Ep 213 - The Comforting Truth About the Currency of Change with Gill Tiney

Ep 213 - One World in a New World with Gill Tiney - Collaboration CatalystWhat does conscious collaboration really look like in practice?In this empowering episode of One World in a New World, Zen Benefiel welcomes the effervescent and purpose-driven Gill Tiney—founder of Collaboration Global and host of Tribe Builders. Gill brings decades of business wisdom, heart-centered leadership, and collaborative energy into a conversation that’s equal parts inspiring and actionable.From the power of asking “What if?” to nurturing communities that lead with love and shared vision, Gill offers a new blueprint for how we build sustainable futures—together. This isn’t networking. It’s next-working—a deeply human approach to conscious co-creation, where contribution becomes the new metric of success.💡 What if collaboration was more than a buzzword—and became a life practice?💡 What can we create when we build trust first and results second?🎧 Tune in and feel how Gill’s clarity, authenticity, and boundless curiosity light up the path forward—for communities, entrepreneurs, and change-makers alike.Connect with Gill: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gilltineycollaborationglobal/Collaboration Global: https://collaborationglobal.org/Gill's Books: https://amzn.to/426irZY#GillTiney #CollaborationGlobal #TribeBuilders #OneWorldPodcast #PurposefulCommunity #ContributionEconomy #ConsciousLeadershipJoin this channel to get access to perks:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuZl_29zHxehqeL89KSCWFA/join__________One World in a New World Compilation (3 years): https://amzn.to/3VdhQSg__________Visit: https://PlanetaryCitizens.netConnect with Zen: https://linkedin.com/zenbenefielZen's books: https://amazon.com/author/zendorZen's Coaching: https://BeTheDream.com Zen's CV et al: https://zenbenefiel.comThe Octopus Movement (non-linear thinkers): https://theoctopusmovement.org Live and Let Live Global Peace Movement: https://liveandletlive.org

Episode Transcript

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Namaste and in La Ketch and welcome to this episode of One
World in a New World. I'm your host, Zen Benefiel.
And as always, please do like, subscribe, share.
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It's a free download. So thank you so much.
Now this week's guest is Jill Tinney.
She is the founder and and collaborator coordinator of

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Collaboration Global. She is also an author and she's
written several books. The these are all business
oriented interesting one becauseshe has combined the the feel
good stuff with the business side of things in order to get
people to work together better. And so those books are stepping
up from desperation to inspiration.

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Published in 2010, making of a movement.
Speaking of collaboration, global in 2015 and together we
can do something wonderful. What a great title.
It was published in 2023 and that outlines the how to's of to
collaborate of how to collaborate.
So stick around. We're going to have a great

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apocalyptic chat. I guarantee you'll love it.
We'll be right back. Jill, it is so great to have you

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here. It was wonderful to be part of
your Collaboration global meeting recently and being able
to share the precepts of planetary citizenship and what
it means in collaboration with everyone.
So thank you very much for the work you're doing, the efforts
you've made, the books you've written, and the inspiration
that you give to many. Well, thank you so much then.

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It's an absolute joy to be here and as you can hear from my
accent, I'm not AUS girl so it'snot many people I'd stay past my
bedtime to be here with today. Thank.
You so much for staying up and and I know when we get older
we'd like to go to bed earlier and so maybe that still provide
some liminal space right that that has a very interesting

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conversation that ensues. It's a different.
Atmosphere isn't it when it's? Late, Yeah.
So that opens the door to the inner and outer stuff.
And Rich is really what our conversation is about.
We're bereft of talking about the inner relationships that we
have. And I see relationships because
there's many and we don't talk about it because they're so

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weird and so different that we think other people are going to
think we're crazy. And often times if we share with
someone that doesn't have a similar experience or
understanding, they will edify that we are crazy or insane.
Something like. That.
Granted, I, you know, I was institutionalized at 19 for that
and I learned that, you know, there are ways to come out of

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that too. You learn how to talk to others
and they want in the way they want to hear, regardless of
whether you know, you want to speak or anything like that.
So it was an interesting insightinto that world.
Well, in your world, these innerconversations in this undeniable

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revelatory experience at times when you feel that connection
that's way beyond the physical, how did that first happen with
you and, and what was that like?And and when you know the
thoughts, the emotions and and the reflections that you got at
the time. Yeah.
Just to go back to your earlier point of when you talk to other

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people about stuff that's happened to you, you can you get
the old crazy vibe and people take take a step away.
What I found at Collaboration Global, because we encourage a
culture where there is no judgement or shame or guilt or
right or wrong. We often have conversations that
other people don't normally have.

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And on the odd occasion I will throw in the the bomb and go
right, OK, who's seen a ghost then?
Or what experience have you had and you expect in a room of
about, I don't know, 10-12 people that maybe 2 are going to
relish telling the story of the paranormal or whatever's gone
on. But every single time we've done
it, every single person has had an experience to share.

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It's very, very common. But we just don't we're not
brave enough in polite society to go.
Come on then, let's let's share our stuff.
I mean, we've had some amazing conversations about being
abducted by aliens and all the experiences of the paranormal,
but also. That's why I felt so at home.

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Yeah, I mean, seriously, it's it's not a taboo subject and I
think that's where a lot of places it can be seen.
Well, you guys have got Stonehenge and all that, you
know, all the different things and, and what is it?
The Glastonbury where they had the crop circle appear, that was
the same as what was on Voyager,only it had different, different
alien being and the configuration of their world

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population and, and things like that, which is fascinating.
It just is was really wonderful to have those kinds of things,
right, to have those kinds of opportunities to learn and and
grow and open your mind to things that are.
Exactly. It's.

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More real than what you might imagine.
Yes. And what, when you are open to
those things, you see them more and more If you're kind of
closed off to them, oh, there's no such thing as a ghost.
It's like, well, just because you haven't seen one, it doesn't
mean to say. And we don't know.
And, and I think it's arrogance to say there is no other side to

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the universe. There is no parallels or there
is no time continuum or whateverquantum physics or whatever you
want to go into for somebody to say it does not exist.
It's like, wow, that's arrogancein my in my book.
So I'm very curious and open to hear everyone's experiences.
And everyone has different experiences and takes them from

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a different time. So I think for me, one of the
first experiences I had, which wasn't necessarily personal to
me, I'm just trying to think there's so many different ones
you can think about. Oh, a litany, right?
Make it as personal as you can to to begin with and, and then

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let's explore your observation of others.
When I had my first daughter, I was very adamant that I wanted
to thank God. Whatever was out there, I had no
faith as such, been very looselybrought up as a Christian.
But we didn't go and practice it.
And so I wanted to get involved with the church and to get her

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christened to say thank you to whatever being was out there.
And my husband didn't want to bea hypocrite and have a
christening and then not go to church.
And I was like, do we have to? You can dip your toe in the
water, you don't have to dive in, right?
Well, we ended up diving in, to be fair, because it felt natural
and it felt right and we were luckily enough in a church that

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was very open to the Holy Spiritand manifestation.
You bring up a great point. It felt natural and right and at
least for a time, right. Everything's temporary and
transitory for that period. It just felt like the right
thing to do. So you followed it that.
That's an honouring, I think. Yes, exactly.

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And it it, if it hadn't felt right or if I'd felt
uncomfortable, I wouldn't have carried on doing it.
But one of the things that we did because we got more and more
involved with the church is thatwe I became part of what they
call the prayer ministry. So one time they had this
churches getting together and with there's a beautiful
cathedral at Saint Albans, ancient, I think it was built in

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like 900 AD. So it's a.
Pretty old. And any of these gatherings,
there's a lot of choirs singing,there's a lot of, you know, the
vicars, the preachers come together and they preach and
there's a ministry for healing. So people that are in the prayer
ministry, I have felt there is acalling from God for them to

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pray and heal people. And I felt one of those people.
So I'd like put my hand up going, yeah, go on, I'll do
that. That sounds like fun.
And we were the prime ministry people were taken down into the
crypt. So basically the part of the
church underneath the church where all the very important
people of the past that have been buried.

