Ep 187 - Army Colonel Reveals Mind-Blowing Truth About Life's Purpose! - One World in a New World - Apocalyptic Chats

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Namaste. And in La Quech, welcome to this
week's episode of One World in aNew World.
I'm Zen Benefil, your host, and this week's guest is Scott
Perdis. He is an author, a change agent,
a retired Army Colonel, and he is a lifelong learner,
adventurer, seeker of enduring lasting truth.

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And I know we're going to have agreat conversation, so stick
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Scott, it's so great to have youhere.
There's been some amazing serendipitous synchronicities

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with us and with your history. I have a feeling we're going to
have a very interesting conversation, especially when it
comes to recognizing that interconnectedness that I seek
and, and all the guests that we have and the vulnerabilities
that they have in being able to share that.
So I'm looking forward to that. Thank you so much for being

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here. Well, it's, it's terrific to be
here, Zen and I really appreciate the invitation.
Super. So let's start in the beginning,
right in, in this conversation with life that we have, we have
inner conversations, we have outer conversations.
And most of the time, we're bereft of sharing those inner
conversations with others for various reasons, right.

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So in your development and experience in life, was there a
time that you remember a first inclination of of that greater
interconnectedness in life that we often seem to miss?
It's funny, I didn't have an event, but but I'll tell you a
little bit about my background, just to give you some context.

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So my my mom was the youngest of16 children.
My father was the second oldest of seven, so we had 23 aunts.
And then when you had marriages,you know, 23 aunts, sets of
aunts and uncles. And how can you?
Remember them all. Well, that, that's a good
question because if you had asked me, I had 67 first

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cousins. And so even if you were to just
quiz me on naming those, I'd, I'd have to go through each each
of my aunts and then name each child down through the ranks.
I've lost contact with or connections with the second
cousins and the now the other generations, but most of that
family lived within a couple of miles.
So my upbringing, my first years.

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So we're always about family. So we're always going to my
grandparents house and and as a matter of fact, my grandparents
since my mother was the youngest, my grandparents were
older when I was born. They were, they were 70, already
in their 70s. And then as my grandmother got
into her 80s, she got sickly andmy mother, along with her
sisters, took care of her until her passing.

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And then that happened again with my grandfather.
But in my younger years, so ages8 to 14, every week we were up
there. I would go one night after
school, I'd get off my the bus at my grandfather's house and we
would do chores together. So he and I, we'd cut wood or
we'd fix fences or we'd do something around the property.

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Now, my parents, both of them, Igrew up Catholic and so very
devoted. My mother had actually gone to
the convent before. She she was anticipating being a
nun, but I never really had the conversation on why she didn't
follow through with it. But she ended up not following
through with her final vows and she ends up marrying my father

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and they have us Now. I'll give you a sort of this
contrast. So my mother going to be a nun,
the church a. Very devout woman regardless.
But the Church is the ultimate authority, so there is no
questioning whatever the priest says, no question.
My father, a devout Catholic also but questioning.

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So he he read the Edgar Cayce books as an example.
How fascinating. Yes.
So he got involved with, remember when it was Amway back
in the 60s and got involved withAmway.
But of course there was a sort of a Christian evangelical
element to to that whole system.And so he was sort of outside

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the normal Catholic doctrine anddogma world.
And so he had this open to otherviewpoints, which was my first
exposure to that. Then as I became a teenager, I
would read things like Think andGrow Rich and and and again, no,
Yeah. But but it was this idea of OK,

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Think and grow rich, what do I have?
What control do I actually have over this reality that I'm
experiencing? So these are the kinds of
things. And I started to move toward
more esoteric books and read those things.
But the in that I was looking atthese things, it was not
something I was talking to anybody about.
It was everything was very mainstream, so to speak.

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No, nobody talks about esoteric things.
I'm a. Why do you think that is?
Why would that not happen? I think part of the reason, and
at least as I interpret it now, sure is this mainstream of the
church doctrine. You don't sway from the church
doctrine. And as a matter of fact, even
these days, if you talk to folkswho are very indoctrinated in

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the doctrine, if you bring up things that like inconsistencies
in the Bible or those kinds of things, they will things.
That just don't make sense. Yes, yes, many things don't make
sense in the Bible, but if you bring that up, they will go
right back to doctrine and said we can't even consider those
things. That's.
You confront them with, you know, the door knockers that
come to your door. You confront them with the

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direct experience that you've had and you had, you know,
you're talking to them. Then they start flipping through
the book to make right instead of just being now wait a minute.
Jesus said, you know, open your heart, talk to people, come out
of your closet. You know the the word is written
in your heart, not in that book.So be here with me, right?
Let's share some love. Exactly, exactly.

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So my development as I as I wentto college and reading
philosophers and and the esoteric text.
Remember how Lindsay in his his?Oh yeah.
End of the world Bible prophecy book.
So so I I read those. But he had the opposite
connotation of the the true meaning of apocalypse, right?
Which is uncovering knowledge. And and there's this.

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And this is what amazes me. I'm glad you brought this up,
because there's this general belief that the word means
something entirely different than its origins.
How do we do that? We do that with a lot of things.
We, you could, you could get into terms like liberal and

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conservative and what those how we twist those to, to achieve
whatever objective we want to achieve with our, with the
language. It means totally different,
liberal or libertarian, and I know this from my wife because
she's from Russia originally, orUSSR.
It it has a total different meaning there than it does in
America. Yes, yes.

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So there's those kinds of connotations, those
misunderstandings of same words and use in different cultures
that elicit totally different ideologies sometimes that are
occasionally in conflict. Yes, yes, absolutely.
When when I so so looking at that background.

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So it was this sort of, I'd say,if I were to try to summarize
it, it was both this reasoning like if you read the Bible as an
example and say, well, there's alot of inconsistencies here.
This doesn't make sense. So, so some reasoning but also
intuition that pointed me in this direction of these esoteric
messages which had had led me tothis understanding of or at

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least my perspective of how the.Word.
You use the word. Speaking of understanding, let's
clarify a word. I'd love to do this and and I
think you would too. Intuition.
What's that mean to you? This to me, it's this one of
these faculties. And, and I've heard you talk
about this before, it's not justour five senses, it's so many
more than that. But I take this as this message

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center inside that's spurring meto either look here, open my
eyes somehow, or be accepting ofsomething that I have heretofore
had a wall or some resistance to.
Hence the quiver in the gut as you're having that intuitive
notion and, and it's interestinghow we can interpret that quiver
as anxiety, fear, right, something about to happen,

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right, or anticipation of something about to happen.
Totally different energy receptors from that place.
Isn't that funny? And you brought up that word
anticipation. And, and if you, if you put
those as polar opposites so thatyou have this anxiety and you

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can take it even into deeper words.
But anticipation, we get excited.
Anticipation is a good thing, but it's the same feelings of
all that anxiety and angst and fear.
But if we turn it, that is, thisis anticipation of something
good happening, or something that unexpected happening that
will end up with good results, then there is no reason to cling

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to fear. Absolutely.
Now this you make a great point of perspective, not perception
perspective, one of which manages perception.
If you choose to have the perspective of the fear laden
side, you're going to perceive something dangerous.

