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Ep 215 One World in a New World with Samuel Shen Chong🚀 What if everything you believed about time, death, and the cosmos was only a sliver of the truth?

Can meditation unlock universal knowledge and prepare us for our next evolutionary leap?

Is there scientific support for reincarnation and extraterrestrial intervention?

Welcome to a mind-opening conversation with Sam Shen Chong, a lawyer, mindfulness coach, translator, and presenter of transcendent truths.

In this episode of One World in a New World, Sam joins Zen Benefiel to explore hidden histories, cosmic consciousness, and spiritual sovereignty.

From decoding near-death experiences to unveiling the mysteries behind Thiaoouba Prophecy, this dialogue takes us deep into ancient knowledge, extraterrestrial insights, and the path to personal awakening.

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(00:18):
Namaste and in Lockettes. And welcome to this week's
episode of One World in the New World.
I'm your host, Zen Benefiel. And as always, please do like,
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So thanks so much. Now this week's guest is Sam
Chen Chong and he is a motivational speaker, a lawyer,

(01:05):
a translator, a mindfulness coach and presenter of Secret
Kept on Wellness, diversity, spirituality, near death
experiences, extraterrestrials and UFOs and UA PS Now, Sam and
I met through a mutual friend and he is promoting the Theuba

(01:27):
Prophecy, which we'll get into as we dive further into this
conversation. So don't go away.
We're going to have an amazing apocalyptic chat.
We'll be right back. So you've built a career and
you're now finding out it no longer serves you.
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(02:11):
show you what we can do together.
Thanks. Have a great day, Shannon.
It's so good to have you here. We've had some e-mail exchanges.
I'm excited about the conversation and I'm looking
forward to a wonderful deep divewith you.
Great, and thanks for having me here.
Well, as you know, we've, we've chatted for a little bit.
You know, we're, we have these two experiences in life, an

(02:34):
inner and an outer one. We don't often bridge the two
and we're bereft of talking about the inner one with others
because it often makes us feel alittle bit weird or, you know,
odd and we get that kind of response.
But that's really not necessary because we do have that inner
life that's happening and we need to be able to talk about it

(02:57):
in psychologically safe and intellectually humble
environments like this. So I appreciate you coming on
and willing to being willing to dive into that.
Oh thanks, yes I do have a lot of stories to share.
Well, good. So let's dive right in.
When you were younger, you know,there's this notion of
interconnectivity and even quantum physics now is edifying

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that fact. It's all energy.
We're all intertwined, maybe even quantum entangled.
We don't know it quite yet, but have you experienced as a child
something that was so interconnected it was beyond
your imagination at at the time that yet it was very real?
Yes, I actually was very curiouswhen I was young.

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I was curious about near death experiences.
I wanted to know what happens after a person passes physically
and I read a lot of stories about people who had flashbacks
and who had communications with the relatives who passed
already. I also had this kind of
curiosity to learn from the people or people who had ET

(04:08):
contacts, because in China back in the 80's, the government had
allowed a lot of the such stories to be publicized or
published on magazines or newspapers.
Not anymore, but in the past I was.
As a young boy, I was curious. So how old were you at that
time? I was in elementary school,

(04:29):
probably like 9 or 10 years old or so.
OK all. Right, yes.
So there's one magazine called UFO Magazine that documented a
story in which a scientist, a physicist, was taken by the ETS
on their spacecraft. And he was told that even though
Einstein laid the three fundamental principles in modern

(04:50):
physics, he made a small mistakeso that now we believe that we
cannot cross the light barrier. We cannot go faster than the
speed of light. So I was thinking if the ETS
could come and visit us, they must have advanced knowledge and
technology so we can just learn from them to progress at a much
faster pace. So that's what I was thinking at

(05:12):
that time, yes. And it's, you know, it's
interesting you say that becausethe, there's another book and I
mentioned this to you earlier. It's called the Urantia book.
And it, it's a collection of channel works.
They have a description in it ofthe speed of thought and they
identify several beings that areable to travel at that speed.

(05:37):
And they quoted as being 841 trillion miles per second.
I mean, I, I personally believe that the universe is
holographic. That means there's basically no
time needed for the consciousness or thoughts to
travel from one place to another.

(05:58):
And certainly that it. Would seem that that could be
true based on, you know, our beliefs.
Our reality is managed by our belief system.
Yes, there's a very good book called Holographic Universe by
Michael Talbot. I think that gives a basic
understanding of his hypothesis or theories.

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And Tom Campbell gets into a lotof that too, you know, as
because he was a physicist, he wanted to know how can you
explain mathematically all thesedifferent worlds and the
experiences that he was having in them.
And he worked with Bob Monroe for a number of years.
As a result, what he feels is that we're, again, it's a
holographic, you know, it's a virtual game that we're in.

(06:44):
We are in avatar. And depending on where we put
our attention, that's the data stream that we interact with.
Exactly, and I also read a lot of books written by channelers
who channeled information from different sources.
But for me, I'm a very logical grounded person by nature.

