Ep 195 - Rising with Resilience: From Breakdown to Breakthrough - Annalieza Landa

Ep 195 One World in a New World with Annalieza Landa🌟 From Darkness to Light, Discover the Power of Choosing You 🌟In this inspiring and soul-stirring episode of One World in a New World, Zen Benefiel welcomes Annalieza Landa—transformational speaker, coach, and values-driven leader—who takes us on a powerful journey through heartache, spiritual awakening, and courageous reinvention. From the depths of personal crisis, loss, cancer, and rediscovery, Annalieza reveals how faith, awareness, and aligned values became the stepping stones to her authentic self.💫 What does it mean to rebuild a life with intention?💫 How do breakdowns become the birthplace of true transformation?💫 What role do values and stillness play in reclaiming your identity?Annalieza’s story is not only about surviving—it’s about rising. Her journey invites us to reignite our senses, reclaim our voice, and remember the strength within.🎧 Watch now and be inspired to embrace your own beautiful becoming.Connect with Annalieza: https://www.linkedin.com/in/annalieza/Her Website: https://makeyourmarque.co/#TransformationalJourney #BreakthroughStory #FaithAndResilience #LeadershipWithHeart #EmbraceAuthenticity #OneWorldPodcast #AwakenWithinJoin this channel to get access to perks:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuZl_29zHxehqeL89KSCWFA/join_______Connect with Zen: https://linkedin.com/zenbenefielZen's books: https://amazon.com/author/zendorZen's Coaching: https://BeTheDream.com Zen's CV et al: https://zenbenefiel.comThe Octopus Movement (non-linear thinkers): https://theoctopusmovement.org Live and Let Live Global Peace Movement: https://liveandletlive.orgActivation Products: https://bit.ly/btdactivationAssisting in harmony among people and planet: https://planetarycitizens.net

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Mama stay and in laquettes and welcome to this episode of one
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Thank you so much. And this week's guest is

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Annalisa Landa. She is a values differentiator
known as that in the field of coaching.
And through the John Maxwell training program that she was
involved in, she's become a highly qualified coach.
So we'll be right back. We're in a great conversation.
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knowledge and find wisdom in their own lives.
Join this transformative journeyas we navigate the depth of
human experience. Annalisa, it is such a great
opportunity to have you here. Thank you so much for joining
us. And thanks for inviting me,
Zach. It's really nice to be here.

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It's always good to have conversations across the pond,
right? Yes, exactly.
And I think people are thrilled with the English accents too.
So thank you so much for joiningus and and I know, you know,
we've had a little prelim conversation.
So you know, the kind of depths conversations that we have here,
the essence of it is that we're bereft of understanding this

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inner and outer bridge that we have with reality and the
conversations that are necessaryto do so.
So that's what we're attempting to have through one world, the
new world in an apocalyptic way,which doesn't mean the end of
the world. It simply means uncovering
knowledge. That is the reek definition.

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So please don't forget that whenyou hear apocalypse, don't go to
that negative side, right? Don't go into the darkness.
Come into the light with the rest of us and realize that
yeah, it's OK, we're just takingthe lid off the stuff that's
been hidden for a while. Amen to that.
We like the light. Oh yeah, yeah.

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So in, in regarding you, you know, you're, you're still young
and youthful and, and in an age of this growing population and
awareness and, and your generation, I know just, you're
seeking the truth. So when you were younger and you
were growing up, what kind of experiences did you had that led

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to your understanding of of the interconnectedness that you
have? I always had a very strong just
awareness of presence and, and, and that feeling that I wasn't
alone and that there was something, there was something

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bigger. Do you remember any like
significant that Massey calls them significant emotional
events, right? Do you remember any specific
events that were just so wild that they remained in in your
memory? Are we talking when but

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specifically spiritual events here or just significant events
in my life? That kind of.
Inner, outer. I would prefer something rather
profound and mystical. It doesn't have to be.
Right. I can only say right I was.
I was brought up in the Jewish tradition.

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My my family was Jewish, but I always had this pull towards
Christianity. I had it from quite a young age
and I was always asking questions.
Well, and that's the the essenceof the Jewish tradition, right?
You're always asking questions. It is but that.

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Doesn't mean you accept the answers.
In principle. In principle I just, yeah.
But when I was a child, I just remember being told you can't
ask questions about Jesus. You know, that conversation was
kind of closed. You could do all this, but stay
away from this. That that sounds, you know.

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Yeah, it was. Yeah.
So, but in spite of that, I still, oh, I was curious.
I was, I was really curious about Christianity.
I felt very at home going to churches and with school,
harvest festivals, that kind of thing.

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And and then I had an experience, yeah, when I was 15
and going through just a tough adolescent time where I felt
like my parents were divorcing at that time as well.
And I felt as though I just was carrying like the, you know,
like just the burden was so muchmy shoulders and being an only

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child as well, so. And the natural sense of am I
responsible too? Because as a child, you, you
know, you're curious about your responsibility for things and
you feel like pretty much. And this is that
interconnectedness seeping through, I believe.
Yeah, I mean you. Do have that inner power?

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Yeah, yeah. It was just, it's being split
really, you know, in terms of allegiances between, you know,
my parents and and, and wanting to do my best by both and, but
feeling like you have to. Yeah, Yeah.

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So that was at that time that I that I had the experience of
Jesus when I was we were actually my mum, my stepfather
to be and, and me were out in Canada and I was feeling really
bad because my dad was here, left him behind at home and

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because I had to make a choice so whether to stay with him over
the holidays or to go away. And I just felt as though I
couldn't be without my mum for that length of time.
So I went away, but was feeling incredibly difficult.
Jewish guilt, you know, the burden of guilt was on my
shoulders there and, and I felt really unhappy and I wondered,

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you know, when, when I was out there, Ottawa in Canada was the
1st place we went. I was going to get through the
next 5 weeks. It was the trip of a lifetime.
But at the same time, you know, I was split and divided and
going through a lot of inner turmoil and conflict.
And added to that as well, when you're 15 years old, you've got

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so many other things going around, you know, going on
inside of you as well. So hormones are shooting all
over the place. And it's a difficult time at the
best of times. But I was, I was going back to
meet my stepdad and my mum back at the hotel when I was stopped
by a street evangelist. He just handed me a leaflet and

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said, would you like one of these?
And I just felt. Synchronistic events, right?
There was a yeah, absolutely. It was almost as though this was
the time, you know, that Jesus was going to come into my life.
And, and I took the leaflet and when I was on my own, I, you

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know, I, I said the prayer and the next day the, the burden,
the heaviness, the weight, the guilt, I was gone.
I mean, it just lifted right offme.
I woke up feeling lighter, just like a totally different person,
and felt as though I could, you know, function and get through
the rest of that holiday. That's the kind of profoundness

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that is possible, right? And how did you, you know when
you were approached, you said the prayer, it's a release,
right? You, you give up your burdens,
right? And it's a choice to do so.
I often wonder, you know, havinghad conversations with him
myself, you know, he just provides the door.

