Ep 199 - Hyperdimensional Harmony: Where Science Meets the Soul

Ep 199 - One World in a New World with Dr. Michael Pravica🧠✨ What if the universe was more than particles—what if it was a conversation with consciousness itself? ✨🧠In this mind-expanding episode of One World in a New World, Zen Benefiel hosts Dr. Michael Pravica, a Harvard-trained physicist and Caltech alum who dives deep into the intersection of hyperdimensional physics, consciousness, and spiritual experience. Known for his groundbreaking ideas in experimental condensed matter physics and quantum wave theory, Dr. Pravica explores a compelling hypothesis: that the soul, thought, and awareness are part of a larger hyperdimensional architecture that science is just beginning to glimpse.From memories as an infant to dream visitations from departed loved ones, and theories linking the pineal gland to the multidimensional nature of consciousness—this conversation weaves together physics, metaphysics, and faith with bold clarity and awe-inspiring curiosity.💡 Can science explain the soul’s journey beyond space and time?💡 Is consciousness a wave, a particle—or something more?💡 What does hyperdimensionality have to do with love, creation, and free will?🎧 Watch now and enter a new dimension of wonder where science and spirit are not at odds—but finally aligned.Connect with Michael: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-pravica-98680a1a/#HyperdimensionalPhysics #QuantumConsciousness #ScienceMeetsSpirit #WaveTheory #SoulAwakening #OneWorldPodcast #MultidimensionalMindJoin this channel to get access to perks:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuZl_29zHxehqeL89KSCWFA/join_______Assisting in harmony among people and planet: https://planetarycitizens.netConnect with Zen: https://linkedin.com/zenbenefielZen's books: https://amazon.com/author/zendorZen's Coaching: https://BeTheDream.com Zen's CV et al: https://zenbenefiel.comThe Octopus Movement (non-linear thinkers): https://theoctopusmovement.org Live and Let Live Global Peace Movement: https://liveandletlive.orgActivation Products: https://bit.ly/btdactivation

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Thanks for tuning in. Now, this week's guest is Doctor
Michael Pravika. He is an amazing man who's in
the hyperdimensional physics of all things.
He's a graduate of Harvard with experimental condensed matter

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physics. I had to read that over again so
I could remember it. And what a fascinating fields.
Also got a bachelor's from Caltech in physics and
mathematics. He is a very smart guy that
we're going to have some conversations with that you're
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We'll be right back. Do you ever feel like you're in
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human experience. Michael, it's so great to have
you here. A good friend of mine, Victor
Kista, pointed out an article ofyours that was published

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recently and I was like, I got to talk to this guy.
Thank you for coming. My pleasure.
Thank you for the interest in hyperdimensionality and some of
my ideas. Well, kind of.
We, we live in that space, right?
It's no longer liminal. Yeah.
Once we figure it out, it's saying that, OK, so let's back

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up a little bit. You know, we have these
conversations to enlighten and inspire others to explore that
inner world that they don't havemuch time or space to talk about
'cause they're usually, you know, especially if there's
weird shit going on in their lives.
Who are you going to talk to? Ghostbusters?
No, I don't think so. You might find a few, you know,
disincarnates to have a chat with.

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And when you're talking reality and and the person on an
everyday basis, they don't have the direct experience to handle
the conversation. So with us, I think there's a
lot more potential in that in that potential.
And I know with your background,you've got had to have had an

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early experience of interconnectedness that you may
or may not have understood and yet it was an experience that
you had. Do you remember what that was
like and, and kind of where it LED you initially in your
cognition of reality? Yeah.
I mean, when I was very young, you know, I had grandparents

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that really loved me and I used to love to hang out in Niagara
Falls, Canada, where my mother was grew up and, and where they
lived. And I remember this is where
Tesla's hydroelectric at first was successful in Niagara Falls.
And I remember walking, I didn'tgo into the power stations, but
I remember walking by the power stations and always just having

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this sense of electricity as being this amazing phenomenon.
And of course, I was, you know, I'm an Orthodox Christian.
So I've always had that spiritual desire, you know, to
connect with God. And, and so I mean, as far as
early childhood experiences, youknow, I have memories when I was
a little kid and like it was an infant with my mother and being

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on the beach and when I was probably about a year, 14 months
old. So I mean, those are things that
I would correlate with. You ask my parents and they're
like, yeah, you actually were onthe beach and you played with
the little Volkswagen car. And so I I had a very strange
like memory. Phenomenally, you have a memory
that's that. Yeah.
Yeah, Really. Yeah.

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And so that was always of interest to me.
I mean, but I mean, as a child, I mean, I just, you know, I, I,
I, I sort of had, I always had interest in in physics.
And my father was a chemistry professor.
So it was cool. I could ask him questions, you
know, what is energy? What is light?
What is, how does energy transfer?
And he'd be like, well, those are questions that a physicist

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would ask. And so, I mean, I think he was
always hoping I would. There you go, you're on your
path already. Yeah, but I mean, as a young, as
a youth, I guess I thought that physics was going to be the
answer to everything. And as I got older, I realized
that's not quite the case. It's it's the, you know, it's
the way our universe was put together.
But I've realized. There's no answer everything,

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but it sure gives you a lot morequestions.
Yes, yes, and I mean, I rememberin high school I was on the math
team and I did AI was the oralist.
So I would basically be the oralcontender for various
competitions and one might might, I think it was my senior
year. I had non Euclidean geometry was

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the topic. And I remember having this book
and it was a college book. It was a small book, maybe 150
pages, but I went through this book, My, my, my calculus
teacher gave it, you know, loaned it to me and he said you
just cover this book as much as you can and then this will get
you ready for non Euclidean geometry.
And I remember I ended up doing the whole book, but there was

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one problem I couldn't solve. And then that ended up being on
the oral exam, that one problem.And so I did a strategy that
it's a long story, but I basically there were 3 problems.
I could do the 1st 2 problems noproblem, no issues.
And so I spent all my time doingthe two problems and then I sort
of just winged it. We we call it just faking it on

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the for the third and I won the competition so so even in so I
learned from you that included job Yeah, but you retained.
Enough, right? You know, I don't know if folks
realize this. You know, whatever you take in,
it's there. Yes, it's just your, it's a file
system. It's just your ability to pull
that file at the right moment and get out of the way.

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Absolutely. And and I took, I also read a
book called Flatland, which is Sir Edwin, I believe Edwin
Abbott beautiful book from the 19th century about life as A2
dimensional creature that gets visited by a three-dimensional
creature. And so this is kind of where my
interest in dimensionality, whatwould it be like?
Yeah, that would spark the curiosity of a, of so a

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brilliant mind, right. Which you must have had already
to even have that inkling that oh wow, I I want to question
these things. Well, you know, as a physicist,
I've always had questions my whole life.
I've asked questions and I answer questions to my best of
my ability ever as a professor. So it's kind of where science

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starts and where I think spirituality also starts.
It's just why would? I I think as long as when we can
find a bridge, it all fits. If we can't, then we're not
asking the right questions yet. Correct.
And so I just, you know, I accept the fact like Isaac
Newton would have said, you know, I'm only exploring some

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pebbles on the beach. And then I realized the Infinity
of the pebbles before me. But studying mathematics and
then getting into things like Hilbert spaces and, and higher
dimensions, which are and, you know, like string theory, then
it becomes like, you realize it's very natural
mathematically, you know, that we have hyper dimensions, at
least from the standpoint of mathematics.

