Cultivating Connections: Ethics in Career Growth, Family Bonds, and the Art of Helping Others

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Have you ever considered the lasting impact of the relationships you build along your professional path? Reflect with us on the transformative power of supporting each other in the workplace, beyond mere ladder-climbing. The conversation this episode is enriched with the wisdom of Katt Williams, diving into the ethics of career growth and the intricate dance of maintaining one's integrity while navigating office politics. It's a candid look at the balance between hard work and strategic relationship-building that anyone from a fresh-faced intern to a seasoned executive can appreciate.

Then, we shift gears to the tender topic of family dynamics, especially as our loved ones grow older. Stories of connection and estrangement stir the heart, revealing the poignant truth about our future as determined by our past actions. How do you handle introducing a partner to a family member with less-than-enlightened views, or the challenge of familial expectations when they clash with personal values? These narratives pull at the threads of family fabric, examining how to maintain individuality and peace amid potential discord.

Wrapping up, we shed light on the education system's shortcomings and the importance of holistic, hands-on learning that gears our children toward both success and fulfillment. And to inspire, we share a powerful tale of a man's journey from survival on the streets to a purpose-driven life, all while underscoring the quiet, potent beauty of helping others without the expectation of recognition. Join us for a heartfelt exploration of life’s complexities, where growth and kindness aren't just goals—they're the very essence of our shared human experience.

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Episode Transcript

M (00:05):
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Welcome back to on the mic withM and T.
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Appreciate all of that.
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and continue to do it, we got alot of great things, but that's

(01:44):
what next week to talk about.
All the other great things isgonna happen next year.
So, right now, we're just gonnastart with hmm, we're gonna
talk about catwimps, yes, andwe're gonna put a twist on it
because Everybody, as you know,everybody want to talk about the

(02:07):
people that he talked about.
Yeah, that that part, and whatwe're gonna talk about is.
We're gonna talk about thegossip you part too, but more
importantly, we're gonna talkabout how that actually ties to
people's everyday life, because,believe it or not, people live
this.
They're laughing oh, I can'tbelieve, can't sit there about
Steve Harvey, but if you thinkabout it, you get the same issue

(02:29):
with your sister or your workwithin the workplace, because
this is some things that youkind of see it in different
industries.

T (02:36):
Right, You're trying to move up in you know the financial
industry or you know healthindustry.
You know there's differentindustries.
You'll see those clicks ofpeople as you get higher and
higher up, or those differentnetworks, yeah, absolutely so.

M (02:51):
It's not.
You know it was.
It was a lot great information.
You know, and I don't even careif it's a lot or not, it
doesn't even matter.
At this point, the responsesare unique, because think about
it, think about it.
If someone, if, if someone, alot about you, you gonna come
out like that motherfucker linehey, I don't really talk about,

(03:13):
we did this, this, this didn'tdo that.
Everybody's like he got fakefenty on.
You know he, he didn't looklike he was high that day, or
All these other stuff thatyou're like wait a minute, wait
a minute.
Still, you seen thismotherfucker's line.
You gonna talk about what he'swearing or other situations and
you want to hide behind otherpeople, which begins to make me

(03:36):
think that he may be telling youthe truth and some things.

T (03:41):
I just think that there's always gonna be, like those
group of people who look out foreach other, right, like it's
human nature, right yeah theonly thing I think he really was
highlighting is that you don'thave to try to pull someone else
down in order to look out forthe people who you are trying to

(04:03):
look out for absolutely.
I'm definitely make sure.
I make sure my family.

M (04:10):
Yes.

T (04:11):
I'm gonna do that, absolutely gonna do that.
But I think that bigger pointbeing made is that don't you
don't have to step on people,and you certainly don't have to
try to Step on the small people,thinking that they'll never get
big Mm-hmm, I think that was abig piece that he was, you know,
trying to highlight is that youthought that I would never get

(04:34):
to the Place where you were at,or I would never surpass, you
know, the position that you'rein, and so that's why you were
willing to step on me.
Absolutely so when you seepeople in the workplace or just
beginning that entry level andyou're well willing to, you know
, deceive them or, you know,take from them.

(04:54):
So like stepping on them right,stopping them from progressing
in that workplace and then givethem a year or two or a few
years in the next thing, youknow they come shooting past you
but they're not gonna try tohelp elevate you on their roads.
It's success now because theysee who you are.

M (05:11):
That tea.
That is very true.
When I started working so manyyears ago, I was always at that.
I do never want to do whatsomeone else did.
I need to understand what thehell I was doing or I'm supposed
to do, because if I do I'msupposed to do, then that means
they'll trust me with any otherstuff, because, example,
nowadays a lot of young peoplewant to come in and work and

(05:32):
want to make your money.

T (05:36):
Oh, I get what you're saying Before you walk before you run
again.

M (05:57):
I don't mind and I'm a minority, because a lot of
people don't want to helpanybody because if you help them
, then that means you're gonnatake your job.

T (06:04):
Oh, you know cuz in the hair world they think that we all
compete against each other, likeit's just like we're gonna run
out of here to do why we competein the get.
See, there's a lot of heads outhere y'all like, wow, they're
done.
Yeah.
One person said I don't want totechnically compete against
each other.
No, we all get money together.
We train together, we growtogether, we learn together.

(06:27):
We get money together.
Wow, it is successful together.
We're okay with that, wow.

M (06:33):
That, that's that that I can see that because again, you
think you doing hair, who's thebest hair stylist?
And you want to be the bestbecause you see I'm the best
hair, I'm a best lactician.
Oh, by the way, people, thebest lactician is T God.
They see how her hair flows,will?
Nice Producer, everybody herefrom.
So rocks, she's the king, she'sthe queen of lock.

(06:54):
Yes, I'm just throwing a littleplug out there, but you know,
just in general, like inbusiness.

T (07:03):
Yeah, I can't do all the lock , so just jump in there, right?
I can't do them all, seeabsolutely.

M (07:10):
You all break you right, so you have great time here yeah
absolutely.
Yes yeah, and you know a lot ofpeople think that you know I'm
supposed to just, you know, keepthis person down.
I'm, I was never about that.
My thing is I want to be ableto teach you so you be able to
do this, because down the road,if you're doing this, you don't
remember me, because you can sayI remember him, he helped me do

(07:31):
this, this, this and this, andthat's my legacy carrying on,
because I don't talk this person, I'm not.
I'm never gonna be scaredsomebody else, cuz you never
know as much as I know, and I'mnot gonna hinder your growth
Because I'm paranoid about yougonna take my job.
It was meant to meet bees,meant to be anyway, because,
again, you know you can kissenough ass over.
Another thing people don't kissass.

(07:52):
Kiss ass will run your ass outto do a cricket to anything else
and people think that you walkin, you find smile Big, I'm
gonna kiss the ass and theygonna help me go to the top.
You know, do you keep using youuntil you're not usable anymore
and then you'll kick your assaside and you'll take that
Little guy who's quietly doinghis work and moving up slowly up
the corporate ladder and he'llbe taking your job because that

(08:14):
guy knows this guy who's beentrained, who's doing his job,
it's gonna make me look good andmake the company look good.
You kiss my ass was good to apoint, but now you kiss my ass
is not gonna get me where I needto get to in your hindrance now
.
So people need to learn thatstuck his people's ass.
Learn your job, learn what youwant to do or what you're trying
to do, and learn that way.

Mac Da Don (08:33):
I think you can kiss ass.
I don't even want I do whatbetter.
I disagree with you fully.
I think.
Ask us to do better than peoplewho just grind and get the work
done, because ask cases are incorporate space time times on
time.
See you constantly.
If you're really doing yourwork, let's see.
Let's just take business right.
I just take regular business.
You're doing your work.
Your head is constantly nowgetting things done.

(08:55):
What people fail to realize isthat when you do grind and you
do keep your head down, nobodysees what you're doing.
So you can be doing a lot, youcan be doing a little.
Think about how many people youwork right below the side that
you're like.
How the fuck does no one knowthis nigga?
Don't do work every day, heyevery day is a show up.

