May 1, 2025 • 83 mins
Ep 194 One World in a New World with Lydia Lowery BuslerJoin Zen Benefiel as he explores the power of healing through vibration, sound, energy, and consciousness. Get actionable advice for holistic wellness in this transformative conversation about the new paradigm of healing.🌟 Enter the Realm Where Music, Energy, and Spirit Intertwine 🌟In this profoundly moving episode of One World in a New World, Zen Benefiel welcomes Lydia Lowery Busler—vibrational healer, composer, and “The Sage of Actualization.” Lydia’s journey is one of deep feeling, fearless transformation, and fierce compassion.From a childhood shaped by trauma to a near-death experience that revealed the peace of cosmic consciousness, Lydia shares how music, empathy, and soul-level presence became the language of her healing. Her story is not only about surviving—it's about transmuting pain into power and living as love in motion.This episode invites you to explore:💡 What does it mean to embody vibrational sovereignty?💡 How can trauma become a doorway to deeper awareness and creativity?💡 What is the role of deep listening in a noisy world?If you’ve ever longed to be truly heard, seen, and felt—this conversation is for you. 🎶💫🎧 Watch now and rediscover the truth of who you are through sound, soul, and stillness.Connect with Lydia: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lydia-lowery-busler-a46b8911/Connected Pictures: https://www.connected.pictures/homeComposer Site: https://lydialowerybusler.com/Movement: https://theOctopusMovement.org#VibrationalHealing #SoulAwakening #EnergyMedicine #SoundHealing #MusicAsMedicine #OneWorldPodcast #ConsciousLiving #TraumaToTransformationJoin this channel to get access to perks:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuZl_29zHxehqeL89KSCWFA/join_______Connect with Zen: https://linkedin.com/zenbenefielZen's books: https://amazon.com/author/zendorZen's Coaching: https://BeTheDream.com Zen's CV et al: https://zenbenefiel.comThe Octopus Movement (non-linear thinkers): https://theoctopusmovement.org Live and Let Live Global Peace Movement: https://liveandletlive.orgActivation Products: https://bit.ly/btdactivationAssisting in harmony among people and planet: https://planetarycitizens.net
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Namaste and in lockets and welcome to this episode of One
World in a New World. I'm your host, Zen Benefiel, and
if you would please like and subscribe below.
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Thank you very much for doing so.
This week's guest is Lydia LowryBussler.
She is an amazing woman. She's known as the sage of
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actualization. We met as part of the Octopus
movement, which is a group of non linear thinkers that have
gathered to help create innovative solutions for the
world's challenges. She's also a film composer, a
music composer, and she is a vibrational healer.
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So we're going to have a great non linear conversation, I'm
sure, and maybe we'll have a deep dive that you'll really
enjoy. So stick around, we'll be right
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Join this transformative journeyas we navigate the depth of
human experience. Lydia, it's really great to have
you here. I'm so excited about the
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conversation we're about ready to have.
Thank you for coming. Thank.
You so much for having me. It's my pleasure to be here.
You know, it's, it's such a wonderful opportunity to have a
conversation with somebody that thinks different, right, and
experiences life differently than most.
What I find that most of our guests and the reason that I'm
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doing this is to bring out theseinner conversations, these
activities, these interconnectedness experiences
that we have so that we can talkabout them because that inner
experiences at least half our life, if not more.
So we need to share that and help it emerge so that we can
have a better, more fulfilling life in reality.
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So in your younger years, because you, you've got this
phenomenal experiential life, I can only imagine how it began.
So how did it begin in in your initial experience and maybe
discovery of things beyond the physical world or or the inner
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life and and interconnectedness that you found early?
It's a it's a big question in many ways.
So many, so many stories and so many things that that happen.
And in retrospect I can say, Yup, I chose that.
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But. We always right.
We don't realize it till we get older.
Even early though, I, I realizedthat something was something was
up and I always had this feelingof flying, flying, flying and it
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just even before I had any reason to try to escape, to fly
to just felt like I was, I was flying.
And I grew up in a a rural placeand I spent a lot of time in the
in the woods. It wasn't so rural that we were
distant from neighbors, but we had a lot of woods in the state
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forest and I spent a lot of timethere.
And I also had this just plain old New England work ethic.
I was made to pull rocks out of the yard at a very early age and
fill a wheelbarrow and, and pushthe wheelbarrow over and then
over the embankment to where theB&M railroad was, you know, and
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so I just kind of got it got strong, so.
You had a railroad right next toyour property.
I my the 1st house up until I was 7 we had BNSFI think it was
that was 20 feet beyond our backfence.
Oh my goodness. Yeah, it was a little further
than that, but it definitely shook the the dishes and, you
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know, rattle. Every night it was that thicket
to thump, thicket to thump, thicket to thump, right?
And it was just a wonderful way to lull yourself to sleep,
right? Yeah, yeah, for sure.
And there was. And then there was just a river
back there and there were draft horses that would be exercised
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back there. And, and there was, I had a good
relationship with the birds and,and, and I was just born full of
compassion. But then I, I, I had a lot of, I
had a lot of abuse. And that was, that was something
that I lived with. And when I talk about it,
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people, you know, people get outraged.
But, and, and yet I forgave because I realized that that
abuse came from somewhere else. It affected my whole way that,
that I am my, my internal clock,my, when I could, when I could
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do things because I, I rarely slept because it was just, it
was, you know, a good decade of this many, many people.
And, and I finally did stop it as a teenager, but I always was,
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I never knew what to do with that whole system of dealing
with it because really what it was, was really hurt people.
And I told those people I know that you were hurt and you were
treated this way and. That was kind of my.
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Beginnings. Yeah, that was kind of my
beginnings was to actually allowthem to introspect and change
and be be witnessed. Even as I have people have said,
do you have a split personality?Are you, It's surprising you're
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alive. Is it?
No, I'm. I'm, I'm fine.
I'm, I just am. I just AM.
Right. And, and now do you find that
when, as you grew into this in your teens and beyond, that
there was a, a, a transformationof your own being and
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willingness to see things from adifferent perspective, where the
trauma you had experienced, you were able to transcend it,
recognize it for what it was, and yet be able to move beyond
it, reflect on it, grow through it.
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And then how did this, what werethe things that you went through
in internally to, to deal with this?
Because these are the things that are important, right?
This is part of that internal life we don't talk about.
And I, I, I hope that that you feel vulnerable and, and safe
enough that you can talk about that, because I think it's
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important. People need to have this
awareness and the only way that they can gain it is either
through the direct experience orhearing another that's been
through it and and can assist them.
Yeah, yeah, that's true. And we can only hear it once.
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We're ready to hear it and take it, take it in.
But and I and I won't pretend toknow exactly what happened.
It's more, you know, it's not a,it's not a brain kind of
knowledge. It's more like an an internal
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knowledge and an internal connection and an internal
compass that I didn't fully understand when it first when it
first happened, I sunk myself deeply into music.
I was educated in highly in music and art as a as a kid and
was I was sent, I was told to tobe sent to a private high school
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by the principal of the other ofthe school I'd come from and
they just said just just get herout of here.
I was a hyper creative and very well in high school.
I took more courses than there were in the academic day.
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And I was the only person in thehistory of the high school to be
allowed to do this. And a lot of it was because I
just kept piling on more and more and more Partially it's
just a perfectionism. Like if I, if I, if I had that
much to do, I couldn't, I, I, you know, I had an excuse if I
didn't do as well in it. And I don't think it was all
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that. I think it was also just just
taking in information and takingin information and taking in
information, which we all do. And what I got out of that was
signs that I didn't necessarily I, I just said, OK, but I didn't
necessarily understand where they were coming from.
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And I, I did remarkable things in high school.
I played with the Boston Symphony Orchestra.
I, I was principal Horn for Yo-yo Ma as we opened the new
Heinz Center in, in Boston. And, and then I got in a big
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crash. And that big crash put me in the
hospital for a really long time.And it kind of stopped the
trajectory that I was in. But the tendrils of that
trajectory were still there, that energy.
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But then I was, it was like I was in a, a cocoon.
I don't, I don't remember it notbeing easy, but it wasn't easy.
But what I remember, it was the first time I really understood
care and advocacy. This is this is a big, this was
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a big change. It as opposed to the everything
being kind of nebulous and beingand knowing that I cared and
just acting in the way that I could and doing as as we're.
Putting your best back forward in in everything you did and and
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because you were had the skill set and the intelligence that
you do, you excelled. I, I excelled, but then I
stopped it all. I and and did I stop it?
Did the world stop? It did.
Was it just a random act? I I I ended up being heinous.
There are some traditions that says there are no coincidences,
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right? Yeah.
So, you know, and then that was and that was it.
And suddenly I, I was in the hospital and then suddenly I
was, was on a life flight over to another hospital.
And I got there and there was, and I was intubated and there
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was half an hour to save my life.
And it, my life wasn't saved before within that half an hour.
And suddenly there wasn't this, this trauma of being intubated
live with a, with a completely squashed spleen and pancreas
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and, and in really, really critical condition, all the pain
just went away. And I was held and I was just
held and I and it was very peaceful and I felt support.
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Did that feeling of being held were you in body or out at the
time? Because I, I know you know, many
people when they're in those kind of situations, will exit
their bodies to, for whatever reason and see themselves or be
in another place, being held in safety and, and a nurturing
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place right as things are going on.
And then whenever you, when all the trauma is done in the, OR
then you re enter. Did, did you have an experience
like that? And, and was this part of what
brought you into a, a, a new understanding of, of yourself in
the world? While I recognize not looking at
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myself from the outside, but butlooking at the world from a very
high viewpoint, I don't There I was entirely.
I have trouble with the words because I want to use the word
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embodied, but it wasn't. It was more like and sold it was
my soul was held. I didn't.
I neither saw my body separatelynor did I feel my body.
I was a soul. I was the soul that I am.
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I don't remember being my human self at that point.
I just simply was held and then I and then I got a little bit of
human spunk or some kind of thing.
When when I wasn't going to continue to die, I was going to
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come back and and deal with all of this for the next three
months in the hospital. And then beyond that and.
And I, you know, got a little. I didn't want to come back.
This was really nice. I didn't look at it from the
outside. I was right.
I like, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, my, my human presence, I think, is my soul's presence.
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OK. Yeah, in in that.
And I think I I, I get it because I've been in the similar
place embraced by the light and and it it had this.
Did it have for that experience to you being vibrationally
attuned as you are? Was there an effervescent to
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your destined high pitched kind of sensation along with that
that just kind of made you feel like super alive in that soul
presence? Yeah, yeah, I'm there was
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possibly more of me there than there is when I'm enshrouded by
all this humanity. Yeah.
Doctor Laszlo would say, yeah, you're, you're in your higher
self and of course you're going to feel more whole there.
Yeah. Now in that coming back, when
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you re entered, were you able toor, or did you talk about the,
the experience or did you just keep it to yourself and, and
mold through it? And I know when I went through
mine, I wanted to talk to everybody and read everything I
could to try and corroborate or explain what the heck just
happened because it wasn't through any kind of trauma.
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It was a volitionary, I was in meditation, was asked if I was
willing to die for what I believed in and settle on cosmic
consciousness and agreed, yeah, I'm willing.
