April 10, 2025 • 60 mins
Episode 191 One World in a New World with Amy Olmedo - Walking Between Worlds
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💡 How can nature guide us toward self-discovery?
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Amy shares her extraordinary near-death experiences, her initiation into shamanic wisdom, and her journey of building a retreat in the woods, where she integrates ancient and modern wisdom to foster healing, connection, and transformation.
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Namaste and in La Ketch and welcome to this episode of One
World in a New World. I'm your host, Zen Benefiel.
And this week's guest is Amy Almido.
She is an amazing woman. She's an author of White Heron,
a creation story. She's building a retreat in the
woods. She's had multiple opportunities
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to leave the planet that she avoided, which are really going
to be interesting to discuss andfollow her journey into
shamanism. So stick around.
I've known Amy for a couple of years or several years as part
of the Friendship Bench and Biz Catalyst 360 as an author, and
I'm sure you're going to enjoy this conversation.
So stick around, we'll be right back.
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Amy, it's so great to have you here.
I've been looking forward to this conversation.
I really enjoyed our little gatherings that we've had over
the years with the Friendship Bench and I want to dive deeper.
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Thanks for being with us. Oh, absolutely, yeah.
I think I'm pretty sure I've known you for three years
because I got a little message saying that I had been on the
bench for three years. So I guess that's where we met.
And I think I think we have a lot of things in common which
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maybe the the rest of the world may or may not have in common.
So it'll be interesting to find out more.
Yeah, we're a, we're a the weirdelk and I appreciate that.
Absolutely. Speaking of the weird elk ilk,
could be an elk. We'll see if we, if we grow any
antlers, right. So in these conversations that I
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have with others like you and thought leaders around the
world, we talk about the inner and outer experiences and
focusing on the, the awareness that we're really bereft of
having those inner conversationswith others for fear that we'll
be rejected in some way and not be able to fully express
ourselves authentically. And, and that's really a shame.
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Now since COVID took place, a lot of these, the listening has
shifted and people are curious, they're asking questions and are
diving deeper. So in that deep dive, I'd like
to ask you, how did you first become aware that there was more
to this life than just the physicality and that other
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things are involved And there's a sense of interconnectedness in
that? I've actually always known that,
but like you said, you keep it asecret.
When I was young, I had a lot ofdifferent experiences that led
me to believe that there was more than what we were learning.
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But you know, when you communicated to other people,
they just look at you like, OK, you're super weird and so.
Well, and you think there, you think it's normal too, right?
Because you're right. As a little.
Kid, you think it's? Normal.
Yeah. As a little kid, when you
experience something or see something or say something or
feel something, you can think, oh everybody else does this, you
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know? But then when you say it to
everybody else, they just look at you like you have like 3
heads or something. Absolutely.
You know, I kept quite till I was a teenager, as you probably
did too. And then once you start open
your mouth, people go, oh, wait a minute, he's weird, right?
Even when you're, you know, really interconnected with the
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people around you, your friends,your classmates, and you know,
they know you well, but they don't know you well.
Exactly. And I've always had a way of,
I've tried to actually perfect the art of sounding very
neutral, you know, like for world events or politics or
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people, you know, doing things. I, my family is split on both
sides of everything. I mean, and they're, they're not
like a little bit split. They're like one's way over here
and the other one's way over there.
So I always had AI always had myown way of expressing agreement
with certain parts of what they were saying.
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So they automatically thought I agreed with everything that they
were saying because I agreed with certain parts even though I
rejected certain parts. I just didn't necessarily bring
that into the conversation. Yeah.
He acknowledged the commonality rather than the differences.
Right, which is how I view wisdom, which has, which is what
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has brought me here is I had this, I had this knowledge and I
had this wisdom and you know, I had a lot of education, I had a
lot of life experiences, but I can only share certain parts of
myself with certain people. Like maybe Group A knew this
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part of Amy and group Group B knew this part of Amy and Group
C knew this part of Amy. And I, I was being authentic.
I was being authentically Amy. I just showed different versions
of myself to these people because I felt like if I showed,
oh, here's all of Amy, like you said, I was gonna get rejected.
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Like, you know, like I played sports.
So when I played sports, I was 100% being Amy.
But when you talk about sports and that you saw you had some
type of spiritual enlightenment,they're like, where's the ball?
You know, like right, Right. Right.
And that that's the the confusing thing about this early
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adulthood and the teenage experience when you're having
these things happen to you and there are those around you that
you do, you know, you travel many social circles, right?
And in high school especially, there's all these different
cliques and that you, because of, I'm guessing, did you find
that at in your neutral place that you were able to transcend
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the differences and, and kind ofnot necessarily waltz through,
but dance through the different social circles?
I did. I had a lot of different friends
in very different social circlesmy whole life.
And it wasn't till I was in my 40s where I'm like, whatever,
I'm just going to get all these people together.
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And actually, when I was 45 years old, I had a birthday
party. And I thought I must have been
crazy or something because I invited all different types of
friends from different social circles to the same party.
And I thought, could God help me?
And so I set up my house so thatpeople had to walk around.
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They had to meet each other. They had to talk, you know,
like, like I had some artisan pizza out out, way out in the
thing. So if you wanted to order your
pizza, you went out there. And then I had like cool beer
brewing things and another portion on my porch.
And then I had appetizers in thekitchen and I had wine and
cheese in the dining room. And I had, you know, so if you
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wanted to eat different things or drink different things, you
had to speak to other people. And it was cool because people
are like, oh, who are you? Oh, I've heard your name before.
Oh, she really likes you. You're cool.
You're friends for a long time. And it was.
The fact that you invited them there gave them at least a point
of reference of which they couldall feel common with and
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grateful toward, as well as caring.
Right? Because these are friends that
obviously care about and they care about you.
Did you find that in, in doing that?
I'm fascinated by, I love to do this kind of stuff too.
It's like grab a bunch of peoplefrom different arenas.
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And, and I, I found my work withpartnering and construction
projects doing that as well. Because there's different
ethnicities involved that bring in different cultural value
systems that you have to navigate, at least be aware of.
And did you find that? How did you find out?
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Were they able to? As a result, were you able to
open up a bit more in your circles than you had before?
Well, what I found, well, so number one, I grew up in
Maryland, right outside of Washington, DC, So experiencing
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different cultures is just your way of life.
That's just the way it is. And so, and I've learned that
when you move out of those areas, that's not the way that
it is. And so I think being around a
diversity of people and culturesand religions and foods, I think
that's normal. And when you put me in a a very
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in a culture where there's one type of people and one type of
food and 1:00. Type of food with nothing but
white people I grew up. And like please stop boring me
to death I can't handle it like.You know, you know, I, I
couldn't wait to leave and I couldn't figure out how until it
happened and I was able to and wow, what a freedom, right?
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Because that in those small environments, there are small
minds and they don't look at at those intrinsic values in having
a diverse experience or or diverse friends, right?
Well, and that's one thing that I've learned.
So I bought a 10 acre reforestedfarm pretty much in the middle
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of nowhere. And I thought, what in the hell
am I doing? I'm from, you know, I'm from the
suburbs, I've lived in the city.I, you know, but I love hiking,
I love nature, I love all of these things.
And, you know, buying 10 acres of land in the middle of the
city is just not going to happen.
I just don't happen to have an extra $10 million laying around.
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And so I bought it out there andas I tell people my purpose and
as I, as people see who I am andthe, the work that I'm putting
into my land, I'm I've, I've already created almost 2 miles
of nature trails by hand. And these people come out and
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they see what I'm doing and I ask a lot of questions.
So the commonalities I see between different groups of
people of their socioeconomic status, their culture, their
religions, I ask everybody, whatdo you think?
You know, I'm building this bridge.
What do you think? What do you think and what do
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you think? So by the time I get four or
five supposedly expert opinions,I have a really great way to
bring it all together and drive the project forward because
everybody has valuable input. But you know, the type of wood
you're using, who cuts the wood when you put the wood up, what
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kind of screws you use, what kind of drainage you have
underneath, all of those things are all super important to
building a bridge. And that bridge has been a, it's
been a huge metaphor because it's in the middle.
So I have two types of land out there.
I have sort of, I have sort of aloblolly pine forest with some
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other trees in there. And then I have a forested
wetland that has all kinds of really cool stuff in there.
And so they're, they're, they'redifferent.
So I can't even ask the same questions to the same people.
And, you know, and most people'sresponses will cut it down.
And I'm like, yeah, right. I'm not cutting it down.
I bought this on purpose, you know, like, but when you know
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what? And you mentioned that that's
just the the oddest thing that you hear, 'cause we don't, you
and I do. But a lot of people don't think
about, well, what's the why are you doing this and what's the
effect going to be? And are you removing things in
the way of your ego, or are you just not understanding what
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nature is really all about? Right.
And you know, I, I have hiked through nature.
I used to hike 20 or 30 miles a week before my third car
accident. And so now I don't do that
anymore, but I'm working my way back to it.
So I love nature. I've observed nature and I've,
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I've, I've been through all, allthrough Maryland, Pennsylvania,
Virginia. I've been all through the South,
Georgia, North Carolina, Alabama, Tennessee, and then I
went all through Hawaii, different parts of Hawaii and
Texas. So I've observed a lot of really
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cool stuff in nature and the ways different people do things.
And there are some indigenous practices that are amazing and
there's some modern practices that are amazing.
