Ep 216 Awakened by Silence - Return to Oneness with Dr. Anton Grosz - One World in a New World - Apocalyptic Chats Podcast

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Namaste and in LA catch and welcome to this episode of One
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absolutely blow your mind and soothe your soul.
Well, this week's guest is AntonGross.
He's an American author, a spiritual teacher and an
interfaith minister who had an interesting experience just much

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like mine that we'll be talking about.
You're going to just love this conversation.
He's got a PhD in the evolution of human consciousness from the
California Institute of Integrative Studies.
He's got several books, one of which is just amazing.
It's called Handbook for a New Consciousness, the next step in
human evolution. He's got another one called

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Dying Friend, helping those who who you love make a conscious
transition. And I'm sure we're going to talk
about that because we've both done similar things.
He was born to an atheist family, and this is going to be
just an amazing conversation. If I didn't say that before,
stay tuned, we will be right back.
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Anton, it is such a pleasure to have you.
I've been looking forward to this conversation and I know
it's going to be phenomenal. Thank you for being here and for
the work that you do. Well, thank you then for the
invite and my pleasure to be here.
It just, you know, one of those,one of those wonderful things

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that happens when you weren't expecting it, suddenly there it
is. Oh, sure.
Yeah. And then being one right now
we're we get to play with each other.
There you go. Now, Speaking of the oneness,
right, you and I both have had, let me preface this a little
bit. The purpose for these
conversations is to bring out those inner conversations that

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we don't have with others so that others can understand.
Yeah, it's OK to talk, right? We're not crazy.
We're not insane. We're talking about real
experiences, which are our only truth, and how we can then
integrate those and bridge thoseinner and outer worlds so that
we can create one of harmony with each other and the planet

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and the cosmos. That's a big goal we're capable
of. How did this start for you?
Well, it's really an interestingstory, I think, and goes many,
many years back. I mean, gosh, you're only 85.
Well, there you go. You know I so.
You're still a young guy though,right?

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Yeah, no. There were those who lived,
what, 7-8 hundred years long time ago?
Well, why aren't we? Well, if you want to consider
all the times I've been here in in different incarnations, but
that's another story for this one, yeah.
It's a rabbit hole we could get in for hours and days.
Yeah, I'm near the end of the current one.
I'm in, no question about it. You know, another 15 years would

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bring me to 100. Wow, whoever expected that?
But it's a joy. It's been a joy and it's getting
more and more fun, which is something I wouldn't have been.
Absolutely. You know, Urban Laszlo's 93 now,
and he's still going strong. Oh, absolutely.
Anyway, let me get you back here.
I grew up in an absolute, oh, bythe way, I was born in New York

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City, in Hell's Kitchen, sectionof the New York City called
Hell's Kitchen. And I think it's really
appropriate when you consider how far I've come from there.
Well, yeah. Born in Hell's Kitchen to an
atheist family. One more can you ask?
One more everything would perfectly set up right.
Perfectly set up. When I was six years old, my

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grandfather sat me on his knee. He said God is the sum total of
man's ignorance. We used to think that the sun
was God. Then we learned how the sun
works. Now the sun isn't God anymore.

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Someday humanity will understandhow everything works and
there'll be no need for God at all.
Now, when you're 6 years old andyour grandfather tells you that
and you know he's the smartest one in the family because he's
the loudest and he wins all the arguments, right?

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Right. You believe it all right.
And then when your mother says to you, you know, if there were
a God, which there isn't, but ifthere were a God, I'd spit in
his eye for what he allowed to happen to the Jews in the Second
World War. To her, God not only didn't

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exist, but if he did, he's nasty.
I grew up ambivalent. Yeah.
Well, he not, not even that he let it happen, you know.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is this is from her
perspective, the point being that I grew up with science is
the only thing that matters. If you can't prove it, it's not

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real. If not real, you know, and I'd
argue with my, my, my friends, my, my, my friend Beverly,
we're, we're eight years old. She says how would you know not
to kill somebody if God didn't tell you not to?
Oh, I just know it's wrong. I know I don't need anybody to

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tell me that I shouldn't. You know some.
Evidence of the indwelling spirit, right?
Yeah, by the way, Speaking of indwelling, I somehow knew from
the very beginning that if therewere a God, which there wasn't,
but if there were a God, he'd speak to you by a voice that you
heard inside. I don't know where that came

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from, but you know, I'm back with it anyway.
Fast forward to college. You know, I become agnostic just
so as not to fight with. And you know, my, my, my
fraternity brothers, I had to take a, a liberal arts course to

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go with my mathematics and economic studies.
I took religion. And the first day I asked
Reverend Abernathy, who was teaching the course, to excuse
me, Reverend Abernathy, if I failed this course, do I go to
hell? You know it was.
Smart ass even as a kid. Right.
Yeah, it was a wise ass anyway. Yeah, Yeah.

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So Fast forward to my mid 30s, all right, my my sister's
husband dies and she is distraught as we all are the
beautiful, beautiful young man. And she gets involved with

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Siddha yoga as an A chance to just find some peace and
meditation and so on. And Guru Mai, this would be for
Guru Mai, this was Baba Buktananda.
Guru Mai was his assistant at the time, but she then took over

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for him. Pardon me.
So my mother, you know, says to me, will you find out what your
sister is doing? You know, she recognizes that
she needs some, you know, support.
But what is this yoga stuff? So my sister sends me a book on

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meditation by Baba Muktananda. I'm a smart kid, all right?
I try the meditation. Damn, it's fun.
It works, you know? I just sat there and boy, this
crazy world out there just kind of disappears for a while.

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You can go find inside wherever that is you know.
Many. Worlds So one night, all right,
I mean my, I mean my 30 late 3037.
As a matter of fact, I'm sittingbefore going to bed.
I, I, I, I'm too awake thinking of all the things that I've got

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to do the next day. So I just want to calm down.
So I go to meditate and I sit there and I put a candle in
front of me with the candle flame going and I back and
forth. I'm looking at just trying to
relax and for some reason I let all the air out and keep it up.