And then next thing I know, I'm in this brilliant light that
feels like everything. And and I also still feel
individuated in that, which is interesting.
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And I think it's that, you know,it's like the Vedas, right?
This is where I found the corroboration in reading the
Vedas. That and basically say we're all
divine threads connected to source capable of God
consciousness. Well, when I came back, I
understood that immediately we're all cosmic consciousness
condensed into form, just unaware.
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So I'm guessing that that experience that you had a
feeling your full self was actually a moment of cosmic
consciousness because you were totally connected.
Yeah. Yeah, and I recognized that I
belonged and that he's been connected.
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Now, how do we, because we sharethat similar experience and
would probably, I'd ventured to say we're, we're pretty
congruent in, in that sensation and and understanding of that
interconnectedness. How can, how do you think in
this, in these times when the, the world is in such turmoil and
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people are seeking for things and, and we know that this is
something that's real right beyond any stretch of the
imagination? How do we bring that kind of
information out that makes senseto others?
Because without a direct experience, we often sound like
we're whack jobs. Or, you know, in in the past,
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when I was younger, I was institutionalized because I
wouldn't shut up and the doc would not listen.
I wanted to him, you know, I want to try to figure my shit
out, right. And there wasn't the opportunity
to, there was diagnosis and drugs.
And I think that still happens today.
And it and it that was 40 years ago, 50 years ago actually.
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Oh my God, how old am I? So what do we do right now?
What what did you do? How did you handle that?
And, and what did you find was your for lack of better souls,
release into the world as a result?
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It was, it was angsty and, and also highly, deeply musical.
But I, I remember along with, you know, doing, doing the
things that I did, I've became aprivate chef.
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I was doing, doing my musical, my musical things on in, in
Boston. I was still very young, but I, I
mean, I graduated. I I was done with my school
early and I just all of this. Time was, you know, when the the
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brain wasn't exactly helping me out and and I but the.
But it doesn't mature till we're25 anyway, right?
The the brain was yeah, yeah. And, and I was doing a lot of
this stuff as a late teenager and everybody thought I was
older than I was. And it didn't, it didn't matter.
And it was, it was irrelevant. But the actual mechanism I spent
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time. I was highly, highly, highly
empathetic. So much so that I had to turn it
off After a while. It was.
Did did you ever lock yourself in for a time and and just not
go anywhere to try and deal withit?
Oh, frequently and and and I would say that I need something
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like that. And I just provided in my own
ways to this very day that I. Lot of people go into nature to
to do that. Yeah, yeah.
So, but yes. But I, you know, in the middle
of it, I was, I would be crying and beating my fists on the
sidewalk and, you know, and it was and just crying for all of
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life. I've had that and it's so
there's, I don't know that there's words, right, to feel
that depth of anguish and sorrowand it just, it's amazing and I
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know that feeling now. Did you have in the interim of
that, one of the things that happened to me when I was in
college and I got blown open psychically and I would walk
from the cafeteria to the honorsdorm and I would hear all of
this self deprecating talk that you would would always start
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with you, right? So I'm, I'm hearing, it's not my
voice, right. But as I'm walking by other
students, I'm hearing this. And it just freaked me out to
the point where I locked myself up my dorm room for a couple of
days until a friend came over and said, hey, what's going on?
And I told him we'd done some experimentation before.
And he said, well, were those your voices or your voice or
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others? And when he asked the question
and I realized it with others, it was like, oh, shit, I got to
learn how to deal with, right, If this is going to be a norm,
right? So how do you deal with those
kinds of things when you're so open and sensitive?
How do you create the filters? So you mean optional?
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Right, Yeah, I like to tell people now about having
sovereignty in your, in your energy, in your aura, in your,
your space, which you share witheverything.
But still you have this space here and my space has always
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been just huge. It it's been huge and and that
and that was that was maybe troublesome for.
Do you have fun with Tom then? Yeah, right.
Yes. My speech, I couldn't help it.
Right. But but yeah, that.
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Was my age right? Coming, coming, coming, coming
to grips with that has been experimental and I've always
felt powerful, but it also has made me feel really responsible.
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And that's kind of I'm honestly coming, coming to to grips with
the fact that I still have that like I believe in in self
responsibility. I think that that's one of the
most beautiful things that we'reimbued with that people that
people want to push away. And it's scary.
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And I'm saying, Oh my goodness, that's like, it's such a
beautiful thing. Part of self love, isn't it?
Yeah, yeah, it really is. What do you, what do you love?
What are you taking ownership ofby by loving it?
Why are? Why would you not be responsible
for for the paths that you're onand your place in it?
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Well, and like I said with the Vedas, right, here's 15,000 year
old document poems written in Sanskrit that says, look, you're
the creator of your life, take charge.
You have the capacity to do so. And so here we are today and how
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do we do that, right? Are we so powerful that we can
create our own reality? And now quantum physics is
saying, Yep, that's what's goingon, folks, How disciplined do
you want to get with your own thinking?
And I personally have come to the awareness that you can't
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think your way through a system built on vibration.
We've got a sense our way through it, which opens up a
whole new realm of how do we do this, right?
And the sensory expression that we have, and it's funny, you
know, you, I had a kind of a ratio, right?
We got 5 senses and 10% of our brain.
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If you do the simple ratio, you have 45 more with the other 90%.
Well, what are they doing right?Are they more tiers of the five
and finer and finer expressions that, that are deep, more deeply
connected in that energy structure that we are and that
point of awareness that we have that, you know, is connected to
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everything in our body? Because that's the instrument,
right? We're the receivers.
How, how do you translate that into sharing, you know, with
what you do in the compositions?Because I, I know you get this
wonderful energy and, and it's just spilling out everywhere.
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Yeah. How does that help you navigate
in in through the compositions and bringing that awareness into
them? You know, I'm not good with
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names. Now that may sound kind of like
a, a random Saquitur, but it it but I'm not good with names.
I can I, I do name the things that I write, but I forget the
names of them. I know exactly how they go.
I know exactly how anything thatI've ever heard goes, but the
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name. And similarly, I don't have
well, I'm a I'm a synesthete. And and so it's a lot of a lot
of my senses have been been cometogether.
But I think, yeah, yeah, but I don't, I also feel like it's,
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it's a it's a spectrum. And I realize that there are
parts of the brain that fire forthis, that and the other thing,
but there are also things that Idon't have any that are amazing
in my body that, that I don't ever think about.
I don't really feel about unlessI consciously say I'm going to
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heal this and then I'm going there somehow.
But it's it's the same thing I think with with music, just like
I don't like, I've never ever given instructions, nor could I
to my blood vessels to carry theblood that it does that they do
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and to the conduction of my nerves.
I learned really early to trust with the music that that's
that's my first language. At least that's my first outward
language. Otherwise, I, the telepathy is a
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is a thing with me and I but I don't really feel like it's
different than music. I really don't feel like it's
different than my voice, but thevoice itself will falter because
of the the mechanism and the, you know, blows to the head and
things. So the the voice will falter,
but the somehow that that other communication doesn't.
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Am I the way? The only caveat to that is that
I've I'm not doing it so much anymore, but I've I've actually
suffered with not with messages not being received, with not
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being able to impart what I'm imparting because someone else
is not open to to hear it or feel it or see it or sense it.
Sure. Well, I I felt that way for 40
years until COVID and because the listening just wasn't there
for me trying to explain what was going on with me, what I
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knew, what I understood. That was the indelible truth in
me and demonstrated by my experiences.
And yet, because of the lack of openness and and and the lack of
any event that basically stoppedpeople in their tracks and gave
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them the opportunity to sequestrate and self examine.
Yeah, yeah. And people were freaking out,
too. Oh yeah, yeah.
And yet, you know, that was the the bell that got run in rung in
the beginning of Co creating a new normal that we've all come
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here or many of us have come here to do.
We know we have that passion andpurpose within us to, you know,
coagulate possibilities that have been unseen until now and
through all kinds of different mechanisms.
And this is what I love about what's what Perry's doing is
he's pushing the envelope on that and necessary now in the in
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the music side of it. My wife's a trained piano
pedagogue. She grew up in Soviet Russia or
Soviet Union and was trained in Moussorkski College there.
It became a piano pedagogue. I love how the Russian system,
they pick children when they're young, five years old, and they
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do an assessment. We never do that.
And then they give, you know, look, the skill set, the, the
aptitude, the attitude, intelligence.
And then they give them a choiceof strands to go through.
And whatever they pick, then they're supported through that.
And singularly and yet still given a robust education around
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it, which is just freaking amazing.
But for me to I found this out, you know, as I got to know my
wife amazing things. And yet how do the and being a
piano pedagogue classically trained, that's her first music.
That's her first language. Yes, Yeah, yeah.
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I, I grew up watching Russian ballet and I don't even know how
I managed to do that, but I did do that.
And my connection to that being my language is, is huge.
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The influence of that on my language, but the way we take
music in this country or take anything in this country is in
this country it's other and anything that's not part of the
industrial norm is other. Our value is, is placed on us
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by, by our grades, which are given to us by us following the
directions of the things of the rhetoric which we are being
taught. And if you go outside of that it
then then it's other and it might be OK other as long as it
can be monetized and fed into the system.
But you know, it's, it's not, it's not very, it's not
supported at all. Well.
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You and I played with other verywell.
Yeah, yeah. And, and sometimes, sometimes we
would get in trouble for it. And sometimes some educator
would see and say this isn't trouble, this isn't device, this
is an artifice. This is.
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Brilliance untapped, right? This.
And we have. We are so incredibly intelligent
in our beingness. That's beyond the thinking, you
know this. We know what's right and what's
wrong. It is a very intrinsic sensory
level. We can sense it in in our entire
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being, and yet we just seek to love and be loved.
I think that the core of of our being just wants to be nurtured
and to nurture others. Yeah, and even the people who we
are at odds with in the world, at the source of those people,
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they want to be safe. They want to be loved.
They don't know how they are doing anything to make
themselves safe, even if it takes out all of humanity.
That's how hurt they are. And honestly, if there was some
way for them to feel unconditional love, it would all
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stop. I do believe so.
Do you think it's possible? I've always believed in the
ability for people to change, but I also think that sometimes
the change doesn't come until another lifetime.
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It's just not going to come in this lifetime.
That that's potential and honest.
I, I wonder myself sometimes. And you know, my awakening in
college, I was told that I had an experience of cosmic
consciousness with Points of Light surrounding me.
And I was told that these pointswere those that I was to work
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with in order to facilitate a new world order, which meant one
of harmony among people and planet, not the the side on the
hill when that they've they're trying to shove down our
throats. This is one that's emerging
through that capacity. We have to love and be loved
because that's what we really want.
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We want to create a world where that is the norm rather than the
anomaly which seems to be now. How do you see that the the
conversations of love and care and empathy and servant
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leadership coming into the environments that you frequent
now? First of all, bringing people to
feel them, to feel the parts of themselves that they have not
been, that they've they've pushed away or that they feel
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maybe the world has pushed away or that whatever it is to, to
bring them to the the source that is the cosmic energy flows
through us. But to facilitate that so that
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people can feel the unconditional love that comes
from the cosmos and energy flowsthrough us from the earth.
But to facilitate that, open to that, and just just foster the
spark so that people can feel that unconditional support, that
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strong unconditional support of the earth.
Well, and we are her children, literally.