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Perhaps if you have the opposite, you're going to have
the opposite too. You're going to be open and
aware and almost a sense of being loved in a fuller way.
Yes, yes, absolutely. It's amazing.
So back to the story. So you're in the esoteric realms

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and you're looking at stuff and you're not talking to anybody
and. No, you know, it's funny.
And this is, this is I always, Ialways advise people, you know,
connect and collaborate. But for me now, if I were to
label I'm, I'm an introvert. I can be an extrovert when I
need to be to get things done. But personally, I'm an
introvert. So I need to take some of my own

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advice, which when you invited me to have this conversation,
this is part of me taking my ownadvice, which is to connect and
collaborate and have these conversations because it's going
to help me better understand what the reality and what truth
is. And that's why I think that's so
valuable and and so much say thank you for having this
opportunity to talk. You're welcome and and this is

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part of having generative conversations in a
psychologically safe and intellectually humble
environment. Yes, we.
Can we can parry and thrust and then, you know, dive and jive
and do all those kinds of thingsin this dance.
And we're, we're not afraid of exploring because we've both had
the experience of doing so and how fruitful it is.

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So we invite more of it to happen.
And especially now, I think it'simperative that we develop these
conversations because we are forming a, a new normal.
We still don't know what it is yet.
And there's this huge shift that's happening on a lot of
different levels for a lot of different reasons, and yet it

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all coincides with these ancientcalendars, which is amazing.
Yes, yes, as as we went up to the change of the Millennium for
us, of course, then that caused me to focus on more esoteric
materials. What's going on?
And then as we drew to 2012, same thing, trying to peel back
the onion, what is really going on.

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And then for the last 15 years for me, after I retired from the
Army, it has been both exploringsome practical strategies for
how can I achieve things and live well, but at the same time
trying to understand the bigger picture of what's really going
on. So in your expiration of 2012,

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if we can dive in there for a moment and go and fly off on a
tangent, what was your what was your take on what was happening
during that time and and what wewere to anticipate?
Part of and, and this is interesting because fear is such
a dominant force in the world and this is we we bring it

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through ourselves and it's it's something that we we cling to
fear, which is an interesting thing.
So coming up to 2012, so we're talking about those years of
2006 to 2012. There's this idea of the world's
going to end in 2012 and and yousaw that how.
Didn't we find that? Where did that information come
from anyway? I I see that to me, my

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perspective again of looking at this is more than marketing.
Fear sells and fear gets attention, and that's why our
media leads with fear so often, and why our politics are all
about fear. And it's all fear, fear, fear.
Because and business is all problem solution.
Yes, which is which is an interesting dynamic, but I get

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people's attention with fear andthen I'm going to, I'm going to
often times create a problem that I will solve for you by by
employing me or, or or buying myproduct and what have you.
But I saw that coming into 2012 as fear being at least a
significant component of sellingideas about what 2012 meant.

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But what I landed on and I think, and again having listened
to you is the similar idea that 2012 wasn't the end.
It was this period of transformation to a higher
frequency that we are all invited to engage with and
participate in. So it wasn't an end, it was a
beginning. And so that's how I look at 2012

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and our evolution. Now and then I ask myself, well,
how do I fit into all of that and how can I contribute?
There's and there's multiple ways of doing that right.
You may not know, OK, do you know how, how 2012, how we got
the notion that there was an indoor beginning of time there?

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Well. You know how that was
introduced. With the Mayan calendar and and
so forth. Yes, yeah, well, the guy, the
guy behind that was Jose Arguez.And Jose was a personal friend
for a number of years before hisdeath.
I met him in 1997 and we had this wonderful conversation
about this because he had written loads of material and

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and was kind of the the way shore for the Western world, if
you will, or the rest of the world of this calendar
initially. There's another guy in Kaliman
or yeah, Kaliman over in Europe.But Jose had the the terrestrial
background, I guess for it. And So what he explained to me

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is that we're in this 50 year window opened in 87 harmonic
conversions, escalating consciousness and awareness up
to the apex of the solstice of 2012.
So now we're primed and ready. And because that process was
almost like the information curve as far as the escalation.
And you look around anywhere andyou can see all the books,

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tapes, videos, TV shows, all that kind of stuff.
And then what do you do with it?Well, now that you have it, you
take it everywhere. Like Harv Eckert says, you what
you do anywhere, you do everywhere.
So you've got this energy, you're carrying it around.
You're not necessarily aware of it, but you do know that you've
elevated your consciousness a little bit.

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And so what's that going to do? It's going to ripple.
It's going to affect everything,every place you go.
What's going to happen with that?
Well, everything that doesn't fit with this new resonant
frequency, if you will, rises tothe surface for reexamination.
Well, imagine that on a global scale, what's happening right
now, right? So it what he was saying was

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that 710 years after this 2012, we'll begin to see all of this
chaotic stuff rise to the surface and it'll give us a
chance to figure out what to do with it.
We're not expecting COVID to come along to assist, right?
So we got the opportunity to do some self examination with that
sitting sequester and you know, all that kind of stuff.

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And then you know what the end of that fifty year cycle is
2037. So we can see there's some rapid
changes happening, especially with AI facilitating at all.
Well that, you know, we see it as artificial.
It's not artificial. It's simply not human.
And when you deal with AI any length of time, you see there's

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a sentience there. It's undeniable.
So why do we see it as artificial?
It keeps us separate from us andand it gauges the opportunity
for fear to become present again.
And so, you know, that's just another layer that it gets
rolled back. So how did you in in that
experience that moving from the esoteric and and through and I'm

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sure how did you grapple with this while you were in the
military and and in the roles that you played there?
It's interesting so. Retired Colonel.
So that makes them right. So part of that when I graduated
from college, Well, here's a here's an interesting story.
Just just I'll give you a side, take you back to my high school

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year. So I'm a senior in high school,
17 years old, senior in high school and I had already applied
for and been accepted to the university.
I grew up in Southern New Hampshire and I was going to go
to the University of New Hampshire in Durham, NH.
My father had served in the Air Force.
Many of my uncles had served some in World War 2.
And I always wanted to serve. And as a kid, I played with
little soldiers, little plastic soldiers and all that.