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I don't know why I did it. It just felt right.
And suddenly I'm above my head, underneath the ceiling, looking
down at the top of my head. Oh my God, if this is me up
here, who's that down there? Or if that's me down there, who
lives up here? I'd taken a gulp in air.

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I'm back in my body and I think,wow, that was fun, wasn't it it?
Was the thought the thinking that brought you back into your
body too? It was it was the inhaling of
the air. Yeah.
OK, All right. Or at least that's my that was
my take on sure that. So I said, wow, you know, this

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was so cool to be outside of my body.
I'd like to try this again, and maybe if I hold the air out even
longer, I'll be able to stay outside of my body even longer
and have more experiences. By the way, while I was outside

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there, I was hearing sounds, tones, you know, the music of
the spheres of you know, right God.
The Hindus call it the one form of it, the Shabda, right?
The sound current. It was incredible.
Yeah. So one, one other thing had

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happened. This is really, really weird.
But my wife's sister's husband had died also another young man.
And she gave gave me the book this this book very classic

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book. Life Afterlife by Raymond Moody.
I had a conversation with him years ago.
Beautiful man, wonderful, wonderful.
And I had read that, you know, and reading about all these
people who had gone through tunnels into lights while they

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were in an operating room or underneath the ceiling, you
know, looking down at themselves, they couldn't have
been, it couldn't have been made-up.
I mean, these people with different ethnicity from around
the world, different languages, clearly they each were
experiencing this. This wasn't some made-up stuff.
So I compared that with what I've been reading about from,

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you know, Baba Muktananda and the, you know, and his
meditation thing about the innerlife.
And I thought, what if mind and body really are separate?
And it was the only leap of faith I ever took, in effect.
All right, just that. But it's not.
So he was sort of, as I go get it back now.

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He was sort of like walking up aseesaw when you get to the
middle, just the slightest tilt can make it go in the other
direction, right. So anyway, here I had, I had
been underneath in the ceiling on top of my head looking down
and I want to do it again. And I said, well, as soon as I

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get the opportunity. Well the following weekend,
April 16th 1978, I remember the day like it was the day I was
born, which as it turns out it was.
My wife and daughter are out shopping, my 9 year old son is

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playing in his room and I decideI'm going to try what I did the
other night. I'm going to meditate and I'm
going to wet the air out and I'mnot going to breathe in until I
separate from my body. I'm just going to hold it out

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there. I did not do anything stupid
like put, you know, tape over mymouth or nose.
I I'm not that, you know, Nutsy,you know, I knew that if I, you
know, blacked out well. If you're able to do that and be
conscious control, then there really is some safety there.

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Yeah, right. Because you're in charge.
I was in charge or whatever was in charge with.
Yeah, yeah. If I was, if I blacked out, the
body would take over. That I knew, right.
So I, I'm lying on my bed, on myarms, right?
It is, you know, looking at the headboard, all right.

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And in, out. And I let all the air out and I
say to myself, I am not going tobreathe in again until I
separate from my body and the clock goes around once one
minute and I have no more air inmy lungs.

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Clock goes around a second time.Nothing.
I'm beginning to now feel some pain.
I feel like I'm my body is shaking like it's going through
an earthquake. And then I feel like I'm
drowning in a flood, and then I feel like I'm burning up on a
fire. I later learned that these,

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according to the Tibetan Book ofthe Dead, these are the fur
three steps in dying separation from the earth element, the
water element, and the fire element.
I was already separated from theair element, right?
The only thing connecting me to my body was the ether element,

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which sounds pretty nebulous to me though.
Anyway, it was. It went around 2 minutes, 2
minutes 45 seconds. As it approached 3 minutes.
I'm shaking on the bed. I see a little light.
I see on the top of my head and it starts getting bigger and I

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think, Oh my gosh, this is what the people in life afterlife
described as going through the tunnel.
And I think, Oh my God, I'm dying.
No, God will not let me die while I'm searching for him.
And I'm thinking, what? What did I just say?

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That's ridiculous anyway. You find out there really is no
death, right? Duh.
Well, it gets bigger and bigger.I still am.
I am I conscious or am I not conscious or I'm not breathing?
I'm still not breathing. So I must be conscious because
if I were unconscious, the body would be.
And I refuse to breathe. I refuse to breathe.

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It is those thoughts flood you. In such rapid succession.
Absolutely. And I go through that econo
tunnel into the light, the brightest light I could ever

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imagine. Unbelievable.
Oh my. Gosh.
An amazing thing I've my body starts whooping around like an
epileptic fit. Which makes sense because my
mother and uncle both had their first epileptic fits in their

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late 30s and I was now 37 while this was happening.
I roll off the bed, however, andoh, and I I do suck in an air.
Some air. At that time I realize that, you
know, this is an unbelievable experience.

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Inside. I am so peaceful.
The body is flaring about like crazy, but I have never felt
more peaceful in my life. I feel other dimensions.
I feel a reality that I never would have believed existed

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except now I'm experiencing. Now you're experiencing, So what
are you going to do? You lie to yourself.
I don't. Think so?
Well, so many people do, you know, at this point, I'm rolling
around on the floor like this. My, my wife comes in the room
absolutely panicked. She had driven up from coming
home from shopping. My son, in order to keep her

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from panicking, runs out to the car.
He has hooked in the room and seen me like this.
And he runs out the car to tell her, Daddy's not dead.
Daddy's not dead, all right? Strange phrase, but totally
appropriate I guess, right? Fortunately, by the way, she
she, she called up somebody to help.

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She didn't call 911. She was very, very smart.
She called a friend of ours, very spiritual person whose name
by the way, was Shepherd. So I thought that would kind of
kind of work. Anyway, is it interesting how
those synchronistic names come up?
But it's throughout. I don't think is so there are no
coincidences, no world is all synchronicity.

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But anyway, when I could finallyfinally, you know, control my
body when it kind came down, thefirst thing that happened.
I'm on the floor on my knees, myhands like this.
My first words were I am reborn.I am reborn in God.

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And I was so embarrassed to hearme say that because after 37
years of being a yeah. Yeah, I, I can, I can relate
because that's when the outer world programming comes in and
they're like, what the hell are you talking about?

