other people's
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pleasure rather than like ourown health.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And even speaking on the ideal body type, it's really
convoluted how it alwayschanges.
Like, say, less than 20 yearsago the ideal body type wasn't
slim, thick.
So today people have beencommenting on how the
Kardashians are reversing theirBBLs and sort of going back
towards the instead of the moreextreme features of, like very
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small waist and very large hips.
It would be reversing their BBL, kind of going back towards the
more traditional slim bodyideal that was more popular like
10 years ago.
So in the way of theminfluencing people to change
their bodies to such extremesand for them to be able to
easily reverse that, it's kindof deceptive in a way of them
(07:22):
saying this is the ideal andthen going back on their word
and changing the ideal foryourself and making other
people's follow suit.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yeah, I actually read something where it said that
the BBL which I didn't know whatthat was before, but the
Brazilian booty lift that thatwas one of the most reversed
procedures.
And it kind of shows because ifyou look throughout time what
the beauty standard is.
It's always changed, it'sevolved, right.
But now it's the big booty,small waist, right.
(07:57):
So when the big lips oh my gosh, don't get me started on these
lips like look so ridiculous.
But when that goes out of style, then are you going to like, oh
, let's all go to the doctor andlike, change our lips and
change this and that becausethis is a new trend.
Like, is your body supposed tobe a part of a trend?
I know, like a trend is like oh, you know we're going to get
(08:19):
some champion sweaters orwhatever, but like is your body?
You're going to keep contortingyour body to fit into a trend
and it's self is so unhealthy.
So in a reunion episode ofKeeping Up with the Kardashians,
the family was asked aboutcriticism that they promote an
unattainable level of beauty tothe public.
And my favorite, because it wasso cringy and outrageous, was
(08:42):
when Kendall Jenner her responsewas very like she's so like,
fervently believes the crap thatshe was about to say.
She was like we all reallyenjoy taking care of ourselves
and being healthy.
So I think, if anything, theonly thing we're really trying
to represent is just being themost healthy version of yourself
.
And then Kim Kardashian addedwe get up, we do the work, we
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work out.
And then she doubled down onthat stance although there was
like some backlash from it whenshe had an interview with Aler
magazine and they asked her ifshe feels responsible, or even
guilty, for setting anunrealistic or unattainable
beauty standard.
And then she says if I'm doingit, it's attainable.
(09:24):
I really genuinely care aboutlooking good.
I probably care more than 90%of the people on this planet.
It's not easy when you're a momand you're exhausted at the end
of the day, or you're in schooland I'm all of the above.
I do my beauty treatments,usually late at night, after
everyone's in bed.
I'm doing laser treatments.
Thoughts about this.
Speaker 6 (09:45):
I mean, is there really any way to say that?
How horrible is this?
Like we all know that she'sgetting her beauty, or, like I
believe, most of it.
Like we all know she does this,all the surgeries, all this
different treatments, and she'sso passionate about the way this
always works for her and howanybody can do it if they work
hard enough.
But the thing is not everybodyhas the same body type.
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Everybody's going to have thesame reactions to the surgery.
Surgery is this treatment andnot everybody can afford it.
And she is the way she isbecause she works so hard,
because she puts in the effort,she cares more than everybody
else.
She's so extremely hard forpeople who still care, who still
put in an effort and yet don'tget the same results.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
I think, going off of saying about affording things,
I remember that she was showinga treatment called the Vampire
Facial, where it's like you takethe platelets from your blood
and they spin it and then youonly extract some of it and it
goes back into your skin.
Like that's not a cheapprocedure or facial to get.
So I don't see how, like sayingthat, oh, this is so easy and
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it works and it's beneficial,like you can't promote something
to like a very wide group ofpublic and say you should try it
when not everyone's able toafford it.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
And I think it's not just about like, if everybody,
if it's going to work oneverybody, but also like, why
should everybody try it in thefirst place?
Right, if you've chosen thatfor your body, then like okay,
but then that doesn't mean youhave to encourage other people
to do that as well.
Right, because, like no,everybody's bodies is different.
Right, we don't change ourbodies to look like something.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
I can argue that some people do need, not need, but
some people would like to getthe surgeries where there's,
like body comfort and surgeriesand all of that.
The problem is when youidealize this exactly body type
and encourage others to do allthis really expensive procedures
, and make them believe thattheir bodies are not enough.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
And you know what, if you look at the first season of
the Kardashians and look atthem now, you can see a
transformation in each and everysingle one of them and some, a
lot of what they do is sodeceptive and outright deceitful
when they like to say thisthing about I've never had any
surgery.
There's a lot of proceduresthat you can have done that
technically aren't surgeries,but it is something that is
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altering your body or helpingyou to get the look that you're
trying to attain.
