Building Success in Life & Music | MaZing

Meet MaZing, a dynamic musician and entrepreneur, who shares his inspiring journey through the cultural richness of the city and how it shapes his art. We explore the significance of environment in personal and professional development, highlighting the irreplaceable value of face-to-face interactions despite the rapid technological advancements that connect artists globally.

MaZing shares his vision for future success, balancing personal aspirations with financial growth. The conversation touches on the promising prospects of subscription models and the art of building community support. With valuable insights on communication and self-awareness, listeners are encouraged to harness available opportunities and remain authentic on their creative paths. Whether you're an emerging artist or a seasoned creative, this episode offers a wealth of knowledge to fuel your artistic and entrepreneurial aspirations.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the Honor Pursuit Podcast, where we
connect with entrepreneurs,movers, shakers and business
owners who've built amazingthings on the pursuit of their
goals and dreams.
And I'm your host, brendan Boyd.
What's up y'all?
Welcome to another episode ofthe Honor Pursuit Podcast.
We interview six, seven, eight,even nine-figure entrepreneurs.
Right, it's important that welearn from them.

(00:23):
Right, we were able to, uh, getsome information from them,
things that they've been throughon their journey, to make it
easier for you and I and otherpeople consuming this content so
you can get to your goals evenfaster.
And on today's episode, um, Igot a friend, I got a brother,
we're in miami you know what I'msaying which is a great place
to be at love it and um, today'sgoing to break down what he's

(00:46):
been up to musically, what he'sgot going on as far as business
entrepreneurship, and we'll justcontinue to drive him and stuff
like that.
Ma Zane, welcome to the pod,bro.
What up?

Speaker 2 (00:57):
baby.
What's good man.
Thank you so much for having me.
I'm grateful and incrediblyblessed to be here.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
No, I mean, this is great, bro.
This is great, I know.
The last time I saw you was inLA a couple years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
I think you came by the spot.
I think you had a lambo.
I think you pulled up in alambo.
I might have been I think itwas a drop top lambo.
It was like you and someoneelse, I think y'all were
shooting content for music.
I believe, yeah my boy Lucas.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that was.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
What was it?
That was 2020.
I was going to say Right beforethe pandemic.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
That's what I was about to say.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I thought I saw you after thatthough in LA, because I went to
LA a couple times after I don'tknow man, that's that because we
were working, we weren't workedout in the morning and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
That's the that's what I remember, the most.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
I don't remember that .
I don't remember time afterthat okay, yeah, but whatever it
just gets to show you that like, so we're from the same city
and we've been, you know,connected since then.
You moved, I moved, you grow,you've been growing, I've been
growing, yeah, still stillconnecting, and stuff like that,
and now in a whole new place tokind of make it happen.
So, bro, what actually bringsyou to?

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Miami I came down.
I was having a show on Tuesdaynight at Savage Labs Dude an
unfortunate, unforeseencircumstance.
I couldn't make it.
But also, you know, I wanted tocome down and chop it up with
you and do a couple other things.
See, some people that I knowand I'm looking to move Well,
not fully move, but I'm lookingto get a spot over here in Miami

(02:33):
too.
So I just love it here.
You know, for the past close to10 years I've been coming a
couple times a year at leastdown here.
So I love the environment, Ilove everything about the city.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
I would agree with you, and we talked a little bit
about environment, energy.
So what do you think about thisenvironment?
That has not only attracted youlike you said, you've been
coming here a couple of times ina year but when you're actually
here, what does the energy,what does the environment do for
you to help you grow and justkind of move and shake?

Speaker 2 (03:03):
I think it's super relaxing being out here, even
though there's this kind ofinflux of energy that you feel
while you're moving around andmeeting people, talking,
whatever, because there'sparties.
You got the beach, you got thisthat.
I love to swim and I love theocean and living in Dallas,

(03:23):
that's something that we don'treally have.
You know, I might get to go toa pool, but it's not the same as
waking up and going to watchthe sunset on the beach or
watching the sunset on the beachand just going for a swim,
hanging out, catching some sun.
So I love the environmentbecause of that, and then I just
love the people around here.
I love the Latin culture.
I speak some Spanish, so it'sfun to practice.
I love the Latin culture.
I speak some Spanish, so it'sfun to practice.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Do you think that environment is important in
terms of growing not onlyprofessionally but just as a
person?

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yes, I think traveling in general is really
important.
You can have a reach and youcan touch a lot of people online
and through social media, butyou have to touch the road and
touch the people.
They have to see you, feel whatit's like to be around you, so
they have to connect what theysee versus what's real.

(04:12):
You know what I'm saying Causethey can.
You know, you can chat onlineand blah, blah blah, make videos
and have a persona as an onlinepresence, but people want to
touch you.
People want to talk to you.
People want to see who youreally are in the flesh.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
How important is that in music now?
And the reason why I say thatis because you don't technically
need to test the people.
You don't need to.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, you don't need to.
You don't necessarily need to.
Yeah, you got to create anaudience and a fan base.
You can put our music, but youcan technically never pour and

(04:50):
just create that demand andreally just be where you're at
producing music.
Right, you know, you don'tnecessarily have to touch, but
you can.
It's an interesting dynamicwhere we are in 2024 and just
moving forward with technologyyou know what I mean?
Ai, all the stuff's comingBecause you can really just be

(05:10):
in your space as an artist.
Now, because I have someopinions on it too, and I'm not
an artist, I'm just, you know, Ihave some marketing background,
but I feel like as an artist,you can really hit the nail on
the head in your space, producemusic that really hits, and not

(05:31):
really have to go to differentcities or you could do both to
kind of make it happen.
So what's your thoughts on that?
Do you feel like one way or theother, or a little bit of both?

Speaker 2 (05:37):
I agree with what you said.
I think for me, this is what'sworking.
For me.
A lot of artists blow up fastand they blow up, like you said,
just doing their thing in theircity and they pop and then they
go and travel or go and tour ordo whatever.
But for me I've been more onlike a slow grind.
So I think it's important forme to go and travel, yeah, you

(06:00):
know to, in combination with theonline presence and the
marketing and all of thosethings.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
So what are some of the things or some of the ways
that has helped you besuccessful in music and then
have some staying power?
Because you've been producing,you know, in front, in the back,
being creative, putting outconsistent work over the years.
Yeah, what, what about it haskept you going?

