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It's time for some spooky speech and performance analysis with Marcus Viney and Bailey Patterson in part 1 of their new series: Chronicles from the Crypt. This episode features an in-depth analysis of two remarkable NSDA performances: Salome Scamaroni’s Original Oratory (2024 Runner Up), "If It Bleeds, It Leads," a riveting critique on our society's fixation with traumatic stories, and the 2019 championship Duo piece, "Donnie Darko" by Kyle and Kevin Ahern. Let Marcus and Bailey guide you through these performances, revealing tips and techniques to elevate your own performance.

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Lyle Wiley (00:09):
Hey campers, welcome to day 11 of the Clapocalypse.
Lucky number 11 brings a newspooky series to Camp 1 Clap,
bailey Patterson and MarcusViney have been digging through
the catacombs of old NSDAperformances and speeches.
They've uncovered four terrificpieces that terrify and thrill
audiences and they shall bringthese forward for discussion,
analysis and learning in theirseries Chronicles from the Crypt

(00:32):
.
I'm your camp director and hostof the One Clap Speech and
Debate podcast, lyle Wiley.
Today's episode promisesthrills, chills and even a lot
of learning.
Quick reminder check the OneClap socials for today's social
media challenge.
We've been doing thesechallenges during camp.
I just got a fresh batch ofcamp stickers and magnets, so be
sure to engage.
I'll reach out to get you somecamp swag.
With us today are camp alumniand good friends of the podcast,

(00:55):
marcus Viney and BaileyPatterson.
Marcus Viney is head coach ofspeech and debate at Cheyenne
East High School, where he hasbeen coaching for 10 years.
He has master's degrees inphilosophy and English from
Colorado State University.
He currently serves as thedistrict chair of the
Hole-in-the-Wall District forthe National Speech and Debate
Association.
Marcus has celebrated multiplestate and national championships

(01:17):
with East High Team and wasinducted into the Wyoming Speech
and Debate Coach Hall of Famein 2021.
However, he is best known forhis local celebrity pug Junebug.
Bailey Patterson is acommunication and creative arts
instructor at Laramie CountyCommunity College.
She earned her Master's ofCommunication from the
University of Wyoming in 2021and recently graduated with her

(01:39):
Master of Fine Arts, theater,performance and Pedagogy degree
from Texas Tech University.
Last December, she was awardedthe National Irene Ryan Acting
Award from the Kennedy Center inWashington DC and named the
2022 Jane Alexander EmergingArtist from the College of
Fellows of the American Theater.
She is a former Wyoming StateChampion in Drama, duo and

(02:00):
Poetry and NationalSemi-Finalist in Dramatic
Interpret interpretation.
She enjoys staying active inthe speech and debate community
by volunteer judging andcoaching.
It's time for episode one ofChronicles of the Crypt with
Marcus and Bailey.

Marcus Viney (02:15):
For our episode, we're going to throw a summer
ween party at our house.
It's going to be the greatestthing ever.

Bailey Patterson (02:21):
Someone will die Of fun.
End of murder.

Marcus Viney (02:24):
There's going to be root beer, pumpkins, bloody
goblins With fake ones.
It's going to be awesome.
We have decorations, deadpeople that we just murdered Not
murdered, but pictures of deadpeople from TV or movies.
Mutilated bodies, but fake ones.
Candy dancing, all kinds offood and snacks.
Blood orphans no, blood orphans.
I don't know what that is.

Bailey Patterson (02:45):
Welcome to the One Clap Speech and Debate
Podcast.
Clapocalypse.
This is Chronicles from theCrypt.
We're your hosts.
Bailey Patterson.

Marcus Viney (02:53):
And Marcus Viney.

Bailey Patterson (02:54):
And we couldn't pass up the opportunity
to make a Parks and Recreationreference for our new series.
You might remember us from ourseries Troop Leader Talks last
summer and we're back trading inour flashlights for lanterns
with a very special Summerweenseries.
Today we are going to unearthspooky national speech and

(03:15):
debate final round performancesfrom the past and analyze what
makes these speeches not onlyamazing for their time but
artifacts worthy of study today.