M (09:15):
You come to work, ask me hit on the fucking table all day,
yep.

Mac Da Don (09:20):
Come five o'clock he gets the fuck up.
So who knows what's good inthat.
I'll catch y'all later.
And yeah, every month I look atour big account and both of
them got to save money.

T (09:32):
Fuck all that.
We're here, we're talking aboutit.

Mac Da Don (09:34):
Let's talk about the space.

T (09:37):
I'm thinking more like you keeping your integrity, you
growing professionally.
You are networking, you knowyou just keeping yourself like
you don't have to kiss ass toget up the ladder.
That's where I took what youwere saying.

Mac Da Don (09:51):
I think you got to kiss a little bit of ass, just a
little bit.

T (09:55):
I feel like you got to kiss a little bit of shaft thicker.

Mac Da Don (09:58):
Just a little bit.
You ain't got it.
Nah, here's what I'm saying.
I mean, yeah, you know youdon't want to kiss somebody's
ass with no fans.
You got to kiss a little bit ofass.
I think the thing is you haveto understand that there's ass
kissing and then there'shonestly let's call it spacebate
.
There's ass kissing and dicksucking.

T (10:18):
There's only two ways to go about this.
I said it, he's back.

Mac Da Don (10:23):
I'm not leaving you, I'm not leaving you, I'm not
leaving you.
I've been there a couple ofmonths.
I'm back now, yep yes, welcomeyes.
And a lot of cases.
What we really talking about isdick sucking.

M (10:37):
That's what we call it.
That's a fair.
That's a fair, yes, that's afair, yep.

Mac Da Don (10:42):
You can kiss a little bit of ass.
You know, you know miss such asense.
Like you know, I really lovehow you're running things around
here.
You know I really feel gratefulworking for such a wonderful
owner like you.
You know People that work thatmight get you into a woman that
you ain't supposed to be in.

M (10:56):
Yeah, okay.

Mac Da Don (10:56):
What you need to do is not Slam or somebody's not,
bro, like be better.

M (11:12):
That is a very goddamn good point, because the other thing
people have to understand iswherever you are, however, you
start people move up.
So if people know that youstart off as a ass kisser, then
you start slob in the knob andthey start moving up above you.
Then they realized, oh, I washere when this motherfucker

(11:33):
started kissing ass.
Now he's doing what he's doingnow.
I will make sure he'll neverget here, because I know he
didn't put the work in, hedidn't.
He's that.
He's that qualified to be here.
Because, no, we don't respectthem.
So again, this is what peopleneed to realize.
It's like when you go intosomething you have to, it's on

(11:53):
your own marriage.
You got to all our guys, me and, and if they accept me or don't
accept me, now Quite feel more,except you, cuz some people
thrive off, I ask kisses Toarrive off of it.
In fact, you only move upunless you kiss ass, because
expect you this like make themfeel good, feel their ego, make
it feel good about.

Mac Da Don (12:10):
The tradition, in the culture, in the workplace
kiss ass move up, or maybe theyjust like having a ass play with
like we don't know, feel like,oh, I really want to be a boss,
so people could just like suckup to me, yep, I mean.

M (12:32):
That's the damn truth as a collective that is very man,
this motherfucker.

Mac Da Don (12:35):
Only thing they really want is just kiss the ass
.
That's all they want.
You don't do a fuck.
Work hard.

T (12:41):
I'm sorry.

M (12:51):
You're blessed and lucky and I met him.
I still won't kiss the assBecause my thing is,
motherfucker, I'm here to do ajob.
I'm not here to make you feelgood about yourself.
He lunch with you, talk about,listen your problems, fuck you
in your problem.
Let me get paid.
My paycheck is I get paid basedoff what the fuck I do not.
Performance is it and I.

(13:12):
That's our problem.
So now I don't do a fuck ifyou're 18 or 80, if your ass
can't do the job, I will fireyour ass on a drop of a dime.
We need bad eye.
I wouldn't, my mom, my kids,I'm fuck about your kids, they
your kids, they mind.
If you did your job, I wouldhave to fire you.
The worst thing is to firesomebody who's doing a fucking

(13:32):
beautiful job but financiallyyou can't keep them and you just
try to dance around how you cankeep them.
But you got to bring them inthere.
No, they got kids and shit.
That's.
That's a different thing andthat always bothers me.
I've got my kicks off.
Fine, motherfuckers, I fly himin.
Yep, just come on to the office.
They coming off, sit down.

(13:53):
I get the little chair for him.
Sit your ass in that littlechair.
Why don't you just don't worryabout that, mom, forgive me here
long enough in the room.
Sit that little chair and thenwe're starting lamb based the
fucking ass like a turkey or onThanksgiving.
Get the fuck out of here.
Who she did.
But do you hide?
You hide me on other people,but again I look for people like
that.
I know where you hiding, I knowwhat you're trying to do.

(14:13):
So again, once you understandthat a you're not gonna survive
long term and a lot of placesbeing that way and this.

T (14:21):
This speaks to your ethics and morals, right, yeah, it
speaks to your ethics and morals, which you know spend right
back to the interview, keepingup.
I'm not willing to sacrificecertain things and and your
regular workplace and yourregular life experiences.

(14:41):
It's like keeping those moralsintact go a long, long way.

Mac Da Don (14:46):
And I think, to combo on what you just said, the
next half of that sentence isand accept the fact that it
might cause you more headache,except the fact that you might.

T (15:01):
It's okay with that, but you have to understand that that's.

Mac Da Don (15:04):
The true size of that is that you can stand up
for yourself and say I won't do,there's nothing wrong with that
.
But it's also accepting thefact that when you say you won't
do that people will retaliatein that when people retaliate,
except the fact that, becauseI'd be the same for myself,
they're going to do something tome, about me, around me,

(15:24):
whatever against me somethingand except that that's what's
gonna happen.
Is it fair?
No, but they spent you to fallin line.
You chose not to fall in line.
You put in the military.
I don't know why somebodydoesn't fall in line.
He doesn't look at you like ohman, you cool Shit.
Who can't you fall in line?
No, everybody won't laugh.

(15:46):
You all couldn't do that toomuch is why Because that nigga
didn't fall in line.
Sometimes you standing up foryourself means you probably
gonna get other people aroundyou fucked over, except that in
be honest with yourself, thatlike, if something does happen,
it is probably my fault.

M (16:02):
Yeah, yeah, very true.
And then you have to understandthe other thing we decided to
kiss the ring.
There's no coming back.
Hey, think about it when youdecide it, when somebody says,
listen, you kiss the ring, youget 20 million dollars a year,
but you understand thateverything I tell you to do, you

(16:22):
have to do.
There is no, I don't want to dothat.
No, no, no.
When you kiss the ring,everything that goes with
kissing the ring is what youhave to accept, which means now
they've bought and paid for you.
You made a deal with the deviland now your integrity is you
don't have any no, you don'thave any, it's done.
Done and you walk around allwherever you are, knowing you

(16:45):
know.
Maybe I nobody else may notknow, but you know I don't.
So my goddamn ass to the devil,goddamn.

T (16:52):
So what does that look like in regular world?

M (16:55):
Oh, that's when you see people do things For balls or
people who was above them thatyou like.
Why the fuck is he always goingto buy lunch for him?
Why the fuck do you be goodshopping for him?
Why the fuck they always in ameeting?
Why the fuck y'all?

Mac Da Don (17:08):
because that's the personal assistant that doesn't
even work as a personalassistant.
Hello, yes.

T (17:15):
Oh, the boss with perks, with too many perks, yes, you see me
in poppy and boss's car.

Mac Da Don (17:22):
Boss puts on my son.
Oh, you know I need you.
What made next?
You know you doing copies at445 in the morning.
Why are you doing copies of 445in the morning?
I'll say, feel like doing this.
I figured I helped out.
It is still things that youmight even realize that you,
that you slipped into that role,look how people slip into that
role, like you go to be that theass kisser, and then next you
know, there's a little pecker inyour mouth.

T (17:43):
He realized it's true.

