Turning Incarceration into Inspiration Mo Nelson's Story

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Nah, man, really wasn't any option.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
The only option was me going to prison, so do you
feel like not having no more inyour life contributed to you
doing other things or not at all.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Most definitely man.
A male presence is veryimportant in the household
because if my dad would havebeen in my life in that
household, I know for a fact Iwouldn't have done what I've
done to get in prison.
Was it hard for you to?

Speaker 2 (00:27):
do or did you accept responsibility and be
accountable off the rip?
Did you like know it was wrong?
It was like all right, cool, Iforgive myself, I'm moving on,
or was that?

Speaker 1 (00:37):
a little struggle in the mind.
I'm not going to say it waseasy, because it was still hard
for me to forgive myself forparticipating in someone losing
their life man, and an innocentman at that.
It was very daunting and itplayed on my psyche, man.
But I had to level up and as Ibecame more aware of myself I
had to forgive myself.
I didn't intentionally do thator participate in that affair

(01:02):
knowing that that was going totranspire.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
What's up y'all?
Welcome to another episode ofthe Honor Pursuit Podcast.
We connect with six, seven,eight-figure entrepreneurs.
Today is an interesting one.
I'm excited to have thisconversation with this
entrepreneur.
You guys are going to learn alot from this episode.
Specifically, If you've everbeen detained, incarcerated or
locked up, trust me, you do notwant to miss this episode.
I spent a little bit of timebehind bars, but not like this
guy.
You know what I'm saying, MoNelson.

(01:38):
Welcome to the podcast, bro, MoNelson.
1.
Thanks for having me.
Brendan Brandon 1.
Yeah, man, so I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't even know if theaudience knew I got locked for a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
I didn't know that, I just got here today.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
So check this out, bro.
I got locked up over a parkingticket Really yeah, so probably
2012.
I was in New York, got aparking ticket, didn't pay it,
forgot about it Two years laterback in New York and I know

(02:10):
other cities probably have it,but New York got these, like
they be having these curatedtraffic stops where it's like if
you go down the wrong street ona certain day, you have to like
they're going to check your car.
They're going to see who'sdriving, see what's going on.
So I ended up doing that andyou know, unbeknownst to me, I
had a warrant in the state ofNew York.

(02:32):
So what I think is a waste ofresources to lock me up, you
know, keep me in there, pull meout in the morning, waste my
time, waste the tax, thetaxpayers money in New York when
it's a parking ticket, whycan't they just have a little
square situation terminal whereI can just pay what I owe, add

(02:54):
some fees on to keep it moving?
So waste the resources, wastethe cop's time, waste my time.
When it's a parking ticketsituation, I should just be able
to pay.
You know what I mean.
But that's just how the systemis designed.
You, on the other hand, youspent some time locked up, and

(03:14):
since you were younger, sinceyou was a kid how old were you?
I was?

Speaker 1 (03:17):
16 when I first got in college.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
So 16 years old.
At 16 years old me, mygrandmother had just passed and
I remember like going into mylast year of high school, but
you had a different experience.
So how'd you end up gettinglocked at 16?
And then was it a situationwhere they were going to send

(03:41):
you or did you have anopportunity to not spend time?
Like what was that judgment?
Like what was it time behindbars?

Speaker 1 (03:46):
like nah, man, uh, really wasn't any options.
The option, the only option,was me going to prison.
When I was 16 years old, I madea piss-poor decision Got with
the wrong crowd, allowed thatcrowd to influence me to do
something that was totallyoutside my character.
We got, but I got involved.
I got myself involved in arobbery and Unfortunately that

(04:06):
robbery culminated to a homicide.
And in Florida, even though Inever killed nobody there in my
life, my co-defendant did.
And in Florida they havesomething called felony murder,
meaning if me and you are on thecommission of a crime, we both
are responsible for each other'sactions.
So whatever affair you commit,I commit, even if I didn't
physically do it.
So that was the case with me.

(04:27):
So to everybody all my young isout there, listen, man, watch
the company you keep.
Be careful.
We hang around, man, when yougo out party and whatever the
case may be.
Because when you go out, man,if your friend is on some
bullshit, you can't control hisactions, but it's a can't
control his actions, but it's agreat chance that his actions

(04:47):
can affect you in a major way,even if you had nothing to do
with it.
So just keep that under yourhat.
For real.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
I learned the hard way, so do you still have a
relationship with that person?

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Nah, nah, man, he has a life sentence.
He reached out a few times butit was weird because he felt
like I owed him for some reasonBecause I got out earlier and
he's in there with a lifesentence.
But I changed my number on him.
I tried to help him, send him alittle money.
One point in time I did forgivehim because he was 17 as well.
But you know, he startedfeeling entitled and I'm like

(05:22):
bro, I don't owe you anything.
Bro, if anything you owe me,you put my life in jeopardy,
even though it was my choice toaccompany you, I didn't.
I was, I was oblivious to anyanything happening like that.
As far as a homicide therobbery I take full
responsibility.
I was aware that we're going togo rob.
If the person had a milliondollars, I was going to get my

(05:42):
quarter million, but thehomicide portion.
I had nothing to do with thatand that's how green I was.
But now, as a grown man,enlightened, when you're
indulging in a robbery, thingslike that can take place, can
happen.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
So take me back real quick.
Right, because you're usingsome really interesting
adjectives.
Right, you're talking aboutindulging in a robbery, so to me
, that makes it sound like itwas something attractive to do
at the time.
So why?

(06:20):
Because you're a podcast.
You haven't figured out how tomonetize.
Maybe you're someone that usedto be like me, where I didn't
really have anyone that can holdme accountable, nor did I have
a group that I felt comfortableabout.
You know what?
This is my tribe.
I can grow.
Well, listen, we put thattogether Podcast school.
I'm teaching you guysmonetization secrets,
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(06:46):
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If you can recall, what was themindset like being that young
and participating in somethinglike that?
Was there like a rush ofemotions?
Was it, you know, a level oftestosterone running through you
, like yo we about to come uplike?
What was that feeling like?
And what you know?
If you can recall, what wereyou anticipating of testosterone
running through you like yo weabout to come up?

(07:06):
What was that feeling like?
If you can recall, what wereyou anticipating was?

Speaker 1 (07:09):
going to be the result of that?
All of the above, bro.
Numerous things Emotions,having the anticipation that I
was going to come up on sometype of material game by getting
some extra money, etc.
Then also the clout aspectmaking a name for myself in the
streets, because growing up inhigh school I was known as the

(07:30):
class clown, fresh, cool guy.
But having that, that, um, Iwant to say that street cred,
that stamp, yeah that stamp likeyeah you know what I'm saying
more get down, more participateif he has to, and um, just some
multiple other things.
But those are the two keyfactors and I look back in
retrospect I'm like, wow, howlost I was because, at the end

(07:54):
of the day, trying to impresspeople that really don't give a
damn about you and in my eragrowing up it was it was it's
kind of ironic because thepretty women, the women that
were popular, the had clout,they liked the bad boys, they
liked the guys.
Yeah, the name in the street.
So I kind of wanted that, Ikind of got influenced to want
that and I just made a piss poordecision in participating in

(08:16):
something I had no businessparticipating in and I wore it.
It was, it was, it wasdefinitely severe ramifications,
man.
And then the emotional aspect,like I say, the urge.
You know the adrenaline, thetestosterone, and you know I'm
16.
I feel like I'm a man, but I'mreally not.
I still have an infantile mind,still very immature, but you

(08:37):
can't tell me that.
So yeah, man, that's just whatit was, bro.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
So what about your mom and your dad?
Were they in your life likethat?

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yeah, so my mom.
I was raised in a single-parenthousehold.
My mom was an excellent mother.
Nobody's perfect, but she didthe best she could.
She always taught me topronunciate and enunciate my
words correctly, alwaysencouraged me to read.
She worked three jobs on pointof time in her life.
She just always tried to keepme away from poverty, from

(09:08):
certain influences, but me, man,it's like I found adrenaline
being around the bullshit, bro.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
So let me ask you this Was your dad ever in your
life?
My?

Speaker 1 (09:19):
dad.
I officially started building arapport with my dad at the age
of 13.
Okay, but prior to that, no, hehad no influence whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
So do you feel like not having him more in your life
contributed to you doing otherthings, or not at all?

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Most definitely man.
A male presence is veryimportant in the household.
A male presence is veryimportant in the household
because if my dad would havebeen in my life, in that
household, I know for a fact Iwouldn't have done what I've
done to get in prison because,for instance, my mom telling me,
hey, don't do that, don't gooutside.
It's moms.

(09:59):
I'm 16, I started smellingmyself.
I know my mom can't physicallyrestrain me, not even if she
tried her hardest, as opposed tomy dad having the brute
strength, the strength of a male.
Hey, son, you ain't going out,and if I tested him, he going to
chastise me and show me who'sthe real boss.
And then I humble down as a sonshould.

(10:20):
That right there is paramount,and that's why it's important
for us, as men, to be there forour children.
Man, be the leader in the headof the household, be the
enforcer, yet the nurturer aswell.
Man, because daughters and thesons, they need the dads.
They need both for the parents,but especially the dads.
Man, we are very imperative tothe household.

(10:42):
Man, if I would have had my dadthere, things would have been
different.
However, I don't make that asan excuse, though, because at
the time, even though I was 16,I was young I still knew I
couldn't get a key to the cityfor what I did.
I knew it was not something mymom would be proud of.
I knew it was something wrong,but I still made that choice and
fluence about my emotions ofgratification at that time that

(11:07):
led me to get myself intotrouble, that I got myself into
man.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
That's.
That's.
That's deep, because now youhave a lot of self-awareness.
Most definitely you know whatI'm saying.
So take me back to when you wasin prison.
What did you feel like when itwas like giving you that
sentence and you know you had to.
All right, my next transitionfrom I'm going to be locked up.
So what did that feel likeknowing, okay, cool, you're

(11:33):
sentenced to whatever yoursentence was and you're going to
prison.
Wow.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Well, at first my life hung in a balance.
I really didn't know what toexpect, bro, I'm being honest.
Some people was telling me I'mgoing to get out because I
actually didn't kill the person.
Some people were saying I wasgoing to get a life sentence
because I participated insomebody losing their life.
So initially it was just a veryconvoluted situation.
But I knew that eventually Iwas going to go to prison and I

(12:02):
was very scared going to go toprison and I was very scared.
But the thing that I planted inmy head that, hey, even at a
young age, I know I'm going toprison, but how can I make
prison an advantageous situationfor myself?
How can I transition a negativeinto a positive?
And that was even before I wentto prison, because I had people

(12:24):
probably going to prison inthere saying, hey, prison has
opportunity.
Prison is actually better thanthe county.
You got more freedom, you cando this, you can do that.
As opposed to the county man.
It's very restrictive, Limitedfreedoms and it's just very
stagnant.
And I actually was excited atone point in time of going to
prison because I was just readyto get it over with man.

(12:45):
I spent two years in a countyjail.
All right, hold on real quick,bro yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
So you had two years in the county.
We'll talk about that in asecond.
But you had two years in thecounty and then, once you got
the word that you was going togo in prison, you was excited,
you felt positive about thatopportunity and it's because you
felt like where you were kindof told that there was more

(13:11):
opportunity, yeah, moreopportunity to grow.
So what was County like?