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Right. And yet it's the truth, because
you. My life went like this 2
completely different shapes, completely different direction.
I cannot tell you, you know the the difference that that it

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made, I began. Well, you can sure try and
you're doing a great job. Well, thank you.
I, you know, while I was still in this state, you know, I was
able to go in. If I lean my head one way, I was
in the room. If I lean my head the other way,
I went back into outer space andsaw the planet from a distance.

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So you were like attenuating based on your the the the angle
of your antenna, right? Whatever I I never, I never, you
know, tried to strain it. It just happened.
But the farther I went back, I get it went back Earth became a
yin Yang symbol and I suddenly realized that everything is

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balanced. It's perfectly balanced and you
know, we can get into that, you know, you know, right later too,
about, you know, the balance of different types of valid, but
all of it. And it completely changed my
life, which and that's what got me out.
I, I out to California, to the California Institute of Integral

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Studies. You know, several, several years
later, it got me to write my first book, Letters to a Dying
Friend. You know which by the way, I
gave, I gave a, an early manuscript.
I went to the to see the Dalai Lama speak at A at a conference

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in New Jersey. I was living in the East Coast
at the time. And I brought out some of the
manuscript that I was writing and gave it on the offering
table. You know, when you always do
that along with some, some wooden sticks to represent the
cellar. The student, he wrote back an
introduction to the book, never even asked for it.

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But the Dalai Lama wrote an introduction to my book.
How unbelievable. Amazing.
So amazing the way things work out anyway.
Oh, yeah, yeah. That's how I, you know, I.
You were talking about, you know, going different
directions. I'd like to roll back just a
little bit to talk about the when your dad was talking to you
about the son, you know how we used to think of the.

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Grandfather, right? Right.
Or your grandfather. So the one of the experiences I
had, I've been on the questions,you know, we haven't really on
deep here not my intention because this is mostly about
you, right? There is a shared experience
there, the. It's about us, ma'am.
There's only one of us here anyway.

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You. True.
And we're just, we're filling inthat those separate of gaps,
right? But yeah, and this, by the way,
is I think the thing that makes it so exciting and why people
watching this get so much pleasure and value from it is
that we each do this in our own unique way.

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But ultimately the experience isthe same.
And the one right there is the one of us here, so.
Absolutely. Absolutely.
And it's a paradox too, right? So I've got several.
The one's purple, right? Favorite shoes.

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Anyway, the I had questions about.
Yeah, yeah, The Trinity, right? It's ubiquitous, but where did
it come from, right? How the heck did we get it?
And so during one of these William Schweigard technique
things that I was going through is called the multi level
awareness. This one gives you the ability

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to go inside and examine the Akashic records, your chakras,
your guides, all those kinds of things.
So I got hijacked by my guide, who I'd met as a teen in
college, shortly after my awakening, and his name was
Zephyr. And he shows up, waves to me,
says come. And so I'm right inside looking.

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And so I'd leave my body. We're traveling through the
universe and we see stars to begin with, and then blackness.
And then all of a sudden we're at this.
Now I'm talking with him the whole time, wondering where
we're going. And basically it ended up being
a refresher of the things that had been happening for the years
that I hadn't seen him, which had been several.

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And so it was kind of a check in.
And so we reached this solar system and I feel like Ellie
coming out of the tunnel, right,and the wormhole and she's got
tears streaming down her face because this is just an amazing,
awe inspiring vision here. But it wasn't a vision.

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I'm seeing it. And there were three Suns with
about a dozen small planets in aplanar orbit around them, and
they were probably 100th the size of the spheres.
And I'm just in awe looking at this and in silence at that
point. And then there's several voices

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as one that say we are not only your forefathers, we are also
the forefathers of your solar system.
And I want to ask questions. What, what do you mean?
Right. And Zephyr says, Nope, that's
it. You've got all you need, you'll
figure it out. And so back we came.

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Now interesting fact about this,there was a facilitator sitting
next to me during this whole process and the the training was
being able to witness or experience and also maintain a
verbal connection with the facilitator.
So he's asking questions and I'mgiving feedback as to what's

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going on. Well it took 8 minutes to get
there and 8 minutes to get back.Now I don't know what speed we
traveled at however I was querying OK, what's the speed of
thought? And the only reference I've ever
found to that is in the Urantia book, and it says it's 841

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trillion miles per second. So right, What are you going to
do with that? Except you go, wow, you know,
it's almost incomprehensible. Yet here is that journey to that
distant center of the universe, if you will, that took 8 minutes
at that speed. So when I came back on the way,

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I recognize, OK, so the Trinity that shows up, that's a macro,
the micro proton, electron neutron.
OK, what doesn't fit hydrogen? There's only the proton and the
the neutron. And so where's hydrogen?
Oh, it's the most plentiful gas,powers the sun and is also the
bonding agent for DNA. Oh, wow.

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Is it possible that consciousness, what we know to
be the godness of us actually istransmitted through that
tertiary leg, invisible leg thathydrogen provides?
And then there was a quite a biologist in New Zealand
recently I spoke with and he said, Oh yeah, yeah, there's a

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in one of the rings of the proton is the cause of proton
tunneling. He said it releases light and
this is that formation. So this is still like brand new
stuff. Don't understand it.
And yet here's that experience that goes, it makes you wonder,
right? It's like, OK, how did that
happen? Well, it's, it's it's amazing.

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You say this is brand new stuff and it's not brand new in stuff
that, oh, this stuff never existed before and now it does.
It's a case of, hey humanity, you were.
Unaware of that, we're just now discovering.
And now you're discovering that all the stuff really is.

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Excuse me while I take a sip of coffin.
Sure, sure. I remember right after.
I mean, this is early on, maybe a couple weeks after that
experience that I told you about, sitting on my sofa at
home crying my eyes out. And Lord, Lord, why did I have

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to wait this long to find out that you were real?
That there is. And the voice in my head said,
hey, you have now stood on both sides of the river.
How could you have shared with anyone who didn't believe if you

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had started by believing, by understanding?
So it is I'm, I'm aware of the fact that, you know, we learn
things as we go along, right? We test the idea that we think
is that's right. Absolutely, Absolutely it is.

