July 28, 2025 • 67 mins
Ep 205 One World in a New World with Jennifer Jurkofsky 🌌 What if your sensitivities weren’t weaknesses—but keys to expanded consciousness?In this soul-stirring episode of One World in a New World, Zen Benefiel welcomes Jennifer Jurkofsky, psychotherapist, podcast host of Twillow Talk, and founder of My Holistic Self. From her early experiences of intuitive perception to her deep work with consciousness, trauma healing, and interdimensional contact, Jennifer brings wisdom from both the seen and the unseen.Together, they explore what it means to hold the “both/and” of being human and beyond—how we navigate our multidimensional nature while tending to our human heart.💡 Are we truly alone in our thoughts and feelings?💡 What if anxiety was an invitation to self-awareness and soul awakening?💡 Can loving and being loved be the most powerful spiritual technology of all?🎧 This episode is for the sensitives, the seekers, and the star-born. A grounding reminder that your wholeness is sacred—and welcome.Connect with Jennifer: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennifer-jurkofsky-06942543/Jennifers books: https://amzn.to/3ZKi9GG#JenniferJurkofsky #OneWorldPodcast #TwillowTalk #MultidimensionalHealing #SacredSensitivity #EmpathAwakening #BeyondBeingHumanJoin this channel to get access to perks:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuZl_29zHxehqeL89KSCWFA/join_______Assisting in harmony among people and planet: https://planetarycitizens.netConnect with Zen: https://linkedin.com/zenbenefielZen's books: https://amazon.com/author/zendorZen's Coaching: https://BeTheDream.com Zen's CV et al: https://zenbenefiel.comThe Octopus Movement (non-linear thinkers): https://theoctopusmovement.org Live and Let Live Global Peace Movement: https://liveandletlive.orgActivation Products: https://bit.ly/btdactivation
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Namaste and in Laquettes and welcome to this week's episode
of One World in a New World. I'm your host, Zen Benefiel and
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download on planetarycitizens.net.
Now this week's Jet guest is Jennifer Tchaikovsky, and she is
an amazing woman. We met through Beyond Being
Human, which is a collective that is addressing the
extraterrestrial presence and our relationships with them and
the kinds of abilities and things that come conversations
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basically that come from that ofthe internal experiences of
contact and what those are like.She is a registered
psychotherapist in Canada, so she's perfect for that
helpfulness. She has her own business called
My Holistic Self and she is alsoa podcast host for Twirler Talk,
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which is a podcast that relates to the very subject of the inner
and outer relationships. So we're going to have an
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human experience. Jennifer, it's so great to have
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you here and I really am lookingforward to this conversation.
Thank you so much. Thank you very much for having
me. I'm super excited for our
conversation today. I know our previous ones have
been absolutely amazing and it can only grow from there.
Absolutely. Absolutely.
So, you know, I mentioned the we're bereft of understanding
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how to bridge these inner and outer worlds for the most part.
Some know that those are rare and few and far between in that
respect. I know that in order for you to
have gone down the path that youhave, there's had to been some
early understanding of the interconnectedness of all
things. What was that like for you?
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When how old were you and what were the kinds of things that
were going on in in your life and and how was that accepted or
rejected from those around you? That is a great question.
So for me, from a very, very young age, I knew that there was
more. More than what we see with our
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regular senses, more than what we think is there or what we're
told, right when we come into this life, we get very
conditioned very early on. And a big part of my process,
because I could see things as a child, I knew that there was
something more than what the rest of the world was
experiencing. I wanted to know what that was
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about and so I started. Radical curiosity.
Absolutely. And and that sent me on, you
know, all kinds of exploratory journeys and trying to figure
out what, you know, what was going on.
Why was I having these dreams and then having them come true?
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Why was I seeing things in places where other people said
there was nothing there? Why did I have these sensations
that told me things were happening or to watch out for
this or that, and nobody else around me was having those
experiences? It sounds like you were just
really hyper sensitive to the world around you and those you
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know, this is a it's a rare occurrence.
I don't. As children, I think most of us
have that. And then it's kind of nurtured
out of this in some way because parental understanding isn't
there. And and so they're these
imaginary friends and so on and so forth, right?
And as kids, we think it's all normal, so we don't really talk
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about it. How did you first figure out
that? OK, there's something else going
on here and maybe I need a little help in trying to
understand it. Yeah, maybe not the typical kid.
I talked about it. Yeah.
And. So awesome.
Yeah. And I as a child, you know, my
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mom would say, yeah, I, I see stuff too.
So it was kind of normalized in that way.
But it was some of the stuff wasnot pleasant and not something
that I wanted to see your experience.
And as much as my mom, you know,was able to say, yes, OK, I see
that as well. There wasn't really any support
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or understanding as to what to do with it or how to navigate
it. So I did get to a point where I
said I don't I don't really wantto see any of this right now.
I don't well. It's like, you know, you think,
gosh, it would be so cool to read people's minds, right?
And then that opportunity is like, wait a minute, I I didn't
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know. I don't want this.
Now what is in your mind is noneof my business and I like it
that way, absolutely. So in, in those moments when you
were, you know, working with your awareness and, and how as,
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when do you, when did you noticethat there was this ability that
you had that was also shared by your mother and that it was
quite unique in the overall scope of society at the time?
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Yeah, I think to what you were saying though, you know, with
the child piece and not really knowing, you know, I would talk
about it and friends would talk about imaginary friends and all
of that. And so I didn't think very much
of it being different in that way other than not everything I
saw was my friend, right? And so there was that piece, but
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it wasn't really, I would say, until I was much older and I
started to explore all of the different belief systems.
And I wanted to really deep diveinto what was going on and what
I was experiencing that I had myaunt who also has experiences
and, and all of that come into my life and say, I think it was
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about 12 or so at the time and say, yeah, this is, this is
different. This isn't something that
everybody experiences. And started to help me navigate
that a little bit better. Still not very open to it at
that point because I didn't wantto be different.
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Didn't want. To right at those ages, you
know, the socialization, We justwant to fit in.
We want to have fun and fit in. Exactly.
And at that age, you know, I don't understand that this is
something unique and special or a gift of any kind.
And so again, that piece of I don't, I don't want to do
anything with this or understandthis or navigate this at this
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point in my life. And through my own, I, I always
still longed for more. That was never an issue.
I, I, you know, I would start going to church and I would try
to, you know, I went to the mosque, I went everywhere
because I wanted to know what the Moor was.
Sure. And those are the areas of
exploration that were available right at that time.
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I mean, there is some age difference with us, but still,
you know, there wasn't a whole lot of esoteric realms or, or
organizations available. Most of it was organized
religion of some form, whether it was Buddhist, you know,
Hindu, Christian, Islamic, Zoroastrianism, all those
different, you know, Dallas and all of those kinds of things.
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And yet, did you find a congruence or some golden thread
throughout the mall that you could identify?
Absolutely, but that came later.Yeah, it actually took a.
Well, it does take time. You know, we, we almost, we're,
we're so impatient and we want things right now, especially in
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the West and the East. Not so much in the West, though.
It's MC enlightenment, right? It's like drive through, you
know, pick up your stuff and go.Doesn't work that way.
It's a maturation process. No.
And, and what really has come interms of this unified thread
that's gone through all of it issomething that the mind doesn't
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necessarily like to hear. And it's definitely something
that the Western mind doesn't like to hear, this idea that we
have to take a step back and we have to step out of the mind and
into the heart, allow ourselves to connect to the oneness that
is there through all things. And it's through that connection
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and surrender to that connectionthat we actually open to all
possibility. Yeah, I totally agree.
And the what I find interesting too is that, you know, we have
this maybe not global, but at least far reaching understanding
of oneness, right? We we've recognized the
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interconnectedness or at least intellectually and yet, all
right, so we're all what what's that mean, right?
How does that trickle down and threw us individually experience
I had we spoke of on your show earlier of the awakening I had
in college that I came back understanding we're all cosmic
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consciousness condensed into form, just unaware.
Well, that was the first time I'd experienced that.
So I had to go find corroboration.
And the one place that I'd foundit was in the Vedas, which are
like 15,000 year old Sanskrit poems.
And essentially what they say isthe same thing.
We're divine threads, Incarnate,connected to source, capable of
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God consciousness. Now we hear that especially in
the West. All that's blasphemous.
Well, if we're creators in embryo, if we're sons and
daughters and what are we when we grow up?
You know, there's this natural progression of things.
That doesn't mean we're all, youknow, the all powerful creator
of the universe. It means that we are in charge
of our own lives and the realitythat we create and that we have
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infinite intelligence available to our specific life path and
the curiosity that we have towards it.
Do you find that to be true also?
Absolutely. Even in in the Bible, right in
the beginning was the Word, thatability to speak creation.
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Everything that we say, everything that we put out that
makes sound sound, is a creativeenergy.
Spell cast. Exactly, exactly.
And so. Or witches and warlocks and
don't even know it right? But it's but it's true when we
talk about that in the image of God, it's not that God looks
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like this in the image of in theimage of God, in the image of
that source energy is that ability to create, that ability
to bring forth that ability to manifest things in our
experience. And what ends up happening is we
manifest the experiences that wehold onto.
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And So what I'm, you know, when we, when we talk about where
we're at, at any given moment inlife, if we're focusing on the
things that are really hard and the things that are difficult
and, and the struggles that we have, that's what we end up
staying in versus if we are ableto bring in that gratitude, if
we're able to bring in that love, even when things are
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really hard, we have capacity for that other energy.
So like. Attention and awareness
combined, right? Absolutely, absolutely.
I had a new transmission come through and it's almost ready.
It's called spheres of consciousness.
And so, you know, there's all ofthis in so many different
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traditions. They talk about these ladders of
consciousness and how we can go from, you know, fear down here
to, you know, love or joy up here.
And there's this whole concept in the world today that we
somehow, you know, have to be always up here, and we have to
have our vibration up here. And so all of these other
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experiences are bad, and we can't have them in our
experience. And it's like, OK, but we're
here to have a human experience.And so we can't negate a whole
part of who we are in order to think that that's what ascension
is. That's not at all what that
really means. And through this new model of
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having a sphere of consciousness, we recognize that
those dense core energies are always there.
But as we expand out from them, we learn new ways to deal with
them. It doesn't mean that they
absolutely disappear and they'renot a part of our experience
anymore, right? It just means that we've
expanded and our capacity has shifted.
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Doesn't mean that we don't ever get angry or upset for that.
We don't still have difficult things that we have to deal
with. Absolutely.
Way of navigating it shifts and changes.
