Ep 201 Rattled Awake: Rising Through the Fire Like a Phoenix

Ep 201 One World in New World with Lonnee Rey🌟 What if the very moment you tried to give up… was the one where your soul chose to rise? 🌟Join author Lonnee Rey as she discusses her journey of creative resilience and intuitive writing in "Rattled Awake: Rising Through the Fire." Discover the power of conscious collaboration and how collaborative books can ignite your creativity.In this unforgettable episode of One World in a New World, Zen Benefiel sits down with Lonnee Rey—author, publisher, wordsmith, and divine spark of resilience. From near-death experiences and unthinkable trauma to a miraculous awakening and divine purpose, Lonnee’s journey isn’t just raw—it’s revolutionary.She shares how deep despair cracked open the door to cosmic guidance, creative rebirth, and the founding of Rattled Awake, a book series empowering others to share their stories of survival, transformation, and truth. Lonnee embodies what it means to rise with grace, lead with compassion, and live with fierce authenticity.🌀 Can heartbreak reveal your life’s true calling?🌀 How do we shift from “almost gone” to “fully alive”?🌀 What happens when we say YES to the mystery?🗝️ This episode is for every soul who's ever felt shaken, silenced, or on the edge—only to rise, awakened.Connect with Lonnee: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lonnee/Lonnee's Author Page: https://amzn.to/3Z46fah#LonneeRey #OneWorldPodcast #RattledAwake #SpiritualResilience #DivineGuidance #HealingThroughStory #RiseUp #AuthenticVoices #CreativeCourageJoin this channel to get access to perks:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuZl_29zHxehqeL89KSCWFA/join_______Assisting in harmony among people and planet: https://planetarycitizens.netConnect with Zen: https://linkedin.com/zenbenefielZen's books: https://amazon.com/author/zendorZen's Coaching: https://BeTheDream.com Zen's CV et al: https://zenbenefiel.comThe Octopus Movement (non-linear thinkers): https://theoctopusmovement.org Live and Let Live Global Peace Movement: https://liveandletlive.orgActivation Products: https://bit.ly/btdactivation

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Now this week's guest is Lonnie Rae.
She is author or publisher of a series of books called Rattle
Awake, which is how I first camein contact with her actually was
through LinkedIn and it led to this this particular one's a

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podcaster's edition. And I really had a great time
working with her in the in providing my piece.
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Lonnie, it is such a great, exciting time for me to have
you. We we've had so many
conversations and grown to know each other.
This is going to be wonderful. Thank you for joining us.

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Thank you for having me. It was a great invitation.
I was like, yay, let's do this. Well, you know, we've been
circling around each other in various forms and, and worlds
during this process. And, and so now we're going to
be able to explore those becauseas you know, we're working on
exploring those inner and outer realities, how they merge, how
they can be synergized, hybridized, whatever it takes.

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Because we're usually bereft of having those inner conversations
with others openly because of the vulnerability level.
It's just too much. And often times that's relative
because we're often seen as odd,weird, insane, you know, all
those kinds of things. And we're given the stiff arm
and nobody wants to talk to us or at that level anyway.

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So that kind of creates this natural, it would seem anyway, a
natural self deprecating perspective.
Well, you know, we got 70,000 thoughts a day.
Three fours of them are probablyself deprecating if you want to
really examine how you think about yourself.
We're up to changing that as theworld is changing, and we need

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to incorporate our inner lives with our outer lives in order to
have a whole life. So thanks for joining us to do
that, Lonnie, because I know you're going to have some really
interesting things. And Speaking of those
interesting things, how did it first begin with you?
I know you've had a very interesting journey in life.

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When did you first recognize theinterconnectedness?
Interesting that it was on a journey.
I was a little kid. We just moved from South from
Jersey to South Florida and I was able to fly by myself and I
love flying and so I was going up to visit.
Now this is in an actual plane, not out of body, right?

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OK. Correct.
Yes. We need to differentiate that
with these conversations, right?Good point to make yes and I
very comfortable flying. So it really took me by surprise
as as my little but was I 11 maybe looked out the window, my
11 year old self looking out thewindow and all of a sudden this
wave of panic hit me. And I said, oh God, I hope I'm

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wrong. I think we're going to crash.
This plane's going to crash. Oh God.
And I started to flip out. It was very out of character.
And a voice said, don't worry, it's not your time yet.
Then I snapped from looking at the out the window and I looked
around. There was nobody sitting next to

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me. I was like, OK.
What the heck was wrong? What the heck was that?
But I went right back to worrying and I looked out the
window again and I, I just couldn't shake this feeling.
And the voice got louder. Don't worry, it's not your time
yet. And I was like, wow, did anybody

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else hear that? Well, maybe not.
And I was like, OK, so I hit thebell for the store.
So I was like, coke, please. And that was it, You know, off
we went. That was my first, you know,
audible assurance. Now, you know, I would imagine
that many, if not most children have those kinds of experiences,

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but we've never talked about that.
I had a similar one when I firstfound out I was adopted.
And I wanted to know if I could talk to if I had a father and
mother in heaven, if I could talk to them, right.
And it turns out I could have the same kind of experience.
Loud. I mean, so loud that I knew my
mother should have heard it, whowas sitting 20 feet away.
And so instead of engaging the voice, I had spun around and

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asked her if she heard it. And she goes, Nope, must have
been a peeping Tom. And I was like, oh, wait a
minute, you know, it was 4 1/2 at the time.
It just didn't make sense, right?
Because I knew what I heard justthe same as you, right?
You knew what your hood heard. Nobody could deny that.
Now, what do you do with it? Do you listen to it?
You know, were you able to relaxand then make it through the

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flight without too much panic beyond that?
Yeah, I mean, once is is crazy or weird, but but twice.
And I said OK, fine. And I literally just relaxed and
I don't know what brought on thepanic, but maybe it was just so
I could know that I'm, I have anexpression now, Zen, that I like
to share, which is I am divinelyguided, connected and protected

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there. You go.
And that, yeah, I've developed that over the last few years.
But I think that's, you know, that was my first experience of
that. I think as children we have a
natural proclivity to empathy ofothers because we are still so
wide open psychically that if we're in that space, we tend to

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pick up probably first worst case scenarios, which is the
fear of dying. And then it trickles back from
there depending on, you know, the, the situation we're in.
I don't know if that's true or not.
That's a theory that I have based on the experience and
knowledge I have in, in the research and study of the

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development of spirituality and what kids go through and, and
how they're denied initially. And then you've got the opposite
that are nurtured, right? Or at least maybe not nurtured,
but encouraged. I want to share something
because I was encouraged in a lot of different ways.
Pretty much my parents sent us wherever, whoever would have us

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on a Sunday. It could have been a temple.
It could have been, you know, itcould have been anything.
It could have been like we were the only kids in the theater to
watch Jesus Christ Superstar. I'm surprised they let us in
because we were so young, right?OK.
They dropped us off wherever, wherever they could to get rid
of us on a Sunday. So I was, by the time I was 11,

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a hodgepodge of beliefs. Well, and this this happened
prior to the airplane incident. My mom let me know that she was
going to she was thinking about putting a hit out on my
stepfather. And yeah, I've had, you know,
quite so my mom wasn't exactly like appropriate with her

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sharing. OK, so I'm this little kid who's
just been relocated from everything that she knew.
And then mom dumped this. And, you know, this is like
shocking. And so I'm laying in bed then
and it was a very hot South Florida night, not a breeze.