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It's it's us, right? He's always said that you've got
anything I can do, you can do itmore.
It's just a choice to do. So.
We hold on to stuff. We let go of stuff.
It's all the choices we have because of the free will.
Yeah, yeah. You made a choice to follow
that, to let go. How did that, how did that

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evolve? What?
What happened afterwards? When we got back home, I told my
mom about the experience around a cup of tea around the kitchen
table and I said, you know, whenwe got to Canada, this is what
was going on. I was really struggling.
I didn't know how I was going toget through.
It felt like I was really cracking with the strain of

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everything. And this is what happened.
And then I asked her if I could have a King James Bible.
I said, could I have a proper Bible with a New Testament in it
now? And the way that things had been
going, you know, when I was a child and I was told that, you
know, because we were Jewish, wedidn't talk about Jesus or I
couldn't have books about Jesus.My mum's journey, my parents

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journey, as I said, they, they, they split up when I was a
teenager and my mum had met somebody who was not with a
Jewish faith, you know, she'd fall in love with somebody who
is, who is with a Christian faith.
And so the way that things were aligned at this time, it was not
as significant, you know, it wasnot as as huge as it was maybe

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10-15 years ago. And I'm sure my mum could not
have imagined getting divorced and falling in love with
somebody who wasn't Jewish because she was brought up in a
very not an ultra Orthodox but still quite a traditional
family. Love have its ways, right?
Exactly. Exactly.
Everything. So she was open, you know, she

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was open to that. And and so on the eve of my
mum's wedding to my stepdad, they gave me a King James Bible
and inscribed in it, which meantan awful lot to me.
It was still the start of a justthe start of a long journey
because I think I expected to turn the pages and get instant

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answers like you, seeker of the truth, just wanting to get to
the heart of God, just wanting to know the heart of God and to,
as I, you know, used to call it,just to seek the truth of, of
what is out there. And I thought it was all going
to be revealed. And of course I was met by all

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these parables. I couldn't understand.
I don't know what. It's mean you want to jump on
the path. Here you go, right?
And and it's it's full of conundrums and enigmas and
paradoxes. And yet I found, you know, the
patience, right? We we think we're going to get

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answers immediately. There's a writer, Renee Maria
Rilke, who talks about asking the questions and just learning
how to let life answer them because it will right with and
even Jesus said this, you know, ask, seek not it's universal
law. When you ask, the answer is

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already in process. It's just your ability to
perceive it at the levels and the depth of awareness that
you're capable of reaching. Because there are many depending
on where you are in that rung ofthe what rung of the ladder
you're on in your own ascension process.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly.

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So. So, yeah.
So I guess for most of my life Iwas I was still Jewish, but I
was a believer in in Jesus. But really felt as though I
couldn't really talk about it outside of my family.
And we still very much kept the Jewish tradition, even my
stepfather for my mom and my grandfather, really my mom.

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'S throw the baby out with the bathwater, right?
We the jettison every, not everything.
We tend to jettison a belief system when we supplant another
for it without realizing there'sstill Nuggets within it of
truth. Yeah.
Every religion has it, you know,We're all part of that

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collective. Exactly.
Every. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And so Fast forward, I suppose, like many years later, I'm
getting, I suppose, more and more frustrated that I couldn't
ask questions, that it just seems such a, you know, I just

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wanted to know why, Yeah, we didn't accept Jesus the Messiah
that had done everything else. And anyway, when my father
passed away, or just before my father passed away, I should
say, I'd really felt a calling, really strong calling.

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It was like a, you know, like a piercing in my heart really to
start my Christian journey, thatGod was saying that I'd lost my
parents because my mum already passed away.
My stepfather passed away four years after my mum, my maternal
grandfather passed away two years after my mum.
And so I lost this very close family unit in a very short
space of time and yes, and that very, very clear, that very

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clear voice came through, you know, saying that I can give you
a new family in Christ and because.
Now you're bereft of your physical attachments.
Yeah, right. The the support network that you
had, so it's no longer available.
Where are you going to find it? Well, it's inside.
Well, yeah. And funnily enough, yes.

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I mean, I'd always been a personof faith.
And yet there was that time where I was wayward, you know,
the teenager, the kind of I don't need you.
Like you say to that. I would say to our earthly
parents, I don't need you. I was saying the same thing to
God, really. I can do this on my own, I don't
need you. So there was that kind of
waywardness and that kind of detachment.

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Yeah. Which when my mum passed away
just and melted away. I mean, it's just my faith was
affirmed even stronger. And I know a lot of people
probably lose their faith when they lose somebody, especially
very suddenly. But for me, I felt such a strong
connection still. It seemed to affirm that death

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cannot separate us, that this person is just on the other side
of a veil that we can't see. And, and I felt that so strongly
and that feeling that, you know,death cannot have victory
because love is just so strong. And you continue to feel it, but

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you continue to feel it from theother person, even though
they're not here on the physicalplane, so.
That they are here still in the thoughtmosphere, the
consciousness, right. The energy field?
Yeah. Were you or did you have any
experiences of bleed through, whether you know your mother or

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your father appeared to you in dreams or in moments of day?
Visions, if you will. Or daydreams.
I've not, yeah, I've not, yeah, I've not had visions as such.
I've not seen, you know, visionsor anything visible.
But I have felt breath and blowing on me at random times

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for no apparent reason. So it will just be like a very
focused, like not a draft, not something that could be
explained by, you know, window or door or something like that
with sudden gust of wind. But a very, very focused
channelled is what I'm trying tosay.

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Feeling of air, of breath. Recognition of their.
It could be on the back of my leg.
It could be yeah, or sometimes just a very faint pull of my
hair. Just yeah.
And nothing. Trigger that recognition of of
the connection to them. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You know, it's and it's wonderful how these things
happen and it, you know, Speaking of the recognition of
Jesus and doors, right? I had a dear friend that I grew
up with that died in a motorcycle accident in 1981, and
we had just moved to Phoenix. Serendipitously, we had his

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girlfriend and their daughter and her new husband over for
dinner. They'd moved out here from
Indiana as well. And so we were talking about
Steve a little bit and we eventually departed, went to bed
and I'm laying there thinking, Iwonder.
And so I prayed, I said, Jesus, but be your will, your will be

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your will be done. Can I talk to Steve, which is
the my friend's name? And so I laid there and not, you
know, not knowing if it's going to happen or not, but I laid
there silently in bed. My wife was asleep and execute
me and I say Steve, Steve, are you out there?
Steve, can you hear me? Nothing.