And so if I combine both forms of knowledge, I feel like I'm
gonna optimize what I'm doing. Have I ever done this before?
Absolutely not. But when I'm out there, I
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listen. I listen to my heart, and I also
listen to nature. If I'm like, should I go this
way or should I go that way? There's always some type of
little creature that shows up that says that way.
I don't know what it is. I don't know why there's like,
there's this hog. You.
Do right I? I I would beg the difference.
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You do know why and, and you know, you mentioned your
accidents, you've been through several.
You've passed so close to death on several occasions that you
could reach out and touch it. I should have died five times.
OK, even more right. So this makes it even more
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imperative. Why do you think you were
spared? I still have a lot of work I
need to do in the world. I've always known I wanted to be
a healer and mistakenly when I was young I thought I wanted to
be a doctor. And then I found out that
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doctors are all about unhealth. And I was, yes, they manage your
unhealth quite well. And I actually, in the past
year, I couldn't figure out whatwas wrong with me.
And I've spent over $20,000 and I've been to a million different
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types of specialists. I've had every kind of test you
can imagine. And their conclusion is that
they don't know what's wrong with me.
And this is has nothing to do with a car accident or a
respiratory illness or any of these other things.
This is all. What are those symptoms for
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management? Then what, what if you don't
mind me, you know, I, I understand some vulnerable
territory here. I and, and I hope you trust me
to take you there. When you peel back the layers,
what are the the symptoms that you're experiencing?
All of my joints swell up as if I've sprained them, so sometimes
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they're big, sometimes they're small.
But the pain and the swelling never leaves my joints.
It might be in my knees, it might be in my feet, it might be
in my hands or my neck or my back.
So it doesn't actually leave. And every doctor that I've gone
to, so I'll be 54 in a couple ofweeks, and every doctor that I
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have gone to said, oh, you're perfectly happy.
There's no need for any more follow up.
You're just old and you're goingto have to get used to this.
Yeah. Well, there's some choice words.
There's some choice words for those people.
Do you mind if we we dive a little deeper?
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Why do you why do you think on an 'cause I know maybe before we
we go into this, let's talk about how you got, I don't want
to say diverted. You got nudged into exploring
the inner world of shamanism fora time really went some deep
places. What did it teach you?
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What did you learn? Well, and it's not that I didn't
know these things, but it helps put words to what you think you
know. Yeah.
There's certain base knowledge Ithink we all have, we just don't
know how to articulate it. Right.
So throughout my I've had three,two car accidents.
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The third accident, I was actually hit by a car while I
was walking and then I had a respiratory illness and then I
had COVID. And I've lived through all of
this. And the reason I lived through
all of it was because I've always been determined to be a
very happy and healthy person. So when you when you experience
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adversity, you experience the physical adversity and then you
experience the emotional adversity.
And the emotional adversity always goes to the weakest part
of your body, and that's the poison which could.
Be in the. Right.
So without getting into any typeof political or health
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discussion, in 2000, the end of 2018, I was forced to ingest
poison and subsequently I was sick for 18 months, felt like I
had pneumonia and I was blamed for being sick from my former
employer. So I I was forced to take the
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poison. Then I was blamed for the
effects of the of the poison andand then I left my job.
And then about 3 or 4 months after I left my job is when
COVID shut down the world and I literally thought like OK God,
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did you really have to shut downthe world in order to make me
leave Maryland? I was like, I know I'm a little
bit stubborn but this is over the top.
Maybe others were in that place too.
And and yeah, there's a wake up call for sure.
You know, the sequestration and the the capability of self
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examination for many at that time was ever present and some
did. Right.
I'm sure you're one of them, obviously now in that back into
the journey into shamanism, the the the learning that took place
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there, did that give you a bit more understanding of how this
energy works within you? Yeah, so I actually went to Peru
so that I could experience the art of shamanism where where it
originated. So my shaman was in practice
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since he was 12 years old and hewas in his 70s when I worked
with him. And he had a long lineage of
that his family had lived in Peru for I think, four or five
generations. And one member of his family
always went into Catholicism andthe other member of his family,
you know, at the at the at the right age, went into shamanism
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so that their family was continuously blended.
So I didn't feel like I was somehow turning my back on, I
mean, I grew up Catholic, My children went to Catholic
school. I wasn't turning my back on it.
I was broadening my perspective on what I think, what I think
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spirituality is. And I think that there are
amazing lessons in Christianity,but there's also amazing lessons
in every other religion because of the commonalities that I
spoke of a little while ago. And so originally I just thought
I had a really cool imagination.When I was in ceremony.
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I was like, wow, my imagination rocks.
This is so cool. Like, I wish I could tell people
this stuff, but if I tell peoplethis stuff, they just think I'm
really strange anyway, So whatever, I'm not, I'm just
going to keep it to myself. I mean, I told a couple of my
friends and they were like, well, that's nice.
Same. You know, and.
Yeah, what are they going to say?
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You know, I, I know, you know, for me, I, I had same experience
that I started pre Med program in college.
Then I realized, you know, 21st and second quarter.
And. I was distraught and and just
distraught and and I hit my knees, prayed to know what truth
was, was willing to die for it. And the following week did and
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then realized, oh, we're all cut.
You know, in my, the what I gaveup my life in the belief of
because the question I was askedwas are you willing to die for
what you believe in? Right.
So that gets you to question, OK, what do I believe in?
My first thought was Christ consciousness and, and it was a
little empty and I didn't question it.
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He just moved on. And then the second one was
cosmic consciousness. Well, and I said yes because it
felt full and I didn't understand why at the time.
Turns out well that we are cosmic consciousness condensed
into form and fully manifested, that is Christ consciousness.
Yes, it is. Absolutely.
So, but we got to understand theformless and the form, right?
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And, and the differentiation between the two.
And in the shamanistic realms, there's more worlds than we can
even imagine that it, that we'reintroduced to most people.
It, it's like a fantasy world, like the imagination, right?
And yet there is this interaction.
And once you have it, you begin noticing the subtleties of that
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continued interaction in your life.
Do you notice that? Yes.
And to back up a little bit, when I found out it wasn't my
imagination when 12 people, whenfive of the 12 people in the
room saw and experienced exactlywhat I experienced, I thought,
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OK, this is my imagination, please butt out.
But I thought this campaign, I'mlike, hello, you're just passing
my imagination. I don't want to pass the ball.
Let me shoot. Yeah, I'm like, Oh my gosh, if
all these other people saw exactly what I saw and
experienced exactly what I well,maybe not exactly, but, you
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know, to an extent. Close enough.
In their own descriptions. We've all got different words
for describing the same thing. Yeah, but I saw my shaman's
spirits. I saw three of his spirits that
taught him when he was a child, and I saw them and I simply
thought it was my imagination. And then four other people
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described these exact same entities in the exact same
locations wearing these same garments.
And I kept it to myself. And about 3 weeks later, I asked
another woman in the group, wereyou sitting over by the
bathroom? And she smiled at me and she
said, no, I was not. And I was like, so you weren't
sitting by the bathroom with a Shaw on you?
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No, I was not. That's that's Teo's grandmother.
And I thought, oh, OK then. All right.
And she said he she passed away when he was a child, but she
came to the ceremony to help me.And that was that right there.
Completely shifted my oh, this must be my imagination to know
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this is real. This is real and and and and my
interpretation. Another set of questions.
Yes, yeah. And so each and every time I, so
for the next 7 years, I worked with the same group of people in
the same shaman and he LED us and he guided us like this is,
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this is what you need to learn. This is what you need to focus
on. And it wasn't like a textbook.
It wasn't like, here's ABCD. It was like before ceremony and
after ceremony, we would, we would speak about things and you
could ask questions. And sometimes it was difficult
to understand him 'cause he spoke Kechman, he spoke Spanish,
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and he spoke English, and all ofthose languages don't
necessarily translate the same way.
And he had a pretty thick accent, you know, So a lot of it
was open to my own interpretation, which was my
work. It was my work to figure these
things out and how I interpret something, and my work doesn't
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necessarily match the next person or the next person.
Well, that's the thing about cosmic consciousness and our
connectedness to it. It, it is infinite intelligence
basically specific to us individually.
And so that congruence, that stream of consciousness that's
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available when we're open and, and in inquiry, then it shares
what's understandable to us in that moment.
It doesn't mean we understand all of it.
And yet, have you noticed that over the time that passes beyond
that, that there's elements of it that come back into your
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consciousness for a moment with another little nugget?
Yeah, so, so like, for example, I watched him.
There was a woman who had fallenout of a burning building and
she was totally crushed. So in this other realm, I
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watched him open her up, do whatever he did with a room full
of spirits and so her back together again.
But the wasn't real threat. It was just like this glowing
white light. And I watched it.
And did that correlate to my life?
Yeah, it did. I worked in a hospital, so it
made complete sense to me. If I would have worked somewhere
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else, maybe I would have described it a different another
way. It's kind of evidence of the
psychic surgeons we've heard about in the Philippines that
have been doing this stuff for along time.
Yeah. So, you know, a few years ago
when I felt like I didn't actually fall out of a burning
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building, I felt like I had beenpushed out of a burning building
by three people I really trusted.
You know, it was like a metaphor.
And I felt, I felt wounded and Ithought, well, how can I, how
can I perform that own surgery on myself?
