Ep 183 - A Journey of Faith, Resilience, and Leadership - One World in a New World - Apocalyptic Chats

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Namaste and in La Ketch, and welcome to this episode of One
World in a New World. I'm your host, Zen Benefiel.
And this week's guest is Doctor Joanne Vasquez de Principe.
She is a doctoral professor, a founder and CEO of her coaching
business, and a fellow of the Center of Leadership and

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Organizational Development. So we're going to have a great
conversation diving into the depths.
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Join this transformative journeyas we navigate the depth of
human. Joanne, it's so wonderful to
have you here. Thank you for coming into this

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Thoughtmosphere and being willing to share the details of
your inner and outer journey as we discover what those are.
So in this wonderful time that we have and the ability that we
have to now bring out those inner discussions without
feeling so weird or insane or being, you know, pushed aside or

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something like that because, youknow, we're brothers and sisters
from mothers and misters, right?So in that, when did you begin
to have your initial experiencesin how life gave you a certain
understanding that there's much more available to experience so.

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I don't have a date exactly but I mean I know as a child I felt.
Oh, you don't have a day, date and time?
No. Come on, I was I felt really
connected to to my face and but I asked a lot of questions and a

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child usually in my environment was not allowed to be asking a
lot of questions. So I felt silence many times,
but there were situations where like retreats and things like
that, that I was allowed to participate in where it was like

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one, one-on-one time for prayer and meditation.
And many times it would be overnight with adult
supervision. Obviously there would be my
parents might be there and and the, you know, the activities
would actually help me feel a sense of awe and wonder and and

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feeling God's presence and and that grew with every experience.
You know, it's interesting how that seems to be so consistent
when you're in that place and you're just embraced.
It's there's a sense of. Awe, it's like a comforter over
you. Yeah, yes, absolutely.

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And, and then, you know, I, I had certain experiences, near,
near death experiences that actually started opening my eyes
a little bit more to, to spiritual forces that were

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protecting me and. You say near death experience
there. There's a lot of different
stories about those kinds of things, and I think we've got
different perspectives of it. Would you mind diving a little
deeper and sharing what that waslike?

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In early elementary school year years, like I would say second
grade about I, I, there was an incident where I was being
dropped off by a family member to school and literally the car

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door just swung open. Back in the day, the rules about
the children sitting in the backdid not exist.
So I was sitting in the front and and the car was really
strange. It seems like the seat belt was
attached to the door so it's lung open and here I am because
I'm so tiny, sliding out of the car and literally just dangling

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with one hand when a family member catches me whilst one
hand on the steering wheel triesto hold me with one hand.
I know we're both losing grip but all of a sudden powerful, I
don't know what it was, slammed the door and I swung right back

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in. Like I felt like I was saved
that I couldn't see what it was,but I felt and we both stayed
speechless. Like to me, that was like a
miracle. I shouldn't have, I shouldn't
have survived that I literally my tippy toes were the only
thing in the room in the in the car still, you know, so and when

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it happened, we never spoke about it.
We never told anybody. How many very few people know
about this story? Well, I can see how your family
member wouldn't want to admit that we've lost you, right?
Exactly. And but, but because we didn't

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speak about it, we really didn'tdive into it, into what saved
me. It wasn't him, you know what I
mean? But that always stood with me.
I'm like, I, I that's a miracle to me.
That was a miracle. It sit with it sat with me as a
miracle. I suspect there's a number of
childhood experiences of others where there was an unseen force

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that seemed to step in and move them out of a way, or other
things out of the way so that harm didn't happen.
I, I strongly believe that and, and even like having or, or, or
something is occurring and you have this unbelievable strength,
I mean, to, to lift the car or do something.
I, I, I, I know family members who were able to do in

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situations like that too. So I believe that the, the this
virtual connections that that I,I feel I think it it, it was
from family also had it too. Like I it's just that it was
just spoken about it in a very subtle and different way, but

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not, not not really out loud, you know, and.
I. Couldn't speak it.
Yeah, sure. And and I totally get that.
Why do you think those kind of conversations are suppressed?
Well, adults spoke a little bit more about it in, in a spiritual

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sense and, and, and, you know, praising God for whatever
blessing or, or what happened. But as a child, an inquisitive
child at that, it was not, it was a cultural thing, you know,
the place of a child was to be quiet and just listen, you know,

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and. I and many did and.
Listen, I processed a lot. And there were rebels like us
that still ask questions becausewe couldn't.
That's why. And I do what I do today, right?
Right. Ask those difficult questions,
right? And so it's does.
That mean that little kid never grew up.
Yeah, yeah. That little kid is still in

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there, you know, It's just that there was a moment.
There wasn't a point in my life that I was trying to silence
that, you know, and it I. Think we all do because we try
to fit in where we don't belong,yet we feel like we ought to
belong and at the same time we just want to belong somewhere.

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Right. Absolutely.
So how did you find that belonging process and, and as
you grew up and, and continued on in school in your high school
years and things like that, did you notice that there was a
consistency in how you continuedat least in moments to be in
this similar place? Or did you, you mentioned you,

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you kind of lost it for a bit. I think it's teenagers.
We just explore being a teenager, right?
Yes, and as a teenager was the biggest thing that happened that
changed my entire trajectory of my life.
And that was, you know, there were family situations occurring
and I was emotionally, you know,challenged with what was going

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on and the various factors was happening that were were
potentially going to hinder my future in, in, in education, you
know, learning and, and things like that.
I always knew from a very young age, I had the calling that I
had to become a doctor. I don't know where that came

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from. I, I, I, I did not, I, I totally
forgot that until my father reminded me decades later, even
after I was married and had children and and then it was
like a, a realization. So what happened was that I

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literally was crying, praying, looking outside the window at
the, the, the trees and everything and talking to God,
praying out loud. You know, one of those prayers
of sometimes a little tinge of anger, a little tinge of, of
desperation, a little, you know,all these feelings all at once,

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but literally out loud, you know, praying and, and, and, and
I heard his voice and saying youneed to leave this environment
or you're going to die. Literally that word die.
Well, you know, I, I wasn't, I didn't get fear when I heard

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that. I felt guided.
And the word die was not a figurative, you know, physical
death. It was more of a my spirit was
going to die if I stayed in in the environment that I was in

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and then and then proceeded to as the days when I gave it, it
consoled me and and and I'm like, OK, I don't know how, but
guide me literally is what I said.
Guide me and lead me on how I'm supposed to come out of this
and, and those ideas and that those those those the the

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guidance just happened naturallyand organically.
It's like. Bread crumbs.
Yes. Right.
Absolutely. It's hard to explain.
It's hard to explain and verbalize.
Halves were open. Well, and it's very non linear
too. Yeah.
Oh, yes, absolutely. And from, from, I would like to

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save from the point that, that Iheard those words to the point
of me actually leaving that environment was, I'm going to
say less than a year, less than a year's time.
And mind you, I was a teenager. And that's when, you know, I, I,

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I left the environment. It was a loving environment.
It was just not health healthy for my spiritual growth, my
emotional growth and my my mental growth either.
You know, like all the growths that I needed to develop were
not going to be. From what I hear you saying,
there was constriction. Yes.