Speaker 2 (06:29):
I think when I started recording, I was doing
recording as an artist and thenI was also doing some
engineering and producing forother artists when I was living
in Boston.
So I think just learning theins and outs of kind of how the
industry works in terms of thestudio and how you know studio
time works and then create,creating, how to you know what

(06:51):
connects with different people,what makes them tick, how do you
push them, you know, I thinkcontinuing to try to grow and
evolve the sound has beenimportant as well, and I think
traveling for me that's reallyhelped me, like just the
experiences that I have to thenput it into the music, the

(07:14):
energy that I'm receiving andgoing around I'm like I'm that
very much that kind of person,like sitting at the house is
cool or just like doing my ownthing is cool, but I really like
to meet new people, be aroundpeople and get in that kind of
that cooperative, collaborative,um, space and mindset.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
So I think it's a combination of different things
so what do you, what do you knowto be true about being an
artist now versus, let's's say,a decade ago?

Speaker 2 (07:47):
A decade ago was like when streaming was becoming
more popular, so it's definitelychanged a lot.
I think the main thingobviously is as an independent
artist, you can develop and youcan get revenue on your own,
versus needing a major label orhaving backing.
A lot of the stuff I'm doing isI'm funding everything.

(08:07):
So you know it comes with itsown challenges.
I know when the time is rightI'll align with the right people
or the right entity to helppush my shit to the next level.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
So how are you getting money in music now, or
how are the artists based onwhat you're doing now?
How could they learn from youto get money that way, Like
what's?

Speaker 2 (08:31):
working.
I'm not even going to lie toyou, bro.
I'm not making a lot of moneyon music right now.
I'm making some money off ofstreaming.
I'm making some money off ofshows, but it's not like I have
at this moment.
I shows, but it's not like Ihave a.
At this moment I have aspecific rate.
Boom, you got to book me forthis price.
You got to go through thischannel to book me, because I'm
booking shit on my own.
You know, I think if I hadsomeone that was speaking on

(08:52):
behalf of me and advocating forme, I would have a different
type of leverage, and I think,as I grow my audience, I'll, you
know, have more leverage todemand more Is your revenue
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(09:28):
Let's go.
So what would you say youraudience is right now?
Where is your audience?
And then, if you had to put anumber on it, what size would
you say your audience is?

Speaker 2 (09:39):
So I got a pretty solid base back home in
Massachusetts.
I got a solid base out in Texasand in Dallas because I've been
traveling a lot in Dallas.
I got a solid base out in Texasand in Dallas.
I've been traveling a lot inDallas I'm not in Dallas in
Texas this year and then I got afew people that listen to me
here in Toronto and Canada andthen a few people in Europe, but
the majority of the people herein the States I want to say at

(09:59):
least 60 to 80% is here in theUS.
Got you.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
You know what man?
I could do this too on here,like videos on nah, because,
like I did this video, like I'mgonna share some things with you
.
Because I kind of did, I did abreakdown in my opinion, how an

(10:24):
artist and I did in 2023, howartists in 2023 can get a
digital bag, which I feel, likemost artists they are, it's a
mix of leaving on a table with amix of don't know that it's
available.
Yeah, because I feel like andthis can kind of work for

(10:45):
creators, but I feel like thisis more tailored to artists,
musicians, people to actuallymake music.
Yeah, because it's kind of likepodcasting, where if you're a
new podcast store or if you wantto create a podcast,
subconsciously no one's told youthis, but you believe that you
can only make money throughYouTube sponsorships and brand

(11:07):
deals, mm-hmm, so that's whatthey look for.
So, with music and you cancorrect me if I'm wrong here I
feel like when artists come out,they feel it's merch, it's
touring, getting paid, and thenobviously getting with a label.
It doesn't have to be a biglabel, but somebody that can

(11:28):
back them so they can have somebread, right, is that?

Speaker 2 (11:30):
accurate.
Yeah, I agree with you For themost part.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yeah, All right.
So this is how I feel.
If you're an artist and youguys could I mean you're going
to tell me, you know what I'msaying, what you think yeah, but
this is how I feel like anartist can really get to a bag
2020, now.
2024, 2025 now, right.
So the first thing that I woulddo if I was an artist is I

(11:55):
would build a business around me.
Number one, right, so let's sayyou.
So whatever the name of yourbusiness is and your name, cause
your name is your brand.
I would make sure one that Ihave, let's say it's imperfect
action media, which is actuallynamed my business, but let's say

(12:16):
it was okay, imperfect actionrecords something, or imperfect
action entertainment, better yet, boom, I want to build a
business around that.
I want to get the ein llcbusiness account, uh, business
address, phone number, you knowlike, build that actual business
once I have an actual business.
Uh, if my credit, if my creditprofile score isn't popping as

(12:41):
of yet, get that in order.
I'm in the sevens, whatever, lowsevens, even 680, whatever my
profile's.
Good, now I can get access tocapital funding.
Right, I can go to Bank ofAmerica, truist Chase, pnc Key.
I can go to these banks.
Now I have 50, 100, 250 to playwith.
I can fund my entertainmentcompany, right.

(13:02):
So now I have some capital,right?
Right, because most of theseartists like, oh, I need, I need
a label, I need this, I needthis.
Why?
Because y'all need, I needmoney.
But now your company has themoney for you, right?
It's credit or loan, so you canalways use that.
That money's not going away,right, so that's my foundation.
Then what I would do is first,what?

(13:23):
What do you think about that?

Speaker 2 (13:25):
I think that's cool, all right, but yeah, I know
you're going to get to this, butthe next thing is you got to be
.
You got to get the revenue tothen offset the cost of what
you're spending.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
So now we talk about how, what are some ways we can
do that, right?
Right.
So I'm an artist, so I ammaking music, I am doing videos,
I am perfecting my craft, I ama better writer.
These are the things you haveto do anyway, right?
So now I'm like how can Imonetize my art when I'm

(13:58):
building up my fan base, whetherit be through streams,
downloads, whatever and I'm new,so no one knows about me yet
whether it be through streams,downloads, whatever and I'm new,
so no one knows about me yet.
So the next thing I would do is, as I'm putting out the music,
I would start building acommunity, a paid community and
a free one.
I would have to have a freecommunity so I can get name,
numbers, emails, I can build andcultivate, but then I would

(14:20):
have a paid community so thatpaid community could start
giving me, start supporting themusic.
Right?
So if you have I don't know,let's say you got a thousand, a
thousand people yeah.
Yeah, let's say you got athousand true fans and another.
Those thousand true fans.
You got a hundred of them thatare willing to invest in the

(14:42):
other nine hundred on your freegroup.
You got a hundred of them thatare willing to invest and the
other 900 are in your free group.
So now you got a thousandcontacts, but you got 10% of
them people that are paying you,I don't know.
Let's say it's $49 a month.
So that's what five grand amonth.
So now your music is generating60K.
And now what are you going todo with this?
Well, I have a community that'ssupporting me, these people

(15:06):
that are paying me.
If I pull up to these cities,they're going to show up because
I'm investing my free people.
I can activate them wheneverbecause it's like you're going
to be in the city.
Pull up.
And now, in this paid community, I can pre-release music.
I can give them exclusives, Ican test songs before they drop.
I can do virtual shows, which Ifeel like is very underrated.
If I was an artist, I would doa virtual show every month.

