August 8, 2024 • 53 mins
6:8 - Camp One Clap 2024: Day 8
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What if facing your biggest fears could lead you to discover your deepest passions? Join us on day eight of Camp One Clap, where Ella and Addy Goodman share their journey through the world of speech and debate, transforming anxieties into achievements. Ella and Addy reflect on coping with anxiety and self-doubt, emphasizing the importance of maintaining a positive mindset. Tune in for a blend of inspiration, advice, and a touch of the supernatural to fuel your own journey of self-discovery.
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Lyle Wiley (00:09):
Hey campers, camp One Clap is in full swing.
Here on day eight, we're doingour best and straight up
thriving out here in theclapocalypse.
Here to join us today at campare two fabulous speech and
debate stars friend of thepodcast, ella Goodman, and new
camp staffer Addie Goodman.
I'm your camp director and hostof the One Clap Speech and
Debate podcast, lyle Wiley.
(00:34):
We aim to ignite inspirationand courage for everyone
listening and help you overcomeyour fears and confidently bring
your vibrant voices to thespeech and debate season.
Quick reminder check the OneClap socials for today's social
media challenge.
There's still lots of awesomeengagement out there and I
absolutely love it.
Let me tell you about Ella andAddie, who are here to chat
about ways to handle anxiety andperformance and give us some
other nuggets of inspiration andadvice.
(00:56):
Ella Goodman took part in speechand debate for all four years
of her high school career.
She has competed in publicforum, world schools, expository
and informative, which was hermain and favorite event.
Her passion for speech anddebate stems from her belief in
its ability to empower youngpeople, providing them with a
platform to share their passionsand perspectives on a variety
of topics.
Some accomplishments she ismost proud of include being the
(01:18):
champion of informative speakingat the National Individual
Events Tournament of Champions,placing 14th at NSDA National
Tournament in Informative, beinga two-time state champion in
Informative and being afour-time national qualifier.
Addie Goodman competed in hervery first year of speech in
2023 to 2024 school year at EastHigh School.
(01:39):
She's competed in drama, humor,duo and poetry, with humor
being her main event.
Addie loves interpretationevents because she believes that
you can share an importantmessage through acting.
Some accomplishments that Addieis most proud of are winning
the MASC II tournament,qualifying to nationals,
breaking to finals at state,winning novice of the year and
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breaking to octofinals atnationals.
All right, let's jump into myinterview with ella and addy
goodman.
Thank you both for joining mehere at the clap up, the
clapocalypse uh, try saying thatthree times really fast we're
excited to be here.
Ella Goodman (02:20):
Yes, clap clapocalypse.
Yes, help us survive the clapapocalypse.
Lyle Wiley (02:25):
Yes set the tone, um , and start thinking about fear
and, and uh, being scared.
What do you?
What's your favorite scarystory, like a movie, a book,
just a spoken word story?
What do you got for me?
Addy Goodman (02:40):
uh, you go first.
Ella Goodman (02:41):
Okay, I'm still thinking, oh, I don't think.
I mean, I don't know addy'sanswer, but we both are not
really super into scary stuff.
We would much rather watchsomething happy.
I mean, we used to, I used tolike this is kind of mean, but
like sometimes when addy and Iwould like have sleepovers
together, I would like tellscary stories and then she would
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get really freaked out likethere was this one.
It's really sad.
It's more of a sad story than ascary story about like this
lady that like lives in thewoods by herself and she's like
an old lady and, like her doglicks her feet every night
before she goes to bed.
But then one night she likereads in the newspaper about
this guy who like escaped from amental institution, and then
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she, like her dog is licking herfeet, and then she, like her
dog is licking her feet and thenshe like goes into the bathroom
when a dog is dead in thebathtub.
Like I remember, I told addythat one time and she could not
sleep for like weeks.
That's best.
I don't know if I'm gonna sleepfor weeks I was just gonna say
something like hocus pocus okay,well, I had to be creative, I
had to think of a good one.
(03:42):
Yes, oh, oh, my goodness.
Lyle Wiley (03:45):
Yeah, that's a pretty terrifying story.
Yeah, I know, have yourecovered?
Have?
Addy Goodman (03:52):
you recovered from her telling you that story?
No, sometimes I actually dostill think about it.
Lyle Wiley (03:58):
Are you going to roll with Hocus Pocus Addie?
Is that your answer?
Addy Goodman (04:07):
Yeah, I think Hocus Pocus is my answer.
It's not very scary, but it'slike Halloween scary.
Ella Goodman (04:09):
I was scared of Zootopia when I first watched it
is that a scary?
Well, to me it was scary like Idon't remember some part.
It like jump scared me.
I was just scared of lots ofthings, so anything can count as
a scary story for me.
Lyle Wiley (04:22):
Okay, well, I'll keep that in mind.
Be careful, okay.
What were you going to say,addie?
Sorry.
Ella Goodman (04:29):
Oh, I was trying to think of I don't know like my
favorite Halloween movie orsomething.
Yeah, I don't know.
There's so many good ones.
Except I like happy Halloweenmovies, not scary.
Lyle Wiley (04:41):
Yeah, you don't watch the scary serial killer
movies or the slasher bloodymovies.
Addy Goodman (04:49):
You're not into that stuff I felt like really
tempted to before, though ohyeah, because it's like you see
things.
Well, I see things on likesocial media and like that makes
me want to watch them andfigure out what happens.
Ella Goodman (05:01):
You know, like on tiktok when they post like like
a part of an episode of likesome scary moot show and then
you go on the profile and youlike watch the whole episode in
segments how people do it ontiktok.
Lyle Wiley (05:13):
That's probably the most I've watched of a scary
movie, but I don't know, almostagainst your will, like you just
kind of grab a hole into it.
I just can't stop watching thisyeah yeah, it's hard to look
away sometimes.
Let's transition from scarystories to the apocalypse.
Say there's an actualapocalypse, hopefully this won't
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happen, but there's a dystopianuniverse that we were living in
, now this wasteland.
So, on a scale of 1 to 10, um,what are your survival chances?
Uh, both of you, what do youthink?
Ella Goodman (05:48):
I feel like, okay, what kind of apocalypse is it?
Is it like the zombieapocalypse?
Lyle Wiley (05:54):
like I mean we could roll with the zombie apocalypse
, I mean okay it could also justbe like a you know, low
resources, uh, embattled thewasteland, kind of apocalypse
too, which is similar to thezombie apocalypse, I guess.
Um, but yeah, I don't know,what do you think?
Addy Goodman (06:09):
do you think you could survive in a situation
where you can go first I think Iwould, um, I agree, I think
that I have, I don't know, Ithink that I would just have
good instincts with that I don't, I don't know.
Also, I feel like the hungergames, they kind of.
I feel like I'd like you'd dogood, use some tactics for sure
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to maybe survive.
So I think my chances ofsurviving is probably like an
eight oh, I would give you likea nine.
Ella Goodman (06:39):
Okay, I think addy would.
I addy would totally survivethe apocalypse.
I think the hardest thing forher would be like no 10-step
skincare routine, but like otherthan that I think you could do
it.
Addie, I think me.
No, I'm not making it very far.
Addy Goodman (06:59):
I think that you would.
I think maybe you would justlike step out.
If it was like a zombieapocalypse and you were hiding,
you'd just step out and showyourself.
Ella Goodman (07:08):
No, I give myself a three, I give you a four.
Addy Goodman (07:12):
I think, I think you're at a four.
Ella Goodman (07:14):
The moral of the story is I think Addie is doing
a lot better in the apocalypsethan I am.
Lyle Wiley (07:19):
Gotcha, are there specific skills that you both
bring to the table?
That would be useful in anapocalyptic situation.
Ella Goodman (07:27):
I mean, you're both very strong communicators.
I think I'm like, oh my gosh,when we go to speech tournaments
, I am an overpacker, so I woulddefinitely be prepared.
I would have like food,flashlights, you know, I don't
know what else you need in anapocalypse, but I would.
I'd be stocked up, that's.
I think I would be good likeplanning ahead and bringing what
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we need.