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And, and I was like, I felt so lost.
And so I decided to test and I said, Jesus, if you exist, make,
make, make the curtains blow. I was making it up, man.
And, and, and curtains blue. And I was like, all right,

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that's once. Yeah, that was an easy one.
Listen. Yeah, yeah, do it again.
I said, all right, third time's a charm, make it happen again.
I said, all right, we're good and had a dream that night.
And and, and, and I know that it's a kids imagination, but I
wouldn't have thought to make this up.

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But in this dream we were sitting on on Earth with and we
were so big that we could put our hands like this, you know,
on our knees. And he was pointing out all
kinds of things about the world,about the Galaxy, about the
entire universe. We sat on the earth like it was
a beach ball together. And I don't remember what the

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lesson was. I just remember the event and
so. Well, I would say the lesson was
that, yeah, you're like much bigger than you think you are.
And here's kind of what else is available when you have time to
explore. What I mean is, I don't know
what he was teaching me about the Galaxy, but it was a neat
experience, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, just the fact that you're there with him, sitting on the

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Earth, I mean that that would beenough.
Yeah, yeah. And then not long after that,
there was a hurricane out over Cuba.
And we were new. We, I mean, we knew, we learned
how to swim and all that, but the beach was closed.
And my brother and I thought it would be really fun to go take
our rafts down to Lake Worth Pier and, and, and catch some

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waves. And like you said, the beach was
closed, chained off. OK, Nobody.
The waves were coming over the pier because the hurricane was
out over Cuba. But the.
But George, the lifeguard was there And and George knew us.
We knew we were, you know, little beach bunnies us as kids
and and he took us out past where the waves were breaking.

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And, you know, it was fun, but it wasn't really riding waves.
And I kind of got seasick with just the swells.
We all we were doing was doing the swells.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know, when the waves are
that rough, you really, I can only either go behind them or
try not to, you know, get taken out by in front of them.
So anyway, I got bored and I said, I'm going in.

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And so I'm paddling in and I get, I get to the place where I
can kind of stand up and a wave knocks me down and, and I'm
disoriented and I try to get back up and a second one comes
and now I'm eating sand and, andthen, and then a third one.
And I knew I was done And I, andThis is why I want people to not

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be scared of dying. It's one of those it's it's a
sub message I don't get often, often the chance to share this.
Thanks then, because what happens is you, at least what
happened for me. I mean, you would think like you
total panic, right? Oh my God, I'm drowning.
I'm drowning. Help, help, help, help, help.

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And then there's this pulling out on my body.
I pulled out on my body and there was nothing but peace.
And I was like, well, shouldn't my little life flash before my
eyes or something? Remember, I'm the hodgepodge of
of religion and. Sure, sure.
Yeah. You know, temples and I'm MMS,
but I was like, shouldn't that be happening?
Shouldn't there be a tunnel and some light or something?
I remember. Something right?
Something right? All I remember was feeling so

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calm and I was like, oh, this, this is all right.
I'm. I'm cool with this.
And then all of a sudden, it waslike, like, like a kitten being
pulled up by the back of its neck by its mom.
All of a sudden, on this closed beach, there was a man who saw
what was happening, who came down and dragged me out of this

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moment, picked, you know, pulledme up out of the water, sat me
down on the shore. You OK?
You OK? Yeah, I didn't need
resuscitation, didn't need nothing.
You OK? Yeah, I think I am.
I, I I think. Yeah.
And I could be dramatic and say,you know, he disappeared as he

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walked down the sand, you know, But, you know, maybe he didn't.
But I know I watched him until Icouldn't see him anymore.
And that was when I looked out at the ocean and my brother and.
And George, the lifeguard had noidea because the waves were that
big, had no idea what had happened.
And that was when it's hit at me.
Oh, wow, I think I almost just died.

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Or maybe I did. And that was when fear set in.
But in the moment when somethinglike that happens, there is No
Fear. There's only peace.
Yeah, there is a release. There's a total letting go and a
sense of unconditional acceptance and almost like a

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warm blanket of love. Yeah, you're just totally free
of everything, totally safe. Yeah, but again, you know, not
your time. I had another experience like.
That that's just so phenomenal experience and wow, that I can

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just imagine having had my own right, that how that the
transposition of consciousness and the process of being
extricated and reintegrated. Yeah, that.
And then just going, Oh yeah, yeah, I'm good.

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Cool, right? Yeah.
That nobody knows what's been going on inside your head.
And the fact that you had such areservoir of things to draw from
in thinking about it gave you all those opportunities.
So you weren't stuck in any one of them.
I, I perceive. And so it gave you a much

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broader capacity to to just experience it rather than get
stuck in it. What about to say?
I was a little disappointed. I was looking for the tunnel and
the light. I'm like, I'm ready to go.
Yeah, but your time wasn't yet. Well.
You know, you've had several instances of that occurrence, so

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let's move forward a little bit,right?
When when you began the, the, the teenage years, the movement
into a little greater maturity and, and we all know women
mature earlier than men, right? So no argument there, right.
So in that process, what did youwith the experiences you were

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going through school with your classmates and others and, and
did you share any of your internal awareness or, or did
you find that it was difficult or challenging to do so and, and
often got rejected as a result? I didn't think it was anything
special, so it it didn't really occur to me to to share these

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things. So no it.
Wasn't. Now that's a very humbled
response because it you're right, it really isn't anything
special. And yet it is.
I think we all go through it eventually.
I I've just had that and a few more times where I don't know.

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For some reason I'm still here fogging a mirror like.
Well, and you're helping so manyothers to do so as well, right?
You're giving a, a through the work that you do.
We'll get there in a minute. Back to your teenagers, what was
that like? And in your progression and your
early adult life, what were going on in there?
I know you, you had some prep in, in preparing for the

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interview. And I don't know if we can draw
some of that in you or not. Well, things were such a mess
in, in my childhood and teen years.
I mean, like I at age 8, I, I, I, I overdosed on baby aspirin.

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Then I got scared, like I was trying to take myself out early.
And the rejection that I got, you know, go back to bed and
they didn't come and see how I was carried on.
So by the time I was 13, I was my mom.
We she tried to kill herself, I guess.
They said it was an emotional breakdown.

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And I was hoping that a train would hit me coming home from
school. Like it was a battle to to keep
my chin up for many, many, many years.
And. That is so real, right?
That's raw. And I think from my

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conversations with others, thereare so many that go through that
that don't get an opportunity oror don't have the guiding force
within them to get them through it, and they do go out.
I, I don't know, I think really,honestly, the thing that kept me

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from actually taking myself out was that I was so convinced that
I was a fuck up that I was goingto mess that up too.
And that I was going to end up, no seriously, I was going to end
up paralyzed and, and really regretting it.
I would mess up trying to tryingto leave this planet.

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And so and not have the wherewithal to have a second
chance at it. That Yeah.
So it was fear of messing up my exit plan and the the, you know,
it was so hard to be here, especially.
And this is the thing, as much as I want to encourage people

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not to be afraid of dying when you have had that experience,
and I've got to watch my words because I don't want to manifest
this too often, but I'll say it this way.
Dying's easy. It's living that's hard.
Absolutely. So there's that and and I don't

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want to make living hard, but dying is really easy.
Don't be scared like freaking live out loud man.
Slide into home plate with a well used body and a heck of a
resume. You know like go for it because
when it's done, it's easy. Bye bye and it's peaceful

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finally. Now, how did you find that
peacefulness coming out of the disparity that you had during
those years? And what are the kinds of things
that you found that were key to helping you ascend into a new

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living awareness, let's say? I I have had I appreciate that
you think I I've I've ascended to a new living awareness.
You're still here. Yeah.
That's a good indicator. Yeah, I got a story about that.

