Ep 200 What If We All Lived On One World?

Ep 200 One World in a New World with Anthony NayaganThe Infinite Within: Mysticism, Leadership & Conscious Systems🌌 Where do wisdom, science, and spirit meet? Inside the stillness. 🌌In this milestone 200th episode of One World in a New World, Zen Benefiel dives deep with Anthony Nayagan—minister, mystic, author of Ancient Wisdom and Modern Leadership, and Supreme Realization. With piercing insight and rare authenticity, Anthony shares his lifelong journey from childhood isolation to direct experiences with Jesus, inner transformation, and the creation of conscious systems rooted in divine order—not human effort.Together, they explore how to move beyond external intelligence into the realm of inner wisdom, and how the evolution of consciousness is the next frontier for humanity. If you’ve ever wondered where the soul meets leadership, or how silence can be more powerful than strategy—this episode is for you.💡 What does it mean to truly witness the unmanifest?💡 How can silence give us answers that logic never will?💡 What’s the role of conscious systems in reshaping our future?🎧 Step beyond the surface—into the infinite within.Connect with Anthony: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anthony-nayagan-7a339b118/Supreme Realization: https://amzn.to/4jylH73Ancient Wisdom and Modern Leadership: https://amzn.to/3GvhlyR#MysticalLeadership #SpiritualAwakening #OneWorldPodcast #AnthonyNayagan #InnerWisdom #ConsciousSystems #QuantumConsciousness #StillnessSpeaksPlanetary Citizens: Awakening the Heart of Humanity: https://amzn.to/3YX7at5Join this channel to get access to perks:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuZl_29zHxehqeL89KSCWFA/join_______Connect with Zen: https://linkedin.com/zenbenefielZen's books: https://amazon.com/author/zendorZen's Coaching: https://BeTheDream.com Zen's CV et al: https://zenbenefiel.comThe Octopus Movement (non-linear thinkers): https://theoctopusmovement.org Live and Let Live Global Peace Movement: https://liveandletlive.orgActivation Products: https://bit.ly/btdactivationAssisting in harmony among people and planet: https://planetarycitizens.net

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Thanks. Now this week's guest is
Anthony, the guy in, and he is just an amazing gentleman, A
mystique, if you will. He's got several books that he's

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published to them, in particularour ancient Wisdom and Modern
Leadership, which I know we're going to have some fun talking
about today. And Supreme Realization is
another title. He's a podcaster and also a
minister. So this is going to be great
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Anthony, it is so great to have you.
We've had some interconnectedness on LinkedIn
already. I've been looking forward to
this conversation. Thank you for being here with us
today. Thank.
You please God. In this wonderful life we live

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and, and I know you have a better understanding of it than
most because your inner development, we don't talk about
that. We have two Parsifal eyes and
inside and outside, and these two haven't merged yet.
My hopes are that by bringing conversations that we generally
have inside with ourselves and rarely share with others because

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when we do, we're thought of as being a little weird, crazy,
maybe even insane. And, you know, kind of people
back off. Well, that's no longer necessary
because these are real people have them.
It's OK to talk about them. And we're going to prove that.
So in this wonderful world that you have, Anthony, how did you

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first recognize this seeming disparity between inner and
outer worlds? Or was that something that was
present in your life when you were younger?
I saw that when I was very, veryyoung.
Actually I was four years old and it took me in a direction I

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did not want to go. I wanted to be like every other
kids, you know, I want to have avery normal life like everyone
else since it was pretty much, you know, I was being very
resilient about it. I, you know, and that is how my

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life began. I knew, but.
So was there weird stuff that happened?
What we would what normal peoplemight consider a bit strange,
odd than usual. Yeah, but a bit of it.
But a bit of it because I find myself thinking very differently
than everyone else. I find myself witnessing things

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very different than everyone else.
I found myself not enjoying but every other kids is were
enjoying and so I in many many different ways.
I find myself isolating from everybody else and in the social

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misfit, if I may consider so or.Oh, miscreate, huh?
Yeah, yeah, I can relate to that.
And that's, that's what I was when I was in kindergarten and,
you know, starting out at school, I just did not want to
be what I was. But I felt the calling at that

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time itself, although I denied it then I wanted to have a very,
very normal life, you know, so. I think we all do.
We all want to fit in and feel like we belong.
Yet, you know, I know for me too.
I, I, because of my parental upbringing and, and I was

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exposed to a lot of people and, and different social strata and
I could get along with anybody. I'd had a lot of fun.
I I, my intelligence was high enough that I did well at school
and sports and all that kind of stuff, and yet I still felt like
nobody really knew me. And another thing that I started

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sensing very early on, I would say about 7-8 years old, I found
that religion was letting me down.
I was hoping for all kinds of answers from the religion.
I was grew up as a Catholic by the way, and I expected the
church to lead me in a way that I could better experience Jesus

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in my life. And I found myself.
Those guys were absolutely clueless and ignorant about
Jesus. OK, honestly, I mean, I don't
have a better way of saying it, you know?
And their doctrines were outdated and they have.

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No, you see, knowledge must be based on experience.
See what you memorize to pass anexam, It goes away, but with
what you experience as knowledgestays with you forever.

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You see, unless you experience Jesus in your life, you cannot
talk about knowledge about Christ.
There is no knowledge without experience.
So tell me the experience part. I'll give you one.
Yeah, he actually appeared to mein front of a group of others on

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a spiritual retreat and asked tospeak through me.
Several of them saw him when he did.
I was just overwhelmed. Yeah.
And yet it was real. Yeah, yeah.
And unfortunately, you see, thatis what all of us are meant to
experience. See, Isaiah says the teacher
will no longer hide his face, you know, so it is not a

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surprise that you have seen Jesus.
It shouldn't be a surprise if I say that I have seen Jesus also.
Well, it throws a cog in the wheel when you're dealing with
other Christians that believe init will immediately deny your
own experience. Exactly.
You see, they think it's an intellectual experience or
intellectual interpretation. It's an everything.

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There is no knowledge in intellectual.
Well, there's no intellectualization of it at
all. This is all direct experience.
Religion is about mysteries and experience.
Yeah, well, religion, reunion with God, you know, you know,
you know as well as I do the Vedas presented, right?
We're all divine threads connected to source capable of
God consciousness. Well, what's that mean?

