Ep 188 - Unity In Diversity Saves Our Planet From Chaos - One World in a New World - Apocalyptic Chats

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Namaste and in La Queche and welcome to this episode of One
World in a New World. I'm your host, Zen Benefiel, and
this week's guest is Florence Slob.
He is an organizational bricolor, an author, and he's
travelled through many countriesin roles that have helped
organizations grow and prosper. He's also a member of the

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Octopus movement, which is wherewe met.
We're going to have an awesome conversation and a deep dive.
Stick with us, we'll be right back.
Explore the thoughtless sphere. Embark on a life changing
journey of self discovery. Embrace harmony with self, with
others, with Earth. One world in a new world.
Zen Benefield skillfully ignitesconversations, guiding guests to

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reveal personal journeys and perspectives.
Listeners are inspired to seek knowledge and find wisdom in
their own lives. Join this transformative journey
as we navigate the depth of human experience.
Flores, it's so great to have you here.
We've been associated with the octopus movement for quite some

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time and had some exchanges through it, and I've been really
looking forward to this conversation.
Thanks so much for joining us. Yeah.
Thank you for having me. I'm looking forward to it as
well. I mean your how do you say it's
your reputation procedure? Well, thank you so much.
So, you know, in our conversations that for one world

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in the New World, we like to look at this near disparity
between the inner and outer worlds that we are bereft of
being able to create bridges for, you know, we don't talk
about what's going on inside of it.
So we're bereft of those conversations because they make
it seem weird or crazy insane, you know, because when you're,

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when you're so connected to thatinner world and you talk about
it to others who aren't it, theyjust can't relate because
there's no direct experience to it.
So what I'm hoping to do throughthese conversations is to
provide more of a playground forpeople to explore, listen, ask
questions of themselves and and dive deeper into their own lives

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to find safety and security, right.
So in that when I, I know with your background, you've been in
multiple countries, you're, you're kind of an operational
bricolor, if you will, or operations bricolor and how you
help others grow into their ability to perform.

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So that had to have started longtime ago.
We've had some brief discussionsabout your interconnectivity,
but when, when did that start? What did you what do you
remember of your first experience of recognizing
there's more than just the physical world in your
experience? There is more than the physical

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world. I think I was.
I think I'm a very particular case.
I'm really a hard case as well, to be honest, because despite
the experience that I had at a very young age that, that we
shared briefly, I mean, for the people that, that, that are

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watching I, I was drowning at nearly two years of age.
I was reanimated at four years of age.
I was in a coma for a couple of days after I was driven over by
a motorcycle. So my brains were literally on
the street and everybody was fearing for my capacity to

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actually live life to the fullest.
And when I was 6, I mean, I wentthrough a kitchen window fully
with my body where I only had one piece of glass in my body,
which stopped right at my main artery.
So at least I knew from a very young age I was not allowed to

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die. I had to live.
And that is? Dangerously too.
That is, that is something that I do remember and the accident
when I while I was growing older, the accident became less
important with some few exceptions at a much later age
around my 30th. But but the first time I think

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that apart from these miracles, basically I but I was too young
to fully grasp the miracle here that I survived each time I
guess. Strong spirit.
The first time that I was truly experiencing something that I
could not explain. I think I must have been in my

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later 20s, quite late. I, I, I, I realized that.
But it was really a strong wake up call.
It was a very strong. Is that Mike?
What were the the events around it?
The event was I was living in the Netherlands, in the town
next to a good friend of mine that became a good friend of

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mine. It was at that time a neighbor
and we were having food exchangeand and meals exchange during
the week because we were both still students.
I was in the thesis phase of my second studies and I was often
home. And yeah, he decided to invite

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the woman that saved him from a fugitive camp in the Netherlands
because he was from Bosnia to Covina and to and to, to meet
that person because it was a very important person in his
life. And this woman brought that

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night tarot cards, believe it ornot, that she brought tarot
cards. And she said, hey, I'm pulling
tarot cards already for 25 years.
Shall we do a game of tarot cards?
And everybody said yes in the room except for me.
He said no, I don't play that shit, you know, forget about it,

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No. That's not for me, right?
That's, you know, I will watch you, but I'm not going to do
anything. So she started to play with the
others to with my friends, with my partner at the time and I was
watching and then when they weredone and then she said, Are you
sure that you don't want to do again?
And everybody was pushing me andsaid off OK, and OK, I will, I

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will just participate. Just coming in with those cards.
Well, you just have to take 3 cards, you know, and, and let's
see what happens. So I, I, I draw 33 cards and one
of the cards was the emperor. And the moment I turn that card
around and she saw it was the emperor, she was asking me the

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question. And while asking me the
question, something really, really, really weird was
happening. So she was going to ask me, has
there been or was there anybody very, very important in your
life? And so I was just telling me.
I was writing my thesis on my second studies and the person

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that always pushed me forward inthe past as a as a as a child
and as a teenager was my grandfather.
He said, as you know, one day you will have done so many
studies, you're going to be brilliant and blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah. So she was saying, and then when
I told her, I said, yeah, I think you'll be my grandfather.

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And then she says he is here right now.
And then I said, sorry, yeah, heis here right now.
And when she repeated it, I, I just remember the eyes of the
woman. I just remember my own eyes.
I just remembered this this deepcontact that I was having with

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her. She said, wait, he is spelling
his name. So she you would say, OK, she
could have read my family name when entering the door and she
would just spell that. But it was the father of my mom,
so it was on the mother's side. And we in the Netherlands, we
don't carry that name at all. It was the first time I met her.

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And when you hear the name, it is definitely not a name that
you just, you know, you just speak and you speak that out.
So, so she was spelling it. So ACQUOY and I said what?

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That's my grandfather. That's his name.
Did you know that? Yes.
Where have you been? What records have you been
looking at? Did you research me?
I'm. Still answering me right?
And she was sharing stories about him and me.
He said, yeah, he remembers you so well.

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He's so proud of you. And he remembers you were so
little that he was he was showing you the the outcome, the
results of the Tour de France, the the cycling in the
newspaper. You were always watching sports
together when you visit him, when you brought the daily
newspaper, because he remembers that he was always I'll.
So somebody had to break the newspaper for him.

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And that was you. So she.
Really provided a lot of detail for you.
And I was really, and suddenly, you know, it looked like, OK,
somebody turn on the switch again.
And I was really like, what justhappened?
What just happened here? And you know what I did as a, as

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a, as a real disbeliever believer, the next day I bought
tarot cards. And the next day I was playing
turret cards all day instead of just to see is it gonna happen
again? What's happening?
Sure, sure. Really the cards cuz when I went
through my kerfuffle as a teenager and the year before I

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was institutionalized, I had sawa psychiatrist and it was
amazing, you know, he said afterthe third visit, he said, you're
not crazy. You've had a spiritual
awakening. You've got all the signs.
My advice would be to keep your mouth shut because nobody's
going to understand you. I was 18 at the time, right?
Pre Med program at college. And then he says, you know, I
want to show you something. Come here.

