How Matt Wurnig Swiped Right Across America

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, Matt, throughout your time doing 50
dates, 50 states, what do youthink that has done to your
perception on dating?

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Oh, a lot, A lot.
Because when I first before 50dates, 50 states like I started
when I was 24.
And before then I probably wenton like maybe, maybe five dates
total, you know, from zero to24, you know, five dates total,
maybe.
And then I just took the bullby the horns and went on a ton

(00:30):
and so, but a ton because Ithink a lot of things for me,
like I learned oh, don't setexpectations going into a date
because it often leads todisappointment, and a lot of
people do that leads todisappointment, and a lot of
people do that.
Girls and guys, where they meetsomeone and then they creep
their insta profile and they'relike, oh, this person's gonna be
great, or the small interactionthey had with them before they
met or before they had a date,they like set this really high

(00:52):
standard and then it's like, ohwell, that didn't go like I
wanted or anything.
So you got to go into thingslike a lot more free range, easy
going, relaxed, being yourself,especially as a guy.
Guys try to put on this flexwith girls, like they are more
than they are and stuff.
It's like, what do you try?
She's going to see through thatat some point, like, if this
goes well and you guys continueto date, she's going to be like
wait, you are none of thesethings during the first, you

(01:15):
know, experience the phony guyyeah exactly Exactly that and,
um, I think, like you know, thebiggest thing is just, you know,
being confident.
girls love it when a guy'sconfident and, uh, I think,
making a girl comfortable.
It's crazy to hear the horrorstories I hear from some of my
dates and they're just like,yeah, this creepy guy or this
thing and it's like he liketurns them off from the whole
night, like they don't want tobe there anymore.

(01:36):
Because one sentence a guy says,or how he acts or his body
language is just like jeez.
You dudes need to chill alittle bit, you know, and just
make sure you make the girl feelcomfortable.
That's like half tothree-fourths.
The battle is like, you know,they're probably.
It's like almost like a new ornot news, a job interview.
It's like going into it.
It's like oh, like you could benervous, but like for them

(01:56):
they're probably way morenervous going into a date than a
guy is because guys can besketchy or creepy or weird.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
And get away with it.
Yeah, you know, and so that'sthe.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
You know, I've learned a lot of different
things when it comes to going ondates.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Well, I mean, when you think about it kind of, is
an interview Like?
It is like as root reason whyyou're there?
You're interviewing for apotential you know, lifelong
partner?
I mean I'm sure you get thisquestion all the time, obviously
, lifelong partner I mean I'msure you get this question all

(02:30):
the time, obviously do you catchfeelings for these girls.
But, deeper than that, do youthink that that dynamic makes it
harder to carry out afriendship with these people
long-term?
Or these interactions getstrange because they know that
this isn't a real thing, or youdid you understand what I'm
saying?

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah, A hundred percent.
Yeah, I'm picking up whatyou're putting down.
Um, it's uh for me and I likethis.
Yeah, yeah, 100%, I'm pickingup what you're putting down.
It's for me and I like this.
Some people might take thisgood or bad or positive or
negative, but I kind of get apass as being the 50 dates, 50
states.
Guy, I get to go on a date witha girl and it's very there's
not a lot of weight to it.
They're like, oh, this is fun.
He's like a content creator, hegoes on dates and he's like

(03:04):
leaving the next day and likethere's not this weight to it
that a normal date would bewhere.
It's like oh, a guy and a girl,you know, go to the same school
or they met in the grocerystore or they met at the bar or
wherever it is like and theylive in the same town.
me it's hey, it's high, and byit's almost more like a vacation
fling, yes yes, exactly rightand so Right and so, which

(03:25):
honestly I really enjoy, becausewhen I go on these dates,
there's not pressure Likethere's.
No, there's not.
How many kids do you want?
What do you want to do?
Like it's like not likesometimes that comes up and
that's fine, but there's notlike a weight to that question.
It's just like oh, we know I'mgoing to be here for a night and
I'm leaving tomorrow, so likecool, like we're just getting to
know each other and we'rehaving a fun time, and so that's

(03:46):
one thing I really like aboutit, because I feel like girls
open up a lot more to me thatway.
And there are things with whatI do that's different, like if I
have a cameraman filming, meand a girl on a date that's not
normal.
But one of my favorite things inthe world is when I'm on a date
and I have a cameraman with meand he's filming and they start
opening up and they forget thecameraman's there and they start

(04:07):
sharing some things that arereally deep or personal, and
then they go, oh my gosh, can wecut that, or can we?
and then of course, I'll be likeyes, like I'm not looking at to
expose them, for something orshare a story or get views off
of a you know, traumatic ordramatic story of theirs, but it
makes me feel so good becausethey were present and
comfortable with me enough toopen up and and forget about the
camera and so, uh, you knowit's, it just kind of depends.

(04:30):
But yeah, I think having a lotmore of a light-hearted
atmosphere going on these datesis is definitely nice, for sure.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yeah it makes complete sense.
You know, just to take the,it's like we're just trying to
have fun.
Yeah, you know, it's not likeyou're.
You're not going on these datesbeing like we're gonna fall in
love.
This is gonna last forever.
So I I totally agree.
One thing that I was reallycurious about is the whole
premise of the show is going onthese dates.
Do you find yourself beingpressured to not find a

(05:00):
significant other that you wantto be serious about because once
you have a girlfriend it's likehow you know, how do you go on
the dates?
Like I just figured?
That would be a struggle in itsown.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's a great question and I guess for
me, like uh, I get asked this aton by news and like when I've
been on uh different tvinterviews or things like that,
uh, where people are like, oh,like, well, what happens if you
fall in love or how do you notfall in love, type thing, and I,
I think people forget it's onedate like like it's like, but

(05:31):
like.
I think people forget thatbecause they like these reality
dating shows, they like that'skind of the goal of all of them
is to get married or have a wifeor a husband and fall in love.
And it's like no, I amsomewhere and I'm meeting this
person, with this person, withthis person for eight to 12
hours, you know, and it's likehigh and by.
So how can you find love whenyou're meeting so?

(05:54):
And like again, there's,there's girls I meet that are
awesome and I think that if Ilived in that state or area,
great, uh.
But you know, there's a kind ofa journey to accomplish and a
brand to fulfill of going on adate in each state.
And so I don't feel thepressure in that way when I
break it down for people likethat, because then they go oh, I
guess you're right a little bit.

(06:15):
But sometimes I feel thepressure of having an outcome, I
guess of some sort.
But that's the weird thing aboutmy brand is like okay, it's a
date in every state, but likewhat are you going to?
You're not going to marrysomeone at the end of the season
, you know, you could maybe havea girlfriend, but again, a
girlfriend after one date, likeagain, that's still.

(06:36):
That's not really thatauthentic or realistic and
that's one thing I really wantmy brand to be different about,
versus like the bachelor andthings like that, because the
bachelor that's just not I.
I would love to see this stat.
If anybody has this stat outthere, please comment it.
This would be awesome.
But uh, like I'd be so curioushow many past seasons of the

(06:56):
bachelor or bachelorbachelorette, how many of them
have actually got married, likein it's lasted?
I'm curious like they might getmarried, for you know the plot
of it right you know, notactually go through they split
up yeah, but I'm so curious inthe past like 10 to 15 seasons,
how many are actually togetherstill?
To this, yeah, I bet you maybein the last 15.
I bet you less than five likeout of both shows so 30 seasons

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between bachelor andbachelorette.
I bet you less than five.
And just because it's not arealistic way to oh, you're
going to marry someone that wasmacking on three other girls
like two weeks before, likethat's just that's not normal.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
That's a really good point, yeah, and part of it's
like this is not a normal way tolike get into that sort of
relationship with someone youdon't know everything.
That sort of relationship withsomeone you don't know
everything, like you might havea really cool banger first date,
but if you get married and thenyou realize that they like they
clip their toes over thekitchen sink and leave them you
know what I mean.
Like you don't see these redflags, 100 until later on

(07:54):
exactly well a first date.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
You are on your best performance, like the girl and
the guy.
You're kind of like you know,you're kind of putting yourself
out there and you're trying toperform your best, like we kind
of talked about being a jobinterview.
It's like you know, you're kindof putting yourself out there
and you're trying to performyour best, like we kind of
talked about being a jobinterview.
It's like you know, you'regoing up and you're showing up
and so you don't know all theflaws in the ins and outs,
because you want.
It's kind of like what theycall Instagram, like they call
Instagram your personalhighlight reel.

(08:16):
That's kind of how you are whenyou're on a date.
It's like you're trying to actyour best, be your best, and you
don't want them to see all thebad things or maybe your flaws
or red flags or things like that, until you guys get closer.
So first dates are nuts thatway.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Absolutely, and it goes off of the cliched thing
that everyone says is just beyourself.
But it couldn't be more true,because if you pretend to be
this guy, they're eventuallygoing to know who the fuck that
guy is.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
A hundred percent, no doubt it's just like.
Like.
That's why I never understoodwhy, guys, I've heard of this.
This blew my mind.
Someone, someone told me thatthey knew someone who, uh,
rented a vehicle, like rented asports car to pick a girl up in
to to pose it off, that it washis.
I'm like, what are you doing?
like you, if the worst idea yeah, if you know, I get it.

(09:01):
If you're just trying to, youknow, be a romeo or wheel and
deal or have a one night standor whatever you're trying to do,
even then I don't get it.
But I guess I understand itmore.
But still, it's just like whatare you doing, dude?
Just show up, do your thing.
Oh, it just makes no sense tome show up to the date.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
That that does blow my mind, but you know, this
makes uh, this makes a lot ofbusiness sense like what's the
roi on this?
Investment are you getting?

Speaker 2 (09:28):
what you need out of this.
Maybe it does stay in the night.
Is she cooking eggs in themorning then?
Then, damn right, that wasworth it.
That was worth the 300 an hourfor this lambo.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, yeah, that's exactly it so walk us through
the start of 50 dates, 50 stateslike States.
You had this idea.
You started in.
What 2020?

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, virtual dates yep, okay so virtual dates in
2020.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
How did you come up with this?
You're just like one day,you're like you know what?
I'm going to start going ondates with girls like this.
But where did the idea comefrom?

Speaker 2 (09:59):
COVID, definitely.
When COVID hit and I mean weall know when COVID hit we were
like what the hell is this?
And everybody was locked in.
Business is shut down.
Yeah, things are going to beweird.