And how can I look at myself? Because that was one thing he
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taught us to do is when we walk back and forth in our timelines,
look to see which part of the body is weak or small or
mutated. So I did part of the ceremony by
myself. And so I went and stood in front
of the mirror and I was like, OK, I was like, hey, look, my
arm is not the right way and hey, this isn't the right way.
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And all right, I'm like, am I doing this the right way?
I just have no clue. I.
Don't know what I'm doing, but I'm gonna do it anyway.
Right. I was like, I have no clue what
I'm doing. So I went back out and I laid on
the sofa and I meditated myself.I, I envisioned the sofa to be a
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surgery table. I know what they look like.
I know what's around them. I, I worked in a simulation
center in the hospital. So all of my surgeries were
simulated. Anyway, I was like, hey, one
more simulation way to go and and I felt there.
Are those that say, you know, welive in a simulation and you
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know, Tom Campbell's a big proponent of that and that our
avatars have ultimate power. The Vedas that you've heard me
mention this on the bench before, that the Vedas that are
15,000 years old and the essenceof them say we're all divinely
divine threads Incarnate, if youwill, connected to source and
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capable of God consciousness. Now what's that really mean,
right? We're capable of everything that
we need to do for ourselves, including create the reality one
and to be able to heal ourselves.
And that is where the white Heron came from because through
the 2 1/2 years where I was healing in salt, essential
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solitude, not total solitude. I do live in the world, but I
was, I had as much solitude as Icould possibly have.
And I hiked down to the river every day and I found fossils
that were over 30 million years old every day by myself.
And I didn't tell anybody where they were.
And I came home and I tried to identify them and I did all
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these, these cool things. And I thought, you know what?
There isn't anything wrong with me 'cause I, I felt like that
little girl. I felt like that little girl
that was so like, that was supersmart.
And I'm not being arrogant like,but I was, I, I, I was like
really smart and I was. Music, right?
The there are super smart people.
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That doesn't mean that we alwaysappear that way.
Right. Yeah, Yeah.
But it took me back to that little girl that I was filled
with curiosity, not knowing, notknowing that, like you said,
like as little kids, we think everybody's like this.
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So in academics. You said BE as little children,
right? You?
There's no distinction there. The naivety, an innocence of a
child knows no boundaries and has No Fear.
Mm hmm. And when I was down at,
ironically at the Cape Fear River, appropriately named.
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By Segway there, huh? It is a treacherous river.
If you get caught down there during when the tide's coming
in, you will lose your life. Like the sound of the tide
changes and the white herons arethere and, and the white Heron
was guiding me like whenever I would be like, oh, and I'd be so
frustrated, like I want to quit.I want to walk away.
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I just want to go back and be a normal person and get a normal
job and have a normal life. And it was like, yeah, thanks
for the vote of confidence then,you know.
Well, I know you know, we're both the same.
We find ways to integrate and befunctional and have the things
that we need, but we're not slaves to the system any longer.
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No. And when I one thing that
concerned me was that when I bought my farm, it's about 1/2
an hour out. So while I'm still in the Cape
Fear region, I'm not on the river anymore.
So right now where I am, I'm kind of where the river and the
ocean come together. So there's all kinds of birds
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and tides and sounds and smells and out there it's totally
different. And that's when I mentioned the
hawk came and, and there was the, there's these Hawks that
live right behind where my houseis being built.
And there's these like I saw these cool little green snakes
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that are just a few inches long.And there's all kinds of like
lizards and bird, like just everything you can imagine.
And I'm out there, you know, working my butt off and the
bugs, you know, and lots of bugs.
And but they're all, they're alllike saying pay attention, pay
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attention, pay attention. And then I was speaking to
another person that another teacher that I've met because I
feel like I exhausted all of my learning with my previous
shaman. I worked with him for seven
years and I felt like my time was done.
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And in the last few years, I've been in search of my next
teacher. And I found my next teacher.
And one of the first things thathe said to me was that I had a
hawk sitting on my head. And I thought, he doesn't know
about the hawk at my house. He doesn't know about any of
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these things. And everywhere I go, I.
Would presume that, and yet whenyou enter those worlds, there's
nothing hidden. Yeah, when you connect with
people that know, not only know how to experience, live in those
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experiences, it's like you feel things from them and you see
things from them and you don't know.
I mean, when you're sitting there speaking to somebody and
you just have idle chitchat, youdon't know who they are or what
their life experiences are. But I didn't have a name for
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whatever this thing is. But it's like, I guess probably
the easiest, most watered down way to explain it would be my
intuition. And so my intuition, my hawk
pays attention to everything allthe time, hears everything.
I don't even have very good hearing for my car accidents.
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I can't see very well. I can't hear very well, but I
hear things that don't necessarily other people don't
hear, and I see things that other people don't necessarily
see, and the hawk is what helps me.
That's awesome. And and you know, when we do
have adversities that diminish some of our senses, it activates
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others. And if we don't have that, we
generally don't find the the path to the that multi sensory
device known as our body all kinds of ways of absorbing
information and relating it backto us in order for us to be more
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interconnected with it. How did you find in this
movement as you're, you're speaking about the energy, the
flow, being able to heal yourself, being able to see
yourself in that condition wherethe healing's necessary, first
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of all. And so you're looking to find
out why your bursal sacs are awry, right?
Well, ultimately, because Joyce smell and it's so right in these
times and I I, this is a curiousquestion because I experiencing
some things that I don't normally experience.
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You know, when we've had a lot of these 5D people right that
say, oh, we're having a dimensional shift.
I, I, I don't see the earth going to be, you know, splitting
and becoming another world that no, that's not happening.
Although there are dimensional vibrational shifts, subtle that
can be felt by some. And I turned out to be one of
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those. Now recently there's another
ship that's taking place that may be partially due because
we're conduits, right? We're sensitive in different
ways, and yet we're all are sensitive to the same things,
the same energy. This the one in each of us that
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expresses differently right in our individuation.
So I've been experiencing this pressure in between my solar
plexus and my heart, and it ebbsand flows depending on how I'm
able to understand and respond to the energy in the moment that
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feels constrained or conflicted that love, fear, balance and
dance, right? And I, I know that I'm highly
sensitive to much larger than myown personal energy, as I, I've
found that out over 40 years of experiences questioning, you
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know, am I really, am I crazy? Oh, I can't question.
You know, it's hard to deny yourown personal direct experience
and how you interpret that. And if you're wrong and you keep
asking about it, well, the correct interpretation is
eventually going to come forth and you're going to feel it
resonate in your body when it happens.
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Do you find that to be true? Yeah, absolutely.
I forgot to mention that I was adelicate flower.
Well, at least you're not deflowered, right?
Such I, since I am such a delicate flower, I do experience
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all different types of energies and I always have.
I mean, I, I feel, I feel light,I feel dark, I feel anger, I
feel happy. I feel, I feel all different
types of things from people. And I have to consciously try to
cut some of those things off if I feel that they're burdening
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me. I mean, obviously, yeah,
obviously if I love the person and I feel that they have a
certain feeling, I'm not going to cut them off.
But, you know, the person at therestaurant or the person walking
down the street or some random person, you know, asking, you
know, calling out for help. I can't help everybody in the
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world that needs help #1. I don't have the wherewithal to
do that. And #2 they need.
There's a lot of people who don't want to help themselves.
And if if people want to help themselves, I'm more than happy
to help show them the way. But it's not my responsibility
to heal them. Right, right.
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And you know, The thing is it, it seems anyway where your
attention is attracted to, right?
And this is a natural process. Sometimes we don't even have a
control. It's just all of a sudden, it's
like walking into room and meeting someone's eyes.
You don't have control of that. That's energy, and that's a
connection between the two of you.
Absolutely. Right.
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So in that understanding, is it possible that there is some
somewhere that there is A and I'm asking this, 'cause I, I'm
asking myself too, is there something I'm missing?
Am am I resisting something or not clear on something where I'm
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diminishing the flow that's capable through me as a being
that's conscious and aware of that?
Well, I would say for me to answer that question for myself,
I have, I have some anger that Ihaven't reconciled in my life,
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which is most likely in my opinion, why I feel the majority
of my pain in my knees and my hands.
And I yeah, it does. And I'm trying to reconcile that
anger, but it's like I said, when the people that you love
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and trust most in your life, when those are the people who
hurt you, that you know, the pain doesn't go away easily.
I mean, if some some Co worker hurts you or somebody you, you
just casually know if they hurt you, it might, it might make you
upset for a few days or whatever.
But when people that you've known since you've came into
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this world completely. Yeah.
Well, I, no, I haven't been married for quite some time.
And my boyfriend's awesome. So.
But no, there's other people in my life that I have known for
either my entire life or their entire life that have completely
hurt me. And it you just don't get over
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it like today or tomorrow. It takes it takes time.
If you even can get over it all together.
That's. That's one belief I happen to
feel that that getting over can happen in an instant.
You just have to choose to let it go.
And that's a tough thing to do because it's so embedded and
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present and and familiar. Right.
And it's, it's emotional energy.Well.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Now if you could let it go,
would you? Most of those people, Most.
No, I mean just the energy, the the the, the constraint of
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energy that it brings into your body.
Could you let go of that? I think so.
Your imagination. Right, it's my imagination.
Exactly. All right, so let's put your
let's put your imagination to work.
If you could let go of that, would you?
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Yes, I would let go of the emotional energy that makes my
knees and my hands hurt. And if you could do it in a
breath, would that be, would that sound outlandish or
impossible? No, I don't think that would be
impossible. OK, I'm just.