And it also gives us the opportunity to observe
ourselves, right? That self examination, the
mirror that we're, you mentionedearlier that we're kind of
afraid to look into because of what we might see.
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And yet the whole notion of selflove is to embrace all of that
without restriction, without judgement or condemnation or
criticism of ourselves 1st. And unless and until we can get
to that place, we can't really do it with others fully, right?
There's always something amiss or something that we're
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resistant to. And and it seems like there's so
many different systems that edify what you were talking
about the scale right from Sophia Geo tones, one of them
Hawkins scale, spiral dynamics, all of these kinds of layers.
And then there's the nephew and closes theory of everything
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paper triadic dimensional distinction, vertical paradigm
that says consciousness, space and time are tethered across 9
dimensions. Doesn't eliminate the others
just said this is our human bandwidth.
Then there's the experiential side of that, the multi plane
awareness technique that was developed by Wayne Swaggart back
in the 50s and that takes a person through 9 planes of
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consciousness, integrates your body on each of those planes,
which you know that sphere, right it that.
So there's these different vibrational layers that
ultimately when you ascend, it brings a certain amount of
release from the self deprecation of those 70,000
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thoughts a day that we have that90% of probably, you know, self
deprecating that begins to diminish.
And the more we increase in vibratory level, the more
conscience we have and the greater moral fortitude we had
perfection we have in that whereit's completely life friendly
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and we don't do anything that could damage another.
Now in those frameworks, let's let's understanding that.
All right, then we've got the extraterrestrial side.
Are you ready to go there right now?
We call them extraterrestrials that I, I think it's more intra
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dimensional because of the way that they're able to navigate
and you know, they have a highervibratory rate at different
races have different vibratory rates, all of them higher than
ours because they get the understanding of the
universality of things. But it's all energy now.
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How have you noticed in your work that those who have come in
contact with that in various ways, shapes and forms, how do
they deal with that? What are the kinds of things
that come up that are challenging their previous
belief system and confronting them in some ways to rise above
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it? Well, I can speak from my own
experience with this. I recently channeled my previous
life as a liar during the Orion Wars.
And so that's also, that's the other book that I mentioned that
is in editing and, you know, almost ready to come out.
One of the beautiful things thatcame through with that was our
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own multidimensionality and how we have, you know, we think that
we're just here and this is it. And yet we are on all of these
other dimensions, but we also have a piece of us in all of
these other lifetimes. And so many of us have those
lifetimes as these other interdimensional beings.
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And what is absolutely fascinating and what's come
through for me, what's challenged me the most is to
recognize that I have access to this other energy.
And when I allow myself to tap into that, everything about how
I show up now changes it it. You got another reference.
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Point exactly where we can stay in the denseness and in that
energy and allow that to just beour only experience.
And there is a piece of, shall we say, ego death that has to
happen in order to make that surrender right, like we were
talking about earlier. Right well, in perfect love
there is No Fear, and the fear is of death, right, of the
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separation. And yet we've separated
ourselves and unbeknownst right now, now we're in the process of
learning how to go back home. In that, what do you find are
some of the the overarching things that that people that
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you've come in contact with, with your work with beyond being
human? How does?
What are the challenges that they face within themselves 1st
and and then also within their immediate circles?
Specifically with the. The challenges of an experience
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beyond human. Yeah.
Beyond the the third dimension as well, you know, whether it's
through interaction with interdimensional or or through
the exploration of themselves and finding that void within
that, you know, really has to methe same sensation as the light,
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right? Everything, it's all one and yet
you're still individuated in it.Yeah, absolutely.
And maybe it is that individuation that is part of
the the biggest issue that showsup for people because they do
feel alone in those experiences.You know, when we when we begin
to shift and change, even at a molecular level through these
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different experiences that we'vehad, we don't always relate to
people in the same way. Rarely do we, right?
That's what makes them think we're so weird because we're
talking about stuff that really,you know, they don't have a
direct experience of. So it's incomprehensible to
them. And in most cases, unless you
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have an open mind that's willingto at least have a thought,
experience, experiment of the possibility, that's still rare.
We're so used to being in this physical world and thinking that
that everything's linear and it's just the opposite.
Nothing's linear. It's all non linear and most of
it's non local still because we haven't recognized just how
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connected we really are absolutely across the spectrum.
Well, and even that, that non locality, you know, we have so
many people, and especially because I work in the field of
mental health, I, I deal with a lot of clients who are highly
sensitive people who are very empathic and they, you know, we
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are told that if we have that sensitivity, there's something
wrong with us, right? We're, we're too sensitive to
the things around us. We get over stimulated too
easily. All of those kinds of
experiences. And also, if we don't understand
how to differentiate an experience, we sit in it and
think it's ours. And our mind has this beautiful
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capacity to just take it all in and make up a story about it so
that we can own it and suffer from it, Right?
Right. And so we have to learn how to
navigate that so that that doesn't become our pattern and
our reality. What's that take that?
That's the curiosity of the questions, right?
Is this me? Is this something else?
What's really going on? Where is it in my body?
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Is it in my body? Am I thinking these things?
Or is it really, You know, 99% of our fears are never
actualized and yet we still havethem?
Yeah, it's true. One of the my favorite sayings
is open and curious. What else is possible here?
What is it that I need to explore to understand this
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better? If I think I know, can I let go
of that knowing and just see what else is there?
Now, the thread I asked about earlier, in all the different
areas that you went into, religious especially, it seems
to me that our core is really about loving and being loved.
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That's the energy, That's the unconditional place of pure
perfect love in which there is No Fear as we're told, right?
How does that relate to this obsession on self deprecation
that we tend to have and and what have you found are some of
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the ways to navigate through that?
Love really is the foundation and love is also the answer to
that question. When we feel that self
deprecation, it's because of theconditioning that we've
experienced in the world. We have, you know, relational
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frame theory. We have to compare ourselves.
Everything is this arbitrary comparison that happens in here.
And remember, the mind is here to keep us alive.
It's not here to keep us happy. And So what we end up doing is
it's constantly going, well, what about this?
Well, what about that? Well, I, I don't meet that
standard and I don't know if I can compare to that.
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And so it's, it's constantly trying to figure out where it's
safe. And because of that, that
becomes our programming and thatwas what we operate from.
So we get into these places where we just beat ourselves up
because the mind is trying to keep us safe, not realizing that
that's actually hurting us. Yeah.
So you got this supercomputer that's sitting on your shoulders
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that's got faulty programming. Absolutely.
So how do we wipe the hard driveand restore a better operating
system? And is this beyond the mind?
Obviously, this is where, you know, I wonder when you are
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working with the folks, do you get them back down into the body
to feel what's going on? Because this is really, you
know, if everything is vibration, which we know from
quantum physics now. And there's an old indigenous
philosophy of three brains, right?
The gut, the heart and the head.The gut has trains and
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neurosensors, right? More than the heart, I believe.
And so it's connected to all thevibrations.
The, the chakra is another Hinduversion of the same thing,
right? You're connected, you feel
everything, even though you may not be aware of it.
Then the heart gives the opportunity to discern whether
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it's desirable or undesirable. It's kind of a Dallas thing,
right? And then and only then do you
take that to the head where you can make choices based on the
clarity of the information you've just received from your
body. Now, how do, how do we
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understanding that? And I, I see the nod of your
head, right? So it makes sense, right?
How do we incorporate that? How do you incorporate that with
the folks that you're working with?
And how do you incorporate that understanding in yourself?
Because I know you have. Yeah, the, the biggest piece
with all of that is to to becomethe observer, right?
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This is the part of getting out of the mind and, and gaining
awareness of what is actually happening in the body.
And so much of the world today gets into these places of
dissociation where they're not even connected to the body
anymore and they have no idea what's going on in the body.
And so we have to do different somatic practices and things
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like that to bring ourselves back into the body and work on
allowing ourselves to be OK withan experience, even if it's not
comfortable. And even don't the the
uncomfortable places where you grow.
Absolutely yes. You put yourself because it's
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new territory, right? There are things that are there
that you're unaware of, you don't know about, you're
probably frightened of because you don't know what you're going
to experience. And, and most of us, we don't
like change, right? I love it.
For some reason. I'm one of those anomalies and
not really an anomaly. I just learned that it's good
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for you, right? So embrace that.
It may be uncomfortable at the time, however, once you
recognize the process and the path and the cyclical nature of
it, you know what's on the otherside is going to be something
really tremendously useful. Yeah, well, and we do have this
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fear of change. I remember reading this a long
time ago and it stuck with me. But the idea behind it is that
our perceived level of difficulty plus our level of
resistance equals our level of suffering.
Have to recognize that if if we look at a sensation of feeling
and experience and go, Oh my goodness, this is too hard, I
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don't want to feel this, we suffer greatly.
Buddha says suffering is optional.
Yes, we can go through an absolutely difficult experience.
That is. I mean, I've had those
experiences that are heart wrenching where I just allow
myself to wail and feel the feels of it and then it
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dissipates. Yeah.
Right. But it is that allowance and
that understanding that it is going to end it's.
Not it's the energy flow, right you when there's no resistance,
when you allow yourself and thiskind of sounds we wish but to be
present, right and recognize what's going on within you and
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then just be OK with it. This is evolutionary.
Even on evolutionary, it's a maturation process that I
believe many learn through age. And yet, you know, it's like the
the systems that we have with the body, mind, spirit, planet,
and cosmos, right? Those are relationships that we
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have and as we gain wisdom, we recognize those.
Well, since we do, why aren't weteaching that to our children
instead of the programming that we give them?
You know, especially in America and, and West where we put them
in a box and, you know, teach them stuff and then expect to
regurgitate facts and figures or, or history or whatever.
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There's really not a lot of critical thinking in there.
How do we restore that? How do we restore the curiosity
that has been eliminated by our adulting?
Yeah, when it it's interesting. I mean, the there was a study
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done and they, I think it was NASA and they were looking at
the genius in children and saw that a large percentage of
children actually meet the genius marker.
And then they went through school and that shifted right.
And I think we get to a place now where we're just so used to
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this is how it is. And there isn't a, a large, you
know, population of people who want to challenge that.
But there are some, right? And the more that we understand
what just letting it be what it is is doing to us, the more we
can hold space for doing something different, right?
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And it doesn't mean that we can't utilize the the education
systems and things like that, but we do have to understand
what they do both good and not so great, and then be able to
mitigate some of that by workingwith the kids and helping them
to understand what's going on inside of them and how to show
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up. And I think the best way to do
that is to model that for them, right?
And as we do that, we hold spacefor them to do that.
