Ep 210 Awaken to Your Inner Light with Sunny Dawn Johnston 🌈

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Now, this week's guest is an oldfriend.
I've known her for decades. It's sunny Dawn Johnston and
we're both Phoenix Valley residents.
She is ACEO and Co founder of School of Light.

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She's also, interestingly enough, a psychic medium, a
spiritual mentor, and an author and speaker.
Three of her books are Invoking the Angels, The Love Never Ends
and 365 Days of Angel Prayers. So stay tuned.

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Sunny, it is so great to have you here.
There's been a long time coming.It's been, gosh, years since

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we've had a chance to to chat. And I'm loving this opportunity.
Thanks you. Thanks you.
Yeah. Thank you for being here.
Thank you. Thanks for the invitation.
I'm happy to be here, happy to talk to you after, yes, decades.
It's been, man. When you start saying decades,
you're like, oh, what's happening?
I know I don't feel that old, right?
I still feel like a teenager. How about you?

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That's. Right.
Exactly. Absolutely.
And I bet you still act like onetoo.
I think so. I know I do I get in trouble in
public. So, you know, we talked a little
bit and you're kind of familiar with the challenges that folks
are going through today and, andthe nature of being able to tune

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into oneself. And in order to do that, we've
got to talk about what's going on inside of us.
We live half inside and half outside.
That's kind of an awareness that, yeah, we know it, but we
don't really think about that. And speaking about that is even
more difficult because of how wesee others being berated, you

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know, institutionalized, deemed crazy, insane, all those kinds
of different things. And yet, those who do, we find
that they are full of insight and wisdom when we pause our
judgement and criticism and justlisten.
Sure. Curiosity.

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So my curiosity is, is currentlywhen you began this journey,
there was getting to where you are, you know, with the psychic
mediumship and those kinds of things.
That's a very special gift and talent and it begins early.
What did you experience as a child that made you realize

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that, oh, there's something moregoing on here that maybe others
aren't aware of that I need, need to pay attention to?
Well. You know, I think, I think that
in my young years I had a sense of it, but I didn't I didn't
really have the words to explainit.
I didn't really know why I felt different.
I didn't really know that. I didn't know that it was

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something even that was different than anything else
until when I was 13 years old isactually when I became
consciously aware. So I think all, all of us as
kids, you know, we just are taught to shut it down.
We're taught to ignore, taught to deny it.
Right. We're wide open, you know,
Absolutely. We come in, there's no
boundaries, there's no guidelines.

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We're just curious. Yeah, absolutely.
And I love the word curiosity. It's such a perfect word because
it is. It is the word I used to explain
my entire journey because that'swhat happened.
So when I was 13, I, I went to bed one night.
I woke up and at 1:00 in the morning and I saw this colorful
winged being above my bed. And you know, her, her energy

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was very peaceful and calming and loving and gentle and all
the things. And I was just like, like it
felt just like safety and it felt like connection.
It felt like love and, and I wasso I felt so good about it.
I just rolled over and went backto sleep.

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It didn't even. It didn't even my mind.
Better than engaged, right? Yeah, The next morning I woke up
and my mind kicked in and I'm like, Oh my God, what was that?
Why'd that happen? You know, all those things.
And and so I ran downstairs and I told my mom.
And my mom said, well, Sonny, that was your guardian Angel.
And I said, I don't think I haveone of those.
And she says, well, of course you do.

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Everybody has a guardian Angel. You have a guardian Angel too.
And I'm like, I don't think so. If I have a guardian Angel,
they're not doing a very good job.
She's like, why are they not doing a very good job?
And my 13 year old brain was like, listen, if I have a
guardian Angel and I'm having troubles and struggles and
challenges and not having friends and things like that,

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then my guard Angel isn't doing a good job Because shouldn't
they be like making you happy and keeping everything good,
right? That was my 13 year old
mentality. But what really created the
awareness for me, Zen, was that she said to me afterwards, she
said, well, you do have a guardian Angel.
And I just want to let you know that last night at 11:00 at

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night, I came in and prayed overyou and I asked God and the
angels to keep you safe because I've been worrying about you and
your, you know, lack of self esteem and, and, and some of the
struggles that you're going through.
And what when she said that, I recognized two things.
The first thing I knew and I knew was that I had awakened to

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the manifestation of my mother'sprayer.
That was the first thing I knew.The second thing was that I knew
that it created an awareness of curiosity in me.
Huh. If maybe that is a guardian
Angel or something, right? I want to experience.
I want to see, I want to feel. Give me more.

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Right, exactly like I, I want to, I want to know that because
that was the, that inner connection and that and that
connectedness. I, I knew it was real.
I knew it wasn't something I made-up.
I knew it wasn't a dream. So it sent me on a journey of
curiosity that has gone on for 41 years.

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I'm still here today and I'm still curious.
Yeah, and me too. You know, I had a similar thing
when I was a kid. I was orphaned and adopted
early. And when they brought my adopted
sister home was 4 1/2, and I already had the unconditional
love. There was never a question.
I didn't really think all that much about, you know, the
biologicals and why they gave meup that those questions weren't

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there. The question that remained was
because I've been to Sunday school already, if I have a
father and mother in heaven, canI talk to them?
And a few weeks later, I am on stairwell and looking out the
front porch window at night and I hear this big booming voice

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just penetrate my whole being. And it simply said, hey you.
And it was so loud and yet it it, it wasn't frightening at
all. It was powerful.
And I heard it. I knew I heard it.
Instead of engaging it like you,right, I spun around.
I said, mom, mom, do you hear that voice?

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What voice? That voice says, you can imagine
a 4 1/2 year old that voice, it said, hey, you.
And she says, no, I didn't hear any voice.
Must have been a peeping Tom. And I realized, oh, something
else is going on here. And so shortly thereafter, dad
worked nights, Mom would be in the kitchen, I would be in front

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of the window in the living roomand project the boy.
This was at night, right? Lights on, can't see out.
So I would project that same voice out and I would stand and
I would wait hoping it would come back.
Of course, like you were saying,kids got, you know, well,
neuroscientists say we got 70,000 thoughts a day and kids

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are are using all of those, right.
So when I finally learned, I don't think I'd learned.
When I finally happened to shut up internally, the voice
returned. It's been there ever since.
Yeah. You got to be quiet, right?
You can't answer the questions with what you think you know.

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You got to ask the question. Shut up.
Yep, Yep. So when you shut up, how did
that affect the relationship that you began to have with your
guardian Angel and and how did that evolve what kinds of of
things that you experienced thatothers might as well?

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You know, I think that I had a really hard time shutting up.
First off, you know, I think when we first have experiences
with our intuition, with that connection to spirit and
whatever form that's showing up in, whether it's it's through
angels or guides or God or or our loved ones in spirit or
whether it's that higher self and that voice comes.