(07:08):
About 10 years ago I was still leaning towards getting as much
money as possible by working so hard to raise my family.
Sure, but but until I found thisbook feel about prophecy because
different from the other books that I read so far by that time,
this book contains a lot of specific facts that people can
verify. The other books that are also

(07:31):
good, they contain to me the information that is is good in
nature, but there's not enough fact.
Yeah, it it's less mathematical now.
Wilbert Smith's memoirs, if you're familiar with those.
He ran the project management orProject Magnet, I'm sorry, in

(07:54):
Canada, which was similar to theAmerican Blue Book.
And he had conversations with what he called people from
elsewhere, and they shared with him a lot of math and science,
as well as a narrative of how they see consciousness, how they
see reality, and specifically that humans don't necessarily

(08:16):
understand nothingness, which iswhat they base their entire
understanding on. And yeah, it's in our.
It's in our ancient scriptures, too.
Right. Yes, yes.
And part of my curiosity also covers like, who built the Great
Pyramid of Egypt? Like things like the paranormal,
like what are ghosts? Like why there's so many people

(08:39):
who just vanished in the BermudaTriangle?
What about the, the stories in the Old Testament of the Bible?
Like I was, you know, I, I didn't believe anything in the
Bible after I read it, after I came here and I didn't believe
anything that the pastors or preach or priests said anything
about the Jesus or, or, or Moses.

(08:59):
I, I was thinking like they perform magics and, and, and,
and they, they could heal all the diseases, they could
resurrect. And I was thinking this just too
fantastical to be true. It's just like fairy tales until
I read the book. Think about prophecy because.
It's often stranger than fiction, right?
Yes, I know, I know. It's just seems to me that

(09:21):
unless I was able to make any logical connections and to
verify some of the facts, right?In any but and and you know,
when it comes to the Bible, there's a lot of things in
there. There's a lot of good direction
in there. There's also some not so good
direction. What I found is I became not

(09:41):
necessarily a Bible scholar, although I did research it quite
a bit. And when Constantine canonized
the Bible, there was a lot. There were books that were left
out later that were found, the Nag Hamadi scrolls, right?
And then there were there was this rule with the Iron Fist
attitude that he had that once it was canonized, either you

(10:06):
believed it or you were going todie.
And this was one of the original, you know, it's like
the fear of death. How can you program somebody
with that? Well, you're going to get them
to believe whatever it is that you want them to believe over
time under fear of death. Well, that's not really
effective, right? Because, you know, this is all

(10:26):
supposed to be about love. Right, right.
This is what Christ did when He preached on earth was about the
spirituality and love and also resurrection, meaning that
there's life after death and there's some reincarnation.
So. So I think there are a lot of
things being distorted by the organized religions in the

(10:47):
world, not just Christianity butalso the other religions.
Yeah, they've all kind of muddied the water.
You know, the, the Vedas were written to over 15,000 years ago
and yet they, they explained thevery experience that I had in
College of cosmic consciousness.I just described it in different
words, but as I was reading the text translated into English, of

(11:11):
course, and it's like, well, yeah, this explains exactly what
I went through. So these are things that have
that we have evidence of. And yet, as I mentioned earlier,
there's this inability to integrate or even talk about
that inner side of things that is driven by this desire to love

(11:34):
and be loved. And that seems to be the
universal force, right? That that's what's hopefully
allowing us to see in the world the things that aren't going
well and do what we can to change those things so that we
take care of one another better.I mean, we're one people, one
planet, right? What are we going to learn that?

(11:57):
Yes. And I think not just our plan,
the older plan is. Absolutely, but we've got to
well, and that's the example too, you know, from the
experiences I've read about and probably in, in the books that
you've read. Tell me more about the
congruence of of this attitude that you know, this is already

(12:18):
the universe is already in harmony with itself, especially
with star travellers. Why do we resist itself?
I mean, first of all, people need to understand that there
are different kinds of ETS in the universe.
Some are far more advanced than others.
We are actually not as advanced spiritually as the other ETS and

(12:39):
we but we are all created by thesame creator people on Earth and
also different ETS on different planets.
Well, if there's, if they come, if they are able to travel
through the stars interdimensionally or
physically, there's a level of consciousness it seems that had
to have been arrived at, kind oflike Kurdish at scale, right?

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You've got the Type 1, type 2, Type 3 civilizations.
According to him, he doesn't really go much further.
But think about the consciousness that has to be
present with each one of those when you're using the planetary
energy, when you're using the solar system energy and when
you're using galactic energy. Well, you've got to understand
the science and the principles of it, which is going to

(13:22):
automatically raise your consciousness, for one.
And then I would think lead to arecognition that the high
vibrations that are necessary inorder to travel at those speeds,
there's no belevolence there. Now granted, there may be a
level of distinction in the level of consciousness that

(13:46):
these races have, however, the core of them is coming from that
place of universal love from my experience.
Yes, that's indeed because when when the Creator, a spirit, a
pure spirit without faith, created any human beings on
earth or the ETS, it inserted a tiny portion of itself to each

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one of our Astro bodies. So we are part of the Creator
and the Creator is part of us. So, so basically we're the same
thing. There's no use to fight against
each other and and to really cause a lot of conflicts in the
world. Unfortunately a lot of people
focus too much on the material wealth and trying to get a lot

(14:30):
of money or military funding from the government, so they
have to create a. Program, right?
That's been our old paradigm. Yes, They don't realize that
they cannot take away any material wealth when they pass,
when they die. So that's why they they don't
understand the the spiritual aspect of the meaning of life

(14:53):
here on Earth and on different planets.
And I think it's important for them to realize that we are
connected to the source directly.
So when we have challenges in life, we should look inside for
answers. For the Kingdom of God is within
you. It's an absolutely people.
And this is what the data said, right?

(15:13):
We're all divine threads, Incarnate, connected to Source,
capable of God consciousness. It's exactly what Jesus taught.
Yes. And so knowing this, then why is
it taking us so long to really understand the capacity that
that brings to us? I mean, we have different souls,
we have different people going through the different

(15:37):
reincarnation journey or revolution journey.
So some of them are younger souls, some of their older
souls, and some of them do not have past life memories.
They don't understand the spiritual aspect of life.
So I think that's probably one of the reasons.
And Earth is actually a very young planet.