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And he had his office in A2 story home in downtown Anderson
IN here in the States. And at the top of the stairs
there was a door. He opened it up and my heart
just exploded. And I was like, wow, that's
weird. And the whole room was filled
with metaphysical stuff, things hanging from the ceiling,

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bookshelves. And right inside the door was a
card table with two chairs and adeck of throat cards on them.
And I'm looking at those and looking at him like, man, this
is really weird because you're not supposed to have this stuff.
You're like, you know, westernized, this is different
because about tarot cards, right?

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And he says, you know what thoseare?
And I said, yeah, they're they're tarot cards.
He says, well, do you know what to use for?
I said, yeah, you ask questions and and they help you find
answers. So he said, have you ever had
your cards read? And I said, no.
He said, would you like to? I said, absolutely right.
I'm not going to pass that opportunity up.
So kind of same thing, only it was a bit more expansive.

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And he brought out stuff that I knew and that he didn't.
And he was really kind of perplexed by it all, as was I.
And he said again, I wouldn't talk to anybody about this stuff
because they're not going to understand you.
Well, what I learned later, muchlater, was that it's quantum
physics, right? It's the energy that is

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available when you allow yourself, you have the intention
of being interconnected. You, you're there to serve the
other. You want to help them.
So you become this open conduit.And depending on the level of
your practice in developing the gift determines how much you're

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able to share and how deeply you're able to tune into another
and share. Because consciousness doesn't
dissipate, right? It's always there.
It changes form, right? We, we, your answer book calls
it re personalization. When there's a return of that
consciousness into a physical form, we call it reincarnation

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as well. But those kinds of things, it's
an amazing science when you understand it at that level.
We haven't been able to until recently because we haven't had
the ability to dive into the quantum world like we have
recently in that, you know, it opens up a lot of opportunities

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and reduces the fear, right? And of the unknown of these
weird things that happen when you recognize that there's going
to be a place in you. Let me ask you this was there a
place in you in that moment thatfelt connected from a very pure

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place? Yeah, I mean, I was absolutely
connected in that moment and I was, I was emotional because my
grandfather, he died already then.
I mean, he was, he was gone already for for a number of
years. And he was my best pal.

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And we had some unfinished business, at least in in my
mind, before he died. I never went to see him because
he was very ill and he had lost 20 kilos or SO20K.
He's 4040 lbs. And my Mama, I shared at that
time with us, we were still children and said, Hey, would

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you like to see your, your grandfather for the last time?
And I remember I was playing video games.
I was 1314 years old or so. And I was, I was going for a new
record in, in video games. And I said, do we really have to
come? Do we, do we need to go?
Because just, and then she gave me the excuse not to come.

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And I regretted it for not for all my life, but I regretted it
up till the moment that I realized at some stage in my
life that he was still around me.
That we have been talking together and that I, I have, you
know, he saw I was beating myself up for it and I was

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creating a cancer in the lungs that he died on basically to go
a couple of levels deeper right away.
And, and so he wanted to reversethat.
And so he needed a conduct also to speak with me.
And so that that that happened much later in life.

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But, but that was, that was thatmoment.
So I was very emotional when that first time happened.
I was crying and yeah, I mean, my heart was really, really
heavy. My, it was really my heart and
my heart was really, really, really heavy.
It was with so many mixed emotions, you know, and at that
time, I did not have the, the reflex to talk about that moment

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because I felt so ashamed as an adult, because there was older
people sitting there, even my partner.
I could not confess, you know, Isimply couldn't.
Yeah. And the words probably, you
know, it's ineffable in that place, especially in the moment

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of experience, because it's so expansive.
How do you put that into words? How do?
You. Explain to another all of those
intricate, intricately woven thoughts that all of a sudden
just explode inside of you as this process is happening.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's impossible.

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So not impossible. It takes years to of catharsis,
right, to be able to go back andrevisit and talk about what
happened in the in those times. Now after that, how did you
carry that forward? Well, I, I think as, as I said

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in the in the beginning, I was, I was really like, OK, let me,
let me learn tarot cards. This is amazing.
This is fascinating. But since nothing happened that
that curiosity died for the tarot cards, but some things.
But you were looking to the cards instead of yourself.

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Yes, exactly. You're placing the the energy,
the power the into the cards rather than in yourself.
When you have those two beings together, who was it that said
where two or more were gathered there?
Am I also right that I am presence?
Is that access to infinite intelligence that filters
through however it needs to in the moment?

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No, I was, I was not right away there by saying, OK, I can, I
can change whatever I like to believe, whatever I like to see.
I was not there at all yet I wasreally I was, I was pretty much
the very, very different type ofperson.
But I do remember that somethinghad changed inside there.
There was a seed planted and andthat seed helped me when I like

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3-4 years later started to travel around the world.
So when I when I lived in South Africa, when I lived in Mexico,
I mean, all these vibrant placeswith their own type of mysticy
spirituality, magic, maybe even,I mean, they, I was really much

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more fascinated. Now, you know, in the past I
would have said, oh, there's the, the town medicine man, why
don't you go have a chat with him?
And then in the past I would have said, no, no, I forget
about. I don't, I don't need to see
anybody like that. But now I was like, Oh yeah, why
not? Let's let's just go into.
Hey, you're curious, right? So, so it really, it really

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aroused a lot of curiosity. It was the seed that was planted
then that that that I must have grown inside.
And I really was I was not actively looking for it, but
because I was in those differentcountries where things are more
open and more common with with especially with native people.

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Yeah, it would. You just want more easily with.
With your intention, OK, in those times, during those times
were you kind of intrinsically, not necessarily consciously
thinking about it a lot, but your core intention was to be

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curious to find out to enter those worlds that are a bit
more, let's say metaphysical than others right there because
that for me. I, I had that experience.
It's like the when things like that happens, like how'd that
happen? What's going on?

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I, I want to explore more, you know, and what you're seeking is
also seeking you. We find out right experiences
take place when you moved into your more professional realms.
How did that affect you in, in that curiosity and connecting

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with others and being your own conduit?
Because it it, from our conversation and from looking at
your history and, and you know, all these different places
you've gone to and the organizations you've helped,
there's got to have been something inside of you that was
part of that, that you carried forward.
What was that like? How did that?

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How did you first notice that? Well, first I noticed it's from
from a more, yeah, low energy perspective that that happened
in Mexico while I was, I had my girlfriend with me at a time

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while working for a for a big multinational company.
We lived one year in Mexico Citymeet together with the rest of
the team of consultants and I was the project manager and I
was still very young. I mean, the consultants I had to
manage, they were probably they,they were much more experienced

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than me, but somehow I had a better papers to, to organize
people and structure people together and, and get the
results. So I I had an.
Art in itself. And and which is which is not an
easy task because those people, they know what they are talking
about. So in order to have some valid
conversation, so they start to believe in US as they allow

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them, they they allow you to manage them.
That you know that that's a period of trust building.
Yeah, trust building unwritten, unwritten probation period for
the project manager because on paper I was it, but I shouldn't
use my authority to. You still had the task, you had
the past the filters of others, yeah.

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But but how? However those people, they were
all single. They were all coming alone and
somehow at some stage I met a village Dr. call it a village
Dr. in Mexico on one of our weekend trips.
And he was warning me for for mycolleagues that there was a lot

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of jealousy around me and that was draining me and that I
needed to protect myself and that all this kind of things.
And then I said, oh, shit, I'm going like 400 kilometers away
from where I'm living. There's this medicine doctor.
He's telling me all of this. OK.
I was more more like, OK, let's see if that's real or not.