I don't, I don't know, youwould get violent, okay that's
what I think.
Addy Goodman (07:57):
I don't think I think, I think I'd find a good
hiding spot good, a good hider.
Lyle Wiley (08:03):
Yeah, can either of you cook um?
Addy Goodman (08:06):
I can, I think yeah I feel like I can cook.
Ella Goodman (08:11):
If I have a recipe , I'm fine.
I can't just like make thingslike off the top of my head,
though are you campers some?
Things.
No, I would rather go glampingthan camping.
I don't like going to thebathroom in the woods.
I don't like porta potties Ilove camping.
Addy Goodman (08:30):
I think it's so fun.
I've only been camping liketwice in my life, but every
single time I've done it.
Ella Goodman (08:35):
I love it, reconnecting with nature like no
, I like I like being outside,but I like don't I get too
scared to like sleep in a tentlike you never know what's gonna
.
Somebody could just walk in thetent.
Like I need to lock the door, Ineed to be safe, I need, I need
security like that fair enough?
Lyle Wiley (08:55):
uh, yes, I'm feeling like ella's not gonna have a
good chance of surviving theapocalypse you never know so far
, out of most of the folks thatI've talked to, speech and
debate.
People in general maybe aren'tthe uh, they maybe don't have
the best chance of like doingsuper well in the apocalypse.
Uh, most of us are like I don'tthink I have much to bring to
the table.
(09:16):
I'm really organized and cancommunicate, but, like yeah I
still think, addy, she, she'spretty.
Ella Goodman (09:21):
I think she's pretty strong.
Like she's been been workingout in the basement.
I can hear it from my room LikeI feel like you could beat up
some zombies.
Yeah, yeah, I think I havefaith in her.
I think she's surviving.
Lyle Wiley (09:34):
Cool.
Well, addie's probably our bestbet so far.
So it's good to know, good toknow.
So, ella, we've talked aboutyour speech and debate origin a
little bit, but I'd like torevisit this question for both
you and Addie.
What got you two into speechand debate?
And you know, like, how did youget started at all?
Ella Goodman (09:53):
You want me to go first?
Yeah, okay.
Well, in eighth grade, Iremember eighth grade was the
2019-2020 school year for me, soit was like the beginning of
COVID.
2019, 2020 school year for me.
So it was like the beginning ofCOVID.
But before we all got sent homefrom school and stuff, I
remember we were signing up forelectives and one of my friends
and I we were like like I waslike I want to like take this
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speech class.
I didn't know what speech anddebate was.
I had no idea, but I was alwaysso scared.
I was so, so scared of likepublic speaking.
I was so shy, I, but I was likeI need to like push myself.
You know, I was like I'm goingto high school, I need to like
try new things and be brave andwhatever.
So I just like signed up forthe class and then, you know,
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the school year started.
We were, we had masks and we hadto get our temperature taken.
You know, every time we walkedinto school.
But I came in the speech roomand I was like I was so scared
and then they started talkingabout like oh, this is what
speech is, this is how it works,and I, like I decided.
I was like I'm not doing it,this is so scary, like it's not
happening.
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But then, like I don't.
Like Vaini always says like doit and you're cool, you just got
to try it, you know.
And so I mean I came topractices, I like participated
in the class and I was so scaredbut I mean I found that I
really liked it.
You know, I really like to talkabout something that I'm like
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passionate about or that I thinkis interesting, and I've just
stuck with it ever since.
Lyle Wiley (11:23):
Yeah, that's's yours , that is cool that's a nice
like uh overcoming fears kind ofstory too which we'll be
talking about but yeah, so whatabout you, addy?
Was this, uh, totally differentkind of experience coming into
the speech debate universe?
Addy Goodman (11:37):
yeah, um, I've obviously known about speech
ever since sixth grade becauseElla was a freshman my sixth
grade year and I just remembershe, she's just always told me
like sixth through eighth gradethat I just like have to do
speech, like I have to do it.
I I remember I always told herI'm like I'm not gonna do it, I
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just don't think I could do it,I don't think it would, I
couldn't handle like drivinghome really late at night,
getting home late from liketournaments.
And I remember in eighth gradeI just like I just decided I was
like OK, I'll just switch itlike when I don't like it next
year, because I don't think I'mgoing to like it, I'll just
switch my elective and sign upfor it.
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And I walk in there the firstday into my speech class and
it's my first ever class of highschool and I just remember
walking in there and I don'tknow I just like there was just
a very like nice energy to itbut it was still very nerve
wracking for me.
And I remember like the firstday our friend Solomon just like
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kind of like talked me throughall of the events and it was
really scary and I remember Ialways like kind of wanted to do
humor.
That's always been likesomething that I've really
wanted to do.
I called it.
Ella Goodman (12:53):
I told her from the beginning I was like Addie,
this would.
You would be so good at this.
Like humor is just such anAddie event.
Addy Goodman (13:00):
And I was like I knew it and we had to like sign
up on a sheet for all the eventswe wanted to do and I was like
choosing things like PF insteadof like humor.
I was like choosing all thedebates.
I personally think I'm more ofa speech person, but I was
signing up for all the debateevents I was not going to.
Are you there, God?
(13:22):
It's be Margaret.
The script I got this year andI just kind of started to love
doing interp and it just likebecame something that I loved
and obviously like doing it withElla was like so fun this year
before she leaves.
So that's kind of what made medo it, so like Ella was the one
that inspired me.
Okay.
Ella Goodman (13:42):
This Addy was talking about.
She didn't want to come homesuper late.
I know that people won't beable to see this picture, but oh
my gosh, this is a picture ofaddie when we got home from our
first overnight tournament.
She was exhausted, she, she wasso tired.
She was like, oh my gosh.
She was like I'm never going onone of these again.
(14:02):
It was hilarious.
Lyle Wiley (14:06):
Addie's definitely not a night owl, I think I am
when I'm at home.
Addy Goodman (14:11):
She hates the bus.
I hate the bus.
It's pretty rough back theresometimes.
Ella Goodman (14:20):
Oh my gosh.
You know how Sharina and I haveour Crocs.
Addie has Crocs now too, but wealways sit by the heater and
I'm always the sacrifice.
I'm always the one right on topof the heater and one of my
Crocs is, like you know, smallerthan the other one because it's
melted on the heater Like thebus is a struggle.
Lyle Wiley (14:46):
Yeah, the Crocs don't agree with.
Like the heater, heater, that'slike.
No one place where it'sprobably not great to have crocs
is like next to a heat sourcelike a campfire.
Yeah, so the crocs will live on, though um after they're gone
ella.
Ella Goodman (14:57):
Yeah, I'm gonna continue on the legacy of andrew
.
Andrew schultz, he has a pairofcs too.
Addy Goodman (15:02):
He was styling them since the beginning of the
year.
He had them since the beginning.
Lyle Wiley (15:06):
So the Crocs will be repped, even though Elle is
gone and Sharina graduated.
So sad.
That's a legacy.
That's a true legacy to pass on.
So what about some good originstories Between the two of you?
You probably have a lot ofevents you've competed in.
What are some of the eventsyou've competed in?
Ella Goodman (15:28):
Oh, you have more, you can go first.
Addy Goodman (15:30):
Oh, okay, I've done humor duo, drama and poetry
.
Yeah and X-Boss, oh and X-Boss,yeah Right.
Lyle Wiley (15:43):
Yeah.
And Ella you've mostly doneplatform right.
But, did you branch out alittle bit this year?
You were talking about maybedoing that.
Ella Goodman (15:51):
Well, okay, I started.
I was going to do Congressbecause this man named Will Ward
I don't know if you know him hepeer pressured me into it.
Lyle Wiley (16:02):
He's good at peer pressure.
Ella Goodman (16:04):
Yeah, he was like congress, do congress.
And I was so scared and Ididn't like want to, but I like
planned for the first tournamentto do congress.
I was like I don't want to docongress.
And for months he thought I wasdoing congress so he would
print the dockets for me wasteso much paper and I was so
scared to tell him that I quitcongress.
