Religion, Rituals, and the Paranormal: A Deep Dive with Mikey Acevedo PART II

What happens when spirits refuse to stay confined to haunted locations and start following you home? This episode of "On the Level" promises a spine-chilling exploration of paranormal attachments. We kick off with Mikey from Beyond the Boundaries Paranormal, sharing his harrowing encounters with Frank, a persistent spirit from the late 1800s. Listeners will get a glimpse into the risks paranormal investigators face, including the unsettling phenomenon of entities such as Frank, who have a knack for making their presence humorously felt in the most unexpected ways.

Have you ever wondered about the intersection of religion and the paranormal? Our discussion takes a fascinating turn as we delve into the story of Zachary King, a former high priest in a Satanist cult who converted to Catholicism. King’s narrative opens up a broader conversation about the complex interplay between Satanism, pagan rituals, and Christianity. We unravel historical mysteries involving figures like King Solomon and the undocumented years of Jesus Christ’s life, inviting you to ponder ancient spiritual practices and their influence on modern beliefs.

Are shadowy government operations investigating the paranormal? Our final segment sheds light on government projects like the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) and the use of remote viewing in intelligence. We talk about the secrecy that shrouds these programs and the push for more transparency. From UFO sightings to the use of cutting-edge technology in investigations, we cover it all. Additionally, we highlight Mikey's enthusiasm for collaborating with Freemason lodges to probe unexplained phenomena, setting the stage for future episodes filled with historical intrigue and paranormal mysteries.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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greatness within each of us.
I have you now.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
All that yeah, I think that term's used for into
the, not the paranormal UFO.
For the paranormal, we call itan attachment.
You have an attachment with youwhen you go to a place that
likes you so much.
It just wants to attach itselfto you and it'll come back home
with you.
I've had an experience with anattachment years ago when I

(00:57):
first started.
It wasn't pretty.
So we went to this place and weinvestigated.
It's a historical hotel motel.
It had a whole bunch of otherthings going on and we went on
to the other side of this hotel,third floor, and went great, my

(01:20):
wife was like, hey, his, hedoesn't look normal.
He's like do you want to do youwant to step out?
Like, do you want to godownstairs?
And I'm like, yeah, sure, let'sgo downstairs.
And she's like, as soon as hestepped down to the bottom floor
, you just collapsed and I'mlike, oh, okay, she's like yeah.
And I also saw your eyes gototally black and I'm like, oh,
awesome, that sounds awesome.

(01:40):
Um, but fast forward, we gethome.
And that night we literally hadlike in the movies you see the
uh blankets get pulled out fromunder you for or off of you and
it happened.
We woke up, we're like where'sthe blanket?
And we see it on the corner andwe're like what the hell
happened there.

(02:01):
So she has these uh medallionsand stuff and she put her one on
my door and when she put thatum medallion on the door, you
would actually see a shadowfigure walking back and forth in
front of my door and then twodays later disappeared and we
started having issues again.

(02:21):
In the room she bought, boughtanother one, put it on top.
You see the shadow figurepacing back and forth in front
of my door Went missing.
After two days we moved out ofthat place and we never found
any of those medallions oranything ever again.
They completely disappearedUntil this day.
We actually named my attachment.

(02:42):
I think his name is Frank.
We named him Frank Frank, frank, yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Hold on.
You named the spirit, sir, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Yeah, we named him Frank.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Okay, I mean spirits deserve names like Beelzebub and
Megatron.
You can't name him Frank.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
I mean, yeah, I mean, they're not like a dog At least
end it with Bub or somethingalong those lines Frankabub.
Frank has actually shown up ona couple of our latest
investigations.
He's come through in ourexperiments that we do and all
that.
So he's still around like, likethe attachment, or he's still

(03:28):
around with me.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Mikey no, this is not okay, dude.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
How does that make you feel when you're in the
presence of that Frank entity?
So the story of Frank he has awhole totally different name.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
I just totally forgot his name and I just named him
Frank.
So Frank.
So the story of Frank.
He has a whole totallydifferent name.
I just totally forgot his nameand I just named him Frank.
Frank was an assassin from likethe late 1800s or something
like that.
He worked for the military.
He was an assassin for quitesome time and he's okay, he's
not a bad guy.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Are you sure his name isn't mr hyde?

Speaker 2 (04:06):
well, maybe I don't know, oh my gosh, but yeah, no,
uh, when you're in this field,you actually do end up getting
attachments, or as you call them.
Uh, I forgot the name of itfollowers hitchhikers yeah
hitchhikers, um and it a lot ofour clients think that we, going

(04:26):
in, are going to leave our ownattachments, our own personal
stuff, at their place.
It's not true.
We actually end up bringingthem back with us.
So we're at more of a risk ofgetting attachments and having
things come back with us thanleaving them at any customers.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah, for sure it's dangerous.
It's really scary and, likeeven some of the cameramen that
did editing uh for thegovernment, like that were part
of the atip program hadhitchhiker type experiences
after reviewing the tapes thatthey were required to sit
through and and record whathappened, so it wasn't like you
had to physically be there, justby watching what was happening.

(05:06):
They were having hitchhikertype effects.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
So what I'm, what I'm hearing, is a dinner at Mikey's
house later this week has beencanceled.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah, I don't want to hitchhiker type I'm good, I'm
good, trust me.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
We try to get rid of Frankie.
He's not going anywhere, he'she likes me too much.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Maybe you got something to learn from that
there still and even still.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
Let me shift gears here for a second.
So, talking specifically aboutthe spiritual side of this, have
you guys ever heard of ZacharyKing?
No, no, okay.
Zachary King was an ex-highpriest from a Satanist cult.
He's been to Bohemian Grove andall this other stuff.
He's done multiple interviewson this stuff.
I'll send you some of thevideos on it.

(05:53):
He intentionally performed 140abortions.
He lived in this.
Oh, dude, this is going to beone of the weirdest stories ever
.
He actually saw the man in thetop hat, the man with the top
hat with the ICP clown face, youknow type stuff you know I'm
talking about.
Yeah, okay, so he actually sawthis in like a house that he

(06:15):
lived in growing up, you know.
So he lived at like aneighbor's house growing up, so
they had in that house.
He was actually trained tobecome a high priest in the
Satanist cult and so, like Isaid, he performed 140 abortions
.
He said they had young women inthat house that were
specifically, their job was toget pregnant.
So that way he could perform theabortion.

(06:36):
And so this guy he had theclown face, the top hat, the
cane, everything and he pointedit out.
So now he's converted toCatholicism and he's a pro-life
activist now.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
It's an amazing story .
Here's the thing Did he reallyconvert?
Because I feel like Satanistsare Catholics, they're just
labeling themselves differently.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
I do not put it past anyone to lie in order to get
into an organization.
Please see the Taxal Hoax forreference.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
We are going to do an episode very soon about the
taxal hoax.
I am so looking forward to that.
Actually that might wind upbeing two episodes, because we
definitely got to delve intothat one, so people know what
you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
so I either way.
What this guy said is he goeslook, if you ever want to see a
satanic ritual and you want tosee the grand high priest in the
satanist occult, look up pinksjust like a pill video, he goes.
He goes.
That music video, the theactual grand high priest for the
Satanist occult makes twoappearances in there and part of

(07:34):
that is that they're doing aritual.
That's crazy.
Yeah, oh, it's, it's insane.
So whenever we talk about thisparanormal stuff like I, I go
straight to the spiritual world.
I mean, you know it's, it'saround us, people are practicing
it on both sides.
Oh, yeah, the.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Satanist rituals are based on pagan rituals.
Okay, they were doing thoserituals before there was
Christianity, um, and you knowthey.
They might've used differentnames in the rituals, but it was
definitely the same symbology,the same kind of like philosophy
behind what they were doing.
I think satanists took it andtry to put like it there.