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And then the, you know, then like sort of like.
One thing to articulate that right you, you've got the math
and the science and, and being able to understand that.
First of all, it's the articulation of it and then
having an experience of it. You you can have all of the

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theory until you have a direct experience that connects
everything and gives you the next set of questions.
Absolutely, and I've had those type of experiences.
You know I had an uncle that hadpassed away I'm get around 2015
and but one night I didn't know he had passed away and it was

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like in the late. Early morning bedroom.
Yeah, I was in my bedroom and I was, I had this dream and I
hadn't seen him for years. And, and I see him and I'm like,
what are you doing here? And I remember this vividly.
And I see this kind of a light at the end of a sort of a like
you're in a basement or in a tunnel or something, this very
bright light. And and unfortunately, you know,

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we, we, we, we, you know, we hadsort of drifted apart.
But so, you know, we had this strange experience.
And I said, what are you doing? And then I woke up and then I
was like, oh, I just had this sense about me, like something
was. I missed a good conversation,
right? Yeah, I used to check into it,
see what he's up to, and then hefound out that morning he had
passed away. So things like that definitely

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are clues that you know absolutely if.
I could. That we connect on higher
levels. I had a similar even a little
more intense at a a dear friend that I grew up with.
We moved to from Indiana to Phoenix and I think three weeks
after we were here, he was killed in a motorcycle accident

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and his girlfriend and their child was with another friend of
ours, mutual of it and they moved to Phoenix prior.
So we were having dinner with them talking about it, and Bob
had said that he'd had an experience with one of his
friends who had passed of a brain tumor.
And they made a pact for him to come back and let him know what

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the other side was like. And so he went through that and
it made me go, hmm, interesting.So my wife that we finished
dinner, they leave. We're laying in bed.
I think my wife's asleep. I'm laying there thinking about
my friend. And I just I went into prayer.
I said, Jesus, if it be you will, you will be done.
Can I talk to Steve? Yeah, and so I started

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projecting. Steve.
Steve, are you out there? Steve.
Steve, can you hear me? Louder and louder, Right.
Nothing. And then I thought, oh, there's
probably a few Steves out there.Don't know.
He'd recognize my voice in the den.
He had a nickname, though. It was Blab and so and there's.
That one. Blab, are you out there?
Can you hear me, man? I hear Bruce, is that you and

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Bing right in the center of my vision, eyes closed, is his
face. And at the same instant my wife
raises up off her now X, she raises up off her pillow and
says, what are you doing? And I said nothing.
Why? And then she says, I just saw
Steve's face. I've tried blanking my eyes.
You wouldn't go away. Dark room, right?
No lights. I had tears running down my face

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because it was so real to her and me.
Then I said to her, you know, here's the skeptic coming in.
You know, medically it's been proven the body loses 21 grams
of weight immediately upon cessation of lightweight has
mass, mass has form. I wonder if we can see him with
our eyes open. And she says, I don't know,
scares me. I'm going back to bed.

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You can do what you want. So I laid back down, eyes
closed. I'm looking out over the end of
the bed. And I said, can I see you right?
And this missed begins to take shape and within a few moments,
his body, full body is standing there, flannel, jeans, flower
shirt, jeans, long hair, just like he looked.
And all I could say, pardon the French is far fucking out man.

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This is great. Now tell me, can you travel with
a thought, my first question. And trails going out of the
room, trails coming back into the room.
There he is again. And again, all I could say is
far fucking out man. Now wait a minute and I know how
powerful my mind can be. Am I actually projecting you
there or are you really there? And no sooner did I ask the

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question, the sheets on the end of the bed moved.
I felt the end of the bed dip, but my focus was a little
tighter and he's got his foot upon the end of the bed, elbow in
his hand, hand on the on his knee, chin in his hand, smiling
at me. I could Cheshire Cat and he
says, how's that? Well, that's.

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Interesting. So at that point I couldn't
handle the energy anymore. I had to get up and walk.
And so I still had the conversation for a couple hours
and I had been on the other side.
So I think that's why things kind of connected and and we had
a discussion about his possibilities there because he
was still a newbie at that point.
So those kinds of things that happened 1981, when you have

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those kinds of things that like your experiences as well, it
opens up that door to further questions and exploration.
Now where did you go with that in in studying that 4th area, if
you will, beyond the three? Yeah, no, I mean, you know,
again, like I say, it was it wasnatural to think about this just

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from a mathematical perspective.But I also just wondered, how is
it that we have this ability with the brain that we have
that's finite volume to, for example, imagine infinite
volumes where even physicists talk about parallel universes,
universes that might be connected by wormholes and
separated in time, where you could go back and see yourself

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20 years ago or maybe 20 years ahead.
So those kinds of questions always like, how is it that we
can imagine this even though we're three dimensionally based
creatures? And so, you know, and then these
moments of inspiration that people have where, you know, all
of a sudden you get this brilliant idea.
And Tesla even said, you know, that our mind is like a receiver

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and a transmitter too, I believe.
And so right well. The entire body.
Body. Yes.
It's all a transceiver. Yeah.
And so where do these ideas where we can think outside of
the box, you know, where we can,because we're not rational
creatures by nature. We're actually irrational.
And that's what allows us to have this incredible creativity

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to create something from nothing.
Emotionally driven, yes. And so, but we do learn
rationality. I'm not saying that we don't
learn rationality, but when you're a baby, you're not
rational. You're just you cry.
You're, you know, you're trying to, you're a scientist because
you're figuring things out, but you're.
Trying to figure out how to navigate right, get up and walk.
To begin with, that's the first thing, you know, that you got to

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do as an infant. So these kinds of questions
started to I began to realize that I don't know, there's
something outside of this universe.
And you know, I would often to be teaching physics and I would
ask my my students would ask me Doc, you talk about The Big
Bang, but what is the universe expanding into?
And I couldn't answer those questions because it's
metaphysics. I can't study, I can't do an

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experiment outside of this 4 dimensional space-time
continuum. But I.
Do you hold that we're kind of ado you hold that we're a
reflection of the universe and and that we're intricately woven
into it and as it expands, we dotoo?
I think that our bodies are haveevolved.
I'm not against evolution, I'm as a scientist, but I think we

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have a different component that we call the soul and our body is
firmly connected to at least I believe in the in the four
dimensional space-time, but our soul is not.
Our soul can transcend. Anything.
It's infinite. And so if you think of the
universe is like a painting and then God is the the creator is
sort of painting and we're inside that painting.

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Our bodies are tethered, but oursoul is not.
Our soul comes from that creator, and that allows the
creator to connect with us from actually it's physics, because
when you, it's an interaction. When you, we have gravity, for
example, our bodies have mass and that allows us to interact
with the Earth in in. Cases.
We are the earth, right? Every cell in our body comes

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from mother. Yes, but the Earth is in some
sense Stardust. So we're also Stardust at the
same time. But it's again that component of
our, what I call the soul, whichI believe is hyperdimensional,
that gives you the imagination to transcend.
You know, what would it be like living in five dimensions or 6
dimensions? It's not that.

