Ep 193 - Awakening the Fire Within - Energy, Art & Awareness - One World in a New World - Apocalyptic Chats

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Namaste and in Lockets and welcome to this episode of One
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He is the CEO and creative designer for Skyfire Arts, which
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human experience. Namaste and in La Quech and
welcome to this episode of One World in a New world.
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I keep forgetting to say that. So I'm Zen Benefiel, your host.
And this week's guest is MichaelRavenwood, who is the CEO and

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So, Michael, it's so great to have you here.
Man. I've been looking forward to
this conversation. I know we're going to go deep
and wide and man, you just guided to it.
Thanks for being here. You're most welcome.
I'm very, very excited for our conversation.
The last one we had was really brilliant so I'm looking forward
to it. Oh, good, good.
So in the beginning there was no, I can't go that way.

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So we talked about the balance between inner and outer life and
that we usually bereft of the inner conversations with each
other so that we can begin to understand the relative reality
that we experience together. And the inner conversations are
imperative in order to establisha balanced inner and outer

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perspective. So when did you and I know with
what you're doing, man, that your mind and your, your spirit
is just so connected? When did you first notice that
interconnectedness when you wereyoung?
Did you what, what happened? Were there some events and and
how did you perceive it and how did you experience from others?

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Well, the sort of inner exploration began very, very
early for me. I remember walking home from
school sometimes and just like abolt out of the blue, certain
thoughts and ideas would hit me and I would sit down on the curb
with my feet in the gutter and just like grab a pencil and a
piece of paper and just start writing and writing about, you

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know, how I was understanding what I was going through and
what the nature of reality was. You know, when I was a young
teenager, I would even like go out in front of my parents
house, you know, smoke cigarettes.
At the time I would just smoke cigarettes philosophizing in the
middle of the street. And I had the cops called on me

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actually several times for philosophizing.
And it was really. Are you sure it was
philosophizing or the fact you were blocking traffic?
I was It was late at night, no cars around.
It was some nosy neighbor that just didn't like the idea that I
was hanging out talking to myself in the middle of the
street, which I get, I suppose it.
Would be a little disturbing to most people that don't have a

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clue, right. You know, And yet, you know, as
a kid, you, you're who do you have to talk to except yourself
and and whoever else is listening invisibly, Yeah.
You know, I, I had some really profound thought even very early
on, You know, I had this notion that later I understood to be
like the entire Hindu perspective on God.
I thought to myself, like, OK, if I was God, you know, and if I

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had all power, I would do whatever I want.
I would just keep doing whateverI want, whatever.
And then eventually it would getboring.
Like I would just be able to do whatever.
So I bet what I would do is I would create a space behind me
that I couldn't see, right? Because if I'm God, I'm all
powerful. I can even create a place that I
can't see and then I would like throw something over my shoulder

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and turn around and see what happened.
Like that's where where I would get as God.
Because you would just, you know, eventually run out of
things that you know, you, you would do that you knew you
wanted to do because you've doneit all already for an eternity.
And then later I realized. None of that being any kind of
malevolent right activity. It's all the self exploration as

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to really what you can do. Yeah.
And and so that's what I understand, like the Hindus
believe is that essentially likeGod puts a bit of itself into
each one of us as a conscious experience so that we can like
awaken to everything again. Because actually it's the
awakening which is the beauty, not the knowing everything

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already, but the awakening process that is really the most
beautiful and and the experienceof life as being precious.
And you know, that which we can't really experience if
you're immortal and, you know, all powerful.
But yeah, 11I. Don't know about that.
You know the the Vedas which youknow the Hindus got this
philosophy from say that in essence paraphrase for you know

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Sanskrit poems that are quite long.
In essence, though, they say that we're all divine threads,
Incarnate, connected to Source, and capable of God
consciousness. So what would that mean, right?
Is there, as we've talked about cosmic consciousness being
condensed into form, just unaware it's in each of us,

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right? And I think that's how we
recognize each other at the level or state that we're in, in
that ascension process. However, when you're in that
place, you have infinite intelligence available to you
and your specific questions, right?
Your specific divine thread, if you will, that allows you to

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play God and find that. Find those salient points within
you that allow you to embody what I perceive as a perfected
form, fit and function in the world if we were to look at it
as a natural design feature. Yeah, well, I I am still it's.

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An interesting 1, isn't it? Open tech understanding, you
know, what is what is really going on with all that?
But I, I for many years, you know, didn't believe in God.
And really the, the first momentthat I came to an understanding
that, you know, I can call belief was actually from a

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moment I had on a bus where I was just riding into school.
And I was, you know, it was early in the mornings, rubbing
my face, trying to wake myself up.
And suddenly I like remember that I had made love that
morning and, and I looked out the window and something about
the giant Redwood trees swaying up behind the school I was
pulling into and the rocking in the bus and boom, I was the bus

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and the people on the bus. I was the earth and the trees in
the earth and wind of the trees.I became everything and I became
came back in my body and and what you know transformed within
me. Like goes along 3 specific
dimensions. One, I realized that every
moment of immortal life is tinged or just a hint of fear.
Fear that something outside us might hurt us or something we

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have might be taken away. And in that moment, I realized
that all fear is based on the premise that we're separate and
not also one with everything, orthat we're not just this kind of
like, you know, part of the. And you had the experience of it
that gave you that experiential evidence and truth for you that

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nobody is going to change your mind about.
Yeah, because it was from, it was like a direct, visceral
experience. So what like what happened is
all fear just fell away because I recognized, yes, in a certain
sense I'm separate, but actuallyin a deeper and more profound
sense, I am what the universe isdoing to itself.
Like 4 billion years ago there was a seething ball of magma

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here and it evolved and evolved and now the seething ball of
magma looks like this and talks to itself, dances with itself.
Even 14, you know, billion yearsago, you know, approximately,
you know, bang, the universe started and it evolved, evolved,
evolved, and now this is what the universe look like.
I am an aspect of the universe and I got to really experience
that so. And it seems to be.

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Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.
No, I was just going to say thatfear basically fell away.
And what replaced it was a radiant bliss, like I was rating
and being penetrated by every point in time in space.
Yeah. And that was the experience I
had and. And that experience of oneness
is individuated in you because it was your experience, and yet

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everyone is capable of having that.
I agree, right? So how do we navigate that?
You know, do we, like you mentioned the love and fear
thing and we spoke about this just before coming on, this
navigation through that cognitive dissonance that's

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created with the love and fear belief system, right?
Where as you were saying, in that place of total
connectedness, that's total love, that's unconditional.
There there are no barriers. You're connected to everything
You're. Aware.
You're aware of your connection with everything.
Yeah. Because we're always connected,

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but we don't always. Great points.
Tuned into that? Yeah.
Yeah, and, and you have to be aware, otherwise you end up
unconsciously, like Young says. You know, we try to make the
unconscious conscious. Well, the unconscious is
operating probably, you know, 8590% of the time and we're not
even aware of it yet. It's operating on our program
beliefs that we feed it. Now, if we were to change those

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beliefs, what would we experience, you know?
Yeah. And, and here that.
That very idea that you're sharing right now, how does one
transform one's beliefs? That is such a core piece
because our entire trajectory into the future is based on our
belief. If we believe certain things,

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then when a certain thing happens to us based on our
beliefs, we're going to interpret that thing that's
happening, and we're going to make our actions based on what
our beliefs are about what's possible and what's important,
right? Our value system.
Right. And we may not even know what
those core beliefs are and our reaction to it rather than if we
are aware then maybe we would respond rather than have a knee

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jerk. Yeah, and I, I love just this
very base level of, of trying topresence people to the fact that
they have a value system becausemost people just take for
granted like, Oh well, this is important and this is not
important. And they and they don't know.
Well actually it's, it's a choice to believe that these
things are important and these are not important.
And there may be even things that you don't even you're not

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even aware of layers of what's going on that.
Would. Really important to you if you
only knew that they were real. And that leads into the Dow
right, that that's I had a wonderful mentor.
Kai D played wo fat on the original Hawaii 5 O He had a
doctorate in theology and was rectored for a for a Dallas
sanctuary here in Tempe. He was one of my first guests on

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my original show, One World. And he'd said to me, you know,
in the Dallas way, it's either desirable or undesirable.
And that's something you can sense as well as you know, you
can go beyond your belief system, which is totally in your
head and sense it with your bodyas to whether there's resonance
or not with what you're being presented with.

