January 11, 2025 • 49 mins
Get ready to unlock the secrets of visionary thinking with Justin Breen, a best-selling author and innovator with a unique talent for connecting patterns across various fields. Join us as we journey through Justin's transition from journalism to entrepreneurship, revealing how neurodivergence, such as ADHD and autism, can often lead to groundbreaking ideas. Learn more about how Justin used his talents and gifts to not only help others realize their potential, but he also was able to tap into his own talents and creativity. One of the most remarkable talents Justin has is to look at patterns and piece together patterns in ways that will help people achieve their optimal potential.
Justin's unique perspectives allowed him to write a best selling novel Epic Life that was ranked top across multiple platforms including, Amazon and USA Today. Justin's talent for music has reached acclaimed top level musicians that we all know and love (well, at least most of us). Recently, Justin became the co-founder of Corvia AI where music and technology meet. Justin is also the CEO and Co-Founder of Epic F.I.T. where the main mission to help visionaries reach their potential and give back to the world in ways the world could use their talents and gifts.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hi everyone and welcome to season two of On the
Spectrum with Sonia podcast, apodcast where we talk about
autism spectrum, mental healthand anybody who has overcome any
adversity that helps peoplefeeling inspired and filled with
hope, love, connection,especially in a world where
(00:24):
people are made to feel moredisconnected.
Our aim here is to help peoplefeel empowered and connected and
filled with hope and love andsupport and help people feel
like they can do anything.
Now, today is a very specialday for two reasons.
Not only is it kicking off thefirst day of season two, which
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will be episode 29, but we havea very, very special guest with
us Justin Breen.
If you don't know him, he issomebody you are.
The world is going to knowabout in the next few months.
Okay, especially because he hasbig things on the horizon.
Some I can say, some I can't,but you know what he is?
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An amazing individual.
We connected right away.
He is a author, a best-sellingauthor, not only on Amazon, but
he has been mentioned on WallStreet Journal's top book list,
also USA Today's top book list,for his book Epic Life, where he
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talks about global strategy forcompanies in being able to
balance work-life, which so manypeople struggle with global
companies, how even that's evenmore like tenfold with that.
But Justin has his way ofenvisioning things.
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He is a very brilliant personand once you hear what he says
today, you are going to beawestruck.
Okay, and so what Justin hasalso come on here to talk about
with us today, most importantly,is the idea of visionaries
right and how people who areneurodivergent, such as people
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with ADHD and autism, forexample, how they are
visionaries, and he has done thenumerology, that life path
numerology to come up with histheories and here to talk about
it more.
Let's just, without further ado, welcome Justin.
Welcome here, justin.
I am super excited you're here.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Thank you, that was a wonderful intro.
Really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Oh well, thank you, Thank you.
So, Justin, now tell us alittle bit about you and what
your passion is in life ofhumanity.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
So I spend my day talking and connecting with most
interesting people on planet,whether that's one-on-one
discussions like this, whetherthey're recorded or not, or
whether it's group sessions inperson or virtually and then,
whether you want to call itneurodivergence or autism or ADD
, adhd the way my heart andbrain kind of connect to each
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other, I can see the patterns inthings and then reveal those
patterns or inform people ofthose patterns through books or
companies, or just started asongwriting company, and so it's
understanding kind of the innermeaning of life and then
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revealing that to people.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
yep, when did you start noticing that you were
able to connect patternstogether?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Well, I was born April 10th 1977.
April 10th 1977.
That was on Easter Sunday.
That's the only time mybirthday has ever been on Easter
, and my earliest childhoodmemories are of connecting
things, always have done it, um,whether that was um, uh, being
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upstairs, uh, staring at maps uh, national geographic maps all
day and just connecting the dots, or the cities, uh, in maps, or
you know, uh, uh.
I was a journalist for 20 yearsbefore starting a visionary
entrepreneur world and as a kidI would, uh, I would record, I
was like I would do my own radioDJ shows where I would like
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record how I would communicateand then and then play music on
it as well.
So that's like as a, you know,four or five year old even.
And when I, when I would talkor do the intros, I would make
connection patterns or talkabout what was happening in
society and then blend, you know, the theme of the song into
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that.
So I've been doing that mywhole life.
It's never really it's.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I've always been like that and you went to college
then for journalism at u of Ichampaign urbana, yes, and did
you always kind of then knowthat that's what you wanted to
do, is be like a journalist?
Did you always kind of know,like from a young age, that this
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is what you've wanted?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, so that's a good question.
I would describe it as anentrepreneur who happened to be
a journalist or a visionary whohappened to be a journalist.
People like us are usuallyaliens within our own family,
community and verticals.
The only people that understandus are other aliens.
So technically, yes, I was ajournalist and really like
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mostly listening to people andthen simplifying what I hear
into a story and then again nowbooks or songs or whatever,
whatever that is.
But as an entrepreneur whohappened to be a journalist, I
never understood like negativenews or political stuff or crime
, like I don't, I don'tunderstand any of that stuff.
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So, uh, always like would writeabout and connect cool people
changing the world.
And now I write about andconnect cool people changing the
world.
So nothing has changed in that,in that purpose.
And then, as a journalist or anentrepreneur who happens to be
a journalist, it's deep empathy,deep, deep, deep, deep, deep
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empathy and sensitivity,especially I repeat, especially
for people who don't makeexcuses.
So I would always surroundmyself unconsciously no, it's
definitely conscious, butunconsciously with people that
never make excuses, no matterhow difficult their life has
been.
Um, and the world's topvisionaries are the ones that,
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uh, for the most part, have hadthe most things to overcome, and
then they've made no excusesever.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
So, as a journalist, like you know, during your time,
you know you say you, youdescribe yourself as an
entrepreneur.
Who's a journalist?
Was there any particular storyyou came across or person you
whom you've come across that wasa game changer for you, that
really tugged at the strings ofyour heart.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I mean there's hundreds, thousands, thousands.
Jessica Neese always comes back.
She died in a car crash.
This is when I was firststarting, 15.
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15, she died in a car crash.
And softball player.
And then I interviewed herparents after that in their
backyard.
It was a nice day that day, itwas sunny, and so this was
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probably 1999 or 2000.
So you know, quarter centuryago, and the parents didn't make
any excuses.
There were a lot of tears, butthey I was I don't know if
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impressed is the right word, butI appreciated.
I appreciated how fearless theywere, even though they had just
lost their daughter.
It was very impressive to methat one always stands out.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I'm really sorry to hear about that, but it seemed
like, too, that out of that,that, but it seemed like too
that out of that, you were ableto, you know, connect with the
family, connect and get some,you know, realness with them.
That propelled you in some ways.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Oh well, thanks for I appreciate you saying that.
Um, uh, you know you and I areboth uh, 11 life paths.
In numerology that's very rare,it's a master number and 11s
are the most spiritual mice,most psychic, most sensitive Um,
um, so, unless, unless I'mbeing interviewed like this, I
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don't really talk that much, I'drather listen.
But what I hear?
The two words that I hear mostin one-on-one conversations now,
when I say now over the lastfew years, the two words I hear
the most are refreshing.
This is the most refreshingconversation I've had in years,
because we never.
The word business means anxietyby Zignus becomes, you know,
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comes from the word by Zignus.
So we never talk about businessstuff.
I don't really like talkingabout that because it means
anxiety, and so I hear the wordrefreshing.
The second word I hear morethan anything is nourishing,
nourishing conversations.
I guess those are two goodwords refreshing and nourishing.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Well, thank you, I'm glad you're finding this
nourishing and refreshing andyou know I'm glad and honored
we're having this conversationtoday.
So tell us how did you get intothis numerology and the life
path, like what brought youthere and how does that connect
with your idea of visionaries?
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Oh well, what happens is is when it's a singular
purpose of connectingvisionaries to serve humanity
and all you do all day is talkto visionaries who are serving
humanity, or people that will dowhatever it takes to become
those people Then you hear aboutthese things, you hear about
them and then you're like, oh,that's interesting, let's look
into that.
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So you know, I guess I woulddescribe myself as an intuitive
activator.
It's like pure intuition.
And then I can listen to 100things and 99 of them will be to
me.
They'll be totally useless.
But then there'll be one thingthat I'm like oh, wow, that's
really interesting.
So I don't know, in the past,uh, two months, numerology came
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in, came into that world.
I'm like, oh, that'sinteresting.
And or human design, that'sinteresting.
Or akashic readings, that'sinteresting.
Or all this spirituality.
Because, to simplify all this,what I've learned I'm 47 in
human years, but what I'velearned is to simplify it is,
logic only goes so far after,after that, the only logic is
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illogic and love.
So, like my entire life.
