Ep 204 What If We All Lived On One Planet - Together?

Ep 204 One World in a New World with Joe Weston💥 What if confronting conflict was the gateway to peace? 💥In this compelling episode of One World in a New World, Zen Benefiel welcomes Joe Weston, thought leader, executive coach, and author of Fierce Civility and Mastering Respectful Confrontation. Drawing on decades of experience in conflict transformation, Taoist alchemy, Buddhism, neuroscience, and global leadership, Joe offers a deeply grounded path forward in our polarized world.From navigating trauma to training NASA engineers, Joe’s work reveals how balancing head, heart, and core leads not only to personal alignment, but to sustainable peace in families, organizations, and nations.💡 What does it mean to embody courage in conflict?💡 How do we cultivate fierce compassion, not just politeness?💡 Can hope be a strategy?🎧 This is the episode for everyone seeking practical tools to restore human connection, dissolve inner polarization, and lead from wholeness.Connect with Joe: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-weston-a6327931/Joe's books: https://amzn.to/4kpfGdn#FierceCivility #JoeWeston #OneWorldPodcast #RespectfulConfrontation #BalancedLeadership #TransformConflict #GlobalHope #ConsciousDialogueJoin this channel to get access to perks:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuZl_29zHxehqeL89KSCWFA/join_______Assisting in harmony among people and planet: https://planetarycitizens.netConnect with Zen: https://linkedin.com/zenbenefielZen's books: https://amazon.com/author/zendorZen's Coaching: https://BeTheDream.com Zen's CV et al: https://zenbenefiel.comThe Octopus Movement (non-linear thinkers): https://theoctopusmovement.org Live and Let Live Global Peace Movement: https://liveandletlive.orgActivation Products: https://bit.ly/btdactivation

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Namaste and in La Quech and welcome to this episode of One
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Citizens Awakening the Heart andHumanity.
You can get that as a free download at
planetarycitizens.net. So thanks so very much.
Now this week's guest is Joe Weston.
He is an amazing gentleman. He just moved from the Americas
to the Netherlands. He is an author.

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His book Fierce Civility is something that we all need to
have in these times. I recommend reading it.
His other book is called Mastering Respectful
Confrontation, and we're all dealing with a lot of things in
life right now. We need to learn how to navigate
them effectively. It's a great resource.
He's the founder of Western Network.

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He is an executive coach, and he's also an adjunct professor
at Georgetown University, the School of Government.
So this is going to be a phenomenal conversation.
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Joe, it's so great to have you here.
I've been looking forward to this.
We scheduled it several weeks ago and you're just one of the
guys that I love to talk to. So thanks for coming on with
this. It's an honor to be here.
I'm looking forward to speaking with you too.
Thank you. Awesome well and as you know,
you know we explore the deeper side of life.
You know we've got 2 lives that we live an inner and outer.

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Both of them are usually separate.
We're seeking to merge those, which is how I believe we're
designed, but we've had challenges in doing that for
whatever reason. And we've been looked upon as
being odd, weird, you know, maybe insane because the kinds
of stuff that we experience inside is a bit different and

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it's hard to articulate sometimes and it's nevertheless
exciting when it happens. So understanding that, Joe, I, I
know just based on what I know of you, your work, having a
brief conversation with you before you're a deep guy, you've
had to have had some early introductions to this

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interconnectedness that we're talking about.
What was that like? It's a great way a place to
start. Go to the cosmic right there.
I love that well in. The early connection.
Right. Yeah, No, it's a so.
So I grew up in New York City and I'm very proud of, I grew up
in Queens, Flushing, Queens. And I, I, it really resonates

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with me and it really is part ofwho I am and it's part of my.
Story We're certainly not flushing the Queens now are we?
No, we're not flushing the Queens.
No, we're definitely. Not doing.
We're elevating them, I think. Yes, that's so much to say about
that feminine principle. We could do all of that.

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So, you know, my, as you mentioned, my work is called
fear, Civility and Respectful confrontation.
And I've done a lot of work in conflict zones.
And people ask why are you so attracted to conflict?
And I say it's not that I'm attracted to conflict.
But just being a New Yorker, I've, you know, every day living
in New York was an examination of conflict and confrontation.
So in essence, I've, I've been in it and I came from a pretty

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volatile childhood, sometimes violent.
So I was able to experience thatfirst hand to survive.
Recognition too, that something doesn't feel right here.
Yeah. Well, to 1st, the survival
aspect of it and then to also feel that there's that I'm
observing it. And that's I guess the first

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step. Zen, I would say, is that a
disconnect, right. And I think a lot of people's
stories is feeling not part of the family and not home and
feeling disconnect, which gave me the option.
Disconnect. Oh, pardon me, the interruption
because I I think we misperceivethe disconnection.
It's part of that observer's self that comes forward that we

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eventually realized, wow, this is a really good tool to have.
Yeah, thank you for the clarification.
Because actually from my Buddhist practice, you're not,
you don't. You never talk about detachment.
You talk about not being attached.
But there's a difference. So, yeah.
So I wouldn't say disconnection,but it I guess a a disconnection
from the drama, from that aspectof it where that did actually

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give me the opportunity to observe.
Luckily it was a survival mechanism.
And one of the things that I would observe is, is I would
just study and I would ask the question, why is it even though
we know better, even though we're a relatively intelligent
species, why do we still have arguments?
We think, will we still have arguments and fights and on a

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larger scale, crime and war and hunger.
So even as a boy, I was asking these questions.
There's something that doesn't make sense here.
It's a disconnect. And you know, and also my
parents were not very religious,but culturally religious and,
and not really understanding, not really seeing that.
But I always feeling in my heartthat I was connected to

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something larger than myself so that, you know, that was also a
survival mechanism. And that took me on my life's
journey, I guess, you know. And it was an important moment
as a young man where someone said to me, they said, I was
pretty wound up, Joe, you need to meditate.
And I'm like, oh, I couldn't meditate.
I couldn't sit still that long. And they said, what about Tai

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chi? That's like meditation in
motion. And I went and did a Tai chi
class and that changed everything.
It's so. You know, flowing and fluid and,
and it gives you that opportunity to just feel and
move in that sensation rather than the thinking, right.

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It's funny where we, there's a Greek word, Phaeton THETAN means
thinker. And it's the I had this really
weird idea in college. I had an experience, an
experience of so it left me questioning a lot of things and,
and one of them being where we got the word Satan from because

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I felt like I was being one, because I was, I was totally
outside the religious framework that I had been brought up in
and still felt like it was true.And so I went to the university
library and, and they, they havethese, you know, a through L&M,
through Z really thick, right? And the very first reference was

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the Greek phaeton, meaning thinker.
And I thought, wow, I had a it could have had AV 8, right?
And then it made so much sense. We are our own adversary.
Yeah, we are our own adversary. Or the name could have also come
from certain religions that wanted to not have us think for

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ourselves. Well, that's where we got
contrude to, right? If the Greek came before and
it's like oh wow, yeah we can spin this and use it, then
manipulate people with a fictitious enemy.
Right, right. And not seeing that, you know,
and just like anything and it there's enormous power in
self-awareness. I call it courageous self

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reflection that that's an important part of our
development. Is that because, because it
requires courage to really honestly look, it's easy to look
outside of yourself, but to lookwithin what you're saying, the
inner and the outer. And that's what the Tai Chi
eventually brought me. As you were saying, it helped me
understand the relationship between the inner and the outer,
the relationship of the yin and the young of flow and balance.