So it's not that we got olderand they just got older through
the years and now they look thatway Like sorry, their butts
didn't suddenly, like they wokeup one morning and there's a
whole other booty on top oftheir preexisting.
Like come on, let's berealistic here.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
I do know that there was an episode on Keeping Up
where they were, like, takingx-rays to prove that Kim doesn't
have like the transplants orlike in her butt, and I was just
thinking about how, like, howmuch people were obsessing over
the fact that, about theirbodies, that they had to prove
and take an x-ray in order to,like, stop these rumors.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah, and, by the way , can I just say that Kim
Kardashian isn't the firstperson or before that it was JLo
like they're.
Everybody was obsessed withthat.
They're not the first people tohave big booties, and I feel
like that is almost like anappropriation of other body
types that before were made funof for looking that way, like
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the big lips, for example.
So let's just highlight that aswell.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, can I?
I wanted to talk about thisjust for a short amount of time.
When I used to watch TV early,early 2000s I guess, maybe like
when I was five or so, on YTV orDisney Channel, I'd watch a TV
show and there I think maybefive times I heard this line on
five separate TV shows.
A character would be putting onjeans and be like, do these
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pants make my butt look big?
And they'd say it in a negativeway.
Yeah, and I do know that a lotof this like fear towards having
a more crevacious body typearound that time was kind of a
little bit rooted in racism,because people would perceive
having larger features as beingmore unnatural, more exotic,
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more different, and it'sinteresting to see how that's
changed over time.
But even then, the reason thatit's changed isn't because of
these people that a lot ofpeople would attribute those
features to.
It's because people have takenthose features and have made
them something kind of contortedthem, something that they can
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monetize and something that theycan profit off of without
having the lived experiences ofsomebody who had those features
for most of their life.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
Yeah, yeah, and I think we can also like just say
that these, like having largerlike body parts, is not wrong,
like it's, there's nothing wrong, like you can't have a wrong
body, right.
It's just that we're idolizingthis body type for every like
single person.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Which is wrong.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
Right, because we all have different body types, feel
like there's difference ingenes.
It's so like when we'reimposing one body type on
everyone, that's what's wrong,but like having that body type
in itself there's nothing, butyeah.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
And I love adding on, and adding on to.
That's not only wrong to imposeone specific body type.
What's wrong to Market, markethow we supposed to get there,
and unhealthy ways where you'repromoting Dieting, unhealthy
workout culture and just thingsthat are really harmful to your
body, just to get that body type.
(15:23):
It's just not worth it.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yep, it like infuriates me how like tone deaf
they are, but I don't know ifit's tone deaf because are you
actually?
Maybe they are just that likeblind that they actually believe
the garbage that they're saying?
Because, like when they'resaying, oh, we get up and we do
the work, like are you actuallyseriously saying that?
Because how can you say thatwhen you have such privileged
(15:46):
lives?
And also it's just notrealistic like anybody else.
When you say that's common,like when Kendall and Kim said
that Anybody else who's a normalhuman being and has like a rib
cage and your face isn'tperfectly symmetrical Maybe my
eye is a little different or myeyebrow or whatever it makes you
feel like you're a loser,although we shouldn't feel that
way.
But it makes you feel like,well, I'm not beautiful or I
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can't look that way, when we allknow that that is not how they
look naturally, like we have thereceipts, go back to 2000 and
whatever, when they started intheir first Season, right, and
also it's unattainable, becauseNicole brought it up.
It's also unaffordable.
Like don't try to act.
Like okay, well, you know, justgo do some squats and go eat
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like salads every day and you'regonna look like that.
You're not.
So again, you're doing adisservice to people and you're
harming your 1.4 billionfollowers who are, like May or
may not be believing and tryingto emulate these standards that
you're setting.
And I think Kylie Jenner is aperfect example of what that
pressure looks like.
She started doing stuff toherself at such a young age.
(16:51):
When we look at Kylie, at thevery beginning she had thinner
lips.
Nothing was wrong with that andthis is no meant, no way meant
to be Shaming them, but it'sjust a call out like facts and
expose, like this brand andproduct that they're trying to
sell people and are harmingpeople with, because there's a
lot that you can do.
That isn't considered surgery,but the audacity to say that we
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get up and we do the work likeyou just need to stop with that,
because there's so many girlsself-esteem that you're
affecting between the filtersand the lighting and the hair
and makeup team, and then someof these like procedures that
they're doing.
Whether they want to label itas surgery or not, surgery or
whatever is a technical terms.
You can see a transformation inall of them.
(17:35):
I remember back in the 80s whenCindy Crawford was the standard
of beauty right.
Young girls were trying toemulate her.
But then she came out and saidI wish I looked like Cindy
Crawford when I wake up in themorning, because I don't.
And that can be so freeing topeople, then trying to sell this
folks concept like if you buythis product and if you do this
like you can look like me.
