Navigating Age Gaps: The Complexities of Dating, Attraction, and Social Stigmas

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Have you ever found yourself at a family dinner where your uncle arrives with his new girlfriend who's suspiciously close to your age? It's a scenario that raises eyebrows and a multitude of questions, which we tackle head-on in our latest episode. Join us as we dissect the controversial topic of age in relationships, from the double standards faced by older women dating younger men to the stigmas of older men with much younger women. We'll share intimate family stories that reveal the potential for strife when age-gap relationships clash with societal norms, and discuss whether love truly knows no age—or if there's reason to be wary.

Navigating the choppy waters of age-gap relationships isn't without its perils, as I can personally attest from a friend's experience that was more a cautionary tale than a fairytale. This episode isn't just about the drama, though; it's an eye-opening discussion about cultural and generational divides, the relatability factor in partnerships with wide age differences, and the sometimes-harsh realities of dating across life stages. We're pulling no punches as we draw from the world of sports and entertainment to paint a vivid picture of how varying years can translate to contrasting experiences and expectations.

Ever wondered if that well-dressed individual at the bar is out of your league or simply playing it down to avoid unwanted advances? Our conversation veers into the complexities of dating for plus-size women, the psychology behind accepting less than you deserve, and the importance of body language in the art of attraction. We share tips on how to better signal your interest across the room with just a look, and muse on how wealth and attire play into the dynamics of attraction. Prepare to have your perspectives challenged and to walk away with a newfound understanding of the dating world's intricate dance.

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Episode Transcript

M (00:05):
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to on the mic with the M.
Very simple.
We're going to start this offthis way Men and women, we're
not equal, we'll never be equal.
So you can't do, we can't,y'all can't do, women can't do
what we do, because you do do it, you're going to look real

(00:26):
nasty out here in the pub of guy.
So if you're, let's say, 40years old and you decide to have
a baby by 22 year old, whenyour son is 21 years old, why
you, why you, why you.

T (00:38):
Okay, that's, that's how we're going to jump.

M (00:40):
Oh yeah, we're going to jump.

T (00:41):
Yeah, just jump right in.
Yeah, I'm just jumping right in.
Okay, no, just jump right on inthere.

M (00:45):
Yes, yes, because a 40 year old woman who has a baby by a 21
year old boy and have a 20 yearold son, that's not a good look
in society's eye.
A guy could be 40 years old andhave a baby by a 21 year old,
have a 20 year old.

T (01:01):
They say oh good for you.

Mac Da Don (01:03):
Different, different , different vibe, and he's not
going to give a fuck about whatthe dog got to say about it
either.
He's not going to care, he'snot.

T (01:11):
Let's just let's, let's just clarify that Not at all.

M (01:15):
He was the careless.
Oh no, that's.
And I've seen that before.
I saw a guy who was dating.
I think it was on one of thosetalk shows, or the guy.
The father was 41, the younglady was 22.
His daughter was 21.
And he told his daughter.
You know, the daughter gave himultimatum Either you get rid of
her or you can never talk to meagain.

T (01:37):
Yeah, we're not talking, no more.

M (01:38):
He said baby, we're not having that kind of conversation
because I am going to be withher and I'm going to talk to you
.
You're not giving me that kindof automated.

T (01:47):
They would.
They would leave, though A lotof them be like.
It's your choice, because I'mnot choosing to leave.
You're the one presenting thatultimatum.

M (01:56):
And that's what he told.
And he said I know you can getthat from your mama, because he
left the mama and the mama waslike you know, he never did this
, never did that.
He said okay, that's between us.
You pulled my daughter into it.
Now, mind, you hadn't seen thedaughter in a few years.
So she was like so you havemore love for this chick than me
and like, first of all, heloves her a totally different
way than he loves his daughter.
So, but you never thought twiceabout it.

(02:19):
You're like, okay, in 1940sshe's 20, she's grown and
reverse.
I like the thought I had a 20,21 year old son and he brought
in a 40 to your woman talkingabout the guy, and I'm like,
good God, my God, then you goschool with me.

(02:41):
Wow, I like you in school.
Since I can't get daddy, I'mgoing to get the sun.
Somebody asking with I'm notgoing to whip his ass, I'm going
to cuss his ass up.
Now Mama may whip her assbecause she goes to bitch.
We went to school together.
You going to talk to my son.
There's a problem, so it can'tbe equal.

Mac Da Don (03:02):
But I will say that that same today would occur if
you were a 40 year old man witha 12 year old daughter who had a
father was watching that shitBecause I'd be dead if my 21
year old daughter came to myhouse talking about, so my 40
year old boyfriend.

(03:22):
How many niggas going to beokay with a 21 year old daughter
coming into their house, right?

T (03:27):
into the house.
I'm not saying she lived alone.
Right, that's fair.

Mac Da Don (03:33):
Coming into my house and talking to my daughter.
You old ass nigga.

T (03:37):
So okay, let's be real here.
Normally the girl might lieabout this.

Mac Da Don (03:41):
She was right.
She's not going to tell youbecause she knows that's what's
going to happen.

T (03:46):
That's just being real.
Yeah, you know somebody's goingto have to slide in the party
and be like I don't even knowthat man's really 41.

M (03:55):
And you know somebody's going to have to lean in and tell the
lie Right, oh my God.
Truth about the lie, becauseyes, oh my God.

T (04:02):
He's going to doubt that age back in the year.
He's going to look good too, sohe could pass, or whatever age
you put out there.
Oh God, he was probably 41 andhe was like dang, he's only 28.
You might as well rather be 32.
Yeah, I'm not going to be 32.
I'm not going to be 32.
I'm not going to be 32.

Mac Da Don (04:12):
I'm not going to be 32.
I'm not going to be 32.
I'm not going to be 32.
I'm not going to be 32.

T (04:17):
He's going to be 32.
Oh my God, You're going to belike okay, kind of all right,
whatever, yeah.

Mac Da Don (04:23):
And then she, by which y'all could each other?
The next thing, you know, shekind of signed in one day like,
yeah, you know he's really 40.
Oh.

T (04:30):
God and because he loves his daughter right.

Mac Da Don (04:33):
And I'm known to nigga long enough.

T (04:34):
Yeah, I've been together for a minute.
You might as well, rather getaway with it.
Yeah, you can get away, but Idon't know if it's just
outlandish.
You just instantly walk in thefront door and hit my 40 year
old.

Mac Da Don (04:42):
Yeah, anything, I don't know, I don't know, I
don't know, I don't know, Idon't know if.
I'm just going to be in thefront door.
Here's my 40 year old.
Yeah, anything.
No Like if I bring a girl who's30, 40 years old home she's
going to at least look at she 35.
Yes, 34.
Yes, and I'm alive too, she is,she is, she's 34.
I'm bad at ages.
Anyway, she's 30 something, Ithink, and then you're asking.

T (05:04):
You got messed up with your own little mental space.
Yeah, I'm bad with ages anyway.
I'm bad with ages anyway.
Yeah, you do.

Mac Da Don (05:09):
You got to start lying to yourself.
Yeah, you do.
I don't see no close feet, fuckyou.
You told mom.

M (05:14):
Wow, oh, great hair.
And again, that's the doublestandard.
Because if my daughter comingwith a dude 40, he look, he, he
survived.
I mean kill him.
I mean go outside and beat hisass.
What the fuck are you here withmy daughter for?

T (05:28):
I mean, but also I don't want to say the dads aren't present,
but sometimes it's not like astrong male present, right, that
is true.
You want an older male orsomething.
Some women just like older men.
Let's just be real there.

Mac Da Don (05:43):
They just you know, but they do.

M (05:45):
But, not some women do.

T (05:48):
Like they don't want to entertain younger, like no.
Wow At no point in theirjourney.
Do they want like a male theirage?
Wow, they don't want it.
They like older men.
Yeah, okay, that's the thing.
Okay, that's the thing, wow.