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We're all Co creators. Why?
Because we'd have to learn how to work together to make a
planet whole and each other in the process.
That's the Kingdom. Look, in my opinion, that's just
my opinion, right? Look, we pray almost daily Thy

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Kingdom come on earth as it is available 2000 years.
Where is the Kingdom? See, God created us in his image
and likeness, you know, with quantum entanglement and
connectivity and all of that. It's hard to imagine the

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intelligence that's so you know,and I, I had this question
exactly the same summer that I had that experience with Jesus
1989. My question was where did the
Trinity come from? Right, because it's everywhere.
And I was going through a a facilitated experience, ended up

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being escorted across the universe, came to a three sun
system with a bunch of planets around it.
The three Suns took one voice and said to me, we are not only
your forefathers, we're also theforefathers of your solar
system. And then we came back and I had
all kinds of questions. I realized that, you know, if
that's the mic, the macro, then the micro is probably the

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electron, proton and neutron because that was the smallest
elements we had at the time or thereabouts, right?
But that left hydrogen out. So my question was, OK, where's
hydrogen fit? You know, it's most prevalent
gas in the universe. It powers the sun and it's also
the bonding agent for our DNA Helix.
So is that possible that the third line of that you know,

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would would fill the the consciousness that we have I'm.
Going to tell you something, OK?We as people of dualistic
intelligence, OK External intelligence, we always count on

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sensory experiences. External intelligence, how
everything is ordered and structured and on a time space
kind of an order. Sure.
And it. Seems somewhat linear.
But here is the But here is the thing.
OK, not only Jesus, Krishna, Buddha, even Muhammad.

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OK, they are telling us something different.
They are telling us that religion is about fullness and
fullness in life, and that fullness is not based on
external intelligence, but internal intelligence.
Absolutely. You see, we are trying to figure
out all sorts of things with ourexternal intelligence.

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Fine, so be it. But the fullness of life, it has
to do with your internal intelligence into your system.
And you know, it's possible thatthat all of the external
actually is designed to refocus us back inside.
It's designed to tell us how limited we are.

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Because when you compare external intelligence to
internal intelligence, which is wisdom, what we know is nothing.
It is, it is a waste. It's frivolous.
It doesn't even come close, you know, to relate to what we have
internally. Yeah, it's like the question,
you know, God made us. Who made God?

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Yeah, because we. Already just leave you with,
well, it's got to be something. We.
Don't have the intelligence to understand it.
We have to have that ordered wayof seeing where God as a
molecule going to fit into the system so that we can order him
on the time space kind of an intellectual order and say, OK,

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that is where he's going to fit in.
I mean, see, that is how naive we are when it comes to external
intelligence. You know, one thing I, I say all
the time to my followers, you know, listen, when external

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intelligence speak, it has a lotto say.
When internal intelligence speaks, there's nothing to say.
It's silence. It's still a small voice within
right? It's.
It's in stillness you come to know who you are as the image
and likeness of God in stillness, not in noise.

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And in that too, it seems that, as you know, I mentioned, the
debate is earlier in that infinite intelligence, that we
are cosmic intelligence Incarnate, condensed into form.
We still have that direct connect, that individuated
thread if you will, that has andholds infinite intelligence for

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us individually. It's our direct connect where we
ask questions about ourselves, our purpose, our how we can love
more and and be more because that's direct to us.
That gives us the experience of it, which is not for anybody
else. It's just for us.

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However, by design it seems likethat then is shared with others
that are in a relative harmonic that is close to us that then we
recognize because of that resonance that we have towards

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another. I oh God, it crashed.
No, you're still here. We're good.
Nothing crashed. It was all an.
Illusion. OK, there we go.
All right, I'm going to say something that the, the the

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scientific community is going tobe up announced.
With good. I love disruptors, OK?
You know, we as human beings in external intelligence, we really
don't have a concept of Infinity.
We don't have a concept of 0 either, OK?

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We just cannot relate to what isInfinity and what is 0.
See, Infinity is everything, OK,Zero is nothing, you know?
So in spiritual terms, in terms of wisdom, it is from nothing
you get everything. Exactly, exactly.

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And, and in this, you know, we were talking about Points of
Light and consciousness and things like that.
And we recognize that in the expression of cosmic
consciousness, it's defined as Points of Light that we're
surrounded. Satori, I think is another way
to experience that or another term for it.
Then there's this. OK, what's inside that point of

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light? I mean, it's the void, which is
nothingness, which is where we get everything from.
Yeah, see. I mean, look at one reality.
For the last 2000 years, human mind has created all kinds of
things, all kinds of systems, all kinds of products,

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businesses, dynasties and colonies, and you just name it.
You know, communism, democracy, socialism, whatever you know,
you just name it. Right.
We single one of them came to anend, every single one of them.

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There is nothing on this earth we have that is 2000 years old.
OK, I mean and except the church.
And it's also morphed, right? It's gone from, you know, having
the Bible and everybody you knowconstantly you're going to

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believe or I'm going to kill you.
You know, that kind of manipulation goes on and it
never is. But that institution is lasting.
Other than that, human being is not able to do anything with
their external intelligence. The reason why is when you're
looking at anything that starts from a material order will have

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an end of its materiality. OK.
Material beginnings will now. Do you think that that would
also because what I'm trying to cancel the try, what I'm
investigating is that bridge, right?
And do you think that perhaps referencing the Kardashev scale,

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which type 1 civilization is onethat uses its planetary energy?
Let. Me finish, let me finish please,
before I'd like you to just listen to this for a moment
because I, I had the same things, right?
We have a tendency, as you know,we've got this bias that we want
to project and, and it, it keepsus from listening sometimes.

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So with the, the consciousness that goes along with that type 1
civilization, which would be theenergy of the planet.
So you've got to be aware and connected to the planet.
First of all, a type 2 then usesthe energy of the solar system.
So there's a consciousness involved with that that's yet
again, probably exponentiated. And then there's a tertiary or

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1/3, the type 3 civilization that uses the energy of the
Galaxy. Now, if you consider that along
with that, there is a raising ofconsciousness to encompass the
ability to conceive, let alone act in those realms.
So, you know, you mentioned the zero to Infinity.

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I have a zero to 1. I'm talking about it and being
able to understand this multidimensionality of our
being, our consciousness, and how intricately woven it is and
that we're then that we have access to it.

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We've just limited ourselves because of the belief systems we
carry still. You know, unfortunately this is
one of the weaknesses of writers.
I have that too. In other words, that is, we
think everything has to fit intoan empirical order.

