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Lyle Wiley (00:09):
Well, hey, campers,
camp One Clap Two is gliding
into day 18 and we are justabsolutely thriving out here in
the clapocalypse.
Today's speech superstar at thehigh school and college level,
jay Roccaforte, is here withpart two of his series.
I'm your camp director and hostof the One Clap Speech and
Debate podcast, lyle Wiley.
Hopefully this year at campwe're helping coaches and
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competitors take on fear andembrace all the unknowns in this
coming speech and debate season.
Quick reminder check the OneClap socials for today's social
media challenge.
And with us today is fabulousperformer and friend of the
podcast, jm Roccaforte.
Jay has become comfortablecalling himself an artist and a
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poet.
Throughout six years offorensics competition, jay
became a four-time nationalchampion and an international
champion as of 2023.
After taking a year off fromschool focusing on mental health
and volunteer coaching for hishigh school team, jay will be
returning to competition withthe Western Kentucky University
forensics team.
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Pursuing his bachelor's in arteducation, jay is back at the
clapocalypse and he's about toshare an episode with a whole
lot of heart.
This is not one you want tomiss.
It's time to go on a poignantjourney with Jay through
Hadestown and beyond right now.
Jay Roccaforte (01:31):
Casper Mountain
in Wyoming is where I first
embarked, alone, with mythoughts, in nature's grip.
Of course, I'd been hiking outin that dense wilderness before
always, with friends and family,but in fall of 2021, I was away
from home for the first time tobegin school, a boy burned by
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young love and in need of coldintrospection.
So I began writing songs,poetry, and after all the
fraught, split-end words ofself-pity and confusion, I
realized that I still had ableeding heart pouring out love,
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and you cannot let perfectlygood love go to waste.
Love go to waste.
So I lived on and we'll come tosee how this little tale of
mine holds a familiar tone withthe infinitely fruitful themes
of two famous tales in Greekmythology.
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Today, I am happy to relive andreiterate Anais Mitchell's
Hadestown.
If you haven't at leastlistened to the Broadway cast
recording of this musical, doyourself the favor.
And look, am I saying Hadestownis the best musical I've ever
listened to?
That's exactly what I'm saying,hands down.
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I've got a thick Google Doc toback up that claim.
So come at me.
I have three goals for thissegment today.
One to sum up the main plot ofHadestown, which will result in
you being just as obsessed withthis story as I am, maybe not as
obsessed.
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Two we'll analyze the anxietiesthat reflect the internal and
external struggles each of ourlovers face and how it
influences their actions andchoices throughout the musical.
Then three relate all of thisback to the treacherous lifetime
endeavor that is speech anddebate.
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I promise I did not forgetthat's what we're talking about
here.
So as you listen to this story,please try and think of these
conflicts in the context offacing your own fears in
forensics.
So on the railroad line on theroad to hell, we are audience
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members to the songs of Hades,god of the dead, persephone,
goddess of the seasons, orpheus,a poor boy working on a song,
and Eurydice, a young girllooking for something to eat.
Long before the events ofHadestown and best told in the
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three epics, orpheus performs.
Throughout the show we learnwhere the seasons come from and
how the songs and love of Hadesand Persephone make our world go
round.
Once upon a time, hades, kingof the underworld, while gazing
to the world above, sawPersephone gathering flowers in
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the sunlight and fell in love.
So he takes her home to becomehis queen, and without her above
, none of the flowers would grow.
Rough weather raged on.
Rough weather raged on.
So the two came to an agreementthat for half of each year she
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would stay with Hades in hisworld below and the other half
she could walk again in the sun,making it burn twice as bright
Winter and summer With Hermesacting as the narrator and
wingman to Orpheus.
The actual plot of the musicalfollows the lovers Orpheus and
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Eurydice and the journey theytake through an industrialized
underworld.
These lovers are so down badthey sing songs about it.
Orpheus is going to bring theworld back into tune with his
music.
He's gonna marry this girl andspring will come again.
But when that train from downbelow brings Persephone and
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summer to the surface, eurydiceis finally like wow, okay, if
things are always like this, ofcourse we can get married.
But then Hades calls forPersephone back to Hadestown.