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And so whenever there's constriction, it's got to be
freed. I mean it, same kind of thing
happened to me as a team, also wanting to be a doctor, right?
Entered the pre Med program and after my first quarter I
realized, oh, that's not really the direction because I wanted
to be healer. I want to help people.
And I the more I went into that,it's like a energy field you

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enter, right? And you start asking all kinds
of questions. You realize that?
Oh, wait a minute, Western medicine doesn't treat causes,
it treats symptoms, and it continues them because it never
really goes inside to deal with where those problems begin,
which is internal in most cases.And it's interesting that you

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bring that up because when, whenmy father reminded me was that
when, when I would say that, that I know I'm supposed to be a
doctor, I always followed up by saying, not a medical one.
I was not meant to be a medical doctor.

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It, it, it was almost, and now Iknow what it is, you know, now
it's more of, it's a different way of healing with the way that
the, it's more the internal and the spiritual and, and, and the,
the whole person kind of thing. It it not the actual physical
piece, right? It's more the emotional, the

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spiritual, the the the mental healings, right?
What was once called philosophy.Thank.
You. Right.
Uh huh. Well, you know that got changed.
Many times, right? Well, and, and you know, I think
we're both very similar in that way.
I mean, you had the if you don'tleave, you're going to die.

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And the question I was asked is,are you willing to die for what
you believed in? Well, you see, the word die
isn't there, You see? Right.
So in both of those ants, both of the answers from us
personally was a letting go and seeking those bread crumbs.
Yes. And then paying attention.

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There was a certain sense and and did you feel that when when
these bread crumbs showed up, how did you know it?
It was almost like an intuition,like a knowing.
Like a gut feeling. Automatic.
Well, as as I got older, I I started real.

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I started realizing that it was the Holy Spirit that was guiding
me, right? I didn't have a name for it when
I was younger, but some some moments are stronger than other
moments. And remember when I was saying
that I was trying to silence it sometimes.
But what would happen is that ifI was trying to silence it and a

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message had to get through, others were sent to me that were
strangers that would speak to methrough the spirit too.
And and I would follow that guidance it everything would
come true also. So it it it's almost like it was
almost like a slap in the head. Hey, I'm still here.

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Listen to me. And if you don't want to listen
to me this way, I'm going to I'mgoing to talk to you that way,
right? You know.
You know what I find, and, and maybe this is a a or you find
this too, is that often times you know these because we've had
others who've had experiences and sought to share them and

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they end up in texts and scriptures and things like that.
And yet we still don't realize that these kinds of experiences
are ubiquitous. It doesn't matter what religion
or what faith you have with the label.

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It is the fact that it is universal.
This happens to all of us. If we're, if we, if our hearts
are open to receive it right. Absolutely.
There are certain requirements that you know, the process is
the same for everyone. You have to submit yourself.
You have to acquiesce. You know submission is not a

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good word for many people, right?
But that's essentially it's whatI say let, let letting go of
your ego and mine, right in a sense.
And there's no ego without we go, right?
Yes. Yes, exactly so and and and
understanding we're not all knowing we could go to school

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every day of our lives. We get a million degrees, but it
doesn't matter, right? We have I.
Ask you a question though, and we're you know, we talked about
the Vedas and and their basic explanation that we're all
divine threads connected to source capable of God
consciousness. And in that framework, the

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infinite intelligence is available for our specific
needs. So in that case, we do know
everything. We just don't want to admit that
we do as as you. Let me ask this when you ask and
that answer comes, there's no doubt whatsoever and it resounds

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in your body completely that resonance, that intuition that
you know, it's like the three brain system that got hard in
the head. All three are in a line.
This is thing, right? It's true and, and, but you have
to have your eyes and ears open for that to come through.

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And sometimes when you ask, it might not come immediately, it
might take years. But there's a lesson in that as
well. Because absolutely the patience
and the trusting and the faith that has to come into play in
order. It's not in our time, it's not
in our time, it's not our timing.

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It's there's if, especially if you're living out of a calling,
right? A greater, higher purpose.
Yep. It's not us, it's not our our
will, it's, it's God's will, youknow, and, and, and.
We call it that and yet. You know, that's how I I, I, I.
Well, 'cause we haven't had the science to back it up yet, in my

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opinion. And so that, and that's the
whole entire thing. You know, I, I did my research
and actually, you know, in my research, surprisingly, I did
find in my research that there is a part of our brain that's
called the God spot. Did you know that there's a part
of our brain that's called the God spot?
And I don't speak to about it that much, but we are divinely

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created to. Design the.
Connection in this in this spiritual relationship.
And it goes much more beyond that in my opinion, and maybe
you'll agree with this, it is sodefined and designed within us

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from both a genetic perspective,skill set development and a soul
frequency. So we're set up if you know our
natural proclivities, if we followed them and.
We develop a system that supports that, which is what
we're in process of. Then that unfoldment can take

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place naturally, without restriction, because that's
truly, in my opinion, what loving and being loved is all
about. And literally, it's funny that
you bring that up because that that is part of what I believe
my calling is to spread love. There's different ways of
spreading love, right? And I think that is part of what

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I am called to do is, is to showGod's love in everything that I
do. I do it not for me.
I I do it to help others, obviously, but in more ways than
they think that I'm trying to help themselves.
Is it God? 'S love, Or is it really your

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love that you've finally found away to let go of restriction of?
That is involved too, because you have to let you, you, you
have to be free. You have to feel the sense of
freedom in order to be able to share it, right?

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Sure. And it took me a while to get
there, right? Which I mean is the consistent,
I would say. And actually, and and that's, I
did want to add that. What's that?
My research and, and, and my work has been a transformational
journey for me because I startedout just, I wanted to learn and
understand a little bit about leadership at a deeper level and

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then then. That'll take you to another
world. It's.
Teaching me that world just was opening and actually the
research was guiding me to explore other things at a more
deeper level that I wasn't anticipating.
And it I evolved with the work itself.

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So I felt like by the time I ended, it transformed me fully
because there were certain fearsin me and, and I don't know if
it's from the upbringing and, and feeling, you know, my voice
was quiet was the fear of failure, right?

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Then it got to the point of, OK,let me get, can I get started?
Right. And I, and I would get started,
but then I would get stuck because I felt like I was like
almost intimidated by the word, like I'm really supposed to go
down this path, right? Like, you know, and so, but I,
I, it took me a while and a lot of processing the, the pandemic

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actually helped because I was able to silence and, and, and
all the clutter and all the chaos and all the meaningless
things in the world, shut it outcompletely so that I could truly
hear with my everything, my whole being.