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And it loves to be tested. That's what it's there for.
It's our obligation, if you will, right?
Well, that's why, for example, in in in my book, in, in in the
handbook. All right, The one that I just
that I just did that. It has games and exercises for

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people to experiment and experience for themselves.
You don't have to be a believer.That's the whole point that if.
You. That's the science behind.
It, it's the science behind it exactly.
And it's the experience. And I, I think I mentioned I'm a
phenomenologist, which is phenomenologist.

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I love that terminology. Yeah, it took me so long to
learn how to spell it. Phenomenology too long a word.
But what it means is the the science of experiential reality.
I'll give you an example of, youknow how I know, but that my
life was building in this direction, all right?

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And this is something that I think your viewers are going to
realize. Absolutely, because it's all
about bread crumbs. We just don't necessarily see
them. And in their life, they'll find
little things of experience thatgo on back in college, back in
college. All right, I'm walking down the

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the street one day and it says five $5 psychology department
studies come and it's a bunch of, you know, doctoral students
who who got feces going, who need to have some data for
their, for their dissertation, right?

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You take all the tests you do and then the very last room I
walk in, there are 5 booths set up with a panel in front of them
with a red light, green light and buttons.
Underneath the red and green light in the corner there's like
a glass phone booth. Remember the old days?
The phone booth, glass phone booth, guy in there with a lab

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coat on looks like the professor.
There are five of these booth, four other students in there.
And the guy said, oh, we have the full amount, we can do the
test now. And he said the test is going to
be, I am going to press a buttonin here and on all five of the
different panels, the light willshow up.

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It will be the same light on each one.
You know, there were boards in between you couldn't see, you
know, And so press the button underneath the light and I'm
going to keep going. It's going to get faster and
faster. Keep going until somebody makes
a mistake and then we're going to stop.
So I get into my into the booth and boom, boom, put red.

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I push the red button, green, the green button back and forth
back, but suddenly beep, Somebody pushed the wrong
button. And the guy in the end says
hoop. Did anybody push red?
I said I pushed red. He said it wasn't red, it was
green. I said, what do you mean mine
was red? He said, no, mine was green.

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He said. And the professor said that that
everybody's was going to be the same.
The girl on this side said mine was green.
I said, I don't care what you'redoing.
Mine was red. All four of them.
He says, hey, the guy in the endsaid, what's the matter?
You, you screwed this up for everybody.
I said, what do you call him? Are you calling me a lot you

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want and we started. Oh, there's the experiment.
Each other right on I'm we're heading towards each other and
I'm really seeing red now right and I suddenly feel my grab.
It's the professor out of the booth.
He says stops to hold a hold on.You were right.
You were right. You were right.
It was red. This was not an experiment on

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how fast you can push a button. It was how well you stand up to
peer pressure. You did very well young man here
take this chick and go out and get your $5.
You're you're done for this. Oh, I was so pissed and I forgot
about that until my experience that I told you about when

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people said oh, you're making that up.
I am not making that up. I, I experienced it.
And then I remembered this study.
You have experienced it when I wrote my first book, this
Letters to a Dying Friend, All right.
And I was on, I was interviewed as we're doing here, and people

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would sometimes call in and theywould say I had an experience
like that too, but everybody told me it wasn't real.
So I forgot about it, you know? And that's the point, right?
What you experience is true for you.

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Sure. Not what someone tells you it
should be, and certainly not what someone tells you you
experienced. And to stand up for your truth,
you know, you know, I both I think mine was a little worse
and and you know, the the belieffactor and the crazy factor
enemy in the institution for a while, right.

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And and diagnosis of manic depressive, paranoid
schizophrenic. No symptoms of that whatsoever.
I'm just trying to get them. Don't listen to me right?
Right. Just to help me understand what
the hell I just went through. Well instead they decided to
diagnose me from the DSM four and put me on 2000 micrograms of
Thorazine a day. Well what's that do nothing to

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me? I was up playing ping pong,
beating male nurses right? Showing them up in the corner.
They couldn't figure it out. Well, it wasn't until I said I
thought to myself, OK, what do Ineed to do to get out of this
place? And it occurred to me, well, I
need to tell the doc what he wants to hear, right?
Not my truth. And so you wait, which is so

(36:44):
unfair. Absolutely.
So, and this is one of the things that is changing in the
new reality that you are helpingbring to the world, namely yes.
Yeah, because here I am, 3540 years later, 40.
Oh my God, 50 years later then. That is such a minimal time in

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the in in the growth of a human species 50 years meaning.
Oh yeah, it's a blink of nine. Yeah, absolutely.
But it's we're going in that direction.
That's that's the key, that's the key.
And every little bit I remember also thinking that, you know,
whatever, and this is to ethic as a young man, I remember

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thinking I'm going to be doing many, many things in my life,
but the one that the later in life I do it, the more important
it is. I think that sharing this world,
I've had United States patents, I've had a business, I've

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performed professionally as a professional singer, I've done a
lot of of things that have been pure fun and enjoyment, which by
the way is another. Yeah.
As to whether you're doing it right.
Drum kit in our formal dining room that I play on a couple of
times a week. There you go.
There you go. It's, it's, it's just, you know,

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phenomenal. You do what you want.
It's part of the. Phenomenology.
That's right. The you know, as I always say,
God did not create the universe because his mother said will you
get up off the couch and do something right, right.
He did it or it did it because sure, you know, this has brought

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something up to to me. You.
Remember the Guy Ballard books, right?
Godfrey Ray King, several seriesof teaching the Ascended Masters
basically and started out with the Unveiled Mysteries was the
first one about his Guy Ballard's relationship with an
Ascended Master known as Saint Germain.
Well, in all of those books there was one reference to a guy

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named Sanat Kamara who's supposedly A planetary Logos,
and in order to gain that office, he had to Incarnate 1000
times simultaneously. And then bring that.
Back in order to understand how to fulfill that office stole.