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Have you found that to be true in some of the things?
Cuz I know what the work you do.You're really sensitive, I
think. That there there are a couple of
different ways to to look at that.
So emotions in my perspective, in my experience, can come from
distinct places, several distinct places.
One is more of an intuitive place and one is more of an

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intellectual interpretation place.
Meaning if somebody says something to you, a lot of times
the feelings you'll have around it are based on how you
interpret it. Let's say they, let's say for
example, they say, hey, have youtaken out the trash?
Now, let's say they ask you thatquestion and you infer that or

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you believe that they're implying that you should have
already taken out the trash, right?
So your emotional response mightbe like, well, no, because I was
doing all these other things or whatever.
Whatever your emotional, yeah. That sounds like a husband and
wife conversation. Right, right, right.
But it's based on. But that feeling, that emotion
is based on your, your mental perception.

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And as you get more and more attuned with meditation, you can
actually watch like somebody says something and you can watch
yourself get either really happyabout it or really sad or really
frustrated, angry about it and just notice like, oh, look, I
had a profound emotional response to what this person
said. And then you can even take a
step, you know, back and say, and I wonder if they really

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meant what I thought they meant by what they said.
So then you can ask them, were you were you implying that I
should have already done it? Or, and then the person might be
like, oh, no, I was just asking because I thought I would take
it out right now as I'm going out to the car to leave for
work, whatever. And then you might like, oh, OK,
well, thank you so much. I hadn't yet.
I got really busy. Yes, if you would take that,

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that'd be awesome. So that's.
In that process, your emotions are going like.
This right, right. Yeah.
So, you know, that's a one, a place that feelings can come
from, desirable, undesirable, whatever.
You know, that's a place that feelings come from is
intellectual interpretations, right?
And that that does have to do with your belief systems.
But then they're also, in my experience, there are emotions

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or feelings which come straight from, you know, you might call
it a sense of things that is really interpreted through the
mind. And I've had some of the most
kind of profound experiences that I've had in my life come

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straight. Like, I mean, I've had a couple
of like, straight up psychic things happen in my life that,
you know, it gave me a feeling. And I was like, yeah.
So OK, well, I'll even use one in reverse.
So one of the most things that ever happened to me was that I

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at this one festival, I was hanging out with my friend's
daughter, Fiona, and she had a new wand.
It was her birthday wand. And I'm this funny character.
So I'm like, oh, you're not going to turn me into a frog,
are you? You know.
And she's like, ha, ha, ha Bing,you know?
And then I turn and I hop aroundon the ground for a while, and
then she turns me into a monkey.I caper about.
So you know, I have this whole game with Fiona, right?

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So then months later, out of theblue, I haven't talked to my
friend in quite a while. She's playing on the floor with
her daughter and her daughter just kind of like sits up out of
nowhere and goes. I turned him into a frog.
And. And her mom is like, what?
And she's like that man. I turned him into a frog and a
Newt and a salamander. And then she was like, oh,

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Michael. Oh, yeah.
You were playing with him at thefestival.
Da, da, da, da. And then ring, ring.
The phone rings, and it's me on the phone.
So my friend Siobhan was like, oh, my God, you'll never believe
what just happened. Like out of nowhere, Fiona just
started talking about you. And then you called.
I've had that happen a few time.I think I have a kind of AI

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don't know a very clear intention.
So I think kids can. That and you've got a connection
too, right? These are people that you know
and love. And I think it happens more
readily with that. You know, I being adopted, my
adopted father and I had this amazing psychic bond that was,
you know, beyond any blood lineage.

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And he was Piscean and I'm Cancerian.
So we're both kind of of the spirit, if you will.
And I think that makes a difference as well.
These kinds of things we have normal experiences of, right?
And usually it's like, oh, that was really cool.
And we blow it off, right? We don't give it any more

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attention as to how'd that happen and can I do it again.
Yeah, I actually find it fascinating to think about how
we can, you know, cultivate the kind of state in which those
things are just more apparent tous.
And what I've noticed is that ittends to be when I'm really not

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like thinking about anything or directing my conscience.
I'm just kind of relaxing and allowing things to happen that
those kind of impressions can come more clearly, which is why
I think, you know, meditation issuch a powerful way to get in
touch with our intuition becausewe're literally practicing being
aware but being relaxed not. Quiet and and having a quiet

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mind, which is where things can get through as a kid.
You remind me that when I was first told I was adopted, my
sister just come home. I was 4 1/2.
My parents tell me because they feel it's time to know right And
the fact that there was no process before my sister came
home other than my awareness that she was going to well, I

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was standing on a afterwards. I had the normal questions, but
I was had one that resided for awhile, and that was if I'd
already been to Sunday school quite a number of times.
And I thought, if I have a father and mother in heaven, can
I talk to them and a 4 1/2 year old with those kind of thoughts.

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You know, that's pretty bizarre to begin with, let alone what
happened in the following few weeks or month.
I was standing on a landing one evening looking out our front
window and all of a sudden I hear this voice say, hey you.
It was deeper than anything thatyou could imagine and louder
than anything I've ever heard. So loud that I instead of

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engaging it, I turned around andI asked my mother, who was
sitting 1520 feet away, if she heard it.
And I knew she should have, it was that loud.
And she says, no, what voice? I didn't hear any voice.
I'm like, huh? So Fast forward a few weeks,

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maybe months. Dad worked nights so he he would
take a nap between 8:30 and and 10 and I would and mom would be
in the kitchen. So I'd be in the living room
some nights and I would the curtains would be open, light
would be on. I would stand in front of the
window and project that. Hey, you out hoping for a
return? I didn't know any better, right?

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Why not try it? So didn't realize that, you
know, at the time it was 70 thousand thoughts a day that we
have, and especially with a kid,probably more than that.
Because your mind's just rolling, right?
You don't stop. Well, I finally stopped one
evening and I got quiet, not realizing it.
And I heard the voice it returned.

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So that taught me early on the necessity of being quiet.
Now, whether I was able to do that or not on a regular basis
is an entirely another story, right?
Yeah, and that's why daily practice is such a vital piece
because. Sure.
Well, as a kid, you don't know that.
That's it just comes naturally it and it did.

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I didn't have to practice. All I had to do was remember
that moment of stillness and go back to it.
And then eventually that moment of stillness resided kind of
resolved into another Hindu, theShabda, which is known as the
sound current, which is the vibrations of all the life on
the planet. So that's the interconnectedness

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that we hear in that silence or can.
And so that allowed me to tune in.
And then there were some instances you probably had this
happen when you, when you meditate sometimes, do you feel
yourself drop into other realms or expand into other realms?

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I can say that I've definitely had the experience of my
awareness expanding into the space around me.
I, I did a 10 day, 10 hour a daymeditation retreat called the
Pastana, which you probably are familiar with.
And yeah and yeah, it was reallyprofound.

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And actually, I actually experienced, and it was one of
the most bizarre sensations or whatever.
I actually experienced myself kind of going out with the
breath and like experiencing myself as a larger thing than my

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body and then like coming back in my body.
And I just had some very bizarrekind of experiences of that
during that 10 day meditation retreat.
That's an awesome experience andand yes, I will recommend that
to anyone that is interested. Phenomenal your life.
I agree. And it's, and the most
remarkable thing about it is it's totally free.

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They will let you come for 10 days and feed you and house you
and teach you meditation withoutcost and they're just have so
many. But there is cost where your
time and your commitment, OK, that's valuable and that's the
that's why the reciprocation occurs.
Right. And I'm just saying, you know,

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monetarily, there's no investment.
There is just the investment, you know, as you say, of your
time, your energy and your commitment.
And it's not a small thing. It definitely is intense to do.
But there are so many people whohave gained such tremendous
benefit from it that they have volunteers enough to, like, make
it happen. Sure.
So I think it's really remarkable.
Yeah. Absolutely.