We are made of the earth. Everything that we eat and
ingest, where does it come from?Doesn't come from outer space.
It's entirely supportive energy.It is it and it's and we're part
of it, but to feel that flowing through us so that we can
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eventually flow with it. Well, it's like that spiraling
you were doing with your hair, right?
It's that simple and flowing. And, and you're, you know, that
I was reminded that when you were putting your hair up, it,
it, it is that easily and freelyavailable to move with, just
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like you were doing with your hair.
You know, your hair is the energy.
We're all energy. I, I, I made a mistake in
conversation with Doctor Laszlo saying, well, according to your
quantum physics, we're 99% spaceand 1% material.
And he write, you know, almost immediately says, I would say
we're 100% energy. How can you argue with that?
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You know, especially with what we know in science today.
We are all energy, we just don'tunderstand how it all works yet
and how to be sensitive to it. Yeah.
And we, we try to label that energy.
Why? Because we're curious.
And that's actually beautiful. That's that's, that's really
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lovely. But we try to, we try to label
it down to the the smallest, thesmallest particle there is the
smallest. And if they keep getting smaller
and they keep getting smaller and they keep getting smaller,
why? Because yeah, they there's just
universes and universes of organization of this energy.
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And when we name it, we, we start, you know, creating all
these systems. But the energy is, is the
energy. And the miracle of it is that.
Here we are talking to one another and that we can even,
you know, say, yeah, energy, SHMenergy, and we can still talk to
one another. That's kind of a miracle.
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It is now and Speaking of the miracles and and the things that
have been happening over the last well, since COVID began,
but there have been definitely some miraculous events and and
networks and connections that have been made.
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How do you see this? Because you're right in the
middle with the octopus movementand and the creation of of the
films and presentations to sharewhat this I'll just say no
diverse activity and and acceptance of what it can bring.
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You know, because there are in that spectrum, you know, you've
got guys like Anshar who is just, I mean, brilliant beyond
imagination and able to pull things out, yet was non verbal
until he was 5 or 6. Now today, we, we still don't
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take into consideration what that might mean or to be able to
have enough to say, hey, you know, something's it's not a
miss. It's just different.
And in our school systems, we don't pay attention to the, you
know, the the differences in thekids.
Like with Gardner's multiple intelligences, you know, he
wrote the book in 82 and it's still not really being applied,
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even though, you know, we can see all these things.
It, it makes the learning process too complex maybe.
And maybe when it's too lazy anddon't care enough because the
teachers are, you know, overtaxed and, and they're
getting a paycheck. And that's where they get that
they, they get to that point. A lot of burnout in teachers.
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I fortunately didn't experience it, but many did.
I was in and out and probably inless than a decade.
So how do we, how do we nurture this openness to exploring other
possibilities beyond the differences, that there's
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actually some sameness there beyond what we perceive to be a
difference? I think there are two parts of
it and I you know, I there thereare more, but that there are
there are. Is there a reframe?
To is there what? A reframe.
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Well, for sure. But I think, yeah, I think there
are two, two parts. And one is is the actual seeing
and the seeing of of the variousgifts, especially with those who
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don't see the gifts or don't seeit as anything other than threat
is to just possibly for it to, to explosively blow people open
by by just sheer mass. But that's not the only way to
see it. But there's, if we can see the
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one, the one thing that makes us, that brings us together in a
kind of logical way is that there is no normal.
Normal is a statistic. It's AI mean all the of all the
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human constructs, including time, including everything that
we know. Normal is the silliest one of
all. And when we realize that normal
is is the cross section of people who like XY and Z and act
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in, you know, AB and C way we and that actually none of us fit
it. You know, like very few of us
fit it completely. We start realizing that, oh,
that thing that we give ourselves a hard time about,
about not knowing or not being able to do is juxtaposed to that
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other thing that we can do. And every single one of us.
I don't know how downtrodden dumb you think you are, peon.
You have a special spark and there's something that you are
uniquely brilliant at. But just as, just as a lot of
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conifers don't know the sea, thesea has its own special
properties that no one can deny,nor can they deny the special
properties of, of that conifer, that tree, that that maybe
Arctic tree. And if we've never seen the tree
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or the sea, how do we know that it's there and the gifts that it
has? And once we're introduced to the
sea and the tree and the sands and the steps and the and the
buttes and the and all the things.
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All the scenery. How do we know that those aren't
the best thing? Once we discovered the sea as
humans and that we could actually go across the sea, we
connected to whole other worlds and but it's all part of this
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Earth, right? And initially too, you know, one
of the things that happened morefrequently than not is that
those who did take to the sea were aggressors and took over
other places because they had the wherewithal, the power of
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the money and the resource to doso.
That being said, and our historybeing so, how do you think that
recognition, being able to to see the progression of a, let's
say, a planetary civilization that goes through its various
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phases in its own evolutionary process, which is not only
physical, it's spiritual too, because there's a combination of
that. How do you experience it in
yourself and see it in others During as we're moving through
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this critical time in our history where we're many people
are coming together with the idea that we can collaborate and
Co create a better world. Yeah.
There's a lot of indicators. There's yeah, there you can
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start to see trends. We start to see that other
people are shiny to us in some way and.
Or shiny objects, right? And, and if we've and if we've
seen that, we, we start to say, gosh, they're everywhere, you
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know, but what about the ones who see something, something
else? And how, how do we connect all
of that in and I won't pretend to know an answer, but I sense
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an answer I and I'm open to and I'm awakened to the importance
of the actual vibration of love.And the questions that help
reveal it. It reminds me of Rina Maria
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Milky and how he presents. You know, ask the question,
don't try to answer it. Let life answer it for you as it
will. Now.
That takes time, patience, discipline.
How do you develop the discipline to ask the question
and shut up, right? Because I'm not saying to just
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quiet yourself in response to asking the question and allowing
the answer to come. Because we, we are push and
shove and competing and and all kinds of things still today,
even though we have this idea that there is a oneness that
we're beginning to grok, we justnot able to interact with it
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completely yet 'cause we haven'tlearned how to fully collaborate
with each other. We still haven't learned how to
get along. Yeah, I and I would dare to say,
especially in the United States,we're not, we're not unique to
being a little bit oblivious to it, but we, but we do kind of
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lead the pack. I I, I wrote about this recently
on Substack. There's this There are so many
words for doing nothing in othercountries there in other
cultures, there are words for. There are so many more words for
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contentment and happiness and for.
Some of them don't even have a word for war.
Act right. And so and and actually,
interestingly enough, a lot of you know, we the Scandinavian
countries were, were very big a long time ago on on conquering
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other places. And yet they're not a stitch
like that now. Like they've gotten that out of
their systems, you know, and they are, they have evolved past
that. And it's like we're going
through that now. Could that be the evolutionary
process that's evidenced in thatculture?
And now we we will begin to see that others.
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Right. And when we saw the.
Process right when. We look to those countries, we
don't have any. What we do is to poo poo
daydreaming. I get every one of us remembers
that we were either called out for daydreaming or we saw other
people called out for daydreaming in in school and
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maybe in work too. And you need to produce.
And when you're not producing, you need to exercise and sleep
until you can produce again. And then you produce, you know,
like that's all we get. Einstein and Tesla both said you
got to have time to dream. Yeah, it's huge it and until we
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actually embrace that idea, don't give ourselves a hard
enough time that we don't dream and and allow ourselves to not
just and this isn't meditation where this is this is actually
allowing our thoughts to go where.
Do I? Want to and and then choosing to
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follow them or or or not, but not to, not to rein them back in
and not to attach them to the breath and not to to.
This is. Not flow.
It is just going and it's going and how is it going to discover
anything if it doesn't do that? Right.
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And we constrict ourselves, you know, the more often than not
when we're asked questions that get us to question our belief
system, we lock up and want to aggress on the person asking the
questions. Yeah, rather than going, oh,
that's an interesting question. I never thought about that.
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Let me you know because it's. OK to not have an answer, but
there's no need to get upset at the question.
It's not an affront, it's a question.
We don't have to have an answer right now.
In fact, it's best to let the question be for a while.
Well, what they taught me, I don't have an answer.
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I I don't have something I can pull from a book or or.
It's not. It's not even.
It's not the pages. Wait a minute.
It's not even accepted in our culture.
Yeah, yeah. So how do you move things into
that living word space that one talked about couple thousand
years ago? You know that we are the living
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word. How, how do we share that living
space with others in in ways that bring that willingness to
pause, reflect, and consider? Again two things.
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One one is deep listening, not active listening, but but deep.
Sensing. Where we allow ourselves to
allow our analytical side to to rest, allow our allow our
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consciousness to even just sit back and relax and listen that
deep listening. And then the other is another
kind of simple idea is to just do things.
What do you what do you want? What do you love?
What do you want? This is how I realized that I
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actually can, I can communicate with my dog who's very
traumatized. She, she came to me skinny,
skinnier than a rail and, and drinking water out of, out of,
you know, cigarette laden puddles and really and very
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traumatized and full of heartworm and, and, you know,
every vertebrae, every bone was sticking out everything.
And, and she had, you know, likea, a trauma about her.
And she's, she's still always scavenging for food, no matter
it distracts her. But the best way, the way I can
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talk to her and she's completelydedicated to me is to flat out
tell her everything that she wants to know.
I'm going to the store. I'll be back in an hour.
I will bring bananas. She loves bananas.
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I am going away for five days and I will show her you will go
in the bed, you will sleep. I will not be there.
You will get up in the morning. And Tristan, my, my, my son will
feed you. And then this will happen again.
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And I'll show her and then I'll say, you know, on the on this
day, I will drive in the driveway and I show her all of
that. If I don't, she wants to know
where I am. She's not calm.
If I do, she will, she will wait.
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She will if I'm late and I tell her those things and I'm not
telling her those things in words.
Sometimes I do, sometimes I tellher in in in words.
But it's what comes straight between she and I.
And if I hadn't really just actually put the faith in her
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and in doing that and in my desire for what I want and what
I love, I would not actually know.
She might still be struggling with me trying to to say, oh,
you'll be OK. You'll it's not about you'll be
OK. It's about this is my schedule.
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This is where I'll be and showing it to her.
Great, me to her. And that's just an example, but
like you have to actually try it.
If there's no evidence, if you've if you've never done it
before, what do you want? Do it?
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And it's amazing animal communication like that happens
so frequently. One of my guests was a horse
whisperer and, and she said the horses would telepathically
communicate with her and let herknow, I mean, it was equine
therapy, right? And they would let her know what
was going on with the rider or the person that was there to see
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the horse. And, you know, that kind of
communication we think is so bizarre and yet is actually so
natural. It's very natural.
Yeah, yeah. And, and I've, I've gone through
times in my life where I've goneup and down on that because I've
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actually heard insects communicating.
I they're not communicating withme, They're communicating with
one another. And they're and they're, they
actually have fear. They have.
They have. Large optic coming, we need to
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job away. It's it's, yeah, it's it.
And and to realize that is, is it's both you can, you can, you
know, be sickened and scared by it because boy, that's a lot of
information. Or you can realize that actually
that's that's that special spark.
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And just like, just like I died and was OK and actually, you
know, it was so peaceful everybody.
But when we who put any sort of angst into into death suffering,
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sure, it's hard to watch something suffer.