Curious, might try that. So you want my take on you?
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Well, there's one other yes I would like.
That and I. Love these generative
conversation. I'm totally open for that.
The other thing, you know, and Ithink you were present on the
bench when I did the exercise, the love and oneness exercise, I
think I called it, where you write all the people's names
down of who you have issues withand you go through each one of
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them and you pick the name, close your eyes, look into their
eyes and say to them, I love youand mean it.
Our purpose is oneness and mean it.
Now that's a convenient and simple way to do that.
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And it worked wonders for me when I was first introduced to
it because I'd just gone througha divorce with a wife who'd had
affairs. And I was very angry at that and
especially all the eyes that were upon me for lies and deceit
that was told to others to coverup.
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So, and still today that's happening.
And and so, you know, the lingering effect right there
when you talk about it, I can feel there's still a little bit
charge there that I haven't quite let go yet.
And that's just because it's there, right?
You go when you start talking about the energy that brings it
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up because your attention's there.
Now, how much of it it brings updepends on your ability just to
observe it and report on it, as opposed to well or to Waller in
it. Yeah.
So. I think I was absent that day
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and I'm sad that I was absent that day because I for the past
three years, I think I've been to almost all of them, but I was
not there that. Day.
OK, well, now you got it. That's the simple one, and it is
pretty simple to do. It just takes discipline and
effort and a willingness to try it.
What do you got to lose, right? So you wanted to have a
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reflection on what I was going through?
So I don't know about in the beginning when I met you, but I
could say for at least the past year, I don't have an exact
timeline. You have a, for lack of a better
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word, a string. And the string is right here at
your solar plexus, and it's pulling your eyelids down.
And I don't know what causes your string.
I don't know what makes it hold on, but I feel that if you could
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cut those, cut those two, it's two those two strings pulling
your eyes down which creates a slight bit of darkness inside of
you. I feel like you would resolve
your issue. And that darkness to me is a
lack of confidence, not allowingmy full authentic self to be
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present because it's been retarded.
I've been a retard for a lot of years.
Right, well that's the re part. It just goes over and over
again. Otherwise you'd just be a tard.
Exactly. Yeah.
And what is a tard, Right. It's like, you know, I, I've
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always wondered what the heck or, or where alerts are, you
know, and it's like, hey, you got to be alert.
Well, what's alert, right? So I mean, crazy questions you
have when you're kids because you take things too literally.
It's like, you know, the principal that substituted for
my second grade teacher one day and I was sitting in the front
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row. Of course, last name would be
and it's I'm there and she's saying something.
I'm rolling my eyes. And she says, Mr. Benefiel, you
show me. You roll your eyes one time, I'm
going to show you the paddle. I'm like cool, right so.
Can I engrave my name on it? Yeah, exactly.
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So, you know, you got to be careful how well you listen in
the English language. The literalness can be really
hilarious at times, and yet so uncomfortable to others that,
you know, you appeal appear silly and foolish and things
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like that. And yet, you know, my mother was
an English and lit teacher and she taught me how to do those
things. So it's her fault.
I love it, right? You, you've, there's language is
so malleable and so easily played with that we could have
fun with. And yet at the same time, it can
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be turned on us to manipulate usinto things that we have no clue
that we're being manipulated into.
Right, I agree. Yeah, some people are very
charismatic and use the the language to control and
manipulate things in so many ways.
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Absolutely. And they're very believable.
Yeah, Yeah, it is. Well, it's like Howard Bloom in
his book The Lucifer Principle. And I had a a short conversation
with him. Didn't get it recorded because
it that we were doing the the prelim and he ran out of time.
And I'm like, Oh no. At any rate, the Lucifer
principle is about the scientific study of the history
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of how small groups and individuals manipulated masses
and entire populations by telling lies and repeating them
and controlling the media stream, whether it's a town cry
or the Internet. And we've fallen prey to that
today. Every.
Every single day, Every single day.
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It is absolutely amazing to me how fast misinformation and
different disinformation, it spreads.
I mean, it spreads like wildfire, and all wildfire does
is cause destruction, Yeah. It's.
Can we learn? Yeah.
I mean, well, some people can learn from that, but you can
tell somebody the truth 100 times.
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But in when it's already in their brain 'cause they read it
on social media, it's really hard to dispel that.
It really is, and yet it's possible and arduous and yet can
be fun when you're not attached to the outcome and you're doing
it just because you love doing it.
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Right. Yeah, well, I can give you a
perfect example of something that's not threatening to
anybody whatsoever. I mean, Ken is a master
beekeeper and he's been doing itfor 20 years.
He has an amazing amount of knowledge about bees and
beekeeping and honey and all kinds of stuff.
And when I was first doing some research just to write little
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sections of my book that talk about him and the bees and
everything like that, I came to him and he was like, where did
you get this information? And I'm like, oh, from the
Internet. And he's like, this isn't right.
And I was like, well, but I found it on like 5 different
sources. Like, you know, like, you know,
like I wasn't arguing with him that it was right.
But I was like, how can I spend an entire day doing research
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about bees and beekeeping only to find out that probably half
of what I, quote UN quote, learned was, was wrong?
You know, And like, it wasn't hurting him.
It wasn't hurting me. But if I wouldn't have known
that, and I would have put it inmy book anyway, I would have
just published something that was completely wrong.
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And and that's OK And and. Whoever was proofreading it,
yeah, whoever was proofreading it, editing it, they would have
looked it up and go, oh, that's right, yeah, 'cause the facts
right here, but it's not even a real fact.
Right, Yeah, it's out there now how and, and this is the the
challenge that we have. Hopefully AI will be able to
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help us out a little bit more because it doesn't have any
emotions and it can get to the facts quicker.
And yet we've got to be able to point it in the right direction
and and understand the parameters of the kinds of
algorithms for lack of the better to discover the truth,
you know, and even today is like99%.
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So I've talked to hundreds of people, right?
Probably 99% of them, if not greater, believe that the the
apocalypse means the catastrophic end of the world,
right? Right.
Doesn't mean that at all. The Greek word from which it
comes means uncovering knowledge.
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Total opposite. Well, now it could be that
uncovering the truth about things could be the catastrophic
destruction of their worlds. Yes, yes, exactly.
And maybe so soon, we don't knowyet.
However, there is this deep diveand you know, Musk's part of it.
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He wants the he wants the open availability of everything to be
examined. The transparency, the truth will
prevail through that if you're willing to look at everything
with that eye and the observer, not necessarily the finger
pointer, because then you got three of them coming back at
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you, so you better have your effects straight, right?
And I got long nails, so that could hurt.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right.
Speaking of hurting, we're, we're like almost out of time
and this has just been so wonderful.
Amy. Yeah, I I really appreciate your
sharings and your reflection on my strings.
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Right, we don't go around telling people you got strings
on your eyes so. But I'm glad you asked.
Well, and you had the information I was vulnerable
enough to share my what I'm experiencing, not necessarily
the answers for it and yet what I thought might be true.
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And then you just added to that as part of of you're sharing and
and you know, we talk about this, boil it down to loving and
being loved, right? That's the place that you share
the deepest truths from that connection, interconnectedness.
And when you're willing to be there, others can see it and
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reflect from that place. Because what why I am another
you just as just as you or another me.
That's my opening in LA Catch, right?
And we don't understand that because we're too individuated
and competitive still, and that's OK.
And yet in order for us all to get along and work together as a
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society, as a planetary civilization, we've got to move
past that. We've got to collaborate.
How do you see that happening? Because I know you can keep an
eye on things, I I think. That at least in the United
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States, I can't speak for other countries, we are so far apart.
And that was the plan. The plan was to take us apart.
It took away our families, it took away our friends, it took
away our communities and pushed us in complete opposite
directions. And in order for that healing to
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take place, there is going to have to be a lot of truth
spoken. But it's it's.
Going to take a long time for any amount of truth.
One way or the? Other to prevail because of how
much untruth has been spoken or one sided truth and it make it
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honestly makes me really sad because I feel like I feel like
when I was younger so that wouldbe like the 70s and the 80s.
I could be wrong but I feel like.
Or maybe it was just simply my location.
I feel like we were closer to that.
I feel like if even if you had opposing views, at the end of
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the day you were still friends. And now today I feel like if you
have opposing views, you're likecomplete enemies and that set of
boundaries, right? Yeah.
And and it's sad. It's sad what all of this
turmoil has done to all of us, and I honestly have no idea what
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it's going to take. But I'm hoping that I can at
least affect a few people, the people who encounter me, my
book, my retreat. I hope that I will be able to
help them reconcile whatever their differences are, whatever
there are ailments are, whateverkind of adversity they've gone
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through so that they can find peace within themselves and
progress into the person that they're meant to be.
That's perfect. And it is an individual effort.
The collective will change because the individuals have.
Yes, I believe that it happens. No other way.
You know, you've got to love yourself first before you can
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love another. Yeah, my next book.
Is actually it's called Alexander and it's all about how
you fall in love and stay in love with the worst parts of
yourself which ultimately progress your reason for being
here that's. That is a wonderful gift to end
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our conversation with. Thank you.
Oh, Amy, thank you so much. For being a part of our
apocalyptic chats, it's not the end of the world then, no.
No, I'm going to cut those strings, right?
I'm going to cut those strings. So I'm no longer bothered.
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Thank you again. Amy, thank you.