(08:10):
I think satanists are just likecontrarians, like they're just
trying.
They're pissed off at thechristian church for some reason
and they want to embarrass them.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Well, I, I think I'm of the opinion and and maybe we
can get um uh, past master'sthoughts back on here to talk
about it, but you know, dwayneMarshall, but I'm of the opinion
that there are two differentdivisions within the Satanist
occult, or the pagan occult, orjust anti-Christian, whatever
you want to call it.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Those are so different.
Like the pagan cult has nothingto do with Christianity or
Satanism.
Like they don't want any partin any of that stuff.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Right, and I'm of the opinion there's probably two
branches of it.
There is the part that's tryingto be counterculture.
That makes all the sense in theworld.
I think those are the Satanists, yeah yeah.
But then there's also ones thatare actual practicing.
They believe in that demonicspiritual world, you know.
So, at least that's my opinionsame thing with Christianity too
.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
There's a whole lot of mainline Christians.
How dumb are you?
Because if you believe inChristian demonology, you
believe in Jesus Christ.
So how are you so dumb thatyou're you know what you're, you
know what you're doing andyou're still doing it anyways.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Come on, man like how dumb are these people?
Look, some people intentionallypick it.
I mean, even if you go back tothe book of first and second
kings, with King Solomon, I mean, king Solomon was directly told
by a prophet do not build, donot marry these foreign women
and do not build temples in thehigh places to these pagan gods,
meaning Baal, moloch andAshtoreth.
And he did it anyway.
And then look what happened andit led into the destruction of

(09:36):
Israel.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
I'm doing some light reading right now, called the
the greater and lesser keys ofSolomon.
It's not well known, butSolomon apparently documented a
lot of how he got so much wisdomand wealth, what actual
ceremonies he performed andpassed it off to his children.
Obviously this book is aboutwhat he passed on.

(09:56):
A lot of this is pagan ritualstuff.
There wasn't Christianity inSolomon's time.
Obviously the predominantreligion was Judaism and they
had the Kabbalah, which is kindof like a spiritual magic stuff.
So a lot of Solomon's stuff ismagic from the Kabbalah.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
You know, there's a guy that was talking about how
Christ did that.
So whenever we have that timegap and I haven't explored this,
I don't know if I want toexplore this.
It's 30 years in the desert orwhatever it was.
No, no.
So we, we leave off Christ as achild, I think somewhere
between like eight and 12 yearsold.
We see him in the templeteaching, and then we have
nothing on the time of Christuntil he shows back up at like

(10:39):
30 years old, right and so, andthen he, you know, course, he's
crucified at the age of 33.
Imagine that, another 33.
So, so a lot of people are like, no, like whenever Christ,
whenever you have that time gapof of his time was not
documented.
He was in Egypt, learning, youknow, learning, like you know,
the spiritual energies and allthis other stuff.

(10:59):
I don't know if I believe that.
I don't know if I want tobelieve that, but it's an
interesting story.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
I don't know if I believe that.
I don't know if I want tobelieve that, but it's an
interesting story.
Yeah Right, I mean, it's notdocumented, so you can't prove
it one way or the other.
Yeah, makes for an interestingstory, I think.
Uh, he probably just wasn'tdoing interesting things worth
documenting at that time, youknow, I mean.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
I still.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
I still like the story where were picking on him
and he like sicked a bear onthem, or maybe that was elijah,
like one of the best storiesever.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
It's like do you know who my father is?

Speaker 2 (11:32):
I'm gonna report this to the manager.
I don't care who your father is, he was the first, the first
nepo baby.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Okay, honestly, I think that was the prophet
elijah, like where some kidspicked on him because he was
bald and so he sicced some bearson them to eat them.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Wow, yeah, that's savage, that is savage Now that
we're talking a little bit aboutthe religion we go in.
When we get clients come up tous, we usually ask them what
religion they are, just becauseif they need any outside help
from us, we try to find them tohelp up their religion.
Like you know, if they want acatholic, I mean that makes

(12:12):
sense, right?

Speaker 1 (12:12):
you want to talk to them in the language they
understand but there's a lot ofgroups that just do their own.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Like, if you know the client's christian, um, the
group will be like oh well,we're gonna do our own thing,
and you know they kind of avoidthe whole christian aspect of it
and stick to the science so we,we kind of ask them.
You know, we had one where thehusband was jewish and the wife
was christian.
We're like, oh, what do we doin this?

Speaker 1 (12:40):
situation.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Always go with a wife in that situation but we we
ended up actually helping himout.
We we found a uh rabbi to helpout and, uh, I think it was a
rabbi that did both religions.
I don't know, I forgot what itwas it was years ago, but um, it
was, it was interesting.
But yeah, we, we, there'salways a or or.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
There's often a religious aspect to some of the
investigations you do.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Well, we had one case where the lady came to us and
she told us she was havingexperiences.
And then we get there and shegoes oh, you know, I don't want
you guys to investigate, but canyou guys like talk to me about
it?
And we're like, yeah, we'lltalk to you about it.
And we talked to her and shegoes yeah, I just don't want,
like my church, to see like theythink this is the social stigma

(13:28):
, part of why people don't comeforward.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Because there's a real stigma that you're going to
be looked at as the weird oneor the and and people aren't
going to talk to you the sameway anymore or treat you the
same way anymore but we had alittle private conversation with
her and we explained to hereverything, um and we, we also
try to feel I know for a fact.
Someone like that just needs toknow they're not the only one

(13:52):
like.
As soon as they hear otherpeople are experiencing the same
thing and they're scared of thesame thing, they all of a
sudden feel like vindicated andthey're more confident to like
tell you that they they open upso much when we're just like hey
, you're not the only one that'sgone through this.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Obviously, we do it all the time.
They open up so much more andthey give us more details.
They don't think they're crazy.
We've had people who are likehey, you probably think we're
crazy.
We're like really, we do thisfor a living, this is our hobby.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
This is normal Tuesdayuesday night for me, lady
.
Well, and not only that, butI'm really looking forward to
the comment section on this,because I know we've had a
couple of people that on thelike youtube channel and stuff
like that you know they commentabout freemasons and how we're
evil and all this other stuff.
I'm really looking forward tothe comment section whenever
this video gets posted, becauseit's going to be like I knew you
Freemasons were into some weirdstuff.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
So this is okay.
We Freemasons Freemasonry ismade up of you Okay, we have
plumbers, we have DJs, we haveparanormal investigators.
We are you, and so we'relooking for the truth.
I think it's brave to publiclyhave a podcast looking at this
stuff and, you know, I thinkit's good that you're trying to

(15:11):
make it, treat it like withrespect and give people an
outlet to know, trying to helpthose people Like you're not
there to prove a point or to getsomething for your own podcast.
You're kind of saying thatyou're there to, like, counsel

(15:32):
them or help them get throughwhat they're dealing with.
That's what it sounds like.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
We try to help as many people as we can.
I mean, you know, there arepeople there that are need
medical help in a way likethey're legit crazy yeah, they
are um, and we we still try totalk to them and help them out
through the situations thatthey're going through and we

(15:59):
were like, hey, you might needto go seek some medical
attention or you might need togo see.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
We know there are legit medical conditions where
you will hear voices that youthink are real.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
Yeah, that's called schizophrenia kids Right
Schizophrenia is an actual thingand schizophrenics.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
They really believe they're hearing things that
aren't happening.
But to them it is real.
And there's a great moviecalled the beautiful mind with
Russell Crowe that kind ofdelves into a schizophrenic guy
who happens to be a collegeeducated professor and he gets
so psychotic that he believeshe's working for the government

(16:37):
to try to uncover a plot ofNazis and stuff and he's like
harming people and so he windsup on medication and they're.
But obviously on the medicationhe loses his ability to do
advanced science because it'sserious.
I mean, when you have apsychotic condition, what
they're giving you are crazyheavy drugs, so of course it's

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going to affect your personality.
So he hated the drugs becausehe couldn't do what he loved
anymore and so he tried to weanhimself off the drugs by always
having a third party to verifyhis reality.
So when the voices would talkto him he'd take a student and
be like do you see that guy?
And if they say no, he'd belike thank you very much, and

(17:21):
he'd know to ignore the person.
There's also a good movie aboutthat called fight club, but we
don't talk about it.
I love fight club.
It's, uh, one of my top fivemovies of all time.
So, okay, the advancedaerospace threat identification
program, atip, is what youprobably know.
It came out in 2017.