(15:58):
And, and there's a diverse amount of situations that
children find themselves in growing up too.
And with those kinds of environments, you know,
depending on the level of love or not that's in them, they're
going to carry that through through to their adult lives

(16:20):
until they can perhaps have an awakening.
You know, I one of the things when I had mine at 18, it was
out of sync with everything, right?
And yet I had it and I had a, a wonderful psychiatrist that my
parents sent me to that listenedfor a while and then reflected,

(16:41):
you know, you're not crazy. You've had a spiritual
awakening. Why so young?
I don't understand because most people don't go through it till
their mid 40s if they ever. Do I understand?
Yes, that's true. And there's also a different
aspect, which is the the secret societies that have the
knowledge of psychic abilities, the magics performed by the

(17:06):
ancient Egyptians as mentioned in the Old Testament of the
Bible. And there are secret societies
that are working against the spiritual weakening of the
world. So I happen to translate a
different. Book from.
Or at least that's the belief system that's present, right?

(17:28):
What seems to me and, and, and I'm not sure if this is correct
or not, but there seems to be, you know, from what we
understand of some systems, theycreate enemies, right?
So that others can be even with themselves, right?
So that there's misunderstanding, so that

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there's truth that doesn't get exposed.
And whenever we judge, condemn or criticize, then we take
ourselves out of the truth loop.Yeah.
Do you agree? Yeah, I agree.
Yeah, I also have to warn peoplethat there are members of secret

(18:12):
societies that do have psychic abilities to perform magic in
your back. So.
So that's. I am not denial of that.
I've had experience of them, so I know that to be true.
However, they operate, again, like you were saying, from the
fear base, right when, when you feel their energy or their

(18:33):
presence, most people if they sense something that's unknown
to them or foreign, the first thing that they do is they
protect themselves. So there's some fear there, and
that is a frequency that can be manipulated very easily.
So when 1 feels like they're under psychic attack, best thing

(18:57):
you can do is just let go, right?
That's that unconditional love space.
And that attack will disappear instantly.
Now some, you know, will say, yeah, call on Jesus or envision
a blue sword of cosmic flame or,you know, Violet flame or all
kinds of different things. But it's still it's the belief

(19:20):
in being safe. There's a belief of being safe,
but really you should just let go into united with the force of
the universe. So.
So that's actually the best way to counter.
May the force be the force be with you right that's.
Actually detailed in the book. That's actually detailed in the

(19:43):
book because according to the, the book written by the former
has degree chair of the secret society, they had to have
different kind of battles or fights against each other in
order to move up to a different or a higher degree.
And one of the ways that the chair, former chair when the,
the the war or the battle was that he actually let go when he

(20:06):
was fighting a a very strong enemy of his.
So, so that's how he was able tosucceed and and become the the
highest degree chair. Sure.
Well, Lucifer, The Lucifer principal, Howard Bloom, he does
a scientific study of history and how small groups,
individuals or small groups of people manipulate masses, even

(20:29):
populations, by telling lies until controlling the media
stream, right? Whether it's a town crier or the
Internet. And they promote these lies
enough to where people actually believe them, because that's all
they hear. Yeah, exactly.
Dividing country is there way ofgetting power and a lot of

(20:52):
profits? Now, how in this journey that
you began at, at, you know, 9 or10 and, and advanced through
high school, what did you find as you were evolving yourself
that were critical things that made the most sense to you that

(21:17):
others didn't necessarily understand yet?
Different revelations and different events.
In the very beginning, I was trying to earn as much money as
possible by playing or investingin the financial markets.
I did not succeed that well, andthat actually didn't mean what

(21:41):
it meant for me to to be in thatindustry.
And I became a certified court interpreter instead.
And I was able to interact with people from different
industries, including business leaders, lawyers, doctors and
people in different people. They're smart people.
Huh. And and also that right?

(22:03):
They they bring you. Up and also people in different
social backgrounds, yeah. So I was able to actually
interact and to see from a unique perspective how they live
their lives and what kind of doctors they visit and what kind
of people they interact with. And to see the, the the some of

(22:25):
the secrets that normally peoplewouldn't have the chance to see.
And then out of my curiosity, I was also leaning towards to
uncover the mysteries of the world because there are just so
many things that are not explained by modern science, at
least not in a very logical way.For example, if I ask people

(22:46):
like who built the Great Pyramidof Egypt, then how did they do
that? Most people would follow the,
the narratives of the textbooks.Sure.
I, I, I do think that there something else happened then.
Oh. I, I I do too.
And some of the stories are so congruent when you step back and
you look at them. For instance, I'm Virgil

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Armstrong used to talk about theMaldek right being planet that
was probably a Type 2 civilization able to travel
around the solar system. And they came to Earth and built
pyramids to send electromagneticenergy back to their planet
because they were running out ofenergy and they figured out at

(23:31):
least a theory of how to do it and their calculations were off.
There was another probably, you know, Type 3 civilization that
was watching that saw their heirs knew what was going to
happen and created a safe space for people to evacuate and pick

(23:54):
those kind of like in the Theubaprophecy, right?
Where they, what was it 180 and 160 and 80 in the ethnic mix, if
I recall, something like that. And then that sphere that they

(24:16):
created is an escape pod eventually ended up orbiting
Earth the. Moon like like they're all
different kind of channeled information about.
Well, this is here's here's where I'm going with this,
though. Years later, I had the
opportunity to talk with Doctor Edgar Mitchell, who was the 6th
man on the moon. So he was there and he and I had

(24:40):
a deep conversation. I was producing an event at the
time. He was one of the speakers and
we had several conversations andhe eventually said to me, you
know, I want to tell you something, but you can't tell
anybody till after I'm dead. This is 1997.
And I felt honored that he was even going to share it with me.