I was so scared when I told himI well, don't print these for
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me anymore, I don't do Congress.
He's like oh okay, but so Istarted in Congress.
Then I went to PF.
I competed in PF for onetournament.
Patrick Coggin was my partner,so shout out to Patrick.
And then I went to info andthat's like what I did for most
of my career.
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I did, though, at nationals.
I did world schools once andI've done a lot of expository,
which I love expository.
Lyle Wiley (16:52):
So yeah, Expository is a really fun cool event, so
yeah, it's kind of we had it onthe regular circuit.
Ella Goodman (17:00):
I like these like five minute events.
Lyle Wiley (17:01):
They're kind of a little bit easier to judge too.
I think a little bit easier tojudge too, I think, a little bit
more accessible for people.
But, yeah, we should, addie,you did pretty well in Expos
this year.
Addy Goodman (17:12):
Yeah, I made it to .
I can't remember how far did Imake it.
I think quarterfinals, right,yeah, somewhere like that.
But yeah, it was very cool,yeah, and it was so awesome it
was very cool yeah, and Ellie,you did well in your main event
this year.
Lyle Wiley (17:24):
So you went all the way to semifinals this year and
informative in your senior year.
Ella Goodman (17:29):
Yeah, it was so fun, amazing.
I met so many nice people.
It was awesome, so cool.
Lyle Wiley (17:38):
Well, congratulations to you both on a
great season.
What are some of the things?
Just something unique.
You learned, either aboutyourself or the activity this
season specifically.
Ella Goodman (17:44):
Just something unique, you learned either about
yourself or the activity thisseason specifically.
I think I mean every speechseason I think I've had a lot of
like growth as a speaker andlike as a person.
But this year I think I thinkI've always been really like
scared to be like proud ofmyself, you know.
But this year I think I justlike decided I'm like you know,
I'm working hard and if I'm likedoing well, I'm putting in the
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work, like I am proud of myselfand it's cool that I'm like
placing and winning and that'sawesome.
And so I think I learned to beproud of myself and know that
like I deserve myaccomplishments because like I'm
working hard for them.
And I think I also learned thatlike I'm like I am capable of
so much more than I think I am.
You know, as long as I justlike believe in myself, I feel
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like I mean I feel like this is,you know.
As long as I just like believein myself, I feel like I mean I
feel like this is true foranybody as long as you just
believe in yourself, you reallycan do anything you set your
mind to.
And I feel like that's alsosomething that I realized this
season about myself.
Lyle Wiley (18:42):
That sounds like a really great journey of, like
you know, self celebration andunderstanding.
Yeah that's good.
That's good.
So did you do you feel like youdid kind of celebrate a little
bit more this year than you havein the past, Like for yourself?
Yeah?
Ella Goodman (18:54):
Cause I mean.
I was always scared.
So I don't know, I don't wantto be like cocky or like
bragging or things, but I'm likeI don't.
I do also want to be proud ofmyself, you know, and I think
it's being proud of yourself isa good thing.
Lyle Wiley (19:10):
Absolutely.
Ella Goodman (19:11):
Yeah, yeah.
Lyle Wiley (19:12):
But yeah, you are pretty like unassuming, pretty
humble person, so that's like akind of a complicated, difficult
journey, so it's good thatyou're going through it now.
Ella Goodman (19:21):
Yeah.
Lyle Wiley (19:22):
And you do deserve a lot of celebration, so that's
cool, thank you.
Ella Goodman (19:26):
What about you, Addie?
What about?
Lyle Wiley (19:27):
you Addie.
What about you?
Did you?
Did you learn some stuff aboutyourself this year?
Addy Goodman (19:31):
I think I think I definitely did.
I think I think I'm a prettyoutgoing person usually, but I
think I like become like prettyscared about like what the
outcome of things is going to be.
So I think I am a bit of likean overthinker with you know the
way things are going to turnout, and at the start of this
year I was just nervous that Iwasn't going to do well and it
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just wasn't going to be as fun.
But then I kind of justrealized it's about like
spreading a message that I feellike very passionate about.
And I think that I learned thatI like to like speak about
things I feel very passionateabout.
And I think that I learned thatI like to like speak about
things I feel very passionateabout and the fact that even
when it's really scary, I can dohard things.
And you know, it's like a lotof people feel like scared in
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speech, obviously, like whenthey're performing and that kind
of stuff.
But I think remembering thatyou can do hard things is very
important, because I thoughtabout that a lot this year,
especially at like nationals,like with expo's, like when I
kept moving up, like it kind ofgot like more scary and like
when, um, I made it tooctofinals in humor and I
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remember I was like by myself inthe room, which was very scary.
But I think what I did beforemy performances in octofinals
was in like, I guess likequarters, was like just
reminding myself I can do hardthings and I get to spread my
message, which is like kind ofwhat I learned this year.
Lyle Wiley (21:07):
That's really awesome message which is like
kind of what I learned this year.
That's really awesome and it islike a lovely thing about
speech and debate that, eventhough we're very we're.
We're competitive, of course,like it's impossible to pull the
competitive stuff out of it,but, uh, whether you know,
whatever the results, you stillget the opportunity to share
what's important to you.
Um, in a way that's just reallyincredible.
So that's cool.
(21:27):
I'm glad you both had some goodrevelations this year.
I want to take a moment forjust like a spooky interlude and
ask you if you believe inghosts and the paranormal.
Ella Goodman (21:41):
What do you?
Lyle Wiley (21:41):
think how do you guys feel about ghosts?
Okay, not real.
Ella Goodman (21:45):
I think ghosts I totally I think they are are
totally real, but I think not inthe way that like they're in a
lot of movies, where they'relike evil and out to get people.
I think like, okay, this iswhat I like to think.
I like to think that, you know,like when people die, they go.
I don't know where they go.
They go somewhere like in thesky or something I don't know.
And then when they want just tolike come like see people, like
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their loved ones, or they justwant to go back, they I think
they can just like come back todown and, just like you know,
walk around, like do their ownthing.
I don't think people can seethem, but like I don't think
they're out to get people.
I don't think ghosts are likeevil coming to haunt you.
I think they're there like Idon't know.
Just I was gonna say livingtheir lives, but they're dead.
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So they're not living theirlives, but like I don't know,
they're just doing their ownthing, like just yeah, and I
think that's maybe like when youlike you remember someone that
like like a loved one, that'slike past or something you're
like, you think about something,maybe that's them just like
walking around.
I don't know, that's what Ilike to think about something.
Maybe that's them just likewalking around.
Lyle Wiley (22:50):
I don't know that's what I like to think about
ghosts.
That's a lovely idea.
I'm not sure how the science ofit works out or whatever, but I
like it.
I like it.
What about you, Addie?
Are you a ghost believer?
Addy Goodman (23:08):
Yes, I was obsessed with ghosts in fifth
grade.
I would go to my school libraryand like get books about ghosts
.
So I feel like I think thatghosts I disagree with Ella.
I think that they can haunt youknow like if, if you're enemies
with someone, you can hauntthem as a ghost, in my opinion.
I think I agree with Ella aboutlike they can come back from
wherever they are.
(23:28):
They can come back like as aghost and they can either haunt
you or like just like her idea,just be with you, not live, but
like be with you but also withthe paranormal.
No one can convince me thatthere isn't like something else
out there, but like aliens.
Yeah, our universe is just like.
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I've watched like a few videosof just like expanding from,
like our small view of like oursolar system, like an expanding
outwards.
There's just so much out therethat I believe there is
definitely other things.
Ella Goodman (24:03):
It's definitely not just us.
I 1000% believe in aliens.
There is no way we're the onlythings alive in the whole
universe.
No way.
Addy Goodman (24:10):
We've also seen some like things in the sky that
are unexplained.
Ella Goodman (24:14):
So I think they're spaceships.
Addy Goodman (24:16):
Maybe yeah, or whatever.
They're called Alien spaceships, yeah.
Ella Goodman (24:20):
Okay.
Also, I think ghosts can hauntpeople, but I think people need
to give ghosts a break.
I don't think they're all outhere evil.