Now, logically, would be veryhard for most people to
understand because it doesn't.
There's no logic behind it,doesn't?
It doesn't make any sense.
But the true visionaries arelike oh, that's just, that's
just how it is.
Um, um.
And then when you realize thatum, that you know you don't
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belong, I guess, in the normalmainstream world, it's like well
, what are you going to do aboutit?
Are you going to complain orretreat into a cave, or are you
just going to create your ownworld and then help the most
people in that world?
And so that's what I'm in theprocess of doing, that is,
creating already have createdown world, but then showing
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people or revealing people,revealing to people what the
world is through books or songsor whatever, speaking um,
whatever that means, and thenwe'll see what happens with that
.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
I'm not attached to any outcome well, how would you
describe a visionary?
You use that term, visionary,and so how would that be if you
had to define it for people?
To break it down, for others tounderstand, how would you
define it?
Speaker 2 (13:30):
great, that's a great , that's good, that's a good
question.
Yeah, um, it's a good question,um, what I, what I have seen,
is, with a true visionary, theyhave both high iq and and high
eq, um, um, so high iq that youknow.
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That makes sense.
So, and then I'll just explain.
So the high iq without the eq,what you see, there is a lot of
folks in finance or law or um,see a lot of folks in finance or
law, or see a lot ofnarcissists there, a lot of
people that can scale things,but there's no like soul or
essence.
Fine, okay, so, totally fine.
By the way, there's no judgment, it's just how I see the world.
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And then if you have the highEQ without the high IQ, then you
have, like, street fair vendor,hippie playing guitar, uh, on
the street, by the way, totallyfine.
Um, small nonprofit, totallyfine.
So the true visionary has both.
They have the EQ, they leadwith the heart, they lead with
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the gut, intuition, but thenthey have the IQ to um, to
capitalize on that.
They have the IQ to mechanizethat heart, because having the
heart's amazing, but if youdon't have the ability to
mechanize it and then find thepeople to mechanize it, help you
mechanize it, then it's not thehighest value of heart.
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So I see the true visionariesboth having the high IQ.
They have the high EQ and thenthey have the IQ that matches it
.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
And so, with people who have both a high IQ and the
EQ, what do you see them mostlikely doing as a visionary?
Like, how, like, how are theypresenting themselves to the
world?
Like what, what have younoticed?
Are there any common themesthat you've seen with?
You know describing this kindof prototype, if you will.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Oh, yeah, yeah, it's an you're, you're very strategic
and then you can.
It's fine.
I appreciate that.
I appreciate it, and then I'm arelator, so then I'll relate to
your question the way you askedit, because it helps you and it
helps your audience.
So I'll relate to the way yousimplify things.
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Most of them are wealthy.
Money is energy.
Most are wealthy.
Most are running companies thatreally help people.
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First and foremost Doesn'tmatter employee count, foremost,
um doesn't matter employeecount, or you know it doesn't.
That doesn't matter um, butthey're, they're running.
Six, quote-unquote in humanterms, successful companies, um.
Three uh, I've only seen fourtypes of visionaries.
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Only I've, or whatever you wantto type, whatever one is.
Add adhd.
That's almost everyone I talkto.
Whether it's diagnosed orundiagnosed, it's not a disorder
, sign of genius mislabeled byhumans, uh.
Two, uh, autism, asperger's,whatever it's called.
Now I don't um my wife, who adoctor, has unofficially
diagnosed me with that.
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I mean, there's no doubt thatI'm on the spectrum, but
everyone I talk to is on thespectrum in some capacity.
Three is dyslexia.
Probably 30% of the people Italk to are dyslexic, and if you
can't learn that way, then youlearn a different way.
And then four, again to doubledown on what I said before, they
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all have high iq and high eq.
You have to have both um, um.
And then they always think ofother people first, always um,
without exception.
They always ask how they canhelp first.
It's very interesting.
The narcissists are the onesthat only talk about themselves
and they always ask how they canhelp first.
It's very interesting.
The narcissists are the onesthat only talk about themselves
and they never see how they canhelp you.
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Very sensitive to that, very,very, very, very sensitive to
that, as I imagine you are aswell.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Sure, sure, no, absolutely.
And I think you know it'sinteresting that you mentioned
narcissists, because when youare an empath, you know you tend
to attract because of thatright we can.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
I can understand you.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I can understand where you're coming from.
So I get that idea of havingthings, kind of having a system
to work together through thingsand recognizing patterns,
because that's how you makesense of your world, right,
right, so you using.
So it seems to me like you used, you figured out a way, then,
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right, to use these patternsthat you're able to put together
, to mechanize with it.
Right, you know, leading withthe heart, finding a way to
mechanize with it using the IQportion, you know, alongside the
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emotional quotient, you know EQ.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
You figured that out.
So tell us what that journey islike for you to kind of
navigate through that, becauseyou know the way I look at it is
.
You know, everybody has droppedin the maze of life, right,
everybody has their own maze andwhat everyone's maze looks like
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is different.
So it seems like you figuredout your paths in the maze that
you were dropped in, and I justkind of want to know what that
process was like for you, howyou got you know, what led you
then to you know, really take inthe numerology what really led
you to, led you down the pathsthat it led you to, whether it
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be with music, whether it bewith, you know, you wrote that
book, epic Life, which is, youknow, which I just you know,
which is just amazing, which is,you know, bestseller on
multiple platforms.
Tell us how that was, you know,how did that?
What was that like for you,that journey, to put everything
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together?
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Well, the new book.
I'm grateful Dr Deepak Choprais doing the intro for next book
, so that book's called EpicJourney.
So that's funny, you keepsaying journey.
But so I'll simplify it as muchas possible.
So most and this is fine, no,there's no judgment, just I see
things.
So most of the world overthinkseverything and they never
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actually do anything.
They just think what does thismean?
What?
Well, what is what?
What wait, what does that mean?
What is that?
Well, and then you haven't doneanything.
So I'm the opposite of that.
I don't overthink anything, Ijust um and um.
And then when you talk tovisionaries all day, most, not
all, but most of the ideas, thegreat ideas that come into my
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life are from other visionaries,and then most of them have add,
so they'll just ramble, andthen 99 out of 100 will not be a
good let's.
I'll even double down on that999 out of a thousand will be
not good ideas, but I'll knowthe one, at least in my heart,
that's a good one.
And I'm an intuitive activator.
I'm like, oh, that's a good.
So it's just a constant um.
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Discernment, galvanizing, uh,you know, from talking to the
most interesting people on theplanet.
And then discernment, uh, youknow, realizing what's the most
important, one or two ideas, andthen galvanize, mechanize,
create a book out of it, createa song company out of it, create
a mastermind out of it, okay,so then here's this.
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Here, this kind of maybe answersyour question too.
So this is one of the books I'mreading currently.
I'm reading like 20 bookscurrently, but this one is
called Love and the SoulCreating a Future for Earth.
It's really good, okay, reallygood.
Yeah, most people aren'treading a book like this, but I
so, um, but, and then this book,besides man's search for
meaning, uh, victor frankl, butvictor frankl, which, to me,
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that that just can't be topped.
I mean, I guess it could, butto me, I, just because of his
bravery, but, um, so this one,besides man's search for meaning
, this has the best, um, I think, definition of purpose or
meaning of life that I've seencurrently, and again, I'm 47
years old in human terms, butokay, so I'll read what, what it
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says.
So there is a tremendous void oflove and thus of soul in the
world.
This void does not remain empty, but is taken up primarily by
scientific, technological andeconomic materialism, which
would try to make a world fullof substitutes for love and soul
.
So you have people are theirsouls, or the love, but then
it's getting replaced bymaterialism because people
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aren't looking into their ownheart.
Okay, so.
So then the key and this isliterally it simplified
everything that I guess you want, whatever you want to say that
I'm doing or creating or helping.
So okay, technology must be metat every step by an equal
interest in how soul canactually function in the world,
the challenge of practicing soulwork in the world.
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Only the very essence of soulas love, worked out in concrete
and specific ways, can balancethese world powers.
So what this music company is isit's soul work in a actual tent
.
Creating your own songs withartificial intelligence.
That's a really good way ofshowcasing love and soul.
A mastermind where you connectthe world's top visionaries.
Doing a book where deepakchopra's writing the
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introduction that's a good wayto have a concrete.
So like and talk is meaninglessto me.
I don't, I don't.
People talk.
They don't create anythingtangible.
That's totally meaningless tome.
Do something about what you'resaying or what you're feeling.
So that's, that's what I'veseen is the best besides man's
search for meaning, bestshowcase of purpose that I've.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
That I've seen so it seems like you're getting a lot
of these ideas based off of likephilosophies of others and of
theory of mind of other people.