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You see, everything has to follow a 123 sequence or a
bullet form or this is how it needs to be ordered and fitting
in, you know, so that people cancomprehend it.
Sure. Well, that's a linear kind of
trajectory that most of us try to find, but nothing is linear.
I mean, even you and I right now, we're spinning on a planet
that's spinning around the sun, that's spinning around the

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Galaxy, and none of that is linear.
Everything is a potential. Everything is an infinite
potential. That is what quantum physics
tells us. Everything is infinite
potential. Nonetheless, we are reducing
quantum physics only to the material part of it, not the

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energy part of it. We don't want to talk about the
energy part. Tell us where the particles are
sitting. I got into it and I totally
agree with you and I had a conversation with one of
Lawrence Krauss's well known physicist that teaches here at
ASU, had a conversation with hisTA at a science Cafe and
regarding the God participle or the God particle.

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The God participle is one of my books He.
So I asked him, is it possible that instead of this data that
they saw that reflected the decay of a particle, so they
projected all must have been a particle.
Is it possible that that analysis actually revealed a RIP

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in the fabric, a dimensional fabric that was repairing itself
after that subatomic explosion? And he looked at me like a deer
in the headlights, Right. So I've never seen anybody
question that. They all assumed, oh, we found
the particle. We did the Higgs boson now.
And here's a particle that has mass or that doesn't have any

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mass but gives mass to others. OK, something doesn't make sense
about that yet. What might, because you got the
data, you had the experiment is this.
And, you know, the limiting viewpoints that scientists have,
they're going to look, they're going to find what they're

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looking for basically because they've already made the mind up
in their hypothesis of what they're going to find.
Let's do something together thenall.
Right, I'd love to. Let's try to transcend this
empirical mind and get into the realm of wisdom.
Let's go, let's go. Because it's within wisdom.

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None of what you are strongly describing exists because in
wisdom there is no not sure. There is no 123.
There is no time, space, nothing.
Everything is fleeting, you know, Everything operates in
some kind of a speed that is much faster than light.

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Sure it is. Absolutely pure energy and
nothing else. So when you're looking for an
empirical order, an argument, a case, none of that exists.
Only thing that is pure energy OK.
And it's the experience that is the defining nature.

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Again, we are trying to define it, let's not define it.
No, I mean. Definitions.
For me, I misspoke that it's trying to define it.
It's the experience that gives you that understanding beyond
words. It's not experience, it's
silence. It's going beyond the sensory
experience, entering into the silence, which of course,

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stillness of being, OK, stillness.
It's just saying, yeah. And it says in eventually, yoga
is not the moment of mind. It is a cessation of mind that
takes you there. You see, you know, the reasons

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that the reason why the whole world is failing in innovations
and in creations and all of that, they don't come to
realize. They don't even come to think
that creation starts from an unmanifest.
Agreed, Agreed. And that that moment, even a

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micro moment of that stillness, because there is there are
limitless opportunities or potentials in it.
It's like, you know, having a Daydream.
You blink your eyes and you're someplace else and you have a
week's worth of experience and you open your eyes up and you've
only had your eyes closed for a few seconds.

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Yeah, yeah, it's, you know, look, we we get into that kind
of a situations when we are dreaming.
When we are dreaming, our mind is silent, it is sleeping, our

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body is sleeping still, our consciousness is awake.
When our consciousness is awake,we can observe those things you
see here, you know, when we transcend our sensory being,
when we transcend our mindful being and enter into pure

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wisdom, all we see is energy, the unmanifest and evolving as
something. You just stay there and look at
how that evolution is moving. See that you know how that
energy is forming. See how this energy is taking
shape. Enjoy it's freedom, enjoy it's

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vibrance, enjoy it's everything.See.
Then you can come back, bring your mind awake, OK?
Then go over what you witnessed and at that time your
observation could flatten and create orders out of it.
Yes, that's a great. Explanation.

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And there's at least a. Partner with God.
That is how you become a creative partner with God.
You see, Look at what Jesus saidto Philip.
I see what my Father is doing. That's what I do.
If you see me, you have seen my Father.
Why are you questioning me? And then he tells Thomas, don't
you know that ye are God as I amGod?

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Yeah, right. So that gives us that
opportunity, that door if you will, and in this.
In quantum entanglement, we are supposed to see what is going on
for being in silence, in meditation, in transcendence,

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see. The whole objective to it is
that. Every one of us is designed and
hardwired to go there and see what the father is doing.
Yeah. Because we've all got that point
of light. We're all, as I said before,
cosmic consciousness condensed into form.
It's the finding the way back home that we're in the midst of.

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And and it seems that that is well in process coming out of
COVID with the self examination that was available to many who
chose to do so. And now they're looking how to
put their particular skill sets into action toward the greater
good. How that's going to play out, we
don't know yet, because we're still in the process of creating

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this new normal that we have no idea what it's going to be like.
And AI has just blown the lid off of time and the time it
takes to do things on a fairly large scale.
Look, AI is here to stay. AI can replicate everything we
do without external intelligence.

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So what do we do after that? OK, question What?
What do you think we should do? Yeah, shooting on us is not a
not a good thing. What do you think the optimal
perspective of AI would be in order for us to garner the
greater benefit of it? See.

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Look, unless we ignore, I mean unless we embrace that there is
something called internal intelligence.
And if we, if that becomes our next frontier, if not, then we
are doomed even for more disasters.
We will have Alzheimer's and, and, and all kinds of mental

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health problems even at a young age, very young age, because our
mind has has become useless, OK,our mind has become totally
useless even as it is right now.It only uses a fraction of its
capability in external intelligence.
And what if it did? You know, we've got the the
common axiom, right? Is 5% or I'm sorry, 5 senses,

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10% of the brain. Well, what's the other 90%?
Could you have 45 more senses? And what might those be?
You don't know. See, we don't.
I I. Would.
Say yes, we don't know, but I think we have an indication of
some of them, the clairols beingevidence, right, clairaudience,
Clair sentience, clairvoyance and and all of those because
it's a next level of inner sensitivity to that quantum

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entanglement that we have naturally.
You see, internal intelligence, it needs our mind.
Internal intelligence, it needs our mind.
Listen to this. The reason why is whatever the
internal intelligence witnesses,we need to flatten it.

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We need to put this into an order, and that order must be
done through synthesis of our mind.
Our mind is capable of synthesizing before engineering
it. You see right now that synthesis
is very, very relevant. So our mind, our external
intelligence must be used to synthesize what we witness in

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internally patterns, synthesize and then build.
See, that is how productive we have to be, have to become.
And if that happens, then the Kingdom of God will come alive
on this earth. One might.
Call that flow. Flow OK.

