Ep 207 Can These Ideas Change the World in 2025?

Ep 207 One World in a New World with Eyra Moon and Mathieu Iking

Sound, Silence, and the Space Between🌌

What if music isn’t just sound—but memory, medicine, and multidimensional guidance?In this transcendent episode of One World in a New World, Zen Benefiel welcomes Eyra Moon and Mathieu Iking, the soul-connected duo behind The Halo Experience, an immersive sound and energy field designed to return people to their truest frequency. Eyra’s hauntingly beautiful voice and Mathieu’s energetic healing work create not performances—but portals.Together, they discuss sacred partnerships, creative surrender, the power of healing sound, and their shared journey from personal trauma to planetary resonance. This is more than music—it’s a return to the source within.💡 Can trauma open us to our soul’s song?💡 What happens when we get out of the way and let spirit create?💡 Is nothingness the most healing space of all?🎧 Step into the resonance—where voice, vibration, and unity frequency awaken the light within.Connect with Eyra: https://www.linkedin.com/in/eyramoon/Connect with Mathieu: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mathieu-iking-a1b3b72/Echoes of the Unknown: https://realworldlive.com #EyraMoon #MathieuIking #TheHaloExperience #OneWorldPodcast #SoundHealing #UnityFrequency #SacredSound #HealingThroughPresenceJoin this channel to get access to perks:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuZl_29zHxehqeL89KSCWFA/join_______Assisting in harmony among people and planet: https://planetarycitizens.netConnect with Zen: https://linkedin.com/zenbenefielZen's books: https://amazon.com/author/zendorZen's Coaching: https://BeTheDream.com Zen's CV et al: https://zenbenefiel.comThe Octopus Movement (non-linear thinkers): https://theoctopusmovement.org Live and Let Live Global Peace Movement: https://liveandletlive.orgActivation Products: https://bit.ly/btdactivation

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Check it out, find some benefit in it, and I know you will.
So thanks so much. This week's guests are Ayru Moon

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and Matthew Iking. They are two fabulous people
from the Netherlands who have found each other and have been
producing sound healing music for some time now.
So we're going to get into a really great conversation about
first how they came together, what music means to them, how
deep it goes and what the benefits are that you can

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experience. So don't go away.
We'll be right back. So welcome to you 2.

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This has been a wonderful flow to these moments where we can be
here together and and express ourselves in ways that maybe we
haven't been able to for a while.
Thanks for being here, Ira and Matthew.
So, but you know, we were just talking about ADHD.

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My I was talking and my head went elsewhere and I had an out
of body moment. So I'm back.
Let's see how we continue. Let's you know, the two of you
came together recently. First of all, let's who are you
and what do you do? We have a brief or I gave a
brief about your work and it's much more in the bridging of in

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our worlds than most of the interviews that I've done so
far. So I'm looking forward to
hearing more about this and and sharing it with our audience.
Thank you so much. Thank you.
Yes, Well, we met about four years ago, almost four years
ago. He was doing healing.

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He was facilitating healing energy groups and he asked me to
play hand pen and sing. And I was very happy single and
so was he. And we were just doing the inner
work, so to say. And I was really happy just
being on my own, having my friends, having my work.
And then a friend of ours connected us and she was smart.

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She knew how much I wanted to besingle and she knew about him.
So she said just play hand pen with him and see how it goes
from there just to work togetheror have a great friend.
And then I saw his YouTube videoand I was instantly, oh, OK, he
could be a a match. And that was really there's.

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Some possibility here, right? Yeah.
I was nine years single, so I was, I was really surprised by
myself, so to say. And then he asked me to play on.
Interesting. Pardon me for just a moment.
The nine year cycle, right, The completion, you were ready.

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And I was coming from a so-called twin flame story, so I
was completely fed up with everything I was done.
And then, yeah, we met for to play on your event.
And I was really weird because we stepped out of each each our
own car. And he said, now what?

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And. What a great question.
And let's work together. But yeah, it was a pandemic as
well. So when it was out of the
question to go to restaurants. And so we bought some food in an
in in the supermarket and ate inthe car with alcohol free
champagne. And he said, oh, you don't drink

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either. And I said, no, you don't either
check because I was done with alcohol as well.
And then yeah, from there on we just really clicked straight
away on the work as well. And then later on the his, his
guest actually said, the participant said, you know,
there's something going on therewhen you combine the energy

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healing with the sound healing. And that was actually for the
first time that something more seemed to be happening,
happening. And that was the reason why we
needed to connect. That sounds just amazing and
from your perspective and, and going through the process,

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longing for someone that you could connect with and yet being
happy being single. I, I get that, you know, I had a
practice marriage that I had 30 years that I waited till I found
or was introduced to my twin flame Luba Matthew, how about
you? What was your perspective of
what was happening? And then I'm going to dive a

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little bit deeper into the prep work to get there.
Yeah, I was actually when my awakening happened, I moved from
Holland to Ibiza, like got off or everything.
I was, I was doing, I was working in advertising and for

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some reason healing stepped in energy healing.
Long story short, you. Kind of need to be healed after
you've been pummeled with advertising, right?
Yeah, I needed a long boss of healing.
You know, it's like, it's a, it's a long story, but it helped
me get through all kind of kindsof addictions, ego bursts and

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stuff like that. And Ogilvy, of course.
Sorry. And Ogilvy, of course.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The thick book, I learned it
inside out. Yeah.
But I was in Ibiza and I just broke up.
Or not just but four years before I broke up with the

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mother of my son. And it was a very strenuous no.
Doubt. Interesting interesting
relationship I had to like heal from so I did I I was living on
a mountain and four years of internal work is actually it was
it was needed. So I was fed up with ladies as

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well, completely fed up. So in the end I was completely
open to receive. I didn't realize that, but I
wasn't expecting anything. I wasn't looking for anything.
I was just. It's the.
Whole thing, right, isn't it that the old adage is, you know,
whatever you're searching for, let go and it'll show up because

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you're searching that there there's a push and pull of
energy that doesn't allow thingsto really connect.
You know, and I can relate to the, oh, the, the trauma, my
practice, marriage, my, we had four kids.
I have 8 great grandkids now. And you know, then 30 years
later, I've been through severalrelationships hoping to find

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someone that I could connect with.
Never happened and then I was fine being by myself too, right?
I was just enjoying life and andthen I got to a place where
he's, you know, this just isn't enough And and come on guys,
look, you promised because I'd had an event early in my life
that kind of said, OK, certain things will show up at their

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appointed time, right? Not necessarily mine, but when
it's ready, it'll happen. And and it finally did.
And, you know, there were dreamsand visions and things that set
it all up. And then I get invited to a
Kundalini yoga teacher training graduation by a friend that I'd

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met two weeks prior at an outdoor music festival is
things, you know, the impeccability of the setup.
That's amazing. So I show up, I'm sitting in the
back of the room. This woman gets up, walks in
front of me and my heart literally flips in my chest.
And as evidence of here it is right?