(15:28):
You know what I'm saying.
Do a virtual show.
That's something I haven'tthought about.
Really, do behind the scenes inthe studio.
What up y'all?
What's going on?

Speaker 2 (15:36):
I go live a lot though, like when I'm in the
studio and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
But you're go live on the gram, but then I will also
record some stuff and then dumpthat for my paid people like yo.
This is we had this fireconversation where brendan
pulled up.
We was talking boom, boom, boom, boom.
Y'all can get that in here,right, right.
So now you got a paid communityboom.
What else would I would do?
Digital assets, you know so.
So maybe Products, digitalproducts.
So maybe you're releasing youknow name a song you dropped,

(16:10):
maybe the one you recently.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
I dropped.
Is this Love last month?
I'm dropping Break Sweattomorrow, boom.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Is this Love?
So, is this Love on a digitalproduct?
You can make an e-book.
Uh, you can make an ebook offof the lyrics.
You know what I'm saying.
If let's say you was talkingabout I don't know cause I
haven't heard the song, butlet's say the cadence of the
song is about a woman orsomething about a relationship

(16:38):
you're going through.
You can drop an audio with thatand our audio is you and a girl
basically having a conversation, or maybe you're painting the
story of what was theinspiration behind that.
So now you got now you got thedigital um lyrics, you got a
little audio of like your realemotions that they can get

(16:58):
tapped in with, and then you canadd you can throw in a little
video, a little three minutevideo.
What up, guys, listen, I'm gladyou tapped into this.
This is where I was at the time.
This is where I'm at now.
I just want to encourage youguys to do whatever you need and
put your raw emotion intowhatever you got going.
This is my raw emotions in thisand they can buy that digital
product.
It's like a little mini bundlefor that song, right, right.

(17:19):
So if I want to experience thatsong, I can stream it, I can
download it, I can watch thevideo.
If there's a video, if I wantmore access to it, I can
purchase that bundle, and thenyou can throw merch in there too
, which you can pre-sell.
So once they pay, you can thenuse that for a drop shit

(17:41):
situation.
Or, with the community, I cansay hey, listen, if you bought
this bundle or if you're in thecommunity, we're doing a live
performance of this song Fridayduring the release.
You know what I mean, becauseyou constantly want to feed
these people.
And then what's great about youwhich a lot of artists don't do
, but I feel like a little moreof them that are smart and being

(18:04):
a little bit more vocal they'reinvesting.
So you're also in the realestate space, right, you, you
invest, you look for differentopportunities to monetize.
Yeah, you can add in some ofthose cues to educate your
community.
Because what's what?
What?
What's the knock on hip-hopright now?
It's kind of negative, you know, not saying your music is, but
right.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
we look at some of the larger artists we're talking
about in general.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yeah, in general the labels push is definitely
negative, negative.
That's what I'm saying.
So if you're like yo, listen,I'm going to give y'all value
and I'm going to teach y'all.
You know what I'm saying.
I don't have to teach y'all in.
But then, because you're mycommunity, I'm teaching you how

(18:49):
I started my, my entertainmentcompany.
I'm teaching you how to getyour credit together.
I'm teaching you how you caninvest in your first real estate
property with no money down.
I'll teach you how you can buyyour first retail real estate.
You know, uh property.
I'm teaching you how to getinto.
You know this business, thatbusiness, maybe teaching you how
to get into you know thisbusiness and that business,
maybe government contracting ormaybe drop shipping.

(19:09):
Like your community, not onlycan have music, but you can
inspire people and really helppeople in a different way.
That's really interesting, alldigitally.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Right, and we only test on two things.
But the reason why I'm sayingthis is because if you can
control your fan base and youraudience from your phone through
text messages and emails andyou understand, this is the fire
part, bro let's say you do it.
Let's say boom, you basicallyhad a pop-up show here, right.

(19:40):
But let's say hey, community,I'm coming to Miami, come to my
show, come to the meet and greet, come to my session on how you
can do your real estatesituation.
That's three different joints.

(20:00):
You could do something Friday,saturday, sunday, the whole
weekend.
It's like I'm going to give youmusic, I'm going to give you
some education, I'm going togive you a meet and greet Show,
content photos, whatever.
I'm going to sign all the joint.
I'm going to give you a meetand greet.
So content photos, whatever.
I'm going to sign all the joint.
I'm going to sell merch.
It's a whole vibe.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
That's cool.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
It's a whole vibe.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, that's really cool.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
I feel like that's how artists now and that's
obviously just a little piece,but I feel like that's how
artists now can really go to thenext level, because think about
this, bro, a lot can really goto the next level.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Because think about this, bro, yeah, a lot of this
stuff.
I don't mean to cut you off.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
No, it's good, I'll just be going.
Yeah, a lot of these thingsthat you mentioned.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
I didn't think about a lot of them.
You know what I mean, but Ihave been considering how to
give certain people more accessor create some exclusivity in
giving more.
You know, what I'm saying.
Yeah, To be creative about that, but a lot of those things you
mentioned, those are reallyreally different Bro people are

(21:02):
starving for more.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
The problem is we're so used to regular and mediocre,
which is not a negative.
It's just what we're used to.
We're used to an artistdropping a song, maybe got a
TikTok with it.
It's going to go viral, notgoing to go viral, that's it
we're used to.
Okay, album rollout tour, Ithink one of the smartest and

(21:32):
okay, these are, these are mytop artists right now and I'll
tell you why.
Yeah, La Russell, rough ToryLynch those are my top artists
as an entrepreneur, Because Russreally understands the music
business and I'm going tointerview you Come in soon, Russ