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Right. You remember Mchaley?
She sent me Haley's book below The Psychology of Optimal
Experience. You know, this is actually what
he's talking about. Like a jazz quartet that's
jamming. And they just jump in and and
they all seem to have this beautiful conversation without
having to think or do anything because they're so in tune with
each other. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
See, this is the reason why actually I have a little

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surprise. I am conducting the seminar not
this week, next week on the 23rd, and the seminar is on
cosmic systems, not cosmic conscious systems.
How do we develop conscious systems?
OK, I know this is our materialsin Evergreen and I'm not sure

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that date's going to matter, butit's nice to know.
Yeah, conscious systems are possible.
You see, we have to develop conscious systems that can
sustain itself, not system we create that has a an exit
strategy. OK, it's not there.
Absolutely. And and, you know, doesn't this
make sense though? It just makes sense that we've

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got all this understanding. We can look at what's been
happening. We can pretty much see where we
need to go as far as, you know, developing.
Maybe not, let's say an administration, a planetary
administration that images resources for everyone so that
we all get what we need and thatthere's No Fear, there's no

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famine, there's no poverty at any of those things.
We could all we could wipe it out in a matter of years because
we have the resources to do so. Yeah.
And we think we have the resources externally.
That's where we are going wrong.We have the resources
internally, OK. Well, we haven't got the
internal right. We can't get out of our own ways

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yet in order to advance to that level.
But we have to do that. We have to do that.
I mean, if we ignore this calling, you know, if we ignore
this paradigm, we are going to have dementia and we are going
to have Alzheimer's. We are going to have, you know,
all of those kind of mental disorders, even as young as 20s.

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The DSM is going to get thicker and we're going to have more.
Yeah, yeah. We are going to become so
useless, you know, as human beings, the that is the
inevitable catastrophe we are looking at.
We think that's why this neurodiversity and the DEI

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programs and things like that now are, are coming more to the
forefront because we've been ignorant to the advantages of
the neurodiversity. Instead of putting people in
boxes and put it in, shoving them to the fringes because we
don't understand them, maybe there's some things there that
they see that we don't that might be helpful.

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Yeah, again we are looking for answers externally.
Right. Let's see, that is where we we
just keep going back to the external intelligence looking
for answers. Now let me ask you this too.
So in the looking right or the experience, there's from my

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experience, there's the participant, the observer, and
then the will or the wise one that's watching, right, supplies
the the questions or the the insights or the the data drops,
if you will. You know, I see God as the giver
of data, right? So it's just what we do with it

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that matters or not, you know, are there?
Do you find those things too in your own experience that
there's, you know, when you're fully participated?
You may not because of the advanced nature that you have.
And you know, from our conversations, I'm aware of that
at some point, though. Did you experience that

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trinitized view? If you will, the the
participant, the observer and then the the larger perspective
that feeds them both. Trinity makes sense when you're
looking at an order OK that is external.

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Well, this one was internal because there were different
perspectives that had held in. Different internally, we are
looking at an order. Does order exist internally?
Yes it does. Absolutely.
We may not understand it, but chaos is just order that we
haven't seen the patterns in yet.
Yeah. So it's not that.

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I mean, we need to transcend beyond that kind of an order to
really see who God is. See, when we see God as pure
energy, pure consciousness, OK, Column three, column 300 or
column 3000, why it has to be 3 really doesn't matter.
The Goddess of an infinite nature, infinite form of

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conscious energy, OK, So you want to kind of slice him up and
put make him into three. I mean, that's what we want to
do as human minds, right? See.
But when we. I wonder if it's infinite or
just eternal, and that in that understanding of consciousness

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and capacity for creation that it too may have its limits.
Eternity is infinite, you see. That's what eternity is.
True, and yet there something can be ubiquitous, infinite and

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yet still have boundaries in that infinite calibration, if
you will. And, and perhaps I'm still
wrestling with this. So my thoughts may not be
coherent or not because I'm asking questions just like you
are, right? And, and sometimes we don't get
a chance to ask them until we have someone of the level of

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consciousness that could even understand them right, let alone
respond. See consciousness, you know when
we talk about consciousness we always think it has to do with
the psychological mindfulness. It is not OK.
It really is not. Consciousness really is what in
science we call that is a quantum field.

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See quantum field exist within us.
Quantum field exist away from us.
Well, we are nodes in it becauseit's everywhere.
We're just and we're not even physical beings, truth be known,
right? There's more space between our
particles, not. We consider ourselves as energy.

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See, energy is something that isvery, very infinite.
You know, we cannot partition them.
We cannot do anything like that as we always strive to do that.
You know, we want to partition them.
We want to kind of fragment them.
We want to put them contain and we need to narrow them down and
and do all sorts of crazy thingswith energy.
But energy actually isn't of an infinite nature.

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You see, it really is an infinite nature.
It is something. Well, this is what Tesla tried
to share with us too from. Yeah, yeah, it is, It is.
And and it's not only that, you know, an energy cannot be
appreciated unless you really recognize it's incredible enough
freedom. OK, it's it's incredible enough

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freedom and, and, and unless youreally relax and observe or
watch in, it's total enough freedom.
Actually, your consciousness is so powerful you can flatten it,
you see. So you really need to move away
from that flattening consciousness, your
psychological consciousness, right, And be a part of.

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No flat Landers here. There is no Flat Earth, right?
Yeah, yeah. So you need to become, you need
really need to become as free asthe universal consciousness.
Yeah, OK. Because your psychological
consciousness is is very unique.Very unique.
When you're able to do that, would you say that what emerges

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when you are able to be there are the bread crumbs of your own
development? And I call it the perfected
form, fit and function in the world by design, because we had
that solar frequency as well as genetic code of which we have

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certain, reluctant to call them,predisposition, that there are
certain things that we have thathave come along from our
history. And then there's the frequency
that we carry that is individuated, that ignites that
history. And the consciousness gives us

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the ability of adjusting it to find more harmony and resonance.
See, we are talking about external factors and and we are
trying to synthesize external factors and.

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Hopefully we're we're bridging that inner experience with an
outer understanding that then can bring the two together as
one. You know what's what of an
Earth, right? Yeah, that is where we are
beginning to pollute. You see the inner experience

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that, in other words, the experience you feel as you
witness. Ah.
Unmanifest. It's not odd.
Let's not define that. You're witnessing the
unmanifest, you know you are witnessing that primordial void.
That's what you're doing and you're seeing the energy in it

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and you're witnessing that. That's a very unique purity.
Absolutely, and it brings with us a certain sense.
And, and The thing is, the more we try to equate that with what
is external, see, then we are actually corrupting, polluting
what we are about witnessing. See witness.