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You I'm sorry, consciousness, right that that that gives us
that ability and and like we were talking earlier about the
Vedas, you know, we're given this, you know, we're all divine
threads connected to source capable of God consciousness.
Well, what's that mean? We're capable of loving fully.
Correct. And that's the really the real
message is that God gives us love and we share that love with

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each other. And just like, you know.
We call it love. It's just energy.
It's energy, it's just a, it's a, it's a perfect energy.
It's an energy from the creator.But The thing is in this
universe that we are always, ever since The Big Bang, 13 1/2
billion years ago, energy's beenconverting from one form to the
other, you know, temperature particles.

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And so that energy is different.And in fact, you could argue
that time is something where youhave that it's just simply
conversion of energy, whereas God's energy doesn't involve
time. It's timeless.
And so because it's perfect. And so we receive that perfect
energy and then we share it amongst each other.
But we're unique because we can receive it because we can.

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Because example of that right issome you're, you're sitting in a
classroom, you know, you have a moment where you think you're
just bleak blinking, right? And you have an entire week's
worth of stuff happening in yourhead.
And then you open your eyes up and you're back where you were,
right and and less than 10 seconds has transpired.

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So I have another theory relatedto the hyper dimensionality of
waves and human behavior. So if you look at the brain and
how it acts, I have argued there's a thing called a brain
wave function and it's waves. And so if, if one argument I
have for creativity is like, youknow how when you're in the
shower and you're singing or just doing nothing, and all of a

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sudden something you've been thinking about for weeks pops
into your head. Basically your brain wave
function expands and it can access other solutions and what
I might call the Hilbert space of ideas, which might entail the
hyperdimensionality, the thinking outside of the box, but
the essence is you're relaxing. So now the brain is able to

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sample these solutions and now you've figured it out and you
can come back to where you were and solve the problem.
And so that's just something that is is why we need to rest,
why we need to, you know, this the 7th day God rested.
And so the essence is that we'redefocusing the wave, not or just
being. Still.

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Well-being, yeah. But even if you look at you see
the restless spirit, the restless spirit comes from waves
that are reflecting, like in a pond.
And you have standing waves. That's our essence.
Is this the restless spirit? So I even have a theory of
happiness and it has to do with expansion of these waves.
Your happiest moments are when you're just not focused.

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You're just literally, you're inthe you're just being universe,
yeah. You're fully present, you're
being doing comes afterwards because you're just being and
what essentially, I don't want to use the word need, but that's
what comes up. It's what you need to do next.
Shows up in front of you. Yeah, sure.

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Absolutely right. Yeah.
So that's, that's sort of word then that, you know, morphed
into that idea of of that I can explain many aspects like autism
or multiple personality issues or or ADHD based on this brain
wave function. So I've actually written a paper
on it and I, I'm waiting to see,I submitted it to this famous

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philosophical journal because itstarts with the wave particle
duality. And that's one of the most
important paradoxes or just aspects of physics that anything
can be looked at as a particle in a wave.
So I'm saying, OK, whereas most people would look at matter,
it's just an assembly of particles, atoms, nuclei,
protons, electrons. I'm saying, no, no, no, they're

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all waves. And forget about the particles.
Particles are confined waves. And so then the idea is if you
now that take that based on thisprinciple just philosophically
now look at the the the body as a hologram, an interference
pattern of these waves. Now, like Tom Campbell, where,
where does the avatar right? Where, where does the the

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creation take place? Because as we're, let me ask you
a better question. Where does awareness come in?
Yeah. So awareness or consciousness is
an awareness of past, present and future and simultaneously,
and it is a higher, I believe, ahigher dimensional aspect where

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you are connected to the creatorand perhaps even all of the
creation, his creation. And, and you have that sense of
your place that you are part of that you are LinkedIn to the
bus, you know, the, you know, tolike the, the electrical bus.
You are connected, as Tesla would say you are, You're the

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transceiver of this massive energy, this massive knowledge
of something that's been around forever.
And so that awareness is powerful because then we
realized we we're all special, we're all unique, but we're all
connected. Through that, absolutely.
How do you ascribe, or would youascribe to a theory that says,

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OK, we're each created uniquely,we each have a purpose?
Are we each of, like the beta, say, a thread in the tapestry
that has our own perfected form,fit and function in the world
that we're just not aware of until we start seeking purpose?
I think so. I think that struggling for

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these kinds of just struggling in general.
Why am I suffering? Why am I bearing this cross?
Well, sure, but I think it brings us closer to our creator.
And So what the the essence is that by seeking this knowledge,
by seeking this connection, and that's where you develop higher

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awareness. In my opinion.
We have free will and so that free will very powerful.
It's quantum. It's, you know, it's like
related to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.
You just don't know how a person's going to act.
But the point is that I haven't actually an explanation for
this, you know? How you're going to act.
You have that free will to make the choice of how you respond.

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Absolutely. Absolutely.
But the point is, since we're all connected, then one of the
things that you realize with that free will is can you make
the world a little bit of a better place, or are you going
to make it of a worse place? The creator doesn't want this.
He wants this, that we all grow like the Brian.
Say, you know, in in La Catcha, I can it.
It's I am another you basically.So when you see the mirror in

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yourself, what you're not seeingin the other is what you need to
work on in yourself, or what you're seeing in the other you
don't like is what? And it gives you that
opportunity of working with thatpart of you and treating it with
love instead. Correct, correct.
So I like to look at like not a little bit of physics where we
talk about black bodies where they freely receive energy and

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give up energy like the sun approximately and or like an
oven. Okay, so now the point.
Is. Well, not, we won't get into it,
but just just very, you know, sort of superficially, the, the
essence is that we are radiators, We receive energy and
we, we have a choice. Are we going to radiate that
love or are we going to try and be selfish and, and, and, you

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know, keep it to ourselves? The problem is keeping it to
yourself is like taking a selfie.
You're getting a reflect. You're reflecting that energy
you're not giving you. Know you're giving the talents
that's not using them right? That's correct them rather than
sharing them and then when you don't.
Share it, you become cold, you lose you're not you want all you
want is to receive love, but notto give it.
And the problem with that from aphysics perspective is it

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doesn't work. You're then you lose the
interaction. You know, the Earth pulls on me,
but I also pull on the Earth because we mutually interact.
So everything in the universe ismutual.
The problem is with humans is because if you free will, we can
disconnect that mutuality and that selfishness and that's not
going to end up well for and that's usually.

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Because we've been traumatized when we were younger in some
way, shape or form. So we're afraid to be open.
Because we've been taught that you can't be correct I.
Agree with you. And I was taught that too.
You know, we're not supposed to cry.
We're not supposed to get emotional as guys.
And I think it's wrong. I think it actually cry at
commercials. No, I.
I'm not. I've got what?