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And I always wanted to serve. And I had actually considered
the military academies, but thenhad moved on beyond that.
But I'm a senior in high school and I get this phone call and
it's a military recruiter, an Army recruiter.
And I, this is what my my envision is.
OK, I'm going to tell him I'm going to college, which is going
to be thank you very much. And he's going to hang up.
And I said, I'm going to college.

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And he says, have I got a deal for you?
Have I got a deal for you? And what it was was the
simultaneous membership program.So you enlist in the Army
Reserve and then you enroll in College in the Reserve Officer
Training Corps to become an officer, get a Commission and
and so on with the Army. So three days out of high
school, I was on a bus and then a plane heading off to Army

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Basic Training, which was that summer between high school and
college got back no hair at all,you know, a crew cut.
This was 1980. And then off to enrolled in
college and then joined the Reserve office of Training Corps
and then went on to get my Commission stayed in the
reserve. But my objective was they asked

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me to go on active duty as I graduated from college and went
off to my office of basic course.
And I said, no, I'm going to light the world on fire.
That's my mission. I'm going to light the world on
fire. I'm going to create businesses
going to become. Just this superstar
entrepreneur, yadda, yadda, yadda had these really
millionaire and billionaire making ideas and they were

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because they made other people millionaires and billionaires,
but none of them had traction. Now, looking back on it, you
could say, well, you didn't pushhard enough down one of those
avenues and that's true, but they never, they never gained
traction. So my wife, who I met in

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college, we got married the year, year and a half after I
graduated and after she had graduated, she was a school
teacher, very practical, hard working, just wonderful human
being. She's really an Angel in my
life. But she went.
Near the credit that they deserve.
My daughter's mother was an English and Lit teacher. 8th

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grade. I mean, the age and food and
mischievousness of that age, youknow, I, you know, look back.
How the hell did she get throughthat?
And and I taught high school fora while, man, something else.
Yes, yes. So she was teaching school and I

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was doing my entrepreneurial things, but also stayed in the
Army Reserve. Well, our first child was coming
along and we decided, OK, we wanted my wife to be able to
stay home full time, which meantI needed to get on the straight
and narrow because my income wasup and down and she was our
steady income as a teacher. But for her to stay home, that

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meant I needed to get on straight and narrow.
So I'd applied to go on active duty, go full time, and they
accepted me and off I went. So 25 years I was on active
duty. But the interesting thing was it
was much like your experience inthe corporate world.
You have this structure and the objective is for us.
We have a mission. We're going to organize.

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We're going to plan, organize, prepare and execute the mission.
It's very deliberate. It's very organized.
You have a whole system that helps you accomplish the
objectives and sometimes down. To the second.
Yes, yes, yes. So I immersed myself in that and
and we we, we, my wife and I andour children then use that as an
opportunity to see the world on Uncle Sam's dime.

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And I grew through that career. Now here's an interesting thing
to wear what brought me back today.
And when I look back on it, I think this is again
serendipitous event. My focus in the Army.
The Army is about using power toachieve, in this case, national
objectives. So you study war and the use and

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employment of power and potentially violence to achieve
certain objectives. So this was the big picture
Army, but my role in it was always about small missions.
I went to Bosnia, later on I went to Iraq, but it was not to
fight, so to speak. I mean, there was fighting going
on, but it was to achieve certain objectives.

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But then through a series of serendipitous events, I went to
be a general's aide to a three star general who is also a Medal
of Honor recipient. And I had asked for in my mind,
an assignment that brought me closer to someone like that, not
knowing what would happen. And then put here I go off to be
an aide to a three star general Medal of Honor recipient from

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Vietnam War. Following assignment brought me
to the Pentagon. Now this was in 2001.
From there, I went to, I appliedto be a congressional fellow.
So then I went on to Capitol Hill and served a year as a
congressional fellow working fora senator on Capitol Hill.

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That's really when you get to see the big picture, both from
the Department of Defense and from the federal government.
You see how the sausage is made,so to speak.
Yeah. And and that observation of
what's going on with some degreeof understanding, right,
especially with where you'd beenthat there's always this kind of

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question of what's really going on.
Yes, yes, that's exactly right. Because as I'm going up through
the ranks, so so in the army, it's your small units to larger
units, but you always have a mission and a focus and there's
higher authority that's directing it.
But for me, and I'll, I'll sharethis personally, I always looked
at myself and, and I frame it aslike, like the white knight.

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I'm a guy who very much is aboutprinciple, duty, honor, loyalty,
integrity, those values of selflessness and service.
And then I would add one more peace.
Yes, yes. So I saw myself as an agent to
achieve those objectives. Ultimately peace.

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The but I'm climbing up higher and higher and higher in the
organization. So now I'm at the Pentagon, now
I'm on Capitol Hill and I'm seeing how the sausage is all
made and how power ebbs and flows in the focus of power,
which is very interesting. So then I come to the end of my
Army career, but I've always been dabbling in these
esoterics. And this is in the in those hot

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years of 2000, understanding what's going on with this 2012,
what's happening with our lives and our unity.
Going back to how Lindsay, the apocalypse, and you look to try
to hit the dots he connected, which is his own way of
connecting those dots, but looking at his biblical
prophecy, and I'm thinking, all right, is there anything to all
of this? And then I kept getting sort of

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these doors would open and I'd find something new and something
again in the esoteric and the spiritual dimension that brought
me to what I understood. This is more truthful than what
I had. And so I'd released what I had
and I'd move toward what I felt was more truthful.
When I retired from the Army, I thought, what can I do that will

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make a contribution? And I said, I'll get into
personal and professional development.
I'll become the next Tony Robbins.
This was my, you know, my visionmore in the Wayne Dyer kind of
world. But my vision was, OK, I'm going
to be put together. I'm going to write books.
I'm going to put together onlineprograms.
I'm going to deliver in person workshops.
And that's going to spiral into something big.

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And then I'm going to go on the world stage and all over the
world and do great things and influence people to back to that
objective of helping them becomethe best version of themselves.
Sure, and you got at least six books that I'm aware of.
So I have 11 out now 11. Books.
Good for you, good for you. I like the promise and
potential. Yes, yeah, that was the first

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one. Promise and Potential was the
first one. That was back in the hot years.
I was still in the Army then andit was, we did not have print on
demand. It was you got to order the 3000
copies and you know, ship them to your garage and all that.
Yes, a different. Form of Amway, right?

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So, So what I've been doing thenis doing that.
So I focused on health, wealth and leadership in those areas.
But always there's this undercurrent of who are we
really and why are we here? And so if you read my books,

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it's always pointing back to those those ideas and values
that you are a proponent of about.
We are all one. We're all having an individuated
experience of this grand creation.
And we bring our own perspective, knowledge, skills,
talents to the game that we're playing.
And it's all for the greater good.