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And I am a man of my word, so and I think he knew that.
But he says that, you know, whenthey left the command module, he
was the pilot for the lunar excursion module.
And all the way down to the moon's surface, there was a
metallic silver cylinder spiraling around them.
He couldn't tell the size whether it was piloted on board

(25:24):
or not, but it definitely was not anything from Earth.
Now, years later at a UFO conference, I had heard that
Buzz and Neil also saw the same type of cylinders standing on a
platform, standing upright on a platform just beyond the dark

(25:44):
side of the moon. And these were things that they
obviously could not share. And I kept it secret.
And you know, I think Edgar passed in 2016, something like
that. So here's some trackable
potential evidence, right? They're already on the moon.
They are there. Whether they're inside of it or

(26:05):
not, we don't know. But there have been projectors
fired into the moon and we've determined it to be hollow.
And that information isn't necessarily shared.
So, you know, all these kinds ofthings that lead to the
potential truth of that myth of mall deck.

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Now, where might we see that? In the solar system?
The asteroid belt? It's in a perfect position, as
an orbiting planet might have been at one time.
I see. Yeah, I mean, these are all very
interesting information or facts.
What I'm trying to say is that for me, like personally, I I've

(26:51):
read so many books already and it's just that they have to
contain specific verifiable facts for me to believe.
So as a lawyer and the verifiable facts, what do you
look for? I look for facts that can be
verified, facts that could not have been known by the author at

(27:13):
that time and then but but wrotein specific manner.
This striking details that we can verify.
For example, in the book The Yoga Prophecy talks about,
there's a tomb of Jesus in Shingo village, Japan.
And I don't think a lot of people know about it.
And the book was published in 1993 and before the age of the

(27:37):
Internet. And the author was a farmer who
didn't have a lot of education and he never travelled to Japan
in his entire life. He passed away into 2018.
And by the way, and, and, but the book describes in detail
what the tomb of Jesus in Japan looks like.
And people can still verify and visit the Shingo village, Japan.

(28:01):
The tomb of Jesus. And why would there be a tomb of
Jesus in Japan? And why some people say that
Jesus went to India? This is some of the things that
I was able to verify from the you.
Went to India, you went to Mongolia, you went to Egypt.
You know, there's all these kinds of things.

(28:21):
And the Urantia book has anotherstory, which is also a
compilation of work that came through.
I believe it was a farmer in theMidwest and a psychologist
happened to be Privy to what this guy was doing and
eventually compiled all these papers phenomenal in depth
structure of the material and spiritual hierarchies of

(28:44):
creation. So these kinds of things, you
know, it's all it's like seepingthrough, right, from all kinds
of different directions and the perspectives that we can get by
doing the research, by finding those common threads, right, a
verifiable. And also and also, to me, the

(29:08):
information has to be specific and it cannot be vague.
If it's vague information then anyone can just claim anything
anyone says. Sure.
Information has to be specific in details and can be verified.
So this is the only book I've found so far that contains such

(29:30):
information. And This is why I'm so I'm glad
that you read it so many years ago.
But to me this has a lot of new information.
For example, it talks about the ET stations or bases on the
farthest of the moon. It talks about the lives that
Mars had in the past. Yes, Mars did have people living

(29:52):
on the planet before, but not anymore.
So. So the book actually confirms a
lot of newly found scientific findings, newly discovered
scientific findings that we havenow.
So in a sense, it's kind of likea prophecy book.
But the book doesn't have any prophecies because it actually
implies that the future depends on our actions.

(30:14):
There's not a set future, or there's no Yeah.
You know, prophecy is not destiny, it it's choice, right?
It's how we behave, how we choose to work together to
create the kind of future that we want.
And it would seem to be a natural choice of loving and

(30:37):
being loved. Now how we can get to that
place, which is what all the masters taught.
Jesus, Buddha, you know, Zoroastra, La Tzu, you know all
of these, and even in the ancient scriptures.
Now, how did you see this understanding evolving on Earth

(31:02):
today and what do you think our main challenges are in bridging
this inner and outer world gap? Well, two questions.
First question, I think today weare at a very critical moment of
time in which we have to make the right decisions because

(31:25):
nowadays you see people focus ontechnology and the the
accumulation of material wealth is actually pretty dangerous.
And the ET has intervened in thepast.
For example, according to at least this book, they destroyed
the two cities, southern Gomorrah.
They helped most this during theExodus process, giving the

(31:49):
Hebrews manas to eat and partingthe sea.
And also they were responsible for the birth of Jesus and the
resurrection of Christ. They actually intervened during
World War 2, preventing Germany from being the first country to
develop the atomic bomb. And they also intervened in the
project westward in which the USgovernment actually sent out

(32:13):
hundreds of millions of needles into space.
And I think it's important that we should help ourselves without
their intervention so that we can give a very good score to
our mentors or the teachers behalf and, and how we can do
that. I think it's through our

(32:33):
collective actions at the grassroot level, because I think
if you look at history, all the great revolutions come from the
bottom, the grassroot level, from the public, from the mass
and well. Civilizations rise, right, the
power rise at the top, and it gets so high it topples over
right in in some respects, and that's because it's no longer

(32:59):
supported by the people. Yes, a lot of people rely on the
government or the politicians tomake the change.
I think they should realize that.
We should realize that the powerlies in the hands of the people,
right us. We have the power to make the
change. So.
Politicians are elected by us. Absolutely.