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And I actually had a moment based on what you're saying, I
remember walking through the streets of Manhattan, still a
young man and, and actually for the first time, I thought, how
many negative thoughts do I havein a day?
And I started tracking out of nowhere.
I just thought this, no one in my world ever would ask this
question. And I'd started tracking and I

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said, wow, about 90% of my thoughts were negative.
And then I it it's. You know 70,000 thoughts a day,
90% of them. How many thoughts are self
deprecating and and just being aware of those gives you the
opportunity to change them? Yeah, yes.
So that that gave me the opportunity to change them and

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which I slowly did, which which slowly I think I could say.
And I never really connected it.But that was an important
impetus that got me to say at a certain point I'm going to bum
around Europe for a year and decided to follow that joke and
ended up in Amsterdam and stayedfor 18 years.
And I've been here now on and off just.

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A short stay, right? I'm just talking to go spend a
month and hang out and those wow, this is so much fun.
I'm going to. I think I'm going to stay here
for a while. Yeah.
And I've kind of lived my life in that way is listening to what
openings are there, listening tothe rhythms.
And with a deep sense within myself of that I think I've
always had of where can I be of service?

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Sure. Now how let's get it into the
practical sense because we talked about this, you know, we
understand the energy, we understand the flow, we
understand the sensitivity. It's the practicality of the
definition of the activity that brings that.
What did you notice in your Johnthrough Europe, let's say, of

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how you were paying attention, observing the synchronicities,
the serendipitous moments, the connections and and how that
flow took place? Because I think this is
something that we all can use inorder to be able to recognize
the bread crumbs that we need tofollow to have a fulfilling
life. Well, I, I think for me, like I

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said, I think I'm just wired. I was wired that way to what can
I do to be of service? I think there was that my
background's actually in classical theater acting.
So I have that and I and I say and and I was doing semi
professional theater in Manhattan when I was still in
high school. So you had any masks you could
put on, eh? And well, we put the masks on.

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But what's interesting, when I started teaching acting, my
first course was called Yourselfas Instrument.
And that I say that, and this isall intuitive and I didn't plan
this for it. I didn't have a purpose.
I just planned. It just made sense to me that as
an actor you want to start, which is I didn't realize that
that's how spiritual practices also begin.

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But this idea that if I want to portray someone else, I have to
know myself and not realizing that, that's the essence of
understanding, compassion practice.
Absolutely. Yeah.
And and so in a sense, I was following these impulses, and I
always say that acting is the science of human behavior.

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So if there's anyone who understands human behavior, it's
actors, because that's what's what they're portraying.
Sure. And the the ability to navigate
situations, especially tense ones, yeah, comes in that
ability to to move, to be sensitive, to observe, to

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understand the behaviors that are present and then know how to
move those into more congruent, even harmonious situations where
that sense of togetherness can emerge.
Well, yes, and in this time whenI was in the in the Netherlands,

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I also was still practicing Maitechi and learning deeper
levels of Taoist alchemy and healing.
So understanding Taoism on a deeper level.
And that's here's where I met myTibetan Buddhist teacher I've
been studying with now for 30 years.
So this all has been part of my evolution.
And my very first training workshop, not workshop teaching

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from the scriptures of Tibetan Buddhism was Lo Jung, which was
the a compassion training, cultivating the compassionate
heart, Boritita. So again, all, all of these.
And then in this time, while I was doing all of these things, I
was asked to do a training for KLM called dealing with
aggression. Again, that just presented

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itself. And then I started and just
imagine we're talking about the early 90s that KLM was already
tracking that passengers were getting more aggressive.
Can you imagine that's that thatwhere we are now?
I just come out of the aerospaceindustry at that time in
America, where in the company that I was working for, I pushed

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for interpersonal skills classesbecause the management came to
me, asked me how I was doing my job.
Because I was the new kid on theblock in a 35 person department.
And I sailed at the top of the projection production charts
simply because of how I dealt with people, how I played with
people and, and had fun at work.And, you know, the rest of the

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guys were like, oh, you're not giving me what I want.
I'm going to beat you over the head or I'm going to go to your
supervisor. And you know that stuff just
doesn't work. Nope, no, it doesn't work.
I mean it well, I would say because that this is, I've been
doing this now for quite a long time, it it provides a temporary
solution. So it's a false illusion that it
works. Temporary and transitory,

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Absolutely. For the long term.
And I think that that's what we're facing in the world right
now isn't and that's the work that I'm doing.
It sounds like the work that you're doing and so many are
doing is to see that the temporary solutions are, are,
are are not sustainable. And that we're we're now coming
up with new strategies and skills and ways of approaching

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things in life where we have to look at the long term effects
and long term strategy. Do you see science coming out?
You mentioned the Dow earlier. I love the symbol, right?
I think everyone who sees that just kind of is enamored by it.
And yet it's a 2 dimensional, you know, we don't often.

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And I think contact brought thisout, right, that not
everything's two-dimensional. You can fold it in and it might
actually mean something more, right?
So in looking at that, and thesewere things that questions I
had, right? It was like, OK, what what else
might that? Because I was looking into
hydrogen at the time and it's the only one that doesn't fit
the Trinity model. And so hydrogen being the

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bonding agent for our DNA Helix,one thing powers the sun,
another thing most prevalent gasin the universe, third thing,
right. So in looking at that, I'm
thinking, well, you know, if youwere to look at the DNA Helix
from a top down view, knowing that light pulses are what drive

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our bus, so to speak, and what would it look like, right.
So you've got one side on, one side off, and the Helix is
represented in in those two inner circles.
And I thought, wow, how interesting.
I wonder if that's really true. I don't know, but it certainly

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sounds plausible, right? Or at least it gives another
dimension as to how to see ourselves and maybe understand
why these symbols were left originally.
I think what's interesting, what's coming up for me right
now is this idea of, you know, we're already there, right?
So if we're this evolving into so I'm, I'm you're, you're

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talking about two-dimensional, 3dimensional, 4 dimensional and
and more. We're already there.
That's my belief. I'm not saying it.
I don't know what. Yeah, we just got aware.
We're just not aware, that's all.
We're just catching up. The awareness is catching up.
You know, I'd say that's a falsething to say.
I say it's a false thing, Doesn't.
I'm not saying it's true. I'm just saying my truth is that