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Had no idea who she was. She looked like my daughter's
age. And and so I was like, no, wait
a minute, I can't go there. And then she gets introduced and
Luba Brodsky is is her name. And I heard the Brodsky's like,
oh, Russian way cool, 'cause my life's been themed with harmony
among people on planet. What a better, you know, what

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better partner to have than somebody that's supposed to be
our arch enemy, right? And so that was impeccable.
And then, you know, walking up to her afterwards and saying,
you know, I find you intriguing and, and would love to get to
know you. Can we have coffee?
You know, I'll even make lunch for us if you're open to that.
The first thing she says to me is, are you reading me?

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So that launched it and, you know, and, and she's also
trained in in Mussorgsky Collegein Saint Petersburg as a piano
pedagogue and accompanist. So she has been at the level.
She accompanied Baryshnikov, forinstance, in her prior life.

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And another well known artist here, actor Patrick Swayze, his
mother had a dance studio and and he continued in that as
well. So she played for him by request
and it's an amazing sight reader.
She still has 26 students now and and she's pulling out stuff
every once in a while and just sight reading it and impeccably

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so. And it sounds classical, right?
It just sounds so amazing. But I digress, right?
So and I digress. So in this, as you're both
internalizing these functional factors in stepping into the

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your next steps in life together, what did you notice it
as the core prep work that you were able to understand and
perform to be available for it? I understand that in the moment,
you probably had no consideration of that.

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It was just the now, right? And it felt like, here we go.
However, we're often prone to kind of, of looking at things
that and examining, OK, what fitwhere and how and when and, and
all that kind of stuff. And did you do those kinds of
things in your own processing, whether you spoke about it to
each other or not? And I I'm unsure.

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In the beginning, I had a momentof tremendous trigger and fear
the first time he said that. I think I like you.
Do I have to respond right now? Shit, shit.
I'm not sure if I'm ready and what will I respond?
I'm not. I don't know.
I don't know. I don't know anything.
And then I completely got in my tower.

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But after that, he was so wonderful because I spoke to a
friend who did the same in tune TuneIn training as me.
And she said, are you not reallyafraid of that Summer will stay
with you for a change and get toknow you, the whole of you?
Is that not your biggest fear? I like crazy.

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And then I said, yes, that's that's my biggest fear.
Because then I, you know, when someone is always there with
you, he sees everything. Also when you're not that
charming and blah, blah, blah. So then after the breakdown, I
text him back. I'm so sorry that I didn't text
to you sooner, but I didn't knowwhat was happening with me and I

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was getting caught up in a old process and then he texted back.
Isn't an idea that we do this together?
And I was like holy shit I want to, I want this guy and this is
the guy. He so matches my vibration, no
vortex or whatever and then Yep.So he quickly we quickly spoke

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about triggers and fears and andbelief systems and past and
everything the. Frequency response.
Sorry, the frequency response. Yeah, definitely.
Yeah, yeah, I really got it. And the on the work area
actually everything flowed. We almost never, yeah.

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Now sometimes we, we speak abouta little bit, we we argue a
little bit about what do you want, What do you want?
But the whole development of themusic and the energy together,
we just had a in no time, we hada tour with, well, sometimes
even quite big churches and 100 people.
And then that just happened. And we called it the Hater

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experience. And we don't know who caught
came up with it, but it was justthere and we called it a
variance. And yeah, that's actually.
Do you find with the, you know, the common praise is law of
attraction, right? What you focus on, you produce.
And so knowing that, you know, if we're going to have some

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fears, let's make them good ones, right.
So your fear of that further connection brought it about.
And I'm, I'm wondering here, youknow, because in the recursive
function aspect of being the, the, the understanding that we
question ourselves continually looking for answers, right?

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So we dissolve into that nothingness in order for answers
to come. And being able to function that
way gives you the opportunity tohold paradox.
I don't want this, but I do wantthis, right?
Yeah. And going through that, you

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deliberate, deliberate yourself from that belief.
And then I really believe that you sort of expand your
consciousness and if you all do the entire planet at some point
will and that goes in layers. So we're not done.

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We're we're seriously not done an Awakens couple.
Sit in the car with us and you will know the truth.
That's fine, but I'm sitting on the other side of the world from
you and I still know it. Yeah, but you see stuff that's
unfair. No, but it's interesting.
When we met, I've I've I went through before I met her through

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a big shift in in going into trust and especially in trusting
me because my big theme was jealousy.
So imagine being in a relationship with a jealous
person. I'm not sure if you, but this is
like hell. At least not not not even for
me, but for the other part. Sure.

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Well, both, right? It's incongruent.
There's disturbance. There's a disturbance in the
Force, right? But I was, I was able to go
through that at a certain point.And that's why when we met, I
realized that this was, if you talk about frequency, there was
like knowing, knowing beyond, beyond all these layers of, of

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pain and stuff. So the recognition was was
beautiful. And that's why it flowed from
the start. You know, it's like free meat
and. And you feel the field that
you're in together, right? You're highly attuned to that
ability to sense resonance. And that continues because then

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you, as you, as you say this, I remember I was very jealous as
well. And imagine our, our audience is
almost always women and they allwant to hug and don't feel any
jealousy at all, which is quite new for me.
So yeah. And it makes sense because when
you are home with yourself, why would you be dead?

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Why would you be jealous? Well, it's funny you mentioned
that, you know, most of your audience is, is women.
When I first got into metaphysics and, and exploring,
you know, the area here in Phoenix, the majority of, of
people involved were feminine orwomen.
And so as as a guy, I was like kind of out of the norm.

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And it was an interesting navigation with all the energies
that people were unaware of thatthey would share and that I was
sensitive to and would often getthis reflection from others of
where they were and not necessarily where I was, which

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made it a little difficult. And, and, you know, those
different kinds of challenging emotions come up, right, whether
to move with them or just stay still and observe and recognize,
OK, this is going on. What, what's this about?
When you know, how am I feeling in my body?