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And that's how everything evolved and and things that I
thought were going to take me years to do, I did it in months
and weeks. I mean, it was just like like a
flow. The level of flow and connection
was at all four point points because late later down, I
didn't know what flow was duringthat time.
Now I know what flow is, right? And it's.

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The this great book by Mihaly Pixip Mihaly.
Yeah, yeah, and it and it. But it does take healing, Yes,
exactly. If if you're not healed, you,
you cannot fully be engrossed inyour full because it it, it is
mental, it is physical, it is emotional, it is spiritual.
Or when if all of those are not aligned, you can't fully find

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your flow. And do you find that when you're
in? I totally agree.
I I believe I understand what you're saying because it it
reflects this sense of being in the present, unattached.
Yes. Right with the intention of

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serving your highest good. Exactly, exactly.
That purpose is key, because hadthat purpose not been there,
then the ego would have been there.
Oh, I'm trying to do this for me.
I'm trying to get my name out there.
I'm trying to make a name for myself.

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Whatever. It's the old form of leadership,
right? Yeah.
Now there's another word in front of leadership that's
taking over, and that's servant leadership.
It has nothing where I. Ended up where, where when
everything's synergized and all the leadership pieces paint
together and I synergized and build the model that I built.

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It did land on servant leadership, but it did connect
the mind, body and spirit and, and soul in there and it and it,
you know, it valid though. It's really interesting because
the way it came out organically was a confirmation that I was

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being spiritually guided to do this.
The way it all the way, the way it all, you know, came together.
And still with the work that I'mstill doing and, and publishing,
I just really act literally likethis week I had another chapter
come in, come out, that public publication was released, a
collaboration with someone from university in Australia.

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And it's about isolation, right?So there's a gift in isolation.
This is where you were talking about the what COVID was able to
do, right? Do you find that there were many
others that also felt like, OK, this is a signal for self
examination and time given to doso because you couldn't do

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anything else. You were sitting at home, you
know, were obsessed on self hygiene.
Well for some that obsession on self hygiene as a behavior mod
program right? Turns inward.
They all do it, just varying degrees as far as far as how far
you will let it go. Exactly.
And I and I, and, and some so. I've heard so many stories, so

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many stories about which I couldeven call them testimonies of
people who had talents as a child, singing, writing, playing
music, that it went dormant but then came back alive in them.
And and the great works that came out from it during that

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that time, you know, and we're still seeing outputs that and
and that is being produced. That is a result this.
Podcast is part of that. You know, my wife Luba came to
me in April of 21 and she says, you know, and I'd done a show
back in the early 90s, similar theme, just not wise enough to
ask better questions yet, right?Maybe some of the questions I

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asked were good. But she said to me, you know,
you really need to start talkingto people again.
You got stuff to say, people love you, you're brilliant.
I have that brilliance that often times is seems a bit
insane, I'm sure because of the questions I have from the direct
experience that I've had, which often is, how can I put it?

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It's unknown to others. I'll just put it that way
because you can't really relate to some things that we say.
And you can tell by the languagepeople use, right?
And the words that they speak, how they speak them, is to the
level of direct experience that they've had in order to
incorporate that and embody thatlanguage.

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There are people. Yeah, there are.
Excuse me if there there are people who those?
No excuse necessary, thank. You there are those who have had
spiritual encounters so they could relate, right but I feel
the other output that came out of the pandemic was that the

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greater openness to speak about spiritual and you know
relationships and encounters andthings like that because.
It's like the listening shifted.Yes, because the listening
shifted, but the openness and the hunger to learn more about
something did happen right here that we don't know, right?
It was like an awakening that occurred and now we are seeing

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the fruit of what happened, whatwhat occurred there.
So let's talk about this fruit. So we've already had, you know,
a brief discussion about the timeline, right?
And how the epochs are changing and we're just closing a 52,000
year cycle according to the Mayan calendar.

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And that we're moving into an age of enlightenment, let's say,
or a new time is how the calendar puts it, of greater
consciousness of connectivity, of understanding unity and
oneness, and how that plays out through us.

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Because we're all part of the same thing, right?
We don't live on a separate planet.
We don't live in other worlds. We're all right here, right now.
And how we behave and interact with each other are the factors
that are changing it seems. I did a presentation, I think I

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did call it the Super conscious leadership and the way I aligned
my work to it was that leaders need to tap into, you know, the
North Star, their N personal North star.
What is what is their purpose? What is their passion?

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What is what are they? What is guiding them once
they're able to do that is is when true real authenticity can
come out and they can have the impact that they want in
whatever environment, whether it's in their community, whether
it's in the church, whether, whether it's in America,
nonprofit entrepreneurship, it doesn't matter what.

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All of those which are important.
They are absolutely important, but you can, there's an
integrative, a mindset that has to occur in order for it to, to,
to really work for them. And I mean, I, I personally
lived it right. And that's why I encourage it

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and others to explore it at a deeper level because what you do
with your passion and your purpose is your calling and.
That and that direct experience.You know there's different terms
for it, but it is your calling. Once you find your calling and
you can find your calling in whatever role you you have.

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You just the alignments have to occur in order for that to to
really resonate for everyone that.
Again, is this possibly by design?
You know, there's an organic up wising, if you will, and it's
not uprising up wising because there's new knowledge.

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There's truly an apocalyptic time where we're uncovering the
knowledge that connects us all and gives us the ability to
function as 1 and the systems. Our physical world, it seems,
isn't really going to change allthat much.
It might because of the tilting of the Earth and you know, earth

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changes and things like that. Unfortunately, that it for some
who were in the wrong place at the right time.
However, there's this consistentmove towards a greater
understanding of how our uniqueness fits together.
Those threads become a tapestry that is absolutely gorgeous and

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strikes all in the hearts of everyone.
I don't want to say strikes because that's not necessarily a
thing it invites. Yeah, it.
Does It's like striking a happy medium.
You don't want to do that because they're not going to be
happy unless you're a glutton for punishment.

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And I think that's do you find that we as a human race in our
society have been programmed or invited to be so self
deprecating that we are unable to step into that uniqueness and
feel comfortable in it without dragging all the baggage from

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our past along with us? I think that a lot has been
changing over the last like let's say 5 or 6 years.
I've seen language like the, the, the conversation is
shifting. There's a level of acceptance
that's occurring and willingnessto listen and with, with

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intellectual humility. You know, that to me is really
important because there are manyperspectives of the same, let's
say a topic for example. But having intellectual
humility, that's where respect comes in.