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it's a false thing to say. Come into the present moment.
We're always in the present moment.
We can't not not be in the present moment.
We're. Sometimes distracted, but we're
still. No present, our awareness has to
catch up to the fact that we're so it's not we're always in the
present. We just have to help our
awareness recognize what it means to embody being in the

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present. I guess, you know, on the same
thing. We're on all, all dimensions
already. It's just what we're doing.
And I, and this for me is like this is a we like, like what you
would do with a child if you know, it's, it's a young part of
us. I would say I would speak for
myself that isn't fully on grasping that and how can we
have the compassion of a parent to help that part of us catch

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up? Sure.
Because it's scary to be a parent first, you know, there's
kids raising kids today that youknow, my wife's a piano teacher
and, and she's dealing with parents with young kids and the
parents don't seem to really understand the dynamics of child
rearing and the, the intelligence that's, that's just

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budding there. That just needs the outlet,
right? The, the multi dimensional
aspect. I, I had curiousness about that
some time because my own experiences, I wondered and
gosh, this is 1988. I was introduced to multi plane
awareness technique that WilliamSwaggart developed back in

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1950s. And it was a facilitated process
that the experiencer would go through 9 planes of
consciousness and integrate their bodies on each of those
planes, right? And it's way out there, right?
It's like, you know, I'm sure the audience is going what?
So here's the interesting thing.When I got when I was preparing

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for my interview with Jeffrey Mishlov, I was going through
some old videos and interviews from him and I found a guy named
Vernon Neppe who was talking about the this is kind of long
triadic dimensional distinction vertical paradigm.
And so it was there he and Edward close had built a theory

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of everything quantum physics paper around the positing of
consciousness, space and time being tethered across 9
dimensions. So you got planes, dimensions,
kind of synonymous. So here's some science now that
backs up my experience, both of them, both the the technique and

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Nepean close said. OK, there's more.
It's just this is our limitation.
This is our human bandwidth thatwe have available.
Well, even you know, here we arein the third.
Imagine if we were aware of the 4th but alone the 5th and on up,
right, What would that give us the capacity to do in there?

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Yes, it is fascinating. And we're at that point.
I mean, I believe that like froma lot of communities I'm talking
to where you know, and I think that's what we're seeing.
I've been saying this now actually for almost 20 years now
in all my lectures. I I I start with.
The bad news is that the structures, the old structures
as we know them, are crumbling. The good news is that the old

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structures as we know them are crumbling and that and that
we're in this transition and that that's what we're seeing,
You know, we're seeing people, most people who don't have the
grounding and the trust in the process, I guess.
Well, that's. Tough to do right, because it's
a very tough They have to literally let go of their

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attachments to reality and suspend their belief system
completely in order to have a full experience and allow that
curiosity to be reflected in kind.
So as so as you know, as I was saying earlier that, you know, I
do a, a, a monthly global heart gathering online where we're

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training ourselves to be midwives, midwives for a system
that's dying away and, and midwives for a system that that
is emerging. And we're see it's already
emerging. And it's just a question of the
media. Doesn't, you know, the reason
why we don't see how much is emerging is because it's not
sexy enough for the media in a sense, Right, right.

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And. There's a sense of it beyond
everything. Now I'm, I'm curious as to, in
looking at this, we're, we're ina sense children growing up,
right? So we're going back to those
early stages of maturation and and picking the ball up and
moving forward with it. What are the kinds of things

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that you're noticing are the most impactful, maybe even
prevalent in this process that we're having to address in in
order to have that ascension, ifyou will?
I think, you know, it's interesting, what's coming to me

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now is to say, you know what people are talking about the
Aquarian age, that we're moving into that and with Pluto moving
into Aquarius and that that's a marker of that.
And, and for those who know about astrology, the opposition
of that is Leo, which representsin some level the heart.

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So I think that's the, that's where that, you know, the more
we can balance out the, the, youknow, the aquarium, what we're
developing into a, a more globaltribe, right?
We're, we're being forced to seeour global interconnectedness
and interdependence. And I talk about that in the
fear civility book, is that we can see the human family as a,
as a heart, the global heart. And how do we bring the how do

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we and the global heart's not well at the moment?
And that I would say the prognosis is that the reason why
it's not well is because it's been feeding on a diet that's
technologically overfed and spirit spiritually malnourished.
The the agenda's been profit over people and planet, and
we're flipping the agenda now topeople and planet over profit.

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It's not doing away with the profit because we still have to
have a Ways and Means. Exactly.
Although it's going to be adjusting.
It's it's, it's basically a the the, the global heart needs a
balanced diet. So it's that's so it's not the
polarity of one has to one or the other.
Of course we need the technological advances that
creates that is going to serve us.

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Oh yeah. And it is.
In this and and it is serving usin this global expansion and
ascension in a sense, but we have to integrate with an equal
balance the heart. So if when you're asking, where
am I, what am I seeing impact? Any opportunities that people
have to really cultivate and thefierce of fierce ability is a

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method to cultivate the skills and strategies of the heart.
And, and as we're shifting into a, a different way of being on
this planet, we need new skills and strategies, more upgraded
skills and strategies. And it's all about learning not
to just have a, what I call a Hallmark cardi, sentimental view

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of love and compassion, but the practical, down to earth in the
dirt, messy love and compassion.For instance, let me give you an
example dealing with, you know, you've got a group of people and
a vendor and, and there's this challenge there.
There's an issue that needs to be addressed and recognizing

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that the vendor's feeling defensive and, and, and
triggered, right because of that, because they want to
perform well. And the others saying no, OK,
wait a minute. We recognize you're feeling
defensive and, and that's OK, but that's not really what we're
about here. We're not trying to attack.
It doesn't feel good, does it? No.
OK, so let's not go there. Let's go to the place where we

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can figure out how to collaboratively solve this
problem together, and it just shifts the entire energy.
Yes, and that is it. You know, that can be that
simple. So just because you've brought
up aerodynamics inside, I've worked for, for 12 years with

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NASA with the respectful confrontation work and, and I
always managed to say in the workshop that what we're doing
here is not rocket science. I, I found that very funny.
They didn't laugh. They didn't laugh, but but one
time I did a training when the directors was there and he said,
Oh no, Joe, rocket science is easy compared to the science of
human behavior, of understandinghuman behavior and numbers.