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What's it mean? Is it something that I need to
pursue or something that I just need to be aware of?
It's a thin line. So in that for the the two of
you, we were talking about COVIDand this door opening that it

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facilitated and the two of you met during and slightly after
and you had put what a couple ofalbums or or produced a couple
of them to date. And then this next one that you
guys put together, the, I love the title Echoes of the Unknown.

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It's actually our first togetheralbum because the other one was
yeah, was on my own. Right, that that's the
distinction I was hoping to makeis this you were fine by
yourself and and now this opening happened and it let's go
back to that during that experience of COVID was there

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the well, obviously you took theopportunity.
That opportunity being to self reflect, to go inside to, you
know, the obsession on self hygiene and sequestration seem
to have a behavior modification effect that internalized over
time for some possibly, maybe wehaven't really figured that out

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yet 'cause we're still showing up, right?
How was that for you? Did you notice a, a deeper inner
quest independently? And then when the two of you
came together, what kinds of things did you discuss about
that? Well, we were already on this

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path, so for us it it was like, ah, yes, more.
That was the the, the response me and for her later on it, it,
it happened to be the same, samefeeling.
Of course, it helped for us to to go deeper and, and when we
met, we were able to to see whatwould come from that.

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But I was very happy that finally there was a mass
awakening in a sense happening. So that was really felt really
awesome for me. And yeah, we could see a lot of
shifts happening in people closeto us and, and, and during the

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gatherings as well. Finally people realized that
there were not these conspiracy theories.
They were actually seeing stuff that other people didn't want to
see. And, and all the mechanisms
started to unfold and everybody could see if they wanted, if
they could go through the fear based illusion, then yeah, we,

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we could see mass shifts happening around us.
But of course, when, when, when this all disappeared, people
started to because they were wired this way, going back into
their old habits. And now it's, it's we hope that
we have still, we will still be managing to to get them in that

(22:10):
same clarity. You know, that's that's more or
less the the whole purpose of what we.
Do as anything, you know life's a non linear spiral, right?
Sometimes non local even. And in that process is it being

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able to recognize it as such? We understand.
Maybe you picked it up as well. It seems, anyway, that there's
this greener understanding of patience, time allowance,
noticing things and just noticing rather than grabbing a

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hold of Yeah. Because who is getting a hold of
what? This this.
Yeah. It's hard not to bask in this
of. The Halo experience at the end,
so this is energy healing. During that there's a sound, I
don't like the word sound healing, but there is me getting

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melodies through and that does something to the people or the
people pick out something that they need.
And then we end with the meditation in which they
experience the nothingness. So guided to it, we go to a
field of nothingness and you candissolve your body.
Hey, that's interesting. There's still something that

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watches, that observes. And, and we hope because that
was my journey through the pandemic.
I was stuck in Spain. I couldn't go back because I
didn't have money to go back to the Netherlands.
And then I should call the embassy and blah, blah, blah.
And I was not ready, so I could and we were not allowed outside.

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So I was in an Airbnb stuck. So there was only one way and it
was going inwards. And I was very, very happy with
that because then I finally could go through layers for
layers for layers until there was nothing, absolutely nothing.
And I wanted to bring that back to the people.
So we, and because he facilitates his fields, that

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sort of, you could say dissolvesthe ego, which is always there
is always present. We cannot kill the ego and we
don't want to, but it's sort of the experience of having no ego.
So the the meditation and the experiencing nothingness.
Even people who didn't never meditate at all say wow, that

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was what was that? Right, right.
How do you explain that? It it's this deep sense of just
all knowingness in that. Yeah, it's.
Going. Home so people people know about
this but they don't know about. This they remember, right?
Yeah, we. Hear the talk about it.
It's just the direct experience of it that's lacking a bit.

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And and that's the the again, the recursive function, that's
the core, the source, right? That's where we go to make
inquiries that it evolves from that in each one of us.
We each are connected in our ownindividuated ways, and yet
there's a collective experience of that that can be had.

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And then the ego shifts to we go, we go.
Wow, that's nice. I love that.
Right. Well, isn't that what's happens,
right? You move beyond the ego, which
is about protection and direction and query and
thinking, right? And then you get out of the

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thinking into the sensing, whichopens up new worlds that you've
been able to provide experience of in a direct way, which makes
a huge difference, and think about things.
You can extrapolate about them. You can have all kinds of

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thought experiments until you have a direct experience of it.
I mean, that makes it indelible.Then it's the embodiment, as you
said. An old lady I know calls it
doors open from the inside out. That's.
Exactly it. And all the ancient scriptural

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things, calendars, all kinds of,you know, sages, soothsayers,
all those folks are saying the same thing.
You know, Blavatsky even did it.She talked about the layers of
having to descend into this terrible place because it's
frightening, right, initially. And then you realize, oh, I'm

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going to be frightened of. I remember that I was not afraid
of death all my life. You know, it's like the button
didn't wasn't pushed. And then I had this experience
of me leaving my body just for acouple of seconds, I was just
here and I was like, why am I here?

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I'm here, I'm not here, you know, and then the the
experience was already gone. But I had the experience of me
not being my body. Thank God the next day I had an
appointment with my, let's call it spiritual teacher.
And I said yes, finally, you, you, you know what the truth is?
I said, what is it? You are not a soul living in a

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body. You are a body living.
Or at least the next layer of it, right?
Exactly. You're inside out and that's
why. And then finally all quarters
like hit rock bottom. And I was like, OK, so this
makes sense and said the good news is you cannot die.
And for me, it was like, if you talk about remembering this was
a big moment, it's like, oh, andthen everything fell into place,

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you know, and then if you cannotdie, let's make a party, right?
We're here to to enjoy and make the the best of it, you know?
And therein is the bridge, right?
The bridging of OK, now I've hadthis, this experience.
Now what? You hit the pause button and you
wait. Yeah, exactly.

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A lot of shifts happened after that as well, which is because
you're shifting consciousness sothe next insights and and
information is coming into your system and needs to integrate as
well. That do you find did you find in
that process where and we spoke about this pre show is the

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practicality of things how how are you ground this
understanding into something that's shareable?
Well, it was the healing work that came through.
My experience is, is that I at acertain point started to
download certain frequencies. It's a long story.
I will not are you with it, but that's my understanding.

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And by doing that, and I, if I like, do a healing session,
these frequencies are available for people to bathe in and to
receive whatever they need. So that's the practical thing
when you're like, well. You you get the download, you
then you open the file, right? It's like, OK, what's in here?
That's really practical, right? It's like, and it's not me doing

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it. It was like it wanted me to
download and then be available to just be the door for people
to experienced it. And this is.
For me, the I, the self ultimately is doing it.
It's just a greater part of yourself that we haven't
connected with yet to understandthe magnitude of.