Mac Da Don (17:50):
Right, yeah, absolutely, it happens subtly
and then only unless you reallystart paying attention, you know
.
Next, you know, you're likedamn, got a little bit of my
mouth Asks.

(18:11):
I've known that Tejik ask us.
They know.
Okay, this guy needs just thisamount of ass kissing to allow
me to get past him.
Like, almost like they treatedlike a Networking or Networking.

(18:32):
I look at it like a MortalKombat tournament, total, like
you sit there and as you finishthem, you know you up to the
next ball.

M (18:40):
And that's what it was.

Mac Da Don (18:42):
I get about a cigarette knock.
Here's the next person.
Now, what is this guy?
Oh, he needs this.
Okay, I need him a little bitof that, all right past him now.

T (18:50):
What's the next guy?

Mac Da Don (18:51):
and that's how they move.
They, strategically, are kindenough for people to get just a
little bit past them so they cannow say, okay, now I don't need
to worry about you, and now I'malso the next person and you
keep kind of finessing your wayup the chain.
There are people who can do itsuccessfully and always avoid it
.
Some people are trying to do itin our belt for it.

M (19:13):
Yes, because that's a different game.

Mac Da Don (19:14):
That's a different mindset in a different game.

M (19:17):
And you don't know, because if you come to the table, you
don't know how that table wasset up, because you come, I
would see at the table.
Yes, you do, but you understandwhat's going to take you to
stay at this table and that'sgoing to be like are you willing
To do what needs to be done tostay in that seat at the table?
Because if you're not, thatsomebody else will.

(19:37):
Just 30 people behind you thatwould do what you won't do being
questioned?

T (19:42):
Yeah.
Now it's time to pick andchoose.

M (19:46):
And now, what do you do?

T (19:47):
What do you do?

M (19:48):
about choices yes, some good, some bad.

T (19:52):
It's up to you to choose, though, but you're gonna have to
sit in those choices thatyou've made.

M (19:56):
And a lot of people don't realize that and that's kind of
what you know.
My man was saying is, like youknow you can always Talk, you
punch easy to punch down topeople because you know they
don't threat, until that personyou're punching down Starts to
be at your level and higherAbsolutely.
And now you're scared Like, ohshit, I mean my punch down his
ass.

(20:16):
Oh, she had my level.
Now you, they won't be myfriend.
Now you know he's, that personshould know you can't be my
friend.
I remember what you did to me.
I won't forget it.
In fact, I use that for fuel toget me to where I'm at and get
further, and a lot of peoplethink that, oh, they'll forget.
Or you know, you know, if Igive him a few dollars or do
something for him, no, you,don't try to smooth it over.

Mac Da Don (20:36):
Honestly, the scariest thing is the one who
you punch down on, who treatsyou like a best friend.
Oh, if you, if you've neverExperienced or never been in
either one of those seats, avoidthat at all possible.
It's at all possible.
Never punched down.
If you punched down and thatguy you punched out on stands up
and is now next to you and he'slike buddy that's.

(20:59):
Believe he's playing on sillyor silly or silly, but believe
you gonna be sitting there likeAbe Lincoln at the damn parlor.
You gonna be sitting there likethe boy from Game of Thrones at
his wedding.
You gonna be sitting.
That's a wrap.
That's what I know.
He's gonna kick you out.
Yes, because what else is he?
Why is he smiling?
Why are you friends?

T (21:19):
We are arch-nemists, that's just what.

Mac Da Don (21:21):
I'm talking about.
Yeah, that is an odd smell inyour eyes, friendly we are
friendly and I'm gonna wait foryou to do something.

T (21:30):
You explained just what you described.
Just reminded me of childrenand adults.
Right, how you treat childrenwhen they're young and then when
they grow up and they belooking at you sideways as an
adult and you be like I don'tknow why little Johnny don't
like me.
You're like bitch cause you wasmean to me back when I was 10,

(21:51):
you rude ass disrespect.
That's how you treat children.
You know like the kids rememberlike my dad didn't come around
or the dirtbag.
Moms like these kids are notgonna forget.

M (22:02):
They never forget.

T (22:03):
You don't treat children like shit, because at that point you
know they're the people on thedown, they're the small people,
they're the little people.
But those little people areguaranteed to grow up.
Yes, they do.
They're not corporate America.
No, those people at the bottomare not gonna stay there.
They're children, yeah,guaranteed to grow up, and

(22:24):
you're gonna be held accountablefor the things that you did to
them.

M (22:29):
And you know, when the old people found that really out,
truly found that out when theyget old.
Yeah, because my wife used towork years ago at a nursing home
and I remember one day she said, hey, all these old people here
.
They said, look at the door,and it's sad how they look at
the door and nobody comes in,just sitting in the hallway just
waiting.
I said, babe, here's the thing,all those old people, you see,

(22:51):
there's a story behind them.
Yep, there's a reason whythey're sitting there looking at
the door that will never openfor them.
Yep, because they probably donesome fuck shit to their kids or
bring people up.
They don't cause I ain't fuckwith you now.
You're right where you shouldbe and it's not just men.
No, it's both.

T (23:07):
We wanted to run with the idea just of men sitting up
beside the nursing homes, youknow, withering away by
themselves cause they weren'tgood people.
It's both.

M (23:14):
It is.
It's both, and especially thewomen who think they did a great
job, or pretending they did agood job just so they can
function, but they did a numberon their kids.
Fuck them, kids up.

T (23:25):
No, those daughters are not showing up the sons.

M (23:29):
Mm no.

T (23:30):
You wanted to treat the wives like crap, right?
No, the family's not coming tosee you when you are old and no
abilitated up inside the nursinghome.
They're not.
Nobody cares, Cause you're rude, you're disrespectful.
Yeah, you wanted to treatpeople like crap.
You wanted to take otherpeople's situations and make it
your own.
Yes, yes.

M (23:52):
Yes.
That shit is not your shit ladyand you want choice of men.
Well, he's gonna be between you, her, that husband you married,
or me, your mom who had you andit suckled you and not your mom
Remember the one where themother didn't want to be in the
back seat.

T (24:07):
I think it was a skit.
And I think lady, you're not,come on, Come on, you're not
fighting these people.
They're gonna take care of youlater.

M (24:15):
Oh, you would hope they take care of you later.

T (24:17):
You better hope they're designed to, but they don't have
to.

Mac Da Don (24:20):
Because one thing what I never understood, though,
before we pivot is the parents,obviously parents who choose to
despise their children'sspouses and then be surprised
when, like oh man, shit fellapart now my kid not showing up.

T (24:41):
Like you can't get a spouse, you can't be surprised.
Why are you so proud?
Why are you so proud?
Why?

Mac Da Don (24:46):
are you just caught?
You're own guard Like listen,child, I know you found somebody
who you love so you're scaredenough to get married, but fuck
that nigga yeah.

T (24:56):
Like, how do you think that's gonna work?
We get the same energy.
Yeah, you're just showing theChristmas spirit.
You're just showing theChristmas spirit.
Thanks, david.
I like kind of this house,don't come over here, go talk to
me.

Mac Da Don (25:10):
Now, next to you know your back you get a back
injury.
Next to you know you're gonnaend up talking about yourself.
My y'all never wanna come andcheck over you.
You know I hurt.
Yeah, you know I love you.

T (25:18):
Yeah, no cause.
My wife wants to go see her momon the same day that she wants
to come see you and you neverliked her.
Yeah, Remember that it's roughcoming down there mom.

M (25:27):
Yes.

T (25:28):
Nobody wants to come to a rough situation on a Sunday
afternoon, just so we're clear.
It's too heavy, it's too heavy.

M (25:38):
It really is, and nobody seems to think about that.
All you wanna do is to use theobvious I'm your mama.
You should do this, okay, mama?
Fine, dandy, look at the Bible,the Bible that you go church to
every Sunday, and look at ityou have to refer to Every time
there were epithecies, the thirdchapter, 44 verse.

(26:00):
But put that goddamn shit.
Now it told you in that Biblesomewhere that once I married my
wife we are now one.
You see that.