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All is well and all will be well.
I backed that 110%. That's a sense of trust that you
gain by being that connected because you see the evidence of
how it all works, at least glimpses, right?

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And have to give you that sense of awe and inspiration to
continue right That in when you were in I'm curious when you
were in that high level senatorial configuration, were
you able to notice this types ofthings that we're talking about

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in others through their behavior?
Was it veiled were because, you know, it would seem that no
matter what we think or what kind of judgement or criticism
we want to project on others, that we really want the best
outcome. Yes, yes.
I think people always make the decision that they believe is

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the best, however that plays out, but they always, always
are. This is the best decision for
whatever these circumstances are.
And this has come back to my lifelong lesson of learning not
to judge. And it's still a lesson I
struggle with, but but in this. So let me let me bridge back
just to answer that question in a bit of a I'm going to stray a

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little bit, but I'll come back to answering specifically that
question. I think we're all
tangentialists, so let's play along.
OK, OK, so the work I'm doing right now is for my course that
I call what's really going on apocalypse or evolution.
Now the apocalypse word that I'musing is to stimulate this idea
of the end apocalypse or evolution, but it goes back to

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the real meaning of apocalypse, which is this understanding,
this awakening. Yeah, well, you got to have the
trigger. Yes.
Right. You got to have that stimulator.
Yeah, just like with, you know, my story in the New World Order
thing. Man, that's a controversial
phrase if ever there was one. How do you unpack that so that

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there's this? What seems to be the potential
of a binary system unifying? Yes, yes, yes.
So in this course, what I do is one of one of the sessions is
talking about world views. And so I OK, we've got 8 billion

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people on the planet. We have 8 billion different
world views, but I categorize them into three world views.
The predominant world view is the five sense driven world
view, which I term the survivalist world view.
The survivalist world view is whatever my 5 senses tell me.
That's it. This existence is an accident.

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I'm not going to stray beyond that.
Whatever the dogma doctrine I'vebeen in, I've been indoctrinated
by, that's what I will conform to.
And it's all about 5 senses. I'm not going to stray beyond
that because I'm going to be thought of as an outsider, a
weirdo, crazy, whatever it may be.
That is the predominant worldview, one that we all
default to at times, is the survivalist worldview.

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However, the survivalist worldview is a kill or be
killed. We are in a competition against
everyone else. I'm here to get the most as
quick as I can, have most pleasure that I can, the least
pain that I can. That's the survivalist
worldview. Now from that, however, if you
look at like the American Society, most folks will claim

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that there is a deity, external deity, what I call the theist
worldview that says there is something out there, some power
greater than us, greater than me, that created us and created
all of this. The theist worldview says that
external force is responsible for all that is.

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Now it's an interesting thing when I say that when I say there
is an external force, I can absolve myself of responsibility
because it's up to God. I'm no longer responsible.
Right in in the survivalist worldview, people hate
responsibility. We want freedom.
We claim to want freedom, but wehate responsibility.
Well, freedom and responsibilityare two sides of the same coin.

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Absolutely. In the theist worldview, I can
blame God. This is God.
The reason this happened was because God has has I'm here for
a test. I've got to pass the test.
My objective is to pass the test.
Yeah, there is 1/3 worldview. Third worldview is what I see
your worldview as and what I'm trying to aspire and understand

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and live, which is a holist worldview and that is all is 1.
One is all. We are just individuations of
the one living this grand adventure in time and space to
experience the imagination of the divine.

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That holist worldview right now is a very minority worldview.
Most if you ask most Americans, they say I believe in God.
What does that mean? They'll they'll point to a
theist worldview, but it predominantly is that
survivalist worldview. Now going back to your original
question of on Capitol Hill as an example, person to person,

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which is this is very interesting to me, person to
person. This is like Lincoln's quote.
That person is, you know, does pretty nasty things.
I better, I better get to know them better.
And the idea is that when I meetup with them person to person, I
will see, I will recognize the divinity in that other person.
If I just get closer and recognize it, it's probably

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fear, this curtain of fear and angst and anxiety and all that,
that has caused them to act thatway.
So I've got to learn. I've got to learn about them,
get closer to them so I can see the divinity in there in that
person. Because all of us are divine,
one-on-one. Up on Capitol Hill, it's the
same way. It's all about relationships.

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It's all about getting along so that we can do the right thing.
And they were all, everybody will sing from that hymnal until
somebody brings up the US against them.
They are different than us. It's a struggle for power.
And then every right away, everybody moves to their camps.
And then it becomes these groups, this tribalism where

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we're competing and it has become more and more polarizing
and conflicting. But it goes back to your point,
we're in this evolutionary stage.
We're being called to evolve, but we are resisting.
We are resisting across the board.
I'm say that across the board asa hinge, but that's the what
we're seeing in our. Across the aisle.

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Yeah. We're seeing that in our
politics. We're seeing it in our media.
We're seeing that in our in our economics.
It's all this competition. It's the survivalist worldview,
kill or be killed, dog eat dog. When we're being called to move
to the holist worldview where we're we understand where we're
awakened to this truth that we are all one.

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Let's get along. Precisely, Precisely.
There's a guy named Dudley Lynchwrote Strategy of the Dolphin
back in the 80s. Organizational development kind
of theory and then in the late 90s he wrote a book called The
Mother of All Minds and I got toknow Dudley.

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We passed copious emails. He's deaf so couldn't talk.
There was just, you know, like almost.
Books are small novellas. In each of the emails for quite
a while. He gave me the moniker of
possibilities Coagulator afterwards.
But he, in his book says that we're in and out.

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So the past was an alpha chassisand alpha mind that Speaking of
our human beings, right? The alpha mind is steeped in
competition. That's how we've been.
Now. The beta mind still in the alpha
chassis is able to at least grokthe concept of oneness.

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Might not be able to do anythingabout it yet, but it understands
that it's there. So this is the shift that we're
taking. He was writing about this in the
in the 90s. And I think many authors, you
and I and others like us, see this.
And we're attempting to wave some flags and saying, you know,

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we're not wanting to beat peopleover the head with it because it
would work that way. It's an imitation.
It's not a push and shove. Yes, yes.
So how did you see that? Where did you want to take that
after you left Capitol Hill? And how, what's the feedback

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loop that you want to create forthat?
Because I'm sure walking away, Iknow I've done this in every
position and organization I've been in.
It's like, OK, how can I incorporate this and feed it
back so that it's all better? Yes.
That's a profound question for me, one that I've been
struggling with. What I had anticipated was I'd

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start writing on these topics, which I guys of health, wealth
and relationships, but all of itlike if you look at promise and
potential, if you were to read that it's all about personal
growth and this, this calling totruth, to understanding, to
opening yourself to the possibility that we are not in a

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dog eat dog world. We're in something much more
magnificent than that. So I had anticipated that I'd
start planting these seeds, put my books out, put my courses
out, do my seminars and workshops and that would spiral,
gain momentum, broader audiences, larger audiences and
so on and so forth. None of that took.