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Now that brings up another point, literally a point of
awareness, right? And from quantum physics we
understand we're all energy. So the more we become aware of
that energy expanding, contracting like you
experienced, right? That's from that point of
reference that we have because we only have one point.
It has different aspects, right?But in we only have one being in

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our body. Would you agree?
We have access, but we ought to have one experience.
There is only one being here andit's us.
That's that's what I had in thatmoment.
That's how I began to believe inGod is that I went from thinking
God is an A word defined as an old man in the sky ready to

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throw me in a lake of fire forever if I don't believe the
right things. And all of a sudden, in that
experience of everything on the bus, I recognized that like, oh,
there is nothing that is not God.
Like I began to equate, right, the word God with reality
itself. So I went 180° from a person who
is a total atheist at the time to a person.
Now you, if you try to convince me there isn't a God, you might

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as well try and convince me there isn't, there isn't reality
itself, right? But so I, I do believe that
there is only one being and it'sus.
It's this, it's this reality. But then I also recognize what,
what I think you're, you're going at, you know, is that we
have one locus of awareness and attention that we, as you know,

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beings in this physical realm orwhatever you want to call it,
get to have. And that there is like, you
know, like there's exercises of like, OK, now put all of your
attention in your big toe or nowput all your attention in, like
these are in your breath or whatever it is.
And you can play with what it means to drive your awareness

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into these various places. But we only have that one kind
of point of attention. Whether it's in our body or not.
You know, Don Juan taught Castanada how to move.
His assemblage point is what he called that point of awareness,
right? And you can move it around with
practice. Sometimes it happens
inadvertently, out of body experiences, for instance, where
you know you'll have a differentview and you'll be able to see

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your body. Well, that's still that
reference point, right? Just in a different vibratory
realm. Yeah, well, I have, I have
actually one of the spookiest, kind of coolest stories out of
my life that that talks a littlebit about how you can by forget
about how you can kind of divide.
So I, OK, I was helping my friend move and then she has a

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black cat at the time named Bane.
And all of a sudden Bane just starts like looking around the
room as if there's something like particular that it's
tracking right. And we're looking around.
We're like, there is nothing in the room that's.
Tracking Where's the orb? Right.
Yeah. What was going on?
And so then I decided like, oh, this is a really cool moment for
an experiment. What if there is a spirit in the

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room or what it what if it can see something that I cannot?
So I went up on the bed and I sat meditation style, and I
started doing this, this, you know, I don't know, you call it
prayer or whatever you want to call it.
It's this exercise that I learned when a friend was doing
this crystal bowl meditation forme one time and it's kind of
dropped in. I've only had a few times in my
life where I was just like something dropped whole into me,

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like a poem and I just wrote outthe poem just as it dropped into
me. I didn't like craft it and it
just happened, right. So this this meditation was, you
know, there is nothing but beauty and truth and health
within this circle. Within this circle.
It is all joy and love and strength.
And you know, I just kind of like you.
You basically sing all the things that are the things you

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want to see and you let and there's nothing but that within
this circle. And, and the cat looks around
the room, looks around the room and then looks right above my
head and then down, down, down and looks into my eyes.
And for like 2 minutes like which is an internally it felt
like 10 minutes or whatever, butyou know, it was actually 2
minutes. Little celebratory moment,

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right? Yeah, and the cat and the cat is
looking in my eyes and and I'm just like doing this prayer.
But then there's another part ofme.
There's there's the part of me that's like saying the prayer,
right? That's the conscious part of me.
Then there's the other part where like random thoughts just
kind of like start bubbling up and this random thought of like

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killing and eating the cat came up and then you don't know where
these thoughts come from. It's just like, you know, just
suddenly it was like that. And, and then a third part of my
mind or whatever was like, whoa,what would happen 'cause I'm
experimenting here. I'm like, what would happen if I
held that thought? So I brought that thought back
into my mind instead of the peace and love and health and
strength and whatever I like brought that thought back into

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my mind and it was like, it was like 2 set was like one 1000,
two 1000. The cat leapt up in the air,
like feet into the air and landed behind this box and then
like peered out from behind the box at me and I'm like, Oh my
God, Oh my God, Oh my God. Like that really just happened.
Like I literally just changed what was in my mind.

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And then the cat focused on me and then I changed what was in
my mind And then the cat leaps up and you know what I mean?
Like I was just like kind of freaking out because I am a
person who's like not seen ghosts or not like I haven't I
I've I've you know, my, I have had like weird dreams that came
true and I've had whatever certain things happen, but I

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haven't like seen anything in myreality that's like, you know,
something that's quote UN quote not there whatever.
So. Maybe that's part of the, you
know, the way you learn the audio, visual and kinesthetic
and that you're more receptive at different levels, and this is
one that happens to be it. Right.
And so the cat, you know, I thought, I don't want to leave
it like this. So then I envisioned myself, I

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look at the cat and I envisionedin my in my mind that I'm laying
in an alley and I don't know where I get the whatever, but
I'm laying in an alley and I'm starving and I'm petting the
cat. And that's what I envision in my
hand. And then I say in my head, not
even if I were starving, not even if I were dying, not like I
wouldn't, I wouldn't harm you. And the cat kind of creeps out

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and creeps out. And then I put my hand out and
then the cat rubs and then I rubthe cat.
And then it is at this point that my friend Elise looks at me
and because she's sitting here the whole time like watching the
cat and then watching me sit up on the bed without saying
anything. And then all of a sudden
watching the cat lock eyes with me for 2 minutes.
She's just sitting there like watching this whole week and
then seeing the cat jump up. And, and so that as soon as the

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cat like I pet the cat, she's like, OK, what just happened
dude? Because.
This is a really. Weird.
You know, event that just occurred I got.
The The cool thing is, you had awitness.
Yeah. Right.
It wasn't just your imagination.There was, you know, you had a
reflection of what was happeninginside of you.
And man, those are precious because they really lock in that

(30:06):
reality that there is something greater.
I've had similar things happen to me and one of them happened
in front of a group of people, missed it and you know it
because you wonder, right? Because they are so different
than our normal awareness. Now.

(30:29):
Have you noticed over the years of practice that that awareness
is almost become second nature or first nature to where you
sense a reason to stop and be still for a moment?
That's a really good point. And it's really, it's funny.

(30:52):
I just want to take it back for one second and say the whole
reason that whole story came up is because you were talking
about the one assemblage point or the one attention point.
And what I was trying to kind ofilluminate with that story was
that there is the one point of conscious attention, but there's
also like this antenna kind of like quality of our brain that's

(31:14):
just receiving thoughts from outside or where who knows where
thoughts occur to us from, right?
But there's there's this other part.
According to Irvin Laszlo, that would be our higher self right?
The the pure self, right had an experience that Lube and I were
meditating out in the backyard one afternoon and I was watching

(31:35):
my thinking. And as I'm watching my thinking,
and then I started interacting with myself and wondering why
I'm thinking that or the other. And then there's a third voice
that pops in as something. And I was like, OK, where did
that come from? Yeah, right.
Because it, it saw what I was doing and took me to another

(31:58):
level of my awareness with it. So would that not also be me?
Yeah, well, that that is that's the question is where does me
begin and end? Right.
So, so in answer to your question about are there times,
you know, with my practice that I've come to to get silent?
It's funny enough that recently it's my experience playing

(32:20):
pickleball that has has begun tolike bring me to this place
where I'm I'm remembering to getreally silent.
And what it is is that every time after a point scored or
after a person is after a ball is like transferred, you know,
from one side to the other. I've taken it as a trigger to

(32:42):
like drop myself back in to likethe silent and still place.
Like every single time I go to serve, every single time I go to
receive a serve, I like, I just,I relax my whole body and just
kind of like, and I find that when I'm remembering to do that,
I'm a way better player. Like I just like, I get this

(33:04):
whole I'm I basically I think what I'm doing is I'm starting
to tap into flow state in an intentional way where I'm
remembering. Exactly.
Relax. Relax, but be present.
And that's a disciplined habit that's developed.
Sometimes it's a spontaneous, you know, remembering, yeah, I
need to do this. Just that the more you live it

(33:26):
and, you know, it reminds me of what T Harv Ecker said years
ago. I went to one of his Millionaire
Mindset weekends and he says, you know what you do anywhere?
You do everywhere. Yep.
Wow, that. Got me on wait a minute, wait a
minute, you know, because first thing you want to do is

(33:47):
disagree. And I think that.
It's kind of our nature. We're when we get something new,
the first thing we want to do isconfront it rather than emerge
in a different way, rather than to allow it to seep in and just

(34:10):
date and then give us a different opinion.
Because of our own bias and. Prejudice.
It gets in the way, right? Our perception is.
Managed by our. Perspective and if our
perspective is. Locked in and.
We're not open then we're going to want to argue and and, you

(34:32):
know, defy as a Yeah, so Well, that's interesting.
Tell me more. Yeah, I I find that.
What you've just shared is something that that speaks to
the heart of how I really have come to look at truth, right.
So let's look at the statement that was made that that the way

(34:53):
or the way I heard it was the way you do one thing is the way
you do everything, right? And it it is a a perspective
which comes from the understanding that whatever
state you tend to be in, you're going to be doing everything
from that state, right? So, oh, we had.

(35:14):
Some there is agreement there too.
Yeah, there's a we had a thumbs.Up.
Oh, Oh, yeah, no. Actually, my yeah, I have some.
I can turn that off. Actually, no, I actually it was
perfectly. Timed.
I kind of like it well here. Here, I'll show you my favorite
one. This is my favorite one right
here. Oh, yeah.
Oh, wow. Isn't that funny?