Namaste and in LA Cats and thanks for sticking with us for
this episode of One World and A New World.
I'm your host, Zen Benefiel, andour guest has been Amy Almeido,
and I will see you next time.
Namaste and in La Ketch and welcome to this episode of One
World in a New World. I'm your host, Zen Benefiel.
And this week's guest is Amy Almido.
She is an amazing woman. She's an author of White Heron,
a creation story. She's building a retreat in the
woods. She's had multiple opportunities
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to be interesting to discuss andfollow her journey into
shamanism. So stick around.
I've known Amy for a couple of years or several years as part
of the Friendship Bench and Biz Catalyst 360 as an author, and
I'm sure you're going to enjoy this conversation.
So stick around, we'll be right back.
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Amy, it's so great to have you here.
I've been looking forward to this conversation.
I really enjoyed our little gatherings that we've had over
the years with the Friendship Bench and I want to dive deeper.
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Thanks for being with us. Oh, absolutely, yeah.
I think I'm pretty sure I've known you for three years
because I got a little message saying that I had been on the
bench for three years. So I guess that's where we met.
And I think I think we have a lot of things in common which
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maybe the the rest of the world may or may not have in common.
So it'll be interesting to find out more.
Yeah, we're a, we're a the weirdelk and I appreciate that.
Absolutely. Speaking of the weird elk ilk,
could be an elk. We'll see if we, if we grow any
antlers, right. So in these conversations that I
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have with others like you and thought leaders around the
world, we talk about the inner and outer experiences and
focusing on the, the awareness that we're really bereft of
having those inner conversationswith others for fear that we'll
be rejected in some way and not be able to fully express
ourselves authentically. And, and that's really a shame.
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Now since COVID took place, a lot of these, the listening has
shifted and people are curious, they're asking questions and are
diving deeper. So in that deep dive, I'd like
to ask you, how did you first become aware that there was more
to this life than just the physicality and that other
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things are involved And there's a sense of interconnectedness in
that? I've actually always known that,
but like you said, you keep it asecret.
When I was young, I had a lot ofdifferent experiences that led
me to believe that there was more than what we were learning.
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But you know, when you communicated to other people,
they just look at you like, OK, you're super weird and so.
Well, and you think there, you think it's normal too, right?
Because you're right. As a little.
Kid, you think it's? Normal.
Yeah. As a little kid, when you
experience something or see something or say something or
feel something, you can think, oh everybody else does this, you
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know? But then when you say it to
everybody else, they just look at you like you have like 3
heads or something. Absolutely.
You know, I kept quite till I was a teenager, as you probably
did too. And then once you start open
your mouth, people go, oh, wait a minute, he's weird, right?
Even when you're, you know, really interconnected with the
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people around you, your friends,your classmates, and you know,
they know you well, but they don't know you well.
Exactly. And I've always had a way of,
I've tried to actually perfect the art of sounding very
neutral, you know, like for world events or politics or
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people, you know, doing things. I, my family is split on both
sides of everything. I mean, and they're, they're not
like a little bit split. They're like one's way over here
and the other one's way over there.
So I always had AI always had myown way of expressing agreement
with certain parts of what they were saying.
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So they automatically thought I agreed with everything that they
were saying because I agreed with certain parts even though I
rejected certain parts. I just didn't necessarily bring
that into the conversation. Yeah.
He acknowledged the commonality rather than the differences.
Right, which is how I view wisdom, which has, which is what
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has brought me here is I had this, I had this knowledge and I
had this wisdom and you know, I had a lot of education, I had a
lot of life experiences, but I can only share certain parts of
myself with certain people. Like maybe Group A knew this
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part of Amy and group Group B knew this part of Amy and Group
C knew this part of Amy. And I, I was being authentic.
I was being authentically Amy. I just showed different versions
of myself to these people because I felt like if I showed,
oh, here's all of Amy, like you said, I was gonna get rejected.
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Like, you know, like I played sports.
So when I played sports, I was 100% being Amy.
But when you talk about sports and that you saw you had some
type of spiritual enlightenment,they're like, where's the ball?
You know, like right, Right. Right.
And that that's the the confusing thing about this early
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adulthood and the teenage experience when you're having
these things happen to you and there are those around you that
you do, you know, you travel many social circles, right?
And in high school especially, there's all these different
cliques and that you, because of, I'm guessing, did you find
that at in your neutral place that you were able to transcend
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the differences and, and kind ofnot necessarily waltz through,
but dance through the different social circles?
I did. I had a lot of different friends
in very different social circlesmy whole life.
And it wasn't till I was in my 40s where I'm like, whatever,
I'm just going to get all these people together.
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And actually, when I was 45 years old, I had a birthday
party. And I thought I must have been
crazy or something because I invited all different types of
friends from different social circles to the same party.
And I thought, could God help me?
And so I set up my house so thatpeople had to walk around.
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They had to meet each other. They had to talk, you know,
like, like I had some artisan pizza out out, way out in the
thing. So if you wanted to order your
pizza, you went out there. And then I had like cool beer
brewing things and another portion on my porch.
And then I had appetizers in thekitchen and I had wine and
cheese in the dining room. And I had, you know, so if you
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wanted to eat different things or drink different things, you
had to speak to other people. And it was cool because people
are like, oh, who are you? Oh, I've heard your name before.
Oh, she really likes you. You're cool.
You're friends for a long time. And it was.
The fact that you invited them there gave them at least a point
of reference of which they couldall feel common with and
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grateful toward, as well as caring.
Right? Because these are friends that
obviously care about and they care about you.
Did you find that in, in doing that?
I'm fascinated by, I love to do this kind of stuff too.
It's like grab a bunch of peoplefrom different arenas.
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And, and I, I found my work withpartnering and construction
projects doing that as well. Because there's different
ethnicities involved that bring in different cultural value
systems that you have to navigate, at least be aware of.
And did you find that? How did you find out?
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Were they able to? As a result, were you able to
open up a bit more in your circles than you had before?
Well, what I found, well, so number one, I grew up in
Maryland, right outside of Washington, DC, So experiencing
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different cultures is just your way of life.
That's just the way it is. And so, and I've learned that
when you move out of those areas, that's not the way that
it is. And so I think being around a
diversity of people and culturesand religions and foods, I think
that's normal. And when you put me in a a very
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in a culture where there's one type of people and one type of
food and 1:00. Type of food with nothing but
white people I grew up. And like please stop boring me
to death I can't handle it like.You know, you know, I, I
couldn't wait to leave and I couldn't figure out how until it
happened and I was able to and wow, what a freedom, right?
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Because that in those small environments, there are small
minds and they don't look at at those intrinsic values in having
a diverse experience or or diverse friends, right?
Well, and that's one thing that I've learned.
So I bought a 10 acre reforestedfarm pretty much in the middle
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of nowhere. And I thought, what in the hell
am I doing? I'm from, you know, I'm from the
suburbs, I've lived in the city.I, you know, but I love hiking,
I love nature, I love all of these things.
And, you know, buying 10 acres of land in the middle of the
city is just not going to happen.
I just don't happen to have an extra $10 million laying around.
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And so I bought it out there andas I tell people my purpose and
as I, as people see who I am andthe, the work that I'm putting
into my land, I'm I've, I've already created almost 2 miles
of nature trails by hand. And these people come out and
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they see what I'm doing and I ask a lot of questions.
So the commonalities I see between different groups of
people of their socioeconomic status, their culture, their
religions, I ask everybody, whatdo you think?
You know, I'm building this bridge.
What do you think? What do you think and what do
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you think? So by the time I get four or
five supposedly expert opinions,I have a really great way to
bring it all together and drive the project forward because
everybody has valuable input. But you know, the type of wood
you're using, who cuts the wood when you put the wood up, what
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kind of screws you use, what kind of drainage you have
underneath, all of those things are all super important to
building a bridge. And that bridge has been a, it's
been a huge metaphor because it's in the middle.
So I have two types of land out there.
I have sort of, I have sort of aloblolly pine forest with some
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other trees in there. And then I have a forested
wetland that has all kinds of really cool stuff in there.
And so they're, they're, they'redifferent.
So I can't even ask the same questions to the same people.
And, you know, and most people'sresponses will cut it down.
And I'm like, yeah, right. I'm not cutting it down.
I bought this on purpose, you know, like, but when you know
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what? And you mentioned that that's
just the the oddest thing that you hear, 'cause we don't, you
and I do. But a lot of people don't think
about, well, what's the why are you doing this and what's the
effect going to be? And are you removing things in
the way of your ego, or are you just not understanding what
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nature is really all about? Right.
And you know, I, I have hiked through nature.
I used to hike 20 or 30 miles a week before my third car
accident. And so now I don't do that
anymore, but I'm working my way back to it.
So I love nature. I've observed nature and I've,
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I've, I've been through all, allthrough Maryland, Pennsylvania,
Virginia. I've been all through the South,
Georgia, North Carolina, Alabama, Tennessee, and then I
went all through Hawaii, different parts of Hawaii and
Texas. So I've observed a lot of really
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cool stuff in nature and the ways different people do things.
And there are some indigenous practices that are amazing and
there's some modern practices that are amazing.
And so if I combine both forms of knowledge, I feel like I'm
gonna optimize what I'm doing. Have I ever done this before?
Absolutely not. But when I'm out there, I
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listen. I listen to my heart, and I also
listen to nature. If I'm like, should I go this
way or should I go that way? There's always some type of
little creature that shows up that says that way.