T (26:10):
Nah, she missed it, no purpose.

M (26:12):
Yeah, she don't wanna talk about that.
What?

Mac Da Don (26:13):
if she don't even know what that look like.

T (26:15):
Oh, she was skipping, she was .

Mac Da Don (26:17):
She was flying around the Bible.
You know, it's a lot of agesyou gotta let your skin bleed.
She was flipping through it.
All right, I read pages onethrough seven.
Now I start on page 11 with thepage set 15.
It was just a lot of good going.

T (26:37):
I get the punch when she's trying to say but it's true,
that's true, that's a lot ofwords, that's it.
They miss a lot, you know.
But yeah, it just doesn't makesense.
It's like you, the person uptop, you know, because of how
the family is set up, right,you're the grand.
Absolutely so you a little bithigher up.

(26:59):
So for you to be binging downand hitting on you know the
spouse who's the new person toenter into the family is like
that's not right.
I was like I'll work out for youlater on in life.
Man.

M (27:11):
You should be as a grandma, as someone who's an elder, we
should come to you for wisdomand guidance and understanding.
I know people personally nopeople who couldn't stand that
grandparents In fact got to apoint where they say let's go to
dinner oh shit, she's stillliving.
Oh shit, literally.

(27:32):
Yes, she's still living, god Iam.
She was such a critical personthat every time they came around
it was either you know, baby,you married, you still fat, they
mean everything is small andthey want you because you ugly,

(27:53):
and so again, you know it's allsudden the best talk about kind
of crazy shit to you and now yougoing to take this shit my mama
used to bring me to.
I had no choice.
I was 10.
I'm 45 years old.
I don't need to come fuck tofuck with you, no more.

T (28:10):
And 45 still, grandma.

M (28:13):
Oh, I don't have a grandma like that, thank goodness, and
nobody should have a grandmalike that, because that's
fucking rough.
And when I got you.

Mac Da Don (28:21):
So a friend of mine, his grandmother's still alive.
She had a couple of healthissues recently, but you know
she's still up.
But here's the dating that'sgone for the better part of a
year and a half, almost twoyears, and so I asked him.
I said, hey, you know, has shemet your family?
He said, oh yeah, you know,we've met each other's families.
You know we've hung out, youknow, done dinner and shit like
that.
Blah, blah, blah, blah.

(28:41):
He's.
So she's pretty much everybody.
But my grandmother and I waslike, hmm, I said she, she,
that's the only person you thinkshe's ever met.
Yeah.
And I say, uh, is she notadmittable to your girl?
Does she not like your girl?
It's the girl of the same race.

T (29:01):
That's the problem.
Yeah, no, Grandma's before thelot.

Mac Da Don (29:03):
Grandma, grandma, races, yeah, no, no.
That's the problem, that's theculture, your grandmother came
from?

T (29:09):
No, it doesn't matter.

Mac Da Don (29:11):
I'm sorry, there's a lot of grandmothers that are
just.

T (29:14):
You know, they're a lot of races, but just like a little
bit.
Yeah, he was like.

Mac Da Don (29:20):
I don't want to put an unnecessary strain on my
relationship.
He said introduce her to mygrandmother.
And then she said so I shouldall of a mouth in there.
Now I gotta fight the pill.
You can see me that I haven'tmet her stepfather.
We're different races, so hedon't like people who like me
and my grandmother just don'tlet it like nobody else.

(29:43):
Wow, so they have made it aconscious choice between each
other.
I'm not going to meet yourfather, you're not going to meet
my grandmother.
We cool, wow, yeah, I'm coolwith that, you're cool with that
.

M (29:55):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Mac Da Don (29:55):
That's a trade-off Like how do we mitigate this?
And I was like, yeah, you canintroduce her, but I'm like I
don't know how I'm going todisrespect your grandmother
because you're going to dietomorrow.
Yeah, that's true, Right.
Just because she's had healthissues, she's older, but what
you don't want to do isintroduce her to your girl Now.
You, y'all let's see y'all in abit marry that five-year-old,
she won't even buy you agrandmother.

(30:16):
You know, they never liked it.
She always thought she was shitor that.
One time she met her she calledher a insert thing here, and
now she met that's true.

M (30:24):
And now you say the old grandmother.

Mac Da Don (30:26):
This then yes, this.
Then she got, she got caught inthe hook.
No roses, no more.
But yeah, now you're every daystart over because of one
decision to introducegrandmother because she's
important to me.
She's got my other brother andsister spouses?
Yeah, but your brother andsister spouses look like your

(30:47):
brother and your sister.
You're the one who won't gooutside and find the other.

M (30:51):
Yeah, well, you found you got the other guys for other come
with yeah.
You got the other comes withyes.
That's a virtue statement,that's fair.
So you got to be very, verycareful about all that.
You know and you know.

T (31:06):
It could also be the economic classes.

M (31:12):
Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah, yes, yes.

T (31:17):
Don't try to mix those two easily and just all willy nilly
like that just slides over tooeasy.

M (31:22):
It doesn't, it don't, it doesn't, it really don't.

T (31:24):
Some families do not play that.
No, excuse me, who you broughtup in here?
No, where you know them from, Idon't know you won't.

M (31:34):
But I love her mama.
Come on now.
No, I was loving the world, Imean we.
You find her from what?
What?
Southwest, Southwest, East,South, Southern?

T (31:43):
I don't give a damn.
Get out of here what they saidon the bottom.
You said your girlfriend inhere.
No manners, it's bourbon.
No, no class joints, uh-uh.

M (31:54):
D.

T (31:54):
Some people not doing it.

M (31:56):
No.

T (31:57):
So, yes, the races and the classes, you gotta be careful.

Mac Da Don (32:00):
Oh, I just feel like it, you should do your family.

T (32:04):
Like you know you know, right , you just try them Right.
That's my thing.
I gotta know the family.

Mac Da Don (32:09):
Don't, don't, don't say it's just your sponsor for
family.
Yeah, you know your family, oneof them people that up and he's
all like, oh, get out.
And I get the mentality of like, okay, I don't want to hide my
spouse from my family becausethey're like I love my spouse
and like my family might becritical of him, and so, you
know, let's just a spouse fight.
But, like you know, I was justbought.
I had to come in there and Ithink I was fighting.
Hey, let's say I fuck around me.

(32:31):
Yeah, white girl, mm-hmm, andlike we cool, all right, I'll
put your house.
And you got your grandfatherstill alive, your great
grandfather still alive.

M (32:39):
It was in the fucking war it was they had niggas, I'm going
to be no better.

T (32:44):
I said the conversation, I got ahead, not a familiar house.
Hey, let me talk to you.

Mac Da Don (32:50):
No, what's your name ?
Come in, boy.
I'm looking at the old ass manwho can't even.
You're in a wheelchair withsome oxygen.
Tell him I said come here, boy.
If I pitch your shit we'll blowit If you really see a light.

T (33:04):
you call an e-boy Because you set me up to say I'm looking
for your house and I got tofight.

Mac Da Don (33:10):
And now, just what's going to happen now when we get
home?
You and I got to fight.
Yeah, because you set me up.

M (33:16):
You knew that was going to happen when I came to your house
.

Mac Da Don (33:18):
I thought there was going to be an other day on the
best dance.
Assume your family's going tobe the niggas that you see every
day.

T (33:24):
Sometimes that love high make you think certain things don't
work, that's not going to work,and sometimes introducing them
to the family might be one ofthem.
So just sometimes, I don't know, there is a little bit of a
high that comes with the love.
That makes you a little bitdelusional, just a little delulu
.

M (33:43):
I feel you.
But there's a point.
Will you know, your family'sI'm going to use the word
dysfunctional At some leveldysfunctional.

T (33:52):
You've normalized it, don't forget that.
So you don't actually know,because it's your normal.

M (33:56):
It's your normal.
But you know that touch byangel, you know, you know
they're a little touch.

Mac Da Don (34:03):
If you could look so familiar and, objectively said,
like if somebody was to comefrom the outside of him, I had
me right now.
They would find ABCDEdysfunctional.