(17:42):
Washington post I thinksomebody did an article that the
government has a legitimateagency investigating this stuff
Came out that the they.
Louis Alessandro was the headof this group and he came out
and basically whistleblowed andsaid this is going on.
I work for them.
We have I don't know how muchstupid.

(18:03):
Twenty two million dollars wasassigned to the secret
organization and all the moneyis coming through the Air Force
Right and they don't answer toCongress.
They don't.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Of course they don't.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
They don't report to senators or presidents, they
report to the committee thatfunds them within the government
, and so a lot of these peoplewind up being contractors,
because if you're a federalemployee, there's different
rules, so they contract work topeople that aren't federal
employees but they work insecret government agencies.
It's a crazy thing, and so thisguy came forward.

(18:37):
This is you.
You saw the tic-tac videos.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
You've seen like all that public stuff came out of
this atip program that peopleleaked for for those, for those
who don't know before, we justkind of, you know, blast over
that real quick.
The tic-tac video actually wasvery well documented on the joe
rogan podcast, but it was a um.
I think it was a navy pilot whoactually recorded this tic-tac
shaped um device unexplainedaerial phenomena, uap as they're

(19:06):
calling it now and so it wastraveling at a at some
ridiculous mock speed, made a 90degree turn and without losing
velocity at all, and then wentdown into the water with no
splash and the, and it didn'tlose any of its speed, and so
they can't explain these things.
So either they're homemadedomestic crafts or they're
something you know off planet.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Well, so now there's a program called the UAP Task
Force this is what exists rightnow today that we know about and
the task force is a governmentagency and their job is to look
into this stuff.
So they've opened up reportingto the military.
In the military it used to beif you reported a UFO, you were
out of the military.
It's honorably discharged.
You're crazy, you can't fly.

(19:51):
And so it was not talked about.
And now that public knows aboutit, the government has to be
more visible.
So they have a governmentwebsite you can go to to report
UFO activity, paranormalactivity, sightings of weird
creatures.
They want to know about it andthe UAP task force is supposed

(20:12):
to be investigating andreporting to Congress.
They released their firstreport.
How long do you think agovernment report on this topic
should have been?
Volumes is what it should havebeen.
It was four or five pages andthey basically said that it
doesn't look like there's muchhere.
It doesn't look like there'smuch interest to our defense
system in the United States.

(20:32):
So we are actively livingthrough a time where they are
trying to pass legislation inour government to get more
transparency on what thegovernment's investigating and
what they know about this stuff.
But what they're saying in theRepublic reports, after they've
investigated these reports fromNavy pilots and government like
highly credible witnesses, isit's not alien.

(20:55):
They're 100% saying we don'tthink this is alien technology.
What they're saying is it's notours and it's not.
We really don't think this is ais like a foreign government
stuff because it's just so crazy.
It's defying physics.
But we also have no evidencethat it's alien.
This is what their publicreports have said so far.

(21:15):
So if we look at Bigelow, whodid a joint investigation for 20
years on a very interestingpart of the earth, he released a
494 page document and thatreport basically details how
they have recorded with science,everything from cryptids to

(21:36):
paranormal stuff, to uapactivity, to, uh, remote viewing
experiences which is a wholeother thing.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Remote viewing was legit.
It is legit, it's 100% legitSpeaking of remote viewing.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
And the government.
Our government, as well asothers, had entire programs of
people using this forcounterintelligence.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Mike, what were you going to say?
We actually do an experimentwhile we're doing investigations
, where it's almost like remoteviewing.
We call it the Gansfeld, whichwas also an experiment used by
the government back in I believeI forgot how long ago that was
before my time and so the oldway they used it.

(22:20):
They used to put ping pongballs in your eyes to keep them
wide open and they'd have a redlight pointed at you to your
face, with some headphones, um,on, and it'll just play white
noise and they'll try to seewhat they can pick up on just
with that.
So we use it for the paranormalfield.
Um, we've advanced it now.

(22:41):
We've actually we're making ourown with RV glasses, goggles
and we're trying to make it niceand look.
But we use it now and it works.
The receptive people get so muchinformation they go in blind.
They have no idea of thehistory of the place or anything

(23:02):
that's going on.
They have no idea of thehistory of the place or anything
that's going on, and we putthem in a corner of a room and
they're telling us you know,there was a fire in 1970 here.
Five people died.
This person's coming through,there's a female lady telling me
that you know her kids were inthe basement.
We pick up so much informationoff of these experiments, or off

(23:22):
of just that one.
Then we have another one calledthe SD session.
This one doesn't have a redlight, you're just blindfolded
and you're having radio, radiofrequencies running through into
your headphones and from thereyou get, you know, a couple of
words, sometimes you even get asentence coming through, you get
names and you get, you get.

(23:45):
You get just about anything.
But we, we, and when we go toother groups they're like, oh,
we don't really do muchexperiments on while we're going
out in the paranormal, we justdo our normal equipment and
we're like, no, well, you shouldtry experiments.
They can help out and give youa lot more information here and
there.
But with those you also have tomake sure that the information

(24:06):
you're getting is going alongwith the historical facts that
you have researched, or that theperson that does the research
for your team.
It goes all together, becauseat that point you're just like,
oh, you can say anything.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
And keep in mind, none of this is new, to be fair,
and so, especially a lot ofpeople that aren't as receptive
to this ideology or receptive tosome of this information,
they'll be like, oh no, you'refull of it.
Keep in mind, the Nazis werevery heavily invested into the
paranormal.
They were very heavily investedinto the spiritual.
You know all this other stuff.

(24:42):
And then, in 1945, you've gotOperation Paperclip, where they
bring 1600 German scientists,engineers and technicians from
Nazi Germany to be employed bythe US government.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
So it's like none of this is new.
Our government, at the timeyou're talking about when they
did that, literally made partsof physics national security and
not information the public wasallowed to have.
There were parts of physics andscience that were classified
and not for the general publicwere classified and not for the
general public.
Our government classifiedscience from us at that time

(25:16):
because they were working on theManhattan Project, right?
Nuclear weapons, yeah, and thatis physics and the parts of
physics that involve that becameclassified and not for the
general public.
So when the government thinksthat things are of national
security, they keep it fromeverybody else.
That's how it works.
So it's not just the UnitedStates.