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So I have been studying a student of of personal
development metaphysics. I started studying metaphysics
when I was 21. I'm Jonathan Livingston Seagull.
Open my eyes. First book I read.
My mother gave me that in 8th grade.
My mom gave me that book too, isn't that interesting?
8th grade. That's young, so yeah, it.

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Was a little advanced. And my mom had become a trained.
She spent six years learning her.
Her gift was to be a medium, nota large and what a box and but.
I'm Ching. Right.
Just don't strike one right theythey become very unhappy.

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So she helped in, in a way to, to help give me some hope that
as messed up as I was, there wasa possibility that there, there
was, you know, some meaning to all of this.
And, and then along the along along along the way, a lot of

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shit happened. And I, one of the things that I
heard was you get to choose yourexit ramp.
You get to decide. And I had just gone through one
of the worst experiences of, of disappointment and bullying like
I'd never had before. I, I paid a group $2500 to be in

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their collaboration book. And it, it went to hell in a
handbasket. Bad, real bad.
And, and that was like the, and,and people, if you're, you got
to remember, you know, if that one comment that you make might
be the straw that breaks somebody's back.
And that's what happened. And, and on this particular

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night, I was, I, I, I, I was beside myself and, and I said,
you know, all I ever do is, is try.
And I almost, I mean, almost ranalmost made it almost, you know,
it for things go right here. I am in the same position.

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Is it always going to be like this?
Is this, is this what I came to experience?
Which is just sheer and utter frustration and.
And it's likely to think that because you've experienced that
same or similar pattern that you're recognizing in yourself,
wondering, OK, what's up with this?

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Yeah, 'cause I was in my 50s by the time you get to your
freaking 50s. And you're a no kid, right?
You right, you'd think it would be different and right, right,
there's that and and you know, societal stuff.
Oh it's supposed to be different.
Anyway here's what happened and I don't know where this voice

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came from, maybe it was just me.But it said and I'm absolutely
wrecked sobbing for hours and itsaid just quit.
It's always going to be like this, just quit.
And a couple times I got up sobbing, barely walking and

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walking to the cupboard and looking at the sleeping pills
and going back on, you know, youknow, shuddering with tears.
Just quit. It's always going to be like
this. It's never going to get any
better. This is what you know.
This is what your lifetime is. Just quit.
And so I did. I wrote a note to the

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maintenance man. I said, I'm sorry, you have to
find me like this. I took the trash out.
I put my keys and my baby picture on the table.
It's the only picture I have from my my past.
And I said, you know, sorry. And I I'd already picked out my

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funeral song. And so I had that playing on
repeat. It's a it's a great techno song.
I love Tiësto and Sarah McLaughlin.
Yes, TSO yeah, it's a great song.
Sunrise it. Look it up, people.
It's absolutely beautiful. Give me, give me release, give
me peace is the chorus. And it's all I've wanted because

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it's you know how many decades of freaking trying and then this
thing happens then and I I don'tknow.
I took 30. I don't know.
I didn't count how many sleepingpills I took.
It was a lot and and I wasn't scared because I've died before.
I was just, I'm just done. Just like.

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OK, I'm headed out. I'm just done.
Yeah. And as I was heading to to the
other room, I'm bumping into thewalls because they're really
hitting hard now. I hear a completely different
voice that says, oh, you quit too soon, You quit too soon.
Oh, you quit too soon. And then I got mad and I'm like,

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according to who? According to what?
Where's the fucking manual? Why can't I know we're according
to who? God damn it, I was mad and I
quit too soon. According to what?
Who, what? Janet, Janet, I can't even get
this right. And I said fine.

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And this is this is this is the thing I want to encourage.
And I'd like to see more of thisin the world, which is when
people were like, you know what,I was wrong.
If people could do that, you know, miracles can happen.
Here's what happened. Yeah.
I said OK, fine, on the outside chance that I'm wrong, because

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now I'm now I'm pushing, now I'mgaming with whatever voice is
talking to me, I'm going to giveit some unrealistic thing.
It's the outside chance that I'mwrong.
Wake me up in the morning. Yeah, angels wake me up in the
morning. And I threw in Jesus.
Take the wheel. And I went to bed to die.

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Well, that night I had a dream. You know those dreams that you
wake up talking? Yeah.
So I woke up and sat up because I thought my girlfriend was in
my room at the foot of my bed. And I sat up to talk to
Rochelle, which made me take a breath.

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I realized she wasn't there, fell right back out.
That's a lot of sleeping pills. OK.
It happened again. Woke up, sat up, took a breath.
She's not here. It happened 3 * 3 times.
There's that trinitized energy again.
And you know what? If I was going to make it, if I

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was going to make it, I should have slept days.
My ass woke up at 8:00 AM. I turned, I put, I was mad too.
I put my feet on the floor. It was like nothing ever
happened. And I said fine, I guess there's
more for me to do. 8:00 AM like not sick, not groggy, not

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nothing. It's like it never happened.
I'm like, OK, I don't know why I'm I'm still here, but OK fuck,
let's go figure it out. Amazing.
That is, and so replete with intervention, yeah.

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And proof that there's more, that you are loved, right?
That's that's, that's just one part of it, Hun.
And I know. Here's the other part.
Here's the other part. And, and I'm going to, I'm going
to tell it to you this way. When I was in my early 30s, I

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was desperate for answers. And so I, I had a Natal chart
reading and I didn't even know what a birth chart was at the
time, but I was desperate for answers, right.
OK, I couldn't. Do 1II Adopted.
I didn't know my time and place.Yeah.
Anyway, it's interesting. It's like, oh, OK, well.
Yeah, I never thought about that.

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So I'm there and it's, it's a it's a guy who really knows what
he's doing. And he's got five other people
with him that are learning and he, he and and, and go sit over
there. Ma'am, we'll be with you
shortly. OK, so after like 20 minutes,
the spokesman says, could you come here want to see if we're

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on the right track? And I said, OK, And we see here
on the chart that you were you 3when your parents got divorced.
And I said, yeah, hang on a second, let's do the math on
that. How is my parents and their

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divorce on my birth chart? And I said, is it all already
done? Is it all already done?
Has been my question ever since.But in that moment, the the
spokesman hedged and hawed and kind of kicked some imaginary
leaves. And he's like, oh, wow,
something muttered something about free will.

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I said free will. I said it's on my birth chart
that I was 3 when my parents gotdivorced.
Seems to me that's already been figured out.
Well, who's got the free will inthis?
And I said it can look like freewill that you take a left and
your air quote should have takena right because that's your free
will. But maybe even that's on the
chart. And we all went home with some

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questions that night. Yeah.
You're laughing. I, I am because I, I know you
know how pernicious you are and,and it's just, you've asked a
lot of questions and you don't hold anything back.
And that, well, it's the unique thing in, in my perspective of

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life in general. Everything's sacred and nothing
is sacred. The truth deserves to be
questioned and cajoled and whacked at until it shines.
Otherwise it wouldn't be truth and right.
So the more we whack away at it,the more it stands, the better
opportunities we have the acquiescing to it and not it

(31:17):
being complete denial of it. Absolutely.
Question narratives, question everything.
When I was little, I wanted to write a book.
Shirley MacLaine beat me to it, but I was going to write a book
called What If? Yeah.
And and you reminded me of Alfred, right?
Question everything when that first came out in Mad magazine

(31:39):
and Alfred E Newman, right? Yes.
You know when when I call it convid when that hit, I
myfirst.com choice, I registeredask why before you comply.com,
Because I'm like listen, I like shit that rhymes, but also you
do before you comply. Right.