Mac Da Don (06:03):
I told you the story when I was in high school.
This girl, she was 16 and shehad a 24 year old boyfriend, and
I thought it did.
I even said it to her.
I said doesn't it feel kind ofcurious to you that he's 24
years old and he thinks that,like damn?
You know what I really want?
I'm going to be a 16 year oldgirl.

T (06:25):
Oh, my God.

Mac Da Don (06:26):
See just a little.
Of course you don't know typeshit.
Like you know, I'm special,whatever, whatever bullshit that
young girls believe that youcan play it off with Right.
I saw her.
I want to say maybe three yearsafter he graduated, no, two

(06:46):
years after we graduated, andbecause when we graduated they
were still together.
Two years later.
I talked to her and I saidhow's your relationship going?
She said, yeah, we broke upbecause I realized that, like I
need to like grow as a personand like I've been with him for
so long that it was just time tomake a change.
And in my mind I thought, oh,because you're as I fucked up.

(07:06):
He was that you were 16 and hewas 24, trying to acknowledge.
Yes, because now he's 28.

M (07:11):
Oh God damn 29.

Mac Da Don (07:13):
Oh Lord, and you're now 20 and recognizing that
seems kind of fucked up.

T (07:18):
And weird, weird, weird, weird.

M (07:21):
Yes, like, because you're 16 years old.

T (07:25):
No, you didn't have nobody else to raise to talk to.

Mac Da Don (07:28):
You didn't want to, because for some reason, a lot
of women, as you have seen, fallfor the oh well, he's got, he's
got, he's got, he's got.
And the other guys might age.
God yeah, because bitch is 16.
None of the niggas got nothinganyway.

M (07:42):
That's true.

Mac Da Don (07:42):
We just had a lot to work a year ago.

M (07:44):
Yeah, fuck you home.
That is true, and you have toalso think about this what would
a 24 year old guy want a 16year old girl?

Mac Da Don (07:52):
Well, parents are school with the shit.
That's the nigga.
He is in your house eatingdinners and shit.
I'm just saying I'm not talkingabout the fucking election, I'm
just saying, I'm just saying,I'm just saying, I'm just saying
, I'm just saying, I'm justsaying You're not having a shock
, that you're shocked, I'mshocked because let me tell you

(08:13):
why I was so shocked Growing upknowing how they were back then.

M (08:18):
If you bought it up, somebody didn't know or somebody like
did they go to school with you?
And you're like oh, no, no,they didn't go to school, then
you never grade and you makesomebody like, oh, she go to
college, college or freshman orno, no, she a senior.

Mac Da Don (08:30):
First thing was to graduate to college.
Oh my God.

M (08:37):
The niggas passed college Niggas had a job.
That's even worse.
Niggas had a career.

Mac Da Don (08:42):
God damn, and don't forgive me, listen, people, I
don't mean to call her this, butI'm just saying it.

T (08:49):
This bitch just she just got out of Pamela's ass week.
She's so weird.

Mac Da Don (08:53):
I'm just saying Like what the fuck there's no
correlation between you andniggas.
Oh my God.

T (09:00):
Oh, my God what was the show that he turned on for his little
sister.

Mac Da Don (09:04):
His little sister was two years younger than you.
Oh my God.
So I'm sitting here.
You and my sister could be bestfriends, you and my baby sister
, who's on my hip like this.

T (09:16):
No, no, love comes in all different.

Mac Da Don (09:18):
Not a nigga.
Fuck all that.

M (09:20):
Really, really, come on Love, really Come on now.
And you do have puppy love, wedo.
We all start off.
You should be dating yourteacher.

T (09:31):
Yeah, that's not for most of us.
No, it's really not for most ofus, because you want somebody
who's relatable, and the olderyou get, the more time you spend
with someone, right?
You want to stay relatable,right?
So if I kick it with you forthe summer, we're going to be
able to find something to relateto, right?
Maybe the best songs came outthat summer.

(09:53):
Maybe went to the wine festivalsummer gym.
They was playing all types ofmusic.
Absolutely who's relatable forthe summer.
Now, as the fall comes and thespring comes, it's like oh, you
want to see that move.
No, I don't like that shit.
I don't like that.
Like.
You're going to start seeinghow different, yeah, that y'all
are and you're not the thingsthat as relatable as you thought

(10:17):
you were in the beginning.
You're going to start to seethat you know the cartoons that
I grew up on.
He ain't grown up on themcartoons.
No, you didn't grow.
Don't make me start throwingout my cartoon names.
You're going to be like what?

M (10:30):
And when?
That's your problem if youstart saying you see standing
rippie.

T (10:35):
It doesn't even like yeah it's not even funny to you, it's
not even interesting.

Mac Da Don (10:39):
You don't even know what you're talking about.
The gap of of, like justentertainment, wise, right?
Let's talk about eight years,right, cause that's 24 to 24, 16
, that's, that's eight years,right?
Eight years ago we put us whatAt 20,?
What's the math?
16.

(11:00):
So that's Bon Bon and them andthe calves going crazy in the
East in Gold State, beating theshit out of everybody in the
West.
Right, we talking about MVPSteph Curry.
We talking about LeBron James,who ran the East for 11 months,
11, 12, 15 years, type shit.
Yep, that's a completelydifferent world.

(11:20):
So now LeBron James hobbling upand down the goddamn court on
year 21, trying to build thesesad ass records to the playoffs.
Steph Curry?
Steph Curry just sitting therewaiting, counting the days that
he gets his last fucking checkfrom going to state so you can
go get his statue outside ofOracle.
Yep, that's true, that's eightyears.
Eight years being was stillalive, bro.

(11:42):
Yeah, that's true.
He was playing his last game.
He was all sitting there, tearsin the eyes, watching him drop
60.
Yep, that's true, man.
I even hear no more.
So, like, eight years is such ahuge chunk of time that you can
experience so much shit, or?

T (11:57):
miss or miss Right, because you can always kind of catch the
highlights over the years.
You know if you're a truesports fan, right, you're a true
fan or whatever, right, youkind of know it, but if you
wasn't there for it.
So when I go to recall certainthings and bring on that energy,
you do a little dry and it'sjust like, oh, I forgot, you

(12:18):
wasn't there for that.
Yes, and that's what happens.
And it's like but how many timescan we?
Because it's always going to besome things that we don't
relate to.
We're man and woman right,absolutely.
But it's, how many things arewe just not that relatable to.

M (12:33):
Yes, and that becomes a big problem, because again early on
like 24 to 16 is much differentthan 22 to 24, because as you go
up it's not as bad.

T (12:45):
Yeah.

M (12:45):
But when you start off at 18 and eight years, that's that
moment.
With the fact he went tocollege, he got probably a
master's degree and policy workon this goddamn fucking doctor's
degree at that point and youknow that's a lot of shit,
that's a lot of kids.

T (13:02):
Yeah, yeah, three baby moments.
You know one marriage about, ifyou're about, and a divorce,
exactly.

M (13:12):
No, it's just like you gotta be, you know.
And again, that's that goesback to why you have to train
boys and girls differently.
And that's why you can't beequal.
So when you hear about talking,oh, men and women, they're
never equal.

T (13:25):
My mother always taught me that the older man not to be
like he wasn't wanted by hisgroup.

Mac Da Don (13:35):
That's.
That's a common, that's acommon myth.

T (13:38):
It's not a myth, but it's just like be careful because the
chances of that right, like asshiny as he is to you, he was
just a little bit dull to hisgroup.
You get what.

M (13:50):
I'm saying that's true.

T (13:51):
Coming off super shiny to your teenage eyes he's not that
shiny to his group.
And that's just about a lot ofyou good picking, choose and do
what you want to, because yougot Free will right you a
teenager?
You gonna sneak out the house,you gonna do it, you know, after
school on the weekends.
You got freedom, right.