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Through many forms. Yeah, yeah, lots of different
ways. I think that that initially I
was almost like trying too hard.Like I wanted to understand it,
right? Like my 13 year old brain said,
OK, let me go learn more. And so instead of getting quiet,
what I did is I filled the spacewith, with learning.

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I went to the library and I, I, I went and asked, you know, hey,
are there books about how to talk to your angels?
And they're like, no. And I'm like, well, that's what
I want to. Communicate to give you the
weird look and like. Right.
And I was raised in Salt Lake City, UT, so let's just add that
to the story. Wow.
Right. So, yeah.

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So she just looked at me and shegoes, which old section?
Oddly enough, honestly I was an elder in church for a while as
well and the reason I went into it was OK, this is they at least
professed to be aware of all these gifts and talents and
skills, but yet there was a rigidity in their level of
acceptance of them from others who weren't sanctioned.

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Correct. And for sure for women.
Yeah. So men, yes, they have the
gifts, they have the, they can hold the priesthood, all the
things, right, right. So, so when I went, they told me
to go to the occult section. I didn't even know what occult
meant, but so I went to the occult section and when I went
to the occult section, there were books on astrology and
numerology and runes. Those were the only three books

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there were in the library in Salt Lake City, UT.
So I checked them all out and that's what I started with.
And what what happened is I I very quickly realized none of
these books have anything about angels in them so but.
They have frameworks that the angels could work in.
They did, yes, for sure. But what I started to do is I, I

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went the other route. I, I thought, well, I didn't do
anything to 'cause this to happen in the 1st place, so I
probably don't need to do anything to have it continue to
happen. And so I, I would think, I mean,
figured I like, OK, what did I do that night?
You know, I tried to repeat it. So what I did was this is what I

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did. I just, I guess this is my form
of prayer at 13 because I was not, I really rejected the
church because of all of the sure stances and situations.
Yeah. So I just.
Rejected the Church, yet there was that inner for lack of a
better devotion. Yes, absolutely, and that
awakening that was happening, but it was in almost like I felt

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like it was in defiance of like I couldn't both right, So I'm
going to go this route. It's not a city in Ohio.
Pardon. It's not a city in Ohio.
Exactly. Exactly.
So what I did then is I actuallyjust, I talked out loud and I
just said, OK, I'm not sure who you are.

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I'm not sure if you're an Angel or not.
I don't really know where you came from or why you came.
But I would like to have more experiences like that.
I would like to feel you again. I would like to see you again.
And I would like to learn more about like your world.
And that was my prayer. And I didn't really know that
that's what I was doing then, but that's exactly what it was

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and what happened. It's words with intention.
Absolutely. And coming from the heart, you
know, it was very, very heartfelt.
And what happened was not only did that guardian Angel in the
form start coming back, but so did a slew of other angels.
And I kind of felt like I was inclass, like I was literally

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being played by the angels. And I'd say, OK, well, what you
know, and I'd feel these feelings and, and, and like when
Michael would come in, I'd feel this strength and I'd feel this,
this like my whole body would get like this, you know, like.
Wow, sensations. You know, it's I've learned we
can't think our way through a system built on vibration.

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We have to simpler way through. Exactly.
And, and, and so that's how it started for me as I started
embodying the feelings of the energy of the different, these
different beings. And, and so that was exciting.
And I would take notes, you know, OK, Archangel Raphael, I,
I can feel and see and sense thecolor green.

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Michael, I can feel and see and sense the color blue.
So I just kind of kept these notes in like I was in class
with the angels and I kept doingthat.
And that started opening me up to my inner world, right?
Like that's where I started getting quiet.
But then what would happen is I'd have this cool experience
and then I'd be like, OK, nobodyelse is talking about this

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stuff, but maybe they're just not talking about it because
people just don't talk. So I start talking and I start
sharing it, and I shared it witha friend of mine because at that
point, this is about 6 months into it, her grandfather had
just died. And so we were, you know, at 13
back then. You still went out and played,
you know, it was, you were still.

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Yeah. Yeah, and the girls were a lot
more open with each other than guys.
This guy's a name. We're talking about that.
Yeah, I would imagine, absolutely.
So I, so I, I, we were out playing out in a park and I saw
her grandfather next to her and I said, Oh my goodness, your
grandfather is here. And she's like sunny.

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My grandfather just died, remember like 2 weeks ago.
I'm like. Yeah, I know.
Yeah, I know. You.
You just think he did. Right.
But, but he's like right here, right next to you.
Like right now he's there. And she goes, that's not
possible. And I said, well, it is.
Yeah. Like he's, I'm telling you, he's
right there. And it freaked her out and she
went home. And that usually happens to most
people, right? When you see something that they

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can't, yes, it doesn't make it any less real.
Yes, yeah. So she didn't understand it and
and. And what we don't understand, we
fear. Exactly.
And so that's where the fear trigger came from, right?
Well, she told her parents, and then her parents told all the
other parents, and then all of asudden the friends that I had no

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longer were friends. Oh man, don't you just being
ostracized like that, It's just wrong and yet you got to go
through it in order to temper your metal.
Yeah, well, it's at the time it was devastating.
No doubt. It caused me to then stop it

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all. You know, I don't want to do.
I don't want to. I just want to be normal.
And that's what I yeah. I just want to fit in.
Yeah, I just want to be like allthe other kids.
I just want to be normal. And then and then I would be in
that energy for a little while and then I would dip back in.
I'd have an experience or I'd have an insider.
I'd have a feeling and then I'd feel, Oh my God, this is so
cool. And then I'd be like, Nope, I

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just want to be normal. And I actually did this for 15
years, back forth, back forth, back forth.
And I mean, I had miraculous experiences, not like just
intuitions and synchronicities. I'm talking like life saving
experiences and I still then after a little while be like I

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just want to be normal. I just, I don't want people to
think I'm weird or different or whatever.
Guess what? Sunny is normal for you.
Exactly. I absolutely.
And, and, and that's what I, I came to understand and that that
entire experience growing up, I didn't fit in in lots of ways.
This was just one of them, but it built up a strength in me and

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A and A and, and helped me to step into an identity that in
the future, when I was 2830 years old, I would need to have
that thick skin. And I would need to be able to
not care what people think. Because even though nowadays
we're having this conversation and they're all over, right.

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And then and then and, and we have absolutely, this isn't a
fringe topic any longer. Not like it was anyway back
then. It was hard and you know,
because. I had the pleasure of being of
seeing the inside of an institution because I shared my
story after getting beat up at afrat house.