But when we when we love and we let them know.
That they can release that if they want.
There's nothing but if they can fight for their life if they
want to, or they can release to it and it's all OK.
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You don't have to do anything. It's so freeing.
Doesn't mean it's not without feelings sometimes, but it is so
freeing. Sure, absolutely.
The when you were talking about the insects and hearing them,
Lube and I were on the back porch one night, energy was real
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high. It was 1130, midnight couldn't
sleep. So we went outside and we were
sitting and talking and I kept and porch lights were on and I
kept hearing this buzzing. It sounded like a honey bee.
And I'm thinking to myself, midnight, this is no, you know,
and I'm listening. We're having Lou and I always
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have these deep conversations. So we're having a deep
conversation about self-awareness and being and all
that kind of stuff. And I'm looking around.
I hear this and being is A tag line here in a minute.
And so I'm looking around and I finally I look up and I see this
humming or honey bee right in the center of the Dome hovering,
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just flying there and not moving.
And like, oh, this is weird. And I look at blue and I pointed
out, I said, there's our answer.She was what?
And he said, be light. How much more plain could that
be? And of course we had a both had
a good laugh over it for a moment.
And I said, no, wait a minute. I got I got curious, right?
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I said, so are we perceiving that right?
And if so, will the, as we go deeper in this awareness, let's
just take a couple of deep breaths and and go deeper into
that awareness and see if the B changes light.
And it did. It was in about a six inch
diameter circle around the light.
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The the light's a foot diameter.And I said, OK, once it's
random, twice the pattern, let'ssee if it does it again.
Let's let's try that breathing and, and go deeper.
And we did. And sure enough, it flew around
the outside ring of the light for, I don't know, another half
a dozen circles and then flew off.
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So, right, weird guy like me. I'm like ecstatic about that
kind of interaction, right? Is it is so interconnected.
Now, if I were to talk to the average person about that, you
know, I don't know that it wouldgo anywhere.
You totally understand what I'm talking about because you
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probably had similar experiences.
Now how, how can we create that that greater interconnectedness
and respect for life and to be in that loving place when we're
being pushed and pulled to act in often aberrant ways?
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I know that's a tough question. That's I don't know if there's
an answer by talking about it. Just by asking questions gives
us the opportunity to explore it.
There's just like there is the, the vibration of the light and
you know, by light, I'm not saying that this light isn't in
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the darkness. This is, this is a, this is,
it's not just a light switch andit's not, you know, there's a
lot more to it, but there's, there's that level of vibration.
And then there's also the negative, the what we, what we
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call the harmful vibration, the and I don't, I don't believe in
good and bad. I, I just don't.
But there are things. That thinking only that makes
itself. Right.
But but our alignment to those things may may make something
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feel bad. It may, it may be exactly what
we need to learn because we're going to be or we are dealing
with this thing we haven't before and it's painful and we
say, oh, I'm triggered. Oh, don't do that to me.
But really what it is is it's only uniquely that way for us
because it's something we we need to learn or we can continue
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to rail against it for our wholelife.
You know, our, our choice, but on a, on a physical level and on
a fundamental level, we can be, we can be energetically tuned in
and buffeting against all sorts of low vibration energy.
I you know, I've had some thingsthat people would say, Oh,
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that's that's just that's your imagination or that's that's to
woo or I've always known that I'm powerful, but sometimes it
seemed like, wow, there's there's a lot of stuff to have
to castaway here and I was actually banishing energy.
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That was coming up against me and, and hurting, hurting
things, right? Yeah.
And I've had, you know, spiritual leaders say you need
to you're supposed to banish that thing when you, you, you
failed. And I, my, my lungs filled up
with water because they, you know, and, and all this, all
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this stuff like these energies, well, the more negatively that
you feed into it, the more you're going to have those
energies. So whether whether it's just
your, your neighbor voting for someone else and you, the other
than you did, or it's, or it's, you know, banshees or whatever
(01:06:34):
you want to call them that are, that are coming in and, and
somehow miraculously filling thelungs of, of people in other
states with, with water. You know, all these silly
things, right? But are they silly?
Or is it that? Are they silly or are they self
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created? Are they self created?
Are they because we can play with that negative energy and we
can manifest from it. And what is that?
It's just, it's literally. Just energy.
Low. And because we, in my opinion,
and, and I could be wrong, I, I don't have all the answers, but
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for me, I've noticed that the more disciplined I get with
observing my thoughts and managing them, the less
disturbance I have and the less appearance of that in my life I
have. And there was a friend of mine
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that I do believe in psychic attacks for a long time.
And I was visiting a friend, couple of your rancher book
students. We were talking in the kitchen
and and all of a sudden I get this energy from this beautiful
Great Dane that had a Dalmatian coloring to it.
I'm just beautiful Isis and a serious had two of them male and
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female and I got this really sadenergy from Isis eyes.
And then before too long, I'm feeling a sick feeling, the pit
of my stomach and my eyes got fade to black wide open.
And so I tell the guys, I said, I don't know what's going on
here, but I'm pissed because somebody's messing with me.
And the more angry I got, the more intense it became to the
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point where I got a solar Plex tug and that almost pulled me
off the floor. And they grabbed me by the
shoulders at that point. And, you know, Long story short,
I talked to a friend afterwards and and asked him what he
thought it was, especially was demonology, witchcraft and
sorcery. And he said, well, what do you
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think it was? And I said, well, somebody tried
to get through me or get to me through the dog through psychic
projection. I don't know if it was one or
several. He said that's exactly what was
happening. And the only reason you're here
is that you let go, which is what I did when they grabbed my
shoulders. So what he tried to explain
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after that was that the greatestprotection is none.
Yeah, and that's and that's the very if you want to see an
example of this just, you know, as a neophyte to any of this,
embrace Tai Chi an actual. Beautiful art.
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It is a beautiful art and, and every, and every bit of its
power is in its letting go. Every, even if you watch it from
a fighting standpoint, it's, it's letting go so that the
energy of the other outruns itself, or you can even amplify
(01:09:59):
it. But it's just letting, letting
go. And this is very, very much like
what you're what you're talking about.
There's a there's a place in Rome, Italy called called the
Memertum. It's the place where it's, it's,
it's an old jail. It's an old jail where actual
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where many, many, many people died, thousands and thousands of
people died and suffered. And the big, it's big claim to
fame is the fact that prophets had spent time there.
And you know, whether you followthis or not, there's for me, I
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went in there and it was like there was all the energy of that
suffering. Even all this time later, that
was just the energy of that suffering.
Now there was there's suffering all over Rome, right?
There's this is Rome. You know there's layers and
layers or cities upon. Anything that happens is going
to be residual energetically andand that's enough.
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You're going to pick up on it. But I, you know, I felt that now
I, I wanted to leave because I didn't want to feel that
anymore. But I stuck with it for, for a
while and it didn't drag me downbecause, but I could have, I
could have let it. I mean, there are places that
are such big negative energy sinks that people will step into
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them and unless somebody pulls them out, because they're not.
They're not quick to handle it. Or attached, attached to the to
the cosmic energy or they're notloose enough to just just slip
out of it. And those you can die in those
places. You can lose your life, just
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like you were just saying. And what that is, is exactly
what you're talking about. Like let it go.
You can, you can wallow in suffering, you can argue with me
about this. You can be in a war-torn country
and, and, and you are, you are suffering.
And for sure this is, this is terrible suffering, but yet let
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it go. Even if you perish from this
suffering, it's going to be OK. Just let go of the suffering
itself. That's hard, man.
It's hard, you know, We're, we're, we're humans living a
very human experience. And we are pummeled with reasons
(01:12:50):
to carry the suffering with us and and to not let go of the
trauma and. All the stories.
Not only are there no checked luggage, there is no carry ONS
on this flight, right It it's just in that definition of self,
(01:13:10):
it stands alone, unique and yet interconnected.
Yeah, Yeah, we really are. We can, We can purchase and
purchase and purchase and we need there's certain things that
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our human body, our body does need water and our body does
need food and our body does needsun.
You can't purchase that but you and our and our body you.
Know or you can rent it. I live, I live in Vermont.
Your body probably needs clothes.
It's you know, it's very it, butwe purchase and purchase and
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purchase more and we really don't.
Not only do we not need anymore,we're naked in the end anyway.
We're just. We are naked, we are US, and
that's really all there is. How do we live simply?
(01:14:16):
Do we do it by being austere? Do we do it by being minimalist?
Do we do it by shifting the the wealth or in instead of, you
know, investing in goil and ass oil and gas?
(01:14:38):
Yeah, I'm 40 and slip. I mean, how do we find that
equilibrium within ourselves to live our lives in our best
condition? Because that is a choice, right?
(01:15:00):
How we develop that choice and then be able to follow up with
the choice because the C word commitment has not been floating
too well. Yeah, You know, things fall into
place when you just do what you want.
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And I don't mean just what you want.
And I, you know, yeah, I want to, I want to race my my car
through these city streets. You know, I don't mean like
that. I mean like what do you really
want? That's the being.
That's the being that come, that's coming through, right?
The being comes first and then the doing comes natural.
(01:15:48):
It right you everything falls into place there.
There's there's a also an authorby the name of McCown who wrote
a book called essentialism and alot of people have read that
book, but he also wrote a book called effortless.
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And it really comes down to the more you're you're going toward
that, that simplifying, that connecting that when you finally
just go to the the source of what it is that you want.
Not just that I want to simplify, I want to, but you
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want simplicity. You simplicity is everything
that you're going for. It all simplifies itself.
And it might mean that you need to get rid of a lot of stuff.
I have AI have a, a house. I have, you know, a lot of
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shelves of, of, of books and music books.
And then you know, more shelves and books.
And you know, it means perhaps actually making a choice, but
the choice is actually yours. Like, are you going to walk away
from all that stuff? Are you going to give it away?
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Are you going to? But it just becomes very simple.
It happens because you want it. It's.
Like being a stripper in your own life, right?
Like that thing that you, that story that you've actually heard
before of me creating a medical miracle.
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I didn't create anything, I justwanted.
You wanted it, and you got it out of the way.
I got it out of. The way no, it could not happen
and that belief of anything is possible to those who believe.
So that I mean, there's a deep sense of faith and trust in
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yourself and your connection because it's all in creating
that energy flow that moves the disturbance into a more
harmonious configuration that's suitable for your own individual
body, mind and heart too. Yeah, yeah.
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But it really does come down to love what?
And in when you know what you love, you know what you want and
to access that love, if it's, ifit's, if it's simplicity, if
it's, if it's connecting to youranimals, if it's, if it's
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growing back body parts, if it's, if it's finding a a
partner, if it's finding purposewhen it comes from a place of
love, when you really sink down and they're honest with
whatever, whatever your judgement of, of anything that
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you love is whatever your darkness is and just let it go
And where, what do you love? It's there, it's pure, it's,
it's shining. And you say, Oh my goodness, how
could I not have seen this? And it may hit you like a like a
brick in the head, or it may just softly appear.
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I just love. This has been just, I love these
conversations and Lee, I'm so grateful for you, your work, and
your ability to share. And I know that it's going to
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affect some. Right, It might just affect one,
but that's enough, right? There's a ripple, there's a
ripple, ripple in. In light of this challenge we
have bringing it down to an individual level, what advice
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can you offer based on your own experience and how others might
be able to begin to tune into themselves?