That's my problem with peopleand when they think about ghosts
.
Not all ghosts are bad likethat.
Lyle Wiley (24:32):
Anyway, that's what I had to say about that l is out
here fighting for ghostsrepresentation and rights yeah I
like it.
Yeah, uh, we definitely havebeen talking about on the
clapocalypse a lot about, likehorror movies and ghosts and
stuff.
In a way, that's, uh, maybe alittle bit unfair to these poor
ghosts that are just trying tolive their best un-life now, so
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I appreciate that.
Addy Goodman (24:57):
Ellen, that's good .
Lyle Wiley (24:58):
Yeah, Addy, I kind of.
I mean, I think it's difficultto just slam the door on
anything paranormal, right,there's just too much stuff
that's unexplained out there, soit's like I don't know.
I think pretty reasonable tothink something's going on, yeah
, so I'm going to shift gearsback.
You both already talked alittle bit about anxieties and
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some of the hard things thatcome with public speaking in
general and just how scary itcan be.
I mean, ella's entire originstory is like I don't want to do
this.
This is not something I'm atall interested in.
I don't know why I'm even tryingto do this, but like I want to,
I want to talk to you guysabout like managing, uh,
anxieties a little bit because,you've both been able to do it
and be very successful, uh, bothas like in in terms of
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competition and then also justin terms of sharing really, um,
important perspectives that areimportant to you and I think
that are important to be shared.
So how, like I've got a bigmonster three-part question for
you so and you can kind of taketurns if you want answering this
in parts but how have youexperienced anxiety first and
then how does that anxiety likemanifest itself, like physically
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and emotionally for you andthen, like what are some of the
strategies that have worked foryou for like managing that
anxiety in performance and alsojust like social situations and
stuff too in speech, Causethere's a lot of that as well.
Addy Goodman (26:16):
It's not just performance.
Lyle Wiley (26:17):
It's also like the whole thing right.
There's a lot of anxiety thatcomes with all that.
Ella Goodman (26:22):
I think I am a very anxious person.
I've always been a very anxiousperson Like, um, oh my gosh,
I've been to like therapy a fewtimes for like anxiety and stuff
.
It's it's hard to deal with forsure.
Um, and I think, especiallywhen like speech is, it's a
really scary thing to do to justgo and talk in front of people,
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like, no matter what the eventyou do is, it's scary, it's a
really scary thing.
It can be really nerve wrackingbecause you know everybody's
just going to be like watchingyou for like however many
minutes, like just you talking.
And I think, oh my gosh, likein the COVID era, the online
season I did not have to worryabout this too much.
If I was anxious, I was likejittery, you know, like bouncing
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my leg or like playing with myhands.
Hands I could just get up andjump around.
But when I had to go back inperson for speech, that's when I
had to really find a way todeal with it while sitting in a
room without being disruptive.
But I think anxiety it manifestsitself in me when I think I get
really anxious.
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I like move a lot.
It's really hard for me to bestill, you know, and then that
just gets me more worked up.
Also, I think, like mentally,I'll just psych myself out.
I'll be like what if I forgetmy speech?
Or what if my boards fall offmy stand?
Or what if I go up there andlike I don't know?
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I just like play the what ifgame with myself and I just
think of like all these awfulthings that could happen.
And then it, like you know,it's just like an endless cycle
where you just get more and morenervous and it's really really
hard to get out of, but it's notimpossible, which is good.
Addy Goodman (28:04):
Mine it's a little .
I think it's a bit unhealthybecause of the fact that I think
that I do get anxiety sometimes, but I don't really like to
admit it or to like think aboutit.
I kind of just like push it tothe back of my mind and then it
just kind of like starts tobuild up in like the back of my
mind and then it just becomesreally hard for me to like, I
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don't know, just stay calm and Idon't know.
So that's like a way it kind ofaffects me.
And then another way I think itkind of affects me is I feel
like I just have to be so goodat everything I do right away,
like I don't know, being anovice this year it felt like a
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little bit more difficult for mejust because of the fact that I
wanted perfection right awayand like I was kind of telling
myself that if I wasn't perfectright away, if I wasn't like
placing in like varsitycompetition right away, like I
wasn't doing it right or like Iwas bad at what I was doing
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doing it right or like I was badat what I was doing.
And I think that that's kind ofthe way that the anxiety kind
of like built up and just kindof became a lot, but I've
obviously found ways to likehandle it yeah, do you do either
of?
Ella Goodman (29:22):
you have like physical manifestations of
levels of anxiety and and justworry oh my gosh, when I get
like sometimes oh, I remember Iwould be like sitting in rounds
sometimes and I would just be soscared.
You know, like I'm like movingaround, like I'm keep shifting
in my chair, like I startpicking at like my fingers, I
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like I'm breathing really likerapid, like shallow breaths,
which is not not good, not goingto calm me down at all.
And then you rapid, likeshallow breaths, which is not
not good, not going to calm medown at all, and then you know
like your heart's beating superfast and it's just like you
can't even really think aboutanything else other than the
fact that you're just likereally, you know, freaked out,
you're really anxious and it's,it sucks, it really sucks.
Lyle Wiley (30:03):
Addie, do you have some of those like physical
manifestations too?
Addy Goodman (30:11):
Yeah, I think a bit my heart obviously like goes
up quite a bit and then I alsokind of I like shiver.
It's it's weird, but like Ijust start kind of like
shivering.
It's it's weird, I'm not surewhy, because it's like obviously
with I don't know, I just likeit's usually warm where I am,
but but it's just kind of like Ijust start shivering and then
also, obviously, when I'm not inrounds and I kind of am like I
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guess, like by myself, sometimesI cry and I think that it is a
way that my anxiety like comesout.
But it's also kind of a waythat I can just like decompress
a little bit and just I don'tknow feel what I need to feel.
Ella Goodman (30:50):
There's lots of crying at speech tournaments.
But I think crying is a totallynormal thing and, like our mom
always says, that cryingcompletes the stress cycle.
I don't really know the wholescience behind that, but I think
it's true.
I mean, after you have a goodcry, you know, sometimes you
just feel better.
So I think it's normal to cry,it's okay to cry and sometimes
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it's nice.
Lyle Wiley (31:15):
Yeah, cathartic, almost right, like just kind of
like, take some of that off you.
Yeah, so I think we're evendipping into some solutions.
But, yeah, so what has helpedyou both manage your anxiety,
your worry, your self doubt, theyou know, just the fears that
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are involved with this universe?
What are some of the thingsthat you've done that have
helped you?
Ella Goodman (31:41):
I think, with the like, the what ifs, the
catastrophizing I think youcalled it with that, I always,
you know, I'm like, oh, I thinkof like, what if all these bad
things happen?
What if this happens?
But then my mom, she just hasall the best solutions for this
stuff, but she, like she told methat if I'm like, okay if I, if
you think what if?
About all the bad things, youalso have to think what if about
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all the good things.
You have to be like, okay, whatif?
Yeah, what if I go up there andforget my speech?
But what if I don't and I do itperfect?
And what if my boards fall offmy stand?
But what if they stay?
And it's like seamless, and Ijust do everything so perfectly
Like I think, if you're going to, you know, play the what if
game in the negative way, youalso have to say what if to all
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the positive things as well.
And I think that's somethingthat's helped me a lot, because
then I realized, like this isall just like, it's just what if
?
Like, none of it has evenhappened yet.
And so if I'm going to, youknow, think about all the
negative things that happen, Ialso have to think about.
Well, what if I just go in thisround and, like you know, kill
it?
Addy Goodman (32:42):
What if it all works out?
Ella Goodman (32:43):
Yeah, I have.
We're sitting right in front ofa mirror in my room right now
and I have a sticky note onthere that says what if it all
works out?
And I like to like, if I startgetting really freaked out about
things and I just think, whatif?
About all the bad things?
I just say to myself I'm like,what if it all works out?
I think that has helped me alot, kind of on like a similar
note to that, I have thesemantras that I like to say to
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myself Sometimes I like put itas my wallpaper, but I mean, I
think mantras are different foreveryone, like, uh, you know,
just you can look them up andfind ones that work for you.