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And psychological safety. Yes, and the psychological
safety and understanding, you don't need to agree 100% with
the other person, but just respecting and listening to the
perspectives. And then that's where the
collaborations can occur. That's where the real deep

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conversations can occur and can make a difference and have an
impact on humanity for the greater good, for the greater
good, right? That that is, that is the, that
should be the goal of whatever we're doing in our lives to, to,
to be able to, it's not about us.

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It's about helping make positivechange out there, you know, and,
and building awareness. And I think that we're getting
there more, more platforms like this one.
This is like one of the first platforms that is open to

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listening to so many different perspectives.
And I really do appreciate that because it's either, usually
it's either or it's One Direction or the other
direction. We don't want to hear you.
You go this way too much and we don't want you to go that way
too much, right? It's, it's all part of the one,

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right? So you've got to be willing to
look at all the aspects of it, embrace it.
That doesn't mean you have to beattached to it.
That just means that there's a willingness to talk about it, to
have a conversation and. Inside of the box, right?
Right outside of that box. It's OK to do that.
Well, and it also gives you the ability to read the labels on

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the box. Thank you.
Yes. Absolutely.
You know what's? In it, the biases come in from
those labels. That's where, you know,
unconscious bias comes in and and that's where people don't
feel like they belong. That's, that's where culture,
there's a culture impact, right?Because of that, you know, we,

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we didn't, we're not I, I don't know why I was built this way,
but I never lived inside that box.
I never have been either, you know.
And it's so funny because, you know, I've, I've never shared my
spiritual experiences like this,especially not in the open and.

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I'm glad I was able to provide the psychologically safe
environment for you to. Do so, but I think I was being
prepared since last year for this because I I had like an an
experience in in a group AAA woman's group.
And the first question took me back because I've never heard of

(37:32):
this question coming out. It, it, it and it was in a
church, right? And it was when was your, your
first encounter with the Lord, right?
And I, I was not prepared for that.

(37:53):
I had never shared that, you know, and I just shared a little
glimpse of it, a little bit of what I shared here today.
And afterwards, the woman that was sitting next to me actually
stopped the entire group sessionthat we were in.
I said, I need to lay hands on you and pray for you because you

(38:17):
need to. God wants you to build your
courage so that you can share these stories, right?
And courage is fear. That said, its prayers right.
Yes, and and it, and so and so I, I truly believe that courage

(38:39):
and fear are hand in hand. And so courage is always there,
right But you're walking throughthe fear, right.
It took me a while to accept that fact because I thought I
had to erase the fact the the the fear completely.
Well, the sense, right? The fear causes a sense of

(38:59):
anxiety, right? It's that anxiety, the fear.
Of judgments, a fear of judgments, a fear of criticism
and then a fear of failure that hey, you know, I've built this
and, and it's going to not be received well.
But not until all those things were processed and I let it go

(39:21):
like we were talking before has,has have I felt empowered, like
a sense of empowerment into me. That at that is also guiding me
to be able to share to whoever wants to listen.

(39:43):
It doesn't have to be the eitheror anymore.
It's whoever wants to listen andthey want, if they can be
blessed wherever it is that I'm sharing.
And so, and that's where, where I'm at right now.
And and you know, I, I will continue to, to, to do that

(40:03):
share wherever there's an opportunity.
Can I share something with you? It reminds me of one of my early
shows. I interviewed a mixed blood
Cherokee storyteller and he shared.
I've known him for a while. I met him out in the East Valley
here in in Phoenix. He was living in a teepee
actually in the desert and and had a rattlesnake that would

(40:27):
come in and sleep in his tent atnight.
I mean, just a really interesting nature bound wrote a
children's book on desert survival as well.
His name was Willie White Feather, and he says to me, you
know, fear is just false evidence appearing real.
What we seek to do is free everyanxious reaction.

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And that is such a wonderful wayto flip the fear and recognize
it, right? It's these metal triggers that
we have that get us beyond theseconstraints.
And you know, you mentioned it in your and I want to get more
into your doctoral studies in inthat area here in just a minute.
In the 90s, Senge, Peter Senge introduced the 5th discipline in

(41:15):
organizational learning, right? This is the most important, but
you had to have self mastery first in order to benefit the
organizational. Then he coupled with Adu Sharmer
at MIT and came up with and Ottocame up with theory U, which is
describing this practice of centering, letting go, having

(41:39):
the question present and allowing the, he calls it
prototype to emerge from there, which is a phenomenal process.
I'm. Thinking yes.
And so I teach these these models for my students, my
doctoral students. That's where innovation, true

(42:01):
innovation can come out when you're able to tap into that.
Yes, absolutely. Because you've already, you
know, in this place, there's no constriction.
There can be, right? Because there's still that level
of trust. Yes, absolutely.
It has to. Be there's another component to

(42:22):
it that especially academics andresearchers and, and, and high
level thinkers, high achievers, whatever you want to call them,
I don't like 3 labels, but you know what I'm talking about.
And, and that is the perfectionism mindset.

(42:44):
That, that is the hurdle. Once you overcome the
perfectionism mindset is when that's true freedom occurs,
right? Because that's when the fear is
released. Your new.
Skeptic moves into the trust. Yeah, because yes, absolutely
you trust in yourself that, that, that you know what you're,

(43:08):
you're talking about or what you're doing, right.
And it doesn't mean the skeptic disappears because we still
question, have I got this right?It's.
It's and that's healthy. That is healthy because
absolutely we should always workon developing ourselves, growing
ourselves. That's where the growth mindset

(43:29):
comes in. And it's it's not because we're
unfinished. It's not that.
It is because we can become better humans by learning more
continuously and having that curiosity in US and and trying
to grow ourselves. Once we stop learning, our brain

(43:52):
starts losing those brain cells.People don't want to acknowledge
it, but that is if you don't useit, you will lose it.
Skinny muscle, Yeah, it's kind of a muscle.
Yeah, absolutely. And do you find that the growth?
Yes, a lot of folks will say, you know, growth is painful.
Yes. Is it really painful or is it

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the resistance that we have to it?
That's painful because growth, it's freeing to me, but it's
when you, you know, it's like this flower blossoming in a new
way or a new world, depending onhow your thinking has shifted.
But growth, if it's not aligned,that's when it's painful growth

(44:39):
that is aligned. Well, even Buddha said suffering
adopted, you know, right? That's where you enter the flow
and it becomes natural, right? It's not painful.
It becomes easy. That doesn't mean it's not hard
work. So hard you can't subtract the
hard work. You still have to go through the

(44:59):
process. Right, absolutely.
However now did you find that when your mind has shifted to
recognizing the bread crumbs andthe following the path and the
things and and doing the work that was necessary, that all of
that disappeared, right. The pain, the suffering, it was
gone. It was now fun.
Thank you. Yes.