(35:36):
Yeah. So Sky Arts guy, you.
Yeah, I know. It's it's funny.
How how these little reactions got like, I didn't even set them
up. They just kind of started
happening. And I'm like, I love these, you
know, like, like this is anotherone of my favorites.
Yeah. So, so in, in terms of this, you
know, understanding the nature of truth through the lens of

(35:58):
this particular statement, right, the way you do one or one
way to say it is the way you do one thing is the way you do
everything. And it recognizes that we have a
certain state that we tend to operate from.
And so if we're, you know, defaulting to that state, then
whether we're playing pickleballor whether we're talking to our
wife or whether we're at work doing whatever we're doing that

(36:21):
that we're coming from that place when we're doing it.
And so that we tend like, for example, if we tend to be a
person who rushes, then we're going to rush through all of
those different things. But then then there's also I can
pretty listen to the albums. Though What'd you say, Rush?
Oh, oh, I don't. Get me started on Tom Sawyer.

(36:41):
So I love, I love that song so much.
Steve and Irrelevant. What I'll say is.
That what I've I've tried to start doing with every statement
of truth or every wisdom or aphorism is I've started to ask
myself, how is this true or whenis this true or under what
circumstances is it true? And then under what
circumstances is it not true? And I'll just say like, for

(37:02):
example, that it is true that the way you do one thing tends
to be the way you do everything.But also, people have very
specific types of call them hangups or call them.
It could be an advantage actually in certain
circumstances. But hang ups trigger, you know.
Point counterpoints, yeah, yeah.So.

(37:23):
Let's say you have a particular set of experiences in your youth
around women, or let's say you have a set of experiences in
your youth around authority or whatever it is that you can
actually have a really high functioning ability, for
example, outside of that field where actually it isn't like the
way you do one thing is the way you do everything because the

(37:44):
way you're handling most of yourlife might be really great
because you don't have this one hang up.
But then when you get around authority or women or whatever
it is, that particular hang up may switch the way you treat
them or yourself or or your thoughts.
I can see that. I would also.
Say the intensity of the moment determines how deep you go and

(38:04):
from where you reflect and in what you just shared.
You know, the normal stuff. Not so triggering the intense
moment when you feel like you'rein the middle of chaos and have
to perform or whatever, right? That's a much more intense
feeling that wouldn't come up inthe others.

(38:25):
Right, true or. Not right, there's just a
difference of intensity and in particular moments and.
And we all experience that, yeah, through different.
You know, through our own particular triggers to that,
because one person, and this is something that I really focus on
in my when I do workshops and, and things like that is around

(38:47):
how happiness is certainly determined from within.
Because you can put two people in the same circumstance and
1:00 will be perfectly happy, you know, even in elation and
the other one will be totally miserable.
So really it's it's our perceptions of things that you
know, or our attitude towards things that leads us to have the

(39:09):
experience that we're having andso well and again, perception.
Controlled by perspective right that person's as happy may have
the perspective this of I'm partof it all and it's all good.
The person that's miserable. Oh man, life is shit and I'm
getting more of it right. And, and unfortunately that

(39:31):
because of the over abundance ofself deprecating thoughts among
those 70,000, we have a day. The needle moves right now.
How do we bring that needle back?
You know, how do we balance the EQ, the IQ, the SQ, Emotional
quotient, intellectual quotient and spiritual quotient?

(39:56):
Interesting. I I.
Like this and I like how we've come back around to that
question of. How does one modify one's
beliefs? Because usually you come to a
belief, either because somebody you respected or in a position
of authority said something to you at some point when you were
a kid and you just kind of like took it for granted because
you're you're learning so many things from everybody else.

(40:19):
And maybe that first adults and those are.
Wiser elder, you know, Yeah, maybe that person.
Yeah, maybe that person. 'S been right about nine out of
the 10 or 99 out of the last 100things they said.
But then suddenly they say something that maybe is totally
off, but you wouldn't know because you're just a kid, you
know? So whatever we get these beliefs
either from, you know, authorityfigures or people we trust, or

(40:41):
we might get them from experiences we've had.
Like we speak up in a situation where things are intense, right?
And some people might have had the experience where they spoke
up and things went really well and people listen to what they
had to say and it saved them a lot of trouble.
And but another person might have spoken up in that moment of
truth or whatever. And then all all of a sudden

(41:02):
they got yelled at and they and then all these consequences
happen or whatever. So what a person believes about
speaking up in the moment of truth is going to come from, you
know, their experiences. But like we were just talking
about with the other example, there might be a set of
circumstances where if you speakup the truth.
Is you know. Speaking up gets you in trouble.
Whatever. But then there's going to be

(41:23):
another set of circumstances where speaking up is the most
important thing you can do. And everybody goes, Oh my.
God, I'm so glad you brought that up.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Because it's.
On the mind of. Everybody right and so now if.
It's not on the mind. Of everybody and you speak up,
that tends to be when that stiff.

(41:43):
Arm occurs. Right, right.
And so you. Learn to be sensitive to your
circumstances, like am I going to be benefiting everybody,
including myself by speaking up in this circumstance or is it,
you know, or or not so much? And so the question of how we
can transform our beliefs really, really drives in.
And I feel like it it, you know,part of it coming to new beliefs

(42:06):
has to do with experimentation. Because if you just keep
speaking up, for example, you'regoing to start noticing, oh, OK,
speaking up doesn't just get me,you know, stiff armed speaking
up sometimes gets me accolades. OK.
So, well, you're going to experience the L curve, right?
Yeah, right. There's a certain.
All the different. Variations that could happen

(42:27):
will and then you. OK, now what are what's
happening most often and how do I tweak that within myself to
get better results so that the outliers don't happen as much?
Yeah, and so and so. Experimentation is one of those
huge important ways that we can evolve our or have our beliefs
evolve. And another one is storytelling.

(42:49):
And I am so like my whole company, which I, I guess we
didn't talk about it, where I'lljust share for people who are
interested. So in my company, Skyfire Arts,
we wear high voltage protective suits, we become electrified by
giant devices known as Tesla coils, and we throw 10 foot
bolts of lightning as part of the show.
But that is, as you know, you were talking about the
beginning, then designed to promote ecological awareness and

(43:14):
personal empowerment. And ecological awareness, by the
way, is the awareness of our intermittent connection with
everything. Ecology, biology, quantum
physics, all these sciences haveproved unequivocally that we are
connected intimately and inextricably with everything in
our environment, right? So ecological awareness could be
called unity consciousness, it could be called whatever you
want, but it's just our awareness of our connection.

(43:35):
Then personal empowerment is we speak the.
Same thing. This is what I noticed when I
did my early shows. I had, well, probably 70 or 80
shows that I did with two guestsfrom disparate backgrounds, same
questions. And I learned how to weave what
they were saying because they would say, you know, questions
about what prompted you, what prompted you to do what you're

(43:56):
doing from both inner and outer perspectives.
And then what fears? Did you encounter and most
importantly, how did you overcome them?
So listening to these processes and how people would explain
their individual process, they were explaining the same thing
in their individuated ways, which gave me an opportunity to

(44:19):
say, OK guys, this is what I see.
You're saying the same thing differently.
And then find that salient pointof agreement that was huge
because they could see each other better and then that
rippled out into their other worlds, right, That they saw
others differently as a result and was were able to achieve

(44:45):
more fulfillment as as a result as well.
Yeah. And and what?
What's? Happening there, in my
experience, is that they are getting to hear each other's
story and they are using that story as a as a reflection on
their own story. And they're beginning to, you
know, it's a kind of which is natural, right?
Is. How do I fit into this?

(45:06):
Where, you know, can I relate tothis person?
And and because you're listeningthrough your own dictionary and
speaking, and so you're going tohear, I'll just say trigger
words, not that they're triggers, but just words that,
you know, keywords, they create things, right?
And as you're hearing that you're interpreting it in your

(45:28):
way and it may not be the same as the others.
And that's where that interactive, you know, active
listing, for instance, and referencing things.
And here's what I think you thought I heard.
And is that true? And, you know, could you go
further on that? Because I think I'm getting it,
but I'm not quite sure. And you know that radical

(45:49):
curiosity, as opposed to the vehement denial of.
And and. Holding that separate of place,
this is where they could come together and agree.
And I think that's a possibilityubiquitously among the planet in
being able to get people to haveconversations that elevate the

(46:09):
sense of connectedness and we need that today.
That's what I'm hoping these conversations will do and that
the like and subscribe button will be hit more often as a
result, right. And I think it's important now
in your. Furthering of.