Heart, heart, heart, too right.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
No heart first.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Heart first, so heart first.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
The visionary always leads with the heart, you know.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
So the visionary always leads with the heart, but
it's also the heart and mindthen too yeah, correct that will
go together, right.
So then it's just so.
It seems like you're really so,it seems like you're very.
You have a very um attunedsense for picking these things
out, which is a very?
Um niche talent that you have,because a lot of people no, no,
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no.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
11 life paths are the most intuitive.
It's very rare to be an 11.
That's what that's my point,cause you're like well, this
doesn't make any sense, so thenit's nice to have those, I guess
, assessments or whatever.
That like validates the wrongword.
But like, and then in humandesign, I'm a manifester.
That's very rare.
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That's less than 8% of thepopulation.
Most of the world is agenerator or a manifesting
generator or a projector, but amanifester, you can just kind
of're wired and then it kind ofexplains it For me.
It's very helpful to have that,not only for me, but then I can
inform others with thatinformation and then I never
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stop learning.
But no, if everyone was likethis, it'd be a disaster
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no-transcript about.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Like life path number and you talk about human design
.
How can people figure out whattheir life path number is and
tell us a little bit or what youknow about human design so
people can better understandthese?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
oh, oh well, um, if you just um LifePath, all you do
is you add up the individualnumbers in your birth date and
then most people are between a 1and 9, and then there's three
master numbers 11s, which iswhat you and I are, 22s I only
know two 22s and then 33s.
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Those are the biggest empaths.
They want to take care ofeverybody, but most people are
one through nine.
And then human design.
If you just Google human design, there's a million sites where
you can just plug in some.
You need your name, which I'mguessing most people have your
birthday, the actual time ofbirth and then where you were
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born.
So, and it's what I found withboth life path and human design,
they're freakishly accurate.
It's it's, I guess, kind ofcreepy, like I don't know how,
like no one's ever argued any ofit.
Um, um, and again there's like,no, it's just, you know, it's
just when you were born.
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So, um, uh, it's, it'sfascinating to, to know these
kind of things, and then I lookat them as like, uh, they're
kind of guides for me, um, andthen I can help guide other
people.
Another good one is gene keys.
Uh, g-e-n-e gene keys.
That one's funny because, uh,that's you also like you know,
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name.
And then, when you were born andthe funniest part of that one
for me is there's no one for meto follow, Like I literally have
no one I go thanks a lot, butthat makes sense, Uh, and then
the beauty behind that is, thenyou can create your own path
that others, uh will you know,be inspired by here the word
inspire a lot.
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You're so inspiring yeah sothat's, that's good, um, but um,
um.
And then a manifestor in humandesign.
Uh, they have to inform peoplehow they feel, not to cause
problems, but to create peace.
So if I love someone, I have totell them I love them.
If you're annoying me, I haveto tell you you're annoying me.
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If you're not going fast enough, I have to like.
So it's not to cause problemsat all, it's just to be to
create peace.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
In this situation, manifestors have to explain how
they feel was there ever a timeyou had to explain how you felt?
And it was a hard situation.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Every day.
Yeah, every day, but again,that's why most people can't
handle being like this.
Most 11 life paths and actuallymost manifestors, they retreat,
they give up, they can't handleit, and I can even tell by that
question, one that was uhpersonal for you.
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You're like, oh god, oh, I'm sotired of being like this and no
one understands me, uh, and solike, and I appreciate that, um,
and it's also for your audience, but like they're at the
highest level, there are noexcuses and there is no choice.
That's what people also maymight need to understand about a
visionary, the true visionary.
There is no choice.
No, not, it's a higher level,it's a commandment from a higher
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power, no choice.
And most people make excusesthere's at the highest level,
there's no, you just have to doit.
Um, it's just.
And then the other thing is thenarcissist.
They think it's about them, allof this stuff.
You know, god, or whatever youwant to call it, higher power,
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tao, this is all a gift.
That's what the book's about.
People are the Epic Journeybook.
People are.
They're given these gifts fromhigher power, whatever you want
to call it, and then most peoplewill never find out what they
are.
They don't use them, and so I'mlike, I know what, I've been
instructed to do, so now I'mgoing to do it, and there's just
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no choice, you have to do it.
So, and most people can'tunderstand that, which is okay.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Right.
And I think you know what setsyou know people apart is those
that are not afraid of failureversus I don't even believe in
that word.
Yeah, I'm not afraid of iteither, to be honest, because I
feel like I've faced it before.
You know, and I know you knowthat, honestly, all it was was
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another way, a redirection right, and I'm not afraid if
something doesn't work out.
I'm not afraid of it because Iknow what that feels like.
So I'm not afraid Most peopleyou know that you're saying that
you know most people when theydon't find their gifts, or if
they're given gifts and they'renot really finding out what they
are or they're not reallymaximizing on their talent or
(31:00):
potential.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
I think a lot of this is because of that fear.
No, that's all what it is, andit's fine.
I'm looking for this good quote.
Where are you?
I'll find it.
I've been reading a lot of CarlJung and Robert Johnson.
Robert Johnson did a lot ofshadow work.
Yes, oh, you know Robert.
(31:26):
Yes, see, most people don'tknow Robert Johnson.
So my favorite quote of RobertJohnson, paraphrasing it, is for
a select few, there's adetermination to seek liberation
from social hypnosis.
For a select few, there is adetermination to seek liberation
from social hypnosis.
There, for a select few, thereis a determination to seek
liberation from social hypnosis.
So that's, you know, uh, theworld's conditioned by all these
(31:48):
things.
Uh, you know, uh, in the matrixor whatever that is.
And then, like, the wordbusiness means anxiety.
So when people are talkingabout business, they're just
talking about anxiety.
That's why it's so.
But the word sale means dulland dirty.
Uh, average means damage to aship.
Uh, mask, uh, most people areliving in material world, which
(32:11):
is a mask, m-a-s-q-u-e, whichmeans fool.
So that's just what it is.
Oh, yeah, so, um, in carlyoung's um, uh, his memoir,
which is called memories, dreamsand reflections.
This is a good book.
You talked about fear.
So wherever there is a reachingdown into innermost experience,
into the nucleus of personality, most people are overcome by
(32:32):
fright and many run away.
So the biggest fear is lookinginto yourself, embracing those
shadow behaviors into yourself.
Um, embracing those shadowbehaviors, uh, really
understanding yourself.
And looking inward to to healyourself, practice, uh,
self-love, compassion, uh, whenin the past 12 months I'd say
(32:53):
that's the thing I've learnedthe most, um, which is which is
good?
Uh, and then creating thingsthat help people learn that as
well.
So that's the biggest and it'svery painful to really look into
yourself.
Very difficult because the egois very manipulative, very
(33:13):
tricky.
It's very difficult tosurrender to outcomes because
the ego is like trying toprotect you, which I get it very
logical.
You know we survive, you knowpeople survive, but surrendering
fully to that higher power,that's like the last.
I'm almost there, very close tothat.
I think I'm there, pretty closeto it, and so that's exciting,
(33:40):
but it's like it's constant.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
It's constant learning and constant working on
yourself, because you canalways improve absolutely, and
in your journey, um, that you'vebeen doing over the past 12
months or so, you know, whenyou've been looking inward to
heal you, to when you've beenlooking inward to practice self
(34:02):
love and self-compassion andlooking for ways to improve what
are some of the biggest lessonsyou've learned in doing these
reflections and doing the workon yourself?
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Oh, so many.
The number one thing is youcannot control any outcome.
Surrendering control theoutcomes.
Really difficult, really reallydifficult, really really
(34:39):
difficult.
But what I found is being injust a flow and being open to
any opportunity that just kindof floats along.
It's this really fascinatingexperience.
Like I mean, I uh, to timestampthis, it's january 7th, so I
just started writing songs on AI.
The first one I did wasNovember 23rd.
And then so to create a companyout of that already, like that,
(35:03):
you know, I never would havethought that.
And then there's all this otherstuff within the music industry
that's happening.
Um, I mean, 12 months ago, I, I,you know, about 12 months ago,
I went to New York to ring theNASDAQ bell at a closing
(35:26):
ceremony.
I'm like, well, that soundslike a good idea.
And then ran into, uh, drDeepak Chopra there for
literally two seconds, took aphoto with him, and then, and uh
, when I was working on thisthird book, I'd be like, oh,
it'd be nice if he did theintroduction for it.
And then now he's doing theintroduction for us.
So, like, learning all thesethings and and uh, taking, uh,
(35:51):
taking care of yourself first,compassion for yourself and
self-love then, then all thesethings kind of happen.