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Look, I'm not. I'm not proving anything to
anyone. I'm I We can't, right?
All we can do is invite them to explore, right?
But I think that part of the essence of, of, of being a human
is to have emotion, to have sadness, to have happiness and
to share, to share love. And, and so I mean, from a

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physics perspective, I can actually understand it, you
know, and, and I think it's maththere too.
Right. It just makes sense now.
How can we? So here's science and
spirituality bridging. Yeah.
Yeah, True, right. Absolutely.
Here's another. Question that I have and I don't
know how much you mentioned the brain and what I found what I

(26:43):
thought was really intriguing because you're talking right
brain, left brain, which is whatmost people talk about, right
analytic and creative side. And then there's a corpus
callosum which is the transceiver in between.
What's interesting is that at either end of the of the corpus
callosum is a hypothalamus and pineal.

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Yes, yes, yes. So I have a theory about that
too, related to the wave. So when you when you dream your
brain, because it's a, it's the most amazing machine we know of,
computer we know of in the universe.
So it needs to take a break because you're literally like
electrical circuits. You don't want to overload it
during the day. You're getting receiving images,

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you're processing them, you're giving responses and commands.
So the point is the brain needs a break.
So that brain wave function thatI mentioned collapses I believe,
into the pineal gland. The pineal gland is something
different. I don't think it's connected
like you with the usual neural circuitry.
So it's like a freeway of running.

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The problem with the break is you have these circuitry and so
it's like you have these phases and everything, but they get
controlled because of the synapses, because dopamine and
there's another. Conspiratorialist group out
there that says all that, you know, we're set up to.
They're trying to calcify our pineals, right?
Which I'm like, no, you're just not making the right choices.

(28:07):
You haven't figured it out. Yeah, well, I.
Think I think you know you are, you know your, your essence is,
is physical and and mental. I mean, you know, healthy body,
healthy mind and vice versa. So of course we we're a
holistic. Unit.
We're a connected to everything we are.
We are a connected unit. We are a hologram of of love, a
hologram of of this energy. And so the point is that of

(28:30):
course we do have to worry aboutwhat we eat.
And but I mean, the pineal gland, I mean, the body filters
things too. Calcium gets stored in bones and
stuff like that, not like in thebrain as much.
So But yeah, the pineal gland is, I think where you have this
perhaps a hyperdimensional link where you're free running, this
free running way. It's got to be somewhere.

(28:50):
Right. There has to be some physical
link plug in, if you will. Yeah, to that cosmic computer,
sure. No, absolutely.
Yeah. I mean, I think the soul is more
than that. I mean it's it's a link.
Yes, absolutely. But remember we can't see 5

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dimensional, 6 dimensional and on bodies.
So it's like, oh, I would. Based on my experience, you
know, we had a discussion about that and you know, I know you're
not going to give me some blowback because you have no
reason to, because you can, you can conceive of that possible
stability. Yes, yes.

(29:32):
Absolutely. If if you looked at did you see
Interstellar? Yes.
OK, so. They got the physics right and I
was watching this about like 4 dimensional tesseract and offset
in time. And I'm looking at the, you
know, I'm like who did this? This is amazing.
And I look at the credits and itsays science advisor Kip Thorne.

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Kip Thorne was my professor at Caltech who taught me
Introduction to General Relativity and got a Nobel.
Many decades later, I'm like, OK, that's heartwarming.
It's. Like, oh wow, he's very
heartwarming. Because he was a great
professor. I loved him.
But so the essence is that coming back to the 6th and 7:00
and 9:00, you know, we when likeI think when you pass, I think

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you see the higher dimensions. I think maybe some people, of
course, the lucky ones, maybe they can see them in dreams and
whatnot. But you know, it's just even
based on my, you know. Because I, I've explored a lot
of things that I've mentioned Jeffrey Misla earlier during
his, you know, the dive into parapsychology and all of that.
And I've had that as well. And yet I've also, you know, had

(30:37):
a couple master's degrees in business.
So I had hard skills, soft skills and also the metaphysics.
Yeah. Well, you got to be balanced,
right? You've got to be practical and
pragmatic. Even though there is so much
available, you still have to figure out how to bring it in,
make it applicable, and then be able to share that in some way

(30:59):
so that you don't appear too crazy.
No, I. Totally agree with you so in
that. Craziness, you know, we have
this capacity and and especiallySpeaking of practical, let's
let's look at this and and this it's kind of a tangent, but not
really. We had globally a chance to

(31:21):
sequestrate and self examine when that pandemic happened.
Yes, we didn't have a choice, right?
Yeah, we still had choice because some people chose to
binge watch instead of sitting with self and and doing their
self examination. Those that did began having
these questions of something doesn't feel right.

(31:42):
Who am I? What am I really, you know, what
do I believe in? What am I willing to do?
Where's my passion and how do I want to grow with that in
something where I can, and they haven't even thought about this
yet, where I can take my skill sets that I've developed and
apply them into an area that actually is energetically
fulfilling? Yes.

(32:04):
And helps humanity, makes the world a little bit of a better
place, it seems like. We're set up, you know, if you
want to call it divine intervention or, or what we want
to blame people for starting andwho cares, right?
That judgement, condemnation, criticism, just like Jesus said,
it's worthless, right? It just gets you caught up in
the distraction and not in the love with you.

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I think that's the essence is that when we forget about the
love, when we're competitive andyou know, we're focused on the
day-to-day distractions that areall over the place.
I think it I think we lose our humanity and we lose our
purpose, our sense of, you know,wonder of the world and and you
know, what can we do to make it a better place?
And I think stem. Programs won't necessarily bring

(32:50):
that back. However, it does give an give an
opportunity for developing critical thinking, Yes.
Well, yeah, I mean, The thing is, I'm, I'm very thankful that
I had that I love math and that I love physics because, you
know, our physical world is based on physics essentially.
And so we are, you know, our body is part of that.
Physics came about through that physics, and so, you know, it's

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a temple. And so the point is.
We do. If we want to survive in this
world, you do need to understand, you know, logic, you
need to understand the physics. So I think God gave us 2 gifts,
logic and love. So love is what allows us to
break beyond the barriers and couple and think outside of the

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box because we love something, because we're trying to solve
something. Logic is what says, OK, now I
can take what I've come with through love through these
ideas, through the transceiver concept.
And now I'm going to try to makeit practical, which Tesla said
and worked out some. Equations, right?
I mean I. Can't fly.
I mean, I can fly if I go on a plane, but you know what I mean?

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I'm tethered because of gravity and my body.
I can fly in my mind and maybe in my spirit.
But you know, I wonder sometimesif these are just.
Belief systems that we've allowed to, that we've locked
into so deeply that we don't realize that we can't, right?
And a lot of things happen because we don't realize that it

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can't be done. It's just like, oh, I don't
know, let's try it and find out.Wright Brothers.
Obviously had a belief that theycould fly like a bird and they,
you know, took quite a while, took a lot of effort, but they
did. So I do agree with that.
Yes, yeah. And and.
Even I don't remember the scientists names, but the the
discovery of the Higgs boson right was developed by

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determining the signs of a particle decaying.
They don't see the actual particle.
They have this data that indicates that it's
disappearing. Pain reaction I had I.
Was in a discussion of Science Cafe with one of Lawrence
Krauss's Tasmania and I said to him and you know is it possible

(35:04):
that what they saw as the decay of a particle was actually a RIP
in the fabric of dimensional fabric repairing And I got a
deer in the headlights look I didn't even thought about that
Now that to me makes more commonsense.

