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Hagan shares his journey and expertise on adopting a 1% mindset, focusing on how high-achieving entrepreneurs can integrate their professional ambitions with a disciplined approach to health and fitness. We explore the deeper motivations behind fitness goals, the significance of long-term consistency over extreme fitness challenges, and the cultural tendency to overcomplicate fitness.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
When I talk about 1%, I want to be that one person
(00:02):
that walks into a room and I'mbuilt like a savage, I'm a
physical unit, right, and that'swhat we do.
We teach people that 1% mindsetand we want to make sure like,
okay, yeah, you're supersuccessful in your business,
you're a successful entrepreneurand you're making money, but
none of that matters if that'sat the expense of your health.
The conversations I have withmy clients a lot of times is
just asking them like, hey, whyare you doing this?
(00:25):
What's the real reason thatyou're doing this fitness thing?
And they'll say, oh yeah, Ijust want to lose 30, 40, 50
pounds.
But it's not just about theweight loss, like it's beyond
the weight loss.
In the entrepreneurial culture,it's very interesting the way
that they approach fitness.
They make fitness way harderthan it actually needs to be.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Welcome to the Art of Pursuit podcast.
We need to do six, seven, eight, even nine figure entrepreneurs
, you know, founders, creators,people that are moving and
shaking.
Today we find ourselves inOrlando, Florida.
I think I kind of like Florida.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, you should move here, bro.
I think I might move here.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
But we're in Orlando, florida, and with an amazing
gentleman, I had the privilegeto connect with him prior to and
then we found out there's acouple of mutual friends that we
got like three or four peopleright.
So what they say about thatright, the people that you're
connected to, you're like a sumof right and and even though we
just, you know, uh, learn abouteach other, now I would say, and
(01:37):
you know, three or four peopleyou're connected to are all good
people exactly doing real stuff, so so it's more so like the
company you keep.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah, for sure, but this individual.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
He helps people with their mindset.
He helps people um get right inthe world.
If you are high achievingentrepreneur and you just have
not found, um that other levelright, what is that other level?
It's on the inside, but it'salso on the outside right and
you're looking to achieve that.
This is the gentleman that'sgoing to help you take it to the
next level, because he'salready helped hundreds of
(02:08):
people right?
So, hagan Wong, welcome to thepodcast man thank you, sir,
thank you 100% man.
So I gotta just start off withthis.
What is a one percenttransformation?
Speaker 1 (02:19):
so I talk a lot about the one percent because I feel
like nowadays society loves tocelebrate the average.
They love to be mediocre.
So when I talk a lot about the1%, because I feel like nowadays
society loves to celebrate theaverage, they love to be
mediocre.
So when I talk about the 1%,it's more of like a mindset.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
And if you just walk around in everyday life, like
you go to the supermarket, yougo to the airport and you just
look at people.
Yeah, yeah, I'm biased becauseI'm a fitness coach, right, this
is what I do.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
But just, most people are just kind of just like soft
and flabby, like I'm not sayingyou have to say.
We say soft and flabby, are youtalking about the way they
approach things or how theyactually carry themselves and
how they look?
Speaker 1 (02:52):
both, right, they're literally soft and flabby on the
outside physically, which isprobably because they're soft
and flabby on the insidementally, right, and you just
walk around and you look atthese people and they're just
like I'm just kind of mediocre,right.
So when I talk about one percent, I want to be that one person
that walks into a room and I'mbuilt like a savage, like I'm a
physical unit, right, and that's, that's what we do.
(03:14):
We.
We teach people that one percentmindset and we want to make
sure like, okay, yeah, you'resuper successful in your
business or your career, or youknow, you're a successful
entrepreneur and you're makingmoney, but none of that matters
if that's at the expense of yourhealth, and not just your
health, but like your body andyour aesthetics and how you look
, because how you lookdefinitely interacts with how
(03:38):
you present yourself to theworld and how you interact with
other people, right?
So you know, I come from afitness background and instead
of just kind of working withlike just the general population
which I do as well I've kind ofjust naturally started working
with more like entrepreneurs andbusiness owners, because I
myself am an entrepreneur andbusiness owner and they resonate
(04:00):
with my message.
I get a lot of hate at the sametime, but people who resonate
with my message are my mostloyal clients and they resonate
with everything that I'm talkingabout when it comes to the 1%
and achieving achieving likelike.
You're winning at life andyou're you can't be winning if
you're not winning at your bodyfirst.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
That's what I think.
Okay.
So I got a couple of things.
First, what is the 1%?
Right?
Let let?
Let let's establish that alittle bit.
Right, because the reason why Ifeel like it's important most
people need to know what thehell it is.
What is that 1% when we'retalking about you in life?
Because maybe some people mightbe 1% right now but have no
(04:39):
idea they could be earning acertain amount, they could be
approaching life a certain way.
You know they can have certainprinciples and morals and just
the way that they kind of goabout living, right?
So how would you break downwhat 1% is?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I would say honestly, if you're on any type of
entrepreneurial pursuit, whereyou're, you know making more
money than the average person ismaking in society.
Oh, so in America, hold on,what is the average income?
The average income like what?
30 grand a year, 40 grand ayear, let's see in real.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Let's see in real time.
I'm checking in real time y'all, yeah, you know.
So okay, united states.
Let's see united states umaverage things like 30, 40
what's that we do like averagesalary?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Average income.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah 59,000.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
59,384.
I was wrong 59,384.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
As of quarter four 2022.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah.
So if you really wanted to putit into the statistics, I mean,
the top, top 1% are like seven,eight figure entrepreneurs,
right?
So my whole philosophy is like,okay, you can get to that level
right In your finances, in yourbusiness, in your career, but
if you're sacrificing yourhealth and your physique at the
(05:56):
expense of that, then you're notreally in the 1%.
But that's just me personally.
That's my philosophy, right?
So what I do is I teach peopleokay, you can have all that,
that's good, but what about yourfitness?
What about your physicality,what about your health?
And the biggest thing is thatfitness for entrepreneurs.
(06:16):
So I go to a lot of networkingevents.
I meet a lot of business owners, I meet a lot of other
successful entrepreneurs becauseI'm trying to grow my own
business as well and it's veryinteresting the way that they
approach fitness, because in theentrepreneurial culture it's
always like, okay, hard work,work, ethic, the hustle culture,
(06:36):
grinding, which I'm all for,right, nothing wrong with that,
right.
But sometimes, actually most ofthe time, they make fitness way
harder than it actually needsto be.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
So what do you mean by that?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
I'll explain.
So when they do fitness, you'llsee them do crazy stuff like
these six-week challenges, like75-day hard stuff like that.
And, by the way, I made a videoabout this a couple weeks ago.
I'm not shitting ony forsellaor the 75 video about that.
Yeah, I did make a video aboutthat.
Yeah, you can check that out.
I'm not shitting on andyforsella.
(07:10):
I'm not shitting on 75 day hard.
I'm just shitting on theseprograms and these, these, these
sprints that people do.
They'll do like these six weekchallenges.
They'll do like these, you know, 30 day fasts.
And they're doing all thesechallenges because they want to
prove to themselves that they'rementally tough but, the reason
that they got into thatchallenge or wanted to do that
(07:32):
in the first place was becausethey wanted to get in shape,
they wanted to have that elitelevel physique.
But somewhere throughout thatjourney they realized that it
was too difficult to maintainthat for the long term.
So then they changed theirgoalposts.
They're like you know, I can'tdo this, I'm just going to do
this 75-day hard, because theythink that if they do that, if
they complete it, then they getbonus points and it's like they
(07:55):
win at something.
They prove to themselves thatthey overcame something.
But fitness isn't something thatyou ever complete and it's not
something that you can like justdo one time.
That's the fact.
It's something that you have tomaintain for the rest of your
life, right?
But unfortunately, you know,for marketing sake, like I, I
can't, I can't market on camera.
(08:16):
Be like, yeah, you're gonna getshredded in 90 days, you're
gonna, you're gonna achieve anelite level physique in 16 weeks
, like if you have 50 poundslose, that's impossible.
But I have, I have to say stufflike get shredded in 90 days,
you know, get your six pack insix weeks.
Because that's how I, that's howI get people through the door,
that's how they're gonnaresonate, yep, and then I can
(08:36):
illuminate my mentality and andmy my philosophy to hopefully I
can get that desire out of youso that you want to do this for
the long term and end upreaching your final destination,
which, in the first place, wasto get in that elite shape.
Yeah, but a lot of peoplethey're not.
They struggle to admit that, toget that true desire out of
(08:58):
them.
Which is why one of my corevalues in my company step number
one is is just being honestwith yourself.
Like tell yourself the truth,like look at yourself in the
mirror and ask yourself, likehey, am I like really happy with
how I look in the mirror withmy shirt off?
Most people like they're notwilling to admit that, and if
you can't admit that, then howare you going to do the right
(09:20):
things to change?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
yeah, that's right right.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
So the biggest things , especially for successful
entrepreneurs and businessowners, because you know, their
egos are really really high,which is which is great like I'm
all for self-confidence and andbeing confident in what you do.
But if you're not going toadmit to yourself that hey, like
I'm just mediocre in myphysique, well then, how are you
going to get to that next level?
And then they, they, they saythat they don't care.
(09:45):
But deep down they do care.
And you know how.
I know that it's because they'llstill try to cut out carbs,
they'll still try to go toequinox, they'll still go to f45
, they'll still do all thesethings.
Like they'll go out and they'llorder a salad.
Like, why are you like so?
If you could just admit thatyou actually want to change,
well, well then, all of a sudden, the actions that you have to
(10:07):
do, it just makes more sense.
Like me, the way I coach myclients like we don't have to
cut out carbs, we don't have tocut out alcohol, we don't have
to do like burpees all day, wedon't train five days a week, we
don't do hours and hours ofcardio.
What I make my clients do arevery, very simple.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
It sounds like magic, bro.
You don't gotta work out.
You don't gotta work out five,six times a week.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
You can still drink alcohol, I can still.
I can still eat carbs, you can.
What is this magic, bro?
It's not even magic bro.
It's funny because I'm tellingyou this right now and you know
I'm assuming like you're notreally in the fitness industry.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
But like I'm not in it.
I mean I'm not, but I'm not inthe industry right, right.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
So, like I say this stuff for me it's just normal,
but every now and then I meetsomeone who's not in the fitness
industry and I have to kind ofexplain.