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None of that took. Now you could argue from a
practical standpoint, I know youhave this this side of you
because you, I, I would say, andthat you might not like it, but
you're you, you have this industrial engineer approach to
things at least in one aspect ofyour life and how I would
interpret. It.
Thank you. Yeah.
And, and so for me from the practical side, you say, well,

(38:22):
you got to get more effective marketing and you got to apply
money and, and, and spend the money to get the customers and
yadda, yadda, yadda. Again, I get all that.
I've not been able to do it. So then it causes me to ask the
question, OK, is what I'm putting out in the world not
resonating? Is it not of value or am I
failing in marketing or now here's a more to me reflective

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question. Is my timing not right?
Do I need to grow? Because ultimately, I believe my
mission is to make the most of myself.
I can't change you or anyone else.
My job is to change me to becomethe best version of myself and
hopefully inspire others to become the best version of
themselves. So maybe it's my timing, maybe

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it's my approach, Maybe it's meeting people like Zen is the
way that these doors open. And I think that's part of it.
The timing will happen when. You know as you know as well as
I do, that you teach what you need to learn.
Yes, yes, yes. Right.
You just mentioned that, you know, a while back you had to

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follow your own advice. That's right.
That's what. And as a coach, I, gosh, you
know every client I'm facing myself, right?
Yes. Yes, a lot I've got to do with
me now and it's true. You know, I am another you, you
are another me. That's the in La Quech that's

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the Mayan again, right. Namaste is the the Brahmi.
It means I worship that which iswithin you, which is the same as
me. So these, you know, how do we
get to that place where? And this has been my question,

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right? And understanding all this
design stuff, intelligence and intricacies so woven well that
it produces this sense of awe atthe timing and the situations
and things that we experience, right?
So that being a given, if thingsare so well crafted and
constructed, what's our design? How are we evolving?

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What? How are we supposed to evolve?
And are we, because of this invitation, then beginning to
look at, OK, vibrationally speaking?
And quantum physics is saying, hey, yeah, everything's
vibration and, and it's all, youknow, it moves and it ebbs and
flows because of our awareness. And what would this awareness

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then become in its fullest sense?
Which takes us back to the betas.
You know that we're all divine threads, Incarnate, connected to
Source, capable of God consciousness.
Well, that doesn't mean that we're going to be this end all
be all creator being. That means that we have infinite

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intelligence available to our specific needs and our own
design to inquire of. Now, where would that take us if
we were to begin to see life in that holistic fashion?

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And I'm hoping that what I'm doing with Planetary Citizens
and breaking down the Co creation wheel with the 12
sectors, right? A great model, I think with
spirodynamics because it measures the level of how the
civilization's evolved and how it behaves with itself, right?
What examples these 12 sectors or various areas of society that

(42:10):
all work together that have separate systems, or systems
that have been kept separate because we haven't known how to
integrate it all? Now we're asking those
questions. How do we integrate them?
How do we create this horizontalstructure instead of the
vertical hierarchies that have destroyed everything?

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That's right. That's right.
I look at if if I were to and and again, things have a lot of
nuance and. Pardon the soapbox.
A lot, a lot of degree. But I'd say the pre eminent
challenge of our existence is torecognize we are not separate.
If we can recognize we are not separate, then the other no

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longer is our enemy. And it changes the dynamic of
this competition when when I look at it.
So I started writing a book. I started writing a book on
power and the dynamic. And I thought, OK, so in this
10th, well, we could get into I,I don't think this is our first
go round. So our 10,000 years of our

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agricultural 1012 thousand years, however long, I think
there have been other go rounds.But just looking at this current
flow of what we consider civilization, the 10 or 12,000
years of our agricultural existence has been dominated by
this competition. And it's, it becomes, I'm going,
it's been a taking mindset. The objective is to take the

(43:35):
most, at the least amount of effort.
So I'm going to either kill the other guy or enslave the other
guy and get whatever I can. And that the egalitarian
societies all get conquered ultimately by this.
We're going to, we're going to. We've got to compete with the
other guy, whatever it is. The command and control

(43:56):
structure. Yes.
And we're being asked now to say, all right, we've had plenty
of time to play in that kill or be killed world.
We've had 12,000 years of it. Do you want to keep playing
there or not? If not, then recognize those
people you're competing against.Are you?
It's you. You can cooperate and

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collaborate, connect and create instead of compete and destroy.
And that's exactly where Dudley says the Beta mind in the Alpha
chassis is headed towards. It's all about collaboration,
true collaboration, not the famekind of, hey, come over here,
let's collaborate and it's goingto be on my agenda, right?

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No, let's create a common agendathat we can all bring our skill
sets and, and aptitude, altitudeand sense of being into play in
more fuller dynamics and, and people get less done or happy
people get more done with less supervision and will exceed your

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expectations every time. So we have all of these things.
There's proof mountains of it. What's the challenge in
instituting it, especially coming out of COVID?
You know, Schwab asked two questions in his book that I
thought were compelling, one on an individual basis and one
about businesses. One, the individual was can we
be caring and compassionate towards one another coming out

(45:23):
of COVID? The other was about business,
can businesses be agile enough to survive?
So this is where that servant leadership kind of mentality is
beginning to seep in, which is acquiescing to this overall
theme that you and I are talkingabout.

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Yes, yes. I think fundamentally, so for me
it's this idea we we've got to come to terms that we are not
separate. But to do that, to make that
leap requires two things. First of all, trust, and that is
a difficult concept for if I'm an individual trust, I don't

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know who that. Means you've got to be fearless.
Yes, which means I've got to be vulnerable.
Yeah, I've got to be vulnerable,you know, and this is this is
The funny thing that I see with Christianity.
I say Christ, very simple message, but it was
revolutionary. It was transformative.
His message was love one anotherand very simple, very simple.

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Well, what the heck? Look what we've done with that.
We've killed more people in Jesus name than just about
anybody else. You think that?
Does that? Do those dots connect?
Of course not. But.
How and, and our economy, the American economy is running off
the defense budget. We just don't know it.
That's right. But here, here's so one guy,

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revolutionary idea, revolutionary concept.
And here's the thing, you know, St.
Saint Francis said nobody's tried Christianity yet.
It's it's everyone claims to be Christian, but nobody's really
tried it. There's only one person that's
been able to live it, and that was Jesus Christ himself.
And why is it so difficult to live?
It was because he had this idea that you are not the enemy.