I have a few of them, but Ithink my favorite one.
I like to say my strongfeelings do not control me, and
I think that really helps me alot, because if I'm like
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no-transcript.
Hey campers, camp One Clap is in full swing.
Here on day eight, we're doingour best and straight up
thriving out here in theclapocalypse.
Here to join us today at campare two fabulous speech and
debate stars friend of thepodcast, ella Goodman, and new
camp staffer Addie Goodman.
I'm your camp director and hostof the One Clap Speech and
Debate podcast, lyle Wiley.
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We aim to ignite inspirationand courage for everyone
listening and help you overcomeyour fears and confidently bring
your vibrant voices to thespeech and debate season.
Quick reminder check the OneClap socials for today's social
media challenge.
There's still lots of awesomeengagement out there and I
absolutely love it.
Let me tell you about Ella andAddie, who are here to chat
about ways to handle anxiety andperformance and give us some
other nuggets of inspiration andadvice.
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Ella Goodman took part in speechand debate for all four years
of her high school career.
She has competed in publicforum, world schools, expository
and informative, which was hermain and favorite event.
Her passion for speech anddebate stems from her belief in
its ability to empower youngpeople, providing them with a
platform to share their passionsand perspectives on a variety
of topics.
Some accomplishments she ismost proud of include being the
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champion of informative speakingat the National Individual
Events Tournament of Champions,placing 14th at NSDA National
Tournament in Informative, beinga two-time state champion in
Informative and being afour-time national qualifier.
Addie Goodman competed in hervery first year of speech in
2023 to 2024 school year at EastHigh School.
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She's competed in drama, humor,duo and poetry, with humor
being her main event.
Addie loves interpretationevents because she believes that
you can share an importantmessage through acting.
Some accomplishments that Addieis most proud of are winning
the MASC II tournament,qualifying to nationals,
breaking to finals at state,winning novice of the year and
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breaking to octofinals atnationals.
All right, let's jump into myinterview with ella and addy
goodman.
Thank you both for joining mehere at the clap up, the
clapocalypse uh, try saying thatthree times really fast we're
excited to be here.
Ella Goodman (02:20):
Yes, clap clapocalypse.
Yes, help us survive the clapapocalypse.
Lyle Wiley (02:25):
Yes set the tone, um , and start thinking about fear
and, and uh, being scared.
What do you?
What's your favorite scarystory, like a movie, a book,
just a spoken word story?
What do you got for me?
Addy Goodman (02:40):
uh, you go first.
Ella Goodman (02:41):
Okay, I'm still thinking, oh, I don't think.
I mean, I don't know addy'sanswer, but we both are not
really super into scary stuff.
We would much rather watchsomething happy.
I mean, we used to, I used tolike this is kind of mean, but
like sometimes when addy and Iwould like have sleepovers
together, I would like tellscary stories and then she would
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get really freaked out likethere was this one.
It's really sad.
It's more of a sad story than ascary story about like this
lady that like lives in thewoods by herself and she's like
an old lady and, like her doglicks her feet every night
before she goes to bed.
But then one night she likereads in the newspaper about
this guy who like escaped from amental institution, and then
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she, like her dog is licking herfeet, and then she, like her
dog is licking her feet and thenshe like goes into the bathroom
when a dog is dead in thebathtub.
Like I remember, I told addythat one time and she could not
sleep for like weeks.
That's best.
I don't know if I'm gonna sleepfor weeks I was just gonna say
something like hocus pocus okay,well, I had to be creative, I
had to think of a good one.
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Yes, oh, oh, my goodness.
Lyle Wiley (03:45):
Yeah, that's a pretty terrifying story.
Yeah, I know, have yourecovered?
Have?
Addy Goodman (03:52):
you recovered from her telling you that story?
No, sometimes I actually dostill think about it.
Lyle Wiley (03:58):
Are you going to roll with Hocus Pocus Addie?
Is that your answer?
Addy Goodman (04:07):
Yeah, I think Hocus Pocus is my answer.
It's not very scary, but it'slike Halloween scary.
Ella Goodman (04:09):
I was scared of Zootopia when I first watched it
is that a scary?
Well, to me it was scary like Idon't remember some part.
It like jump scared me.
I was just scared of lots ofthings, so anything can count as
a scary story for me.
Lyle Wiley (04:22):
Okay, well, I'll keep that in mind.
Be careful, okay.
What were you going to say,addie?
Sorry.
Ella Goodman (04:29):
Oh, I was trying to think of I don't know like my
favorite Halloween movie orsomething.
Yeah, I don't know.
There's so many good ones.
Except I like happy Halloweenmovies, not scary.
Lyle Wiley (04:41):
Yeah, you don't watch the scary serial killer
movies or the slasher bloodymovies.
Addy Goodman (04:49):
You're not into that stuff I felt like really
tempted to before, though ohyeah, because it's like you see
things.
Well, I see things on likesocial media and like that makes
me want to watch them andfigure out what happens.
Ella Goodman (05:01):
You know, like on tiktok when they post like like
a part of an episode of likesome scary moot show and then
you go on the profile and youlike watch the whole episode in
segments how people do it ontiktok.
Lyle Wiley (05:13):
That's probably the most I've watched of a scary
movie, but I don't know, almostagainst your will, like you just
kind of grab a hole into it.
I just can't stop watching thisyeah yeah, it's hard to look
away sometimes.
Let's transition from scarystories to the apocalypse.
Say there's an actualapocalypse, hopefully this won't
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happen, but there's a dystopianuniverse that we were living in
, now this wasteland.
So, on a scale of 1 to 10, um,what are your survival chances?
Uh, both of you, what do youthink?
Ella Goodman (05:48):
I feel like, okay, what kind of apocalypse is it?
Is it like the zombieapocalypse?
Lyle Wiley (05:54):
like I mean we could roll with the zombie apocalypse
, I mean okay it could also justbe like a you know, low
resources, uh, embattled thewasteland, kind of apocalypse
too, which is similar to thezombie apocalypse, I guess.
Um, but yeah, I don't know,what do you think?
Addy Goodman (06:09):
do you think you could survive in a situation
where you can go first I think Iwould, um, I agree, I think
that I have, I don't know, Ithink that I would just have
good instincts with that I don't, I don't know.
Also, I feel like the hungergames, they kind of.
I feel like I'd like you'd dogood, use some tactics for sure
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to maybe survive.
So I think my chances ofsurviving is probably like an
eight oh, I would give you likea nine.
Ella Goodman (06:39):
Okay, I think addy would.
I addy would totally survivethe apocalypse.
I think the hardest thing forher would be like no 10-step
skincare routine, but like otherthan that I think you could do
it.
Addie, I think me.
No, I'm not making it very far.
Addy Goodman (06:59):
I think that you would.
I think maybe you would justlike step out.
If it was like a zombieapocalypse and you were hiding,
you'd just step out and showyourself.
Ella Goodman (07:08):
No, I give myself a three, I give you a four.
Addy Goodman (07:12):
I think, I think you're at a four.
Ella Goodman (07:14):
The moral of the story is I think Addie is doing
a lot better in the apocalypsethan I am.
Lyle Wiley (07:19):
Gotcha, are there specific skills that you both
bring to the table?
That would be useful in anapocalyptic situation.
Ella Goodman (07:27):
I mean, you're both very strong communicators.
I think I'm like, oh my gosh,when we go to speech tournaments
, I am an overpacker, so I woulddefinitely be prepared.
I would have like food,flashlights, you know, I don't
know what else you need in anapocalypse, but I would.
I'd be stocked up, that's.
I think I would be good likeplanning ahead and bringing what
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we need.
I don't, I don't know, youwould get violent, okay that's
what I think.
Addy Goodman (07:57):
I don't think I think, I think I'd find a good
hiding spot good, a good hider.
Lyle Wiley (08:03):
Yeah, can either of you cook um?
Addy Goodman (08:06):
I can, I think yeah I feel like I can cook.