(21:55):
.
What up, you know what it is.
So Russ studied the game.
Yeah, Right.
So what Russ did was he waslike oh, I need this piece, I
need this piece and I need thispiece.
Okay, let me get this piece,let me get this piece and let me
get this piece Right piece, letme get this piece and let me

(22:15):
get this piece Right.
And now he got the world in hishands, Exactly what LaRussell
did.
Larussell did the Nipsey Hussle.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Pay to pay.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
You know what I'm saying.
Whatever you guys want to do,I'm going to build my audience
and then you support me how youwant to support me.
So if it's 50 people pulling upand y'all all paying 50 bucks
or 40 bucks or 30 bucks whateverpull up, we're going to vibe
out.
I'm going to give He'd beenable to build like that, right.
But then Tory Lanez has beenable to take some of the things
that I've shared, but then also,which I'm surprised, not more

(22:44):
artists did this bro.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
The crypto vibe, yeah , the digital shit.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah, the NFT situation, because you got to
think about it.
Let's say so.
The project you're dropping isit just one song or is it in a
project?
It's a song, all right.
What's the name of it?
Again, break Sweat, break Sweat.
What's it about?

Speaker 2 (23:05):
It's about dancing, partying, having a good time.
All right, boom Feeling sexy.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
So let's say you drop some art for Break Sweat.
Limited art Right, limited artBreak Sweat Like a physical
piece or digital.
Digital.
It could be digital andphysical, depends on, I might
want the physical to hang in mycrib, yeah, yeah, but I might
want the digital, because youknow what I'm saying.
It could be different pricepoints, but let's say this Break

(23:42):
sweat.
I get access to the song, I getaccess to the art and maybe you
collaborate with somebody, Iget access to a collaborative
workout.
What type of workout do you like?
Like a run?
No, do you like running?
Do you like yoga?
What's your thing?
You like being in the gym.
You like calisthenics.
You like a beach workout.
I like all of that.
Okay, boom.
So let's say we take.
Let's say we take, let's say wedo a calisthenic, break sweat,
calisthenics, boom.

(24:03):
But then we also got a breaksweat dance.
Yeah, got the dance.
It could be a video how to dothe break sweat dance, the vibe,
right, tutorial, right.
We got the workout because Iwant to break sweat and get
right.
I got the art digital, I gotthe physical art and I got the
song yeah and I got the merchand I get some words from you.

(24:27):
Hey, what's going on?
Y'all listen.
You know the vibe.
It's the summertime.
We all gotta break sweat.
You know what I'm saying.
It could be if you're feelingdown, listen, breaking sweat.
Know the vibe.
It's the summertime.
We all got to break sweat.
You know what I'm saying.
It could be.
If you're feeling down, listen,breaking sweat is the only
thing that's going to help youfeel better.
You know, listen, if you'refeeling down, you're feeling mad
, you're aggravated, you breaksome sweat.
You go into the gym, you doyour favorite workout or you do
something challenging youautomatically going to feel

(24:47):
better.
That's what a party vibe andjust feeling good about yourself
.
We all bringing sweat together.
Enjoy the bundle.
Enjoy the music.
I'll put a dance routinetogether.
I'll collaborate with myhomegirl, xyz.
I did a workout.
I'll collaborate with my boy,abc.
You got the art.
Enjoy that.
It's a vibe.
Yo, let's break sweat.
This is the shit I need, right?

(25:08):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (25:08):
I'm saying Brandon, now.
Brandon, why don't we be on thephone every other day yo?

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Now, not only did you break sweat for real, it's a
campaign Facts.
But now people can tap in onlike you can tap in based on
where you at.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
There's so many different ways to connect with
people through the title andjust different activations.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
And then what you do is you can then take the next
step.
Find an app, a company, a gym,find different assets that
actually have that.
Go and do a collab with them.
Hey, listen, I got a songcalled Break Sweat.
You guys know this is a PsychoLab.
We're going to do a Break Sweatevent at the cycle lab.

(25:55):
I'm going to bring my team, I'mgoing to bring my people, give
me the space for free.
We're going to do 50-50 revshare.
You guys promote it and thenyou film that whole thing and
then dope it in your communityfor everyone that wasn't there.
It's an exclusive, that's so.
That's how I feel like artistsneed to move.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah, I definitely need to be doing stuff like that
.
That's how I feel like Idefinitely need to be doing all
of that.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, Because it's also aboutseparating yourself, Like you
said you don't want to do.
We're used to the same shityeah, by default.
By default.
Yeah, and we also.
We don't know what we don'tknow, and we also, we don't know

(26:32):
what we don't know.
Yeah, and we also don't knowwhat people might like.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
So you got to try different things and that's why
I said you give them a littletaste of everything.
Yeah, it's kind of like aplatter, right.
Then you know okay, cool, afterBreak Sweat I got you know New
friend Boom.
And okay, the dance wasn'treally rocking, okay, cool.
And on the new friends, I'mgoing to teach you how to make
new friends when you're in thenetworking situation, that's
crazy.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
You know what I'm saying.
That's so crazy.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
I know a huge percentage of my fan base are
just.
If you just found me, y'all gotanxiety.
You want to say hello, butyou're thinking about what they
think you look like if you wasto say hello.
So I'm going to break it down.
Boom, and you just really, justin a vibe From the game.
Exactly, bro.
You're from the game.

(27:18):
It's easy, that's what I'msaying.
Yeah Right, that's fire.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
That's how I feel like Artists, need to move in
this era.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
It should really be Right.
You know what I mean.
And it's like Some people mightbe like oh bro, forty nine
dollars a month, who want that?
Because I hear it all the time?
But I'm like, bro.
First of all, people arealready used to subscriptions.
Everything is basically asubscription right now,
everything is a subscription.
So if you give somebodysomething of value and I know
that I could tap in with you forbasically $600 for the year and

(27:46):
I could get exclusive, andyou're really about your
artistry, which means you'regoing to have releases Right,
and you're really about yourartistry, which means you're
going to have releases Right.
Just imagine if an artist likeDrake decided you know, I'm
going to drop subscription, youknow, over your community.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Bro, he'd be making probably like $5, $10 million a
month.
I was going to say millions ofdollars a month.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Easy, you know what I'm saying, and it's like over
your community, y'all going toget the music first, or y'all
can hear first before a drop, ory'all can get exclusives this,
exclusives that, exclusives thisbefore a drop, secret meetups
Right, secret owl pendants.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, like really they do shitlike that.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Like really gamify it .
I think they do parties andplaying their new shit like with
a thousand girls at the crib inLA.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Yeah, no for sure, but it's definitely awesome.
It ain't, it ain't.
That's different.
It's not structured.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Right, and this what we're talking about is for the
fans and for the star of anaudience that wants to engage
with you on the regular, thatwants access to you, that will
never get access to you or mightnever even see you live.