Marcus Viney (03:21):
As we all know, the best way to improve as a
speaker is to speak, but thesecond best way is to watch
other people speak.
So we've dug into the NSDAFinal Round Crypt and handpicked
four spine-tinglingsummerween-themed speeches to
watch, review and reveal whatmade these speeches so
spooktacular.

Bailey Patterson (03:40):
Join us as we dissect legendary performances
in oratory duo, informative andhumor, revealing secrets from
each event that can help elevateyour own speech.

Marcus Viney (03:51):
While we're reviewing speeches from the
final stage, watching anyone andeveryone you can will help you
become a better speaker.
In other words, just because itdoesn't make the final round
doesn't mean it's not worthwatching, analyzing and learning
from.

Bailey Patterson (04:07):
The best speech and debate.
Competitors and coachesrecognize the importance of
learning from other speakers inthe community.
So, whether you're afresh-faced novice or just
earned your fourth coachingdiamond, light your candles and
gather round as we unlock wisdomfrom the crypt.

Marcus Viney (04:25):
This is Chronicles from the Crypt.

Bailey Patterson (04:27):
And today we are resurrecting the 2024
National Runner-Up.
Oratory performance from justtwo months ago If it Bleeds, it
Leads by Salome Scamoroni.

Marcus Viney (04:37):
And the horror powerhouse of a national
championship duo, Donnie Darko,performed by Kyle and Kevin Arnn
in 2019.

Bailey Patterson (04:46):
First up is one of the newest additions to
the Crypt, an original oratoryfrom last June titled If it
Bleeds, it Leads.
This oratory argues that thespeech and debate world
unwittingly encourages anunhealthy relationship with the
traumatic stories we tell, evengoing so far as to call dramatic
interpretation traumaticinterpretation.

Marcus Viney (05:08):
Which is some fun and striking wordplay, if you
ask me.

Bailey Patterson (05:10):
Totally.
She explains that, driven bythe desire to get the one,
students often strive for thescripts and performances that
have the most extreme portrayalsof trauma, even sometimes the
trauma of the student performing.

Marcus Viney (05:24):
That's right, but this leads to the exploitation
of trauma in service of winning,which in turn snowballs into a
kind of arms race to find themost extreme stories to beat
others in competition.
Without thoughtful direction,this leaves the world with more
harm than we started with, sincethe audience is left
unempowered and placated, as ifthe mere act of watching the

(05:46):
speech is the solution to theproblem presented.

Bailey Patterson (05:56):
Wow, start with the doozy.
Not only a potent message, buta fairly devastating critique of
speech and debate as anactivity itself, which seems to
be a hot choice these days.
It reminds us quite a bit ofthe final round performance of
the oratory.
Disrespect from 2023, anotherbreathtaking speech to go back
and watch.

Marcus Viney (06:11):
Now, whether you agree with the message of if it
bleeds, it leads or not, thereare clearly several critical
lessons to learn from thisperformance.
Today, we are going to focus onthree elements that caught our
third eye, but we encourage youto watch the video to discover
what gems from this performancemissed our gaze.

Bailey Patterson (06:30):
The first outstanding element of this
speech is the topic selection.

Marcus Viney (06:35):
When selecting a topic for original oratory,
students may feel overwhelmed bythe pressure to choose
something entirely original andobscure, something no one has
ever addressed before.
However, as demonstrated by thisspeech, sometimes the most
compelling topics are the onesright under our noses or, in
this case, under the nose ofspeech and debate itself.

(06:57):
A successful oratory topicoften makes competitors and
coaches think, dang, why didn'tI think of that, indicating that
the speech speaks truth andexposes a problem that connects
us with our experience.
Salome's idea that we might beusing suffering to become and
stay competitive is likelysomething that has crossed your

(07:17):
mind before in this activity,but maybe hasn't been fully
explored or articulated as thisspeaker did.
The key insight here is notnecessarily to drag down the
activity or find something noone has ever heard before, but
rather the idea is that a topiccan be derived from a subject or
problem already in plain sightand the goal is to infuse it

(07:38):
with your unique perspective.
In other words, the original inoriginal oratory doesn't mean
the topic itself is original,but that your take on it is.
If it bleeds, it leadsexemplifies this element
perfectly.