There's a lot of distraction anda lot of the distraction maybe
ourselves, but really ask yourself what do I want?
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And start to do it. Just start to do it.
How do you do that? Throw yourself something that
you that you love, that's acceptable.
Give yourself a a scarf to startwith.
Give yourself a hammer, give yourself a whisk, give yourself
a paintbrush. But then just go.
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Thank you so much that that was just do it right Nike's motto.
Yeah, yeah, but not for anyone. But but you, you're when you let
yourself, the world will follow.Very much so.
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And support you. Yes it will.
And in closing, create your own momentum tunnel that brings
everything that you desire because of your attention,
intention and interaction to achieve it.
Let it come, because what you'reseeking is also seeking you.
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Believe it. Yeah.
Cool. Lydia, thank you so much.
Again, this has been phenomenal.I appreciate everything about
you, and I'm sure our audience will too.
Thank you for having me here. It's just beautiful
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conversation. Thank you again, and Namaste and
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This week's guest is Lydia LowryBussler.
She is an amazing woman. She's known as the sage of
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actualization. We met as part of the Octopus
movement, which is a group of non linear thinkers that have
gathered to help create innovative solutions for the
world's challenges. She's also a film composer, a
music composer, and she is a vibrational healer.
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human experience. Lydia, it's really great to have
you here. I'm so excited about the
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conversation we're about ready to have.
Thank you for coming. Thank.
You so much for having me. It's my pleasure to be here.
You know, it's, it's such a wonderful opportunity to have a
conversation with somebody that thinks different, right, and
experiences life differently than most.
What I find that most of our guests and the reason that I'm
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doing this is to bring out theseinner conversations, these
activities, these interconnectedness experiences
that we have so that we can talkabout them because that inner
experiences at least half our life, if not more.
So we need to share that and help it emerge so that we can
have a better, more fulfilling life in reality.
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So in your younger years, because you, you've got this
phenomenal experiential life, I can only imagine how it began.
So how did it begin in in your initial experience and maybe
discovery of things beyond the physical world or or the inner
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life and and interconnectedness that you found early?
It's a it's a big question in many ways.
So many, so many stories and so many things that that happen.
And in retrospect I can say, Yup, I chose that.
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But. We always right.
We don't realize it till we get older.
Even early though, I, I realizedthat something was something was
up and I always had this feelingof flying, flying, flying and it
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just even before I had any reason to try to escape, to fly
to just felt like I was, I was flying.
And I grew up in a a rural placeand I spent a lot of time in the
in the woods. It wasn't so rural that we were
distant from neighbors, but we had a lot of woods in the state
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forest and I spent a lot of timethere.
And I also had this just plain old New England work ethic.
I was made to pull rocks out of the yard at a very early age and
fill a wheelbarrow and, and pushthe wheelbarrow over and then
over the embankment to where theB&M railroad was, you know, and
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so I just kind of got it got strong, so.
You had a railroad right next toyour property.
I my the 1st house up until I was 7 we had BNSFI think it was
that was 20 feet beyond our backfence.
Oh my goodness. Yeah, it was a little further
than that, but it definitely shook the the dishes and, you
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know, rattle. Every night it was that thicket
to thump, thicket to thump, thicket to thump, right?
And it was just a wonderful way to lull yourself to sleep,
right? Yeah, yeah, for sure.
And there was. And then there was just a river
back there and there were draft horses that would be exercised
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back there. And, and there was, I had a good
relationship with the birds and,and, and I was just born full of
compassion. But then I, I, I had a lot of, I
had a lot of abuse. And that was, that was something
that I lived with. And when I talk about it,
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people, you know, people get outraged.
But, and, and yet I forgave because I realized that that
abuse came from somewhere else. It affected my whole way that,
that I am my, my internal clock,my, when I could, when I could
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do things because I, I rarely slept because it was just, it
was, you know, a good decade of this many, many people.
And, and I finally did stop it as a teenager, but I always was,
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I never knew what to do with that whole system of dealing
with it because really what it was, was really hurt people.
And I told those people I know that you were hurt and you were
treated this way and. That was kind of my.
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Beginnings. Yeah, that was kind of my
beginnings was to actually allowthem to introspect and change
and be be witnessed. Even as I have people have said,
do you have a split personality?Are you, It's surprising you're
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alive. Is it?
No, I'm. I'm, I'm fine.
I'm, I just am. I just AM.
Right. And, and now do you find that
when, as you grew into this in your teens and beyond, that
there was a, a, a transformationof your own being and
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willingness to see things from adifferent perspective, where the
trauma you had experienced, you were able to transcend it,
recognize it for what it was, and yet be able to move beyond
it, reflect on it, grow through it.
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And then how did this, what werethe things that you went through
in internally to, to deal with this?
Because these are the things that are important, right?
This is part of that internal life we don't talk about.
And I, I, I hope that that you feel vulnerable and, and safe
enough that you can talk about that, because I think it's
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important. People need to have this
awareness and the only way that they can gain it is either
through the direct experience orhearing another that's been
through it and and can assist them.
Yeah, yeah, that's true. And we can only hear it once.
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We're ready to hear it and take it, take it in.
But and I and I won't pretend toknow exactly what happened.
It's more, you know, it's not a,it's not a brain kind of
knowledge. It's more like an an internal
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knowledge and an internal connection and an internal
compass that I didn't fully understand when it first when it
first happened, I sunk myself deeply into music.
I was educated in highly in music and art as a as a kid and
was I was sent, I was told to tobe sent to a private high school
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by the principal of the other ofthe school I'd come from and
they just said just just get herout of here.
I was a hyper creative and very well in high school.
I took more courses than there were in the academic day.
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And I was the only person in thehistory of the high school to be
allowed to do this. And a lot of it was because I
just kept piling on more and more and more Partially it's
just a perfectionism. Like if I, if I, if I had that
much to do, I couldn't, I, I, you know, I had an excuse if I
didn't do as well in it. And I don't think it was all
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that. I think it was also just just
taking in information and takingin information and taking in
information, which we all do. And what I got out of that was
signs that I didn't necessarily I, I just said, OK, but I didn't
necessarily understand where they were coming from.
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And I, I did remarkable things in high school.
I played with the Boston Symphony Orchestra.
I, I was principal Horn for Yo-yo Ma as we opened the new
Heinz Center in, in Boston. And, and then I got in a big
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crash. And that big crash put me in the
hospital for a really long time.And it kind of stopped the
trajectory that I was in. But the tendrils of that
trajectory were still there, that energy.
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But then I was, it was like I was in a, a cocoon.
I don't, I don't remember it notbeing easy, but it wasn't easy.
But what I remember, it was the first time I really understood
care and advocacy. This is this is a big, this was
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a big change. It as opposed to the everything
being kind of nebulous and beingand knowing that I cared and
just acting in the way that I could and doing as as we're.
Putting your best back forward in in everything you did and and
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because you were had the skill set and the intelligence that
you do, you excelled. I, I excelled, but then I
stopped it all. I and and did I stop it?
Did the world stop? It did.
Was it just a random act? I I I ended up being heinous.
There are some traditions that says there are no coincidences,
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right? Yeah.
So, you know, and then that was and that was it.
And suddenly I, I was in the hospital and then suddenly I
was, was on a life flight over to another hospital.
And I got there and there was, and I was intubated and there
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was half an hour to save my life.
And it, my life wasn't saved before within that half an hour.
And suddenly there wasn't this, this trauma of being intubated
live with a, with a completely squashed spleen and pancreas
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and, and in really, really critical condition, all the pain
just went away. And I was held and I was just
held and I and it was very peaceful and I felt support.
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Did that feeling of being held were you in body or out at the
time? Because I, I know you know, many
people when they're in those kind of situations, will exit
their bodies to, for whatever reason and see themselves or be
in another place, being held in safety and, and a nurturing
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place right as things are going on.
And then whenever you, when all the trauma is done in the, OR
then you re enter. Did, did you have an experience
like that? And, and was this part of what
brought you into a, a, a new understanding of, of yourself in
the world? While I recognize not looking at
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myself from the outside, but butlooking at the world from a very
high viewpoint, I don't There I was entirely.
I have trouble with the words because I want to use the word
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embodied, but it wasn't. It was more like and sold it was
my soul was held. I didn't.
I neither saw my body separatelynor did I feel my body.
I was a soul. I was the soul that I am.
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I don't remember being my human self at that point.
I just simply was held and then I and then I got a little bit of
human spunk or some kind of thing.
When when I wasn't going to continue to die, I was going to
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come back and and deal with all of this for the next three
months in the hospital. And then beyond that and.
And I, you know, got a little. I didn't want to come back.
This was really nice. I didn't look at it from the
outside. I was right.
I like, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, my, my human presence, I think, is my soul's presence.
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OK. Yeah, in in that.
And I think I I, I get it because I've been in the similar
place embraced by the light and and it it had this.
Did it have for that experience to you being vibrationally
attuned as you are? Was there an effervescent to
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your destined high pitched kind of sensation along with that
that just kind of made you feel like super alive in that soul
presence? Yeah, yeah, I'm there was
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possibly more of me there than there is when I'm enshrouded by
all this humanity. Yeah.
Doctor Laszlo would say, yeah, you're, you're in your higher
self and of course you're going to feel more whole there.
Yeah. Now in that coming back, when
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you re entered, were you able toor, or did you talk about the,
the experience or did you just keep it to yourself and, and
mold through it? And I know when I went through
mine, I wanted to talk to everybody and read everything I
could to try and corroborate or explain what the heck just
happened because it wasn't through any kind of trauma.
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It was a volitionary, I was in meditation, was asked if I was
willing to die for what I believed in and settle on cosmic
consciousness and agreed, yeah, I'm willing.
And then next thing I know, I'm in this brilliant light that
feels like everything. And and I also still feel
individuated in that, which is interesting.
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And I think it's that, you know,it's like the Vedas, right?
This is where I found the corroboration in reading the
Vedas. That and basically say we're all
divine threads connected to source capable of God
consciousness. Well, when I came back, I
understood that immediately we're all cosmic consciousness
condensed into form, just unaware.
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So I'm guessing that that experience that you had a
feeling your full self was actually a moment of cosmic
consciousness because you were totally connected.
Yeah. Yeah, and I recognized that I
belonged and that he's been connected.
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Now, how do we, because we sharethat similar experience and
would probably, I'd ventured to say we're, we're pretty
congruent in, in that sensation and and understanding of that
interconnectedness. How can, how do you think in
this, in these times when the, the world is in such turmoil and
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people are seeking for things and, and we know that this is
something that's real right beyond any stretch of the
imagination? How do we bring that kind of
information out that makes senseto others?
Because without a direct experience, we often sound like
we're whack jobs. Or, you know, in in the past,
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when I was younger, I was institutionalized because I
wouldn't shut up and the doc would not listen.
I wanted to him, you know, I want to try to figure my shit
out, right. And there wasn't the opportunity
to, there was diagnosis and drugs.
And I think that still happens today.
And it and it that was 40 years ago, 50 years ago actually.
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Oh my God, how old am I? So what do we do right now?
What what did you do? How did you handle that?
And, and what did you find was your for lack of better souls,
release into the world as a result?