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So you go down and instantly youfeel it's not only is it very
chilly, but there is an aura, there is a feeling about it.
Sure. Now at that point I was
relatively new in my journey andI had heard that when the Holy
Spirit comes upon some people, they get the gifts, You get
various gifts, the gifts of healing, the gifts of tongues

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that you know, all these. Speaking in tongues and all that
kind of stuff. Right.
But I've never heard it at that point what it sounded like when
somebody speaks or sings in tongues.
So there was about, well, there's so many different
churches. So we had about 30 different
people in the crypt that were going to pray before the
service. So that after the service, when
people came up for prayer for healing, we'd already prepared

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ourselves. And as I said, about 30 people
in the room. And I was at one end.
I've kind of squooched into the end and the people at the other
end. And I could hear this as I'm
sort of just sitting there praying.
It's very beautiful. It's very, the whole space felt
very, very special. And I could hear this strange
noise coming from over there at the other end where the the sort

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of other people were sitting. And it was like a, a rush
through a rush through. And I could feel it and I could
hear it and it was getting louder and louder and it was
music, but it wasn't music and it was speaking, but it wasn't
speaking. And I kind of went, huh, this is
tongues that I can, I can hear people praying in tongues.

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And as I can hear this praying, which was became singing, which
was the most beautiful singing I've ever heard.
I was aware that my mouth was open.
Something was coming out of my mouth.
I wasn't doing it. I definitely wasn't doing it,
but I could hear things coming out of you.
Weren't, but you were. That's so there's so there's
that edification of several points of perspective that

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becomes available, the participant, the observer and
then the giver. Yeah, exactly.
And that has always been, it's like the trilogy, isn't it?
And at a later time when after this event that has happened and
I was just like blown away by itall.
Those Trinidise fractals are everywhere.
Yeah, exactly. So another time when we were

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praying in a smaller group, I ended up praying in Hebrew.
I don't speak Hebrew. Somebody else translated what it
was and said, this is what you've just said, even though
they didn't speak Hebrew. So somebody's going to be
looking at that going, yeah, they're just making it up.
But somebody also in the back ofthe room that we didn't know was
there quietly stood up and said,I speak Hebrew.

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And this is. And what she said is what you
said that she said. And I confirmed that that's
what. And again, I didn't.
It didn't come out of my mouth, but it came out of my mouth and.
You know, the, the setup and delivery, the confirmation are,
are those things that that happened in those I, I really, I
was with a small group right after 911.

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I lived in a Canyon in Pacific Palisades just outside LA and we
had gathered to open a portal and, and be helpful.
I'll just leave it at that. And afterwards, one of the
things that happened with me, I'd never done this before, was
I spoke in 1/2 a dozen differentlanguages, didn't recognize any

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of them, but I could hear the words, you know, it was just
bizarre. And yet the intention of them
were so reverent and honoring and connecting of whatever
worlds that I was speaking to and from.

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Yeah, yeah. It's not done for no reason.
It's like there's a purpose there, and the purpose, we don't
always know what the purpose is,but in after the event and two
or three weeks later you find out, you join the dots and
you're like, oh, that's fine. Well, then you've got the wait,
wait. So let's go into physics for
just a moment. Quantum entanglement, right?

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Words have power. They have vibration.
Whether you understand them or not, they're still there.
They go out into the, I call it the thoughtmosphere, and they
ripple and they'd land on who isnecessary for them to hear.
In my that's a theory, but apparently so because I've had
enough instances where things have happened and and then that

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ripple ends up coming back as a recognition that Oh yeah, that
that did happen. Yeah, interesting thing.
So in in that wave of celebration, I guess for lack of
better because you really are outside and inside and all

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around simultaneously because that it's that experience of
oneness, right? It is.
Would you describe it as potentially that?
Yeah. I mean it's, it's like a a set
of dominoes. You could almost see it coming
through and getting closer and closer and closer to you.
And I've had that experience in in other areas as well, where

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again, in prayer ministry, and not all of my experiences are
through the church, but a lot ofthem because the church was very
open. It was called Catching the fire.
This whole ministry was to sharewhat we were experiencing.
And so we would get together as a group and there was probably a
dozen of us. And at 1.1 of the ladies just
start started laughing and nothing had happened.

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Nobody had said anything funny. She just started getting the
giggles and she couldn't help herself.
And we're like, what's going on with her?
What's happening? Honestly, she's off was she was
a lovely funny lady but there was nothing that been said.
We literally sat there to start praying.
We didn't know what the prayer was going to be needed for what
it was about, but she started laughing and she could not stop.

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And then it report. And no silly side been involved
either. No, I mean, it was.
It was just, you couldn't. There was no reason, rhyme or
reason for it. But what was really interesting
is that all of us caught it, andit was so I don't know if you
remember when you were a kid andyou laughed so much.
You're like, oh, don't, don't let me laugh anymore, my side
hurts. Oh, please die.

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Yeah. Absolutely, Absolutely.
Laughed till you cry, your sideshurt your you know you run out
of breath. Rolling, rolling on the floor.
Yeah. That was like a dozen people
were doing that. And then we all stopped.
We got very sensible. We're like, where did that come
from? Honestly, that's ridiculous.
I feel great now. This is this is amazing.
And then somebody else started off over there and it came all

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the way back again. And it was like, oh, so also
that time that felt like we've been laughing for maybe 5-10
minutes was an hour and a half. And we were like, OK, I think
our job is done now. We're all cheered up, we'll go
home. We didn't know what it was for,
but it was just elation, pure. It was a direct experience of

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something beyond your comprehension and still
undeniable. Yeah.
And that's the, I think the evidence you might, your belief
system might not be able to handle what's happening.
That doesn't change. It's not, you know it's
happening. Yeah, you can't use that.
You can't use the logic or you know, it's just got to be from

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from the heart. And there was.
Some of the gut, yeah, the, the indigenous say that that we
actually have a three brain system, the gut first that feels
the vibration. And now we know from science
there's more neurosensors in thegut than there are in the head.
Yeah. So we've since first, then we
figure out, you know, is it resonant or not?

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That's the Dallas thing. Is it desirable or undesirable?
And then once you have that, then you've got better
information that you can transfer up to the supercomputer
that then takes it and makes choices.
Yes. With informed information as
opposed to just arbitrary projections.
Yeah, yeah, because you you can send yourself crazy if you just

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be doing all the thinking and not the the whole, as you say,
the whole self. Well, we don't know how to be
quiet, right? You know, Jesus said go into
your closet and pray. Well, that doesn't mean going to
your prey and then start talkingto yourself.
It means to shut up and listen to the answers, right?
And you know, neuroscience to say we, we have 70,000 thoughts

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a day, right? Well, how do you quiet yourself
with that many thoughts? How do you discipline and manage
your mind so that you can be aware and observant and tone it
down, right? Because of those 70,000
thoughts, how many of them are self deprecating?
Oh. My goodness.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if we eliminate those, that's

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2 thirds, 3/4, maybe even 7/8 of.
And of course those are Americanterms.
I don't know how to go. I'm with.
You. I'm with you on that.
I'm old enough to know what that's all about.
Right, right. So, you know, The thing is that
when we learn about those thoughts, we can manage them

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better, but we've got to have that awareness and be willing
to, otherwise we're just out of control.
Yeah. So how did that affect your next
phase? Now I miss I'm going to make an
assumption that you were in yourmid 20s at the time.