(10:25):
For two weeks in the office,everything was shut down, and so
I hopped on Tinder, as a boredsingle bachelor would do, and it
said a notification popped upand it said that you could place
your location anywhere in theUS for free.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
And I'm like.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Oh well, that's kind of fun.
And so I started placing it in,like you know, la, miami, new
York, dallas, the big cities.
And when I started gettingmatches with a bunch of these
gals I was like, okay, well,this is cool, but if anything,
it was just a confidence boosterbecause I couldn't take them on
dates or do anything.
And so I realized Zoom was onthe rise and I'm like, okay,

(10:52):
what if I went on a virtual datewith a girl in a receipt?
That sounds kind of interestingand a fun pandemic project.
And also I like to entertain.
And the world was so negative.
Then you guys remember, likeCOVID death, everything you saw
on media or news, covid deathrates, where it was spreading.
Things started getting reallypolitical and it's just like, oh
my gosh, like how can I turnpeople's attention away from

(11:14):
that, maybe, and do something alot more lighthearted and
entertaining, on a virtual datewith a girl in every state.
And I had no, no clue what thefuck I was doing.
Uh, when it came to postingstuff on social media like I had
no idea.
I just like was I was recordingall my dates on zoom and I would
just like put out little clips,uh, on social media and then

(11:36):
all of a sudden it startedreally gaining attraction and
I'm like, oh shit, like there'ssomething here this and I always
knew it was.
I thought it was a good ideaand it got like great response
when I put it out there and kindof announced what I was doing.
I got a news interview the nextday, like after I announced it
and so, just like a lot ofpeople, I got nothing but
positive feedback and somethingpeople were fascinated in, and

(12:00):
so that was kind of the originstory of it.
Obviously I can share about howit went with season one and
season two, but uh, yeah, thatwas kind of the origin story.
Just putting out clips going ondates, I cannot believe,
looking back, what I would go onthree or four virtual dates a
night.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
And so it was so funny boys.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
It was hilarious.
I'd literally sit there and I'dbe on a date with a girl, you
know, just meeting this girlover the computer from like
Kansasansas, and then I'd belike, hey, like it's been great,
but I actually got to go.
I have a date with a girl inidaho.
And then she'd be like, okay,like they knew, they knew what
was going on, and they just like, okay, and then I'd hang up and
then I'd jump on the call withidaho and then, and then I'd be
like, okay, I gotta go.
I got a date with california,like, and I did that like three

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or four dates a night, which isso funny to think about.
You know, so.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
That's hilarious.
So now, when so was all ofseason one virtual.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
So no, I kind of combined two things into one for
season one All the virtualdates, all the girls I went on
virtual dates with.
I decided to go meet them all inperson and so I kind of
consider all of that season onebetween the virtual dates and
then going to meet them all inperson when I quit my job, hit
the road, visit them all inperson, and then season two,
completely new dates, this timegirls applied.

(13:11):
And then I got a new vehiclecameraman management team,
editor, things like that, andreally took it to a new level.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Dude.
What is that process like, whenyou know, especially someone
like you said yourself, you onlyhad five dates leading up to it
when you're looking forapplications and there's just
thousands of them rolling inthat had to?

Speaker 2 (13:32):
be a little bit of an ego boost.
I can only assume, dude, it was.
It was so funny like season two, because season one, how I got
all my dates, was through tinder, during the pandemic was, you
know, placing my location, allthese spots.
And then I started meeting somegirls through social media when
I it started rolling a littlebit.
Uh so, between social media andTinder was how I met my date
season one.
But season two, like youmentioned, when I had girls
apply and then the dateapplications and we had, we had

(13:54):
over 10,000 applications in lessthan two months, so basically
10,000 women applying to go on adate with me.
Oh, I was like comma on gee,dude, I'm like, oh yeah, it made
me feel so cool and so good.
You know I was like this isawesome, right, and it was so
much less stressful that waywhere I just had to, like, go
through applications, and it wasso funny because I'd catch

(14:17):
myself sometimes complaining.
I'd be like, oh my gosh, I like.
I've spent three hours goingthrough at like Alabamaabama's
applications and then I'd stopand I'd be like, all right, matt
, you need to shut the fuck uplike I'm like I am literally
shuffling through women that Iget to choose to go on a date
with in each state like it'slike dream tinder, yeah, yeah,

(14:37):
exactly where it's likeunlimited likes on everyone's a
match.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
You're, it's like a hot girl on tinder.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because, likeI always wondered, because you
know, being being a guy likemyself, tinder is not always
friendliest to you and I alwayslook like at the hot chicks and
it's like god every time theyswipe.
Yes, they probably get a match.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Oh yeah, that's gotta be a nice feeling oh, it made
me feel so good and it was justso cool though, because, like it
was so different.
I remember there was a littlebit of drama in season one, um,
with like in both seasons, uh,my dates, they all had a group
chat.
Uh, they had a group chat withme and a group chat without me
in both seasons, which isintimidating as fuck.

(15:17):
Um, but in season one there wasa little bit of drama and I
remember a bunch of the datesthey had like threatened to quit
, uh, and they were like, oh,you know what we'll leave, and
all the stuff.
In season one I was just likeno, like don't, like, it's like
I think there's just like amisunderstanding of what you
guys saying.
In season two.
If something like that happened, I would have been like all
right, there's the door.
Like I, like I wish I was justlike like respectfully, like I

(15:38):
wouldn't have been an asshole.
But I would have been like okay, if you're like threatening to
not be in the series, that'sokay.
If you don't want to be in it,like yeah, again, there's the
door, I'll pick somebody elsethere's a line of people that
would gladly be the you knowtennessee date or whoever,
whatever state it is, and sothere was definitely a shift in
that when it came to it and Ijust like wanted people, uh,
wanted girls to be part of theexperience, that truly like,

(16:01):
were interested in being part ofthe experience.
Not like and it's hard tofilter if they're clout chasers
or if they're, and but like Idon't think I get asked that
question sometimes and peopleare like, oh, like, what about
the girls who might be justclout chasers doing this to me?
I don't think it's if, ifthey're solely in it for that,
yeah that's bad.
But like I understand if girlsapply because they get a little
bit of total footage, likethat's's part of the thing.

(16:23):
It's obviously not for genuine.
Yeah exactly, Exactly Like, andso I totally understand if
girls are applying because oflike, oh, you're getting some
love on social media or being onor getting a date paid for and
maybe getting on the news andlike, I totally get that fun
side of it, so there's noproblem with that to me.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
So walk us through the logistics of planning season
two.
You've already gone through allof season one.
You know what to expect.
You've learned the nuances, thebad things Setting up for
season two.
Now you have a filmer with you,you have your vehicle, you
already kind of have an idea ofwhat you're going to spend in
fuel, probably, like you have amanagement team now at season

(17:01):
two, like what is all thelogistics?
That goes on that people mightnot understand.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Well, season two was so much different than season
one.
Season one it was me and myF-150 running around the US with
my iPhone, like that's likebasically the just of it.
Season two was just like I hadso many more people I had to uh,
I don't know if address is theright word, but just work with

(17:27):
right Editor, pr team management, team manager and then
cameraman, and so it's like onething.
That was really or I guess I'lltouch on the logistics of it
Like, basically in season two Ihad been, when I announced
season two, this managementcompany that was based out of
Michigan reached out to me andthey were really interested in,
you know, managing me for theseason, and I had never been
managed me for the season and Ihad never been managed before in

(17:50):
that world, and I was just like, okay, I guess we'll see how it
is.
So they flew me out there.
I met with them.
Uh, it seemed like they knewwhat they were doing and they uh
seemed to impress me reallywell and so, partnered with them
, we shook hands on a deal forthe season and, um, then we just
got the ball rolling on a lotof stuff and they moved fast,
which is one thing I reallyliked about them.
It's just like, okay, they'regonna get the ball rolling on
things and whatnot, um, and soit just like it kind of was a

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domino effect.
It's hard to explain thelogistics, I guess, of, uh, you
know, getting other peopleinvolved because just working
with them and doing a lot ofdomino effect with it.
But the logistics of planning aseason are monstrous when it
comes to mapping out every placeyou're going to go, like the
route is huge, and schedulingthe dates.
Because in season one I waslike I was a lot, I felt like I

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wasn't as blunt.
I guess you could say when itcame to the dates I'd be like,
hey, does this week work for you?
I would like talk to my dates.
And then I'd build a scheduleout that way.
In season two, when I picked agirl, I'd call her and I'd
basically be like hey, or beforeI even hopped on a call with
her and I would text her and lether know that she was the

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winning date for this or the thepick for this state, I'd say
I'd say, okay, does this datework May 2nd?
And they'd be like yes or no.
And I'd be like yes or no.
And if they said yes, then we'dhop on a call and I explained
how everything worked and then,but it was like this is the day
you have to go on the date.
It's not.
There's no flexibility here.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
It's like this is you got to plan this out?
Yes, like the route that you'repicking.
How do you, how do you choosewhat route you go through?
All the states like is there amost efficient way to travel?

Speaker 2 (19:24):
I just just I mean, I it probably depends person by
person, but just obviouslytrying to map it out the most
efficient.
On a road trip, you know, kindof vibe, like you don't want to
be going from Texas to New Yorkand then California, like you
want to just like, oh, maybeyou're going to go up the East
Coast and then down South andthen up and down through the
Midwest and some flyover statesand whatnot, like.

(19:44):
So just kind of mapping it outthat way.
But that's the that's one ofthe biggest monsters is just
mapping all that out, gettingthe dates set in terms of the
timing and then the girls foreach state and then planning
what we're going to do in eachstate and then also just letting
businesses know that we mightbe coming into film and all that
.
There's just so many things todo in that regard.

(20:07):
So a lot of moving parts to theseason for sure.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
When you're doing the dates?
Have you ever had otherbusinesses or people be weird
about you filming out in public?
Because I'm sure it's got to beawkward when you got your phone
out.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, you know what's crazy is.
One thing I learned in seasontwo, when I had a cameraman, is
when they're following me and agirl around First off side note,
a camera person is greatmarketing, phenomenal marketing,
because if we walk into a baror a restaurant and a camera is
following us and 90% of thepeople in there don't know who

(20:45):
we are, everybody knows by thetime we leave.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Because they're just like what is that?