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Take that and. Exponentiate it with this
formless consciousness wanting to experience the reality it
created in so many different ways.
Is that how boring? It would be if we were all the
same, absolutely. Absolutely.
I mean, it's a joy. Well, be nice if we could be
just a. Little bit the same, right?

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If we could figure out how to beplanetary citizens and live and
work together in peace and harmony, that's our next step in
my opinion. And this is.
Let me tell this I, I tell I I've come up with this.
What if there were eyes on the ends of the fingers and they.
Looked out and they saw. The thumb and they said you

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stupid thumb coming from all theway over there.
Why are you opposing us? And they?
Scratched it and the thumb got infected and the infection went
back up into the fingers. Would the fingers have attacked
the thumb if they knew they wereall connected and attacking this

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would hurt them? I don't think so.
Shouldn't we be as smart as our fingers when we learn that we
are all connected, not visibly on the outside, but on the
inside, where what I do to you, I feel what we do to each other.

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How can any of us not feel the pain and suffering of children
in Gaza? Oh, absolutely.
You know it. Is so, you know, we try to think
our way through a system built on vibration like and as we
understand things now, especially with quantum physics,
it's all vibrations, even urban.I got in conversation with him,

(41:16):
I said, you know, according to quantum physics, we're 99% space
and 1% material. And he says, I would say we are
100% energy, energy, energy. Vibration, right?
We cannot. Think our way through that
because that's a projection and you got to sense our way.
Through it because. That's the body, right?

(41:38):
The body's a transceiver and it has all these kind of
instruments in it that it's we don't know how to tune yet alone
play in concert with we. The the the energy field that is
within beings is existing as strongly.
I mean, there was a time when rocks were the most advanced

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beings on our planet, right? Imagine the, the the, the, the
evolutionary step that occurred when plants showed up.
Holy commode. Wow.
I can turn and face the sun. I can reach for water instead of
just sitting there stoned like astone.

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You know what I mean, right? All right.
Or animals. I don't know, did you inhale?
Depends. Add the stone.
The rock doesn't inhale. It just sits there.
Yeah, yeah, right. You know, and it and everything
happens to the rock, but it has the IT just does not have the
capacity to understand its own universality there.

(42:47):
There would seem to be a certain.
Amount of natural differentiation in what?
We perceive to be the material. World in order for us to
experience its glory for lack ofa better yeah.
Yeah, well, this is this is where.
Quantum physics is is doing something.
It's it, it has raised the issueand raised the point that

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viewing the viewer effects that which is out there.
And there's no question that is there's an interaction between
it and old science. Old material science said it's
out there, I'm here. We are separate.
See the space in between us. Clearly we're not connected.

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All right. But that's no longer what they
understand because we realize that we are inside the energy
field within my body, within your body, within the, you know,
the viewer's body, within the books of the within the rock,
within every, and we're all ableto perceive.
And sense each other in that place.

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And and Tom Campbell twos and and.
The level, the size of the brainyou remember You know how
everybody says how the brain andthe mind are related?
The barger, the brain, the greater the mind.
Absolutely true. But what is not true is the

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concept. That the brain.
Creates the mind. What if, Oh yeah, what if the
size of the brain did not createthe consciousness into the mind,
but opened up the being to a greater amount of consciousness?

(44:44):
That all depending on the curiosity we have.
Right, so. So sure, my mind and brain are
larger than that of a dog, whichis larger than that of a frog,
which is larger than that of a slug.
But it's not that the brain created it, it's just that we
are open to more. And we now, as humans, are at a

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point where we are able to experience and realize the
absolute oneness. And I, you know, and we're set
up that way. Physiologically right, you've
got the in between the hemispheres.
You got the corpus. Callosum and you got the pineal
on the front, the hypothalamus on the back.
Well, the pineal is, is that higher sensing organ, right.

(45:31):
And the hopsalmus is the reptilian, you know, survival
part of that. And then you've got the corpus
callosum. Which is the transceiver?
Between the two hemispheres, that actually merges them into
that oneness. And so, you know, here's that
trifecta again between those 3 organs in the brain that we're
just now trying to, you know, that there's been all this

(45:53):
bifurcation, right, the bipolarism, the right brain,
left brain. This is where Tom Campbell came
in and he's trying to explain, you know, the right brain
thinking to the left brain people.
And so he's got this idea that OK, we're, and I love it because
it, it encapsulates my phrasing of where we put our attention,

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intention and interaction is where we create flow.
And the so as an avatar in Tom'sworld, right, we're an avatar in
a virtual reality. And wherever we put our
attention, that's the data stream that we're now exchanging
with or interacting with. Now, that doesn't eliminate

(46:37):
other data streams that we can move along in fractions of a
second, right? And yet, and we're capable of
doing that because right thoughts 841 trillion miles per
second, right? So if we're able to do this,
that's pretty close to instantaneous I.
Guess you know, Yeah. And so is.

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There that which gives credence to those moments of when you
think something in pure innocence and naivety, it
instantly appears. This, I swear to this, has.
Happened to me with jigsaw puzzle pieces.
I cannot find the piece. And I will say this, here's the

(47:19):
piece missing here. And my wife says, yeah, yeah,
yeah, you're you're doing it again.
And I can sit and I can't find the piece and she'll walk over
and she said, I know the piece is here somewhere and there it
is. I can find it when she shows up.

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I haven't figured that one out. Yeah, because you rely on her.
For assistance You're you 2 are one.
Oh my God, yes. After 62 years of marriage, we
definitely are one. Yeah.
And that's. That that's that Mobius strip,
right, right, right. Oh, it's, it's incredible.

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Then when I when, when I see, you know, I see our age, we no
longer sound like a. Couple of goofballs when you're
younger, right? Because nobody understands this.
Now. We're at the place where, yeah,
we understand this. We live it so we can express it
without any angst or consideration for the naysayers.