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Oh, man County was very depressing A lot of
violence, a lot of up and down,don't know what to expect.
Consistent court dates, youbeing close to home, so the
stress from the family is verystrong.
And yeah, it was pretty.

(13:38):
It was just food horrendoussmall portions, very mundane,
just bored just bored how younavigate that honestly, man,
same way I kind of did, did ordid prison man reading when I
when I, for the record, I'm anadvocate of reading, that is

(14:02):
what what saved my life, brother.
But prior to me gettingincarcerated, I never read a
book front to back by myself,unless it was in a class group
setting.
And I regret that.
I wish I would have done morereading prior to going to prison
because it probably would havesaved my life too, outside of me

(14:23):
, not having a father Reading,because reading it gives you
options, it gives you a freshperspective.
It just puts yourself in astate of mind that's like
limitless Mental calisthenicsbro.
Mental calisthenics.
You know what I'm saying.
Same thing with the read 100%.
So the first book I actuallyread, by myself, front to back,
was George Washington Carver,the Peanut man Word.

(14:45):
Yeah, man.
I loved it, man, seeing how abrother of Melanin created
products, multiple products,from a single peanut bro, yeah,
and that was just amazing.
I'm like, wow, man, you can doanything you put your mind to.
And how I felt was soexhilarating, accomplished.

(15:05):
It boosted my self-esteem andit was like I was on a high bro.
I was addicted to reading, I wasaddicted to growing and I
traveled the world through thebooks.
I've been to so many placesaround the world, brother Africa
, europe, asia, been to space,been to the heavens.
I've been everywhere throughreading.

(15:26):
Man, that's why I stress man,reading is very paramount man.
If you read, I guarantee youwithout a shadow of a doubt, you
will enhance as a human being.
It's inevitable man.
Reading is fundamental.
I know it's cliche, but what ithas done to my life is very
rewarding.
I wouldn't be the guy I amtoday without, you know,

(15:49):
perpetual reading in my regimen.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
So yeah, so now that transition from the county to
prison, how is prison different?
And then, what opportunitieswere in prison that weren't
present in county?

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Well, so in prison you got trades, you got certain
trades.
You got certain trades.
You got certain vocationaltraining you can participate in.
That helps you develop sometype of skill that you can take
with you upon your release.
As opposed to the county jail,they really don't offer anything
but a GED.
And I was fortunate to get myGED because at the time I was 16

(16:24):
, I was trying to get myofficial high school diploma
with my school name as a titleas a boarder.
But unfortunately I was soon toturn 18 and I didn't have
enough time to be able to getthat.
So my teacher at the time sheadvised me to just go ahead and
get the GED.
She said listen, ged isequivalent to a high school

(16:46):
diploma.
The only thing about it is it'sgoing to say high school
diploma as opposed to thespecific school that you
participated, but it's going tosay high school diploma, it'll
carry the same weight.
Because she also said if I waitand I turn 18, I can still get
my GED.
But the county jail doesn'tfavor adults.
They really don't care.
Once you turn adult, bro, theyreally don't care.

(17:08):
By me being a minor at the time, they foster that they want you
to get education.
They want to make a better wayfor you, so take advantage of
the caring and nurturing thatthe county jail would provide by
me being a lesson.
So I took advantage of it.
I did what she said.
I took advantage of it.
I got my GED in like fivemonths and I felt amazing.

(17:29):
I was 17.
To know I was done with schoolwhile everybody else was still
struggling with graduation andif they were going to fail in
GPA scores, I was done and Ifelt great man.
And that propelled me to goeven further.
I felt very accomplished.
You know telling my mom, eventhough I was in the county
facing some hefty charges, I wasstill accomplishing things

(17:51):
while incarcerated, so that wasvery rewarding.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
That's a big thing just for, like the human psyche
right, accomplishing stuff.
So even if you you know youwere talking about the reading
like reading a book front toback is an accomplishment,
you're going to feel anendorphin rush from that.
You're going to feel good aboutthat.
So being locked up and beingable to get that GED, like you
said, that's something thateveryone in prison ain't getting
Right and that's something thateven people on the outside some

(18:16):
of them don't even graduatefrom high school.
So I can understand, especiallybeing in a situation where you
know you're restricted, you knowat from from a good portion of
things that you can't do right,but having that ability to do
that, I know that felt like yousaid.
It felt it felt amazing youknow what I mean.
So yeah, it was definitely afterthat, and you're in prison now.
Like what are some like?

(18:38):
Like, like, walk us throughwhat the day is like.
What a week's like you knowwhat, what, what, the what, what
was it like navigating?
What a week's like you knowwhat, what, what, what, what was
it like navigating that spaceand um, from opening, opening up
your eyes in the morning toclosing them at night, what,
what does the day look like?

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Well, for me it was a .
It was a blessing.
I approached it as a, as auniversity school.
You know, you wake up early,hold on, hold on.
You approached prison likeuniversity.
Yeah, bro, I approach it likeuniversity.
Bro, that was my school.
It's an institution.
What is the school?
College, an institution, factsit's an institution.

(19:13):
So I approached it as such andbefore I elaborate, what gave me
motivation was my brother,malcolm x man.
I read the autobiography ofmalcolm x three times and to see
how he transitioned a negativeinto a positive inspired me to
approach my situation similar tohow he approached his.
So you know, to wake up early,wake up 5 am for breakfast, do

(19:34):
that Take about a whole hour anda half, maybe two hours for
that session.
Go back to the dormitory.
I use that time to meditate,you know, because, like a gray
area before they call work, call, work, call is a time
designated for you to get readyto go on your job, because you
do work in prison.
It's not, like I know, foranybody that thinks, don't get

(19:54):
caught up in the media visual ofprison like you're just sitting
in a cell all day.
That's confinement, but prisonin general population, it's like
the free world a little bit.
You do have responsibility, youdo have a job, you have lunch,
you have duties andresponsibilities that you are
responsible for fulfilling andstuff like that.
So I treated it as such and Ihad a job.

(20:18):
I had jobs where I worked inthe kitchen, inside grounds,
numerous jobs, man, and thatkept me busy and initially I had
a disdain for it.
I'm like man, hell, I'm workingin prison.
I'm in prison, but I didn'tunderstand the concept getting
you prepped for the real world,because the real world you have

(20:39):
to work.
So the prison if you approachedit and appreciated the
structure, it could behoove youin a major way, and that's what
I did.
I took advantage, instead ofthe time doing me, I did the
time.
I met one of my great mentors,one of the most brilliant minds
I ever encountered in my life inprison man.

(21:01):
His name was Osiris, cat, fromMiami.
He had a life sentence.
At the time I met him, he waslike on his like 26th year of
his bid and he was in his early40s I was 18.
And he said Moe, never let.
I mean he told me, don't beconsumed by the fire, but
purified by the fire.
I'm like man, osiris.
What you talking about, man,because he's always throw these
riddles and he told me don't beconsumed by the fire, but

(21:23):
purified by the fire.
I'm like man, what's.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Cyrus.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
What are you talking about?
Man?
Because he's always throw theseriddles and stuff.
And he said, mo, the fire isthe environment prison.
Now you have a piece of paperand you have a chunk of gold.
If you get a piece of paper andyou crumble it and you throw it
in that brush of fire, what'sgoing to happen?
It's going to get consumed.
It's going to disintegrate.

(21:49):
Now you take that dirty gold,nugget, raw gold, and you throw
it in that same fire.
What's going to happen?
It's going to get purified.
It's going to get cleansed,shiny of value and ready to be
purchased in the jewelry store.
What I took from it is useenvironment prison as a way to

(22:11):
enhance you to an elite humanbeing.
100.
So when you get out, you'll bea value.
People will pay you for yourtime, for your skills, for your
presence.
And I took that around with it,brother.
So, as opposed to being consumed, getting in the gang activity,

(22:34):
getting the little nuances ofprison, prison politics, wasting
my time just indulging thethings I handle, business and
business indulging in, I stayedaway.
No business indulging in, Istayed away from that.
I stayed away from that becausehis words, his quote, always
stuck with me and I was gettingoff course.
That philosophy would alwaysgive me course correction.

(22:56):
And I was just trailblazing,bro.
I said, because this is how Ifelt, brandon man, I'm going to
be honest and we can go on andon with this man I felt tried by
the system.
I didn't feel that I deserved a15-year sentence, but I did
deserve to go to prison and I'mglad I went to prison, because
prison for me was a beautifulexperience but I didn't deserve
a 15-year sentence.

(23:16):
So I was mad, I had a disdaintowards that.
But what I learned how tochannel my emotions this is
something I learned and nurturedin prison how to channel the
emotions in a positive,constructive manner.
So I said because I rememberthe judge, he told me and he

(23:37):
smirked, he kind of like smirkedand laughed with it oh, you got
a second chance, nelson, behappy.
And I'm like, hey, I got asecond chance, nelson, be happy.
And I'm like, hey, I got asecond chance.
Bro, you just sentenced me toone year less than when I lived
on the street.
How do you know?
I got a second chance.
But then when I went up thereand I seen the whole dynamics of
prison and I'm seeing thatthere's so many people that have

(23:59):
more time than I have that havelesser charges than I had
Because, remember, I got ahomicide.
Now, even though I didn'tcommit it, I still had it on my
record.
So I was like I'm going tochannel this energy.
The system got me messed up,even though the system ain't
placing me in prison.
I placed myself in there by mydecision making, but I had to

(24:23):
blame it on something outside ofmyself.
I had to get mad at something.
I had to channel it onsomething outside of myself.
I had to get mad at something,had to channel it.
Hmm, so I said you know what?
I'm gonna become?
A beast.
I learned a second language.
I learned how to speak andbecome a leader.
I can't learn to trade.
I develop intangibles, skillsthat will make me a valuable

(24:45):
figure.
So upon my release, it was goingto be hard for somebody to tell
me no, because I knew I had toget out and start with a job.
That's the initial step andthat's why I went hard.
I went hard on bettering myselfbecause I wanted to be that
light.
I didn't want to succumb toprison, how I seen so many of my

(25:07):
peers succumb to, because inprison, man, they have letters
that identifies how many timesone has been in prison.
So I had a zero signifying myfirst time.
A means second, third, b, etcetera, et cetera.
Well, those guys done had Gs ontheir tag and I'm like how in
the hell man, how in the hellyou got a G on your tag?

(25:27):
Man, you ain't learned yet.
And I never wanted to be thatperson, man in his 40s or 50s
still trying to figure this shitout.
I said one time, and one timeonly it's either this or never.
But I wasn't going to becontributing to the recidivism
rate, and I mean that, man.
So those were just motivatedfactors, man, to propel me to be

(25:50):
my best self man.
And I was very passionate man.
I just wanted more for myself,bro, I couldn't be weak.
I felt if I didn't make prisonadvantageous to me, I felt like
they won, so I had to me.
I felt like they won, so I hadto do what I do and I had to tie
you up, man.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Alright, so you talked about, you know, not
being consumed by the fire.
Using the fire, you talkedabout, obviously, being in
prison and using it for yourbenefit, being influenced by
Osiris, but then also a lot ofthese books that you're
consuming start building updifferent habits, different

(26:31):
routines, right?
So talk to me about what aresome of the things that led to
building the person that gotreleased because the person that
came in didn't have the sameintangibles, didn't have the
same mindset, didn't have thesame routine, right?
So't have the same mindset,didn't have the same routine,
right?
So what are some of the thingsyou started to do?
You started to commit to thatcontributed to you becoming that

(26:53):
person.
And then how did you take thatoutside of prison and start
making it work for you once yougot a second chance?