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You know, for somebody who witnessed anything at all.
Truth is always evolving. See someone who is observing.
Personal truth, yeah. See, truth is factual, you know,
truth is ordered. Truth is something that is
really manifested in a reality. Sure, and there's layers of it
depending on your ability to comprehend it.

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Yeah, yeah. Which is, which is external
intelligence. Yeah.
You know, in, in, in when you'rewitnessing something you're
witnessing with your internal intelligence.
See there you are not polluting what you witnessed with what you
already know. You know, with your with your
perceptive intelligence. But there's still that, that it

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would seem anyway that balancingact internally, maybe not a
balancing act, but a synthesizing right, a synthesis
and an evaluation of bringing forth a greater understanding.
Look, this is maybe you're failing.
You see, for us, when you witness something, it is not a

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sensory thing. Your sensory experiences are
silenced. Your mind is silenced.
Your witness becomes a pure witness.
I'm not talking to you necessarily about the mind.
I'm talking about the being right.
Because your mind's only one thing.
Your body is a transceiver. Yes, it's attached to the mind.
However, there's sensations thatthat we have and, and most of us

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live from the shoulders up. We have no idea what's going on
in our bodies, and yet those twoare connected.
Look, witnessing without sensorily being involved in it,
it is a miraculous gift you have.

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OK, I'll give you one example. See, a true orgasm is not
sensory. You know your sensory experience
is silenced the minute it becomes active.
Then the actual the the the the experience of it.
It becomes diluted. You see, true orgasm is a

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conscious experience. If it's transcendent.
It's a transcendent experience of your mind and your body.
See, it is it? It is in that experience a man
and a woman become one. Sure.
Well, I think we can have that experience in our personal
lives. Yes, because God created us to

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experience that is a God createdman and woman so that they can
unite and become one consciousness, not one body.
OK. And that happens during that,
that conscious, you know that conscious experience where our
body and mind are transcended. That is when we get the true

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experience of it. The minute there's.
Also a term the the twin flames,right?
I heard this term, gosh, when 20-30, maybe 40 years ago,
always wondered about it, wondered if it was possible to
have that pure twin. That's the other half of you in
for me, it would be in the feminine form, you know, for a

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woman who would be in the masterfeminine form.
And when I met my wife at her Kundalini yoga teaching
graduation, it there was a recognition that we both had
instantly and as our lives evolved together, the layers
that we peel, that we peeled back, the litany of the

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identifying factors that indicate potential of a twin
plane relationship, they were all there and then some.
So and it got, it's gotten to the point now where we barely
have to speak. And when we do, we're not sure
which one's actually speaking. Again, intellectual minds want

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to know empirically how that works.
OK, it doesn't work according toour external intelligence.
Not at all. In pure consciousness it works
and. Well, that's where the total
love is. The total love trust you when
you submit. I was, yes.
When you submit yourself to another completely fearlessly,

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that's where the pure love that has No Fear is.
In a conscious embodiment, yes it happens.
Yes, it happens. See in in Hinduism they call
that Atana dishwara, you know, which means that you have both
man and one form. See that realization will come
to fruition in when you are in absolute wisdom.

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Now where's the Shabda? Come into that?
The Shabda. What's that, Nisabda?
Shabda the sound current. I don't understand what you're
saying, Maybe I'm not. Understanding Hindu.
It's Shabda. Spell it for me.
SHABDA. Shabda.

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Right, because there's a frequency.
Shabda. High pitched frequency.
I was telling that was talking about before we came on.
You know, there's that sensationthat when you're in that silent
connected place. See, the only thing I can
illustrate it with is referencedin the Shabda, right?

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The combination of all the frequencies and that's what
you're able to hear. It is a very.
High pitched transmission is notonly the frequencies, it's the
vibration of the cosmic sound. That's what Shabda is.
Yeah. The vibration of the cosmic
sound, yeah, you know, and yeah,that that's the basis of
everything. That's a good light and.

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What do you, what do you do whenyou hear that all the time,
right? When I have my experience as a
team, that was the the referencethat I gave, right?
The effervescent, iridescent, high pitched sensation, right?
Because every time you go there,whenever I'm quiet, even when
I'm talking sometimes if becauseI'm able to focus attention,
right, I'm aware of. That you really want to know the

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answer to that I'm. Is there?
I don't know, it's just an awareness.
There is, there is, actually. If you're hearing that all the
time, that means you have transcended that itself.
That's really what it means. Oh.
Wow. Well according to that
experience, I gave my life up tono truth and then came back in

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body with the awareness that we're all cosmic consciousness
condensed into form, just unaware.
So we are all eternal beings. I just happen to have a heads up
on it. There is so much energy going on
inside of us, outside of us. We don't see it, OK, But that is
the true reality of our being. It's not our body.

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It is a true reality of our eternal being.
OK. And when the it's?
Just ways to experience what we've created.
Yeah. And when that energy is in
constant motion, don't you thinkit's generating some kind of a
shabda? It is, you see.

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Yeah. That really means that you have
witnessed yourself as pure energy and pure consciousness.
So that means you're transcendeddeath.
OK? That's really what it is.
I mean, you really have gone farfrom it, OK.
That I know it's hard to share that sometimes without getting a

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raised eyebrow. Yet there's thousands, millions
of near death experiences. I haven't found one of them to
be reflective of the kind that Ihad because most of those are
produced by trauma of some kind.What do we do with that?
How do we build upon that so that it is more pure, shareable

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energy as opposed to constrictedand separative where the world's
at right now? Look, we have a choice, OK?

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We can live a limited Life, OK, considering ourselves as limited
beings and just go on, OK, go onthe cycle.
And that's OK. Yeah, that's OK.
We can do it for thousands of years anyway, you know, So there

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is nothing changes there. That's what it is, OK.
On the other hand, Jesus died torestore in US the fullness of
life. Remember that fullness of life,
Fullness of life means external intelligence and internal

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intelligence. And he said again and again
emphatically, you know your lifeis inside of you, wisdom is
inside of you, your life, and the wisdom is going to teach you
everything. He even said to the Samaritan
woman, You know it is your spirit and the wisdom it reveals
to you. That is how you're going to

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worship God and the hour is coming.
It is going to happen, right? The 2000 years it hasn't
because. When he went, you know, for the
40 days he travelled the world and appeared to many people,
many places came back and then obviously, yeah, oh, gosh, guess
what else you guys can do? You can take your bodies with

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you. Yeah.
And travel. But The thing is, you see.
Did Jesus? Was Jesus the only one who said
that? No.
The all the avatars, all the prophets who came to this world,

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they came to deliver humanity from their bondage of external
intelligence. Limitation.
Limitations, OK, That is what they came to deliver them from.
We are still holding on to it. The caretakers of the legacies
of Krishna, of Buddha, of Christand everybody.