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Because you're always taught right.
Part of that programming is thatyou'll never be worthy.
Exactly right. Well, what if we are?
Yeah, that's a big one. Universe wants you to do it on
purpose, so no. Even worse, that's not a word in
the universe I don't believe in.Worthy or not worthy, it's

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there. And words often get in the way,
which leads me to the next question in this, excuse me, the
energy that you go into and comefrom in your vocalization, it

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provides just a panoply of opportunities, right?
To tune in and feel and sense and explore.
How did you begin to become aware of the effect that you of
the gift you have and the effectthat it has?

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Well, to be honest, I went to Spain for the music, but the
music industry, so to form and well, that was a good idea.
When the pandemic started, everything was closed.
Sure. So people had said to me in the
past, you have a healing voice. And it didn't make any sense to

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me. I didn't understand what they
meant. Yeah.
Tapping on his shoulder. Right.
Hello. No idea, but actually when we
started to work together, peoplesaid, wow, when you stand behind
me and you sing this melody, I feel my throat doing this or

(31:35):
this or my heart opened or people said that they saw
themselves in a in a column of light.
And then we were in the car and I said, Matthew, what, what is
that? What are people saying?
I've no clue. And and then we in over the
years, we started to realize that what what happens with
Matthew with the energy sort of,if you can compare anything at

(31:58):
all is happening through the voice.
The only thing that I do remember is that when I moved
back to the Netherlands, there there was a certain point that I
really well remember and I feel something happened there.
There was a beam of light shining in my attic and I was
just, it was a very dark attic. So I was sitting there and oh

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wow, the light. Let's meditate.
And something happened. I started to do like this, very
like becoming crazy and then turning like this and went holy
shoot, I couldn't even stop it. And then right after actually we
met. I didn't meet you back then yet.
So right after we met, I think maybe 2 weeks later or so.

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And then the whole thing started.
And then I asked the psychic, can you see what actually
happens? Why is the healing voice?
And he says, well, first of all,the sun activates light codes in
the DNA, and that's what you're doing.
OK, but what does it mean? Actually, the agreement, what

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happens to the person is alreadymade.
I could even just read this little How to manual and
something similar will happen, but through the Focals I just
put myself aside and just groundand then I just open myself up

(33:36):
for whatever wants to happen. And then melodies come and I
don't know where they come from and there's not me composing the
whole album. Echoes of the Unknown is
therefore has therefore that title.
I've no idea where they come from, but they come through me
on the spot in one take. Everything you hear on the album
has not been composed apart fromsong 3 by a composer, but the

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focus were there and were recorded in one take.
Sure. And that's the the live jam, if
you will, right where you open yourself up.
Mehalic Chikset Mihali wrote a book called Flow, the Psychology
of Optimal Experience. And in that he talks about it

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being like a jazz quartet that just loses themselves in the
moment. There is no identity, there's no
ego. There's just a conversation that
that is beyond imagination, Right?
And with you, as with all of this, our bodies are
instruments. We just haven't learned how to

(34:44):
tune them yet, which is all thatinner work that takes place.
And those sensations that your audience report feeling is that
happening. It's new.
All of this is so new. How do we articulate, you know
and share and find some commonality in this expressive

(35:08):
new language? Or do we need a language at all?
No, better not. Yeah, that's true.
It's all energy in motion. That's what we really this We're
all energy. And this is nothing new.
Even science already proved thislong time ago.
Absolutely. I interviewed Dr. Irvin Laszlo

(35:31):
several years ago. He just turned 90.
Amazing guy, you know? And he says that I thought,
here's the expression of ego, right?
I'm like, OK, so it's quantum physics shares that we're 99%
space and 1% material. And he's like, I would say we're
100% energy. And he's like, oh slap slap dumb

(35:58):
shit. But.
I was willing to go there, right?
It's like, OK, so let's test ourtruth and don't be afraid of it.
And if we're wrong, it's OK. Whoever has more information
will provide that. And we both get elevated that
way. There's even more that I wanted
to add because Matthew and I both like to visit powersports,

(36:22):
you know, like energy powersports, like a Stonehenge
or, you know, those mountains orstone circles or whatever.
And we've got Sedona here. Wow, it's the.
Big one, when can we come and. We will be there one.
Day. Yeah, because your the the
downloads started actually thereand now we hear as a feedback

(36:46):
from the album from people who do not know us.
Oh, with that song I saw Merlin's cave from the King
Arthur Castle in the UK. Check.
We've been there, that song we we saw, I saw the Scotland
Highlands and Yep Jack and thereI saw a tour from Glastonbury,

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Yep Jack. And that is as if you bring
those frequencies with you, it sort of gets.
In. OK.
Well, you're curious, right? It's we are what we focus it on
or not, right? If we don't focus on anything,

(37:28):
we carry everything. And in that especially, you
know, Sedona area, we actually got married on the base of Belt
Rock in the fall equinox of 2017.
Been going there for years. And, and with his vortexes and
experiences, there's this just elegance, if you will, of how

(37:53):
the expression of what is comes through.
We just got back from a short stand up there.
We caretake my mother-in-law, She's 91 years old, advanced
dementia, frontal lobe. And so we get a respite every
once in a while. And so we went up to Sedona and

(38:13):
we had this experience with the moon and, and clouds and things
that were just exquisitely synchronistic with the
conversation that we were having.
So much so that it was both of us witnessed it.
It wasn't just a singular. And, and that's where, like with
U2 right there, there's now foureyes witnessing, or at least two

(38:39):
eyes right from that inner spot that are witnessing and the same
thing and sharing perspectives of it, which further anchors
that drop in the pond, if you will, that then ripples through
the rest of the thoughtmosphere.Yeah.
Exactly. Yeah, and we just loved it

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there. Before I knew him, I was just
there and I don't know. I was drawn to Karnak in France,
which is like a row of stones for miles and miles, but I had
no clue what could be there or and then he of obviously was
already known to subtle senses like warm hands or a little bit

(39:23):
of more beating of your heart orwarm hands or the energy's
different and and therefore I started to notice that too.
But for me as a child, that was so normal that I had no clue
that there were, that not everybody sensed that because
I've always had warm hands. When a dog would run, run over

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the street and would get by a car.
I immediately did this as a child.
And I didn't know why I thought that everybody did that.
Or I sort of fell asleep in my later on, from 12 on to 2:30, I
was very much asleep. And then because of working with
him, I started to notice those differences, and especially at

(40:07):
these energy spots. Yeah, sure.
Well, you know, not necessarily you were asleep, you were just
taking a a well deserved nap fora while.
Yeah, well, I started to believethe others that was the problem
and that that needed to be happening because then now I
understand clients much better, or the participants in the Halo
experience. Absolutely, you have to have

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that experience and and you know, like Matthew was talking a
bit ago about having to be inside something in order to the
advertising world, right? You have to go into it, suspend
your belief system of it in order to gain the clarity that
it presents, whether it it's something that's disturbing or

(40:55):
something that's soothing, right?
That's the whole Dallas and it goes back into the body and the,
the instrument, right? And what is the, I think it was
the Maori that it came probably further back, the aboriginal,
right, The three brain system, the gut, the heart and the head
and that that's how we should process.