Speaker 2 (20:48):
What are they filming , what's going on?
And then it just spreads like abrush fire and so can't.
A cameraman is great marketingin terms of just where you're
going, what you're doing, peopleasking what you're filming.
But anyway, I learned with acamera person the logistics are
off the charts when it comes tofilming in places, because and
what I learned is is, if Icalled places ahead of time and

(21:10):
talked to them like hey, we'repart of the show, uh, you know,
we're gonna have a cameraman andme and a girl on a date, they
more than likely said no.
They were like oh, we're no,we're not, we like aren't
comfortable with that.
Because, yeah, because they,when I say, oh, I have a camera,
like they are thinking so muchdifferent in their head they're
like, oh my gosh, is he gonnahave a bunch of camera people,
microphones.
Like they are thinking so muchdifferent in their head they're
like, oh my gosh, is he going tohave a bunch of camera people,

(21:31):
microphones, like they'rethinking this is going to be
this huge production and it'sgoing to disrupt the guests or
their atmosphere.
And so what worked a lot betteris if we just showed up and I
was just like, hey, like this ishow it works.
Like.
Or you know, hey, is it okay ifhe films us?
We're just doing this?
They're like oh yeah, like know, hey, is it okay if he films us

(21:52):
?
We're just doing this.
They're like, oh yeah, like it.
Because they saw, it was justme, my date and one camera
person and I like to think I'man approachable person and so I
was always very friendly withpeople and so, like that was a
lot easier going into placesversus trying to be efficient,
you would think oh, totallyahead of time and that didn't.
That didn't work out.
So, um, yeah, that was on thecamera side.
When it comes to the phone side, uh, like it just depends now.
Now I'm I'm fine with it,sometimes like I'll cringe

(22:14):
myself out if I like him with adate she wants to do like a
trend or something like it'slike a dancing trend on her
phone.
We have to set it down andwe're like in a busy mall.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
I'm like, oh my gosh I'm like, I just like my heart's
pounding.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
I'm like, oh no, i't want to do this, but I never
want to be that guy that's toocool or anything.
And if my, if my date wants todo it, I'll do it because she
wants to and stuff.
True gentleman, yeah, you know.
But and also, if I'm, but ifI'm filming something, I don't,
I, to be to be honest, like thisis my career.
So if I'm like documentingsomething, like as long as I'm

(22:46):
not disrupting people, like Ithink it's weird.
If I'm like what's up, tiktok,or something like that you know.
But if I'm just like at a barand grill and I'm with my date
and I'm like, I'm like, allright, I'm here with my date,
Maya, and we're going to do thischallenge where we could see
who could drink the fastest LongIsland or we could drink the
long that and that doesn't bugme at all.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
But if it's more of a dance or something a lot more
vibrant for people to see, I'mlike, okay, this is totally,
especially the trendy ones atthe time I would imagine that's
got to be a lot of your ownpersonal growth is stepping out
of your comfort zone with allthese different people.
They all have differentperceptions of you.
They have different perceptionsof you.

(23:30):
They have different perceptionsof reality, like you're
constantly stepping out of yourcomfort zone, especially when
you're having to do somethinglike that.
Yeah, I think that justprobably makes you a better
person in general.
You're a realize you kind ofhumble yourself, like, oh okay.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
I got a little anxiety.
After all, you know, yeah, yeah, no, it's it.
You definitely are constant.
That's a good point.
You're definitely constantlypushing your comfort zone doing
these things, and it could beanything from putting yourself
out there in a social atmosphere, filming yourself in public
doing things on a date thatyou're not comfortable with,
like I hate.
I'm not a big rollercoaster guyand I've had to go on dates at,
like theme parks where theylove rollercoasters and I'm like

(24:03):
do it, you got to do it.
Or I'm not a big plane guy and,ironically, the gal I went on a
date with in Minnesota seasontwo, she was a little pilot at
the aviation college in Mankatoand so she took me out on a
plane and watched the sunset.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
I missed that one dude.
That's badass, it was awesome.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
She took me out to watch the sunset over
Minneapolis.
It was beautiful.
And but I'm like, oh my gosh,in this little plane with a girl
I just met, who knows if she'sa good pilot or not, I don't
know but I'm just like, oh, thisis stressing me out.
But I'm pushing my car and thenher and her cameraman screw
them.
To this day they teamed up andthey planned this little prank
on me because they know I didn'tlike flying and she stalled the

(24:42):
engine and so the plane wentand I like lost my mind I'm like
, and then she like turns it up.
And then she did it like threetimes and I was freaking out
Like you got to stop, like I'mgoing to lose my mind.
But so yeah, constantly pushingthe comfort zone, whether it's
like on camera in public doingyou know a crazy date activity,
or like that's fearful of mineor whatever you know, just

(25:04):
constant things.
But that's good for anybody topush your comfort zone totally
absolutely.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
I want to take it back a little bit to when you
first got started during covidtimes, because everything was
online, you weren't seeingpeople in person and all of a
sudden you have this notorietybut everyone's stuck at home.
So I guess my question is wasit weird having notoriety and
fame during covid and then alsowhen covid ended and you start

(25:29):
getting out there and all of asudden you're going to to the
gas station and someone's likehey, I know you have TikTok.
That had to be a lot tocomprehend at the time.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
It was yeah, like I didn't.
Uh, I just I guess I when I hitthe road I had a hundred and
like I got 150,000 followers onTikTok or 160,000 followers on
TikTok and like in my head Ijust I guess obviously like
160,000 people is a lot ofpeople, but I guess I didn't

(25:58):
feel this like bulk of fame oranything.
And so like the first statewhen I pulled up to a gas
station was in Wyoming and I gotrecognized from people, I was
just like oh, just like, oh, mygosh, like this is this could
actually be kind of a thing, orlike is this gonna happen in all
50 states?
Like I don't know, um, but itwas really cool and I'm a social
person, so I'm, you know it waseasy to kind of take that in um

(26:19):
during the covet time.
It was just, it was weird justgetting kind of this first
introduction to like internetfame or clout.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
You know, I had like yeah, I had.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
I had an instagram and stuff, but like I'd post
here and there, but like it was,I never experienced like going
viral or anything, and so it wascool just to like see that
happen.
And and it was just surprisingto me, it was like crazy that I
would post a clip and I wouldn'teven really like I in content.
The content has changed so muchand algorithms and platforms
but but like it, it blew likethings that I didn't think would

(26:50):
get that many views, but I'mlike okay, well, I'm just going
to put it out there.
It would just like blow up, butit was just because, like of
COVID and the time we were in,and and mine was a series, so it
was followable, right, and soit was just, you know, kind of
fascinating in that regard, butnot overwhelming by any means in
the beauty of your brand ispeople can rally behind it.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Like I remember waiting for, like I can't wait
for minnesota to come up, and itgets everybody involved.
It's, it's the perfect premiseyeah, that's.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
That's the one thing I've learned and that's like why
I have a lot of pride with mybrand is, uh, I just like
everybody has state pride and soif they come across my show
they're like, oh, who's the girlin kentucky, who's the girl in
new york?
Like, because they want to like, it's just natural state pride.
I remember it hit me one timeuh, I was.

(27:38):
It was when the rams and the uhoh, who did the rams play in
the super bowl a couple yearsago the bengals.
Was it the rams and the bengals?
Okay, so I asked my family Iwas with with my family when we
were watching it and I'm like,oh, who are you guys rooting for
?
Like in Montana, we don't haveany pro sports team.
And they were like, oh, we'regoing for the Rams.
And I'm like, why the Rams?
And they were like, oh, becausethere's a guy on the Rams who

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went to college in Wyoming orhe's from state rivalries.
Like there's a little beefbetween, like, Wisconsin and
Minnesota a little bit and, likeMichigan and Ohio, there's some
beef there and so it's like,even if people in those states
see the date in their state,they're like, oh, who's the Ohio
girl?
Screw her.
You know just immediately, butlike it's kind of the

(28:33):
competitive edge of state pridejust from viewership, and so
that's why I think there's a lotof value in my brand of 58 city
states and I also want tohighlight places that aren't
normally highlighted.
If you look at the bachelor insome of these series they pick
five girls from la and threegirls from dallas and two girls
from miami and a couple from uhnashville.
And's like there are so manyother states out there to show a
little bit of love, to givesome love to these smaller

(28:54):
Midwest states or some up on theUpper East Coast.
Like there's places that youknow aren't.
Maybe they don't have the bigcities or aren't as glamorous or
entertaining, but there's stilla lot of good people out there
and some and at least from myside of things when it comes to
the dates a lot of good lookingwomen and stuff too.
It's like hell they're out there, man, and so you got to show
every state some love, and so Ijust think that that's a huge
value of the brand a lot ofblondes on the page.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, I get a lot of.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
I get a lot of shit for that yeah, that's fair yeah,
it's safe to say that youdefinitely have a type, I think
right yeah, I yeah, that'sprobably accurate yeah yeah,
I've definitely got some heatfor that.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
I remember I my most viral video is me uh shuffling
through my dates in season twoand it's just like everybody in
the comments, just like, oh,bro's got a type and oh, it's uh
like what was the phrase theyuse.
It's like same same page,different font, or something
like that, you know, just likeeverybody else to me, and then
it's like people calling meracist because I don't have

(29:50):
enough diversity, and it's like,oh my gosh, these people are
crazy, but it's just like I'msitting there eating my popcorn
while it's going viral right.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Oh my god, this is good comments, they help push
yeah, exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
So I'm just like oh, whatever, yeah, any engagement
is good engagement, obviously.
Do you?
Do you read through all yourcomments, do you like?
Do you see most everythingcoming in?