Tough to do when you've got kidsraising kids today that have no
parenting skills or haven't beentaught them, you know, and this
is a situation that we've allowed to take place because
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they're, you know, dual income families that you have to be in
order to produce and survive it in the world today.
So that pretty much begins the disassociation of the family
unit, maybe not destruction, butthat also happens too.
Now, do you see that this openness or, or this willingness
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to take a look at those things and begin to reframe how we
address it? Do you see things like the NASA
study that that are being done to promote a greater awareness
of this and a shift back to, or maybe not back to, because I
don't know, wherever they're a shift to nurturing the children
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rather than teaching them. I do see that there is a bit of
a shift. There is a newer generation too
who is stepping up and going. I don't want to follow the same
patterns that were there before.You know, as a people, we are a
communal people. And yet, especially in the West,
we're very individualistic and, you know, even to your show.
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And capitalistic. Yes, but that idea of one world,
we were we, you know, we were meant to be communities.
We were meant to be in a cooperative place where we work
together in order to meet the needs of the community and.
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Truly one world and a new world.Yeah.
And the more that we move towards that, the more
possibility there is for that expansion because there's going
to be space for it. Now, Speaking of moving towards
in space, we're we're going to and now for something different.
What is it? And now for something completely
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different right in the old MontyPython line.
Hilarious, right? So taking that understanding
right and applying it to our, well, it seems to be our natural
revolutionary process, right? We've grown up, we've had
limited community, they've been separated.
Now we've got a global community, everything's
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connected, and we're still warring amongst each other for
resources instead of sharing them.
As we move forward, recognizing that we do have one planet, it's
sacred. We are sacred with each other in
this loving and being loved process.
Where is that going to take us? Is this something that fits in
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with what we're getting from outthere of and the folks that you
talked with and their experiences, are we being
nurtured to kind of rise to thatoccasion and recognize that, you
know, we really can't fit in in the universal family until we
can fit in our own family? Yeah, you pretty much hit that
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nail right on the head. One of the transmissions that
had come in actually recently with the Alliance, Sylvain, who
is running the Alliance for extraterrestrial diplomatic
communication, and he was askingwhat?
What is it that we need in orderfor them to come?
And it is this evolutionary process.
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We are not ready as it is right now because of the way that we
constantly fight with one another.
We don't understand what it is to be one world or to have that
unification. Well, there still is the other,
right? As long as we have that mindset
that there is an other, we're missing the point right in La
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Quech Mayan, I am another you right?
That's the reason I use that. This is something that ancient
wisdom now coming to the forefront and it seems like it's
being nurtured through quantum understanding, which is a really
wonderful explosion of new information that oh, hey, we are
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all vibration. You know, we're not material.
We instead of the the old 99% space and 1% material framework,
it's 100% energy. Now that has to do with the
consciousness that we wield in some, right, the awareness, the
attention, where we put our attention, intention and
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interaction, we manifest just like you were saying earlier.
What do we want to manifest? Do we want to love and be loving
or do we want to love and be loved?
Well, how do we love? What are the necessary things?
How can we define what that example is so that we can live
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it? What?
What do you find to be in in your work?
The essentials for getting there?
Yeah. Well, I like what you're talking
about in terms of, you know, what it is we look for because
there is such an integral piece in that.
I mean, if you're getting in quantum physics, right, that
idea of quantum collapse, and it's not what it is until it's
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observed. That idea allows us to
understand too, that if we're constantly looking for something
to be a certain way, we will eventually see it.
And so if we're constantly looking for something negative
to happen, we wait until that negative thing happens and then
we go see that's what it is. Whereas if we split that and
say, no, I'm looking for the positive thing, I'm looking for
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the love in this. I am looking for the joy, for
the peace, for the gratitude. That's what we see.
And then that becomes where it collapses.
And that's the conscious choice,right?
You have to be aware enough to to make that choice.
Instead of, you know, it's like you get a new car, right?
All of a sudden you see the samecar everywhere, right?
That's an unconscious patterned behavior, and how do we make
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that? Like Young says, how do we make
the young conscious conscious? Yeah.
Well, I mean, if we get into theneuroscience of it, that's the
reticular activating system. It's responsible for a sleep
wake cycle. It's responsible for where what
draws our attention. And so we can train that by
consciously thinking about beingvery intentional about what we
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choose to want to see in our experience.
And we have that gift of choice to do so.
That's what free will is all about.
You know, we can choose the the other direction.
We can choose not to pay attention.
Where is that going to go? Eventually you're not going to
like it, right? Because we're all about, you
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know, the, the life of abundance, the thrive ability
now is a buzz term, right, in that transformation of
intelligence. And, and looking at those
things, what I've also found, you know, we're the right left
brain, right there. There's been this, you know,
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historical argument about right brain's creative left brain's
analytical right. Well, we forget about and we
only focus on those two, right. And so here again, the polarity,
right? The polarity paradigm, what
about what's in between? Corpus callosum, right?
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That's the membrane that that everything that all the impulses
go through as they're switching sides.
Now also with that corpus callosum, at the base of it is
the epithalmis, and at the top of it is the pineal.
Now what about that relationship?
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Because those two internal organs are associated with
chakra system as well. Absolutely.
And the pineal system is really,you know, it's connected with
where we get inspiration and howthat energy comes in for us and
where are we filtering it through, right.
What is what is going on and howis that filter happening?
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What was really fascinating is there was a study done many
years ago where they actually split the brain.
Right down the middle. And they did this to see if it
helped with seizure patients. But they realized at the time
that they had a really amazing opportunity to study what was
going on in the two hemispheres of the brain.
And what they found is that it is the the left hemisphere of
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the brain that's responsible forwho we think we are, for the
individuated sense of self, because it's the part that
labels, categorizes, judges, does.
Analytical part. Right.
Exactly. Yeah.
And what's absolutely fascinating is that they found
that that part of our brain thatdecides who we think we are has
no bear. Like, it doesn't care about
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reality, it just cares about making up a story.
So what they had done is they actually showed things to the
right side of the brain. The body had a response to that
thing, and then the left brain made-up a story that it made the
most sense for the left brain asto why it had that sensation in
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the body. And what it really shows us is
exactly what we were talking about before, that we don't have
to believe all of the things that are going on in our head
all of the time. And so how do we begin to
differentiate? Is this just my patterned
thinking or is this an inspiration that's coming in?
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Is this something that is connected to the chakras that is
allowing me to open to a greaterconsciousness, to messages from
beyond? Or is this my brain just
spinning that hamster on the wheel?
Now, are there different stations that go along with
that? Because it would seem to me, you
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know, there's especially with the talk of the chakras and
kundalini and, and opening to channel, right, that there's a
focus in the crown and having itopen in order for that divine
light, whatever you want to callit, many words to filter through
and then permeate the body from that direction.
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Then there's also the opposite, right?
Because we're connected to Earth, we are Earth's children,
we're made of Stardust because we're taking all of our
nutrients from Mother Earth. So you know, that's a
relationship we don't really think about either.
We think of ourselves as separate from the yet on a very
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basic subatomic level and the nutrients that we get there of
the Earth. So there's also permeating
consciousness. So how or, or is there any kind
of discussions as to how those two merge in the body?
I think the Easterns call it themarriage of heaven and earth in
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the Hex. Grant the Dauda Ching, Yeah.
I love the DAO. Actually I was thinking about
the DAO as you were talking there one of.
My favorite? One of my favorite lines from
the DAO. It's actually, it's 70 or 71, I
don't remember exactly, but it says not knowing is true
knowledge. Perceiving to know is a disease.
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And so that idea of, OK, yes, that inspiration, that
connectedness to the heavens coming in, we have to release,
we have to empty. And as we empty, universal
knowledge can flow through us. But in order for us to do that,
we also have to be grounded, right?
And we have to be able to groundinto the earth.
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And Gaia wants to help us do that.
Well, absolutely, there's a conscious, you know, in the
study of consciousness, we have to, in my opinion, look at it's
not just us, planetary bodies have consciousness.
You know, that there was an experience I had maybe talked
about on Twila Talk that I was questioning the origins of the
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Trinity, wondering whether because it's ubiquitous in all
the religions, right, or seems to be.
And so where did it come from? If it's that problem, what, what
fractal started it all? And I was going through a multi
level awareness, also Swaggart'stechnique and in preparation for
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it, my guide that I'd known since I was a teen.
And this is 89. So I was 32.
I think he shows up and and he waves.
And this is internally I'm seeing with my inner sight,
right? So I see this Indian, ancient
Indians show up and it waves to me, as you know, and come right.
So I'm used to this process of being able to get out of my body
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really easily because that's part of what the design of this
is. So I was prepped to do so.
Upon doing so, we're traveling, you know, through the cosmos or
stars going by and then nothing but black.
And I'm trying to get an idea ofwhere we're going and I'm having
a conversation with them. We end up rehashing the last few
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years that I hadn't seen him andyou know, he's kind of given me
a test of, OK, what have you been up to?
What have you followed, right, that kind of stuff.
And so then we arrive on this three sun system that has a
dozen small, really green planets surrounding it on on a
planar orbit. And the three Suns are probably
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100 times as big as these smaller spheres.
And I feel like Jodie Foster just coming out of the wormhole,
tears streaming down my face andthe awe of the scenery.
Right? And then I hear several voices
as one say, we are not only yourforefathers, we are also the
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forefathers of your solar system.
And I'm like, OK, I want to ask some questions.
And I start, right? And then Zephyr says, Nope, you
got all you need. You'll figure it out.
And I'm like, oh, man, right. So we come back and I already
got the, you know, macro if it is so micro, proton, electron
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and neutron. And then I'm already thinking,
OK, now what doesn't fit in thatright?
This is that critical mind. Well, hydrogen is the only one
that doesn't. OK, so hydrogen then most
plentiful gas in the universe, powers the sun and is the
bonding agent for our DNA Helix.So is it possible that that
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energy or the consciousness actually travels or is present
ubiquitously in hydrogen? I don't know.
You know, this is the, the weirdshit that I start thinking
about, just looking at structureand wondering of the
possibilities. I, I don't know, but sure,
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there's something there. I don't know what.
And yet this also seems to be one of the things that gets us
to look beyond what we have hereand the potential of not
knowing, first of all, and just asking questions and having an
experience and then wondering, well, what's that mean?
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You know, because I coming back tried to figure it all out
because I had the science and math in my mind and I had the
ability to do so. What if I didn't?
How would I see that? What would that kind of
experience promote? Right?
Maybe some like the the visions and things of some of the
prophets from the Bible. I don't consider myself to be 1.