(35:25):
And a particle that's a fusion of two protons rammed together
at near lightspeed, right? Very.
Fast. They didn't consider that.
Why? Why would you think that would
happen? Because to me, it seems like
they had a limited view because they were They wanted to find
something, they were looking forit, and they found it.

(35:46):
I remember statistics. And the data right?
Yeah. So I, yeah, I mean, I remember
that story in the 80s called Arubia.
I met him briefly when I went toHarvard when I was a graduate
student. And he was what they wrote a
book about him. It wasn't very positive, but
about searching for that basically, let me give you an
example. OK, from the ancient Greeks, I

(36:07):
believe it was Socrates, but correct me if I could be wrong.
But there he was a very well known, well loved scholar at the
back in the day ancient Greece. And he believed that the sun
goes around the earth. And there was another scholar
and again I forgot his name. I taught this many decades ago,

(36:27):
but I forgot. And who said no one Miles right?
Yeah. No, no, no.
No, the earth goes around the sun.
But then Socrates or whoever this scholar was said, no, no,
no, we would fall off. We would fall off.
And that became the state of human understanding for
millennia until people like likeCopernicus and and Kepler came

(36:51):
about and then ultimately Isaac Newton to pull it all together
with this calculus that showed that it was wrong, that in fact
the this Earth was going around the sun.
So what I'm trying to tell you is, unfortunately, even in
science we have, how do I say, mafia?
We have people that they're the nations.
They're the experts. They're the people that, you

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know, this person's like, you know, God, they're really, they
know everything, but they reallydon't, OK.
And so then people say, well, this he or she said it, so it's
got to be the truth. Well, then what happens is in
physics you find out that that ultimately that theory may have
been wrong and it's cool. There's nothing to knock down
the people you know. Technically new, not at all

(37:35):
because. They did the best with what they
had the knowledge they had. And it's incremental.
It's like xenos paradox. We're getting more and more
understanding closer and closer to the truth.
So it's OK. So you know, I myself, I've had
deep questions. I just got through an, an
interview with an editor at the Daily Mail because they were had

(37:56):
did a piece on the, the originalpiece in the popular Republic,
sorry, Popular Mechanics on thishyperdimensionality.
And we went back and forth and he's asking me very kind of like
you, He's asking me deep questions like where's your
proof for hyperdimensionality? Well, actually, technically I
can't have proof because I need to do experiments outside.
I don't need to prove I. Lived it, so I know it exists

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and I'm looking like, OK, how can we explain this to where we
can bridge the spirituality and the science?
Have it makes sense and they make that sense common and so.
We went back and forth and I actually myself, I came up with
some interesting ideas about Einstein had this problem with
the coupling of quantum particles.

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He called the spooky action and distance.
But it actually is very easy to solve when you get into
hyperdimensionality or issues ofour universe.
If you think of a, if you analogize the universe to like a
flat piece of aluminum foil and you squish, you crumple it,
that's kind of like, you know, gravity crumple space-time.
So you start out with what we call Euclidean space-time, you

(39:03):
crumple it. And so there's your
hyperdensionality because you'reforcing non Euclidean curvature
into a Euclidean space that's kind of hyperdimensional.
So that's like trying to put. Non linear into linear, right?
And nothing is linear. And all we have to do is just
look at all the models that are available physical structures.

(39:24):
You know, we're rotating, we're spinning around on the Earth.
We're, you know, having a spiralaround the sun.
The sun's going around the center of the Galaxy and there's
all these spirals happening. How the heck could that be
linear? Well, it's not linear.
I mean it can be linear but but you know I mean short basis,
right? Yeah, yeah.
It's just you know, without getting too deeply into the

(39:46):
physics, the point is that most of physics is linear so it's
stuff that we can solve. But there is non linear physics
like chaos theory like fluid mechanics which is actually you
can't solve the butterfly effectand isn't chaos.
Just patterns we don't recognizeyet, right it?
Just means we don't have sufficient mathematics yet to

(40:07):
understand it, but it doesn't mean that it's not something
that's beautiful. That's something that just like
we don't have the, the the. And we may now I'm not aware of
it, but we've got curly in photography, but we don't have
anything that measures the size of an aura from that
perspective. Now there are pseudoscience
tools like dowsing rods where I've experienced the the the

(40:32):
measurement of an aura in three different past, present, future,
right past and future are both limiting.
They're only about the diameter of the aura is only about 12 to
15 feet maybe, whereas in the present it is almost 100 feet,
if not more. And I've seen this demonstrated

(40:55):
on several occasions now. Is it pseudoscience?
Maybe. Dowsing rods have been used for
centuries, right? It's like astrology.
It's a science we haven't reallylearned how to accept and
navigate through yet because originally we were told not to.
Right? Right.
Well, like a little kid. Oh, don't do that.
Well, that's the first thing I want to do.

(41:15):
Figure out me. Too, me too, by the way, when
people say no, I say why not, you know.
And so no, the essence is that'svery similar to my wave theory.
Is there something called effanescent waves that all waves
that are confined have a little bit of a penetration depth into
a new medium and the medium in this case would be the error on
my head. So actually there is sort of the

(41:38):
beginnings of perhaps ESP that that you do have a wave function
that does permeate and an awareness outside of your brain.
And I can explain it with just simple wave theory.
I mean, it's very easy to understand.
So I mean, I don't, you know, again, I'm a physicist, so I
think I see things in a very concrete way.
But I'm also an Orthodox Christian, so I'm good with the

(42:00):
spirituality. But you know what it's like.
Do you remember, like if you go to the Vatican and there's a
famous, I think it was Michelangelo who did this,
there's a painting where there'sman and he's sticking his finger
out and there's God, he's sticking his.
You're not. Quite there.
That's the connection. Spirituality and religion and

(42:21):
science and religion do not haveto, in my opinion.
They don't contradict, they complement absolutely well.
They prove it. They prove it from two different
angles, the physical and the spiritual, yes, or the
immaterial or what we let's justsay energy, right?
Because even in the physical form, it's still all energy.
So we look at it more from the condensed energy and let's say

(42:45):
spectralized energy. But that's the energy I was
mentioning that is in our stuck in our four dimensional
space-time 3 + 1 universe. But there's another energy that
if you read the Bible, there wasthis, I'm sure you have the it's
called mana. There's this spiritual like food
that God gave like Moses. Then I can explain from God's

(43:08):
energy, from this perfect energythat he's giving to the humans
and then for I mean, I don't know the mechanism, but then
somehow they I don't necessarilyknow it either.
I. Know that when I'm in it, I have
no thirst, no hunger. That's the fact.
Energy is like educated, yes. We have an icon in of Saint

(43:29):
Nicholas who is the Western theycall him Santa Claus, but really
it's a Saint Nicholas and tier in Vegas at a mission, Orthodox
mission and it is streaming Mer continuously and it's a
beautiful sweet smelling myrrh. I can't articulate it.
And often we get blessed. They'll put it like in the shape
of the cross on our foreheads and that little miracle, which