I mean, they agreed on sixmonths and this girl was out of
hell for like literally fiveminutes total in the musical.
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See, hades is high-key, astand-in for capitalist
propaganda, and the music is noteven on the down-low about it.
He burns the fossils of thedead, creating a landscape of
neon electricity oil, andPersephone is not into it at all
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.
Quote it ain't right and itain't natural.
He has nameless workers thatbuild this wall in the name of
freedom and keeping out theenemy.
And who is the enemy ofHadestown, according to Hades?
Poverty.
He has his workers convincedit's his way or the highway.
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He demands obedience andsecurity in order to maintain
everything that he owns,including the workers.
When times above ground arestruck with chaotic weather
caused by Hades climate change,our boy, orpheus, is still
working on his song, trying tobring spring again, and Eurydice
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is starting to wonder if thisboy can really keep her safe.
They need food, firewood,shelter, and this guy is singing
away, too caught up in hisdreams to see his love is fading
away.
Hades tricks Eurydice intotaking a ticket and signing a
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deal Come work for him in thiswarmth and safety of Hadestown.
So she leaves Gone.
Orpheus finally comes lookingfor her and Hermes is like my
guy, while you were strummingand humming, your fiancé got a
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ride to Hadestown and now you'regoing to have to go after her
if you want that happy ending.
And he does.
Orpheus walks the entire way,sings his songs of love, sings
his songs of love and wins thesympathy of both Persephone and
the rotting workers of Hadestown.
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Hades is unimpressed about toabsolutely annihilate this boy
but is like okay, you know whatmy wife likes your singing.
Go ahead and sing one more song.
Okay, make me laugh, make meweep.
And so Orpheus sings Epic Threeand actually succeeds in moving
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the heart of this king of thedead.
I'm actually going to read a fewlines from this song, because
Orpheus really unpacks Hades asa character perfectly here.
Quote the more he has, the morehe holds, the greater the
weight of the world on hisshoulders.
See how he labors beneath thatload, afraid to look up and
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afraid to let go, afraid to lookup and afraid to let go.
Then, a bit later, where is thetreasure inside of your chest
Bars?
Where is the pleasure?
Where is your youth?
Where is the man with his armsoutstretched to the woman he
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loves, with nothing to lose?
That song goes so hard.
Eurydice is like take me homeright now, I'll walk back with
you, hand in hand.
They dance and the songisesshows their growth from the
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beginning.
How now they understand thatthe road ahead will not always
be sunshine and roses.
But no matter what hardshipswait, they'll brave this world
together, side by side.
Orpheus goes up to Hades and islike so can we dip?
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And Hades is like I don't know.
See if he makes Eurydice stayafter hearing that song.
He's a heartless man andOrpheus becomes a martyr to the
workers of Hadestown.
But if he lets them leave, thenall of the workers will think
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well, if this guy can do it, socan we.
It's a lose-lose for Hades.
But ah, he's got a plan.
Hades lets them leave, but onlyunder the condition that
Orpheus walks ahead and Eurydicefollows behind.
And if Orpheus turns around tobe sure Eurydice is following
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him, then she will stay inHadestown forever.
It's a trial of faith and trust.
Easy, right After everything,this guy's gone through this
final lap.
You know he can brave it.
At least it seems that way.
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So they leave and with the song, doubt comes in.
We follow Orpheus alone on theroad with his thoughts.
No crowd of believers to raisehis spirit, no hand of Eurydice
in his.
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He begins to wonder if he'sactually beaten Hades Quote who
am I?
Who am I to think that shewould follow me into the cold
and dark again?
Why would he let me win?
Why would he let her go go?
Who am I to think that hewouldn't deceive me, just to
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make me leave alone?
Where is she even aftereverything he's done in the name
of love, his passion, histalent none of it is real.
Alone with his thoughts, hebelieves he's been tricked, that
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he was the entire timefollowing, trusting and devoted,
and never to be his again.
And that is Hadestown.
Orpheus, the embodiment of thepoetic human spirit, our desire
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for creativity and expression.
Defeated only by his own doubts, hadestown can help us
understand the essential essenceof the tug of war that is
life's love and fear.