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But I took I took his medicine with me.
I mean, it's just costed a couple of pesos to actually
clean cleans my, my home each time, he said.
Each time, you know, that if people being inside your home
just cleans it and make sure it's always around the, you
know, the door area, the, the main entrance, that's always

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protected, He said. It's just, it's just better for
you because people they are jealous.
And I said, OK, I said, well, thank you.
I mean, and I didn't do so much with it, but.
Do you find if I pause you for asecond and go into the jealousy
side of it, do you find that that's a pretty common

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experience when you're in a leadership role and that that is
something that you have to gently expose and prove that
there's no need for it? And in so doing, what's the
methodology for that, right? Because I know you've had to

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address this on multiple places.Yeah, but, but I guess this was
my first time ever. I was a project manager, so I
didn't really know what to do. I was not prepared for it.
I didn't have indication for it.It was just they literally
looked at our CVS. Who's going to be the project
manager? He, it was anonymous.
He So that was it, but I didn't have time to prepare.

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I didn't get any internal training whatsoever.
They just sent me. Our own right in.
And just just do it, you know, do it.
Make sure that we're not getting.
Enough. The best way you just throw, you
know, you get thrown into a situation and you just have to
learn to ask the right questionsto navigate through it.
I I still believe this experience was one of my best

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project management experiences ever.
But the the jealousy, I never felt it really on the level of
profession. I felt it more at the level of
life. Life with life with my partner,

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life with, with, with, with other things, not so much on a
level of of that. And I also believe in my future
roles as project manager with the consultants.
Even I had to agree with the consultants that the project
manager could rarely succeed, could rarely have success, true

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success because it's always a team effort.
But when it goes wrong, it is a project manager.
So it was, it was not really something that I loved to do,
but somehow I, you know it, it happened to me and I didn't have
the balls to say no, no, I don'twant to be a project manager.

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I said OK, yes, sure I will. I will do it if nobody else
wants to do it. It was more like this because I
only have been doing projects all my life.
It was always a project structure sometimes, OK, hey,
you have the metrics organization that you have, have
a project inside a big company where you have, where you have
the hierarchy of the, of the, ofthe organization.

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And on top of that, you have theproject structure.
So you, you have to deal with, you are the, the, the boss of
the project, but still the people in your project team,
they could still have different managers and they have something
to say about it too. So that makes it, that makes it
only more complex. But I don't believe that in this
type of roles people would be jealous at me, to be honest.

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It was. It was just that first time
when, when, when, when I was curious and when when I start to
see things or starting to experience things for a better
way. That was there.
And it was based on negativity. But the other thing that happens
and that was really weird. That is the weirdest thing.

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And you know, it's so funny thatwe talked today.
This is, this is a Dutch book. I don't know if you can, if I
don't know if you can. So, so it's it, it has a Dutch
title Flow and the Art of Doing Business.
This is a book that I bought just before I left the city

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where I had this first experience with the tarot cards.
Then I lived 1 1/2 years somewhere else before I went to
Africa and then to Mexico. And the only book that I packed
in my luggage was this book. So, so when you look at it, when
you look at it, it's, it's aboutthe state of flow and you have

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two, two trainers and they're the best salespeople at a moment
in the, in the Netherlands. And that was it.
I never read anything more than the backside of the book.
And then in Mexico, I started toread it.
What was the consent? Quantum physics.
Everything was about quantum physics, you know, there was

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nothing normal. There was nothing normal.
But I learned something. But I learned something very
important in that book. For me, at that moment, I didn't
understand half of it yet, although it was in my own
language. But what I did learn was the
only thing that truly sells is being your authentic cube.

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Yes, absolutely, absolutely. Mihaili chicks out.
Mihaili kind of started that flow ball rolling if you will.
And you may be familiar with hisSeminole book Flo, the
Psychology of Optimal Experience, right?
And this is where, you know, maybe you ought to come up with
maybe your nickname ought to be Flo, because that's what you're

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all about. That's what you're seeking.
And being able to create that not only for you, but in the
groups, the the work groups is that's imperative.
And eventually when you as a servant leader, which is what I
think it is really what's comingwith another new label for

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managerial styles or leadership styles, right.
It's like interpersonal skills in the 80s became emotional
intelligence in the late 90s andearly 2000s and is still now
finally today being really talked about.
And because it's necessary in a leadership role, you've, you're

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there to serve the team, not theteam serve you.
And that's. The.
Clip of the old management style.
It's no longer a command and control, it's a collaboration.
How did you find that evolution?Because I know starting earlier
you would have experienced the old, you know, the command and
control kind of environments that.

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Would. Be how do you how do you notice
the transition from where you were then to what's happening
now? Because now you're being drawn
on the world stage, if you will,to present this energy of being
or energy of business to groups to open them up to this quantum

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realization and, and how it actually works.
Yeah, So what? What would you like to know?
How do you notice the the shift and if you could describe kind
of the phases that you noticed as you have been moving through
and evolving in your own leadership?

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Well, I, I really think that that that part has, has always
been present in my life. For starters, because I never
believed in school. I never believed in anything
what people told me, what I had to do.
I never believed in work either,not the way how it was presented

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to me. And I know I, I realized now why
hence the reason why both of youprobably met in the octopus
movement, because they are trying to, to make that into a,
a different type of, of service than than education and, and,
and work at the moment looks like we're trying, we're trying

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to help the world with our more non linear thinking.
And and I'm pretty sure that as a collective we will succeed in
in big parts of that because we are every year we are a positive
virus spreading the world. Very true.
And we're proving that nonlinearity is impeccably pure,

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right it? And it's factual when you just
consider the very low level of activity on the physical world.
You and I are on a planet that'sspinning.
We're moving through a solar system that's spinning in a
Galaxy that's spinning. Well, OK, so let's back that

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down to a bit to the micro level.
That's the macro level. Let's break it down to the micro
level. The natural formation of things
is non linear. Yeah.
Mostly spirals. We see the Fibonacci sequence in
nature now, right? That that's being called.
It's like it's everywhere. You see it in you.

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You see it in my logo too. Yeah.
And you know, in science and spirituality, therefore are now
bridging because it makes sense.You know, this understanding
from the Vedas that we had from 15,000 years ago, the poems that

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were presented that basically ina nutshell, if I may paraphrase
appropriately, were divine threads Incarnate, connected
this source capable of God consciousness.
Now what's that really mean? Right?
When you hear that, what what doyou think?

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Well, we know we're consciousness in a body.
We know we come and go because we have this obvious cycles of
birth and and deaths. We're connected to source so
that individualized, you know, it's like with our experiences
that we both have had, we're individuated, yet we feel like

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we're in this unity field, right?
We're part of something greater than we are, yet we have an
individual functionality in that, which means that if we're
connected to source, the God consciousness side of it would
be infinite intelligence available for our specific needs

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as an individual. And paying attention to that
then opens up to the rest because you're looking at it
from a collaborative place rather than a competitive place.
Now, how do you see? How would you reflect it and

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maybe even interpret what I justsaid in your own way?
I mean, I was still going to answer the other question, but
continue now. You got a segue.
Between two that you can go from1:00 to the other, right?
It's not linearity, right? Let's do that.
Yeah, no, but but but how how everything got triggered by by

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by me was simply the fact I think what I just said about
this lesson from this book that that you you can be the best
possible person, but not necessarily salesperson or
whatever it is that you want by being truly yourself.
So I had AI had a question how to become.