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It's some made because of the things I've experienced and been
able to report on. It still comes from that not
knowing, right? It's just like the void is the
nothingness, you know? And a lot of these people from
elsewhere, that's where they base their whole reality from,
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is understanding the nothingnessfrom which everything comes.
That's where the word came rightfrom the silence was the word.
Well, from the void that we got,we got the light right.
Now, I always often wonder, is there like in this point of
light that we believe we have atthe center of our being?
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Is it just a shell? And is the void possibly what's
contained by it? And that through the intention
coming out of the void, through the light, we actually put the
form in process, I'll put it that way.
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Yeah, there's a quote from Rabi of Basra, who's a Sufi St. and I
absolutely love it. It says, you know, of the how I
know of the how less. But you know, we this has
happened so many times in the sense that something has come
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and inspiration has come and understanding has come.
The moment that the mind has to then put it into word and speak
it it, it almost brings it down a bit.
It does. It diminishes it.
Anytime we put label or a category or a definition it it's
us attempting to crystallize something we don't understand
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fully and yet can at least get it into a a reasonable scope of
understanding so it gives us some place of solace to talk
about. Yeah.
And I think that it is importantto be able to have the
conversations, but I also think that it is very important to be
able to sit with it and to allowit to just just integrate
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without the mind having to try to figure it all out right away.
It would seem that sitting is more important than the activity
because that in that silence is when we're truly available.
What do you find are good practices to to find that
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silence with, especially with those that you work with that
have anxiety or stressed and maybe a little frightful of
what's going on in their lives. How do you work with that?
Yeah, that's a great question. You know, we talk about
meditation and silencing the mind, and that's very, very
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difficult for a lot of people. And when we're first starting
out on a journey, especially if we have this fear of what's
going on in our mind or where our mind is going to take us, we
don't want to sit in quiet because we're too scared of what
is going to. Come, we're social animals.
We want to hand hold. But there's a couple different
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practices that I found to be very helpful with that, and one
of them is super easy and you can find it on line.
It's called Leaves on a Stream. And it is a meditation where you
visualize yourself sitting next to a stream and there's a big
beautiful tree overhanging the stream.
And the leaves are just falling onto the stream.
And every time a thought comes in, you just go, oh look,
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there's that thought and you putit on the leaf and you let it
go. And the very first step in all
of this is to just recognize what the mind is doing and
release judgement of it. Oh, those 70,000 thoughts,
60,000 of them are exactly the same. 10,000 of them are
original. Thoughts.
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Right, right, right. And so I'm just putting them on
the leaf. And I mean the same, the same
pattern, same general, you know,self deprecation kind of area
where we diminish ourselves and,and we've got a bad habit of
doing that. So that that exercise that's
could be quite profound, I'm sure.
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Yeah, It allows for us to just begin to understand what's going
on in our mind. It helps us to release judgment
of it because we're recognizing the patterns, right?
You talk about the computer, it's running a program.
We're just recognizing the programs and we begin to have a
bit of separation to begin to understand that my mind is
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having all of these thoughts, but they're not who I am.
They're just thoughts that are happening in the mind, just like
clouds crossing the sky. And I don't have to hold on to
them. I don't have to grab them and
make a whole story about them and then let that become a part
of how I identify myself. Now, on the flip side of that,
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you don't have to. However, is there value in
tracing where the thought might have originated in order to
fully understand where it came from?
Sometimes yes and sometimes no. We recognize that there's
intrusive thoughts as an example, and an intrusive
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thought can just come in and it's got nothing to do with
anything. Maybe we watched a movie five
years ago and it's reminiscent of that.
Maybe it's, you know, a pattern now that has shown up in our
mind and if we begin to identifywith it, then we think, oh, no,
there's something wrong with me.Why am I thinking these things?
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If we're able to go, OK, that is, I would never want that or
think that we're able to get that separation from it.
Then there's other times where we have that voice, right?
That that one that tells us how horrible we are.
And man, that voice is just like, I don't know, Mom, dad,
teacher, sibling, whoever, right?
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That's important to know becausewe want to understand why we
have that pattern in our mind and we want to be able to go,
OK, this isn't my truth, this isn't my reality.
This is something that I've beenconditioned to and I have.
We're back to that word choice here and whether or not I want
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to keep that narrative as my ownor not.
It sounds like you're talking about the observer, right, Being
able to just watch and, and not do anything.
Now there's also another, you know, you remind me of my wife
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and I were meditating out the backyard one time and and you
know, I'm always seeking, tryingto merge with right, because
we're twin flames and and we understand that we're always
looking for that inner experience that we can have
collectively, right? And so I'm in, I'm just
watching, right? And my mind's having a
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conversation and then I'm watching the conversation and
I'm wondering about the conversation.
And then there's another, a third voice that comes in with a
question. Well, what about this or have
you, you know, and those new things that come in that give
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you that insight because it's there.
It's just that like Doctor Laszlo says, right?
It's the higher self that we want to aspire to connect with.
And that has all of the information that I spoke about,
like connected to source, right?That's our source connection and
how we can grow in that connection by being available
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through learning how to quiet the mind.
And, and you're right, it's not a an easy practice.
One of the things I found that Iwas back in the college days, I
was tripping out like crazy and I was having a moment right
where I was just, OK, I need to get centered and not knowing.
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I had my fingertips put togetherand sitting in on my lap and I
started feeling my heartbeat in them.
And as I started focusing on my heartbeat, I became aware of my
breath. And when those two combined,
everything, all the stress, all the, everything that I was
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feeling that was not present, disappeared, banished, and I was
like, wow, that is maybe that's where prayer came from, right?
And it's deepest sense where you're, you're really getting in
touch with your own heart and your own breath and connecting
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with your higher self that way. And it it when you're focused on
the feeling, you're not thinking.
Yeah. That's the amazing thing, yeah.
Well, and it's a beautiful practice too, right?
That idea of touching the fingers, because what we're
doing is we're making a conduit of energy that stays within us,
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right? And so we're able to observe
what is happening and notice where we're at and be able to go
OK, within my own energy, I'm OK.
And the the really cool thing about that, you can do it
anywhere. You can be sitting in a board
meeting or in, you know, this contentious, you know,
production meeting with all his staff and realize, OK, I just
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need to take a moment here and center myself.
And I found for my own practice of that, that you get insights
to contributions you can make that take that tension and
either eliminate it, diminish it, but it provides a way out
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into something that brings the people together in their focus
toward a common goal. Because the most times you have
challenges with that, if you've got personal agendas that get in
the way that aren't spoken of, you know, the hidden agendas, we
call them bringing those out, recognizing those jobs, the
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boss. We're here to do one thing.
And so we need to figure out howto get beyond ourselves and work
as a collective in doing so. And it's not that difficult.
And yet because of all this old style paradigm of competition,
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which has nothing to do with oneness, we have that
understanding of oneness which has everything to do with
collaboration, not competition. How do you find this transition
happening in the history of the work that you've been doing?
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What have you noticed it in the patterns that have changed or
and or are changing in the process of this escalation of
consciousness that we're all part of right now?
Yeah, when we when we think about consciousness, I think we
we all have such different ideasof what that is because of where
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we're at in our journey. And so as it unfolds for each of
us, I think there is going to bea little bit of a uniqueness in
there. And what's been coming to me is
that it it's about encompassing all of what we are and we have
to be able to hold space for all.
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Of what we are, which involves holding space for all of what we
all are. Funny how that works, isn't it?
It's pretty incredible. It is.
When we notice that right even here having a conversation, that
ability to understand that what is going on inside of me is my
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own filters, my own experiences,and what's going on inside of
you is your own filters and experiences.
And when we're both able to recognize that we actually can
connect. Oh, yeah.
And and that's where the intention to connect at that
deeper level is what drives us, right?
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It makes us available to where we have those serendipitous
synchronistic moments like we did earlier.
I was talking about the Dow and or the Yi Ching and, and you
pulled out the hexagram, right? Those kinds of things where it's
connected. It's obvious that it is.
Now, whether that's an energy exchange, an aspect of
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telepathy, because we happen to be in that loving space between
each other where there's No Fearor there's no reason for it,
right? We're not here to prove anything
to each other. We're here to question and
acknowledge and and have some fun.
Absolutely. And with that intention of just
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having fun and connecting, we'reable to hold space for that in a
brand new way without having allof the other things getting in
the way. The problem is, is that we carry
so much with us that depending on the situation, we might run
into somebody who has a preconceived idea and they
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operate from that place and thenthat does impact us and.
We have. To go OK, what do I want to do
with that? Right.
Right. And again, it's that that choice
point because at any, at any point in time, we can take on
that victim role and we can go with it.
Sure. And yet there is the objective
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at at least for me, of being of service.
And I think that is yours as well.
You because you know what? You know, we're compelled to be
of service and it's just part ofour being.
It there isn't a, it's not a matter of choice, it's just who
we are. Yeah, absolutely.
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It may have been a matter of choice at one point in our life,
but I'm not so sure. I don't know.
I think for some there is that flexibility in being able to
kind of navigate through. And I think at other times, you
know, we come in with this mission and this is just what
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we're meant to do and we know that to the core of our being.
And so there's nothing that evenwith difficult situations,
that's going to take us out of it for very long.
Speaking of that, this is this is a really important part that
I feel we don't think about enough, let alone the
possibility of it understanding all of this energy, that there's
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order, there's a perfect order, let's say.
It may not be one. We understand in that, though,
if this whole notion of creationright, that there is a mission
of purpose, a reason for us. Is it to the point where on a
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vibrational level that we have aspecific form, fit and function
in the world that we can acquiesce to by our release of
attachment to it? Understanding that it's there,
right is the first step because I think most of us, yeah.
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Why am I here? What's the purpose?
Well, once you can love and be loved, then what?
You know, is there another layerof materialization for lack of a
better that then leads us to thebread crumbs that allow us to
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express the skill set that we'vedeveloped in a completely new
way that actually edifies the whole instead of detract from
it? Yeah, I, I don't know, I think
that's possible. And I'm, I'm doing my best to be
an example of it and hopefully figure it out.
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Right. And what?
Comes up for me with that. Is this idea of are we operating
from here or are we operating from here?
If we're in flow, we're not searching for the bread crumbs.
We're navigating through life and we're noticing the bread
crumbs and we just go, oh, OK. Nice distinction.
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Oh, OK, right. And so it makes a big difference
in how we have this experience because I mean, it's true.
So often people are going, OK, well, what's my purpose and how
do I fulfill my purpose? We're never going to find it or
fulfill it that way. Well.