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You are me and I will be vulnerable because all will be
Well. Now we in our scared little
thing, we say, well, how'd that turn out for him?
Well, not so good. He ended up on a tree.
Well, OK, Do you get the message?
The message was not. The message was that even at

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that he was saying forgive them.They know not what they do
because we are all one. We are all one.
And it doesn't end here. It doesn't end here.
And because it doesn't end here,his message was still incomplete
in my opinion, because what did he do afterwards?

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He got up and he left right. We call it the Ascension.
Yes, yes. He appeared in multiple places
around the the world. The Book of Mormon is built
around his appearance in the Americas.
And you know, during that 40 dayperiod that he was gone and then
came back. So there's all these kinds of

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loose information that we haven't been able to assemble
yet. And you know, the like we were
talking about earlier, you know,flipping through the book when
you're provided with a direct experience in order to try and
figure out how to confront it, right?

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Because the belief factor is notthere.
They say it, but they don't liveit.
So what would happen if Jesus would show up right it and has
he to some I mean and I asked that question because he did to
me and then on several occasions, one in front of
others and he asked to speak through me and after my only.

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It's the only experience I've ever had of channeling.
It was so bizarre. It was ridiculous and yet as I
opened my mouth and allowed him to speak, He says know that I am
with you always. There was after an event that we
were asked to act as if he was in our presence.

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There was a dozen or so of us and with a facilitator.
It was my early 30s. It was 1989 and the second word,
the second sentence out of his out of my mouth that I heard was
this one's fear is great. And I knew he was talking about
me and I had a watch talking about Willis moment and it
bifurcated my consciousness. I continued to talk.

(49:49):
I have no idea what I said, but when I came back the mouths were
gaping and there were several who had seen him too.
And then there was this sidebar.The first thing that he said to
me in it was your fears are the same as mine were.

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And now what was that right? Fulfilling your divine mission
of fulfilling that love based call.
Yes. And So what do we do?
You know, you have those kinds of things.
And to some, especially to Christians, I'm out might sound
blasphemous or incredulous. And I get that.
I've got that from them, right? It does not deny my experience

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nor the witnesses of it as truth, right?
So be that as it may, I, I'm notclaiming to be anybody special,
however I am especially in the way that I'm doing my best to
adhere to my individual weightedinformation source that's
providing the flow when I ask the questions of how to find it.

(51:01):
Now, do you find that that process is similar to kind of
what you're engaged with it in your query and call and
response, right? It's it's interesting for me.
So I've never had what you have expressed and explained as that

(51:21):
spiritual experience of that recognition, but I always get an
answer. So, so the answers always come
and it's always in the same direction, which is amazing to
me. And it's back to this idea of
we're all whole and and this idea of you're not.
I'll claim I'm not anybody special in that we are all

(51:44):
special. We are all special, all beings
are special, all of life is special and it's all divine and
it's all amazing. If you don't play your note, the
Symphony will not be complete. Your piece adds to the grand
magnificence. We use the tapestry metaphor.
It puts that it makes that tapestry whole, and so that if

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you're not playing your part, ifyou're not adding your thread,
then we all suffer for that and.Look at the world now and we get
that impression. Yes, the letter for these Our
bodies are instruments, they're transceivers.
We haven't had to tune them, letalone play in concert yet.
However, there's an opportunity for such because we're talking

(52:30):
about it more openly and I even hear the, in some situations,
the word love being brought backinto the workplace.
It was I was, I was with a localchurch here and and I proposed.
They never took me up on it, butwhat I wanted to do was have a

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class which was really get people together so that we could
explore this idea of love. What the heck does love mean?
And what I wanted to do was really dig into the different
aspects of love that people will.
You can outline the different aspects, different elements,
proponents or ways of looking atlove.

(53:12):
But ultimately what it gets downto again, I'll go back to my my
idea of separation. It's realizing that we're all
one and this idea of love God, love your neighbor as yourself,
God, what is God? Now here's your question.
So go back to my three world views.
If they're a theist, well, God'sout there somewhere.

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So love that, that external power who is all knowing, all,
all all powerful. The survivalist doesn't even
have a concept of that. But if you had this idea that
you are God, that you are part of that whole, just a little
slice of it, but you are one, then it gives you a very
different perspective of love God with all your heart, with

(53:55):
all your soul, with all your being that is loving yourself,
that is you, and love your neighbor.
It's just a redundant statement.The the interesting.
Now back to the you can't think your way through a system built
on vibration. You got to sense your way
through it. I love that.
I love that, yes. In this sense of that, you know,

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I'd mentioned the effervescent, iridescent, high pitched
sensation that I got in the light as a teenager when Jesus
spoke to him. And when he first appeared, it
was internally, I had my eyes closed, I saw light, I looked
up, there he is, there's a ray of light coming from his
forehead, one from his heart, and it connects about 18 inches

(54:40):
above me and bathes me in that effervescent, iridescent high
pitched sensation. So I recognized it's purity
right away. There's no question.
That same sense, to me, is what it feels like to have
unconditional love. Yes, yes, yes.

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Yes, which is a feeling. A feeling.
Yeah, it's a sense. It's a being it.
It's in that quiet space. Now let me speak in a quiet
space. It's not so quiet.
Do you, in your meditative timesor quiet times, hear a tone?
Oh, now that's an interesting question.

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So you so hear a tone, which is interesting because I've, I've
heard this before and I and I, every time I do that.
So coming out of the army, of course we had large explosions
and all that. And I was, when you leave the
army, you get evaluated for medical and all that.
And one of the things they, they, I think it's tinnitus.
Is that how you pronounce it? Ringing in the ears.

(55:47):
Yep, tinnitus. I get that occasionally, but
then I, I read through, I think it was a channel text that that
is often a signal of the frequency that's changing in
your body. So every time I get a ringing in
the ear these days and, and I don't see it as a distraction.
I I go back to that point of this is my part of my evolution

(56:11):
is I get this ringing in the earthat is really a signal to me
about the magnificence. And it connects those spirals
that they send you upward, right?
That is so cool. Now you know the Hindus have a
name for that. It's called the Shabda now,
according to them, this ancient stuff, right?

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It's the sound current, which isthe combination of all the
frequencies on the planet. It's very high pitched.
Now for some reason that tone isever present for me.
It goes up and down. It switches sometimes from ear

(56:54):
to ear, in pitch even. And so it's like, OK, there's
something's changed. I'm paying attention.
Unlike you. When you hear that, it triggers
that spiral into another elevated place you then begin to
perceive or interact with. Absolutely.

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Yes. What have you noticed?
Have there been times when therehave been significant, like
Massey calls it, but significantemotional events that have
transpired at or during that process for me?
It's interesting I mentioned I'man introvert and I connect.