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It was, it was angsty and, and also highly, deeply musical.
But I, I remember along with, you know, doing, doing the
things that I did, I've became aprivate chef.
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I was doing, doing my musical, my musical things on in, in
Boston. I was still very young, but I, I
mean, I graduated. I I was done with my school
early and I just all of this. Time was, you know, when the the
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brain wasn't exactly helping me out and and I but the.
But it doesn't mature till we're25 anyway, right?
The the brain was yeah, yeah. And, and I was doing a lot of
this stuff as a late teenager and everybody thought I was
older than I was. And it didn't, it didn't matter.
And it was, it was irrelevant. But the actual mechanism I spent
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time. I was highly, highly, highly
empathetic. So much so that I had to turn it
off After a while. It was.
Did did you ever lock yourself in for a time and and just not
go anywhere to try and deal withit?
Oh, frequently and and and I would say that I need something
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like that. And I just provided in my own
ways to this very day that I. Lot of people go into nature to
to do that. Yeah, yeah.
So, but yes. But I, you know, in the middle
of it, I was, I would be crying and beating my fists on the
sidewalk and, you know, and it was and just crying for all of
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life. I've had that and it's so
there's, I don't know that there's words, right, to feel
that depth of anguish and sorrowand it just, it's amazing and I
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know that feeling now. Did you have in the interim of
that, one of the things that happened to me when I was in
college and I got blown open psychically and I would walk
from the cafeteria to the honorsdorm and I would hear all of
this self deprecating talk that you would would always start
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with you, right? So I'm, I'm hearing, it's not my
voice, right. But as I'm walking by other
students, I'm hearing this. And it just freaked me out to
the point where I locked myself up my dorm room for a couple of
days until a friend came over and said, hey, what's going on?
And I told him we'd done some experimentation before.
And he said, well, were those your voices or your voice or
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others? And when he asked the question
and I realized it with others, it was like, oh, shit, I got to
learn how to deal with, right, If this is going to be a norm,
right? So how do you deal with those
kinds of things when you're so open and sensitive?
How do you create the filters? So you mean optional?
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Right, Yeah, I like to tell people now about having
sovereignty in your, in your energy, in your aura, in your,
your space, which you share witheverything.
But still you have this space here and my space has always
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been just huge. It it's been huge and and that
and that was that was maybe troublesome for.
Do you have fun with Tom then? Yeah, right.
Yes. My speech, I couldn't help it.
Right. But but yeah, that.
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Was my age right? Coming, coming, coming, coming
to grips with that has been experimental and I've always
felt powerful, but it also has made me feel really responsible.
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And that's kind of I'm honestly coming, coming to to grips with
the fact that I still have that like I believe in in self
responsibility. I think that that's one of the
most beautiful things that we'reimbued with that people that
people want to push away. And it's scary.
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And I'm saying, Oh my goodness, that's like, it's such a
beautiful thing. Part of self love, isn't it?
Yeah, yeah, it really is. What do you, what do you love?
What are you taking ownership ofby by loving it?
Why are? Why would you not be responsible
for for the paths that you're onand your place in it?
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Well, and like I said with the Vedas, right, here's 15,000 year
old document poems written in Sanskrit that says, look, you're
the creator of your life, take charge.
You have the capacity to do so. And so here we are today and how
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do we do that, right? Are we so powerful that we can
create our own reality? And now quantum physics is
saying, Yep, that's what's goingon, folks, How disciplined do
you want to get with your own thinking?
And I personally have come to the awareness that you can't
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think your way through a system built on vibration.
We've got a sense our way through it, which opens up a
whole new realm of how do we do this, right?
And the sensory expression that we have, and it's funny, you
know, you, I had a kind of a ratio, right?
We got 5 senses and 10% of our brain.
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If you do the simple ratio, you have 45 more with the other 90%.
Well, what are they doing right?Are they more tiers of the five
and finer and finer expressions that, that are deep, more deeply
connected in that energy structure that we are and that
point of awareness that we have that, you know, is connected to
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everything in our body? Because that's the instrument,
right? We're the receivers.
How, how do you translate that into sharing, you know, with
what you do in the compositions?Because I, I know you get this
wonderful energy and, and it's just spilling out everywhere.
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Yeah. How does that help you navigate
in in through the compositions and bringing that awareness into
them? You know, I'm not good with
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names. Now that may sound kind of like
a, a random Saquitur, but it it but I'm not good with names.
I can I, I do name the things that I write, but I forget the
names of them. I know exactly how they go.
I know exactly how anything thatI've ever heard goes, but the
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name. And similarly, I don't have
well, I'm a I'm a synesthete. And and so it's a lot of a lot
of my senses have been been cometogether.
But I think, yeah, yeah, but I don't, I also feel like it's,
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it's a it's a spectrum. And I realize that there are
parts of the brain that fire forthis, that and the other thing,
but there are also things that Idon't have any that are amazing
in my body that, that I don't ever think about.
I don't really feel about unlessI consciously say I'm going to
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heal this and then I'm going there somehow.
But it's it's the same thing I think with with music, just like
I don't like, I've never ever given instructions, nor could I
to my blood vessels to carry theblood that it does that they do
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and to the conduction of my nerves.
I learned really early to trust with the music that that's
that's my first language. At least that's my first outward
language. Otherwise, I, the telepathy is a
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is a thing with me and I but I don't really feel like it's
different than music. I really don't feel like it's
different than my voice, but thevoice itself will falter because
of the the mechanism and the, you know, blows to the head and
things. So the the voice will falter,
but the somehow that that other communication doesn't.
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Am I the way? The only caveat to that is that
I've I'm not doing it so much anymore, but I've I've actually
suffered with not with messages not being received, with not
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being able to impart what I'm imparting because someone else
is not open to to hear it or feel it or see it or sense it.
Sure. Well, I I felt that way for 40
years until COVID and because the listening just wasn't there
for me trying to explain what was going on with me, what I
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knew, what I understood. That was the indelible truth in
me and demonstrated by my experiences.
And yet, because of the lack of openness and and and the lack of
any event that basically stoppedpeople in their tracks and gave
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them the opportunity to sequestrate and self examine.
Yeah, yeah. And people were freaking out,
too. Oh yeah, yeah.
And yet, you know, that was the the bell that got run in rung in
the beginning of Co creating a new normal that we've all come
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here or many of us have come here to do.
We know we have that passion andpurpose within us to, you know,
coagulate possibilities that have been unseen until now and
through all kinds of different mechanisms.
And this is what I love about what's what Perry's doing is
he's pushing the envelope on that and necessary now in the in
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the music side of it. My wife's a trained piano
pedagogue. She grew up in Soviet Russia or
Soviet Union and was trained in Moussorkski College there.
It became a piano pedagogue. I love how the Russian system,
they pick children when they're young, five years old, and they
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do an assessment. We never do that.
And then they give, you know, look, the skill set, the, the
aptitude, the attitude, intelligence.
And then they give them a choiceof strands to go through.
And whatever they pick, then they're supported through that.
And singularly and yet still given a robust education around
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it, which is just freaking amazing.
But for me to I found this out, you know, as I got to know my
wife amazing things. And yet how do the and being a
piano pedagogue classically trained, that's her first music.
That's her first language. Yes, Yeah, yeah.
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I, I grew up watching Russian ballet and I don't even know how
I managed to do that, but I did do that.
And my connection to that being my language is, is huge.
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The influence of that on my language, but the way we take
music in this country or take anything in this country is in
this country it's other and anything that's not part of the
industrial norm is other. Our value is, is placed on us
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by, by our grades, which are given to us by us following the
directions of the things of the rhetoric which we are being
taught. And if you go outside of that it
then then it's other and it might be OK other as long as it
can be monetized and fed into the system.
But you know, it's, it's not, it's not very, it's not
supported at all. Well.
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You and I played with other verywell.
Yeah, yeah. And, and sometimes, sometimes we
would get in trouble for it. And sometimes some educator
would see and say this isn't trouble, this isn't device, this
is an artifice. This is.
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Brilliance untapped, right? This.
And we have. We are so incredibly intelligent
in our beingness. That's beyond the thinking, you
know this. We know what's right and what's
wrong. It is a very intrinsic sensory
level. We can sense it in in our entire
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being, and yet we just seek to love and be loved.
I think that the core of of our being just wants to be nurtured
and to nurture others. Yeah, and even the people who we
are at odds with in the world, at the source of those people,
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they want to be safe. They want to be loved.
They don't know how they are doing anything to make
themselves safe, even if it takes out all of humanity.
That's how hurt they are. And honestly, if there was some
way for them to feel unconditional love, it would all
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stop. I do believe so.
Do you think it's possible? I've always believed in the
ability for people to change, but I also think that sometimes
the change doesn't come until another lifetime.
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It's just not going to come in this lifetime.
That that's potential and honest.
I, I wonder myself sometimes. And you know, my awakening in
college, I was told that I had an experience of cosmic
consciousness with Points of Light surrounding me.
And I was told that these pointswere those that I was to work
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with in order to facilitate a new world order, which meant one
of harmony among people and planet, not the the side on the
hill when that they've they're trying to shove down our
throats. This is one that's emerging
through that capacity. We have to love and be loved
because that's what we really want.
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We want to create a world where that is the norm rather than the
anomaly which seems to be now. How do you see that the the
conversations of love and care and empathy and servant
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leadership coming into the environments that you frequent
now? First of all, bringing people to
feel them, to feel the parts of themselves that they have not
been, that they've they've pushed away or that they feel
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maybe the world has pushed away or that whatever it is to, to
bring them to the the source that is the cosmic energy flows
through us. But to facilitate that so that
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people can feel the unconditional love that comes
from the cosmos and energy flowsthrough us from the earth.
But to facilitate that, open to that, and just just foster the
spark so that people can feel that unconditional support, that
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strong unconditional support of the earth.
Well, and we are her children, literally.
We are made of the earth. Everything that we eat and
ingest, where does it come from?Doesn't come from outer space.
It's entirely supportive energy.It is it and it's and we're part
of it, but to feel that flowing through us so that we can
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eventually flow with it. Well, it's like that spiraling
you were doing with your hair, right?
It's that simple and flowing. And, and you're, you know, that
I was reminded that when you were putting your hair up, it,
it, it is that easily and freelyavailable to move with, just
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like you were doing with your hair.
You know, your hair is the energy.
We're all energy. I, I, I made a mistake in
conversation with Doctor Laszlo saying, well, according to your
quantum physics, we're 99% spaceand 1% material.
And he write, you know, almost immediately says, I would say
we're 100% energy. How can you argue with that?
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You know, especially with what we know in science today.
We are all energy, we just don'tunderstand how it all works yet
and how to be sensitive to it. Yeah.
And we, we try to label that energy.
Why? Because we're curious.
And that's actually beautiful. That's that's, that's really
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lovely. But we try to, we try to label
it down to the the smallest, thesmallest particle there is the
smallest. And if they keep getting smaller
and they keep getting smaller and they keep getting smaller,
why? Because yeah, they there's just
universes and universes of organization of this energy.
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And when we name it, we, we start, you know, creating all
these systems. But the energy is, is the
energy. And the miracle of it is that.
Here we are talking to one another and that we can even,
you know, say, yeah, energy, SHMenergy, and we can still talk to
one another. That's kind of a miracle.