Bailey Patterson (07:55):
The second standout element of this speech
is its delivery.
Beyond Salome's mastery ofvocal techniques such as pitch,
pace and pause, which areimpressive in their own right,
one of her most effectivestrategies is adhering to the
classic rule it's not what yousay, it's how you say it.
While content is crucial inspeech and debate, delivery can

(08:17):
make all the difference.
For instance, when the Oratorstates the trauma Olympics right
here in Des Moines in 2024 and2025, it might seem plain on
paper.
2024 and 2025, it might seemplain on paper.
However, salome enhances thisline by delivering it with a
touch of disappointment thetrauma Olympics right here in

(08:37):
Des Moines in 2024 and 2025.
This delivery, hinting atreluctance about returning to
Des Moines for Nationals nextyear, elicits a big laugh from
the audience.
Such humor is vital in a speechthat critiques the very
community it addresses and isperforming in front of.

(09:00):
Remember.
Incorporating humor in aplatform event can be a powerful
tool to engage and connect withyour audience, and can break up
moments of more serious subjectmatter.

Marcus Viney (09:11):
And the final outstanding element this speech
excels in presenting solutions.
In oratory, it's not enough tosimply highlight a problem.
You must also provide practicalsolutions.
Often in original oratory, thisis precisely where things fall
apart.
Oratory is traditionally aproblem-solution speech, meaning

(09:32):
you have two primary goalsFirst, convince the audience
that a problem truly exists andsecond, prove that a viable
solution is possible.
The biggest issue with manysolutions is that they can feel
unrealistic or unattainable forthe audience.
The last thing you want to dofor your judge is to feel
disheartened by a problem andthen powerless to do anything

(09:55):
about it.
This is where Salome's approachstands out.

Bailey Patterson (09:58):
If it bleeds, it leads.
Excels in presenting actionablesolutions that the audience can
implement immediately, such asincluding resources in a poi
introduction or ensuring astrong resolution in dramatic
interpretations to show both theimpact of trauma and the
potential for healing Solutionsin oratory need to feel

(10:20):
attainable and empowering, andthis speech achieves that by
scaling them from small everydayactions to broader, long-term
cultural changes.
This strategic approachincludes framing trauma
responsibly with actionablesteps, providing detailed
information about speech topicsfor judges, and being mindful in

(10:42):
the selection and discussion oftraumatic topics.
These comprehensive solutionsleave the audience with concrete
actions they can take, makingthe speech both impactful and
practical.

Marcus Viney (10:54):
It's definitely a speech that deserves a second
look, but it's time to move onto another performance from the
crypt, Something darker but alsoreally fun.
Let's jump back a few years, to2019 to dissect the duo
performance Donnie Darko, whichwas based on the 2001 cult
classic film by the same name.
If you haven't seen the movie,it's a great choice for

(11:16):
Summerween.
This film features anexceptional soundtrack a plane
crash, a mysterious rabbit,questions about time travel and,
fittingly, a looming apocalypse.

Bailey Patterson (11:27):
Apologies to the Swifties.
We already know all too wellthat Jake Gyllenhaal stars as
the lead In the duo adaptation.
The story focuses on Donnie'sattempt to grapple with mental
illness and his father's effortsto support him.
With its intriguing mix ofdrama and horror, this
performance stands out andoffers valuable insights into

(11:47):
duo interpretation.
But what lessons can we draw?

Marcus Viney (11:51):
First things first .
In duo it's best if you justhave a twin, but if you don't
have that, here are a fewstandout features of this
performance.

Bailey Patterson (11:59):
First is piece selection.

Marcus Viney (12:07):
This performance of Donnie Darko stands out for
its originality and creativeadaptation.
As of summer 2024, this scripthas been performed exactly once
at Nationals, according to theirdatabase, making it a unique
and standout choice in a sea ofoverdone scripts.
Now, if I'm being honest, ifyou had asked me five years ago
whether Donnie Darko would makea good cutting, I would have
been skeptical due to themovie's complexity.