Speaker 1 (27:02):
OK, so the first step to change and elevating is one
accountability.
I had to look at myself firstand understand.
Understand that I put myself inthat circumstance and it was my
responsibility to respond in away for me to come out unscathed

(27:23):
and get myself out.
So that was the first step andum, go ahead?

Speaker 2 (27:30):
was it hard for you to do, or did you?
Or did you?
Did you accept responsibilityand be accountable off the rip?
Did you like know it was wrong?
It was like all right, cool, Iforgive myself, I'm moving on,
or was that a little struggle?

Speaker 1 (27:41):
in the mind it.
I'm not going to say it waseasy, because it was still hard
for me to forgive myself forparticipating in someone losing
their life man, and an innocentman at that.
And I don't know if you've everseen when somebody dies, gets
shot point blank or range man.
But I witnessed that and onepoint in time I had nightmares

(28:02):
about it because I wasn't raisedlike that, that wasn't in like
that, that wasn't in mycharacteristics of growing up.
So for somebody like me with myupbringing witnessing that and
it's a man at that it was verydaunting and it played on my
psyche man.
But I had to level up and as Ibecame more aware with self I
had to forgive myself.

(28:22):
I didn't intentionally do thator participate in that affair,
knowing that that was going totranspire.
Had I did, I would have neverparticipated.
It was brought to me hey, we'rejust going to rob, scare
somebody, get a little money.
If they got it, go on.
That was it.
Nowhere in a discussion wherelook to get real man might the

(28:48):
shoe, even though even though Itell people this man, listen,
with robberies you never knowwhat's gonna transpire.
Now this is how I would haveforgave my co-defendant if this
scenario would have played out?
We're robbing somebody, the guygets the upper hand on us, he
gots me in a chokehold, he hasme in a situation where he can

(29:10):
bring damage, bring harm to me,and my co-defendant shoots him
as a way to defend me.
Now that's different, becausenow my life's in jeopardy and
you're doing by any meansnecessary to save your friend,
because I would do that.
If he would have done that, Iwould have understood.
But my co-defendant shot andkilled somebody because they

(29:31):
didn't have any money.
The man's struggling like us,and I remember the guy said that
before my co-defendant pulledthe trigger hey man, he's going
to have to shoot me, I havenothing.
The guy's facing the samestruggle as us and the man died
because he ain't had nothing.
So think about how that'll playwith your emotions, man.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
No, I mean, I can just think about.
Obviously I would neverunderstand this, right.
But if you look at the reverseright, you got this gentleman
who he's surprised, right,because he's getting robbed.
He's not like, he's like yo,I'm about to get robbed tonight.
So, boom, he's gettingsurprised that this is a

(30:12):
situation.
Now he's involved in asituation he can't really
control it and then he loses hislife.
So that's why the world, that'swhy life in the world is crazy
in a sense, because it's likewhat led up to his life ending
that way, based on decisionsthat he made prior.

(30:34):
But that's the situation thathe didn't put himself into Right
.
He's a casualty of otherpeople's situations.
So, then you got to think about,like why was his destiny or his
life's pattern to pass awaythat way?
And then, okay, let's say hedidn't have none, because that's

(30:55):
what he said.
But did he put anything inplace?
If he had children, how doesthis affect his family?
It's like all those differentdynamics is crazy, especially
when it's the same, like ifsomebody gets hit by a car.
If I'm walking to go get lunchand I'm crossing the street and

(31:16):
then somebody hits me and I pass, it's like I can't control that
.
I was just going to get somelunch, but that's how my life
was supposed to end.
So I think life is reallyfragile.
It's definitely really fragile,but it's interesting because
there's some situations youcan't control, a lot of

(31:39):
situations you can't, and you goout in life every day wanting
to put in that work, take careof your family, you know, pour
into yourself, help other peopleand in some situations it might
not even be in your control andthen a result can happen so
that's like the other side of it, which is very it's hard to,

(32:03):
it's hard to understand.
You know I'm saying it's reallyhard to, it's really hard to
digest.
Um, so we, you know, I wantedto kind of go back to you,
building you know the version ofyourself.
That is now right.
What made you decide to tobuild out your morning routine
or build out your, your dailyroutine, like that?
So you was talking aboutmeditating, obviously, reading,

(32:27):
avoiding different things inprison that I'm sure people find
themselves easy to get involvedin.
So walk us through what thatroutine is for you at that time.
Why did you choose to avoid,let's say, gangs or different
environments, sub-environmentsthat people get involved in?

(32:48):
And then, what was like havingthat type of focus and having
that type of mindset?

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Right.
So for me, man, it was allabout habits, continual behavior
that gives you momentum to be abetter person.
So it started with my thinking.
Remember, I told youaccountability, so I had to
start thinking different, andwhen I say thinking different,
always contemplating on theramifications my actions could

(33:15):
bring, and I felt like that'ssomething that gets overlooked a
lot.
That's why a lot of people arein prison because before we
commit an action, we never justsit back and think about hey,
what could happen?
Before I do this, let meforeshadow hey, if I do this,
man, this, either have A, b, cor D, that's real life too.

(33:36):
It's real life, yeah.
So it's like, ah, am I readyfor those consequences?
Nah, I ain't ready for that man.
Am I ready for thoseconsequences?
Nah, I ain't ready for that man.
So I'll just go ahead and passand I'm going to not do that.
And that's how I approachprison with the gangs.
From what I've seen, it wasn'twhat they proclaimed, it was Now

(33:58):
, because you talk to theaverage gang member, if you talk
to them, they're going to sellyou on it.
That it's for a cause, it's fora purpose.
That's uplifting unity, fightthe struggle, go against the
struggle.
That's against the commonpeople, et cetera, et cetera.
For a cause.
And it sounds good initially.
But me, I'm a person thatassesses off action.
You tell me that.

(34:19):
But then I see your action andthat is counterproductive
compared to what you presentedto me and I'm like, oh man, that
ain't real.
That ain't real because at onepoint in time I was leveraging
to get affiliated with somegangs because of what they

(34:40):
presented and what it meantaccording to them, according to
the initial um formulation ofthat particular organization,
and I was intrigued at first.
But like I said, man, I see theactions, I see the dynamics and
I'm like I don't want to be apart of that.
I don't want to be a part ofthat man.
So I decided not to and incertain aspects it was kind of

(35:05):
because in prison we call aperson that is affiliated a
neutron, meaning you're neutral.
And it was kind of a strugglebeing a neutron because you
don't have that backing.
And one thing about being inthe gang you do have backing.
No matter right or wrong man,you have a foundation that's
going to back you and peoplerespect numbers.
So by me being, by myself, aneutron, I had some struggles.

(35:31):
However, me being from Tampa,tampa usually, on a broad
spectrum, sticks together.
You got cities that click upTampa, miami, orlando, et cetera
, and Tampa was not braggingabout it.
But Tampa is a big city and hasa very strenuous judicial
system, so a lot of people outof Hillsborough County end up
going to prison.

(35:52):
So therefore, it's a largepopulation coming from Tampa,
from that county, and 9 out of10, we stick together.
Now, of course, you got someoutliers that just want to do
their own thing or getaffiliated with a gang and go
their own way, but on themajority, on the broad spectrum,
temple usually sticks together.
So I did have some city backing,but it wasn't as organized and

(36:15):
fortified as the organization,because you know the gangs it
was.
I'm not going to say it wasorganized to the T.
Well, I'm going to say this itwas organized when it came to
violence.
It wasn't organized for nothingelse, as far as you know,
building uplifting, contributing, really elevating the mind and

(36:36):
the advancement of the struggleno, but when it came to violence
, if they had to get somebodyout of the dorm or it was a war,
then that's when it was veryorganized, strategic and fluid.
And that's crazy man.
That just showed like it's allabout brute force man on the

(37:04):
next organization, as opposed toreally advancing the mental and
really having fresh perspectiveand and using the intangibles
to fight the most important war.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
And it's interesting too because like prison could be
designed that way.
You know, I'm saying right nowthey're just kind of letting,
letting it, let like the prisonpolitics and in that environment
just kind of beat.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
But I mean, and also prisons are private, yeah, right
, not all, but a lot of a lot ofthem still ran by state.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
So technically like, especially the state ones.
They could have an atmosphereand a curriculum that is
supportive of building differentmindsets, having certain
building blocks, having certaininstallations of how you should
become and change your life,moving forward.

(37:50):
They could do that.
They could have a wholeeducational curriculum of how to
be a good person, how to be aman or woman that's a positive
contributor to society, andstart building it up in prison
if they wanted to.
Right right, you know what I'msaying.
So it doesn't have to beultra-violent.
You know machoism super-clickedup, you know, like this race

(38:18):
against that race.
It don't have to be that way.
They just land and rot right.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
But I want to say this, brandon, because you said
something that caught myattention.
You said that prison, if theywanted to, could foster a more
rehabilitating environment byoffering other opportunities,
courses, et cetera.
Right, and I hear you and Iagree with you, but at the same

(38:46):
time it really doesn't resonatewith me because it's all within
self.
You can't expect the systemthat was designed to get you in
there to liberate you.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
That's like counterproductive.
That's like let's go back tothe plantation days.
You can't expect a slave masterto aid you to get out of
slavery to liberate you.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
That's like counterproductive, that's like
let's go back to the plantationdays.
You can't expect a slave masterto aid you to get out of
slavery.
That doesn't make any sense.
You have to make the decision,the choice that you're going to
liberate yourself.
And that's the approach I took,because in every institution,
man, they always got a library,and that library was my school.
I changed my whole thoughtprocess and my habits through

(39:29):
the books.
But I was eating that libraryup.
I ain't, I ain't play with thatlibrary, but I was reading all
kind of books, all type ofself-help books, practical books
, some fiction, because, uh,because you can, you can, you
can gain emotional intelligencethrough fictional books by
internalizing the character,putting yourself in certain
scenarios, stuff like that, andI did that, and also enhancing
your vocabulary.
It's just numerous, numerousfacets of reading that are

(39:54):
beneficial, that can advance ahuman being in a major way, and
I recommend everybody, man,start putting reading in your
daily regimen.
I cannot emphasize this enough.
If you start to read, Iguarantee your life will change,
your vernacular will change,your articulation will change,
your whole perspective on lifewill change and people will

(40:15):
respect you for it.
People will look to you foranswers, because you're reading,
because you have substance whenyou talk.
I was 18 years old, I was aleader in prison, but I had
people 40, 50 years old wantingto get answers for me.
I won't put a time when I wastrailblazing and when I had my
mentor, because let me, let me,let me elaborate a little bit
more about Osiris man.