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And and that's a personal model of mine.
If it's not fun, I constantly check myself.
If I have spent five hours on a project, I do, like you said, an
examination, personal examination, like a reflection,
mindfulness point where I check in with myself for my whole

(45:44):
being and, and I'm like, how's my energy level?
Do I feel it at a high level? Excitement and joy and like,
yes, I did that. Or do I feel drained?
Do I feel like the life was sucked out of me that I have to

(46:04):
go to sleep now when that happens, then I have to really
start reflecting. How did I get to that point that
I let myself get involved in something that was not life
giving? And many times I have to stop
doing that and I'll just, you know, either reshift or

(46:27):
repurpose some, some other way or completely say no, you know,
and that was a challenge for me because I, I did live many years
as that, as a yes person people pleaser.
Sure. Which was all.

(46:49):
That's how we try to fit in. Yeah, because because I, I, I
wanted people to like me and I care too much about what people
care. They know thought about me, you
know? And you were observant and do
you, do you find that in that place you're looking for things
that you can help with regardless of what you're being

(47:11):
asked to do? Yes, yes, but usually but what
would end up happening? And you know, I see I I am a
problem solver that's why like change.
You're probably, what, A51 in human design.
Yeah, that's why why why change management is like really

(47:32):
aligned with me, but at the sametime as as as a problem solver,
I have to be in the right environment.
So now you say human design. I did the the tool that you
shared and it was I laughed whenI saw the results so over.

(47:55):
Isn't it amazing how accurate itis?
So it but you know what it did? It confirmed that the path that
I have been on is the right pathand I the one that I'm going
into is the right one. It was just a confirmation tool
and. All of them are or ought to be.

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Yes. Right when you have placed
because a lot of people will search into these things first,
yes, trying to find answers, yes, no, and that works to some
degrees, but it's not as beneficial as the stepping up is
like OK, now I'm I'm going to just move forward in the best

(48:37):
way that I think I can and then do a self check.
Whereas I kind of wonder holistically, educationally, you
know, we have the body, mind, spirit, planet, cosmos, five
different areas that we have relationships in that most of us
don't become aware of till we'relater in life, right.

(49:00):
And understanding that it kind of seems bereft of good sense
that we don't bring that into the school systems at an early
age. Yeah, it's sad.
Teach those things. You know, I recently went to

(49:22):
India and I got tearful when I went to elementary school and I
saw that the students praying and doing their, their, their
worship early in the morning andtheir assemblies.
And I'm like, wow, if we could only have something like this,

(49:44):
you know? Their prayer in schools used to
be allowed. Yes, exactly.
And, and I, and, and then what'sreally interesting is when I
came back from India, I heard a story that some legislation
legislature was being passed in Texas related to bringing the
Bible as a text in, in the schools.

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And I believe it's either passedor very close to passing.
And I'm like, maybe this is the beginning.
I can see that as some benefit personally.
There are some elements in there.
And you know, but if we're goingto include the Bible, that's not
the only one, right? Talking about the Vedas earlier,
Bhagavad Gita, Egyptian Book of the Dead, you know, these

(50:29):
ancient texts that you know, andeven like we never had Sanskrit
in schools. Latin was there for a while.
Most of the time it's not available anymore.
Well, in India they so the teachers, there are some
teachers who are, they have doctorates in Sanskrit and they
do share that knowledge with students too.

(50:52):
So it's about. That's a really small
percentage, right? It's another level of wisdom,
right? It's not all it's it's because
once they connect spiritually to, you know, the word right,
they're able to, it resonates ata different level, sure.

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And the wisdom grows and the knowledge grows.
It leaps and bounds and the connections start happening.
As long as you don't get stuck in the book.
Right. Yes.
Even Jesus said the word is in your heart.
It's not. The book right the.
Living Word is within you, the books are just there to edify

(51:32):
it. Absolutely.
Bring it in and accept it and let it percolate, right?
Yeah. But if it's not, if it's not
shared or talked about right then how is that opportunity
going to happen? Sure.
Sure, that's one. Of the all the filtration for
our children is all coming from social media, right?

(51:55):
And This is why we're having in society so many issues that
we're having and mental health issues and burnout issues and
all of these things because thatis the world only that they're
they're, they're being fed. And they get stuck.
In it, they feel what goes in comes out right.
Right. And how often do we encounter

(52:16):
those who are born again? Excuse me?
Who? Who are born again?
OK. Yes, I've heard that.
Who constantly refer to the Bible in refuting possibilities
rather than embracing them you know there there's this anything

(52:39):
is possible to those who believeOK let's stop there anything is
possible to those who believe believe in.
For me. Believe in possibility, right?
Faith has to be part of it, of that conversation.
Many miracles occurred in the Bible.
Miracles are still happening allaround us.

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Sure, and but here's the thing that and I'm I'm not being yes,
I am. I'm being a little controversial
here because when that was put together, women were subjugated
from the beginning through the patriarchy in how they were
supposedly coming from Adam's rib, right?

(53:23):
There's no mention of Lilith, who was pre Eve according to
other ancient documents. And yet throughout history now
and even today, women are still not seen as equals in balancing
relationships, organizations, families, business, you know,

(53:48):
and this has been part of the push with the corporate world in
in reinstating or not reinstating, in bringing women
into more equal positions. Still not treated the same.
Right now, physically, we're different, right?

(54:08):
We could leadership, it's brain,right?
We got brains and the lot, the, the skills, the talent, the
words, the abilities, those are in both genders.
And the patriarchy has not been respectful of the matriarchy,
and yet all the indigenous cultures are built that way in

(54:32):
matriarchies. Cultural, yes, it is cultural.
And and you know, during my timein India, I, I really did
encounter because I was submerged.
It was like a submersive immersive experience.
I actually met women entrepreneurs.

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And there's a ton of them. Beautiful work that they are
doing and not only are they running one business that some
of them are running 345 businesses.
I was so impressed. I was so excited, you know, and
I'm actually working on a project that's a global project
study that has to do with women social entrepreneurs because I

(55:16):
was so impacted by that experience and encountering them
and empower and that empowerment, you know, and they
share it with other women, whichis even better because it's,
it's growing. Every woman touches every
community, right? It's and the feminine energy,
right? The empathy, the care, the

(55:37):
compassion, the kindness. Yes.
Men are ruthless. No one thing can be too, but men
seem to you know, the the stalwart, you know, don't show
your emotions, don't ever cry right, All that the how we've
been taught right and. That is.