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So I'm louder, right? And I get increasingly louder 3
or 4 times and nothing. And I'm like, oh, there's
probably a lot of Steve's out there, right?
And so his nickname was Blab. And I don't know how he got it,
but I mean, this kids like 6 foot 4, you know, 220 muscular,

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long haired kind of hippie ish at the time.
And I project the next one is a Blab.
Man. Are you out there?
Can you hear me? And I hear my given name, Bruce,
is that you? And I'm like, yeah, man, where

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you at? And this is all internal, eyes
closed, no physical movement whatsoever, right?
And as soon as I ask, where are you at?
She's like Bing, right in the center of my vision is his face.
At the same instant my wife, ex-wife now races up off the

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pillow and says, what are you doing?
And I said nothing. Why?
And she says, I just saw Steve'sface and I tried blinking my
eyes and he wouldn't go away. And I'm like, oh man, I started
tearing, right? Tears were just streamed and
there was a dark room. She couldn't see it, but I knew

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the tears were just streaming down my face because it was
real. So then I said, OK, My response
to her after that was I, I told her what I was doing.
I said, now it's been proven medically, the body loses 2421
grams of weight immediately uponsensation of life.
Mass has weight has mass. Mass has form.

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I wonder if we can see him with our eyes open.
And she said, I don't know, it scares me.
I'm going back to bed. You do whatever you want.
And I'm like, OK, So I laid backdown and eyes open and I'm like,
Steve, can I see you? You know?
And there was a Gray mist that formed at the end of the bed.

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And then next thing I know, here's here he is standing
there, full body, flannel shirt,jeans, just exactly like I
remembered him, right. And so I say a couple explicit.
Well, it's like, what can you say that he's bar talking out?
And this is great. Tell me, can you travel with a
thought? That was my first question to
him. I see him.

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It's like trails going out of the room, trails coming back in
there He stands again. And I'm like, wow, that was
cool. Where'd you go?
Back home? And he says, yeah, back home,
meaning Indiana. We were in Phoenix.
So it was like 2000 miles away. And in a blink of an eye, he's
there and back. And I'm like, OK, now wait a
minute. I know how powerful my mind can

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be. Am I imagining you and
projecting your image, or are you really there?
And at that moment, I feel the sheets on the end of the bed
move across my feet. The bed moves down.
I focus my vision a bit more. He's got his foot up on the end

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of the bed, his elbow in his hand and his hand on his knee.
Chin is a hand smiling at me like a Cheshire cat that says,
how's that? What do you do with that, right?
I mean, a stole. And I even asked, right?
So it wasn't in any way conjuring up anything, right?

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And yet the energy was so high at that point, I could no longer
stay asleep. I got up, put some clothes on,
took a walk and talked to him for a couple hours.
And we talked about what was going on in the other side and
maybe how to better navigate it because he was fresh and I'd
been there before. So I had questions about
possibilities and it was just wonderful.

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So those kinds of things, you know, I, I encourage others to
realize, you know, there is no veil.
You picture a person's face, youlook into their eyes, you can
talk into them whether they're in the physical or not.
That's how we're able and capable of communicating.

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Now for Moses, that's ridiculous.
Well, try it, see if it works right.
Don't believe the thing I just said.
Now how do you with as you developed your relationship and
your interconnectedness and and the the desire to share that,
what did it lead you into professionally?

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Right. OK, so this was a journey.
It was the start of a journey and in the beginning of 2012 and
I just had a really, really bad year.
Well, it's by the start of the year I should say, and a very
good relationship breakdown. I lost a job that I absolutely

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loved and was flying high at andI couldn't really see that
coming. Well, I couldn't see it coming
at all. So it was that floored me.
And the car had come with the job and they got it actually for
me. And they hadn't even leased it.
So they'd bought it outright. And I'd sold my own boy racer,

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my little beloved boy racer, to a colleague to strip down and
rebuild with his son. So kind of as a hobby that they
could do together. Oh.
That's cool. Yeah, And I really felt as
though I was losing control of everything.
You know, no job, no, no relationship.
Now I was going to have to give a car back.

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And I just remember this feelingof meltdown, like, real
meltdown. Like, I could understand why
they call it a meltdown, you know?
Then suddenly my brain felt likeit was melting down.
Yeah. Yeah.
And I went along to the very first TEDx in my city, in my

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town. I've been looking forward to it
for ages. But the way that I was feeling
that morning, I really didn't feel like going anywhere.
I just wanted to hide under the duvet.
I knew, knew that there'd be lots of people there from the
business community who I'd knownwhen I was flying high.
And they all wanted to know me phone was ringing off the hook

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because they saw me as useful and valuable to them.
Sure. And now, Yeah.
That's the old that. That's the old paradigm of
leadership and work, right? It's not respective of person,
it's respective of skill set andwhat you can do for them.
Exactly. I have a tough lesson to learn.
Yeah. Because I'm an open, trusting,

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friendly, kind of what you see is what you get.
And then I learned very quickly that in business that it just
doesn't. Yeah.
Oh, you're a target for use and abuse, right?
Because you're a performer, you're self initiating and
that's what is looked for. Yeah, comes to the innovation,

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the creativity, not so much in the old paradigm.
In the new paradigm, it's much different.
Yeah, yeah. So, so I wasn't going to go, but
this voice inside me so that if you can just find the to get

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there today, you'll hear something that is going to
change your your life. So I did.
I mean, that voice was persuasive enough and compelling
enough. For.
Me to find the code and that yeah, and I thought I still got
the car. I haven't I haven't given it
back. I don't have to give it back
till next week. So might as well make use of
this and and use it. But honestly, I was so so

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nervous because I didn't want toask, you know, all the
questions. Oh, what are you doing now?
Oh gosh, we're frankly, you know, it was a real shock to
hear that you'd left and what happened and all the questions
about you know, and what had happened was I think they just
lost a very huge contract. It imploded.
I was the first out the door andthen they ended up selling the

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premises and and downsizing and tried to survive on a sheath
string. But the whole, yeah, the whole
thing just went. People were either leaving or
they were because they saw the writing on the wall or were also
being let go as like. But you got lucky.
Well, I didn't feel like that atthe time because I felt like I
lost my family. Talking about the harsh thing

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that you learn as well is that even when you let go and it's no
fault of your own, you're still persona non gratis.
You know, kind of like you're, you know, I thought I could just
kind of go in there and see people and visit people and say
hi, how's it going? Oh, no, doors shut.
You know, that you can't do things like that in the business

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world. And, you know, even if it's not
your fault, it could be financial mismanagement or
whatever, you know, or a recession, but still they have
to let you go. You're gone.
You just can't, you know, go in and keep in touch with people.
It's hard because you, you know,you lose your, your work family
and people that you aren't very close to.