And that's the the push and pullof energy from that place right
where the other is. Flow.
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You're not it. It's a natural course of action.
You don't have to think about anything other than your
intention. Yeah.
And so if I'm intending to just walk and flow with love,
anything can unfold from that. Sweet Jennifer, this is just
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this has been a wonderful conversation where we're needing
to ascend into another space. What can you do?
You have something that's just aburning desire to share for
personal advice to others that they can engage.
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Yeah, there's a roomy quote, notthe one behind me, although I
love that one too. But there's a roomy quote and
it's exhale. Only love.
If we could engage that, we'd have a completely different
world. That's powerful.
That is truly powerful. What a way to close.
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Thank you so much. Oh, and on that Namaste and in
La Cets, thanks for sticking with us for this episode.
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the kinds of abilities and things that come conversations
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basically that come from that ofthe internal experiences of
contact and what those are like.She is a registered
psychotherapist in Canada, so she's perfect for that
helpfulness. She has her own business called
My Holistic Self and she is alsoa podcast host for Twirler Talk,
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you here and I really am lookingforward to this conversation.
Thank you so much. Thank you very much for having
me. I'm super excited for our
conversation today. I know our previous ones have
been absolutely amazing and it can only grow from there.
Absolutely. Absolutely.
So, you know, I mentioned the we're bereft of understanding
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how to bridge these inner and outer worlds for the most part.
Some know that those are rare and few and far between in that
respect. I know that in order for you to
have gone down the path that youhave, there's had to been some
early understanding of the interconnectedness of all
things. What was that like for you?
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When how old were you and what were the kinds of things that
were going on in in your life and and how was that accepted or
rejected from those around you? That is a great question.
So for me, from a very, very young age, I knew that there was
more. More than what we see with our
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regular senses, more than what we think is there or what we're
told, right when we come into this life, we get very
conditioned very early on. And a big part of my process,
because I could see things as a child, I knew that there was
something more than what the rest of the world was
experiencing. I wanted to know what that was
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about and so I started. Radical curiosity.
Absolutely. And and that sent me on, you
know, all kinds of exploratory journeys and trying to figure
out what, you know, what was going on.
Why was I having these dreams and then having them come true?
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Why was I seeing things in places where other people said
there was nothing there? Why did I have these sensations
that told me things were happening or to watch out for
this or that, and nobody else around me was having those
experiences? It sounds like you were just
really hyper sensitive to the world around you and those you
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know, this is a it's a rare occurrence.
I don't. As children, I think most of us
have that. And then it's kind of nurtured
out of this in some way because parental understanding isn't
there. And and so they're these
imaginary friends and so on and so forth, right?
And as kids, we think it's all normal, so we don't really talk
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about it. How did you first figure out
that? OK, there's something else going
on here and maybe I need a little help in trying to
understand it. Yeah, maybe not the typical kid.
I talked about it. Yeah.
And. So awesome.
Yeah. And I as a child, you know, my
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mom would say, yeah, I, I see stuff too.
So it was kind of normalized in that way.
But it was some of the stuff wasnot pleasant and not something
that I wanted to see your experience.
And as much as my mom, you know,was able to say, yes, OK, I see
that as well. There wasn't really any support
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or understanding as to what to do with it or how to navigate
it. So I did get to a point where I
said I don't I don't really wantto see any of this right now.
I don't well. It's like, you know, you think,
gosh, it would be so cool to read people's minds, right?
And then that opportunity is like, wait a minute, I I didn't
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know. I don't want this.
Now what is in your mind is noneof my business and I like it
that way, absolutely. So in, in those moments when you
were, you know, working with your awareness and, and how as,
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when do you, when did you noticethat there was this ability that
you had that was also shared by your mother and that it was
quite unique in the overall scope of society at the time?
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Yeah, I think to what you were saying though, you know, with
the child piece and not really knowing, you know, I would talk
about it and friends would talk about imaginary friends and all
of that. And so I didn't think very much
of it being different in that way other than not everything I
saw was my friend, right? And so there was that piece, but
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it wasn't really, I would say, until I was much older and I
started to explore all of the different belief systems.
And I wanted to really deep diveinto what was going on and what
I was experiencing that I had myaunt who also has experiences
and, and all of that come into my life and say, I think it was
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about 12 or so at the time and say, yeah, this is, this is
different. This isn't something that
everybody experiences. And started to help me navigate
that a little bit better. Still not very open to it at
that point because I didn't wantto be different.
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Didn't want. To right at those ages, you
know, the socialization, We justwant to fit in.
We want to have fun and fit in. Exactly.
And at that age, you know, I don't understand that this is
something unique and special or a gift of any kind.
And so again, that piece of I don't, I don't want to do
anything with this or understandthis or navigate this at this
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point in my life. And through my own, I, I always
still longed for more. That was never an issue.
I, I, you know, I would start going to church and I would try
to, you know, I went to the mosque, I went everywhere
because I wanted to know what the Moor was.
Sure. And those are the areas of
exploration that were available right at that time.
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I mean, there is some age difference with us, but still,
you know, there wasn't a whole lot of esoteric realms or, or
organizations available. Most of it was organized
religion of some form, whether it was Buddhist, you know,
Hindu, Christian, Islamic, Zoroastrianism, all those
different, you know, Dallas and all of those kinds of things.
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And yet, did you find a congruence or some golden thread
throughout the mall that you could identify?
Absolutely, but that came later.Yeah, it actually took a.
Well, it does take time. You know, we, we almost, we're,
we're so impatient and we want things right now, especially in
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the West and the East. Not so much in the West, though.
It's MC enlightenment, right? It's like drive through, you
know, pick up your stuff and go.Doesn't work that way.
It's a maturation process. No.
And, and what really has come interms of this unified thread
that's gone through all of it issomething that the mind doesn't
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necessarily like to hear. And it's definitely something
that the Western mind doesn't like to hear, this idea that we
have to take a step back and we have to step out of the mind and
into the heart, allow ourselves to connect to the oneness that
is there through all things. And it's through that connection
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and surrender to that connectionthat we actually open to all
possibility. Yeah, I totally agree.
And the what I find interesting too is that, you know, we have
this maybe not global, but at least far reaching understanding
of oneness, right? We we've recognized the
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interconnectedness or at least intellectually and yet, all
right, so we're all what what's that mean, right?
How does that trickle down and threw us individually experience
I had we spoke of on your show earlier of the awakening I had
in college that I came back understanding we're all cosmic
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consciousness condensed into form, just unaware.
Well, that was the first time I'd experienced that.
So I had to go find corroboration.
And the one place that I'd foundit was in the Vedas, which are
like 15,000 year old Sanskrit poems.
And essentially what they say isthe same thing.
We're divine threads, Incarnate,connected to source, capable of
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God consciousness. Now we hear that especially in
the West. All that's blasphemous.
Well, if we're creators in embryo, if we're sons and
daughters and what are we when we grow up?
You know, there's this natural progression of things.
That doesn't mean we're all, youknow, the all powerful creator
of the universe. It means that we are in charge
of our own lives and the realitythat we create and that we have
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infinite intelligence available to our specific life path and
the curiosity that we have towards it.
Do you find that to be true also?
Absolutely. Even in in the Bible, right in
the beginning was the Word, thatability to speak creation.
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Everything that we say, everything that we put out that
makes sound sound, is a creativeenergy.
Spell cast. Exactly, exactly.
And so. Or witches and warlocks and
don't even know it right? But it's but it's true when we
talk about that in the image of God, it's not that God looks
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like this in the image of in theimage of God, in the image of
that source energy is that ability to create, that ability
to bring forth that ability to manifest things in our
experience. And what ends up happening is we
manifest the experiences that wehold onto.
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And So what I'm, you know, when we, when we talk about where
we're at, at any given moment inlife, if we're focusing on the
things that are really hard and the things that are difficult
and, and the struggles that we have, that's what we end up
staying in versus if we are ableto bring in that gratitude, if
we're able to bring in that love, even when things are
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really hard, we have capacity for that other energy.
So like. Attention and awareness
combined, right? Absolutely, absolutely.
I had a new transmission come through and it's almost ready.
It's called spheres of consciousness.
And so, you know, there's all ofthis in so many different
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traditions. They talk about these ladders of
consciousness and how we can go from, you know, fear down here
to, you know, love or joy up here.
And there's this whole concept in the world today that we
somehow, you know, have to be always up here, and we have to
have our vibration up here. And so all of these other
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experiences are bad, and we can't have them in our
experience. And it's like, OK, but we're
here to have a human experience.And so we can't negate a whole
part of who we are in order to think that that's what ascension
is. That's not at all what that
really means. And through this new model of
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having a sphere of consciousness, we recognize that
those dense core energies are always there.
But as we expand out from them, we learn new ways to deal with
them. It doesn't mean that they
absolutely disappear and they'renot a part of our experience
anymore, right? It just means that we've
expanded and our capacity has shifted.
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Doesn't mean that we don't ever get angry or upset for that.
We don't still have difficult things that we have to deal
with. Absolutely.
Way of navigating it shifts and changes.
And it also gives us the opportunity to observe
ourselves, right? That self examination, the
mirror that we're, you mentionedearlier that we're kind of
afraid to look into because of what we might see.
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And yet the whole notion of selflove is to embrace all of that
without restriction, without judgement or condemnation or
criticism of ourselves 1st. And unless and until we can get
to that place, we can't really do it with others fully, right?
There's always something amiss or something that we're
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resistant to. And and it seems like there's so
many different systems that edify what you were talking
about the scale right from Sophia Geo tones, one of them
Hawkins scale, spiral dynamics, all of these kinds of layers.
And then there's the nephew and closes theory of everything
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paper triadic dimensional distinction, vertical paradigm
that says consciousness, space and time are tethered across 9
dimensions. Doesn't eliminate the others
just said this is our human bandwidth.
Then there's the experiential side of that, the multi plane
awareness technique that was developed by Wayne Swaggart back
in the 50s and that takes a person through 9 planes of
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consciousness, integrates your body on each of those planes,
which you know that sphere, right it that.
So there's these different vibrational layers that
ultimately when you ascend, it brings a certain amount of
release from the self deprecation of those 70,000
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thoughts a day that we have that90% of probably, you know, self
deprecating that begins to diminish.
And the more we increase in vibratory level, the more
conscience we have and the greater moral fortitude we had
perfection we have in that whereit's completely life friendly
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and we don't do anything that could damage another.
Now in those frameworks, let's let's understanding that.
All right, then we've got the extraterrestrial side.
Are you ready to go there right now?