Like, the way I do fitness orthe way I do it with my clients
is three to four days a week ofresistance training.
We make sure we get our stepsin throughout the day we hit our
protein intake.
We don't do hours and hours incardio and then throughout the
(11:02):
journey we reach our goal.
We don't have to do like sixdays of training, hours and
hours of cardio, doing a bunchof burpees, cutting out alcohol,
cutting out carbs, not eatingthe foods that you want to eat,
because if you do that, guesswhat happens?
You fall off the wagon.
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Speaker 2 (11:53):
Okay, so if they're doing that three or four days,
what do they do with the otherdays?
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Focus on your business.
You've got other things to do,right.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Are those cheat days?
Are they cheating?
No?
Speaker 1 (12:05):
of course not.
Well, I'm not look, so I'm notsaying like you, just eat pizza
and donuts all day.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
That's not what I'm saying so you're saying you're
established, they getestablished on a, on a, let's
say a system or program yeahright their mindset, they're
getting that, so they know whatto do, how to follow it, and
they're pivoting and switchingyeah adding to what they've
already built.
So when they have these offdays they're not just running to
just kill the diet or just messup the work well, of course not
(12:32):
, right.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
So we teach you how to eat within certain parameters
so that, okay, you can, ifyou're going on that, on that
airplane ride, you can stillhave that little bit of alcohol
if you want to, right.
But we look, we teach you howto incorporate it into your diet
so that you're actuallytracking it.
Got you All right.
So you're not completely goingoff the rails, right, and we
focus on the minimum effectivedose, all right.
(12:55):
So what's the least amount ofwork that you need to do to see
results?
That's what we do, becausehere's the thing, right, like I
mean you yourself, you wereworking the whole day today,
right?
You don't have time to spendtwo, three hours in the gym.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
No, no, I would normally probably do like well,
what I normally do is like hour.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, like an hour Exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Hour 30, depending on the workout, and that's totally
fine.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
You got to get in and get out Like I'm like.
Even though I'm a fitness coachI come from the fitness
industry I don't want to be inthe gym the whole day.
You know what I mean.
Maybe like I used to, but nownot anymore.
I just want to do what I needto do to stay in shape, and
that's what most of my clientswant.
Either they have to travel,they have to answer a bunch of
(13:36):
text messages throughout the day, they don't have time to be
hours and hours in the gym,especially when you're running a
business at the same time so wetalked about the one percent a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
You just told me a little bit about your magic diet
.
You know that I gotta learnmore about.
Yeah, um.
So when it comes to health,right, because you know
entrepreneurship nine to five,it doesn't matter where you're
in when it comes to this healthpeople always chasing money,
right, and they want to makemore money.
(14:06):
They want to do this.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
They want to do that.
Nothing wrong with that, it'snot wrong with that but I feel
like a lot of people are.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
They're not taking health serious and not.
They're not kind of like if Iget the money they're not like,
okay, let me get their help.
Like that.
Like these things for everyoneare not the same.
That's why I agree.
The one person yes, one percentlike mother effort.
Yeah, to me is like money right, my right, right with God and
(14:35):
and you're a good person, goodhuman right.
And I feel like it's superachievable Because it's not even
necessarily like you got aclock, seven, eight, nine
figures, you can literally be on.
You can do like a quarter milli350 and be good right, exactly
so the reason why I'm asking youis this so I just came from a
mastermind it's a cryptomastermind.
So everybody in the room tryand get a bag super.
(15:00):
So everybody in the room tryingto get a bag super, bag right,
they're trying to learn how totrade and invest, but I would
say probably quarter 30% in theroom all the way in a big way in
a big way like visually right.
So why do you think people, theykind of like put that to the
side.
Come, people don't take that asserious.
What do you think it is aboutour health, where we wait to the
(15:24):
last minute, or you know,instead of going to the gym, we
just get bigger clothes.
You know, like what do youthink?
Is it a American thing?
Because when I travel todifferent countries, like like I
, I've been to France a fewtimes, yeah, you know, like I've
been to even Thailand, I'vebeen to even Canada, yeah.
(15:45):
They're just north, yeah, but Ifeel like America is just a
little bit more, you know, obese, a little bit more overweight.
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (15:52):
It's funny you bring that up because I'm actually
originally from Hong Kong, soyou so, when I was growing up,
obesity is not a commonoccurrence in society and when I
first came to the United Statesin 2016 Rob.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Markman.
Oh, you just got here RobMarkman.
Yeah, so was it that recent RobMarkman?
Welcome, welcome, man RobMarkman.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
But yeah, when I first got here I was like damn,
there's a lot of overweightpeople, rob Markman, so you
noticed it like off the bat.
Oh yeah, for sure.
And you know what was the mostinteresting observation I had
was actually one day I went toHome Depot cause I wanted to get
some supplies and I was likegoing to check out and then
there was like snacks and foodand drinks in the checkout aisle
(16:33):
.
I'm like wait, I thought thiswas a Home Depot.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Like where I'm'm from , if we like our version of home
depot, we don't have like foodin the store, you know what I
never thought about.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
That right right, yeah, impulse buys, right.
So it's like they.
The food environment, like foodis so accessible in the us.
Everywhere you go, there's avending machine, there's a snack
here, there's somewhere thatyou can buy some type of high
calorie food.
So I think that's a contributorto like why Americans are so
overweight.
But to address your otherquestion, like why is it that
(17:05):
when you start making so muchmoney or start getting so
successful that you startputting fitness on the back
burner?
I mean, it really is just amindset thing.
So a little bit about myselfand the reason why I talk so
much about mindset on my videos,on my Instagram, on my social
(17:25):
media, more than I talk aboutthe specifics, about training
and nutrition.
Because I truly believe andthis is something that I'm
really passionate about I trulybelieve that your mindset, as
cliche as that sounds, is moreimportant than the specific
technicalities of the trainingand nutrition, because fitness
is free on the internet.
You can Google how to loseweight, how to get a six pack,
how to build muscle and you'llget millions of results.
But then why are people stilloverweight?
(17:47):
So it's because of the mindset.
And to tell you a little bitabout my story.
Back in 2017, I was actually acompetitive athlete and I
suffered an injury and I didreally well.
I was like first place in mycompetition.
But then I suffered an injuryand I just kind of completely
stopped training and at the sametime, because I did really well
(18:09):
in that competition, I startedgetting a lot of social media
fame.
My business started taking off,started getting more
opportunities, and in my mind Iwas like, yeah, you know what?
Like I've already finished thiscompetition.
I already made a name formyself Like all these business
opportunities are coming,started making more money.
Why?
Why am I like training thishard?
I'm just going to relax alittle bit, all right.
(18:30):
And then I use my injury as likean excuse to like not go to the
gym.
Like I could have.
It wasn't that serious, I couldhave went back to the gym and
rehabbed it.
I knew everything that I wassupposed to do, like fitness and
exercise science that's mything, right but I couldn't get
myself to do it because I wasjust kind of like you know what?
My business is taking off, mytraining I mean, I've been there
(18:52):
, done that.
I might as well just focus onthis thing.
And I started making more moneyand then I started just
completely putting fitness onthe back burner and the biggest
thing was, throughout thatjourney, it was really, really
hard for me to get myself toadmit that I put fitness on the
(19:12):
back burner.
Oh wow.
So, that was the biggest thing,right.
So being honest with yourself,yeah, exactly.
Which is why that's core valuenumber one with biggest thing,
right.
So being honest with yourself,yeah, exactly which is why
that's core value number onewith my company, right.
Because I wasn't honest withmyself, right, I would wear
bigger shirts.
I didn't want to go outside asmuch because I was like, yeah, I
don't want to.
I was a little bit embarrassedinside but I would just kind of
(19:33):
cover it up and I wasn't justbeing 100 hundred percent honest
with myself.
And at the same time, you know,I had a newborn daughter and my
wife, and it wasn't until itwasn't until one day my wife
came up to me and she was like,damn, hagen, like what happened
to?
You used to be this superjacked and strong.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
You're not the guy.
You're not the guy.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yeah, yeah exactly, exactly and and back then I was
like who do you think you'retalking to?
I was like I was a little bitoffended at first, but then I
looked at myself in the mirror,took my shirt off and I was like
, damn, like she's right.
Yeah, I had to humble myself alittle bit and from that point
on I was like, okay, I gotta getmy shit together, I gotta do
(20:14):
something about this.
But for a lot of people likethank god, I didn't have a
something about this.
But for a lot of people likethank God, I didn't have a super
traumatic experience, right.
But for a lot of people ittakes a traumatic experience for
them to make that switch intheir mind, like their wife
divorced them or something.
They lose a significant otheror a health scare or something.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yeah, that's a fact.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Yeah, and it's not until then.
They want to take their fitnessseriously.
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I got that early.
I just remember being like sixor seven and I don't know why I
remember this specifically, butmy godmom lived across the
(21:21):
street, so I remember like shewas either walking me back
across the street or I was goingover there, but I remember like
, just looking at like myrelatives, just like it was
almost like an out of body.
I don't even know why like atsix, with this type of cognition
.
But I was like grandmaoverweight, aunt overweight.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
And they weren't like overweight.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
They were round.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
You know what I'm saying?
They weren't in shape, Sureyeah.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I was like aunt, grandma, great-grandma, uncle.
Yeah, I was like I ain't goingto be like that.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, I just knew it.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
And from then I, it just went in my brain it's not
like I was working out when Iwas six or seven it was just
like implanted in my brain.
Yeah, and because of that mywhole life is like like I'm not
gonna be fat.
Yeah, gotta work out.
Yep, eat right, you know what Imean like even if I feel like I
ate too many donuts, let's sayI ate a donut yeah and I feel
(22:14):
like I ate too many donuts.
Number water the next day.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
No donuts for a month wow, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Like, like I said, yeah, I self-audit myself and,
uh, I'm not taking things awayright, um, but you know, kind of
like what you said earlier,like you know, I'm just more
aware.
Okay, cool, I'm gonna eat this,but it's like I ain't going
crazy with it yeah but if I dogo crazy, guess what?
Speaker 1 (22:36):
I'm in the gym going you're gonna punish yourself,
yeah we can't, we can't do itright, you're gonna make up for
it 100.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
So, uh, that that's really that.
That's a big thing, the mindset, and I don't know.
Obviously I've never been tohong kong, so I don't know what
the, what the culture like there, right, but um, in america they
went.