(40:35):
Osiris poured into me.
I went through many schools ofthought in prison.
I was a Christian, I was aHebrew, israelite, I was a Bible
sinner, I even practicedBuddhism.
Man, and one thing that Iidentified in all these schools
of thought different science,same objective.
The objective was to get you toyour highest self, to get you

(40:58):
to that elite level of a humanbeing, to where your divinity
has dominion over your lowernature.
And if you don't know, if you'refamiliar with the ancient
Egyptians and that's why it'sgreat to learn from our
ancestors, from our predecessors, the ancient Egyptians they
were very aware, they were veryconscious of the anatomy and
that's what the sphinxrepresents, the human head with

(41:20):
the bestial body.
And that signified allowingyour divinity, your highest
level of conscious, to havedominion over your lower nature,
your lower frequency.
You know what I mean, becauseit entails in everybody.
We all have a bestial nature,but we also have we all have a
divinity that controls thatbestial nature, which is

(41:42):
emotions.
That allows us to supersede andnot allow our judgment to be
clouded by our lower nature.
And that's something I learnedthrough reading, through
constant studying.
And Osiris man, like I said,it's a saying that the Hebrews
have a dead Jacob and that meantthat somebody who still had the

(42:05):
veil over their eyes, thatwasn't conscious yet they didn't
really have the enlightenment,self-enlightenment,
self-awareness that they neededto move forward in life and
progress in life.
Osiris man he taught mepolitics, science, knowledge of
self, how to conduct myself, howto speak, how to present myself

(42:27):
.
He just taught me all theseintangibles and I took it with
me and I became a leader man andhe departed like shortly after
I'm not going to say shortly,but after a year of having a
rapport with Osiris.
He had a strong rapport with afaculty member and they
suspected them of having sex,but he told me personally they

(42:49):
never had sex, but the rapportwas so strong that people got
jealous and envious so theyratted on them and by law, by
institutional rule, if it getsout that you have a above normal
rapport with a faculty member,they have to ship you out.
So Osiris was taken from me andI'll never forget.

(43:12):
That experience was veryheartbreaking.
Man, that was like my dad.
I can actually say, man, youknow, outside of my biological
dad, I know it.
Having a father figure is likeOsiris was a father figure to me
, man.
I love that dude from thebottom of my heart.
Man Never took advantage.
All he did was nurture anddevelop a great human being that
you're witnessing today.

(43:33):
Seriously, man, I owe that guya lot.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
So, bro, I can tell that you've grown a lot from
that initial decision that youmade that obviously led you in
prison.
Most definitely You've done alot of work on self.
You've done a lot of work onemotional intelligence.
You can tell with your dictionand the way that you speak and
the way that you carry yourself,the way that you enunciate, and

(43:59):
obviously the vocabulary isthere, the mindset is there, the
foresight is there, the visionis there.
The foresight is there, thevision is there.
So how are you helping people?
What do you have to offerpeople that may be in a
situation where you used to beat?
How are you helping otherpeople change their lives now?

Speaker 1 (44:19):
Well, first and foremost, I'm helping people by
becoming my best self.
I feel like, in order to helpthe world, I must become my best
self to make myself more usefulto you, and this is what past
is all about.
Man, prevail againstself-sabotage because, if we
look at it, we could be our ourbest friend, but we also to be

(44:40):
our worst enemy, all dependingon the choices and the
circumstance we place ourselvesin.
So initially I self-sabotaged.
I made a choice influenced byemotions that put me in prison.
However, I also made anotherchoice that put me in an

(45:01):
advantageous situation, derivedfrom emotions that made me an
elite individual and gives meadvantages that I have today.
So how I'm helping people isshowing you how I did it through
my program.
It's called the PAST program andit entails nurturing and
developing healthy habits.

(45:22):
That enables people to notself-sabotage Because, like I
said, we are responsible for thegood and the bad in regards to
the predicament that we'recurrently in and in order to
change your situation, you mustchange you for the better, and

(45:43):
if you don't, then the situationis going to change you, and
when I say it's going to changeyou, it's going to put you in a
low frequency, in a depressivestate, going to submerge you in
hatred, envious of the next manthat is not on that level,
that's operating at a higherfrequency, but now you're
jealous of him and now you findyourself trying to take from him
Operating at a lower level.

(46:13):
So I just help people unlock asuperpower that's in it, that
dwells in every human being, andI guarantee you, if you unlock
this superpower, which is eqemotional intelligence, you will
have substantial results inlife.
You'll perform better in allyour entrepreneurship endeavors,
your workforce, parenting,interpersonal communication, all
facets of life.
Emotional intelligence is thecatalyst.

(46:35):
When you master that and youfortify that, it's inevitable
that you will be great inanything that you do.
And that's the platform that Iprovide a breeding platform, a
nurturing platform, digging outthat emotional intelligence that
will enable you to be a greatindividual who would be perfect
fit for the program.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
So so you feel like it would be men that were
recently incarcerated.
Do you feel like those areindividuals who would be perfect
for the PASS program, or do youfeel like it could also benefit
maybe an individual that'snever been locked up, maybe just
locked up in the mind, doesn'treally have direction who do you

(47:16):
feel like would be a reallygood fit for the services that
you provide?

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Well, honestly, man, it's universal, it's for
everybody.
It's universal, it's for menand women, Anybody who is
stagnant, who is stagnant bytheir bad habits, you know,
anchored down by low frequenciesthat is prohibiting them to
reach their pinnacle in life, toreach their highest state of

(47:41):
divinity.
Man, anybody who's lackingmotivation, accountability, who
needs a blueprint, an actualstructure of getting to an elite
level.
That's who it's for, but alsofor the people that's just
getting released from prison.
Man, if you don't have aguidance, if you don't have an

(48:02):
outline on how you shouldexecute, you know, in the
process of getting acclimatedback to society, this is for you
, man, because, listen, I didn'tgo to Harvard.
This is no cap, this is nofacade, this is not something
for you to sell.
I really want to help you, kingqueen, if you're coming from
that background, I want to showyou that there is hope, that you

(48:24):
can redeem yourself.
But the question is are yougoing to put in the effort, are
you going to put in the work?
Because, where I'm at today, asa guy that went in at the age
of 16, got out at 29, did adecade plus incarcerated, I
stand before you today makingsix figures.
I have financial freedom.

(48:45):
No, I'm not a millionaire yet,but I have the freedom to do
whatever I please and my life isamazing and I want you to
experience that.
Experience the same feeling onopportunities that I'm blessed
with because it can be done.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
So what are some of the things you do now?
So you're out of prison?
Um, you don't work for no one.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
No, I don't work right, you, you have your own
company, right?

Speaker 2 (49:08):
so, uh, what made you start this company?
What is the company?
And then, what products orservices do you provide?

Speaker 1 (49:14):
all right, so I'm gonna start from the inception
man.
Three years, um, excuse me,excuse me, three months upon my
release, I started a vendingcompany.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
It's called Van Zet.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Vending Inc and it was a vending.
It started off vending machines.
You talking like sodas and candyyeah yeah, to check this out,
though, brandon, I started offwith one candy machine and
people laughed at me man, familyand friends.
They laughed at me when I firstgot out oh man, candy machine,
what the hell.
And people laughed at me man,family and friends.
They laughed at me when I firstgot out oh man, candy machine,
what the hell.
Come on, boy, you can do betterthan that, really, man.

(49:46):
But see, they didn't see thevision, they didn't understand
that vending machines,particularly candy machines,
it's a numbers game.
So, they looked at it as onemachine, but I saw it bigger.
What if I had five to tenmachines and each one is

(50:09):
yielding a quarter every day for30 days straight?

Speaker 2 (50:10):
they all how much money I'm bringing in passively,
yes, meaning my presencedoesn't have to be there in
order for me to make money,hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
So, while I'm simultaneously participating in
other endeavors, I'm makingmoney.
Facts are you having somestruggles?
Are you feeling like you'rerunning around like a chicken
with your head cut off?
I was once that person too, andI'm here to tell you, man, that
there is hope, that there is away to escape.
I did 13 years off a 15-yearprison sentence man, and when I

(50:37):
got out it was hard for me toget re-acclimated, but I had to
go back to what I nurtured anddeveloped in prison and apply it
out here, and that's effective,healthy habits, and I want to
share them with you.
If you are the individual thatfeel like that's unmotivated,
that feel like you're having ahard time reaching your pinnacle
, you want more in life.
Dm me, man, dm me.

(50:59):
The word PREVAIL and me and myteam will work with you, nurture
and develop you and get you toa level that will advance you,
whether it's in the workforce,entrepreneurship, being a better
parent, personal skills, allthat above man.
We're here to help and provideyou a substantial platform.
Tap in.
They didn't see that, and Ijust started off with one and I

(51:22):
just got momentum with one and Ijust got momentum, momentum,
momentum.
One turn to 10 to the pointwhere I started delving into a
soda machine.
I remember I got blessed by themost high man.
I bought my first soda machinefor 50 bucks.
I caught the personal offer up.
They were moving out of stateand he couldn't take the soda
machine with him.
It was too much of a headache.
The soda machine was listed forlike two weeks, but that day

(51:47):
was a deadline.
They were leaving in a couplehours and they said hey, man,
you can have the solar machineright now for 50 bucks, but you
have to get it within the nexthour.
And at the time I was working.
I was in pennsylvania on theproject, but my girlfriend at
the time she was home and, uh, Iseen it and I immediately
called the phone.
I said baby, listen, you got togo get that.
I was like, listen, I sent it.
I sent her the offer up, uh,link, and she said like, oh, wow

(52:08):
, really.
I said, man, you got to go getthat.
I need you to make a sacrifice.
Go get that, give them $50, man, and go get that.
And she went and got that forme, man.
So I had my first littlemachine.
It took a couple weeks to placeit.
I placed it in that one sort ofmachine turned into 10 man and
and I just started making moremoney, more money, more minimum,
to the point where I feltconfident to delve into other
business adventures.

(52:29):
One point in time, man, Iremember I was doing
dropshipping with vape productsBecause I worked for this
company called Green EarthBuilding Maintenance, and what
it entailed was it required meto travel all throughout the
nation nurturing and developingAmazon buildings for operation.
So I was doing that.
So I was in different cities,different states, right, but

(52:50):
while I'm in different states,different cities, I had took
advantage of this class that itwas giving out in regards to
drop shipping vape products tolocal vape companies.
So while I'm in these differentcities, I'm practicing that.
So I was making a few bucksthere local vape companies.
So, while I'm in thesedifferent cities, I'm practicing
that.
So I was making a few bucksthere.
It didn't last that long becauseit wasn't what the people
professed it to be, but I didhave some similar success.