We call them extraterrestrials that I, I think it's more intra
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dimensional because of the way that they're able to navigate
and you know, they have a highervibratory rate at different
races have different vibratory rates, all of them higher than
ours because they get the understanding of the
universality of things. But it's all energy now.
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How have you noticed in your work that those who have come in
contact with that in various ways, shapes and forms, how do
they deal with that? What are the kinds of things
that come up that are challenging their previous
belief system and confronting them in some ways to rise above
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it? Well, I can speak from my own
experience with this. I recently channeled my previous
life as a liar during the Orion Wars.
And so that's also, that's the other book that I mentioned that
is in editing and, you know, almost ready to come out.
One of the beautiful things thatcame through with that was our
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own multidimensionality and how we have, you know, we think that
we're just here and this is it. And yet we are on all of these
other dimensions, but we also have a piece of us in all of
these other lifetimes. And so many of us have those
lifetimes as these other interdimensional beings.
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And what is absolutely fascinating and what's come
through for me, what's challenged me the most is to
recognize that I have access to this other energy.
And when I allow myself to tap into that, everything about how
I show up now changes it it. You got another reference.
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Point exactly where we can stay in the denseness and in that
energy and allow that to just beour only experience.
And there is a piece of, shall we say, ego death that has to
happen in order to make that surrender right, like we were
talking about earlier. Right well, in perfect love
there is No Fear, and the fear is of death, right, of the
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separation. And yet we've separated
ourselves and unbeknownst right now, now we're in the process of
learning how to go back home. In that, what do you find are
some of the the overarching things that that people that
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you've come in contact with, with your work with beyond being
human? How does?
What are the challenges that they face within themselves 1st
and and then also within their immediate circles?
Specifically with the. The challenges of an experience
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beyond human. Yeah.
Beyond the the third dimension as well, you know, whether it's
through interaction with interdimensional or or through
the exploration of themselves and finding that void within
that, you know, really has to methe same sensation as the light,
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right? Everything, it's all one and yet
you're still individuated in it.Yeah, absolutely.
And maybe it is that individuation that is part of
the the biggest issue that showsup for people because they do
feel alone in those experiences.You know, when we when we begin
to shift and change, even at a molecular level through these
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different experiences that we'vehad, we don't always relate to
people in the same way. Rarely do we, right?
That's what makes them think we're so weird because we're
talking about stuff that really,you know, they don't have a
direct experience of. So it's incomprehensible to
them. And in most cases, unless you
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have an open mind that's willingto at least have a thought,
experience, experiment of the possibility, that's still rare.
We're so used to being in this physical world and thinking that
that everything's linear and it's just the opposite.
Nothing's linear. It's all non linear and most of
it's non local still because we haven't recognized just how
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connected we really are absolutely across the spectrum.
Well, and even that, that non locality, you know, we have so
many people, and especially because I work in the field of
mental health, I, I deal with a lot of clients who are highly
sensitive people who are very empathic and they, you know, we
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are told that if we have that sensitivity, there's something
wrong with us, right? We're, we're too sensitive to
the things around us. We get over stimulated too
easily. All of those kinds of
experiences. And also, if we don't understand
how to differentiate an experience, we sit in it and
think it's ours. And our mind has this beautiful
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capacity to just take it all in and make up a story about it so
that we can own it and suffer from it, Right?
Right. And so we have to learn how to
navigate that so that that doesn't become our pattern and
our reality. What's that take that?
That's the curiosity of the questions, right?
Is this me? Is this something else?
What's really going on? Where is it in my body?
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Is it in my body? Am I thinking these things?
Or is it really, You know, 99% of our fears are never
actualized and yet we still havethem?
Yeah, it's true. One of the my favorite sayings
is open and curious. What else is possible here?
What is it that I need to explore to understand this
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better? If I think I know, can I let go
of that knowing and just see what else is there?
Now, the thread I asked about earlier, in all the different
areas that you went into, religious especially, it seems
to me that our core is really about loving and being loved.
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That's the energy, That's the unconditional place of pure
perfect love in which there is No Fear as we're told, right?
How does that relate to this obsession on self deprecation
that we tend to have and and what have you found are some of
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the ways to navigate through that?
Love really is the foundation and love is also the answer to
that question. When we feel that self
deprecation, it's because of theconditioning that we've
experienced in the world. We have, you know, relational
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frame theory. We have to compare ourselves.
Everything is this arbitrary comparison that happens in here.
And remember, the mind is here to keep us alive.
It's not here to keep us happy. And So what we end up doing is
it's constantly going, well, what about this?
Well, what about that? Well, I, I don't meet that
standard and I don't know if I can compare to that.
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And so it's, it's constantly trying to figure out where it's
safe. And because of that, that
becomes our programming and thatwas what we operate from.
So we get into these places where we just beat ourselves up
because the mind is trying to keep us safe, not realizing that
that's actually hurting us. Yeah.
So you got this supercomputer that's sitting on your shoulders
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that's got faulty programming. Absolutely.
So how do we wipe the hard driveand restore a better operating
system? And is this beyond the mind?
Obviously, this is where, you know, I wonder when you are
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working with the folks, do you get them back down into the body
to feel what's going on? Because this is really, you
know, if everything is vibration, which we know from
quantum physics now. And there's an old indigenous
philosophy of three brains, right?
The gut, the heart and the head.The gut has trains and
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neurosensors, right? More than the heart, I believe.
And so it's connected to all thevibrations.
The, the chakra is another Hinduversion of the same thing,
right? You're connected, you feel
everything, even though you may not be aware of it.
Then the heart gives the opportunity to discern whether
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it's desirable or undesirable. It's kind of a Dallas thing,
right? And then and only then do you
take that to the head where you can make choices based on the
clarity of the information you've just received from your
body. Now, how do, how do we
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understanding that? And I, I see the nod of your
head, right? So it makes sense, right?
How do we incorporate that? How do you incorporate that with
the folks that you're working with?
And how do you incorporate that understanding in yourself?
Because I know you have. Yeah, the, the biggest piece
with all of that is to to becomethe observer, right?
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This is the part of getting out of the mind and, and gaining
awareness of what is actually happening in the body.
And so much of the world today gets into these places of
dissociation where they're not even connected to the body
anymore and they have no idea what's going on in the body.
And so we have to do different somatic practices and things
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like that to bring ourselves back into the body and work on
allowing ourselves to be OK withan experience, even if it's not
comfortable. And even don't the the
uncomfortable places where you grow.
Absolutely yes. You put yourself because it's
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new territory, right? There are things that are there
that you're unaware of, you don't know about, you're
probably frightened of because you don't know what you're going
to experience. And, and most of us, we don't
like change, right? I love it.
For some reason. I'm one of those anomalies and
not really an anomaly. I just learned that it's good
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for you, right? So embrace that.
It may be uncomfortable at the time, however, once you
recognize the process and the path and the cyclical nature of
it, you know what's on the otherside is going to be something
really tremendously useful. Yeah, well, and we do have this
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fear of change. I remember reading this a long
time ago and it stuck with me. But the idea behind it is that
our perceived level of difficulty plus our level of
resistance equals our level of suffering.
Have to recognize that if if we look at a sensation of feeling
and experience and go, Oh my goodness, this is too hard, I
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don't want to feel this, we suffer greatly.
Buddha says suffering is optional.
Yes, we can go through an absolutely difficult experience.
That is. I mean, I've had those
experiences that are heart wrenching where I just allow
myself to wail and feel the feels of it and then it
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dissipates. Yeah.
Right. But it is that allowance and
that understanding that it is going to end it's.
Not it's the energy flow, right you when there's no resistance,
when you allow yourself and thiskind of sounds we wish but to be
present, right and recognize what's going on within you and
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then just be OK with it. This is evolutionary.
Even on evolutionary, it's a maturation process that I
believe many learn through age. And yet, you know, it's like the
the systems that we have with the body, mind, spirit, planet,
and cosmos, right? Those are relationships that we
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have and as we gain wisdom, we recognize those.
Well, since we do, why aren't weteaching that to our children
instead of the programming that we give them?
You know, especially in America and, and West where we put them
in a box and, you know, teach them stuff and then expect to
regurgitate facts and figures or, or history or whatever.
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There's really not a lot of critical thinking in there.
How do we restore that? How do we restore the curiosity
that has been eliminated by our adulting?
Yeah, when it it's interesting. I mean, the there was a study
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done and they, I think it was NASA and they were looking at
the genius in children and saw that a large percentage of
children actually meet the genius marker.
And then they went through school and that shifted right.
And I think we get to a place now where we're just so used to
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this is how it is. And there isn't a, a large, you
know, population of people who want to challenge that.
But there are some, right? And the more that we understand
what just letting it be what it is is doing to us, the more we
can hold space for doing something different, right?
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And it doesn't mean that we can't utilize the the education
systems and things like that, but we do have to understand
what they do both good and not so great, and then be able to
mitigate some of that by workingwith the kids and helping them
to understand what's going on inside of them and how to show
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up. And I think the best way to do
that is to model that for them, right?
And as we do that, we hold spacefor them to do that.
Tough to do when you've got kidsraising kids today that have no
parenting skills or haven't beentaught them, you know, and this
is a situation that we've allowed to take place because
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they're, you know, dual income families that you have to be in
order to produce and survive it in the world today.
So that pretty much begins the disassociation of the family
unit, maybe not destruction, butthat also happens too.
Now, do you see that this openness or, or this willingness
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to take a look at those things and begin to reframe how we
address it? Do you see things like the NASA
study that that are being done to promote a greater awareness
of this and a shift back to, or maybe not back to, because I
don't know, wherever they're a shift to nurturing the children
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rather than teaching them. I do see that there is a bit of
a shift. There is a newer generation too
who is stepping up and going. I don't want to follow the same
patterns that were there before.You know, as a people, we are a
communal people. And yet, especially in the West,
we're very individualistic and, you know, even to your show.
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And capitalistic. Yes, but that idea of one world,
we were we, you know, we were meant to be communities.
We were meant to be in a cooperative place where we work
together in order to meet the needs of the community and.
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Truly one world and a new world.Yeah.
And the more that we move towards that, the more
possibility there is for that expansion because there's going
to be space for it. Now, Speaking of moving towards
in space, we're we're going to and now for something different.
What is it? And now for something completely
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different right in the old MontyPython line.
Hilarious, right? So taking that understanding
right and applying it to our, well, it seems to be our natural
revolutionary process, right? We've grown up, we've had
limited community, they've been separated.
Now we've got a global community, everything's
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connected, and we're still warring amongst each other for
resources instead of sharing them.