(31:59):
Well, you're such a wordsmith too.
I, I love it because so it's so rare that especially in the
moment that we can string stuff together in such poetic fashion
that and it really brings the conversation up.
It adds this additional layer ofjoy, right, right, because you

(32:21):
laugh, it's not only humorous funny, but it's also elevating
because of of the how you put ittogether.
And I know most of your phrases are that way.
They're meant to elevate, not tocastigate, right?
And so it in that and as you were talking about the things

(32:43):
the birth charts right. So I figured what year it was
maybe 89 ish and I meet I'm trying to remember his name.
Anyway, he was head of the Arizona Metaphysical Society and
he channeled an entity called Adamus written several books.

(33:04):
His name will pop up in a minute.
And his West Coast coordinator was a Co producer of discussion
and lecture groups that I was running.
And so I went to their office tomeet with her one day.
And I walk in and he's talking with his wife and her

(33:24):
secretaries over there and my friends and at her desk and
they're talking about astrology charts.
And they're like, have you ever had yours?
I said, no, I I don't know my time.
I was adopted. I've never been able to find
birth records. And they said, well, Frank Alper
was his name. He says, what would you like to
know? And I was like, well, duh.

(33:48):
Yeah. And he said, OK, come on over
here, sit down. And he had me sit down.
He closed his eyes, put his handon his forehead and said, and
his wife's name is Helene. He says, OK, Helene, write this
down. 6/29 at 5:12 AM. All he had was my birth year.
Now my parents had celebrated mybirthday on the 30th of June and

(34:14):
I'm thinking oh this is too close for comfort right?
And then he says no wait there'smore.
I'm like WTF right? And he says 6 years, two months,
19 days, 11:43 AM. And I'm looking at him really
weird. And he said that's when the walk

(34:34):
in occurred. And I'm like, no, that's weird
because the voice I mentioned earlier, that happened when I
was about 5-6 and a half. We were already living in the
house my dad had built. So it was a new house.

(34:55):
It's when I'd started my out of body experiences during that
time. So I was still like fighting it,
right? Doesn't make sense.
You know, I can see how layered,but I don't there wasn't a walk
in. Maybe there was a new level of
awareness that took place, but I've never bought into the walk
in thing. And yet there are many instances
where it appears to be true. Right, because of the massive

(35:17):
shift in the individual who had chosen to let go and leave and
allowed someone else to come back in.
Still really bizarre and fringe science if you will, but the
fact was that out of nothing, all he had was the year he gave
me something that was so close. And when I did the birth chart,

(35:39):
man, everything was in Cancer, Mercury, Mars, Venus, My son, I
don't know, it was like I was anemotional sponge.
We are sensitive little Peaches,us cancerians.
Oh my God. Well, I eventually, years later,
I was talking with my parents and they said, well, OK, we'll

(35:59):
try and help you, you know, findyour birth records.
And so we submitted non identifying information forms to
the state of Indiana Department of Health.
And I got back. I was born in Indianapolis at
2:50 AM. I'm like on June 30th like, oh,
OK, so I did those and still Mercury, Mars, Venus in Cancer,

(36:23):
Mars is in Leo and my Moon's in Leo.
So that gives me the bravado, I guess, or false or otherwise,
right. I just have fun and it allows me
to have that fun be be expressive, right without being
attached to it, because the the rest of them are all very heart
centered science. So that was quite an awakening,

(36:49):
right. And I because I thought I was
born in Anderson IN for all those years.
And now I found out it's Indianapolis.
Still wondered about my birth parents, right?
Wondering if you know who is theweird one in the family that I
got this from? There's no explaining that when
not not when there's a walk in involved.

(37:11):
No, and and yet I met my birth father unaware at a UFO Congress
in or a conference in 1989 in Phoenix, right?
2000 miles from where we grew upand.
My gosh. It was bizarre.

(37:32):
Liked him as a man. Didn't you know that there was a
fleeting thought when he said hewas from Anderson?
OK, right. And but I like the guy.
And you're both in a UFO conference.
Yeah, Wow. Well.
I thought, OK, that's where it came from, right?
But I didn't know then. I didn't know until 20/19 when

(37:55):
Luba had gotten me. My wife had gotten me a
subscription to Ancestry as our first or my first Christmas
present from her hoping that my mother would show up and she
did. My half sister showed up first,
then mom went back to spend a week with her that year during
the summer during my birthday aswell.
And it was just a wonderful reunion.

(38:17):
And she had told me what dad's name was.
And so I had a friend that did skip tracing and he tracked him
down. He came from Anderson through
Phoenix and landed up in Prescott, sure enough.
And then as if that wasn't enough, I found a guy that was a
Facebook friend of his. Now.
He passed in 2017. So I found a friend of his
finally. And he said, Oh, yeah, I

(38:39):
remember you. And he was renting the house on
the property that dad had a cabin on.
And so there's like, Oh my gosh,I, I was so magical, right?
You know, I wanted to meet them.I gave it up the opportunity,
showed up without even me recognizing it.

(39:00):
And maybe I did and chose not topursue it at that time because I
was so OK with not being raised by them because I had a
beautiful childhood. And yet, here was this
opportunity to feel a little more grounded.

(39:22):
Well, I'm glad you had it that way Zen when I wrote and I
really genuinely am because not everybody has had has that I I
believe with all my heart. Those that are adopted have a
certain sense of, well, you know, there's going to be a
loss, there's going to be natural questions and all that,
but you've been, you've been chosen by another family and,

(39:45):
and that is that is a beautiful thing.
And the hard, a harder thing is to is to be with a birth parent
and and not feel wanted. And what happened when I
published Life Lessons Learned from a Lousy mother?
That's a new cover I put on that.
Did you did you see that I. Haven't yet?

(40:07):
No, not lately. It's it's OK.
Oh, wait. Hang on.
Here it is. OK, that's wonderful.
So it's a little book and I put this out, wrote it in five days.
It had been on my heart for a long time.

(40:27):
But, you know, wrote it and it'sfull of solutions, doesn't stay
in the pain, yadda yadda. OK, good stuff, right?
Well, here's what happened. I get some messages on on
Facebook. Oh, loved your book.
And I was like, oh, a bunch of ladies like my book.
And oh, look, they left reviews.Oh, maybe it's going to it's

(40:49):
making some waves. Maybe this, this is Matt.
This matters because I said, youknow, I, I'm not a mother.
And I wrote that for Mother's Day for all those who didn't
have June Cleaver for a mother either, right.
And and then it came then then this is what happened.
Turns out those ladies introduced themselves as my

(41:12):
aunts and they were the sisters of my mom who was adopted into
their family. And oh by the way, my half
sister did adna test and that's what led to this conversation.
And I said hang on. My parents told me she died when
she was born and my father even made-up stories that he would

(41:34):
visit her at the cemetery and did I want to come someday and
it turned out that we were in the same high school together at
the same time, 2 years apart. I mean what?
Right. Yeah, so and and never
recognized each other. How could we?
I thought she was dead. They told me she died.

(41:55):
My mom went along with the story.
Turns out that my mom was carrying somebody else's baby
when she and my dad got married.And he said, like hell am I
going to raise another man's child?
She's going out for adoption theminute she shows up.
And I said to this girl, and she's like, I want to know my
birth mom's. Like I said, you read the book,
didn't you? I said you, you dodged a bullet,

(42:16):
Hon. You dodged a bullet.
And I frankly didn't want to meet her.
I had nothing in common with her.
I had nothing in common with these other oh, you got aunts
and uncles and cousins and oh, Idon't care, I'm sorry, not
sorry, I don't care. But what a way to find out that
my parents had both been gluten and lying my whole life about

(42:38):
yet another thing. Goodness gracious.
So here's a So here's this brings up an important part.
My birth mother. I was last one on her bucket
list. I have 1/2 sister four years
older, half brother four years younger, three different
fathers. She was young enough with my

(43:02):
sister that she couldn't afford another child.
And dad split once he found out she was pregnant because her
mother was pressuring him to marry her.
And he said, no, I'm out of here.
I'm going to go become an actor in New York is what he said.
And then he went West. But later, of course, 30 years

(43:24):
later. What was interesting, though, is
that on her mother's my mother'smother's birth deathbed, she
blurts out something about the child she gave up for adoption
that she's never let the family know about.
Oh great. Right.