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And it's like a bereavement. You're not not only lost your
job, but you've lost people thatyou care about, you've nurtured,
you've managed, you've trained. It's really tough death.
Of a family. Yeah, so.
So anyway. Heart wrenching to go through
that. Yes, very, really, really tough

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so. People are fortunate enough not
to, but those of us who have recognized that and and you
quite fortunate in that you knowwhen companies are downsizing.
I had this experience in the aerospace industry when I first
went to work here as a machinist.
Almost immediately after I got hired, layoffs began and I made

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it through two rounds of layoffsand, and then the third one came
around. And by that time I'm like, the
stress is ridiculous. Just let me go, right.
So there's that underlying stress that when you know things
are happening, are you going to perform to your peak or are you
going to be concerned about, youknow, the next person being let

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go and, and just feel like you're helpless in the
situation? So in that respect, you were
kind of fortunate where you one of the 1st and you got the
freedom earlier and you didn't have to go through all of the
rest of the suffering that you could have.
Yeah, that's that's true. But but.

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And that the others did. Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah.
That is true. But I mean, they just announced
to me as a director like 2 months earlier or less than
that, actually about six weeks. It was in the paper, you know,
that me and the finance guy with, you know, recognition of
all the hard work, you know, we've been elevated to director

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status and, and I led the, the team up to collect the business
of the year on the podium. Yeah.
And at an award ceremony. So it was.
It was literally falling from a very great height and without
any without any warning at all. Or safety net.

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Yeah, yeah, exactly so. Figuratively speaking, because
it does feel like you're just empty.
You're void of anything at that point, right?
The, the sense of betrayal, the,the sense of being alone, being
rejected, all of those things that impede the ego evolution,

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right? Because it's not necessarily
about the ego's great and and it's not something to be
dismissed. However, it is something to be
transformed into. We go, which is I'm guessing
where we're going to go that as you continue your story.
Yeah, yeah, very much so. So I got myself to the theater,

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really wanted to drive past it that morning, but got myself
there and of course, all smiles,hiding everything that I was
going through inside. And yes, the talk that really
changed things for me was Amy Purdy.
Are you familiar with Amy Purdy?She was I'm.

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Familiar with the name? Of Paralympic.
Yeah, Paralympic gold medal snowboarder.
OK. He'd lost both of her legs to
meningitis. She was really young, just
having left university. She was, she'd come from desert
and she dreamed of snow. She just wanted to go to the
slopes and became a massage therapist.

(31:52):
And she thought that just with amassage board and her skills,
she could travel anywhere. She could stay on the slopes for
the season. And she contracted meningitis
and in her words, was like a broken doll for several months
and then decided that she was going to rewrite her story.
Yeah. That somebody said something to
her that made her see that she could She was in control and she

(32:16):
didn't have to be a victim. And she could rewrite a
different ending to her story. It was a very powerful talk.
I mean, Yeah, you have to see itto appreciate it.
Very emotional, very powerful, and I played it several times
that year because shortly after I'd gone there, about two weeks

(32:42):
later, I did have a nervous breakdown.
You know, it just all got to me and it was, it was quite a bad
one. I got through it on my own and
three months later, it took me 3months to just about recover
from it when I was diagnosed with bowel cancer.
And just the energy and the effort it's taken to get through

(33:04):
the, the breakdown and everything that was going on,
you know, inside my head, if anybody's suffered anything like
that, you'll know it's, yeah, it's, it's not a great place to
be. And it takes a lot of.
Effort to describe it either, right?
No, you don't. I don't just to get from dawn

(33:25):
till dusk and then do it all again the next day and just keep
putting 1 foot in front of the other and just hope that you can
carry on functioning, get to a point.
Where in that, and I'm sure thatmust have been a horrible
situation for you to be in, did you begin to analyze deeper and

(33:46):
find solace in the answers that came in that respect rather than
deny what was going on, Right. To fully embrace it and and be
curious about it. Yeah.
I mean, I think to be honest with you, Paul, I would say that

(34:07):
my face certainly kept me going at that time, that it was like I
was liking it to scaffolding, you know, holding me up in times
that are really dark. And it definitely does
strengthen me. I think the diagnosis of the

(34:28):
cancer, I think I probably wouldhave gone on a journey perhaps
sooner had it not been for that.But everything happened so
quickly, you know, the surgery, the recuperation and everything
else that it was just, he felt, I felt like I was lurching from
one thing to another and, you know, getting used to my body

(34:48):
being different and all of thesethings, at least temporarily.
But it did make me, as I was recovering and I had time to
recover, then I started to really think about my life as
you do in those pivotal times, in those times where you're
facing the abyss and you don't really know whether you're going

(35:10):
to come out of it. You're going to have another
chance, another crack at life. You're just not sure how you
know it's going to be there. The hat.
And so the questions then of howto unfold it, how to reveal it,
how to request it, how to submityourself to it, how to acquiesce

(35:31):
to what's in front of you, to allow it to give you life right
back to rookie again, right? How do you let life give you the
answers that you're looking for without projecting it?
Yes. So yes, I went on a journey.
I, I, I swore that things would be different if I would, you

(35:57):
know, if I survived that there would be changes.
Was there ever any a question that you would survive?
I don't think so. I think at one point, you know,
where yes, I was waiting for theresult of the MRI and all the
all of those things you because I did wonder whether I'd left it
too late, you know, to to seek intervention, you know, medical

(36:23):
intervention. So that's.
Probably natural, right, you have that moment of am I going
to? And so it's kind of like that's
a really interesting space to bein.
And I don't mean interesting forthe sake of curiosity, just how
the sense of, I guess for lack of a better despair in that

(36:50):
place. Yeah, I yes, it's amazing how
much strength you find within yourself when you need to.
And I love you how you just you revisited that, found the
strength and came back to the presence with me now.