(17:55):
So what Cindy Crawford did wasshe took a magazine cover that
they did of her and she showedhow she showed up in the morning
and then she talked about likeAll the tricks and things that
they did to like make her looklike that, so the hair and the
makeup, and then even that doingtricks to make her boobs look
bigger, and then, after all ofthat, they use technology to
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give her a waist and Photoshopthe image even more.
And that can be that truth canbe so freeing to people, because
then you come to see it's likea marketing ploy and what am I
actually comparing myselfagainst a unicorn that doesn't
exist?
Like it can be so liberatingfor people.
So I want to get to what's themissing piece here?
Because we know that they haveimmense cultural power and
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social media presence andthey've used that power to
glorify and normalize everydayairbrush perfection which, like
we've been saying, is thatthey're saying oh, it's because
of eating healthy and workingout daily.
Chloe loves to do that, likehighlight, and I have no doubt,
chloe, that you're in the gym,you're working out hard, you're
doing it great, but that's notthe only thing that has you
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looking that way.
Let's be real.
So, essentially, they areperpetuating this idea that if
their fans or followers followthe same thing or buy their
products Eat healthy or exercisethat they could achieve the
same results.
But Also buy their waisttrainers and their lip liners
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and their vitamins, and if youjust live a push lifestyle,
you'll look like them.
So what's the missing piecethat we're leaving out out of
this narrative of theKardashians being the beauty
standard?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
They have everything that they need to get the way
that they are, and a lot ofpeople don't have personal
trainers 24, seven personalchefs, plastic surgeons on call.
You know, not a lot of peoplehave that resource available to
them to craft a Idealizedversion of themselves and, as a
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result, it can lead them to dodangerous things.
You know plastic surgery, inparticular PBLs.
They're really dangerous If youget them at Less Certified
places or if you travel to getthem.
I know a lot of people who'vepassed away because of botched
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Plastic surgeries, and it's it'sharmful for them to perpetuate
this behavior, while also sayingthat everyone can get it.
It's a very privileged point ofview for them to say that
Getting the perfect body is aseasy as XYZ, when you're going
to need so much Monetary backingin order to even begin that
(20:38):
journey.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
It's yeah, you need a whole lot of wealth, privilege
and a whole team behind you tolook like that.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
And I think what's even more like, devastating, is
when young teenage girls arelike going on these really
unhealthy diets to achieve thatbody type.
Because like and they're likerestricting like foods, like
there's so many diets, like theketo diet, like so many, and we
all know that they're not goodfor you, like they're they're
really unhealthy and like.
(21:06):
The missing piece is that toachieve that body type, it's in
an unhealthy way, it's in adangerous way and they probably
also endured the effects ifthey're done that.
But they're just not sharingthat because they want to market
this body type that they've nowglorified.
It's their brand.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Yeah, I think what adds like to their brand and
like Tina such is that, likeKylie Jenner and her group are
like a popular group, the friendgroup right now, and like
especially on tiktok.
And if you like, look at all ofher friends, they all seem to
have similar body types and,like I mean, some of them have
out least outwardly, said like Ihave gotten surgeries, I have
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gotten these procedures done,but they're all to fit the same
Kardashian Jenner like figurethat they've been promoting.
So it's not only like just themthat they've been like in, like
in the family, promoting theirfriends are doing it to now.
And like it's just like theyhave followers.
They like each one of theminfluences different types of
communities, like her makeupartist is more in the makeup
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world and her friend is more inthe fashion world and like they
target like different intereststhat people follow and then,
collectively, we all just joinedinto this one trend.
So I think it's like arepetitive cycle of like.
Where do you, where does thetrend like stop within people
and like, how do you recognizethat it's like not okay to be
like or not it's?
It's okay to be different in away, and not everyone has to
(22:30):
look the same.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Yeah, one of the funny great because it was so on
point tweets that I saw wassomebody being outraged over the
get up and do the work tweetand they said it.
They were in so enraged by itbecause it was their surgeon and
esthetician that got up and didthe work.
Like, so, like, so, like, stopwith this.
(22:55):
Like false narrative.
One of the things that I wantto talk about is that social
media, which I know we've talkedabout previously, but it is all
about being presenting thisvery curated image of yourself,
and often the Kardashian posthave been exposed for being
heavily photoshopped, with fanspicking up on the clues that the
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picture has been edited.
Like you'll see some level ofdistortion in the background,
like oh, why is your wall likewobbly?
It has it's only become concavethan the back right, and I
think it's so good when weexpose that, because the
Kardashians are very diligent inmaintaining these manufactured
images that they're selling us.
So I want to break down a fewKardashian case studies, if you
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will.