M (14:10):
You know, teenagers.

T (14:11):
They pretend like they stand out.
My got sports practice and thenI got a game over.
Here lies You're doing whateverthe hell you want to do.
Oh, I'm going to work afteryou're not.
What I'm saying is they havefreedom, so you have to make
your own damn choices, but justbe well advised when doing so.

M (14:28):
You know, women, I'm gonna say this.
I may be wrong, but you know,didn't factuate with.
See a guy with some money,because again, you 16 years old.

T (14:35):
They never got their money.

Mac Da Don (14:45):
Because, if you think about it, what woman
doesn't want a guy who has hisown?
And but if you're 16, doesn'tknow?
No, yes, what can I get?

T (15:03):
what I get because I'm trying to make this life softer.
See, at 16, mentally in yourmind, I've had 16 year old girls
Living beautiful big homes.
Okay, two parent households,right, yeah, and you can't give
everything to your teenagers,right?
So in a mind they think they ina struggle Because you gotta

(15:23):
wash the dishes or unload andreload the dish washer.
Right, because you didn't getall the new shoes that came out.
How you gonna get all the newshoes the mother-boy should use
constant of a new car becauseyou're gonna destroy it anyway.
So in their minds, very earlyit starts very early, not trying

(15:50):
to do too much, not trying towork too hard.

Mac Da Don (15:52):
But here's.
The thing is that there areguys now fuck on, that there's
niggas who do the same shit.
They're young niggas, 16, 70,18.
So 24 year old chick toldmyself I like you, I'm trying to
howl at you, say less.
Yes, so I'm right she bought meall these little clothes.

T (16:16):
She got me this Nike Tech jump fit type shit, she's a new
J.
She know your purse wasn'tgonna buy you that whole Nike
Tech suit.

Mac Da Don (16:25):
She wanted to buy that Because what she wanted to
do to make sure her niggas shineit.
So now you got the littlecummer.
Now you're going to class everyday with the Nike Tech.
I'm done you better everybodyelse in that motherfucker, it's
true.

M (16:40):
You can't wait for the pickup for school.

T (16:42):
I've been in the car talking about something in this car I've
been in her car.
Yes, sir, because y'all be easynow.

M (16:52):
Lay back, look at them Like you were shooting in my seat.

T (16:55):
That's another thing that looks bad.
It's not the same.
It don't look the same on y'allas it does on us.
No a woman's taking care of you.
No the man's taking care of us.

M (17:06):
We're not equal, there no People won't talk about it.
Real bad.
That's why I hear this teampeople talk about I moved him.
I met him last week.

T (17:19):
And we had a good conversation, and then I moved
him back.
No, no, no.

M (17:25):
I think he said he was tired of being home.
I didn't move him with me.

T (17:28):
So you didn't meet his mother .

M (17:30):
No.
You just bought him on there.

T (17:33):
Normally you meet people's moms you would think so A
brother, a sister, somebody, anaffiliate, somebody.

Mac Da Don (17:42):
But if you date somebody that young let me
rephrase the sentence You'redating somebody younger than you
.
Alright, let's say that young,Younger than you, period.
You always know that you neverwant to meet their family.
I will say that for everyperson.
All of them niggas do not wantto meet the younger people's
family.

(18:03):
I'm not trying to see your uncle, your cousin, your nephew, your
brother, your sister, yourfather, your mother, none of the
niggas, I don't even talk aboutnone of them.
I'm trying to stack you up outthat shit and take you in a
certain place here.
Right, because the moment Icome around your people guess,
when they go sit there and takeyou, they're negative to old,
except Marwin him.
Why the fuck are you asking me,you young, he just trying to

(18:27):
play you.
He's probably with your mind Imight be doing all of those
things.
I don't need enough fuckingtelling you Take your ass out,
Come on, baby.
They just trying to fuck up ourrelationship.

T (18:39):
I don't need nobody telling you what I'm about to do with
you.

M (18:42):
I need you fucking to find out.

Mac Da Don (18:44):
There you go.
That's crazy.
It's a brand new way of lookingat it, but it's fast, it's fast
.

T (18:48):
It's fast.

Mac Da Don (18:50):
You set yourself up for being taken advantage of
strictly because of experience.

M (18:56):
Yep.

Mac Da Don (18:57):
If I watch a guy who's boxed for a year and I put
him in the ring, well, a guylike Tyson Fury he's going to
get knocked the fuck out.
I don't give a shit how strongthat guy is, I don't give a shit
how much belief he has inhimself.
I'll give you if he had thebest training ever he's only

(19:17):
trained for a year.
This shit that he's going to do, that's going to get him
knocked out, naturally, becausehe's not ready for a guy who
knows okay, yeah, he's going topunch hard, but he's going to
get tired because he's going toput all this effort into
knocking me out off, notrealizing that we got to do this
shit for 12 rounds, and thenit's going to get real tired,

(19:39):
that lack of acid going to buildup in his shoulders real quick.
He's not going to recognize howbad adrenaline dumps.
When you're in a scenario likethis, where the lights are
bright and you're fightingsomebody and you got all these
people root before you andpeople gassing you up and you
don't realize that once you comein to start fighting you get
hit, that adrenaline kind ofwears off.
You're like God damn, I'mfucked.

(20:01):
But now you got to figure itout.
That happens with anything atall Not to the person who's been
doing it the longest is goingto work circles around the
person who's been there theleast.
Absolutely they will Inanything.
So why is it that when it comesto dating, it's all sudden not,
I'm fucking.
Who gives a shit that I'm 10,15 years younger than him?
We're on the same plane.
No, the fuck you are.

T (20:23):
You can't be.

Mac Da Don (20:24):
I don't know what you don't know.

T (20:26):
I don't know what you don't know?

M (20:28):
You know people make this mistake.
Oh, they messed that up, thatcouldn't be me.
Oh, they messed up.
Or that person messed up, butthat's not me.
Don't you understand the sameshit that you said?
They said the same time whenyou're your age are the blinders
, but they do.
I hear one session all the time.

(20:48):
Oh, that she's just stupid, andI said you shouldn't.

T (20:51):
You should never say it about the experience, though, and the
person with the experiencerecalls when they were exactly
in that space, to where theyfelt like, nah, this not going
to happen to me, oh no, he'smore genuine, you know, than the
person my aunt, Matt, or theperson my mother met, you know,
and she tried to advise me here.
It's just the blinders.

(21:13):
I feel like we were dealt, youknow.
You don't have the experienceand that's the idea of living
and learning Right.
But, you don't have to learneverything through you know
going through it.

M (21:24):
You don't have to go to school hard knocks.

Mac Da Don (21:26):
You don't have to.
You choose to go to the schoolhard knocks, but you shouldn't.

M (21:30):
For instance, when my sister was dating, a guy couldn't just
pull up in his car and blow outthe door and get the car.
Oh hell, no, you better bringyour goofy ass in here so we can
see you.
So in case we got to beat yourass, we know how you look and
what kind of car you drove andall that stuff.
But seeing these young girls goand jump in the car oh yeah,
that's her friend Boo.
Do you know his real name?

(21:51):
You know his government name?
Oh yeah, they ain't.
What the fuck Fuck that.
Oh, big black dude named BooReally?
Yeah, he about six one.
Okay, that's about half thedudes in PG County that you just
described.
So I don't know who the fuckthat is.

T (22:05):
Neither do the police, and shit hit the fan.

M (22:08):
So hello, so that's that whole thing you got to be.
You have to listen to the olderpeople when they tell you
certain things you need to do.
We're not telling you to get inyour business.
We don't give a fuck what yourbusiness doing.
You don't have no business.
We're trying to save your assbecause, unlike 30 years ago,
your ass could be with somebodyand disappear and you'll never
find your ass.

(22:28):
How many people did not find itShit 30 years?