T (34:11):
Yeah, legistically speaking, you didn't know.
Look at outside of him.
But that's my family.

Mac Da Don (34:16):
He's like, what the shit we deal with, yeah?
And I was like, look, if I metsomebody, they were like oh, my
brother, my sister, me, myhealth, I need to go over here.
That's weird to me.
I don't have brothers andsisters.
So me saying, okay, I get oneday, you know, I'll get off my
parents too, you know.
You say, you say my brother'ssister called, my brother's wife

(34:38):
called and she had with thekids.
So I'm going to go over theretonight.
What?
Let me take a little kiss, I'mgoing to be with my brother out
on vacation.
Okay, well, she signed up to me.
With the niggas who go onvacation, I'm going to buy a car
Now you got to go out there andhelp her, but that's what no
one for people is Like.

(34:58):
Oh, I should be able to call my, my, my sister in law.

T (35:00):
She come over here and help take care of the kids.
Yeah, I'm like I need to getsome kids.
I don't know that.
No, don't say fuck that, Causewe need help.
Say up see.
Say up see.
So it's just little shit likethat, yeah, girl.

Mac Da Don (35:12):
Yeah, some people love having a family over there
yeah.
Every Sunday we all gettogether and we do family dinner
.
You're not used to that.
Come on Sunday you watchfootball, exactly you never have
a family.

M (35:25):
Come here, I'm trying to get some of this.

Mac Da Don (35:26):
Yeah, you sit in here all of a sudden.

M (35:31):
Mama, sister, brother in law, Come here.
Where the fuck are they?

Mac Da Don (35:34):
coming from we're talking we're talking.

M (35:36):
Stop by and pick up something going back home.

T (35:38):
No, I'm like this is red zone on yeah.

Mac Da Don (35:43):
No, we don't watch the red zone.
No, it's kind of decent.
We just say, like I get to sithere and yell for my team.
Now I got Aussie sitting theretalking about so why is being
key change Cause?

M (35:53):
he's red zone.

Mac Da Don (35:54):
Red zone means that, means every it's seven hours of
commercial free.
You know what I'm saying?
Shit.

T (35:59):
No, I'm not, I'm just saying why you doing this.
I'm just saying why you doingthis, you're not saying anything
Come here Come here.

M (36:08):
You're not saying anything.
You're mad.
You go in the bedroom I'm goingto bed.
When they in the bed Like comehere, Fuck on me.

T (36:13):
Regular.
I don't know what's the problem.
Yeah, I'm auntie.
That's so weird.

M (36:23):
There were you there and he's looking yeah, okay, yeah, get
your next time, not next week,next time sometime, whatever
that is down the road, way downthe road, so but wait a minute,
you know and you try to.
You try to.
When you try to work around,you try to say, okay, it's like
a bad piece of bread, like youhungers hell.
But you know that corner breadlike a little moldy, but you

(36:44):
ain't got no more mold, but yougot a lot.
You know you ain't got no morebread, but you got.
I'm going to cut that littlemoldy part off.

T (36:49):
Yeah.

M (36:50):
I'm going to cut that off and leave that aside.
So I'm going to go to the house, know I'm avoiding certain
things, certain conversations,because we're going to get too
deep, because I want her askingquestions.

T (36:59):
No, I should get crazy and certain you know that you can
control the conversations thatwomen are going to have or that
men are going to have.

M (37:05):
Yeah, you really can't, because you can't, you can't
Because women One good jab Onegood jab.

T (37:10):
I mean, my nephew bought a girl over and she didn't even
make it to the door and mysister jabbed her.
I said all the kids came in ohmy God, I'm too so embarrassed.
And oh my, she's so.
And I was like where's the girlat?
The girl ain't even making itin the house.
Yet the girl didn't even.
She didn't even make it in thehouse.
We all know we got at least oneloose cannon in the family.

M (37:33):
Yes, god damn it.
Yes, that is very God damn true, very true, you know, and you
know, these are things that youknow.
You have to take an account whenyou bring it in someone outside
in, because you know of coursethey're going to look at them
and say how the hell did you getfrom them?
Because you as well, you knowthey're different and that's the

(37:55):
whole thing.
You have to be.
That chain is going to breakthe madness.
You may be a person.
You know everybody is asked thesame way.
You're like I don't have to, Iwant to do something different.
So you're going to, you're goingto live differently, you're
going to think differently.
Did I go on the stand?
Because they're like we werealways thinking and doing the
same thing you doing, so you'redown the black sheet.

(38:16):
So of the family, so now youknow, you got to say you have to
take that, pick it in the chest.
See, I'm going to be thatperson going to take all the
bullets.
I'm going to take all thatbecause I have to, and then
you're the one who's going tomake a change, not in their
lives, obviously, but in yourlife.
So if you happen to like adifferent type of thing that
they don't like, I don't reallycare.
If you don't like, I like totea, and I have to accept that.

(38:37):
And you're going to have toaccept it, because if not, then
you won't see me that often,because why would I put my
significant other, my spouse ormy girlfriend through Bullshit?
Because you feel you should bewith this person?
Well, you should be with thatperson.
This person makes me happy,this person who I'm going to
spend my life with.
And Lord, don't bring kids intothe mix, cause then the kids go
.
You know, I'm going to be like.

(38:58):
I'm going to be like I lovewhat you're saying to the micro
Cause, then the kids coming tomix.
Now you're going to burn ahouse down cuz.

T (39:05):
That depends on how you are able to take care of the.

M (39:07):
Oh God, a Pants.
You know, baby, and you'relooking likeheads.
You know what the baby made?
It just past gas.
We just maybe spelled dirty.
No, no, no, no, cuz that's,that's how you get your house

(39:29):
set on fire.
You fuck around the kids likeme, I'm gonna go, she's the dope
, but the baby oh you surethat's your baby?
It look, don't look like you.

T (39:39):
Like hurry what we do, got do like what we call like a facial
DNA.

M (39:53):
See, they do, thinking they saw the sculls, got in their
closet, they part.

T (40:02):
That's why they're saying that maybe why they are saying
it.
Let's just be clear has nothingto do with you.

M (40:08):
Yeah, that's there.
Yes, absolutely you know, butit's just you know.
You know we can't.
You know the things you sing,think we're talking, but you
have to apply to your ownpersonal life.

T (40:23):
Okay, what about the three thousand bucks?

Mac Da Don (40:26):
Okay no, no, that was great.
A 100% USDA choice cap.

T (40:35):
That did not read three thousand books.
Okay, no, it's near the threethousand.

(40:58):
Okay, they celebrate if thekids do 100 for the school year.
Now, granted, I think that myman's this say that he was not
in a traditional school betweenthose ages right.
And I'm not trying to saywhether it was fact or fiction,
but he did make me sit down withmyself and say damn, he made me

(41:20):
feel like I was doing a littleunderachieving.

Mac Da Don (41:28):
The only way to obtain knowledge was to
specifically read.

T (41:35):
I know what you're trying to do here.
Okay, you're trying to save thekids.

Mac Da Don (41:39):
Oh no, I'm not Kids is reading okay, I'm not saying
that I'm saying is you can reada whole bunch of shit.

T (41:51):
And that's what I'm saying.

Mac Da Don (41:55):
Yeah, you can read good shit and not read three
thousand.
No, how do you read threethousand books?
Yeah, goodbye, I.

(42:35):
I.

T (43:06):
Ten pages.
You bring it in the tutorbecause we just got to stop.

(43:40):
They should.
I don't like it.
And they read the multiplelanguages, so he has to add it,
that part there, oh.

Mac Da Don (43:51):
What german?
Is a cr Warren shot Truelanguages.

(44:30):
What?

T (45:02):
much younger, about the same age range.
Right, we had we sat to read inthe mornings because school day
was super long and then he hadsoccer practice.
And he had.
You know, he was just had abusy day so we didn't get
everything done in the evenings.
So, yeah, he had to read in themornings and he'd say he was
saved by the bus.

Mac Da Don (45:22):
I knew he wasn't.