I don't know what it is. I don't know why there's like,
there's this hog. You.
Do right I? I I would beg the difference.
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You do know why and, and you know, you mentioned your
accidents, you've been through several.
You've passed so close to death on several occasions that you
could reach out and touch it. I should have died five times.
OK, even more right. So this makes it even more
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imperative. Why do you think you were
spared? I still have a lot of work I
need to do in the world. I've always known I wanted to be
a healer and mistakenly when I was young I thought I wanted to
be a doctor. And then I found out that
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doctors are all about unhealth. And I was, yes, they manage your
unhealth quite well. And I actually, in the past
year, I couldn't figure out whatwas wrong with me.
And I've spent over $20,000 and I've been to a million different
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types of specialists. I've had every kind of test you
can imagine. And their conclusion is that
they don't know what's wrong with me.
And this is has nothing to do with a car accident or a
respiratory illness or any of these other things.
This is all. What are those symptoms for
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management? Then what, what if you don't
mind me, you know, I, I understand some vulnerable
territory here. I and, and I hope you trust me
to take you there. When you peel back the layers,
what are the the symptoms that you're experiencing?
All of my joints swell up as if I've sprained them, so sometimes
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they're big, sometimes they're small.
But the pain and the swelling never leaves my joints.
It might be in my knees, it might be in my feet, it might be
in my hands or my neck or my back.
So it doesn't actually leave. And every doctor that I've gone
to, so I'll be 54 in a couple ofweeks, and every doctor that I
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have gone to said, oh, you're perfectly happy.
There's no need for any more follow up.
You're just old and you're goingto have to get used to this.
Yeah. Well, there's some choice words.
There's some choice words for those people.
Do you mind if we we dive a little deeper?
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Why do you why do you think on an 'cause I know maybe before we
we go into this, let's talk about how you got, I don't want
to say diverted. You got nudged into exploring
the inner world of shamanism fora time really went some deep
places. What did it teach you?
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What did you learn? Well, and it's not that I didn't
know these things, but it helps put words to what you think you
know. Yeah.
There's certain base knowledge Ithink we all have, we just don't
know how to articulate it. Right.
So throughout my I've had three,two car accidents.
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The third accident, I was actually hit by a car while I
was walking and then I had a respiratory illness and then I
had COVID. And I've lived through all of
this. And the reason I lived through
all of it was because I've always been determined to be a
very happy and healthy person. So when you when you experience
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adversity, you experience the physical adversity and then you
experience the emotional adversity.
And the emotional adversity always goes to the weakest part
of your body, and that's the poison which could.
Be in the. Right.
So without getting into any typeof political or health
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discussion, in 2000, the end of 2018, I was forced to ingest
poison and subsequently I was sick for 18 months, felt like I
had pneumonia and I was blamed for being sick from my former
employer. So I I was forced to take the
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poison. Then I was blamed for the
effects of the of the poison andand then I left my job.
And then about 3 or 4 months after I left my job is when
COVID shut down the world and I literally thought like OK God,
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did you really have to shut downthe world in order to make me
leave Maryland? I was like, I know I'm a little
bit stubborn but this is over the top.
Maybe others were in that place too.
And and yeah, there's a wake up call for sure.
You know, the sequestration and the the capability of self
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examination for many at that time was ever present and some
did. Right.
I'm sure you're one of them, obviously now in that back into
the journey into shamanism, the the the learning that took place
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there, did that give you a bit more understanding of how this
energy works within you? Yeah, so I actually went to Peru
so that I could experience the art of shamanism where where it
originated. So my shaman was in practice
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since he was 12 years old and hewas in his 70s when I worked
with him. And he had a long lineage of
that his family had lived in Peru for I think, four or five
generations. And one member of his family
always went into Catholicism andthe other member of his family,
you know, at the at the at the right age, went into shamanism
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so that their family was continuously blended.
So I didn't feel like I was somehow turning my back on, I
mean, I grew up Catholic, My children went to Catholic
school. I wasn't turning my back on it.
I was broadening my perspective on what I think, what I think
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spirituality is. And I think that there are
amazing lessons in Christianity,but there's also amazing lessons
in every other religion because of the commonalities that I
spoke of a little while ago. And so originally I just thought
I had a really cool imagination.When I was in ceremony.
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I was like, wow, my imagination rocks.
This is so cool. Like, I wish I could tell people
this stuff, but if I tell peoplethis stuff, they just think I'm
really strange anyway, So whatever, I'm not, I'm just
going to keep it to myself. I mean, I told a couple of my
friends and they were like, well, that's nice.
Same. You know, and.
Yeah, what are they going to say?
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You know, I, I know, you know, for me, I, I had same experience
that I started pre Med program in college.
Then I realized, you know, 21st and second quarter.
And. I was distraught and and just
distraught and and I hit my knees, prayed to know what truth
was, was willing to die for it. And the following week did and
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then realized, oh, we're all cut.
You know, in my, the what I gaveup my life in the belief of
because the question I was askedwas are you willing to die for
what you believe in? Right.
So that gets you to question, OK, what do I believe in?
My first thought was Christ consciousness and, and it was a
little empty and I didn't question it.
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He just moved on. And then the second one was
cosmic consciousness. Well, and I said yes because it
felt full and I didn't understand why at the time.
Turns out well that we are cosmic consciousness condensed
into form and fully manifested, that is Christ consciousness.
Yes, it is. Absolutely.
So, but we got to understand theformless and the form, right?
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And, and the differentiation between the two.
And in the shamanistic realms, there's more worlds than we can
even imagine that it, that we'reintroduced to most people.
It, it's like a fantasy world, like the imagination, right?
And yet there is this interaction.
And once you have it, you begin noticing the subtleties of that
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continued interaction in your life.
Do you notice that? Yes.
And to back up a little bit, when I found out it wasn't my
imagination when 12 people, whenfive of the 12 people in the
room saw and experienced exactlywhat I experienced, I thought,
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OK, this is my imagination, please butt out.
But I thought this campaign, I'mlike, hello, you're just passing
my imagination. I don't want to pass the ball.
Let me shoot. Yeah, I'm like, Oh my gosh, if
all these other people saw exactly what I saw and
experienced exactly what I well,maybe not exactly, but, you
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know, to an extent. Close enough.
In their own descriptions. We've all got different words
for describing the same thing. Yeah, but I saw my shaman's
spirits. I saw three of his spirits that
taught him when he was a child, and I saw them and I simply
thought it was my imagination. And then four other people
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described these exact same entities in the exact same
locations wearing these same garments.
And I kept it to myself. And about 3 weeks later, I asked
another woman in the group, wereyou sitting over by the
bathroom? And she smiled at me and she
said, no, I was not. And I was like, so you weren't
sitting by the bathroom with a Shaw on you?
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No, I was not. That's that's Teo's grandmother.
And I thought, oh, OK then. All right.
And she said he she passed away when he was a child, but she
came to the ceremony to help me.And that was that right there.
Completely shifted my oh, this must be my imagination to know
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this is real. This is real and and and and my
interpretation. Another set of questions.
Yes, yeah. And so each and every time I, so
for the next 7 years, I worked with the same group of people in
the same shaman and he LED us and he guided us like this is,
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this is what you need to learn. This is what you need to focus
on. And it wasn't like a textbook.
It wasn't like, here's ABCD. It was like before ceremony and
after ceremony, we would, we would speak about things and you
could ask questions. And sometimes it was difficult
to understand him 'cause he spoke Kechman, he spoke Spanish,
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and he spoke English, and all ofthose languages don't
necessarily translate the same way.
And he had a pretty thick accent, you know, So a lot of it
was open to my own interpretation, which was my
work. It was my work to figure these
things out and how I interpret something, and my work doesn't
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necessarily match the next person or the next person.
Well, that's the thing about cosmic consciousness and our
connectedness to it. It, it is infinite intelligence
basically specific to us individually.
And so that congruence, that stream of consciousness that's
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available when we're open and, and in inquiry, then it shares
what's understandable to us in that moment.
It doesn't mean we understand all of it.
And yet, have you noticed that over the time that passes beyond
that, that there's elements of it that come back into your
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consciousness for a moment with another little nugget?
Yeah, so, so like, for example, I watched him.
There was a woman who had fallenout of a burning building and
she was totally crushed. So in this other realm, I
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watched him open her up, do whatever he did with a room full
of spirits and so her back together again.
But the wasn't real threat. It was just like this glowing
white light. And I watched it.
And did that correlate to my life?
Yeah, it did. I worked in a hospital, so it
made complete sense to me. If I would have worked somewhere
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else, maybe I would have described it a different another
way. It's kind of evidence of the
psychic surgeons we've heard about in the Philippines that
have been doing this stuff for along time.
Yeah. So, you know, a few years ago
when I felt like I didn't actually fall out of a burning
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building, I felt like I had beenpushed out of a burning building
by three people I really trusted.
You know, it was like a metaphor.
And I felt, I felt wounded and Ithought, well, how can I, how
can I perform that own surgery on myself?
And how can I look at myself? Because that was one thing he
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taught us to do is when we walk back and forth in our timelines,
look to see which part of the body is weak or small or
mutated. So I did part of the ceremony by
myself. And so I went and stood in front
of the mirror and I was like, OK, I was like, hey, look, my
arm is not the right way and hey, this isn't the right way.