(25:38):
We have public operations inBrazil, several in Canada,
france, the Soviet Union, unitedKingdom, uruguay and many other
countries, the South Pole.
Their governments have hadpublic programs investigating
this stuff.
And you know, when you talkabout remote viewing, there's a
well-known guy who was active inthe 50s and he was known

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because he could go into atranslised state and someone
would come to him with aphysical ailment and he would
tap into this knowledge thatexists in the ether.
I don't know, that's how heexplained it and he would be
able to give them what at thetime seemed like an insane
medical treatment for theirailment, and a lot of the

(26:20):
treatments he came up with inhis trans-like state are medical
science still being used today.
So you can't tell me thatthere's not enough proof that
this exists.
That doesn't mean we're allcapable of doing that, but I
think some people are totallycapable of doing that.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
I think I think I've heard that explained as white
magic White magic yeah.
So there's a difference betweenblack magic and white magic,
white magic being to help people.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
You know, one of my favorite books is called the
Four Agreements and it's ancientToltec wisdom and that's how
they kind of classify magic aseither being black or white.
But it's so simple as your words, your words, can be used as
magic, and you can use it forwhite magic or black magic.
So they use an example of a momcoming home after a long day of

(27:08):
work and her kids jumping upand down singing on the couch
and she's like, would you justshut up?
The words came out of her mouth, they went into the child's
ears and the child for the restof its life thinks they're not
good enough, the singing ishorrible, it's something they're
embarrassed of, because thewords from the mother put that
concept into the soul of thatchild and it became a ruling

(27:31):
governing part of their life.
And so you can use words in thesame way in the positive and
telling someone but you are good, you are strong, and they need
to hear that, because that'spower that they can take in and
make it part of their life andstart to feel like they are good
and they are strong, or maybethe kids should get better at
singing and stop sucking so much, so you have kids.

(27:57):
I can tell you have kids.
It's kind of scary when youthink about the power of your
words, especially over innocentthings like children or sick
people.
You have a lot of power in yourwords.
Their whole philosophy is thatGod is inside of us and that our
worlds are all a dream to eachof us.
So I'm dreaming every day and Ihave the capacity to control my

(28:22):
dream if I'm willing to go farenough to make myself aware.
And what is hell?
It's a place of pain, suffering, anger, regret, and I am living
in hell every day.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
That's my dream.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
That's my dream, and so I have a little leech.
When we're all children wearen't like that.
When we're children, we're veryopen to the world, we're very
accepting of everything, we'requick to adapt and change.
But we become domesticated asadults and the process of
domestication is sit down, shutup, don't touch that, don't do
this, don't do that.

(28:56):
And so you put this leech intothe mind of a child that carries
with them through life, thatconstantly tells them you're an
idiot, don't do this, don't dothat.
You're going to fail.
And you have to become awarethat that's happening.
And then you have the capacityto live your life from a place
of love and forgiveness andcompassion, which is heaven.

(29:16):
So you can choose to live inheaven every day or you can
choose to live in hell every day.
You have control over it.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
You know and speaking to words as you just did, I see
that.
I actually see that in our ownlodge too and I realize I talk
about Turkey Creek a lot on thispodcast.
I want to be clear I loveTurkey Creek.
I am not about Turkey Creek alot on this podcast.
I want to be clear I loveTurkey Creek.
I am not leaving Turkey CreekLike it is like this, like
backwoods lodge that we're superchilled out.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Like, I really enjoy it.
This will be the last time he'sa member of.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Turkey Creek.
Yeah, but it's so funny because, just to speak from the
different mindsets of like, okay, what built your mindset to
where it was.
So one of the things that we'retalking about is some of us
guys who have been raisedrecently going into elected
chairs next year and so that'sscary huh.
It is Because they're talkingabout me being one of them.

(30:05):
So no, so, either way, mikey,enjoy the Tyler position, that's
all I'm saying.
Yeah, it won't last long, so,but either way, mikey, enjoy the
Tyler position, that's all I'msaying.
Yeah, it won't last long, buteither way.
It's so funny just to see thedifferent mindsets, because even
our DDGM, they come from thismindset of no, you're too young.
No, you're not ready.
No, no, no.

(30:26):
And I'm like I'm a solutionfinder, right.
So it's like okay, I don't carewhat you have to say on it,
what's the goal and what's thefastest way to get there?
You know that's and that's howmy wife and I run our household
too.
It's like we haven't had anargument in a legit argument in
years plurals, like since beforeour daughter was born and she
just turned three a couple ofdays ago.
So it's like we don't havearguments.
It's like what's the goal?

(30:50):
And I were just kind of shootingthe bull one night at family
night and he goes Matt, you know, I'm not okay with X person
going into X position becausethey're not ready, and my
response was then get them ready.
That's your job, like you're.
You're the senior member at thelodge, it's your job to get us
ready.
You know, and it's like, weneed leadership in the lodge.
We need and this is true forall lodges, you need leadership.

(31:13):
And so you have this oldergeneration that it's no, no, no,
and I don't know where it comesfrom or what spirit that comes
from.
But the younger generationneeds, you know, mikey, myself,
chris, you too, where we have tobe able to step up and say,
okay, what's going to be thebest for the fraternity, what's
going to be best for the lodge?

Speaker 1 (31:34):
And going to be best for the lodge right.
How do we get there as fast aspossible?
Well, that is change.
It's a change in thinking,because what that generation
wants to do is what they'recomfortable with, what
freemasonry is to them, what hasbeen to them.
And you're talking about movingat a pace they've never seen
before.
Right, like, think about thosepeople's mic journey.
They've never seen what you'retalking about yeah, probably

(31:55):
ever.
So it sounds kind of crazy tothem.
But I think seeing is believing100%.
Once you start showing themthat things are getting better,
not worse, by what you're doing,they'll get on board with it,
because everyone wants to bepart of the winning team.
So the second you get a couplewindowners under your belt,
trust me, they'll be behind youa hundred percent.

(32:15):
Until they see it with theirown eyes, they're not going to
believe it.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
So in October we're holding an EA degree and I want
everyone to come out and we'rejust going to, we're just going
to burn it down, like that'swhat we're going to do In a good
way.
Yeah, oh yeah, totally, totallyin a good way Burn it down
sounds horrible.
Oh, no, no, no.
And even still getting back towhy Mikey's on the show.
I mean, Mikey, you see thisstuff on a regular basis.

(32:41):
You see the spiritual aspect ona regular basis, or whether you
want to call it paranormal orwhatever, I've had my own
experiences with it, Chris.
You've had your experienceswith it.
It's like it's out there.
Do you want to believe?
It is what it boils down to.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
And with it it's like it's out there.
Do you want to believe it iswhat it boils down to?
And I don't think they willuntil it has happened to them.
So, mikey, are you now?
Now we talked about the historyand where we are today with,
like, our government, andthey're admitting stuff is out
there.
Bigelow's report I mentioned todistill down that almost 500
page report is this stuff canmostly be explained by
interdimensional activity.

(33:15):
So that's like I think where thescience community is starting
to coalesce is that all of thisweird stuff can be wrapped up in
explaining likeinterdimensional tears and risks
and crossovers that we're notcapable of understanding because
it's not of our dimension, andso that would explain why your

(33:36):
brain shuts down and all you seeis a white light and you lost
six hours time because you can'tcomprehend anything.
That's happening when you havean experience with this other
dimension.
And they actually reportportals to other dimensions
opening on Skinwalker Ranch andother places that they've
documented, things coming out ofit and things going into it.
Um, so this portal idea is areally big concept right now and

(34:01):
if you look at like allistercrowley and I don't know if
you've heard of him and thegolden.
You know all the stuff he wasinvolved in.
He claims to have done anactual ceremony that led to
opening a portal to anotherdimension and he communed with a
, with an entity from the otherdimension called lamb, and two

(34:24):
guys after his death tried totake his ceremony and do it out
in the desert, and one of thosepeople, one of those two
individuals that tried to openthat portal, supposedly failed,
went on to create the Church ofScientology.
I don't know if you're aware ofthat, but he, l Ron Hubbard, was

(34:48):
a disciple of Aleister Crowleyand he tried to repeat one of
his biggest ceremonies and hewent on to create a whole church
that still exists today and issuper powerful so so this stuff
is real, I mean it's happeningin the world people have no idea
about it and you deal with itevery day.