M (45:23):
Oh God.

Mac Da Don (45:24):
Because, imagine waking up first thing in the
morning, you sitting there likeI'm not even trying to explain
it, Somebody's having a book offunny while you eat cereal.

T (45:30):
That's it.
It's the best, it's the beststories ever.

Mac Da Don (45:35):
See, I saw the look and look.
It's all love when I say this.
My mother would have been.
We fought a lot growing up andI ain't do nothing of that.
We fought a lot and I ain't donothing of that.

T (45:46):
So I can only imagine.
I can only imagine we had thisshit.
Oh God.
I tell you how the year goesBecause we had the year just
started, right?
So I'm gonna tell you how theyear goes with that.

M (45:57):
Yeah, please I got to know.

Mac Da Don (45:58):
I want to know how many kids, how many books we had
about that year.
We're gonna keep tabs.

M (46:02):
Yes, we're gonna keep tabs on them.

Mac Da Don (46:04):
In December we're gonna talk about it again.

M (46:05):
Yeah, because I Like cat.

Mac Da Don (46:08):
Now we had kids read two, three books a day.
Now it makes even a thousand.
So how the hell did you know?
I want to know.
I just want to share this withyou?

M (46:18):
Yeah, that was like.

T (46:19):
That was just amazing.
There was something that was alittle bit.
It was a lot of books and I Alot of cat.
I don't even know what youwould have found, all them books
.
How you want to be able to runout of books every year.
That's an 80.

M (46:33):
That's a lot.
I got damn books.
That's a lot of books.

Mac Da Don (46:36):
You didn't live in a library.
You said you was at home, sodid you just have a library in
your house.

T (46:40):
It was maybe the missionaries had libraries.

Mac Da Don (46:42):
I don't know, you know what?
What he probably was readingbooks.
He probably put in the mufflerson my desk.
Oh, it's a book.
This book says why are theresome microphones?
All right, that's one book read.
This book says microphones.
All right, that's book numbertwo.
Is this USB cord?
That's book number three I'mjust trolling, but like also,
we're not shitting like cat.
Didn't read three thousandbooks.

(47:03):
It was called USB, but you arecorrect, you should want to
experience your educationoutside of the classroom.

M (47:09):
I think that if there's nothing else, we're going to
bring on.

Mac Da Don (47:10):
It's changing kids' education outside of the
classroom.

M (47:13):
Absolutely.

Mac Da Don (47:13):
How do you kids read a book?
How do you kids Like here we?

T (47:16):
go.
I got you.
I'm not going to listen to thatkid.
I got to get out of the fightbecause I'm not going to listen
to that kid.
We're back, we won.
I'm going to listen to this kidright there.

Mac Da Don (47:27):
Make some shit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't eatthat, but no, no, they ain't
doing that.
But, like, use somethingoutside of class, find something
that's actually interested inand provide both.
Provide materials to allow yourkids to grow their brain
outside of the nine to five.
Yeah, because I guarantee you,not because I don't attend the
reason why kids don't ever feelinspired or never want to go to
college after finishing schoolBecause they don't know what the

(47:50):
fuck you want to cause for.

T (47:52):
Oh man, if you could say that shit again, you have no clue
what the fuck you want to cause,for you have no other.

Mac Da Don (47:58):
All you know is what you were taught every single
day.
You're like no, this shit isinteresting.
There was no projects going on,there was nothing that made you
really kind of sting yourself.

T (48:08):
Yes, you weren't a part of the actual school, like grooming
, you were just there.

M (48:13):
Yes, you were just there, yes , you were never a part of it.

T (48:18):
So yeah, we do need to kind of jump in with our children's
education and put some hands inand maybe open up their eyes to
all types of things.

Mac Da Don (48:27):
There's so many things nowadays that can make
money.
There's so many things that,like, don't even require you to
use your hands.
That would actually not onlypay you well, but take care of
you.

M (48:37):
Mm, hmm.

Mac Da Don (48:38):
Electricians are is a huge job.

M (48:41):
Plumbers.

Mac Da Don (48:42):
Plumbers Huge job Everybody needs.
How many times the toll isgoing up Period?
How many times you see thebroken toll sign and they're
like damn, I don't know if it'stotally because they need to fix
it.
Yep, everybody says, oh, that'sa meaning job, it's a smelly
job that makes a lot of goodmoney.

M (48:58):
A lot of good money.

Mac Da Don (48:59):
I mean everybody can't do like the clean hand, no
, but by the same focus At homejob.
Like some people just aren'tgoing with their brains, some
people are better with theirhands.
So the thing for me is thatwhen, when I graduated college,
by the time I graduated college,like half of the people I
started with didn't even Ididn't, I started school with

(49:20):
one even there, because theyeither failed out or transferred
or something.
But a lot of the issues with thepeople who left were saying
that I didn't even know what thehell I wanted to do.
And then I went to communitycollege for two years.
You know, I went to a full year, had no clue what I wanted to
do and I'm wasting money, yeah,yeah.
But if somebody told you likehey, like would you, are you

(49:41):
using your hands?
Like like here's how setting upa and that system looks like,
is what plumbing looks like,that's how you would do pipes or
whatever, learning somethingelse is outside of the nine to
five or, I guess, seven to twoclass day.

T (49:57):
That might just oh or like a plan which you've actually
learned is something interestingof the regular every day.

Mac Da Don (50:07):
Like that was cool.
I was like that was likewhatever.
Now I like learn algebra.
And then learning algebra wascool.
I'm still the way.
I like math.
Then we learned statistics andwhen I learned statistics it was
like everything kind of fellinto place because, like, oh,
learning the public and whythings occur was interesting to

(50:28):
me, so that was like the thing,that kind of like oh, this all
kind of pushed me into.
Oh, I'm going to kind of enjoymath because, realistically,
like you look at statistics, youlook at mobile, whatever it
should mean to take stats for meto really enjoy math as a
subject.
You don't like reading and thenyou do history.
You have a history class.
You don't get for my Englishhistory Not actually I'm not

(50:51):
doing none of it.
I like it.
Now, that's fun, now that'sinteresting.
I don't want to do it.
But those things aren'tnecessarily like what you would
go to school for.
You might go to school forhistory.
You might go to school to write.
Well, you might go to schoolbecause you want to do it.
You might go to school becauseyou want to dance.
You might go to school becauseyou really got to playing a

(51:12):
sport, you really got to playinginstruments.
Whatever the case may be,there's a lot of good things
that kids can do nowadaysoutside of the school day that
would allow them to expand theiractual skill set so that they
can go out.
To those who want to be wellrounded individuals, we don't
expand the skill set of kids.

(51:33):
We make them go through theschool day and say, as long as
you do well in school, you'refine, and then you try to go
outside and they just are likewe thought you'd be a well
rounded individual.

T (51:43):
They're not experienced much.
You haven't done anything.

Mac Da Don (51:46):
You haven't tried anything.
But now you're 18 years old andsomebody's telling you you're
an adult yes, you still need togo make a big decision, and yet
you don't know anything.

M (51:56):
Yeah, and the biggest thing people feel realized is schools
were set up by John DRockefeller and if you go back,
I want people to go back andlook at how modern schools
develop.
They want to train workers.
They didn't want to.
They didn't want to train youto think.
You didn't want to thinkers.
We don't want thinkers, we wantworkers.
So this back in 1900s.

(52:16):
So basically we're still doingnow in 2024 with a lot of people
, but they started back in 1902.
And in fact, I'll bring it nexttime so you can see some stuff
on it.
That that's why it hasn'tchanged, because you look around
, Wait a minute, everything ischanging around, but the school
is still the same.
You're still doing the sameshit and these kids are coming

(52:39):
out of school.

Mac Da Don (52:39):
That's what you teach you can't tell how to do
taxes at 16, because a lot ofpeople can work Underage, 56
years old.
Yep you go get a job and likemake money and have to pay taxes
, you don't have to pay taxesand somebody teaches you like
hey, how about checkbook?
How to write a check, how towrite a check, how to physically
sit down and write each line ona check.