Doubt and anxiety consume eachof these characters at different
points throughout the musical.
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Eurydice fears the materialconditions that plague her life.
Fears the material conditionsthat plague her life.
She's a bird that can onlymigrate and follow her hunger.
When the weather turns on heragain, it's only natural for her
to want to leave Orpheus andtake her ticket to Hadestown.
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She's convinced by Hades thatshe can truly live down there,
be safe and secure.
It's only after she's signedthe deal when she comes to
understand how the security shewas promised is in actuality a
cage.
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She's a nameless worker,exploited and manipulated, all
in the false name of freedomFreedom from what Hades claims
to have.
Everything Externally, he'sliving Eurydice's dream, king
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and owner of all he could everneed a wall that guards it all
and a system, obedient to hisevery whim.
And Hades' biggest flaw liesinternally.
What he's forgotten is his lovefor Persephone.
He needs her in a cage justlike everyone else.
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Like Orpheus, Hades dreads thathis lover will never return to
him, but, like Orpheus, tellshim what he is defending is
already gone.
Persephone belongs in the worldabove and as Hades loses sight
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of this, forcing her to staywith him longer and longer with
each year, the world dies in herabsence and she becomes numb.
In her song, our Lady of theUnderground, persephone copes
with alcohol and various otherdrugs, providing them for the
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workers of Hadestown as well.
When denied access to thepleasures of the real and
natural world, people will turnto the less likely, the less
healthy options in order to getany feeling of pleasure they can
.
This is actually a lessertalked about issue that creates
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addiction in our culture.
If you treat your workers likedead men walking, it becomes
easier and easier for thoseworkers to rationalize, doing
anything to make themselves feelalive again.
But what gives everyone hope isthe song, and that is the
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message of Hadestown.
Orpheus, in his supposedlyradical act of speaking for
himself, being heard rather thanquietly obeying rules, he
creates hope for a better future.
And that is exactly what speechand debate does.
I never judge or compete in around of a tournament with the
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expectation that this speechwill save the world, fix all of
our problems, bring everythingback into tune.
But nearly every round leavesme with this sense of hope.
If all of these students arepassionate enough to advocate
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for this better future they'venever witnessed, then the world
of Hadestown is not a promise.
Hardship is unavoidable, andthings you love will be taken
from you.
But in order to carry on thelegacy of that love, you must
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sing anyway, again and again,summer or winter.
To be human is to fall in love,in spite of yourself and in
spite of the fear that hauntseach of us.
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So please again picture me,often doubtful, like Orpheus,
walking alone down a path whereI brought myself.
There are many days I feel asafraid as he, dreading that what
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I have I have not earned, thatwhere I am heading I will not
belong, that no one is comingwith me.
The journey is treacherous, yetwith each step I must have
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faith that my past is followingclose behind.
I cannot let my dread consumethe potential of my future, for
I have promises to keep, forbetter or for worse, I will
continue to love, to sing oflove and share what can only be
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given.
If you have love in your heart,compete in this activity.
If you have hate in your heart,compete in this activity.
Hate is only the willingness toward off the threat that faces
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all you love.
Do not let this hate carry yourmelody and do not let fear
convince you that you are alone.
In the practice of repeatingand recognizing tragedy in
Hadestown and beyond and beyond,we can remain grateful for what
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we have and hopeful that we maylearn from history's
shortcomings.
The average song can hardlyprovide a meal, no material
shelter or warmth, just thepassionate expression as giving
and willing as the wind.
Expression as giving andwilling as the wind.
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While it can be falsely arguedthat pursuing art has a less
practical appeal than slavingaway in the mines, this musical
clearly values the importance ofexpressing your love any way.
The wind blows.
Lyle Wiley (21:11):
Thank you so much to
Jay for that beautiful and
heartfelt message to all of ustoday and best of luck to him on
his adventures this year atWestern Kentucky University.
What's going on in theclapocalypse tomorrow?
Well, friend of the podcast,sharina Villegas, is here to
chat about keeping yourpersonality and performance and
platform.
Among other things, remember tocheck the social media
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challenges on our socials andwe'll see you tomorrow.
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