Speaker 2 (30:09):
uh, no, I it depends like I'm actually pretty bad at
that and I've been bad at thatis like some, I'll try to reply
to things.
If I check notifications andlike on a specific video or
something like I'll try to replyto a handful of people because
one, that's good engagement, buttwo, it's just good to like.
You know, if someone asks aquestion in the comments, to
respond to them or whatever, andobviously can't respond to all
of them, but like um, I've beenbad about that in the past, like

(30:32):
where I've gotten texts bydates or family or friends, like
do you see the comments on onthis?
or or like dates will be likehey, can you delete this comment
because of bashing or somethingand like I tell all my dates
that ahead of time I'm like, hey, if there's ever like something
really towards you becauseeverybody's got insecurities, or
like people could just be dicksonline and they just like go in
on one of my dates, like why isher hair like this, or her

(30:54):
makeup or something, and like ifI don't see it, it's just
sitting there for people to belike, yeah, what the hell.
And so I've like had to deletecomments because of what people
are saying and whatnot, and so.
But I definitely don't read allmy comments and I'll try to
reply to some here and there orDMs or whatnot, but I probably
should more.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
No, I think you're probably in the minority,
because I think what happenswith most people, that's like
they get sucked into reading andthen you start doom scrolling
through the comments.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Oh, no, dude, and then you just really get down on
it.
No that's bad.
You can't do that.
You cannot, especially ifthat's negative or some heat
Like that's bad, that's bad forthe mental.
Oh, Instagram reels are tough Iwill never read the Insta
comments.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
I love seeing a video on TikTok and then the top
comment will be like post thison Instagram.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because they're not as filtered
with the comments.
Yes, ruthless, I remember Iposted a video in montana, my
home state screw those guys outthere, what the hell?
I posted it.
I was in red lodge, montana,and I went to like a little
coffee shop and I just like kindof vlogged it and put it on my
insta.
Oh, I, for some reason it youknow caught some good engagement
and did good numbers and itjust hit the montana audience

(32:05):
and all the comments were justlike get out of our state, you
Californian.
I'm like I'm not fromCalifornia Just because I'm
vlogging.
You think I'm from California.
I'm like I'm from here, you ask, but everybody's just like get
out of our state.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
This is Montana and I'm just like, oh my gosh,
they're just bashing me Justbecause I went to grab a coffee.
It was like like, all rightguys, screw all we.
We had one clip that hit a badside of instagram where I was
talking about how the caffeinecontent and diet coke is the
same as red bull, which is sowrong and I was like I don't

(32:39):
know if that sounds no, it wasnot accurate, but for some
reason I don't know what I hadread that was.
I might have been comparing likea mini red bull or something to
like a 12 ounce diet coke yeah,whatever.
So I had fully stood onbusiness and said, like diet
coke is the same caffeine.
You were just all in.
I made it into a clip and wehad posted this and it and it

(33:00):
had got good traction.
But then I'm looking at thecomments and I'm like oh, like
the top comment was like asimple google search revealed
this is not the case.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure we got ratioed on it even.
Oh no, oh, that's tough.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Yeah, it was embarrassing, but it was funny
because it was like damn okay.
Well, hey, at least there'sviews yeah yeah, right, right.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Well, people do that, people do like the rage bait
where they, like would saysomething like that, on purpose
even though they knew, would saysomething like that on purpose,
even though they knew, or likeone thing.
Uh, people could think of it aslike a tip or trick.
I've never done it, Uh, I don'tthink so at least, but like a
lot of times people they'll likemisspell a word purposely or
something.
So then the comments blow up andthey're like wow, he doesn't

(33:41):
know how to spell or what the.
And then it just like you get ahundred comments of people
trying to grammatically correctyou.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
And you're just like I knew the whole time.
So what I found out actuallyrecently is that there's a real
role at big social mediacompanies called like a social
engagement engineer, and there'speople this is really big with
like parody cooking channelswhere it's like put two eggs in
and they'll only crack one egg.
Oh yes, Shit like that thatthey'll slip in, so that it,
like you, breeds more commentsthat was only one egg yes yeah,

(34:11):
yeah, yeah, stuff like that.
Yeah, that's a real role forsomeone to analyze the script
and be like oh, we could putsomething here.
That's crazy that's fascinating.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
It is rageful, though .
I've seen those cooking onesand yeah, they're like all you
need is four ingredients andthen they put in like eight and
you're like, yeah, you're sowrong, you're terrible.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they got me, they got,
they get me.
Every time until I found thatout, I'm like, okay, that's
smart, but fuck you.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yes, I don't like that those little things, that
that's one thing that kind ofbugs me as a content creator and
like maybe it's just becauseI've done this so long, like, or
I guess, for you know, fouryears, five years, whatever it
is like I can tell whensomeone's trying to like,
manipulate the viewer intowatching their video and it just
seems like unauthentic.
It's like, hey, I have threesocial media tips I'm going to

(34:54):
give you guys today, and thebest one is at the end and it's
like it's like that's not howanybody talks.
Nobody talks like that Nor, andlike you're just doing that, so
people stay to the end.
So, and I get it like I.
I understand it from a contentcreator side, but it's just like
I.
It's just like come on, likewhat do you?
I?

Speaker 3 (35:11):
just that bugs me so much I noticed a lot of that
when tiktok shop first startedpopping off, because people at
that point were like pretendingit wasn't an ad.
Yes, like now people are prettyopen, like everyone knows what
you're doing, but before it'd belike they try to slip it in
front of you, almost like abrand deal where it's like I
know what you're doing, yeah,yeah, a hundred percent it's
hard to be authentic when itcomes to like promotion or ad or

(35:35):
things like that, and it's soweird with, like, some brand
deals.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
I've done how they just want to like.
They want me to read a scriptand I'm like what are you guys
like this?
isn't gonna resonate withanybody, like I don't know what
you're thinking behind this andI'll try to share my two cents.
And then they're just like no,we really want to follow it this
way and it just doesn't makeany sense.
There's that old quote where itsays it's like oh, the

(36:01):
corporate marketing people.
They go into a room and they gowhat's the dumbest idea we
could think of?
And then they do it like that'swhat so many corporate like big
brands do, it just like.
I don't understand why theydon't try to have more of a
authentic approach versus likethis script style.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Well, they're coming from like the traditional
marketing world.
It's like you see thisbillboard and this is a
billboard.
Yeah, it's a, it's a disruption, it's like a thing that pops up
.
Yes, that's just like you haveto notice it.
Yes, but you know, what a lotof people are starting to
realize is it just does betterif it feels natural.
100%.
This is the person I like.
If they really fuck with thisproduct, then I'm way more

(36:36):
likely to buy it.
We actually just turned downour first brand deal because of
this.
Really, yeah, so we're kind ofbig time in brands.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Hell yeah, hell yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Hell yeah, let's go.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
No, but it was like I don't want to mention anything
just in case we do somethingwith them in the future.
But they said we don't want aspecific break in the content,
we want you to just bring it upnaturally in the conversation.
And they sent me some examplesof what it was like and they're
just like oh yeah, oh, thisthing, this thing is blah, blah,
blah, blah, and they name offthe ingredients and you have to

(37:14):
hit on all these key points.
It's like that's weird.
Yeah, we don't talk like that.
Yeah, I cannot do that.
Yeah, it has to be clipped in,otherwise, like I'm not gonna
just tell someone like oh, youshould drink bush light because
it has wheat and it has waterand it, you know what.
Like I'm not gonna talk likethat.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Yeah, that's weird 100 that you know I will never
understand.
Uh, the podcast advertising.
Like to me I have never heardanybody when when they listen to
a podcast and an ad pops up,they skip through.
They like, they like, click the10 second fast forward or
whatever they're just like, likeno one.

(37:40):
So I am so fascinated like Idon't have a big podcast and I
don't know what it's like tohave a big podcast, so I can't
you know tom, neither do we stopit.
Stop it right now that's nottrue, uh, but like I don't
understand, like I guess, fromlike a like, if you're joe rogan
, right, like, obviously, if youget any ad space on that show,
he's the biggest podcast in theworld.

(38:01):
That's freaking awesome.
But again, I feel like anytimeI've watched joe rogan podcast
or clip, I'm like skipping.
Yes, anytime it comes to an ad,and so, and also, every podcast
ad is, it's literally script,it's like hey, this is why you
should go to pizza hut becausethey have their new, uh, big box
deal where it's 20 like it's,it's red, everyone, it's not

(38:21):
like fun, it's radio.
And so I I'm so curious fromlike a brand side, what their
like metrics are behind.
If it just big, oh they have alot of listeners and like we
want it this way or like I thinkit's way better if, like you
guys, if you guys are sponsoredby, if you guys are sponsored by
an arizona tea and you have abunch of arizona teas on,
totally like that's just that'swe're talking.

(38:41):
But there's product placementyeah, right, and and maybe
there's a break in the show orwhatever.
But again, I'd bank on more oflike the product placement or
the atmosphere.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Right, if you were, if we were a brand, so that
those kind of throw me off yeah,the only example that I can
think of when it comes to thepodcast and just social media
advertising in general ismanscaped like the lawnmower 3.0
or whatever they're at now andhonestly, I think that's because
they just forced it so muchtowards this, where it's like, I

(39:10):
think razor, I think manscapedand yeah it's not like, oh, they
have the best product, but it'slike they just get stuck in
your head, that's.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
That's a good point, like the reps, yeah it's like oh
my gosh, they're in everything,like timu did, like four super
bowl ads or whatever it was, andit's just like jesus.
Like, how much money does timuhave?
That was all over social media,I turn on the Super Bowl and
it's Timu the reps.
Definitely that makes sense Ifyou're doing mass output,

(39:37):
spending a ton of ad dollars.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
That actually freaked me out, because I didn't
realize that it wasn't Timu,that it's Temu.
Oh, it's Temu.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
That's how you say it .

Speaker 1 (39:45):
That's what all the commercials were saying Temu,
Temu, Temu.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
I don't know, if it's a translation thing or what.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
But that was one thing.
I'm like whoa, I've been sayingit wrong this whole time, I'm
not going to change.
But that's weird that you wouldsay it like that.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
That is wow.
They need to really fix becauseI've done a couple brand deals
with Temu.
That's what they say, that'swhat the commercial said.
They need to really be a littlebit more key on that, because
in my videos that I've gotapproved from them, I've said
Timu and they haven't correctedme.
I'm sure they've just acceptedit.
Yeah, but that would be if Ihad a certain brand name and
someone said it wrong.
I want to make sure they saidit right.
You know, like that's how, like,if I don't know, I'm trying to
think of an example 50 states,50 dates.

(40:25):
50 states, 50 dates.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
That's self-explanatory.
I'm sure you get that one a lot.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Oh, you're saying, if it's swapped around 50 states
50.
Yeah, that bugs me.
That like not on, I mean it'snot like I'll be like say it
right or anything like that,because people say that all the
time, people, which is so weird,dude, I had to practice.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
I kept fucking it up up until today.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
And it's funny because when I came up with the
name for the brand I wasdebating, I'm like, okay, do I
do 50 States, 50 dates or 50dates, 50 States?
And to me in my head, 50 dates,50 States flows better.
But I swear, a lot of the timewhen I meet people they're like,
oh, you're 50 States, 50 dates,like they say.
And so I'm just like, did Imake a marketing branding name
mistake?