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And you know, and my parents were all, I understand they were
frightened for their adoptive son, right?
They didn't understand what was going on.
And that fear causes a lot of things, even choices that aren't
necessarily the best. And yet because they're made,
there's still that process of going through.
And had I not experienced that, I wouldn't have the empathy for

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people who find themselves in that situation beyond their own
control, right? And especially kids, you know
when they're when all they want is somebody to listen to them
and help them figure things out,not tell them or diagnose them
and drug them. Right, because help them tap

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into their feelings, right? Like, yeah, what are you feeling
like not just not just emotionalfeelings, but feeling in your
body as well, because our body is, is signaling.
Instrument. Right.
Absolutely. The body's an instrument, we
just don't know. How best Oracle we have?
Right. Yeah, the best Oracle we have.
So I, I did that dabble back andforth.
So I don't think I, I really wasable to own it completely until

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I put myself out in a way that Icouldn't hide any longer.
And that happened when I was 28 that that's when it started.
And I have an idea that's probably not too far from when
we first met. It probably isn't.
Yeah, I've been, I've been in this field for about 2527 years,

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something like that in professionally working, right.
So I've been studying it for 41 years, but for the last, I
forget how old I am sometimes, yes, because I just keep getting
older and it's this amazing thing, right?
So I'm like, I got to, I got to add a few more years on to that,
so. Basics 20.
Oh, and it was just yesterday that it happened.

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Exactly, exactly you got. It dilation, right?
Yep, Yep. Yeah.
So in that quagmire that you were in for for a bit, what were
some of the key things that you found within yourself that
helped you to get through it? Whether you know it was internal

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or or a friend or mentor or evena book, or you know the things
that helped you at least stay partially centered.
You know, I feel like I didn't have a mentor and I didn't have
a friend and I didn't have anybody to talk to.
I feel like I had this deep, deep sense of knowing that there

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was a reason that it was happening and it wasn't just by
chance and that I needed to, youknow, I got very depressed, very
disconnected in my life. I went through a lot of, of, of
trauma. I had a baby as a teenager.
So there was a lot of, of chaos and I created a lot of struggle

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in my life. But there was always this part
of me, even though I didn't feelgood about myself and I had a
lot of self esteem and self value and self worth issues,
there was this part of me that'slike, I know there's a reason
for this. I know there's a reason for
this. I don't know what it is.
I just got to live through it. Like and literally like, like

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literally try to live through it.
Correct me if I'm wrong and and we don't really know because
we're not talking to a bunch of other people.
I have that same experience as well.
There's that deep inner awareness that, yeah, even
though others don't experience what you're experiencing, may
not understand it, think you're weird or whacked because you're

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experiencing it, that doesn't change the experience.
And that's the only truth that we have.
That's absolutely true and and it wouldn't it it never went
away. As always, it.
Does. Right.
Well, because it doesn't you. You can choose the way we.

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Go away. But it didn't go away.
I didn't go away. I was.
Always there. Yeah, I would distance myself,
but it never went away, right. And so I think what happened for
me is I, I really was just like,you got to live through it.
You got to live through it. You just got to get through it.
You just got to. And I didn't know what I was
getting through or where I was going.
And then. You trusted.

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I, I there's an. Element of trust that that.
I did. Becomes present.
That's beyond in it. It's like love, right?
The perfect in perfect love, there is No Fear, right?
That whole thing. And so it's that sense of
perfect love and you don't understand why or how it just
is. Yep.
And and and I knew it was biggerthan me.

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Yeah. And so my job was just to figure
out how to live through it. Yeah, absolutely.
And so and so that's what I did.And then when I was 28, I had
two women that were very close to me, my my son's paternal
grandmother. So I had separated from from

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his, his birth father, but I wasclose to her.
She passed away in July. And then my grandmother on my
mom's side passed away in December.
And right after my grandmother died.
And she, she died a very, very tragic death.
Right after she died, she came to me and she said, you need to

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be my voice. I've never had a voice.
I've never had a voice in this life.
And I need you to be my voice. And, and my grandmother had
Alzheimer's and she walked out of her care facility and froze
to death. And so it was a very tragic
death. And it was also absolutely
purposeful because that was her voice.

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And I mean changed laws you. Bring up something that that I'm
sorry, having a conversation earlier today, you know, we see
these things at a human level. Absolutely.
And we don't understand, if we go to the observer level and
beyond, right, that it's still in perfect order and exactly how

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it's supposed to be. We're just attached to what we
think it ought to be. Yeah, you got it.
And then I knew, I knew like immediately I knew there's a
bigger purpose. And, you know, I think that this
is important for a lot of peopleto think about is, you know, my
my grandmother was an alcoholic her entire adult life and she

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was abused her entire adult lifeby my grandfather was very
abusive background. And so she developed
Alzheimer's. Makes sense to me.
Yeah, let's forget about all this shit, you know, do
something different. But when she when she died the
way that she did, there was and and and she came to me and said,
be my voice. I knew that what she was doing

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was creating purpose with her life that she never felt like
she had, and that even though itwas difficult to think about the
way her physical body went, thather spirit was like, freaking
free. Like I'm free.
Yeah, there's no veils, right? We we create them or we create
the belief. The idea, yes, exactly the idea.

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And so, so we went, I mean, we changed laws in Utah.
We went to Senate hearings in, in Washington, DC.
Like we did a lot of work and, and, and, and I was able to be
that voice. And so when those two women,
they got up, they got together, they got connected in the spirit
world, and they're like, we got to get.
They're up there just dancing away.

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It's like, yeah, let's see what we can get her to.
Do they're like, it's time, let's get Sonny going so it's
time for her to get her shit together and do what she's meant
to do. And so I literally felt like
between the two of them, I felt this, I'm going to say pressure,
responsibility and like, come on, girl, quit.
Quit trying to pretend you're a stay at home mom.

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That is not who you are. It's not what you do.
Yeah, you feel that kind of. Not that there is a push or
pull, however it feels that way when you're being drawn into it.
Absolutely, absolutely. It felt, it felt very necessary
and it and I also felt that I had such resistance that I knew

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I needed to step into that resistance, right?
Like when we have resistance, there's a reason why it's there.
Oh, absolutely. That door, that that door.
To fear it is first of all an illusion, and it means that
whatever you're feeling tense about, you need to lean into.
That's the next step in my life.Anything I have fear in that's

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the next step, right. So, so that's what I did and,
and, and they, you know, they forced me into, I like to say
from the other side, they're like, OK, go girl.
And I did. And and that's when I started
stepping out doing readings and,and, and things like that just
to open that door and then sure.I mean.