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What they did, they created institutional religions that
took away the inner freedom, that took away the fullness of
life and the hope for the fullness of life in mankind, in
humanity. And they hold them, and they
institutionalized them and they.Couldn't understand it.
And so that's the only way that you know they're.
Yeah. Because they were.

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Oh. Wow, this is great.
Let's let's put it into a book, a program, a process, a
prescriptive notion. You know that.
Let's not forget to test the people on it.
The miracle of all miracles. You see, the apostles of Jesus,
they realised their fullness of being the the caretakers who
took over from them. None of them raced to the

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legendary status of his apostlesof Jesus itself.
They just became caretakers of the philosophies.
And all the caretakers they did was they tried to kind of, you
know, manage their interpretation of their
philosophy, you know, in a way that it that it kind of

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intellectually and empirically fits into an external
intelligence. You know, as far as internal
intelligence is concerned. Yeah, that'll happen.
And that's just with this world.That's what with this world.
So we have. And there are that there are
others who may be, may or may not be far advanced, however

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they appear to be with their ability to go through space and
time in the way that they do. And you know, there's many
experiences. Out there kind of misguided
religious interpretations. It exists in all religions.
It exists in absolutely in all religions.
Even in Hinduism it does. In Buddhism it does well.

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We try to take that infinite andmake it finite.
Yeah. And we all do that, you know,
and we kind of invent philosophies and we think, well,
our philosophies are the doctrines, see, and that's how
we have been doing things for the last 2000 years.

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The tragedy is we are not the fullness of beings that Jesus
died, that Krishna came to destroy, you know, to to
establish in US. Buddha came to, you know,
vehemently preach to us, you know, get into that fullness of
being. We didn't.

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Well, and it's, you know, I think maybe we've gotten tired
of the preaching and the proselytizing when it's just an
invitation. It's actually we don't think.
I mean, for some reason we are so immune to thinking that God
and religion is supposed to giveus real encounters, real

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experiences. He.
Does, but we have to we have to fully, you know, as we were
talking before, you have to giveyour life to it.
You have to commit that deeply. And gosh, you know, the C word
is the C word still right? Commit.
Oh my God, you know. No, it is true, but I tell you

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something, the C word that I like to use at least be curious.
Yes, that's the perfect one, right?
Yeah, and that is AC word I liketo use.
Be curious. You see, curiosity is something
that can take you places. Oh, OK, that continues.
So many places, you know, I've been accused of being radically

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curious because I ask questions that nobody else asks and they
just seem ripe, you know, they're like, they're hanging
fruits. Like, gosh, doesn't anybody else
see these questions here? Well, am I the only one that can
see it when you you know and askthem That's you know it really.
It launches into some great discussions, sometimes after
people you know find themselves again.

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Yeah, you know. Certain questions you can ask of
people that just stop them in their tracks because it
questions their entire belief system.
It's one of the analogies I use all the time, and that is to
compare external intelligence towhat we have inside.
See, before we we even turned 2 years old, we knew how to speak

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a language. We didn't know grammar, we
didn't know alphabets, we didn'tknow you know, vocabularies.
We knew nothing. The nobody told us any of those
things, but we knew the you knowthe way to do that.
Now we have grown up. Now we know the technicalities
of learning a language. Tell me how long it takes for

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you to learn a second language. You say it is something you did
as an infant by the time you were two years old.
See. And that is the difference
between what your internal intelligence can teach you and
what you are so caught up in theexternal intelligence, OK?
All it requires, and this is notwhat I say, this is not what

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Anthony Nyagin is telling you. This is what Jesus said.
If you have the mind of a child,you will get it.
Well, he says, be they like yourlittle children, yeah.
Just the little children, you will get it.
You get all the wisdom in the world.
And the Kingdom? Well, they're in.
They're in the corruption, the curiosity, right?

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How tell? Me show all about.
That in that age, it's not curious, yeah.
Oh, it all begins with the curiosity of a child.
Yeah, ever curious, mind? Yeah, there's No Fear there.
There's just curiosity, you know, What's this?
What's that? Either going to touch this or it
burns. That's not going to touch that
again, right? It's it is that curious mind.

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And when you have the curiosity,you will not only have all the
wisdom on earth. OK, that is one.
The second thing is the Kingdom will come on earth as it is in
heaven, because those who have the mind of the child will
inherit the Kingdom of God. That is according to Jesus.
It's kind of that. I see it in a way that as the

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marriage of heaven and earth, right?
The consciousness is heaven, theearth is who we are.
Every cell in our body is made from Earth.
Yeah, well, Earth is also consciousness.
I mean, look, we are consciousness inside, you know,
See. Everything is the bridge, right?
Every particle and subatomic particles in our being OK is

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encapsulated with conscious energy.
Encapsulated with conscious energy.
You know, even at a higher level, we are an embodiment of
about 70 trillion cells. Can you imagine the encapsulated
consciousness in our system, in our body itself?
Oh, absolutely. That's why I was talking about
this. Sensory right with our body is
our transceivers. They're able to.

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Yeah. Navigate when we, you know, I
see our body as an instrument. Whether we learn how to tune
them or not is up to us In in order to play in concert with
others, we got to be in pretty good tune.
Otherwise we're going to have kerfuffles, we're going to have
arguments at work or we're goingto not get along with our spouse
or, or you know, it's all about us and we'd like to push it off

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on others saying it's about them.
Well, no, it's your ability to navigate in your own self love
and just share that with another.
Exactly, exactly, exactly. Unless you love yourself, there
is no emancipation, you know, And in order for you to love
yourself, you need to have knowledge about yourself.

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Without self knowledge, there isno self realization.
OK. Self knowledge is key to self
realization. Oh.
Absolutely. Now, what do you think?
Yeah. Do I want to get into the
Platonic being? You know, the Greek word Satan
is where we get our word Satan from.
From my research, it means thinker, right?