(37:13):
Yes, yeah. So, so yes, I I started looking
at patterns. That's when I started noticing
that there were certain patternsthat were occurring in my life
and I realised that, you know, the common denominator and
everything was me. I was always there in whatever

(37:34):
was situation was happening. And so I wanted to find out more
about me and to maybe go into those recesses that we tend to
sweep under the carpet a little bit as we're going through life.
And we don't embrace and we don't acknowledge, but we have
to do that if we're going to go forwards and we're going to grow

(37:55):
through what we go through. It's a, it's a necessary part of
that journey. And.
It becomes embracing rather thana dragging along, right?
Once you embrace it, it becomes a part of you without
distinction. It's another form of of

(38:16):
releasing the burden, actually unconditional love.
It's another form of lightness because you are getting rid of,
you're getting rid of stuff thatdoesn't need to be there.
And you also recognize, or at least I recognize that I, I
needed to grow and I wanted to grow and I didn't want to repeat

(38:38):
certain patterns of behaviour. So that's obviously there was a
microscope there of, well, why am I, you know, having these
recurring, recurring patterns. I need to change the
programming. I need to change the programming
so that I can change my trajectory.
When you're using to recognize that, you know the pattern

(38:59):
recognition and self-awareness, we T Harvanker says what we do
anywhere, we do everywhere. Yeah, life.
Life is habitual, it's patterned, and it's all about
process. Yeah.
And is to step back from. That allows you to make better

(39:19):
choices of first recognizing, you know, you're querying what
are these patterns? What are these patterns that I'm
holding that are keeping me back?
And then they, they show up, right?
How did they show up for you? What did you recognize
Initially? It was like, oh man, this, you

(39:40):
know, there's a lot of those moments.
Yeah, absolutely. I think in terms of work, the
energy that I put out, so wanting to give so much of
myself and not leaving enough for me and finding that in the

(40:01):
world of business, being so hardthat it really doesn't matter
when push comes to shove how much you give.
It comes down to economics and money in the end.
And if you're disposable, you'redisposable, so.
I think also recognising that because of the background that

(40:24):
I'd come from, which was a theatre background, things are
done differently in theatre. You obviously it's a creative, I
see it ideas are invited and welcomed.
And I was never one to would want to be pitch and holed or,
or to be able to be pitch and hold even and just, you know,

(40:47):
just do your job. You know, we don't want ideas.
You just do your job, just do the job that we're paying you
for. And what happened was over the
years, I accumulated so many skills.
I'm doing so many different things and I was always eager to
contribute. I was always, you know, for me
it was kind of like, well, I've got these skills and I've done
this before and I maybe didn't do it very well the first time,

(41:11):
but the second time, yeah, I didit much better and you're doing
it now. So why don't I help and
contribute that knowledge and that skill?
And that's the natural part of that creative, you know, you
show up, you want to serve. Exactly.
And sometimes it would be welcomed.
In fact, it usually was welcomedcertainly by management.

(41:34):
It was kind of like your breath of.
At least for short term. Because exactly because you're
not going by the clock, you're staying longer hours, you're
working to get the job done, youwant to make a contribution and
all of those things and, and you're just happy.
I was just happy that I was ableto make those contributions.
But gradually that can start to rock the ship because other

(41:57):
people around who they just wantto, you know, go at 5:00 and and
just do their job. And they don't want to give
anything. But at the same time, they don't
want you to be giving something either because it's kind of
making them look bad. But you're not trying to make
them look bad. You're just trying to serve,
right. And then it starts, the tide

(42:19):
starts to turn against you because the management, now
you're rocking the boat. Now there's dissension.
Now people are complaining, why is she doing this and why is she
doing that? And why isn't she just doing
what she's paid for? And and then.
Recognizing your your ability toperform and and contribute and

(42:39):
make things better and make people happier and you know the
whole thing. Happy people get more done with
less supervision and and will exceed your expectations every
time. Absolutely, yeah.
And I did. I would, I'd work crazy.
But I didn't, you know, I didn'tbegrudge it because I enjoyed
what I did. I enjoyed contributing and and

(43:01):
then but things, yeah, things will turn and then it would just
get painful. Should we say well?
I can relate. I my first corporate job in the
aerospace industry I excelled asan expediter and went from
machinist to expedited to managing a $7,000,000 a month
desk with over 800 part numbers and as the youngest person in

(43:23):
the department, 35 people. I loved it.
I could go anywhere, did anything done, and I love
people, so I excelled. And so much so that after I
think six or seven months, a couple of supervisors came to my
cubicle and I'm like, Oh my God,what did I do?
Right? And then they're like, they saw
the look on my face. No, no, no, no, you're fine.

(43:44):
Actually, just the opposite. We want to know how you're doing
your job because you're at the top of the production charts.
And I'm like, it's just how I treat people.
It's interpersonal skills, Midwestern values.
What I grew up with is how I learned to behave towards
people. How can I help them do what
they're doing in order to get what I need right?
And so I'm expressing this and they're like, wow.

(44:06):
So I brought that up in a department meeting.
I suggested, you know, we've allbeen through the expedited
realms. We know how to get around this
system. It now we're dealing with people
with degrees and more professionalism, so they expect
a different level of behavior from us.
Wouldn't it behoove the department to have some
interpersonal skills development?

(44:28):
Makes sense, right? I was shunned.
Nobody talked to me for the nextweek.
And I was shocked that, you know, here I am trying to be a
company man doing the right thing.
And over time, three years later, I was demoted after
getting a consultant to come in and talk to them about
interpersonal skills classes. A divorce expulsion left the

(44:51):
company and then a year later I ran into the purchasing
department secretary and in a store in north Phoenix.
She says you'll never guess whatjust what happened.
And this was just a week ago. They instituted interpersonal
skills classes plant wide. Now this was in mid 80s.

(45:13):
So I was a disruptor then didn'trealize what it was.
It's, we have a name now, right?However, I gave my best just
like you did, right? So there we have many of us have
done these things, have given ourselves to as much as we
possibly can to try to do the right things in the way that we

(45:35):
feel is appropriate, which is usually more than is acceptable
in controlled environments. Yes, exactly.
Exactly. And I realized that I just
wasn't cut out, certainly to be institutional.
That's tough lesson too, right? And yet did you like me?

(45:55):
I said, OK, I got expelled. I'm going to go out and I'm
going to develop skills and I'm going to come back and I'm going
to show you what you can do at some point.
So here it is 35 years later andget close.
So with with you, how did you take that trauma, transform it

(46:18):
and find solace in a new profession?
What? What was the transition process
that you found or discovered or experienced?
So it goes back to Amy Purdis talk and the revelation.
Really, I've never really associated at that point because

(46:39):
it's probably further back than you than you may realize or
appreciate. But just going there.
Yeah, a little way back. And that I never really
associated public speaking with throwing people a lifeline
before. I'd always associated with the
imparting of information, with teaching and lecturing and stuff

(46:59):
like that. And, and, and not really
inspiring people or encouraging people to keep going.
And and as I said, you know, during that year when and
obviously I had a lot of support, you know, and wonderful
friends to help me through of course, but I would.
Keep watching her, sometimes we just think we are.