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Then, in a sense, all you did was just acquiesce.
Yes. Right.
It was there for you all along. You just finally said OK.
Yeah, let go of the resistance, surrender into it.
Yeah. And then, and then my entire
life changed. You know, I mean, the reality,
my entire life changed. So I sure, I, I, you know, I

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created this really amazing, beautiful business.
You know, I was on food stamps and welfare at 18 years old and
you know, I have a multi $1,000,000 business and I've
been able to help serve, you know, 10s of thousands of people
and, and make a difference in a ripple effect and donate a lot
of money and do a lot of good. And so I feel so, so grateful

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and so blessed for all of it. Because even those times back
then that were so hard that I was like, I don't want to, I
don't want to even live the nextday.
They planted, they laid the foundation or something greater
that I wouldn't have, just like you said, I wouldn't have the
compassion for the people that are walking that journey, you

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know, and, and, and I feel so blessed because I was able to
answer that call. It took me a long time.
That phone rang for a long time.Well, and that's the thing, as
long as you finally pick it up, right, it's going to continue to
ring until you pay attention to it.
Got it. Or you completely deny it and go

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the other direction, which is a choice you can.
Have a choice too. Right.
Unfortunately, you know, we, I know I'm speaking we because we
both feel, I suspect that that'sone of the best things that you
can do is pick up the phone, right?
Answer the call and it's going to be full of trials and

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tribulations. That's how it's made, right?
You cannot. When you're given the knowledge
and responsibility you have to act.
Yeah, and if you don't, then at some point you'll get a cosmic 2
before upside the head. Had enough of the, Yeah, I had
kind of the idea that it's, you know, I had a very full life and
a very challenging life. So when I was like 2829 and I

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started, I'm like, OK, I give in, I'll do this.
I'm like, oh, it's going to get so much easier.
That was not what happened. It wasn't that it got easier.
It's that the lessons got deeperand they got stronger and they
got more expansive within me andoutside of me, right?
Because. Did you find that in so doing,

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that deeper level of trust that you built opened up new doors to
other things, other realms, other beings, even deeper
connections with those that you already had?
Absolutely. How did that?
Can you give me an example or give us an example of something

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that was highly impactful, that is a that offers evidence of how
connected things are? Well, I'll tell you that when I
first started doing this work, Iwas doing psychic readings and

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helping people through those kinds of readings for about four
years and four years into it and, and, and I kept having
mediumship show up. So the deceased energies kept
coming in, but I kept pushing them away because I did not want
to deal with them. I'm really empathic.
So I feel the emotion and I would feel the not the emotion

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of the person died because they're fine.
I'd feel the emotion of the story and all the energy around
it, right. So I don't want to do that.
I don't want to talk to the deadpeople.
There's entire thought form around that is energy, and
you're going to feel it. Absolutely.
And I really did not want to do that because it would make me
sad and it would make me sick and all the things.
So for years I just lay like, Nope, I'll do readings.

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I do readings. I don't do that stuff.
And then I had this bright idea and I think it was 2000 and, and
two to do readings at the State Fair.
And the State Fair in Arizona, you probably know is like 21
days. It's a long State Fair.
It wasn't my brightest moment, but I thought it was.

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So they've never had anybody do readings there before.
So they had, I had to jump through all the hoops and I did.
And and so I was about 10 days into doing readings at the State
Fair and there was a man that's that was walking down the the
aisle where I was and I saw him and I just knew he was coming
for me. Right when you just know like.

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Okay, here we go. And I.
Was I was worn out, I was. I was done and I could feel his
energy and it was so dense. And I will say I was quite
judgmental because I could see, I could just see in his energy
field, he just had a very hard Rd.
I could see that he'd had addiction issues.

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Like I knew all the stuff and I'm like, I just, I just don't
want to getting that energy right now.
So I grabbed. My guys, really.
Yeah. And I grabbed my book, and I
kind of, you know, like, was hiding behind the book, hoping
he would just pass by. And as I'm sitting there, he
just comes up and he grabs his chair, and he flips it around,
and he sits down. He's like, all right, read me.

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And I'm like, OK, because, you know, I'm nice, too.
So I'm like, all right, So we sat down.
We start talking and as I'm reading him, there's a little
boy that just is jumping up and down next to him in in spirit, a
little boy in spirit. He's jumping around next to me,
super excited that he's sitting down and he's like, Oh my God, I

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finally got him here. Like he's so happy, right?
And I'm like, sorry buddy, I'm not talking.
I'm not doing this. I don't, I'm not doing
mediumship. No way.
And I already could feel so muchpain in him.
I'm like double down, ignoring, right?
And the little boy just keeps jumping out like he's trying to
get my attention and come on, just listen, just listen.

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Just Nope, sorry. And I just kept doing the
intuitive reading with the guy. And then finally the little boy
just says, well, fine, then justtell him it's not his fault.
And I'm like, Oh my goodness. So that like I felt that in my
heart, right? And I'm like, OK, so I sat and I

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listened to this little boy and he told me and he, he gave me a
vision of the exact thing that happened and how he lost his
life. And I started crying immediately
because it's horrible. And and so I told the man, I
said, listen, have this little boy, he tells me his name's
Christopher. You know, he's your son.
He's about four years old. He's been gone a couple of

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years. And he tells me to tell you it's
not your fault. And the man just melted in front
of me. He just like the pain and the
shame and the guilt, it just started.
And I witnessed that with my eyes and like he was shape

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shifting and and the little boy gave me a whole the whole
experience. And I knew that this little
boy's mother hired people to take his life because he
reminded her of the dad. And the dad was in prison at the
time. And so he felt like it was his

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fault because he wasn't there toprotect him.
And because he she, he reminded him her of him.
And the we spent an hour together and we both cried
almost the whole time. And he got up a different

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person, literally. Oh, no doubt you made a huge
just the the fact that he paid attention first of all and came
to you. Something drove him, yes.
Absolutely. And and and even.
Though my. You know, and even though my ego
was like, I don't want to do that, my spirit knew, right?

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And I believe I signed up for that whole damn fair 21 days for
that one experience, that one experience, because what that
did for me, because after he left, I couldn't stop crying.
I actually had to leave. I was nauseous because the the
the the mother had the the boy murdered and.

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Yeah, that whole thought form, yes, right.
It's just horrible to experience.
Yes, it was. Because all the the malevolent
energy in it, yeah. And I couldn't shake it.
I couldn't. I just, I couldn't shake it.
But what happened afterwards, I was walking to my car.
I left early, which you weren't allowed to do.
And I'm like, well, screw it. I, I can't even function.

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And I was walking to my car and my guides said, and they talk
strongly to me, especially when that little ego part of me comes
out. And they said, now what right do
you have not to do the work thatcan help somebody heal like
that? Well, you got a point.