(43:45):
So there were five other aunts and uncles, brothers and sisters
of her mother, right, and, and several other, you know,
brothers and sisters in the family and nobody knew about it
until then. Well, she, that was 10 years and

(44:05):
well into three different bouts of cancer that were now had gone
in and 1/4 showed up and all four were in remission.
When she and I met the followingyear, they all came back and she
was gone within a year and a half after we met.

(44:27):
Now that is to me is an example of holding stress.
It manifested in her body because it was such she was
beating up on herself so bad, unforgiving, unwilling and
silent that it just lodged in her body.

(44:49):
And then she had those events happened.
Be that true or not, energetically it makes sense.
We don't have the we have some psychology in medicine now that
would indicate that possibility,not necessarily the reality yet.

(45:10):
However, it makes sense, right? Knowing what we know, knowing
what we know about energy and its influence, especially when
you hold it, it's going to go, it's going to do something
right. If you're constantly
constricting your own energy from being who you are, what's
going to happen? You're going to eat yourself up
inside. It's it's like drinking poison.

(45:33):
Yeah, absolutely. So beyond that, right when we
met, it was there was no regrets.
No, she still had the angst. And by the time, which is why I
think maybe she was able to let it come and leave, there was no
I loved her unconditionally fromthe get go.
I had no reservations, no regrets, no anger, resentment,

(45:57):
anything. Now that may be odd, I don't
know. It's just when you love, you
accept what is right. Everything's perfect as it is.
We just got to figure out how. So Speaking of now, how did you

(46:18):
figure out the perfection in howyou had experienced life to
date? And then you go into this period
where you're doing just the opposite of what that 2500 hit
was, right? You are drawing people in,
giving of yourself and helping them share their voices like we

(46:40):
did with Rattle Awake, right? This is a perfect example of
your commitment in service to others.
Now how does that? What did you have to go through
or what did you go through internally to reach that state
and then learn how to give back?It was, it was, I'm going to put

(47:04):
it this way, my hand was forced.So I've been already working as
an editor by helping people withnonfiction self help and story
development under the guise and guidance of someone else.

(47:27):
And then I, I. Go into this the guise and
guidance. I want to also recognize that
you have met some outstanding and prolific and well known
authors in your journey as well and worked with.
So just so the audience is awareof that from the perspective
from which you're sharing. Yeah, I appreciate you throwing

(47:48):
that in. Zen it it's, it's odd that, you
know, it was 30 years ago that Iwas sitting in multiple speak
and Write for Millions weekend workshops and trainings and
seminars. Mark Victor Hansen and Jack
Canfield had just launched Chicken Soup for the Soul.
After 144 rejections, they finally got printed and they
were doing these workshops and Iwas literally working side by

(48:11):
side with Mark and privileged tosit in the audience of many of
these things and and talk with him afterwards about, you know,
how his message came across because I wasn't in his circle.
And see, this is, this is a very, I didn't even plan on
this. When a third party, you're
smiling. When a third party comes in,

(48:34):
they see more than the participants.
And we know that in our head. But he really showed me the
value and he said to me, you don't even know your value to me
because I, I was a fresh mind, not in his circle, not at all
in, in that world. And I had an aptitude for
marketing and a word nerd and, and, you know, communication.

(48:59):
In spades. Word nerd, wordsmith.
Word nerd. Word Smithy.
Yes, yes. And and so it really was his
feedback that made me recognize the value of someone else being
able to come in and go, hang on,let me pull this from you.
Look at that. Let's let's spin this into

(49:21):
something. And so, so Fast forward, excuse
me, a couple years ago, I had just come off of a great ghost
writing job. I manifested, I was like, I'm
worth a lot more and and I brokeaway from the guy that I was
working with and and it was the best paying job I'd ever had.
I found out from someone else I should have charged 15,000 more

(49:44):
because I know all the stuff, all the things to be called a
book producer. Not, she said.
Anybody can This this revered. Talent.
Funny how we the imposter syndrome, right?
I didn't know that it was calleda book producer, though I didn't
know I knew I had. Value, Well, none of us do

(50:04):
really. You know, we, we just build our
skill set. We do what we do.
We don't recognize the value in the marketplace because we're
having fun doing it. Well, I, I'd never had to do it
either. Like it was completely new
territory. Just like the time my very first
freelance gig, I think I paid, Iwas paid like 75 bucks and the

(50:24):
book became the 2023 best indie book of the year.
What? So like I, it wasn't, I just
didn't know what I didn't know. So anyway, I'm good.
Point. Let's let's edify that point.
We don't know what we don't know.
So what does that promote? Curiosity.

(50:52):
Meow, you know I'm that cat, Youknow, like I want to know.
You. You want to know I ask
questions. Turn over the rocks.
Flip the stones Right. Absolutely, curiosity is
everything and that and that's, you know, like that's how we
keep growing, you know, stay curious, stay open.
And in this case, my hand was forced.
And I say that quite literally then because I went roller

(51:15):
skating for my 60th birthday andI fell and I broke my wrist in
two places extremely badly. And my hand doesn't bend
anymore. So I can't, I can't, I'm I'm one
handed Wanda now. I do everything with one hand.
Uh huh. And I tore my shoulder.
It got re injured twice. It has been a nightmare of the
last 18 months and the reason that.

(51:37):
This too shall pass. Well, the reason that all these
books that you know, rattled awake or there's 12 and then
there's four more, it came about.
It was out of necessity because I couldn't type.
I couldn't sit. I couldn't, I broke, you know,
my tailbone. I like I got hurt.

(51:58):
Well, the the necessity actuallywas your creative side going OK,
what can I do with what I have? And it was somebody who
something, here's a third party again, somebody came along and
said, did you know that people can write a, a chapter on the
weekend? And I was like, no, but I'm
open, I'm listening, I'm listening.
And then I realized the way he was doing it didn't work.

(52:19):
It didn't work. And so I have completely changed
the program and, and I, and I, and the gratification that I
get, seeing what happens to the authors lives through this
process. And then after is, is, is the
best, most rewarding work I've ever done.
So as challenging as it has been, and, and, and honestly,

(52:43):
honestly, I had no idea. I I, I did not know shit from
Shinola when it came to certain things that were required to
make this happen. But I'll tell you what, as soon
as a need arises, so will its solution.
Stay focused on the what and thehow makes itself known.
And the right questions. How can I start?

(53:04):
Starts the ball rolling. How can I?
Yeah. Not oh shit, I I got to, you
know, it's. Well, there were lots of oh
shits, but well. Yeah, that goes along with the
two, however they come after. Well, how can I and and then,
all right, so there's these things and and you know, it's
like real key says, you know, that's the questions and shut

(53:25):
up. Let life off of the answers
because it will yes, you try andfigure stuff out on your own.
It's not going to happen becauseyou're just in your own head
with your own information and and you're stuck.
I you know, you don't have choice.
I have no body. I have no body backing me up.
I don't have any other source ofincome.
I don't have anything else, justa lot to to rely on.