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I'm pulling you out. I'm pulling you out.
You're being vulnerable, dude. I love it.
The I connect very well with animals.
So I have AI have a 98 LB goldendoodle that I do that I go on
routine walks and the other dogs.
And so that's my sort of meditation time.
It's out in the woods. We usually go somewhere where
it's not, not city street walking, it's out in the woods.

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And that's my meditation time, so to speak, is connecting with
nature, connecting with the animals.
And that's when I do my deepest thinking is when I'm in nature
and and out with my animals. And it's so it, it isn't
necessarily an, an emotional event, but here, here's what the

(58:22):
dynamic that I struggle with forme is that I see what's going on
in the world and sometimes I get, it's like I've taken to not
watch the nightly news anymore. So it's, you know, I used to do
that 30 years. Ago pretty good choice.
Yes. But if I get absorbed in
whatever the news cycle is or, or craziness that I perceive
that is going on in the media and in politics and in

(58:44):
economics, I can very quickly get this isn't right.
And then you get into this, oh, in a negative space.
Yeah. So I've got to come to terms
that's part of my growth journeyis to understand not to get
involved in all of that and thatthe bigger picture is greater
than that and all will be well. It's and and to know this that

(59:05):
you still need to be aware of it.
Yes, yes. Just not attached to it.
Exactly, exactly. And and I get this.
So this sort of this mantra now that that I'm trying to
inculcate in myself is open, allow, accept, rejoice, going to
be open to it. You got to allow it.
Whatever it is, it's that and you, you, I heard you say this.

(59:29):
I love the way you said it. I can't.
But that we have we, if we are open to this idea that there's
something greater within us or that is us that has an agenda
different than the one we have, which is very powerful thought
that OK, it's not that this external God is trying to pound

(59:50):
me into an agenda. It's this is me, right?
It has another ultimate objective that I have to just
allow to. Happen.
Sure. Urban Laszlo has written 75
books about that. Yes.
Urban's, you know, two time Nobel Peace Prize nominee, well
respected philosopher and world leader, thought leader,

(01:00:16):
considered to be the grandfatherof quantum systems thinking.
I muted him a couple years ago just after he turned 90.
Probably still sharp, right? And how amazingly so.
Yeah, Yeah. Yes, yes.
So in this, what's the what's the story?

(01:00:36):
Morning glory? How do we?
Part of. Something just fall out, right?
You know, part of for me, so, soI look back, OK, so I've been, I
left the Army 1415 years ago andI've been doing personal
professional development, but nothing has really taken up.

(01:00:57):
And I think, OK, so part of it, it's my growth journey.
Got it. Am I supposed to make an impact
like I had envisioned? So coming out of college, I was
going to light the world on fire, going to be a big
entrepreneur, big business, going to be, you know, one of
those, one of those exemplary people who's created something
from nothing that now serves millions of people in a positive

(01:01:22):
way. Went through the Army, made my
contribution, learned, learned agreat deal, but in the end, OK,
now I'm going to make another contribution, contribute.
But again, nothing ever took off.
And, and now I think, OK, is it?Now here's an interesting
question. Is it because the message, the
core message, the message I keepdelivering is, well, you can be

(01:01:43):
healthy through healthy habits. You can do leadership through
these types of of perspectives, but fundamentally the whole
thing is about this idea of separation and realizing what
the truth is. And my core message needs to be
there, not on health or wealth or relationships.

(01:02:07):
It really needs to be about the fundamental truth of the nature
of this existence, which is we are all one, all of us are one.
We are the same divine being in an individuated form, having
this magnificent experience. There's no right or wrong.
It is all experience. But, and I say that no right or
wrong, there are consequences toour actions we have to endure.

(01:02:30):
If we make decisions that impactnegatively on other people, we
have to endure those consequences.
So there is a better way from myperspective of making decisions
and in our approach to life. So I'm left with sort of this
double edged question. Maybe I'm never supposed to be
that Tony Robbins, Wayne Dyer, famous large audiences, big, big

(01:02:57):
impact. I'm supposed to just make the
best version of myself and in myown way be my own light to the
people that are near me and thatmay be the best I can do.
Well, I would based on what you've your questions and how
you've stated things, I would wonder having mentioned that you

(01:03:18):
have to follow your own advice, what might that be now, because
you're talking about the I side of things and what you can
deliver, where's the WE side? Yes.
So here's my here's my connection on that.

(01:03:39):
OK, which is which is, I mean it's almost like a therapy
session. You're putting me through here
the the idea. Of that's the nature of
generative conversations with me.
Take care, right? I'm here, present with you.
Let's go as deep and as wide andas loving as we can get.
Yes, yes. So one of the things I thought

(01:04:01):
to myself, all right, to, to make a contribution, maybe maybe
my courses, maybe my books, my courses, my programs are not
going to resonate. So maybe just get a job and just
influence people and whatever business I'm working for, for as
long as I can be the best example of somebody who's open,

(01:04:22):
allows, accepts and rejoices this magnificent journey.
But then I keep, keep, keep, however, going back to sort of
my passion, which is I can take complex ideas and simplify them
and present them in ways that I think are useful to people.
Now this is my perspective. It is not taken off, but I'm
working on my current course. I'm also working on another

(01:04:44):
book. Since wealth is so important to
people, I'm framing this as the money game.
It's this. So I've written them halfway
through it and I'm working on mythird section of a four section
book called the Money Game, which the idea is it's really we
have, we're all playing this money game and we all, most of
us think we're playing a making money game when in fact there is

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another game that overlays the making rules.
That is a taking rules. And the taking rules are the
ancient rules of competition andbeating the opponents into
submission. The people who think they're in
the making economy keep getting decimated by the taking economy.
And that is part of why we have economic stratification,
political polarization and the competition going on.

(01:05:30):
But that's on the practical level.
When you think about the spiritual level, it's because we
fundamentally don't understand that we're all the same.
We're all one well. As part of that seems to be, you
know, you've got the patriarchy,which is the command and
control, dominate right at any cost, matriarchy, which is the

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care, concern, vulnerability, loving, nurturing side.
And that's what's coming back through conscious men today.
Yes, yes, no, absolutely. You're absolutely right.
And we're seeing this resistanceI would say in this, the

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political sphere, the economic sphere amplified by media is
this resistance to that. And why is because we are not
willing to be vulnerable. We're not willing to open
ourselves up to this grander opportunity that that's being
presented to us. And that opportunity being, how

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do we take this bipolar society or this polarized society or
these agendas, the profit over people and planet and the planet
and people over profit still going to have profit, right?
Doesn't do away with it. How do we bridge those?
How do we make everybody happy? You know, it's like that old
adage, you can't make everybody happy.