They're not teaching like workout.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
They're not.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
There's no there's no like big push to be like okay,
american citizens, like you know, we got a health day.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
You know there used to be a workout day.
Yeah, back in the day used tobe right, even in schools.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Yeah, I remember we used to have a little something
and that.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
That's another problem.
I'm glad you brought that up,because I saw this one reel on
instagram.
It was like it was like during,like like school in the 1970s
in america or no, I think 1950sor something, like during world
war ii or something.
And just see these high schoolkids like just climbing on
monkey bars jack, likeeverybody's jacked.
It's like what, what happened?
Like why, why don't we havethat anymore?
(23:41):
You know, nowadays it's almostlike in high school, it's it's
not okay to to have pe.
I saw another post about howlike, oh, now like it's not
about winning everybody, just,you know we're all, we're all
doing this just for fun.
Here's our participation trophy.
I am totally against that, metoo.
It's like.
(24:01):
I'm glad we agree because it'sbecause competition is what
breeds excellence, doesn't makebetter exactly that's how you
get better exactly so.
So why?
Why are you taking that away?
Because you're afraid ofhurting other people's feelings?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
yeah, no life is gonna hurt your feelings every
day.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Exactly, exactly.
You know what I mean.
That's exactly my mindset andmy philosophy is that I think
recently, the past couple years,society is just cracking down
on this winning mentality.
What I want to do with mycompany and my message is to
attack that and go against that,like, hey, no, it's okay to win
(24:38):
, there's nothing wrong withwinning, there's nothing wrong
with wanting to make more money,there's nothing wrong with
wanting to be in elite shape.
But it's like, for example, Isaw a post of this girl who had
an insane body transformationand she posted on Instagram, had
a very emotional story andeverything.
And in the captions captionslike ridiculous comments.
(24:58):
It's just like oh, you're fatphobic.
Oh, it's not about the physique, why are you so self-obsessed?
I'm like this lady just had aninsane, like she changed her
life.
Can you at least like, give hersome some recognition and
applaud that?
But no, you're, you want to,you want to drag her down
because it makes you feel betterabout yourself right now and I
(25:18):
think that's so.
That's so toxic.
Then the same with making money.
Right, we're here in the, inthe business world, right, what?
What's wrong with making money?
People?
People call you greedy, peoplecall you self-obsessed.
I don't think there's anythingwrong with that, it's not wrong
with that.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to
take hagen.
We gotta take care of ourfamilies.
You know how much things cost,yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Things cost a lot.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Ubers is a lot.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
And Lyfts is a lot.
Yep.
What I noticed is this I don'tknow if you noticed this either,
but have you paid for anythingin the last month or two?
And it's like a little pop-upcome up and it's like tip or
it's like a little like Like ifyou move too fast, you're going
to get an extra $5.
Like these things are happeningall over the place.
So, people are just trying tolike they're trying to get money
from us from all over, so youhave to make money, Like the air
(26:06):
that we're breathing is inabundance.
So that means money is inabundance, wealth is in
abundance and we need thatbecause you know inflation is
rising.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Things are more expensive, you know, the average
, uh, american ways, as we justfound out, is just under 60 000,
that's not climbing, no timesoon, oh yeah, you can't buy a
house technically single personmaking 60 000 you can't, yeah,
it's not nowadays, unless you'regonna live like in the middle
america yeah, or you're gonna belike forever in debt.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Yeah right, I was just talking to this about one
of my buddies and we weretalking about how, like nowadays
I mean, making six figures islike the bare minimum if you
actually want to live like agood quality of life and like
not be in like significant debtno effect so it's like you you
either like, like, go with that,or you just become like
everybody else, and that's adecision that you have to make.
Yeah, so that's another thingthat I'm really passionate about
(26:54):
is making money.
Even though I'm a fitness coach, I am running my own business,
but I'm not afraid to admit thatI want to run my business.
I want to scale my business andbe very, very successful.
It's funny, I can actually tellyou a story about that.
I'm not afraid to admit that Iwant to make money and I want to
(27:16):
be successful.
But it's Nowadays in society,if you talk about that kind of
stuff, people call you greedy,people call you hey, you're
being narcissistic.
It's vanity to want that right.
I met another person at anothernetworking event and, mind you,
this dude's super successful.
(27:37):
Like money's not an issue, he'srunning a seven-figure business
and he rented a car when he waslocal and he made a social
media post.
And he rented a car when he waslike local and he made a social
media post and he was like,yeah, I wanted to rent this car
and we just got the cheapest car, because I don't tie my
identity to the car, it's notabout the flashy car like other
business owners, entrepreneurs,are gonna come in with their
(27:58):
rolls royce, bentley, whatever.
For me, it's not about that andin my mind I was like, okay,
like I understand your point,like I know where you're coming
from, but at the same time, I'mlike the fact that you had to go
out of your way on social mediato post about that it shows
that, like there's a little bitof conflict in your mind, as in
(28:21):
like, like you could have justrented that car and not said
anything about it, but you hadto.
You had to prove to societybecause you want to be validated
and you want people to look atyou and be like, oh, you're so
much better, you're so much morevirtuous than everybody else,
because you didn't want to getthat nicer car, but like, like,
what's wrong with that?
Like I, I, I'm not afraid toadmit that I want a nicer car.
(28:43):
Yeah, I'm not afraid to admitthat I want a nicer car.
I'm not afraid to admit that Iwant to be that, get to that
next level.
And I think a lot of peoplewrestle with that, not only in
their finances and I know we'retalking about cars, but this is
analogous to fitness as wellLike people are just afraid to
admit that, hey, I want to be inthat elite level physique, I
want a six-pack, I want to bejacked, I want to have big
(29:03):
muscles.
But people, people strugglewith that conflict in their mind
.
They're not congruent withtheir thoughts and their beliefs
and which is why they're stuckin life.
And one of my buddies, kyle.
He's in the insurance industryand he recently bought a bmw
brand new 2024 m340i.
And prior to him buying the BMW, he had some shitty Honda HRV
(29:28):
and I kept shitting on him likebro, dude, your car sucks.
You're out here on social media.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
You need friends like this Dude for real.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I'm telling you like, dude, you're out here on social
media, you're marketingyourself as this person who's
helping out rich people managetheir money and their finances
and and life insurance, andyou're rocking around this
shitty-ass car Like, okay, yeah,it's not everything about the
car, but it's going to help yourmarketing, it's going to help
your persona, it's going to helpyour brand, you can afford it.
But he kept telling me oh no,my identity isn't tied around
(29:56):
the car, I can delay mygratification.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
But his customer's identity wrapped around the car.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Right, everybody judges the book by its cover.
You can't deny that right.
And then let me tell you this Ifinally convinced him to get a
new car, that BMW, right.
As soon as he got it, hisentire identity changed.
I was right.
The entire time he was in lovewith the car.
He was like oh my God, hagen, Ilove this BMW.
You got to come try it out,dude, check out features, maxed
(30:27):
out features.
You see what I'm saying?
His whole energy and frequencyand things I had to get him to
overcome that, that conflict inhis mind, that incongruency.
Then, once he overcame that,his identity changed, moving
forward.
Now that he upgraded his car toa BMW, that's his new standard.
Yeah, of course, who knows whatelse he's going to get next?
That's his new bottom Right,Exactly, exactly so.
So a lot of people I meansegwaying this to fitness,
(30:49):
because that's what I do, right.
A lot of people, they'll saythings like ah, I just want to
be healthy, I just want to dothis for my family, for my kids,
which are all valid reasons todo fitness, right.
But if you could just admitthat, no, I'm not just doing
this to be quote-unquote healthy, which is just a generic term.
(31:09):
I'm doing this because I wantto walk around in that 1% shape.
I want to be absolutelyshredded and jacked so that when
I walk into a room peoplerespect me and they can see and
look at me.
Damn, I respect that guybecause I know that he put a lot
of hard work and sacrifice toachieve that physique.
You see what I'm going with withthis yeah if you make over 120k
a year, I will get youabsolutely shredded in less than
(31:32):
16 weeks.
And this is not some bs fitnessprogram that you get from some
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performing lifestyle.
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I'm a husband and a father, soI understand the demands of your
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(31:53):
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Speaker 2 (32:08):
So we got a couple questions for you, right?
Obviously, I go to the gym.
You know, every day, every day,different gyms, yeah, yeah,
different cities.
Sometimes I want to travel andI noticed that you know just
people in the gym they'rewearing less and less clothes.
(32:29):
Men and women, they're wearingless and less clothes.
Yeah, how do you feel aboutthat?
Just in terms of just like, andthey could be going hard in the
gym.
I'm not saying they're notgoing hard in the gym, in the
gym.
I'm not saying they're not goinghard in the gym, yeah, but you
think that, like just beingsomeone who's in the industry,
yeah, that actually trains.
Yeah, what, what?
What is your opinion on on onthe?
On the current, like with likefemales.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah, I mean honestly like, yeah, some of the things
I see women wearing the gym arelike way too revealing, but at
the end of the day, it's likeyou do, you, I don't really care
.
Yeah, you know, I saw a funnyreel of how these women fitness
influencers are filmingthemselves and they think that
everybody's looking at them.
(33:12):
Nobody's looking at them.
I mean, I'll tell you this man,me personally I don't really go
to commercial gyms anymore.
I train in a really particularway for my sport, so I go to one
of those hardcore gyms, so Idon't really see any of that.
But every now and then, yeah,I'll go to a commercial gym and
I'll see exactly what you'retalking about.
I mean, the girls are almostnaked and I don't think that's
(33:35):
right, because if you don't wantthe attention, then why are you
dressed like that?
You know what I mean, that'swhat I'll say with that.
For then, why are you dressedlike that?
You know what I mean, that'swhat I'll say with that For guys
?
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I mean, I don't really notice guys wearing less
and less In LA, bro, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Really.
Yeah, maybe it's the LA thing.
Yeah, I don't really go thatpart of town.
It's kind of crazy in the gym.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, what about, okay, women in the gym.
What about how men approachwomen in the gym?
I mean, you go to differentgyms but ever in commercial gyms
you ever notice how men andwomen interact in those settings
?
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yeah, I'll see it, but when I'm in the gym I'm like
you locked in.
I'm headphones in, I don't talkto anybody.
I don't care.
If you want to use thisequipment, head nod, I got it.
I'm not going to take off myearphones because I have no time
to waste.
As soon as I'm done here, I'mback on my grind working on my
business.
So like, yeah what about?
Speaker 2 (34:32):
um?