(47:21):
Yeah, absolutely. And of course my face, as I
said. And but also I would watch Amy's
talk over again and think, well,she could survive all of this.
Yeah. I think my life's bad.
Look at what she did. Absolutely.
Absolutely. Yeah, but it made me want to

(47:43):
speak to to, to follow in her footsteps really, and and do the
same thing to reach as many people as possible and to throw
somebody a word of encouragementor, or a lifeline when they were
going through a dark time, too. There were two things I had to
overcome was, first of all my fear of public speaking, because

(48:05):
although I'd been an actress andI could get up on stage.
And perform, but that's different, right?
You're acting at that point absolutely.
You know what it is, and it's really defined.
Exactly. I mean, you've got, you know,
it's not your words, your you'velearnt the words from a script

(48:25):
and you've got the support of the company and light and
costume and everything else. Sure.
So you can be, you are. There you are.
But yeah. It's not necessarily who you are
and and you know, when you're speaking your own truth, it's a
completely different sensation. Yeah, and very.
Expeditious. Yeah, because again, going back

(48:45):
to that introvert we talked about before we started
recording is that, yeah, I was very shy when I was a child
because of, I think, I think I was quite confident initially,
but because of things that happened to me at school, I
became very shy, anxious and I used to gabble just because I

(49:09):
didn't like speaking. I used to speak really quickly
when people ask me questions because I felt so
self-conscious. Yeah.
I didn't like. That slow down Annalisa.
Yes, slow. Down.
Yeah, my grandfather all the time.
Slow Down. Slow.
Down. Yeah, I'm the same way, you
know, and I think a lot of us are, right.

(49:31):
We're so not sure that our wordsare going to be heard or
accepted that we want to get them out as quick as we can.
And and that causes a disconnection within ourselves,
right? We, we don't give ourselves that
credit that what we have to say is worthy of being heard.

(49:52):
So we just kind of blurred it out and then it's like it causes
even more kerfuffles. Yes, exactly.
So So yes, I had to get over that, the fear of actually
speaking as me. And secondly, I really felt at
that point, so I had no stories to tell.

(50:13):
Like who would want to want to listen to me?
And then I realized that I've been writing stories.
You know you've. Been living all my life.
I've been living stories. Yeah, exactly.
And there was a lot that I couldshare and a lot that I could
help people with through my experiences and, and not least

(50:35):
of all, obviously overcoming thecancer journey, but also so much
as well losing people that I loved.
And the response to that to the fact that it can trigger
behaviours in US that are out ofcharacter.
And you know, the emphasis on seeking help and not thinking

(50:55):
that you can get through things on your own.
And, and so, yeah, so there are a lot of things.
And at this time, this realisation that it wasn't about
me, I think that was the biggest, the biggest thing, the
biggest revelation that enabled me to overcome this fear was

(51:16):
what I learned through Amos Talkand obviously subsequently other
motivational speakers and inspirational speakers is that
it's not about being polished. I mean, it's not about not
making mistakes or not, you know, fluffing your words or
forgetting your lines and all these things that we fear about
getting up on stage and speakingin front of people.

(51:38):
It's about if there's just one person that is really going
through it in that audience thatis going to be encouraged to
keep going because of. The.
Journey that you've been on that's all that matters and when
I realized that when I had that epiphany, the fear just melted

(51:58):
away there's a difference between fear and you know those
little butterflies actually helpyou to perform better.
It was, you know, the fierce prevents you or can prevent you
from actually doing the thing. Exactly.
And the nerves are kind of, you know, this kind of a little bit
of excitement. And yeah, we kind of need those,

(52:20):
but. How, how did you do your your
transition? What did you, how did you craft
your initial talk right? Or, or, or was it something like
that or, or did you go into moretraining rather than?
Well, the first thing I did again, OK, so this is part of my

(52:41):
journey as well. So I wanted to get baptized.
So I'd gone on that journey and started going to church and I
knew that the next step in my face journey and the next step
in my life journey really was baptism.
But it was really important to me.
So when my church announced thatthey were going to have an all

(53:02):
campus Baptist and I think therewere five campuses that were
being baptized on the one day, Ididn't hesitate, you know, to
say, yeah, I want, you know, I want to be baptized.
I instinctively knew that I was going to get the next clue, as
it were, you like or calling on my heart after that after I'd

(53:24):
gone through that that process so in.
Your score, you knew it and and then how did it?
How? Did it so.
So a few days after being baptized, I just got leadership
on my heart. It was just the weirdest thing
because I'd never been interested in leadership before.
I certainly never considered myself to be a leader before,
even though I'd managed in the workplace and stuff.

(53:46):
I didn't think of myself as a leader, and it wasn't something
that I'd been interested in reading about when it came on
me. Literally like landed on me.
I just went the ramp down the rabbit hole of it.
I was consuming everything aboutchurch leadership.
I was consuming everything about, you know, business
leadership and, and just readingas many blogs as I could and

(54:08):
books as I could and literally couldn't get enough at the same
time thinking, wow, I just this doesn't this doesn't feel like
me at all. But obviously this is what I was
it kind of expecting to happen, but not in a way that I maybe or
I don't know what I thought thatGod was going to give me.
But it wasn't that. It wasn't that so.

(54:30):
And that sounds like it. It kind of led you to, you know,
the 360, right, the John Maxwellstuff.
Well, it did. It did.
But first of all, you asked about the speaking.
So the first thing I did, of course, was my testimony.
The first thing I did was to, you know, that was the first,
the first talk that I gave was in church about my journey

(54:54):
about. And I remember standing there,
my knees were knocking. My knees were knocking.
But it was I've got such and my knees really do not.
But my knees not, it's not just a metaphor.
They're really, really not. Weak.
Weak sometimes, right? And, and I got such a good

(55:14):
response, of course, you know, because we've got the thing, the
things that we fear. Sometimes even when I was doing
like red, you know, round Robins, you know, when you have
introduced yourself to a group of people and my, you know, my
heart would be going and my palms would be sweating.
But I guess I get a good response.
People would say, wow, follow that.
So I already had like a gift that was in me that funnily

(55:36):
enough, to all the, you know, the childhood stuff being sent
to speech and drama to, to to try and slow me down so that I
wouldn't talk so quickly so thatpeople could understand me.
So yeah, yeah. So that was that was a journey.
And then sort of, you know, coming almost full circle and

(55:57):
going to drama school and of course, the voice production
classes part of the toolbox. And, and then sort of coming
through and doing something thatI thought I'd never ever do.
Speaking on the platform on my own, my own thoughts, sharing

(56:18):
just wasn't something that I ever thought I would have the
the courage to do. And and there I was.
There's the imposter self, right?
The the imposter syndrome was like, I'm not enough, you know?
And the truth is, you are. It was again, focusing on the
message. It was focusing on I have a

(56:40):
message here, I've been through stuff, I listened to somebody
who's been through stuff and that gave me a lot of
encouragement when I was going through stuff.
Not the same stuff as her, but nevertheless, it's resilience,
it's strength, it's courage. And it's.
Survival. It's survival, yeah, And people
need to hear this all the time. They do.