(41:05):
But I don't know, know, youknow, in my head I'm like I
thought this went more fluent tome and so, yeah, but that yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
So sometimes, but again, if someone were to google
50 states, 50 dates, I'm gonnapop up yeah, so that's I'm like,
oh, whatever yeah, type thingsame same with temu temu
whatever if you type in t-e-myou, you're gonna go to the
website exactly you know, itdoesn't sound like anything else
.
Yeah, whatever, 100, 100.
So let's, let's bring it back.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
The um, now you're going to go to their website.
You know it doesn't sound likeanything else.
Yeah, whatever, 100%, 100%.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
So let's bring it back Now.
You're about to start seasonthree.
Yes, so I mean, bring us intothe logistics.
How are you going to switchthings up for this new season?
I know you had pivoted a littlebit because I had heard in some
of your previous podcasts thatyou've been on while we were
researching you for this thatyou were going to have a girl go
on this season three yes, yep.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
So after season two, I uh, you know, had my finale on
good morning america, new york,and it was awesome.
And then I'm like, and workingwith my management team, I'm
like, all right, well, we gottalike we're at a really big peak
right now like how can we dosomething big and out something
going on, move the brand forward?
And I came up with a girlversion of the show and I was

(42:15):
like, okay, like cause I want to, I wanted to have things fresh
and uh, like fresh and different, right when a girl took over
and went on a date with adifferent guy in every state.
I'm like, okay, that keep, andthen I would be a host of the
show.
And so we started that process,announced that version had
girls apply to be the new star.
We picked a girl uh, she wasfrom Minnesota, actually picked
a girl to be the star and uh, tobe the star.

(42:43):
And, uh, we, we got seasonthree then started with her and
she, uh, she went on the firsttwo dates of the season and then
, unfortunately, um, I won't gotoo crazy into details, but
unfortunately there was a, a baduh breakup, uh behind the
scenes, with me and my uh,former management team and which
really like, caused a lot ofissues into the girl version and
all that stuff.

(43:03):
And so from there it was justlike, okay, well, this is going
to take time to figure thingsout with this and this, and so
between all the logistics of it,and so unfortunately things
didn't really work out with her,but I still kept that version
alive in my head.
I'm like, okay, well, I still.
I still kept that version alivein my head.
I'm like, okay, well, I'm stillgoing to do that version Once
this stuff gets wrapped up.
You know, if it's not with her,that's okay, I'll do it with

(43:25):
someone else whatever.
But then logistically, you knowthe the really tough thing that
I learned with doing with her inthe short time that we did to
involve somebody else in theseason there's a handful of
things.
One, it's I'm basically puttingmy brand on the back of them.
It's like they are the new faceand I obviously do my research

(43:47):
and I interview them and allthat stuff.
But there's that side of it.
Two, it's a lot more ofmicromanaging.
A lot more of micromanaging.
Let's say, you're going to bethe new guy, bachelor of it and
you're.
You live here in Minnesota, butI live in Florida, I have to
constantly be communicating withyou, be like, hey, can you make

(44:09):
this video, can you make thisvideo, can you make this video
to post on the 50 day, 50 States, channels and stuff, and so
it's a it's very difficult totry and like micromanage and
kind of chase the tail on beinglike, hey, make this video, do
this.
Like telling them to do thesethings, versus I can just pick
up my phone and make a video,yeah, and I can just do it.
And so that's a reallydifficult thing too.
And so, with season three that Ijust announced, I'm like you

(44:30):
know what, like I've had threeyears off the road now.
I've done, uh, a lot ofdifferent like side endeavors
and kind of side question, uh,quests and collaborations, and
I'm like you know what I got toget back on the road and do
something different, fun andunique.
And so, to change it, I decidedto come up with this new heart
format.
Uh, that I think is, oh, Ithink it's so good and so genius

(44:53):
, but basically, uh, every dateI go on this season, they'll get
a heart and their heart willhave a state on it.
It'll be like kind of this woodred heart and, yeah, it'll have
their state on it.
And at the end of every date Igo on, they have to give me
their heart and then I have todecide if I'm going to take it
or break it.
And I can only keep five heartsout of all 50 dates I go on and

(45:17):
then those top five will joinme for a finale.
But I think it's gonna justcrush it.
I think it's just gonna crushit because it adds this
elimination factor which I'venever had.
It's like gamifying it yes,yeah it's.
It's kind of, yeah, gamifying ita little, and and you have to
do it right in front of theirface, no, no, thank goodness
that as much, as much as I, asmuch as that would be good for
viewership side.
I'm just like dude, I can't dothat.

(45:37):
I would be devastating, butfrom a viewership side.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
I'm just like dude, I can't do that Devastating.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
It would be devastating.
But from a viewership side,imagine watching the show and
you're watching a girl fromLouisiana and you're like man,
this gal is such a cute gal,she's such a sweetheart, she's
so nice, she's showing them agood time, she's enthusiastic,
bubbly, and then I break herheart at the end.
The good time she'senthusiastic, bubbly, and then I

(46:00):
break her heart at the end.
The viewer's gonna be like thisasshole, what the like.
She was great, what the hellyou know.
And then if I keep anothergirl's heart, that's like maybe
not as bubbly, they're like thisdude, he's got bad tape, but
like it.
It just opens up this door ofopinions from everyone and like
they're just like, oh, how couldhe keep her heart and break
hers.
And it just adds this gamifyingelimination element that I

(46:21):
think will be really, reallycaptivating to an audience.
So I'm really excited tointroduce that into the new
season.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yeah, that's going to be awesome, that's going to be
really cool, that's a good idea.
So the whole premise is thatyou can only keep five at one
time.
I can only keep five out of all50 dates.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
I go on, so can you go all 50 dates.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
I go on.
So can you go all 50, not break, and then at the end be like
all right, break, break, breakbreak break no, no, no no, how
are you going to do it?

Speaker 2 (46:43):
So basically in like the five I got to think is like
a very valuable kind of likesafe almost.
But let's say I've kept fivehearts and I still have 20 more
dates to go on.
I could then start breakinggirls hearts I've previously
kept with new dates.
I go on.
So basically no girl is safeuntil the end of the five hearts
that are kept, and then thosefive will join me for a finale

(47:05):
and then I'll pick my winner.
Um, but yeah, so that's that'sthe fun thing about it is like
even if your heart's kept, likeif I keep uh, idaho's heart in
state number three, she, herheart could get break by state
25.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
You just like you don't know until the very end.
So some of them, you're justgonna have to be ruthless, just
yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
And some like it'll be easy.
Of course, you know it'll justbe like all right, like and, and
when I make a video of me,break it, because I'll make
videos of me breaking down why Ibreak the heart and everything,
or like kind of like a heartceremony, kind of like a
bachelor of roses, but I'll justbe like I'll give a recap on
our date, how I thought it went,and then I'll basically just be
like or or keep it, you know,but it's but the.

(47:44):
The beauty of that too, though,is that the girl will see it
for the first time just like anyother viewer, and so like she's
not gonna she's not gonna likeget a heads up like she's gonna
see it just like you guys wouldbe able to see it for the first
time.
So it's like, yeah, it's so Ilove it, dude, thank you.
I'm so jacked about it because Ijust think, I think it's so.
It really hones in on like,yeah, state pride and people

(48:07):
sharing their opinions on thesecertain girls, and, and it adds
this elimination element that Ithink just has lacked in
previous seasons.
You know, like I haven't Inever had.
You know, in the previousseasons I never had an
elimination besides my top fiveon good morning America and then
I picked my winning date onthere.
But like, at the end, if you goon 50 dates and you're just
going on a date in every stateand there's nothing like no

(48:28):
outcome to them, it's kind ofjust like, oh, geez, like that's
a lot of dates to go on, and soI mean it's yes, it's a
fascinating concept and it'scool to do the things I do, but
I think adding this is like oh,there's an outcome to each date.
Is he going to take their heartor break it?
So I think I'm jacked for it.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, it adds so much to theshow itself.
It brings me into one thingthat I was wondering and I'm not
looking for any names here, butI'm sure have you ever had a
date where you're in the middleof it like god, this just
fucking sucks?

Speaker 2 (48:58):
yes, oh yeah, of course, of course you don't
going on 100 dates in twoseasons.
There's definitely a couple ofthose, um, but I guess, like I
always try to power through thebest I can, you have to be
professional, yeah, but likethere are some where it's just
like, oh my gosh, like this isgoing terrible the first couple
hours and I still have four orfive hours with this chick.
It it's just like, oh my gosh,this is brutal and that's very

(49:22):
few.
I feel like out of all my datesI've lucked out and I've had a
lot more good apples than badapples.
But yeah, there are some whereit feels like it's a grinder, we
just don't mesh well, or it'slike talking to a brick wall, or
things are awkward.
So there's been a couple.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
But it hasn't been terrible.
That's actually reallysurprising Cause I would think
that as more 50, 50, really likemore often now, like not only,
I think, is it more common tohave some social anxiety with
someone that you've never met,but also just in general I think
as a culture we're becominglike more and more introverted
and a little bit harder to openup, especially in the context of
like you're on like a show.

(50:01):
When you're doing it, you know,but yeah, I guess that makes
sense, yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
That's no, it's a great point, like I agree that I
think people are getting likemore introverted or like less
social or a little bit moresocial anxiety and things like
that.
But I think a couple thingswith the dates I go on is one
they have a good understandingof what they're signing up for
or what they're doing.
So it's like okay if there's acamera, if they're going to be
on social media, whatever, likethey have to be somewhat
outgoing, or so.

(50:27):
It always surprises me when agirl is a little bit more like
and I totally like a lot ofgirls have been shy right away
and they've opened up and Itotally understand that.
But it always throws me off if,like that stays the same way
all day.
I'm like why did you sign up forthis?
Like, if you're, if you're shyor you're awkward, like you this
, you, this is not the right fitand clearly I picked, you know
the wrong choice in that stateor whatever.