Um, but I can't stress enough,it's, it's very difficult, um,
it's, it's very difficult beinglike this and it's um, and, and
people think, like, being avisionary is this easy, this joy
(36:14):
?
Right, it's, it's the oppositeof that.
It's the opposite of that.
But the true visionary will dowhatever it takes to not only
help themselves, but help helpthe world in the process.
Um, no matter what, and um,it's a, it's a, it's a gift to
be given those type of abilities, and I don't take them for
(36:35):
granted.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
And Justin, you're doing such an amazing job with
everything that you are doing.
Thanks, really used yourknowledge and used your.
You know this amazing niche oftalent, that you have this gift,
that you have to make impact onthe world and you have some big
(37:05):
things coming up right.
So you have another book comingout.
You know Dr Deepak Chopra iswriting your introduction, which
is huge you have.
You know, you just started yourown company for music.
Can you tell us about thecompany you just started, the
one you're able to talk about?
Speaker 2 (37:25):
It's called Corviaai, c-o-r-v-i-aai.
So core means heart, courage,via means path.
(37:49):
And then my partner, eric,within the company.
He's a tech genius.
He's had multiple exits.
He's really good at, like,building things, um.
And then he and I uh, he and Iwere both born on April 10th.
He's a little bit younger thanme but we both have the same
birthday and, uh, you know,we're great friends.
And then, I don't know, for thepast six months or so, we were
just talking about, uh, all thecommonalities we had in our, in
(38:10):
our lives and how we justessentially understood each
other.
And then I started writingthese songs Again November 23rd
this hasn't been that long andthen a couple of weeks ago, he
and I were just talking, so wetalked one or two times a week.
It was like, oh, these songsare the best way to practice
(38:32):
self-care because you can makethese songs.
I'm going to be teaching peoplehow to make songs through ai,
where you write your own lyricsor use ai to help you with that,
and then you, you know, youmake music out of it very
quickly.
But these songs that he and Iboth discovered, it's like it's
the like the fastest track intoself-care, very quickly and then
tapping into your own heart andsoul, and so this company will
(38:56):
be able to scale that on aglobal level very quickly,
create a massive community andEric's good at that kind of
thing and then I have a giantnetwork through all the other
stuff I'm doing.
Um, it's very exciting.
(39:18):
Uh, you know starting thatbecause, um, because it'll help
a lot of people, um, and thenI'll be speaking about that
around the the world and then,you know, tying the book into it
and all those, all those thingsas well.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
So it'll and it'll never stop, it'll just evolve
however it's supposed to so, aswe're going to be wrapping up
here, what would you say is thehardest part?
Now, you'd mentioned somethingabout it's not easy to be a
visionary.
What would you say is one ofthe hardest parts of being a
visionary, and what can you say?
(39:47):
What advice and inspiration canyou give to others?
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Well, if you're not a litmus test for people you
serve, that's hypocrisy.
So the people I serve arevisionaries, visionaries serving
humanity.
So I'm a visionary servinghumanity, so I'll answer it in
that context.
Context.
Uh, the hardest thing for meand I'm well, I, I mean, I know
(40:18):
this, but I'll just say I'mguessing for most visionaries is
being patient and waiting forother people, the rest of the
world, to catch up.
So, a visionary again, all I dois talk to visionaries.
They know they're intuitive,they leave with their heart,
they they see what's happening,they see what's going to happen
and then you know it could takemonths, it could take years, it
(40:43):
might not be in this lifetime.
It's waiting for others tocatch up to them, and the word
patience literally meanssuffering.
That's what patience actuallymeans.
So the greatest leaders, thegreatest visionaries, will
endure the most suffering, havethe most patience.
(41:04):
But for me personally, as anactivator and someone who just
likes to get stuff done I'm ahigh, quick start, like it just
let's go, go, go, go.
It's very difficult for me Um,um, and then, as a manifester, I
have to tell people how I feeland then it's waiting for them
(41:25):
to like, understand that, um, orthey might never understand
that um, um, that everything I'msaying or communicating is not
said in any way to be mean ordisrespectful.
It's said because it's justpurely from the heart.
Um, and that's very, it's verydifficult, um, and that's why
(41:49):
most, most visionaries are 11life paths or manifestors.
They can't handle it.
They just stop talking topeople in general because
they're like they're going toget misunderstood or rejected or
and I'll just keep going like Ijust you just keep going,
because the true visionary notonly sees the most value and
(42:11):
potential in themselves, butthey see it in others too.
I see the true potential inpeople, whether or not they see
it in themselves yet.
So if I see that, I will tellthem and just be like you're
capable of so much more.
Does that answer your question?
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Oh, absolutely Absolutely, and it makes a lot
of sense.
You know how you feel.
You know, and it's definitely.
I can relate to how it's.
You know how it's difficultwaiting for the world to catch
up, but at the same time, I feellike it also could be a
(42:53):
blessing, in a way, if the worldis not caught up yet, because
you are setting an example andcreating your own way, right,
like you know, because sometimesand this is kind of you know I
like to look at life as a maze.
My book is called Dropped in aMaze, right, maze right, and the
(43:15):
way I look at it is we're allgiven a maze of life, right, but
what the maze looks like foreverybody is different, right,
and by you, you know, showingpeople what your maze looks like
and what your path looked like,right, and how many trenches
you probably had to hit.
a lot of trenches, a lot oftrenches, a lot of trenches, A
lot of trenches, a lot of rockyroad, a lot of slippery road, a
lot of you know ones where youcould break your ankle easily,
(43:38):
right, If you took the wrongstep.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
It's one of those things that I feel, by showing
people what you walk throughRight To get to the other side
of that maze and continuing tonavigate the other side of that
maze too, Because once one mazeends, another maze starts too.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Oh, well, so for 11 life paths.
There's never an ending,there's no final answer.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Right, but you know, just continuing.
But by you showing people whatyou're going through and walking
through oh, I'm doing thatthat's inspiring to other people
as well, right, and it educatesa world that you know.
And a lot of times you hearneurotyp?
Um people talk about likeneurotypicals.
Right, neurotypicals are forpeople who don't know.
(44:27):
It means somebody who doesn'thave intellectual or cognitive
impairment.
Okay, for neurodivergence,right, people with autism, adhd,
dyslexia, right, even bipolardisorder is under
neurodivergence.
(44:48):
So when you look at people, alot of times you hear especially
those you know from that.
I've heard from people on theautism spectrum, at least that
I've heard of and read thatabout in their writings.
They've said you know, livingin a world not meant for us,
right, I think in a way, by youdoing what you're doing, you're
(45:10):
showing other people that, hey,a new world is possible, of
course, while you're waiting forthat world to catch up, right.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
So it's a blessing and a curse at the same time
it's creating world, own world,in real time and then showing
people what's happening andright that, that and it's okay.
But again, most people won't dothat.
But talk is meaningless to me.
One of my great friends,alfonso James, so he served he's
(45:40):
in the book, in the EpicJourney book.
So he served 30, 34 years inprison for a crime he didn't
commit.
He wasn't even at the scene ofthe crime.
He went 34, and so he that, uh,he was grateful for it.
Uh.
So his quote that he says everyday since 1985, every day, is he
(46:00):
that is perfect is perfectingperfection in me.
He is that he that is perfectis perfecting perfection in me.
And then in human design, he'sa six two like me.
So a six two is the exemplary.
Humanemplary means eitherhighest form of good or total
disaster.
There's no gray like there's no100% black and white.
So he and I were talking aboutwhat it means to be an exemplary
(46:23):
human, either highest form ofgood or total disaster, and he
said it's a blessing and aburden.
Blessing and a burden, yep.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Figure it out.
So, justin, if people wanted toget in contact with you.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
How can they find you ?
Oh, thanks, uh, the main, themain company is the epic fit dot
com.
That's our global mastermind.
And then Corvia dot AI.
Corvia dot AI, that's the musicinitiative company.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
I want to thank you for sharing your insight with us
.
For all who don't know, we areboth going to be at Creative Con
, which is from February 21st tothe 23rd at the
Intercontinental Hotel inChicago.
Both Justin and I will bespeaking at Creative Con con and
we are looking forward tohopefully seeing you know,
(47:33):
especially if you're in thechicago area, many of you um and
um.
Finally, we're going to belooking forward to meeting in
real life irl, like they say you, justin, at creative con.
So see you on the 21st.
The book launch which droppedin the maze will be.
(47:55):
That's the book that will becoming out my book and looking
forward to seeing you there,justin.
And yeah, I'm going to haveeverything about Justin's info
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Hi everyone and welcome to season two of On the
Spectrum with Sonia podcast, apodcast where we talk about
autism spectrum, mental healthand anybody who has overcome any
adversity that helps peoplefeeling inspired and filled with
hope, love, connection,especially in a world where
(00:24):
people are made to feel moredisconnected.