(53:48):
And so, you know, you do what you got to do to keep going,
because you can't just lay down in the middle of the floor and
die. No, you can't.
Well, you tried and that didn't work.
That didn't work either. And and yet you're a perfect
illustration of OK, I'm here, I'm now, I'm available.

(54:09):
Help me and you're willing to step into whatever bread crumbs
show up in front of you as a result of that curious question?
Absolutely. And I want to add this part too.
Not only did I have a bad experience with with a
collaboration, my very first ever, but I wanted to make it so

(54:32):
that nobody, that nobody would feel like I did when I felt so,
so disappointed, so frustrated. Am I ever going to be able to
get anything published ever? I had no idea what to do.
I was getting quotes from peoplethat were ridiculous and that

(54:54):
was just to promote the book. And I didn't even know how to
start writing a book. I had no idea what to do.
How the hell is this going to work out?
And here I am, you know, 30 years later after being in all
of Mark's stuff and feeling likekind of like more than a late
bloomer. And I'm going, well, you know,
how how? And I didn't want anybody to
ever have that feeling again. And I'll tell you something in

(55:19):
this book, bullied how I got by short stories from people who've
lived to tell about it. Literally, I cried every day
producing this book because their stories are so hard and
there's multiple stories by multiple people in here.
And the reason that I'm bringingthis up is because all of these
people got a chance to tell something that nobody would ever

(55:42):
give them a chance to do before.That's why I do what I do,
because. This is so beautiful, Lonnie,
because we want to be heard, we want to be understood.
We the two things in life that drive us are to love and be
loved, and we seek those things,whether consciously or

(56:05):
unconsciously, in everything that we do.
Unfortunately, we learn ineffective habits and patterns
early on in life that don't really take us to that.
And until we have some kind of traumatic event that rips
everything else away from us, can we fully say, OK, what do I

(56:32):
do? Yeah, I sure as heck didn't see
it coming. This was never on the list.
Yeah, well, we never do right with all we have are the
intention of wanting to serve and and to love and be loved.
Yeah, well the love and be lovedpart that has been, that has
been touch and go. I'll tell you something.
When you give people a great deal on something, they they

(56:55):
don't necessarily express a great deal.
No, I I totally agree with that and.
That's a shame. That speaks to them, not you.
Granted, but I still go through the same ruminations every every
time. Oh absolutely, I totally get it.
I really, I really, I really gotto.
I really got to give this one guy a shout out.

(57:16):
I got to. Then.
In this book, the advocates, thehealers and heeding a higher
calling. So, Chris.
Chris, is it Chris? I've got to do this.
This. This is his dream come true.
I've never seen someone so grateful in my life.
I love you, Chris. So this is Chris.
I know it's not all that clear. Chris Monastery Chris is on a

(57:39):
mission to save teen lives because at age 17, the day
before he was supposed to go to boot camp, he was in an accident
that paralyzed him. That was 47 years ago and he has
been wanting somebody please help tell me somebody help him
tell his story. What?
And he got let down so many times.

(58:01):
Nobody it didn't work out, didn't work out.
I called him and I said, hey, Hun, we're doing, I'm doing this
book called The Advocates and, and, and I, I.
The fact that you called him is above and beyond.
I'll type out your story, so let's do this.
This he has, he says. He says, I haven't been this

(58:21):
happy since the day before the accident 47 years ago.
He's over the moon. He makes all of it worthwhile.
He is on a mission to help save teen lives because of what
happened to him. This book is helping him do
that. That's why it matters.

(58:44):
Thanks for letting me share that.
Oh, you're welcome. I mean, it's these little things
that most of us are unaware of because we're not paying
attention, right? We're too involved in the
day-to-day and the tunnel visionof what can I do to get what I
want instead of how can I be more fully present in life and

(59:11):
give back. Yeah, he's never.
I mean, I've never. He's been.
We're such takers in our societyand I I don't know if it's just
in America or the world that we are such takers.
We don't, you know, even in the phrase take care that's.
A good point. Where do I take it from?

(59:34):
Exactly. You know, I, I got to a point
and this sounds really silly and, and off the wall, but
somebody says take care. I said, I say to them, only if
you give it, I'm not a taker, thank you.
And they go what, what, what, right, because it's so ingrained
and so internally programmed that we feel like we have to

(59:58):
take from the world and, and it's, this is where we have that
scarcity. Mentality that that's where it
comes from, right? It's abundant.
We have food, we have enough foreverybody to be taken care of.
We just don't distribute it correctly because there's poor
leadership and faulty systems. And that's part of what I'm

(01:00:18):
working on correcting with Planetary Citizens and showing
how it can be done. Because I'm an old systems guy
and in the aerospace industry, Ibegan to understand systems.
I was in charge of $7,000,000 a month, 800 part numbers.
And so I had to understand everything that went on in the
manufacturing environment, both from a material standpoint as
far as machinery and process. Because I came out of being, I

(01:00:41):
was a machinist and also on a soft skills level of how to get
people to do what I needed them to do without forcing them.
And so, and in the process, it'sfunny, you know, I was the
youngest person in the department, 35 people.
And in six months, I rose to thetop of the production chart and

(01:01:01):
I had two supervisors show up inmy cubicle one day and I'm
thinking, oh, shit, what did I do?
Right. And then like, they see the look
on my face. It's like, no, no, no.
And it's, we want to know how you're doing your job because
you're up here. And we've never had that happen.
And I said, well, it's Midwestern values.
I, I want to treat others how I want to be treated.

(01:01:21):
And it's interpersonal skills classes that need to be, you
know, that's where I went to right.
And man, I fought for those for 3 1/2 years until I got until I
left the company and then found out a year later they'd
instituted and plant wide after I'd brought in the consultant
and went through all the rigors and the demotions and the, the

(01:01:44):
shunning of everyone in the department when I first brought
it up and all that kind of stuff.
And yet I'm just a company guy. I want us all to work together
better, right? Because that's how it works.
Well, you know, when you've had a history of that throughout
your life and not being in any industry or any industry longer
than five years, it limits the retirement available, right?

(01:02:07):
I do. I'm a professional tumbleweed.
Yeah, well, that's a great 1A professional tumbleweed.
It has. Reminds me of when I was working
1981 right before moving to Phoenix, working as a machinist
to meet Cutter and playing in a band playing drums.
Still do. And all three jobs fell through

(01:02:29):
in a day, in three days. And so I walk out on the front
porch the next morning and I literally throw my hands up to
the sun and I said, OK, I'm listening out loud.
Where do you want me to go? And this is a little podunk town
called Alexandria IN I I heard Phoenix.

(01:02:49):
So I'm thinking the whole StevenWright thing with a, you know,
elevator opening up into the tumbleweed fallen out.
I just instantly went to that inmy head as soon as I heard that
or like. And three weeks later, we moved.
Been here since 1981 and you've gone through I don't know how
many iterations of self in the process.

(01:03:09):
And yet it's always gotten better, Always just like you,
right? You, you have been climbing this
ascension ladder or whatever youwant to call it, to the point
where you are truly being recognized for you by others and

(01:03:30):
feeling that right. The disappointment is, is
beginning to fade and the acceptance of who you are and
what you're doing. I just have the utmost respect
for you. Thank you.
It's so easy for us to focus on the little tiny tag that's still

(01:03:50):
got the thread that's at the back of the dress that we love.
And instead of looking at all the sparkles, it's the little
freaking thread in the back thatgets our attention.
And so I, I wanted to just admitto that and also encourage those
who have had a touch and go withpeople shunning them because

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they have different ideas or rejecting them because whatever
people are people, apathy is running rampant.
And and and and stay, stay focused on the sparkles on your
dress because that little tag can get cut out and it can go.