So one of the ones that I cameacross was a report where Chloe
Kardashian was so embarrassed byan unauthorized picture of her
in a swimsuit that had nofilters that she launched legal
action in a bid to scrub it fromthe Internet.
And then, after theunauthorized photo was
mistakenly posted by anassistant earlier in the week,
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several social media accountsthat had posted this image where
, honestly, in the picture it'snot a bad picture like I thought
it was going to be like somehorrible thing.
It's just literally that it hasno filter.
So they I sent a bunch of legalaction to these accounts that
they were gonna take legalaction against them if they
didn't remove the picture.
So after backlash, chloe postedthat she felt the pressure of
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not ever feeling perfect enoughand told fans the pressure,
constant ridicule and judgmentmy entire life to be perfect and
meet other standards of how Ishould look has been too much to
bear.
When I take that criticism touse as a motivation to get
myself in the best shape of mylife, I am told that I couldn't
have done it through hard workand I must have paid for it all.
So again feeding that narrativethat I didn't pay for this, I
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like worked out.
No one's saying that you didn'twork out, but let's get more
into her statement.
So she continued by saying sheloves a good filter, good
lighting and an edit here andthere.
The same way I throw on somemakeup, get my nails done or
wear a pair of heels to presentmyself to the world the way I
want to be seen, it's exactlywhat I will continue to do,
unapologetically.
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She declared my body, my imageand how I choose to look, and
what I want to share is mychoice.
It's not for anyone to decideor judge what is acceptable or
not.
She added that she isn'tlooking for sympathy, but
instead to be acknowledged forbeing human.
She included a message to fanswho also feel the constant
pressure of not feeling perfectenough, telling them that they
are unique and perfect in theirown way and must no longer live
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life trying to fit in theperfect mold that others have
set.
And then, to top it off, sheshared several stripped down
videos showing off what heractual body looks like,
unretouched and unfiltered.
So I want to break that down abit, because I know there's a
lot of information there and Idon't know about you, but good
grief.
There were so many contradictory, hypocritical statements in
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what she said, so I want tohighlight it.
So I don't want to come acrossas I'm not being empathetic.
I am empathetic to the pain andinsecurity that Chloe admits
she faces.
But I think what's important tonote is that the Kardashian
family themselves havecontributed, if not created, the
beauty standard over the lasttwo decades through Photoshop,
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surgery and their wealth, likewe've been talking about.
And then one minute, she saysshe achieved it through hard
work.
And then she says she loves agood filter and edit.
So why are you still trying toplay this game of I exercise and
got this body?
Yes, like I said, she probablydoes work out a lot, but it's
not just exercise and diet thathas you looking that way.
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And then the video she postedafter to say like oh, look, this
is what my body actually lookslike.
Those videos which someone likeactually did a video on after
those videos were using filters.
People may not realize that youcan actually use filters in
videos.
And Kendall Jenner, who is likealready like she's a model, why
do you need to use a filter?
But she filtered her video.
(26:59):
So she's continuing like she'salready trying to like push back
and say, no, this is who I amand I got this body through hard
work, but then you're using avideo with filters on it again,
like it's just so outrightlydeceptive, it's outrageous to me
.
So she's continuing this lie,ignoring the harm that she's
potentially causing to so manyimpressionable people.
(27:20):
But then she wants to beacknowledged for being human.
So you want to be human, butyou want to be a manufactured
human using like.
I don't get it.
So I have empathy for her, butalso don't ignore your own
contribution and your family'sown contribution to the beauty
standards that people face andthe harm that you're causing
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just by that post in itself,like you're suing people because
you have an unfiltered photo ofyou in a swimsuit.
Like how ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
I don't think she realizes that.
You know how she spoke of, howthe pressure she was under when
she was younger and otherperfect body.
And now she is that perfectbody and she is imposing that
same pressure under youngergenerations and by spinning all
the sails of how she I'mguessing she worked hard, like
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there's no way you can have thatbody with help, put in some
effort into it right, but stillto assume that you didn't
actually use anything elsebesides, that they only work
hard, they only ate well, thatanybody can have this body If
only they work hard enough.
That is extremely harmful,especially when you yourself
have to use all these otherproducts and all these other
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means of getting this body rightand then coming out and saying
that all of that is lies andthen you're so hurt that other
people are calling you out on it.
It's not a good thing, becauseyou're just spinning more and
more lies and making more peoplefeel uncomfortable with
themselves.
We're thinking that way.
(28:56):
We're thinking, you know, foronly being all this house.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
I think, going off like what you said about, like
projecting insecurities, aboutpointing out things that maybe
we wouldn't have noticed likebefore, like when Kylie Jenner
was talking about her lips andshe said that she felt like they
were small and she was made funof because of them, and then
she got the fillers in her lips,everyone started the duck
challenge, where they put liketheir lips into the little cap
(29:24):
and, like, people actually gotreally badly injured through
that and it just shows, likesometimes they like proclaim
about their insecurities thatmaybe people wouldn't have
noticed before, and it's OK totalk about your own insecurities
and what you feel, but I feellike it's done in a certain way
through them, where other peoplestart noticing it when they
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didn't have it before.