(46:30):
This let's just call it work because I think it's a kind of
a. Overall term that a lot.
Of us use because it's not really working yet it's worked
because it takes discipline. The discipline.
How do you think this disciplinecan develop?

(46:53):
Because we're looking at making the unconscious conscious first
of all, right? That's the education process
that needs to happen in the individual in order for them to
recognize their connectivity. Yeah, how do you see?
That happening, for instance, inthe last few years we had a
golden opportunity with the pandemic to be sequestered and

(47:14):
self examined. What do you see has happened as
a result of that? Wow.
Well, I would say that it runs the length and breadth right,
like so many people did use thatexperience as you know, a
divisive force in their lives and put put other people on the

(47:36):
other side, you know, of fear based is the right thing to
happen and all that, right. But I think that a good portion
of people, it seems, did take a step back with it and examine
what's going on and notice how many people did choose to be
divisive about it and then choose to keep the people in

(47:57):
their lives that were not being,you know, you know, choosing
that kind of a path. And I think.
Straight up, I was going. To say, yeah, just straight up
my own experience with the pandemic, I used it to anchor a
daily practice I had still even up to the pandemic, I had been
doing. You know, I'd meditate for a few

(48:17):
months and then, you know, whatever would happen and then
I'd get off. Then I'd be like, oh, yeah, I
know. I need to get back on.
And I get a few more weeks and then, oh, and then I'm like
everything temporary. And transitory, right right back
and forth. Well, I will tell you that it
was with the pandemic that I just, I was like, no excuses.
Like I am meditating every single day.
I'm doing breath work every single day.

(48:38):
And I created a spreadsheet and I later learned actually that
this behavior modification method was used, you know, very
successfully in a number of different systems and whatever.
And I look up YouTube videos about, you know, how do people
actually change their behavior? And whatever I really like
anchored a system where I wrote down on a spreadsheet along the
left side. These are all the things I want

(48:59):
to do every single day. And then across the top was the
date. And then if I did it, I would
say, yes, I did it. Or if I did half of it, I'd be
like, oh, yeah, I only did half of it.
Or if I didn't do it, I would belike, no, I didn't do it.
And then at the bottom at the end of the day, I would reflect
and I would say, why, why didn'tI do this or that?
Or why did I do everything today?

(49:21):
Why did I nail everything today?And I really like gave myself a
feedback system and I would understand like, oh, you know,
watching videos after. Dinner it's.
Pretty much no go. Like I can't if I watch videos
after dinner, I'm not journaling, I'm not doing my
yoga. I'm not, you know, but if I, if
I read books instead, then all of a sudden, like there's this

(49:44):
whole other thing. So that's what I'm doing is I'm
reading book, you know. And so anyway, I, when you talk
about discipline, this is the point at which, because a lot of
people have reported to me that they see me as a very
disciplined person. And I'll say that, you know,
whatever discipline was not inherent, like it was
cultivated. I had to, you know, practice and

(50:05):
practice, but I did get a practice where now like every
single day, I do the same thing every single day.
And so when you say what happened out of the pandemic and
that reflection, everything for me personally, I feel like
ultimately it was a very positive influence on my life in
terms of what my state of being is now on a more consistent

(50:29):
basis. Because when we meditate and do
breath work and visualization every single day, we tune our
state into a certain frequency range.
The antenna that is US is. Attenuated to a different set of
frequencies, right? Right.
And so I feel like, you know, for me and, you know, for a lot

(50:51):
of people, I know, it ultimatelyended up being very positive.
But you know, I know obviously for many people it was not for
something it wasn't now. My point being, the reason I
asked that question because we were talking about changing
beliefs. Well, here it gave us the
opportunity to suspend them. And I think that's really what.

(51:12):
You were getting at is the suspension of beliefs rather
than the changing of them. Or at least this is how it
worked for me. I had to say, OK, everything's
sacred. Nothing's sacred, now what?
Am I crazy? Right with my experiences and

(51:33):
things like this, Perry Knopper brought this asked me a question
in an octopus movement gatheringthe other day, the 20 hour
marathon and he says, Zen, what do you do when?
What's your overwriting questionabout reality?
I said, am I crazy right becausethe outer reflection, right?
You wonder right when you have these weird shit experiences

(51:54):
happen to you, you wonder if it's really true or not and you
think you might be crazy. Well, to ask yourself if you
are, and then look at your experience and what's happening.
What can be reflected, those that are validating, even those
that aren't right. It gives you an opportunity to
test the truth. What you're talking about,

(52:16):
right? Now is such a a poignant issue
for me because I have this wholething also.
When I teach. Workshops around what is
reality, right what what is real.
And one of the prime first points I make is that what is
real is not limited by what is physical.
Because if we have a dream and then we wake up from that dream,

(52:38):
everything we did in that dream hasn't affected our physical
reality. But if we have a certain
encounter in the dream and we learn a certain something from
that encounter, and then we meeta person and talk to them in
real life later that day, and werespond to them differently than
we would if we hadn't had that dream, that dream has a reality.
Or if we sit here and we think about the things that really

(52:59):
bother us and the things that are really miserable in life,
we're dumping all kinds of certain hormones and
neurotransmitters and answers right, We're gonna.
Right, right, and. Yet if we sit here, we think
about what we're grateful for and what we love, and we're also
doing the result reverse. And we are creating a result
where our immune systems are boosted.
And the consequences of having aboosted immune system is our

(53:20):
life looks different. And so yeah, hormones are
totally different. You know your cortisol is
flooding your body and you clench up, right?
So not dopamine and, and serotonin and, and all of those,
you know, oxytocin and. Oxytocin.
Right. Yeah, Yeah, just.
And you're flooded with it and you feel differently because of

(53:40):
that. You actually do feel more
connected that way. Exactly.
And, and so when, when I talk about reality, there's also
another dimension that I talk about, which is objective
reality and creative reality. Now what are the, what is the
difference there, right. So this contrabulation.
Fit in there somewhere? Well, let's.

(54:00):
Let's talk about This is exactlywhere I when you say, am I
crazy? And like you try and think about
what it means to be crazy. When we say that somebody is
crazy, it usually means that they're saying things about
things they're experiencing thatno one else in the room is
experiencing. Now, of course, maybe they are
seeing a cat flying through the air.

(54:22):
We couldn't say because what's inside a person's brain, right?
Like we can't. No, But if nine people out of 10
in that room are not seeing a flying cat and one person is, we
call the person who's seeing theflying cat crazy, right?
Because their reality doesn't match ours.
But there's this whole piece around, OK, there's subjective
reality that we sort of define as being a consensus reality if

(54:46):
9 out of 10 or a 99 out of 100 people on agreements.
This is real then. Then we agree that that's real.
I'm sorry, what did you? Say, I said it's based on
agreements based on agree, right, but.
Then there's the creative reality, which is based on what,
you know, a lot of people attribute this saying to, you
know, to Henry Ford, but of course, this has been said for

(55:08):
thousands of years. You know, before him, if you say
you can or if you say you can't,you're right.
And that. Is like the creative.
Reality where it's basically based on our decision.
If we decide, no, I can do it, what's going to happen?
We're going to start making our think about.
That pink elephant. So blind doesn't.

(55:32):
Hear. Don't.
Do or do not right? Like Yoda, there is no try.
It's either do or do not. Well, the mind you're do or do
not. It focuses on whatever the topic
is. Right.
So if you say I can, then you are going to make the kinds of
actions which and where you're, you're going to believe the

(55:54):
kinds of things that lead you totake the kinds of actions which
make it possible. Now, if you say something like,
I can grow bird wings at this moment and fly to Tokyo in the
next hour, then, you know, you're kind of going into a
range where it's like, yeah, yeah.
Bloody unlikely, man, you know? But but hey, there's a different
realm. Many.