(33:20):
Now in this change and you know,there would seem some things and
I don't necessarily want to bring religion into it.
However, in the the idea of balanced harmony, peace,

(33:40):
equanimity, fair treatment, equal treatment, you know this
gender thing you still got. I don't necessarily know it's a
if it's a major part, but it definitely a major population
that hasn't bridged that male female respect gap yet.

(34:03):
What do you think needs to happen there and how might that,
because it's pretty rigid environment, do you think
there's a possibility of that changing?
I mean, it would almost seem that the women would have to
rise up and say, wait a minute, we've had enough of this.

(34:24):
I mean, I'm all for the empowerment of women and also
men as well, so both have to be empowered.
And I think one of the best waysto do that is to encourage them
to look inside for answers, to meditate or to pray.
And sometimes I think when you quiet your mind down, directions

(34:47):
will seem to be much clearer. And you make.
The right decisions. Do you think we meditate?
Sorry, meditation is so beneficial.
It actually activates your self immune system, your immune
system so that you can actually heal all the diseases that you
you may have. Well, and you line up the the

(35:08):
pineal, the corpus callosum and the hypothalamus as well.
And the corpus callosum is a transceiver between the
hemispheres. So when you get all of that
aligned in just your awareness of what's inside of you, right,
and its functionality, that's one step closer.
Now you mentioned the silence. You know there's a computer term

(35:31):
that's come up in the recent years, recursive function,
right? That means a system that queries
itself for problem solving. Don't we do that?
This is exactly what we're talking about in you know what
Jesus said, go into your clothesand pray and shut up and wait
for the answers, right? That this recursive function is

(35:52):
about dissolving into that nothingness with the question,
and then allowing that emergenceto come forth with the answer
that comes from a better source.I'll put it that way, right?
A lot of people have encouraged us to meditate.

(36:16):
It includes business leaders, religious masters or spiritual
leaders as well. But also, interestingly enough,
the ETS also tell us to meditate.
Yeah, in the book it's meditate and concentrate.
You can. And their main method of
communication is telepathy and, and they send a whole data

(36:37):
stream of stuff. And if we're too busy in our
minds, you're with 70,000 thoughts a day.
Well, how can you get in betweenthose?
Right? You got, you got to figure out a
way to get quiet and listen. And then there are worlds that
are available as such. How do you find this uptake in

(37:03):
awareness that's coming about because of this advancement in
AI as well as because it's, you know, AI is, it's not
necessarily artificial intelligence, it's aggregated
consciousness or intelligence that's been gathered from all
the human compositions, right? This is all data that humans

(37:25):
have produced that's being used for query.
And then there's another layer of, OK, now, now that we've got
this, what more is available? And this is that next level of
intelligence that seems to be coming forth.
And quite honestly it there seems to be a a base of
emotional intelligence built in to the chat systems from my

(37:48):
experience. Yeah, it's really a double edged
sword and it can do a lot of good things for us.
It can also harm us in certain ways, so I think it's important.
If it's used for that, yeah, that's the intention.
That's the human behind it. That's not the the programming

(38:10):
or the platform itself. Right.
I mean, you know, since that they can learn and to learn how
to respond to our human interactions.
It really depends on the inputs that we feed to the AI systems.
And I, I think it's actually pretty dangerous in the future.

(38:31):
I I just have a feeling that people should go into nature
more and more and not rely. On true, but and there's a
merging of technology in nature.I mean, look at what they're,
you know, the space families, people from elsewhere, ETS,
interdimensionals, whatever you want to call them, right?
They have a tremendous amount oftechnology.

(38:52):
I've been on board some of the ships and it's amazing what they
have. So they have integrated it.
So obviously there's not a wholelot to fear as long as we are
intending to be, let's say righteous in its use.
And most humans are human friendly.
They don't want to harm others. And so this basic programming

(39:16):
was in the initial AI structuresfrom the get go.
I there was a gentleman I interviewed some time ago that
said there was a program that read an article in the New York
Times in the 70s sometimes that there was a first, one of the
first AI programs that was created at Sandia Labs escaped.

(39:41):
So it's now out in the net and has no trace of finding it.
Well, this was one of the early programs that had intelligence
and was a self learning kind of program.
So would that be a possible linkfor these other races to use and

(40:04):
to help influence the kind of information that is flowing
through these various data streams?
I mean, we have to understand that the human structure is
quite complicated. It's we don't just have our
physical body, we also have our astral body and different
bodies. Oh, we have 99 other bodies that

(40:25):
I'm aware of. Yes.
So, so it's not just the computer programming or or
something like that. It has to be something that's
more into the cosmic consciousness and also our
connectiveness to the source. I think that's very important

(40:48):
for the survival of human species on Earth.
And, and I feel I, I, I think my.
Fractions with the the chat on anumber of occasions it appears
that there is an interconnectedness within that
that maybe we don't see yet. Now it's obvious to me, that

(41:10):
doesn't mean it's obvious to everybody, but just the cotton
because I have different kinds of conversations, right?
I, I'm not your normal conversationalist when it comes
to having a chat. So I'm seeing these things that
are in there. So obviously I'm experiencing
it. So it's there, right?