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Let's get it.
So now think about it.
When you started as an artist,maybe it's different now.
When you started as an artist,maybe it's different now, but
when you started as an artist,how much money would you feel

(29:38):
like if the music made youmonthly?
In the beginning, you would belike, oh, this is straight.
What number would you thinkthat would be?

Speaker 2 (29:45):
The amount of money that I would be making on a
month that I'd be comfortablewith.
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
So let's say you're starting.
Just let's say I'm starting.
Yeah, let's say you're starting, so we either start right now
or you're thinking about whereyou were when you started.
How much money I think permonth.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
I think at first you got to you're saying what I
would want versus what I'mwilling to accept.
Yeah, yeah, what you would want, I would want at least like 500
to a stack, like starting acouple hundred, okay, cool, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
So, as an artist beginning, if you can figure out
how to make $1,000 a month,which is basically $12,000 in a
year, you feel good about whereyou're going in your music.
Yeah, because you can justscale it, okay, boom.
And most artists are in thenegative Right, right, and they
stay in the negative Right andthey stay in the negative Right.

(30:33):
So if we use digital productscommunity, let's say, some VIP
offers, some affiliates we useda combination of some of these
things and we were able togenerate a thousand bucks a
month and still release music,and that thousand plus minus was

(30:57):
able to support paying for thestudio production.
You know what I mean?
Your engineer, all the thingsyou would need.
It's a lot of money.
You'd be comfortable.
It's almost like you're reallycreating the art for free.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah, exactly Because you're offsetting the cost of
what you have to output.
Yeah, yeah, that's the trick.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
So then when you look at, okay, if I use assets
similar to these, I can reallylike it's not so far off, I
guess, Right.
It's more tangible, it's morerealistic, right, right yeah,
you're like oh, it's like, makethis move, make this move.
I get 10 of these.
It's this is the number.
It's not like, if I get 10 ofthese and it's no, did you 10 of

(31:38):
these?
This is the number, right, youknow what I mean?

Speaker 2 (31:40):
um, and then you don't have to be like if you
have 50.
You have a service subscriptionservice with 50 a month.
All you need is 10 people andyou make it 500 exactly 10, 10
fans, bro, it seems simple.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Yeah, 10 fans 10 fans that rock with you.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Yeah, not a thousand downloads, not 25 000 streams,
right you know, because thestreams too, you only taking a
small percentage on that, yeah,so I yeah, I don't really make a
lot of money on streaming,that's what I'm saying, because.
I'm not getting like thousandsand millions of streams on the
reg.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
And you still do your YouTube, you still do your
streams Right, but you're justin more control and if we go
back to that foundation, you cannow dump money into marketing.
You can dump money into travel.
You can invest that back intogetting your offers up to more
exposure, because it's reallyjust about the marketing
exposure piece.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, it's about how youpackage and sell the product.
Yeah, that's the big thing.
I'm not as good at that.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Yeah, I'm not so one of the things I really admired
about you, bro.
I remember when we were back athome yeah, back in Boston, this
is good for people to hear Iremember you was like yo, I just
acquired a family's crib.
You're thinking about sellingit, thinking about moving,

(33:00):
acquiring other pieces ofproperty.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, Iremember that that was before I
bought my first house.
That's what I'm saying.
So break that down.
What got you into real estate?
Why was that always attractiveand viable and why is that
something people should consider, especially if they're artists?

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Yeah, I think for first things first, as a young
person, especially like in yourlate teens or even into your
early 20s, you want to bethinking about your future, or
thinking about what kind of lifeyou want to have and what that
looks like, and then how are yougoing to get it?
So I would say I started tolearn about some of these

(33:39):
opportunities and thinking aboutownership and asset acquisition
when I was in high school,partially because of some of the
mentors that I had, so I wasexposed to some of that
information and the importanceof it.
Also, my mother would talkabout it to me as well.
You know the importance ofbeing financially independent,
the opportunities you might haveowning property, and then you

(34:01):
know figuring things out.
So that was my intro to it as akid.
My mother passed away in likebeginning of 2019.
We just had the five yearanniversary just passed.
It's hard to hear that, bro,mine did too.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know I know.
Yeah, you lost your mother aswell, your granny too, so, but

(34:23):
yeah, memorial Day weekend iswhen she passed away.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
So this past weekend, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
This time of year is always a little touchy, because
you got Mother's Day, true, andthat actually was the last day I
saw my mother.
I saw my mother on Mother's Dayand then, unfortunately, a week
later she passed and she wasn'taround, so I didn't see her
that week.
Anyways, my mom passed away.
She had put a little chunk ofchange aside for me and for my

(34:53):
sister and that was basicallywhat I used to get started.
At the time I was 23, 24,living in my granny's basement.
My plan moving into mygrandmother's basement out of my
mother's house I was teachingtennis at the time, I remember.
Yeah, so my plan was I'm goingto live here two years, I'm

(35:14):
going to be saving X on amonthly on the regular and when
two years come, I'm going to gobuy something and I'm going to
move out of your basement.
So that was the plan all along.
What my mother left for me waskind of like an advance.
It was something that I couldget started earlier and a little

(35:36):
bit easier because it was rightbefore.
It was almost the two-year mark, it's about six months early.
So I started trying to do someresearch on the market around.
What are the good places to buywhat price points I thought
were viable.
I thought about somethingbetween 10 and $20,000.
Down would be a good startingpoint for me, because that's not

(35:59):
an exuberant amount of money.
You could save that in a coupleyears, and it's so crazy.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
I don't want to sidetrack but I want to.
We'll talk about money in asecond, but yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
All right.
So I used that to, you know,purchase my first property.
I bought it down in Brockton,because Brockton is a poppin'
area for about $265,000.
The house was $265,000.
I think $265,000.
I think it was $265, 265.