(56:15):
Don't travel. I would say I would.
Say if you're in your dreams andyou say that that actually that
stuff does have. I've totally had things happen
in my dream where I just decidedto happen.
Have you ever had? You just brought up a question,
have you ever had a moment of bilocation I?
Have not, but I have. To tell you that I have, I'd had

(56:36):
one very profound experience of remote viewing which I did not.
I did not believe I was going tohave or I did not know, you
know, that I was going to have or whatever.
But stuff you don't know can happen.
Until it does, yeah, I just had.In this exercise, the the person
facilitating was like, OK, closeyour eyes.
I'm going to I'm, I have the coordinates of something and I

(57:01):
want you to close your eyes. Just we're all going to focus
together and I want you to draw what you see.
And I drew this Falcon looking, bird looking thing, whatever.
And it was a building. That was the point.
And I drove to that. We drove to that building later
and I looked and there was the thing that I drew was on the

(57:23):
side of the building was in LongBeach.
And I was just like, that is crazy sauce.
And that's again where you wouldbe concerned telling people that
because they might think that you're crazy.
But you know Liz Buchanan. And Ingo Swann wouldn't.
Right, right. But that is a thing where I, I

(57:44):
have to in my life, stand somewhere.
You got to stand somewhere, right?
And I I had to understand for something.
Or your fault for anything, right?
Yeah, right. So I have to say, like, I had
that experience. I, you know, I also am aware
that, yeah, the CIA did experiments.
There was the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research
Lab, and they came up with some really, really interesting
things that are true about humanconsciousness and perception

(58:07):
that are far beyond our normal Newtonian set of understandings
about physical reality. Well, and it and it brings.
Out the the state of neurodiversity, right?
I didn't think I was different when I was a kid.
Today with the octopus group, these are all neurodiverse, non
linear thinkers. And it's like, you know, and I'm

(58:28):
seeing all the different types of ancillary behaviors, right?
And, and verbiage and how peopleare talking.
I'm like, whoa, I'm seeing myself, you know, scattered
through all of this and realizing, wow, I was that way
as a kid. No wonder.
And fortunately, I was highly functional.

(58:51):
My parents really did a good jobat, at helping me to be
functional and I could travel todifferent social circles and
stuff. It still made me realize that,
you know, even that young with an extremely high IQ, they were
afraid of it, didn't know to tell me about it, and there were
no programs to support it. Today.

(59:13):
That's different and this diversity that we're noticing,
it's not ADEI thing, right? Although that's, you know, I
think that's a false flag, right?
In a way, it really is the evolution of humanity that is
bringing us to new levels of activity and sensitivity because
we need it. That's part of our natural

(59:34):
evolutionary process, just like the universe.
You were talking, you know, 14 billion years ago.
Poof, right. Here we are.
And now today, here we are. What's next?
You know, it appears that as theuniverse has chosen to
experience itself through us, that it's going to get finer and
finer in detail as it is evolving rather than fall into

(59:56):
entropy, which kind of blows thewhole second law of third but
dynamics away, except for closedsystems like man has created.
Yeah. It's an interesting.
Situation in which we find ourselves where there are things
you know, like the law of thermodynamics that that you
know regards entropy. But then we also see, you know,

(01:00:18):
a self organizing principle thatis so profound.
I mean, just to think that gas. And dust.
Alone organized itself into thatlike and is at the in you know
super intense level of complexity at which we find you
know functioning systems and andso you have to have to say where

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where is the other law that is the that is the you know maybe
I'm unaware of it maybe maybe you know I think we are because
you. Don't see it?
What's the other law? Of self organizing, emergent,
synergistic, you know, principles like what?
What is that I? Have a theory in that it moves

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through US, in US, around us and.
That there. Is an intelligence.
Far beyond our. Recognition that that's in a
basic model, right? That model being the Trinity.
Where do we see that right? Every religion, major religion,

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has a Trinity of some kind, right it both in the macro and
in the practice belief system. So where might that look or
where might that be in a microsystem?
So we got the macro right, wherethere are three spheres of.

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Power. Let's say we don't know.
Exactly what they are, but they cut, they combine in order to
create physical reality, both you and I and our solar system
and beyond, right? So where does that show up?
Proton. Electron and neutron At a micro
level, there's only one thing, one element that doesn't fit
that model, and that's hydrogen.So hydrogen is the most

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plentiful. Gas in the universe powers the.
Sun. And is the.
Bonding agent. For DNA Helix, that's an
interesting connectivity there. Is it possible that
consciousness actually is that third part of that model, the

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dark matter that we think is there, that's actually
consciousness intelligence of some kind that is encased within
this for lack of a better etheric grid, so to speak, or
these lines of force that are connected where those Tigley's,
if you will, or the, the, what do they call them?

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The strings, the vibrating strings.
There was a term for them, quartz quirks, quark quarks.
No, I, I forget. Be that as it may, you
understand what I'm saying. Is it possible that that could
be what we're missing in that science model that proves that

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the interconnectedness and the consciousness actually flows
through that? For instance, the Dow, the yin
and Yang, it's a 2 dimensional symbol.
What if it's three-dimensional? What if it actually symbolized
the light on and light off and the pulsing through our DNA
Helix? If you look at it, it's set up

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to where it that symbol shows the double Helix.
Yeah, I have no. That creates.
I have no. Idea.
Material. I yeah, I have.
I have. No idea about, I don't either,
but it you know, you know enough.
You start asking questions and it's just like, you know, it's

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like, no, it's frozen. I.
Do feel really strongly about the symbol about the Trinity or
the symbol like this is my the symbol that I wear around my
neck. Sure.
And I have for many years. I don't, I don't wear any any
other symbol and it it is like arepresentation of the three and
I and I find that there is such a power in just understanding
how many dimensions along which that Trinity takes effect.

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So, for example, past, present, future, right in, in Hebrew, you
know, 1-2 and three is literallyman, woman and child, you know,
and you know, the there are so many places where like observer
observed and observing, you know, like there's the, the

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thing that's being observed, thething that's observing, but then
there's the process itself as a whole.
And you know, as we know throughquantum physics, it is literally
the process of observation that crystallizes a sea of
potentiality into one particularform, 1 particular moment.

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And I find, you know, Schrodinger's cat, the whole
concept of superposition of States and the Heisenberg
uncertainty principle, where themore we know about the location
of a subatomic particle, the less we know about its
trajectory and its velocity. But the more we know about its
trajectory and velocity, the more its exact position becomes
kind of fuzzy. And you know the, the beam

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splitter experiment where we actually like find like, OK, we
fire this photon through a beam splitter and, and, and so it
chooses this path or it chooses this path if we set it up like
that. And so we fire it 1000 times,
about 500 times it takes this path.
About 500 times takes path. But then if we fire it and we

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wait the length of time for it to pass the beam splitter.
So it's definitely taken this path or this path.
But then we slip a beam splitterinto this place where those two
paths intersect. What appears on the beam
splitter is an interference pattern.
So that means that literally we fire this photon, it makes a
choice to go this way or go thatway.

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But there's always this like let's say it chose to go this
way in physical reality, there'salways this latent possibility
that's just existing in folded in time space.
And if we put something such that it can interact with
itself, because light is the boundary of, you know, speed of
light is the boundary of all of all motion or whatever, it means

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that light is everywhere at once.
And so as soon as as soon as it goes this way, and then you put
it something where it can interact with itself, this what
this just winks into existence so that it can interact with
itself. So it's just a such an
entanglement like transcendence of our idea of rationality and
logic and either or thinking andit and it gets me like to the

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point where I feel like, you know, consciousness, you know,
and the experience of love within conscious bring us all
the way back to what you were talking about in the beginning
between love and fear. This kind of, you know, this
kind of distinction in this division of, you know, that that
consciousness like is always this thing which is seeking love

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or seeking the experience of wholeness.
Because right when we're when we're in love, whether it's
you're on the dance floor and there's 1000 people around you
and everybody's dancing and everybody just like knows like
this is the perfect, but there'snowhere else we want to be.
Or whether you're holding your loved one in your arms, you're
looking in their eyes. Those are the moments where it's
like there are no more questions, there are no more

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goals or achievements. It's like we're already there,
right? So love is kind of that sense or
what I call love is the is the sense of harmony when we feel or
when you look at a painting you love exactly something about
that. It's the sense of.
Harmony that doesn't negate because we're humans, right?

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We experience chaos and there are patterns we haven't
recognized yet, usually perhaps all the time.
Yet there's that essence, that harmony that for that moment
that exist can. How do we extend those moments?

(01:08:21):
Can it I actually? Have a whole program that I'm
developing called Infinite Energy and it is.
I wouldn't have imagined that at.
All. And it is literally about like
understanding that what we all really want is not a thing.
It's not a person, it's not a car, it's not a job.