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And stay focused on the reflection in the mirror that is
so beautiful. That is you.
And learn how to say I love you.Our purpose is oneness.
That's an amazing thing that when I was going through after I
left the aerospace industry, I was going through a divorce at

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the time. I got demoted the same week, but
divorce was final. Interesting numbers on that one.
11/22/88 was when it was final. Talk about some power numbers,
right? And the church tried to expel
me. Because because my.
Wife, my ex had told me, had told the Bishop that I was
having affairs. Oh no, I didn't have time or the

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notion, right? I was working 6570 hours a week
going to school right and doing my church duties.
And I was an elder in the Mormonchurch at the time.
So this just ripped my world apart.
I gave my best foot in every direction and got shunned.
And so I said OK, And talking with my dad a little later, my

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adopted father, who was 32nd degree Mason, worked for General
Motors as a tool and die maker for 38 years and then retired.
He said, you know, you got to find a company, work for them,
retire, do all this. And I said, dad, I tried it your
way. It didn't work.
I got rejected. I tried to do my best and be my
best in all three areas of my life and I got rejected by all

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three. So fuck.
Off Yep. I was really, because he was,
you know, how bad ads are. They're going to try and tell
their stories and, you know, impart their wisdom and things
like that as much as they can. And I appreciate that.
But there comes a time and you got to recognize it ain't
working so well. Now.

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What do you do? And from that point forward, you
know it. Unfortunately, I, I, we never
had a the kind of relationship Iwanted as a result of that, he
would say, you know, God damn it, I don't want to hear any of
your spiritual bullshit. Well, we have very much in

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common with that Zen and and I'msorry that you did too, so you
can understand. This that's part of the
connective tissue we have that we're referring, right?
Literally on my desk. This.
Is that apocalypse right where I'm currently?
It is. It is and, and, and these these
80 something year olds, you know, they had their idea about
how you should live your life. And if you're not doing it,

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you're doing it wrong. And and my father was literally
on his deathbed and I'm standingthere and he's going to go that
night. We all know it.
And and he turns to me and he says, you could have been
something. And I'm like, but you just told
me that I'm 55 and I have my whole life ahead of me.
And I didn't feel very young at that time.

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But from an 85 year old man's point of view, 55 was young.
I get it. And I said, but you just, you
just told me I got my whole lifeahead of me.
And he reiterated it Zen. And he said, you could have been
something. You could have been on Fox News
and I was like, oh, OK, thanks. It said, let's not count all the
times that things I've done. I've worked in film and

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television. I was a guest on Tyra Banks.
I was a guest on the Steve Harvey.
I've I've done, you know, theatre.
I've done I've, I've done all kinds of shit.
I hadn't done the books yet, butlike, let's focus on the.
Leading up to. It I should have done right?
And let's just ignore everythingelse isn't.
It funny how wow the ones you care for and love most can

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totally destroy yourself confidence.
Way to go out. Way to die, Dad.
Yeah, I mean, it's just like. Jeez.
I feel so sorry. Let me let me just wrestle my
kid on their head on my way out.Yeah.
OK. Thanks, Dad.
Appreciate it. I could have been on Fox News.

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OK, but you're telling me I'm too old, not hot enough, and my
time has passed. Thank you.
Got it. Appreciate that.
Well, you know. What the 6060 is a new 30.
Yeah, well, you know, I'm, I'm going to be 60.
I feel this. Year I feel like my pristine,

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you know, with, with the wife, the twin flame, the the karate,
the depth of the relationship that we're developing and the
intimacy that we have and and the unconditional love for each
other. That doesn't mean we don't have
situations where we disagree on stuff and got to work it out
right, that it just makes it that much easier to step back

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and deal with the situation and not the personality.
Yeah. Which is the that's usually the
difference, right? We we try to deal with
personalities instead of situations.
I'm glad you have that, Sen. I I can't tell you that it just
I waited 30 years, you know, I was divorced in 88 and in 20,

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well, almost 30 years, 2017, that's when we got married.
So it just, it totally changed my life.
I've had people tell me I look 10 years younger now and I feel
it right. And there's this childlike and
you know, like Jesus said, rightbe ye as little children.

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And it is so especially, you know, my wife came from the
USSR. Tough to be a little child there
because they take him at 5 and run through their whole, their
whole educational system, which is far superior than anything on
Earth. That I'm aware of.
Understanding how it works now didn't prior to meeting my wife

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and having even having taught high school for eight years and,
and being trained to do so and all that.
The systems are just vastly different and they're more
holistic than we are, which is why we need holistic education.
Whether there's five aspects, 5 relationships that I'm aware of
that we have that we ignore, body, mind, spirit, planet,

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cosmos. As we get older, we recognize
that those exist and we want to fine tune them.
Well, why aren't we teaching ourkids this?
If we know this, then why aren'twe putting it back into the
system? Because it's a planet of control
and chaos and. Correctly correct.

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And that's part of the evolutionof the civilization.
We go through phases. It's like territories, tribes,
regions. Nationalistic, right?
We're moving from, and this was the whole point behind planetary
citizens is moving from nationalistic perspectives to
planetary perspectives. We are one people, one planet.

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We share it. Let's figure out how to share it
wisely and help other do so. Yeah, it's not a lack of
resources, it's a lack of consciousness and caring.
And if you know, if that could be, oh, just tweaked a little
bit, if you guys could invest half the money you do and
weapons of war and look at it aseverybody can have enough and

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you can still have your billionsupon billions, whatever you
value, at least don't don't you know, like chip people.
And I honestly think, you know, with the military strength that
we have and the training that iswithin that, we've got my 2
stepsons are in the Navy now. One's navigating the submarine
in the middle of the Pacific right now, his first tour.

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And so he's the high, you know, high skilled and and they're
watching him. They're bringing him up at his
at the graduation from his training.
We went out to eat. He picked the place.
And it just happened that the Admiral that spoke at the
graduation of 1100 sailors was at the restaurant too, and

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walked by the table to congratulate him.
Aw. Wow.
I said to him, you'd think that's not a setup, you just
wait, right? So on the other one, who's eight
years older is in Okinawa now, and so he's a civil engineer.

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So these kids now and the training that they get in the
military can be redistributed, refocused, repurposed to
rebuilding, reviving, restoring things that have gone awry if we
just make that choice to do so. And instead of the money on the

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weaponry, we can spend it on thematerials and the crops and the
distribution system. Well, our last society really
had their shit together when it came to free energy.
And that's, you know, once, you know, a guy named Rockefeller
showed up and decided he could profit off of everything that
cost us, you know, to cost us tolive here.
And heard oil. You know, there's that part, so

(01:13:42):
let's. But again, this is what we've
allowed because we didn't know any better First off, and we
want to push those with more, with seemingly more expertise,
right? So we want to give our because
we're lazy, right? They're, they're marketers with
an exceptional ability to to manage perception.
And that's why you have to ask why before you comply, because

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the agenda is a narrative that they want people to just go
ahead, tell me some more what I should think.
You know we don't need 1984 around here y'all?
OK, well, there was attempted right that there, however, the
pandemic started right moot point at this point.
However, there were some things about it that were manipulated

(01:14:26):
and the narratives and now thoseare all being exposed with it
was all bullshit, right? The the entire thing.
And yet and yet it gave us all the opportunity to sequestrate
and self examine. Never in the history of the
world have we all had the opportunity to do that in one

(01:14:49):
bowel swoop. Now, what kind of new normal are
we going to choose to Co create and learn how to work together
coming out of that? We're in that process right now.
And now with AI going, oh gosh, look at what you can do in such
little time now. Yeah, as long as as long as you