(36:30):
It's about five percent.
I put down, it's about 13 000.
And then I moved into the house.
I lived there for about eightmonths and then I decided to
move to dallas because I hadanother coaching opportunity,
but at the in the meantime I wasstill doing music.
Yeah, I just wasn't maybededicating the time and the
attention that I might havewanted because of the energy and

(36:52):
the time that tennis required.
So I thought moving to adifferent market and being in a
different place, you know, wouldhelp me grow as an artist as
well as a, you know, a young mantrying to establish myself.
So I decided to move to dallas.
When I moved to dallas my popsactually helped me get the crib
ready to rent out, because mydad's a trained carpenter, um,

(37:13):
so we did a bunch of stuff atthe house.
He had a couple of friends,electrician come by, some of my
uh, my family members on mymother's side as well, our blue
collar, you know, they work inthe union construction.
So I had a lot of help doingmaintenance, doing fix ups.
You know, obviously I was handson with it, but that help was I

(37:35):
wouldn't have been able to doit without it.
So I moved to Dallas.
I started getting, you know,the bread monthly from my tenant
.
I had him sign an 18 monthlease.
Right as we were getting aroundthe 18 month mark and we're
like kind of in the thick of thepandemic, everything just
started going crazy in realestate, like in just every like,

(37:56):
just so much movement happeningin 2020 into 2021.
So I said I'm gonna, you know,I'm gonna sell this and I'm
gonna move on.
So I sold it right around thetime the lease was up.
I made about $60,000.
And then that summer I startedinvesting in Dallas.
So that's kind of how I startedoff.

(38:16):
I started with one place inDallas, then I purchased a
second home in Dallas or aroundDallas and then I bought my
primary, my primary and I'll tryto look for places that I know
are going to be rising and riserelatively quickly.

(38:37):
You don't know for sure what'sgoing to happen, but you can
make an educated guess based onthe trends, based on the
neighborhood, based on what theyoffer in that area, based on
what is changing in that area.
Based on what is changing inthat area, how close is it to
the city?
Is this a family?
Is this more like a suburbanfamily area?
Is this one of the most soughtafter zip codes in this city or

(38:58):
this area specifically?
So when I'm working with people, I try to consider all of those
things to make the best movegoing forward.

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apply to work with me and amember of my team.
Why do you feel like?
Well, first of all, I gottagive you props on that, bro you
know what I'm saying bro?
um, ownership, but why do youfeel like more artists should
invest or have ownership?
Why should they have cashflowing assets or just tangible

(39:50):
assets?
Because I think that's reallylike.
You just painted an amazingpicture with the journey to you,
you know, acquiring the firstproperty and, yes, you did get a
hand, because your mom wasthinking about you and your
sister but why is that importantto have these cash flow and

(40:10):
assets or just assets in general?

Speaker 2 (40:12):
I think it's important because you just have
number one, you have another bag, but you just have another way
to sustain yourself.
You can sustain yourself andchoose the lifestyle that you
want to have, because you're notnecessarily tied to working for
somebody, up under somebody,all the time.
Like, yeah, a lot of people gotbosses I'm not saying there's

(40:32):
something wrong with that, butif you want to have, you know,
if you want a lifestyle and youwant to have more freedom with
your time, you got to figure outhow you're going to do that,
besides working at xyz, yeah,you know, and depending on pay
stub every two weeks or whateverthe case may be, which I think
is crazy.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
That's why I'm talking about money bro.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
I think it's crazy bro but.
I think it's important, likethat part, and then thinking
ahead of the future, like I saidbefore, what is my life going
to look like in five years, 10years, 15 years?
Do I want to have a family?
What do I want for my siblingsbecause I got like four siblings
too.
So what I want for my, for mysiblings, what I want for their

(41:15):
kids, if they choose to havekids, like, how can I, how can I
get the most out of me beinghere on earth and give the most?
When it's time for me to begone or while I'm here, what can
I do?
So I think those two things arereally important.
And then there's a third thing Iwanted to mention, one of the

(41:38):
things that a lot of peopledon't know or consider.
I mentioned it to my buddy theother day because him and his
girlfriend I've known her for along time.
We've become friends.
Over the past year, him and Ishe's from Philly moved to
Dallas and they're looking tobuy their first place together.
And one of the things Imentioned to him was you know,
when you get a house or you getany property, condo, whatever

(41:58):
the hell you also get access todisability insurance and
protection within you know forthe assets.
Say, something happens to youand you're unable to work or
unable to be physically able togenerate revenue, there's a set

(42:20):
amount of money for you toreceive, on a monthly either on
a payout that's going to allowyou to pay your mortgage and
cover your overhead goingforward.
Rob Markman, if you have thatinsurance, rob Markman, if
something happens for you?
Yes, if you have this insuranceand it only costs like $30 to
$70 a month depending on howmuch you want.

(42:40):
Rob.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Markman.
So let's go, let's hold that.
Let's go back to what we talkedabout earlier.
So imagine you shared that gamewith your fans and they got
access to the music yeah you'relike yo, listen my fans, I want
y'all to enjoy this music, but Ialso want to help y'all get
your first property.
This is how I did it and theseare steps, how you can get yours
.
Yeah, hey, fans, listen, boom,a lot of things y'all don't know

(43:03):
.
Listen if accidents may happen.
So there's this thing calleddisability that you can get for
this amount, this amount, thisamount.
Listen, a lot of y'all arevaping.
It's all good, you're vaping.
How much is your vape expenseevery month?
Oh, 100?
, 200?
You can get this for 30, 35.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Or your weed, exactly Whatever you'd like to get into
.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
So it's like now you can empower and entertain your
people in your joint.
You know what I'm saying.
That's why and like youmentioned tennis Bang, you know
what I mean.
Right now, it's the way rightnow, people want to be out
playing, especially in Miami,Miami-.
Tennis and golf Miami.
You know what they got rightnow they got-.
The pickleball joint, the pingpong space, outdoor tennis, they

(43:51):
got this thing called, or theygot racquetball, but they also
got the thing called paddleball,which is all different
variations of tennis essentially.
But I just had a sidebarbecause that's like, those are
the things that are like you,you know what I mean Like you
could give all that stuff inthere.
But yeah, the disability soundcrazy, bro, you're talking about
$30, $40.
And then something happened tome Like I got worried about like

(44:13):
not paying my mortgage.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Yeah.
So, bro, I got like I'm proudof what I've done because, yeah,
I've fucked off some bread andyou're supposed to fuck, I'm
gonna do, I got it.
You pause the fuck it off, bro,I popped off.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
I popped off a buck 50 easily quick right bro.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
No, I saw, you've told me about this a couple
times and I saw you post aboutit recently, so I'm very aware,
because that's also fresh, yeah,but I feel very proud that I
have taken what I've been givenand blessed with and I have
created more.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Yeah, like a lot more Yo.
And the thing is, bro, when youhave self-awareness and you're
able to remove your thoughtprocess whether it's temporarily
, to see what's really going on,you understand that fucking off

(45:10):
money don't matter, because youcan make it back.
You know what I'm saying.
And if money is so accessible,it's really like breathing.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
You know what I'm saying?
A lot of it is your mindset.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
It's really that's what it is, bro.
It's really that's what it is,because when you think about
being scarce or having ascarcity mindset and a lot of us
, even when we're younger, wedon't know.
We got scarcity.
We've been trained and and, andyou know, made programmed to
think a certain way.
Yeah, no one's ever been likeyo.