(53:01):
These are functional, adultthings that everybody would need
to know in some way, shape orform someday.

T (53:09):
But if your ass is that red, more books about finances.

M (53:15):
But then again you're right.

Mac Da Don (53:18):
How would you mind if we had a finance book?

T (53:20):
I mean you would assume there's some on your parents
bookshelf.

Mac Da Don (53:24):
You have a finance book for your bookshelf.

M (53:26):
What's he?
You're different.

T (53:31):
So, that's the point I do have a little bookshelf and I
have a lot of old taxes, exactly.
So you keep tax.

Mac Da Don (53:42):
We're especially in business.

T (53:44):
People are texting stuff like that to kind of amaze yourself
of like why you do yeah, so yougotta yeah, yeah, you and I get
that, I keep, I have a lot of mystuff over the years and so I
might get to benefit forsomething like that.

Mac Da Don (53:56):
Mm, hmm, and that's something that I always kept in
mind Like keep your tax, because, even if it's 20 years old,
business, business, businessthat's the same information you
know.
They need to be in new addition, different author.

T (54:08):
Yeah, chapter added chapter.
Exactly, it's the same.
It's the same book, Exactly.

Mac Da Don (54:13):
I can send my kids 20 years from now to the same
classes that I told for the samebook.
Absolutely.

M (54:18):
Yeah.

T (54:18):
Absolutely.
The way you balance youraccounting side is still going
to be the same.

M (54:22):
Like it is never changed and the problem is it's a society.
We're not doing what's best forthe kids because all these kids
are coming out.
You know how many kids come outand can't read at all.

T (54:35):
At all.
Well, you see the situations inBaltimore.

M (54:38):
Yes, yes.

T (54:40):
Just the name one major city.

M (54:41):
Yes.

T (54:42):
Like that is catastrophic.

M (54:44):
And what happens, people, that these kids can't read?
No, it goes further than that,because what you're doing is you
now look at, you're looking atthe print, the school, the
prison pipeline, because if yougo out of school you can't read,
you can't get a job.
You can't get a job, you haveto survive.
You have no skills.
What are you going to do?

T (55:03):
So that's the end product.
The effect of what you'vecreated in your little factory
was a kid who couldn't read, andis everybody in the community
problem?

M (55:13):
And then because the other thing I found out recently that
prison is a multi-trilliondollar business.

T (55:22):
Oh, did you.
When did you find that?

M (55:23):
out A couple of weeks ago.
It was like some.

T (55:25):
KFC and the fast food situation down south.

M (55:32):
No, no, no, it was, I didn't know that was happening.

T (55:35):
Just so we're clear.
I didn't know they was makingobvious.

M (55:38):
Listen, I mean, they Bill Gates, one of the world's
wealthiest men, on a largepercent of a prison, a private
prison industry, two of them, infact.
Now I just have to question whywould one of the wealthiest men
in the world invest a lot ofmoney in private prisons?

T (56:05):
Well, so it makes a nice amount of money.

M (56:09):
And think about it.
You want a business that'sgrowing.
People want to put their moneyand some of their money going to
constantly turn around and ifyou look around just how schools
and how it was going on withpeople in general, people are
committing crime because that'sa chance to find money because
they outsource it from thegovernment, like the government
will outsource it, you know,like we need facilities because

(56:30):
we have enough people, we gottoo many people put in here and
we need to put them somewhereelse, so then they ship them to
these private prisons down south, mind you.
And the thing is you got tokeep them full, because the
thing is I have to keep themfull in order to keep this
moving and operating.

T (56:45):
So how do you so this is different from a state prison.

M (56:49):
They can.
They can ship them down thereand then you can.
It's a entire.
That's another thing on theside that we have discussed, but
it's money, yes nothing aboutthis Right I mean Bill.

T (57:00):
Gates, but like the most superficial bits of this.

M (57:04):
Oh wait, what you look at Bill Gates and he owns the two
largest private prisons.
He is a large stockholder inthose prisons and when the man
has that kind of money and he'llput money in bullshit.
He put money in like newhousing development or nothing
like that.
He said I'm putting in prisonsbecause that means you will have
to keep people in there.

T (57:23):
Because we're concerned now about the rest.
Oh, yes.
Is there like zero risk,because it doesn't sound risky
at all.
It's a money graph that ifyou're tossing you know
significant amount of moneythere, then you know it's going
to give you a significant returnon the investment with a
minimum rest.

M (57:39):
Think about it.
You have a lot of hugecompanies that use prison labor
Because, again, you don't getpaid a sense of the dollar.
So if you're going to be inthere for 20 years, what else am
I going to do for 20 years?
Somebody go ahead and get somemoney out of this.
I can put something to mycomments there.
So I'm going to go ahead andmake these books or do what I
need to do.
That's why in federal governmentthey put a clause in there you

(58:00):
cannot use prison or contactconflict labor to do with their
work.
It's explicitly in governmentcontracting work.
Because if that's the case,then I'm going to get go to
Jessup or any other place.
Hey, didn't you hire like 10 ofthese dudes do this work?
Pay them $2 an hour.
I'm going to go, and maybe $400an hour, peer, apart from me,

(58:20):
and I can just give you $2 tothe state or to the prison to
take care of you.
You don't want that, that'swhat.
And that cuts out everybodyelse like us who want to get a
job.
Because why pay me 50 grand?
I can pay a prison who's injail for 20 years $2 an hour.
So all this is part of theoverall system that nobody
really understands.
So when you say we always saykids fail while they're failing,

(58:42):
how are kids graduating and notlearning how to read or know
how to do taxes, know how to?

T (58:48):
do a lot of job application or college application, so what?

M (58:53):
have you been doing?
We spent a whole lot of money,shitload of money in education.
Every year they ask for a wholelot of money in education and
these kids are no smarter thanthey were 30 years ago.

T (59:01):
I thought every child was attached to a dollar amount per
year.

M (59:04):
Hmm, it's just supposed to be .
But okay, come on, it's stillain't helping them.
So you know.
So you get a cat who in Ohio.
I can imagine how their schoolsystems are I mean our school
system here in Maryland prettydamn good Compared to yes.
So he couldn't.
He dingled school.
He left when he was like but 13, 14, he got out, he dropped out

(59:24):
of school.
So I mean he had to survive.
He even said he's on thestreets.
He was like you know, that'swhy he never used drugs.
You know, because we talk aboutall those people that stopped
using drugs.
He said that's why I never usedrugs.
He said I use marijuana but Inever use anything else.
He said the people I've been onthe streets, everybody.
They start off top of the worldand use drugs.
They're on the streets.

T (59:45):
That's the thing about people who are on drugs.
They honest a lot.
You find a lot of honest.
Yes, they ruin my life.

Mac Da Don (59:54):
That's what you should be by the time you fall.

T (59:56):
Yeah, I'm all the way down at the bottom.
You're honest.
Say how I need to be lying forwho you a little, who you
talking to in the breath, heythat's not funny.

Mac Da Don (01:00:05):
You're the couple in my stream.
Impressive, be honest.
That's so true.
You're the man in the middle.
You're the man in the middle.
You're the man in the middle.
You're the man in the middle.
You're the man in the middle.
You're the man in the middle.

M (01:00:13):
You're the man in the middle.

Mac Da Don (01:00:14):
In the middle, guys, come fast, you're your nanny.

M (01:00:30):
They don't like you Was on drugs, all their life, say you
know what I start with a kidwith dreams and hopes and I got
on that crack Whoo, I'm the bestcrack head the world.

Mac Da Don (01:00:49):
Shit, tony Montana, make it that, make it all like
that.
Now the movie care.

M (01:01:00):
You're not going to and it's innocent.
It's a setup for everyeverybody.
Drugs is a true setup foreveryone's failure.
Because that say no, the drugsis bullshit, because you get
drugs anywhere.
But you have to give peoplesome purpose.
And I think the cat he had tofind his purpose.
You know cuz he's out.
You know I want to be.