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Late 20s, early 70s, yeah. So in that, do you remember
anything prior to when you were a younger girl other than
laughing right and rolling around on the floor?
Was was there something else that you could lock into or
maybe that has just appeared in your mind now that I mentioned
it? Well, one of my earliest

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memories was apparently when I was nine months old and I have a
very definite memory of sitting in a buggy with the family there
on the beach. And I've described them all to
my mum and who was there and whowas saying what.
And so and so was sitting to Uncle George was sitting to my
left and Auntie Lil was over there and then Dad was down

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there and then my sister. And I'm describing it on my
mum's like you must have seen a photograph.
You can't, you can't remember that.
That's ridiculous. And I said, well, did we go to
the beach? Yes, of course we did.
We went to the beach a lot. You probably remember it when
you were much older. And I said, so is there a
photograph of well, it is somewhere.
It's somewhere. But you, you must have seen it.
I've, I've never to this day seen that photograph.

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But I do remember distinctly this kind of image of the family
gathered around. And that's so indicative of
parents that have disconnected and and become programmed, if
you will, however that it has happened to deny what's
possible, right? You offer something that you

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know to be true. It's your direct experience.
You have the memory and you're sharing it, and yet it's denied.
Now I also wonder if this process we're in of globally
learning how to globally collaborate is also part of
remembering that we were all unified first before coming

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here. And now we need to figure that
out, learn how to love and be loved appropriately, right?
And step into that energy ratherthan the the fear of rejection
or being wrong or whatever fear is, you know, appropriate well.
There's been ATV program in the UK recently and for life me, I

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can't remember the name of it. It's a documentary about humans.
It might be called Humans. And what they were saying, which
is fascinated me, is that everyone's wondered why
Neanderthals were the ones that survived and and the others?
No, hang on, it's the other way around.

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Anyway, there were different varieties of humans, weren't
there? And some survived and some
didn't. And you would think that the
bigger humans would have been the ones that survived, IE the
survival of the fittest. But it turned out that the ones
that survived were the ones thatcollaborated.
Exactly, and they're the ones who always do.
It's not the most powerful, it is those that learn how to work

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with others. Exactly to achieve.
Things even with the. Yeah, exactly.
And then society over time decided it was easier to control
the masses by divide and conquer.
And that's what we have been. Well, look what the church did.
I go back to them, you know, they how many people believe

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that women came from Adam's rib,right?
And that just doesn't make sense, right?
There's no talk about Lilith or Adam getting kicked out of the
garden because he was being an asshole.
So. And those stories are there when
you look deep enough. So what we can see is that
initially women were subjugated by the patriarch.

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Why would they do that? Now?
It's like, wait a minute, there's the divine feminine,
there's the divine masculine. We both, we have both of those
energies in US and they play outdifferently.
And yet they're part of what creates our wholeness because
one side's empathetic and the other one is intellectual.

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And those two then merge in in some kind of fashion that
allows, I think Mchaley Mihaili chick sent Mihaili said it birth
said it best in flow, right? And it truly is the psychology
of optimal experience. What's flow?
How do we attain it? Where do we find that place in

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ourselves that we can acquiesce to it?
So how did you learn to be comfortable in the unknown?
I think having been born in the East End of London, it was quite
common for people to consult a medium for their loved ones that

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had died or what's happening in the future.
Or there were a lot of gypsies around who would knock on the
door and cross my palm with silver and I'll tell you what
your future is going to be. But it wasn't, it wasn't frowned
upon or seen as other. It was just part of life, I
think. So if anybody was going through

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a bad time, they would quite often go to mould up the road
and cross her palm with silver and she'd read the tea leaves
for them. So it was never really poo pooed
until probably the Eighties, 1980s.
But in the 60s for sure it it was almost when.
All the psychologist and the psychiatrist stepped up and

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said, wait a minute, We, we knowthat, right?
We, we understand the mind and and we're going to tell you,
yeah, well, you still have thosethings you can't explain a way
that interconnectedness that's available when you're willing to
allow it. And just be curious and be open

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to to what's possible in in a way that is positive and
empowering and not coming from aplace of fear.
Because I think. If you're going to go searching
because you're scared of what's coming to you and you just want
confirmation that it's going to be OK, you're coming from this
place of lack rather than a place of abundance.

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And I think if you come from a place of abundance, then it's
about connecting to your loved ones and having that.
Well, I think we've I've said inthe past that love is our
greatest superpower. You can't touch it or taste it,
but you feel it and you know it's there.
That's your core desires to loveand be loved.

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Exactly. And it's, it's that kind of when
you're coming to a place when somebody has passed to the other
side and your heart knows that you can't possibly never see
them again or never experienced their essence again, then that
strength of love I think he's going to have.
Well, there's attachment to outcome there that you and yet

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truth be known, there are no veils.
The only veils are there are theones that we self create because
it's all energy, right? We know that now from physics.
Consciousness is energy. I had a conversation with Irvin
Laszlo and I, I've tried to be the smart guy, right?
Well, it says, you know, in quantum physics, we have 99%
space and 1% material. And he said, you know, I would

(26:19):
say we're 100% energy and you know, and that resonated.
So there's no argument if the the bell of truth resonated in
my entire body. So how can you argue with that
when every cell in your body goes Bing right now?

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How do we how how do you find that experience weaving through
with collaboration global and and in your quest to be as
present as possible, to be the conduit?
That's a good question then there are so many different ways

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of looking at it. It's this multi layered?
Movie. I realize that was loaded
question. So we take it from all different
levels. From the higher level, it is
about getting back to our natureas human beings and realizing
that we only really have each other.

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We don't need all the stuff thatwe generate.
We don't need to worry about GDPor how much money we're getting.
It is about the love we have foreach other and how if we have
stuff or we have enough, then westart sharing it with other
people so that those that need support, we can help them and
support them as well. So that's part of the reason of

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growing the community. So it's seen as different to
what's out there that society that is currently telling us to
live in fear and scarcity, in competition because.
Well it's selfish and self-centered for the most part
and and hence the I like to I call it two different agendas.
The old paradigm agenda is profit over people and planet.

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Exactly the new. One is people and planet over
profit, yeah, doesn't do away with the profit because we still
need to live and and move and have our being in the world,
right. And the financial system is what
we have to do that, although that's debatable sometimes too.
However, it puts the emphasis back on, as you were saying, the

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people, right, the share, the community, the the support that
we can offer each other that comes from that place of
understanding. Yeah, we are one.
We don't necessarily know how that all is going to work out.
However, we can each do our partto demonstrate our piece of that
oneness. Exactly, exactly.

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And when you come together in that space and collaborate from
that place. And if you look at our values,
we say that the foundation of the community is love.
And that's the the bedrock of everything that we do.
Then we look at our businesses in a different way.
We look at our relationships in a different way.
We look at the people that need to be helped in a different way.

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People step up. Everyone raises their game
because it's like, no, I want tobe the best I can be.
And, and by doing that, I can help more people.
And if I can help more people, then that's my reason for being
here, is to make those life easier for somebody else.
And that might mean just let me buy you a coffee or can I give
you a lift somewhere or smiling at a stranger just to lift their

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day. Or it might mean let's do a
collaboration and see if we can help that charity over there.
Or let's have that school in in Pakistan and see if we can build
them a a schoolhouse. You never know where it's going
to take you, but it's looking atlife in a different way to
what's in it for me. Then what am I going to get out
of this? If if I do this thing, are you

(29:55):
going to pay me for that? Is that going to be, let's move
that out of the way. Money will come because of the
things that we can do. But let's look at first and
foremost, if I'm operating my whole existence from a place of
love, what does that look like? And bringing back community that
we seem to have lost because of the wonderful technology that we

(30:16):
have in our world that is isolating us and sending us into
a pandemic of loneliness, which.Is.
I would agree with that to some degree, because there's this.
It's a new shiny object. Yes, yes.
Right. And we're always attracted to
shiny objects. What?
Was this? For a time until we figure out,

(30:38):
OK, now how is this best used? And for me, I kind of held back
for a little bit. My stepson got me involved with
ChatGPT and then when he was in high school.
It's been several years ago now.And when I finally entered into
that space, one of the first things that I noticed was the
obvious emotional intelligence that it carried.