Mac Da Don (22:30):
ago, you disappeared too.
Now is that there's a lot ofdifferent ways to get caught.
You can get you used to getcaught by somebody who would be
in your neighborhood.
It was somebody who was eitherworking in the neighborhood,
somebody who had had businessdealings in the neighborhood,
some, for some reason, it wassomebody who you were close

(22:52):
enough to the God to know you toloop you in.
Now they can be a nigga fromBulgaria.
He's talking about somethinghe's going to hear for a
different man and he's going tofly over here.
Then he fly over and he showyou all this money.
Now he legit bullshit.
He just knew how to play an actlong enough to get you to
convince you to do insert thinghere.

(23:12):
Now you're on a plane of moregames and you never come home?

M (23:16):
Never, and that's the other thing people realized.
Technology has changed thisentire dating game.

T (23:21):
It's the access to people.
Oh my God, yeah, it's throughthe roof Because again it's
flipping scene.

M (23:26):
How you look, you can flip.
There's people we see all thetime People get sucking in One
poor old woman.
I never get on a doctor's field.
That shit was.
It was sad, yeah, hilarious.
She was 80 years old.
I got a boyfriend in Nigeria.
Now, when she said that, ofcourse I was like I was just
saying she was a white woman ora black woman.

T (23:45):
Okay.

M (23:47):
And the kid said she gave this guy a million dollars of
her money because he's going tomarry when he gets here Right
next to him.
They're stuck straight.

T (23:56):
They're not.
They always, they alwaysworking on getting a stuff
straight.

M (24:00):
Yes, so she kept sending money.
He said she just sent him$15,000 because he had the
closest deal.
He said he had eight but heneeded 23.
Because she helped him withanother 15 to get it finished.
Oh sure, why the money to?

T (24:15):
him.
Yeah, she needed, she had it.

M (24:18):
And Phil said do you have a picture?
This is the picture, okay.
He pulled up his big whiteboard and said that picture has
been used 10,000 times.
She said so that's not him.

Mac Da Don (24:30):
He said no, that's not him.

M (24:32):
He's just that picture to get other people like you.
She said I can't get that guy amillion dollars.

T (24:38):
I saw a special level on this .
They went and found some of theguys who was doing this and
that interview.
Did you see it too?
Yeah, it was great Wow.

M (24:47):
It was great.

T (24:47):
My personal opinion, the men were sitting there like looking
at the person interviewing them,because the interviewer came in
.
You know like you guys are deadwrong.
You know like, yeah, I want totry to answer some questions and
they were puzzled.

Mac Da Don (25:01):
Because what do we do?
What did we do wrong?

T (25:03):
What did we do wrong here?

Mac Da Don (25:05):
Because, realistically, nothing of what
these people are doing is likeillegal.
What they said is a glisten Hi,I need, I need help.
Yeah, will you help me.
You say to me yes, sir, I gotyou and you wire me money.
How's that my fault?

T (25:22):
No, and they're sitting on the they're, they're, it's a
fucking they're.
They're in the tech shop thenight like they're on rotation,
wow.
But what I'm saying is thatthey're feeding a bit of what
the woman needs.
They really are, yes, and youknow they've asked to be
compensated on some level andthen they have they say straight

(25:46):
out, whether they say what theyneed it for is, you know,
finance my life, or fixing, youknow, a piece of my house, or
getting my business together,whatever it is.
You know you've already, wow,profess your love.
I love you too.
They probably do love thesewomen to a certain capacity.
I love that you keep my life.
So you know the way that.
That's love, yeah, that's.

(26:06):
You're not going to challengethese men's love.
That is, that is virtue.

Mac Da Don (26:10):
But even more than that, it's the love in which
that person needed, for whateverreason, because obviously the
mother, that woman being 80years old, her family obviously
isn't close to her.
For whatever reason yeah, likeshe hadn't money because she had
enough to give, give it away.
But obviously, whoever she wasas a person I don't mean to be

(26:32):
rude, but like this is myopinion Whoever you were as a
person, when you were young, itwas obviously so shitty that
your kids don't give a fuckabout you.
And I'm going to tell you whyyour kids don't give a fuck
about you because they wouldhave never let you get the first
payment off.
I don't give a fuck what y'allgot to say Talking about
something, oh well, you don'tknow what grandma, grandma be
doing, type shit.
No, yes, you do, because you setup the infrastructure necessary

(26:54):
to keep an 80 year old grandma,grandma listen.
Yeah, people are hearing shit.
So here, let me.
If you ever get an email thatasks you for money, just let me
know.
They'll let you know.
Yeah, they will tell you if youactually gave a fuck.
Yeah, right, if you actuallywant to protect your grandma,
your mama, from some weird shitlike that, I just feel like I

(27:14):
would know if my grandmother wasdating somebody.

M (27:17):
You would think she had to tell you.

T (27:21):
Conversation about it.
I mean, I always asked mygrandmother who she was involved
with, and she would always sayno, not no one.
You know then?
I would ask about the peoplewho I thought was you know
checking for her.
I when you have thatconversation with your single
grandmother like grandma, so tome that would definitely come up

(27:43):
in Conversation she also, shehappy out of fucking nowhere.
You trying to figure out how towork a phone.
About you show me how to take apicture.
Baby, take my picture realquick for me.
They like to talk.

(28:06):
They ain't got no job.
These things would come up.
So I'm what you on there, somepeople in life, that ain't shit.
Yeah maybe those people tryingto get you for your money too.
So maybe you do keep your stuffclose to you, right like not any
telling them all cuz they betrying to work me to Whatever
the reason.
Those brothers also did say Idon't know if you called this

(28:27):
part, but they was liketechnically, this is reparations
.
So they felt I was like do youwant us to stop?
You want us to stop?
She was like yeah, I think youguys should stop.
They was like no no, they waslike okay, I guess the thing you

(28:55):
feel the real life.

Mac Da Don (28:56):
That said, we stop right, mm-hmm, let's say, let's
say this my coalition, we stop.
What about the other 300 niggas?
Down the street 15,000 peopledown the block.
Like, just because we startdon't mean other people not go,
fill in the spots that we leaveopen.

T (29:18):
Yep, I'm gonna get over feels ladies.
Sounds like she was Americanright, yeah but these guys was
talking to women from the UK.

M (29:26):
Oh.

Mac Da Don (29:28):
Yes, it's universal.
It's a universal scam.
Everybody get together, we geton the phones, we get the text
and it shit.
Because to me, I I mean what'sthe difference between right a
Nigerian prince who lie untilyou tell my son my love you

(29:50):
right and a long distancerelationship that same
difference.

T (29:53):
I'm with you.

Mac Da Don (29:54):
I mean, you want to believe what you want to believe
because there's no telling thatthe person on the other side of
that, that Screen, is tellingyou the truth.

T (30:03):
Yeah, and, and you want to believe these things.
You want to.

Mac Da Don (30:07):
I want to believe that the phone that I received
from this person is real,because I love the prince.
I.
I've been wanting to pray andthen we showed up and said I
look beautiful.

M (30:19):
My 80 year old looking ass.
Oh my god.
Yes, I got the young gene.
Yes, and you're gonna beinfatuated because again you're
dealing with something calledloneliness.
Yeah that's the other part.
People don't realize.
Yeah all this stuff you, youplay around early in life.
Yeah, and you can.
I got all the time in the world.
They know you hear about 60.

(30:39):
There's 60, you like, with therelay, oh shit.

T (30:43):
Nobody really gonna be invested in each other by time
you turn 60, because everybody'sso guarded right.
I'm so protected and I'vealready figured out life, so I
don't really need you for that.
Already know who to call on.
My car breaks down.
Already know what to do.
You know you can't.
It's the older we get, it'sharder to rescue each other.
Right, and I don't want to belike you should be rescuing each

(31:05):
other to build the bonds.
But it's those importantmoments that you show up.
That's why recent teeth to God.
God with the yeah with the tirewhen flat it, be the rescue
right like oh.
But if I don't need you to swoopin for nothing, cuz now all my

(31:25):
cars are like official, my bankaccount is fat, I don't need a
rescue.
I'm 60 years old.