Like they start noticing allthese features that they're like
oh, maybe I should have thattoo.
That's what, like, everyoneelse is trying to achieve.
So, and I feel like it's alsodone through their like, through
their brands and through theirlike products, like you said,
like their waist trainers andthe lip products.
Like she started her wholeKylie cosmetics and her lip
products because she wanted shewanted to find that perfect lip
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liner that matched her lip sothat she could overline her lip
and so that she could show.
So it didn't like make adifference, but I feel like, and
then she started that throughthat insecurity, and then
everyone was like, ok, I need tofind that perfect lip color
than a TikTok trend where youcan find your perfect lip color
if you do this, and it just likestarts like this whole chain of
like, yeah, trying to find thisperfect ideal of yourself.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Yeah, and for many years as well.
She also blatantly lied whenpeople she said she was just
overlining her lips.
Yeah, no, you weren't.
And again, it's not to shamepeople, like if you want to do
that, like she could do whatevershe wants, but then don't lie,
because there's a bunch ofimpressional over 300 million
people that are following youthat are thinking, ok, well, if
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I just get the Kylie lip kit,I'm going to have Kylie's lips,
because I need to have that,because that's going to make me
beautiful.
You're basically exploitingpeople's insecurities to make
money and that's disgusting.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
It kind of makes me think about how the fact that
you said that in the way of likethem, making them making
themselves into the clothing,instead of making the clothing
fit them, it was making me think.
The fact that their bodies aretheir brand the Kardashian
family's their bodies are theirbrand and they can't afford to
have their brand be undermined.
(31:26):
So the way of people addressingthe fact that the way that
they're promoting the waythey've got their bodies is
unrealistic.
They can't afford people tofind cracks in this perfect
system that they've created forthemselves.
So it's kind of a cycle of justsecurities being projected onto
other people and money beinggained from projecting those
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insecurities onto other people.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Mm.
Hmm, there's this housewife, isit?
Somebody might know, bethanyFrankel?
Yeah, so I saw on her that shehad posted something on her
social media where she was kindof like showing her skin as it
is Right.
I mean recently in Canadiannews there was like the whole
(32:11):
thing with the news anchorbecause she has gray hair, right
.
So it's about like you're noteven allowed to age, you're not
allowed to like show your, yourtrue self, because you need to
fit into this standard of beauty.
But she was kind of like justhighlighting, like when she
posts certain things on hersocial media.
Sometimes she will have full onglam, but she will post it and
(32:32):
she will put like you know thatshe has glam on.
This is not like how shenormally looks, but then she
shows herself as she truly isRight and I think that again is
so like truthful and people canreally like resonate with that
because it makes you feel lessterrible about yourself.
Like I know what even some ofthese people, like the they're
here like for me my hair is likea lot thinner and like for
(32:55):
their hair I'm like good Lord,do they have good genes?
And it took me a while tofigure out.
Like no, there's just a wholelot of hair pieces in there,
right?
So there's so much of it whereyou do like, even as you're
older and it's not just foryoung girls, just people in
general where you you'recomparing yourselves to these
things that aren't, or to thesepeople, sorry, that aren't
actually themselves and they'renot admitting to having all
(33:19):
these things done and saidthey're profiting from it.
Another Kardashian case study Iwanted to highlight and I know
Nicole brought it up before andI think Hania as well was when
Kim Kardashian posted aboutlosing 16 pounds in three weeks
to fit into that Marilyn Monroedress at the Met Gala and she
said if I was starving, becausethere was a lot of backlash.
And then so, of course, in herusual tone deaf manner, she says
(33:42):
if I was starving and doing itreally unhealthy, I would say
that of course that's not a goodmessage, but I had a
nutritionist, I had a trainer.
I have never drunk more waterin my life.
Again, how out of touch can yoube?
Because healthy weight loss perweek, according to the Mayo
Clinic, is about one to twopounds.
It isn't over five pounds aweek.
(34:03):
So that's not healthy.
And her comments are triggeringbecause, again, think of the
mass influence and people thatshe's reaching out to, people
that already have unhealthy bodyimage issues or have problems
with eating disorders.
She doesn't realize howtriggering or dangerous her
comments can be, because it setsa terrible example, and even
(34:25):
after getting the criticism shecontinued to share recently
about reducing her body fatpercentage.
So this is where theintervention piece comes in.
Like, kim, please stop sharingthis nonsense, and I'm not just
saying for myself, I'm thinkingof all the girls that she's
harming with this nonsense,because when somebody decides to
(34:48):
starve themselves by severelylimiting their calories because
this is what she says she coversit up in.