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Yeah, and you know, it's funny how when you hear those things,
the level of piercing truth. Yes, I had to hear it that way.
That they have it is just and you can't deny it, right?

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And there are those types eithercuriosity, the, the willingness,
the, oh, I think I know this perfect example.
Not to that depth, but I had an interview with Doctor Irvin
Laszlo several years ago. And I thought, OK, I know a
little bit about quantum physics.
And I, I said to him, you know, in quantum physics, you know,
we're 99% space and 1% material.And he said, you know, I would

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say we are 100% energy. And that just went to my core.
It's like, Oh yeah, dumb shit, right?
So, you know, those kinds of moments, it's like you, you
build layer upon layer upon layer of understanding and

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knowledge and application. And yet there's still that ego
not wanting to be, we go. Right.
And it's that last step over thechasm, if you will, where we go
actually does bring things in, and it takes you to a whole new
level because you recognize the level of service that you are

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able and must offer. Yeah, it was, it, it, it was and
is part of my purpose, right. And I was ignoring it and I was
denying it. And and that man, you know, and
I've crossed paths with him before or since and I've stayed
connected with him. And little Christopher pops in

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every so often. He was the teacher for me that
day to say, listen, there's people need this.
And we know you want to be normal and this is normal for
you. And use this gift ways that can
serve people because you can make a difference in somebody's

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life in 20 minutes or 30 minutesthat he's been living with since
that little boy died, Right. And OK, yeah, why would I not do
that? Exactly.
Now you mentioned purpose, right?
That in the understanding, you know we're all cosmic
consciousness condensed into form, just unaware.

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I learned that as a teen when I prayed to know what truth was
and was willing to die for it did.
Ended up in the light beyond, told what my mission is here,
and then came back and instantlyrecognized it by choice.
What I was willing to die for was cosmic consciousness.
I'd started with Christ consciousness, but it felt a
little empty for some reason. I didn't understand until later

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that he embodied cosmic consciousness so it wouldn't
feel whole, right? And so understanding then that
we are all cosmic consciousness condensed into form, then
looking at, OK, even the betas say we're all divine threads
connected to Source, Divine threads Incarnate connected to

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source, capable of God consciousness.
Well, what's that mean? We're capable of understanding
our perfected form, fit and function in the world and living
it. And that's at a very deep, I
think a combination of soul and genetic level where the two
finally meet and you're activated to actually live that

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truth. Sure.
Now, why do you think that made perfect sense, right?
Yeah. Why does it not?
It makes perfect sense to me. Well, I understand well, and yet
there's this obsession in havingto deal with the physical world,

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thinking things are linear, right when you know, life is not
linear. And often times it's not even
not it's not even local right now in those experiences.
And and you know, I'll broach another topic in beings that are
beyond this world and and not just the angels, but other multi

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dimensional beings. One of the first things that my
wife and I a little bit experienced and and he was the
third time we got together, she had mentioned that she had a an
experience with an Arcturian some years before.
He just appeared in a vision. There was a Gray wall and his
face kind of morphed out of the wall and she was wondering what

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her purpose was. And he simply said to her mother
and teacher and then he went back into the wall.
And, you know, that was bizarre.She was, she was in the middle
of her Kundalini yoga teaching training, right?
So it was very high. She had developed that
discipline to take her into those levels where she was
available to have those kinds ofexperiences.

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Well, I, you know, she's one of,I don't know who it was.
I, I, I. And so I, well, would you like
to, we'd like to know who it was.
We'd like to meet him. I hadn't, right.
It was just popped out of my head.
And so, and being a hypnotherapist, I, I've got some
training at sweetheart and yearsprior.

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And I said, well, let's try this.
So I took her down the stairs into the, you know, had her open
the door, go into the room and she says there's a bunch of
dancing cherubs just having a party, having so much fun.
And I said, OK, well, your guy'sin there.
We did have him ask him to step forward and introduce himself.
And so she does and and this cherub steps forward and

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introduces himself as Nick. And so my next question was
going to be, would you ask Nick to show you his true form?
And I got out, Would you ask Nick too?
And she says he's Arcturian, right?
And so there's all the and he showed up at our after we were

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married that evening and said that they were proud that we
were together now. And there's some other
inferences there that I won't get into because they're really
out there. And yet here are these multiple
worlds that are congruent in their activity to be kind,

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loving, compassionate and serving each other as opposed to
what some would say, oh, there'sbad aliens or there's
malevolent. You know, they're here, they
just want to control this. Or there's some draconian
somewhere in a cage that are managing the planet.
And you know, all that stuff I just find to be really, to me,

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nonsense because it just doesn'tmake sense knowing what I know,
having the direct experience that I do.
Sure. And So what do we do about that,
right? These this here's another area
where the stiff arm comes in because everybody likes the
fear, guilt and shame game, right?
And no, I'm not Catholic, but God love them.

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So in those kinds of things and being able to move in these
other worlds, what do you think it is an Ave. that others can
take, or at least thoughts they might be able to entertain for
themselves that would help open their hearts and minds and

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bodies to this greater experience that we're all
invited to have? Sure, sure.
Well, you know, I think I think a big part of the opening is
people having an experience and it's challenging because we
can't create it for them. They, they have to have the

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experience on their own. Think that you know, one of the
messages, you know so for you and for me and for people that
do this kind of work, we have people that come to us that are
interested and then we we share,you know, our our knowledge and
our understanding and and and and our gifts and things with

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those that come to us. But I think all of us have also
tried to go to people like, hey,wait, I'm here.
Absolutely tell. You absolutely.
Wait a minute. I can't be crazy.
Somebody help me? Right, right.
And, and, and, and also like I can help you like hello, would
you just open your mind and think this way or do this thing

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right. So we have people that come to
us. That's great.
They're, they're in at least a state of openness on some level.
And So what I found is that especially in the first part of
my career, I wanted to help everybody, even the people that
didn't want help and, and I would try and it didn't work.

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The people weren't interested. And then I found myself getting
irritable, judgmental, critical,like you don't understand, like
you're missing out. This could be something that
could really help you. And then I found having been in
this. That's where that push and pull
of energy begins to happen. Absolutely.
We're in control, only unaware that we're doing it at the time.

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Yes. And it starts to become a
control thing, right? Like, you know, but now that
I've done this for long enough, some of those people that I
tried to get to do something 25 years ago, over the last 25
years have come into to my world, but they've come to me.
So I don't think that we can force anything.

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I don't think we can make peopledo the get open up.
But what I do think we can do iswe can do exactly what we're
doing right now. We can educate and we can, we
can ripple our awareness and ourvibration and our experiences
from a very open, vulnerable true space so that people can,

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because I think that energy is out there that people will then
be attracted to that will tap inand they'll hear what they need
to hear when they're ready and we'll.
And we're not wackos either. I mean, look at you.
You've built a business. You've written at least three
books. There's probably more. 23.
Yeah. 23 books. Congratulations.