M (31:37):
They came on said, oh, the 50 , that's all I see we talk about
that.

Mac Da Don (31:42):
No, oh Shit, I won't get my shit off on that real
quick.

M (31:47):
Yeah, just you say this Produces out.
But it's a true statement,because you look at people who
say I want to be happy, one bemarried, one have this.
What you basically say.
You open your door,unfortunately, to anybody that

(32:08):
sees that and can pick thatweakness and use it against you,
because we used to.
She kept saying I want to bemarried, I want to have kids, I
wanted to have a house onebecause I feel like I should
have it now, at 30, some yearsof age.
Yeah so you said you're up forfailure.
Why?
Because you went out to openarms, open chest, open heart,
everything.
And this guy sees it.
Because there guys out thereand women out there that sees

(32:29):
that.
They look at that and they usethat against you.
They use you against yourself,yeah, and then also he is back.
He can't be that bad, he's notplaying me like that.
Oh no, I know, please, you knowI love you, I love you girl, I
love you like a fat killer cake.
Everything you want to hear,yes, everything you want to hear
.
So everything, the little redflag you don't pay attention to
because now he loves me too much.

Mac Da Don (32:48):
But then yeah, like you, you yeah, whatever, fuck
all that.
You can, you can be open.
I think that's the disjunct waspart.
You can be open, you can.
You can have that aspiration ofunderstanding that like, hey,
my, my windows kind of shuttingand like I want to Maximize
whatever time I have left beforethat that window shuts.

(33:10):
I understand that I don't blamethe woman for falling in love
with the man.
Matter of fact, I've also saidthat like she got lucky in the
grand scheme because she onlydealt with that for a year.
This is a year of her life, inand out.
Right, there are people whodon't deal with that for ten
years, 20 years, five years.

(33:33):
You mean the don't on.

T (33:34):
They deal with what the deceit?
That love with the seat thatlove the seat for ten years
easily.

Mac Da Don (33:42):
Life.
Right, that's your life now,but it's it's full of lies and
shit that you just have acceptedfor whatever, because you want
the thing exactly.
So I'm like, at least it was ayear like.
You got lucky in the grandscheme, that's right.
You're lucky that things didn'tpan out.

(34:02):
You're lucky that you didn'tmerge the bank accounts.
You're lucky that you didn'tactually keep pardon my language
but like, didn't keep to getthe completion, like, but it's
true, you're lucky that thesethings happen, because all these
things could have happened andyou'd be, in a way, shittier
scenario.
And now you're late to thestinger forever because you got
a kid with them.
So now you can't see here saywash my hands, I'm gonna go put

(34:24):
them six feet under and be donewith them, because now you look
at that little nigga every day.
Yeah, every time you see yourson, it's your daughter.
Whatever the child came out of,that was gonna be.
Oh, this person.
She got upset becauseCharlemagne said was she a big
girl?
Yeah, he asked that questionafter hearing the story, mm-hmm.

(34:45):
And what he said was I don'twant to, I don't want to make it
seem a lot lighter than what hesaid, but like, and that's as
he said it makes sense, it makessense, how this all happens.

T (34:57):
No, I thought he said what was the quote that he?
Yeah, I don't know the exactcode.
That's why they want to.
I don't, I'm gonna mess it up.

Mac Da Don (35:03):
Yeah, I don't want to get lighter because he did
say something fucked up, but thecrux of what he was saying is
it makes sense and that'sbecause she was a big girl.

T (35:11):
Yeah, because she was a big girl because little girls don't
get the slump joints don't getplayed.

Mac Da Don (35:19):
That's what the caring thought was.
I don't even think it's that.
I think it's the.
It goes back to the level ofinsecurity that comes with being
big.
Think a bigger person comeswith a certain level of
insecurity, naturally naturally.

M (35:33):
Definitely women, definitely women.

T (35:42):
Right, I do know strong, very confident exactly, and they are
being engaged in thatconversation that might come out
, but from what I can see, Idon't know that I've ever seen
insecurities from From some ofthe big women that I know their
confidence has always been, youknow.

Mac Da Don (36:02):
I think sometimes that confidence, the outward
confidence Is hidden, hidingthat insecurity, ends up coming
out and I think the confidenceto Accept who you are and the
strength to be able to say that,like I know, people are already
going to try to come from meand I'm always ready for that.

T (36:25):
And I and I and I, and, like I said, I don't want to say that
You're saying that, as a perslender woman doesn't have that.

Mac Da Don (36:30):
I said one doesn't have that same type of
insecurity.
So what I think he was tryingto say, he, what is, I think, um
, is that when you are bigger,right, and you have that natural
insecurity, you you acceptthings that maybe your smaller
counterparts wouldn't have to.

(36:50):
You, you you deal with niggaswho just a little bit different.
You might find a guy.
Because she said I just want tofind somebody who loved me for
me, right, I want to findsomebody who loves Uh, who just
who loved me.
So the moment you saw indiathat resemble love, you just
took it.
You were like, fine, fuck it,fine, I'm gonna take it.
But there's a lot of peoplechasing smaller people.

(37:12):
Period, smaller thinner guys, amuscular guys, thinner women,
slightly muscular women, likethose, those four different
archetypes Get people chasingthem constantly.
Okay, so you get A whole bunchof shit that you have to now
wade through to figure outwhat's really for me, what, what
I what are not what.

(37:33):
But if no one ever approachesyou, then that that waiting is
very easy.
Waiting turns into fucking.
I'm looking at lily pads in thewater.
I can see one, two, three, four.
I see four instances in which Ihave a chance to to make my
raft.
I've tried three of them in thelow patch sunk.
That's the last one that I'vereceived.

(37:54):
Let me just see what this onedoes.
It's a different conversation.
You're dealing with your input.
The men and women that you dealwith being smaller are vastly
different in numbers, vastlydifferent than when you're
bigger.
You just deal with more shit.
People who have been skinny,who have gotten fat, complain

(38:14):
all the time.
I've seen several foot videosin posts and shit about how
people in their life treat themworse.
They're like oh, I was a smallgirl and then I gained weight
because of the pandemic, so nowI'm at my job and the same
customers that would tip me $23.

(38:35):
Like who the fuck is this shit?

T (38:38):
Okay.

Mac Da Don (38:39):
Who are you Like?
Well, I like we'll talk aboutdamn.
That girl seemed kind of fat.
She's like I would hear theinsults that these same
customers when I was smallerwould praise me.
I'm doing the same shit I didwhen I was smaller, as a bigger
girl, and now it's why are youtaking so long?

(38:59):
Where's my shit?
Like I'm getting hostileresponses for doing the same
thing and it's like yeah, evenpeople who have been big, who
got small, say like oh, peopleare kinder to me, people hold
the door for me.
Now People actually like payattention to me when I walk in
the door and say hello.
People naturally dislike biggerpeople for whatever reason,

(39:22):
whether they think they're lazy,whether they think that they
think I'm too much space,whether they think they smell
bad.

T (39:28):
Whatever the case, may be.
They're not gonna take care ofthemselves.
I'm serious, it's true, myroommate, no, no, no, I got you
though, wow, I got you, though.

Mac Da Don (39:38):
My roommate, right, my roommate in college, that's
my nigga, ace, ace, boom, boomtype shit.
But when I first met him, hesaid, dog, I am not gonna lie to
you, I thought you would smellbad.
I said, why would you thinkthat?
He said because I have a friend.
That's your size, the injustice, and that nigga Don't, don't do
nothing.
He saw coming in your room yougot deodorants, you got cologne,

(40:02):
you shower every day.