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Are numbers are consistent, Theythey're concrete.
They they they say things you can interpret them differently
however they're non emotional. Yeah.
And it's in those simple things that we're going to emerge that
that that's the impetus it and it and it and it again, it

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sounds kind of hokey in a way. Not really, you know, there
there's evidence, right? There's all kinds of calendars
that that, that say, hey, here'sthe time.
This is what we're going through.
If you pay attention or you're, you know, you're curious enough
to look at the, the larger timelines.
Mayan calendar is another one. Jose Erguez was, I don't want to

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say a close friend, but a friendthat I'd known for years.
And one of our conversations wasabout this period, right?
Because I was curious what, whatis all of this Mayan calendar
stuff, right? Well, the whole idea is about
the evolution of consciousness. The, the last period, the last
26,000 years has been in this kind of Kali Yuga state and now

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in the escalation of consciousness there, the period
of that in between the Piscean and the Aquarian Age is a 50
year window. Now they he's it opened in 87,
closes in 2037. Well, in this period, there's an
escalation of consciousness and awareness that the apex was the

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solstice of 2012. Then after that, what happens?
Well, you've got the awareness, the consciousness, you carry it
with you everywhere, right? Harvecker says.
What you do anywhere, you do everywhere.
So you've got this, whether you're conscious of it or not,
you're carrying it everywhere. What's that do?
It changes the subtle energy everywhere you go.

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What's that do? Well, it rises things that
aren't congruent to the surface.For review right now, look at
what's happening with the world since 2012 and especially since
20/15/2016, right? All of these things that are
incongruent with our natural order, which is to love and be

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loved. They're all rising to the
surface for examination, and some are taking charge and doing
what they feel is necessary to help boost it.
All of which are helpful. We may not experience it as such
initially, and yet by maining, remaining, not attached to it

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and just doing what's in front of us to do, we all get through
it better. And that's really it, you know,
and then who, who said that we're all walking each other
home? Was that Ramdas?
And that's the compassion part of it.
So it's so to me, the answer is the heart.
And then and then the concrete manifestation of that, you know,

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I compassion in action and. I was going to say it from the
Dallas back to the heart in, in that the Dallas perspective
right there is what's desirable and what's undesirable and it's
that simple. And the heart basically would
give you that opportunity to sense how you feel in that

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moment and do the appropriate things to move that into a
better place or acknowledge the good place that it's intent,
right? So how does that in your work,
How do you manage that? What would the childlike
attitude be towards shifting that?

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I'll, I'll give you, I'm bringing up NASA again that you
know, and, and almost every training I gave, you know, or I
hear this often, not only at NASA, that at the end of the
training, I'll ask what are you,what's your biggest take away?
It's not other people do it. But, and one of the main things
that I heard was what I'm takingaway is that I never considered

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that some of the problems I'm having with my colleague, that
I'm contributing to that problemto me that my work is done
right. They don't like, you know,
right. So, you know, to plant those
seeds with someone for the firsttime to consider that I might be
contributing to some of my suffering is from because then

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they're going to shift somethingwithin themselves.
Hopefully they're going to that's going to influence the
people. Around their perspective has
changed, right? They're now saying, oh gosh, I
have a part in creating my own reality, right?
And and then to take it further,you know, with the fierce
ability work is, is, is considering why are we having so

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much external polarization like we're, we're, we're, we're in a
sense like we've never on some level seen before.
Well, the, the most effective way to resolve that is to look
at your own internal polarizations.
What are your own false polarities?
You know, I talk about polarization as being stagnant

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because in a sense it's like 2 Rams ramming.
Rams will never do this. Rams, what they do, it's quite
beautiful and powerful and on some level loving and playful is
they'll ram each other. The sound that you're like, I
can't believe they're doing thatand they haven't knocked
themselves out. They ram and then they shake it
out. They get disoriented and then

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they get reoriented and they come back.
And that's the metaphor I have with how we're communicating.
We, we get to, we, we, we like, I'm right.
No, I'm right. And we get disoriented and we
get stuck in that disorientation.
And with the codependence, right, we have this notion or
idea how other people think we should be, and we try to emulate

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that. Well, that's that that I don't
know if you had a chance to lookat my TE DX talk.
It's called a cure for chronic niceness.
So what's causing a lot of the stress in the world right now
and the problems is the extremesof either being totally passive
or chronically nice or being aggressive or.

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Politically correct, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, all of that,
all of it. And not speak up because it
might rock the boat. And we get and what we're seeing
play out is what's unfolding nowis people who are stuck in the
polarity of I only have two choices, either being nice and
passive or a bullying aggressive.
And that what fear civility doesis it cracks that open and says

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there are more possibilities. Here's a tertiary choice you
weren't aware of. And it breaks it open.
It breaks, it breaks it open. And so it helps us see the inner
pulp and, and so in this stat. So when the Rams are not doing
the healthy thing of ramming andthen disorienting and coming

(32:42):
back and that actually helps them grow their antlers, all
right, that that's their horns. There's growth in that.
There's, there's growth and, anddeepening of relationship in
respectful confrontation. But when we get stuck in this,
I'm right, I'm right. It's stagnant and so much
energy. We're seeing resources and

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talent and energy being wasted in in trying to just gain like a
little bit of like an American football a yard or two.
Well. Think of the construction
industry right? I I did partnering workshops for
multi $1,000,000 construction projects for a decade and 1/2
and man, these are some of the the most aggressive, egocentric

(33:27):
my way or the highway kind of guys.
And yet what's important is bringing it all to the focus of
the specs of the job. They have to need it.
The job is the boss and everybody wins that.
Well, now get that through. It's like, OK, so my agenda

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doesn't matter. No, it it matters.
It's just ancillary, right? So how what do you do on this
that needs support in order to work with the rest of the team?
It could be, you know, these areall stakeholders, managers,
supervisors, owners, utilities, fire, you know, Department of

(34:14):
Defense sometimes and you know, Homeland Security, all those
kinds of folks. And how do you bring those
together? Well, once you get that central
focus and you have a paradigm shift in that look, right, then
everybody just kind of relaxes and it's like, oh, OK, then all
we need to do is just look at the job fulfillment specs and,

(34:38):
and adhere to those and, and work things out, which are what
we did the in the sessions. We did the conflict resolution,
right? Usually it was an issue on the
job that was going to happen twoto five year schedules, right?
So they know when things are going to happen.
They don't, they aren't preparedfor it yet.

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So we flush those things out in the meeting and create an action
plan of who's responsible for what by when given to whom and
distributed. However, right when those
moments occurred in the schedule, there was no work
stoppage. They had a plan.
Right. There's flow.

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You've got the system back to flow the Organism.
Yeah. And that's so that the subtitle
of my book Fear civility is transforming our global culture
from polarization to lasting Peace.
And I bring that up to say that,you know, and it's all skills
and strategies of how to break the stagnation of of
polarization to get on the path and Ioffer a six step pathway of

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hope to get to lasting peace. But one of the key skills are
pivots, right? So you, you name that.
So and and Ioffer where we get stag stagnated, where we get
stuck in our polarization, mostly internal, and then offer
a pivot to break out of it. So in what in your example is a

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beautiful example, you are in the stagnation.
And basically, on some level youuse one of my pivots, you know,
because the stagnation that was being used was I'm right.
And if you have a different view, you must be wrong.
And I think we're seeing that play out.
Zen is what we're seeing is thatpeople, as long as people, the

(36:24):
need to be right is more important than the need for
solutions, We're never going to see changes.
What is it? The pivot?
What is you know right or happy?Which do you want?
Yeah. So I say the pivot of that is,
do you want to be right or do you want to be effective?
And that's what you're naming. He's like, come on, everyone.
You know, you, you, you may think you're right and you may

(36:46):
think you're right, but in the end we have to get this project
done. So what can, can you put that
aside for now and see if they're'cause then you'll find, and I,
I see this all the time. When someone says to me, I
disagree, I'll say, what parts of what I said do you disagree
with? What do you mean said, well, let
me start with a different question.