Ella Goodman (08:11):
If I have a recipe , I'm fine.
I can't just like make thingslike off the top of my head,
though are you campers some?
Things.
No, I would rather go glampingthan camping.
I don't like going to thebathroom in the woods.
I don't like porta potties Ilove camping.
Addy Goodman (08:30):
I think it's so fun.
I've only been camping liketwice in my life, but every
single time I've done it.
Ella Goodman (08:35):
I love it, reconnecting with nature like no
, I like I like being outside,but I like don't I get too
scared to like sleep in a tentlike you never know what's gonna
.
Somebody could just walk in thetent.
Like I need to lock the door, Ineed to be safe, I need, I need
security like that fair enough?
Lyle Wiley (08:55):
uh, yes, I'm feeling like ella's not gonna have a
good chance of surviving theapocalypse you never know so far
, out of most of the folks thatI've talked to, speech and
debate.
People in general maybe aren'tthe uh, they maybe don't have
the best chance of like doingsuper well in the apocalypse.
Uh, most of us are like I don'tthink I have much to bring to
the table.
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I'm really organized and cancommunicate, but, like yeah I
still think, addy, she, she'spretty.
Ella Goodman (09:21):
I think she's pretty strong.
Like she's been been workingout in the basement.
I can hear it from my room LikeI feel like you could beat up
some zombies.
Yeah, yeah, I think I havefaith in her.
I think she's surviving.
Lyle Wiley (09:34):
Cool.
Well, addie's probably our bestbet so far.
So it's good to know, good toknow.
So, ella, we've talked aboutyour speech and debate origin a
little bit, but I'd like torevisit this question for both
you and Addie.
What got you two into speechand debate?
And you know, like, how did youget started at all?
Ella Goodman (09:53):
You want me to go first?
Yeah, okay.
Well, in eighth grade, Iremember eighth grade was the
2019-2020 school year for me, soit was like the beginning of
COVID.
2019, 2020 school year for me.
So it was like the beginning ofCOVID.
But before we all got sent homefrom school and stuff, I
remember we were signing up forelectives and one of my friends
and I we were like like I waslike I want to like take this
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speech class.
I didn't know what speech anddebate was.
I had no idea, but I was alwaysso scared.
I was so, so scared of likepublic speaking.
I was so shy, I, but I was likeI need to like push myself.
You know, I was like I'm goingto high school, I need to like
try new things and be brave andwhatever.
So I just like signed up forthe class and then, you know,
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the school year started.
We were, we had masks and we hadto get our temperature taken.
You know, every time we walkedinto school.
But I came in the speech roomand I was like I was so scared
and then they started talkingabout like oh, this is what
speech is, this is how it works,and I, like I decided.
I was like I'm not doing it,this is so scary, like it's not
happening.
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But then, like I don't.
Like Vaini always says like doit and you're cool, you just got
to try it, you know.
And so I mean I came topractices, I like participated
in the class and I was so scaredbut I mean I found that I
really liked it.
You know, I really like to talkabout something that I'm like
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passionate about or that I thinkis interesting, and I've just
stuck with it ever since.
Lyle Wiley (11:23):
Yeah, that's's yours , that is cool that's a nice
like uh overcoming fears kind ofstory too which we'll be
talking about but yeah, so whatabout you, addy?
Was this, uh, totally differentkind of experience coming into
the speech debate universe?
Addy Goodman (11:37):
yeah, um, I've obviously known about speech
ever since sixth grade becauseElla was a freshman my sixth
grade year and I just remembershe, she's just always told me
like sixth through eighth gradethat I just like have to do
speech, like I have to do it.
I I remember I always told herI'm like I'm not gonna do it, I
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just don't think I could do it,I don't think it would, I
couldn't handle like drivinghome really late at night,
getting home late from liketournaments.
And I remember in eighth gradeI just like I just decided I was
like OK, I'll just switch itlike when I don't like it next
year, because I don't think I'mgoing to like it, I'll just
switch my elective and sign upfor it.
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And I walk in there the firstday into my speech class and
it's my first ever class of highschool and I just remember
walking in there and I don'tknow I just like there was just
a very like nice energy to itbut it was still very nerve
wracking for me.
And I remember like the firstday our friend Solomon just like
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kind of like talked me throughall of the events and it was
really scary and I remember Ialways like kind of wanted to do
humor.
That's always been likesomething that I've really
wanted to do.
I called it.
Ella Goodman (12:53):
I told her from the beginning I was like Addie,
this would.
You would be so good at this.
Like humor is just such anAddie event.
Addy Goodman (13:00):
And I was like I knew it and we had to like sign
up on a sheet for all the eventswe wanted to do and I was like
choosing things like PF insteadof like humor.
I was like choosing all thedebates.
I personally think I'm more ofa speech person, but I was
signing up for all the debateevents I was not going to.
Are you there, God?
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It's be Margaret.
The script I got this year andI just kind of started to love
doing interp and it just likebecame something that I loved
and obviously like doing it withElla was like so fun this year
before she leaves.
So that's kind of what made medo it, so like Ella was the one
that inspired me.
Okay.
Ella Goodman (13:42):
This Addy was talking about.
She didn't want to come homesuper late.
I know that people won't beable to see this picture, but oh
my gosh, this is a picture ofaddie when we got home from our
first overnight tournament.
She was exhausted, she, she wasso tired.
She was like, oh my gosh.
She was like I'm never going onone of these again.
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It was hilarious.
Lyle Wiley (14:06):
Addie's definitely not a night owl, I think I am
when I'm at home.
Addy Goodman (14:11):
She hates the bus.
I hate the bus.
It's pretty rough back theresometimes.
Ella Goodman (14:20):
Oh my gosh.
You know how Sharina and I haveour Crocs.
Addie has Crocs now too, but wealways sit by the heater and
I'm always the sacrifice.
I'm always the one right on topof the heater and one of my
Crocs is, like you know, smallerthan the other one because it's
melted on the heater Like thebus is a struggle.
Lyle Wiley (14:46):
Yeah, the Crocs don't agree with.
Like the heater, heater, that'slike.
No one place where it'sprobably not great to have crocs
is like next to a heat sourcelike a campfire.
Yeah, so the crocs will live on, though um after they're gone
ella.
Ella Goodman (14:57):
Yeah, I'm gonna continue on the legacy of andrew
.
Andrew schultz, he has a pairofcs too.
Addy Goodman (15:02):
He was styling them since the beginning of the
year.
He had them since the beginning.
Lyle Wiley (15:06):
So the Crocs will be repped, even though Elle is
gone and Sharina graduated.
So sad.
That's a legacy.
That's a true legacy to pass on.
So what about some good originstories Between the two of you?
You probably have a lot ofevents you've competed in.
What are some of the eventsyou've competed in?
Ella Goodman (15:28):
Oh, you have more, you can go first.
Addy Goodman (15:30):
Oh, okay, I've done humor duo, drama and poetry
.
Yeah and X-Boss, oh and X-Boss,yeah Right.
Lyle Wiley (15:43):
Yeah.
And Ella you've mostly doneplatform right.
But, did you branch out alittle bit this year?
You were talking about maybedoing that.
Ella Goodman (15:51):
Well, okay, I started.
I was going to do Congressbecause this man named Will Ward
I don't know if you know him hepeer pressured me into it.
Lyle Wiley (16:02):
He's good at peer pressure.
Ella Goodman (16:04):
Yeah, he was like congress, do congress.
And I was so scared and Ididn't like want to, but I like
planned for the first tournamentto do congress.
I was like I don't want to docongress.
And for months he thought I wasdoing congress so he would
print the dockets for me wasteso much paper and I was so
scared to tell him that I quitcongress.
I was so scared when I told himI well, don't print these for
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me anymore, I don't do Congress.
He's like oh okay, but so Istarted in Congress.
Then I went to PF.
I competed in PF for onetournament.
Patrick Coggin was my partner,so shout out to Patrick.
And then I went to info andthat's like what I did for most
of my career.
(16:45):
I did, though, at nationals.
I did world schools once andI've done a lot of expository,
which I love expository.