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How do I know when I'm my true self?
How do I know when I'm authentic?
Because that's that's a big issue in this world at the
moment. And it took me a lot of work at
some stage in my life. And every day at the moment
still it's it's fully integratedin my daily activities, how to
remain a good person and trying to be as good as I possibly can

(35:55):
every. Day it sounds full of self
examination. Yes, it is self a full
examination because I met from Iwas a child a young child when I
looked at my parents and especially my mom.
Sorry mom, I mean you cannot follow this because you don't
speak English anyway. But I mean my, my mom was

(36:15):
always. He gave her an.
Hour my my mom was always makinglittle lies about this, about
that, and I started to question her when I was eight or nine or
seven. Mom, why are you always lying?
Because I'm not lying. Yeah, but why are you?
Why are you saying this? But it's not like that.
But I'm not lying. And I have the feeling that this
this comes from this period of near, near death as well.

(36:39):
I can. I have the feeling I can see
right through most of the people, if I would pay attention
to that without, they don't needto speak to me.
I can simply see them and everything.
What happens afterwards is a confirmation of the feeling that
I got and it's it's. It's recreated into words, into
vocabulary that I then can express.

(37:00):
It's a. It's a feeling, right?
The, the, the indigenous tribes talk about the three brain
system, the gut, the heart and the head.
There's more the science has proven there's more neurosensors
in the gut and they're on the brain now.
So how do we connect with thingsthrough vibration?
Where that where is that at solar plexus, right?
This once you feel things like you were just talking about, you

(37:22):
get that initial feeling sense of where you're at.
And then your second brain, yourheart says, OK, is this
desirable? Undesirable.
What do we do with it? Not necessarily.
What do I do with it? You just determine whether it
resonates and to what degree. And then your supercomputer

(37:42):
sitting on top of your shoulderscan go, oh, here's what we're
going to do with that, right? Rather than come from a fear
place in our thinking and project what we believe down
into our body and then wonder why we're diseased.
Yeah. So, so it's in Commons and this
is how it started. And then throughout later on my

(38:05):
working life, being a consultant, especially when I
was a consultant, you know, I have been SAP consultant for a
number of years and I worked forcompanies, especially in the
beginning, nobody really had a lot of experience with that
system called SAP. So we were trained to say that

(38:25):
we knew everything. We were always trained to say,
yeah, yeah, yeah, I know how to do that.
Yeah, yeah, I know to do that. And then the next step that you
did, if you didn't know anything, you would call one of
your colleagues or you would start looking not on the
Internet because Internet was not so up and running yet.
Just it started back then. So, so you had no clue but to

(38:47):
rely on your contacts to actually help sorting out the
issues. If you had an issue or an or a
question to answer for your client.
But everybody was always eager not to speak the truth, not to
say, yeah, sure, I will try to answer the question.
At the moment, I don't know the answer, but I will.
I will check with my colleagues.You were not allowed to say

(39:10):
those things. And I always try to be as honest
as I possibly could until I start to realize.
But I don't want to do this. This is just a stupid game
either. Why can't we not be adults and
simply saying that we don't knowbut we can figure it out and,
and, and that's the end of it or.
But we can't admit that we don'thave the answers.

(39:32):
We're supposed to have the answers, right?
Well, you. Know but this was this was
really it this was really reallyreally what was bothering me and
this did this then in this entire project situation because
of course it has to go from bad to worse before you're able to
really start doing something about it and so in this project

(39:55):
situation there's always time but yet.
And, and quality, these are the three things that are making up
a project successful or, or goodor bad or, or whatever it is.
So if one of the things, one of the things budget is under
pressure, it means quality is under pressure.

(40:15):
It means timeline is under pressure.
If the timeline is under pressure, it means budget is
under pressure. It means it's, it's, it's, it's,
it's this these three that are producing always this huge
tension. And that is then an extra, an
extra environment where people start to play politics, where

(40:38):
people start to, to, to do all kinds of things that one should
not do. Then consultants become the
external party and clients become the very demanding party.
They want the quality. Certainly relate to that the for
years and spent a couple of decades as a partnering
facilitator for building road and bridge construction projects

(41:02):
two to five year long. And so the big thing on those
time budget safety and issue resolution.
So these partnering sessions were mainly focused on looking
at where the contractors and Subs, and this could be 20
people, could be 80 people in a room to the size of the project,

(41:25):
right? And so you're looking for where
they see problems in the specs and being able to fulfill that
and having issue resolution plans in place so that when that
particular issue shows up in that contiguous schedule,

(41:45):
they've got a solution for it. So there's no work stoppage and
in those industries, as you know, you know, hour of work
stoppage could be 10 grand, could be 100 grand depending on
you know. So you don't want to have that
same thing it with the longer projects you've got a little
better. I think maybe you have a little

(42:07):
better opportunity to look at these without so much emotional
turmoil as opposed to the short term projects that where you've
got the deadlines and commitments that are much, much
more of a short range. So you feel more imposed upon to
get it right. Yeah, no, that's, that's

(42:29):
correct. And, and, and you know, and then
at some stage I was very grateful that my journey went
all the way to New Zealand whereI had the best and worst
experiences in in my work. But then I also, but then I also
realized that when I came back As for the first time being just

(42:52):
a one man show, a person, an independent contractor, becoming
part of a team for my specialismthere, I realized a lot of
things have changed and people knew me, started to know me in
New Zealand. And I felt that for the biggest
part I could be me, for the biggest part, I could think.

(43:15):
I, I was a guy who liked singing.
I cannot really sing or so. But there was always, there was
always moments where I started. You know, you're, you're working
in a project team and you start to sing.
Why? I like to express myself even if
I concentrate. Isn't that really cool?
Right. So I want.
To focus on that because I do ittoo, right?
I, I sing, I listen, I I don't even as I'm doing it, it just

(43:38):
happens. Yeah, exactly.
It's just happened. That you feel in process because
you know, you're like you're raising a good vibe you're
you're. Engaged with it so so there in
in that country on several projects I work with a group of
people. They fully accepted that they

(43:58):
they they made like Wednesday Rock singing day, you know, I
mean, that's awesome. I mean it, it was just how it
was is. It a way to incorporate
celebration, right? You're celebrating as you're
engaging that it gives you a wayto include.

(44:18):
But but for me, the big thing was that I realized when I'm not
under command from anybody, whenI'm not part of a company where
I don't need to do what other people say, but I can be me, I
do better than being part of that whole as a company.
And I'll because I don't need tolie.

(44:41):
I'm, I'm me. I'm I'm having my
responsibilities. I was independent.
So if somebody came to me and said, Hey, can you, can you fix
this for me? So well, I don't know what it
is, Let me have a look and I will come back to you.
And I was yeah, sure, OK. You have also more experience so
you start to know how it works. But I would never, ever lie to a

(45:02):
client if I could not do something that I thought I could
not do. I would never say, yeah, sure, I
will do it. No, I would say sorry, I can't.
Would you say that's the difference between being
independent, perhaps interdependent rather than
codependent? Because it's usually in that

(45:23):
codependent framework that we feel like we have to tell the
other what they want to hear, which is usually not the truth.
Exactly. Exactly.
How do you evolve that those kinds of situations?
Because I know within work groups and organizations that
there may be a few that recognize that, right?