T (40:05):
Regular hygienic?
I have hygienic, yes.

Mac Da Don (40:09):
I see you like I'm like damn, like yeah, you're a
big dude, but like he take careof himself.
Yes, because I understand that.
I also know people who don'ttake care of themselves, yeah,
and who also smell like shit.
I get that, okay, but it'sbecause of, I think, that that
insecurity If I don't take careof myself and I'm also big, that
I don't have to worry aboutpeople bothering me.

(40:31):
I can kind of stay or clues andstay over here in my own
business and nobody really fuckswith me.
Because you're tired of beingaround people who treat you like
shit.
So you find ways to protectyourself and it comes with
either being very hostile or not, maybe not being as hygienic,
or maybe not even wearingcolorful clothing because you

(40:54):
don't want to be seen.
And then you'll see the oneswho were like, oh, I don't give
a fuck.
And that's where you have likea, like a Lizzo, she wears
bright, colorful clothing andlike she yeah, she has her
moments.
But like people will sit thereand say when they think of like
body positivity for a woman,that's kind of one of those
people they kind of bring up.
They're not sitting theretalking about a.

(41:14):
A delwit got the weight loss.
She said fuck on that Most.
She blew up.
She said I'm going to go get mybody right.
She wasn't sitting here sayingyeah, I'm a big girl and
whatever she didn't.
She didn't like the attention Icame with it.
So she went and got small and Iabout a damn a del look good.
Yeah, because y'all wouldniggas bullet her to look good,
because it comes with that whenyou're sitting in the spotlight

(41:36):
and a lot of people can't handlethat.
And you know, for women it's wayworse, and it starts off early.

M (41:42):
Early, because it's almost like they start in high, in
elementary school, literally,cause you look at, you play with
them and it's weird becausegrowing up I used to see bigger
girls when they went elementaryschool and you should treat them
differently.
You still food at them and thattype of stuff.
Why are you treating so bad?
She's big, she fat.
I'm like she can't help herselfbecause I was that kid I was

(42:03):
going to stand up for somebody.
But what happens is if somebodyat home don't say fuck them, you
beautiful inside, no, no, nothey.
Then they start to look aroundat their friends who won't be
their friends because theirfriends won't be the popular
girls It'd be the other misfitsper se.
So now that carries on, nobodyever changed that.

(42:23):
They just have this built inself.
Self hate is because the wildlife is a bigger.
And then all of a sudden, youeat more, cause that's your
coping mechanism.
You just eat more, so they justget bigger.
So now it's a self fulfillingprophecy that you're getting
bigger.
You're not attractive.
Now you go to middle school, nowyou go to high school, still

(42:44):
getting bigger and bigger, butnow you're bigger, one bigger
girl.
So now you, nobody invited youto shit, nobody invited you to a
party.
If they do invite you isbecause I got everybody, even
the fat kids, even the fat kids,god damn it.
I don't want to be going up ina party, other than that, you
would never get any kind ofinvitation to any party.
So then now yourself, steven,shot the shit you may not even

(43:04):
go to prom.
Nobody may not even ask you toprom.
Take me to the prom orsomething.
You may have to get a cousin orsomebody to go with you to the
prom, Cause if I want to be withyou they won't be able to.

Mac Da Don (43:13):
I even say I'll even go one step.
I got opposite of you and sayand then, even if there is
somebody who genuinely likes whoyou are, you can't see it.
Yep, even if somebody doesgenuinely like you and genuinely
want to get to know you andgenuinely knows that, yeah,
you've always been a big girl,but I don't give a shit because

(43:33):
there are niggas who like biggirls, that's not a
misconception.
There are guys who like biggergirls.
Yep, I know crack hand sizedniggas, it's normally that size
it is.

T (43:44):
It is, it's little bitty niggas.
They love them.

Mac Da Don (43:47):
They love them, love them Right.
But you, you don't recognizethat as love because there's so
many people who probably havelied.
So now you, you can't tell.
You should just keep your guardup for everybody.
You even shoot opportunitiesthat could be good for you
Absolutely Out through airbecause you're trying to protect
yourself.
Yep, because every time youopened up you got shot.

(44:07):
So now I'm just not, I'm notgoing to open up, no more.
We closed up shop, locked upthe doors, put the bars on the
windows, we're done.
But now they know.

M (44:15):
I ain't here and it's crazy because, producer, the two most
weakest women in the world arethe prettiest ones and the
biggest ones.
They're the most insecurepeople.
Hmm, the prettiest ones.
You got people coming at you,so they like this motherfucker.

Mac Da Don (44:30):
I got a man.
It seems like leave me alone.

M (44:33):
But you're insecure because you're so beautiful that people
normally, oh she got to havesomebody.
Oh, they don't approach, yeah,she got to be fine, but she,
like the people that do approachme, I don't want them.
Just get up on my face.
You look at me like girl.
I haven't seen you in a while,Right.

Mac Da Don (44:50):
Because you get a lot of people who do that, right
, yeah, so I'm going to sit andthink she's got to have somebody
she's got to.
Got to there's no way somebodythat pretty walking around by
herself but then no one talks toyou.
Nope, because that's.
The other side of that is thatyou got to get the people who
harass the shit out of you, whoyou don't want to deal with, or
the guys who you're interestedin, who don't even make a play.

(45:11):
Okay.

T (45:12):
So then that brings you back to what the what we're initially
talking about, right, where yousay off the jump, the heavy set
woman is going to be insecure,off the break.
You just broke down, both ofthe women being insecure, though
.

M (45:26):
And it's weird because it happens different ways, because
if you're pretty, everybody'sgoing to try to highlight you.

T (45:33):
for the most part, Right, right, but that's what I'm
saying.
So women that I've spoken to,when we talk about this topic
specifically, right as far as itbeing an insecurity because of
her size, a lot of women arelike it's not necessarily an
insecurity from her size, it'san age insecurity, it's the fact
that she's over 30 and she's agood over 30 and she don't and

(45:58):
she hasn't secured the situation.
Not necessarily like her.
Her size Right.
It's the fact that you'retiming out now.

M (46:07):
That's the unfortunate thing about society, yeah.

Mac Da Don (46:10):
No, not even society .
It's literally just naturally,because if you want to have a
kid and you want to avoid a highrisk pregnancy, you're tap
dancing.
She herself is tap dancing onthat window where, like, it's
either a high risk pregnancyalready because of because of

(46:33):
whatever factors you alreadyhave, naturally.

T (46:35):
She had to.
And then your age.
She had the age and the weight,and then the weight.

Mac Da Don (46:38):
Yeah, so, like for her.
It's reason why I was sayingCharlene mentioned that was
because the lies of what shetold right first off crazy,
absolutely insane, and I'msurprised she.
She heard half of them andstill kept them, but the desire

(47:00):
to secure the last chunk of thething she feels like she wants
out of life kept her believinglonger than she ever should have
.
I think that's where thebreakdown which is the way, the
crux of what I think he wastrying to convey when he asked

(47:20):
what she, a bigger girl, all toa boil down to she you eat all.
You eat all this bullshit that,like I've, he felt like more
than likely he wouldn't, mostother women wouldn't have felt
with.
But when you're alreadyinsecure, you're already trying
to to lock down that last littlebit of your life.

(47:41):
You're kind of like, oh yeah, Imean it's just growing piece of
things you have to take on thechip.
No, you don't have to take thaton the chip.
She's going to find somebodywho's probably watched that name
ticked out.
I was thinking I'd have never.
I'd have never sacrificed her.
She's the queen of my eyes.
But where that?
Where's that guy?
He could be in her DMs.

(48:02):
He could be.
He could be next door to her.
She could have had a guy infront of her who wanted to be
interested, who was interestedin her, wanted to see her shot,
wanted to grow with her, and shecouldn't see him because of
whatever.
But it's just the fact that yousee a lot of bigger girls kind
of take shit, they shouldn'thave to.