(57:05):
But there are people all the time that need, yeah, you the
need to hear what you have to say.
Oh, yeah, yeah, they do. And, and you know, when I first
produced One World back in the 90s, I'd mentioned, you know,
leading the corporate world. I got expelled from church and
because of some lies that were believed and, and went through a

(57:27):
divorce. So I thought, OK, how can I give
back? And one day I was driving down
the street and I had this idea of putting on a three piece
suit, using the clothing as a metaphor and disrobing using
each one of those, you know, taken off the coat of armor,

(57:48):
divesting ourselves and tying the knots, getting the shirt off
our backs. And I'm like, oh man, that's so
brilliant. It's crazy right now where can I
do it? And do I have the balls to do it
right? So I, one of my guests on the
show had a group that was meeting at his home and he also
had events on weekends in a church.

(58:09):
And I approached him, I said, hey, here's an idea.
Can I try it? I had no script.
I had nothing, just the suit andsomething and other clothes on
underneath it, right? And so I just winged it.
And he said, you know, you got to come do this at the large
gathering. So this is, you know, a couple
100 people and, and my second time and it was recorded and

(58:35):
it's actually on the net. It's called the stripper
zenistic moment is, is how he introduced me 24 minutes and it
does it, it, it gave me the opportunity to just get up and
share and the, some of the, the timing and the noises and things
that that went along with it were just exquisite.

(58:58):
Then I had fun, and I think that's really when you give it
to yourself like you did, you eventually got to a point where
it's really fun to do. Right?
Yes, because it's a natural partof you that you're just there,
you're present, and you feel that flow of energy.
Spirit. How are you?

(59:19):
Absolutely. Yeah.
And reflected in your audience, too.
There have been times where I'vejust not known what I'm going to
say before I go on and do something, whether it's online
or on the platform. And I just pray and surrender.

(59:39):
And, and they're the times wheresometimes I get the best, the
best response from people. I think they just feel,
obviously if it's not me and it's coming through me, then
yes. Or no.
Then it's going to be so impactful.
The impact is there because you're being authentic, you're

(01:00:01):
speaking from your heart, you'rejust you're, you're speaking
from what you know to be true for you.
And that kind of sense is made common in others because they
hear that from a similar place within themselves.
And so there's that connection that's made.

(01:00:22):
And I think yes. So this kind of bought me to
values. So this journey and going
further into myself and exploring what I stood for and
what I believed in and what really mattered to me was
fundamental, I think, for that authenticity to come through.

(01:00:46):
And yeah, and last year, even when I felt as though I was
somehow getting distracted and getting off course, I kind of
pulled back from podcasts and doing things like this
deliberately because I wanted tomake sure that I was showing up
as my most authentic self and and doing what I was meant to

(01:01:09):
do. Not that I thought I should do,
you know, because of, yeah, whatever, paying the mortgage
and all these kind of. Things I laugh at that because I
have a mentor is 20 years my senior good friend.
We we did a podcast together called two small Biz guys for a
while and he says to me, Wendy, he says, why should you be doing
well what you shouldn't be doingat all?

(01:01:32):
Yes, yeah, there is that there. Is that that's that OK?
Where's my authentic self and and how do I express that?
I think when you started to go on this journey, you then
realise you become very aware and acutely aware of when you
start to to do things that are not in alignment with your.

(01:01:57):
You feel the. Feel yourself, because exactly
you there's. A disturbance in the field.
And you sense it. You know it.
You know this is where most of us live.
From our shoulders up. We're not aware, but our body
is. It's a transceiver, right?
It's built that way. We have senses.
We can't think our way through asystem built on vibration.
We have to sense our way throughit.

(01:02:20):
It's a natural part of us we forso long have been in denial of.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was. Yeah.
I do have a strong intuition, and I do as well.
Sometimes I will get a sense of foreboding if, you know, before
something kind of bad happens. But it does.

(01:02:41):
I can't actually. I never know exactly what it is.
It's going to happen, but I justkind of feel that something is
and then something does. It's yeah, it's very unsettling,
but fortunately it doesn't happen very often.
Some no, it doesn't. And yet sometimes it gives the
opportunity to adjust things so that they aren't as destructive,

(01:03:04):
I guess, yeah, as they could have been had you not been
aware. Yeah, yeah.
So. So anyway, so yeah, getting in
tune with my values, getting in tune for what really mattered to
me and what I really stood for and what I was trying to achieve

(01:03:24):
and what I wanted to achieve andwhat was really important to me
helped me to adjust and to get back on track with what was
authentically me. So, so yes, I mean, what I've
just described and everything that I've just talked about and
the speaking and the values and the leadership, of course, then

(01:03:45):
led me to Maxwell Leadership. Well, John Maxwell Team as it
was then rebranded, I think it was 2021, something like that, I
think it'd be branded as MaxwellLeadership.
Like he was saying, it was recent, but time flies, so it
must be a few years now. But yeah, it ticked all the
boxes. It ticked the boxes because I
was wanting to speak and learn how to become a better speaker.

(01:04:09):
I'd already decided through thisjourney that I wanted to work
with people. I wanted to work on developing
people. Coaching was something that was
kind of floating around my head,but I didn't really know what
that looked like. It seemed such a very vague
term, you know, coaching, there was so many different kinds of
coach. But I, yeah, I wasn't quite sure

(01:04:30):
what that looked like for me. But of course it ticked the
values box and it ticked the face box as well.
So all those kinds of things. Yes.
I had a conversation with a program or, you know, director,
coordinator and, and ended up joining and it's been a, you
know, fantastic experience. I've grown phenomenally through

(01:04:51):
that, you know, my own growth journey and through John's
wisdom and books, etcetera. Well.
And John went. To and, of course, the people.
That his own stuff too, right? To discover and share.
And that's part of what his mission.
Well, he's just, he's such an inspiration that he's what I
think is 78 now and still keeps learning and still keeps, you

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know, still keeps asking questions, still has that
curiosity to learn from others and the humility to ask the
questions as well. Not to say, oh, I've written 80
books on leadership. I don't need to learn from
anybody else. It's like just all the time.
We can always, we can all learn from somebody.
Absolutely. And this generative conversation

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we've had, we're both learning from each other and and others
are going to be learning from that and their own thoughts that
are inspired from our conversation.
Yeah, yeah. So yeah, thank you.
Thank you for inviting me to, yeah, to take part again.