Well, I was eating clean veggiesand chicken and I drank a whole
lot of water In order to loseweight.
It all comes down to caloriedeficit, right?
So I'm gonna have a fewtomatoes and a whole bunch of
water because I wanna.
(35:08):
Apparently, according to KimKardashian, that's healthy, but,
unlike you, they don't have anutritionist and they don't have
a trainer to make sure and letthem know.
Like hey, actually you'reharming your body right now.
So how tone deaf andirresponsible can you be?
Speaker 4 (35:24):
I know there was like previous where, like her
trainer is like they reallyfocus on, like what she wants to
focus on.
I know that they've mentionedbefore, like they didn't wanna
hire a trainer because suppose,if she wanted to I know this was
mentioned somewhere but like ifshe wanted to lose toe weight,
like the weight in between hertoes, like if a trainer was not
able to achieve that, like theydidn't want them hired.
(35:46):
It was mentioned on an episode,it was around those kind of
words, and I was like what?
Like I didn't know, toe weightwas a thing I didn't know.
There was weight between mytoes.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
I didn't know that mattered what.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
But apparently like you need to lose toe weight now.
But yeah, like I think thatthey're surrounded by like so
many like nutritionists andhealth, like they have a private
chef that'll cook these healthymeals for them and not
everyone's able to like affordall this stuff, but then, on top
of that, keep eating likeperfectly healthy, just chicken
(36:18):
and like metangies all the time.
Like it's really hard for somepeople in their daily lives to
like maintain this, and thenit's just heartening to like see
when people put in the effortand then they don't get the
results.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
I've never that's so interesting.
I've never heard of toe weight,but like that's where it
crosses the line for me.
Like don't come from my toes.
It's called a big toe for areason.
People, it's supposed to be big.
Like what the heck?
That's the most ridiculousthing.
Like not to make light of it,but like it just highlights how
ridiculous and unhealthy it is.
It's like basically attackingsimple, everyday body parts.
(36:50):
Like it's your toe.
Your toe is supposed to be yourtoe.
Like what is the exercise thatwe're gonna do now to make our
baby toe smaller?
Like ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
And regardless of how unhealthy the dye was that Kim
Kardashian went on.
She had the money to have anutritionist that watched over
her and made sure that she wasat least somewhat safe.
Regular people who have bodyimage issues don't have a
nutritionist who can give them adye that works for their body
(37:24):
or just make sure they're safeand alive, right.
So people are gonna try and dothe diets that Kim Kardashian
did.
They're gonna hurt themselvesreal bad and it's so tone deaf.
I don't even know if theyrealize the harm they're doing
to young girls.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah, I personally really hate when celebrities
share their like diet secrets orhow do you get that perfect
body of yours, because I feellike it's all curated to fit
their image.
Yeah, so somebody's a reallysupposed to be a down to earth
celebrity.
They'll be talking about how,oh, you know, I just have the
(38:05):
meal like everybody else does,or, you know, I'll just go on a
walk every once in a while.
And we know that thesecelebrities themselves, they
have to fit a certain box inorder to maintain the position
that they're in, to maintain thepopularity that they have.
And the way that it's just kindof it doesn't resonate with us
as well as it would withcelebrities between themselves.
(38:26):
Celebrities would understandfrom one celebrity to another
that, oh yeah, I know you hadyou lost that weight to fit into
that Marilyn Monroe dress,because you know you're gonna
get more likes on your goodpicture.
People are gonna be like, oh,that's Marilyn Monroe, wow,
you're gonna get more followingfrom all this thing.
So you're changing yourself tofit that image.
But people at home are gonnastart changing themselves to fit
(38:48):
that image that you have foryourself.
And just celebrity diets ingeneral, I feel like they I'd
rather them, not share them.
I really would rather than notshare them, especially because,
even as a kid, there's so muchmedia that you see that can
affect the way you think.
Like even watching a TV show,you'll be like, oh, I kind of
(39:10):
want to eat that food that theTV show is talking about.
If a celebrity that you admireand look up to talks about their
diet and talks about how muchthey weigh, it can definitely
affect you, especially if you'rea growing kid just thinking, oh
, I'm like the same weight as acelebrity who's a grown adult,
but I don't look like them.
That mindset is just going toinspire a younger generation of
(39:36):
people to have so manyinsecurities that they didn't
need to have.
And I really like it if, aspeople that have kids a lot of
the Kardashians, most of themactually have kids and I would
like it if they would thinkabout the impact of the things
they're doing, yeah, and how itwould affect their kids if their
(39:57):
kids were to see them withoutthe whole glamour.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Yeah, because their kids are also going to be
exposed to these beautystandards and having to live up
to that right, and what's theeffect of that on them.