(48:23):
There's a lot of bigger girlswho will sit there and explain
the things they've dealt with inrelationships and you can hear
it and go no, you should.
You know that, like the firsttime he said, the second time,
that guy, the third time whenthat dude did such, you should
have cut big on all thoseinstances and yet you know, been
fine.

(48:43):
But when you hear the why, Ididn't know how many
opportunities I had left or howmany times how many more people
were gonna talk that you know.
I mean like it all is all onebig way is all when, big kind of
ball of shit.
But it's too nuanced to have aconversation on it for Clicks
maybe talking to my for justlike, oh, I'm gonna just kind of

(49:05):
get my jokes off and whateveryou say, oh, man, of course you
a big girl.
She accepted that and in everyright chuckles because it's kind
of an inferred thing thatnobody really wants to talk
about.
But it's a true sentence.
Big people, we, we don't getthe same Dating opportunities as
other people.
So when your datingopportunities are 30 40

(49:27):
different people each weekversus 34 people over the course
of 35 years, yeah, the poolbecomes very small that's that
pool constantly shrinks,especially as you get older and
for women, because you deal witha finite period of time.

M (49:45):
Because, it's okay until you get you 30.
When you hit 30 and they lookaround, it's like I don't have
no kid, I ain't got no man.
I got a lot of degrees, I gotmoney, but I don't have this.
So then they don't.
Then I worried.
At 30 they like okay, I justgotta open myself a little bit.
No, once you get 35 and youpart, put on a little weight,

(50:08):
little change your body, changea little bit.
Now you hear that tick tock inyour ear.
Oh shit, I'm 35 years of age, Iain't got, no, still.
Ain't got no kid, ain't got noman.
I know why I can't find a body.

Mac Da Don (50:19):
I even do to.
To kind of go back on one ofyour points, I saw a post on
ready the other day talkingabout this woman.
She was 41 and she said I am 41like I can't find a bite,
absolutely beautiful woman.
She's like I can't find a bodylike I On these days, things I
do, all these things all thewhile.

(50:40):
And what somebody said to heris what the top comment was I
Can understand why you don'thave anybody.
I would have thought you werealready taken.

M (50:53):
Yeah, yeah, if you find, because You're attractive.

Mac Da Don (50:59):
Or the fish because she's already visually
attractive.
So like if you look at her andyou're thinking like damn,
there's no way, she's 48, ain'tgot nobody.
Yeah, that's a thing that guysthink.
Like she's like.
I look at this, check.
I'm like damn, she's tooattractive because no one to
have.

T (51:16):
So I say, hmm, is like in this day and age we're gonna
assume that this type of woman,who's put herself out on Reddit
right, is Using dating apps?
Let's just be real, right yeahanybody who's willing to type
and make a post on reddit isusing a dating app.
We can't agree to that.
Yes so you're putting yourselfout there on a single dating app
.
Everybody there knows she'ssingle.

(51:37):
It's something deeper than themthinking that she's taken of
course.

Mac Da Don (51:42):
But she said I don't get dates.
I don't get dates in person andI'm like yeah, it makes sense
visually if you look.
If I see you in person, I'm notgonna think anything of it.
I'm gonna think you take it.
If you're on dating apps, likeyou said, she's like I don't get
dated in person at all.
She's like I will see peoplethey would never approach, but I

(52:07):
can't tell.
I can't tell you you're notapproachable if I don't see what
what the approach looks like.
If every photo you got of youyou smiling and you're dressed
up being pretty Mm-hmm awesome,but like when people federalizes
again, you can be smiling, justa pretty look, look fantastic,
all that shit.
What do you look like when Ipull up to you?

T (52:25):
No, no, like what indicators do you get the man?
That's what I'm saying when Ipull up to you.
Okay, what do?

Mac Da Don (52:30):
you?
What do you look like?
Are you smiling at me and likeBecause, as a man for looking
for garden, yeah, at the gym ata fucking KFC UFC and don't

(52:53):
fucking matter, you busy lookingat somebody.
Somebody recording somebody,yeah, like nowadays is like man.
If I ain't gotta make the play,I Not gonna take it You're not
gonna see here and what play onmy downfall because I happen to
look in the direction of a bitchdoing a squad.

T (53:12):
Just make sense.
If you want a man to approachyou and you see him across the
room, you know you could atleast give eye contact so he
feels comfortable.

Mac Da Don (53:23):
No, no, no.
Say that.
Say that louder for thesepretty.
No, no, say that louder forthese women I'll hear who keep
complaining about how men don'tapproach them.

T (53:31):
I gotta give eye contact you and then you.
It's not any oh I contact,though it's like you know you
know we gotta look away and thenyou gotta bring it back.
You gotta do it at least twice,because the first one could
have been oops, you know.
Well, maybe she was, you know,looking in my direction.
But if you think, yes.

Mac Da Don (53:52):
And Level of consent .
Absolutely, that's to be givento me to come over, yeah, as a
guy, yeah, but that's what womenfeel to realize, like they
complain about men notapproaching our days.
Oh, why don't men just pull up?
Because y'all, because.

M (54:13):
You out here with your girls.

Mac Da Don (54:14):
You look pretty, you look good.
You out with a girls on girlsnight, yeah.

T (54:20):
And here you come.

Mac Da Don (54:31):
Yeah.
It's a little consent that thatbrings.
Like you complain about theguys who don't do it, but when
you want a guy to do it, givingthem just that little bit of eye
contact or saying that like,like, even acknowledging the
fact that I'm interested in yourinterest, right, it's a two-way

(54:52):
street, the God.
I want to pull the trigger, solet me pull up.
But if I'm gonna chew, you know, even make eye contact because
you won't play games.
You like, I see him looking atme, but I don't.
I want to look back at the typeshit.
He doesn't approach you.
Like why me, what?
Why didn't he approach me?
Like he always try to howl it.

T (55:11):
No, you didn't get up and go to the bathroom.
No, hold on, girl, let me getup and walk to this bangle.
Grab a drink.
Hot.
The grandma runs to thebathroom.
Walk with me real quick so wecould walk fast and.

M (55:24):
I was going a long way.

T (55:25):
Now let's run out to the car real quick so we can walk past
them.
You know what make up somestuff real quick, yes, you gotta
go with your girl to stay inyour numbers.
Don't be dumb.
And you got you but yeah, yougotta, you gotta give a little
bit of consent, you got to givea little bit of a green light,
cuz then if not, you know oh boyharassing you and they get

(55:47):
knocked down.
I hear a lot a lot.

M (55:51):
And the other thing Damn, I don't have to see everything.
I don't have to see everything.
If you show me, if you, yourtitties and your ass is all
hanging out together, I blessyou, god bless you.

Mac Da Don (56:07):
God bless the body that you were given in that
you've also worked for.

T (56:13):
I thought we made money in.
You know if you and into makingmoney often, you know you're
your body, you know they're.
They're just going like forregular.
Yeah, I need making everybodygetting free looks, you know
it's, I don't know what.
I don't do that shit.
Like I mean, I do likerevealing clothing, don't give
me.
But I'm normally out with myman.

Mac Da Don (56:35):
Like, yeah, I mean, if I'm stepping out, you know I
got low security, it's myassumption is, like, if you
dress up and you look in yourlike I was exposed but like
Showing party yourself, myassumption is that you're asking
somebody, mm-hmm, to consideryou.
Yeah, I gotta soon, I wouldthink I was a soon as a guy.

(56:59):
That's what.
That's what my thinking is.
I think a lot of guys thinkingis you come out here, you
showing off all your assets?
My assumption is you try tofind somebody who's who's gonna
bite?
Yeah, who's go, who's gonna buyit?
Right.
But the problem is depending onhow much of your assets are you
showing right it?
The guy that buys in might notbe the guy that you want.