(53:12):
I can't lie, I did make alittle money.
But, yeah, I started that manand I was just on a momentum
wave and um, eventually, uh, Istopped that because this is my
whole philosophy.
When I got up and and I wantpeople to hear me the job I had
I was minimum bringing hometwelve hundred dollars a month,

(53:36):
minimum, brother.
The max I experienced on thejob was like 1950.
Worked some hell of overtimebut 1950 weekly is a lot of
money, especially consideringbrother getting out of prison.
So I quit that job paying thathandsomely to pursue full
thought of entrepreneurship.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
So just to follow that up right, just to recap
that so you're saying it was$1,200 a month or $1,200 a week.
So a minimum of $1,200 a monthbut maximum like $1,900 a week.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Yeah, $1,200 a week.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Oh, okay, so $1,200 a week minimum, but you could
have got up to like $1,900,$2,000 a week, depending on the
overtime.
Yeah, yeah yeah, okay, all Iwas making bank.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
At the time I was making bank bro Like, seriously,
I never experienced that muchmoney in my life, which is
basically 100 grand, bro.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
I was making good money.
So where you at is basicallyyou out not too long after you
release you making almost 100grand Mm-hmm.
Working for someone else,working for someone else.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
So take us from there , but I wasn't fulfilled, bro.
It wasn't enough.
I, I wanted, I wanted my ownman.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
I felt like no employer on the planet earth can
pay me my value.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
No, that's yeah, I feel like.
I feel like my wits, my efforts, my intangibles are priceless
and I and I was always willingto bet on myself.
So I remember, um, I was kindof like laid off for a month
because my job December time isvery slow so I was likely to be
off work for like three weeks,and three weeks of not getting

(55:10):
paid when I'm accustomed togetting the minimum of twelve
hundred a week, yeah, I wasn'tfeeling that I'm like you know
what I got to control.
I can't allow somebody else tocontrol my financial destiny.
So if you want to change thesituation, you must change the
situation.
So I looked in other endeavorsand I came across Airbnb, bro, I
heard great things about Airbnb.

(55:31):
I got intrigued, so I lookedfor mentorship.
I looked for a coach, somebodywho can help me and edify me on
everything about Airbnb.
And I hired a coach and thiscoach helped me get my feet with
an Airbnb man.
And no lie, brandon, I startedwith a.
This is the significance.

(55:52):
I started with a ran-downtownhouse, bro.
The significance with thetownhouse.
It was literally the sameneighborhood and eight houses
down from the townhouse that Igot incarcerated from.
Because when I got incarcerated, they came to my house of
detectives.

(56:12):
They brought me out of thehouse Mom crying, my little
brother whining, crying.
He was a baby, he was threeyears old and they took me to
the precinct, questioned me andfrom there I never seen daylight
to the age of 29.
But isn't that ironic, bro?
In the same neighborhood, abusiness in the same
neighborhood, eight townhousesdown from the house I got

(56:34):
incarcerated from.
That's how life be.
I'm making money from this one.
That's how life be, bro.
So it meant a lot to me, man,and I told it, I elaborated it
to the landlord, and that storywithin itself moved him.
He was like you know what?
I'm going to give you a shotand see how you do.
So I was paying $1,600 a monthfor this townhouse, bro.
On average, I was bringing in$8,000 a month for one townhouse

(56:57):
, and my hack was, instead ofgoing the normal route, just
making the whole entire houseavailable, I was doing rooms,
man.
I was trapping out rooms, bro.
I'm talking about $80, $90 aday for a room.
You'll be amazed, bro, on thetraffic you'll get, bro.
So it's like, man, I had thatthing pumping like a room in the
house, man, and it was anamazing experience, brother.

(57:19):
It really was, and I'm alwaysabout momentum.
I'm real big on momentum.
You want to give yourselfmomentum because that leads you
to doing more and to not getcomplacent.
So once I got that, I got ataste of blood, like a shark,
great white.
I got a taste of blood.
I want more.
I want another Airbnb, anotherAirbnb, another Airbnb, to the
point where I had like five ofthem, man, and at one point in

(57:45):
time, bro, I was bringing inlike $35,000 a month, just off
Airbnb.
So that was an amazingexperience, man.
But eventually things change.
It's inevitable.
It's life, and when businessstarts to slow down and stagnate
, it's time to change the format.
Pivot, time to pivot.
Yeah, so I had to pivot.
Airbnb was no longerrelinquishing the proceeds that
I was accustomed to, so insteadof just sinking in the quicksand

(58:10):
, I had to be proactive.
I had to find another avenue.
So I had this uh, at the time,this friend, he um, we did time
in prison, actually and I always, always see him have cars for
rent on facebook.
Now, one point in time I wastrying to rent my car.

(58:31):
I had an extra car, extravehicle that I was trying to
rent to the public, but I wastrying to do it via toro, but to
no avail.
Toro was taking too much money.
It just wasn't fair.
Fair, this didn't make sense.
I didn't like the wholestructure and dynamics of the
platform.
So I seen him and I gotintrigued.
So I'm like yo, bro, man whatyou doing what you got going on

(58:52):
here, man, what is this man?
Because I'm trying to dosomething similar.
I'm trying to go through Turo.
When you go through Turo, howTuro working for you?
He was like nah, man, turo, man, you ain't studying.
No, 2-0, 2-0.
Why you need 2-0?
Do all this stuff by yourself.
So I'm like what what youtalking about?
I'm intrigued.
Now he's like yeah, mo, do allthat by yourself, bro.
I said look, man, what does itworth to you?
I'm like, bro, whatever man I'mwilling to pay for the game I

(59:21):
and growth, I will pay you.
I have no problem with that.
He said, bro, give me 5K.
So I'm like ah, I'm like hey,brother, we're in prison
together.
You're going to pay me, you'regoing to charge me 5K.
But I said you know what andthis is a quote I live by to
everybody out here Listen Poor,poor people look at price.

(59:44):
Rich people look at value facts.
Do not fixate on how some, howmuch, something costs.
Fixate on the value and the roiit can bring to you 100 once
invested.
That's the best advice I canpossibly give you.
So, yeah, so I did.
Said you know what, fuck it.
One thing about me a lot ofpeople.

(01:00:06):
They'll go broke on buyingmaterial things Gucci, louis,
fendi, traffic and vacations, etcetera but they never want to
go broke on themselves.
Facts and I was like, bro, ifanything, I'm gonna go broke on
myself, I'm gonna invest inmyself.
So I gave him the 5K, he gaveme the blueprint, he gave me the
structure.
I took off.
I had a Nissan, also 2015.

(01:00:28):
I still have to this day makingme money.
I transitioned Vans at vendingto Vans at car rentals, started
as a DBA and I started rentingcars.
I was doing great man.
I made like 100K no cap, in myfirst four or five months so
that 5k um yielded you anopportunity to continue to make

(01:00:51):
money.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
So a lot of people would be like damn a 5k.
I don't know it's five, it's 10, 25, but with them not picking
up on obviously.
Obviously what you have in andum myself exactly is that
investment that you make isreally an investment in yourself
.
And once you learn that skill,you can continue to make money
on that skill.
So you're going to be able toget your money back and more,

(01:01:14):
because now you have the skillset so you can make money from,
obviously, doing the skill set.
But then you can also makemoney the same way the
individual helped you out is youcan charge for the game.
So now there's multiple waysand multiple avenues for you to
monetize on that skill set onceyou invest in yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Well, definitely, that's exactly what I did, bro,
and, like I said, I made 100K inmy first four or five months,
respectfully, and like wow, butsomething was missing though I
was doing it, but I just feltsomething was missing.
Though I was doing it, but Ijust felt something was missing
in my, my, my process.
Man, I didn't.
I wasn't fully founded andgrounded.

(01:01:52):
So I looked for more mentorshipbecause my friend, he was doing
it impromptu and I seen certainloose ends that needed to be
tightened but I didn't reallyhave the know-how to tighten.
So I sought out the othermentorship and I caught one of
my mans, man and I'm going todrop his name, man, because he's
helped me a lot.
Man, he helped me make 500Klast year.

(01:02:15):
Respectfully, it's Mike theBusinessman.
Yeah, I know Mike.
Yeah, mike the Businessman,he's dope man, he's incredible.
And, yeah, I know Mike, yeah,mike the business man, he's dope
man, he's incredible.
And once I got with him, mygame elevated because he told me
he showed me how to reallyproperly structure and get the
most out of the rental car game.
And once I did that man, I justshot off and it was murder.

(01:02:36):
She run after that.
You know, with the properstructure of contracts.
You know numerous ways to upsellyour customer, marketing, how
to approach customers and um toeverybody, mo, my philosophy, my
message, is predicated onemotional intelligence.
That's what I speak about.
That's what I'm passionateabout because, like I say,

(01:02:56):
emotional intelligence is thecatalyst of all aspects in life
and I I found that being strongin emotional intelligence led to
my success in the rental carspace because, hear me out, I'm
a cash car rental business.
We're talking about cash people, very sensitive, a lot of

(01:03:18):
emotions derived from people andcash.
So the reason why emotionalintelligence is so paramount,
particularly in the rental carspace for those who are
interested, is that you got toknow how to handle your customer
.
You have to know how tocommunicate.
You got to have to know how toempathize Not sympathize but
empathize, being able torecognize, label and understand

(01:03:39):
the emotion within self as wellin the customers, because if you
don't't, things can get ugly.
Emotional intelligence isresponsible for me getting in
violent affairs with certaincustomers, because certain
customers I've experienced inthe rental car space they, uh,
they breached contract, they didsomething that is prohibited in

(01:03:59):
the contract and because ofthat your deposit is fortified.
Like I say, if we're talkingabout humans and money.
It gets a little sticky so theytry to blow up at you and pose
your will.
And one thing about me I neverbeen passive.
I never been soft a day in mylife, but I also was never the

(01:04:20):
gorilla either.
I always was able to keep abalance, assertive, in the
middle.
So I have to be assertive, keepmy emotions composed, because I
don't want to react offinstinct and put myself in an
unfortunate situation because Ihave a six-figure garnering
business.
I don't want to jeopardize that, end up back in prison getting
assault charged, killingsomebody, somebody killing me.

(01:04:41):
So I had to be very prudent onmy approach, on my communication
skills, on composing myemotions now allowing how I feel
to supersede my rationale 100%.
You know what I'm saying andthat has helped me and that's
why I'm still to this day,striving and thriving in the
rental car space, because it'smore than just about giving out
cars.
Man, have to have a structure.

(01:05:01):
You have to have yourselfmentally and emotionally
composed to deal with people.
And, um, yeah, man.
So, like I say, the mentorship,investing in mentorship, helped
me elevate my game and, uh,that's why I have the success I
have today, man, and now outsideof life coaching.
That's what, what I do.

(01:05:23):
I have my successful runningcard business and I do life
coaching.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
So let's touch on the life coaching real quick,
because leadership, theaccountability, the emotional
intelligence right, but you'realso speaking right Impacting
the people.
So, with the, the life coaching, how are you making an impact
there, right?
How?
How are you putting yourself ina position to make an impact

(01:05:49):
there?
And then, what made you want tohave that alongside, you know,
with doing a rental car business, because with the rental car
business you can focus all yourtime there, right?
You know I'm saying what, ifyou learn in the habits that you
put together, you, you can justkeep those to yourself.
You can continue to improveyour life.
Why was it important for you tohave a life coaching offer, or
want to go down that path, to bemore in a leadership position

(01:06:12):
speak, teach, train and impactpeople?