(55:59):
So inconsistent with the nature of our being.
And they're showing and they're demonstrating, and they're
leading by example for the younger generations.
Now back to the Mayan calendar. Let's let's go back there for a
SEC. As we are increasing or even

(56:21):
forget the Mayan calendar, just looking at the progression of
our civilization and the recognition that the patriarchy
has been in charge, not judgement, just looking at it as
a matter of fact, right? Progression of a society.
The guys are going to take over first because they're the ones
that want to. Then after a while they

(56:43):
realized, OK, wait a minute, we're not doing the best job we
could be because we're missing something, but we don't really
know what it is right now. There's this OK, we recognize
we're missing the empathy. We're missing that feminine
energy that's present, that brings that connective tissue

(57:08):
into reality, it seems, Yes. No, I do agree.
How does your work demonstrate this being true and where are
you going with it to bring it into more relevance and and

(57:29):
popularity? Not that it's not popular
because it it seems like the thing to do, right?
Well, I'm not, I'm not personally.
That's not a goal to for it to be popular.
Well, no, no, I, I. I'm not seeing you popular at
all, but at full transparency, Iam an empath so and I I didn't

(57:54):
I, I didn't understand what thatterm was for a very long time.
I was gifted around 20, I want to say 20/17/2018.
I was gifted the the privilege of having a a Christian coach.

(58:14):
I was participating in leadership advanced leadership
intensive program and which was also gifted to me.
See, this is how God guides us, right?
And this opportunity came up to to for one of the people in the
whole program to get selected tohave this one-on-one experience

(58:36):
coaching thing with this leader that that does leadership
coaching and, and he used a toolthat I had never taken.
I love assessments, by the way. I, I, I love to create.
I'm. Obsessive with assessments.
I have been my entire life. It's like I want to know me.

(58:58):
Many and that's how my development journey started, by
taking assessments. Then I became certified in many
psychometric assessments and I have used that with, you know,
in my work. And Briggs disc cold, Yeah.
No dolls Finder, all of those, right?
Yeah. Springs Finder.
Exactly. Yeah.

(59:20):
And, and I feel like there's there's, there's a gift in each
and every one of those. Absolutely.
Or colors is another one. And So what ended up happening
was that I lost my track of thought right there for a
second. Sorry, it was a colorful remark.

(59:41):
I interrupted you. Yeah, I was talking about the.
Assessments and how they. Oh yeah.
Of the assessments. But before that I was talking
about something else. I'm sorry, I'm sorry I I lost
it. Don't be.
It'll come back. You know, it was one of those

(01:00:03):
things where maybe it wasn't quite ready yet and then or I
just interrupted you and I sometimes do that.
It's. OK.
So you were talking about the assessments and and getting into
those and how you found they began to affirm your path and

(01:00:26):
and where it was going early on.Yes, I became certified in
several of them. And oh, now I remember a super
story about that gift that I received to work with this
particular coach. He used an assessment that had
to do with emotional intelligence, social emotional

(01:00:48):
intelligence. There's many of them out there
right now. I, I was going into it, I was, I
was thinking, you know what, I bet you I'm going to, I'm going
to have a high score in this because just because of I, I,
things I've experienced in my life and my, my spiritual

(01:01:10):
encounters and, and things like that.
But I never thought I was going to get the reaction that I did
with this particular coach because he shares with me, he's
like, I've been doing this for 30 years, he said.
And I have never seen anyone be off the charts.

(01:01:33):
And I didn't understand what that meant.
So there's a range, I think a scale or something that they
use. And it's there's graphics,
there's graphics. So when the results came out and
he's like interpreting them, he's like, I really don't know
how. What?
Like it was like you're literally not anywhere in the

(01:01:55):
range that we could even like talk about for like coaching
purposes, right? Like there's like if you're low
on something then. Yeah, you kind of got the point
that he couldn't really tell youa whole lot.
He could probably learn something from you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. But it was still a blessing.

(01:02:15):
Sure, he gave you the confirmation.
He, he did give me the confirmation, but not only that,
I mean God spoke to him to give me a message and and told me
that I was not working in the right place.
I was no longer I no longer needed to be where I was at.

(01:02:39):
However, now the answer that is don't be right in a rush to make
the change. It's in my time, not yours
literally. So that was like an aha moment
and, and almost like, OK, now things have to be a little

(01:03:00):
different on how I maneuver myself here.
And ultimately it took let's say2 years from the time of of a
year and a half to two years from the point that I had this
coaching experience to, to actually, you know, have that

(01:03:23):
that change happen in my. It's the universal alignment,
right? There's still the details, and
when you make a choice to followit, the universe still has to
arrange things in order to placethe bread crumbs in front of
you. Yes, right.
This is that infinite intelligence that we call God
that is directly related to the choices and the thoughts and

(01:03:44):
feelings that we have about themand.
It confirms like it, it really did confirm I did what I was
supposed to be doing at the place that I was at, but it was,
it was done. It is finished, you know, and it
was just a manner of, you know, putting goals and tie and tie

(01:04:08):
things together and wrapping things up in a nice neat package
before. Like with that, it's usually
pretty messy. Yeah, it usually is, but that's
why it wasn't intended to be. Sure.
Well, the messiness doesn't meanthat we have to get caught up
into it. It just means that we wade
through it with effortlessness in some in most cases, you know,

(01:04:33):
even if you know, as you had as a teen, I my, the message I got
was that you know, you're here to do this.
It's going to happen in your lifetime.
Know your life's going to be full of trials and tribulations.
Have faith and trust that everything you need will be
there at its appointed time. Absolutely.

(01:04:57):
And that and that's how I lived.I have lived, you know, and
there were and there happened and there still are challenges,
right? Sure, always will be.
Hopefully. Path it is not an easy path to
to live in in this way of of complete and other utter trust
that you're in in God's hands. That's the.

(01:05:18):
Good. Yeah, I I would.
And you're leading me. Are you sure it's not easy?
I think that's a belief. Nothing easy about it.
What if it was? What would happen if you shifted
your awareness to the total trust and it was fun and easy.

(01:05:40):
You can accept it too. Something's there might be
moments of that slow that. Sure.
I mean, we're human beings. We had sense we're life presents
us interesting situations where we have to be still for a moment
and figure out what to do. Yes, that was a pandemic for me,

(01:06:01):
my movement of stillness, but I've learned to practice
stillness. You know, there in, in, in, I
was introduced to this frameworkcalled emotionally healthy
spirituality. I was, I was it it while it was
being under development, I was part of the community that was

(01:06:23):
putting it all together. And that was my first
introduction to the whole personapproach to living it fully,
right, fully engaged and lettingletting go of the past, living

(01:06:45):
in the moment and and and and bein a state of expectation of
expecting. You know that good is coming to
you. Is it more not necessarily
letting go to the past because it's there, but you're not going
to change it? Yeah, it's part of you.
You're is it more, but it's not living it every single day.

(01:07:09):
Well, would that not lead to, I like to call it harvesting,
right? Because the, the, our past is
like a plate of food, right? We can pick and choose what we
eat from it. So how do we harvest our past to
then nurture our future? So that allows us to be in the

(01:07:34):
present observant as opposed to constricted because of our
feelings about the past. But there's no carry ONS on this
flight and then be able to look into the future and allow it to
appear as it wants to be, not how we think it should be.