And like, one of the thingsthat I want to highlight as well
is, like, when they're alwayslike the celebrities that are
always talking about, likeyou're right, they always ask
them, like how do you look thisway?
What are you doing?
Or like as if we like nobodywants a tipper trick like from a
(40:25):
celebrity anymore, but, like,the latest thing that like
irritates me every time I see anew one is these beauty lines.
Everybody and their grandmotheris coming out with like a
beauty line, like with some sortof skin care line, about why
they have this amazing skin.
So, like JLo has one, haileyBieber has one, kylie has one,
(40:47):
there's a whole lot more, butthose are the ones that I'm
going to highlight for a second.
And like JLo, like I love JLo,I mean she's gorgeous.
However, and an interviewsomeone was like and even she
perpetuated it when she was likeselling her beauty line, her
skincare line.
She was like, everybody alwaysasks me what, like my beauty
(41:10):
secret is.
So this, I wanted to share itwith everyone.
Well, just logically speaking,that makes no sense, jlo,
because you just created thisbeauty line.
So clearly it's not what you'vebeen using for the last 15
years.
You've been using otherpeople's products.
So why are you coming out withthis thing?
Like, oh, this is, this is mybeauty secret and if you buy
this, you'll get my skin?
You just created it.
(41:30):
How could what you just createdbe the reason that you've had
this skin for the last 20 years?
Does that make sense logically?
No, so it's just like blatantconsumerism.
When you have this power, youknow it has this line.
With great power comes greatresponsibility.
You have great power with your1.4 billion followers.
Like, show some level ofresponsibility.
(41:51):
Like, have some level ofmorality and ethical thinking
where everything isn't about youtrying to make money.
You've made your money.
You have billions of dollars.
Like, stop preying on peopleand being outrightly deceitful
and deceptive and harming people.
As we come to the end of ourconversation and intervention, I
(42:13):
want to kind of end off bytalking about beauty role models
and I want to be clear.
I want everyone to stop lookingat the Kardashians as beauty
role models.
There was a post recently whereKim was.
Someone exposed her for editingout her trapezius muscle, which
is around your neck andshoulders.
So, like, good grief, whatexercise or food can I eat to
(42:39):
get rid of my trapezius muscle?
Like, what will I do to get ridof that?
Like?
It's so illogical.
But it's important to exposethis.
That's why it's good when, like, all of these things are
highlighted and we're havingthese conversations, because
you're starting to break downthis facade that people are like
using to like comparethemselves to.
(43:00):
Because, after the video wasreleased, some women admitted
that they were weirdly releasedby the photo editing revelation
because they had started tobecome self conscious of their
own normal body parts, such ashaving a neck muscle.
And someone also tweeted thiscrap is so damaging.
I'm an adult woman.
I know what Photoshop is.
I know that all of these socialmedia images are Photoshop, but
(43:22):
I would be lying if I didn'tadmit that when I see photos of
myself, this is exactly the kindof stuff I see on my own body
and think I'm so big.
And that's why because you'recomparing yourself against these
, to these images that are sohighly manufactured, and I can
say that as well as an olderlike and not old, but like a
more mature woman as well, whereyou look at these images and
(43:44):
then you have to stop for asecond and I have to break it
down, like, like, why isn't myhair like that, or why isn't
this like that?
Or my skin?
And when you see celebritieswhere their skin actually has
texture to it and it's not justlike flawless, there's no pores.
I understand that Jesus made meto have pores and I'm supposed
to have pores and they do too.
They're just hiding it, right.
(44:04):
So you have to sometimes take asecond and just like break it
down mentally in your own mindand be like wait, what am I
comparing myself to that I'mmaking myself feel badly about
right now.
Right, I can have thickerlooking here too, if I go like
put in a whole bunch of hairpieces, do I probably not?
Don't have the money, but alsodon't want to do it.
So it's so important to thinkof, like having a human body is
(44:27):
not a flaw, and I feel likeright now, it's like we're in
this war against our own bodies,almost, and there's absolutely
nothing wrong.
And having body parts like it'sridiculous for me to even say
that, but like she's editing andphotoshopping normal body parts
for like, it's so ridiculous.
And why, like, why are youdoing that?
Like you can do what you wantto do.
(44:47):
You want to do photoshop, youwant to do surgery, you want to
work out, you want to eathealthy, you want to do
treatments, do you?
But the thing is, where itbecomes a problem is when you're
like lying.
So the only thing is don't lie,because you're affecting a lot
of young girls to own your stuff.
Like be honest to people andsay, like you know what this is
me or this is what I've done, sothat you're mindful of the
(45:08):
impact that you're having andhow people are comparing
themselves to that, and justlike break it down for people.