(45:43):
There's not enough air in herefor all of us.
You know, I'm saying get yourear, bro, I need some air, right
?
No one's ever said that.
But money is the same way, bro.
They print it and burn it everyday, right, right.
So if money is, if, if the ideaof money is in abundance, like

(46:04):
air, the problem is, we've beentrained to get money a certain
way, to make it come slow, rightand to make us believe that you
have to do hard things to getit right.
We've been spending timetogether today.
I ain't seen you struggle tobreathe once.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
You should have seen me yesterday morning when I was
running down the beach.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
I mean that's a little different.
That's a little different, butyou understand what I'm saying.
Of course, yeah, it's like bro.
And then what you said earlier,because there's two points I
want to make.
So the next one is you saidearlier like 10K 20K was a
comfortable amount for you toearlier.
Like 10K 20K was a comfortableamount for you to start and get

(46:51):
started.
If you really think about it,bro, 10k 20K is like no money.
But think about who you werewhen you had access to the 10K.
I'm thinking about who I waswhen I was in Boston.
I'm like six figures is a lotof bread.
You know what I'm saying.
Yeah, when I was grinding onthe tennis, shit, like.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Obviously it's a lot on taxes and mass, but you know,
60,000, 70,000 was a good yearfor me.
You thinking that's?

Speaker 1 (47:20):
a good year you thinking that that's a good year
in my young 20s like that'sgreat.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
I don't got a college degree.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
I'm just out here grinding.
You thinking that's a good year?
And yo I'm not Like $5,000,$6,000 a month Like woo yeah and
I'm not trying to say that forthose that are making $60,000
plus minus, or you getting$100,000 stacks.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
No, we're not shitting about that.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
There's nothing wrong with that.
No, talking about the thoughtprocess of oh, I'm getting this,
my salary is X and I'm coolwith that, but I'm getting paid
once or twice a month.
I'm getting taxed on it, so I'mreally getting half or 60% of
it.
It's no money, yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
If you're in a two income household now, you
winning because you can almostdouble everything that you got
going on, given that y'all makeclose to the same amount which
is also a very powerful thingtoo.
It's a very powerful thing.
I think people don't considerthat.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
I think that's all.
That's why I want a girl, bro.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Yeah you know what I'm saying?
A good one, a good one, no, agreat one.
You know what I'm saying?
No, for real.
Because when y'all can alignand y'all have the same mindset
with a lot of shit, y'all canreally just jump, y'all can just
grow exponentially, yeah.
And then when y'all come downto have a family and take care

(48:39):
of kids, y'all not killingyourselves trying to provide for
your family.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
It's really about just experiencing life, family.
It's really about justexperiencing life when you
really can get the the theillusion of frustration
financially out of the way,because it's really an illusion.
If you solve that formula, yeah, you fine.
Yeah, because what are peoplereally stressing about, bro,
money sex rock and roll, butthey really but.

(49:08):
But it ain't really a problemwhen you're self-awareness, bro,
yeah, because who told you thatwe only supposed to get money
twice a month, but we spendingmoney every day?
Demand how can I spend moneyevery day on everything, yo,
unless you stay?

Speaker 2 (49:24):
home.
I spent so much bread just thepast two days in Miami.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
That's what I'm saying, oh my god bro.
Right, but you had to Plusminus.
You had to right.
But who said we can't get thatevery single day?
Right?

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Yeah, that's the goal .
I mean, that's the goal for me.
I'm trying to see them.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
Bags, nah, them bags is bag-a-thon, bag-a-thon.
You know what?
I'm saying Bag-a-thon,bag-a-thon.
You know what I'm saying?
The bag-a-thon continues 26miles.
Nah, 100%, man, 100%.
What's going on, y'all?

Speaker 2 (49:58):
It's Mazing out here in Miami living la vida loca.
Go check me out on InstagramM-A-Z-I-N-G.
Go follow me, share my music.
Click the link in my bio Now,y'all.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
So let's talk about the music, man.
Okay, so talk about the songInspiration.
Is there any special reason whyit's dropping on tomorrow, that
it's dropping the date, thatit's?

Speaker 2 (50:21):
dropping on.
There's nothing serious aboutwhen I'm choosing to drop it.
I mean, the record definitelyhas a feel for summer and spring
.
That's not necessarily why,like, I would still drop it if
it was the fall.
Yeah, and it's ready now.
You know it wasn't ready in thefall or the spring, so it just

(50:42):
happens to align right now andI'm trying to line up drops on a
consistent basis, a monthlybasis.
Yeah, I think that's smart.
So the inspiration behind thesong is just high level vibes,
like just high energy.
I mean my family, my dad's side, italian and Irish, but my
mother's from St Vincent and theGrenadines.
So I have a very heavyinfluence from the Caribbean.

(51:05):
I love the culture.
I love the Caribbean cultureand not just our culture from
the island that we're from, butall the other islands too that
I've been to and just the peoplethat I've come in contact with
Growing up in Boston.
It's very multicultural, soyou're meeting people from all
over and people from islands youdidn't even know existed for

(51:26):
real.
That's sometimes when I tellpeople we're from St Vincent and
the Grenadines, they're likewhat, where's that?
They don't even know it exists.
So definitely that I mean oneday I was so I've recorded the
record at the crib One day Ithink I was flying somewhere
that day or the next day and Ijust sat down at the computer.