Uh, fitness influences right.
So yeah, uh, are you familiarwith um?
Uh, like broly games, youfamiliar, you know broly games
is um.
What about?
What's the guy's name?
Kenny Coe.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Not familiar.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
So Broly he's in Brooklyn.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
He vegan, but his thing's calisthenics.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
So he goes crazy with calisthenics Kenny.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
He's a fitness influencer.
He did a couple of competitions, but this whole thing is
basically just like gym culture.
So he has like realconversations, so like if people
were doing like you knowwhether they're natty or not
natty, you know what I mean ifthey may need like physical
modifications, it's like cause.
I think one of the things thathe's contributing to that I
(35:23):
think I appreciate is thatthere's not a lot of
conversations in gym culture.
Like I'll go to the gym and I'lltalk to people about what's
going on.
Maybe I might see the sameperson all the time, so you have
that type of camaraderie.
But we're not really talkingabout like what are you doing?
Like what are you eating, like,what's your mindset, like you
(35:44):
know what has helped you stayconsistent.
There's no real conversations,I think.
So I really like how thathappened.
But, as a trainer, are youhaving these real conversations
with your clients and I guesslike figuring out what they got
going on in their life?
Yeah, for sure To remove someblocks so that that helps them
perform better in the gym andget them to other levels yeah,
(36:06):
absolutely, it's like I saidearlier.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Right, I talk way more about mindset and and
belief and getting that internaldesire out of you instead of
the specifics of the trainingand nutrition.
That stuff is easy.
That stuff is easy.
You can, you can google thatstuff on youtube.
You can spend a whole day doingresearch and you'll know
exactly what to do, right.
But but most people, they don'twant to spend all that time,
(36:30):
which is why they spend money tohire a coach and then we
expedite that process, right?
But yeah, the conversations Ihave with my clients a lot of
times is just asking them like,like, hey, like, why are you
doing this?
What's, what's the real reasonthat you're doing this fitness
thing?
Yeah, right, and they'll say,oh, yeah, I just, you know, want
to lose 30, 40, 50 pounds, butit's, it's, it's not just about
(36:53):
the weight loss, like, it's,it's beyond the weight loss,
right, but but people say thatbecause that that's what they
think that they want, becausethey're overweight.
But, yeah, once you lose theweight, then what happens?
Right, you're still, you'restill mediocre.
Yeah, you're still soft andflabby.
Right, you don't have thatmuscle definition that you want.
(37:15):
So your, your real fitnessjourney, quote-unquote starts
like if you're overweight.
After you lose that weight andthen after you lose all that
body fat, we get to see whatyou're really made of.
We get to see, like, okay,because sometimes I'll get these
people who used to be likeathletes back in the day.
I train a lot of older people.
(37:36):
They used to be like athletesback in the day.
They shred all that fat off and, okay, they got some muscle
definition in there.
But some people've like neverdone anything remotely
physically active in their lifeand you shred all that fat off
and then, like, they're justsoft and just mediocre.
And then I tell them like, likehey, like good job, you lost
the weight.
Like I'm not saying that's abad thing, but I don't.
(37:57):
I don't celebrate that as muchas what other fitness coaches.
What other fitness coaches saybecause that's why I think I get
a lot of hate in the fitnesscommunity is because, like, like
, other fitness coaches will belike, oh, congratulations, you
lost 20 pounds, you lost 30pounds, all right, so what you
like?
Speaker 2 (38:12):
you look, you look the same.
You lost the weight, yeah, yeahyeah, good job.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Okay, now we gotta build your physique up.
It's time to do work, yeah,yeah.
So now that your journey startsI don't give a shit about just
weight loss Like I'll applaudyou for it.
Good job.
You're very disciplined and youfollowed what I told you to do.
But what's the next step?
Okay, the next step is to buildthat elite level physique.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
I think everybody needs a Hagan, bro.
You know what I'm saying.
You hold people accountable,exactly 100%.
Yeah, what about food, bro?
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yep, I'm vegan.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
I hear a lot of shit oh you're vegan.
I'm vegan.
I hear a lot of shit for beingvegan, you know.
So what about being vegan?
What about people that just youknow these carnivore diets?
What about you know what I mean?
Like, what's your opinion onthis food?
Man and I did my blood.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
So the interesting thing about this is I went vegan
because I had some really badeggs one time.
This is back in la 2020, okay,and I was already awesome, like
I've always been all I alwayswant to evolve my diet, but I
wasn't like aggressive with it,I just kind of let things come.
So I had this meal that wouldalways I would normally get, but
it just didn't serve me right,that's it no more chicken, no
(39:16):
more dairy.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
I just want to be really four years really, so it
was like an emotional thing, wow.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
but I didn't do it based off of like blood, dna,
nothing.
I just did it based off offeelings.
So recently I went and got myfull blood panel Because I'm
like you know what, I'm going tosee what's going on with the
blood and if my blood says thatI should have some of this and
some of that.
I'm going to change my diet.
I'm willing to.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
You know what?
Speaker 2 (39:38):
I mean, yeah, they're like yo, you're good.
Like they're like you know youcan increase your, you know,
your iron intake a little bit,but they was like.
Aside from that, they was likeyo, you're good.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
So I was like damn.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
I guess I'm going to just stay vegan.
So what's your take on?
And I know probably everybody'sbody is different, and you?
Speaker 1 (39:55):
know Right.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but what's your take on like
carnivore, hardcore carniv, morediets and then vegan diets yeah
, I mean, I'll be 100 honestwith you, man.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
I'm not, um, a fan of , like vegan diets or
plant-based diets, but at thesame time, I understand that it
works for some people.
You know, like it's not.
Like, at the end of the day,all you need, like what do
people with plant-based dietsI'm not a proponent of?
I have a couple clients thatare plant-based but like that's
a very, very small percentage.
(40:24):
I'm a huge fan of red.
I have a couple of clients thatare plant-based but like that's
a very, very small percentage.
I'm a huge fan of red meat andeverything.
But at the end of the day, like,what do you need to supplement?
Okay, like you said, the iron,the vitamin B12s and stuff like
that.
As long as you check the boxes,I mean you're good, but then
it's like your lifestyle, likeare you going to supplement all
these things?
And like what if you're out andabout and there's not like a
vegan store or something?
(40:45):
Just, you know it's like it'snot, like it's?
It's not impossible, but it'sjust it's more of an uphill
battle.
Yeah, so if you're disciplinedenough and it works for you, go
for it, right.
But as for the, as far as theseother diets.
I'm, I'm not, I'm not a fan offad diets.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
You know what, you know what fad diets are right,
like yeah, all meats fad dietyeah, like you, it's like people
do these things they're waitingfor the new, the latest and the
greatest.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Yeah what was that?
I feel like people when it comesto diet they're waiting for
that latest and yeah yeah, yeah,it's the same thing with what I
was talking about with the 75day hard and the six week
challenges.
It's like, oh, this is the newthing that will get me.
It's not like, because what'sgoing to happen is, you're going
to do it and it's superrestrictive to some extent, you
might see some results, youmight not, but then after that,
(41:29):
what are you going to do?
Are you like, if you're notgoing to do that for the rest of
your life, what's the point ofdoing this?
Because fitness is a lifelongthing.
It's not something that youjust complete for one time and
then, oh, good job.
Like no, it takes way longerthan that no, that's the fact,
right?
so, yeah, I'm not a fan of theseweird different diets.
I'm a fan of of just teachingyou like okay, what are you
currently eating right now?
We'll optimize that.
(41:50):
And then, how can we make thissustainable for the long term?
Right, because it doesn't take16 weeks.
It takes like years to get inthat elite level shape yeah, all
right.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
So before we wrap up, man and and I want you to let
them know how they can work withyou, but before we even talk
about that if someone's broke,they don't have the money to
invest to work with you let'sjust say yeah, let's say they're
confined by their travel.
Like they don't, let's say theydon't got a car whatever they
(42:20):
just got their environment.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Right.
So they don't got no money,they just have their immediate
environment.
What could they do if they wantto get serious about changing
their physique?
Is there anything they can dowith no money and just where
they're at right?
Speaker 1 (42:33):
now go on youtube.
Fitness is free on the internet, right.
So what?
What I do is?
I mean, I don't work withanybody who, who, um, doesn't
make more than 120 K a year.
That's like a.
There's like a financialrequirement to join the program.
But if you can't, then just goon YouTube.
Fitness is free, right.
There's no reason why you can'tGoogle stuff and do it on your
(42:55):
own.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
I like that.
Yo listen, you got to make sixfigures to work.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
So, uh, if you know any six figurefigure
entrepreneurs share this podcast.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
That's right the people I work with.
They have no time to waste,they just want to pay it.
And they're they.
They meet the financialrequirement and they're ready to
start immediately becausethey're so sick of being stuck
where they are right now, tryingall these different diets,
trying all these differentprograms and challenges, and you
still look in the mirror andyou still look mediocre and
you're not proud of who you are.
(43:23):
So that's the people that I'mtalking to.
They're ready to move forwardand they have the funds to
invest and they don't have anytime to waste.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
This has been dope bro, Absolutely.
Let people know where they cango to work with you If they're
making at least $125,.
They get their mind right,their body right and just change
and become a one percent forsure.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Where?
they where they need to go I'mmost active on instagram, so my
instagram tag is hagen,underscore sl.
So that'll be h-a-g-e-nunderscore sl.
You shoot me a dm.
Either me or one of my teammembers will respond to you and
then we can jump on a call,consultation call, and I'm also
on YouTube.
Just look at my name, hagenWong.
(44:08):
You'll find videos of metraining in the past in my
competitions and stuff like that.
I'm also starting to do like aweekly podcast series where I
just talk about stuff.
Yeah, exactly, but yeah, I'mmostly on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
So if you guys need help with anything or you guys
interested in getting started,just shoot me a DM there.
So listen, we'll make sure.
Hagen's links is below forInstagram and YouTube.
Do you have any free resources,books or anything for them to
get?
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Yep, If you go ahead and click the link in my bio on
Instagram, there's a freetraining right there for you.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Yeah we'll put it below to make it easy.
Make sure y'all stay on theplatform, get all this
information.
Um so listen, it's been anotherepisode of the honorable suit
podcast.
That's hagan wong, and he wantsto make you a one percent like
the best in your life, so makesure you tap in and share this
podcast out with a couple people, especially if you know there's
some people that you want tohave an impression on and have
their lives changed.