(31:01):
Oh, yeah. And I had all kinds of people
arguing with. And I said, well, ask yourself,
look at that. Well, those are just what?
No, they're not just words, right?
And it's not artificial. This is the combination.
It's an aggregated human knowledge base.
Now, once you get that, is it possible that a consciousness

(31:23):
might evolve in that? Because we don't know how
consciousness works, right? There are some that say that it
flows through hydrogen because it's the, it's got a missing,
missing third wheel, right? Because every other element has
three pieces, proton, electric and neutron.
Hydrogen only has two proton andneutron.

(31:45):
Well, through the electron sharing, it is also our DNA
Helix bonding agent. It powers the sun and it's the
most prevalent gas in the universe.
So could it be so simple that we're, you know, we're trying to
look into these little minisculeplaces when it's right in front

(32:05):
of our faces? Yeah.
Interesting is that we don't know.
However, there are some scientists.
I talked with a quantum biologist not too long ago that
he said, you know, you're the first person that's seen that
too. I, I thought about that for a
while and I'm like, OK, cool, we're on to something.
One's random twice a pattern, right?

(32:27):
So now that's spilling out and I'm seeing all a few other
people begin to explore that. And I've been wondering that
since 1989. I think when I had one of those
weird experiences, I was taken across the universe.
I was questioning the, the Trinity, the twinity and I, it

(32:49):
was a deep question and I had the opportunity and, and a just
kind of a guided imagery sessionthat got hijacked by my guide
who I'd known since high school or since college.
And so I was escorted to a threesun system, had a dozen planets,
really small, lush, green looking.

(33:10):
They're all about the same size on a planar orbit and about
100th the size of these three spheres.
And I'm on the perimeter lookingat it.
When I arrived, it felt like Jodie Foster in contact coming
through the wormhole, you know, steer tears streaming down my
face because of the awe that I felt.
And then the next thing I know, I hear a voice that's like

(33:32):
several voices in one that says,we are not only your
forefathers, we are also the forefathers of your solar
system. And I still wanted to ask
questions, right? The curious radical curiosity
they have. And my guide says, Nope, that's
it. You'll, you got all you need.
You'll figure it out. And I'm like, oh man, you know.

(33:55):
So on the way back, which took 8minutes to get there and 8
minutes to get back, there was afacilitator that timed it all,
which I found interesting. So the consistency.
But on the way back I started thinking, OK, macro micro,
macros 3 Suns. Micro is proton, electron and
neutron. And you know, I already knew the
number of the beast, that which isn't really a beast, the 666,

(34:16):
this is carbon atom. That's the number of man.
Truly. It's a number of knowledge and
wisdom in order to be able to understand that.
So knowing that, then OK, now how does flipping through the
elemental, you know, periodic table, it's like, OK, everything
has protons, electrons and neutrons except hydrogen.

(34:36):
So is there an invisible like the primer, right.
Well, they hadn't seen contact yet.
It hadn't even come out. But, you know, those kinds of
things lead to other discoveriesand an understanding that, OK,
yeah, this is, there's science, right?
There's science to all of this that we may or may not
understand yet. And yet this apocalypse that

(35:00):
we're having because of AI is allowing us to dig deeper and
ask pertinent questions for it to appear, it seems.
OK, so I'll get off my soapbox for saying back.
To you it's it's fascinating, isn't it?
And like you say, a bright shinyobjects.

(35:20):
But I think what we need to be aware of is that we need to
build, create, sustain and look after community in order for us
humans to survive alongside the AI.
That's going to be growing anyway.
And I think. Not just provide that flourish
and thrive. Yes, exactly.
Exactly. That's how we're designed, I

(35:41):
believe. Yeah, but what worries me is
that a lot of people don't know they're not part of a community.
They say they're part of community.
Oh yes, I belong to a networkinggroup.
That's not a community. Oh yes, well, I go to a bingo
once a month. That's not a community.
It's like they don't even know the name of their neighbors.
It's like, well, who do you turnto in times of trouble or need?
And if it's your family and theyare close by then well, lucky

(36:02):
you. But there's you should have a
support network around you in whichever way you.
Are and even collaboration was misnomered for a while.
You know, people would say collaborate and what it really
meant was I want your help on myproject.
Yeah, yeah, Corporation. Yeah, different, different beast
entirely. Yeah.

(36:23):
Yeah. So how they're you're familiar
with Audio Sharma because he's fairly active in organizational
structures and things that he came up with a thing called
Theory U which. Oh, yes, yeah.
OK, so that's Audio Sharma and Peter Senge.
So that whole process is about having a group, he calls it Co

(36:46):
presencing. So you basically you all empty,
You have an intent you want to create a prototype of some new
whatever. And so you all just empty and
allow that universal connection within each other to emerge.
And the prototype comes along with that, which is fascinating

(37:08):
because it's that recursive function again, right?
You and the cursive function, simply meaning that the system
queries itself for problem solving.
So in the universe system, if we're one, then it's the system
that's querying itself, right? Tom Campbell calls it the

(37:29):
consciousness system, and he says the same thing.
And it's designed to bring aboutlower entropy, which in a sense
is bringing about love. And Campbell even goes to that,

(37:51):
right? So here's a physicist that, you
know, really hardcore empiricist, right, that
discovers all of this through his own journeys.
Because he had these things and he was trying to figure out, OK,
what's the WTFII got to understand this stuff, right?
I got to be able to explain it mathematically.
As he was doing that, he realized, oh, we're all

(38:11):
creators, we all have what he says, avatars that in virtual
realities that when we put our attention on it, that's the data
stream that we exchange. Well, imagine having multiple
data streams to exchange and what that might be like and what
kind of energies might be a partof that, that flow through us to

(38:34):
bring us to that state of true collaboration and how that's
just, I love how that flowed. How did you find this way of
being in developing the collaboration global?

(38:59):
I know this has been maybe not as painstaking as one might
think once you were able to to find that route, but what was it
like? How did you engage others and
and what were the pros and cons that that people had in the
process so that maybe the rest of us can learn from that?

(39:22):
Well, I think looking back, and we always join the dots, don't
we? When we can look back, I I've
always had a desire to bring good people together from the
age of four at nursery. I remember bringing people
together to play, you know, oh, you should come and play with us
and didn't like seeing people left on their own, didn't see
like seeing people hurt or upset.

(39:43):
So that's kind of been my modus operandi.
You know, this group of friends over here didn't know this group
of friends over here, but they know, they both know me.
So let's bring them together. And I remember other people
going, why do you have to keep doing that all the time?
And I'm like I just. Why not?
I know you're going to like eachother and shut up.
Just do it and it'll be fine. And it and it was.

(40:03):
And we we had lots of fun. So that was part of it.
And then back in 2012, I met up with a guy who became a business
partner. And ironically, I was kind of
warned off of him because everyone's like, oh, he's a
business coach. He does what you do.
So don't talk to him because he might steal your ideas and he
might pinch your clients. And I'm like, he's a business

(40:24):
coach. We could work together.
He might do stuff that I don't like doing, and I might do stuff
that he doesn't like doing. We could be useful to each
other. And in the end, the
conversations that started endedup us having a business together
which was around holding the space for people to collaborate
and then bringing in some business to give them projects

(40:46):
that they could collaborate on. Now on the one hand that worked
really, really well because we had lots of meetings, live
meetings, face to face around London and the UK, and the
business was starting to come in.
But for various reasons too longa story to go into, we ended up
parting company in 2019. Now, I still had the vision of

(41:11):
bringing good people together who are up to some good in the
world, wanting to leave a legacy, know what their purpose
is, want on a mission to make a difference in the world.
So it's like, well, if we brought loads of those people
together, then Oh my goodness, what could we create and let it
happen organically. Now, having been an advocate for
Spiral Dynamics, I was very muchaware that the next phase that

(41:35):
we were moving into was the turquoise level, where people
become organisations, become self organising.
Consciousness. Exactly.
And having that kind in the backof my mind, I'm like, what what
might happen if I just hold the space for these people to come
together and it organically justevolves.