(45:47):
The majority are still in that lower energy place where they're
feeling competitive or job security is a factor.
How do you see that evolving andand how are you massaging that
evolution within organizations? So that so that is that is the

(46:09):
big jump. So we leave New Zealand behind.
I was in New Zealand for for sharing a little bit what what
happened there with me, because that was the big revolution
basically of me that there therewas the basis for all the
changes that are happening now and that I'm that I'm provoking

(46:32):
now inside organizations and individuals.
So so if I can just elaborate just very briefly about New
Zealand's still before I answer that question that that would be
good. So in New Zealand and I.
Know the facts right that you our information doesn't work
because it leads to much for assumption, right?

(46:53):
And in in in New Zealand, I got really stuck in my work.
But I met this great guy, a Maori native man.
And the first time I spoke with him, he shared with me.
It was in a bar he shared with me that he had been waiting for
me. He had had a vision a couple of

(47:15):
years before he met me. And for two times he already
thought that he met me, but it was the wrong person, he said.
But now all the signs are there.He believed obviously very much
in that he said I need to be with you and we need to spend
time together because I have to show you stuff.

(47:37):
And it took a couple of weeks before before he made me, before
he informed me what I then was. He just literally said, if you
agree and he said I am going to teach you everything I know
about my world. I said, and which world is that?
And then he smiled. He said, which world do you

(48:00):
think it is? And he said, he said, don't be
so don't be so like, like not knowing.
He said the fact that I have a vision means that somebody has
asked something, right? And I had no clue what he was
talking about. You know, I was still very, very

(48:21):
green at that time. You're talking 2004, right?
And. Not realizing you put the the
request in the queue sometime. No, no, no, Exactly.
Exactly so. And then I went for two years in
a roller coaster. I mean, I'm not going to go into
too much detail, but the guy reconnected me with myself

(48:42):
through nature. He, he learned me the most
obvious thing that most of humanbeings have forgotten that we
are nature and, and, and we are not.
We are not. I mean, yes, we are, we are part
of it basically what what peoplesay we are, but we are human

(49:02):
nature. Human nature is different than
nature. And then today I can clearly say
human beings are an expression of nature.
Absolutely, this is what we are and nothing else.
And on top of that we are constructed our building blocks,
our little quarks and electrons and neutrons and protons and and

(49:23):
and atoms and molecules. And so we are pure energy.
And so this guy took me for two years on a journey to to
reconnect me fully with nature in the most basic way and a more
elevated ways. He brought me completely into
the invisible world of of energy.

(49:45):
How we basically taught me how you can hit somebody physically
in the face, but it's going to hurt you.
Yeah, I said. Because this is what people need
to understand. Another you.
This is my opening phrases. Namaste in La Quech.
In La Quech is a Mayan. It's a short.
Exactly. From and it simply means I'm

(50:08):
another you. So why would I want to hurt you?
Why would I? Want to hurt me, right Yeah.
So all those things I learned byexperience and I'm not sure if
we have time just to share one tiny little experience, which
was still one of my most practical eye openers.
Because in that time in well before I came to New Zealand and

(50:32):
also in the time I wasn't the beginning in New Zealand working
for this big employer, I, I still had a lot of headaches
coming up. And they, they came and they,
and they went. It was not all day like a
nagging pain, but you know, I suddenly I got a headache and
and and then I felt. Like working in a corporate
environment in a huge, you know,arena and then simultaneously

(50:57):
you're having this totally different experience, almost the
opposite of the environment thatyou're in and, and bridging
those two that hadn't have been fascinating.
So please, I I'm so curious. So, so so then then my friends.

(51:19):
He. He called me at some stage.
I only met him two months. I only knew him for two months.
And he called me one time in themorning.
I was at work. He was, I think, waking up
somewhere. And he said, what's happening,
bro? I said, what do you mean?
I said, are you OK? I said, well, I'm at work.

(51:42):
You know what I think about work.
I mean, you know, well, it's, itis what it is.
I said, yeah, but are you in pain or so?
And I said, well, now that you mention it, I'm having a
headache. I said, and then he said, I
they're like, yes, I, I, I know,you know, and I said, I said,

(52:03):
but is that why you're calling? I, I said, oh really?
You're, you're calling because of that?
I said, yes, it's time for a next lesson, bro.
I said, do you have a couple of minutes?
I said yes, sure. I said, you know, we started to
talk about energy and how thingsare working and how everything
is interconnected and how we areall the same.

(52:26):
I said today I will prove it to you, he said.
I said, oh really? I said, so I shouldn't go and
get a paracetamol right now. I said no, no, no, wait for a
second, wait, wait for a second.So, so let's first start with
the with the easy stuff. He said, first of all, you have
a headache, right? Yes, I know.

(52:46):
It's it's it's a headache. It's my headache.
It's in my head. It hurts.
Said what if I told you that this headache is not yours?
I said, what the fuck? What do you mean?
It is my headache. I feel it.
It hurts. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I understand that you have pain and that's a headache.
What I'm trying to say is that this headache is not really

(53:11):
produced by you as a person. Somebody has given it to you,
most likely not consciously, most likely not purposefully,
but this person has given it to you.
But, but what are you talking about, bro?
I, I said, well, just, you know,people that you know very well,

(53:34):
like your parents, your brother,your sister, very good
colleagues, good friends, you know, you, you create strong
energetic relationships with them and they could become so
strong. You could see that as a little,
a little Rd. you know, like a gravel Rd.
You could see it like a, like, a, like, like, like a normal

(53:56):
concrete Rd. where people can drive faster.
You can see it like a highway. You can see it with a highlight
with 10 lengths. I mean it just depends on the
relationship and the intensity. Of some people call them psychic
chords. Yeah, yeah.
So he called them for me energy cords.
He said, I call those energy cords.
And this is a way of communicating as well.

(54:19):
But we are completely, you know,ignorant to this type of
communication. But I bet that there is somebody
in your direct neighborhood who produces this headache for you,
because after all this headache,you don't have it all day,
right? I said no, no, no.
It appeared like 10, five, 5-10 minutes ago, just like that.

(54:39):
And you often have this type of headaches, yes.
Then I'm pretty sure you're not a lost case.
You can live without medication from now onwards just by
following the following steps. I said, So what do I need to do?
He said, well, you simply, you simply think for a moment who it

(55:00):
could be that provided this headache to you.
I said, but what do you mean? I said, well, he said just think
about it first. Believe that this headache is
not yours, that somebody is around there that is strongly
connected to you who is potentially worried, who is
potentially having her or his thoughts focused on you.