Our aim here is to help peoplefeel empowered and connected and
filled with hope and love andsupport and help people feel
like they can do anything.
Now, today is a very specialday for two reasons.
Not only is it kicking off thefirst day of season two, which
(00:44):
will be episode 29, but we havea very, very special guest with
us Justin Breen.
If you don't know him, he issomebody you are.
The world is going to knowabout in the next few months.
Okay, especially because he hasbig things on the horizon.
Some I can say, some I can't,but you know what he is?
(01:08):
An amazing individual.
We connected right away.
He is a author, a best-sellingauthor, not only on Amazon, but
he has been mentioned on WallStreet Journal's top book list,
also USA Today's top book list,for his book Epic Life, where he
(01:28):
talks about global strategy forcompanies in being able to
balance work-life, which so manypeople struggle with global
companies, how even that's evenmore like tenfold with that.
But Justin has his way ofenvisioning things.
(01:50):
He is a very brilliant personand once you hear what he says
today, you are going to beawestruck.
Okay, and so what Justin hasalso come on here to talk about
with us today, most importantly,is the idea of visionaries
right and how people who areneurodivergent, such as people
(02:14):
with ADHD and autism, forexample, how they are
visionaries, and he has done thenumerology, that life path
numerology to come up with histheories and here to talk about
it more.
Let's just, without further ado, welcome Justin.
Welcome here, justin.
I am super excited you're here.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Thank you, that was a wonderful intro.
Really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Oh well, thank you, Thank you.
So, Justin, now tell us alittle bit about you and what
your passion is in life ofhumanity.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
So I spend my day talking and connecting with most
interesting people on planet,whether that's one-on-one
discussions like this, whetherthey're recorded or not, or
whether it's group sessions inperson or virtually and then,
whether you want to call itneurodivergence or autism or ADD
, adhd the way my heart andbrain kind of connect to each
(03:31):
other, I can see the patterns inthings and then reveal those
patterns or inform people ofthose patterns through books or
companies, or just started asongwriting company, and so it's
understanding kind of the innermeaning of life and then
(03:53):
revealing that to people.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
yep, when did you start noticing that you were
able to connect patternstogether?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Well, I was born April 10th 1977.
April 10th 1977.
That was on Easter Sunday.
That's the only time mybirthday has ever been on Easter
, and my earliest childhoodmemories are of connecting
things, always have done it, um,whether that was um, uh, being
(04:26):
upstairs, uh, staring at maps uh, national geographic maps all
day and just connecting the dots, or the cities, uh, in maps, or
you know, uh, uh.
I was a journalist for 20 yearsbefore starting a visionary
entrepreneur world and as a kidI would, uh, I would record, I
was like I would do my own radioDJ shows where I would like
(04:50):
record how I would communicateand then and then play music on
it as well.
So that's like as a, you know,four or five year old even.
And when I, when I would talkor do the intros, I would make
connection patterns or talkabout what was happening in
society and then blend, you know, the theme of the song into
(05:11):
that.
So I've been doing that mywhole life.
It's never really it's.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I've always been like that and you went to college
then for journalism at u of Ichampaign urbana, yes, and did
you always kind of then knowthat that's what you wanted to
do, is be like a journalist?
Did you always kind of know,like from a young age, that this
(05:41):
is what you've wanted?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, so that's a good question.
I would describe it as anentrepreneur who happened to be
a journalist or a visionary whohappened to be a journalist.
People like us are usuallyaliens within our own family,
community and verticals.
The only people that understandus are other aliens.
So technically, yes, I was ajournalist and really like
(06:07):
mostly listening to people andthen simplifying what I hear
into a story and then again nowbooks or songs or whatever,
whatever that is.
But as an entrepreneur whohappened to be a journalist, I
never understood like negativenews or political stuff or crime
, like I don't, I don'tunderstand any of that stuff.
(06:30):
So, uh, always like would writeabout and connect cool people
changing the world.
And now I write about andconnect cool people changing the
world.
So nothing has changed in that,in that purpose.
And then, as a journalist or anentrepreneur who happens to be
a journalist, it's deep empathy,deep, deep, deep, deep, deep
(06:52):
empathy and sensitivity,especially I repeat, especially
for people who don't makeexcuses.
So I would always surroundmyself unconsciously no, it's
definitely conscious, butunconsciously with people that
never make excuses, no matterhow difficult their life has
been.
Um, and the world's topvisionaries are the ones that,
(07:15):
uh, for the most part, have hadthe most things to overcome, and
then they've made no excusesever.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
So, as a journalist, like you know, during your time,
you know you say you, youdescribe yourself as an
entrepreneur.
Who's a journalist?
Was there any particular storyyou came across or person you
whom you've come across that wasa game changer for you, that
really tugged at the strings ofyour heart.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I mean there's hundreds, thousands, thousands.
Jessica Neese always comes back.
She died in a car crash.
This is when I was firststarting, 15.
(08:11):
15, she died in a car crash.
And softball player.
And then I interviewed herparents after that in their
backyard.
It was a nice day that day, itwas sunny, and so this was
(08:31):
probably 1999 or 2000.
So you know, quarter centuryago, and the parents didn't make
any excuses.
There were a lot of tears, butthey I was I don't know if
(08:52):
impressed is the right word, butI appreciated.
I appreciated how fearless theywere, even though they had just
lost their daughter.
It was very impressive to methat one always stands out.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I'm really sorry to hear about that, but it seemed
like, too, that out of that,that, but it seemed like too
that out of that, you were ableto, you know, connect with the
family, connect and get some,you know, realness with them.
That propelled you in some ways.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Oh well, thanks for I appreciate you saying that.
Um, uh, you know you and I areboth uh, 11 life paths.
In numerology that's very rare,it's a master number and 11s
are the most spiritual mice,most psychic, most sensitive Um,
um, so, unless, unless I'mbeing interviewed like this, I
(10:06):
don't really talk that much, I'drather listen.
But what I hear?
The two words that I hear mostin one-on-one conversations now,
when I say now over the lastfew years, the two words I hear
the most are refreshing.
This is the most refreshingconversation I've had in years,
because we never.
The word business means anxietyby Zignus becomes, you know,
(10:29):
comes from the word by Zignus.
So we never talk about businessstuff.
I don't really like talkingabout that because it means
anxiety, and so I hear the wordrefreshing.
The second word I hear morethan anything is nourishing,
nourishing conversations.
I guess those are two goodwords refreshing and nourishing.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Well, thank you, I'm glad you're finding this
nourishing and refreshing andyou know I'm glad and honored
we're having this conversationtoday.
So tell us how did you get intothis numerology and the life
path, like what brought youthere and how does that connect
with your idea of visionaries?
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Oh well, what happens is is when it's a singular
purpose of connectingvisionaries to serve humanity
and all you do all day is talkto visionaries who are serving
humanity, or people that will dowhatever it takes to become
those people Then you hear aboutthese things, you hear about
them and then you're like, oh,that's interesting, let's look
into that.
(11:28):
So you know, I guess I woulddescribe myself as an intuitive
activator.
It's like pure intuition.
And then I can listen to 100things and 99 of them will be to
me.
They'll be totally useless.
But then there'll be one thingthat I'm like oh, wow, that's
really interesting.
So I don't know, in the past,uh, two months, numerology came
(11:52):
in, came into that world.
I'm like, oh, that'sinteresting.
And or human design, that'sinteresting.
Or akashic readings, that'sinteresting.
Or all this spirituality.
Because, to simplify all this,what I've learned I'm 47 in
human years, but what I'velearned is to simplify it is,
logic only goes so far after,after that, the only logic is
(12:15):
illogic and love.
So, like my entire life.
Now, logically, would be veryhard for most people to
understand because it doesn't.
There's no logic behind it,doesn't?
It doesn't make any sense.
But the true visionaries arelike oh, that's just, that's
just how it is.
Um, um.
And then when you realize thatum, that you know you don't
(12:40):
belong, I guess, in the normalmainstream world, it's like well
, what are you going to do aboutit?
Are you going to complain orretreat into a cave, or are you
just going to create your ownworld and then help the most
people in that world?
And so that's what I'm in theprocess of doing, that is,
creating already have createdown world, but then showing
(13:02):
people or revealing people,revealing to people what the
world is through books or songsor whatever, speaking um,
whatever that means, and thenwe'll see what happens with that
.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
I'm not attached to any outcome well, how would you
describe a visionary?
You use that term, visionary,and so how would that be if you
had to define it for people?
To break it down, for others tounderstand, how would you
define it?