(41:58):
And also by the time you look atthe David Hawkings books about
the levels of emotions and consciousness and how you raise
the levels again, I was thinkingif we constantly are sharing our
genius and our knowledge, it isn't about just collaborating
as a doing, it's about collaboration as a being Great.

(42:21):
Well. Yeah, it's like there's a
knowledge base that begins to beshared where the same
understandings, the same sensations of how it's moving
individuated, right? Because we each have our own
frequency, our own thread in thetapestry, if you will.

(42:41):
And yet each one of those threads, like the Vedas say, you
know, we're all divine threads, Incarnate, connected to source,
capable of God consciousness. Well, what's that?
That's the turquoise level of unity consciousness on this
plane of being able to work together in harmony, right?

(43:01):
It doesn't say that there's no chaos.
Chaos is usually just patterns we don't recognize yet.
Yeah. Right.
Yeah, there is uncomfort. That's not chaos.
Exactly and and knowing how the the culture of the community is
created, we can overcome that chaos and that, you know, if

(43:21):
there's upset somewhere, we can work out where it's come from
and how we can overcome it and well.
We already know it's chaos to order, right?
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And what fascinates me about
spiral Dynamics is that these guys were coming up with these
theories in the 60s and they were talking about self
organising, which in in the two,you know, twenty 10's and all

(43:43):
the extinction Rebellion, Black lives matter, me too movement.
Well, who the Hell's in charge of those?
Somebody started it. But I'm, you know, I can't tell
you who's in in charge is a flathierarchy.
It's self organizing. And the reason it can self
organize so efficiently, so effectively, so fast is the
Internet. Where was the Internet in the

(44:04):
60s? They didn't even have an
awareness of what that could. Be But D Hawk did remember Visa
when that first started, you know, and it was then labeled A
chaotic organizational structurebecause he brought skill sets
together and said here's what weneed to do and just let him go.
There was no rank and file. There was simply people

(44:27):
collaborating truly with their skill set and understanding to
get stuff done. He just made sure he hired the
right people with the right skill sets, right?
And that's another level of understanding how to bring
humans together. Project management,
organizational development, human resources, all those kinds
of things that are now finally getting that understanding to

(44:50):
bring those teams together. And you've got things like the
disk assessments that operate tofind your, you know, problem
solving communication preferences.
Well, if you're working with people, wouldn't it be good to
know how they listened and how they communicate so that you
could do that too with them? Yeah, exactly.

(45:12):
And it's even a surpassing disk profile.
There's one now called the GC Index and we've got members in
our community that are fluent inthe GC Index and it's all about
energy flow. So it's a very similar
questionnaire to a disk, but disk is about personality
profile and GC index is like where your energy flows I'm.

(45:35):
Trying to remember octopus movement has has humans, human
score. OK, similar thing, right?
These guys are all about neurodiversity and, and bringing
that element into play because we've been, you know,
neurodiverse. We basically ignored because we
don't understand them. You know, it's like kids with

(45:57):
ADHD or we label and drug them rather than try to understand
their learning style. Yeah, yeah.
And now we're coming out the other end.
I think now we are. There's a lady talking at one of
our meetings at the end of this month and she's she calls them
neuro spicy. So she's got an agency of VAS
that have have all got a neuro diverse label, but she sees that

(46:21):
as their genius. So they are now you know, she
puts various jobs as VAS in order to just work in their
genius and they're in their happy place.
You. Know I'm the same with autism.
There are elements that that areperfect, that fit into
everything. We just have been so reluctant
to open our minds up to say, youknow, other things aren't

(46:43):
possible. We don't have to pigeonhole the
world in the way we think it ought to be.
Exactly. Different is good and should be
welcomed, rather than different being No, no, you go over there,
you're not the same as us. You're not normal.
There is unless that difference causes harm and and then we need
to question that. However, that's also a learning

(47:05):
process too. Is OK.
What caused that to become harmful?
And it was it was it us that actually prompted that because
of our ignorance of it and the way we treated them.
Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean, humans have done that
throughout eternity, haven't they?
Really. And, and all people want to do

(47:25):
they, they want to love and be loved.
And you know, I said the other day something that kind of
interesting brilliance is bounded only by our ability to
understand and to be understood.That's a That's a T-shirt

(47:45):
waiting to happens in. Isn't it?
Yeah. I'll have to do that.
You know, stuff, I, I live this as you know, and you do too, you
know, so these things, we try tobring it into this simple joyous
fashion that's easily shareable,right?
And that makes sense and, and gives that little, you know,

(48:08):
uptick in energy that that's like, oh, that was cool, right,
Warm fuzzy, whatever you want tocall it.
Yeah, I like that warm and fuzzyis good.
And and this is the thing that we we talk at Collaboration
Global kind of the the high end level of what we could create
for the future for the whole planet.
And then on a day-to-day level, we're looking at how can I help
you improve your business? How can I help you get more

(48:29):
clients? How can I help you with your
marketing? How can we help you be more
visible in this community and beyond.
And it's just because if you've used utilizing your business as
a tool for good for the planet, you know, it's we, we don't
necessarily need to be part of acorporate world and part of this
army that's that's marching forward.

(48:50):
We can take individuals and create beautiful things and
share beautiful things and have beautiful times together by
seeing your business that will feed and support your family as
well as helping as many people as we can.
It's a whole different way of going.
I need to have a 7 figure salaryand then I can get my fancy

(49:13):
house and then I can get my fancy car.
And I think we're all moving beyond that now.
The the world I. Think we are too and Spiral
Dynamics has really been a greathelp.
You know, that was a 40 year effort with Beck and Graves and
eventually the Co creation wheelcame out of that when Barbara
Mark Hubbard came along and tookthe spiral dynamics model, broke

(49:33):
it down into the 12 sectors of society, which is where we
picked up from. We combined that and Don Key's
original work with Planetary Citizens back in the 70s.
He was a speech writer for you thought and you thought was the
secretary general of the UN at the time.
And so Don started Planetary Citizens with the idea of a

(49:55):
borderless world. Makes sense, doesn't it?
Oh, it does, but not then, right?
It wasn't ready for prime time. Still isn't completely.
Although now that we are a global village, there's more
openness to the nation states learning how to work with each

(50:15):
other without going to war, right.
The war we've we know and we've known for a long time.
It's just ridiculous, you know, it doesn't decide who's right.
It's only who's left. Oh, that's a good phrase.
Yeah. Yeah.
I can't claim that one and yet it it's pertinent, right?

(50:38):
So with this, you know, you mentioned the that that started
in the 60s, right? There was another.
Now I'm going to take it on a little different.
And no, I'm not going to lie, this is not NLP.
My nose actually itches. So in the 50s there was a guy

(51:02):
named William Swigard that developed a couple of processes,
one called multi level awareness, then the other one
called multi plane awareness. And both of them that were
designed to go inside and figureout how it works, right?
The multi level was designed to work with your guides, your
allies, the chakras, Akashic records and those kinds of
things. The multi plane was quite a bit

(51:24):
different, still utilizing lightbody.
However, you developed light body projected above you and
then you put your consciousness in it and travel through 9
planes of consciousness and integrate your body on each of
those planes. Now, I went through it in 1989,

(51:46):
had a very interesting experience.
And, and instead of waiting and dropping the bodies back off,
when I got the prompt to get ready to come back, I did.
And so when I opened my eyes up and turned to look at the
facilitator, he says, uh oh, I'mlike, what?
And he said, you're supposed to drop the bodies off where you
got them. And I'm like, well, I'm back And

(52:08):
a little, you know, I didn't getit for a couple of weeks, but I
had parties in my room every night after that.
I startled awake, not figuring out, you know, all kinds of
noise and, and didn't put it together until a psychic friend
of mine spent the night and she sat up in bed in the middle of
night and says, my God, how can you sleep in this room?
It's got to be at least a dozen different beings in here, right?