(55:23):
Could be really anything for foryou know, it doesn't need to be
bad, but it could be a worry. It could be anything, but it
produces simply this pressure that causes the headache.
Some kind of constraint place? If you if you if you find this
person and you can just simply ask the person in your thoughts

(55:46):
or by speaking it out loud. I would I would recommend
thinking it because you're at work in case in case it's some
other. Place where you're weird, you're
insane, you're crazy, right? And you get this reflection from
it. Yeah.
Yeah, so, so, so, so please, let's let's do the trick.
So you you go back in your mind,think about which name is

(56:10):
popping up and before you find aname, think about the person you
saw before you found the name, because that's probably going to
be the person that actually giveyou the headache, not the person
you're really thinking of. It's before you have to get to
the before of your thoughts. You have to try to get just
before that and then when. We tend to want to place and I

(56:34):
love how Rilke put this, don't answer the questions that you
have. Let life answer them because we
want to get the answers based onour own thinking and our
awareness and and knowledge at the time.
Exactly. Doesn't always fit.
No, so, so he said. So that is step one.

(56:56):
And then Step 2. It's just just allow this person
to, to, to, to stop doing what he or she is doing.
And as a last step, you can simply, usually I click my
fingers just like like stop it, let the headache go away and

(57:16):
don't do this again. And that's all he said.
And you will see that instantly,not after 10 seconds, not after
20 seconds, not after a minute, but instantly your headache
disappears as long as it was theperson that gave it to you.

(57:37):
And I said get the fuck out of here.
This is ridiculous. I said I'll just do it.
And I said I'm sorry. I really, I really need to hang
up now. I said they are they really?
I said come on, do it. I said OK, OK, OK.
Oh man. He's pushing you out of your
comfort zone, huh? So far, and I'm at work, I'm on
the phone, you know, there's, you know, and you, you, you have

(58:00):
those, those offices where you have still this, this little
cubicle. Not really, it's not full
cubicles. They were like lower little
walls. So if you would go up a little
bit, you could see right away and all the others.
So, so so I was just, I was justgoing down, you know, down in my
chair just talking and I I really felt like Neo in the

(58:22):
matrix, you know, Part 1. I was also IT company.
I was working for this big IT company and and so so I did it
and it. Worked the message to sneak out
and go out the window and stand on the ledge.
Well, well, basically, you know,the first time I got fired was
with that company afterwards. So it was quite similar.

(58:44):
I really lived a similar, a similar life as as Neo in the
beginning. But but, but yeah, I applied the
things and it worked. And each time I got headaches,
sometime I was wrong. I tried it again and it worked.
And what does the beautiful brain do?
You know, I had, I would, I had tons of headaches, you know, in

(59:06):
2003, 2002, 2001 tons of headaches and 2004 as well until
that moment, until that moment. And I never had that again.
You know, I, I practiced, I practiced and and the brain
picks up, it becomes an auto automated thing.

(59:28):
So, so somehow your entire belief system has changed
dramatically changed. Suddenly everything has changed
inside you. Everything reacts differently,
everything experience everythingdifferently and it stops.
The only way that I get headaches is if I would, would
drink too much alcohol or, or you know, or I would literally.

(59:49):
Then you would cause it yourself, right?
Not, not. Yeah, or I would literally hit
my head against the wall, you know.
So, so that was that was that moment.
That was so defining. It was a very tiny little thing
in the end, but it helped me. It you know it isn't that.
How you know the subtle changes that the almost imperceivable

(01:00:10):
shifts that are like perspectiveteams, right?
You're looking at the drawing, you change the angle of
perspective and all of a sudden that you know what you're seeing
completely changes what I find. How do you find the shift in
like the belief system, right? So that's perception that you're

(01:00:32):
going to look for based on your belief system now, which is your
perspective. If you shift your perspective,
suspend your belief system, let's say for just a moment to
try something new like you did. You found out it worked and so

(01:00:53):
your perspective automatically changed because now you had
proof, evidence of the value in changing your perspective.
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
How do you find that process? Right, Right now you're

(01:01:13):
preparing to to take this work and and these opportunities,
this understanding to a larger number of people from multiple
countries in one location. Yeah, which is phenomenal.
Congratulations that the universe has finally said, Flo,
you're ready. So, and I honor that.

(01:01:38):
That is so precious and and so rewarding and I know you'll do
great with it. How are you going to take this
understanding and offer the precepts in understandable ways
to others who probably by and large have been caught in that

(01:01:59):
command and control module or cubicle, right for a while and
and you're trying to lower the walls.
How, how do you think that can happen?
What, what do you find has worked for you with others in
the past? And are there additional ways

(01:02:19):
you're considering that might work even better?
Well, I, I mean, I guess one of the things that I came to
realize at some stage in my lifeis that I could, I could do all
the things that somebody asked from me and more and, and

(01:02:40):
execute it well. And yet there was nothing
afterwards. There was no satisfaction.
There was, it was just work. It just left me exhausted at
some stage. And when they see you can do all
that, they give you more. And when they you, when they see

(01:03:02):
they. People get stuck on right?
And, and, and, and I guess that that's where that, that that's
where the the big thing is, I'm going to do soon a presentation.
You know, some, some guy gave methis, this title that I'm going
to abuse the business of being recently.
I'm going to do a short presentation and then this is

(01:03:25):
everything what it is about to me.
We have become human doings. I mean, our society, our
educational system, our, our, our parents, even subconsciously
being all part of the same thing.
We have be become human doings and it's time that we that we

(01:03:46):
take back what we truly are. We are human beings and this and
this is going to be my my, my entire dialogue in the
presentation. This this will start become my
dialogue in the workshops that I'm going to do for 16 countries
and leadership. As you as you just mentioned, I
said, this is going to be the basis.

(01:04:08):
So I'm going to start with doingand I'm going to potentially,
you know, you're. Going to step in a bunch of Doo
Doo, aren't you? Ask, ask around with, with, with
people. So what do they feel when they
do? What do they feel when they do
so much? What do they feel?
What do they feel in their energy level?

(01:04:29):
What do they feel in you know, all kinds of stuff.
And for sure today I'm pretty sure what the answers are going
to be. And so then then I can make the
the emphasis of human doing to human being.
And then I'm going to ask them potentially a question.
Do you know what a human being is?

(01:04:49):
Do you, do you know what it means to you?
What, what does it mean human being for you?
I mean, probably it's, it's, it's, it's going to be like
driving, driving the entire workshop that I'm going to
organize at at the high level, this feeling of being and doing.
And you don't need to become a human being, but you cannot be a

(01:05:14):
human doing without human being.I mean, I mean, the moment you
realize what you as a human being can, it can, can
contribute to the table to make doing worthwhile.
That's that's just amazing. That is, that is, that is the
change it sounds. Like you're flipping Maslow's

(01:05:34):
hierarchy upside down. Well, it's a little bit.
It's a little bit more because there's an extra dimension in
there that I'm not sure if I would be able to, to share with
the people because being and doing are two separate things.
But being and and being aligned with your internal being, that

(01:05:56):
is again something. Are they 2 separate things?
Well, is it dependent on the order 'cause if you're doing
without the being, then it wouldseem that there's a separation,
no? No, no thanks.
No, no, but no. But it's, it's just like, I
mean, it's just the doing and being, being separate, but not
separate within the human being,right, Right.