Speaker 2 (13:30):
great, that's a great , that's good, that's a good
question.
Yeah, um, it's a good question,um, what I, what I have seen,
is, with a true visionary, theyhave both high iq and and high
eq, um, um, so high iq that youknow.
(13:50):
That makes sense.
So, and then I'll just explain.
So the high iq without the eq,what you see, there is a lot of
folks in finance or law or um,see a lot of folks in finance or
law, or see a lot ofnarcissists there, a lot of
people that can scale things,but there's no like soul or
essence.
Fine, okay, so, totally fine.
By the way, there's no judgment, it's just how I see the world.
(14:13):
And then if you have the highEQ without the high IQ, then you
have, like, street fair vendor,hippie playing guitar, uh, on
the street, by the way, totallyfine.
Um, small nonprofit, totallyfine.
So the true visionary has both.
They have the EQ, they leadwith the heart, they lead with
(14:34):
the gut, intuition, but thenthey have the IQ to um, to
capitalize on that.
They have the IQ to mechanizethat heart, because having the
heart's amazing, but if youdon't have the ability to
mechanize it and then find thepeople to mechanize it, help you
mechanize it, then it's not thehighest value of heart.
(14:56):
So I see the true visionariesboth having the high IQ.
They have the high EQ and thenthey have the IQ that matches it
.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
And so, with people who have both a high IQ and the
EQ, what do you see them mostlikely doing as a visionary?
Like, how, like, how are theypresenting themselves to the
world?
Like what, what have younoticed?
Are there any common themesthat you've seen with?
You know describing this kindof prototype, if you will.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Oh, yeah, yeah, it's an you're, you're very strategic
and then you can.
It's fine.
I appreciate that.
I appreciate it, and then I'm arelator, so then I'll relate to
your question the way you askedit, because it helps you and it
helps your audience.
So I'll relate to the way yousimplify things.
(15:59):
Most of them are wealthy.
Money is energy.
Most are wealthy.
Most are running companies thatreally help people.
(16:19):
First and foremost Doesn'tmatter employee count, foremost,
um doesn't matter employeecount, or you know it doesn't.
That doesn't matter um, butthey're, they're running.
Six, quote-unquote in humanterms, successful companies, um.
Three uh, I've only seen fourtypes of visionaries.
(16:42):
Only I've, or whatever you wantto type, whatever one is.
Add adhd.
That's almost everyone I talkto.
Whether it's diagnosed orundiagnosed, it's not a disorder
, sign of genius mislabeled byhumans, uh.
Two, uh, autism, asperger's,whatever it's called.
Now I don't um my wife, who adoctor, has unofficially
diagnosed me with that.
(17:03):
I mean, there's no doubt thatI'm on the spectrum, but
everyone I talk to is on thespectrum in some capacity.
Three is dyslexia.
Probably 30% of the people Italk to are dyslexic, and if you
can't learn that way, then youlearn a different way.
And then four, again to doubledown on what I said before, they
(17:25):
all have high iq and high eq.
You have to have both um, um.
And then they always think ofother people first, always um,
without exception.
They always ask how they canhelp first.
It's very interesting.
The narcissists are the onesthat only talk about themselves
and they always ask how they canhelp first.
It's very interesting.
The narcissists are the onesthat only talk about themselves
and they never see how they canhelp you.
(17:46):
Very sensitive to that, very,very, very, very sensitive to
that, as I imagine you are aswell.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Sure, sure, no, absolutely.
And I think you know it'sinteresting that you mentioned
narcissists, because when youare an empath, you know you tend
to attract because of thatright we can.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
I can understand you.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I can understand where you're coming from.
So I get that idea of havingthings, kind of having a system
to work together through thingsand recognizing patterns,
because that's how you makesense of your world, right,
right, so you using.
So it seems to me like you used, you figured out a way, then,
(18:45):
right, to use these patternsthat you're able to put together
, to mechanize with it.
Right, you know, leading withthe heart, finding a way to
mechanize with it using the IQportion, you know, alongside the
(19:08):
emotional quotient, you know EQ.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
You figured that out.
So tell us what that journey islike for you to kind of
navigate through that, becauseyou know the way I look at it is
.
You know, everybody has droppedin the maze of life, right,
everybody has their own maze andwhat everyone's maze looks like
(19:35):
is different.
So it seems like you figuredout your paths in the maze that
you were dropped in, and I justkind of want to know what that
process was like for you, howyou got you know, what led you
then to you know, really take inthe numerology what really led
you to, led you down the pathsthat it led you to, whether it
(19:58):
be with music, whether it bewith, you know, you wrote that
book, epic Life, which is, youknow, which I just you know,
which is just amazing, which is,you know, bestseller on
multiple platforms.
Tell us how that was, you know,how did that?
What was that like for you,that journey, to put everything
(20:20):
together?
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Well, the new book.
I'm grateful Dr Deepak Choprais doing the intro for next book
, so that book's called EpicJourney.
So that's funny, you keepsaying journey.
But so I'll simplify it as muchas possible.
So most and this is fine, no,there's no judgment, just I see
things.
So most of the world overthinkseverything and they never
(20:42):
actually do anything.
They just think what does thismean?
What?
Well, what is what?
What wait, what does that mean?
What is that?
Well, and then you haven't doneanything.
So I'm the opposite of that.
I don't overthink anything, Ijust um and um.
And then when you talk tovisionaries all day, most, not
all, but most of the ideas, thegreat ideas that come into my
(21:04):
life are from other visionaries,and then most of them have add,
so they'll just ramble, andthen 99 out of 100 will not be a
good let's.
I'll even double down on that999 out of a thousand will be
not good ideas, but I'll knowthe one, at least in my heart,
that's a good one.
And I'm an intuitive activator.
I'm like, oh, that's a good.
So it's just a constant um.
(21:26):
Discernment, galvanizing, uh,you know, from talking to the
most interesting people on theplanet.
And then discernment, uh, youknow, realizing what's the most
important, one or two ideas, andthen galvanize, mechanize,
create a book out of it, createa song company out of it, create
a mastermind out of it, okay,so then here's this.
(21:47):
Here, this kind of maybe answersyour question too.
So this is one of the books I'mreading currently.
I'm reading like 20 bookscurrently, but this one is
called Love and the SoulCreating a Future for Earth.
It's really good, okay, reallygood.
Yeah, most people aren'treading a book like this, but I
so, um, but, and then this book,besides man's search for
meaning, uh, victor frankl, butvictor frankl, which, to me,
(22:09):
that that just can't be topped.
I mean, I guess it could, butto me, I, just because of his
bravery, but, um, so this one,besides man's search for meaning
, this has the best, um, I think, definition of purpose or
meaning of life that I've seencurrently, and again, I'm 47
years old in human terms, butokay, so I'll read what, what it
(22:30):
says.
So there is a tremendous void oflove and thus of soul in the
world.
This void does not remain empty, but is taken up primarily by
scientific, technological andeconomic materialism, which
would try to make a world fullof substitutes for love and soul
.
So you have people are theirsouls, or the love, but then
it's getting replaced bymaterialism because people
(22:51):
aren't looking into their ownheart.
Okay, so.
So then the key and this isliterally it simplified
everything that I guess you want, whatever you want to say that
I'm doing or creating or helping.
So okay, technology must be metat every step by an equal
interest in how soul canactually function in the world,
the challenge of practicing soulwork in the world.
(23:13):
Only the very essence of soulas love, worked out in concrete
and specific ways, can balancethese world powers.
So what this music company is isit's soul work in a actual tent
.
Creating your own songs withartificial intelligence.
That's a really good way ofshowcasing love and soul.
A mastermind where you connectthe world's top visionaries.
Doing a book where deepakchopra's writing the
(23:35):
introduction that's a good wayto have a concrete.
So like and talk is meaninglessto me.
I don't, I don't.
People talk.
They don't create anythingtangible.
That's totally meaningless tome.
Do something about what you'resaying or what you're feeling.
So that's, that's what I'veseen is the best besides man's
search for meaning, bestshowcase of purpose that I've.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
That I've seen so it seems like you're getting a lot
of these ideas based off of likephilosophies of others and of
theory of mind of other people.
Heart, heart, heart, too right.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
No heart first.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Heart first, so heart first.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
The visionary always leads with the heart, you know.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
So the visionary always leads with the heart, but
it's also the heart and mindthen too yeah, correct that will
go together, right.
So then it's just so.
It seems like you're really so,it seems like you're very.
You have a very um attunedsense for picking these things
out, which is a very?
Um niche talent that you have,because a lot of people no, no,
(24:43):
no.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
11 life paths are the most intuitive.
It's very rare to be an 11.