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Do you disagree with me 100% andeverything I said?
And then they take a mom and say, no, actually it was just
that one point. So basically only 5% of what I
said you didn't agree with, correct?
So by saying you disagree, you just accounted everything I
said. So that's already a shift.

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So let's now look at that one part that you don't agree with.
Let's discuss it and then we cancome up in that discussion.
We have specific ways of coming up with something that hasn't
even been born yet. Yeah, well, then you got to
communicate, right? And you know as well as I do the
number one fear on the top of the list is what?

(37:51):
Public speaking. Oh yeah.
So when you that's above death, dying, divorce, right?
What do you do with that, right?You've got to learn to open your
mouth and not feel like you're going to be diminished.
And in traditional environments,that's generally what happened.

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You would open your mouth and immediately be dismissed.
Right, well, I and I would say that, you know, you raise the
stakes, you have more to lose when what you, what you want to
speak of, you feel like you needto be right and to convince
everyone as opposed to like whenanother pivot is my truth does
not equal the truth. If we can really get that, then

(38:35):
we cultivate courageous self reflection.
We cultivate more independent critical thinking, and we can.
Find it this way I I I'm not sure if you do this.
This is my perspective. What do you think?
And that's all we can possibly do, unless we have already
reached that state that we talked about earlier of, of some
of the, you know, some great beings on this planet who, who

(38:58):
can, who are all seeing, who cansee it all.
If we haven't reached that state, then it's kind of
arrogant of us to say I'm right without questioning that you
can. Only you're not capable of
seeing at all. You're not.
You're not capable in this moment of seeing the truth.
Right. Well.
When you just. Came to the multi dimensional

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perspective we spoke of earlier,right?
There are so many other things that we're unaware of, can't
see, let alone experience. So where does that leave us
here? And again, the self deprecation
tends to want to kick in at thatpoint, which doesn't service

(39:40):
either. We just, I don't know and it's
OK. And how exciting I have
something new to learn. Yeah.
And that's that kind of mindset is what I'm trying to, I'm
trying to hold on to and what I'm trying to train people to be
in because it's because. I believe all the solutions are

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there, They just haven't landed yet, right?
And they're trying to find theirway in.
But in a rigid vessel, it's not going to come in.
So the more we can loosen up andbecome in our balance and flow
and, and, and be in emergent flow with each other, then the
solutions to all of our world problems will be born.

(40:24):
They'll be, they'll be here. There's no way of holding them
back. It's a matter of training
ourselves to get into that statewell.
In training or not, I think we're evolving regardless,
right? And whether we're being kicked,
dragged, screening, you know, whatever, it's still moving
forward. So wouldn't you rather, you

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know, enjoy yourself a little more and right have some
happiness and fulfillment And those things are so easy to have
and yet we put so many things inthe way through our own self
limiting thoughts and behaviors.Now how do we move into that

(41:11):
grander space that hey, I am andthe rest is possibility, right?
Kind of back to what Jesus said I am and that's it, right?
So where do we want to go with that?
That leaves us a tremendous amount of creative capacity to
make choices. Right.

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Yes. Now do you find that in this
looking at it from a systems andprocess standpoint?
Now, do you notice that the skill sets developed throughout
the lifetimes of individuals whothen recognize that, oh, I need
to make a shift in my life, otherwise I'm going to end up

(41:57):
really unhappy or dead, right? And or both.
So how do we shift that perspective into this new living
awareness that we have these this information available that
our curiosity can be answered when we learn how to ask and

(42:24):
shut up, right? How does that process, what do
you see it being in the evolution of what's happening
and taking those skill sets thathave been developed and then
applying them in a new way in this paradigm?
Shift, yeah, I think it's, I think the first thing is to give

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us all a break. That's another one of the pivots
is to give each other a break. Things have accelerated so fast
in the last 20-30, forty 50 years.
So fast. Three years with AII mean three
years. Yeah, this.
Is just so sorry so so so just to give us a break and to and
and to put it in perspective, you know, I, I don't we haven't

(43:07):
seen yet that's going to take another 50 to 100 years to see
the studies of the effect of personal computers on human
beings. It's only 30 years or 3035 years
that people have personal computers and then the Internet
and social media. We don't know yet the impact
it's going to have. It is having on us and will

(43:29):
continue to have on us. It's also new when you look up
the 4 billion years of the evolution of this planet.
And so I think that's the first step.
And things have moved very quickly.
And to me, the answer is always other, right?
So what And what I would say that the 50s and the 60s was

(43:49):
this is a very general way of looking at it, particularly in
in European and North American Western cultures was an
awakening, the breaking out of conformity and and for the first
time like personal discovery in a sense, the 70s was all the 70s
was a cosmic exploration of that.
The 80s and the 90s was self discovery and working on our

(44:10):
wounds and working on ourselves.And I feel that after those
number of decades, the time has come for more of us to to take
what we've learned in the retreat centers and, and give it
back to others, give it back to the planet, give it back to
others that the 21st century is about other and about.

(44:32):
Being on the mountain doesn't matter anymore.
You got to be with people. And because that's where things
have people are how things happen.
Yeah, can't do it without them. And the more cooperative and
collaborative the process, the better the results.
Yeah, So that's what we're discovering, you know, and I and

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you know, and for me, that's theanswer, you know, and in a world
system that's doing such a good job of keeping us dysregulated
and depleted and feeling powerless and feeling isolated
and alone. I say the most revolutionary
thing, radical revolutionary thing we can, rebellious thing

(45:16):
we can do is take care of ourselves and cultivate skills
that keep us the hard, the hard heartedness sought to soften and
to commit to deepening and cultivating relationships.
That that is the most radical thing we can do now.
And and and and that is where our our obligation is in what's

(45:41):
evolving. And for me, because of the
polarization, because of silos, that a key part of the work is
understanding that the key to our solution to what's emerging
is to find new alliances in surprising places.
Absolutely. And I think hoping anyway, the

(46:05):
work that I'm doing with planetary citizens and breaking
down the Co creation wheel, the 12 sectors of society that have
been operating mainly as silos. And yet with all of the the
research study available information and reality that's
not being spoken about. We have enough resources to take

(46:27):
care of everyone. We're not in a scarcity
situation, which is what has been promoted for so long.
That's an adversarial one. The, the oneness, the, you know,
we got everything. We just need to distribute it
better, which falls back into our leadership and how those
systems are crafted to be more respective of the Ways and Means

(46:56):
to provide for people. Because we're on one planet.
We got, you know, one air, water, land, right?
We got to learn how to share theresources.
Otherwise, we're, you know, fallinto a default, which is back to
the old, you know, conflict resolution kind of things that
just don't make sense anymore, frankly.