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It's a feeling that we imagine we're going to have.
If we get that thing. We, we, we want that thing
because we believe that we're going to have a certain feeling
inside us when we get the thing.But a lot of people, so many
people unfortunately, drive hardyear after year.
And finally they get the thing that they thought they wanted,

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and then they still somehow feelempty inside.
And they wonder why. And it's because they don't
understand that it's the feelingthat you're looking for.
And actually all the. Neurotransmitter all the.
Chemicals, as we were talking about earlier, dopamine,
endorphins, oxytocin and serotonin, these kinds of
chemicals that give us these feelings or are associated with

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these feelings, they're already within us.
And we actually can tap into ourability to express those and to
experience those without the need of an external goal.
But here's where also like, again, the truth, like is it the
truth? Is it not the truth that kind of
breaks down at a certain point? Because I don't think we're
designed as humans to just sit there and be able to trigger our

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own neurochemicals and just sit there and feel bliss all the
time. Like I think we're designed to
go out and accomplish things, but not to be attached to those
accomplishments. We're designed.
To be in community, commune, right community.
Interesting how those things arethere yeah and and even now, you

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know depend our experience oftendepends on from where we are
perceiving things perspective that again back to where even in
science, right. You were talking about quantum
physics and and the the split experiment reminded me of the
Higgs boson experiment, right. These guys were looking for the
Higgs boson, the God particle. First of all, it doesn't really

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ring for me that a particle without mass would get massed
out of the particles. That seems a little odd,
although with consciousness I suppose it's possible.
However, when you run 2 protons together at near lightspeeds and
you have an explosion, I don't know that it's going to create
fuse 1/3 particle out of that. It would seem the explosion

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would actually RIP a hole in thefabric between dimensions which
we know exists, right? Right.
So the scientists though didn't see a particle in their data.
They saw what they determined tobe the evidence of the decay of
a particle. So they projected a particle

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there rather than saying what else could it be.
And they were so locked in that I have TA from Lawrence Krauss
class. I guess Lawrence Krauss is a
world renowned physicist. He came to our science cafe.
And he was talking about the Godparticiple or particle.

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And I wrote a book called The God Participle.
I asked him the question, is it?Possible that it was a RIP in
the fabric that they didn't thatwas repairing itself.
And he looked at me like a deer in the.
Headlights. They had not even thought.
About that and I find that odd, especially with the radical

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curiosity that scientists have about understanding reality and
and the possibilities of it. Well, I, I think that when you
talk, when you start talking about other dimensions, I think
that a lot of scientists do kindof hesitate to go there just
because at this point, who wantsto be the first one to to say

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the thing? They express it numerically.
But they have no direct experience of it from which to
relate. Now there are processes.
There's a guy named William Swigard from 1950s that put
together a multi plane awarenesstechnique that takes people
through 9 planes of consciousness.
Do they explore? That no, that's seen as a oh,

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that's not possible. Yeah, there's.
Thousands of people. Who went through that?
It's it's a. You know, a place where if
things are just in people's heads, a lot of people just
don't even want to go there because they feel like, you
know, that they don't want to bethe one who's, you know, who's,

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you know, it's suggested about them that they're crazy.
They want to be very, they want to have, you know, credibility
and they want to be serious scientists or whatever.
And, you know, I understand thatbecause I, I have known people
who have started to take their ideas about, you know, what they
think and they just start actingon them without necessarily like

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doing, you know, well, that's where you test.
Your truth, right? You test.
Yeah. And it will prove itself.
And if it proves itself wrong, then you you got to, you know,
you got to adjust, right? When somebody shows up, however
they are believe them, right? Don't think them to be.
We have a tendency to want to see others.

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In the ways that we want to see.Them not necessarily who they
are. You mean believe them to be?
Sincere or take or take them at their word, and give them the
benefit of the doubt, and when aperson.
Shows up and they show you theirbehaviors, their activities,
whatever it is about them. They show you their being in
those few moments. Believe it, you're going to get
all. Kinds of sensory perceptions as

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to how they are, if you're looking right, if you're not
naive enough just to believe thewords and what you see with the
outer eyes, there's other energythere and, and people often show
up in different perspectives andor different masks that they
believe to be true that aren't necessarily so.

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Yeah, I. I have this.
It's another one of the sort of axes along which truth sort of
evolved. Let me be clear for a.
Second, I, I didn't want to takemyself out of that.
I've had masks too. We all have masks we that we
show up with sometimes dependingon the environment that we're
in. Mm Hmm.

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Yeah, no, I understand. Where you're coming from and I,
I actually support the idea to at at the start when you first
meet somebody to just take them at their word and give them the
benefit of the doubt, not necessarily, you know, trust
them with your life or whatever,but but definitely to verify,
right. Yeah, in the yeah.
Right, I trust but verify. But you know, in the context of

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the conversation, it does open up a lot more possibility to,
to, you know, take them at theirword and just be curious about
what it is they're experiencing.Because even if what they're
experiencing isn't factual or whatever, sometimes insights can
be gained through the way just looking at the, they're
perceiving things. I, I feel like one of those

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axes, like I said, of truth thatwe're, we're kind of touching on
again, is the whole truth. Like you should, you know, not
care about how others think about you.
You should just, you know, follow your own truth and you
should do that, right? And a lot of people these days
actually, particularly on LinkedIn, I've seen these kind

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of things like you should never care about what other people
think. And I think that, you know,
while that is good advice in particular for people who are
very timid, like if you're a person who naturally sort of
doubts yourself, then. You might need to, it's kind.
Of like the Neo, the truth that Neo heard from the Oracle,

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right? Like it is it actually the truth
or is it the truth that you needed to hear in that moment to
send you in the direction that'sgoing to help you flourish in
your life? So for those people, the truth
of the statement, you shouldn't care about the opinions of
others, right? Might be that that's true for
them because they need to hear that to lead them to find more

(01:16:55):
balance in their lives. But I think everybody has
probably known at least one or two people in their lives where
they don't need to hear that advice.
They already don't care about what anybody else thinks.
They already just take their ownthoughts about things and and
believe that it's true. And they charge forward, you
know, kind of almost blind to the feedback they might be

(01:17:15):
receiving from other people, where other people are like,
hey, actually what you're sayingis, you know, either a really
hurting people's feelings that you might want to care about, or
second, they're actually just not accurate because here's some
evidence of its inaccuracy, whatever.
But if you're a person who takesthis truth over here and you

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apply it to this person, then then you're going to find that
actually it sends them too far in that direction.
And the truth that this person needs to hear is more like be
humble and receive feedback fromyour community in a graceful way
or whatever that might be the truth as best you can anyway,

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you know, and this brings. Up the the paradox, right?
And I'm not talking about my purple ones in the closet.
The paradox is that it doesn't matter what other people think,
feel or believe about you, but what you and what you believe
about yourself. And.

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It doesn't matter what you believe about yourself, but how
others perceive you so. There's this delicate.
Balance and and you just illustrated that, right.
So you've got to be willing to test your truth.
But if it doesn't fit with the collective, maybe it's not time
yet. It still may be true.

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You've got to experience that harmony.
Which the listening. The observation, the engagement,
the love that you are in in order to receive those
perspectives. Is ever present.
And that makes that paradox unified.

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Yeah, yeah. So I well like a Mobius strip.
Then a paradox, right? Well, that that.
Is a a powerful illustration of of paradox A1 sided object right
the the Mobius strip. Yeah, I love that we've come,
you know, you know, near the endhere to wrap back around to
that, that main point of love. And and I'll, I'll share that

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like one of the most powerful lessons that I ever learned in
life is from, you know, among the largest near death
experience research studies thatwas done.
They found that, you know, many people had a common experience.
Not everybody has the same experience when they die and
come back from the dead, but there are a whole lot of people

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throughout time and across the world in different cultures that
have these similar experiences. One being, you know, some of
them are so cliche, right? Like the feeling of going
through a tunnel and then the light at the end of the tunnel
emerging. The being or beings of light and
you know, if you happen to be a Christian, sometimes they look

(01:20:14):
like God and the angels, sometimes if you're a Hindu,
they tend to look like the Hindugods or whatever.
But there are these energetic beings and then they say, well,
and the retention from your belief.
System. Yeah, right.
And then and then. You know, this is your life and
you get to review your life and you get to stay in any moment of
your life for as long as you want and kind of hang out and re
experience not only what you experience, but you apparently

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get to experience how everyone else experienced you.
And so in that moment, because there's no separation at.
That point there is no biological separation, it's just
conscious that. You get to be conscious in that
moment and eventually the theme all the way across all these
people throughout time. They're written, you know,

(01:20:58):
written, you know, reports from before, you know, video or or
even audio recordings were happening.
We find that the universal pretty much across all these
people, their experience is thatthey awaken to the fact, Oh,
life is about love. Life is about how I said yes to
love and I connected with peopleor there were other moments

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where I was too afraid and I said no to love and I
disconnected and that that was my experience.
And so then when you come to this like aha moment of like,
oh, that's what life's about, your life review ends as if that
was like the point of that life review.
And you talk to the beings and you're like, they're like, well,
we're so glad that you know now what life is about.
And almost every quick case theysay, but it's not your time yet,