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
I want to be honest with you, brendan man.
I have to be very transparentand vulnerable with my avatar
man, because I want y'all tohear me and I'm going to answer
that question.
But though I was able toidentify that silver lining in
that dark cloud of my prisonexperience, able to behoove me

(01:06:38):
as opposed to hinder me, andcome out unscathed into the
great individual I am today, Istill face struggles.
Upon my release, I wasself-sabotaging, I was indulging
in behaviors that was notaligned with my purpose and
prohibiting me from reaching mypinnacle.

(01:06:59):
And I caught it.
And I caught it at a great timeand I understand how easy it is
to be devoured by thosepleasurable emotions, because
pleasure feels good, itnaturally releases endorphins
and serotonin in the brain that,you know, encourages us to
indulge in it more.

(01:07:19):
But with everything in life,access is detrimental Anything
access.
So I was in that boat and I hadto realign myself and say hey,
when I got out of prison, Ialways said I wanted to
contribute and leave anindelible pressure on the world
in a major way.

(01:07:40):
I can't do that by succumbingand be a victim to my
self-sabotage.
I had to make a change.
So I need a course correction.
So I had to reestablish myrapport with the most high and
get back to the habits that Inurtured and developed while

(01:08:01):
incarcerated and practice andexercise them out here in the
free world.
And once I did that, thosehabits, I was able to regain
that strength, that self-esteem,and operate at a high level
frequency that enabled me toprovide to the people a platform

(01:08:23):
that can unlock your potential,your power to receive
substantial results as well.
And again, that's what PASSstands for, prevalent Against
Self-Sabotage.
And that's just what it is, man, because, like a lot of people,
they see my life on Instagramand, oh, man, you know he got

(01:08:43):
out, you know, at 16 he didn'tlet it consume him this and that
.
But I had struggles getting outof prison, man, and I'll show
one of my struggles man, um, sexencountering with women.
I was fortunate to, you know,take care of my body, get out
with some size.
Um, from what the women tell me, I'm a handsome guy.
A woman was attracted to mebecause of my articulation
skills, my ambition, my drive,so I'm getting a lot of female

(01:09:07):
attention.
But remember, brother, I leftwhen I was 16.
So my interaction and myexperience with women was really
absent because I never dealtwith a woman before.
I dealt with girls, but Ireally ain't dealt with no woman
.
I'm talking about a grown-asswoman.
So I had a hard time adjustingto that.
So it's like I'm getting in myemotions and then, you know, I'm

(01:09:28):
getting the female attention,the affection, getting into a
whole, nother level of sex, andwant more, want more and more
because I was deprived frombeing sequestered from society
for a prolonged period of time.
So, like I say, the pleasure,it feels good.
I want more and more and more,to the point where now I'm down
on a slippery slope.

(01:09:49):
Now I became an addiction andthat's why, brother, I never
look down upon nobody that has adrug addiction, gambling
addiction, alcohol addiction,because I was an addict.
I know how it feels.
I was addicted, addicted to sex.
Man.
I'm serious, bro.
I don't know if you man, sex isa drug man if not utilized in

(01:10:09):
the proper manner.
I was sabotaging, bro.
I was not fulfilling my purpose.
Listen, man, I told myself whenI was locked up, bro, I say by
the age of 35, I'm going to be aself-made man.
Now, well, today, brother, I'm35.
I sit before you at the age of35.
I'm not a millionaire.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Yet I made six figures, but I'm not a
millionaire yet, well, you're amillionaire in the mind, in the
mind, and all it takes is thatfor the mind and time to line up
.
So you got to be here first.
Got to be here first.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
Yeah, but in order to get it from the fiscally
standpoint, I had to change.
I had to build the healthy,strong habits and destroy the
masculine habits.
And that's what I did I have.
I had to go back to the drawingboard.
I had to remember what mypurpose was, because I was
acting out of my purpose.
At one point in time, man, Iwas lost.
I was running around like achicken with my head cut off and
it was killing me.
Bro, yeah, it feels good to behitting the baddies and out

(01:11:08):
partying, hanging out, but thenwhat about in the morning, when
you just spent hundredsthousands of dollars
entertaining?
You feel empty inside.
What are you accomplishing?
I'm constantly procrastinating,lazy.
I'm thinking about is the sex,mm-hmm, the lust.

(01:11:31):
So I had to make some changes.
I had to remember what theSphinx represented.
Everybody said that earlier theancient Egyptians, because the
ancient Egyptians conveyed to usthe human nature and how to
supersede and succeed in life.
I was so involved and tappedinto my lower nature that my

(01:11:53):
divinity wasn't in control.
I wasn't feeding my divinity.
But I had to get back to thatand start feeding my divinity,
to put my divinity to strengthenand enable it to have control
of my lower nature.
And that's where I'm at today.
I no longer have that addiction.
I no longer have that sexproblem, because I realigned my

(01:12:13):
definitive purpose.
And if you align with yourdefinitive purpose, man, no
distraction.
You will have no hurdle thatcan be able to sustain.
Because, like I always say notto get off topic, man you got
two type of people in this world.
You got the purpose drivenpeople and you got the pleasure
driven people.
Now, the pleasure driven peopleare the people that are victims

(01:12:38):
of impulsive and compulsivegratification what feels good,
what can escape me or take meaway from reality.
And the reality is you need toget your shit together, you need
to get yourself in a bettercircumstance, because we're
doing all this partying andindulging and vacating and all

(01:12:59):
this pleasurable affairs and weain't got our priorities in
order.
What sense does that make asopposed to the purpose-driven
person, the person that has thestrength and the ability to
crucify the pleasure,understanding that the ultimate

(01:13:21):
goal, which is fulfilling thepurpose, outweighs what the
pleasure can present to thatperson on all costs.
That's what the motive is,because once we fulfill our
purpose and we have thatfoundation, life's all about
balance.
You can have some pleasure, butlet's have our pleasure in a

(01:13:43):
standpoint of power, while ourpriorities are in order and we
have the means and the resourcesin the fortified psyche to
handle the pleasureappropriately and not allowing
it to consume us.
Remember, don't be consumed bythe fire, but purified by the
fire.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
Yeah, 100%.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, facts.
So, man, we covered a lot bro.
Yeah, 100%, yeah for sure,facts.
So, man, we covered a lot, bro.
Um, I think I read also thatyour father right.
So so, um, you got a daughter,yeah, a daughter and a son.
How old are your kids?

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
uh, my daughter.
She's two, her name's Rosie andI named her specifically that
royalty because she's royalty tome, but I wanted the world to
see her as royalty as well.
But all I'm going to teach herin order for the world to treat
you like royalty, you must firsttreat yourself as royalty.
You have to have self-dignity.
If you want the world torespect, you must respect
yourself first.

(01:14:37):
So I named her that because Ialways wanted um names have
meaning and I want her to depictand execute the attributes of a
name.
And then I have my son, king.
His real name is King Lobby andhe's not my biological, but
he's my son and I love him todeath and I'll do anything for
him.
So I don't like to say I wantyou to turn stepson, because I'm

(01:15:00):
willing to die for him if Ihave to.
I'm willing to make thatsacrifice and I say this
wholeheartedly.
So he's my son.
And they're an amazing kid,they're phenomenal and though
they get on my nerves at times,they have built a character of
patience that enables me to havemore patience with the world,
because you know what I'm saying.
Kids, man.
They need attention, they needaffection and sometimes they

(01:15:22):
don't always listen the firsttime you tell them, and
sometimes adults don't either,especially in the workforce and
the entrepreneur endeavors.
You got to tell somebodysomething more than one time, so
, giving me the patience and thestrength to be able to sustain,
I got it derived from them, soit's a blessing man.
I love it, man.
So entrepreneur, father, leader, speaker.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
Yes, sir, Life changer speaker.
Yes sir.
Life changer.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
Life changer man.
You know what?

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
I'm saying how can people get in contact with you
and what do you actually havefor the people?
So if somebody wants to get incontact with you, how can they
do that?
And if they do get in contactwith you, what can they look for
?

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
Okay, so you can get in contact with me at my
Instagram right now.
It's real underscore Mo NelsonSpeaks man.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
We'll put that link below.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
Yeah, put that link in there and you can just shoot
me a DM, shoot me the wordPrevail and let me know that
you're serious.
And I offer a blueprint.
It's called the PASS BlueprintPrevailing Against Self-Sabotage
Blueprint, and what in thisblueprint?
It entails healthy habits thatI actually execute on a daily

(01:16:28):
basis.
We're going to help identifyyour why and if you don't have a
why, I'm going to ask you yourwhy.
And if you don't have a why,we're going to help develop your
why.
And we're going to cover whatdefinitive purpose is, the power

(01:16:48):
of it and the importance of it.
And if you don't have one,we're going to identify your
purpose.
And also, man, we're going toget your temple right, because
exercising correlatessignificantly with heightening
your emotional intelligence.
You want to take care of yourtemple because when you look
good, you feel good and that hasa profound effect on your self
good and that has a profoundeffect on your self-esteem.
And when your self-esteem is atan all time high, your

(01:17:09):
frequency frequency is at a highlevel.
And when your frequency is ahigh level, you don't
reciprocate or indulge in lowerfrequency activities.
You get what I'm saying and, um,that's, that's something that
we foster, that's something thatwe help you with with your
macros, with your nutritionalplans um, some for some people
that you don't know where tostart at in the gym, as far as

(01:17:32):
what workout regimens, uh, um,to partake in.
We help you with that as well.
We'll create you a customworkout routine designed
according to your desired bodygoals and many more.
But you know, tap me in with me, man, because I want to help
you.
I want to take you frommediocre to elite man and um,

(01:17:53):
that's that's what I have tooffer.
Work one-on-one with me.
I have elite, uh coachingprogram and then I have my
mid-level for the people that,um, not as financially stable,
need a little more help, need alower level.
So you got stuff for everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
Got stuff for everybody?

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
No, matter where you at financially.
I got a platform, I got aprogram for you and I want to
help.
I built myself up in prison andout here to help and serve you
all, because I really believethat it's my purpose is to
provide servitude.
So you know, tap in with me andlet's work, man, let's build,
let's become great elite, humanbeings, man and be unconquered.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
Yo man, this podcast was dope bro.
I feel like I learned a lot,obviously, about your story, but
uh, more so than that.
I really feel like yougenuinely want to help people
most definitely.
I feel like I feel like, um,just based off of your life
experience and then yourinvestment in improving and
changing your life, I reallyfeel strongly and passionately

(01:19:03):
about you wanting to actuallymake a difference in people's
lives.
I feel like there's a lot ofpeople obviously that want to
get on platforms.
Come on podcasts, youtubechannels, content.
They might just want to push aproduct, they might want to
leverage the content, just totake something from the people,

(01:19:24):
so then they could you know,they could benefit from it.
But, I don't feel like that.
I don't feel like that for me.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
Yeah, and I don't want to say something too, man,
because this whole heart manlike this is like on the court
right here and I never toldnobody this man, it's just kind
of it's a little sensitive.
It kind of choked me up alittle bit.
It's kind of it's a littlesensitive.
It kind of choked me up alittle bit.
For a long time, man, I fearedbeing on the other side of the

(01:19:51):
coin, always feared of like oneday man, what if some youngins
that are misguided, that doesn'tunderstand their potential, who
lack opportunity, want to rollup on me and want to rob me
because they see my jewelry,because they don't have no
father figure, they don't havethe correct guidance, they don't
have a precedent, man.
So that in itself is whatmotivates me, man, because I

(01:20:13):
want to show you, young brother,young queen, that you do have
opportunity, that you are great,that you have options.
You don't have to succumb tothose lower frequency affairs
and I feel like giving thisplatform, just my story alone,
can contribute to the world in amajor way.