(35:08):
So like are you personally?
Do you go to any church?
Are you like, do you align withany kind of a specific faith of
your own?

Speaker 2 (35:16):
so I, um I, when I was younger I was, my family was
christian, very christian usedto go to church.
Takes from like two to like 10o'clock at night, and I was too
young and I was just like, yeah,but then, uh, the older I got,
I just like I'm not so into itas much, and then I started
looking around and startedresearching more other religions

(35:39):
and stuff, and the one thatjust caught my eye was, like the
Norse pagan.
I love the Norse mythology andall that, and it just that's
what stuck with me and that'swhat I go by today.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Thor and Loki and Odin Odin.
Yeah, yeah, the all father.
Yeah, that's, I love those.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
That mythology, that's what I go by.
Now my wife.
She's in the pagan religion,she does the Wiccan stuff.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
She loves that stuff so that has a lot of
misconceptions around.
If people are going to thinkshe's a witch, that she wears
like a black dress and shesacrifices babies.
She doesn't do any of that,does she?

Speaker 2 (36:24):
no.
So if you were to ever meet mywife, you'd look at her and
you'd be like, oh yeah, youwouldn't ever think that's what
she does.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
We have a brother in our lodge that's a practicing
pagan.
I have a friend in theneighboring lodge that is a
practicing pagan.
The brother Dwayne from a pastmaster's thought is a practicing
pagan.
So there are a lot of pagans inthe fraternity.
We have a past grandmaster thattried to actually make it so
that if you are a practicingpagan you can't be a Freemason.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
But I heard about that Crafts benefit.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
They voted it down and didn't allow it to happen.
So paganism is really just ifyou you could distill it down to
the worship of things you cansee the sun and the moon, and
the earth and things you can see.
It's not like a creepy, spookything.
They're actually kind of payinghonor and devotion to physical

(37:25):
things like the earth and thesun and the moon and describing
aspects to those things that arespiritual.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
With everything else in this world, you know it
always gets a bad rep everythinggets a bad rep nowadays, um, if
it doesn't fit the norm forother people, it's just totally
freaking.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Normies, yeah, normies so you, um, does that
like affect any of yourinvestigations or do you just
try to put all of that away andgo and completely open mind into
every situation?

Speaker 2 (37:55):
we.
We put our own beliefs andeverything aside yeah, we put it
all aside okay and we go in, um, we just go in trying to help
people.
We don't think about ourbeliefs, we don't try to push
our beliefs onto anyone else,and we just go in there trying

(38:17):
to do something to help peopleout, and also it's fun for us to
do it.
So you know.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
How long have you been doing this?

Speaker 2 (38:25):
I started back in 2019.
I started off as a camera guywith a group.
It was just two guys and me andit was my uncle.
My uncle goes hey, you want tobe a camera guy with a group?
It was just two guys and me andit was my uncle.
My uncle goes hey, you want tobe the camera guy?
I was like, yeah, why not?
Sure, I got nothing to do onthe weekends.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
And you're not one of these.
Like you said, you're actuallyopen to everything.
It's not like you're just Iinvestigate ghost stories.
Like you're looking at whateverit is, you're gonna.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
If it's not normal, you're gonna, go check it out
yeah, um, I actually on theweekends we didn't have anything
we'd go out to like folkloreplaces.
Like here in florida there'sthe devil's tree.
I don't know if you guys haveheard of it.
Yeah, um, we've driven out two,three hours to go to that place
trying to find this devil'stree.
It took us two days to find it.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
You did find it?

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Yeah, we found it.
If you go onto our Facebook orInstagram or YouTube, you will
actually see the video on there.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
So I'm going to link to all of your social profiles
and your website on this podcastso people can easily get to it.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
And we go to places that we find and that have any
scary stories to them.
Uh, we, I was doing that for abit.
It's not just, you know, go.
Hey, you know someone calledand they need an investigation.
No, when we're bored we justalso go out and try to find
places that might have any uhactivity or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
So have you checked out casadega?

Speaker 2 (39:57):
I've heard of it and I have a lot of people have told
me about it.
We haven't gone yet.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
I've been to.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Casadega multiple times and it is a psychic town.
It was built by psychics fromthe Northeast that came down
here to practice their stuff andthey sell a lot.
There's a lot of crystalculture.
There's a lot of past lifeaggression stuff.
There's a lot of.
You can get an official readingthere.

(40:23):
They have, like ufo survivorgroups.
It's become this community oflike the other.
So casadega has a hotel thatwas featured on unsolved
mysteries because it's sohaunted, um, and that town is
full of psychics, so you gottago check it out, man, it is.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
It's like another world over there, chris don't
encourage him, he's gonna getanother hitchhiker hey, it's
okay this one's gonna be bob,and bob was the other assassin
that frank had to contend with.
They'll be like demus andbutthead in his bedroom I was
thinking like good spy, bad spy.
You know the black and whiteguys, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,
they have a group meeting every.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
All the hitchhikers have a group meeting out in the
back, in the backyard, everyonce in a while I only know
because, as soon as I walk in, Ifeel a cold chill.
I'm like, oh man, I'm likethey're having a meeting today
uh, really sucks.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
We're ethereal.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
We can't drink bourbon anymore maybe they're
giving you the urge to throughthem.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
I leave them a glass of wine every once in a while
and I see it spilled over.
They don't want wine.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Really.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
No.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
But they would like a 3Ruffian cigar which you can go
to 3Ruffianscom.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Hey, now I have four of their older, your guys' older
cigars.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
The 3Ruffians are better, ours, the three ruffians
, are better.
So, uh like, if anyone's stilllistening, uh, for the show,
that wasn't a believer at thebeginning or thought this was
all crazy nonsense, what isthere anything you can tell them
based on your experiences thatare like have you got any really

(41:59):
compelling things documented,or even personally, that you can
tell stories of that havehappened that people that don't
believe in it would have to takea second?
To look at that and say oh wait, a second, that's weird.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
If you're not a believer, like you were saying,
you have to go through your ownpersonal experiences.
Because for me to try to tell aperson what I was going through
or what I went through in thattime, and they just look at you,

(42:40):
maybe agree with you here andthere, but then later down, once
you finish the conversation,you're like oh, that guy's's
crazy.
I don't know if I want to talkto that guy again, right?
Um, it's hard to persuadesomebody or any listeners.
It's just go on to our page andcheck out our videos and if you
believe it, you believe it.
If not, then hey, at least youhad an hour of fun watching
crazy people talk to the darkfor an hour.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
That's like the attitude that I feel like a lot
of people have these days.
It used to be.
People would get so mad becauseno one believed them, but I
think people generally that comeforward don't really care
anymore whether you believe themor not.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
They're like look.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
I'm telling you what happened to me.
I don't really care if youbelieve me or not, I just want
to get it out there and get itoff my chest, and that seems to
be like the prevalent attitudethese days is there's not a lot
of fear anymore.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
No, there's not what other people are going to think
about you I, I do, I've doneconstruction, so I all my fears
have gone right out the window.
There's no fear in me at all.
It's step on a.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
You're in a bathroom with Matt Stone alone for half a
day.
You've got to be fearless.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Hey, I mean, there was no fear.
Honestly, I was like Matt,what's up there?