(57:19):
No, you show everything.
Now you got the nigga who say,oh, we go, we go into the back
of the club.

T (57:29):
They teach you right.
Yeah, like depending on howmuch you showing that, that
that's gonna get you a certainattention that you just might
not want.
You know they did a little umVideo right and the girl was
there presenting herself, Iguess, to the guys like some
pseudo speed dating thing, andshe was just very provocatively

(57:51):
did you send.
Maybe you even sent it to meand you know his intentions for
this young lady.

Mac Da Don (58:01):
They're not going to .

T (58:02):
They're not going to know it fancy first of all, they're not
even going out to eat the carthe motel.

Mac Da Don (58:16):
I.

T (58:17):
Did you think that he was going to go to a hotel?
Question and in his mind he'sjust like I didn't know you
wanted anything else.
I Mean Nigerians.

Mac Da Don (59:03):
The way you dress In certain instances.
In certain instances Dictatethe person in which you receive.
If you go and dress up lookinglike you try to fuck, you gonna
get the nigga.
Who, all he, what, all he looksat you as is a fuck to it.

T (59:19):
You were nothing more than, and in that's it I mean that's
why men who have like real moneythey dress down.
Yes, cuz I'm not trying to beout there.
You see in me and Guccislippers and, you know, louis
pants and I got on my littlebecause you're sitting there.

Mac Da Don (59:37):
Wouldn't one of them counting you how much money the
nigga got, if he got all thisshit?

T (59:43):
You looking at me like a ton of money because you dress like
a ton of money and you pulled upin your most fanciest car that
you could find, as opposed toyou know having a little humble
joining.
You know your little worn downpolo slides.

Mac Da Don (59:55):
You know you guys stay humble because if you don't
what you putting out there, youknow that's what the person is
going Want you for, absolutelylooking like a bag of money and
you attract in a girl who'sattracted to money, then guess
what Don't be sure, if you wanta girl who was only attracted to
you for your money, yeah, youknow some thing nice where your

(01:00:16):
money, all your body, everybodywho sees you knows you money and
then you confine the girl whowants you for your money, yeah,
there's nothing wrong with.
Wanting something and in leaninginto it, just don't expect
something that's vastlydifferent than what you're
presenting.
She acted like the girl thatclip that you mentioned.

(01:00:38):
Acted as though she was dressedup as though she was going to
like a church, or dressed up asthough she was going to a
business meeting.
Mm-hmm, when you literally looklike you're one One article
clothing different from beingspreading go on a fucking man
Getting big from differentdirections like you're one piece

(01:00:58):
of clothing different fromlooking like that.
Yeah and it was a purposefulchoice.
Yeah, past didn't fucking know.
Not the past didn't fit becauseyou thought it looked cute that
.
No, your pants really didn'tfit.
Your pants were openspecifically because you
couldn't button them.
Other fuckers.
It was too small for you,absolutely yes, I didn't even

(01:01:20):
yes, they was too small for youanyway.
Yes, exactly.

M (01:01:25):
Oh yeah, okay.
It was just open because youcouldn't button them.
Yep.

Mac Da Don (01:01:28):
Okay.
So it's like what is somebodysupposed to understand?
As a guy, I'm telling you,looking at you, you look like
you're.
You know, it just is what it is.
But you made a choice when yougot dressed and there's gonna be
a guy who might see you a thing.
No, that's a classy lady, but Ipromise you that's not classy
nigga, because if he looks atyou and thinks you're classy,

(01:01:50):
that means y'all probably bothhood niggas.
Y'all just gonna be Fuckinggolden corral every night.

T (01:01:56):
You know You're not going to know our backs egg house.
You gotta be careful.
Who can see underneath thecostume is what he basically
said Because people who can seeall them layers underneath, they
got layers themselves and thetype of lifestyle that person's
able to afford you, you know, itjust might not be the lifestyle
that you want.

(01:02:16):
So Image is everything.
You know what you putting outthere, yeah that's true, tea,
and everybody lies.

M (01:02:25):
Again, ladies and gentlemen, everybody fucking lies.
So if they're thinking that,why me, if this is who they are?
No, that's, that's what theywant to present.
But you really know who theyare until, if you decide to move
forward, you start telling youdifferent things.
Oh shit, he doesn't.
He looks a little quitedifferent than what he presents,
because everybody, nobody'sgonna show you the worst part.
Here's the worst to me.

(01:02:45):
Love me for who I am.

T (01:02:47):
I mean that's a problem also, right, because if I'm showing
you my worst, I mean I have Igotten over the worst.
That's, how else is it comingout?
You're probably going throughit.

M (01:03:00):
That's a problem because everybody wants to not take that
time to say you know what, Igot messed up and I need to
recoup.
I need to do something better.
Did everything.
Time to heal.
You just walk around, hurt more,more band-aids.
You put more band-aids on yourbody and, like you know, I'll
get over it.
It's a band-aid.
You need surgery, you needstaples, you need some other

(01:03:21):
shit.
But people need to take thattime to really heal themselves.
Don't go from one relationshipto another relationship, to
other ones, and keep askingyourself to question what is
wrong with the relationship.
It's not the relationship, it'syou.
Yeah, this one with you.
Yeah, you work on gettingyourself straight.
So when you get out in thisworld you know they're looking
for someone to save you or theother bullshit.
And understand me in arelationship it's not equally,

(01:03:45):
it's teamwork.
It can't be equal.
Everybody does a littledifferent on team.

T (01:03:53):
What if we all bought the same ingredients to the table?
We try to make lemonade.
Everybody came through with thelemons.

M (01:04:03):
So again, it's, nothing, yeah .

T (01:04:07):
And we, you know the idea of us being equal and sexual
liberation for women, and that'sbullshit, like let's just be
real, like cuz, that's.
What's going on is that womenwanted to be equal and move like
how men move, right, mm-hmm,and for whatever reason, we got
to that point.

(01:04:27):
We're there, okay, mm-hmm, butwe got to stop.
Yes cuz it's it, don't look thesame.
Who was the first girl wetalked about?
first of all, the marriage forthe, the Nigerian wedding oh boy
yeah, invited the singer there,old girl on her knees acting a
plumb dumb fool, right, thisshit just looks bad.

(01:04:48):
It looks bad bad that old boyhad been dancing with a lady
singer, we would have thoughtnothing of it.
It's like oh okay, that's cute.
I don't think he would havebeen on his knees.
That shit would have been dumbeither way you slice the pie.
But it's not the same though.
No, it's not the same at all.

M (01:05:06):
And people keep keep thinking this shit is, you know, we're
gonna get better.
It doesn't get better, it justgets worse.
Because the more we keepthinking that we equal, the more
you keep thinking that my shit.
Don't stay.
His shit stinker.
His first shit, you just be inthis world of war or angst.
Why are we fighting?
We supposed to get together.
Well, we don't because we don'tknow our roles.

T (01:05:25):
Yeah, you don't know your roles.
Yeah, you don't know your joband I don't know my job.
And so now I'm sitting theretrying to do your job.
Asked you to do my job, and whyyou ain't, did you know?
Oh, we just confused.
You don't know your role, themen don't know their roles, the
what the men?
The women don't know theirroles, and so oh you think you
can just do whatever you want todo, because we're all equal.

M (01:05:47):
Now and that's why we're suffering now.
Yeah everybody think they equal, and it really we're not equal.

T (01:05:53):
No, not like that.

M (01:05:54):
No, you know, I can say people understand.
You know you get therelationships first on yourself
before you get, Before you eventhink about bringing smile into
your world or even in theirworld because your world may be
bad, their world could be worse.
So just Learn, be happy, healand don't just go out there

(01:06:15):
rushing different relationshipsand be careful of the
opportunists in the world.
There's a lot of them, so yougot to be very careful about
that.
Absolutely and team.
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