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Yeah, I've got 40 some odd now and and you know, I just can't
stop. Good for you.
Couple of master's degrees and and business.
And so, you know, people hear meat the you know, I used to
they'd size me up because I had long hair and a beard and
earrings, right. And here's an old hippie, right.
And then then they'd start hearing the words and it's like,

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wait a minute, yeah. We look pretty normal.
We look. Like pretty normal people now,
right? And the reality of it is that,
yeah, we, you don't have to be gypsies or any of those things.
Because here's The thing is, I think for sure now that I've
been in this field for 25 years,you've been in it for for that

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many and more. We have credibility, right?
But when I first started, I didn't have credibility.
I didn't have a master's degree,I didn't have a college
education. I didn't have any.
I was young, really. I'm not sure the spirit really
requires fun. Exactly.
They don't. But but the human world did.
Yeah, human world did. Like, but what are you going to

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teach me, right? I'm like, oh, sit down, Let's
let's talk right. But now the.
Degree is usually just, well, some you know the finer ones
when when you get into the the really deep detail and and
learning skills and talents and things like that in in certain
areas. However, some of them just show
you what you already know is true.
Exactly. It's very common.

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It's it's validating. So you learn to trust the truth
of your experience, right. So I, I think that, you know, at
this point in my life, what I'vereally recognized, one of the
reasons why I created the schoolof light was to, to shine the
light and to let the people comethat are ready when they're

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ready. And, and I really think that the
very first step is awareness. It's just having awareness that
that something is happening and that you are connected and that
that that that we are energy andthat that you know so.
That awareness comes from being still and observing.

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Yeah, getting quiet. And that's why right now it's so
difficult because there's no quiet space.
Everybody's distracted. They got their phones, they got
their computers, they got their iPads, they got the TV.
There's no quietness. So you have to put yourself in
those situations and those circumstances to to really honor
that space. Absolutely.

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Which brings up another topic, the Shabda or Hindus call it
Sabda, the sound current, that really high pitched,
effervescent, iridescent sensation that's in that
silence. So you hear that too.

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Absolutely. Right.
I have the feeling that it's more than just.
I mean, the Hindus say the the Sabda is a collection of the
vibrations on the planet. I suspect it's more than that.
I think it has to do more with the transmission of
consciousness through hydrogen, which is the bonding agent of

(51:38):
our DNA, also powers the sun andit's the most prevalent gas in
the universe. And it also has that invisible
tertiary piece that the rest of the elements have.
And I found that just really, when I first began thinking
about that, it's like, OK, how'sthis transmission take place?

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And where'd the Trinity really come from?
And then I was taken on a trip across the universe and met
these three sons. It says, we're not only your
forefathers, we're also the forefathers of your solar
system. And before I could start asking
questions, my guide who took me there says that's it, you got
all you need, You'll figure it out.

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And so then you go through that,you know, litany of breaking
things down. OK, if that's the macro, then
the micro is proton, electron and neutron.
So then hydrogen is missing 1. So what's that mean?
And where's that fit? And that led me into the bonding
agent DNA. And it's like, OK, you know, and
then getting into the brain where you got the corpus
callosum, which is the transmission layer or or the

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transceiver between hemispheres and you got the hypothalmus at
one end and the pineal at the other.
Well, here's a really cool system that we haven't figured
out how, you know, that it's actually working.
We're trying to go in and analyze through the data that we
get from the scans and all of those kinds of things.
We're not really looking at how the energy flows and the

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direction from which it comes and goes.
And you know, that made, I wouldimagine we just don't have the
technology. Look at that.
And perhaps those kinds of questions aren't being asked.
Kind of like the Higgs boson, right?
You remember the God participle,right?
There was a big hoopla, you know, and yet it was data that

(53:31):
said, Oh no, there's no particlethere.
But there is evidence that there's a decay of 1.
So there must have been a particle.
So they declared, ah, we found the God particle.
However, when I asked who was it?
Lawrence Krauss's TA at one of the science cafes here in

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Chandler, I said is it possible that instead of that, that the
subatomic explosion caused a RIPin the fabric between dimensions
and what you saw as decay was self repairing?
And I got a deer in the headlights look.
Now I don't know if that's true or not, but it just made sense.

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Oh, we could put it into possibilities, right?
Right, So you know something else may happen, but that's
that's the curiosity, right? When something doesn't feel
because you got a gut check, We have that three brain system,
the gut, the heart and the head.We generally start here and
shove it in the rest of the bodyand wonder why we're diseased.

(54:39):
So using that sensation though, if something doesn't feel right,
probably isn't, and then get curious, ask some questions,
maybe postulate some things or you know, think with what you do
know what might be possible and you know that you don't know.
Here's the wisdom, the DU MB part of it instead of DUM right

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where you admit that, OK, I don't know, show me and then be
patient. And every time, and I'm sure
it's happened with you too, whenyou ask a question, it is bound
to the answer which will follow somehow, some way.
You just have to be ready and give it your attention.

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Well, and, and so in that case, you have to be present and you
have to be open and you have to be, you know, tuned in.
And I think that's the problem is that our society is not that.
Back to the this is what broughtup the frequency, right?
I hear it all the time. Doesn't matter if I'm speaking,

(55:43):
sleeping, it's just there. And I believe that's part of
when I went into the light and beyond and came back that that
frequency connected because I had a direct experience of it.
So I have an awareness of it. And Luba says she has it too in
her quiet moments. And I wonder if there are so

(56:05):
many others who have it, too. And I know a bunch of us, you
know, got confused with tinnitus.
And yet I don't believe it is. I think there's that frequency
that's wanting to come through that we are discounting it,
avoiding it, you know, stuffing it as opposed to paying

(56:26):
attention to it, being curious about.
It sure, sure yeah, I I have I don't have that all of the time
I I think I have it in it doesn't have to be quiet space
it can be conscious space it canbe in conversations and it.

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Or after concerts. Yeah, it well, it changes,
right. The vibration shifts and the the
pressure shifts and the the no even shifts, but it's a high.
Yeah, let's see. Yeah, it'll, and it'll go from
one ear to the other sometimes. And, and you know, you'll be in
the middle of doing something and all of a sudden it'll just

(57:12):
Ding, right. And what do you do with that?
How can we assist others to actually pay attention to it and
not feel like they're being distracted from what's going on
in front of them and it may havesomething very much to do with
what's going on in front of them?