(47:19):
It doesn't make sense, you know,So, so we need new skills, we
need upgraded skills that at that and, and, and we need to
take a closer look at our own habits, viewpoints, habits and
patterns. I did this, I LED, I LED a group
through a meditation once of saying, 'cause you know,
everyone at finds can say very easily we're all 1.

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And I hear that a lot to particularly in spiritual
communities. But what is that actually in how
does it work? How does it work?
And I LED them through meditation.
So if we're all one, then that has to imply we're not separate.
If we're not separate, that has to imply that we're all
interdependent and interconnected.

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If we're all interdependent and interconnected, that means we
are in alignment with not only our loved ones, but our but
strangers and adversaries. If we are in alignment with
loved ones, strangers, and adversaries, then every pain and
suffering that every human beingor creature is feeling, we will
feel. If we feel every pain from every

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creature on this planet, there would be no hunger, right?
That that's mapping it right there.
So if you say we're all one, please do the map.
Sure. Well, here's going back to some
ancient materials, right The Vedas 15,000 years ago, written

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in Sanskrit. The gist of them are, were all
divine threads Incarnate, connected to source, capable of
God consciousness. Now what's that mean?
We're available to that infiniteintelligence specific to our
individuality and how it fits. And how glorious that is.

(49:14):
Isn't it? It's glorious, you know, when
you and if we. Yeah.
And how do we now? How?
Because we're in the process, you and I and others like us,
we're in the process of figuringit out.
Through, not. Only intellectually, but living
it right, which is that's where the rubber really meets the road

(49:36):
because this is all, it's a beingness, you know, we get
caught up in the Doo Doo and we get stuck.
We forget that it's the being that needs to arrive first.
Now, how does that understandingtrickle through in
organizational structures where there's a lot of processes and

(49:59):
procedures and all of the kinds of things that can initiate
conflict, and yet we want to avoid that as much as possible.
Some context good. It's necessary when you're
curious and, and you know, the two different aspects of
exploiting and expanding, right,where organizations get stuck

(50:19):
and, and they forget one or the other with that balanced
approach is the exploitation andthe expansion.
So how do we, how do you find inyour work that this can be
brought to bear in in an organization and, and or with
communities? Yeah, with so I see, I see an,

(50:42):
an organization, I see a community, a family, a human
being as an Organism. It's all organisms.
And the same way like we're learning neuroscience, you know,
how does an Organism which is a,a microcosm of a macrocosm,
right, the the whole ecosystem. So when you approach it from
that way, it's a living, breathing Organism, every
company, every organization. And you know, my work is

(51:07):
creating cultures of mutual empowerment, which is shifting
the work culture for lasting change.
So all my work is based on semantics.
It's not theory. It's all, as I said, taking
ideas into action, helping companies understand.
That visceral experience. Visceral experience that, that

(51:29):
another, another pivot in my work is people don't change,
they transform, right? So, so where we, that's where we
get stuck and people suffer and where organizations fail is that
we expect them. We come up with a policy, we
expect everyone can change or ingovernment or in a family unit
or we're in communities. We, we, we implement a policy

(51:51):
and we don't take the time to have the compassion and the
curiosity to support someone psychologically through that
transition. And that's where the disconnect
is. And so I'll go into an
organization and I'll borrow from what I've learned so much
from, from Chinese healing and, and energy work is to get
assistant to thriving. You first have to see where the

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system is out of balance. Then you restore the balance.
You may you, you create a systemthat maintains stability.
And with the restoration of balance and maintaining
stability, you create a foundation for thriving.
And that the noticed the the most challenging and.
Sustainability. Rivability.

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Rivability. There's a huge difference there
because the, the distinction being we've been all of the
science and concern and the climate change and all this kind
of stuff has been about sustainability.
And so the focus has been about avoiding or fixing or retarding

(52:57):
or, or you know, it seems kind of retarded that they asked me
because they were not looking at, OK, how do we thrive?
How do we get to a place where we are operating as one?
We understand it intellectually that it's there.
How do we step into that? Right.
Yes, and that a thriving system is a system where the individual

(53:21):
is, is durable, is, is, is resilient and where the
interpersonal connections are, are resilient.
And resilience of course means that they're strong and
flexible, right? And that that's 'cause then, you
know, and that's a lot of the resilience work with individuals
and companies is how do you create a, an internal foundation

(53:43):
or scaffolding so that when the storms, the external storms
come, they can withstand the, the storm and, and, and yeah.
For education and yeah, we got to weather the storms, right?
No matter what, whatever trials and tribulations come, we need
to be able to move beyond them now from a structural standpoint

(54:06):
in that educational process, right?
The assessment of where an individual is at at the
beginning, we often, one of the things I admire so much about
the Russian educational culture,at least the Soviet, I'm not
sure what it is now. My wife was a piano pedagogue

(54:29):
from that was trained in the Soviet system and they got her
at five years old. They did an assessment.
OK, what's your skill set? What's your attitude?
What your aptitude is? OK, so based on what we've
found, you get 2 strands. You can go in either gymnastics
or piano. She chose piano.

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She went through the the educational system as a
pedagogue, which is far more than just a teacher, and
graduated from one of the most prestigious music school, music
schools in the world as a result.
Now, we don't do that in America.
We still have to, in order to take someone anywhere, we have

(55:10):
to 1st figure out where they're at, right?
And and then be able to design ways for them to ascend on their
own with support. Now, how do you see that
happening? Because this is a critical
factor even in HR that's avoided.

(55:31):
We've got the disk, we've got the Colby, we've got the Myers
Briggs, we've got all this kind of stuff and human design even
now. And yet, how do we structure it
so that these are these tools can be used effectively to
nurture the whole? I think it's shifting.

(55:53):
I think it is shifting. And I think the millennials and
the Gen. ZS will not let us get away with
it anymore the way we've been doing it right.
Because for them, it's very muchwhat me, you know, really starts
with them outward. I don't.
I hope that doesn't come across as a judgement, but that's my
observation. Well, self love first, right?
And self love is not judgmental.It's taking care of yourself

(56:15):
before you can do anything for anybody else.
And I think that's, you know what, and I, I talk about 20th
century leadership was hierarchical where there was a
lot of structure top down. And I say 21st century is
becoming more circular where everyone is at the table.
But 21st century leadership doesn't mean that it's
consensus. It does mean that you're an

(56:36):
effective leader if you can, if you take the time to hear the
perspective of everyone involved, because everyone has a
different reflection. That goes back to what you're
saying about the Vedas, right? Everyone has their every human
being has their unique contribution to shine divinity
to one another, right? We have our own unique.
So in a sense, in an organization is the same thing.