(41:16):
I think it's not that shooting yourself is good, but the
optimal experience is to processfrom the gut up rather than the
head down 'cause we stuff stuff into the body and then wonder
why we feel disease or dis easedin this process.

(41:37):
But how did you guys figure out together what this was like for
the two of you and how to empower it to evolve within you
and your work? It's really interesting that you
talk about the gut because I realized after a little while
when I started doing the healingwork and, and realized that I'm

(41:57):
in my head and I need to go to the heart.
And I said, oh, I realized that I was actually living from my
gut all my life. I just didn't listen.
I had like this chronic, almost chronic pain in my gut because
I, I was at the wrong place for 30 years.
Realizing this when I look back now is kind of sad, but it's was

(42:21):
good as well because. It's training, right?
It it's you know this, pardon mefor the interruption that don't
be harsh on yourself, right? It was all good.
It it served its purpose and andyou are where you are as a
result. So everything worked out just
perfect. It's absolutely excellent.

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It's, it's looking back and, and, you know, noting the
signposts and, and the experiences and things like
that, that. Being in this environment, I
mean this, this was a result of my upbringing, my belief
systems, my subconscious beliefs.
My father survived the war, he came back, survived 4

(43:05):
concentration camps. So I imagine what his situation
was when he started a family introvert.
So he wasn't able to express hisfeelings.
So OK, big family, I was the youngest.
Have fun. So this is where where all this
insecurity came from and this not being able to express my
emotions and this of course, in a work situation as well.

(43:27):
You know in your gut that this is not right what's happening,
but you are not able to process it yet.
And that was the whole study, ofcourse.
So everybody gets his bag full of, let's call it interesting
perspectives, but mine ended. I ended up working very hard
because my father did as well and this was his.

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Well, it's a work ethic, right? You have the same work ethic
where wherever you are. And then ending up in a burnout.
And with all these addictions, Iwent through all of them to
dampen my emotions. And then at a certain point, of
course, the lit, when you start waking up, the lit explodes and

(44:10):
then everything comes out, whichis good as well.
An interesting journey. And then the healing started.
And in my case especially, it had to do with starting to do
healing work myself. So that was where everything
was, of course, in retrospect, very a beautiful story
afterwards when you're in it, especially the addiction.

(44:33):
Like it's not that I wasn't an alcohol.
It's excruciating at times. I mean, come on, let's get real,
right? And yet it takes us back into
that recursive function of querying ourselves to OK.
What am I missing? Me, the real me, that was my I'm

(44:57):
missing. I was always giving, giving,
giving, hoping that they would see me.
Even in the music industry. I was just 19 and already.
How do you say that? 19 and naive.
Yeah, I did that very much. And I was singing.
And then you get a how do you say that contest.

(45:18):
Yeah, I, I won all the contests already and I was cute and very
slim and it was all ha ha. They see me.
So I was singing to be seen. That didn't work.
So doors, doors closed, obviously.
And then I started to work with the composure and I thought, oh,
now, now maybe. Now they now this is my opening,
you know? Nope.

(45:39):
Because that was not in my cards.
It was in my cards to step, stepaway from all of this and then
let the focus come through. How they come through now and I
don't know where? What?
And yet there was learning in that too.
You got to experience and embodyyourself in different ways as

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you were elevating to the level that you wish to ascend to.
Or at least you were further along the path, right?
The thing is that you knew the path existed at this point,
which many don't, you know, manyright now are questioning, well,

(46:21):
why am I here? What?
What is going on? Why, why, Why?
Because there's so much confusion and chaos and yet all
of these things are simply patterns we haven't recognized
yet and or learn to adjust. But there are several phases of

(46:42):
consciousness, conscious awareness, I feel so those
people and we used to be like that as well, like me being
singing, singing, singing because I wanted to be
recognized is existence. You know, it's about existence.
Be it proof that I exist. That's and then you see that's

(47:03):
not it. And then you get into, OK, I
have to give more and more and more and, and then no, that's
not it either because I'm not happy and and the whole universe
or I even at some point gave so much that I became homeless and
had that experience for a few years.
That was not fun. But after exactly that was my

(47:27):
maybe the best thing that could happen to me because I was at
Ground Zero zero. I went to nature and in nature I
became so calm that the tune insurance came in the the the
messages from the universe. It was not really a voice, but
it was sort of a voice and it helped me to yeah, find my true

(47:47):
self. The nothingness, the.
Your natural self, this is this is what I I believe and and
would and stake my life on it. This is all natural.
This is what we're seeking is who we truly are by design.
And these layers are are happening that's elevating.

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It's like Spiro dynamics right in the Co creation wheel there.
There's all these different aspects of self that are siloed
at present that we're attemptingto say, OK, now let let's bring
it down to horizontal and and more.
I think Dee Hoc calls it a chaotic organizational
structure, right? Where there's no hierarchy, it's

(48:32):
just tasks, and everybody fits in where they're designed to do
so. Yeah, and then there's the face
that you go through for, oh, nowI know it all.
Ah, that's that's the spiritual ego.
This is how. The first works.
You know guys, I will tell you there's a me telling you how it
works. That was funny, 'cause when you

(48:54):
wake up from that space that youhave no clue or maybe just 1% of
this incredible universe, then you better say I don't know
nothing at all. And that's the fact that we are
in, right? Now I can tell you how it when I
my metaphysical days in the 90s,I can't tell you how many people
I met that were supposedly the reincarnation of.

(49:16):
Yeah. Yeah, right.
Olean. Oh my God, why?
You know, why does identity matter?
So just be. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. And your identity will come
through naturally when you get out of your own way and try to
be something. Yeah.