Speaker 3 (43:51):
was nothing but Masonic brotherly love, while we
were in that shower, togetherwith a 70-year-old woman
watching us.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Yes, no questions added, no questions asked,
nothing, she was just watching Ijust want to know how the
handful of nickels comes intothis story.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
You know I will forever keep it concealed and
never reveal.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
That's what I'll do okay.
All right, good of you good onyou.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
I know there's one story.
We went to mirador.
There you go.
I don't know if you guys haveever heard of the mirador no
it's an airbnb now.
Uh, they just sold it.
They sold it for a bunch ofmoney.
But before they sold it there'san old lady.
She let us.
We rented out the whole umairbnb and the story is the old

(44:35):
train master used to live inthat um, that house, and the
train station was right down thestreet from them.
So we got there early.
We go over to the where thetrain station museum is that's
what they call it.
Now it's a museum and we foundan old train spike there,
brought it back.
We call it a trigger object.

(44:55):
We bring it back with us.
Hopefully we can get a responseor something from it.
So we ended up doing ourexperiments with that um train
spike and it was two of us itwas me and another investigator
and she was picking up on arunaway slave and she was
telling us like he's runningthrough the woods, they're

(45:17):
chasing him, she that she hearsdogs after her and this and that
so she finishes her experiment.
Then I go in and I ended uppicking up the very end of that
runaway slave's life.
So I was going through theemotions of him passing away.
So I started they were like oh,you were like, oh my god, oh my

(45:40):
god, and you sounded veryworried and then, towards the
end, you started gettingpeaceful and your oh my God
started slowing down.
But then you started explainingthat you're seeing smoke and
you're looking up and it starteddimming, like everything around
you started getting black, andone of them was like oh, I think
he's experiencing death, weshould pull him out.

(46:02):
I was like, oh, I think he'sexperiencing death, we should
pull him out.
I was like no, no, he soundspeaceful, just keep letting him
go Peaceful.
So they pulled me out and Ihear them telling me that and
I'm like you were going to letme die.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Oh yeah Seems peaceful.
Yes, yeah, yeah, it's realpeaceful.
The man's dying here.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
He's like he seemed peaceful.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's realpeaceful.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
The man's dying here.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
He's, like you, seem peaceful.
That's a funny story we have.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Hilarious, yeah, no, I mean, I honestly couldn't do
what you're doing because Idon't know.
I just don't see the point ofputting myself in the situation
if I don't need to be in it.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
I couldn't do it because I'm a pansy.
That's why.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Yeah, I mean, that's another way of putting what I'm
saying.
We're on the same page.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
I'd say it's like huh , do I want to experience death
on my weekend?

Speaker 1 (46:58):
off Right.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
I think one time is all I need that.
Yeah, do I want to reenact?
Or or to experience being arunaway slave with dogs chasing
me?
I mean, gosh, it's the ballgame, or do that?

Speaker 2 (47:12):
and mind you, we're, we're blindfolded.
We don't hear what's goingoutside, we have no idea like
what questions are being asked.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Nothing like we have noise cancellation headphones
people think that, that, thatwhat you're doing.
What did you call thatexperiment?

Speaker 2 (47:27):
where you're like there's two of them.
There's a gansfeld um, and thenthere's also the sd session sd
sds, sds, yep, yep, sts.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
And so the government uses this by putting they'll
take like 20, 30, 50 people andput them on one specific thing
and say I need you to look atthis area of the earth and tell
me what you see, or whatever.
And they actually take eachreport independently.
They don't talk to each other,and so they accumulate data from

(48:02):
multiple remote viewers and andthe trends start to emerge.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
Uh, they're able to find russian submarines that way
oh, yeah, yeah yeah, they werealso using it for russian.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
I think it was the nuclear and russians have been
openly using that as a method ofgaining intelligence and
probably still are to this day,for decades.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
I think my favorite story about the remote viewing
that you just mentioned and theguy who located the Russian sub
and he had like a 60 or 70percent accuracy is they handed
him an envelope at one point andthey were like, hey, just
concentrate on what's inside theenvelope.
And he's like, what is it?
They were like we're nottelling you, just concentrate on
what's inside the envelope.
So he sees like a civilizationat war and all this other stuff

(48:47):
and so like a nuclear bomb endsup going off and destroying
everything.
And then he goes what was Ilooking at?
And he opens it up and it wasactually coordinates and a year
in the past on mars.
Uh, yeah, I've heard that story.
Actually that's easily one ofthe best stories about remote
viewing I've ever.
Obviously, there's no way toverify if it's true or not until
Elon Musk gets us there.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Well, they're started .
They've already got, I think,just like last week.
They have evidence of microbiallife on Mars.
So now there's some proof thatthere was life on Mars, and now
the question is what happened toit if there was life on Mars?
And even they're detectingsigns of life on Venus.
I don't know if you've heardthis, but they're detecting

(49:29):
trace ammonia in the atmosphere,and ammonia is only produced
through the bioprocess of lifeand death.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
How far down this rabbit hole do you want to go?
Because there's a guy who'stalking about.
We have a space fleet parkedout there behind Saturn.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
You know, there are many stories about government
projects that involve deals thatpresidents have made with
aliens, and there's a galacticfederation that we're a part of.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
That's why I created the Space Force.
Some say it's the best SpaceForce.
I wouldn't say that, but somesay it's the best.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
It's the biggest.
It's the biggest and best.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Space Force.
Their training videos areabysmal, by the way.
They are so bad.
The Space Force yeah, theirbasic training videos.
They are so terrible.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Well that we have a Space Force.
It's another branch of thegovernment Government's
interested in space, Everyone'sinterested in space.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Yeah, we need another branch of government, like we
need another hole in the head.
We just don't?

Speaker 1 (50:33):
I think that you exhibit strong libertarian vibes
, brother.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Why?
Whatever do you mean, Chris,have you read my Facebook page
recently?

Speaker 1 (50:43):
I have.
I have.
I find it very entertaining umI I I've been getting into like
a lot with right worshipfulcatsilas, which is fun I love
that guy man.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
He is great.
I watch you two go back andforth and I'm just like munching
on popcorn while I'm watchingy'all guys debate.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
It's not negative.
We're not attacking each otherpersonally.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
There's some conversations and it does get
funny.
We try to keep it light.
I think it should be that way.
If you're going to talkpolitics or you run the risk of
getting a little too seriouswith it, we've got to be able to
talk to each other, or this isall for nothing.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
If we we can't be united nation of states, I don't
know what the hell we got youknow I think that's probably one
of the you know to bring itback around to you know the
podcast and what it's.
What it's based in for is thathas been some of the most
interesting conversations I'veever had.
Masonically is I know masonicsatanists and I know, yeah, I

(51:46):
know ones that actually practicespell casting and all this
other stuff, and I'm like couldyou not touch me?
Like just like I'll talk to you, I'll sit next to you and lodge
, but like make sure our kneesdon't touch, please.
You always got one eye on thatguy.
Like yes, and so you know it'sso interesting.
Like no, the bulk majority ofpeople that I meet in masonry
are christians or deists orsomething along those lines, the

(52:07):
vast majority in florida arefor sure christian, but there
are a handful of people thattake the dungeons and dragon
spells a little too seriouslyyeah, I mean I'm a fan of
dungeon dragons.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Haven't played in a while but hey, if anyone's
listening, I'd love to get agroup together.
Let's do it.
Let's play online.
I'll Dungeon Master if I haveto.
I'd rather be a player.
And I read JD Vance is big intoLord of the Rings.
Really, I did a little research.
A lot of the companies he'sbeen involved in have references

(52:36):
to Lord of the Rings and so Iguess he's a huge Lord of the
Rings fan, which is kind of thesame stuff Dungeons and Dragons,
you know the politicalatmosphere right now is so
entertaining.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
We've got one potential VP pick that has an
affinity for furniture andanother one that has an affinity
for equestrian lifestyle.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
I don't know what to do.
Neither of those things is true.
You know that, I know, butthey're still hilarious.
Those stories are out there andpeople believe it.
It's crazy.
Yeah, there are people thatactually believe that jd vance
had sex with a couch, and it'snot true.
He didn't.
Fii, it's just a funny storythat somehow took off and now

(53:17):
it's out there and then there'sthe story of the.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
what's the other guy's name?
Uh, uh kam.
Uh, kamala's pick Waltz, yeah,that he had to get his stomach
pumped from uh horse semen.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
What?
Oh, you haven't heard that.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
No, oh dude, somebody like posted?