(57:33):
Exactly. And it's it's, it's teaching
people to stay open, I think, and, and really to get into
presence. That's that's been a very common
theme in my work over the last five years or so, is presence
not distracting ourselves, not pushing the things away or

(57:54):
stuffing the things, but pullingourself into presence each and
every moment, like presence instead of the distraction of
all the stuff. Right, right.
Well, Bandito wrote about that along time ago.
The precious present, right? Wonderful book in that in the,
the data stream, right, because the if everything's vibration

(58:17):
and now we know that all of thatcontains data.
Sure compressed. You know, it's like I went to
Brian O'leary's lecture at in Scottsdale one year.
Anna Mitchell Hedges was there was there with the skull.
You might even remember that it was back in the 90s, I think,

(58:37):
early 90s, late 80s. And Brian was doing a opening
meditation and everybody had their eyes closed, right?
And I'm sitting in the back of the room and all of a sudden I
see this flash bulb go off about3 or 4 feet above Brian's head.
And I was like, oh, that's interesting.

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And I sat on it for a little bit, waited till it was done.
And then I poked two people on either side of me to whom I did
not know. And I said, do you guys see
that? And I'm like, no.
And I'm like, oh, so I already understood at that point that
that was a burst of data. Now, how that was going to

(59:20):
reveal itself to me over time probably because I mean, that
kind of data drop. Talk about a God drop, right?
So being aware that these kinds of things do take time,
sometimes a lifetime, we can forthat distribution of information

(59:42):
to finally get through to us. To where?
Oh, OK, now I get it. Yeah.
And that usually comes through the the lineage of direct
experiences that build upon thatso that we can finally, oh, I
get it now. The.
Connection. Yeah, absolutely.
What do you find? It is one of the best things

(01:00:04):
that a person could do to remainavailable to that, even when
they may not be too comfortable with it.
I would say that you know, I prefer to not use any tools
outside of myself because I knowI always have me right So.

(01:00:29):
And you can manipulate those tools absolutely.
You can get the answers that youwant because your mind is that
powerful. Absolutely.
So I mean, I, I think that thereare is value for people as
they're learning and and, and and and in opening themselves up
to use Oracle cards or things like that.
But I tend to like to just use my own Oracle, which is my body

(01:00:52):
and I go to breath. I think breath is the thing that
I always have till I don't need it anymore and so pulling.
That is the inspiration, right? Yes, I'm just pulling myself
into that into that presence. And so I think for others that
are really just wanting to get into the to the connection of

(01:01:12):
kind of all that is and in the form that it will show up for
you. It's really just pulling
ourselves into heart center using my breath and this now
moment. Those tools for me and, and, and
I've taught a lot of that throughout the years are the
fastest way to get present and just be open because otherwise

(01:01:35):
our egos involved, we're making judgments around things.
But if I can use the tools that that were given to me, that are
meant to be used, then I feel like that can create a great
opening for people to then recognize the experience and

(01:01:55):
then ask questions, get information about whatever their
lived experience is. Because so often people have
things happen, they just don't know what it is.
So they pass it off and oh, thatwas weird.
Well, that was strange. I don't know if this weird thing
happened and then they don't. They don't.
Ever second guess you. Know they don't ever go any
further a first. Impression.
It's subtle, you may not notice it unless it's attempted to be

(01:02:19):
gotten through to you on multiple occasions and you
finally get a cosmic tube beforeupside the head, right?
Those, those things are the subtle impressions, the tingles
in your body, the the movements.You know, we do have that tree
of life and it can be activated.There are energy centers in the
body. They're all connected there.

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There are so many systems withinour body that can deliver
information to us that we can process and utilize when we pay
attention. But we live from the shoulders
up. We're too distracted with the
outer world and so we never really understand what the body
is truly capable. Of right.

(01:03:01):
'Cause we're a whole being, right?
This God consciousness, it is our entire being.
It's not just our brain, sure, or our heart, or our gut.
No, it's all, it's all. I mean, the body is the greatest
Oracle we have. You know, it's the vehicle that
that our soul chose to walk thisjourney, this one journey with.

(01:03:21):
And so I think the more that we are tapped in and tuned in and
recognizing those receptors, they're always there and they're
always taking in information, then we have a much greater
opportunity to see and hear and feel and know the connectedness

(01:03:42):
of us to all. And in that there is a an energy
of trust and. And that, you know, because
really, all we want is to love and be loved.
Yep. For sure, and that's where it

(01:04:02):
takes us to because there's no criticism, judgement, self
deprecation, right? The, the, you know, 70,000
thoughts, probably 3/4, maybe even 5 eights or three quarters,
7 eights are self deprecating. Well, how do you manage your

(01:04:23):
mind to do that? You've got to pay attention to
it first. Now, Speaking of paying
attention and the greater aspects that that we're
experiencing with when COVID happened, it rung a bell for me.
It's like, OK, and in my experience as a teen, I was told
I was here to help facilitate harmony among people and planet.
I was wondering, OK, when am I going to get the chance?

(01:04:45):
And you know, as much preparation as I'm 45 years, I
went through stuff and then COVID hit and the bell rung and
I could feel it my entire being.And I even said to Lugo when it
happened, when we when we went on lock down here, I said, you
know, this will give the obsession on self hygiene and
sequestration will give people achance to self examine.

(01:05:10):
Then what? Right.
Some did, some didn't. And then, you know, groups began
appearing virtually of people who seemingly had and they were
seeking each other. How do you, if you will
corroborate that first of all, you know, validate that, yes,
that that's what you saw as well.

(01:05:31):
Where do you think this might begoing?
And in this rapid fire movement of how AI has truncated the time
frames to do things, which givesus more free time to explore,
first of all, how do you see that?
Or do you see it helping to assist in this evolutionary leap

(01:05:58):
that we're about ready to take going into the Aquarian Age?
I think that the pandemic did give us an opportunity to really
kind of do a check in where's our lives, where's our focus,
what are our priorities. I think some people did well in

(01:06:24):
actually taking that time and recognizing the value of it and
the bigger purpose of it. I think a lot of people did not.
I'm not certain that we passed the test.
Let's just put it that way it. Doesn't take, you know, like
Margaret Mead said, you know, a few people can change the world.

(01:06:45):
Absolutely, absolutely. And I feel that with that
opportunity, we are all still learning and we still have that
opportunity to check in with ourselves what how are we
showing up? How are we living our purpose?
Are we living our values? What are the priorities?