(43:51):
is so God. This is the way God does things.
It's like in the Manger be Jesusbeing born like like you have to
believe, but it's there to see and I've and it's been in my
house and it's been in my fatherin law's house and it's like I
can't explain it. It's a portal.
It's a portal now from Saint Nicholas.
But Saint Nicholas is of course,connected with God, and he was

(44:13):
the one that gave presents. That's where the Santa Claus,
you know, fantasy came. But like Jesus said.
Right, we don't need any of that.
We got a direct connect, we justhaven't learned how to use it
right. And that's the.
Holy Spirit for me is the is that we pray when you pray, you
are opening that connection to God.
And so that's why I think it's very important that we all pray

(44:36):
because, and I think even praying together is a good thing
because God will hear those scripts in my Is it possible to?
Just develop a life. That is a prayer.
Sure, I try, I try and follow Jesus gave the perfect example
of the of the man who suffered and gave he got nothing out of
this world of all the people that lived on this planet, he

(44:58):
got zero and he gave everything all.
You know what I mean? Test is a lower version of that,
but like that, well, he he did. Demonstrate that everything he
did we could do and more. And then he even showed, OK, so
I'm going to show you that even more.
And he came back 40 days and then and.

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He went. Right.
He can. Do that, why can't we Now
there's a a series of books, twodifferent books, series 1
written by Byron Spaulding. Scientists took a a group of
scientists Southeast Asia looking for the monks that were
supposedly 6 to 800 years old tosee if it was real found out it

(45:40):
was then. But Guy Ballard under the pen
name Godfrey Ray King wrote a series of book in the 1920s.
Both of them, actually, these were written in the 20s, and
Godfrey's experience, or Guy's experience with an ascended
master known as Saint Germain, began on Mount Shasta.

(46:02):
And then he led him through all of these writings and showing
him these additional spaces of which Jesus was the key figure
of, right? So here's this interdimensional,
intradimensional experience thatwe had the capacity to have.

(46:25):
We just haven't allowed ourselves the freedom to explore
it because we're too tied into, hey, I got to make a living.
I got to pay the bills, you know, I got to take care of the
wife and kids and cars and houseand all that kind of stuff,
which is tremendously limiting on that expanded consciousness
because it takes time, sort of, you know, I I heard some

(46:49):
references from other worlds of their view of time, that it's a
measurement in the change of entropy.
Yeah, I know. But, and I'm saying it's a
change of energy as well. You can look at converting
energy and you can relate it. I just like the conversion of
energy because then it now makessense that God's energy doesn't

(47:10):
convert, and because in the Bible, entropy.
Yes. So you've got the entropy from
the linear mind that says all systems go into decay.
These are man made systems. That what that's what we've
observed because nature is cyclical.
Nothing decayed. I mean right?

(47:30):
So what if nature's more? Like helical, so things will
it's not its cycles, but also nature is evolving.
So you do have change, but it's a slow change, sure.
However, would you say that the universe is constantly refining
itself, you know, into greater order?

(47:53):
Well, let me give you. An example, okay, so if you look
at again The Big Bang initially,and there's a famous book, The
First 3 Minutes by Steven Weinberg, who I also met when I
was a graduate student at Harvard, he's got a Nobel Prize
for. I'm so fortunate.
To have this, you know. It's better to have bacon,
right? Sure, sure.
No, but he wrote, he got a NobelPrize for unifying

(48:16):
electromagnetism with the weak nuclear interaction along with
Sheldon Glashow and Abdul Salam.So The thing is, if you read his
book, he explains in the beginning there was just energy
like, you know, these hot, theseparticles, like the, like the,
the Higgs boson, W particles, quarks, and they're in the soup.

(48:36):
And then over time, things are cooling because the universe is
expanding from The Big Bang. And then things cool as they
cool. Now some of these particles
start to condense. And so instead of you had
protons, antiprotons, now you have just kind of more protons
and, and, and electrons, positrons.
Well, they're starting to condense.
And now it's just kind of an offset of most the electrons.

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At some point you form hydrogen and, and, or, or like the the
protons and the neutrons. So neutrons are just protons and
electrons together. So, but the neutrons decay when
they're free. So there's this critical time,
like 11 minutes or something that all the neutrons are going
to go and decay. Well, if they decay, then you're

(49:18):
stuck with just protons. It's going to be a lot harder to
synthesize matter because matterneeds neutrons.
Sure, because you know what I mean.
I mean, any like carbon carbons,12 is 6 protons, 6 neutrons.
You need those to stabilize the nucleus.
So he's the number of man 6. Protons 6.
Neutrons 6 electrons, Sure. Exactly.

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You got it. You know this, I know that for.
Gosh, most of my adult life hypochemistry.
Just makes sense. Yeah, no.
Absolutely. So the point is that basically
ever since that Big Bang, now the proton, the neutrons are
decaying, but then they suddenlyhook up with, you know, to with
with protons to form hydrogen nuclei like deuterium,

(50:03):
deuterium. Now the deuterium can start to
fuse and now you can build higher like carbon, like oxygen.
And so stars can form. So the essence is what what what
you see is there's this creativeprocess that's gone on since,
for instance, time t = 0 of the universe where you had to take

(50:24):
billions of years for this. Hot gases that are expanding to
some of them condense and they start to form stars.
They get to a high pressure, high temperature, and then they
start to synthesize nuclei. We are Stardust.
So there's no question that there is this order of synthesis
of these molecules that ended upthen and I have my own research

(50:45):
goes on to looking at how X-rayspossibly actually synthesize the
first organic molecules. And then with this is called
astrobiology. Those those in outer space and
like the civilized cold conditions of comets or
asteroids and they came to Earthand they see the earth.
How you say that the? Civilized cold condition, yeah.

(51:05):
Well, I'd like you to start as far nothing survives.
It's all very hard. So it's very O temperature, your
chemistry. And so the essence is that once
like you're old, you're obviously older than I am.
You must remember the Paul Massan no wine before it's time.
Remember that commercial? So because you, you were saying

(51:26):
you were like 70s, I was like, Iwas in high school in the early
80s. So, so the point is that
commercial is kind of the essence of life on this planet.
This planet has been undergoing a creative process for billions
of years. And we wouldn't have been ready
if we were around the dinosaurs.There wasn't a lot of soil.
Everything was more hardcore like trees and then dinosaurs

(51:49):
eating up all the small animals.So we had to wait before we were
ready to inherit this planet because it took all this
billion, billion years of life kind of evolving until we were
ready. And then when God saw what he
was happy with, then he breathedhis hyperdimensional breath into
us and we became, you know, we became Homo sapiens.

(52:11):
So let me. So you brought up hydrogen.
Yes, I'd love to talk about the hydrogen in in this perspective.
So I'd mentioned earlier that I have a rich metaphysical
experience. I'd question the the origins of
the Trinity because it's ubiquitous in all the major
religions. So where did it come from?
All right. Could you explain that?
Going through. I'd mentioned William Swigard

(52:33):
and his methodologies, his techniques, multi plane, multi
level awareness. I was getting ready to go
through one one day and I had and I'm going to get into really
weird stuff. So in college I read Castanadas
books and I'd wondered if I had a guide or an ally.
So I you know prayed ask the question.