(48:25):
I knew many years. Ago, a woman, June Burke, who
was the channel for Julian A Seraphim.
And when June was a little girl,she said she could tell who was

(48:47):
about to call. The phone's going to ring.
It's Aunt Harriet or you know, there are three things in the
mailbox and they're from such and such, you know, and her
mother said, will you stop doingthat?
Father Anthony thinks we're crazy enough already professed

(49:07):
by the devil. Yeah.
But more and more people are beginning to realize that there
is a connection other than the physical that we can see well,
and they find it in fearlessness.

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They find it in fearlessness. Yes, right.
We're told that. In Scripture.
Says, you know, in perfect love there is No Fear.
Well, we are in perfect love. We just separate ourselves from
it, right? And we separate.
We separate. Ourselves from from from each
other. I love the fact that that in

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Scripture in John 14-6 where where where Jesus said, you
know, I am, I am the way he didn't speak English.
I don't want to surprise you there, but he actually didn't
speak English. He spoke Aramaic and in Aramaic
that could be translated as I amis the way the.

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Same way that. Luke 1721 could be you know, the
Kingdom of God is within you. That's where we feel it.
That's where we feel the connection.
But oneness. And when you get into
meditation, deeper and deeper and you leave, you leave the

(50:38):
noisy, messy world outside. And then if you get good at
that, you can leave your thoughts, you know, and then you
can take that wherever you go. Yep, and then you take and.
That's the whole point. You can.
It doesn't take 20 minutes or anhour to sit in meditation to

(50:59):
find that. But once you know that at your
core you are peace and love and comfort and compassion and
caring and joy, you know, once you realize that this is who you
are, you can get back there at any time.
And our core desire. Is simply to love and be loved

(51:20):
to be the one. That we truly are, that we are
not separate leaves. We are one tree.
And if I have different skills than you, great.
One skill I do have is playing table tennis.
You call it ping pong, I call ittable tennis.
Maybe we can do it someday, you know, but you know, but other

(51:45):
than that kind of competition, which is purely for fun,
absolutely, the rest of what we do should not be in competition.
We should use our skills and talents for the good of that.
So there's a. Difference, the collaboration,
even a football field, right? You're there to have fun, play
games and we've taken it to extremes to to where there's a

(52:07):
winner and loser. That's never been the objective.
It's always been about the team and learning how to work with
the team in the dynamics of it so that it's successful as a
team, not as a competitor per SE.
Because that sets up this false front, that of separation,

(52:28):
right, Where you don't just enjoy the game.
You get caught up in that wanting, yeah, you get trolled,
you can get. Caught up and where it really,
really shows up. The worst, I think, is in
capitalism, where we do things not for the good of all, but for

(52:52):
the higher. The money has become our
highest. God.
Right. Well, the agendas we've been.
Running on is pot is profit overpeople and planet, right?
And we're flipping that agenda now to people and planet over
profit doesn't do away with the profit because there still has
to be an exchange and and ways to continue what we're doing

(53:15):
now. What I find is that there
there's this whole misnomer about socialism, right?
And that what socialism essentially does is the excess
is returned to the people, not hoarded in profit, right?
That's really the only difference, of course.

(53:36):
Of course it is, but it's that'snot the way it's publicized by
those who already have the largest amount because they
don't want to give up what? They have and they will fight
and still are fighting. You know, the whole, as we
discovered all the wars were created by the bankers and
manufacturers, right? And just to make money and the

(54:00):
human lives were not considered they they were acceptable
casualties, right, Because it didn't matter because it wasn't
them exactly, exactly if. If if I can make I find it.
I find it fascinating that the United States was founded in
1776, the exact same year as TheWealth of Nations was published.

(54:28):
Adam Smith's book, the very first book on economics, was
published the same year the United States was founded.
They, I think there's some synchronicity there that we,
that we have been created a country that, you know, where
profit, where capitalism is so strong that anything of sharing

(54:52):
with other people becomes a dirty word, you know?
Yeah. And we've got, you know, Russia
doesn't have any. Homeless people, Russia's, the
their educational system is far superior than America's.
I, I wear, I'm married to a Russian wife and she's explained
to me she went through their system.
You know, they start with the assessing kids at five years

(55:12):
old. So what their aptitude,
attitude, skill set and passionsfor right When she chose piano
or she has the choice between piano and gymnastics, she chose
piano. So they took her to clear
through that piano strand and she graduated from one of the
most prestigious music colleges in the world, Mesorski College
and now Petersburg. So in that process, she also had

(55:36):
the the robust education of everything around that, math and
science and all those kinds of things.
Well, we don't nurture our children in America like that.
We put them in the box and we test and we expect them to reach
certain. We teach them to get a job.
We teach them how to get a job. And that's right, thanks to
Dewey and. His one of the one of the

(55:57):
saddest moments. That I had one of those
instantaneous feelings was a couple of years ago.
Oh, couple of years. My God, maybe 30 years ago.
But you know, I don't watch yesterday.
Yeah, yesterday. If something relates, if you
relate to something, it could feel like yesterday, even if it

(56:20):
happened 50 years ago. I can't believe.
Did you plug into that file? That file?
That's an instant. Plug in.
You're there. You're there.
Exactly. The but I was watching the
Morning News and it was a take your daughter to work day and
one of the cameraman had his daughter there.
And the, the announcer, you know, the, the host moderator

(56:45):
asked this little girl and what do you want to do when you grow
up? And she said I want to get a job
in an office so that I can do what I want to do on the
weekends and. I Oh my.
God, you little girl, she's beenprogrammed already to get a job.

(57:15):
Get a job right yeah forget the just over broke what about what
do you. Want to do I want to make music.
I want to dance, I want to grow flowers, I want to no it's do
something so I can do it on the way.
That's what the whole thing is about.
If the universe was created because the Creator felt this

(57:41):
joy and desire to turn waves into particles and see what
would happen, shouldn't that be true for the creations of that
Creator? That we feel within us the
desires of what we enjoy doing, what we want to do, what makes

(58:03):
us feel happy and to then do those.
But not so we can earn as much of this, but just right for the
joy it can bring to everyone else.
So anti this brings up because you and I both.
On the same page and we know this stuff in spades, right?
Because we live it. We live it.
That's, that's the whole point. That's.