Lyle Wiley (16:52):
So yeah, Expository is a really fun cool event, so
yeah, it's kind of we had it onthe regular circuit.
Ella Goodman (17:00):
I like these like five minute events.
Lyle Wiley (17:01):
They're kind of a little bit easier to judge too.
I think a little bit easier tojudge too, I think, a little bit
more accessible for people.
But, yeah, we should, addie,you did pretty well in Expos
this year.
Addy Goodman (17:12):
Yeah, I made it to .
I can't remember how far did Imake it.
I think quarterfinals, right,yeah, somewhere like that.
But yeah, it was very cool,yeah, and it was so awesome it
was very cool yeah, and Ellie,you did well in your main event
this year.
Lyle Wiley (17:24):
So you went all the way to semifinals this year and
informative in your senior year.
Ella Goodman (17:29):
Yeah, it was so fun, amazing.
I met so many nice people.
It was awesome, so cool.
Lyle Wiley (17:38):
Well, congratulations to you both on a
great season.
What are some of the things?
Just something unique.
You learned, either aboutyourself or the activity this
season specifically.
Ella Goodman (17:44):
Just something unique, you learned either about
yourself or the activity thisseason specifically.
I think I mean every speechseason I think I've had a lot of
like growth as a speaker andlike as a person.
But this year I think I thinkI've always been really like
scared to be like proud ofmyself, you know.
But this year I think I justlike decided I'm like you know,
I'm working hard and if I'm likedoing well, I'm putting in the
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work, like I am proud of myselfand it's cool that I'm like
placing and winning and that'sawesome.
And so I think I learned to beproud of myself and know that
like I deserve myaccomplishments because like I'm
working hard for them.
And I think I also learned thatlike I'm like I am capable of
so much more than I think I am.
You know, as long as I justlike believe in myself, I feel
(18:26):
like I mean I feel like this is,you know.
As long as I just like believein myself, I feel like I mean I
feel like this is true foranybody as long as you just
believe in yourself, you reallycan do anything you set your
mind to.
And I feel like that's alsosomething that I realized this
season about myself.
Lyle Wiley (18:42):
That sounds like a really great journey of, like
you know, self celebration andunderstanding.
Yeah that's good.
That's good.
So did you do you feel like youdid kind of celebrate a little
bit more this year than you havein the past, Like for yourself?
Yeah?
Ella Goodman (18:54):
Cause I mean.
I was always scared.
So I don't know, I don't wantto be like cocky or like
bragging or things, but I'm likeI don't.
I do also want to be proud ofmyself, you know, and I think
it's being proud of yourself isa good thing.
Lyle Wiley (19:10):
Absolutely.
Ella Goodman (19:11):
Yeah, yeah.
Lyle Wiley (19:12):
But yeah, you are pretty like unassuming, pretty
humble person, so that's like akind of a complicated, difficult
journey, so it's good thatyou're going through it now.
Ella Goodman (19:21):
Yeah.
Lyle Wiley (19:22):
And you do deserve a lot of celebration, so that's
cool, thank you.
Ella Goodman (19:26):
What about you, Addie?
What about?
Lyle Wiley (19:27):
you Addie.
What about you?
Did you?
Did you learn some stuff aboutyourself this year?
Addy Goodman (19:31):
I think I think I definitely did.
I think I think I'm a prettyoutgoing person usually, but I
think I like become like prettyscared about like what the
outcome of things is going to be.
So I think I am a bit of likean overthinker with you know the
way things are going to turnout, and at the start of this
year I was just nervous that Iwasn't going to do well and it
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just wasn't going to be as fun.
But then I kind of justrealized it's about like
spreading a message that I feellike very passionate about.
And I think that I learned thatI like to like speak about
things I feel very passionateabout.
And I think that I learned thatI like to like speak about
things I feel very passionateabout and the fact that even
when it's really scary, I can dohard things.
And you know, it's like a lotof people feel like scared in
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speech, obviously, like whenthey're performing and that kind
of stuff.
But I think remembering thatyou can do hard things is very
important, because I thoughtabout that a lot this year,
especially at like nationals,like with expo's, like when I
kept moving up, like it kind ofgot like more scary and like
when, um, I made it tooctofinals in humor and I
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remember I was like by myself inthe room, which was very scary.
But I think what I did beforemy performances in octofinals
was in like, I guess likequarters, was like just
reminding myself I can do hardthings and I get to spread my
message, which is like kind ofwhat I learned this year.
Lyle Wiley (21:07):
That's really awesome message which is like
kind of what I learned this year.
That's really awesome and it islike a lovely thing about
speech and debate that, eventhough we're very we're.
We're competitive, of course,like it's impossible to pull the
competitive stuff out of it,but, uh, whether you know,
whatever the results, you stillget the opportunity to share
what's important to you.
Um, in a way that's just reallyincredible.
So that's cool.
(21:27):
I'm glad you both had some goodrevelations this year.
I want to take a moment forjust like a spooky interlude and
ask you if you believe inghosts and the paranormal.
Ella Goodman (21:41):
What do you?
Lyle Wiley (21:41):
think how do you guys feel about ghosts?
Okay, not real.
Ella Goodman (21:45):
I think ghosts I totally I think they are are
totally real, but I think not inthe way that like they're in a
lot of movies, where they'relike evil and out to get people.
I think like, okay, this iswhat I like to think.
I like to think that, you know,like when people die, they go.
I don't know where they go.
They go somewhere like in thesky or something I don't know.
And then when they want just tolike come like see people, like
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their loved ones, or they justwant to go back, they I think
they can just like come back todown and, just like you know,
walk around, like do their ownthing.
I don't think people can seethem, but like I don't think
they're out to get people.
I don't think ghosts are likeevil coming to haunt you.
I think they're there like Idon't know.
Just I was gonna say livingtheir lives, but they're dead.
(22:30):
So they're not living theirlives, but like I don't know,
they're just doing their ownthing, like just yeah, and I
think that's maybe like when youlike you remember someone that
like like a loved one, that'slike past or something you're
like, you think about something,maybe that's them just like
walking around.
I don't know, that's what Ilike to think about something.
Maybe that's them just likewalking around.
Lyle Wiley (22:50):
I don't know that's what I like to think about
ghosts.
That's a lovely idea.
I'm not sure how the science ofit works out or whatever, but I
like it.
I like it.
What about you, Addie?
Are you a ghost believer?
Addy Goodman (23:08):
Yes, I was obsessed with ghosts in fifth
grade.
I would go to my school libraryand like get books about ghosts
.
So I feel like I think thatghosts I disagree with Ella.
I think that they can haunt youknow like if, if you're enemies
with someone, you can hauntthem as a ghost, in my opinion.
I think I agree with Ella aboutlike they can come back from
wherever they are.
(23:28):
They can come back like as aghost and they can either haunt
you or like just like her idea,just be with you, not live, but
like be with you but also withthe paranormal.
No one can convince me thatthere isn't like something else
out there, but like aliens.
Yeah, our universe is just like.
(23:49):
I've watched like a few videosof just like expanding from,
like our small view of like oursolar system, like an expanding
outwards.
There's just so much out therethat I believe there is
definitely other things.
Ella Goodman (24:03):
It's definitely not just us.
I 1000% believe in aliens.
There is no way we're the onlythings alive in the whole
universe.
No way.
Addy Goodman (24:10):
We've also seen some like things in the sky that
are unexplained.
Ella Goodman (24:14):
So I think they're spaceships.
Addy Goodman (24:16):
Maybe yeah, or whatever.
They're called Alien spaceships, yeah.
Ella Goodman (24:20):
Okay.
Also, I think ghosts can hauntpeople, but I think people need
to give ghosts a break.
I don't think they're all outhere evil.
That's my problem with peopleand when they think about ghosts
.
Not all ghosts are bad likethat.
Lyle Wiley (24:32):
Anyway, that's what I had to say about that l is out
here fighting for ghostsrepresentation and rights yeah I
like it.
Yeah, uh, we definitely havebeen talking about on the
clapocalypse a lot about, likehorror movies and ghosts and
stuff.