Thanks a lot for checking itout, peace.
When I talk about 1%, I want to be that one person
(00:02):
that walks into a room and I'mbuilt like a savage, I'm a
physical unit, right, and that'swhat we do.
We teach people that 1% mindsetand we want to make sure like,
okay, yeah, you're supersuccessful in your business,
you're a successful entrepreneurand you're making money, but
none of that matters if that'sat the expense of your health.
The conversations I have withmy clients a lot of times is
just asking them like, hey, whyare you doing this?
(00:25):
What's the real reason thatyou're doing this fitness thing?
And they'll say, oh yeah, Ijust want to lose 30, 40, 50
pounds.
But it's not just about theweight loss, like it's beyond
the weight loss.
In the entrepreneurial culture,it's very interesting the way
that they approach fitness.
They make fitness way harderthan it actually needs to be.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Welcome to the Art of Pursuit podcast.
We need to do six, seven, eight, even nine figure entrepreneurs
, you know, founders, creators,people that are moving and
shaking.
Today we find ourselves inOrlando, Florida.
I think I kind of like Florida.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, you should move here, bro.
I think I might move here.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
But we're in Orlando, florida, and with an amazing
gentleman, I had the privilegeto connect with him prior to and
then we found out there's acouple of mutual friends that we
got like three or four peopleright.
So what they say about thatright, the people that you're
connected to, you're like a sumof right and and even though we
just, you know, uh, learn abouteach other, now I would say, and
(01:37):
you know, three or four peopleyou're connected to are all good
people exactly doing real stuff, so so it's more so like the
company you keep.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah, for sure, but this individual.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
He helps people with their mindset.
He helps people um get right inthe world.
If you are high achievingentrepreneur and you just have
not found, um that other levelright, what is that other level?
It's on the inside, but it'salso on the outside right and
you're looking to achieve that.
This is the gentleman that'sgoing to help you take it to the
next level, because he'salready helped hundreds of
(02:08):
people right?
So, hagan Wong, welcome to thepodcast man thank you, sir,
thank you 100% man.
So I gotta just start off withthis.
What is a one percenttransformation?
Speaker 1 (02:19):
so I talk a lot about the one percent because I feel
like nowadays society loves tocelebrate the average.
They love to be mediocre.
So when I talk a lot about the1%, because I feel like nowadays
society loves to celebrate theaverage, they love to be
mediocre.
So when I talk about the 1%,it's more of like a mindset.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
And if you just walk around in everyday life, like
you go to the supermarket, yougo to the airport and you just
look at people.
Yeah, yeah, I'm biased becauseI'm a fitness coach, right, this
is what I do.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
But just, most people are just kind of just like soft
and flabby, like I'm not sayingyou have to say.
We say soft and flabby, are youtalking about the way they
approach things or how theyactually carry themselves and
how they look?
Speaker 1 (02:52):
both, right, they're literally soft and flabby on the
outside physically, which isprobably because they're soft
and flabby on the insidementally, right, and you just
walk around and you look atthese people and they're just
like I'm just kind of mediocre,right.
So when I talk about one percent, I want to be that one person
that walks into a room and I'mbuilt like a savage, like I'm a
physical unit, right, and that's, that's what we do.
(03:14):
We.
We teach people that one percentmindset and we want to make
sure like, okay, yeah, you'resuper successful in your
business or your career, or youknow, you're a successful
entrepreneur and you're makingmoney, but none of that matters
if that's at the expense of yourhealth, and not just your
health, but like your body andyour aesthetics and how you look
, because how you lookdefinitely interacts with how
(03:38):
you present yourself to theworld and how you interact with
other people, right?
So you know, I come from afitness background and instead
of just kind of working withlike just the general population
which I do as well I've kind ofjust naturally started working
with more like entrepreneurs andbusiness owners, because I
myself am an entrepreneur andbusiness owner and they resonate
(04:00):
with my message.
I get a lot of hate at the sametime, but people who resonate
with my message are my mostloyal clients and they resonate
with everything that I'm talkingabout when it comes to the 1%
and achieving achieving likelike.
You're winning at life andyou're you can't be winning if
you're not winning at your bodyfirst.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
That's what I think.
Okay.
So I got a couple of things.
First, what is the 1%?
Right?
Let let?
Let let's establish that alittle bit.
Right, because the reason why Ifeel like it's important most
people need to know what thehell it is.
What is that 1% when we'retalking about you in life?
Because maybe some people mightbe 1% right now but have no
(04:39):
idea they could be earning acertain amount, they could be
approaching life a certain way.
You know they can have certainprinciples and morals and just
the way that they kind of goabout living, right?
So how would you break downwhat 1% is?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I would say honestly, if you're on any type of
entrepreneurial pursuit, whereyou're, you know making more
money than the average person ismaking in society.
Oh, so in America, hold on,what is the average income?
The average income like what?
30 grand a year, 40 grand ayear, let's see in real.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Let's see in real time.
I'm checking in real time y'all, yeah, you know.
So okay, united states.
Let's see united states umaverage things like 30, 40
what's that we do like averagesalary?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Average income.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah 59,000.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
59,384.
I was wrong 59,384.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
As of quarter four 2022.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah.
So if you really wanted to putit into the statistics, I mean,
the top, top 1% are like seven,eight figure entrepreneurs,
right?
So my whole philosophy is like,okay, you can get to that level
right In your finances, in yourbusiness, in your career, but
if you're sacrificing yourhealth and your physique at the
(05:56):
expense of that, then you're notreally in the 1%.
But that's just me personally.
That's my philosophy, right?
So what I do is I teach peopleokay, you can have all that,
that's good, but what about yourfitness?
What about your physicality,what about your health?
And the biggest thing is thatfitness for entrepreneurs.
(06:16):
So I go to a lot of networkingevents.
I meet a lot of business owners, I meet a lot of other
successful entrepreneurs becauseI'm trying to grow my own
business as well and it's veryinteresting the way that they
approach fitness, because in theentrepreneurial culture it's
always like, okay, hard work,work, ethic, the hustle culture,
(06:36):
grinding, which I'm all for,right, nothing wrong with that,
right.
But sometimes, actually most ofthe time, they make fitness way
harder than it actually needsto be.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
So what do you mean by that?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
I'll explain.
So when they do fitness, you'llsee them do crazy stuff like
these six-week challenges, like75-day hard stuff like that.
And, by the way, I made a videoabout this a couple weeks ago.
I'm not shitting ony forsellaor the 75 video about that.
Yeah, I did make a video aboutthat.
Yeah, you can check that out.
I'm not shitting on andyforsella.
(07:10):
I'm not shitting on 75 day hard.
I'm just shitting on theseprograms and these, these, these
sprints that people do.
They'll do like these six weekchallenges.
They'll do like these, you know, 30 day fasts.
And they're doing all thesechallenges because they want to
prove to themselves that they'rementally tough but, the reason
that they got into thatchallenge or wanted to do that
(07:32):
in the first place was becausethey wanted to get in shape,
they wanted to have that elitelevel physique.
But somewhere throughout thatjourney they realized that it
was too difficult to maintainthat for the long term.
So then they changed theirgoalposts.
They're like you know, I can'tdo this, I'm just going to do
this 75-day hard, because theythink that if they do that, if
they complete it, then they getbonus points and it's like they
(07:55):
win at something.
They prove to themselves thatthey overcame something.
But fitness isn't something thatyou ever complete and it's not
something that you can like justdo one time.
That's the fact.
It's something that you have tomaintain for the rest of your
life, right?
But unfortunately, you know,for marketing sake, like I, I
can't, I can't market on camera.
(08:16):
Be like, yeah, you're gonna getshredded in 90 days, you're
gonna, you're gonna achieve anelite level physique in 16 weeks
, like if you have 50 poundslose, that's impossible.
But I have, I have to say stufflike get shredded in 90 days,
you know, get your six pack insix weeks.
Because that's how I, that's howI get people through the door,
that's how they're gonnaresonate, yep, and then I can
(08:36):
illuminate my mentality and andmy my philosophy to hopefully I
can get that desire out of youso that you want to do this for
the long term and end upreaching your final destination,
which, in the first place, wasto get in that elite shape.
Yeah, but a lot of peoplethey're not.
They struggle to admit that, toget that true desire out of
(08:58):
them.
Which is why one of my corevalues in my company step number
one is is just being honestwith yourself.
Like tell yourself the truth,like look at yourself in the
mirror and ask yourself, likehey, am I like really happy with
how I look in the mirror withmy shirt off?
Most people like they're notwilling to admit that, and if
you can't admit that, then howare you going to do the right
(09:20):
things to change?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
yeah, that's right right.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
So the biggest things , especially for successful
entrepreneurs and businessowners, because you know, their
egos are really really high,which is which is great like I'm
all for self-confidence and andbeing confident in what you do.
But if you're not going toadmit to yourself that hey, like
I'm just mediocre in myphysique, well then, how are you
going to get to that next level?
And then they, they, they saythat they don't care.
(09:45):
But deep down they do care.
And you know how.
I know that it's because they'llstill try to cut out carbs,
they'll still try to go toequinox, they'll still go to f45
, they'll still do all thesethings.
Like they'll go out and they'llorder a salad.
Like, why are you like so?
If you could just admit thatyou actually want to change,
well, well then, all of a sudden, the actions that you have to
(10:07):
do, it just makes more sense.
Like me, the way I coach myclients like we don't have to
cut out carbs, we don't have tocut out alcohol, we don't have
to do like burpees all day, wedon't train five days a week, we
don't do hours and hours ofcardio.
What I make my clients do arevery, very simple.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
It sounds like magic, bro.
You don't gotta work out.
You don't gotta work out five,six times a week.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
You can still drink alcohol, I can still.
I can still eat carbs, you can.
What is this magic, bro?
It's not even magic bro.
It's funny because I'm tellingyou this right now and you know
I'm assuming like you're notreally in the fitness industry.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
But like I'm not in it.
I mean I'm not, but I'm not inthe industry right, right.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
So, like I say this stuff for me it's just normal,
but every now and then I meetsomeone who's not in the fitness
industry and I have to kind ofexplain.
Like, the way I do fitness orthe way I do it with my clients
is three to four days a week ofresistance training.
We make sure we get our stepsin throughout the day we hit our
protein intake.
We don't do hours and hours incardio and then throughout the
(11:02):
journey we reach our goal.