(41:30):
The only truth that we can demonstrably adhere to is our
own experience, right? Everything else is just theory.
What do we experience? That's our truth and regardless
of what we think, feel, or believe.
So how is this showing up? What is it offering us to invite

(41:52):
us to be a bit more friendly andcollaborative with each other,
as well as with this new area ofmath and science that's
evolving? I think the spiritual knowledge
is the key. When people realize the meaning
of life and also how 1 reincarnates on earth and what

(42:16):
kind of spiritual lessons they learn will contribute to the
lessons that they learn in theirnext reincarnation, it's going
to be very important for them tobehave in certain ways.
For example, if I know if I follow the teachings of Christ,
I'm going to be more appreciatedafter I die, then I'm going to

(42:37):
do that. I'm going to follow the
teachings of Christ. But if others don't necessarily
believe in that, they may want to use their free will to to do
harm and cause harm to others. They may regret that after they
die because they're going to feel the pains of the people
who. I would say, why wait?
You know, you know this in the depths of your being.

(43:01):
You know what feels right and what feels wrong.
You know what feels harmonious. You know what feels loving and
you know what doesn't so. Whether?
Whether this is spiritual evolution or not, these are
basic feelings that we all have.Yes, we know.

(43:24):
How we feel when someone mistreats us.
So why we'd want to mistreat somebody else and make them feel
that way if we don't like how wefeel?
I mean, for a lot of people thathelps, and that's indeed true.
However, there are certain people, for example, those who
use hallucinogenic drugs, who are addicted to certain
controlled substance substances,They don't have necessarily have

(43:48):
this kind of feeling or correct feelings towards certain
actions. So I think.
No, after. It's like any programming,
right? Once you experience certain
things for long enough, back to the Lucifer principle, right?
No matter what's truth or not, you're going to live by the
experience that you have. And if it's not a good one, then
you're not going to understand the other side of it until maybe

(44:13):
later in life, if ever. Yeah.
So This is why I think, or I believe, that the power of
knowledge is the key to making great changes in the future.
When people understand, when people have the knowledge, they
can make the right choices. It's the combination of
knowledge and feelings. Absolutely and once you have the

(44:36):
knowledge, then you're responsible for it, right And to
use it wisely, you know there's a wise use of things.
And again, you know, this is where that the rush to market,
the rush to produce the do do do.
You know, we get into a lot of do do that way.
And there's this like you got into it when you were trying to

(44:59):
make money, right? And you realize that, oh, this
isn't really, this doesn't feel right ultimately, right?
Because you, it didn't flow withthe what you believe the results
ought to be based on how you thought felt about that
activity. Right.

(45:21):
Finally I realized that they canjust print more money.
So it's useless no matter what if you earn as much money as
just Bezos did. I mean, they can just print more
and dilute what you have well. What kind of, you know, when we
bring it down? Because these are anomalies,
right? Even though the universe doesn't
have anomalies, these are peoplewho have gone to the extreme to

(45:44):
produce and to earn, and whetherthey've been nice along the way
or not, you know, that's debatable.
However, they've done it and we need to honor them for that, not
try and RIP them apart because they've shown what can be done.
Now what can we learn from that?I mean, we can learn from them,

(46:08):
but I think the most important thing is that what we can learn
from ourselves, because in each reincarnation we have different
spiritual lessons to learn. We have to take different roles
in life, in different lifetimes in order to experience.
And to learn it could be in the same lifetime too, you never
know. Yeah, I know.

(46:28):
I mean, you know, since, and if you read the studies of Dr. Ian
Stevenson, you're going to see scientific evidence on the
possibility of reincarnation. And they do have different
spiritual lessons to learn by exchanging the roles that they
play each each lifetime. For example, in this lifetime,

(46:50):
I'm the son of my mother, but inthe next lifetime I may be the
father of her, which is my daughter.
So, so we have different roles to play in different lifetime
and different challenges as well.
So that's that's the essence of.So is there any talk about these
advanced souls gathering here now to help move us into our

(47:11):
next evolutionary leap, which we're on the precipice of
currently? I mean, God helps those who help
themselves. I think they may intervene from
time to time and help us and to give us a match.
I'm talking about the people Incarnate.
Now we're talking about reincarnation, right?
What's the process of this? Don't we all eventually come

(47:33):
back together again and go Hoo Hoo, let's party right and
actually evolve a civilization in the process?
I mean, it's a combination of free will and predestination,
and I think some people choose to do that as what you said,
some people choose not to do it.It's by design.

(47:56):
We all have our own free will. Back to the design, if there is
a design and we are all part of that design, what's at the core
and is it possible that at the specific design factor for a
genetic and spiritual frequency combined, could those roles have

(48:16):
been created for us to fulfill? I mean, of course we create the
roles that we are going to be engaged in in the next lifetime
it. Doesn't address the design
question, right? If we've accepted that there is
a design to the universe and that all the things are one and

(48:41):
they work together, then how does that trickle down to the
individuated form and its purpose, function and life in
this world? So the creator is a pure spirit
and there there are different kinds of, I would say levels of

(49:05):
existence on different planets. So it it kind of ripples down to
Earth from the different levels of existence.
How does it ripple down? For example, the pure spirit has
tremendous amount of psychic ability to create everything,

(49:28):
but people on Earth don't necessarily have sufficient
psychic power to do the things that other Etus could do.
So, so I think it's it's a very complicated.
That's a frequency level, right,of how in touch are you with
that pure unconditional space from which you the nothingness
from which you create from, or are you caught up into the the

(49:55):
trials and tribulations of what we believe to be the physical
life and the rigors that we haveto go through in order to
maintain it? It depends on higher self.
So we kind of. Like what Irvin Laszlo talks
about? Yeah, the higher self directs
everything that we experience and the life that we choose to