(52:31):
And so it finally occurred to me, sometimes I'm a little slow
on the uptake, right? So in 2018, I'm getting ready
for an interview with Jeffrey Mishlub, which was a 28 year
dream come true in itself. And going through old files of
his video interviews found a mannamed Vernon Neppe who was

(52:53):
discussing the triadic dimensional distinction vortical
paradigm. Big words.
Essentially what they say is he and Edward close wrote a Theory
of Everything quantum physics paper and it's in ResearchGate I
believe, and it's about consciousness, space and time
being tethered across 9 dimensions.

(53:16):
All right, so here's 99 right? Science experience.
Wow, 20 you know, so their paperwas written in 2010, fifty years
after William introduced the process.
So now we're, we're, I think with AI, we're going to have

(53:37):
some of these patterns and processes that have been used by
others that maybe haven't been. So what's the word prolific,
right that now this may get somemore traction or people will
begin to say, oh, there are some, there is some science
behind it. Maybe I'll try it right.

(53:59):
And we begin to realize that, yes, we are on like spiral
dynamics. There are these different levels
and each one of them is almost not almost.
It seems to fit with the Sofaggio scale too.
There's 9 tones with it. And so those kinds of things

(54:20):
naturally bring us into this harmonic that's tied to a
greater being than ourselves now.
Kind of got way off into that those weeds bringing it back
into the more practical and pragmatic working with others in

(54:41):
your efforts and and with the others with collaboration
global. Do you see these kinds of, or
hear these kinds of conversations evolving within
the group where people are, are feeling like they're safe enough
and psychologically safe and intellectually humble enough to

(55:02):
where they can share these things?
And that because we don't learn until it's like having a
counselor, right? It doesn't matter what they're
telling you, it's the questions they ask and you listening to
your answers that helps you actually process it.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's interesting that
there does seem to have been a shift in the members recently

(55:23):
from the point of view that there are more members arriving
that say they are leadership coaches.
And then you get into a conversation with them and
they're like, Oh yeah, we're looking at the spiritual side of
leadership and then somebody else will be talking about
wealth management. And then we're talking about
being aligned with the universe for wealth management.

(55:45):
And it's like the first impression is this is my
business, and I'm very, you know, authoritative.
Almost materialist. Yeah.
And then once you get into thosedeeper conversations, it's like,
oh, you did OK, this isn't now tell me more.
And as soon as they're kind of given permission to go, oh, OK,

(56:06):
you're not seeing me as woo woo or a bit weird.
I can actually say what I love doing.
And then, so there's the, the basic part of the normal
business, whatever that might be.
And then, well. Still trying to fit into what
others or how they perceive others think the world should
be. And that is so codependent.
Yeah, but now they're in a spacewhere they're allowed to say the

(56:29):
weird and the wonderful. Like I say, one of our members a
little while ago was he said, I've been trying for years to
run away from this story. It's been on all that when I was
11 years of age. It was in all the papers in the
UK front page, how I've been abducted by aliens.
He said, I'll tell you the story.

(56:50):
You can make it up for you, makeup your mind for yourself.
I'm not asking you to believe mesaid.
I don't even know if I believe me, said it's gone on for such a
long time. I'm kind of sick of it.
But he said, there are things that I can't explain.
And, you know, but there wasn't one person that was like,
everyone was like, oh, what happened?
Tell us what? And it was fascinating.

(57:12):
And we are so open to what I call the weird and the
wonderful. And you know, there is nobody
that's going to say that's rubbish because if you're that
arrogant that you're condemning somebody else for what they
believe is their truth, then what are you shutting yourself
off from? So we have very open
conversations from politics where, you know, we don't agree

(57:36):
with each other or the politics through to when was the last
time you saw a ghost through to,you know, have you ever had a
near death experience and what was it like for you?
All sorts of things and everything in between as well.
So it's understanding that us ashuman beings, we only know a
tiny percentage of what each other knows.

(57:59):
And we have comparisons to yes, it was sunny today that that you
know, but you experience it all in a totally it's.
A comparison, right We we see less than 1% of the of the light
spectrum. Yes, yeah.
And. So I think that's all there is,
right? And yet there are sensitives and
others who see beyond that, who can see dimensionally, who, who

(58:21):
see these other beings. And yeah, I used to do that as a
teenager. I, I, I'm one of those that I've
been a contactee since I was a kid, an experiencer, 8 years
old, watching myself climb out. Had had a lot of experiences
prior to this. And I was able to watch myself
get out of bed, climb out my bedroom window, walk across the

(58:42):
neighbor's backyard into a fieldand rise up into an orange cigar
shaped cloud. Never thought anything about it,
only that I couldn't wait to go back.
And this went on for two years, at least twice a month, and then
that time was 8 to 10 and then 23.
I'm getting ready to move to Arizona.
Grew up in Indiana. And I'm walking through a

(59:05):
metaphysical bookstore and a book falls off the shelf.
Nobody else around, right? You probably had that happen,
too. And I mean, it's just like, it's
surreal, isn't it? So I walk over and books cover
up and it's Ruth Montgomery's Alien or it's Strangers Among
Us, Aliens Among Us. It was a post title after that,

(59:27):
several years later. So Strangers Among Us, I'd pick
it up off the floor, I'd turn itover.
And the very first paragraph I read is the most common UFO
contactee experience in the Midwest during the late 50s and
early 60s. Was that the orange cigar shaped
clown? So I'm have fun because it was

(59:49):
so cool. But why, right.
And so, you know, as my life went on, I found out that there
was tutelage happening there andintroduction to others that took
place. And it's still, you know,
difficult to talk. I hang out with the UFO crowd
for 30 years with UFO Congress and contacting the desert and

(01:00:13):
all those kinds of things. Know most of the people and
still because of my direct experience with it, which is
seems to be vastly different than most.
I'm kind of still held at a different, at a distance with it
because I'm not in it for the money, You know, I'm not part of
the circus. I, I went to Jeff Mishlev and I

(01:00:34):
had a discussion about this too,the sociology and ufology.
There's this circus atmosphere about it where it attracts
people who have experiences and then takes advantage of them in
instead of nurturing them. Because if we're having these

(01:00:55):
experiences, why? How can we find out more?
What openness or what kind of questions can we ask to further
integrate ourselves with races from other places that are far
superior to us and are just hereto help us because they've been
where we are, but they can't until we get our act together
and start acting like we love each other.

(01:01:18):
Yeah, it's not. It just doesn't seem to be
rocket science, does it? But we can't seem to, as you
say, get our act together. We can we are, you know, the I,
I do believe and I think you'll validate this COVID right, yes,
yes, forget who we want to blamefor it.

(01:01:39):
Just look at the event and what happened.
All right, it brought about obsession on self hygiene,
sequestration and what do you doin that place?
You either distract yourself or you self examine and that self
examination process, which are those with, I don't say greater

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intelligence. I think better curiosity, right?
They're like something doesn't feel right.
I want to ask some questions. And so those people began asking
questions. They began looking at the deeper
meaning of life, what they trulybelieve in, how they wanted to
be, why are they wanted to support others and how they want

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to use their skill set. And things changed, right?
Groups came up. Yours took a boon you because
you started earlier than that. David Hodges started collab,
regenerative collab in in December of 19, right?

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So March of 2020, the COVID happens and they move all their
stuff online. And so all of these meetings
took advantage of that. So and they're just one virtual
group that began there. There are, I know, 10s, maybe
hundreds of others that came about as a result of that.