We don't have to do like sixdays of training, hours and
hours of cardio, doing a bunchof burpees, cutting out alcohol,
cutting out carbs, not eatingthe foods that you want to eat,
because if you do that, guesswhat happens?
You fall off the wagon.
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Speaker 2 (11:53):
Okay, so if they're doing that three or four days,
what do they do with the otherdays?
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Focus on your business.
You've got other things to do,right.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Are those cheat days?
Are they cheating?
No?
Speaker 1 (12:05):
of course not.
Well, I'm not look, so I'm notsaying like you, just eat pizza
and donuts all day.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
That's not what I'm saying so you're saying you're
established, they getestablished on a, on a, let's
say a system or program yeahright their mindset, they're
getting that, so they know whatto do, how to follow it, and
they're pivoting and switchingyeah adding to what they've
already built.
So when they have these offdays they're not just running to
just kill the diet or just messup the work well, of course not
(12:32):
, right.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
So we teach you how to eat within certain parameters
so that, okay, you can, ifyou're going on that, on that
airplane ride, you can stillhave that little bit of alcohol
if you want to, right.
But we look, we teach you howto incorporate it into your diet
so that you're actuallytracking it.
Got you All right.
So you're not completely goingoff the rails, right, and we
focus on the minimum effectivedose, all right.
(12:55):
So what's the least amount ofwork that you need to do to see
results?
That's what we do, becausehere's the thing, right, like I
mean you yourself, you wereworking the whole day today,
right?
You don't have time to spendtwo, three hours in the gym.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
No, no, I would normally probably do like well,
what I normally do is like hour.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, like an hour Exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Hour 30, depending on the workout, and that's totally
fine.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
You got to get in and get out Like I'm like.
Even though I'm a fitness coachI come from the fitness
industry I don't want to be inthe gym the whole day.
You know what I mean.
Maybe like I used to, but nownot anymore.
I just want to do what I needto do to stay in shape, and
that's what most of my clientswant.
Either they have to travel,they have to answer a bunch of
(13:36):
text messages throughout the day, they don't have time to be
hours and hours in the gym,especially when you're running a
business at the same time so wetalked about the one percent a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
You just told me a little bit about your magic diet
.
You know that I gotta learnmore about.
Yeah, um.
So when it comes to health,right, because you know
entrepreneurship nine to five,it doesn't matter where you're
in when it comes to this healthpeople always chasing money,
right, and they want to makemore money.
(14:06):
They want to do this.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
They want to do that.
Nothing wrong with that, it'snot wrong with that but I feel
like a lot of people are.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
They're not taking health serious and not.
They're not kind of like if Iget the money they're not like,
okay, let me get their help.
Like that.
Like these things for everyoneare not the same.
That's why I agree.
The one person yes, one percentlike mother effort.
Yeah, to me is like money right, my right, right with God and
(14:35):
and you're a good person, goodhuman right.
And I feel like it's superachievable Because it's not even
necessarily like you got aclock, seven, eight, nine
figures, you can literally be on.
You can do like a quarter milli350 and be good right, exactly
so the reason why I'm asking youis this so I just came from a
mastermind it's a cryptomastermind.
So everybody in the room tryand get a bag super.
(15:00):
So everybody in the room tryingto get a bag super, bag right,
they're trying to learn how totrade and invest, but I would
say probably quarter 30% in theroom all the way in a big way in
a big way like visually right.
So why do you think people, theykind of like put that to the
side.
Come, people don't take that asserious.
What do you think it is aboutour health, where we wait to the
(15:24):
last minute, or you know,instead of going to the gym, we
just get bigger clothes.
You know, like what do youthink?
Is it a American thing?
Because when I travel todifferent countries, like like I
, I've been to France a fewtimes, yeah, you know, like I've
been to even Thailand, I'vebeen to even Canada, yeah.
(15:45):
They're just north, yeah, but Ifeel like America is just a
little bit more, you know, obese, a little bit more overweight.
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (15:52):
It's funny you bring that up because I'm actually
originally from Hong Kong, soyou so, when I was growing up,
obesity is not a commonoccurrence in society and when I
first came to the United Statesin 2016 Rob.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Markman.
Oh, you just got here RobMarkman.
Yeah, so was it that recent RobMarkman?
Welcome, welcome, man RobMarkman.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
But yeah, when I first got here I was like damn,
there's a lot of overweightpeople, rob Markman, so you
noticed it like off the bat.
Oh yeah, for sure.
And you know what was the mostinteresting observation I had
was actually one day I went toHome Depot cause I wanted to get
some supplies and I was likegoing to check out and then
there was like snacks and foodand drinks in the checkout aisle
(16:33):
.
I'm like wait, I thought thiswas a Home Depot.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Like where I'm'm from , if we like our version of home
depot, we don't have like foodin the store, you know what I
never thought about.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
That right right, yeah, impulse buys, right.
So it's like they.
The food environment, like foodis so accessible in the us.
Everywhere you go, there's avending machine, there's a snack
here, there's somewhere thatyou can buy some type of high
calorie food.
So I think that's a contributorto like why Americans are so
overweight.
But to address your otherquestion, like why is it that
(17:05):
when you start making so muchmoney or start getting so
successful that you startputting fitness on the back
burner?
I mean, it really is just amindset thing.
So a little bit about myselfand the reason why I talk so
much about mindset on my videos,on my Instagram, on my social
(17:25):
media, more than I talk aboutthe specifics, about training
and nutrition.
Because I truly believe andthis is something that I'm
really passionate about I trulybelieve that your mindset, as
cliche as that sounds, is moreimportant than the specific
technicalities of the trainingand nutrition, because fitness
is free on the internet.
You can Google how to loseweight, how to get a six pack,
how to build muscle and you'llget millions of results.
But then why are people stilloverweight?
(17:47):
So it's because of the mindset.
And to tell you a little bitabout my story.
Back in 2017, I was actually acompetitive athlete and I
suffered an injury and I didreally well.
I was like first place in mycompetition.
But then I suffered an injuryand I just kind of completely
stopped training and at the sametime, because I did really well
(18:09):
in that competition, I startedgetting a lot of social media
fame.
My business started taking off,started getting more
opportunities, and in my mind Iwas like, yeah, you know what?
Like I've already finished thiscompetition.
I already made a name formyself Like all these business
opportunities are coming,started making more money.
Why?
Why am I like training thishard?
I'm just going to relax alittle bit, all right.
(18:30):
And then I use my injury as likean excuse to like not go to the
gym.
Like I could have.
It wasn't that serious, I couldhave went back to the gym and
rehabbed it.
I knew everything that I wassupposed to do, like fitness and
exercise science that's mything, right but I couldn't get
myself to do it because I wasjust kind of like you know what?
My business is taking off, mytraining I mean, I've been there
(18:52):
, done that.
I might as well just focus onthis thing.
And I started making more moneyand then I started just
completely putting fitness onthe back burner and the biggest
thing was, throughout thatjourney, it was really, really
hard for me to get myself toadmit that I put fitness on the
(19:12):
back burner.
Oh wow.
So, that was the biggest thing,right.
So being honest with yourself,yeah, exactly.
Which is why that's core valuenumber one with biggest thing,
right.
So being honest with yourself,yeah, exactly which is why
that's core value number onewith my company, right.
Because I wasn't honest withmyself, right, I would wear
bigger shirts.
I didn't want to go outside asmuch because I was like, yeah, I
don't want to.
I was a little bit embarrassedinside but I would just kind of
(19:33):
cover it up and I wasn't justbeing 100 hundred percent honest
with myself.
And at the same time, you know,I had a newborn daughter and my
wife, and it wasn't until itwasn't until one day my wife
came up to me and she was like,damn, hagen, like what happened
to?
You used to be this superjacked and strong.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
You're not the guy.
You're not the guy.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yeah, yeah exactly, exactly and and back then I was
like who do you think you'retalking to?
I was like I was a little bitoffended at first, but then I
looked at myself in the mirror,took my shirt off and I was like
, damn, like she's right.
Yeah, I had to humble myself alittle bit and from that point
on I was like, okay, I gotta getmy shit together, I gotta do
(20:14):
something about this.
But for a lot of people likethank god, I didn't have a
something about this.
But for a lot of people likethank God, I didn't have a super
traumatic experience, right.
But for a lot of people ittakes a traumatic experience for
them to make that switch intheir mind, like their wife
divorced them or something.
They lose a significant otheror a health scare or something.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yeah, that's a fact.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Yeah, and it's not until then.
They want to take their fitnessseriously.
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I got that early.
I just remember being like sixor seven and I don't know why I
remember this specifically, butmy godmom lived across the
(21:21):
street, so I remember like shewas either walking me back
across the street or I was goingover there, but I remember like
, just looking at like myrelatives, just like it was
almost like an out of body.
I don't even know why like atsix, with this type of cognition
.
But I was like grandmaoverweight, aunt overweight.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
And they weren't like overweight.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
They were round.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
You know what I'm saying?
They weren't in shape, Sureyeah.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I was like aunt, grandma, great-grandma, uncle.
Yeah, I was like I ain't goingto be like that.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, I just knew it.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
And from then I, it just went in my brain it's not
like I was working out when Iwas six or seven it was just
like implanted in my brain.
Yeah, and because of that mywhole life is like like I'm not
gonna be fat.
Yeah, gotta work out.
Yep, eat right, you know what Imean like even if I feel like I
ate too many donuts, let's sayI ate a donut yeah and I feel
(22:14):
like I ate too many donuts.
Number water the next day.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
No donuts for a month wow, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Like, like I said, yeah, I self-audit myself and,
uh, I'm not taking things awayright, um, but you know, kind of
like what you said earlier,like you know, I'm just more
aware.
Okay, cool, I'm gonna eat this,but it's like I ain't going
crazy with it yeah but if I dogo crazy, guess what?
Speaker 1 (22:36):
I'm in the gym going you're gonna punish yourself,
yeah we can't, we can't do itright, you're gonna make up for
it 100.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
So, uh, that that's really that.
That's a big thing, the mindset, and I don't know.
Obviously I've never been tohong kong, so I don't know what
the, what the culture like there, right, but um, in america they
went.
They're not teaching like workout.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
They're not.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
There's no there's no like big push to be like okay,
american citizens, like you know, we got a health day.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
You know there used to be a workout day.
Yeah, back in the day used tobe right, even in schools.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Yeah, I remember we used to have a little something
and that.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
That's another problem.
I'm glad you brought that up,because I saw this one reel on
instagram.