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So yeah. You're welcome, you know, it's,
it's a beautiful journey to be on and, and thank you for taking
it. I I honour that and we need to
honour others journeys as well and and respect in my opinion,

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the diversity, the the neurodiversity and the
nonlinearness of life where we always thought that things were
linear and they're not. I think all diversity, you know,
really. And I was saying, yeah, we don't
have to understand the people's journeys, and we don't

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necessarily know how to improve the people's journeys, but that
basic human right of dignity andrespect we can always afford
people and. And it's you know, it's funny,
not funny, but it's perfect segue for me to at least speak a
moment about live and let live global peace movement.
I'm operations director. We have two principles, a legal

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and a moral. The moral is be an excellent
human, be your best self right and constantly growing.
The other is a legal principle. It's don't aggress, right?
We want to calibrate the law so that we remove aggression.
Well, what that means is that you've got the right, I have the
right to live my or your life inany peaceful way I choose as

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long as I don't address. And we need to give each other
the space to do that. That gives us the opportunity to
ask questions about each other without feeling like we're in a
battle. Exactly right, because there's
no battle. We're all human beings.
We all seek to love and be lovedat our course.

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That's the bottom line. Yeah, absolutely, totally on the
same wavelength. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%.
And I just think it's just gonna.
Be a new paradigm, right? Yeah, that that you and I and
and people like us are having tofight so much.
There's so much hatred. You know, the stories, lies that

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are being told online about people and groups of people that
are, you know, people are not. The minute you get into group
think, the minute you stop is the minute you start
dehumanizing people and. This has been happening for
decades, millennials, millenniums, right?
So what? It gives us the opportunity and

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I find this is an interesting incorrelation with the Mayan
calendar, right? We were given a lot of a new
level of awareness and and consciousness up through the
solstice of 2012 and and that being the apex, right?
So now it's in us. We carry it everywhere back to
the Harvecker thing, right? What we do anywhere, we do
everywhere. So that change of our own

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vibration effects every place that we go in turn over time it
puts, it pushes everything that's in a disturbance type of
energy to the surface for examination because it's not
coherent, right? So with all of this stuff's
being sifted out and we're seeing it played out, starting

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with the with the pandemic, right?
That was like the bell ringing loudly that affected the entire
globe. That gave us a chance to
sequestrate and self examine andfigure out who we are, why we
are, how we are, what we believein, what we're willing to

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sacrifice for that belief, what we're willing to change in our
own patterns in order to incorporate that belief.
And that belief being that we can love and be loved.
And, and we're, we've fought andbeen disturbing, you know,
thousands, millions, maybe even a billion people have been

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killed in the name of God. Well, how ridiculous is that?
And we're just now getting to the point where we're seeing it
because we've elevated, planetarily speaking, our
consciousness to the point of that recognition that we're all
part of a unified field. Quantum physics has really

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helped that along, right? It's proving what the Vedas said
15,000 years ago that were all divine threads Incarnate
connected to source capable of God consciousness.
That's not blasphemous. That's exactly what Jesus said.
He's even quoted speaking to Thomas in the Dead Sea Scrolls.

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So we're found in Ahmadi, right?He says to Thomas, don't ye know
that ye are God as I am God? Well that didn't get into the
book right? Because the book is about
control still. And even though it's got truth
in it, who the heck is going to,you know, how did how could
women be made for man's rib, right.

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That makes women subservient from the get go.
That's a power play. We don't see it.
And yet it's still prolific. Yeah.
Our planet. Yeah.
So those are things that we needto adjust and change.
Yeah. So in that adjustment and
changing, really. Thank you.
And Lisa, the the wonderful heart wrenching life and and

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story and so wonderful that you've arisen from that and can
share that journey with others. Now, what would you offer?
Suggest advice as a daily perhaps practice for people to
begin to open that door to themselves.

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Don't be afraid to sit in silence and don't be afraid to
sit with yourself. I so many people need noise and
distraction like they go to it because they seem to be afraid
of themselves and afraid of whatthey'll find or discover if they
just sit, you know, and allow that voice inside of them to be

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heard, whether it's their own voice or whether it's the voice
of God or their version of, you know, whoever they think or say
the divine is to them. We have to, we have to stop and
pause and listen and, and sometimes just not do anything,

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not even meditate, you know, noteven pray.
They, they have of course, a place in our lives, meditation
and prayer, but we're still doing something.
And just to learn how to pause it, listen to what is around

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you, ignite the senses again. You learn to awaken again, to
learn. From the nothingness comes
everything. Yeah, I mean, yeah, this is this
is something that I want to do with one of my challenges
actually is, is, is just help people to reawaken to, to, to

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smell things again because the senses are getting dulled.
Things are being taken for granted.
There's so much around us to to be thankful for and to, you
know, that we are blessed by every day that we don't see
because we're so wrapped up so, so, you know, mired in the weeds

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of, of life that we don't look up to realise, to recognise what
we have. So just to reignite the sense of
touch, go feel something, you know, that gives you pleasure,
you know, whether it's like velvet or silk or flower in the
garden and remind yourself, you know, just bask in that moment.

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Pause and really feel that between your fingers.
Smell the food on your plate before you eat it.
The aromas are something amazing, you know, if you've got
the sense of smell and not everybody does.
And of course, as we get older, we tend to lose it.
We don't realise what we've got until we have lost it.
So smell these things now, you know, take your plate before you

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eat your dinner tonight and, andjust, you know, and just be
knocked out by the aromas on your plate or the different
smells of all the foods on there.
Get some spices, you know, open the jars of your spices and and
smell them and pow, beautiful, beautiful scents and aromas and
you know, listen. Listen, you've got a litany of

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things that that you can offer, right?
That's for one. You give me a a dozen, what?
A Baker's dozen, even. Oh, absolutely.
I mean everything. You know, the sights we have
the, the, the, the sounds that we have, the, the taste,
everything. Use your senses.
Be grateful for them. They really are amazing.
And I'm grateful for having you today and thank you for sharing

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your energy, your insight, your wisdom, and may you continue.
Ah. Thank you.
Great. And you, yeah, I look forward to
learning more about your peace movement and everything else
that you're doing. Awesome.
Thank you. Thank you.
Bye. And.
Namaste and in LA Catch. And thanks for sticking with us
for this episode of One World ina New World.

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I'm your host, Zen Benefiel, andI'll see you next time.