(50:48):
But um, yeah, so that's alwaysa weird thing.
One thing that throws me off iswhen girls this happens all the
time when girls act differenton camera versus off camera,
yeah, that's always interestingwhere they're almost just kind
of checked out when it's off.
Yeah, yeah hey, yeah, yeah, orvice versa, where they're like
trying to be too, they're tryingto be liked too much on camera

(51:08):
and trying to be perfect oncamera, and then off camera
they're their authentic self andlike.
They're way more relaxed, waymore fun, way more easygoing and
I'm like I like this version ofyou way more.
Why aren't you acting like thison camera?
But they're afraid to show liketheir true self or however you
want to word it, cause they'reafraid of being judged by their
true personality or whatever itis, and they feel like they have
to kind of I don't know performin a way I guess you could say

(51:31):
in front of the camera or beperfect, and to me it's just
like, no, just like, be yourself, do your thing, um, so that's
always a an interesting thing,because a lot of moments on my
day it's like, once the camerasare off, we'll either go grab
like late night drinks or we'llgo hang out or whatever, and so
then it's like you know, I getto know them a little bit more
on that level and you know it'sand that's always great.
I always look forward to that.
If, if that's the vibe, soyou'll turn the.

(51:59):
A lot of the time it'd be likeokay, the date, like all of our
date activities, all the thingswe had planned are wrapped up,
or reservations are done likewe've done everything that we
had on our date itinerary, andthen it's like all right, well,
that was awesome.
Like do you want to go likegrab drinks?
Or you want to go do this?
Or just like, oh, sometimesit's like okay, well, like
thanks for being part of this,see you later, um, but when we
do go grab drinks and stuff,it's all.
I love that because it's greatto hear from their perspective

(52:24):
always asking me like so whatyou thinking today?
Like how would it feel to likehave a camera in front of you
and like be miked up and youknow, like what, what was that
like?
And it's it's very cool to heartheir reaction, whether, like
they're like you know, I'mreally nervous how it's gonna
turn out or whether they like Ithought it was so cool or
whatever it is Like I lovehearing.
It's almost like feedback, youknow, but it's just, it's cool
Totally.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
So let's take it back to the end of season two.
You do the finale on goodmorning America.
I mean, that's like prime timetelevision, this is.
You're the centerpiece of thismassive elaborate entertainment
thing that's going on Like whatis the afterglow like of being
on good morning America?

Speaker 2 (53:01):
That dude.
That was crazy, like I, youknow, that was just a situation
that I, you know, I didn'texpect.
But then they reached outtowards the end of my season and
they were just like we'd loveto, you know, do some sort of
thing with you in a finale.
And so I worked with theirproducers and whatnot and went
out there and uh, it was so cool, like they flew me and my five
dates out there, got us allsquared away in like this nice

(53:22):
hotel in manhattan, rightdowntown new york city, and uh,
you know it's, and we got alldressed up like all my dates are
looking like dimes, you know,they're all looking dressed up.
And then, uh, I guess it was mytop four dates I'm sorry, my
top four days, not my top fivewhich was some drama.
Drama, that was some dramabecause, oh, good morning
America, shame on you guys.
I appreciate you guys, butshame on you.

(53:44):
They said, when we were settingeverything up beforehand, they
said that I could bring my topfive dates out and I was like,
okay, and I sent them who Ipicked for my top five and who
that was going to be and allthat stuff.
And they were like, okay,sounds good, you top five and
who that was going to be and allthat stuff.
And they were like, okay, itsounds good, you're good to
reach out to them and explainthese logistics.

(54:04):
And I said, are you sure?
Like we're good.
They're like yes.
And then I like triple checkedwith them and they're like, okay
.
So I reach out to all my dates,or my, my top five dates, and I
tell them that they're going tobe part of it.
And uh, and then, good morning,america comes back to me like
two days later and they're likehey, uh, hey, matt, actually
like just talking to our likehigher up execs and producers,
we're only going to allow you tohave your top three dates.
And I'm like that's I'm like.

(54:26):
I already told five of thesegirls that they're going to be
coming to new york city andbeing on.
Good morning america, like oh mygod dude, I was so mad but I
was like I couldn't be too mad,because it's not like I can just
scream at Good Morning America.
They were doing I will doanything to be on there, that's
a huge thing for the brand, andso I'm just like but I was just
like I have to stick up for mydates a little.

(54:47):
And so I was like is thereanything you guys can do?
I already communicated thiswith five of my dates and they
were kind of just like.
They were like oh, just blameit on us.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
And I'm like, yeah, but this isn't like I'm like I.
I was like you still gottaeliminate.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Yeah, I'm like, I'm yeah, a lot easier said than
done.
And I'm just like, I'm like,can you just like, please go
back to them and explain likethat, like can we try to make
something work, even, I mean,even if we could have four of
them out of the five orsomething?
And so they went back andluckily they told me I could
have four out of the five, whichmade it a little less of a blow
.
But so I had to call.
But it kind of made sense withthe one that they and they told

(55:24):
me which one I couldn't bring,which was kind of like whoa, but
it kind of made sense because Ihad my Hawaii date in my top
five and logistically, with herflight from Hawaii to New York,
I mean it's like, and with thetimeframe it was kind of tough.
So I understood it would havebeen great to, you know, pick
another girl to be part of it,but it didn't work that way.

(55:47):
But yeah, so anyway, you know,had my top four out there and I
thought we were just going to belike in studio, like you know,
a newsroom, I just like that'swhat I thought.
But then, like they just hadthis whole setup for us in the
middle of time square like builtfor me and I'm like this, like
I was, I lost my mind.
I'm like this is crazy, how is?
Yeah?

(56:07):
I'm like I didn't expect thisat all and like they didn't tell
me that they were like oh yeah,we're gonna have like a set
bill, like.
But they did, I thought it wasall in studio again.
And then when we go out, whenwe we each had our dressing
rooms, I like pull up to mine.
It says like Matt Wernig on thedoor.
I'm like, oh, this is sick.
And then it had my dates.
It said like dates of 50 dates,and right next to theirs was
Serena Williams.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
I'm like oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
I'm like wow, this is like big time.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
This is cool, that's so cool.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
And they're probably looking at.
You're like holy fuck, oh yeah,yeah, and this in like this big
of an album.
I'm like this is crazy, rightand uh.
So we get out of our dressingrooms and we, uh, we go out into
like the time square area andthis was nuts, this was crazy.
They had like security blockingpeople and bike rack fencing
and then all these likepaparazzi just like taking flash
photos and like the paparazzidon't know who we are, but
they're.
I just I don't know howpaparazzi works.

(57:01):
You know just a ton ofphotographers and it just like,
and so I felt like insanelyfamous.
I'm like you know, but but itwas just so cool and uh, and so
we like walk out on set and thenthere's all these people I mean
it's new york city, the mostpopulated city in the us like
all these people are surroundingthis area around this, like
this, uh, the set and bike rack,fencing, and so they're all

(57:22):
just staring and filming and I'mjust like this is so, this is
so cool.
I was like a little kid in acandy store.
I was just like so grateful andso appreciative and, um, so
yeah, did my uh, you know,picked my winning date, cassidy
from Illinois, and uh, then theygave us a good morning America,
gave us two tickets to aBroadway show which was really
cool and I'm not a theater guyand I don't run musicals, but

(57:44):
the show we went to was sobadass, it was so sick, it was
so good.
They integrated modern musicand stuff, like we would all
know, into the play and it was agood story, it was awesome.
So we had a really good timethere and so, yeah, that was
kind of my good morning Americaexperience, and I remember, when
I flew out of New York, Istayed in New York for about a
week because I had a handful ofdifferent press that whole week.

(58:06):
And I remember when I left Iwas in the airport and I was in
the airplane and I just startedcrying, dude, because I was so
grateful and I just startedcrying, dude because I was so
grateful.
It was like I was just like.
I am so happy that I got toexperience that Because in
season one when I ended Ithought that I would have got
that opportunity in season one.

(58:28):
That's what I thought before Ihit the road.
I'm like man.
I think if I really crush itthis season I'll be able to be
on like a big stage in nationalmedia.
On season one I got on thebiggest platform.
I got on.
I was on air with ryan seacrestlike his radio show, which is
badass.
That's sick, um.
But like I guess I justexpected to get on a lot more
bigger publications and mediaoutlets in season one and I

(58:50):
didn't.
It was a lot more smaller, justnews stations, local stuff, and
so to end it on this huge stagein season two it made me feel
like I fucking did it like itmade me feel so good, I was just
so grateful.
Happy tears, happy tears.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
That's awesome.
I can't imagine what that, whatthat come down, has got to feel
like.
Did you ever have a thoughtlike what now?
Like was there, like how am Igonna top this feeling?

Speaker 2 (59:14):
um, I I guess I like had a vision for—my goal and
dream to this day is to get 50Day to the States to be a TV
show or some sort of a show onNetflix or Hulu or HBO or either
streaming service or network ofsome sort.
So after Good Morning America,a ton of different producers
reached out to me, including thepeople from the Bachelor, which

(59:38):
was Warner Brothers which isawesome, warner Bros Everybody
knows who Warner Brothers is andthey reached out to me and so I
was working with them for awhile there on making 50 Day
City States, a show which alsotook a little bit of time.
From how I said, I was off theroad for three years between
season two and season three.
I was working with Warner Brosa handful of that time on this

(01:00:01):
possible series, but then,unfortunately, the good old
Hollywood strike happened.
Oh, no.
And all of Hollywood shut downand a strike hasn't happened in
Hollywood in like 50 years or 60years.
And I'm just like why?
I'm like, are you kidding mewhen I'm close to having a
moment?
Because, uh, and all the workwe were doing, with all the work

(01:00:22):
I was doing with them, uh, theyhad to.
Uh, the guy I was working withhe had to show it to their
higher up execs and they had togreenlight it and they did.
And so we're like, oh my gosh,like it's happening, like this
is this is my moment, right, andor this is the brand's moment,
because I wasn't going to be thestar of the show, which I'm
okay with.
I don't need to be a star, Ijust want my brand to be up
there.
And so I'm like this is it.