It was like it was like during,like like school in the 1970s
in america or no, I think 1950sor something, like during world
war ii or something.
And just see these high schoolkids like just climbing on
monkey bars jack, likeeverybody's jacked.
It's like what, what happened?
Like why, why don't we havethat anymore?
(23:41):
You know, nowadays it's almostlike in high school, it's it's
not okay to to have pe.
I saw another post about howlike, oh, now like it's not
about winning everybody, just,you know we're all, we're all
doing this just for fun.
Here's our participation trophy.
I am totally against that, metoo.
It's like.
(24:01):
I'm glad we agree because it'sbecause competition is what
breeds excellence, doesn't makebetter exactly that's how you
get better exactly so.
So why?
Why are you taking that away?
Because you're afraid ofhurting other people's feelings?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
yeah, no life is gonna hurt your feelings every
day.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Exactly, exactly.
You know what I mean.
That's exactly my mindset andmy philosophy is that I think
recently, the past couple years,society is just cracking down
on this winning mentality.
What I want to do with mycompany and my message is to
attack that and go against that,like, hey, no, it's okay to win
(24:38):
, there's nothing wrong withwinning, there's nothing wrong
with wanting to make more money,there's nothing wrong with
wanting to be in elite shape.
But it's like, for example, Isaw a post of this girl who had
an insane body transformationand she posted on Instagram, had
a very emotional story andeverything.
And in the captions captionslike ridiculous comments.
(24:58):
It's just like oh, you're fatphobic.
Oh, it's not about the physique, why are you so self-obsessed?
I'm like this lady just had aninsane, like she changed her
life.
Can you at least like, give hersome some recognition and
applaud that?
But no, you're, you want to,you want to drag her down
because it makes you feel betterabout yourself right now and I
(25:18):
think that's so.
That's so toxic.
Then the same with making money.
Right, we're here in the, inthe business world, right, what?
What's wrong with making money?
People?
People call you greedy, peoplecall you self-obsessed.
I don't think there's anythingwrong with that, it's not wrong
with that.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to
take hagen.
We gotta take care of ourfamilies.
You know how much things cost,yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Things cost a lot.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Ubers is a lot.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
And Lyfts is a lot.
Yep.
What I noticed is this I don'tknow if you noticed this either,
but have you paid for anythingin the last month or two?
And it's like a little pop-upcome up and it's like tip or
it's like a little like Like ifyou move too fast, you're going
to get an extra $5.
Like these things are happeningall over the place.
So, people are just trying tolike they're trying to get money
from us from all over, so youhave to make money, Like the air
(26:06):
that we're breathing is inabundance.
So that means money is inabundance, wealth is in
abundance and we need thatbecause you know inflation is
rising.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Things are more expensive, you know, the average
, uh, american ways, as we justfound out, is just under 60 000,
that's not climbing, no timesoon, oh yeah, you can't buy a
house technically single personmaking 60 000 you can't, yeah,
it's not nowadays, unless you'regonna live like in the middle
america yeah, or you're gonna belike forever in debt.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Yeah right, I was just talking to this about one
of my buddies and we weretalking about how, like nowadays
I mean, making six figures islike the bare minimum if you
actually want to live like agood quality of life and like
not be in like significant debtno effect so it's like you you
either like, like, go with that,or you just become like
everybody else, and that's adecision that you have to make.
Yeah, so that's another thingthat I'm really passionate about
(26:54):
is making money.
Even though I'm a fitness coach, I am running my own business,
but I'm not afraid to admit thatI want to run my business.
I want to scale my business andbe very, very successful.
It's funny, I can actually tellyou a story about that.
I'm not afraid to admit that Iwant to make money and I want to
(27:16):
be successful.
But it's Nowadays in society,if you talk about that kind of
stuff, people call you greedy,people call you hey, you're
being narcissistic.
It's vanity to want that right.
I met another person at anothernetworking event and, mind you,
this dude's super successful.
(27:37):
Like money's not an issue, he'srunning a seven-figure business
and he rented a car when he waslocal and he made a social
media post.
And he rented a car when he waslike local and he made a social
media post and he was like,yeah, I wanted to rent this car
and we just got the cheapest car, because I don't tie my
identity to the car, it's notabout the flashy car like other
business owners, entrepreneurs,are gonna come in with their
(27:58):
rolls royce, bentley, whatever.
For me, it's not about that andin my mind I was like, okay,
like I understand your point,like I know where you're coming
from, but at the same time, I'mlike the fact that you had to go
out of your way on social mediato post about that it shows
that, like there's a little bitof conflict in your mind, as in
(28:21):
like, like you could have justrented that car and not said
anything about it, but you hadto.
You had to prove to societybecause you want to be validated
and you want people to look atyou and be like, oh, you're so
much better, you're so much morevirtuous than everybody else,
because you didn't want to getthat nicer car, but like, like,
what's wrong with that?
Like I, I, I'm not afraid toadmit that I want a nicer car.
(28:43):
Yeah, I'm not afraid to admitthat I want a nicer car.
I'm not afraid to admit that Iwant to be that, get to that
next level.
And I think a lot of peoplewrestle with that, not only in
their finances and I know we'retalking about cars, but this is
analogous to fitness as wellLike people are just afraid to
admit that, hey, I want to be inthat elite level physique, I
want a six-pack, I want to bejacked, I want to have big
(29:03):
muscles.
But people, people strugglewith that conflict in their mind
.
They're not congruent withtheir thoughts and their beliefs
and which is why they're stuckin life.
And one of my buddies, kyle.
He's in the insurance industryand he recently bought a bmw
brand new 2024 m340i.
And prior to him buying the BMW, he had some shitty Honda HRV
(29:28):
and I kept shitting on him likebro, dude, your car sucks.
You're out here on social media.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
You need friends like this Dude for real.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I'm telling you like, dude, you're out here on social
media, you're marketingyourself as this person who's
helping out rich people managetheir money and their finances
and and life insurance, andyou're rocking around this
shitty-ass car Like, okay, yeah,it's not everything about the
car, but it's going to help yourmarketing, it's going to help
your persona, it's going to helpyour brand, you can afford it.
But he kept telling me oh no,my identity isn't tied around
(29:56):
the car, I can delay mygratification.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
But his customer's identity wrapped around the car.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Right, everybody judges the book by its cover.
You can't deny that right.
And then let me tell you this Ifinally convinced him to get a
new car, that BMW, right.
As soon as he got it, hisentire identity changed.
I was right.
The entire time he was in lovewith the car.
He was like oh my God, hagen, Ilove this BMW.
You got to come try it out,dude, check out features, maxed
(30:27):
out features.
You see what I'm saying?
His whole energy and frequencyand things I had to get him to
overcome that, that conflict inhis mind, that incongruency.
Then, once he overcame that,his identity changed, moving
forward.
Now that he upgraded his car toa BMW, that's his new standard.
Yeah, of course, who knows whatelse he's going to get next?
That's his new bottom Right,Exactly, exactly so.
So a lot of people I meansegwaying this to fitness,
(30:49):
because that's what I do, right.
A lot of people, they'll saythings like ah, I just want to
be healthy, I just want to dothis for my family, for my kids,
which are all valid reasons todo fitness, right.
But if you could just admitthat, no, I'm not just doing
this to be quote-unquote healthy, which is just a generic term.
(31:09):
I'm doing this because I wantto walk around in that 1% shape.
I want to be absolutelyshredded and jacked so that when
I walk into a room peoplerespect me and they can see and
look at me.
Damn, I respect that guybecause I know that he put a lot
of hard work and sacrifice toachieve that physique.
You see what I'm going with withthis yeah if you make over 120k
a year, I will get youabsolutely shredded in less than
(31:32):
16 weeks.
And this is not some bs fitnessprogram that you get from some
broke bodybuilder who has noidea the demands of your high
performing lifestyle.
Look, I'm running a six-figurebusiness myself.
I'm a husband and a father, soI understand the demands of your
high performing lifestyle.
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I'm a husband and a father, soI understand the demands of your
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So if you're sick of trying allthese fad diets, all these
(31:53):
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Speaker 2 (32:08):
So we got a couple questions for you, right?
Obviously, I go to the gym.
You know, every day, every day,different gyms, yeah, yeah,
different cities.
Sometimes I want to travel andI noticed that you know just
people in the gym they'rewearing less and less clothes.
(32:29):
Men and women, they're wearingless and less clothes.
Yeah, how do you feel aboutthat?
Just in terms of just like, andthey could be going hard in the
gym.
I'm not saying they're notgoing hard in the gym, in the
gym.
I'm not saying they're not goinghard in the gym, yeah, but you
think that, like just beingsomeone who's in the industry,
yeah, that actually trains.
Yeah, what, what?
What is your opinion on on onthe?
On the current, like with likefemales.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah, I mean honestly like, yeah, some of the things
I see women wearing the gym arelike way too revealing, but at
the end of the day, it's likeyou do, you, I don't really care
.
Yeah, you know, I saw a funnyreel of how these women fitness
influencers are filmingthemselves and they think that
everybody's looking at them.
(33:12):
Nobody's looking at them.
I mean, I'll tell you this man,me personally I don't really go
to commercial gyms anymore.
I train in a really particularway for my sport, so I go to one
of those hardcore gyms, so Idon't really see any of that.
But every now and then, yeah,I'll go to a commercial gym and
I'll see exactly what you'retalking about.
I mean, the girls are almostnaked and I don't think that's
(33:35):
right, because if you don't wantthe attention, then why are you
dressed like that?
You know what I mean, that'swhat I'll say with that.
For then, why are you dressedlike that?
You know what I mean, that'swhat I'll say with that For guys
?
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I mean, I don't really notice guys wearing less
and less In LA, bro, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Really.
Yeah, maybe it's the LA thing.
Yeah, I don't really go thatpart of town.
It's kind of crazy in the gym.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, what about, okay, women in the gym.
What about how men approachwomen in the gym?
I mean, you go to differentgyms but ever in commercial gyms
you ever notice how men andwomen interact in those settings
?
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yeah, I'll see it, but when I'm in the gym I'm like
you locked in.
I'm headphones in, I don't talkto anybody.
I don't care.
If you want to use thisequipment, head nod, I got it.
I'm not going to take off myearphones because I have no time
to waste.
As soon as I'm done here, I'mback on my grind working on my
business.
So like, yeah what about?
Speaker 2 (34:32):
um?
Uh, fitness influences right.