(01:20:35):
Because I want to leave anindelible impression, because
sometimes I still haveforgiveness issue within myself
and I feel like I can neverbring the guy back that was a
victim of my case, but I can atleast somehow make it right by
contributing something positiveand preventing people from
indulging in the same affairsthat I indulged in, because life

(01:20:58):
is real, man.
So this is really from theheart.
I ain't go to Harvard to this,ain't?
I'm just trying to sell yousomething.
It ain't about none of that.
I really want to help man.
I really want to help manbecause I don't want somebody to
experience what I experiencedat the age of 16, man, because
it was cold.
Yeah, I made it look easy, butit took a strong level of mental

(01:21:20):
fortitude to do that andeverybody's equipped with that.
I'm one of the real ones.
But I never want the that youngqueen out there, that young
king out there at 15, 16, as anadolescent, to experience what I
experienced man, because it'svery daunting, it can be very
challenging to come up out ofman.
So here's your chance right nowwise, wise people.

(01:21:42):
Learn from the mistakes ofothers.
You don't necessarily have to gothrough what I went went
through.
Allow me to go through it andlive through me, and allow my
experience to be instrumental toyour development.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
So definitely want to end, definitely want to end the
pod with just you know again,like letting you know and
letting y'all, letting y'allknow if y'all are really tapped
in, especially if you made itthis far, I definitely feel like
you're genuine, you truly wantto help people and I think that
you learn a lot from the lessonsthat you had to go through.

(01:22:13):
And then, obviously, buildingyourself up, being vulnerable,
because you say, yeah, you gotout, but you got to introduce
new challenges, and some of thenew challenges involve being
addicted to sex, right, and thennavigating that right, um.
So, yeah, bro, like you, yougot a world of of knowledge, ton

(01:22:35):
, tons of experiences that Idefinitely feel like um can help
people.
But definitely want to ask youwe got bugs in here crazy?
Definitely want to ask you wegot bugs in here, crazy?
Definitely want to touch on thatprison experience real quick.
Before we get out of here, man,what was it really like?
Because I've never been toprison.

(01:22:56):
You know you mentionedobviously you're going to have
dudes that's going to imposetheir brute strength.
You're going to have dudes thatare going to impose their brute
strength.
You're going to have dudes thatare going to succumb to
emasculation.
And then obviously you got,like you said, the neutrons, the
people in the middle.
So paint a picture for me, likeif you know if I ever went to
prison, or those that may nevergo to prison.

(01:23:19):
What does that picture actuallylook like?
What are some of theexperiences that you've seen,
good, bad or indifferent?
What are some of the situationsyou might have just maybe just
came from eating, going whereveryou're going, or maybe you're
getting out, maybe you'reoutside.
What are some of the craziestthings you've seen?

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
All right.
So for starters, man, thenumber one way to survive prison
starts with a high level ofemotional intelligence.
If it wasn't for the strengthof my emotional intelligence, I
wouldn't have survived prisonthe way I survived.
Because when I say a high levelof emotional intelligence, it's
being able to be aware of youremotions and your moods, but

(01:23:58):
also being in control of theimpulse and the urges.
Prime example, when somebodymakes you mad.
It was moments in prison wheresomebody said something to me
that was disrespectful andinitially off instinct, I want
to hit him in the mouth.
But then you have to assess hey, is that the optimal choice
right now?

(01:24:19):
Because if I hit him in themouth and I see it was always
like multiple choices in my mindIf I hit him in the mouth and I
see it was always like multiplechoice in my mind If I hit him
in the mouth, hey look, you gotgang brothers in here.
Am I ready for that war rightnow?
Two, am I ready to lose my gametime?
Game time is the timeaccumulated that lets you get
out early.
Am I ready to put that on theline?
Am I ready to go intoconfinement Because you can have

(01:24:41):
momentum while in prison Like Ihad momentum, I was learning
confinement, because you canhave momentum.
While in prison, like I hadmomentum, I was learned, I was
growing, I was developing, I wastaking advantage of courses, I
was meeting people, networking.
I don't want to go toconfinement over something that.
That that, on a broad spectrum,was really, if you take yourself
out of your emotions, wasminute.
Um, you know many, many, many,um many factors, right?
So you conclude that, hey, isit really that that serious?

(01:25:05):
But then on the flip side,there's certain instances that
transpires like well, you knowwhat you have to.
You have to because if youdon't, it's going to be a domino
effect and now you're going tohave a hard time in prison.
Prime example One thing is afinger check.
Never allow no man to fingercheck you.
I don't give a damn what thecircumstance is If you allow

(01:25:26):
another man to finger check you,especially in prison, life in
general.
But in prison you're going tofind yourself in a very
compromising situation.
And what I mean by that?
You might be washing anotherman's rolls man for free.
You get what I'm saying yougiving up your canteen, being
bullied.
You know what I mean beingshoved around.
You're going to have a hardtime, man, because with prison

(01:25:49):
you have to have a balance.
Me, I was never the gorilla.
I wasn't the hardest, I didn'thave the hardest fight game, but
I wasn't the weakest either andI did know how to fight and I
did know how to defend myselfpretty well, but somebody for
everybody.
And I didn't walk around withmy chest like I couldn't die.

(01:26:10):
And that's what a lot of peoplebullies they mess up at in
prison.
Because you got those bullies,you got them people that think
because they got a little muscle, you can't die, or because you
stabbed a few people that nobodycan't stab you Like nah, and
that's the same thing in thefree world.
Because you got a gun and youshot a couple dudes and you got
some clout.
You ain't a human.
A bullet don't harm you as well.
And I just always had such adislike for that mentality.

(01:26:32):
So I was the total opposite ofthat.
I was the guy that you knowwhat.
I don't want no drama.
I don't want no trouble.
I ain't going to your locker.
You ain't going to mine, fam.
I don't want no trouble.
I ain't going to your locker.
You ain't going to mine, fam.
I ain't going to disrespect you.
You're going to disrespect me.
I ain't in your way, pleasedon't get in my way.
And it was very important forme, bernie, because this is real

(01:26:55):
man.
I'm about to really take youinto the lifestyle of prison,
bro.
I seen dudes man read the BibleBecause on a broad spectrum like
me, it could have gotmisconstrued that I was scared
that I was doing all thisconstructive and practical
skills and development because Iwas just scared to be in the
trenches of prison.

(01:27:15):
Because a lot of people hidebehind that A lot of child
molesters, a lot of peoplethat's in prison for crime that
they're ashamed of, that will bea target on their back raping,
playing with kids, etc.
Those are the ones that'sheavily in the Bible trying to
better themselves, they tryingto keep people off their ass.
But sometimes that shit getsrevealed.
That shit gets known like no,you ain't finna hide.

(01:27:36):
So I seen dudes reading theBible in the midst of reading
the Bible, praying to the God.
Bible stopped at their hand.
Beat up, beat up to a pope.
Bullied Ain't even respect theBible, don't care nothing about
you trying to better yourself.
You weep, you pray, you'regoing to get ate.

(01:28:00):
So you see, a guy like methat's really taking this stuff
serious, that's developing,that's trying to make the most
out of my prison experience, notbeing consumed by it, but
purified by it.
It got a few times where I gotmistaken to be in that box.
Now I had somebody that didthat crime.
But I'm talking about thatjourney, that type of time where

(01:28:20):
it's like, man, you just scared, you just ain't got where to
take this environment.
No, no, I got where to take it.
Nah, I'm in the mud.
So it was times where I had tofight, where I didn't want to
fight.
I had to do some stuff inprison.
I didn't want to do that.
I don't want to sell records,but I had to do.
If I didn't, bro, I would havebeen fooled.
I had to get in that grid.

(01:28:42):
You know what took me a fewtimes Out of what 13 years in
full incarceration Maybe hadwhat?
Eight fights.
That's great compared to 16 to29 only had eight fights.
Man, I feel like I won.
I feel like that's great,that's a pat on my back, because
I know, guys, man that had 100fights in three months.
You feel what I'm saying and Ialways said man that had 100

(01:29:03):
fights in three months.
You feel what I'm saying and Ialways said, man, if I fight,
every time I feel disrespected,bringing it out, we'll be dead
man, and it's the same thing onthe street.
That's why you have a lot ofthese road rage incidents,
because people fall victim tothe impulsivity of their
emotions, instead of controllingit, instead of you know, not
taking it personal, takingyourself outside of your

(01:29:25):
emotions.
Because one thing in life, man,you never know the war another
man is facing.
You ever got cut off in trafficbefore and I'm going to get
back to the prison.
You got cut off in trafficbefore and you're like man, god,
man, what the hell wrong withyou?
And you get mad.
You find yourself, but thinkabout it.
Find yourself, but think aboutit.
What if that person has a childthat's in the hospital, that's
having complications, and theywere just getting off work and

(01:29:48):
they need to tend to their child?
What if mom had a stroke andthey need to tend to their
mother?
What if they got a certainemergency that really kind of
warrants because you're having agood, blessed day, you want
your way to shoot anotherpodcast, which is important, but
it ain't detriment to yourwell-being.
They got something that'sdetriment to their well-being.
So they cut you off andinitially you're like but you

(01:30:10):
never know.
But I guarantee, if you wouldhave known that, I guarantee you
would have been cussing andfussing and, you know, get all
aggressive with them.
Yes, sir, go ahead, brother, go, yeah, I'll wait, go.
So that's why EQ is soparamount.
And so back to the prisonexperience, man.
Emotional intelligence was veryparamount because you just had

(01:30:31):
to have a balance, man.
You had to know when and how torespond and react, because
there's a difference Respondingis committing to action,
calculated, doing a calculatedaction.
Reacting is just going Withoutno thought, no calculation, just

(01:30:52):
instinct, just because ithappened, and sometimes that can
get you in a very unfortunatesituation.
So I always had to think andput my emotions in perspective
and not allow them to get thebest of me because it felt right
.
Because when we talk aboutpleasure and purpose, when we're
in an emotional state like,let's say, somebody got up under

(01:31:15):
your skin, they disrespectedyou, you're mad the instant
gratification for you at thatmoment is to hit him in the
mouth.
It'll feel so good.
Think about it.
Think about it, man.
If I said something or did atransgression towards you, that
was, you know a little below thebelt.
It would feel good for you toball your fist and hit me in my

(01:31:36):
mouth.
Of course, yeah, it'll feelreal good Gratification, that's
the pleasure.
Yeah, let's think about theconsequences.
For one assault charge, I mightpress charges.
You might kill me with one hit.
Three I might get on your ass.
It might not go as you thinkit's going to go when you put
your hands on me.
Four I can have a gun.