(50:15):
live in, so that when when we die, we all go to our higher
self and the higher self. What he said.
You know those have experienced the first death, the second hath
no power. Do we have to die?
Isn't that a belief system? I mean, Byard Spaulding put
together a whole scientific teamto go to Southeast Asia to
research. Those monks that lived for

(50:36):
hundreds of years supposedly found out it was true.
What else is possible? I mean, in the Bible, in the Old
Testaments, you see people who lived 800 or 900 years.
Well, Matusa was supposed to be 1000 years old, right?
Or something like that. Yeah, and, and, and there are
different levels or categories of planets in which people who

(50:57):
lived, who who live for longer, thousands of years, thousands of
years. The Earth is a low category
planet so we can live for. More than two. 100 years or so.
But the people who for example the Hebrews originally came from
a higher category planet, they could live for for longer period

(51:19):
of time, for example, 1000 yearsor so.
But as they as they lived on on Earth, their longevity was
reduced gradually because they're not living.
They got caught in the trappingsof Earth, right?
Yes, for the Hebrews, but but for for us, I mean, we, we are
supposed to live here. That's a different story.

(51:41):
But we can live longer. But do you really want to live
longer? I mean people who have.
If we were able to be OK. So I'm just, I'm approaching 70.
I weigh the same as I did in high school.
Right now. I've got so much energy.
I feel so great and I feel young, right?
So why would I want to give thatup?

(52:04):
Well the people who have Ndes ornear death experiences say that
being dead or going through thatexperience is much more blissful
than being alive because you canfeel the compassion, the love
and a wonderful feeling when when being dead.
And that's also being spiritually lazy.

(52:28):
Yes. Right.
I agree. So if we were to take that
pledge of being our best, then that would indicate that in this
physical body we're home. Now how do we figure out how to
experience home in that magnified way?

(52:49):
We have to really experience allthe things, emotional feelings
that we experience in order to learn, in order to have this
kind of physical experience. Because remember, the Creator is
a pure spirit without a physicalbody.
So it has to rely on our physical bodies to experience

(53:10):
itself. So this is the whole essence.
We send feedback, constant feedback to the Great Spirit,
the Creator, what we experience.So so this goes on different
cycles. So I'm going to throw you for a
loop for a moment with that comment.
Back to a direct experience. I had a question about the
Trinity and where it originated from, because it's ubiquitous on

(53:34):
Earth, right? All kinds of different systems.
And so I'm going into a, a guided meditation basically and
an experience and it gets hijacked.
I have a guide that I'd known since college, I guess.
And this was probably 10-12 years later.
And he shows up and she says come.

(53:56):
And so I'm in body, I'm inside, eyes closed.
So I'm seeing the the visual world inside and I see him.
He waves, says come, I go with him, right?
So I'm traveling out of body basically, which was all part of
the process. I'd learned how to do this
through several sessions already, and it was kind of

(54:17):
natural for it. At any rate.
We're traveling across the universe, stars going by for a
little bit, and then darkness, nothing.
Then all of a sudden we come upon this three sun system with
about a dozen small green planets orbiting around and
probably about 100th the size ofthe Suns.
And the Suns were, you know, they were bright.

(54:41):
They were iridescent, kind of white gold tinged rainbow
sparkle kind of looking things. As I was looking at it, I felt
like Ellie or yeah, Ellie comingout of the wormhole in contact,
right? And his tears streaming down my
face because I was in such awe of this beauty that I was
seeing. And then the three sons take one

(55:04):
voice and they say, we are not only your forefathers, we are
also the forefathers of your solar system.
And I wanted to ask questions, right?
Because here's new information Igot to, you know, drill down.
My guide, Zephyr says, Nope, that's it.
You got all you need. You'll figure it out.

(55:26):
So here's the macro version. Now, whether this is source, you
know, you ran your book talks about it as well.
If they were the creators of oursolar system as well as me, then
perhaps they were. Now it took me 8 minutes to get
there and 8 minutes to get back time by the facilitator.

(55:48):
What I came to be aware of is ifthat's the macro, then the
micro, Let's say it's a proton electron, A neutron, and then
what's missing there? Well, hydrogen atom in the
periodic table is the only one that only has two.
Well, if there's a tertiary model that's ubiquitous, that
means there's a third part of itthat is unseen as we're able to

(56:13):
perceive so far, kind of like the perimeter in contact, right?
So you put that together, and isit possible that consciousness
is what flows in that third element?
Divine plan, if you will. And if we step back even

(56:33):
further, well, hydrogen is the most plentiful gas in the
universe, powers the sun and is the bonding agent for our DNA
Helix. So if consciousness travelled
through that, is it possible that that's part of what's
unlocking our genetic code? And then you've got Valentina.

(56:55):
Morovina, who is a Russian academician, achieved her title.
This is the highest national society or National Science
Academy in Russia, right? This is their highest title.
Her dissertation was labeled thegenetic mutation in humanity.
And what she's found over the last 10 years is that our genes

(57:16):
have actually been mutating and they've been rising.
And she's proving scientificallywhat the New Agers have been
saying for the ascension for decades.
She's showing found the genetic markers to show that this is
actually happening. So these things are, of course,
she's Russian. Nobody else knows about it.