(01:07:59):
Yeah. And, and it takes a lot of
discernment to be able to, to, to do that sometimes, right?
Oh yeah, yeah, it's a. We could we It's a.
Challenge to be present enough to allow that to happen.
Yeah, because that's all about flow.
Yeah. And and, and, and also
awareness, awareness because youknow, we may, we may have a

(01:08:25):
perception of ourselves, while the perception of others how
they're receiving us can be different, skewed a little bit,
right. And they may be receiving things
that you're not trying to project.
However, because you're confident or you're you're over

(01:08:47):
excited about something, you maysuggest something else to others
that is not really what was intended.
So in those situations, you know, having that awareness is
really important, you know, and understanding who you're
speaking to, the audience that you're with in order to adapt

(01:09:08):
exactly. Not not changing yourself, but
adapting the conversation, the approach of how you interact
with others in order for you to be able to.
Sure. I, I heard an HR guy earlier
today, he mentioned something about the pathology of the
people that he was speaking with, right.
And I like, oh, pathology, that's a study of disease,

(01:09:30):
right? Well, they are dishes.
As well. Right.
So those kinds of things then when you're empathic, wanting to
serve, you are aware that you need to be observant and look at

(01:09:52):
the responses that look since right, the responses that you're
getting from your audience, you'll feel it, you'll know
whether your your words are landing correctly or not and
adjust accordingly so that you can be more inclusive in the
message delivery. Absolutely.

(01:10:12):
And and you know, shifting to remote environment right had a
little bit of challenge. However, there's a different of
like something else came out of it, like the the interactions
that I I it took a little time, but I can get to the level level

(01:10:36):
of depth in in relationships in this environment that.
Look at the conversation we can.Get that exactly.
We've been on the that's what we're now to have.
So but it did like I said it, itwasn't easy.
It took time, practice some hiccups along the way where you

(01:10:58):
know, I felt like I my head hit the ground.
You know, I just didn't hit a wall.
You gas. Didn't bloody it too much I.
Learned from the failures, right?
I learned from each failure. The lesson?
Let's back up just a little bit from that word.
I did test the word failure. The hiccups.

(01:11:19):
OK, well the hiccups occurred. I learned from a single one I.
Heard a good word kerfuffle. Kerfuffle.
That's so cute. I have to give credit to Dennis
Pitaco for that one. The Yeah, and I think it's a
perfect word. You know, it kind of it.

(01:11:39):
It has that sort of broken feel kerfuffle, but there's a nice
puffle in there, right? So there's this opportunity for
learning and not the self criticalness, the the self
deprecation that we normally entertain and.
And that's, that's like the perfectionism mindset.

(01:12:01):
Whenever those those things start kicking in, that's when.
It ceases to be. Fun definitely positive thoughts
have to come in like meditation,affirmations, things to come in
so to counteract those those so.How do you discipline your mind?
Do that an intentional practice,and it's an intentional practice

(01:12:24):
so that it doesn't overcome you,so it doesn't paralyze you.
And with practice, that's where I've seen people do this and
I've done it myself. The rebounding effect from those
kerfuffles, right, have been shorter and shorter.
So the rebound. So back in the day, it would

(01:12:47):
take maybe six months for me to from a kerfuffle to recover,
right. Sure.
And maybe sometimes I would haveto go into the therapy.
Well, sometimes it can take years, you know, like a practice
marriage, right? Got divorced and I thought, Oh
yeah, I'm going to come overcomethis in a couple of years.
Yeah, yeah. And sometimes even going to

(01:13:07):
therapy to get help, extra help from outside to to to help me
navigate right. Even with the therapy, it still
takes that inner adjustments to really get clear and not want to
find fault in yourself for something that was simply
designed not to work. Thank you.

(01:13:28):
Yes, yes. And I, it took me a while to
learn that, that it wasn't always my fault, that it was
environments or situations that were out of my control.
And the perfectionism mindset, you want to be control of
everything, right? You want to be predictive and
and be able to, you know, see all the scenarios, try to solve

(01:13:51):
all the potential risks and everything, which is good.
You could do that. You should do that, but not live
it all the time. You know, there are such
situations where you just need them to happen naturally to see
what the great things that are going to flourish and and come
out of it, you know? Now, did you learn in this

(01:14:12):
process? You know, we talked about
energy, right? Because it's all energy.
We're all vibration. We can't think our way through a
system built on vibration. We've got to sensor our way
through. This is the empathy.
Do you find that in that processthat you are able to recognize

(01:14:32):
when you push and pull energy? Oh my goodness, yes.
And I didn't know what that was.What it was happening was
almost, there was a point there.There was a particular
relationship, a work work dynamic that I was involved in
that literally was that push andpull.

(01:14:52):
And I kept saying it to the person, what is this push and
pull dynamic that we are in right now?
Because it's thought of becomingoverwhelming and, and it, and at
that point, I did not know that I was an empath.
So after I learned that I was anempath and and I realized what

(01:15:15):
was going on there, I realized that the that was not healthy
for me. Oh, it's competing once.
Yeah, it's a whole level of competition that was
destructive. It's psychic competition.
Competition as much as anything,because it's never spoken about.

(01:15:39):
Yes, yes, but it. These hidden agendas that want
to take place, right? Yeah, there's healthy that.
There's parts of it that's healthy, but when it gets to
that push and pull, that is thattoxicity that kicks in.
It becomes poison and starts killing our spirit and and and

(01:16:00):
silencing the goodness that's trying to guide us.
You know, not until. The corporate world, we call
those organizational destroyers.Yes, they're I.
You know what I call them? Energy vampires.
That too. Energy vampires.
They they can. They know when they have met

(01:16:22):
someone who has certain gifts that can ignite motivation, that
can ignite inspiration in in environments just by walking in
them and then they that's. Scary to some of those.
They attach themselves to that individual to suck that energy

(01:16:48):
because they don't have it organically.
And then when that occurs, it's diminishing the strength of the
other person until that tie is. Broken.
Well, they either try to suck itor shut it down.
Well, that's ultimately what ends up happening because in my
scenario, this is what happened.It went from, OK, now I know

(01:17:11):
there's something off. I don't know exactly what it is,
but it has to end. Cut ties, right?
But then sabotaging came afterwards.
Oh, you're not helping me. You're not helping nobody,
right? Kind of situation kicked in, you
know, but but I learned so much and God does bring people into

(01:17:32):
our lives of certain seasons to teach us certain lessons.
It may not be all so beautiful all the time.
Oh no, it was my first my first corporate job working for an
aerospace company. I was in charge of $7,000,000 a
month in shipments, 800 part numbers and 35 person
department. I sailed to the top of the

(01:17:55):
production charts because of howI dealt with people.
I, I lived the golden rule, right?
And even went beyond that to askpeople how I could help them do
their job while they were doing things for me.
And eventually I was asked, Hey,what are you doing?
And I presented that it's interpersonal skills right

(01:18:17):
before they were called emotional intelligence.
This was in the 80s, right? Aerospace, military, Iran
command and control, I was the outlier big time.
And so I eventually just like, OK, I'm going to move this up by
asking questions and, and just suggesting that, you know, in

(01:18:41):
one of the departmental meetings, 35 people.
And, and I suggested that, you know, personal skills classes
might behoove the department because we're now dealing, we've
been all, all been expeditors and we know how to get around
the system. Now we're dealing with people
degreed in most cases who expecta different level of behavior
that we're not giving them. Man, did I catch hell.