(56:57):
Every person at different sectors from the organization
will have information necessary to to make the most informed
choice. So a a great job of illustrating
the the chaotic organizations tobegin with, the flat line right
where you've got the tasks, you've got the skill sets and
they find each other. Yeah.

(57:18):
So I think that is emerging where, where, where I think that
it's going to be more that senseof, you know, and I talk about
that and important part of to, to resolve our issues and to get
to more collaborative buy in andto get to a culture of lasting
peace. It starts with meeting people
where they are. If you want to take people on a

(57:40):
path of transformation. Cause in a sense, I always say
that with the work I've done around the world with women's
rights groups in the Middle East, is that if you want to see
people shift their, their way oftreating one another, they're
not going to change, They're going to transform.
And what transforms our viewpoints, habits and patterns?

(58:00):
People will not transform their viewpoints, habits and patterns
voluntarily if you're not creating an environment of
safety and trust. That brings us right back to the
compassion of a parent, right, of this.
And and so meeting people where they are is saying, I'm not
asking you to be something different than you're not
because I mean, that's what we're seeing play out a lot in

(58:21):
the world is I'm asking you to be something you're not.
And they're like, I'm not doing that you to say that, but to say
I see where you are and I have avision of where we can go.
Are you willing to go on the journey with me?
Yeah. It's a sense that, you know, you
provide the psychological safetyand intellectual humility to be

(58:46):
able to nurture that relationship.
Yeah. And that that on some, that's
what's going to help us all shift into a consciousness that
we are already in. We just, there's just the part
of us that hasn't caught up yet.So what are the kinds of things

(59:06):
that generally we can do as an individual, as a person,
regardless of where we're at? Because like, you know, again,
what Harvey Ecker says, what youdo anywhere, you do everywhere,
what can we do to help boost ourawareness?
I think it's doing it as we're saying is if you believe these

(59:29):
concepts of we are all one. If you believe in love and
compassion is to is to just check yourself in a moment to
moment basis was how much of my thoughts are really love and
compassion? How many of my words is really
love and compassion, and how many of my actions?
And if you can start transforming your thoughts,
words, and actions into love andcompassion, then you be

(59:51):
compassion. You are compassion in action.
That's the process. Sounds very simple, but I often
say it is that the problems are very complex.
But you can't solve complicated problems with complicated
solutions. It just complicates it.
The solutions are really very simple, very simple.

(01:00:12):
Implementing the simple solutions is hard work.
Very much so because that counters the frustration, pain,
suffering, trauma that is often brought into situations that are
the inhibiting factors because there's there's this whole
history or herstory, depending that's brought into an

(01:00:34):
environment that has to be, you know, we can't separate
ourselves, right? The old adage, why you leave
work at work and home at home, you're one person.
That's impossible. So to finally recognize that and
realize, oh, there are other aspects of our lives that we
have to help nurture because they're affecting our thoughts,

(01:00:58):
behaviors and actions, Yeah. Yeah.
So that's the internal work. And I would say a fun game to
play is to do. And this is the meditation I do
in the global heart gathering isto, to do an inventory.
Who are your loved ones? Who would you consider loved
ones on your list of 8 billion people on the planet?
And, and, and to approximate a number, people closest to you

(01:01:22):
who are your adversaries and approximate a number.
Now who are your strangers? And I'm going to guess for most
of us that the number of strangers on our list is close
to 8 billion, certainly more than 7 billion.
So for me, there's not a single day that can go by that you
could not take a moment to connect with a stranger.

(01:01:44):
And that can and, and it doesn'tmean you have to give them a
hug. Doesn't you don't have to really
truly engage, but even if you'resitting on a bus to just give
that person a blessing or to smile.
If more of us connect, made a mission to find alliances in
surprising places, to engage with more strangers, invite them

(01:02:06):
into our loved ones category, then we will see a shift on the
planet. Yeah, yeah.
And another example is that, youknow, you walk into a room and
you happen to catch somebody's eye.
Well, that's an indication that there is a flow of energy there
that ought to be explored. So go do it, right?

(01:02:29):
Most of us are like we're oblivious, right?
You, you, you catch an eye. Oh well, you know, you're on to
the next person or whatever. Therein is that awareness
perspective you're talking aboutof stepping back, observing and
being closer to the heart. No rush intended and and every

(01:02:51):
rush intended that this process then can untold because I
guarantee you explore it. You're going to have an amazing
experience, even if it's only for that short time, because we
tend to. And would you agree that we tend
to, when we have those experiences, we tend to want to
extend them instead of just recognizing it's a moment,

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embrace it, and then move on. I see it the same way.
And you know, and again, if you look at it from the game of Wow,
there's 7 billion plus people. I don't have the time to, to
stay attached to one person. I've got to move on in a sense.
And if, and that's, that's following the impulse, because
that's the other thing is how much are we in relationship with
what's unfolding around us? And how do we dance with that?

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Right. And and then you feel, if you're
intuitive enough, you'll feel that was a moment.
It's 10 seconds and it's over and you move on.
But at that moment, if that situation calls for more
attention, you follow it until it doesn't.
Now sensitivity bring up something I find just really
fascinating because I'd go to the major depths with that about

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our bodies. Bodies are transceivers.
We're not taught to recognize them.
You speak to the heart. There's a indigenous philosophy.
It's called the three brain system, the gut, the heart and
the head. First brain is the gut.
It's connected to all the vibrations.
The chakra system edifies that the heart is the dowel, right?

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Desirable or undesirable. It's the second brain.
It's where we choose, you know, at least have an indicator of
what to do with it. And then we move into the head,
which is the third brain, which allows us to make more
appropriate choices based on paying attention to more clear
information. Right.

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Yes. Now in that process, do you find
that the level of sensitivity? And I'm going to break that down
to the cosmic move through spacethat we're in, right?
We've gone into a new area of space.
Many call it the photon belt, orsome call it the photon belt,
where the vibrational frequency is slightly different, maybe a

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little higher in a frequency range than it was.
That affects us subtly, bringingour own awareness, our own
sensitivity, our ability to sense and feel to a higher
degree. Now what do we do with those new
things that we sense and feel? You know that anxiety we feel in

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the gut may not be anxiety at all.
It may be anticipation or a quickening to get ready to
something else is coming. You need to be aware right Where
most of us feel that anxiety andwe take it to a fear based place
of bullshit. What's going to happen now?
Right? 99% of our fears never manifest,
so why do we waste our time withthem?