As we move forward, recognizing that we do have one planet, it's
sacred. We are sacred with each other in
this loving and being loved process.
Where is that going to take us? Is this something that fits in
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with what we're getting from outthere of and the folks that you
talked with and their experiences, are we being
nurtured to kind of rise to thatoccasion and recognize that, you
know, we really can't fit in in the universal family until we
can fit in our own family? Yeah, you pretty much hit that
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nail right on the head. One of the transmissions that
had come in actually recently with the Alliance, Sylvain, who
is running the Alliance for extraterrestrial diplomatic
communication, and he was askingwhat?
What is it that we need in orderfor them to come?
And it is this evolutionary process.
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We are not ready as it is right now because of the way that we
constantly fight with one another.
We don't understand what it is to be one world or to have that
unification. Well, there still is the other,
right? As long as we have that mindset
that there is an other, we're missing the point right in La
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Quech Mayan, I am another you right?
That's the reason I use that. This is something that ancient
wisdom now coming to the forefront and it seems like it's
being nurtured through quantum understanding, which is a really
wonderful explosion of new information that oh, hey, we are
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all vibration. You know, we're not material.
We instead of the the old 99% space and 1% material framework,
it's 100% energy. Now that has to do with the
consciousness that we wield in some, right, the awareness, the
attention, where we put our attention, intention and
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interaction, we manifest just like you were saying earlier.
What do we want to manifest? Do we want to love and be loving
or do we want to love and be loved?
Well, how do we love? What are the necessary things?
How can we define what that example is so that we can live
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it? What?
What do you find to be in in your work?
The essentials for getting there?
Yeah. Well, I like what you're talking
about in terms of, you know, what it is we look for because
there is such an integral piece in that.
I mean, if you're getting in quantum physics, right, that
idea of quantum collapse, and it's not what it is until it's
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observed. That idea allows us to
understand too, that if we're constantly looking for something
to be a certain way, we will eventually see it.
And so if we're constantly looking for something negative
to happen, we wait until that negative thing happens and then
we go see that's what it is. Whereas if we split that and
say, no, I'm looking for the positive thing, I'm looking for
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the love in this. I am looking for the joy, for
the peace, for the gratitude. That's what we see.
And then that becomes where it collapses.
And that's the conscious choice,right?
You have to be aware enough to to make that choice.
Instead of, you know, it's like you get a new car, right?
All of a sudden you see the samecar everywhere, right?
That's an unconscious patterned behavior, and how do we make
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that? Like Young says, how do we make
the young conscious conscious? Yeah.
Well, I mean, if we get into theneuroscience of it, that's the
reticular activating system. It's responsible for a sleep
wake cycle. It's responsible for where what
draws our attention. And so we can train that by
consciously thinking about beingvery intentional about what we
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choose to want to see in our experience.
And we have that gift of choice to do so.
That's what free will is all about.
You know, we can choose the the other direction.
We can choose not to pay attention.
Where is that going to go? Eventually you're not going to
like it, right? Because we're all about, you
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know, the, the life of abundance, the thrive ability
now is a buzz term, right, in that transformation of
intelligence. And, and looking at those
things, what I've also found, you know, we're the right left
brain, right there. There's been this, you know,
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historical argument about right brain's creative left brain's
analytical right. Well, we forget about and we
only focus on those two, right. And so here again, the polarity,
right? The polarity paradigm, what
about what's in between? Corpus callosum, right?
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That's the membrane that that everything that all the impulses
go through as they're switching sides.
Now also with that corpus callosum, at the base of it is
the epithalmis, and at the top of it is the pineal.
Now what about that relationship?
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Because those two internal organs are associated with
chakra system as well. Absolutely.
And the pineal system is really,you know, it's connected with
where we get inspiration and howthat energy comes in for us and
where are we filtering it through, right.
What is what is going on and howis that filter happening?
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What was really fascinating is there was a study done many
years ago where they actually split the brain.
Right down the middle. And they did this to see if it
helped with seizure patients. But they realized at the time
that they had a really amazing opportunity to study what was
going on in the two hemispheres of the brain.
And what they found is that it is the the left hemisphere of
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the brain that's responsible forwho we think we are, for the
individuated sense of self, because it's the part that
labels, categorizes, judges, does.
Analytical part. Right.
Exactly. Yeah.
And what's absolutely fascinating is that they found
that that part of our brain thatdecides who we think we are has
no bear. Like, it doesn't care about
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reality, it just cares about making up a story.
So what they had done is they actually showed things to the
right side of the brain. The body had a response to that
thing, and then the left brain made-up a story that it made the
most sense for the left brain asto why it had that sensation in
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the body. And what it really shows us is
exactly what we were talking about before, that we don't have
to believe all of the things that are going on in our head
all of the time. And so how do we begin to
differentiate? Is this just my patterned
thinking or is this an inspiration that's coming in?
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Is this something that is connected to the chakras that is
allowing me to open to a greaterconsciousness, to messages from
beyond? Or is this my brain just
spinning that hamster on the wheel?
Now, are there different stations that go along with
that? Because it would seem to me, you
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know, there's especially with the talk of the chakras and
kundalini and, and opening to channel, right, that there's a
focus in the crown and having itopen in order for that divine
light, whatever you want to callit, many words to filter through
and then permeate the body from that direction.
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Then there's also the opposite, right?
Because we're connected to Earth, we are Earth's children,
we're made of Stardust because we're taking all of our
nutrients from Mother Earth. So you know, that's a
relationship we don't really think about either.
We think of ourselves as separate from the yet on a very
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basic subatomic level and the nutrients that we get there of
the Earth. So there's also permeating
consciousness. So how or, or is there any kind
of discussions as to how those two merge in the body?
I think the Easterns call it themarriage of heaven and earth in
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the Hex. Grant the Dauda Ching, Yeah.
I love the DAO. Actually I was thinking about
the DAO as you were talking there one of.
My favorite? One of my favorite lines from
the DAO. It's actually, it's 70 or 71, I
don't remember exactly, but it says not knowing is true
knowledge. Perceiving to know is a disease.
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And so that idea of, OK, yes, that inspiration, that
connectedness to the heavens coming in, we have to release,
we have to empty. And as we empty, universal
knowledge can flow through us. But in order for us to do that,
we also have to be grounded, right?
And we have to be able to groundinto the earth.
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And Gaia wants to help us do that.
Well, absolutely, there's a conscious, you know, in the
study of consciousness, we have to, in my opinion, look at it's
not just us, planetary bodies have consciousness.
You know, that there was an experience I had maybe talked
about on Twila Talk that I was questioning the origins of the
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Trinity, wondering whether because it's ubiquitous in all
the religions, right, or seems to be.
And so where did it come from? If it's that problem, what, what
fractal started it all? And I was going through a multi
level awareness, also Swaggart'stechnique and in preparation for
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it, my guide that I'd known since I was a teen.
And this is 89. So I was 32.
I think he shows up and and he waves.
And this is internally I'm seeing with my inner sight,
right? So I see this Indian, ancient
Indians show up and it waves to me, as you know, and come right.
So I'm used to this process of being able to get out of my body
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really easily because that's part of what the design of this
is. So I was prepped to do so.
Upon doing so, we're traveling, you know, through the cosmos or
stars going by and then nothing but black.
And I'm trying to get an idea ofwhere we're going and I'm having
a conversation with them. We end up rehashing the last few
(45:21):
years that I hadn't seen him andyou know, he's kind of given me
a test of, OK, what have you been up to?
What have you followed, right, that kind of stuff.
And so then we arrive on this three sun system that has a
dozen small, really green planets surrounding it on on a
planar orbit. And the three Suns are probably
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100 times as big as these smaller spheres.
And I feel like Jodie Foster just coming out of the wormhole,
tears streaming down my face andthe awe of the scenery.
Right? And then I hear several voices
as one say, we are not only yourforefathers, we are also the
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forefathers of your solar system.
And I'm like, OK, I want to ask some questions.
And I start, right? And then Zephyr says, Nope, you
got all you need. You'll figure it out.
And I'm like, oh, man, right. So we come back and I already
got the, you know, macro if it is so micro, proton, electron
(46:34):
and neutron. And then I'm already thinking,
OK, now what doesn't fit in thatright?
This is that critical mind. Well, hydrogen is the only one
that doesn't. OK, so hydrogen then most
plentiful gas in the universe, powers the sun and is the
bonding agent for our DNA Helix.So is it possible that that
(47:01):
energy or the consciousness actually travels or is present
ubiquitously in hydrogen? I don't know.
You know, this is the, the weirdshit that I start thinking
about, just looking at structureand wondering of the
possibilities. I, I don't know, but sure,
(47:23):
there's something there. I don't know what.
And yet this also seems to be one of the things that gets us
to look beyond what we have hereand the potential of not
knowing, first of all, and just asking questions and having an
experience and then wondering, well, what's that mean?
(47:46):
You know, because I coming back tried to figure it all out
because I had the science and math in my mind and I had the
ability to do so. What if I didn't?
How would I see that? What would that kind of
experience promote? Right?
Maybe some like the the visions and things of some of the
prophets from the Bible. I don't consider myself to be 1.
(48:07):
It's some made because of the things I've experienced and been
able to report on. It still comes from that not
knowing, right? It's just like the void is the
nothingness, you know? And a lot of these people from
elsewhere, that's where they base their whole reality from,
(48:28):
is understanding the nothingnessfrom which everything comes.
That's where the word came rightfrom the silence was the word.
Well, from the void that we got,we got the light right.
Now, I always often wonder, is there like in this point of
light that we believe we have atthe center of our being?
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Is it just a shell? And is the void possibly what's
contained by it? And that through the intention
coming out of the void, through the light, we actually put the
form in process, I'll put it that way.
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Yeah, there's a quote from Rabi of Basra, who's a Sufi St. and I
absolutely love it. It says, you know, of the how I
know of the how less. But you know, we this has
happened so many times in the sense that something has come
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and inspiration has come and understanding has come.
The moment that the mind has to then put it into word and speak
it it, it almost brings it down a bit.
It does. It diminishes it.
Anytime we put label or a category or a definition it it's
us attempting to crystallize something we don't understand
(49:58):
fully and yet can at least get it into a a reasonable scope of
understanding so it gives us some place of solace to talk
about. Yeah.
And I think that it is importantto be able to have the
conversations, but I also think that it is very important to be
able to sit with it and to allowit to just just integrate
(50:22):
without the mind having to try to figure it all out right away.
It would seem that sitting is more important than the activity
because that in that silence is when we're truly available.