So yeah, uh, are you familiarwith um?
Uh, like broly games, youfamiliar, you know broly games
is um.
What about?
What's the guy's name?
Kenny Coe.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Not familiar.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
So Broly he's in Brooklyn.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
He vegan, but his thing's calisthenics.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
So he goes crazy with calisthenics Kenny.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
He's a fitness influencer.
He did a couple of competitions, but this whole thing is
basically just like gym culture.
So he has like realconversations, so like if people
were doing like you knowwhether they're natty or not
natty, you know what I mean ifthey may need like physical
modifications, it's like cause.
I think one of the things thathe's contributing to that I
(35:23):
think I appreciate is thatthere's not a lot of
conversations in gym culture.
Like I'll go to the gym and I'lltalk to people about what's
going on.
Maybe I might see the sameperson all the time, so you have
that type of camaraderie.
But we're not really talkingabout like what are you doing?
Like what are you eating, like,what's your mindset, like you
(35:44):
know what has helped you stayconsistent.
There's no real conversations,I think.
So I really like how thathappened.
But, as a trainer, are youhaving these real conversations
with your clients and I guesslike figuring out what they got
going on in their life?
Yeah, for sure To remove someblocks so that that helps them
perform better in the gym andget them to other levels yeah,
(36:06):
absolutely, it's like I saidearlier.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Right, I talk way more about mindset and and
belief and getting that internaldesire out of you instead of
the specifics of the trainingand nutrition.
That stuff is easy.
That stuff is easy.
You can, you can google thatstuff on youtube.
You can spend a whole day doingresearch and you'll know
exactly what to do, right.
But but most people, they don'twant to spend all that time,
(36:30):
which is why they spend money tohire a coach and then we
expedite that process, right?
But yeah, the conversations Ihave with my clients a lot of
times is just asking them like,like, hey, like, why are you
doing this?
What's, what's the real reasonthat you're doing this fitness
thing?
Yeah, right, and they'll say,oh, yeah, I just, you know, want
to lose 30, 40, 50 pounds, butit's, it's, it's not just about
(36:53):
the weight loss, like, it's,it's beyond the weight loss,
right, but but people say thatbecause that that's what they
think that they want, becausethey're overweight.
But, yeah, once you lose theweight, then what happens?
Right, you're still, you'restill mediocre.
Yeah, you're still soft andflabby.
Right, you don't have thatmuscle definition that you want.
(37:15):
So your, your real fitnessjourney, quote-unquote starts
like if you're overweight.
After you lose that weight andthen after you lose all that
body fat, we get to see whatyou're really made of.
We get to see, like, okay,because sometimes I'll get these
people who used to be likeathletes back in the day.
I train a lot of older people.
(37:36):
They used to be like athletesback in the day.
They shred all that fat off and, okay, they got some muscle
definition in there.
But some people've like neverdone anything remotely
physically active in their lifeand you shred all that fat off
and then, like, they're justsoft and just mediocre.
And then I tell them like, likehey, like good job, you lost
the weight.
Like I'm not saying that's abad thing, but I don't.
(37:57):
I don't celebrate that as muchas what other fitness coaches.
What other fitness coaches saybecause that's why I think I get
a lot of hate in the fitnesscommunity is because, like, like
, other fitness coaches will belike, oh, congratulations, you
lost 20 pounds, you lost 30pounds, all right, so what you
like?
Speaker 2 (38:12):
you look, you look the same.
You lost the weight, yeah, yeahyeah, good job.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Okay, now we gotta build your physique up.
It's time to do work, yeah,yeah.
So now that your journey startsI don't give a shit about just
weight loss Like I'll applaudyou for it.
Good job.
You're very disciplined and youfollowed what I told you to do.
But what's the next step?
Okay, the next step is to buildthat elite level physique.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
I think everybody needs a Hagan, bro.
You know what I'm saying.
You hold people accountable,exactly 100%.
Yeah, what about food, bro?
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yep, I'm vegan.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
I hear a lot of shit oh you're vegan.
I'm vegan.
I hear a lot of shit for beingvegan, you know.
So what about being vegan?
What about people that just youknow these carnivore diets?
What about you know what I mean?
Like, what's your opinion onthis food?
Man and I did my blood.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
So the interesting thing about this is I went vegan
because I had some really badeggs one time.
This is back in la 2020, okay,and I was already awesome, like
I've always been all I alwayswant to evolve my diet, but I
wasn't like aggressive with it,I just kind of let things come.
So I had this meal that wouldalways I would normally get, but
it just didn't serve me right,that's it no more chicken, no
(39:16):
more dairy.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
I just want to be really four years really, so it
was like an emotional thing, wow.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
but I didn't do it based off of like blood, dna,
nothing.
I just did it based off offeelings.
So recently I went and got myfull blood panel Because I'm
like you know what, I'm going tosee what's going on with the
blood and if my blood says thatI should have some of this and
some of that.
I'm going to change my diet.
I'm willing to.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
You know what?
Speaker 2 (39:38):
I mean, yeah, they're like yo, you're good.
Like they're like you know youcan increase your, you know,
your iron intake a little bit,but they was like.
Aside from that, they was likeyo, you're good.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
So I was like damn.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
I guess I'm going to just stay vegan.
So what's your take on?
And I know probably everybody'sbody is different, and you?
Speaker 1 (39:55):
know Right.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but what's your take on like
carnivore, hardcore carniv, morediets and then vegan diets yeah
, I mean, I'll be 100 honestwith you, man.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
I'm not, um, a fan of , like vegan diets or
plant-based diets, but at thesame time, I understand that it
works for some people.
You know, like it's not.
Like, at the end of the day,all you need, like what do
people with plant-based dietsI'm not a proponent of?
I have a couple clients thatare plant-based but like that's
a very, very small percentage.
(40:24):
I'm a huge fan of red.
I have a couple of clients thatare plant-based but like that's
a very, very small percentage.
I'm a huge fan of red meat andeverything.
But at the end of the day, like,what do you need to supplement?
Okay, like you said, the iron,the vitamin B12s and stuff like
that.
As long as you check the boxes,I mean you're good, but then
it's like your lifestyle, likeare you going to supplement all
these things?
And like what if you're out andabout and there's not like a
vegan store or something?
(40:45):
Just, you know it's like it'snot, like it's?
It's not impossible, but it'sjust it's more of an uphill
battle.
Yeah, so if you're disciplinedenough and it works for you, go
for it, right.
But as for the, as far as theseother diets.
I'm, I'm not, I'm not a fan offad diets.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
You know what, you know what fad diets are right,
like yeah, all meats fad dietyeah, like you, it's like people
do these things they're waitingfor the new, the latest and the
greatest.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Yeah what was that?
I feel like people when it comesto diet they're waiting for
that latest and yeah yeah, yeah,it's the same thing with what I
was talking about with the 75day hard and the six week
challenges.
It's like, oh, this is the newthing that will get me.
It's not like, because what'sgoing to happen is, you're going
to do it and it's superrestrictive to some extent, you
might see some results, youmight not, but then after that,
(41:29):
what are you going to do?
Are you like, if you're notgoing to do that for the rest of
your life, what's the point ofdoing this?
Because fitness is a lifelongthing.
It's not something that youjust complete for one time and
then, oh, good job.
Like no, it takes way longerthan that no, that's the fact,
right?
so, yeah, I'm not a fan of theseweird different diets.
I'm a fan of of just teachingyou like okay, what are you
currently eating right now?
We'll optimize that.
(41:50):
And then, how can we make thissustainable for the long term?
Right, because it doesn't take16 weeks.
It takes like years to get inthat elite level shape yeah, all
right.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
So before we wrap up, man and and I want you to let
them know how they can work withyou, but before we even talk
about that if someone's broke,they don't have the money to
invest to work with you let'sjust say yeah, let's say they're
confined by their travel.
Like they don't, let's say theydon't got a car whatever they
(42:20):
just got their environment.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Right.
So they don't got no money,they just have their immediate
environment.
What could they do if they wantto get serious about changing
their physique?
Is there anything they can dowith no money and just where
they're at right?
Speaker 1 (42:33):
now go on youtube.
Fitness is free on the internet, right.
So what?
What I do is?
I mean, I don't work withanybody who, who, um, doesn't
make more than 120 K a year.
That's like a.
There's like a financialrequirement to join the program.
But if you can't, then just goon YouTube.
Fitness is free, right.
There's no reason why you can'tGoogle stuff and do it on your
(42:55):
own.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
I like that.
Yo listen, you got to make sixfigures to work.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
So, uh, if you know any six figurefigure
entrepreneurs share this podcast.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
That's right the people I work with.
They have no time to waste,they just want to pay it.
And they're they.
They meet the financialrequirement and they're ready to
start immediately becausethey're so sick of being stuck
where they are right now, tryingall these different diets,
trying all these differentprograms and challenges, and you
still look in the mirror andyou still look mediocre and
you're not proud of who you are.
(43:23):
So that's the people that I'mtalking to.
They're ready to move forwardand they have the funds to
invest and they don't have anytime to waste.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
This has been dope bro, Absolutely.
Let people know where they cango to work with you If they're
making at least $125,.
They get their mind right,their body right and just change
and become a one percent forsure.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Where?
they where they need to go I'mmost active on instagram, so my
instagram tag is hagen,underscore sl.
So that'll be h-a-g-e-nunderscore sl.
You shoot me a dm.
Either me or one of my teammembers will respond to you and
then we can jump on a call,consultation call, and I'm also
on YouTube.
Just look at my name, hagenWong.
(44:08):
You'll find videos of metraining in the past in my
competitions and stuff like that.
I'm also starting to do like aweekly podcast series where I
just talk about stuff.
Yeah, exactly, but yeah, I'mmostly on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
So if you guys need help with anything or you guys
interested in getting started,just shoot me a DM there.
So listen, we'll make sure.
Hagen's links is below forInstagram and YouTube.
Do you have any free resources,books or anything for them to
get?
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Yep, If you go ahead and click the link in my bio on
Instagram, there's a freetraining right there for you.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Yeah we'll put it below to make it easy.
Make sure y'all stay on theplatform, get all this
information.
Um so listen, it's been anotherepisode of the honorable suit
podcast.
That's hagan wong, and he wantsto make you a one percent like
the best in your life, so makesure you tap in and share this
podcast out with a couple people, especially if you know there's
some people that you want tohave an impression on and have
their lives changed.
Thanks a lot for checking itout, peace.
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