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This old Indian shows up in my head one day and I go see his
face and I get the name Zephyr and along with the a voice that
was semi recognizable he had me write in what looked like
Sanskrit. So I had no idea what the hell
he said. I wrote 3 pages of it one day.
So I am getting ready to go through this multi level

(53:14):
experience and Zephyr shows up inside and he waves to me.
He says come. So I'm out of body.
We're travelling across the universe, stars go by for a
little bit, then blackness, nothing.
And we're talking along the way because I'm trying to figure out
where he's taking me and we're just basically doing a recap
over the last few years that I hadn't seen him.
So then all of a sudden we get we arrive at this 3 sun solar

(53:39):
system with a dozen small green planets around it, planar
orbits, and I feel like Ellie coming out of the wormhole right
in contact. I had I just was in all tears
streaming down my face. I remember that very.
And. As I'm watching and this is at
the perimeter, I hear one voice.Many voices, as one, say.

(54:06):
And three, we are not only your forefathers, we're also the
forefathers of your solar system.
Interesting. And so.
Yeah, exactly. So I wanted to ask questions and
Zephyr says Nope, that's it, yougot all you need, you'll figure
it out. So we turn and come back.
On the way back, I already understood, you know, the proton

(54:28):
electron to neutron, that's the micro of the macro.
Now we're so, but hydrogen doesn't fit.
Here's where we're going with that.
Hydrogen's the most plentiful gas in the universe, powers the
sun, and is the bonding agent for our DNA Helix.
Now that's correct. Is it possible?

(54:49):
That consciousness flows throughhydrogen.
Well, that's a great question. I mean just based on.
On that, I don't know, it's justit seems like a relevant
question. Yeah, no, it's a very.
Relevant question? Some kind of?
Energy that transfers intelligence, yeah.

(55:10):
So there is a field of physics which actually relates very
deeply to my when I've been talking about my wave waves and
human behavior called quantum biology and where.
And this is something I'm grappling with right now
actually, that DNA, it's just, you know, with, with the
standard DNA ideas that you havethis Helix that is, as you said,

(55:34):
there's phosphate bonds, there'sribose, there's this basically
hydrogen bonding is what, what is kind of holds it together and
the S and of course, water beingthe solvent of life, water, the
essence of water is that hydrogen bonding you're talking
about. And what is 70%?
Right. And so there.
Is a question is that could there, for example, could there

(55:54):
be something, you know, let's say you're a member of a of a,
you know, I'm going to call themtribes because that's
unfortunately how humans have broken into.
So you have a tribe that let's say suffer genocide.
Is there something that gets putinto your DNA quantum
mechanically because of that suffering that changes your DNA?
I mean, I, I would say first, I would say first answer no, but I

(56:16):
don't know. I just don't know because I want
well because of the collective. Experience.
I would think there would be remnants in the energy
everywhere. That doesn't mean that they
affect things because we have choice, right?
However, you've got those collective memories means creos,
right? That permeate history that we

(56:40):
then have the choices as to whether to continue to
participate or make a different choice.
I agree with you. It's.
All about choice. But all I'm saying is that if
you look at different peoples inthe world, you know, we're all
human beings, but there are still different characteristics
that different, absolutely. Diversity it is, you know, and,
and I think that. It has to do with their
environment. I think there was a coupling

(57:02):
with the environment and whatever happened into that
people that ends up, I don't know if it gets encoded or it's
just like you said, it's some collective memories that get
shared down the generations. But I'm grappling or it's, you
know. Stored in the main computer that
and it's just there, right? It's in that cyberspace, right.
So I think there I mean. I wouldn't say hydrogen

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directly, but hydrogen bonding absolutely that there is
something that relates to our bodies.
You know, we are an eigen state of this universe.
Basically whether you what you know, you can just argue if you
don't believe God directly was involved, that's fine.
The point is, God set up the conditions, the charge of the
electron, the proton we have. Choose that everything.

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We don't know what to call it, so we call it God, right?
It's something so far beyond ourcomprehensive intelligence.
That Tesla spoke of the point isthat that this was designed,
this universe was designed to support us, to create us to you
know, and sustain us. That's an amazing impossible.
That we were the creators of it,and that now we've learned how

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to condense and deform in order to experience it.
I. I.
Can't. I can't.
Yeah. Don't know.
Don't know. That's another thing I wanted to
ask. Back to the DNA Helix, right?
The symbol for yin and Yang? Yes, yes.
Is it? Possible that that is A2

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dimensional image of a three-dimensional spiral that
has that light pulsing through it in order to create the spin
that allows us to condense into form or manipulate matter.

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You know, these are things as welook further into our anatomy,
our structure and how it's reflected in the outer worlds,
the ancients that have left us these, you know, 2 dimensional
symbols that are act like the primer in contact, right?
The things are two-dimensional until you fold it together
because oh wow. Well, here's machine blueprints

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that we never saw. You know that you have the
moment of conception when the two, this egg and this, the
sperm, get together and they fuse their DNA.
There's a flash, flash white andif you saw Tom Cruise, you know
the risky business, there's likethis flash and as they're doing

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that thing on the train and you know what I mean?
So it's like, you know, it's sort of figurative, whatever.
But the point is that I believe that that's when your soul is
created that like, if you know, not to get too negative, but if
you, you know, if that child dies and births, you're going to
meet that child in, in heaven, in in the afterlife.
That is the full created soul right there in that moment.

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Sure. I'm not sure about that and and
referencing, you know, Jesus on the mount when he was talking to
Moses and Elijah and, you know, recognized it as, you know,
maybe part of the same and. You know, there's all kinds of
references to reincarnation. Your answer book calls it
repersonalization because you never fully reincarnate as the

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same being, you. Same essence, same soul,
different framework from which you're advancing.
Or hopefully, right? Hopefully.
Yeah. And there is too much evidence
of that. That I mean.
Thousands of case studies about people who knew places that they

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shouldn't have because it was another life they had.
So when you've got all this interconnectedness taking place,
it would seem relevant that as we expand that we begin to
include these things that help us understand this
hyperdimensional physics act of our own.
B right well. Another way to look at that, if

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you know, I can't say no, I don't know, but I mean obviously
as a orthodox, interesting conversation.
Though, right? It's interesting.
But you can also tap into perhaps somebody's memories
hyperdimensionally, either in the parallel universe concept
where let's say there's universe20 years behind us.
Yeah, but don't we only? Have the Here's I I argue with

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that because we only have one point of reference, right?
In any given moment, we only have one point of reference.
Yeah. You do, unless if you split into
multiple personalities, then youkind of lose that reference.
And that's why it's a hard, it'sa harder for people, yes.
And I also. Wonder if those are different
aspects on those multiple dimensions that they're already

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hooked up to and they just don'trecognize it and they choose.
I'm not saying everybody, I'm saying it's possible that some
of this right because MPD, there's enough of it that I
think in the spectrum, right thebell curve, you've got the
public 4th, the standard deviation right that these

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people occupy and maybe I do too.
So there's this playfulness in the fringe of a quasi functional
place because there is all, there are all of these different
aspects of the being that are being presented.