(01:31:58):
You put your hands on me.
What if I had a gun in the cuffand shot you?
People don't think.
People don't think, peopledon't think.
And this, this way of operating, has allowed me to sustain in
the free world but also allowedme to survive in prison.
Because one false step, man, itcan be over.

(01:32:19):
You can change the wholetrajectory of your sentence.
I know guys listen, I know guysthat went in with five years in
prison.
Bro Killed a man over somethingso minute.
I know dudes that killed a dudeover a noodle square.
Bro, because a dude owed himsome suits, killed a man, that
man got a life sentence oversome suits, bro.
Yeah, bro, I understand, it'sthe principal.

(01:32:40):
He OG'd you, he lied to you.
He deceived you but you theprincipal, he OG bugs you.
He lied to you, he deceives you, but you threw your life away
over some pack of news that cost25 cent.
Right, how you think that manfeel if he could take it all
back right now, if he can't goin that scenario and just calm
his emotions down and just thinkfor one second, calculate it,

(01:33:02):
you think he would have keptthat man again.

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
No, definitely not.

Speaker 1 (01:33:07):
So you see the importance.
That's why, man, eq is far I'man advocate of this shit far
more important than IQ, brother,iq ain't nothing but knowledge
and information.
We ain't information.
You can get informationanywhere, Anybody can seem smart
.
But EQ is more of theapplication of what you know.
Yeah, how do you respond?

(01:33:28):
You're gonna say, yeah, we allgot.
Yeah, you got some money, hegot some money.
But how are we spending thismoney?
You spending your money to getyou all right, using it as a
tool.
This guy spend his money from apleasure standpoint, just
spinning, spinning, spinningaimlessly, like it just wrong

(01:33:49):
trees, hmm, and then next thing,you know, in a couple months to
a year, he actually you for acouple dollars.
He was like, but you just had arole he on a couple months ago,
you know, saying that this isjust what.
This is why emotionalintelligence so paramount on all
aspects of life.
This is what I get to thepeople.
I'm very passionate about itbecause if we have our emotional
intelligence, our EQ and checkbro, we have a foundation and

(01:34:11):
we'll perform better in everysingle aspect in life.
There's no limitations.
You know what I'm saying?
And yeah, man, so that's justwhat it is man, but it's going
to be crazy what I'm about tosay.
But I tell everybody this man,prison was such a blessing in
disguise.
I am so elated that I went toprison, bro.

(01:34:31):
I saved my life.
Now I'm not happy what I wentto prison for, but I'm so happy
that I went to prison, bro,because being sequestered from
society, having minimum to to,no distractions, being able to
find self, the knowledge of self, my potential, the history of
me being a man of Africandescent, born and raised in this

(01:34:52):
country, from learning what myancestors, our ancestors, the
sacrifices they made for us tohave the freedoms today, bro,
prior to going to prison, Ididn't know why.
None of that.
I didn't love self.
How do I love myself?
I put myself in thispredicament.
People say, oh, I love myselfall the time.
But how you love yourself?

(01:35:12):
Look at the choices you'remaking, how you love your body,
feed yourself with all thatpoison that, in a couple months,
got you with a beer.
Belly Titties hanging.
Belly Titties hanging.
Come on, man, you a man.
That's unacceptable.
Prison helped me cultivateself-love and from this day, I
would never, ever put my life,my body in a compromising

(01:35:37):
situation of servitude.
I would never put my life in asituation to where it's not
valued and respected.
Prison gave me that opportunity, man, and I'm forever grateful,
forever grateful.
I owe DOC when I said I gavehim up my time.

(01:35:58):
Oh, do I give you that 13-yearold thing?
I owe you that.
No more man.
But, yeah, man, prison was ablessing man and with anything
in life, man, nothing isnegative if you approach it in a
certain manner.
Yeah, people say like emotions.
People say emotions a negativeemotion, a bad emotion, positive

(01:36:21):
, negative emotion.
Right, like anger.
People say oh, angry, anger,hatred is a negative emotion.
No, it's not Fear.
No, it's not Because fear caneither save your fear can hinder
you or save your life.
Let me give you an example.
All right, so if I had the fearto invest in myself and to take
that leap, I will never changemy situation.

(01:36:42):
I'll forever work for somebody.
Be mediocre won't have thelimitless opportunities that I
currently have If I had thatfear to pursue.
Right.
But let's say I'm walking downthe street and I see some
knuckleheads on my pursuit towhere I need to go to.
But I have an opportunity to goa different route and I still

(01:37:04):
reach my destination.
But if I don't have no fear, Isay, hey, man, fine, I don't
care because they there, I'mgoing to walk through and these
people look like they up to nogood.
They look like they're on brinkto try you.
I'm a man.
I'm a man, look at me, I'm aman.

(01:37:25):
I'm a man, I'm going to goright passing and they whoop
your ass, take your jury,potentially kill you.
Then what?
But if you had a stimulus offear, that would have protected
you, that would have prohibitedyou and allowed you to
circumvent that route and takethe other route to the same
destination.
That's what I'm saying Hatred.

(01:37:46):
Why do people hate on otherpeople's success?
Why do that?
Instead, channel that hatred towant more and to better
yourself.
Use that as motivation.
Channel it.
Look at yourself in the mirrorand say you know what I don't
like where I'm at in life.
I hate the situation and thecircumstance that I'm currently
in.
I see what this person got.
I want more.
I'm at in life.

(01:38:06):
I hate the situation, thecircumstance that I'm currently
in.
I see what this person got.
I want more.
I'm envious of it.
But I'm going to channel thatenvy to better my situation and
advance my life and take yourlife to a new level.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
So you get what I'm saying about emotions, no
negative or positive.

Speaker 1 (01:38:19):
It's all about how you channel them, bro, and
that's what I learned in prison,and I apply that shit today,
and that's why I'm at the levelI'm at today, because of the
appropriate channeling of theemotions, and that is a big,
major part of emotionalintelligence.
That's it, bro.
That's it, bro.
That's all we need.
That's all I wanted to get.
That's it, bro.
I just wanted to get at it, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
That's all I wanted to get at Listen again.
You guys got to tap in with myguy.
We're going to put theInstagram below.
Let them know what theInstagram is.

Speaker 1 (01:38:43):
Real R-E-A-L underscore.
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Man, look out, I got some bookscoming along the way.
I got some e-learning programsgoing to be made available.
Just tap in.
But for starters, man please, Iwant to hear your concerns.
Let me know some of yourstruggles.
Man, I want to help Team and I.
We're going to develop a planof execution to help you and to

(01:39:04):
get you to where you want andneed to be.
Again, real underscore.
Mo Nelson speaks.
Dm me the word PREVAIL to letme know that you're serious and
let's get to work.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
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Someone that used to be like me,where I didn't really have
anyone that can hold meaccountable, nor did I have a
group that I felt comfortableabout.
You know what these are.
This is my tribe.
I can grow well, listen, we putthat together podcast school.
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Let's go on.
West watson, it's easy for meto make that 70k because I have
a 15k offer.
I got a 25k offer.
So if I sell 125k, I got mymoney back.
If I sell 15, if I got.
If I sell uh, two fifteens orif I saw 115, I got my money

(01:40:23):
back.
If I saw two fifte or if I sellone 15, I got my money back If
I sell two 15s.
That's only, let's say you gaveme a hundred leads.
That's less than two percent.
That closed, but I still wasable to monetize.
You know what I'm saying yeah,yeah, yeah.
So it's always taking the moneyand then putting it back into
letting more people know whoOkay, and when you say my offer
like this is my offer workingone-on-one with me.

(01:40:43):
Yeah, that's your offer?

Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
Yeah, Getting your emotional intelligence, getting
your EQ right by simultaneouslygetting your diet, your
nutrition and your temper rightas well.

Speaker 2 (01:40:54):
Mm-hmm, and then who you feel like your target offers
.
I mean your target on.

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
My avatar?
Yeah, man, my avatar is likeyou said people getting out of
prison, that's, trying to getacclimated back into society,
people that need that extra umphof motivation but don't know
how.
Just need a littleaccountability and a precedent

(01:41:22):
and that's really it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:23):
So that's what you do .
So I never heard you speak, soI don't know how you tell your
story, but I'm going to give yousome cues Talk, spicy and
emotionally compelling, Becausethat's what's going to make,

(01:41:44):
Because ultimately, the podcastis the content.
But the content is going toconnect with people first.
That's how they're going tofind you, is that secondary
content, which is the clips.
So you have to create somemoments that are clip-worthy.
You know what I'm saying,Gotcha.
So basically, you can be likeyo, Brendan, you ain't never
been to prison, bro.
So what you you saying is cooland I understand it, but I'm

(01:42:06):
here to really help the peoplethat are getting out and they
can't really get to the next.
You know Like you know what Imean.

Speaker 1 (01:42:11):
Yeah, see, I need you to incite those questions too,
though I will, so I can.

Speaker 2 (01:42:16):
But, that's what I want you to think about.
Cause kind of back to what yousaid you acting- I Um uh, you
acting.

Speaker 1 (01:42:26):
I need to get rid of this phone.

Speaker 2 (01:42:27):
Nah, nah, you can put it in if you want.

Speaker 1 (01:42:29):
Yeah, yeah, um nah, that's powerful, bro, yeah.
And also I want to put a littlecomic relief in it too, because
there's certain aspects ofprison that are funny, okay,
comment relief in it too,because there's certain aspects
of prison that are funny, okay,you know, being okay.
So, like, my whole thing was inprison having a balance, being

(01:42:52):
assertive, not too aggressive,but not too passive, because if
you, if you're too aggressive,you put a target on your back,
yeah, and somebody couldpotentially hurt you bad to get
you out of it because you're athreat, you're a perpetual
threat.
And then, secondly, with thepassive aspect, if you're too
passive, you're too weak,they're going to test you.

Speaker 2 (01:43:14):
They're going to test you.

Speaker 1 (01:43:15):
And you're going to be a victim of a servitude.
You're going to be watchingsomebody draw, yeah, yeah, yeah,
you know what I'm saying.
And that's one of the mostemasculating thing.
You know what I mean when a mannot not now.
Some people watch people'sdraws for a hustle, you paying
them, you paying them handsomelyto watch your draws.
But I'm talking about when aman imposes his will on you and
you gonna watch these draws, orelse, bro, that's, that's pretty
that's do it All.

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
Right, cool, let's get it.
Okay, look, so this is howwe're gonna get you more
exposure using the pod equals MCsquare strategy, right?
Then we're gonna bring out theair fryer.
Air fryer and then connect itto the toaster oven method,
right?
I think Now, until we do allthis, we're going to get you a
million views and millions ofsubscribers.
I have no idea what you'retalking about.
I got you, let me go getsomething.

(01:44:08):
What's this box about, bro?
What is that?
So we got your long-formpodcast right here, right, this
is long-form audio, okay now I'mgetting my money's worth.
We got a service to get moreexposure, get more views and get
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(01:44:29):
Now do you understand?

Speaker 1 (01:44:30):
I completely get the vibe now Before I don't know
what you was talking about, butthis, right here we're going to
make a lot of money.

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