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So we're all Platonic by nature.We're all thinkers.
How do you think that we can rise above those?
Let me ask a better question. What do you see as evidence in
the world today of this capacitythat we have to rise above our

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limiting human cells? Number one, we need to realize
everything is a mystery, not factual.
Every witness there is, it's a mystery that's always moving OK,

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and the only way you can come towitness it is when you are in
search of mysteries, not when you are in search of facts.
Well, even that scripturally we're told to seek the mysteries
of God. Seek the mysteries of God.
So consider everything as a mystery.
See, even when you're observing A particle, when you're looking

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at a particle, a particle is encapsulated with with quantum
field, go off to the quantum field because that's what makes
everything happen, not the not not the particle.
See, when we have a mind that develops into observing the
quantum field, you see, then we are becoming all together at

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different creatures. See, when we are obsessed with
the particle, then that's different, you see.
Well, when we turn the waves into particles through our
observations, is it possible that we can manage that better
by or through our awareness? Are you talking about particles
or are you talking about the quantum field?

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Well, both, because in that quantum field, right, there's
this, the observer has an effecton the experiment.
Right, the particle can be anything you want to be as long
as you are have full awareness of the field that encapsulates
it. You can even alter the the alter
the particle you know to that extent your mind is powerful.

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The reason I'm asking that is that I I Paul I had an
experience of necromancy one night where IA friend of mine
appeared to the end of the bed after I asked if I could talk to
him and I and I said Jesus but be your will, your will be done.
Can I talk to Steve? And it's my friend he died in a
motorcycle accident 3 weeks before.
But he appeared at the end of the bed and I asked, I said am I

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projecting you? I know how powerful my mind can
be. Am I projecting your image there
or are you really there? About that time, the end of the
bed moved and he had his foot onthe edge of the bed sitting, you
know, like this and smiling at me.
He says, how's that right? What?
What can you do then, except just accept the reality of
what's happening now? In that, do we hold ourselves

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back because we're afraid of what we might see not only
within ourselves, but in the world itself as a result?
Look, I'm going to tell you whatJesus kept on telling you again
and again and again and again. Don't be afraid.

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Have No Fear. Don't be afraid.
Because the minute you start to fear, truth becomes elusive,
love becomes elusive, your faithbecomes elusive, you know, your
trust becomes elusive. Everything goes away, OK?
Don't fear, don't be afraid, don't be afraid even of God, OK?

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You know, and when you have these kind of income.
Well, I get that. I I totally would.
You know, our audience is is going to go but, but, but, but,
but but yeah, you know. Yeah, I mean the the more you
fear the the disaster happens immediately.
You are just moving away from love.
Sure. Now here's another question and
I totally agree. Love Is All there is.

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That's the energy. Yeah, but if you're wait, it's
going to dispel love. Well, you're not going to give a
problem to it because you're constricted.
If you fear, it's like the cortisol, right?
When when you have fear, the cortisol injects into your body
and it closes your system. You're not available.
Yeah, that's what happens. Exactly.

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Oh gosh, there was a question I was going to ask that went off
on another change and, and it eluded me for a moment, had to
do with, with the energy of loveand, and being able to acquiesce
to that in our daily lives on a regular basis and be able to

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move through those fears. What are some of the things that
you can suggest that a person may do to test this?
Because it loves to be tested, right?
It refers itself through every time it gets 100 on the test,
regardless of whether you know what our perspective is.

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So how would we test that? What might we do on a real
practical level, on a daily basis that would assist that
synergistic display? See, that mystery is answered in
an incidence in the Bible, in inthe Gospel.

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That is Peter's walk on the water, See, and Peter was
walking on the water. He was pure consciousness.
He was not matter. Matter will sink, OK?
Matter is subject to gravitational pull.
See that When you are pure consciousness, gravity is doing

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nothing to you, OK. You know, So he was able to walk
on the water. OK.
So he was in the form of pure consciousness.
What happens? You know, he's a fisherman.
He knows the thing that you do about water.
He knows that. You know, he's fully aware of
people drowning. He becomes a matter all of a

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sudden, and then he drowns. See.
True now. And.
Yeah. So let's bring it down because
in the reality of this world, there are those that have the
daily jobs and and are in these regimens of life, if you will,

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that somewhat. Let me finish.
And still so I'm trying to give them some Nuggets that they.
When I finish what I was trying to say, you will get the answer
to that, you know. I'm aware of the answer.
I'm trying to pull it out so that we can share it with others
in a way, in another voice otherthan my own.

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The reasoning is actually the answer is in the reaction of
Jesus. What did Jesus say ye of little
faith? See what did Jesus say?
Think about what did he say ye of little faith?
So what I'm hearing you say is that faith in yourself to do

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whatever it is that is put in front of you.
Hate that you are a conscious being.
Conscious being, not a matter. As long as you are a conscious
being, you can walk on the water.
Yeah, we're talking about multiple, you know, years of
experience in developing too. Yes, it can happen in the blink

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of an eye. Agreed.
However, most of this self development process is
incremental. So on a basic level, what could
a person who is in a daily churning and burning, if you
will, what can they do to step onto this path and and find some

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solace in in the practice of something on a daily, daily
basis? That is a great question and the
answer is actually straightforward.
OK, but it you know, it requiresa lot.
Now. You need to become very curious,
you know, to realize your own consciousness, the conscious

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being that you are, not the matter.
OK. I don't mind, it doesn't matter.
Yes, you have to become very curious about it.
You see then in your curiosity, understand one thing.
The answer is not an empirical intelligence answer is not out
there. The answer is within you.

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So start to seek within you. You need, you don't need to go
on a long journey. You know, you don't need to go
on all those, you know, long walks and you know, move from
one ashram to the other to the other ashram.
You don't need to do any of that.
What is it? Bhakti yoga?
That's walking meditation, right?
You can do it at work. You just have to be quiet to

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have that resident thought on your mind as a question, the
curious question, and just be with it.
Stay with him and just go inside.
Yeah, when you are inside, see, it is very hard.
See to transcend your mind and be awake, Your body will

(01:09:11):
immediately interpret that as you're going to go to sleep.
Say what I tell everybody is OK.Are you starting out fine?
Have a few few pillows around you OK, you know, at least start
if your body is saying you're sleeping, go to sleep, OK,
because. Usually what happens initially,
yeah, because it's like being ina positive vortex that puts you

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to sleep. Just go to sleep.
God does wonderful things to youwhen you're sleeping, you know,
So you are not without hope whenyou're sleeping.
Go to sleep. But we don't want to be a
sleeping prophet. We want to be awake when.
OK, what you do is you stay awake seconds at a time.
Today, try to stay awake, be mentally sleeping, bodily

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transcended, mentally transcended.
Stay awake for two seconds. Try tomorrow for five seconds,
try the next day for 10 seconds.Just increase seconds at a time.
Then you can actually, it's not.They turn into hours.
They can even turn into 24 hours.