In a way, that's, uh, maybe alittle bit unfair to these poor
ghosts that are just trying tolive their best un-life now, so
(24:56):
I appreciate that.
Addy Goodman (24:57):
Ellen, that's good .
Lyle Wiley (24:58):
Yeah, Addy, I kind of.
I mean, I think it's difficultto just slam the door on
anything paranormal, right,there's just too much stuff
that's unexplained out there, soit's like I don't know.
I think pretty reasonable tothink something's going on, yeah
, so I'm going to shift gearsback.
You both already talked alittle bit about anxieties and
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some of the hard things thatcome with public speaking in
general and just how scary itcan be.
I mean, ella's entire originstory is like I don't want to do
this.
This is not something I'm atall interested in.
I don't know why I'm even tryingto do this, but like I want to,
I want to talk to you guysabout like managing, uh,
anxieties a little bit because,you've both been able to do it
and be very successful, uh, bothas like in in terms of
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competition and then also justin terms of sharing really, um,
important perspectives that areimportant to you and I think
that are important to be shared.
So how, like I've got a bigmonster three-part question for
you so and you can kind of taketurns if you want answering this
in parts but how have youexperienced anxiety first and
then how does that anxiety likemanifest itself, like physically
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and emotionally for you andthen, like what are some of the
strategies that have worked foryou for like managing that
anxiety in performance and alsojust like social situations and
stuff too in speech, Causethere's a lot of that as well.
Addy Goodman (26:16):
It's not just performance.
Lyle Wiley (26:17):
It's also like the whole thing right.
There's a lot of anxiety thatcomes with all that.
Ella Goodman (26:22):
I think I am a very anxious person.
I've always been a very anxiousperson Like, um, oh my gosh,
I've been to like therapy a fewtimes for like anxiety and stuff
.
It's it's hard to deal with forsure.
Um, and I think, especiallywhen like speech is, it's a
really scary thing to do to justgo and talk in front of people,
(26:43):
like, no matter what the eventyou do is, it's scary, it's a
really scary thing.
It can be really nerve wrackingbecause you know everybody's
just going to be like watchingyou for like however many
minutes, like just you talking.
And I think, oh my gosh, likein the COVID era, the online
season I did not have to worryabout this too much.
If I was anxious, I was likejittery, you know, like bouncing
(27:06):
my leg or like playing with myhands.
Hands I could just get up andjump around.
But when I had to go back inperson for speech, that's when I
had to really find a way todeal with it while sitting in a
room without being disruptive.
But I think anxiety it manifestsitself in me when I think I get
really anxious.
(27:26):
I like move a lot.
It's really hard for me to bestill, you know, and then that
just gets me more worked up.
Also, I think, like mentally,I'll just psych myself out.
I'll be like what if I forgetmy speech?
Or what if my boards fall offmy stand?
Or what if I go up there andlike I don't know?
(27:46):
I just like play the what ifgame with myself and I just
think of like all these awfulthings that could happen.
And then it, like you know,it's just like an endless cycle
where you just get more and morenervous and it's really really
hard to get out of, but it's notimpossible, which is good.
Addy Goodman (28:04):
Mine it's a little .
I think it's a bit unhealthybecause of the fact that I think
that I do get anxiety sometimes, but I don't really like to
admit it or to like think aboutit.
I kind of just like push it tothe back of my mind and then it
just kind of like starts tobuild up in like the back of my
mind and then it just becomesreally hard for me to like, I
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don't know, just stay calm and Idon't know.
So that's like a way it kind ofaffects me.
And then another way I think itkind of affects me is I feel
like I just have to be so goodat everything I do right away,
like I don't know, being anovice this year it felt like a
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little bit more difficult for mejust because of the fact that I
wanted perfection right awayand like I was kind of telling
myself that if I wasn't perfectright away, if I wasn't like
placing in like varsitycompetition right away, like I
wasn't doing it right or like Iwas bad at what I was doing
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doing it right or like I was badat what I was doing.
And I think that that's kind ofthe way that the anxiety kind
of like built up and just kindof became a lot, but I've
obviously found ways to likehandle it yeah, do you do either
of?
Ella Goodman (29:22):
you have like physical manifestations of
levels of anxiety and and justworry oh my gosh, when I get
like sometimes oh, I remember Iwould be like sitting in rounds
sometimes and I would just be soscared.
You know, like I'm like movingaround, like I'm keep shifting
in my chair, like I startpicking at like my fingers, I
(29:43):
like I'm breathing really likerapid, like shallow breaths,
which is not not good, not goingto calm me down at all.
And then you rapid, likeshallow breaths, which is not
not good, not going to calm medown at all, and then you know
like your heart's beating superfast and it's just like you
can't even really think aboutanything else other than the
fact that you're just likereally, you know, freaked out,
you're really anxious and it's,it sucks, it really sucks.
Lyle Wiley (30:03):
Addie, do you have some of those like physical
manifestations too?
Addy Goodman (30:11):
Yeah, I think a bit my heart obviously like goes
up quite a bit and then I alsokind of I like shiver.
It's it's weird, but like Ijust start kind of like
shivering.
It's it's weird, I'm not surewhy, because it's like obviously
with I don't know, I just likeit's usually warm where I am,
but but it's just kind of like Ijust start shivering and then
also, obviously, when I'm not inrounds and I kind of am like I
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guess, like by myself, sometimesI cry and I think that it is a
way that my anxiety like comesout.
But it's also kind of a waythat I can just like decompress
a little bit and just I don'tknow feel what I need to feel.
Ella Goodman (30:50):
There's lots of crying at speech tournaments.
But I think crying is a totallynormal thing and, like our mom
always says, that cryingcompletes the stress cycle.
I don't really know the wholescience behind that, but I think
it's true.
I mean, after you have a goodcry, you know, sometimes you
just feel better.
So I think it's normal to cry,it's okay to cry and sometimes
(31:12):
it's nice.
Lyle Wiley (31:15):
Yeah, cathartic, almost right, like just kind of
like, take some of that off you.
Yeah, so I think we're evendipping into some solutions.
But, yeah, so what has helpedyou both manage your anxiety,
your worry, your self doubt, theyou know, just the fears that
(31:36):
are involved with this universe?
What are some of the thingsthat you've done that have
helped you?
Ella Goodman (31:41):
I think, with the like, the what ifs, the
catastrophizing I think youcalled it with that, I always,
you know, I'm like, oh, I thinkof like, what if all these bad
things happen?
What if this happens?
But then my mom, she just hasall the best solutions for this
stuff, but she, like she told methat if I'm like, okay if I, if
you think what if?
About all the bad things, youalso have to think what if about
(32:02):
all the good things.
You have to be like, okay, whatif?
Yeah, what if I go up there andforget my speech?
But what if I don't and I do itperfect?
And what if my boards fall offmy stand?
But what if they stay?
And it's like seamless, and Ijust do everything so perfectly
Like I think, if you're going to, you know, play the what if
game in the negative way, youalso have to say what if to all
(32:23):
the positive things as well.
And I think that's somethingthat's helped me a lot, because
then I realized, like this isall just like, it's just what if
?
Like, none of it has evenhappened yet.
And so if I'm going to, youknow, think about all the
negative things that happen, Ialso have to think about.
Well, what if I just go in thisround and, like you know, kill
it?
Addy Goodman (32:42):
What if it all works out?
Ella Goodman (32:43):
Yeah, I have.
We're sitting right in front ofa mirror in my room right now
and I have a sticky note onthere that says what if it all
works out?
And I like to like, if I startgetting really freaked out about
things and I just think, whatif?
About all the bad things?
I just say to myself I'm like,what if it all works out?
I think that has helped me alot, kind of on like a similar
note to that, I have thesemantras that I like to say to
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myself Sometimes I like put itas my wallpaper, but I mean, I
think mantras are different foreveryone, like, uh, you know,
just you can look them up andfind ones that work for you.
I have a few of them, but Ithink my favorite one.
I like to say my strongfeelings do not control me, and
I think that really helps me alot, because if I'm like
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