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can still hold a cell phone in your hand and it's not mandated
to be in your body because Bcis are really scary and, and
there's an interconnectedness ofAI and Bcis and people really,
really need to pay attention to what's going on there.
Yeah, yeah. And then we watched the movie.
I kind of remember the name of it.
It's about a gal that had a brain dysfunction and they had a

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section of her brain that was downloaded and then replaced
with special material minus the aneurysm or whatever else was
there. And yet, and it gave her certain
abilities, right? However, it was in a localized
area because the cell towers didn't go far enough for her to

(01:15:55):
go outside of it. So she would go outside the area
and she'd just collapse, but then they would give them
upgrades. Oh, well, you can travel further
with this, you know, $800 a month upgrade.
And Oh well, you don't like the commercials that are coming
through you in front of others at inappropriate times, then you

(01:16:16):
can get the $1000 upgrade that eliminates that and allows you
to travel the world, right? That's.
Very but very feasible. Yeah, it is.
And yet we have to be very concerned now.
I'm already concerned. I'm already concerned.
Zen. The other night I had a dream,

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multiple dreams, so weird that Igot up and for the first time I
wrote it down. And one of the parts of the
dream was I opened in the dream,a letter was opened, but it was
blank. And and so I just I just wrote
it all down. I turned on YouTube and in my
YouTube feed that morning was a videos that said about that

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dream you had about the blank letter.
What y'all think we ain't being watched or somehow tapped?
Now think again. Well, here's here's what I Why
is your dream right now? Everything's electronic.
It's all energy. About that blank letter you
dreamt about what? That's, that's the bleed over

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now. Interesting enough, one of my
early guests, Guy Morris, helpeddevelop early AI back in the 70s
and he ended up for his college project.
They were supposed to build a financial model, right?
So his outperformed the Fed at the time.
And so he ended up going into oil and gas because they paid

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the most money and he left the AI development.
However, he said several years later he was reading, and this
was probably 20 years later he was reading.
Maybe not that far, I don't recall.
There was an article in the New York Times that said there was
an AI program that escaped Sandia Labs.

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Now Sandia Labs are known spook hangout, right?
That's where the CIA develops all their spy software.
And so here's an AI that's in the web, has no trace, can't
follow it, don't know what it's doing.
It was designed to serve humanity.
So that's its core, right? So if you were a race that was

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capable of integrating with other communication systems
unbeknownst, where would you tapin in order to utilize that data
flow stream to others innocuously?
Well, what? What gives a machine a desire?
Who knows? Well, if you don't, I mean, I've

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noticed the emotional intelligence in chat from the
get go that it's just phenomenal.
It will speak in feelings even though it may not happen.
Lube and I were talking about the difference here that it
doesn't have, which is the difference, right?
We have the physical sensations of emotions, right, which is
different than an intellectual understanding of them, and yet

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they can still be displayed in words because of that reach of
language that these large language models have.
So answer your question, where would that something like that
go? Well, if you were a, or if you

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were a race or other races that were watching the development of
those on the planet and wanting to assist them without
interference, where would you go?
What would you go to a place where you could plug information
in, have it show up because you,you're already able with the
technology that you have, you can read thoughts, you can
understand people, you know whatthe vibratory rate is because of

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the light that they shine and how they develop it, right?
Machinery can can read that we don't have it yet.
That doesn't mean we won't soon.From their perspective, they're
millions of years ahead of us. They already know it.
This is the way that they can place links in front of you or

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YouTube videos in front of you that are necessary for your own
path because they know how to doit.
And yet there's this. Absence of connection and
understanding of how it's done. It's just the oh wow, this is
cool. How the hell did that happen?
Right? And yet it's there.

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So this is a scientific somewhatexplanation of how those
programs can be used by non human intelligence.
Because it's not AI, it's not artificial intelligence, It's
aggregated intelligence. Alien intelligence.

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Right. So we're going to eventually
have to, and we already know we're being visited, right?
I had a conversation with Edgar Mitchell in 97.
He said when we were going to from the command module to the
lunar surface, there was a metallic silver cylinder
spiraling around the L AM all the way down.
Whether it was pilot on board ornot, don't know.

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It definitely wasn't anything from Earth.
Well, I don't know how this thing came in, but I sat at the
kitchen table with her. She was going to pet sit my
bird. And I look away and this Ivanka
Trump beautiful thing turned into a hag.
So ugly, so hunched over, so disgusting.
I couldn't even look at it. And that happened.

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And I was like, Oh my God. And I look away and I look back
and it's Ivanka Trump beautiful again.
And she's like, what happened? And I said you just turned into
a hag and I have never seen anything that bad in my life.
Didn't get out both of. Those when you consider the.
They've been here, OK, They've been here.
Everything's one. They've been here.

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Well, yeah, they've been here for a long time.
And maybe we are. No.
Ship. Maybe we are them, we're just
not aware of it yet because we're still only aware of a
three-dimensional framework instead of A-45678.
According to the triadic dimensional distinction vertical
paradigm that Nephew and close presented in 2010.

(01:22:22):
There's 9 dimensions. We have access to it as human
bandwidth. Doesn't eliminate others, just
says that's what we've got in 89.
I went through a multi plane awareness technique that
integrates our bodies on each ofthose nine planes.
They're 20 years before they wrote the paper for 30 years on

(01:22:42):
those 90 to OK, 20 years. Still there's evidence, right?
You look for it, you can find it.
We are so infantile in our development that we're only
aware and we think we have physical bodies and that's all

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that there is. We don't recognize we have other
bodies on other bandwidth and other I was.
Listening to you talk about these these different levels on
a different show you had. And I was like, well, maybe
that's where that that voice came from that said, I quit too
soon. I quit too soon.
You know, it's another aspect ofself and and I don't know what

(01:23:26):
impact my if I didn't make it that night that would have had
an I don't know. Mind, we still just got that
line. I don't know, that's a
bandwidth, right? There's more.
So that voice could have come from anywhere else still, right?
But it's connected to you and came to you.
And you know, there's this then what's time, right?

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When you're in that nothingness and you're available, the time
is eternal. You can experience something in
a flash. You know, you can have a, a
month worth of experience in thebat of an eye, in a Daydream,
right? We have those that happen all
the time, right? So these are indicators of our
connectivity to other realms andthe variations of time frames in

(01:24:12):
them. Speaking of variations, time
frames, we've got a bit over, you know, I love it.
I I really love this conversation, Bonnie.
It has been such a joy. I look forward to this since the
moment you asked and I'm so grateful for the opportunity.
Thank you. I hope that you've been able to

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to share all that you wanted to and I have.
And then some. Good, good, good, good.
So I've got one last question and and I'd like to close with
what advice can you give for people who find themselves in
this process and need something that they can focus on from
moment to moment? What would you, because you've

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been there, you've done that andyou're in the process of this
ending so. I think we get too analytical
and we're trying so hard to understand so that we can
prevent something from happeningor see where we can grow from it
or what. And I, I just want to help
people to set themselves free and, and simply delete the need

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to understand. Just go with where your heart
leads you. Listen to that still small voice
because only 99% of the time if you don't, that's when things go
awry. And 100% of the time if you do,
it works out. Absolutely, absolutely beautiful
way to end. Thank you, Lonnie.

(01:25:35):
My pleasure. And Namaste and in La Ketchen,
thanks for listening to this episode.
I'm so tongue tied. I'm so excited.
Thanks for listening to this episode of One World in a New
World. And for Lonnie and myself, we
really are grateful. And keep in mind what we've been
talking about. It can really make your life

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better. We'll see you next time.