One of the best tweets I sawwas someone who said I'm not
anti plastic surgery, I'm antibuild a body and then telling
young girls bold face lies abouthow you've obtained said body
through exercise and hard work.
It's just not true, so let'sexpose it.
(45:29):
Khloe Kardashian openly admittedto photoshopping her photos.
She said I'm going to keep ondoing it and she can do what she
wants, like I said.
But again, you're sending thisout to over 200 million people.
You're sending out that messageas well, and that image as well
, where they may not know thatthat is actually photoshopped.
But think of it.
(45:50):
Someone who has had all thiswork done is still not
comfortable with their image.
That they have to photoshopthat image after.
She's saying that she workedout so hard, right, so why don't
you want to showcase that inthis natural state?
Why do you want to put allthese filters over it?
And then you're upset whensomething goes out with you in
your natural state and thereisn't that filter.
That is not someone to rolemodel yourself after.
(46:11):
And if someone is that insecureabout their appearance and
they're still struggling with itafter all of these things that
they've done, don't look to thatperson to lead you or compare
yourself to.
Speaker 6 (46:22):
Just don't believe when you see in social media,
especially when it comes to thiskind of celebrities, a lot of
their pictures or videos arephotoshopped right, they use
filters, they use tons of makeup, they use tons of products that
we don't have access to likejust everyday people, right, and
when you compare, youinevitably, like most people,
(46:44):
are going to compare yourself tothem.
You have to know the standardsare not only unachievable, but
also med, with a lot of helpfrom the outside.
People aren't just born thisway and there's a lot of hard
work that goes into it, but alsoa lot of people that help these
individuals, whether it be withtheir makeup or editing their
(47:04):
videos, their photos, or plasticsurgeries.
So you have to make sure youknow that what you're seeing is
not necessarily what you wouldsee in real life.
Speaker 5 (47:15):
And also, adding on to that, you should also just
accept your body type andrecognize that everybody is
different and it's just how itis.
You don't need like there's noperfect body type in this world
and because beauty is reallysubjective, so it's basically
what you accept and what youthink it is.
(47:36):
And celebrities and influencerslike the Kardashians, when they
try to idolize a specific bodytype, they're only doing that to
market it or to gain somethingout of it.
So, whenever you see a socialmedia post, just don't think of
it as a truth.
Speaker 4 (47:55):
Recognize that that social media post has been
planned, photoshopped andcarefully put together in a way
to sell this image of thatcelebrity to you, and that's not
something that you shouldcompare yourself with, I think
to summarize what's already beensaid just finding out what
(48:19):
works for you and what yourversion of healthy is, and
trying to be guided by suchposts that are, as was said was
marketed and strategicallyplanned to promote someone in
this body type that is just notalways achievable to everybody.
And just figuring out whatworks best for you and what you
(48:41):
can do to promote your ownmental health in a way.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
I just say, the most important acceptance you need is
from yourself, because youcan't go looking into outside
sources in order to find peacewith the way that you are.
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
And you have to realize that you are enough.
And I know it can be verydemeaning when you hear the
Kardashian-Generes talk aboutthat.
They got their body.
That's some hard work and youknow you're putting in hard work
but you're not getting thatbody type.
But you have to know the workyou put in is enough and that
you are enough and you don'thave to rely on anyone other
(49:23):
than yourself to tell you thatyou're OK and you don't have to
have the slim, thick body typeor whatever body type will come
in the next 10 years.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Yeah yeah, body acceptance and body diversity is
so important and that's themessage that we need to be
putting forward not us alltrying to be clones of this
particular body type and lookthat's in style right now,
because your body isn'tsomething that should be a part
of a trend Like accept yourselffor who you are and you're
(49:57):
beautiful as you are.
I really appreciate all of youjoining me to have this
intervention.
I really think it's soimportant because we need to
shine a light and expose theseunhealthy and unrealistic beauty
standards.
And, like I said, with greatpower comes great responsibility
, and I hope that theKardashians realize that with
(50:18):
their immense influence, theycan perpetuate great, immense
harm and they are by doing theseridiculous posts.
So use your power for good andnot to dupe people in order to
make you some money.
And beauty is an abstractconcept that has evolved through
time and will continue to so.
Just remember that trueconfidence doesn't come from how
(50:40):
flat your stomach is or how bigyour lips or your booty is.
It comes from within.
And beauty is the opposite ofperfection, because we keep
hearing a lot of thesestatements having to do with
perfect.
It has nothing to do withperfect.
It's about beauty has to dowith your confidence and your
character.
So thank you all for being heretoday and for joining me.
(51:01):
Thank you for having us.
Speaker 3 (51:03):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
Thank you.
Thanks for listening to Learnto Love.
If you enjoyed our episodetoday, make sure you subscribe
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Until next time, remember,beauty is not about looks,
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(51:25):
True beauty comes from beingyourself.
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