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And all right, I'm like, am I doing this the right way?
I just have no clue. I.
Don't know what I'm doing, but I'm gonna do it anyway.
Right. I was like, I have no clue what
I'm doing. So I went back out and I laid on
the sofa and I meditated myself.I, I envisioned the sofa to be a
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surgery table. I know what they look like.
I know what's around them. I, I worked in a simulation
center in the hospital. So all of my surgeries were
simulated. Anyway, I was like, hey, one
more simulation way to go and and I felt there.
Are those that say, you know, welive in a simulation and you
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know, Tom Campbell's a big proponent of that and that our
avatars have ultimate power. The Vedas that you've heard me
mention this on the bench before, that the Vedas that are
15,000 years old and the essenceof them say we're all divinely
divine threads Incarnate, if youwill, connected to source and
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capable of God consciousness. Now what's that really mean,
right? We're capable of everything that
we need to do for ourselves, including create the reality one
and to be able to heal ourselves.
And that is where the white Heron came from because through
the 2 1/2 years where I was healing in salt, essential
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solitude, not total solitude. I do live in the world, but I
was, I had as much solitude as Icould possibly have.
And I hiked down to the river every day and I found fossils
that were over 30 million years old every day by myself.
And I didn't tell anybody where they were.
And I came home and I tried to identify them and I did all
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these, these cool things. And I thought, you know what?
There isn't anything wrong with me 'cause I, I felt like that
little girl. I felt like that little girl
that was so like, that was supersmart.
And I'm not being arrogant like,but I was, I, I, I was like
really smart and I was. Music, right?
The there are super smart people.
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That doesn't mean that we alwaysappear that way.
Right. Yeah, Yeah.
But it took me back to that little girl that I was filled
with curiosity, not knowing, notknowing that, like you said,
like as little kids, we think everybody's like this.
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So in academics. You said BE as little children,
right? You?
There's no distinction there. The naivety, an innocence of a
child knows no boundaries and has No Fear.
Mm hmm. And when I was down at,
ironically at the Cape Fear River, appropriately named.
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By Segway there, huh? It is a treacherous river.
If you get caught down there during when the tide's coming
in, you will lose your life. Like the sound of the tide
changes and the white herons arethere and, and the white Heron
was guiding me like whenever I would be like, oh, and I'd be so
frustrated, like I want to quit.I want to walk away.
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I just want to go back and be a normal person and get a normal
job and have a normal life. And it was like, yeah, thanks
for the vote of confidence then,you know.
Well, I know you know, we're both the same.
We find ways to integrate and befunctional and have the things
that we need, but we're not slaves to the system any longer.
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No. And when I one thing that
concerned me was that when I bought my farm, it's about 1/2
an hour out. So while I'm still in the Cape
Fear region, I'm not on the river anymore.
So right now where I am, I'm kind of where the river and the
ocean come together. So there's all kinds of birds
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and tides and sounds and smells and out there it's totally
different. And that's when I mentioned the
hawk came and, and there was the, there's these Hawks that
live right behind where my houseis being built.
And there's these like I saw these cool little green snakes
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that are just a few inches long.And there's all kinds of like
lizards and bird, like just everything you can imagine.
And I'm out there, you know, working my butt off and the
bugs, you know, and lots of bugs.
And but they're all, they're alllike saying pay attention, pay
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attention, pay attention. And then I was speaking to
another person that another teacher that I've met because I
feel like I exhausted all of my learning with my previous
shaman. I worked with him for seven
years and I felt like my time was done.
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And in the last few years, I've been in search of my next
teacher. And I found my next teacher.
And one of the first things thathe said to me was that I had a
hawk sitting on my head. And I thought, he doesn't know
about the hawk at my house. He doesn't know about any of
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these things. And everywhere I go, I.
Would presume that, and yet whenyou enter those worlds, there's
nothing hidden. Yeah, when you connect with
people that know, not only know how to experience, live in those
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experiences, it's like you feel things from them and you see
things from them and you don't know.
I mean, when you're sitting there speaking to somebody and
you just have idle chitchat, youdon't know who they are or what
their life experiences are. But I didn't have a name for
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whatever this thing is. But it's like, I guess probably
the easiest, most watered down way to explain it would be my
intuition. And so my intuition, my hawk
pays attention to everything allthe time, hears everything.
I don't even have very good hearing for my car accidents.
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I can't see very well. I can't hear very well, but I
hear things that don't necessarily other people don't
hear, and I see things that other people don't necessarily
see, and the hawk is what helps me.
That's awesome. And and you know, when we do
have adversities that diminish some of our senses, it activates
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others. And if we don't have that, we
generally don't find the the path to the that multi sensory
device known as our body all kinds of ways of absorbing
information and relating it backto us in order for us to be more
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interconnected with it. How did you find in this
movement as you're, you're speaking about the energy, the
flow, being able to heal yourself, being able to see
yourself in that condition wherethe healing's necessary, first
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of all. And so you're looking to find
out why your bursal sacs are awry, right?
Well, ultimately, because Joyce smell and it's so right in these
times and I I, this is a curiousquestion because I experiencing
some things that I don't normally experience.
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You know, when we've had a lot of these 5D people right that
say, oh, we're having a dimensional shift.
I, I, I don't see the earth going to be, you know, splitting
and becoming another world that no, that's not happening.
Although there are dimensional vibrational shifts, subtle that
can be felt by some. And I turned out to be one of
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those. Now recently there's another
ship that's taking place that may be partially due because
we're conduits, right? We're sensitive in different
ways, and yet we're all are sensitive to the same things,
the same energy. This the one in each of us that
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expresses differently right in our individuation.
So I've been experiencing this pressure in between my solar
plexus and my heart, and it ebbsand flows depending on how I'm
able to understand and respond to the energy in the moment that
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feels constrained or conflicted that love, fear, balance and
dance, right? And I, I know that I'm highly
sensitive to much larger than myown personal energy, as I, I've
found that out over 40 years of experiences questioning, you
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know, am I really, am I crazy? Oh, I can't question.
You know, it's hard to deny yourown personal direct experience
and how you interpret that. And if you're wrong and you keep
asking about it, well, the correct interpretation is
eventually going to come forth and you're going to feel it
resonate in your body when it happens.
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Do you find that to be true? Yeah, absolutely.
I forgot to mention that I was adelicate flower.
Well, at least you're not deflowered, right?
Such I, since I am such a delicate flower, I do experience
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all different types of energies and I always have.
I mean, I, I feel, I feel light,I feel dark, I feel anger, I
feel happy. I feel, I feel all different
types of things from people. And I have to consciously try to
cut some of those things off if I feel that they're burdening
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me. I mean, obviously, yeah,
obviously if I love the person and I feel that they have a
certain feeling, I'm not going to cut them off.
But, you know, the person at therestaurant or the person walking
down the street or some random person, you know, asking, you
know, calling out for help. I can't help everybody in the
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world that needs help #1. I don't have the wherewithal to
do that. And #2 they need.
There's a lot of people who don't want to help themselves.
And if if people want to help themselves, I'm more than happy
to help show them the way. But it's not my responsibility
to heal them. Right, right.
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And you know, The thing is it, it seems anyway where your
attention is attracted to, right?
And this is a natural process. Sometimes we don't even have a
control. It's just all of a sudden, it's
like walking into room and meeting someone's eyes.
You don't have control of that. That's energy, and that's a
connection between the two of you.
Absolutely. Right.
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So in that understanding, is it possible that there is some
somewhere that there is A and I'm asking this, 'cause I, I'm
asking myself too, is there something I'm missing?
Am am I resisting something or not clear on something where I'm
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diminishing the flow that's capable through me as a being
that's conscious and aware of that?
Well, I would say for me to answer that question for myself,
I have, I have some anger that Ihaven't reconciled in my life,
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which is most likely in my opinion, why I feel the majority
of my pain in my knees and my hands.
And I yeah, it does. And I'm trying to reconcile that
anger, but it's like I said, when the people that you love
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and trust most in your life, when those are the people who
hurt you, that you know, the pain doesn't go away easily.
I mean, if some some Co worker hurts you or somebody you, you
just casually know if they hurt you, it might, it might make you
upset for a few days or whatever.
But when people that you've known since you've came into
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this world completely. Yeah.
Well, I, no, I haven't been married for quite some time.
And my boyfriend's awesome. So.
But no, there's other people in my life that I have known for
either my entire life or their entire life that have completely
hurt me. And it you just don't get over
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it like today or tomorrow. It takes it takes time.
If you even can get over it all together.
That's. That's one belief I happen to
feel that that getting over can happen in an instant.
You just have to choose to let it go.
And that's a tough thing to do because it's so embedded and
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present and and familiar. Right.
And it's, it's emotional energy.Well.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Now if you could let it go,
would you? Most of those people, Most.
No, I mean just the energy, the the the, the constraint of
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energy that it brings into your body.
Could you let go of that? I think so.
Your imagination. Right, it's my imagination.
Exactly. All right, so let's put your
let's put your imagination to work.
If you could let go of that, would you?
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Yes, I would let go of the emotional energy that makes my
knees and my hands hurt. And if you could do it in a
breath, would that be, would that sound outlandish or
impossible? No, I don't think that would be
impossible. OK, I'm just.
Curious, might try that. So you want my take on you?
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Well, there's one other yes I would like.
That and I. Love these generative
conversation. I'm totally open for that.