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And could this just be indicators of our own
evolutionary process that we haven't learned how to deal with
yet because we don't try to understand the person?
You know, it's like when I firsthad my awakening.
A year later, I got beat up at afrat house, ended up in the
hospital. My parents decided to commit me.
I told the doctor my experiences.

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I wanted somebody to listen to help me work through it.
I was not going to deny it's reality.
He was like he was wanting me todeny my reality and drugging me
to enforce that didn't work. So when you got those kinds of
things, it it, you know, if you can't as a scientist, right?

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You step back, you observe, and you ask questions direct,
correct. Now how do we?
How do you see this nature that we have of wanting to project
our belief systems on everythingelse, right, whether they're and

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then get stuck in the cognitive dissonance because we can't
figure out why we're wrong, correct.
Right. Well, I mean, you know, first of
all, again, as an Orthodox Christian, I'm taught I don't
proselytize. I mean, I have my point of view.
I love, you know, I love to share it if people are willing
to hear, but I'm not going to force it on people.

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And I'm certainly not going to be of the philosophy of some
other people who believe that just because you happen to
disagree with somebody's views, you have the right to, you know,
kill them or destroy them or I would never do that.
I But that's what free Will's all about is you get the choice.
No, nobody forced the choice upon you.
I'm just simply saying that I believe first of all, there is

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overlap with all faiths. You know humans it, which is
weird, but you know the concept isn't really that.
Weird, because like, it's a liminal space, right?
We all know that. Yes, right.
I believe. That the hyperdimensionality not
only gives us the consciousness,gives us conscience.

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So I believe we all have it. Comes from the.
I would. 1. 100% agree with thatand so.
That is where there has been an overlap on many religions.
And I think the most important thing is that we want to treat
each other as sons of children of God.
OK. And so that means that that's
something and that and that tookme a long.

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It seems so simple, but it actually took me a long time.
You know, I really just did not.It's so simple as.
Complex, right I. Couldn't believe that this guy
that I thought was so horrible. How could you be a a child of
God? But you know what you are.
We all are. And if you, I think if we all
had that sense of mutual respectand that we help one another,

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that's the most important thing.It's not about who's right,
who's wrong. It's about, are you helping one
another? Do you love each?
Do we love each other? That's what made us survive on
this planet. Each of us are survivors.
There's another guy. Absolutely.
Well we're more than survivors. We're Co creators.
That's what we're designed to be.
And we're even told we're gods and goddesses, an embryo.

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We are sons and daughters. Yes, yes.
So if I'm. Saying I am God like Jesus said
Dead Sea Scrolls, right, didn't get into the Bible, but in the
Dead Sea Scrolls, which has beena little more preserved over
time, he says to Thomas, don't ye know that ye or God is I am

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God? And that's basically what he's,
you know, if you read between lies in the Bible, that's what
he's saying. He's like I am in him is the
same as the I am in US. And you know why?
Because we're directly connectedto the PM, we're on that bus,
we're on that Channel of and that's what the gods are not.

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We're on the bus, absolutely. And he said, what did God say?
All that will that you seek willgo through me.
It all happens through me. We pray we get the blessings,
OK, because we're connected to God.
We're his hands in some sense, we're his servants.
When in the Orthodox Church, when you die, they say servant
of God. It's like we're serving each

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other. Absolutely.
That's important. That's important.
You know the. And having the direct
experience, the testimony like you, you were talking about, I
have my own unequivocally mind blowing because he appeared to
me in front of a group of peopleinside, right?

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And several of them saw him asked to speak through me.
And the first question I get when I'm telling people this is,
well, how'd you know it was him,man?
You cannot. It was the same sensation that I
had in the white light in my experience as a team, right?
So you know that pureness, you feel it, there's no question.
And here's this being that showsup and I get a there's a ray of

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light from his forehead, one from his heart, connects about
18 inches above me, bathes me inthat effervescent, iridescent
high pitched sensation. And he says, I would like to
speak through you now. What do you do with?
I bawled like a baby. I didn't feel worthy until I
did. And then it's like, OK, I got to

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let go of all this stuff becausehere he is.
I'm not going to lose this opportunity.
No way, right? So I, I release, I take a
breath, I open my mouth. Now the experience right before
this was the facilitator had thegroup act as if Jesus was in our
presence and talked to him, right?
They all had problems. I didn't.

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I, I just blurted out, Hey, yo, dude, glad to have you here.
Let's party, right? I was 31, right?
So what else have I got to say? And then so as he as I open my
mouth to speak, he says no, thatI am with you always.
The second sentence, though, he says this one's fear is great

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talking about me and I had to watch you talk about Willis
moment and that bifurcated my consciousness.
I continue talking to the group and he put.
Me in a sidebar. And the first thing that he says
to me is your fears are the sameas mine were about a humble
right. And then I saw a bunch of

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videos, vignettes if you will, that flashed comparisons,
contrasting all all that kind ofstuff from both of us.
And then I hear a branch break and I open my eyes up and
there's like, there were thirteen of us all together.
Probably 10 of the rest of them were looking at me with mouths
gaping. I had no idea what I said.

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All I could do was hum afterwards.
And they would ask me questions because I didn't want to talk.
I just wanted to bask. Sure, healings.
Sure. I.
Don't think you talk in heaven. I think your communication is
like through waves, like singingor something.
It's or even it's just like evenjust you know, you like I mean,
but those. Kinds of things when you have
that happen and I stick my life on it, right?

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Don't care. And I'm not there to proselytize
or convince. I'm just saying, yo, the dude's
weird. He's not like you think right,
right, more personable. He's and and I know this might
apply roughly your feathers a little bit, but he's not really
a savior. We have that choice and that's.

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What the truth does in my. In my opinion, we missed the
point. We're the one.
He didn't have to die, but he had to die because he needed to
demonstrate the Ascension, whichwas that culminating event that
he shared so that we could all see the bread crumbs, right?

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Hyper dimensional event. Yeah, I understand.
I I he set an example and all I want to do is follow that
example absolutely. Absolutely, and do it in.
Our own unique. Ways We don't have to be
identical, we just have. Like you said.
As you ascend in consciousness, your conscience, yes.

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Also because. It cannot survive at that higher
vibratory state. I completely agree.
And, and the point is, we each have our own separate paths.
Yeah, they're not. It's not one path like a
snowflake. Not one path is ever going to be
the same. And that's but they're all.
Instruments in the orchestra, and hopefully we've tuned our

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bodies well enough that we can. It's not just place we can learn
how to play in harmony. I fully agree.
And God willing, we will. And, and you know, I'm looking
forward to it. I'm excited.
And the more physics I learn, the more excited I get.
Yeah. Oh, man.
Time. 'S flown.
I, I, it got away from Michael. This has been such an amazing

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conversation and pleasure for meto have somebody I can actually
talk to about this kind of stuff.
Well, I, I enjoyed the conversation and, and, you know,
just keep the faith and we're going to get there.
Just, we just have to just love one another, that's all.
Absolutely. Absolutely.
And thank you again, Michael andNamaste and in Lockhatch, and

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thank you for sticking with us for this episode of One World in
a New World. I know you had a great time with
it because I sure did. And we will see you again next
time.