Speaker 1 (53:31):
this article.
How much horse semen in you?

Speaker 3 (53:35):
That is a fantastic question.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
I want to know about the harvesting process.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Yeah, not for any other reason, but for curiosity.
I was raised on a farm.
Like I'm just curious, yes, andmatt's like I try, okay, and
you cannot get that much semenout of a horse.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Look you come to find out you can't milk a bull.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
I learned that the hard way, I'm kidding, for the
record, I did not try to milk abull, okay, okay we all believe
you wink wink, that's messed up.
We have to edit this out.
It's in the internet, it's inthe ether, yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
It's out there now, it's true, pleasure's male bulls
.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
That's not a true statement at all, but never had
a stomach pump for semen.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
That's a new one.
I hadn't heard that, yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
No, I would.
I would say the only, I guessprobably the most, and this
isn't uncommon, but like themost sketchy thing that I've
ever done on the farm is Iactually had to pull a calf and
so I actually had to reach upinto the back of the the mother
cow.
It was hung and I actually hadto reach up in there and and try
to work this calf out, becauseotherwise you're going to lose

(54:39):
both.
Yeah, yeah.
So that was a.
That was a five gallon bucketin an open field and a really
bad day.
Did the baby make it?
No, actually neither one madeit.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Oh really.
Yeah, the, the, the baby youdon't have a bloom, a blooming
career in veterinary medicinehere.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
so far no no, no, I, but I do have one in a nine
millimeter, that is true.
Oh, you had to put them down,yeah, so what ended up happening
is the baby had died previously, and so it was stillborn, and
so, without getting into toomuch detail, like I wasn't able
to pull the entire calf out, Iwas pulling portions out.

(55:17):
Oh my God, oh, it was rough, itwas rough, and my wife was
there for this too.
Uh, so we were dating at thetime and she's like I'm southern
, I'm southern, I'm like babe,can you do me a favor and just
hold the tail?
and I'm like deep into thisthing right, so you're really
gonna have to edit this outthat's how you knew you had the
one yeah, well, it was funnybecause she's sitting there
talking about how she's southernand she was from montgomery al,

(55:39):
all this other stuff, and I'mlike just hold the tail.
And she's like, yeah, exactly,so either way, come to find out
I couldn't save either one, youknow.
So the baby was stillborn andthen I couldn't get, you know,
all that out, so ended up havingto put the mother down as well.
Damn, that's hard.
Well, I mean, you know you'reraised on a property with 150

(56:03):
head of cattle.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
I mean, we were pulling calves whenever I was
like five, six years old, sothat's not uncommon for me to
have experienced, I have to say,now that I'm more out in the
country on my own.
There is definitely Because Igrew up in cities like a typical
American, probably from theNorth, right, yeah.
And so now that I'm out in thecountry, life and death is a
part of every day.

(56:24):
It just is.
And it's not when you're in thecity and you're just, you're
living the people life, humanlife, only you aren't around.
That only death, you see, isyour pet goldfish and your dog
or your grandma, uh.
But when you're in the wild,yeah, and you wild, and you're
dealing with other animals,death is a part of your everyday
life.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
Look, whenever it comes to nature, whenever it
comes to humans, I mean, livingin a city or living in a suburb
is abnormal throughout thecourse of human history.
It's totally abnormal the factthat we don't experience death
but a few times in our lives.
Yeah, it shows how comfortablewe've become.
Yeah, and, and you know, for meI mean growing up, it's like we

(57:05):
were our own first responders.
You know, we, we were our ownpolice, we were our own medical.
So it's like I do medicaltraining my daughter.
Whenever she gets old enough,she'll be doing medical training
and firearms training.
And you were your own dates.
Yep, I was my own date.
Uh, yep, so, yep, I was my owndate.
Yep, so I was my own first love.
That's what I am.
I still love me, some me.
Broke up five times, five times, and still couldn't get away.

(57:31):
So, either way, yeah, I meanand you're experiencing this now
, living where you live now Isthat just how different it is
living in a subdivision versusliving out on 10, 15 acres?

Speaker 1 (57:43):
I've been against guns my whole life.
Um, and I now own four gunsAtta boy, a rifle, a shotgun and
two handguns Atta boy.
I mean.
You know it's not like a choiceanymore.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
This is how life is and you need to be prepared.
You know I actually uh, my wifewoke me up this morning and she
was like, uh, you know seven,you know I was awake, but you
know, just kind of like layingin bed being lazy, and she's
like, hey, I need you to grabyour 22 and walk out the front
door of the house and I was likewhy she goes?
Something is trying to get thechickens and you need to sneak
up on them.
Say less, so yeah, so the wholeuh having to deal with

(58:21):
predators and everything.
I've already dealt with thatthis morning, just this morning.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Yeah, wow, yeah, I mean it's for for people that
have been in city life theirwhole life.
They're never going tounderstand that life you know,
or that world, and there's a lotof hardship in it.
But again like and there's alot of hardship in it, but again
like, hardship is part ofmaking someone a better person
in my mind and my experience.
So don't knock that.
In fact you should.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
if you're lucky, you'll get to experience some of
that in your life and evenstill, like you know, some of it
can be used for like good,valuable teaching, and I don't
know how we got off on thistangent.
We're talking aboutsupernatural, now we're talking
about shooting animals, but, buteither way, what's that?

Speaker 2 (59:04):
It goes along with it .

Speaker 3 (59:05):
Yeah, so the next hitchhiker you're going to pick
up is going to be a rooster thatI shot a while back, but either
way we're out there by thechickens and my daughter she was
two at the time, two and a halfand my rooster jump up and
spurred her back, and so I don'tknow if you guys have felt the
spurs on a rooster, but thosethings are solid, like they'll.
They'll cut you open prettyeasily.
And so you know, before thatrooster ever hit the ground, I

(59:28):
carry a firearm on me every dayand so my, my EDC, and so I draw
it.
I have it drawn ready to handlethis whole rooster situation
and so shot the rooster, broughtBrooke back outside, and I was
able to teach her a veryvaluable lesson that if anything
hurts you, it's dad's job tonow hurt that thing, whatever

(59:52):
that is, I don't care if it's aperson, I don't care if it's an
animal, no matter what it is.
If anything hurts you, you tellme I hurt that thing.
And so, sure enough, if you askmy daughter, I could probably
get her on right now.
But if you were to ask mydaughter, hey, what happened to
the rooster?
Dad shot him, like, really like, okay, why dad killed him?
Because he hurt me, like, andthat's.

(01:00:15):
But like she understands.
Like you know, mythree-year-old has a concept of
life and death and so uh, whichled to a very awkward
conversation whenever she askedme where my dad was.
Yeah, you know, mythree-year-old has a concept of
life and death and so uh, whichled to a very awkward
conversation whenever she askedme where my dad was.
You know, we're driving downthe road and I have to explain
to her that my dad died.
And you know, with my faith,you know, you know my dad's with
Jesus, and then she looks at meand she was like, you know,
through the rear view mirror,she looks at me.