What do you find are good practices to to find that
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silence with, especially with those that you work with that
have anxiety or stressed and maybe a little frightful of
what's going on in their lives. How do you work with that?
Yeah, that's a great question. You know, we talk about
meditation and silencing the mind, and that's very, very
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difficult for a lot of people. And when we're first starting
out on a journey, especially if we have this fear of what's
going on in our mind or where our mind is going to take us, we
don't want to sit in quiet because we're too scared of what
is going to. Come, we're social animals.
We want to hand hold. But there's a couple different
(51:27):
practices that I found to be very helpful with that, and one
of them is super easy and you can find it on line.
It's called Leaves on a Stream. And it is a meditation where you
visualize yourself sitting next to a stream and there's a big
beautiful tree overhanging the stream.
And the leaves are just falling onto the stream.
And every time a thought comes in, you just go, oh look,
(51:50):
there's that thought and you putit on the leaf and you let it
go. And the very first step in all
of this is to just recognize what the mind is doing and
release judgement of it. Oh, those 70,000 thoughts,
60,000 of them are exactly the same. 10,000 of them are
original. Thoughts.
(52:12):
Right, right, right. And so I'm just putting them on
the leaf. And I mean the same, the same
pattern, same general, you know,self deprecation kind of area
where we diminish ourselves and,and we've got a bad habit of
doing that. So that that exercise that's
could be quite profound, I'm sure.
(52:33):
Yeah, It allows for us to just begin to understand what's going
on in our mind. It helps us to release judgment
of it because we're recognizing the patterns, right?
You talk about the computer, it's running a program.
We're just recognizing the programs and we begin to have a
bit of separation to begin to understand that my mind is
(52:55):
having all of these thoughts, but they're not who I am.
They're just thoughts that are happening in the mind, just like
clouds crossing the sky. And I don't have to hold on to
them. I don't have to grab them and
make a whole story about them and then let that become a part
of how I identify myself. Now, on the flip side of that,
(53:15):
you don't have to. However, is there value in
tracing where the thought might have originated in order to
fully understand where it came from?
Sometimes yes and sometimes no. We recognize that there's
intrusive thoughts as an example, and an intrusive
(53:37):
thought can just come in and it's got nothing to do with
anything. Maybe we watched a movie five
years ago and it's reminiscent of that.
Maybe it's, you know, a pattern now that has shown up in our
mind and if we begin to identifywith it, then we think, oh, no,
there's something wrong with me.Why am I thinking these things?
(54:00):
If we're able to go, OK, that is, I would never want that or
think that we're able to get that separation from it.
Then there's other times where we have that voice, right?
That that one that tells us how horrible we are.
And man, that voice is just like, I don't know, Mom, dad,
teacher, sibling, whoever, right?
(54:23):
That's important to know becausewe want to understand why we
have that pattern in our mind and we want to be able to go,
OK, this isn't my truth, this isn't my reality.
This is something that I've beenconditioned to and I have.
We're back to that word choice here and whether or not I want
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to keep that narrative as my ownor not.
It sounds like you're talking about the observer, right, Being
able to just watch and, and not do anything.
Now there's also another, you know, you remind me of my wife
(55:05):
and I were meditating out the backyard one time and and you
know, I'm always seeking, tryingto merge with right, because
we're twin flames and and we understand that we're always
looking for that inner experience that we can have
collectively, right? And so I'm in, I'm just
watching, right? And my mind's having a
(55:25):
conversation and then I'm watching the conversation and
I'm wondering about the conversation.
And then there's another, a third voice that comes in with a
question. Well, what about this or have
you, you know, and those new things that come in that give
(55:48):
you that insight because it's there.
It's just that like Doctor Laszlo says, right?
It's the higher self that we want to aspire to connect with.
And that has all of the information that I spoke about,
like connected to source, right?That's our source connection and
how we can grow in that connection by being available
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through learning how to quiet the mind.
And, and you're right, it's not a an easy practice.
One of the things I found that Iwas back in the college days, I
was tripping out like crazy and I was having a moment right
where I was just, OK, I need to get centered and not knowing.
(56:34):
I had my fingertips put togetherand sitting in on my lap and I
started feeling my heartbeat in them.
And as I started focusing on my heartbeat, I became aware of my
breath. And when those two combined,
everything, all the stress, all the, everything that I was
(56:58):
feeling that was not present, disappeared, banished, and I was
like, wow, that is maybe that's where prayer came from, right?
And it's deepest sense where you're, you're really getting in
touch with your own heart and your own breath and connecting
(57:18):
with your higher self that way. And it it when you're focused on
the feeling, you're not thinking.
Yeah. That's the amazing thing, yeah.
Well, and it's a beautiful practice too, right?
That idea of touching the fingers, because what we're
doing is we're making a conduit of energy that stays within us,
(57:41):
right? And so we're able to observe
what is happening and notice where we're at and be able to go
OK, within my own energy, I'm OK.
And the the really cool thing about that, you can do it
anywhere. You can be sitting in a board
meeting or in, you know, this contentious, you know,
production meeting with all his staff and realize, OK, I just
(58:05):
need to take a moment here and center myself.
And I found for my own practice of that, that you get insights
to contributions you can make that take that tension and
either eliminate it, diminish it, but it provides a way out
(58:27):
into something that brings the people together in their focus
toward a common goal. Because the most times you have
challenges with that, if you've got personal agendas that get in
the way that aren't spoken of, you know, the hidden agendas, we
call them bringing those out, recognizing those jobs, the
(58:48):
boss. We're here to do one thing.
And so we need to figure out howto get beyond ourselves and work
as a collective in doing so. And it's not that difficult.
And yet because of all this old style paradigm of competition,
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which has nothing to do with oneness, we have that
understanding of oneness which has everything to do with
collaboration, not competition. How do you find this transition
happening in the history of the work that you've been doing?
(59:29):
What have you noticed it in the patterns that have changed or
and or are changing in the process of this escalation of
consciousness that we're all part of right now?
Yeah, when we when we think about consciousness, I think we
we all have such different ideasof what that is because of where
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we're at in our journey. And so as it unfolds for each of
us, I think there is going to bea little bit of a uniqueness in
there. And what's been coming to me is
that it it's about encompassing all of what we are and we have
to be able to hold space for all.
(01:00:13):
Of what we are, which involves holding space for all of what we
all are. Funny how that works, isn't it?
It's pretty incredible. It is.
When we notice that right even here having a conversation, that
ability to understand that what is going on inside of me is my
(01:00:35):
own filters, my own experiences,and what's going on inside of
you is your own filters and experiences.
And when we're both able to recognize that we actually can
connect. Oh, yeah.
And and that's where the intention to connect at that
deeper level is what drives us, right?
(01:00:59):
It makes us available to where we have those serendipitous
synchronistic moments like we did earlier.
I was talking about the Dow and or the Yi Ching and, and you
pulled out the hexagram, right? Those kinds of things where it's
connected. It's obvious that it is.
Now, whether that's an energy exchange, an aspect of
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telepathy, because we happen to be in that loving space between
each other where there's No Fearor there's no reason for it,
right? We're not here to prove anything
to each other. We're here to question and
acknowledge and and have some fun.
Absolutely. And with that intention of just
(01:01:44):
having fun and connecting, we'reable to hold space for that in a
brand new way without having allof the other things getting in
the way. The problem is, is that we carry
so much with us that depending on the situation, we might run
into somebody who has a preconceived idea and they
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operate from that place and thenthat does impact us and.
We have. To go OK, what do I want to do
with that? Right.
Right. And again, it's that that choice
point because at any, at any point in time, we can take on
that victim role and we can go with it.
Sure. And yet there is the objective
(01:02:28):
at at least for me, of being of service.
And I think that is yours as well.
You because you know what? You know, we're compelled to be
of service and it's just part ofour being.
It there isn't a, it's not a matter of choice, it's just who
we are. Yeah, absolutely.
(01:02:50):
It may have been a matter of choice at one point in our life,
but I'm not so sure. I don't know.
I think for some there is that flexibility in being able to
kind of navigate through. And I think at other times, you
know, we come in with this mission and this is just what
(01:03:11):
we're meant to do and we know that to the core of our being.
And so there's nothing that evenwith difficult situations,
that's going to take us out of it for very long.
Speaking of that, this is this is a really important part that
I feel we don't think about enough, let alone the
possibility of it understanding all of this energy, that there's
(01:03:36):
order, there's a perfect order, let's say.
It may not be one. We understand in that, though,
if this whole notion of creationright, that there is a mission
of purpose, a reason for us. Is it to the point where on a
(01:03:57):
vibrational level that we have aspecific form, fit and function
in the world that we can acquiesce to by our release of
attachment to it? Understanding that it's there,
right is the first step because I think most of us, yeah.
(01:04:20):
Why am I here? What's the purpose?
Well, once you can love and be loved, then what?
You know, is there another layerof materialization for lack of a
better that then leads us to thebread crumbs that allow us to
(01:04:40):
express the skill set that we'vedeveloped in a completely new
way that actually edifies the whole instead of detract from
it? Yeah, I, I don't know, I think
that's possible. And I'm, I'm doing my best to be
an example of it and hopefully figure it out.
(01:05:01):
Right. And what?
Comes up for me with that. Is this idea of are we operating
from here or are we operating from here?
If we're in flow, we're not searching for the bread crumbs.
We're navigating through life and we're noticing the bread
crumbs and we just go, oh, OK. Nice distinction.
(01:05:22):
Oh, OK, right. And so it makes a big difference
in how we have this experience because I mean, it's true.
So often people are going, OK, well, what's my purpose and how
do I fulfill my purpose? We're never going to find it or
fulfill it that way. Well.
And that's the the push and pullof energy from that place right
where the other is. Flow.
(01:05:44):
You're not it. It's a natural course of action.
You don't have to think about anything other than your
intention. Yeah.
And so if I'm intending to just walk and flow with love,
anything can unfold from that. Sweet Jennifer, this is just
(01:06:06):
this has been a wonderful conversation where we're needing
to ascend into another space. What can you do?
You have something that's just aburning desire to share for
personal advice to others that they can engage.
(01:06:30):
Yeah, there's a roomy quote, notthe one behind me, although I
love that one too. But there's a roomy quote and
it's exhale. Only love.
If we could engage that, we'd have a completely different
world. That's powerful.
That is truly powerful. What a way to close.
(01:06:54):
Thank you so much. Oh, and on that Namaste and in
La Cets, thanks for sticking with us for this episode.
Don't forget to go to planetarycitizens.net and get
your free copy of the book. And Jennifer and I thanks so
(01:07:14):
much again for sticking with us,and I'll see you next time.
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