That's what that's my point,cause you're like well, this
doesn't make any sense, so thenit's nice to have those, I guess
, assessments or whatever.
That like validates the wrongword.
But like, and then in humandesign, I'm a manifester.
That's very rare.
(25:13):
That's less than 8% of thepopulation.
Most of the world is agenerator or a manifesting
generator or a projector, but amanifester, you can just kind
of're wired and then it kind ofexplains it For me.
It's very helpful to have that,not only for me, but then I can
inform others with thatinformation and then I never
(25:34):
stop learning.
But no, if everyone was likethis, it'd be a disaster
(26:00):
no-transcript about.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Like life path number and you talk about human design
.
How can people figure out whattheir life path number is and
tell us a little bit or what youknow about human design so
people can better understandthese?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
oh, oh well, um, if you just um LifePath, all you do
is you add up the individualnumbers in your birth date and
then most people are between a 1and 9, and then there's three
master numbers 11s, which iswhat you and I are, 22s I only
know two 22s and then 33s.
(26:38):
Those are the biggest empaths.
They want to take care ofeverybody, but most people are
one through nine.
And then human design.
If you just Google human design, there's a million sites where
you can just plug in some.
You need your name, which I'mguessing most people have your
birthday, the actual time ofbirth and then where you were
(26:58):
born.
So, and it's what I found withboth life path and human design,
they're freakishly accurate.
It's it's, I guess, kind ofcreepy, like I don't know how,
like no one's ever argued any ofit.
Um, um, and again there's like,no, it's just, you know, it's
just when you were born.
(27:19):
So, um, uh, it's, it'sfascinating to, to know these
kind of things, and then I lookat them as like, uh, they're
kind of guides for me, um, andthen I can help guide other
people.
Another good one is gene keys.
Uh, g-e-n-e gene keys.
That one's funny because, uh,that's you also like you know,
(27:40):
name.
And then, when you were born andthe funniest part of that one
for me is there's no one for meto follow, Like I literally have
no one I go thanks a lot, butthat makes sense, Uh, and then
the beauty behind that is, thenyou can create your own path
that others, uh will you know,be inspired by here the word
inspire a lot.
(28:01):
You're so inspiring yeah sothat's, that's good, um, but um,
um.
And then a manifestor in humandesign.
Uh, they have to inform peoplehow they feel, not to cause
problems, but to create peace.
So if I love someone, I have totell them I love them.
If you're annoying me, I haveto tell you you're annoying me.
(28:22):
If you're not going fast enough, I have to like.
So it's not to cause problemsat all, it's just to be to
create peace.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
In this situation, manifestors have to explain how
they feel was there ever a timeyou had to explain how you felt?
And it was a hard situation.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Every day.
Yeah, every day, but again,that's why most people can't
handle being like this.
Most 11 life paths and actuallymost manifestors, they retreat,
they give up, they can't handleit, and I can even tell by that
question, one that was uhpersonal for you.
(29:04):
You're like, oh god, oh, I'm sotired of being like this and no
one understands me, uh, and solike, and I appreciate that, um,
and it's also for your audience, but like they're at the
highest level, there are noexcuses and there is no choice.
That's what people also maymight need to understand about a
visionary, the true visionary.
There is no choice.
No, not, it's a higher level,it's a commandment from a higher
(29:28):
power, no choice.
And most people make excusesthere's at the highest level,
there's no, you just have to doit.
Um, it's just.
And then the other thing is thenarcissist.
They think it's about them, allof this stuff.
You know, god, or whatever youwant to call it, higher power,
(29:49):
tao, this is all a gift.
That's what the book's about.
People are the Epic Journeybook.
People are.
They're given these gifts fromhigher power, whatever you want
to call it, and then most peoplewill never find out what they
are.
They don't use them, and so I'mlike, I know what, I've been
instructed to do, so now I'mgoing to do it, and there's just
(30:10):
no choice, you have to do it.
So, and most people can'tunderstand that, which is okay.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Right.
And I think you know what setsyou know people apart is those
that are not afraid of failureversus I don't even believe in
that word.
Yeah, I'm not afraid of iteither, to be honest, because I
feel like I've faced it before.
You know, and I know you knowthat, honestly, all it was was
(30:37):
another way, a redirection right, and I'm not afraid if
something doesn't work out.
I'm not afraid of it because Iknow what that feels like.
So I'm not afraid Most peopleyou know that you're saying that
you know most people when theydon't find their gifts, or if
they're given gifts and they'renot really finding out what they
are or they're not reallymaximizing on their talent or
(31:00):
potential.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
I think a lot of this is because of that fear.
No, that's all what it is, andit's fine.
I'm looking for this good quote.
Where are you?
I'll find it.
I've been reading a lot of CarlJung and Robert Johnson.
Robert Johnson did a lot ofshadow work.
Yes, oh, you know Robert.
(31:26):
Yes, see, most people don'tknow Robert Johnson.
So my favorite quote of RobertJohnson, paraphrasing it, is for
a select few, there's adetermination to seek liberation
from social hypnosis.
For a select few, there is adetermination to seek liberation
from social hypnosis.
There, for a select few, thereis a determination to seek
liberation from social hypnosis.
So that's, you know, uh, theworld's conditioned by all these
(31:48):
things.
Uh, you know, uh, in the matrixor whatever that is.
And then, like, the wordbusiness means anxiety.
So when people are talkingabout business, they're just
talking about anxiety.
That's why it's so.
But the word sale means dulland dirty.
Uh, average means damage to aship.
Uh, mask, uh, most people areliving in material world, which
(32:11):
is a mask, m-a-s-q-u-e, whichmeans fool.
So that's just what it is.
Oh, yeah, so, um, in carlyoung's um, uh, his memoir,
which is called memories, dreamsand reflections.
This is a good book.
You talked about fear.
So wherever there is a reachingdown into innermost experience,
into the nucleus of personality, most people are overcome by
(32:32):
fright and many run away.
So the biggest fear is lookinginto yourself, embracing those
shadow behaviors into yourself.
Um, embracing those shadowbehaviors, uh, really
understanding yourself.
And looking inward to to healyourself, practice, uh,
self-love, compassion, uh, whenin the past 12 months I'd say
(32:53):
that's the thing I've learnedthe most, um, which is which is
good?
Uh, and then creating thingsthat help people learn that as
well.
So that's the biggest and it'svery painful to really look into
yourself.
Very difficult because the egois very manipulative, very
(33:13):
tricky.
It's very difficult tosurrender to outcomes because
the ego is like trying toprotect you, which I get it very
logical.
You know we survive, you knowpeople survive, but surrendering
fully to that higher power,that's like the last.
I'm almost there, very close tothat.
I think I'm there, pretty closeto it, and so that's exciting,
(33:40):
but it's like it's constant.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
It's constant learning and constant working on
yourself, because you canalways improve absolutely, and
in your journey, um, that you'vebeen doing over the past 12
months or so, you know, whenyou've been looking inward to
heal you, to when you've beenlooking inward to practice self
(34:02):
love and self-compassion andlooking for ways to improve what
are some of the biggest lessonsyou've learned in doing these
reflections and doing the workon yourself?
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Oh, so many.
The number one thing is youcannot control any outcome.
Surrendering control theoutcomes.
Really difficult, really reallydifficult, really really
(34:39):
difficult.
But what I found is being injust a flow and being open to
any opportunity that just kindof floats along.
It's this really fascinatingexperience.
Like I mean, I uh, to timestampthis, it's january 7th, so I
just started writing songs on AI.
The first one I did wasNovember 23rd.
And then so to create a companyout of that already, like that,
(35:03):
you know, I never would havethought that.
And then there's all this otherstuff within the music industry
that's happening.
Um, I mean, 12 months ago, I, I,you know, about 12 months ago,
I went to New York to ring theNASDAQ bell at a closing
(35:26):
ceremony.
I'm like, well, that soundslike a good idea.
And then ran into, uh, drDeepak Chopra there for
literally two seconds, took aphoto with him, and then, and uh
, when I was working on thisthird book, I'd be like, oh,
it'd be nice if he did theintroduction for it.
And then now he's doing theintroduction for us.
So, like, learning all thesethings and and uh, taking, uh,
(35:51):
taking care of yourself first,compassion for yourself and
self-love then, then all thesethings kind of happen.
Um, but I can't stress enough,it's, it's very difficult, um,
it's, it's very difficult beinglike this and it's um, and, and
people think, like, being avisionary is this easy, this joy
(36:14):
?
Right, it's, it's the oppositeof that.
It's the opposite of that.
But the true visionary will dowhatever it takes to not only
help themselves, but help helpthe world in the process.