(01:07:06):
Because if everything's a priority, nothing's a priority.
So what are the priorities, right?
And I think that when we think about like our evolution, one of
the things that that brings me alot of peace and and gratitude
is that the conversations that we have now are different than

(01:07:31):
they were before, right? You think that's just 'cause
we're older? Well, maybe except for I've been
talking about a lot of the same things for 30-40 years, so.
I you're right. I know.
I totally agree. We've been talking about this
stuff for as long as we've knowneach other.
Absolutely, but but the conversations that are happening

(01:07:52):
outside of even this field right?
Like meditation, nervous system reset, intuition.
Recursive function. You know this is a great one,
right? So you know, it came out of the
computer world. And are you familiar with the
term no. So what recursive function means
is it's it's talking about a system that queries itself for

(01:08:17):
problem solving. Yes.
What do we do right? And this is talking about AI
because this is how it's built, right?
It's constantly and, and it's not artificial intelligence.
It's an aggregated human intelligence.
That's where it comes from. Yeah, Yeah, it's not artificial.

(01:08:38):
It's us. This is just.
We're getting all. That loop, yes, right.
Yeah, absolutely. So we got to be careful of
questions we ask. Absolutely.
And how we and then don't ask a question you don't want the
answer to. Exactly right.
And it's so much fun to play with, I think.
Well, and, and to and to help help us recognize areas that

(01:09:02):
maybe we could expand our thinking and areas where maybe
we're short sighted. And, and really I think there's
opportunity there. And I and I do think that with
the, the changes and with the ripple effect of the way that we
have expanded and grown and thatwe have such great, much greater

(01:09:27):
emotional intelligence and emotional awareness that and
that we're talking about it, that people are waking up.
I do think people are, are questioning the old systems, the
old ways of doing things. You know, that the value of, of
showing up, of humanity, of authenticity, of, of

(01:09:48):
vulnerability. I think people are really
seeking more meaning in their lives.
And and there's a huge difference like you were saying,
it's broadened right. In the mid 80s I was working for
Allied Signal as a production control coordinator and sailed
to the top of the department list as far as on time shipments

(01:10:12):
and deliveries. And they came to me, you know,
about six months later, I was the youngest person in the 35
person department. And he said, what are you doing?
And I said, I'm just treating people how I'd like to be
treated. And eventually I got
interpersonal skills classes instituted.
It was actually, it finally happened a year and a half after

(01:10:33):
I was gone, but I got the initial consultant and got the
ball rolling and was ostracized because of it.
And same thing happened with, you know, being in the hospital.
35 years later, I was asked to speak at an IANS conference, so
International Association for Near Death Studies for those
that aren't familiar. So here's a, you know, I'm

(01:10:53):
talking the people want to hear me now instead of wanting to
diagnose. And during that, having that
shift is like, Oh my God, you know, there is potential, yes.
And that's evolution. We have evolved, we are
evolving. And, and I've seen that over the
years, you know, of teaching as well.
You know, back in the day, we couldn't go and just talk about

(01:11:16):
this. There weren't.
There were a few a few people that had the the the nerve and
the confidence to be able to getout there, but for the most part
it was considered evil or the devil or mental health or
something to that. Yeah, I come back on something
because we the whole Satan thing, right?

(01:11:39):
I after my experience, I had thecompelling urge to go down the
university library and look intotheir, you know, a through LM,
through Z size dictionaries, huge, right?
And to look up the word Satan tosee where it actually came from.
And the very first reference wasthe Greek Phaetan THETAN.

(01:12:04):
You know what it means, Thinker.That's good.
Right. So we're it, right?
We are thetans. And then of course, Scientology
uses it for their, you know, whatever, what do they call that
analysis or there's some other term that they use, but that's

(01:12:24):
their highest level of assessment or whatever it is.
And so there's all of these indications that here's the
apocalypse, right? We're unveiling hidden knowledge
or knowledge that's been suppressed by the patriarchy for
millennia. I mean, who who can imagine that
women's actually made from a man's rib, right?

(01:12:48):
You know, that's just subjugation from the get go.
Why do we still allow that we'renot somebody.
I mean, there's this upswing of empowering women and
entrepreneurial women and thingslike that and this whole gender
role shifting that's taking place.

(01:13:13):
And that's a tough one to to navigate because we've got this,
these embedded programmed notions of how things are
supposed to be. That's it.
It was programmed and that's what we think about what is
programming, right? It's programming us to believe a
certain way. Even just programs on TV, on the

(01:13:36):
Internet, on social media, on the news, it's all programming
us in particular ways. Yeah, and.
So. So maybe we need to call this AD
program? That's right.
That's right. Yes.
You know, that made me more insightful than I really say.
The words came out of my mouth. It's funny how those things

(01:13:57):
happen. It's amazing and so great to
have a conversation with you. This is it's been years coming
and I'm so glad we did. Yeah, me too.
Me. Too it's it's wonderful.
If there were something immediate that you see is

(01:14:18):
present in the world in others, that needs some nudging or
nurturing, what might you offer in that respect?
I think that we need to nudge ourselves more than we nudge

(01:14:41):
others. And I think it is in, I liked
what you said. I'm just trying to treat people
the way I want to be treated. I think that we could make it a
lot simpler than it is, you know, like we complicate a lot
with that thinker. I really like that, that
thinker. So, you know, keep it simple,
like, like prioritize your day and, and bring in gratitude and,

(01:15:07):
and enjoy your life and find happiness and move your body and
listen to your intuition and create that space for silence so
that you can really actually listen to what's going on and
maybe think less and listen moreand surround yourself with
people that are in a high frequency to lift you up instead
of bringing you down. And pay attention to the

(01:15:28):
programming. Watch what you consume.
You know, we consume with our ears, we consume with our eyes,
we consume with our mouth. We consume literally with our
skin. Like watch what you consume.
And just remember, we're not, we're not alone that we're
always, we're, we always have support.
We always have our spirit team, our human team, whoever that

(01:15:50):
happens to be, and start gettingintentional about that energy of
love that you want to ripple outin the world.
What does that look like to you?And be it, you know, instead of
blaming and pointing fingers andthey're not this and they don't
that. Let's just take responsibility

(01:16:10):
for our lives. We're gonna hit be the change.
Be the change. It's one of my favorite
statements. Just be the change will happen.
Change happens when you be. Yeah, absolutely.
Sunny. I, I guys, it's just I, I it's
hard to let you go. And and yet we've gone quite a

(01:16:34):
bit past our our normal time. What's normal?
Yeah, what is normal? Yeah, it didn't work for me.
Exactly. Well, I'd really appreciate it
and you, the work that you've done, the the people you serve,
how you serve them and the conversation that we've just
had, which is special. Thank.

(01:16:56):
You. Really was.
And thank you for having me, andthank you for the work that you
do in the world. And thanks for all of you that
are watching. And yeah, let's go be.
And namaste and in La Queche. And thank you for sticking with
us for this episode. I'm Zen Benefiel, your host.

(01:17:16):
And for myself and Sunny Don Johnston, we thank you and I
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