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Plus, what if everything is partof the oneness?
What do you mean? In a former life, I was
Napoleon, but the former life issimultaneously all at the same
time right now. So what if we all sort of tune
into that former life, Napoleon,and sometimes we've been Hitler

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and sometimes we have been a particle of, I don't know, we're
just the sum of particles, right?
Right. And it's all adjusting us in
order to find the harmonic frequencies of the rest of the
universe so that we can fall into order.

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Yeah, it's amazing, isn't it? Idiots.
And to be able to talk with people as I've been doing over
the last four that we're going into our 50 year now, it's just
been an amazing educational experience for me.
Corroborative reciprocal elevating, you know, having a

(50:44):
conversation with a quantum biologist about the the notion
of hydrogen being the conduit for consciousness.
Wow. Interesting and that came
through on his own from his research and and understanding.
And for me, I queried, you know,where the, the Trinity came come

(51:06):
from? And, and during an out of body
process and, and facilitated sequence, it got hijacked by a
guy that I met during the same time in in college.
And I was taken to a three sun system with a dozen planets
around it. And the three sons took one

(51:27):
voice and said, we are not only your forefathers, we're also the
forefathers of your solar system.
And so I wanted to ask more questions to dig deeper.
And Zephyr says, Nope, that's it.
You get all you need, you'll figure it out, right.
OK. So you know, I already knew that
the triple 6 was the carbon atomand the number of men, right.

(51:52):
So breaking down the macro, the three into the micro, which
would be proton, electron and neutron, all the elements in the
periodic table fit with the exception of hydrogen.
So is there a missing link in hydrogen that that provides that
tertiary framework that's in therest a little differently?

(52:14):
So there's a connection to and through the Sun's.
Hydrogen power is the sun. It's the most plentiful gas in
the universe. What else to do?
It's the bonding agent for Adna Helix.
OK, bingo. Yeah, yeah.
So all these things are there, right?

(52:34):
It's just connecting the dots that we've been oblivious to for
a while because we didn't have the technology or science to dig
that deep or or the intellectualunderstanding to have the
queries. I mean, for me, I just still
feel like a kid asking dumb questions, right?
But they're not so dumb because they're so simple.

(52:56):
Well, it's about it's about letting go of a lot of concepts.
That's what we are been realizing because we've been
bombarded with concepts due to believe in which is like, did
you, did you, did you experienceit?
Did you, did you check it? Did you check Love is Did?
You check for understanding, right?

(53:16):
Yeah, some basic questions like what is love or you know, what
is existence of or so ask the right questions and then you get
the right answers. And otherwise you're just stuck
in concepts, you know, and it's these are all use of filters of
not seeing the the real truth. And that's, it's a super
interesting process and you get more empty and less

(53:39):
knowledgeable at the same time. It's like my, my at least that's
my experience. And I, I think a lot of people
experience this, that my memory is going now.
It's like very basic things justbeing erased And, and by that
process being more and more a channel of I don't have a clue

(53:59):
what I'm saying like this, this.I probably will not remember
what I said during this you. Make perfect sense to me because
you're truly this is how you stepped into the now.
Exactly. Yeah, right.
Even though SU said, you know, if if you're stuck in the past,
you're stressful. If you're in the future, you're
stressed, right? When you're in the present,
there's no stress there. There's just simply the being

(54:21):
and the willingness to step intothat moment without attachment
to outcome. And that doesn't mean you don't
plan and strategize, right? Because there's all this
curiosity that's still there is OK, What?
What can I do? Who can I be?
What can I do with this? What, where can my gift fit best

(54:43):
to have that reciprocal activityright?
Because as we give, we also ought to be receiving.
Most difficult thing to do is toaccept that.
Reception. You think it's the big it's.
Like, Oh no, I don't deserve this, right?

(55:03):
Especially for people that are in the light work field or
energy or whatever, you it's like receiving is the if you
really get that one, then then you're nearly there.
I guess because it's. What it really is?
Like giving, you know, it's likesaving the world and stuff like
that. And how often do people actually
extend themselves to help somebody, right?

(55:26):
This is the one thing that I learned in the aerospace
industry. At 26 years old, I was in charge
of $7,000,000 a month desk, 800 part numbers for commercial
spares. And I was the youngest person in
the department. I, I'd gone through those hoops,
right? And I noticed that others around

(55:47):
me, 35 person department people were beating each other up to
try and get the job done right, threatening, I'll go to your
supervisor if you don't do whatever, you know, and being a
material, we had to move things,but that was our responsibility.
And I just had this Midwestern, hey, how can I help you do your
job while we're doing mine right?

(56:09):
What can I do for you? And tremendously successful.
I was at the top of the production list for months in a
row. And then they finally came to me
and said, what are you doing? And I just, I'm just treating
people like I'd like to be treated.
And several years later, they instituted interpersonal skills
classes because I pushed for it and ended up being shoved aside

(56:33):
because of it because I was a disruptor.
You know, that was my first experience of corporate culture
and what not to do if you want to fit in.
But it wasn't about fitting in for me.
It was about doing the right thing and being in integrity
with myself. Beautiful.
Yeah. Me too.
That's how you learn, yeah. And that just filters through

(56:57):
everything, right? It's how we interact with each
other when we have that choice of what to say or do and we
pause and reflect before the activity, whatever that may be.
And like with you, the the tuning in for the toning to come

(57:20):
out, right? Yeah, tuning in for the tune to
come out, This is that tuning ofthe body.
Your body is your instrument andyour voice is that communication
that you're making it a very deep soul reflective level.
And you can feel it and sense it.

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You've got the proof by the reflections from your audiences.
Yeah, I'm very curious what you sensed.
I don't know that I can put words to it and I just recognize
the connection that you have andhow you express it in those

(58:04):
ways. Now I'm a little prejudice.
I was looking for places to playin it.
I am, you know, I've got a 10 piece drum kit in a formal
dining room, right? So I'd like to express myself

(58:26):
much differently. And, you know, my wife and I are
both percussionists in that way.Her music is a lot more
beautiful because I can't play, you know, all the different
notes on the drums, although I try that kind of expression, you
know, it's that jazzy fusion, whatever happens.

(58:47):
And, you know, for a decade and a half, I I played with some
guys that that's all we do. We just pick a place and play to
it and, and not know what was going to come out.
And so hearing that, that's where I went with it.
It's like, Oh my gosh, I would love to be inside this space and
participating. We will one day we go to Sedona

(59:11):
and we will the in the. The invitation of this album is
not to approach it as music. So that would be the invitation
for the next time for you to listen and to close your eyes
and to go inward and see what happens.
Because there's two of us. There's an energy captured in

(59:33):
the album as well, which makes it.
Worse, that's the basket and thumbna dance that makes it so
perfect. Yeah, it's a real big field of
different frequencies through sound and energy.
And what will it do with people that see invitation?
But we are, we have a, a, a future.