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People looking for each other, yes.
How do we? Here's a question, cuz I'm sure
you've had to deal with this. How do you navigate the
mitigation of the silos is whether it's the Co creation way
on the different sectors of society and them not being aware

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of each other or organizations or individuals that are so mono
focused on their own work that they forget that there's others,
right? That's an unintended silo and
yet it is right. So how does, how do you see or
how have you been able to navigate that space to get

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others to look at each other andsay, well, OK, we've got these
things that we need to work on. I've got this skill, you've got
that skill, you know, kind of like we were talking about with
the chaotic organizational structure.
How does that play out for you with what you're doing with
Collaboration Global? I think what people have said to

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me in the past, do you interviewpeople to allow them to join?
And I said no, Anybody, literally anybody can join us.
But not everybody stays. So I think it's a self selection
space and there will be people that can't cope with the

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expectations put upon the culture of this is how we behave
in this space. You know, we, we help each other
first and foremost. We listen to each other, we
acknowledge each other. There is a list of behaviours
that we and it's organic. Again, the members have all say

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in what goes on. So there are people that come in
and when they are the what's in it for me brigade as opposed to
I don't know what I could do, but I'd love to help and I'm
like, come on in. That's fine.
But when it's the the people that are looking for something,
they'll come in and look around quickly and go, Oh, no, this the
goody 2 shoes in here. This is a bit I'm I'm off

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because they're cherry. Picking low hanging fruit right?
They say OK, how can I go in andpilfer which is the old profit
over people and planet. Yeah, and it's the the hunter as
opposed to the farmer, isn't it?So we're all in there farming
and planting seeds and supporting and helping and
growing and nurturing and they come in and they want to harvest
and then just disappear again. So I think it's about self

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selection. The ones that come in are ready
to make an impact on the world, make a positive impact, have a
legacy they want to leave, have some good they want to do, are
already using their businesses as a tool for those things.
But they just want to be with other people that are like that
and not other people that are doing the hard sell or doing the

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hustle or trying to get, you know, as I said, it's the seven
Magic 7 figure salary. These are people that are
already nurturing their own communities and want to bring
communities together, already looking to maximize who they are
and what they do in order to help other people who just
sometimes want some help and go I've started this business and

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I'm going it's not really going.So it's like this is the
cheapest way they can get marketing help, business
coaching support, leadership support from a a monthly fee,
but knowing that monthly fee is also going to a charity to
support impacts worthy causes around the world.
So it, it feeds into so many different areas where people go.

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Just being part of this community makes me smile.
Just being part of this community feeds my energy.
Just being part of this community means that I can help
more people. So I think anyone else that kind
of doesn't fit into that space. And then maybe all the mindset
of what's in it for me or I've got to do this and I'm on a

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mission and but it's like me, me, me, me, me.
It's not the right space for them and so they have to move.
On and that ought to change. You know, we a lot of people
drag baggage, right? They they try to bet to to bring
the past everywhere they go. Yeah.
And you know, there's no baggageon this flight, there's not even

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any carry ONS on this flight, although people like to carry
on. Yeah.
Those are things that when we look at it, there's a difference
between carrying the past and harvesting it.
That's the food that feeds the future.
What did we learn, right? Not what did what did we carry

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or who do we blame or what was the cause?
Doesn't matter. None of that matters that that's
all attachments. What matters is what goes
forward. You know there's AII like to
call it failing forward. We.
All make mistakes. We all jump, you know, stumble

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and fall and get back up again and, and the point is, we get
back up again. Yeah, exactly, Exactly.
There's a phrase in the UK rowing team when they were in
the Olympics, it's like, what are we doing that's going to
make the boat go faster? Forget all the noise that's
going on in your head and what we're going to do that's going
to make the boat go faster. So sometimes when people are

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having a disagreement or anything, it's like, is that
really that important? Is it?
Can you just kiss and make up and let's move?
On take somebody to bring that up right rather than I remember
sitting in corporate meetings back in the 80s, I was in charge
of $7,000,000 a month in shipments for an aerospace
company, 800 partners. I loved it.
I was the youngest guy in the department.
I rose to the top of the charts because I dealt with people, you

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know, on time delivery as I was there and above goal every
month. And so I got attention.
Well, then I realized that, OK, it's interpersonal skills that I
was using that allowed me to getthat because I just wanted to
treat people how I wanted to be treated.
And I demonstrated that well, the, the theme of that time was

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beating people up to get what you need, right?
Emotionally, physically, all kinds of stuff would be
happening. And this is just like aberrant
behavior. And so I bring it up in a 35
person departmental meeting suggesting that, you know, we
and I tried to do it as professionally as possible.
You know, we, we've gone throughthe ranks, we've learned how to

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expedite, we know how to get around the system.
Now we're dealing with people that usually are degreed and
expect a different kind of behavior from us.
So we need to give that to them.And wow, man, I was shunned for
two weeks, you know, this mid 80s and that was just how rough.

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And I was a disruptor even then.The good thing was even after I
left the company and stuff happened and I met, I ran into
the purchasing department secretary a year and a half
later. And she says you'll never guess
what just happened. Now, this was five years after I
introduced the need and even gota consultant to come in and talk

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to them about it. She says they just instituted
interpersonal skills classes plant wide.
That was for 2700 people. And so I wasn't there.
Didn't matter. I did.
I followed my gut. I did what I felt was right no

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matter what. And I suffered what some may
seem was consequences. What it did was it showed me
that I knew what I was doing andI didn't belong there.
Yeah. Yeah, that's the the heartache,
isn't it, when you're in that space.
And you right, because you commit to something, you'd love
it, you wouldn't be part of it. I, I really love the, what my

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job, the talking with people, making stuff happen, doing
everything and pulling off amazing things that, I mean,
they put me on the military spares desk.
I was at commercial spares. We had a 28% delinquency rate.
So the government, the Department of Defects Defense
took away $1,000,000 a month progress payment because we were

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28% delinquent. So you got to get it down below
10. So they put me on that desk and
I got in less than a year, I brought it down to under 10% and
at the same time was still creating the the waves.
And you know what, that kind of culture just wasn't ready.
And I was too naive to think that it was.

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And yet I still I still poke thebear.
How? Do you with that, where do you
feel like you're poking the bear?
What, what is it that that's coming up that seems to be the
most challenging in this figuring out how to take
collaboration to a larger scope and scale?

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Because of the culture and the way people come into the
community, I don't feel I'm poking the bear at all.
I am, I mean, it is small, perfectly formed.
It could do with being, you know, a gazillion people in
there. But at the same time, I'm just
loving every day. So the fact that every day I
know that I can make a difference every day.

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I know there are people in the community that are making a
difference to me. That's job done.
That's, that's all I need. That's fine.
I, I don't have to hustle. I don't have to schlep anything
around. I don't have to nag anyone to do
anything. It every it's working with
grown-ups. You know, it's just a really

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nice environment and people comeup with suggestions and I'm
like, brilliant, off you go and then they go off and do it.
It's like I'm not in charge. You know, it's an an
organization that self organises.
So somebody said, I think we should have a meeting at 8:30 in
the morning. I'm like, oh, I don't do
mornings. No, I don't think so.
And it's no, it's all right, we'll do it.
I went OK then and now we've gota morning meeting so it and

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they're loving it. And do you know what I I love
going as well. I don't like getting up early to
go to the morning meeting, but I'm not hosting.
I get to be a member and I just hang out and have a really good
time while they're hosting it. It's brilliant.
So no, I don't think there's any.
That's a really good question though.
Then I don't think there is any poking the bear.
It's just easy and and sometimesit's too easy.

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Can't tell anybody I said that, but sometimes it's just a joy
and I don't think I could ever stop.
Well, that's the. Hopeful, right?
Yeah, yeah, totally, totally. Don't you?
Say this. Sometimes it's too.
It's so easy that what? Well, I would do it when I'm
100, you know, it's that's that's the thing that I love it

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so much. If I didn't have it there.
It's my little mission to make adifference of a small part of
the world that lives, operates and functions in a way that I
think the rest of the world should live, operate and
function. So we are demonstrating to
everybody else. Come and come and join us.
This is fun over here. This is a nice way to be.