(58:24):
The whole you've got to live it to really experience and feel
it. Yeah, yeah.
How do we impart this? How do?
We hold the hands of the youngergenerations and help them
through this transition period. Because right now, I mean, we're
both boomers, right? You're on the, the front end.

(58:45):
I'm on the I'm I'm early in thatI was born 19. 40 So you were at
the end of the transition, Traditionalists I.
Guess whatever. Yeah, I'm.
Still trying to, you know, compartmentalize and frame.
For understanding, right? SO, so we've got this new
generation that is far superior in their ability to say no.

(59:10):
And they're also population wise, the largest since the
boomers. So these guys are going to be in
charge. How do we move them into that
place that promotes this naturalorder as opposed to a
prescriptive one that is in the programming?

(59:33):
How do we do it? Well, one, we live it.
And two, Are you ready? We sell them my book.
I got a few of those and I'm working on my 50th.
Book, yeah, but that, that's, that's the key.
You, you, you let people know that yes, what is What you feel
is what it is. What you experience is what it

(59:56):
is you know, and if you go down deep enough, I, I love
meditation now. I lead groups online, I lead
groups in person. And you leave the noisy world
out there. You get inside your thoughts,
inside your emotions to that place of quiz.

(01:00:16):
And when you realize that I am feels the same now as it did
when you were a kid. It feels the same for for me as
it does for you. There's one of that when you
realize that that is true, then you put it into your life.

(01:00:37):
There's another little story that I that I share, if I may
what if, what if? And you know, these insights
that come, you know the very insights I am the receptor, you
know, for them. You know what if when you were a
child, an infant, you were flying across Australia in an

(01:01:03):
airplane and the airplane crashed and everyone died except
for you now. The the Indigenous people.
Majoria, who were in there, theywould have heard the plane go
across, they would have heard itcrash, they would have gone to
see what happened, and they would have found everyone dead

(01:01:24):
except for this one tiny infant.They wouldn't have left you
there. They would have.
Taken you into their arms, they would have raised you.
You would now and now. You would be the same age, but
your language would be different, your abilities would
be different, your beliefs in oneness would be different.

(01:01:50):
You may not be able to drive a car, but you could probably run
for miles much faster and longerthan you could now.
But still, the feeling I am would still be the same and that
this is a cool thing about you know if.
You're in a quandary. It's one of the things that that

(01:02:13):
I use, you know, put your fingertips together, feel your
heartbeat in them. So you're out of your head, out
of your brain, you're thinking right, You're sensing and then
inhale I and exhale M and it is just amazing as to the
difference. Just a few seconds of doing that

(01:02:35):
can have and you can do it anywhere.
That's right. And you know the fascinating
thing also then? Is that if you get into that
place any? Decision you make is going.
To be so much better if somebodyin your family ticks you off or
the neighbor next door or somebody cuts you off on the

(01:02:59):
highway, we drive and you want to react and use some, you know,
let's go to that place. And now what you?
Do is going to be so much more intelligent, make so much more
sense, and be such a better, better decision in groups, even
if you're in a. A group that a work group at say

(01:03:22):
you're at work, right? And you're in this meeting and
it's going awry. Well, how can you recenter it?
Do that exercise. It will change the energy in the
room because you're permeating that energy to other people.
Oh, absolutely. If you walk around like.
This If you walk around like this, you, you have, you know,

(01:03:43):
the ability to change, you know what's around you.
I'll give you another little story, if I may.
You still, I lived in San Francisco for 30 years.
One day I'm driving down, going,taking the bus downtown and it's
early morning, you know, commuter time.
I'm sitting in one of those sideways seats right behind the

(01:04:03):
driver and it's very crowded andin front.
I didn't have to get up. I'm in my 80s, you know, and the
woman, young woman standing up and she's shaking every time the
bus moves, you know, stops to bed and she can't reach there
did the straps are all taken andshe can't reach the pole in

(01:04:23):
front of her to hold on to. And I look and the guy next to
me, he's got a briefcase on the floor in front of him.
And I realize and I say to him, excuse me, Sir, if you could put
that briefcase on your lap, thisyoung woman over here could take
a little step forward. She could reach that pole and be

(01:04:45):
a lot safer. And he looks at me and he says
like, that's going to solve all the problems of the world.
And I said no, it's not. But it will solve the problem in
this little corner of the world.All right.
He looks to the woman at her, his left, who must have been his

(01:05:07):
wife. She gives him a if you ever want
sex again look better, put it onyour lap.
He picks it up. He puts it on his lap.
The young woman takes a half step forward, grabs the pole.
Our eyes meet. We smile.
She's safer for the ride going off.
That's what we can do. Yeah.

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Little things. Little things.
And. We help and not only.
That, you know, the Tibetans teach that after you die,
there's a, you know, justice holding the scale and you get a
white Pebble for the good thing back for the for the bad.
They say if you do something good, you get a good Pebble, and
if because of what you did, the person you did it to or 4 does

(01:05:53):
something nice, you get another white Pebble even though you
didn't know that they did it. Wow, network marketing.
That's a good, great marketing network.
Exactly. So, you know, it's like you've
dropped the the, the the Pebble in the pool and it sends out
ripples. We do it here.

(01:06:14):
I may not be able to stop the war in Gaza.
I may not be able to stop the war in Ukraine, but I can make
life better here in this little section.
And if the thing about that is Anton and I think.
You'll agree with me 100%. When we reach that critical mass
of people doing that little thing, wars will be gone.

(01:06:37):
That's that. Is that going up the sea?
Star thing that I mentioned, it just makes sense, doesn't it?
It does it. It's the the great.
You know, the, the, the Rupert Sheldrake, you know?
Yeah. Yeah, you know whom you know.
We, when we think alike, when werealize that we are one that

(01:07:02):
will make such a big difference.And I don't have to compete.
I have to live my life in the best way possible.
And what is that? I'll give you one other thing.
You called me in here. You invited me.
You're stuck with me. You got to hear my 3 rules of

(01:07:23):
life. All right.
Ready. Rule 1.
Be happy rule. Two, be kind.
Rule 3. That's it.
If you're happy on the inside, you will be kind.
If you're kind on the outside, what else do you need, right?