(01:06:18):
Well, this is where I was going to ask is.
It no, it's doing like this. It's it's.
Doing is the task and being is the state of the of the person
when doing the tasks, right? Could it be possible in in
today's world with all of this shift that's taking place and,
and people looking for passion, purpose, mission now, because

(01:06:40):
the old ways haven't been fulfilling, right?
Like you're talking about, it's not fulfilling to do and do and
do and, and not be at least acknowledged, right?
Or feel like there's some kind of reciprocal energy being given
back to you. Whereas when you're being, you

(01:07:00):
know, you're flipping that Maslow's hierarchy, if you will,
and adding another dimension of self realization rather than
just self actualization. And you start from that place of
being connected and then asking how to integrate that with your

(01:07:21):
doing well, integrate the doing with your being, finding that
passion and purpose and leaving where you are.
If the boundaries have gotten you pushed to the point where
you're like, this doesn't feel like me anymore, where can I go?
Right? How do you how do you move from
that place? Well, I, I, I mean, first of

(01:07:44):
all, I think that if you are truly being, which means to me,
if you are fully aligned with your energy, being internal,
being divine being got conscious, whatever it is that
people call. But if you're truly aligned to

(01:08:07):
that being, you experience at least the things like
contentment, joy, love, whateverit is that that comes to mind.
And when you are in this state of being, the doing is, is, is

(01:08:28):
is automated. It's the, it's the flow we're
talking about flow here. But but the, the flow in them
the purest form, right? So there's no need for, for, for
too much consciousness there if you are so conscious about your
being. And those beautiful things that
I would like to say about that state of being, especially for

(01:08:52):
businesses and organizations, because that's got to be one of
the core outcomes is that every individual is not wasting any
energy. Any individual is not being
drained. People remain they, they, they
keep their energy, they keeping their high energy, their high
vibration. Work becomes easy.

(01:09:16):
And when work becomes easy as a collective consciousness, as an
organization as well, right? I mean, you, you can talk about
organization as a it's a collective of human beings
specific purpose. Problem these days is that the
purpose is not a specific purpose.
People have had an agendas as different purposes.
There's all kinds of this thingsgoing on, but let's say for for

(01:09:40):
a second that if we are talking about a company with one
specific purpose and everybody is there as a collective to to
honor that purpose, to serve that purpose, then it means it's
organization, collective energy.This organization is going to
glow through the roofs, through the walls, through everything.
And this will, this will bring everything that anybody can

(01:10:04):
possibly need because it's changing culture.
It's it's a change in company culture.
It's a. It's, it's, it's just a change
of probably the entire company because nobody will recognize
this company any anymore. If, if this truly happens.
Right now we are in a situation of the opposite.
You have some people that that that may be having this, this

(01:10:27):
high vibration that are aligned with their being doing their
work, fighting against 90% of people that are feeling just
hopeless or feeling miserable. And they're doing their work
just for as a, as a job for for the paycheck because nobody's
listening to them anyway. Managers middle management is

(01:10:48):
not being here either. They know the real issues, but
higher management have their ownagendas instead of the true
purpose that everybody else on the bottom is working for and
you have a mess. So so the total experience
become rather a lower energy because everything is condemned
to doing. Because when we execute

(01:11:09):
something with this lower vibration, it drains a lot of
energy. We have to remember that our
emotions, our feelings are our compass for getting higher on
the scale. And that's the.
Only point of reference that we have as human beings.
That is a perfect key. Point that you just stated and I

(01:11:33):
hope that our audience can key, can key into it as well because
that is what drives us. It's energy in motion, our
emotion we sense, we feel we aremoved by, and the more we are
moved by it organizationally, then you get to a place where,

(01:11:56):
and I love this, happy people get more done with less
supervision and will exceed expectations every time.
Would you agree with that? There absolutely, absolutely and
so so then the only the only things and therefore I think I

(01:12:18):
found my new calling as I would like to call myself still some
kind of change management leads and organization change
management lead. I do have some expertise with
what goes wrong in organizations.
I do have some expertise how youcreate from vision, mission,
strategy, objectives, and you'vebeen at the core of the project

(01:12:40):
management of the. The things that produce some of
that, you've been in the trenches.
So. So now we have to.
Now we have to turn. It around or turn around the
muscle of pyramid as you say, but we have to turn it around.
We have to start saying how are we going to be?
How are we going to be together?What is the most important

(01:13:03):
thing? Are we the motor?
Are we the motor? What are we?
We are the energy, literally. We are the energy of the
organization. We're always on, so let's not to
pretend not to be on. We are always on, so we have to
be very, very careful how we areon when we are doing stuff.

(01:13:29):
Absolutely. Unless we are happy and joyful.
Then we don't care because then we are doing the right thing and
you're more open to working together.
You know I. Love Otto Sharma's work that and
Peter Sangay helped him out as well in there's some coursework
I took through MIT that was called the transforming business

(01:13:50):
society and self and it was built around this.
You theory, right, which is, youknow, you get people together,
you you establish that intellectually humble and
psychologically safe environmentfor people to open up and be
authentic and and speak. And then you bring that into

(01:14:13):
this, they call it Co presencing, right, where you're
all in the same space that's open, that's vulnerable, that's
curious. And then you build prototypes to
meet the solutions or the challenges that are being faced.
And I find it an impeccable way,uncomfortable, I'm sure, because

(01:14:37):
people are not used to sharing, to being vulnerable, to not
having someone be highly critical of them just because
they think or feel differently. Yeah.
So we have to do. A lot of work also in terms of,
you know, rewatch structures andthis type of thing.

(01:14:59):
People should not feel afraid toshare and to show themselves how
they truly are. And at the moment we learn not
to do that, because nobody ever should feel that I'm feeling
afraid, or that I'm feeling, or it seems like nobody cares.
I think at a moment. At a moment, you're absolutely

(01:15:19):
right. Ten years ago people still cared
and people are hiding. Now people don't seem to care
too much anymore. People are fed up and people
have no clue what to do, how to bail out because they are
attached to all kinds of other commitments.
Most of the time financial commitments due to their
families, due to mortgages, due to whatever it is that they got

(01:15:45):
got involved in. So, so they have no way out.
They, they, they feel like they are trapped completely.
Well, let's open the door for them, right?
We're kind of close to. Time So let's get the way out.
What would you recommend advise one who finds themselves in this

(01:16:08):
conflicted internal space of being inauthentic or or feeling
like they're being inauthentic? What, what do you think today
would help them have that that single piece, that thread, that
breadcrumb that could take them into that initial part of a

(01:16:33):
journey to their authentic self?It's a, it's a very tough
question because it's, it's partially depending on where
people are at the, at their emotional letter in, in this
entire adventure as well. I mean because if they are quite

(01:16:56):
low on the ladder, I mean if they are depressed.
For example. Probably a big step forward is
becoming angry as an emotion. That's a big step.
That's a don't stifle. This is the thing.
And you? I'm glad you brought this up
because. We tend to stifle our emotions
rather than let them be present so that we can navigate through

(01:17:19):
them. So So what I, what I, what I
would. Recommend is, is, is one way or
another just to, to try to see what happens when you, when you
really take the time and to, to,to make a walk far away from,
from this, this, this area, thisenvironment that brings you all

(01:17:44):
this frustration, this irritation, the sadness, maybe
this, this depressed feelings. And there's usually always one
place and it's called nature. I mean, and, and, and, and I
just remembered I shared we are nature.
So it should be good enough to be under the people as well.
But in, in this particular case,I would highly recommend to go

(01:18:08):
to, to, to the other part of nature, the trees, a lake.
If you're close to the ocean, the ocean, if you're close to
the mountains, make, make, make a weekend trip to, to the
mountains and try to be with yourself and, and, and, and when

(01:18:29):
thoughts are coming, let them come and let it go and let it
go. And, and, and at some stage, at
some stage you're going to feel calmer and you're going to
realize, Hey, why do I always feel better when I am in nature?
Because we are nature. I mean, I, I, I mean people need

(01:18:52):
to make, at the end of the day, they need to make a mind shift.
They need to make a, a big shiftof perspective.
When they realise, when they start to believe that they are
nature or that they are built ofenergy blocks, then things,
things start to make sense. But before that time it's it's,
it's, it's, it's really something else.