(01:00:43):
But then the hollywood strikehappened, literally like a
couple weeks later.
Oh my god and it just like shuteverything down for, like I
think it was like three or fourmonths and a ton of people
within warner brothers got laidoff and it was just like.
So it kind of came to Crash andBurn, which sucked.
But for me I have anever-give-up mentality and I
have kind of a relentlesspursuit with my brand of 50 Days

(01:01:06):
to the States, and so I'm likeyou know what It'll work out
when it's supposed to.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Totally, and so I've got to keep continuing the brand
somehow.
I'm a firm believer in that.
Everything happens for a reason, as cliche as that sounds.
I think that there is a routewhere, especially with the
concept that you have for seasonthree, that there's a route
that staying independentlyproduced is definitely more
leverage for you, Not only to dowhat you want to do, but run it
how you want to run it and doit the way that you want to do

(01:01:31):
it, but get more fulfillment outof it.
I think 100%.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Yeah, and that's one thing I learned about working
with producers and Warner Bros.
Yeah, and that's one thing Ilearned about working with
producers and Warner Bros Is forpeople to get TV shows, there's
so many things that have tohappen and the stars have to
align in so many different areasfor people to get shows, with
production and casting and timeframes and budgets and agents

(01:01:56):
and all these things, it's justlike holy cow.
There's so much that goes intoit, and so for me, it's like you
, what when it happens?
It happens, like you said,everything happens for a reason
and timing is everything.
And so, uh, for me you know,I'm hoping with this new season,
in this new format it catchesthe eye of someone you know, uh,
whether that's a warnerbrothers, uh, producer again, or

(01:02:16):
somebody else, and they're justlike oh wow, here we go.
What is this?
We want this to be on hulu, wewant this to be on an amazon
prime show, whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
You know, we see a lot of creators getting amazon
prime deals right now and justlike youtube channels that are
episodic getting more amazonprime deals, and I think that
that's not crazy to think yeahno, I, I don't think you're
right there yeah, I think likethere's a concept to it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
It's like yeah, I believe in it, so much.
Uh, before we continue, can Iuse the restroom absolutely?

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
absolutely great time for bathroom bake okay, one
thing that I did want to ask youaside from like the fuel cost,
what do you think your biggestexpense was throughout all of
season one and season two?

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
that's a good question, because you're
constantly spending money Allthe time Gas dates, hotels, food
You're constantly spendingmoney on those things and then
plus, if anything, just randomlittle things like pay tolls or
oil changes and things like thatProbably hotels.

(01:03:18):
I'd probably say hotels isprobably the especially season.
Uh, season two, because I itwas two separate hotels between
me and my cameraman and or twoseparate hotel rooms oh damn my
cameraman.
So that's like double the doublethe price there in season one.
Oh my gosh, shout out my newmexico date.
Bell, love you for this.

(01:03:39):
She, uh, she worked at marriottand she put me down as like her
brother and so I got thefriends and family discount.
So I was getting 50 marriotthotel hotels.
Oh that's bad which marriott'sare fucking nice and so I'm
getting 50 hotel rooms at places.
It's like that's so amazing,like that saved me so much money

(01:04:00):
it was like a weird kind of athing, but no, it was.
It was so clutch that, like youknow, she just happened to work
for marion.
She offered it.
She was just like hey, like Iknow you're gonna be traveling
everywhere, like I'm more thanhappy to like put you down as
like a family member so you get,I'm like that's so clutch.
So yeah, she had to like sendyou down as like a family member
.
I'm like that's so clutch, soyeah, she had to like send me

(01:04:21):
this form every like a month,and then I'd have to show that
when I checked in and like, ohyeah, it was, it was so clutch.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
It was awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
That's badass, yeah, but it wasn't that but that
wasn't the case in season two.
So those hotel rooms, oh, Billabout that deal we had worked
out Right yeah, I don't thinkshe worked at Marriott anymore,
or else she probably would havestill done it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Yeah, do you try to cut costs wherever you can, or
you just say like fuck it, it iswhat it is.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Well, I definitely.
It's not like I am just rollingin the dough and I'm like oh
yeah, I can do it, I can spendit on anything, nothing like
that.
But I don't want to also be likea stingy motherfucker, like I
don't want to like a lot of thethings.
I look at from an experienceside, it's like, okay, is this
worth the experience, is thisworth it for content?
Like, is it worth it for aviewership for what I'm doing,

(01:05:09):
is it something that I'd want todo, type thing.
And so then I'll just kind ofbe like screw it, like whatever
it's, and and also like I'm kindof bad with money.
This way is I just like I thinkyou know you'll get the money
back somehow?
It's like you know, that's howI kind of operate things.
Like I think, if you stressabout money constantly, or I'm
like, oh my God, like people whoare so stingy and tight, and

(01:05:31):
it's like, oh no, I can't getthis dessert that's $11 at
dinner.
And I understand if you're likein a tight budget or like you
know you have a lot of expensesor kids or whatever.
It is Like I totally understandthat and I'm not saying
everybody should splurge, butfor me, in my position, what I'm
doing, it's like, oh yeah, ifthere's, like this chocolate
cake that comes with crazysparklers in it and it would
look good on camera with me andmy date Fuck it, like I would

(01:05:55):
never bat an eye at somethinglike that, you know, or things
like that, and so, yeah, I'mpretty easy going with that kind
of stuff, but I never like huntout.
I grew up small town kinMontana.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
So a nice hotel room to me.
Somebody else could be like ew,I'm super easy going.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
I could care less A lot of the times I'm in certain
places.
So, yeah, it just kind ofdepends.
But I'm definitely not tryingto be like a big baller and be
like let's do this crazy thing.
For example, a lot of my dateshave or not a lot, but a couple
of them have wanted to goskydiving and looking at the uh,
skydiving prices in places,it's like Jesus, like I don't
want to spend a thousand dollarsfor me and you to go skydiving

(01:06:33):
and like I'd rather do multiplefun things that added up to like
$500, you know, versus in, likethen that's half the price
versus just doing one big thing.
That's a huge, you know check.
And it's like Jesus, okay, athousand bucks to do this.
So like those are things I'vesteered away from.
You know, if it's just like onebig thing, that's a lot of
money versus doing a lot morethings for content.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
So yeah, it just kind of depends A hundred percent.
No, that makes sense.
When you say you had adifferent hotel, you and your
filmer like is that?
Uh, why is that?
It's not like in my head.
I'm thinking, like, if it's thehomie, like we're just sleeping
in two queen beds.
Yeah, worst case, ontario,we're sharing a king bed, sure,
sure uh well, there's a couplecouple reasons.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
One uh what one, uh, you know.
So my cameraman, john love,loved my cameraman.
Uh, he was.
How old was he?
On the road I think he was like35 maybe and he was married and
had kids and everything and hisfamily's used to him being away
from home because he was in themilitary or in the army and so

(01:07:39):
obviously being involved withthat.
So him talking to his wife andkids, it gives him a sense of
privacy, uh, with you know,facetime and them at night,
things like that.
And him like also on the moreof the production side, with
like charging things and usingoutlets in the hotel room, like
it would look like this in hishotel room, right, like in the
sense of putting battery packsand charging cameras and all

(01:08:00):
these different things right,and so just kind of having his
own space and domain and then mehaving mine and whatnot of like
doing what I need to do forwork and getting things repaired
and making calls and planningthings for dates and doing stuff
like that.
So it was nice on like the workside of things, on the pleasure
side of things, on the businessand pleasure side you know it
obviously is nice if a date andI, you know, we had a nightcap

(01:08:22):
and we went to a couple barsafter our date or something, and
then, you know, we uh, uh,respectfully made our way back
to the hotel.
You know it was, it was nice tonot have, I was wondering that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
I didn't want to say, but I was wondering it was.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
It was nice to not have good old john on the bed
you know it was john, you gottaget out.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
John, please just go to the lobby for a sec.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
No, so that was, we're back, yeah so that was a
nice, like you know little thingfor for privacy and whatnot, no
, that makes a lot more sensewhen you kind of spell it out
like how long for season twowere you on the road?

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
was it all at one time?
Did you break it into sections?

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
uh, no, it was all at one time.
It was from February.
My first date was February 21st, I think February 21st, and
then ended oh God, was it August?
Like beginning of August, andso like four or five months,
whatever that is on the road,February, March, April, May,
June, July.
Oh, I guess like yeah, but itwas not six months, it was about

(01:09:24):
five months on July.
Oh, I guess like yeah, but itwas not six months, it was about
five months on the yeah, I meanend of February.
So about five months on theroad, Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
That's a lot of time to be bunked up with the guys.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
Yes, and that's another thing too.
It's just like also havingspace.
You know, like if you're withsomeone all the time 24-7,
there's going to kind of getannoyed or a little tendencies
and shit like that.
And me and him traveling allover together, you know, road
trip after road trip after roadtrip, and him like I feel so bad

(01:09:54):
for him, I could never do whathe does, so like kudos to him
because he had to listen tothese like not the same
conversation but me repeatmyself about 48 times Cause he
unfortunately he didn't comewith me to Hawaii and Alaska, um
, but the lower 48 he did, andso when he was with me at those
he had to listen to me say, youknow, when a girl's like, oh, so
what did you do before this?
He had to listen to my response48 times.
He had to listen to the samething and he's just, oh, I could

(01:10:16):
, I'd be, I'd be so aggravated,so that and road trips and
getting checked in places andeverything.
But he was such a greatcameraman because me and him
bonded a lot when it came tojust our morals and values and
being respectful to people andcharacter.
And also one thing that's a bigdeal.
That doesn't maybe seem like abig deal, but when you're with

(01:10:38):
someone on the road for thatlong, music taste is a huge
thing.
And so when we're in the carand he's playing music on his
phone or I'm playing music on myphone, we like meshed music
wise, because if he like lovedheavy metal, I would have.
I would have jumped off abridge like that would have been
terrible if you were just likedude.
Have you heard of this band?
For?

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
five months yeah I'm just like this is awful.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
Like it was, like it would have been terrible, so
lucky, I'm a people pleaser, soI'd pretend I liked it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
I'd be like, yeah, that's same same, and inside I
would have just been puretorture, like oh and so I'm
really glad we just meshed in alot of those ways, which was
which was really good did you?

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
how did you guys pass it on?
Were you listening to musicmost of the time?
Are you throwing on podcasts?
Are you throwing on audiobooks,like what?
What is the car rides like?
Are you?
Are you talking?

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
yeah, it was.
It was a little.
It was kind of everything itwould be.
It would just kind of dependbecause a lot of the thing I
would try to work he kudos tojohn again.
He usually drove everywherelike we.
We would switch off if it wasreally long road trips and stuff
, but uh, he usually was the guydriving because I would be
working, I'd be working, myeditor, who would edit my
youtube date episodes, wouldsend over you know kind of the

(01:11:43):
first draft or whatever, andthen I would go through and I'd
watch it all and make edits toit and then send it back to him.
But like, that takes a lot oftime to watch, you know a 30, 40
minute episode, or then, whenhe would send it to me, it'd be
like a 50 minute, 55 minuteepisode for me to watch all that
and make edits, him send it tohim, then him send it back, like
so I was doing that, answeringemails, talking with management.
I was working a lot when he wasdriving.