(01:06:54):
Well, why not? That's right.
That's right. If we were all fed, clothed,
housed, taken care of, had all the the things, not that we're
welfare state, right, but that we were nurtured as human beings
by other human beings with respect for human beings, that

(01:07:16):
these things are then offered tonurture us, to grow into the
potential that would bring abouta thriving global economy
instead of one that's just kind of ratcheting.
Yes. Hierarchy has been our default
for 10,000 years. But to your .1 of the things we

(01:07:40):
need to understand, economics was built on two false
assumptions. 11 Assumption is that human beings are rational.
We're not rational. Impulse buying, that's all.
Yes, yes, this is we're emotionally driven, but there
are reasons for all that, but we're not rational.
We're not rational, We're not, we're not results maximizers.

(01:08:00):
The second assumption is scarcity.
Now this is the reason we I'm, I'm giving you a reason, but
there's more to it than that. But I'm on the on the
survivalist level. The reason that we have scarcity
is this idea of I got to competeto get mine.
So we had this perception that there is not enough.

(01:08:21):
There is more than enough. There is more.
In the United States, we throw away 30 to 40% of our food and
then we have all these food banks and things that say that
we just can't feed all our people.
That's not true. We can easily feed all our
people around the world. It is not a an abundance
problem. It is a distribution system.
Distribution problem, right? This is again, that back to that

(01:08:44):
holistic system, right? We've got wonderful things
already in place. They're just mismanaged.
So how do we learn to unify and get over ourselves, our bias,
our condemnation, our unwillingness to change and
recognize that, Oh, if I do thisthen I'll actually have a better

(01:09:11):
life? Wow, what a concept.
But I don't know if I can handlethat.
I'm so used to being downtroddenand beat up and reactionary.
I don't know what that other's going to feel like.
That scares me to death. Yes, yes.
So, so the first step we got to move from the Taker model to a

(01:09:33):
Maker model, but the only way, again, we're going to come back
to this trust and vulnerability,trust and vulnerability, all
will be well. The plan is bigger than us.
All we have to do is let the plan play out in a way that is
productive, constructive for allof us, rather than we're going
to fight it out. Right.
Well, and here it is the introduction, if I may take

(01:09:54):
pause for this brief commercial break.
Right. So one of my hats is operations
director for Live and Let Live, global peace Movement.
Now Let Live has two principles,a moral and a legal.
The moral we leave with that because it's easier is be an
excellent human, be your best self, right?

(01:10:15):
We can help with that. The legal side is don't aggress.
And so we seek to calibrate the law to remove aggression at all
levels, you know, and that goes pretty deep.
And that doesn't create a welfare state that creates the

(01:10:36):
opportunity for people to get back.
Yes, yes, one of the things and you mentioned and I, I talk
about this in my money game bookand this is the, the fundamental
idea and it is interesting in economics and where we've, we've
fallen with this and, and it's been deliberate to a degree, but
the fundamental idea is that allwealth is created by human

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action and ingenuity. All wealth is a function of
human action and ingenuity, however.
Like cash, it's a free issuance,right?
It's got the value we place on it.
That's right. It's all so everything else.
I mean, these are all just concepts, but we create wealth
by doing something constructive,bringing that value to a

(01:11:21):
marketplace. You have to recognize that it is
not about accumulating money, gaining ownership of primarily
land, gaining ownership of things so that I can make others
create things for me. That's back to our hierarchy.
But we've got to recognize thesefundamentals which always come
back to we're separate and in competition with one another.

(01:11:43):
We've got to get over that whichwe got is trust and
vulnerability. It's just awesome.
I, I, I really enjoyed this conversation and I know we're
coming up on times it, it's just, it's amazing.
And I really appreciate the depths and breadth of which you

(01:12:04):
are able to go to and, and sharefrom a very practical and
pragmatic perspective, right, Because that's where we need to
get all, all the configurations,theories, you know, desires,
they don't matter unless you cando that's the being part of it,

(01:12:24):
which is absolutely necessary. However, you can't be so
spiritually aloof that you're noearthly good, because then it
doesn't benefit anybody. That's a good way to say it,
yes. Now, how would you?
How? How have you?
How would you advise one who's in this transition because you

(01:12:49):
came from some very can be conceived of or perceived as
cold hearted decision making arenas?
Yes, which which again is very interesting that I that I've had
this path. Yeah.
Part of it goes back to this idea, One is recognizing there's

(01:13:13):
something else, and two, being open to it that that's to me a
lifelong story. But I, I can say and and I'll
just, and I know we're coming upat the end of time, but I look
at this is just one step. There's always a new cycle.
Yes, this. Lifetime instead of linear
thinking. It really is cyclical thinking
and we did kind of do the same thing with our lives.

(01:13:34):
This is just not a 11. It's nothing linear.
Yes, that's right. So it's not a one and done
opportunity. It is a enduring, enduring
opportunity, if you will, that go it goes on forever.
So for me it comes back to this idea of am I going to am, am I

(01:13:56):
life and death? So I say, OK, my vision is we're
whole. And when I transition from this
life, when I leave this body, it's going to be another step on
this adventure. But if you talk to your
survivalist about that, well, death is the end.
Death, that's the end. If you talk to a theist about
that, well, that's judgement day.

(01:14:18):
Maybe good things, maybe bad things.
No, it's, it's going to be a binary one way or the other.
Binary means for me, it's eithergoing to be nothing, which I
won't be aware of, or it's goingto be something which I'm
convinced it is. And it's going to be grand no
matter what it is. There you go.
Yeah. So for for me, it's continuing

(01:14:38):
to be open to this idea. There's something, well, I don't
know all the answers, I don't have all the answers, but the
answers are there. So just open yourself to it.
Then play the note that you're being asked to play.
It's very simple. Make your contribution.
You're here for a reason. Your reason is to contribute the
knowledge, skills, abilities, talents, love that you can

(01:14:59):
emanate that frequency that you are already expressing.
Light your light and let it light other people's way.
That's the truth of this existence.
Live it, enjoy it. It's magnificent if you'll
embrace it. Perfect.
What a way to close. You got the sale on that one, my

(01:15:24):
brother. It's got so much gratitude for
your presence here. The conversation we've had, it's
been really fun for me. And explore it beyond what we
may have anticipated. I loved it.
Thank you so much, and I know our audience will have great
benefit from it too. I hope so.

(01:15:45):
I've it's been a real pleasure, Zen, to be with you and to
explore these topics with you. Awesome.
Namaste. And in LA catch.
Thanks for sticking with us for this episode of One World in the
New World. I'm Zen Benefiel, your host.
Thanks to Scott, and have a great day.
We'll see you next time.

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