(01:19:14):
It's a process of, of listening to others how how other reflect
on the situation. But know this people, and that
is that is for the octopus movement a little bit.
If we are trying to solve the things today in the same way as
we have always done, we're not going to solve those challenges

(01:19:36):
anymore. The challenges have become too
big. The challenges need another
reality. And in order to find this other
reality, we have to start opening up.
We have to start becoming curious.
We have to start to listen to ourselves, to how we feel.
Are we truly happy? Are we truly frustrated?
And if we are truly frustrated, walk that path and acknowledge

(01:20:01):
that you're frustrated. Let it all go.
Let it all come out. And when your frustration leaves
you, what are you feeling then? Are you feeling still sadness?
Are you feeling fear? I mean, let the fear come out.
Walk the path of your emotion because it is your only guide.

(01:20:23):
It is your only guide. And in the end you will see.
That only with different ways ofthinking, we can start solving
this process. It's a natural evolution of
mankind that we're into right now.
I absolutely agree with that and.
Live in that it in my opinion, you know, going back to the

(01:20:45):
betas, if we're looking at that inner and outer bridge, you're
talking for one level like a solar frequency that we have in
the consciousness that we carry.And then we've also got the
genetic codes that provide our physical structure.

(01:21:07):
We can. The only thing that we have
choice in is how we think. And in doing that we can adjust.
How tuned in we are with nature and recognize that the question
came up. So you're out in nature, you've

(01:21:28):
taken your break, right? You realize in nature it, it
seems that you're more present, right?
You're not thinking about the past, you're not thinking about
the future. You're present, Mao Tzu says.
If you're in the past or, or thefuture, you're stressed, you're
not in the present, right? So being in the present, then,

(01:21:49):
do you find that what needs to be done is generally right in
front of you, you just haven't seen it because you've been
looking beyond it? Well.
I I believe so. I.
Would say. In my in my own experience, it
definitely has been as a Dutch person originally, we have grown

(01:22:11):
up to look at the future. We're always busy.
We are always have been busy with the future history past was
not so important, but it's only if he if he do crappy stuff in
the past, it hounds us forever because we're we're worried
about it in the present and we and we carry so much baggage
with it. Yeah, you know, so much baggage

(01:22:32):
and we. Don't realize, you know there's.
There's not even carry ONS on this flight.
Yeah, but but, but but. When you when you are able to
separate all that and when you are in the presence, that's just
the most beautiful thing becauseeverybody is adaptable and
changeable in the present. Everything, everything.

(01:22:54):
And a smile will come on your face the moment you realize that
there has to be big smiles for everyone.
Flores, this has. Just been a phenomenal
conversation. I really love to how we went
through this transformative process that is available for

(01:23:16):
everybody. And the way that you've
expressed it, the insights you provided this, the wisdom and
the simplicity of the activities, I know that that's
going to tremendously benefit our audience and me too.
Well, I hope so. I mean it.
Was a pleasure to to be part of this.

(01:23:38):
I mean really I, I love to speakabout especially in a in a safe
space where I know that people are listening and people, people
are not not afraid to actually try things.
And because one of those things that I came to understand and to

(01:23:59):
experience as well in the past that I've tried to help people
with those little tricks that I've been sharing.
But how to get rid of headaches that that you can ask people to
show up and the people will showup when they give you a headache
or or a back pain or whatever itis.
It's not just for the headaches,it's for and whatever you ask
for will show up. So be careful what you ask for.

(01:24:22):
So if you have a lower back, pain suddenly appearing.
I mean that that that's most likely somebody else potentially
at your work that gives you a a huge amount of stress.
So that could be really happening at your work.
So that's that. That's huge.
But I tried to help a person in my work in the past for that and
he just laughed in my face and he just said literally, I will

(01:24:46):
stop talking to you only when I have to from my manager.
I know, and it's so sad. That that, well, it's close
mindedness. It was 10 years ago.
I'm more or less so. That was the last time I just.
Changed all that much. I think our conversation.
Is definitely in, in the upper half, a half a percent of people

(01:25:09):
who could even not that we're that special, right?
We've just gone through the trials and tribulations and
stumbled and fallen and gotten back up enough times that we
realize certain things to be true.
And it's just the the desire to share that.
So that we can help others experience joy and happiness in

(01:25:32):
their own lives, wherever they are, whatever they're doing.
And the most beautiful thing is since.
You talked about this workshop for me, whatever they going to
get, whatever they going to learn, whatever they going to
walk away with, they can apply it just instantly and it's not
for their work, it's just for their lives, right?

(01:25:52):
I mean, it's, it's everything's cross.
Referenceable right? I mean I have to make it work
related in this. Particular sentence, but it's
nothing to do with work. It's just like, well, and and
work and life really aren't separate.
We believe them to be. We're one being.
We go everywhere. Whatever we do anywhere, we do

(01:26:14):
everywhere. And so there.
You see, also there I was so privileged, you know, because
also there's thanks to the fact that I was moving from one place
to the other over 4 continents. I never have seen my work as my
work because it was always part of moving.
It was always part of this greatexperience of discovering a new

(01:26:37):
country. So for me, my work was always
part of my life and I feel really blessed because of that.
And, and the other thing that I,that I would still would like to
share in this, I also never, I never felt attached to anything
because again, about all these times that I have been moving,

(01:26:57):
I, I feel I'm not much realisticat all in any sense in any way.
Because I dealt with filling up houses, apartments and and
selling it off again so often inmy life that whatever it is that
I crave should be just in the end, something nice to have for
me or good for my body. One of the two, you know, and

(01:27:21):
one, one is not necessarily the same as the other, but, but
there's nothing else. There's no houses to, to chase.
There's no cars to chase. There's no nice furniture to
chase. There's no nice clothes to
chase. I'm not saying I don't like it,
but it doesn't do anything to me.
It really stopped doing anythingto me.
There's no meaning in it. It's just meaningless really.

(01:27:44):
And I'm also very blessed for that, for having this life and
all those dots that I'm combining.
That's one of the last things that I would like to say to the
people that feel really, really,really stuck.
Just look. Look.
Back for a couple of. Years and and remember the
things you have said then three years ago, five years ago and

(01:28:06):
look back where you are right now.
You will see some progress one way or another.
You just have to connect those dots.
Absolutely take the time to reflect.
Anyway, Yeah, great way to end Boris again.
Thank you so much for being here.

(01:28:27):
I'm really thank you for having me.
Yeah. Namaste.
And in La Quech and. Thank you all for sticking with
us throughout this conversation.I'm sure you got a lot out of
it. I know we both did and I will
see you next time in La Quech.

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