Um, no matter what, and um,it's a, it's a, it's a gift to
be given those type of abilities, and I don't take them for
(36:35):
granted.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
And Justin, you're doing such an amazing job with
everything that you are doing.
Thanks, really used yourknowledge and used your.
You know this amazing niche oftalent, that you have this gift,
that you have to make impact onthe world and you have some big
(37:05):
things coming up right.
So you have another book comingout.
You know Dr Deepak Chopra iswriting your introduction, which
is huge you have.
You know, you just started yourown company for music.
Can you tell us about thecompany you just started, the
one you're able to talk about?
Speaker 2 (37:25):
It's called Corviaai, c-o-r-v-i-aai.
So core means heart, courage,via means path.
(37:49):
And then my partner, eric,within the company.
He's a tech genius.
He's had multiple exits.
He's really good at, like,building things, um.
And then he and I uh, he and Iwere both born on April 10th.
He's a little bit younger thanme but we both have the same
birthday and, uh, you know,we're great friends.
And then, I don't know, for thepast six months or so, we were
just talking about, uh, all thecommonalities we had in our, in
(38:10):
our lives and how we justessentially understood each
other.
And then I started writingthese songs Again November 23rd
this hasn't been that long andthen a couple of weeks ago, he
and I were just talking, so wetalked one or two times a week.
It was like, oh, these songsare the best way to practice
(38:32):
self-care because you can makethese songs.
I'm going to be teaching peoplehow to make songs through ai,
where you write your own lyricsor use ai to help you with that,
and then you, you know, youmake music out of it very
quickly.
But these songs that he and Iboth discovered, it's like it's
the like the fastest track intoself-care, very quickly and then
tapping into your own heart andsoul, and so this company will
(38:56):
be able to scale that on aglobal level very quickly,
create a massive community andEric's good at that kind of
thing and then I have a giantnetwork through all the other
stuff I'm doing.
Um, it's very exciting.
(39:18):
Uh, you know starting thatbecause, um, because it'll help
a lot of people, um, and thenI'll be speaking about that
around the the world and then,you know, tying the book into it
and all those, all those thingsas well.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
So it'll and it'll never stop, it'll just evolve
however it's supposed to so, aswe're going to be wrapping up
here, what would you say is thehardest part?
Now, you'd mentioned somethingabout it's not easy to be a
visionary.
What would you say is one ofthe hardest parts of being a
visionary, and what can you say?
(39:47):
What advice and inspiration canyou give to others?
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Well, if you're not a litmus test for people you
serve, that's hypocrisy.
So the people I serve arevisionaries, visionaries serving
humanity.
So I'm a visionary servinghumanity, so I'll answer it in
that context.
Context.
Uh, the hardest thing for meand I'm well, I, I mean, I know
(40:18):
this, but I'll just say I'mguessing for most visionaries is
being patient and waiting forother people, the rest of the
world, to catch up.
So, a visionary again, all I dois talk to visionaries.
They know they're intuitive,they leave with their heart,
they they see what's happening,they see what's going to happen
and then you know it could takemonths, it could take years, it
(40:43):
might not be in this lifetime.
It's waiting for others tocatch up to them, and the word
patience literally meanssuffering.
That's what patience actuallymeans.
So the greatest leaders, thegreatest visionaries, will
endure the most suffering, havethe most patience.
(41:04):
But for me personally, as anactivator and someone who just
likes to get stuff done I'm ahigh, quick start, like it just
let's go, go, go, go.
It's very difficult for me Um,um, and then, as a manifester, I
have to tell people how I feeland then it's waiting for them
(41:25):
to like, understand that, um, orthey might never understand
that um, um, that everything I'msaying or communicating is not
said in any way to be mean ordisrespectful.
It's said because it's justpurely from the heart.
Um, and that's very, it's verydifficult, um, and that's why
(41:49):
most, most visionaries are 11life paths or manifestors.
They can't handle it.
They just stop talking topeople in general because
they're like they're going toget misunderstood or rejected or
and I'll just keep going like Ijust you just keep going,
because the true visionary notonly sees the most value and
(42:11):
potential in themselves, butthey see it in others too.
I see the true potential inpeople, whether or not they see
it in themselves yet.
So if I see that, I will tellthem and just be like you're
capable of so much more.
Does that answer your question?
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Oh, absolutely Absolutely, and it makes a lot
of sense.
You know how you feel.
You know, and it's definitely.
I can relate to how it's.
You know how it's difficultwaiting for the world to catch
up, but at the same time, I feellike it also could be a
(42:53):
blessing, in a way, if the worldis not caught up yet, because
you are setting an example andcreating your own way, right,
like you know, because sometimesand this is kind of you know I
like to look at life as a maze.
My book is called Dropped in aMaze, right, maze right, and the
(43:15):
way I look at it is we're allgiven a maze of life, right, but
what the maze looks like foreverybody is different, right,
and by you, you know, showingpeople what your maze looks like
and what your path looked like,right, and how many trenches
you probably had to hit.
a lot of trenches, a lot oftrenches, a lot of trenches, A
lot of trenches, a lot of rockyroad, a lot of slippery road, a
lot of you know ones where youcould break your ankle easily,
(43:38):
right, If you took the wrongstep.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
It's one of those things that I feel, by showing
people what you walk throughRight To get to the other side
of that maze and continuing tonavigate the other side of that
maze too, Because once one mazeends, another maze starts too.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Oh, well, so for 11 life paths.
There's never an ending,there's no final answer.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Right, but you know, just continuing.
But by you showing people whatyou're going through and walking
through oh, I'm doing thatthat's inspiring to other people
as well, right, and it educatesa world that you know.
And a lot of times you hearneurotyp?
Um people talk about likeneurotypicals.
Right, neurotypicals are forpeople who don't know.
(44:27):
It means somebody who doesn'thave intellectual or cognitive
impairment.
Okay, for neurodivergence,right, people with autism, adhd,
dyslexia, right, even bipolardisorder is under
neurodivergence.
(44:48):
So when you look at people, alot of times you hear especially
those you know from that.
I've heard from people on theautism spectrum, at least that
I've heard of and read thatabout in their writings.
They've said you know, livingin a world not meant for us,
right, I think in a way, by youdoing what you're doing, you're
(45:10):
showing other people that, hey,a new world is possible, of
course, while you're waiting forthat world to catch up, right.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
So it's a blessing and a curse at the same time
it's creating world, own world,in real time and then showing
people what's happening andright that, that and it's okay.
But again, most people won't dothat.
But talk is meaningless to me.
One of my great friends,alfonso James, so he served he's
(45:40):
in the book, in the EpicJourney book.
So he served 30, 34 years inprison for a crime he didn't
commit.
He wasn't even at the scene ofthe crime.
He went 34, and so he that, uh,he was grateful for it.
Uh.
So his quote that he says everyday since 1985, every day, is he
(46:00):
that is perfect is perfectingperfection in me.
He is that he that is perfectis perfecting perfection in me.
And then in human design, he'sa six two like me.
So a six two is the exemplary.
Humanemplary means eitherhighest form of good or total
disaster.
There's no gray like there's no100% black and white.
So he and I were talking aboutwhat it means to be an exemplary
(46:23):
human, either highest form ofgood or total disaster, and he
said it's a blessing and aburden.
Blessing and a burden, yep.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Figure it out.
So, justin, if people wanted toget in contact with you.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
How can they find you ?
Oh, thanks, uh, the main, themain company is the epic fit dot
com.
That's our global mastermind.
And then Corvia dot AI.
Corvia dot AI, that's the musicinitiative company.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
I want to thank you for sharing your insight with us
.
For all who don't know, we areboth going to be at Creative Con
, which is from February 21st tothe 23rd at the
Intercontinental Hotel inChicago.
Both Justin and I will bespeaking at Creative Con con and
we are looking forward tohopefully seeing you know,
(47:33):
especially if you're in thechicago area, many of you um and
um.
Finally, we're going to belooking forward to meeting in
real life irl, like they say you, justin, at creative con.
So see you on the 21st.
The book launch which droppedin the maze will be.
(47:55):
That's the book that will becoming out my book and looking
forward to seeing you there,justin.
And yeah, I'm going to haveeverything about Justin's info
in the show notes, so you knowjust.
I want to thank all of you fortuning in on this week's episode
.
Share with your family, yourfriends, like review, subscribe
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Um so uh, looking forward toproviding to keep giving you
(48:43):
some more episodes and providingyou with updates on my book.
I am also going to be offeringself-esteem coaching, so, and
that's going to be all up andrunning, that which is already
up and running now.
So please contact and anybodyinterested, dm me and we will
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forward to keep tuning in formore episodes and we'll talk to
you again soon.
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