(01:21:47):
go back now and then boom, people wake up, you know, having
the water pumped out of their lungs if they were drowning, or
they wake up on the operating table getting shocked or
whatever. They just come back and take a
deep breath. After the, you know, phenomenal
experience, yeah. Right and.
Then so, you know, bottom line is that, you know, if there is
this message from beyond the grave or whatever, like the, you

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know, largest number of people who have died and come back,
they have these common experiences that demonstrate
that life is about love. And I don't think anybody has to
go very far, you know, to to recognize the truth of that in
their own life. We feel like the best moments of
our lives when we think about them.
When I was the happiest, it's when we were in love, whether

(01:22:34):
it's we're in love with a sport we're doing, or we're in love
with a person we're with, or we're in love, you know,
whatever it is. And I've even broken down this
system where love, like you can look at every single aspect of
human culture and say that everything in human culture was
created because of love of some kind, somebody loved or was or,

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or was fearful or was afraid that there was not going to be
love. And I, I associated all of them
with the different chakras. So like the, the root chakras,
people who love to box or peoplewho love to climb mountains or
climb, you know, like they like to risk their lives.
It's like the root chakra love. And then there's the obviously
the sexual chakra love. I've been on the mountain, but I

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had. It I was belayed.
Yeah, I. I also was belated my few
opportunities to rock climb. I was also belated.
I was not not I'm not going to free climb.
Yeah, free climbing. That's pretty, pretty wild
stuff. And then yeah, there's the
sexual love. And then obviously, like the
solar plexus love is more about producing and creating and, and

(01:23:42):
moving and developing and, and then the agape kind of heart
love, you know, love between family members, love between
friends, the love of, you know, expressing yourself, whether
that's creating music or dancingor whatever it is.
The the like throat chakra love is like the expression.
And then there's the witnessing love that just drinking in love.
Like I there's a lot of people who don't necessarily like to

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paint, but they love to look at others paintings.
And then and then the love of that just sense of total union
with everything, that spiritual connection that, you know, some
people have their love kind of triggered more in certain areas
than others. And so it's one of the most
important things for us to do isrecognize how do you experience

(01:24:26):
love most easily? And are you doing the kinds of
things in your life which are connecting you to that
experience so that you can say, you know, at the end of your
life, you lived it to the fullest, you know?
Yeah, yeah. Can you and will you?

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And if so, when right there was old one of the processes?
Can you change? Could you if you if all this,
could you change? Oh yeah, would you?
Probably when. Oh my God.

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Oh my God, you mean how? And yet like you've experienced
in the bus, right? That blink of an eye, right?
The total connection, it just happens in an instance that
that's all you need. You know the I heard once that
read once that the speed of thought is 841 trillion miles

(01:25:33):
per second. That's interesting.
I don't. I don't know how you would
measure that, but to to go back actually definitely wasn't
measured by. Anybody from here?
I know, right? So I, I actually, I'm glad you
brought that back around becausethere were three distinct things
that happened for me on the bus and I only mentioned two of

(01:25:55):
them, right? So I mentioned that I had this.
I. I had this experience of of
going beyond fear and into bliss, and now I have this
reference point. It's totally sober at this
reference point of what total bliss feels like and that it is
possible and what it feels like and what is based on is our
sense of connection with everything.
And then the second thing was that I just redefined the word

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God it to mean reality. And then so then now I, I
believe in God, but not not in any religious sense, more of a
spiritual sense. And then the third thing that
happened for me is I realized that 99% of human culture would
look different if people had hadthat experience.
So my entire life mission becamehow do I share the experience of
unity consciousness? And so that's why my Skype

(01:26:39):
brother. Like company's?
My company's mission, you know, Skyfire Arts is how do I use
spectacular entertainment? Because people don't tend to
listen as much if you lecture asif you're telling a story or if
you're playing right. So especially today, you know
the one. To three minute TikTok videos
right right so how do? I use the Google.
For the Gen. X or Gen.

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ZS? That's just phenomenal.
You know these short quips? Yeah, it's a trip.
It's a trip, I think. How?
You can't, Yeah. How you can't really convey a
very profound or deep concept aseasily in these sound bites.
But, but I am, you know, I'm on TikTok and I, I'm, you know, I

(01:27:21):
am posting and stuff and I'm feeling like, you know, my
mission to promote ecological awareness or that experience of
unity and personal empowerment. The sense that you have the
control over your destiny that you really want, Like by
choosing your choice. Right, right.
Ultimately, Michael, this has been phenomenal.

(01:27:44):
I love it. I love you, man.
You're just a wonderful being. I love you too man.
Thank you, beautiful. Thank you.
What would? And that's, you know, men aren't
used to being able to say that and mean it, right?
It's this whole different thing.It's a whole different level of
love that we're able to share. And I appreciate that.

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What kind of advice would you give to folks for everyday
development of a discipline, let's say?
OK. So I feel like, you know, what
really helped me is that system that I talked about.
So if people want to find me, I'm Skyfire Arts on Instagram,

(01:28:29):
they can reach out to me and I have, you know,
skyfireacademy.org is my website.
They can reach out to me there and get a little more
information. But the bottom line is that, you
know, for me, I had a certain system and I actually developed
an acronym. It goes Remedradri half a Toti

(01:28:49):
and Poe Breva meta. And so these are, these are, you
know, so, so if you do the same thing every single morning, so I
rehearse the first thing I do isI rehearse my, my perfect life
or I rehearse my perfect day or,you know, first thing in the
morning, I rehearse I, I envision because we're going
through delta brain wave patterns, through Theta, through

(01:29:11):
alpha into beta as we're waking up.
So if you can catch yourself right when you're waking up and
envision and feel the feeling ofwhat the future you're dreaming
yourself into feels like, that'san incredibly powerful way to
program your subconscious to useyour reticular activating system
and filter your reality for the kinds of things that are going

(01:29:33):
to lead you to that future. I can't get into all that right
now. But bottom line is that R.E.M.
Madradri. So rehearse, make the bed, dress
in my workout clothes and then drink water.
And then half a toti is hair, face, tongue and teeth.
Because by stimulating your scalp or splashing cold water on

(01:29:53):
your face, scraping your tongue,brushing your teeth, you
actually stimulate all kinds of endorphins.
You wake yourself up, give yourself some energy and then
Poe Brevameta is poetry, breath work, visualization, meditation
and dance party. And so that's what I do every
single morning. I have this ritual.
So having a but starting with OK, so you said what advice?

(01:30:14):
Start with one thing, start withonly one thing.
And you know, if you just start with, for example, re Madridri,
just rehearsing as you're wakingup rehearsing.
What is my best life feel like? Where am I, who am I with?
What am I feeling like? What's true for me?
Is my job better? Is my, you know, relationship

(01:30:37):
better? Whatever it is, live there for
at least a few minutes right as you're waking up and then make
the bed. And if you, if you want, I'll
send a, a link or put a post a link about Admiral Mcraven.
No relation. I'm Ravenwood and he's Mcraven,
but he did a talk where he talked about making your bed and
he's a Navy SEAL commander and he has an amazing thing about

(01:31:00):
making your bed and how that onesmall victory actually gets you
some inertia for your day. So REMA and then Dre's dress,
you know, just, I usually have alot of blankets, so I need to
dress and then drink water firstthing in the morning, drink some
water, get hydration. And if you just do that, that
will anchor a morning ritual that then later you can add five

(01:31:24):
minutes of meditation, or you can add some breath work, or you
can add whatever you get. One thing.
Down for a little bit. Don't overwhelm yourself.
It's like all these programs, you know that that they throw
all this stuff at you and you expect it to do it all.
And you do for a little bit, andthen you go, Oh my God, I can't
do this anymore. Well, yeah, Be easier in
yourself. This doesn't have to be hard

(01:31:46):
work. It actually ought to be.
Easy because it is so natural and best for you it can be.
Easy and if you're in a cohort with a certain group of people
and you're all like pushing to do a certain thing, you can go
further and and do more. But I think I agree with you.

(01:32:09):
If you're on your own and you'rejust looking to just start
small, start small and get a victory and then go a little bit
bigger and get a victory and then that will give you the
inertia you need And as you celebrate your.
Victories, then you'll want to do more naturally.
Exactly. Bingo.
Super. Michael, thank you so much.
This has been absolutely amazing.

(01:32:32):
We went to all kinds of different levels and realms and
and opportunities for our listeners to explore themselves
too. Yeah, don't forget to listen
and. Subscribe Thank you, Michael.
Namaste. And in La Cage, thanks for
sticking with us for this episode of One World in a New
World. I'm your host, Zen Benefiel.

(01:32:54):
And for Michael and I, well, notnecessarily Michael, but for me,
I'll see you next time.

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