(01:00:36):
She's like can I go see him?
No, baby, no, you can't.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
That's a one way ticket.
Not today, honey, not today.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
How did we get on this, my gosh, I mean it's a.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
This podcast is a black hole of rabbit holes, you
know could go anywhere.
We got two episodes out of this.
There's going to be a part oneand a part two.
Uh, so we'll break this up,mikey, and do this over two
weeks.
If you have anything to reportand you don't know where to go,

(01:01:09):
go to aaromil.
That is the all domain anomalyresearch office of the US
government where they wantcitizens to report this stuff.
Aaro-r-o, dot M-I-L.
You can read all about theAll-Domain Anomaly Research
Office and what they do and youcan actually report whether you

(01:01:30):
had a creature you saw or youhad some black figures in your
house at night or you saw somelights in the sky.
That's where you want to goreport it and let the government
know and investigate that stuff.
Or you can contact Beyond theBoundaries out of sunny Sarasota
, florida, if you're in thatarea.

(01:01:52):
I mean, how far out do you go?

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
You can go anywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
You'll go to Zimbabwe , you'll go to Tanzania.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
We actually are even planning on going to Georgia.
There's a bunch of reports inGeorgia for paranormal stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Uh-huh.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
So Georgia anywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
So anywhere, anywhere , he'll take your reports and
we're going to link his Facebookand YouTube and his website.
Beyondtheparanormalwixsitecomis his website and you can see
their experiences.
They've had the investigationsthey've done.
They have a podcast you canwatch and listen to or you can

(01:02:29):
have them come with theirequipment I'm sure you have some
like scientific equipment rightthat you're bringing to measure
different things, what are?
you using in that realm rightnow as far as your equipment
goes so we, we get new I don'tknow if I like that snicker I

(01:02:50):
know when you ask a question andsomeone goes, yes, it's like
wait, what did I just step intothat?

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
was a simple question .
We literally had to buy a whole.
Um, you know those rollingtoolboxes that you get at like
home depot, walmart or whateverwith like different cases.
We have one with like four orfive cases filled with equipment
.
Oh wow, thousands of dollars ofequipment we got.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Jeez, I mean so typically they're gonna have
things to measureelectromagnetic.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
EMFs, we got Trifields, we got everything you
got night vision.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
You got LiDAR stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
You got magnetic measuring.
We don't have LiDAR.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
You don't have LiDAR, we don't have LiDAR.
You can buy them for a fewhundred bucks.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
That's probably the next investment we'll make.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
I have one, so invite me and I'll bring my LIDAR
equipment.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
We also, if anyone requests to come down and join
us on an investigation, we takepeople to come down and have fun
with us at an investigation oranything.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
I think it should be noted that the hitchhikers are
an additional fee, so yeah,that's like a you know 1099
additional fee.
Yeah, so if you take home aFrank, there's going to be an
additional cost for that?

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Or if you get your own Frank,then that's, you know,
additional charge.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
I'm going to leave with one thing that I uncovered
on my own.
That, uh, I'm in.
I'm actually stillinvestigating.
I haven't bought it yet.
There's a device called themadar m-a-d-a-r.
You can check it out atstoremadarsite this.
Uh, so the government's notbeing forthcoming.
None of the governments areabout what they know.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
Shocking sir, I know shocking right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
So there are a group of scientists that have created
a device that measures all thestuff that they typically see
disturbances in when there'ssome weird strangeness happening
right, and it's usuallyinvolved some type of magnetic
disturbance and some electricalinterference and there's certain
frequencies that they startpicking up signals at, and it's

(01:05:06):
a common thing that happenswhenever there's a ghost story
or a UAP sighting or a sightingof an animal.
So you can buy this box thathas all of these elements in it.
It measures radioactivity, itmeasures like everything, and it
connects to your home, acomputer, and it's sending the
information through a network,because everyone else that has a

(01:05:29):
MADAR device is also sendingthat live information through a
feed, and so if you ever have anexperience, you report it.
Or even if you haven'texperienced anything, they can
give you an indication that yourwarnings are going off in your
device and other devices aroundyou.
So there's some activity in thearea and they're trying to get

(01:05:49):
as much data as they can tostart to coordinate an actual
investigation by citizens.
So it's called the MADAR device.
I'm considering buying one.
Check it out, storemadarsite,and let me know if you think
this is like some.
I mean, I already got all thegovernment, normal government,
watch stuff.
Right, I got my phone, I got myring cameras.

(01:06:10):
They're already watching andlistening to everything.
So how bad can this device be?
That's where my head's at.
I'm already giving themeverything you know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
We should really solidify all the, all the people
that speak poorly about masonry.
Let's just start an independentbody that exclusively, like,
looks after paranormal stuff.
Like not masonic.
No, let's go ahead and make itmasonic.
Yeah, let's just go ahead andtravel down this path yeah,
let's have a masonic, we aresatan worshippers, you got us
and we do eat babies and uh yeahthey're delicious and and we

(01:06:42):
summon the grays and we have afrog that spits fire and it
reveals the message from Satan.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
No, I have seen the frog that spits fire that I have
yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
That's called a dragon, my friend, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
I saw the house of dragons too.
Man, I seen it All, right, Iknow what's going on?

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
I watched game of Thrones.
I know what you're on about.
That's just awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
By the way, just ended season two, dracarys,
let's do it All right, guys.
Matt, you got anything else youwant to add before we uh end
the suffering of our poorlisteners?
No I think people are gettingto know me in a very intimate

(01:07:24):
way that I'm not necessarilyokay with.
I want to thank you for sharingyour personal story of what
happened with your father.
That's really personal and it'sreally brave to share that
publicly.
So thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
I have not told that story to anybody, so what better
place to share it than withthousands of Masonic brothers
and eavesdroppers that we'regoing to have here on this
podcast?

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
We welcome the Kylans .
You're welcome on this show,justine Mikey.
How about you?
Anything you want to add on theway out?

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
Just check us out on Facebook, Instagram, even TikTok
, and just let us know feedbackson what you guys think.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Anything that you would say to someone that's
thinking about getting intomasonry but maybe doesn't know.
Do it If it's for them.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
Do it Just find the labs that's correct for you.
Make sure you connect with thebrothers there and enjoy your
journey.
If you do end up going into it,enjoy the journey, take it slow
.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
And know that not all of us are weird.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
I mean Just the ones we hang out with.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
Yeah, just our little circle here.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
The weirder, the better for us at On the Level
Podcast.
Thank you, mikey, for comingfrom Beyond the Boundaries
Paranormal.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
I'm sorry.
I said thank you for having me.
Oh'm sorry, I said thank youfor having me.
Oh, I thought I said it wrong.
Okay, good, you're welcome.
Thank you for being here.
We'll have you back.
This is going to be twoepisodes.
You'll be on over the course oftwo weeks.
Awesome People will hopefullyreach out to you with what's
going on.
I hope you follow up with us,if anyone allows.
If a Mason reaches out to youand they're willing to share

(01:08:59):
their story, we'd love to have afollow-up to hear that'd be
great.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
I and even if there's any lodges that you know need
investigation or lodges there-you go?
Yeah, that'd be awesome.
I really, I'm really want to doone of those.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
So, uh, here's another episode from on the
level podcast.
Join us as we continue to delveinto some of the current
affairs and freemasonry herecoming up.
There's been some interestingthings going on in our state and
we may start to talk about iton the podcast.
We're definitely going to doseveral episodes on the taxel
hoax here coming up soon,woo-hoo.
So I know Matt's lookingforward to that one, and so am I

(01:09:36):
.
I'm trying to get the rightguest that maybe is an expert or
knows something about this totalk about it, but if we can't
screw it, we're just gonna do itourselves.
Uh, I can't wait anymore.
We've been wanting to talkabout this for so long, so stay
tuned for that.
Uh from you, you.