(01:01:21):
I realized he was a job witness.
He was like you know I want todo that.
Well, you know, I know youprobably know a little something
, something, something about youknow that type of you know it's

(01:01:44):
kind of like he had to behonest by by listening to him.
He had to find his purpose.

T (01:01:51):
I mean, you think about it, anyone who's that age?
No, just in general 13.
You use, you work, you workingon looking for yourself, right.

M (01:02:01):
Mm-hmm, I know who am I?

T (01:02:02):
you kind of coming into Asia security time, right, just so by
nature.
Absolutely, you're gonna try tofigure yourself out, but then
you want to add on the time andHaiti.
Yeah, your perspective is it'sa very broad view.

(01:02:24):
Yes, you've seen people from alot of different lights.
We're gonna assume thatAmerican porn, at the same as 84
.

M (01:02:34):
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.
We complain a lot about, about,you know, the poor.
But yeah, until you see thepoor in these other countries.

T (01:02:44):
I don't think it looks the same.
Oh, no so you know, you, just Ijust think about that Like
that's one heck of a perspectiveto be, and then be like, oh, to
feel like you feel moved tohave, you felt moved to leave,
right, yeah, no, I was 13 and Ifelt like that's what you're
supposed to do at that age.

M (01:03:07):
Yeah, go school.

T (01:03:20):
Amazing, don't get me wrong, but that was one heck of a
theory that he did.
I think he said Was that hisreckoning from Jesus's walk,
walk through life?

M (01:03:29):
I don't, I think yeah, he was talking about Jesus, for.

Mac Da Don (01:03:32):
Jesus.

T (01:03:33):
Yeah.

Mac Da Don (01:03:34):
Yeah, I think he said he was to, his aspiration
was to be God's best friendMm-hmm, I think, was the term
that he used, and because ofthat that was a lot kind of who
dictated why he quote-unquotedid things and didn't do things
or whatever.
So yeah.

M (01:03:59):
And he did.
And you know the amazing thinghe talked about, which is like
who's beautiful to me?
He helped people.
He took you know, he gavepeople money and he didn't just
say you see, such time I gaveyou money, he's game money and
he said nothing about it.
But people come on, he helpedme with this.
He gave me 15,000 or some.
I was on, I forgot, I don'tknow boots.
Yes, so my say, he gave me this, getting out of money for this.

T (01:04:21):
But he never told about it Like and not to say even
bragging on him or just shoutingthem out, but he just mentions
it.
Yes so even before you know,this interview came out.
Yes, right.

Mac Da Don (01:04:48):
People who are like, oh, we were blessed, but like
we kept it close to the bestbecause he cut the clothes in
the back, yeah, and it's kind ofwhat was quick or cool, like
you ain't saying I know.
Yeah, I think to me the biggestthing of that that conversation
was not that he was so given,but that he Did it without
thinking and I think Even what'sthat further to say, he did it

(01:05:11):
without the need for Agulationthere you go and a lot of times
people, when they do good things, they want to tell you these
are the good things they've done.
That's one thing if you havesomething where, like, you have
to go sit there at some eventand show your face and say, hey,
you know I'm the guy doing thisbecause this is what they want
you to do.
But sometimes people just youknow, hey guys, I gave to SPCA

(01:05:34):
the local SPCA here's thescreenshot of me Given a hundred
two hundred, three thousand,three thousand, whatever the
month that you gave you know,just want to share it so I can
show it to all my friends andaspire this bullshit.
She's one of special, thefucking back you like it a heart
on your fucking paper pages.
You some bitch.

M (01:05:57):
I knew it was coming.
I knew it was gonna come.

T (01:06:01):
You want to.

Mac Da Don (01:06:02):
You want the high fives in the past.
On the back, I mean I don't wantthat ever was there flowers if
it wasn't a while.
But she wants your flowersdoing for something that you
actually gave back.
Just because you, you did acharitable act, charity
Inherently shouldn't be givingyou anything other than the good
feeling, your spirit.
Not necessarily you meaneverybody to co-sign your shit.

(01:06:22):
Everybody's co-sign your, yourcharitable gift by following up
behind you and pay you on yourback.
Was it really charity?
Or you just want to have areason for people to cheer for
you?

M (01:06:33):
see and that's my problem, because I'm gonna say this in my
entire life people help me.
I never asked for help, neverwanted to ask you my for help.
People help me.
And I kept saying was like,when I get to position, help
someone else.
So my life, my life, I'vehelped a lot of people and I
never came say, listen, I'm puton IG, I'm putting here, doesn't

(01:06:55):
matter.
All I tell them do is like, whenyou see, when you get to a
position, when you help otherpeople, just help them, that's
it.
You'll know if they're the typeyou want to help, if they're
the type of just want to beg,and know if it's somebody out
there Really busting their assand going through a tough time,
help them, and then you'll getthose blessings down the road.
And to this day, I still getpeople calling me hey, you know
what?
I help somebody out and I justthought about what you did for

(01:07:19):
me 15 years ago or whatever Isaid great, that's all you need.
If you do that, then they'll dosomething for someone.
So there's no need to be outhere, pat yourself on the back
because you help some.
I just help the fucking person.
Don't go out there and have abig-ass card and everybody just
blow their horn and wave at meBecause I go oh hell might I am,
because he helped me know, justdo this shit, because this,

(01:07:40):
humanly, that's what you shoulddo help people.

T (01:07:46):
Like the show.
I always say that they're thepeople who are full Right like.
You can't even pour back intothose people, even if you wanted
to.

M (01:07:56):
Absolutely.

T (01:07:59):
Now what's like?
Flowing all out of them.

M (01:08:03):
Yes.

T (01:08:03):
Oh, to you now, yes you can't pour into them, even if you
wanted to.
Somebody try to pay you back.
He like I'm full.

Mac Da Don (01:08:14):
Because what I think about it, I was thinking like
the I don't know if you'veyou've seen it, but like the I
guess the arts, arctic art, artand art style with like glasses,
where there's like one cup ontop and then there's like two
cups below that and three cups.
What comes is like a pyramid ofcups and you just pour the
liquid in the top cup and youkeep pouring the liquid in the

(01:08:36):
top, cut the top, cut over flows, he drops into the next level,
those cups over fully drop tothe next level.
I guess that's really what Ithink life.

T (01:08:45):
Yeah, the top cup always is over.

Mac Da Don (01:08:50):
It's like, well, I can't hold this shit, so I Let
it go to the lesson.
People was flowing over.

T (01:08:57):
Yeah, that's the point of it.
Yes, yeah, before before youknow the same, before I give
away.
And so now that I'm in aposition to give away, I don't
need you to pour into me withpouring into me, it's gonna keep
on pouring.

M (01:09:14):
Absolutely integrity.
That and we, like we startedentire you know podcast talk
about cat Williams and again letme say the story is irrelevant.
The story is Relevant if you inthe gossip, but we're like when
using in real life situations.
So it's like telling peoplelearn the lessons.
Look at the gossip, you know.

T (01:09:37):
Come on.

M (01:09:41):
Yes.

T (01:09:43):
Shannon sharp did good, you know, kind of controlling the
interview and keeping thequestions going.
It was good for entertainingsake, but overall the moral of
the story there was one there-yes.
And that's what we're basicallysaying don't don't skip over
all those gems that were droppedjust for that entertainment
sake.
That was also present in that.

M (01:10:05):
Absolutely.
You know, and so, guys, I cansee it.
You know, look at, apply thisto your life.
You know, take it, look at,look at your life.
It's everybody's watching thispodcast got some bullshit going
in their life.
Everybody's, nobody's.
I have a perfect life,everything's going wonderful.
It's fucking not I.
You fucking don't.
We try to do is give yousuggestions on how to make your

(01:10:27):
life better.
So you know, take it, use it,pass it on wherever you need to
absolutely don't forget to passit on.
Yes, Just pass it on.
So you know, guys, with thatI'm in this episode on the mic
with the M.
Listen y'all again.
Hit that like button, subscribeto the channel, and next week

(01:10:49):
we're gonna have somediscussions on some big things
going on next year.
So until then, peace ofblessings.
See you later.