(59:54):
There's no plan, but there's something that wants to move
through US and that is to do this life with musicians like
yourself. To see what happens if we.
I would love that that that. Would be outside place with
beautiful lights and and beautiful audience who's ready
to receive. And each concert will be

(01:00:15):
different because we'd never know what will come.
Experience that you know, with the guys I was playing with for
years, you never knew what was going to happen some days were
better than others of. Course, but this is even beyond
improvisation. It's in.
Yeah, it's in. Improvisation.

(01:00:36):
Yeah, it's beyond. It's beyond because
improvisation is still, I know how to play, I know this rhythm
and I go rhythm. And this is at least, at least
that's how we experienced it. This goes beyond that because
she didn't read. Not a patterned response, it's
it's just an opening. First track was actually an

(01:00:59):
error in the in the studio. There was a test tone out out of
nowhere and the technical guys were like shit, where's it
coming from? That should should not supposed
to happen. Can we shut it down?
Where's it coming from? And I said, wait, we we would,
we said that we would use everything and embrace
everything. This.
He ever says OK, let's start with this one.

(01:01:20):
Recorded right now and I was standing behind the microphone
and the melody that you hear waswas recorded in one take.
Used to test. And it has nothing.
To take wonders, right? And because we invited
professional strings as well, who are used to playing by notes

(01:01:41):
and they they arrived and OK, where, where are the notes?
There are no notes. Right.
This is my wife. And I thought because she's
classically trained, you know, and it's the classical training
is so precise. Each note, each inflection, it,
it goes with, you know, what thepiece is supposed to represent.

(01:02:01):
So that kind of training often makes it more challenging to let
go and jam 'cause you're used tohaving that structure.
And the few times that we have found space to do so has been
absolutely profound. Oh.

(01:02:23):
Wow, we can imagine. And a bit scary.
Uh huh. Right, That's good.
Yeah. Our guitarist was also like,
what do you mean just play? Just play.
So he gave him a session so the ego would be out of the way.
And then the most beautiful sounds ever came.
It's a six six track. And you know, if you especially

(01:02:47):
when I would love to play with you and your wife and sing with
you and see what happens. Because what if something else
will take over her hands and lether play piano like she can
never believe? Then that's when the magic
starts. Absolutely.

(01:03:07):
Well, you mentioned earlier about, you know, all the
different past lives and whatever that we may have or not
had. Being able to open yourself up
and play into. When I was first learning how to
play drums, I, I bought 2 sets, put them on my dorm room.
One of the sets belonged to a friend of mine's uncle who'd
passed away. And my first real challenge was

(01:03:31):
playing along with fly by night and I loved that album.
And there was a piece that I just could not.
The kit that I had at the time is 9 piece.
I had a 20 inch bases of Por Tom.
So the in process I I was havingtrouble and I'm finally I just

(01:03:52):
paused for a moment and I said the guy's name was David Starr.
And I said, Dave, man, if you can hear me, if you love these
things as much as I do, give me a hand here.
Help me out. And then it was weird.
I felt this almost like an egg breaking on the top of my head
and this fluid flowing through me and I, this is 1975.

(01:04:14):
So I put the the needle back on the album and nailed it.
And so from that time for a few years later, I'm married.
The drums are in the room upstairs above our bedroom, and
I'm at work. I was meat cutting at the time.
I got a phone call. My wife is just hysterical.
She goes, you're drums, you're drums.

(01:04:35):
And I said, what about them? She goes, I heard them.
And I said, well, that's Dave just trying to tell you he's
there not to be afraid, right? Because it was very melodic and
it didn't work. So those kinds of things, when
they happen, some can embrace itand be OK with it and some pull

(01:04:58):
back and it's like, I can't dealwith this because that unknown
factor is uncomfortable still because of whatever fears are in
place. Yeah, it's the unknown and.
That's why the session comes to place, because when he creates a
high frequency field that lessens without doing anything,

(01:05:21):
it's not the person are trying not to be fearful or they're
just being and the energies dissolve it.
Is that good English? Yeah, sort of.
Because when you put lights in adark room, there's lights.
That's basically what happens. And the dark's still there.
Uh huh. And it's welcome.
And it's very welcome contrast, yeah.

(01:05:44):
That there there's back to the recursive function, right?
The paradox, the holding it, that without distinction.
And so there's that Unity frequency for lack of a better,
but hadn't really called it thatyet.
That's a very good name actually.
I love that. Can we use that as a name?

(01:06:06):
By all means, I don't own anything, it just comes out my
mouth, right? Who cares?
Yeah. Really beautiful, yeah.
Yeah, that's interesting. So this unity frequency that we
wish to tap into and share is what is bringing us all to a new

(01:06:27):
level or new living awareness inthis new normal as a result of
having gone through COVID and ascending from it, which draws
everybody else. And ultimately, you know, it
just makes sense. Where are we going to go?
Who are we going to be? What are we going to do?
We got to figure out at boundaries or illusions, right?

(01:06:47):
We're on one planet, we breathe one air, we have one water,
we're in one, you know, solar system.
It just makes sense that we would ascend to that order, if
you will, over time, right? And it because we have that
capacity of free will and using it in contrary ways.

(01:07:14):
There is still this momentum that has to be built in in order
for that energy to begin to, I don't know, I started to say
funnel into and I'm not sure that that's really what it does.
It expands out of because this consciousness, we are the earth,
We all the, the cells in our body come from the materials

(01:07:38):
from our planet, right from our mother.
So we are her children, literally.
How do we learn how to respect our mother?
We haven't. That's part of the process.
We respect mother, we respect father, we recognize, like you 2
and, and my wife and I, we're learning how to blend the

(01:07:59):
masculine and feminine because we each carry both.
And then how does that dance reveal itself in the best ways
possible? And how attentive can we be to
that and get out of our own way in the process?

(01:08:22):
How do you find that? What, what advice could can you
give to others? I mean, both of you, you've had
this wonderful expressive you, you can articulated it extremely
well at a very sensory level. How could What might others
benefit from your insight and wisdom?