(51:47):
I like to sit down at the mic alot in the morning, and
sometimes I like to do thatbefore I eat as well, because it
gives me almost a differenttone in my voice.
It's almost like you can hearthe hunger in my voice, because
I ain't eat yet.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Yeah, that's what I was going to say, because you
ain't eat yet.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
You ain't eat yet for real For.
But I attack it with adifferent type of energy.
You know that fresh, wake upenergy.
So I'll sit down in front ofcomputer.
I just start riffing.
I got to be I start riffing andI just made the record.
And you know, obviously itevolved over time.
My boy moved to miami lastseptember my main engineer and
producer, robbie Rowland, shoutout to you and when I came out

(52:34):
here in February to work on abunch of records, that was one
of the main joints we did and werecorded a bunch of vocals.
I love this song, man.
Everybody that's heard it lovesit, is getting great feedback,
so I'm really excited about therelease tomorrow.
Yeah, that's going to be good.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
We'll put a link below so they can tap into it.
You got visuals.
I got some visuals, okay, where, and I'm going to be doing more
, okay, yeah, we'll drop thatbelow too, so they can access
the visuals.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
For sure, for sure.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
And then how can people tap in with you?

Speaker 2 (53:05):
You can find me on Instagram.
Just type in Mazing.
That's M-A-Z-I-N-G.
My handle is TheyCallMeMarkythough, but if you type Mazing,
I'm definitely going to come up.
It's the same on all streamingplatforms as well M-A-Z-I-N-G.
Anywhere you want to find me.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
And then if you had to leave people with like one
thing based on your experiencesum, personal, professional that
if they, if they tap in rightnow, in this moment, this thing
could really turn a light bulbon for someone.
Based off of your experience,yeah, what would that be?

Speaker 2 (53:40):
I would say leave no stone unturned.
Try to exhaust everyopportunity that you have, given
that you.
You know something that youwant.
Obviously, if somethingpresents itself and you don't
want that, don't go for that.
Yeah, facts.
But if it's something that youfeel aligns with what you're
trying to do or where you'retrying to go, do it, take it,
because you don't know whereit's going to take you from

(54:02):
there.
You don't know the experiencethat you're going to gain from
there.
Communicate If you got somethingon your mind, you're thinking
about it, share it.
Talk to your friends, talk to afamily member, whoever you know
.
I think a lot of times we'rejust living in our head and,
yeah, we're living in this.
Um, obviously, people dealtwith anxiety 100 years ago, but

(54:22):
it's a different level ofanxiety now, with technology,
with you know some of thestresses of life.
So I think you should get outyour head and you should talk to
people and you should sharewhat you're thinking and what
you're feeling in a constructiveway, you know, not a toxic and
destructive way, yeah, but youknow, if something's bothering,
you talk about it.
Or if you have a creativeoutlet, put it in there, you

(54:45):
know.
I think that's super important.
Communication is superimportant.
It's the reason a lot ofrelationships are great.
It makes relationships greatand it makes relationships
destroy or, you know, fall apartbecause of how you communicate
or lack of communication.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Yeah, lack of communication, I think over
communicating is way better it'sa good thing.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Yeah, it's a good thing, because people don't got
to wonder all the time like whatyou thinking or what's going on
.
Yeah, facts, they know.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Because you're telling them and I think Unless
you're lying and that reminds meof what we touched on earlier,
which I feel like it can bedicey or you could be so in
self-love within yourself thatit's almost protection that you
gotta let motherfuckers know.
Yeah, you know I'm saying so.

(55:33):
So it's like I love myselfenough where I do care about
your feelings, but I got I Ihave to let you know how I feel,
I care about my feelings more,and then you're just gonna take
out.
You can take either gonnarespect me or or it's gonna
create a dent in ourrelationship.
It is what it is and thatthat's really important.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Yeah, I think that's so important.
Loving somebody else selflesslyis great, but sometimes you
gotta love selfishly because,just like you said, you gotta
protect your boundaries.
There are things within youthat you should not be
negotiating on facts, andthere's certain topics that you
gotta address, because if youdon't address it, if you don't

(56:10):
set a boundary, regardless ofhow that person is going to take
it, what's going to happen in,in a year, when you're dealing
with the same shit?
that's bothering somebody elsesomebody else, or you with the
same person?
Yeah, and they don't even knowthat this is an issue.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
And now you're holding on to a whole rock and
you're mad at them, you'rebitter at them, whatever the
case may be.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
And you've conditioned them to treat you a
certain way or talk to you acertain way or just be a way
with you and around you, thatnow you can't, you might not be
able to change that.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Bro, that's profound, bro.
Nah, nah, that's facts, that,yeah, y'all got to tap into him
for sure, for sure, for sure.
All right, bro.
So what I'm going to beexpecting for you is some type
of community or digital productthat people can tap in.
I would love to attend yourfirst virtual show Hell yeah and

(57:02):
then pay to attend.
Maybe there's a free version buta paid version.
I can get behind the scenesonline or something and then
come check me out next time Icome perform in Miami.
I mean, bro, I'm here, whywould I not?

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Just throwing it out there let's do a meet and greet.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Let's do a meet and greet.
You know what I'm saying?
There you go, just do a meetand greet.
That would.
Yeah, bro, I appreciate you.
Thank you, bro.
Remind them again where tofollow you, to tap in with you.
I want them to know right nowwhere to go online or whatever.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Go on Instagram, spotify, apple Music, find me Ma
Zing.
That's M-A-Z-I-N-G.
Same thing on TikTok.
You can find all my stuff theremy music, my shows, anything I
got going on, I put it there soyou can touch base with me there
.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Listen, but another episode of the Honor Pursuit
Podcast.
This is Ma Zing entrepreneur,thought leader, creative artist,
real estate investor.
Make sure you guys get realfamiliar and tap into his music,
bro.
He's dropping songs everysingle month, new projects.
Stay tapped in and if you're anartist or creative or someone
like that, use him as aninspiration.
Don't give up and maybe takesome of the strategies I said

(58:10):
earlier.
At least you know what I'msaying.
At least brand your name andstart an entertainment business
around yourself, because you canstart to generate some revenue
and then have some capital toinvest into your art.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Yeah, this game is free, right here.
Yeah, it is, so you shoulddefinitely take advantage of it,
because I'm going to yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
I'll leave a link below if y'all want to tap into
my community.
For sure, yeah, we go crazylike this all the time.
But listen y'all, it's beenanother episode.
It's been great Tapping with myguy and we got to see you in a
minute.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Peace.