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You are in that state. That's the state of Nirvana, you
know, state of samadhi, state ofthat is where you.
That's not just the name of a band.
Yeah, that's that's it's, it's actually the state of Shabta.
That is when you hear that cosmic sound all the time
because you're witnessing yourself as an energy.

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And it's not tinnitus. No, no, no, not at all.
And it happens. It really happens.
And it is. Oh, I, I'm living proof of it,
you know, whether you believe meor not, because you're not
inside my body and nobody else is.
You know, it's like Jesus said, you know, don't judge or
criticize unless you can walk intheir shoes.

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Well, you can't fit in their body.
They've got a body already. It's occupied.
Leave it alone. Yeah, what's wrong with my?
So in this, this is just been anamazing conversation and it's
everything I dreamed of and moreand I hope it was that way for

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you too. I mean, this is really a
wonderful exchange. It, it really is, you know, I
mean, see, I come across all kinds of people, but people who
have true mystical inclinations,they are few and far between,

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you know? I'd like to increase that.
Yeah, in, in, in among the the so-called Mystics, there are
really too many impostors, you know, and it's it's sad.
It really is sad because you see, it is one of those things

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that was actually started by Indian gurus and swamijis, you
know, who actually packaged spirituality as a kind of a
mindful, you know, sort of sort of a oh, it's.
A profit center. Yeah, so it turned out to be,
you know, they can go after the low hanging fruits and they can,
you know, they can make a lot ofmoney.

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And so they have packaged the yoga, they have packaged
meditation, they have packaged spirituality, they have packaged
everything. Yes, I'm minded.
I I totally agree with you. And there's a flip side of it.
You know, people are getting what they need, they're paying
for it. They're they're working in the
existing system that they're aware of and incrementally being

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able to transcend from that, even though it it from that from
your perspective, it's profit over people and planet as
opposed to people and planet over profit, which is the new
normal that we're attempting to get to.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the that's the way it's
supposed to be, you see? You know, I mean, come on, You

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see, Jesus did not collect tilings from everybody, OK?
Yet he was not poor, you know, he had a very operational,
functional thing going on, you know, ministry council.
Yeah, he had the God Corp going on.
Yeah, he had it, you know, but he was not collecting from

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everybody. You know, give me I think 10% of
your income that he did not do. No, he asked for those that
could. Even that he did not, he
actually gave everything to them.
Of course he kind of you know, the benefactors came in all and
in in doing. Really, you know, bottom line,
well, it was the disciples that said, hey, can you and say,

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well, yeah, sure. I want to support that energy
and it's the desire, I think when that for lack of better
purity, when that authentic energy is present, there's a
desire to either be part of and or serve it.

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Yeah. Not as a servant, as a fellow
traveler. Yeah.
So. See, Jesus emphasized servant

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leadership. Leaders get paid, servants
don't. OK.
And now it's possible that we can flip that into the servant
leadership because of the, the framework that we're in and the

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systems that are in place that have simply been mismanaged up
until now. And that there is this trend
that's happening, especially with servant leadership.
You know, I can remember in the 80s, I got into interpersonal

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skills classes instituted in an aerospace company.
And I, man, I went to, I went through all kinds of stuff,
including being shunned by the entire department when I brought
it up initially. Yeah.
And and yet, you know, after I left the company, it took them 4
1/2 years to institute it. It, it happened.

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Now there's emotional intelligence, which is what that
was then. We just didn't call it that.
Now that emotional intelligence has evolved into servant
leadership, because it's the people that matter, not the
product. Yeah.
Or the service you got to have. You're serving the team, you're

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you're making sure that everyonearound you has what they need,
is nourished in whatever way is necessary in part of.
That leadership is not really a beatitude.
Serving leadership is the way tohave a system in your company in

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which all of the elements in thecompany draws from the leader.
See, when you're looking at a tree, tree doesn't pump
nutrients into the branches, into the leaves, into the
flowers. It doesn't.
All of these elements draws fromthe tree, and it draws from the

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soil. It draws from the sand.
You see, everything is drawing, you know, from the source.
See that is really what natural intelligence is.
Withdraw from the source. Man invented pumping energy.
The pumping is a man made idea. It isn't natural system.

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The elements it draws from the source close.
Yeah, close. There's no push or pull.
Yes, Yeah. And that happens ubiquitously in
every energetic field when you know that it's in heart.
That's exactly how it works. So you create an establishment,
you create a system where the leader, everybody draws from the
leader. See, it is not the other way

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around. The leader doesn't walk around
pumping things into that. No, that's what I'm talking.
About the leader pays attention to what's necessary and allows
things to flow through them to the others.
Yeah, and. Is that is what servant
leadership is in an ordered progression?
Yeah. The attitude and emotional

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intelligence and order, all of that that is secondary to it in
an ordered progression. Imitate a natural system.
See where the trees they have toserve.
I mean, we all be trees, Anthony, right?
Right. And have our roots deep.

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Wow, this has been just amazing.Earth is good to serve, not to
take, but He is there to serve, not to take.
You see everything in there to serve, so that is how it
evolves. Imitate the natural system in
your organizations. And in life, you know, it's

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everything that is natural. It is a natural order that we
are learning to perceive to begin with, and our perspective
changes so that we can see it larger and embrace it then and
bring it into our own lives. This is actually the concept of
my conscious systems. Conscious systems involves, you
know, the kind of servant leader, you know, phenomenon

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incorporated in a strategic way.See, that's what it is and
that's. Awesome, you know, and that will
those are the kinds of things that are necessary that that
things like you know, your books, my books, others books.
We are. There are others like us who are
doing this same thing their way and building this resonant

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field. I kind of call it the
thoughtmosphere, right? From which that then can feed
others who are curious. Yes, absolutely.
Thank you for your curiosity, Anthony.
It it's LED us to here and now and I appreciate the time and

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space you've shared and the insight and wisdom that you have
hold and freely share with others.
It's spectacular. Thank you very much, God.
Bless. God bless.
Namaste and Namaste and in La Ketch and thank you for sticking
with us for this episode of One World in a new world.
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