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Shall I start this time? Please do.
Because it just just popped up when you were talking this
getting out of the way is the whole journey, at least for me.
I'm I'm speaking for me. But I think we recognize this
both because, like, as I said, we started off in the
advertising business first inflate what's in the way as to

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an amount that's like it didn't fit in the room and then deflate
and then realized that there's not even a you.
If you start looking for you, then where's you?
You know, if you really go really deep down inside of you,
then where's the you? Maybe you're just a hollow

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vessel that's just allow it to, to go through you and just, and
you're just the observer of the experience.
And this is, this is the journeyfor me.
And it's this is about the, the,the biggest thing for the, the
whole wake up story. And this is how I teach the, the
way to work with healing frequencies as well.

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There, it's available. There's nothing to it.
You don't have to do any difficult things.
It's just there. Just get out of the way.
And the thoughts come simply from your observance.
Exactly. Right.
It's a natural flow of that energy.
So that's, and that's super scary sometimes, but if you go

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through another layer, it's like, oh, enlightenment is for
me, this, this journey to let goof everything.
You know, my, one of my teacherssaid the spiritual way is throw
everything away. It's just OK, I'll collect a
new. So would that be in darkenment?
Sorry, in darkenment, yeah as well.
Yeah, no, but this is if you don't embrace the dark.

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Good luck going to the light because that's that's of course.
Yeah, don't judge it right? We have this tendency to really
be self inflicting and that's not loving.
What really helps for me is, is sometimes saying to myself, if

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I've if my mind takes over, I amsource energy.
How would source energy look at the dark.
There's darkness. Hey, there's darkness.
OK, Hey, there's light. Hey, there's a feeling.
Hey, there's a thought. And then you immediately become

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the observer of it. And then you can choose to go
deeper or sometimes not and sometimes just acknowledge that
it's there. And if it's if it stirs up a
certain emotion, you best stay with the emotion.
It's like with clouds. There's a cloud.
Do you want to push the cloud away or do you just see there's

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a cloud and before you know it'sa cloud or the mist or the
whatever is gone and then. Or you can play with your
psychic gifts and see if you cando some cloud busting.
Yeah, we tried. It's funny, especially with the
trails. Yeah, Yeah, it's funny.
Everything is possible and and as you say, play with it.

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It's to play. We should play more as a child
because you make it so serious. Oh, there's an emotion.
So what? Wasn't there a guy that said be
ye as little children, right? And we still don't get it.
We're we're too busy adulting. Oh my gosh.
Stop doing that. Yeah, yeah.

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Especially us, everybody. Yeah.
Oh, yeah, You know, if you want about the darkness, just look
around you. All right?
Yes, we have a lot of light on the planet, but during, you
know, when the sun's behind us look out into the cosmos,
there's more darkness than light.
And so in that, you know, the nothingness, one of the things,

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and I've heard this from severalsources, I'm going to jump into
outer space and, and interdimensional or intra
dimensional beings. And they basically said, Hey,
you guys, you know, you don't understand nothingness.
This is where we get everything from.
Exactly. That's what I've been saying as
well, yeah. It's a ubiquitous truth in

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consciousness, so it's going to reveal itself when you're ready.
Exactly. Yeah, that's somebody asked me.
Oh, I want to I work with energyand and I sing and I want to
have and I want to do this as well.
I want to do this, do this healing Focals.

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How do you do that? I don't do anything.
How can I teach someone to do healing frequencies through
sounds? Not but I we can teach you to go
out of the way and see what happens, but maybe it's not
sound. Maybe it's something else?
Exactly right. And and you know, for my

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transformational coach for 20 years and still do it
occasionally, I love it because I asked those questions like,
OK, so you're making a shift andyou don't have to eliminate all
the skill sets that you've acquired, right?
Because they were purposeful. It's just repurposing them now
to something new or different that edifies your beingness

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rather than uses it for some other's purpose and being able
to, you know, assess the skill sets and have people dive.
I got a 13 page survey that I use.
It's just, it's probably ridiculous, but it, it gets into
that those deep areas of self reflection, right?

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And being able to, to look at, OK, here I am.
What do I truly, what's my dream?
Who do I see myself as potentially being?
And then how can we set up an action plan that that gives you
at least a step by step activityor flow to open yourself up to
the environments that can provide that?

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Because there's really no pat answers to it.
It's an individual journey for each.
However, the process is always the same.
And it changes because I teach the people that that visit my
practice, so to say, or the training, what wants to come
through today. And you cannot make a business

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around it. So that's quite a challenging,
but actually. So will you make another album?
I don't know. I don't know if there's album,
if it wants to come through it will, but I will not pinpoint
myself or put myself in a jail that I have to create new

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albums. Maybe some got.
To produce, got to produce. Get the whip out, you know?
And it becomes an industry now. Well, that's what Matthew's
experience in advertising, right?
Got to produce, got to produce, Got to produce.
Yeah. That's a good training.
Trust me, if you get that 35 years of training out of your
system, it's it's really challenging sometimes.

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But well, I would offer that's not really out of your system
because it provides you the discipline to do what you do
now. Yeah, but in a totally different
way. Absolutely.
And not with the burnout, the chances of a burnout and but the
other way around. Right.
Well, it's the internal discipline, not necessarily the

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external right? It it's the the the query of
self and then paying attention and doing what comes right.
That's where the the being converts into doing.
Imagine like this is like this is the buzzword in advertising
deadlines. I mean realize what it does to

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your system, the stress, the full on stress.
Well, it's a competitive language as opposed to the
collaborative. Rather than deadlines, how about
life lines? Oh wow, yeah.
Fun, fun lines. Or what musicians as well, They
have a deadline because there's a release date.
We said to each other, yeah, if we do, we have a release date.

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No, we see how it goes in the flow and if it's ready to
release, we release it, right? Yeah.
And that's a difference way of approaching, but it's very
important that you're. And the nice thing is this, the
shelf life on the process and the information is there's

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there's no end date. No exactly.
It's wonderful. You 2 have just been lovely.
I'm so warm, kind, compassionateand caring.
It comes through and and your being as it comes through and
your music together. And I know that that effect has

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to ripple through the thoughtmosphere in in some
magnificent ways, and I'm looking forward to witnessing
those further. Wonderful.
Thank you so much. It wasn't amazing and I think we
could talk for hours and we really need to go to your place
to make music and go to the power spots and.
Make some plans, yeah, that might come true, that.

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May come true. Yeah, it'll.
Be wonderful. We'll look forward to that and
anticipate the possibility. Absolutely.
We allowed, yes. We allowed the possibility, yes.
Absolutely. Thanks so much for being with us
and wow, wonderful. Thank you as well.

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