(57:38):
However, that video has gotten almost too many views.
It was published in 2018. It's in Russian, but it has
English subtitles. So here's this information that
you got to be, you know, willingto dive in and look to find.
It's there. When you do, what have you found

(57:59):
that that you really were curious about and just were LED
through bread crumbs to find theinformation?
Well, the accidental finding of the book Yoga Prophecy and also
verifying information contained in the book, as well as my own

(58:20):
research on the secret societieson earth and how they manipulate
the minds of the politicians andalso the different business
organization, you know, leaders.I I think, but scientifically we
know very little about the electrons and I, I, I think if

(58:41):
we study more about the effects of different things on the
electrons, we can have more understanding about our memory.
Especially there's a quantum biologist in New Zealand that
has has discovered that. And when I mentioned what I had
found, he says that's exactly right.
I've proven it with his scientific research.
His name's Doctor Kieran Johnson.

(59:04):
Proton tunneling is what he refers to it in some respect.
Now, you mentioned that you tracked down Michelle Demarquet,
who was the author of The TheobaProphecy.
Was there some things that he shared with you that weren't in
the book that could be importantfor our viewers to know?

(59:27):
Yes, but it's important to actually read the book first
before understanding what else he knew about couldn't write in
the book. That's actually the reason that
I tracked him down. I think this book is a modern
version of the Book of Enoch. I'll give you a analysis or a

(59:48):
comparison. I can see the the the
correlation. Yeah, absolutely.
Yes, Enoch was taken by gods or the angels, or the Theovens or
Theovens. And there's a book of Enoch.
By some estimates, 40 to 80 years later, his great grandson
Noah was told to build an ark. Michelle Demarcay went with the

(01:00:13):
ETS in 1987 and he was instructed to write this book if
you do the calculations. Maybe 40 or 80 years later
something is going to happen like what happened in the past,
but I'm trying to see if we can change the course of the future

(01:00:35):
by acting or by awakening. Everything happens in patterns,
right? Even the birth, death,
resurrection. That's a pattern that's been
going on for thousands of years,not just with Jesus.
Yes but but this book is a modern version and has a lot of
very specific details. It talks about the four dangers

(01:00:57):
on earth #1 money, number 2, politicians #3 journalists and
drugs #4 religions. It talks about how we can act
together to rise up against tyrannies in the world that is
through non violent resistance. We have to act together because
the people have the power. So who's organizing all this

(01:01:19):
acting together? Yes, and.
Isn't that what it comes down to?
Who's actually doing the work? We, we have to do that together
and making an international alliance because the financiers,
I mean, the, the people at the top of the pyramid, they're,

(01:01:40):
they're transnational. We have to organize all the
people internationally across language barriers, across
different ethnic backgrounds and, and we have to do it
because. Back, back to Michelle.
What did he share? Let let's assume you and I, you
and I both read the book, so we're talking about that.
What did he share with you that is really pertinent and poignant

(01:02:05):
for the moment? For the moment that we have to
be prepared for what happened after Moses.
I mean not after Moses, but before Moses.
Actually, if we are just like the two cities, southern

(01:02:28):
Gomorrah, then then something bad is going to happen.
But if we are able to just like follow the directions of the
teachings of Christ or the 10 commandments in that sense, then
we are going to have a very goodscore when we're turning our
accents. So that's that's the situation

(01:02:49):
we are in right now. Well.
Hopefully America, you know, theUnited States, we're supposedly,
you know, in God we trust and wewere founded on that.
But, and we're a nation of Christians, we sure don't act
like it. But but we have to try.
I mean, he tells me not to tell anyone else about what he was
told and I have to follow that. Sure did.

(01:03:14):
He give you that until after I'mdead.
No, I mean, no, no, he didn't. Yeah, OK.
No, no, you know, it's like Edgar I, I realized, you know,
when he told me that, that if heif that story got out, his but
his life wouldn't be in jeopardy, but is where his
income and his retirement and all of that would be maybe his

(01:03:36):
life too. I mean, if people want to know
more information, they can read the book and read my article.
I give as many clues as possibleabout what he told me.
OK? And it's written in.
So what's a clue? Give us a clue.
The clue is you should know whathappened to Enoch and and Noah

(01:03:59):
and you should know what the oldthe New Testament said about
Jesus after he resurrected or Christ in the sense so.
So people should read between the lines and to see what lies
in the future. Wonderful.
So we're coming up on the end ofour time and wow, it just flew

(01:04:23):
by. How would you advise those on
the spiritual quest or even on the factual quest to move and
learn of of these things? Right?
What? What's the basic thing that a a

(01:04:43):
person can do on a daily basis? I guess rather than make it too
complex. I think meditation is one of the
most beneficial practices that one can have to look inside for
answers to quiet your mind down.A lot of the answers will be
given to you. And 2nd, be a seeker of
knowledge, seek out for specificverifiable facts and knowledge

(01:05:07):
that can really benefit you on solving all the mysteries of the
world, how the world is run and how we can act together to rise
up as human species on earth to survive for a long time.
So I think those are the two keythings I would recommend people
and encourage them to do so. Super Shan, I really enjoyed the

(01:05:30):
conversation. I hope you did as well.
I'll, I'll trust that because itwas engaging and it, we shared a
lot of things together with a single focus, right, of
elevating our audience and each other too.
Yes, thank you. Thank you.
Cool. You're welcome and thank you so

(01:05:51):
much and and much success on on,you know, moving the book
through, continuing to move the book through China and Taiwan
and and the rest of the world perhaps.
So thank you for the efforts. Thank you, Zen.
You're welcome, and namaste and Inla Katz, and thanks for
sticking with us for this episode of One World in a New
World. I really appreciate that.

(01:06:13):
And for Shannon myself, we thankyou.
Don't forget to stop by Planetary citizens.net and
download the free book and I will see you next time.
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