(12:28):
But sometimes greatperformances come from bold
choices, just like how thelegendary artist Michelangelo
could see a sculpture within ablock of marble.
This duo saw the potential inthe movie and carefully carved
it down to its core story a sondealing with mental illness

(12:50):
carved it down to its core storya son dealing with mental
illness.
The key takeaway is the valueof choosing fresh and
unconventional material andfocusing on what's really
important for your performance.
Even if you're a fan of themovie and find the duo's version
quite different, theiradaptation powerfully highlights
the issue of mental health in away that's both original and
impactful.

Bailey Patterson (13:08):
The second standout feature of this duo is
its exceptional use of blockingIn Speech and Debate.
Duo interpretation is uniquebecause it's the only event
where two performers can worktogether physically to tell a
story.
This performance truly shinesin its use of synchronicity and
symmetry, creating dynamic andmemorable visuals that stretches

(13:29):
drama into the unusual genre ofhorror.
A great example is the openingscene where Donnie introduces
himself while washing his hands.
As he bends down, the secondperformer ominously appears in
the background, creating achilling and powerful visual
contrast.
One important lesson here,especially for those who watched

(13:50):
Duo at Nationals this past year, is that you don't need to do
backflips in your blocking tomake a strong impact on your
audience.
Instead, thoughtful use ofpositioning and subtle body
movements can enhance thestorytelling.
If you watch this performancemultiple times, you'll keep
discovering new and insightfulways the duo uses their bodies

(14:12):
to enrich the narrative.

Marcus Viney (14:14):
And the final standout element of this duo is
their effective use of theprinciple show don't tell or, in
this case, show don't yell.

Bailey Patterson (14:22):
In the speech and debate world.
It's widely accepted that aperformance should have a climax
world.
It's widely accepted that aperformance should have a climax
, a peak moment where thestory's conflict reaches its
highest point, demanding apowerful reaction from the
characters.
Many might think this requiresloud, intense delivery to convey
the drama.
But this duo takes a completelydifferent approach.

(14:43):
In a striking contrast to theusual expectation of volume,
they opt for near silence duringthe climax of their performance
.
In the final two minutes wewatch quietly as Donnie consumes
pills in the bathroom while hisfather tries to break in and
help.

Marcus Viney (15:02):
This choice to remain silent during such a
critical moment enhances theemotional impact and
demonstrates a powerfulstorytelling technique.
By showing the audience theintensity of the scene without
overt verbal expression, theyallow the gravity of the moment
to resonate more deeply.

Bailey Patterson (15:22):
Ironically, not speaking is just as powerful
, if not more, than speaking.
As we wrap up this episode ofChronicles from the Crypt, we
hope you've found freshinspiration in these amazing
performances.

Marcus Viney (15:37):
From the powerful argumentation of if it bleeds,
it leads to the imaginativephysicality of Donnie Darko.
It's clear that mastery inspeech and debate often comes
from a deep understanding ofboth the craft and the content.

Bailey Patterson (15:50):
Remember, the key to a powerful performance
lies in how you present yourstory, as much as in the story
itself.
Stay tuned for more lessonsfrom the Crypt in our next
episode and keep pushing theboundaries of your own
performances.
Wow, those are really good,thanks.

Lyle Wiley (16:10):
Thank you so much to our Crypt Keepers, bailey and
Marcus.
That was fun and we're lookingforward to Episode 2 next week.
What's going on in theClapocalypse tomorrow?
Jaden Roccaforte has created atwo-part series exploring fear
and anxiety and how we canconquer fears in speech and
debate.
This first episode debutstomorrow.
Remember to check the socialmedia challenges on our socials.

(16:31):
And well, we'll see youtomorrow, campers.
Oh, by the way, if you're evergiven the job of cryptkeeper,
you need to be super careful tobury people in the right spot.
To mess that up would be agrave mistake For Camp One Clap.
This is Camp Director Wileysigning off.
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