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It is now and Speaking of the miracles and and the things that
have been happening over the last well, since COVID began,
but there have been definitely some miraculous events and and
networks and connections that have been made.
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How do you see this? Because you're right in the
middle with the octopus movementand and the creation of of the
films and presentations to sharewhat this I'll just say no
diverse activity and and acceptance of what it can bring.
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You know, because there are in that spectrum, you know, you've
got guys like Anshar who is just, I mean, brilliant beyond
imagination and able to pull things out, yet was non verbal
until he was 5 or 6. Now today, we, we still don't
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take into consideration what that might mean or to be able to
have enough to say, hey, you know, something's it's not a
miss. It's just different.
And in our school systems, we don't pay attention to the, you
know, the the differences in thekids.
Like with Gardner's multiple intelligences, you know, he
wrote the book in 82 and it's still not really being applied,
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even though, you know, we can see all these things.
It, it makes the learning process too complex maybe.
And maybe when it's too lazy anddon't care enough because the
teachers are, you know, overtaxed and, and they're
getting a paycheck. And that's where they get that
they, they get to that point. A lot of burnout in teachers.
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I fortunately didn't experience it, but many did.
I was in and out and probably inless than a decade.
So how do we, how do we nurture this openness to exploring other
possibilities beyond the differences, that there's
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actually some sameness there beyond what we perceive to be a
difference? I think there are two parts of
it and I you know, I there thereare more, but that there are
there are. Is there a reframe?
To is there what? A reframe.
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Well, for sure. But I think, yeah, I think there
are two, two parts. And one is is the actual seeing
and the seeing of of the variousgifts, especially with those who
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don't see the gifts or don't seeit as anything other than threat
is to just possibly for it to, to explosively blow people open
by by just sheer mass. But that's not the only way to
see it. But there's, if we can see the
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one, the one thing that makes us, that brings us together in a
kind of logical way is that there is no normal.
Normal is a statistic. It's AI mean all the of all the
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human constructs, including time, including everything that
we know. Normal is the silliest one of
all. And when we realize that normal
is is the cross section of people who like XY and Z and act
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in, you know, AB and C way we and that actually none of us fit
it. You know, like very few of us
fit it completely. We start realizing that, oh,
that thing that we give ourselves a hard time about,
about not knowing or not being able to do is juxtaposed to that
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other thing that we can do. And every single one of us.
I don't know how downtrodden dumb you think you are, peon.
You have a special spark and there's something that you are
uniquely brilliant at. But just as, just as a lot of
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conifers don't know the sea, thesea has its own special
properties that no one can deny,nor can they deny the special
properties of, of that conifer, that tree, that that maybe
Arctic tree. And if we've never seen the tree
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or the sea, how do we know that it's there and the gifts that it
has? And once we're introduced to the
sea and the tree and the sands and the steps and the and the
buttes and the and all the things.
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All the scenery. How do we know that those aren't
the best thing? Once we discovered the sea as
humans and that we could actually go across the sea, we
connected to whole other worlds and but it's all part of this
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Earth, right? And initially too, you know, one
of the things that happened morefrequently than not is that
those who did take to the sea were aggressors and took over
other places because they had the wherewithal, the power of
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the money and the resource to doso.
That being said, and our historybeing so, how do you think that
recognition, being able to to see the progression of a, let's
say, a planetary civilization that goes through its various
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phases in its own evolutionary process, which is not only
physical, it's spiritual too, because there's a combination of
that. How do you experience it in
yourself and see it in others During as we're moving through
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this critical time in our history where we're many people
are coming together with the idea that we can collaborate and
Co create a better world. Yeah.
There's a lot of indicators. There's yeah, there you can
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start to see trends. We start to see that other
people are shiny to us in some way and.
Or shiny objects, right? And, and if we've and if we've
seen that, we, we start to say, gosh, they're everywhere, you
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know, but what about the ones who see something, something
else? And how, how do we connect all
of that in and I won't pretend to know an answer, but I sense
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an answer I and I'm open to and I'm awakened to the importance
of the actual vibration of love.And the questions that help
reveal it. It reminds me of Rina Maria
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Milky and how he presents. You know, ask the question,
don't try to answer it. Let life answer it for you as it
will. Now.
That takes time, patience, discipline.
How do you develop the discipline to ask the question
and shut up, right? Because I'm not saying to just
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quiet yourself in response to asking the question and allowing
the answer to come. Because we, we are push and
shove and competing and and all kinds of things still today,
even though we have this idea that there is a oneness that
we're beginning to grok, we justnot able to interact with it
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completely yet 'cause we haven'tlearned how to fully collaborate
with each other. We still haven't learned how to
get along. Yeah, I and I would dare to say,
especially in the United States,we're not, we're not unique to
being a little bit oblivious to it, but we, but we do kind of
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lead the pack. I I, I wrote about this recently
on Substack. There's this There are so many
words for doing nothing in othercountries there in other
cultures, there are words for. There are so many more words for
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contentment and happiness and for.
Some of them don't even have a word for war.
Act right. And so and and actually,
interestingly enough, a lot of you know, we the Scandinavian
countries were, were very big a long time ago on on conquering
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other places. And yet they're not a stitch
like that now. Like they've gotten that out of
their systems, you know, and they are, they have evolved past
that. And it's like we're going
through that now. Could that be the evolutionary
process that's evidenced in thatculture?
And now we we will begin to see that others.
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Right. And when we saw the.
Process right when. We look to those countries, we
don't have any. What we do is to poo poo
daydreaming. I get every one of us remembers
that we were either called out for daydreaming or we saw other
people called out for daydreaming in in school and
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maybe in work too. And you need to produce.
And when you're not producing, you need to exercise and sleep
until you can produce again. And then you produce, you know,
like that's all we get. Einstein and Tesla both said you
got to have time to dream. Yeah, it's huge it and until we
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actually embrace that idea, don't give ourselves a hard
enough time that we don't dream and and allow ourselves to not
just and this isn't meditation where this is this is actually
allowing our thoughts to go where.
Do I? Want to and and then choosing to
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follow them or or or not, but not to, not to rein them back in
and not to attach them to the breath and not to to.
This is. Not flow.
It is just going and it's going and how is it going to discover
anything if it doesn't do that? Right.
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And we constrict ourselves, you know, the more often than not
when we're asked questions that get us to question our belief
system, we lock up and want to aggress on the person asking the
questions. Yeah, rather than going, oh,
that's an interesting question. I never thought about that.
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Let me you know because it's. OK to not have an answer, but
there's no need to get upset at the question.
It's not an affront, it's a question.
We don't have to have an answer right now.
In fact, it's best to let the question be for a while.
Well, what they taught me, I don't have an answer.
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I I don't have something I can pull from a book or or.
It's not. It's not even.
It's not the pages. Wait a minute.
It's not even accepted in our culture.
Yeah, yeah. So how do you move things into
that living word space that one talked about couple thousand
years ago? You know that we are the living
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word. How, how do we share that living
space with others in in ways that bring that willingness to
pause, reflect, and consider? Again two things.
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One one is deep listening, not active listening, but but deep.
Sensing. Where we allow ourselves to
allow our analytical side to to rest, allow our allow our
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consciousness to even just sit back and relax and listen that
deep listening. And then the other is another
kind of simple idea is to just do things.
What do you what do you want? What do you love?
What do you want? This is how I realized that I
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actually can, I can communicate with my dog who's very
traumatized. She, she came to me skinny,
skinnier than a rail and, and drinking water out of, out of,
you know, cigarette laden puddles and really and very
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traumatized and full of heartworm and, and, you know,
every vertebrae, every bone was sticking out everything.
And, and she had, you know, likea, a trauma about her.
And she's, she's still always scavenging for food, no matter
it distracts her. But the best way, the way I can
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talk to her and she's completelydedicated to me is to flat out
tell her everything that she wants to know.
I'm going to the store. I'll be back in an hour.
I will bring bananas. She loves bananas.
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I am going away for five days and I will show her you will go
in the bed, you will sleep. I will not be there.
You will get up in the morning. And Tristan, my, my, my son will
feed you. And then this will happen again.
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And I'll show her and then I'll say, you know, on the on this
day, I will drive in the driveway and I show her all of
that. If I don't, she wants to know
where I am. She's not calm.
If I do, she will, she will wait.
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She will if I'm late and I tell her those things and I'm not
telling her those things in words.
Sometimes I do, sometimes I tellher in in in words.
But it's what comes straight between she and I.
And if I hadn't really just actually put the faith in her
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and in doing that and in my desire for what I want and what
I love, I would not actually know.
She might still be struggling with me trying to to say, oh,
you'll be OK. You'll it's not about you'll be
OK. It's about this is my schedule.
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This is where I'll be and showing it to her.
Great, me to her. And that's just an example, but
like you have to actually try it.
If there's no evidence, if you've if you've never done it
before, what do you want? Do it?
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And it's amazing animal communication like that happens
so frequently. One of my guests was a horse
whisperer and, and she said the horses would telepathically
communicate with her and let herknow, I mean, it was equine
therapy, right? And they would let her know what
was going on with the rider or the person that was there to see
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the horse. And, you know, that kind of
communication we think is so bizarre and yet is actually so
natural. It's very natural.
Yeah, yeah. And, and I've, I've gone through
times in my life where I've goneup and down on that because I've
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actually heard insects communicating.
I they're not communicating withme, They're communicating with
one another. And they're and they're, they
actually have fear. They have.
They have. Large optic coming, we need to
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job away. It's it's, yeah, it's it.
And and to realize that is, is it's both you can, you can, you
know, be sickened and scared by it because boy, that's a lot of
information. Or you can realize that actually
that's that's that special spark.
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And just like, just like I died and was OK and actually, you
know, it was so peaceful everybody.
But when we who put any sort of angst into into death suffering,
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sure, it's hard to watch something suffer.
But when we when we love and we let them know.
That they can release that if they want.
There's nothing but if they can fight for their life if they
want to, or they can release to it and it's all OK.
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You don't have to do anything. It's so freeing.
Doesn't mean it's not without feelings sometimes, but it is so
freeing. Sure, absolutely.
The when you were talking about the insects and hearing them,
Lube and I were on the back porch one night, energy was real
(01:01:01):
high. It was 1130, midnight couldn't
sleep. So we went outside and we were
sitting and talking and I kept and porch lights were on and I
kept hearing this buzzing. It sounded like a honey bee.
And I'm thinking to myself, midnight, this is no, you know,
and I'm listening. We're having Lou and I always
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have these deep conversations. So we're having a deep
conversation about self-awareness and being and all
that kind of stuff. And I'm looking around.
I hear this and being is A tag line here in a minute.
And so I'm looking around and I finally I look up and I see this
humming or honey bee right in the center of the Dome hovering,
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just flying there and not moving.
And like, oh, this is weird. And I look at blue and I pointed
out, I said, there's our answer.She was what?
And he said, be light. How much more plain could that
be? And of course we had a both had
a good laugh over it for a moment.
And I said, no, wait a minute. I got I got curious, right?
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I said, so are we perceiving that right?
And if so, will the, as we go deeper in this awareness, let's
just take a couple of deep breaths and and go deeper into
that awareness and see if the B changes light.
And it did. It was in about a six inch
diameter circle around the light.