(01:19:08):
And eventually was pushed out ofthe company.
And then a year and a half afterI left, I ran into an individual
that she was a purchasing department secretary and her
cubicle or her desk was right outside my cubicle.
And she said, you know, you're not going to believe this.
I said what? She goes, they just instituted

(01:19:30):
interpersonal skills classes plant wide.
So that process took about 4 1/2years.
Look, similar stories with me where where the sabotaging was
attempted, but three years, fouryears later down the line, the
same thing contacted by by people who were still there.

(01:19:53):
And they're like, hey, remember what they were trying to stop
you from doing. Hey, that's happening.
You know this is. Perfect example.
Yeah, that was a confirmation for me that I was meant to be
there. I was to do what I was supposed
to do. I was meant to shine some light,

(01:20:14):
bring the light with me and shine it brightly.
And I did. And then when the job was done,
it was time to leave. So that's a discernment that
takes the, the, the, you know, level of the discernment.
You don't want to be stuck in a place where you're no longer

(01:20:34):
flourishing or thriving, right? And that happens so much.
And not only for me. It was a trifecta.
Corporate job loss, divorce, leaving the church.
And so the following year was total freedom for me.

(01:20:55):
I got I had the opportunity to get back in touch with me and
wow, what a difference that madeand it changed my life and and
gave me the understanding through various things that

(01:21:15):
mention of the experience with Jesus that happened that summer
too. So there was all kinds of things
that that got me back on the thepath and and showed me that
yeah, OK, it was OK to deviate from the norm, if you will for a
little bit Now let's let's get going right.
It's. Really interesting that you

(01:21:35):
mentioned that trifecta because I did have a trifecta experience
too later on, as you know, young.
Well, it's that. Trinity right as an adult
already where where a roll was winding down at the same time my
car died and my mom died in a matter of two weeks.

(01:21:55):
Wow. My head was spinning.
And it, these are the kinds of things, if you will, that we
have no control over and yet arethere for us to be able to
recognize and let go of whatevertrauma we're trying to carry

(01:22:20):
because we can. That's a choice we can make.
We can carry that trauma throughthe rest of our lives and, you
know, play the victim. Yes, I actually wrote an article
about that on LinkedIn. Shifting that mindset.
There are no victims. Mindset once you once you've

(01:22:41):
escaped it's not only the victimmindset, it's also the survival
mindset and it all is all intertwined with the
perfectionism mindset they're all intertwined and they.
Well, you got some great numbersbehind you that I would like to
say. We can all come alive and thrive

(01:23:01):
in 2025, and that is our destiny.
Yes, we can. Speaking of destiny, we're out
of time. I would love a tasty tidbit of
advice that you could give others for daily living to be in
this kind of place. So having a, for me, a morning

(01:23:27):
routine of mindful centering of intentions for the day,
sometimes even doing it on a weekly basis at the end or at
the beginning of the week as well.
Extra time, giving extra time toyourself, even if it's 1015
minutes, it could be and it could change every day.

(01:23:52):
I'm not a big fan of about aboutmaking things rituals, but
almost. You can get lost in the ritual.
Yes, you can get lost in the rituals and in traditions right?
But finding what resonates more with you times I do like a, a, A

(01:24:17):
when I was going through the emotionally healthy
spirituality, gross experience that I was going through, one of
the things that was impressed upon us was to memorize the
Lord's Prayer. So literally the first thing I
do when I wake up in the morningis the Lord's Prayer before I go

(01:24:39):
to sleep is the same thing. And when I'm feeling off during
the day, I will pause and and doit again.
So there could be days where I'mreciting the Lord's Prayer five
times a day, you know, And it isa way of stealing my brain when

(01:25:01):
my brain is racing because I have so many either things to do
or because I'm processing a lot of data in my brain.
That is the only thing that literally calms my brain is
reciting the Lord's Prayer. Other practices are daily
affirmations, devotionals. I do use this wonderful app.

(01:25:27):
I was also introduced to it during that time and it was
called the, it's called the century prayer app.
And, and you just, you set it all up how you want and it
incorporates reading devotional in the beginning and at the end
you select which ones you want. And then in the middle there is

(01:25:53):
stillness and silence. So it plays music and then it
has a timer. You set the time 5 minutes, 10
minutes, thirty minutes. However, and with time you do
grow in this a ability to, to bestill.
You could do it while you're walking in the park that walking
in the park or sitting on a bench or, or just at home and,

(01:26:18):
or waiting on the bus or the subway, you know, and.
Wouldn't it be great to be able to do that moment?
Moment it's it's it's great, youknow, because it's it's century
and grounding you. But the in the stillness,
there's also intentionality. So if it's that I need to wait

(01:26:40):
and listen for something to be told to me, I, I, I'm listening,
right? Because they're different
moments depending how you're going into it, letting God speak
to you in those stillness moments.
Stillness moments are always good.
And it's the only way that, thatthe clarity can come in right?

(01:27:09):
And the clutter goes out right. And it's it leaves you with a
sense of of peace to do whateverit is that you need to do the
rest of your day. That's surpassive understanding,
right? Joanne, this has been such a

(01:27:30):
wonderful conversation. I totally appreciate your time,
your talent, your skill set, andthe wisdom that you shared in
the work that you've done and what difference it can make in
others. Thank you so much for having me.
It was a great pleasure to meet you and, and I hope this
resonates with with the audience.

(01:27:51):
And I'm on LinkedIn if anyone wants to connect and I am
launching some like faith at work groups this year.
And if anyone is interested in, in learning about that, I'm
working with integrating faith into the way business operates

(01:28:13):
to help leaders in, in, in corporate America, not profits.
And also entrepreneurs that are seeking to integrate faith into
their walk, their daily work andeverything that they do.
I'll have your your LinkedIn contact information and
description of the video. So thank you so much again and

(01:28:34):
namaste and in LA catch and thank you for sticking with us
for this episode of One World ina New World.
I'm Zen Benefiel, your host, andwe'll see you next time.

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