(01:12:05):
It was a nice way for me to getcaught up.
But when I was caught up onthings or just planned things
for dates, like if I had callswith girls, things like that, so
that was a really nice way forme to get caught up on things
and work.
If we were just if I didn'thave a lot of work to do or I
was caught up on things.
Yeah, me and him just vibing tomusic.
Yeah, me and him just vibing tomusic.
We both loved country music and,like rascal flats, we both
loved rascal flats some oldschool country you know or like

(01:12:26):
I don't know how old school youwould call that, but um.
So we both liked country musicin that way um and uh and then
like conversations.
We'd always have really stellarconversation like he.
It would be so funny becausehe'd be like so you went out for
drinks last night, did she gohome, leaving your room this
morning?
or did she, you know, orwhatever so like we'd always
just like kind of bro out andtalk about like those things he

(01:12:48):
still likes the locker room.
Oh yeah, it was locker room talkfor sure, and so it was, and
he'd always share, like, hisopinions, I think.
So what did you think of her?
Or whatever, and he'd like giveme his two cents.
And then always it was justgreat like, and one of the
number one things I loved.
Uh, I looked forward to thisevery time.
But when we were on the, hewould meet my dates first
because he would do like alittle introduction with them

(01:13:10):
and like they would say, hi, I'mKaya and I'm from Vermont and,
like you know, I'm a nurse and Ido that.
You know, whatever it is theydo, he do a little intro with
them and then he'd be like, allright, are you ready to go meet
Matt?
And they'd be like, yep, andthen he'd film us meeting for
the first time.
But he would always have thefirst interaction with them and
he'd film it, whether it was attheir place, wherever we were
meeting them, right, and uh,then he would call me and he'd

(01:13:31):
say, hey, matt, you're good tocome down or come out or
wherever, and but when he woulddo that, he would always tell me
what his first impression was,and so he'd kind of like scoot
away from him, and he'd be likedude, this chick, you're going
to like her, or he'd be likedude, you might be on your toes
with this one.
And that scares me, though.

(01:13:52):
I'm like what the hell?
So then I'm like thinking ofthis before I meet this girl.
I'm like, oh no, I remember onegirl.
He told me I won't say whatstate, I'll be respectful, but
he.
But he said and I was sweatingbullets after he said this he
was like dude.
I think this girl is mentallyunwell and I was like what does?
that even mean I'm like what isgoing on and so I that made me
so nervous going into it andthat wasn't the best date, but

(01:14:14):
uh, he, so he was accurate withhis thought process.
But no, it was great, it'sgreat.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
Uh, that's so funny so we already established that
you're from montana, from a verysmall town.
So I'm sure your parents, whenyou first started making these
videos, they were kind of tryingto figure out what's going on.
Was there a specific momentwhere your parents were like, oh
my god, dude, this is insane.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Like congratulations, yeah, I think, uh, when I was
doing them virtually, they justlike thought they're like, oh,
this is kind of fun thing Matt'sdoing and whatnot.
And then when I told them that Iwas going to quit my full time
job to go travel the US and datewomen, they were like no,
you're not.
And so they were really reallyon the fence about that and

(01:14:58):
really hesitant and had a lot ofpushback, as any parent would
you know, just worrying, and itwas 2021.
A lot of pushback, as anyparent would you know, just
worrying, and it was 2021.
So, like saying, the wordtravel, you know, during the
COVID time, was like a you knowkind of a trigger word and so
they were just like reallyworried as parents about how I
was going to afford it and in mysafety and with COVID being
around, and and how I was goingto logistically do all these

(01:15:20):
things.
But once I started answeringall the questions they had and
they saw that I was prepared,like I wasn't just like, oh, I'm
going to do this, and I had noidea, like once they saw how
serious I was taking it, then Ithink that relaxed them a little
bit.
But I remember, you know, for awhile I was, like, really
disappointed of the reaction ofsome of my closest friends and

(01:15:41):
family when I told them I'd behitting the road.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
Because I thought my closest group of people would be
, like, my biggest supporters,but they were some of the ones
that had the biggest pushbackand like, oh, why are you doing
this?
Or what are you like, what areyou going to do about money?
And like they just didn't see.
Uh, you know what I saw.
And it took me a couple ofyears to mature past that.
And and then I just had like aself-reflection one day, and

(01:16:06):
it's a learning moment, though,that I can't blame someone for
not seeing the vision I see.
You know, like, and that's okayLike if I tell you guys
something I want to accomplishor do, and you guys are just
like, okay, like you know,obviously there's one thing
between being a hater, you know,and just like maybe not seeing
it through, but I can't blameyou guys for not seeing what I.
I see, you know it's from mypoint of view, it's from my

(01:16:29):
perspective, what's in my head.
And so it took me a couple ofyears to like really mature and
like kind of I guess I don't sayI don't want to say forgive,
but just like, look past thatand not think of it as like a
bad thing.
Um and so, yeah, were they werehesitant in the beginning, for
sure, but then, like now theyreally they love, like living
vicariously through my contentand hearing updates, and like

(01:16:49):
and telling family or friends orneighbors or little things,
like they had someone come dothe gutters on their house.
And uh and uh, they asked whattheir kids do and uh, I have a
sister.
And they were like, oh well,our daughter, she works for the
Special Olympics in Minnesotaand our son, he's kind of an
internet personality, andthey're like oh well, what's he
doing?
They're like oh he travels anddates women and then they're

(01:17:11):
like wait, what's his name orwhat's he doing?
They're like, oh, it's called50 Dates, 50 States and they're
like, no way, that's your sonand so for them They've had
little interactions with that,randomly.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
Oh, I'm sure at the grocery store they're like oh, I
saw little Matthew on TikTok,yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
And so it's fun for them to have some entertainment
added to their life with it, andso I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
Dude, that's the thing On a much smaller scale
with us.
When I first started with OnTap, my dad was like what the fuck
is this?
And he had one fucking friendtell him like hey, I heard your
son on that.
That was really cool.
Entire mindset changed.
Right, yeah, yeah, he's likethis thing's really working,
yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Dude, that's so funny that you say it.
It really just takes maybe arandom person to shift their
mentality.
That happened exactly with mydad, because my dad's know
old-time farmer, like 70 yearsold, he does not know, like he
still doesn't really know what Ido, how, like, how it works.
But uh, um, I remember he wasin a barber shop one time and he
was to and it was the samebarber I would go to in montana,

(01:18:15):
me, and it went to the samebarber and uh, he was talking
with the barber and uh, thebarber austin, he was like, oh
so how's matt doing?
And my dad was telling him orwhatever.
And uh, then the guy sitting inthe chair there waiting for his
haircut, he goes 50 days, 50states, like I've heard of that,
that's your son and my dad hadthe exact same thing like your
dad.
He like was like man, this couldreally be something he might be

(01:18:37):
on to something here, you knowso it's crazy how people just
like another person's opinioncan shift that, that is
hilarious, well shoot.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
What do you think?
Should we wrap this thing up?

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
yeah, you know I do have one more thing I want to
ask you before we wrap this upsure because there's a lot of
guys, including myself, thathaven't been on a lot of dates.
We don't know how to plan theperfect date.
Do you have an advice for guysjust looking to take a girl on a
special date?
Make them them feel good aboutthemselves?

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
Yeah, you know, I think for me, um, I think
there's a lot of things you gotto avoid on a first date, like
dinner dates and movies.
Like you could mix in a dinnerand that's no problem, but do
some sort of an activity tied toit.
Like I think mini golf or likego into a sporting event is
perfect because there'ssomething to take a little bit
of pressure off of just aone-on-one conversation and you

(01:19:30):
can like, if you're mini golfing, you can make a fun little bet
or have a little bit of friendlycompetition and talk about that
or like banter with that, alongwith having a conversation
right.
Or if you're at a sportingevent, you could be cheering for
someone or doing somethingwhile like having a little bit
of small talk here and there.
Um, and so I think doing thingsto get it off of just the
one-on-one focus is good.

(01:19:51):
I do, I I love getting drinkswith people, whether that's like
you know before or maybe it'sjust a simple date and that's
what you do is the full thing.
But like drinks relax people.
It really does.
Like I've been on plenty ofdates with girls where they've
taken shots before we go on adate because they just like to
calm their nerves about going onthe date, and it's just like.
I mean it's everybody reactsdifferently to going on dates or
if they get nervous or anxiousand whatnot.

(01:20:12):
But I think for me, whatrelaxes me about going on dates
and I think I would give thisadvice to any guy is just like
we're all people.
We are all people and we're notthat different, like we really
aren't.
Like we all like to enjoy agood meal, we all like to laugh,
we all like to smile, we liketo listen to a good song, you
know, and some people meshbetter than others.

(01:20:33):
But I think, like I don't thinkthere's any reason to get
discouraged if something doesn'twork on a date either.
Like there are a million girlsout there that look at me and
they're like, ew, gross.
But there's also probably amillion girls out there that are
like, damn, he's good looking.
There's so many people in thisworld and there's so many fish
in the sea.
You can't take things to heartand it's just like, oh,

(01:20:53):
everybody kind of has their ownpersonal persona and so, yeah, I
just think making girlscomfortable, being yourself and
just being you you I think is isa huge thing.
And, again, like not trying tojust relax when you're on a date
.
Just, I know it's easier saidthan done.
But, yeah, just go into thingseasy and, yeah, do your thing I
love it, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
Wow, matt.
Thank you so much for coming onand for our listeners.
If you're not tuning in forseason three, what the fuck are
you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
yeah, what the hell?
Yeah, like follow, subscribe,do all the good jazz.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
Season three we'll tag we'll tag all his socials in
the description, so go followhim, matt.
Is there anything you want toplug before we leave out of here
?

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
no, no, I appreciate you boys having me on.
It's been, it's been good,chatting and socializing and, uh
, talking away solving theworld's problems you know about
dates, love, travel, everythingin between.
And yeah, if you, uh, if you'relistening, go check out season
three.
It's gonna be, it's gonna bequite the wild ride.
It's gonna be a lot of fun soI'm excited to hit the road.
See you later, matt.
Hey, thanks, fellas.

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