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The the light's a foot diameter.And I said, OK, once it's
random, twice the pattern, let'ssee if it does it again.
Let's let's try that breathing and, and go deeper.
And we did. And sure enough, it flew around
the outside ring of the light for, I don't know, another half
a dozen circles and then flew off.
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So, right, weird guy like me. I'm like ecstatic about that
kind of interaction, right? Is it is so interconnected.
Now, if I were to talk to the average person about that, you
know, I don't know that it wouldgo anywhere.
You totally understand what I'm talking about because you
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probably had similar experiences.
Now how, how can we create that that greater interconnectedness
and respect for life and to be in that loving place when we're
being pushed and pulled to act in often aberrant ways?
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I know that's a tough question. That's I don't know if there's
an answer by talking about it. Just by asking questions gives
us the opportunity to explore it.
There's just like there is the, the vibration of the light and
you know, by light, I'm not saying that this light isn't in
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the darkness. This is, this is a, this is,
it's not just a light switch andit's not, you know, there's a
lot more to it, but there's, there's that level of vibration.
And then there's also the negative, the what we, what we
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call the harmful vibration, the and I don't, I don't believe in
good and bad. I, I just don't.
But there are things. That thinking only that makes
itself. Right.
But but our alignment to those things may may make something
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feel bad. It may, it may be exactly what
we need to learn because we're going to be or we are dealing
with this thing we haven't before and it's painful and we
say, oh, I'm triggered. Oh, don't do that to me.
But really what it is is it's only uniquely that way for us
because it's something we we need to learn or we can continue
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to rail against it for our wholelife.
You know, our, our choice, but on a, on a physical level and on
a fundamental level, we can be, we can be energetically tuned in
and buffeting against all sorts of low vibration energy.
I you know, I've had some thingsthat people would say, Oh,
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that's that's just that's your imagination or that's that's to
woo or I've always known that I'm powerful, but sometimes it
seemed like, wow, there's there's a lot of stuff to have
to castaway here and I was actually banishing energy.
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That was coming up against me and, and hurting, hurting
things, right? Yeah.
And I've had, you know, spiritual leaders say you need
to you're supposed to banish that thing when you, you, you
failed. And I, my, my lungs filled up
with water because they, you know, and, and all this, all
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this stuff like these energies, well, the more negatively that
you feed into it, the more you're going to have those
energies. So whether whether it's just
your, your neighbor voting for someone else and you, the other
than you did, or it's, or it's, you know, banshees or whatever
(01:06:34):
you want to call them that are, that are coming in and, and
somehow miraculously filling thelungs of, of people in other
states with, with water. You know, all these silly
things, right? But are they silly?
Or is it that? Are they silly or are they self
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created? Are they self created?
Are they because we can play with that negative energy and we
can manifest from it. And what is that?
It's just, it's literally. Just energy.
Low. And because we, in my opinion,
and, and I could be wrong, I, I don't have all the answers, but
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for me, I've noticed that the more disciplined I get with
observing my thoughts and managing them, the less
disturbance I have and the less appearance of that in my life I
have. And there was a friend of mine
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that I do believe in psychic attacks for a long time.
And I was visiting a friend, couple of your rancher book
students. We were talking in the kitchen
and and all of a sudden I get this energy from this beautiful
Great Dane that had a Dalmatian coloring to it.
I'm just beautiful Isis and a serious had two of them male and
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female and I got this really sadenergy from Isis eyes.
And then before too long, I'm feeling a sick feeling, the pit
of my stomach and my eyes got fade to black wide open.
And so I tell the guys, I said, I don't know what's going on
here, but I'm pissed because somebody's messing with me.
And the more angry I got, the more intense it became to the
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point where I got a solar Plex tug and that almost pulled me
off the floor. And they grabbed me by the
shoulders at that point. And, you know, Long story short,
I talked to a friend afterwards and and asked him what he
thought it was, especially was demonology, witchcraft and
sorcery. And he said, well, what do you
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think it was? And I said, well, somebody tried
to get through me or get to me through the dog through psychic
projection. I don't know if it was one or
several. He said that's exactly what was
happening. And the only reason you're here
is that you let go, which is what I did when they grabbed my
shoulders. So what he tried to explain
(01:09:12):
after that was that the greatestprotection is none.
Yeah, and that's and that's the very if you want to see an
example of this just, you know, as a neophyte to any of this,
embrace Tai Chi an actual. Beautiful art.
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It is a beautiful art and, and every, and every bit of its
power is in its letting go. Every, even if you watch it from
a fighting standpoint, it's, it's letting go so that the
energy of the other outruns itself, or you can even amplify
(01:09:59):
it. But it's just letting, letting
go. And this is very, very much like
what you're what you're talking about.
There's a there's a place in Rome, Italy called called the
Memertum. It's the place where it's, it's,
it's an old jail. It's an old jail where actual
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where many, many, many people died, thousands and thousands of
people died and suffered. And the big, it's big claim to
fame is the fact that prophets had spent time there.
And you know, whether you followthis or not, there's for me, I
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went in there and it was like there was all the energy of that
suffering. Even all this time later, that
was just the energy of that suffering.
Now there was there's suffering all over Rome, right?
There's this is Rome. You know there's layers and
layers or cities upon. Anything that happens is going
to be residual energetically andand that's enough.
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You're going to pick up on it. But I, you know, I felt that now
I, I wanted to leave because I didn't want to feel that
anymore. But I stuck with it for, for a
while and it didn't drag me downbecause, but I could have, I
could have let it. I mean, there are places that
are such big negative energy sinks that people will step into
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them and unless somebody pulls them out, because they're not.
They're not quick to handle it. Or attached, attached to the to
the cosmic energy or they're notloose enough to just just slip
out of it. And those you can die in those
places. You can lose your life, just
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like you were just saying. And what that is, is exactly
what you're talking about. Like let it go.
You can, you can wallow in suffering, you can argue with me
about this. You can be in a war-torn country
and, and, and you are, you are suffering.
And for sure this is, this is terrible suffering, but yet let
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it go. Even if you perish from this
suffering, it's going to be OK. Just let go of the suffering
itself. That's hard, man.
It's hard, you know, We're, we're, we're humans living a
very human experience. And we are pummeled with reasons
(01:12:50):
to carry the suffering with us and and to not let go of the
trauma and. All the stories.
Not only are there no checked luggage, there is no carry ONS
on this flight, right It it's just in that definition of self,
(01:13:10):
it stands alone, unique and yet interconnected.
Yeah, Yeah, we really are. We can, We can purchase and
purchase and purchase and we need there's certain things that
(01:13:32):
our human body, our body does need water and our body does
need food and our body does needsun.
You can't purchase that but you and our and our body you.
Know or you can rent it. I live, I live in Vermont.
Your body probably needs clothes.
It's you know, it's very it, butwe purchase and purchase and
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purchase more and we really don't.
Not only do we not need anymore,we're naked in the end anyway.
We're just. We are naked, we are US, and
that's really all there is. How do we live simply?
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Do we do it by being austere? Do we do it by being minimalist?
Do we do it by shifting the the wealth or in instead of, you
know, investing in goil and ass oil and gas?
(01:14:38):
Yeah, I'm 40 and slip. I mean, how do we find that
equilibrium within ourselves to live our lives in our best
condition? Because that is a choice, right?
(01:15:00):
How we develop that choice and then be able to follow up with
the choice because the C word commitment has not been floating
too well. Yeah, You know, things fall into
place when you just do what you want.
(01:15:28):
And I don't mean just what you want.
And I, you know, yeah, I want to, I want to race my my car
through these city streets. You know, I don't mean like
that. I mean like what do you really
want? That's the being.
That's the being that come, that's coming through, right?
The being comes first and then the doing comes natural.
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It right you everything falls into place there.
There's there's a also an authorby the name of McCown who wrote
a book called essentialism and alot of people have read that
book, but he also wrote a book called effortless.
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And it really comes down to the more you're you're going toward
that, that simplifying, that connecting that when you finally
just go to the the source of what it is that you want.
Not just that I want to simplify, I want to, but you
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want simplicity. You simplicity is everything
that you're going for. It all simplifies itself.
And it might mean that you need to get rid of a lot of stuff.
I have AI have a, a house. I have, you know, a lot of
(01:16:58):
shelves of, of, of books and music books.
And then you know, more shelves and books.
And you know, it means perhaps actually making a choice, but
the choice is actually yours. Like, are you going to walk away
from all that stuff? Are you going to give it away?
(01:17:19):
Are you going to? But it just becomes very simple.
It happens because you want it. It's.
Like being a stripper in your own life, right?
Like that thing that you, that story that you've actually heard
before of me creating a medical miracle.
(01:17:44):
I didn't create anything, I justwanted.
You wanted it, and you got it out of the way.
I got it out of. The way no, it could not happen
and that belief of anything is possible to those who believe.
So that I mean, there's a deep sense of faith and trust in
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yourself and your connection because it's all in creating
that energy flow that moves the disturbance into a more
harmonious configuration that's suitable for your own individual
body, mind and heart too. Yeah, yeah.
(01:18:34):
But it really does come down to love what?
And in when you know what you love, you know what you want and
to access that love, if it's, ifit's, if it's simplicity, if
it's, if it's connecting to youranimals, if it's, if it's
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growing back body parts, if it's, if it's finding a a
partner, if it's finding purposewhen it comes from a place of
love, when you really sink down and they're honest with
whatever, whatever your judgement of, of anything that
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you love is whatever your darkness is and just let it go
And where, what do you love? It's there, it's pure, it's,
it's shining. And you say, Oh my goodness, how
could I not have seen this? And it may hit you like a like a
brick in the head, or it may just softly appear.
(01:19:46):
I just love. This has been just, I love these
conversations and Lee, I'm so grateful for you, your work, and
your ability to share. And I know that it's going to
(01:20:07):
affect some. Right, It might just affect one,
but that's enough, right? There's a ripple, there's a
ripple, ripple in. In light of this challenge we
have bringing it down to an individual level, what advice
(01:20:34):
can you offer based on your own experience and how others might
be able to begin to tune into themselves?
There's a lot of distraction anda lot of the distraction maybe
ourselves, but really ask yourself what do I want?
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And start to do it. Just start to do it.
How do you do that? Throw yourself something that
you that you love, that's acceptable.
Give yourself a a scarf to startwith.
Give yourself a hammer, give yourself a whisk, give yourself
a paintbrush. But then just go.
(01:21:32):
Thank you so much that that was just do it right Nike's motto.
Yeah, yeah, but not for anyone. But but you, you're when you let
yourself, the world will follow.Very much so.
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And support you. Yes it will.
And in closing, create your own momentum tunnel that brings
everything that you desire because of your attention,
intention and interaction to achieve it.
Let it come, because what you'reseeking is also seeking you.
(01:22:19):
Believe it. Yeah.
Cool. Lydia, thank you so much.
Again, this has been phenomenal.I appreciate everything about
you, and I'm sure our audience will too.
Thank you for having me here. It's just beautiful
(01:22:39):
conversation. Thank you again, and Namaste and
in LA Ketch, and thanks for sticking with us for this
episode of One World in a New World.
I'm your host, Zen Benefiel. And for myself and Lydia Butler,
we will see. Well, she won't see you, but
(01:23:00):
I'll see you next time.
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