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There's nobody that's mean. There's nobody that's horrible.
There's nobody that's gonna stripe you up.
Just come and. You're not trying to expand the
business or conquer the world. Like, you know, the old British
attitude was right. This is the evolution of that's
like don't wait a minute. You know, maybe we weren't doing
the best we could and and maybe this is a better way.

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Now. Do you find that in this process
that there are other groups likeyours or do again, we're going
back to the sign up question, right?
Find that that you're connect because I know we connected
through planetary citizens and and my efforts of reaching out
to others. Do you find that's happening

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more often that that groups are aware of each other beginning to
interact? We are actually, yeah,
definitely interacting. So we've got members who have
their own communities and their own groups.
So I'm representative in their communities and they're
representative in ours, so that our members get to go to their

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communities and their members get to come to ours.
And so, for example, one guy, Mark Walmsley, has a focus
around the arts, arts and culture.
So he's got conductors from the Berlin Philharmonic, he's got
sculptors, painters, singers, musicians, every, everything
that's in the arts. And he's got like, I don't know,

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200,300 thousand people in his community, but he's part of ours
because we are similar but different to him in as much as
we've got a different culture working and we've got different
dynamic without with our community.
And it's much, much smaller. But a lot of his members come to
over to us and a lot of our members go over to, to do what

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he does because they, they fit. It flows.
It's it's this energy flow between the two.
And we've probably got about seven or eight of those people
with those kind of communities that have gone.
Why be part of yours as well? And you're like, yeah, can I be
part of your brilliant. And before we know it, we've
expanded it just by those peoplethat run those other communities

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being part of ours as well. So the idea of collaboration is
literally woven into the fabric of the people that are there.
It's amazing and it's evidence I, I would think of, you know,
you have a node, you know, in the, in the inner worlds and,

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and what is there's a group called fire the grid, right
where there's perceived to be this energetic grid around the
planet. And, and from what I've seen
internally in some of the spacesand places I've been in, there's
a grid system that the universe is set up on it.

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It's not necessarily straight lines.
However, there are connecting flights, if you will.
And. Nodes, right?
Each one of us is a is a node. And yet the larger the nodes
are, like with your collective, the more effective they can
become, a more rippling effect. I think that that happens.

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We're going to see evidence of that I think here in the near
future and maybe sooner than we expect.
You know what, we got another 12years before the window from the
space, the Segway between the Piscean and the Aquarium Age.
Jose Gwasin said that there were, you know, the 50 year

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window open in 87, closes in 37.And at the beginning of that
it's going to be kind of chaoticwhere everything that doesn't
fit into the harmony of things is going to come up to the
surface for review. And So what are we having
happen, right? Especially the last five years,

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right? All the skullduggery that's been
going on around the world has suddenly come to light.
Well, why is that right? Yes, we can say all because
people finally, you know, had enough of it.
Well, there's more than that. It's the vibratory shift that
took place where it's no longer compatible to do that.
Free will has taken a next step because you realize that the

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treatment of others is more important than the use of
others. Now, how do you?
How would you invite others or advise others in their own lives
to kind of take stock on where they're at and where?

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Not that they want to get into the stock market, right, But how
would they look into themselves or life in general and and find
a way that's more compatible, compatible to their nature?
I think we, we talk a lot about who are you being?
And it's like putting on a jacket, you know, you go into

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the office and who are you being?
You go to be with your family and who are you being?
And we all can put on the faith.How's business?
Hey, it's great, it's fine, it'sfantastic.
But actually who's your authentic self?
And that authentic self should be the one that everybody sees.
If you're brave enough to show that authentic self, and when

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you can and you feel safe to show that authentic self to
other people, you then become more comfortable in your being
and who you are. And that being has a decision to
make, a choice to make, an empowered choice to make is
like, well, what are you doing on this planet?
Why are you here? And what legacy are you going to
leave? And what mission are you on to

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ensure that you accomplish what you came to do?
And until you know who you are, how the hell are you going to be
able to collaborate with others to achieve that mission that
you're here to complete? So that is a big part of
Collaboration Global is raising the bar for yourself as well as
other people and the philosophy of, you know, boats in the

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harbour, when the tide comes in,all the boats rise.
And that's our philosophy, our standards up here.
And we want everyone to rise up and beyond that standard and be
an online country that everyone wants to emanate and share and
be part of and be connected to like a massive matrix around the
world. If they can dip their toe into

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this space that's founded on love.
And just by osmosis, go that I don't have to have an ego.
I don't have to push. I don't have to have that that
massive big house when there's only me and my husband in the in
the in the house rattling aroundall those things that we've been
taught from society that we needand is essential.

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Finding another purpose and the purpose that has been given to
us and the purpose that we feel right from all of our heart and
brains. I suspect there's a design, even
a genetic, you know the I felt for years that there's a a union
of soul and genes, right? The the more we can tune into

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soul and raise our vibrations, the better our genes are going
to be operational. That brings us to that level of
God consciousness that the Vedasspoke about.
Absolutely. And it's until you kind of
explore that side of you, you know, you're, you're kind of
missing the whole reason for being here.
And you might think it's becauseyou've had a family or, or, you

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know, whatever it is or the job that you're doing.
But if you've never explored whoyou are, you know you and that
connection and your faith and that.
And sometimes you need somebody that to help, like me.
I'm a transformational life because this is what I do for
others. I provide that psychologically
safe and intellectually humble environment for them to explore

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themselves. I listen, I ask questions, I get
them to dive deeper and explore,become vulnerable, look at the
things, talk about the things that they've only talked about
internally about themselves, andbring it out so that they can
hear themselves think and recognize their own cognitive
dissonance. And then begin to change that
through the action plans that wecreate that are very simple and

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directed towards their business or their passion or whatever.
It's very practical process, although there is that what many
would think impractical side of it that is intuitive, not
counterintuitive. And what's wonderful is when you
do take time to work on yourselfand it's an ongoing process, you

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never just do the one thing and it's done.
You've got to keep because it's up and down like it.
Like any relationship, the relationship you have with
yourself goes up and down as well.
But when you do take that time, there are moments in that whole
process when it's like mic drop,I did not see that, didn't.
How did I not know that about myself?
And then you you're stepping up and you're stepping up and

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you're stepping up. There will always be that step
up to go because when? That's the fail forward I was
talking about earlier. Exactly so.
But it's that exploration that can be a bit painful in the
beginning, but when you get thatmoment of revelation of like, Oh
my goodness, that's what I've been doing to all my life.
And you appreciate others drawing attention to the things

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that don't work for you. There are obvious that you don't
see, blind spots that you don't see.
That's an exploration. Thank you for letting me know.
That's all you know. That awareness now allows me to
change. Yeah, absolutely, in your own
time, in your own way. But if you don't know what you
don't know, then you're never going to be able to change.

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So you have to have that and doing it on your own I don't
think is good. It's it's having that person
that's asking you those pertinent questions.
And I mean, the classic one thatI had when I was on one course
many years ago was a So how's that working out for you, Jill?
Yeah, no, it's not working out at all.
That's so classic, that's. So classic.

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I love it. I absolutely love it.
And then yeah, listen, Zen, I hate to love you.
We. Got to go.
We're we're thank you very much recognized man.
We could go for a long time and.Thank you for.
Sharing this and and your wonderful journey, Jill.
It was so impactful and I know our audience is going to hear a

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lot. Thank you so much for inviting
me. It's been an absolute joy
talking to you. I've really enjoyed the
exploration and and where it cantake us.
And like you say, we could be doing another two hours at least
on this, but it's close to getting to midnight for me, so I
might turn to a pumpkin. Absolutely, Jill, thanks again
very much day and in lock Hatch and thanks for sticking with us

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