The other thing, you know, and Ithink you were present on the
bench when I did the exercise, the love and oneness exercise, I
think I called it, where you write all the people's names
down of who you have issues withand you go through each one of
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them and you pick the name, close your eyes, look into their
eyes and say to them, I love youand mean it.
Our purpose is oneness and mean it.
Now that's a convenient and simple way to do that.
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And it worked wonders for me when I was first introduced to
it because I'd just gone througha divorce with a wife who'd had
affairs. And I was very angry at that and
especially all the eyes that were upon me for lies and deceit
that was told to others to coverup.
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So, and still today that's happening.
And and so, you know, the lingering effect right there
when you talk about it, I can feel there's still a little bit
charge there that I haven't quite let go yet.
And that's just because it's there, right?
You go when you start talking about the energy that brings it
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up because your attention's there.
Now, how much of it it brings updepends on your ability just to
observe it and report on it, as opposed to well or to Waller in
it. Yeah.
So. I think I was absent that day
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and I'm sad that I was absent that day because I for the past
three years, I think I've been to almost all of them, but I was
not there that. Day.
OK, well, now you got it. That's the simple one, and it is
pretty simple to do. It just takes discipline and
effort and a willingness to try it.
What do you got to lose, right? So you wanted to have a
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reflection on what I was going through?
So I don't know about in the beginning when I met you, but I
could say for at least the past year, I don't have an exact
timeline. You have a, for lack of a better
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word, a string. And the string is right here at
your solar plexus, and it's pulling your eyelids down.
And I don't know what causes your string.
I don't know what makes it hold on, but I feel that if you could
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cut those, cut those two, it's two those two strings pulling
your eyes down which creates a slight bit of darkness inside of
you. I feel like you would resolve
your issue. And that darkness to me is a
lack of confidence, not allowingmy full authentic self to be
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present because it's been retarded.
I've been a retard for a lot of years.
Right, well that's the re part. It just goes over and over
again. Otherwise you'd just be a tard.
Exactly. Yeah.
And what is a tard, Right. It's like, you know, I, I've
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always wondered what the heck or, or where alerts are, you
know, and it's like, hey, you got to be alert.
Well, what's alert, right? So I mean, crazy questions you
have when you're kids because you take things too literally.
It's like, you know, the principal that substituted for
my second grade teacher one day and I was sitting in the front
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row. Of course, last name would be
and it's I'm there and she's saying something.
I'm rolling my eyes. And she says, Mr. Benefiel, you
show me. You roll your eyes one time, I'm
going to show you the paddle. I'm like cool, right so.
Can I engrave my name on it? Yeah, exactly.
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So, you know, you got to be careful how well you listen in
the English language. The literalness can be really
hilarious at times, and yet so uncomfortable to others that,
you know, you appeal appear silly and foolish and things
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like that. And yet, you know, my mother was
an English and lit teacher and she taught me how to do those
things. So it's her fault.
I love it, right? You, you've, there's language is
so malleable and so easily played with that we could have
fun with. And yet at the same time, it can
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be turned on us to manipulate usinto things that we have no clue
that we're being manipulated into.
Right, I agree. Yeah, some people are very
charismatic and use the the language to control and
manipulate things in so many ways.
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Absolutely. And they're very believable.
Yeah, Yeah, it is. Well, it's like Howard Bloom in
his book The Lucifer Principle. And I had a a short conversation
with him. Didn't get it recorded because
it that we were doing the the prelim and he ran out of time.
And I'm like, Oh no. At any rate, the Lucifer
principle is about the scientific study of the history
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of how small groups and individuals manipulated masses
and entire populations by telling lies and repeating them
and controlling the media stream, whether it's a town cry
or the Internet. And we've fallen prey to that
today. Every.
Every single day, Every single day.
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It is absolutely amazing to me how fast misinformation and
different disinformation, it spreads.
I mean, it spreads like wildfire, and all wildfire does
is cause destruction, Yeah. It's.
Can we learn? Yeah.
I mean, well, some people can learn from that, but you can
tell somebody the truth 100 times.
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But in when it's already in their brain 'cause they read it
on social media, it's really hard to dispel that.
It really is, and yet it's possible and arduous and yet can
be fun when you're not attached to the outcome and you're doing
it just because you love doing it.
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Right. Yeah, well, I can give you a
perfect example of something that's not threatening to
anybody whatsoever. I mean, Ken is a master
beekeeper and he's been doing itfor 20 years.
He has an amazing amount of knowledge about bees and
beekeeping and honey and all kinds of stuff.
And when I was first doing some research just to write little
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sections of my book that talk about him and the bees and
everything like that, I came to him and he was like, where did
you get this information? And I'm like, oh, from the
Internet. And he's like, this isn't right.
And I was like, well, but I found it on like 5 different
sources. Like, you know, like, you know,
like I wasn't arguing with him that it was right.
But I was like, how can I spend an entire day doing research
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about bees and beekeeping only to find out that probably half
of what I, quote UN quote, learned was, was wrong?
You know, And like, it wasn't hurting him.
It wasn't hurting me. But if I wouldn't have known
that, and I would have put it inmy book anyway, I would have
just published something that was completely wrong.
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And and that's OK And and. Whoever was proofreading it,
yeah, whoever was proofreading it, editing it, they would have
looked it up and go, oh, that's right, yeah, 'cause the facts
right here, but it's not even a real fact.
Right, Yeah, it's out there now how and, and this is the the
challenge that we have. Hopefully AI will be able to
(53:02):
help us out a little bit more because it doesn't have any
emotions and it can get to the facts quicker.
And yet we've got to be able to point it in the right direction
and and understand the parameters of the kinds of
algorithms for lack of the better to discover the truth,
you know, and even today is like99%.
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So I've talked to hundreds of people, right?
Probably 99% of them, if not greater, believe that the the
apocalypse means the catastrophic end of the world,
right? Right.
Doesn't mean that at all. The Greek word from which it
comes means uncovering knowledge.
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Total opposite. Well, now it could be that
uncovering the truth about things could be the catastrophic
destruction of their worlds. Yes, yes, exactly.
And maybe so soon, we don't knowyet.
However, there is this deep diveand you know, Musk's part of it.
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He wants the he wants the open availability of everything to be
examined. The transparency, the truth will
prevail through that if you're willing to look at everything
with that eye and the observer, not necessarily the finger
pointer, because then you got three of them coming back at
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you, so you better have your effects straight, right?
And I got long nails, so that could hurt.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right.
Speaking of hurting, we're, we're like almost out of time
and this has just been so wonderful.
Amy. Yeah, I I really appreciate your
sharings and your reflection on my strings.
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Right, we don't go around telling people you got strings
on your eyes so. But I'm glad you asked.
Well, and you had the information I was vulnerable
enough to share my what I'm experiencing, not necessarily
the answers for it and yet what I thought might be true.
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And then you just added to that as part of of you're sharing and
and you know, we talk about this, boil it down to loving and
being loved, right? That's the place that you share
the deepest truths from that connection, interconnectedness.
And when you're willing to be there, others can see it and
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reflect from that place. Because what why I am another
you just as just as you or another me.
That's my opening in LA Catch, right?
And we don't understand that because we're too individuated
and competitive still, and that's OK.
And yet in order for us all to get along and work together as a
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society, as a planetary civilization, we've got to move
past that. We've got to collaborate.
How do you see that happening? Because I know you can keep an
eye on things, I I think. That at least in the United
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States, I can't speak for other countries, we are so far apart.
And that was the plan. The plan was to take us apart.
It took away our families, it took away our friends, it took
away our communities and pushed us in complete opposite
directions. And in order for that healing to
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take place, there is going to have to be a lot of truth
spoken. But it's it's.
Going to take a long time for any amount of truth.
One way or the? Other to prevail because of how
much untruth has been spoken or one sided truth and it make it
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honestly makes me really sad because I feel like I feel like
when I was younger so that wouldbe like the 70s and the 80s.
I could be wrong but I feel like.
Or maybe it was just simply my location.
I feel like we were closer to that.
I feel like if even if you had opposing views, at the end of
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the day you were still friends. And now today I feel like if you
have opposing views, you're likecomplete enemies and that set of
boundaries, right? Yeah.
And and it's sad. It's sad what all of this
turmoil has done to all of us, and I honestly have no idea what
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it's going to take. But I'm hoping that I can at
least affect a few people, the people who encounter me, my
book, my retreat. I hope that I will be able to
help them reconcile whatever their differences are, whatever
there are ailments are, whateverkind of adversity they've gone
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through so that they can find peace within themselves and
progress into the person that they're meant to be.
That's perfect. And it is an individual effort.
The collective will change because the individuals have.
Yes, I believe that it happens. No other way.
You know, you've got to love yourself first before you can
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love another. Yeah, my next book.
Is actually it's called Alexander and it's all about how
you fall in love and stay in love with the worst parts of
yourself which ultimately progress your reason for being
here that's. That is a wonderful gift to end
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our conversation with. Thank you.
Oh, Amy, thank you so much. For being a part of our
apocalyptic chats, it's not the end of the world then, no.
No, I'm going to cut those strings, right?
I'm going to cut those strings. So I'm no longer bothered.
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Thank you again. Amy, thank you.
Namaste and in LA Cats and thanks for sticking with us for
this episode of One World and A New World.
I'm your host, Zen Benefiel, andour guest has been Amy Almeido,
and I will see you next time.
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