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How do we do this right? Do you see that sensitivity
coming up? Is it just a matter of more
aware, bringing out the conversations, allowing it to
take place, having exercises that stimulate it?
I'm sure, yes, all the above. What are the things that you
find maybe most useful in this process, given that slurry of

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things I just delivered? No, it's, it's remarkable what
you're saying. Yeah, this is the, this is the
essence of my work. Then actually is, is, is
training people to come to the court.
I mean, I didn't invent it, but to understand what alignment of
head, heart and core is. And again, I'm going back to my
answer for everything is balance.
Is that when we can come into a balanced alignment where all

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three are equally working together in balance with equal
amount of attention that we're giving to it, then all of our,
all of our actions will be wise.And because we're so trained in
our current culture to be in ourheads, we don't have to focus on

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that. We got that part down.
And there are many of us who arevery heart centered.
And you can see it the way, you know, I, I watch body language,
you can see the head people, they lead with the head.
The heart people are like, hi, like that.
And then there are people who are too much in their, in their,
in their core, in their lower chakras, who lead from their
pelvis in a sense. So my work is really focusing on

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the body and the core to just tobring that into balance.
And then when you can balance the head with the core,
certainly the heart gets naturally activated.
And a lot of it is understand is, is giving the people the
awareness and it's for me as well.
I'm still discovering this, thatthe body has a vocabulary.
The body is always giving you wise information.
It can't not. The heart is always giving you

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wisdom. The body is always giving you
wisdom. And it's all connected.
It's all connected. You know, the.
Yeah, I was. So my life's been kind of a
cosmic history of shorts of sorts.
You know, I feel like the I've been on the magical mystery tour
for the majority of it and meeting my wife for the first

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time. It was an interesting all kinds
of indicators leading up to a dreams, visions, people, places,
things. And I met her at her of all
places. Kundalini yoga teacher training
graduation. Oh, OK.

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So that gives you an idea of where the balance in this woman.
You know, the understanding of the depths of because really
goes deep into the understandingof the chakra system and the
energy and and focus and mergingthat oneness with the being
right perfect partner, because this has been my life as well

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and wonderful. You know it only took 59 years
to find her. And you found her.
It's wonderful. And I found her and life just
exploded after that. It's just amazing what a perfect
partner. And we all have them.
Sometimes we latch hold of people thinking, oh, this is my
soul mate. Because you have that sacral,

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right attraction and you recognize that it's just sacral
and you got to come up, you got to get your gut in your heart,
right? And otherwise, if that's not
there, it's only going to be short term and you're going to
learn what you need to from themin order to advance to the next,
hopefully. Or you can get stuck.
That's your choice too, right? How do you see these kinds of

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relationship factors coming in where there's there's more
knowledge, acknowledgement and maybe even efforts to bridge
that inner and outer world with the resonance of a partner

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that's more designed to fit yourenergy as well for you both to
fit because there's a mutual attraction there, if you will, a
resonance well. I think I said that the answer
is the other, right? You know, we, if, if, if one
person could have transformed this world, that would have
happened. So you know, it's, it's, it's

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about, it's always about coming into connection and resonance
and, and to, to find, you know, one or, or, you know, to that
small circle that not only abouta lover, but just about the
small circle of people that, that where you ignite each
other, you, you inspire each other and you're also fiercely
honest with each other, right? You can.
You can have the and you have to.

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Prepare for that. You got to be fiercely honest
with yourself first. You got to find that essence of
self love to be blatantly honestwith yourself, not judgmental.
No, just honest compassion and curiosity.
Yeah, exactly. And then the rest of it just

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seems to happen. You know, for me it took a bit
longer because they had a practice marriage and I've got
kind of wonky about what I thought relationships ought to
be. And then I realized, Oh well,
the relationships are on the ocean of emotion and we're all
just seeking safe harbor. Beautiful.
So could could you interpret what you're saying that you get
out of your head and into your heart?

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I think it was more emerging of the three being sensitive, aware
and observant and and curious. And following impulses.
Yeah, yeah. Which which animals do all the
time, right? Most creatures on this planet do

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it all the time. Well, you begin to recognize
certain you. You begin to recognize certain
impulses, right? Some of them aren't healthy, no,
they only lead you to a certain place and that's it.
However, when you begin to at least look for that, because you
can feel it, you can sense it inyour body when you begin to pay

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attention, yeah, this is all part of that inner development
that has to take place before the outer can change.
And it and it's happening. Dramatically in process.
Yeah. And it's always process, but I
don't think there's an end result.
I don't even know what that would look like in a sense.

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Everything. And that's the cool thing to
think about, right? Everything's just a process.
Yeah, it's so releasing, right? Well, if, if Mother Earth can
sit around for 4 billion years doing what she's doing, we could
learn a little bit there. And I think that's really what
it is, is that, you know, from what I hear from a lot of

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circles that she's evolving, she's raising her frequency and.
That's the area of space, right?It's a natural.
And when you think about it, we are the earth.
The earth, you know, Stardust, right?
Everything that we eat from the earth.
So these are all things that there's so much

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interconnectedness we are takingfor granted.
We don't even think about what if we did.
Yeah. What could you offer that on an
individual basis, moment to moment something that might I

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start to say trigger? I don't necessarily want to pull
1, you know, I'm game, just don't shoot me, right?
Would you be able to offer something that can be a benefit,
a simple thought or an activity or something that a person can
use on a daily basis when they begin to catch themselves?

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I, I think what an important message for me is like I talk
about the six step pathway of hope.
I think we're in a moment right now where a lot of people are
losing hope. And in fact, there was a Gallup
study that just came out recently where they questioned,

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they stayed, they asked workers from 52 different countries,
from different demographics, what do you need from your
leaders? 56% said hope so.
So and I'm not talking about a false aspiration of hope.
I'm talking about something that's very real and practical

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that that that brings about manifestation.
Yeah, here's what we could do. Here's the plans to get there
when a help. And hope for me is yeah and
hope. Hope is about activating
possibility. So if there's one thing I think
we can do is do our own internalpractice of what if we're losing
hope? What can we do to activate hope
again? And I, and it's what I call

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become catalysts of fierce hope.How can we be catalysts of
fierce hope to whoever we're engaging with in some way, be
fierce hope so we can activate in them their own sense of hope?
Yeah. Oh, that's awesome and and so

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well played Joe, I thank you so much for the time we've had
today. This has been just a a wonderful
jaunt into collective awareness and and shared space.
It's been remarkable. Thank you.
Thank you for taking me on this journey.
It's been a, it's been a joy. It's been a joint journey.
We took it, you know, we locked arms and we went together.

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We did. That's a great thing about it.
So thanks so much, Joe. I appreciate it.
And Namaste and in lockets. Thank you all for sticking with
us for this episode of One Worldin a New World.
And by all means, don't forget to go to planetarycitizens.net
and pick up your copy of Planetary Citizens Awakening the

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Heart of Humanity. It offers that hope We just
spoke about do that. It'd be good for you.
Thanks again for Joe and I. I'll see you next time.