(01:07:50):
That's the loving and being loved it.
Starts with self love. Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely. People who feel down on myself.
No, no, no, no, no, no. 70,000 thoughts.
A day? Probably 347.
Eights of them are self deprecating.
Now if you can pause in a moment.
Reflect. On when you're having those

(01:08:11):
thoughts, manage your mind a little bit better.
Just stop thinking for a moment and then supplant that for the
in breath I and the out breath Mand just hit the pause button.
That's right, the rest your connected self will take over
from there, right? And your connected self exists

(01:08:36):
at all times. It's just that the other is so
noisy. The crazy world outside the
thoughts, you know? The 12 step approach is a
beautiful way to separate from your thoughts.
You know, to I, I, I, you know Iam not an alcoholic, I have a

(01:08:59):
problem however raised, you know, to separate from your
emotions. These things are constantly
changing, but the one thing thathas never changed in your entire
life is I am. And it has no characteristics

(01:09:20):
other than its self, the feelingof being and the feeling now
that's the God participle that day I even.
I wrote a book. The God participle, which is
being It's me, just me and and when, When I be, then I'd be me,

(01:09:42):
I'd be you. I'd be all living things.
I'd be Mother Earth. I'd be the universe.
I'd be. That's another factor.
Mother Earth, right where? Do we get all of our sustenance
from it Comes from Mother Earth.So what are we from that
perspective? We are Mother Earth embodied in

(01:10:07):
a consciousness, exactly the kind the consciousness was.
It was. Was in Earth to begin with, you
know, so we are just little things that have grown up, you
know, from grown, you know, little plants, little beings.
I don't know if we've grown up yet.
Well, no, we have. We're still we're still in the
in. Seed form, you know, but but

(01:10:29):
someday, someday hopefully, and the direction that you're going,
the direction that you know, I'mtrying to go, that we're all
working on, this is the future. If it isn't the future, then I'd
hate to think you know what the future will be.

(01:10:50):
May show up at another planet somewhere else.
But look at it as as yes, we do have a choice.
We can annihilate ourselves, right?
Or we can adhere to natural order, which is an evolutionary
process that we're engaged in and.
It has that natural. Dynamics, right?

(01:11:11):
You're moving up the levels to that unity consciousness where
we act and play and work as one.And then maybe we'll get to, you
know, like my book 0 to one thatbased on Cartesian scale, right?
When we can get to a type 1 civilization where we're using
the planet's energy to sustain ourselves, well, that would kind

(01:11:32):
of lead to that consciousness ofoneness.
That's right. I mean, no other.
No other. Species is screwing up the
planet. I can't think of another species
that's putting plastic in the oceans, putting fumes, gases in
the atmosphere, you know, doing all of this stuff that that we

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made a mess and we can clean it up.
Because we have that capability.You got the capability to make
the mess, you got the capabilityof cleaning it up.
That's true. Do we have the?
Desire to clean it up. There it is, the point.
And I think that's a growing desire.
As the same with the consciousness, right, That we're
looking at, OK, how do we be good humans, right?

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You can, you can tell. That, you know, if you're in a
car and that it's accelerating very rapidly, you know, do I
still have time to put the brakeon?
Before I go over. The Cliff you know, if you get
too. Close.
You know, if it becomes too late, then it's a problem.

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We have to recognize that, you know, we, we still can control
it. We still can valuable because
look at the acceleration rate with.
The, the learning and development that's happening
with AI, right? It just escalated.
We we were concerned about the information curve going almost
straight up Now we're looping right?

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Do you realize you? Realize that when we were
growing up, we knew that seeing is believing, right?
We were taught that, right? That's no longer true.
I can see, you know, somebody saying something that they never

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said, that some they, I saw an image of Doctor, Doctor King
doing a making a comment on something that occurred after he
had died. Obviously he had never said it,
but it was his image and his voice.

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How can we believe what we see anymore?
Yeah, well, and. And you've got.
You know, I remember several years ago, what was that rap
artist that they did a holographic projection of him
for a concert after he'd been shot.

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And and killed oh, oh, oh, oh. 02/2 pair.
Tupac, right? Yeah.
Tupac Tupac his maybe it was a three POC right at that point
what he but that technology we we can falsify so many things

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and one of the things that Howard Bloom put out in Lucifer
principle had an interesting conversation with him that of
course, I I didn't get recorded.I just got deep quick.
He speaks of how a few people have manipulated entire
populations through telling liesthrough a controlled media

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stream and getting people to believe that they're true.
Don't you find it fascinating tojust to to?
Build on that that a couple months ago, the entire editorial
staff of The Washington Post wanted to write a particular op

(01:15:12):
op-ed peace. op-ed peace. Yeah, And one person, Jeff
Bezos, said I don't want it. And so it was.
Not done. One person, but he happens to
own the Washington Post, right? That's not freedom.

(01:15:33):
That's not freedom, exactly. We have to.
It's interesting. I had a an insight as you were
speaking here that this growth of AI is actually part.
Of the whole. Problem.
But it's also going to be part of the answer because we have to

(01:15:56):
accept and to recognize that it is paradox of life, right, It
may seem. To be bipolar and yet those two,
it's like we have to launch, we have to.
Want to go in One Direction? It can go either way.

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We are constantly at a fork in the road.
Well, if we consider it like theHasidic tradition, you got the
70. Names of God, right?
36th grader, 36th lesser. Well we see them as angels and
demons, but what in fact is happening is 1 delivers the
message and the other one tested.
Oh, I like that. They're both.

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Moving us toward the one that's.The the paradox put into the.
One right, right and essentiallybecomes a Mobius strip.
Right, Either side is all the same.
That's right. Right.
Evolution will will continue. You know, thinking of

(01:17:02):
continuing, man, we have just another.
Jet we had. A wonderful.
Conversation that flew by. How long have we been doing
this? Now we've been.
Over an hour. Which is not uncommon.
You know, we could talk for hours, I'm sure.
I think I and we've eaten weeks.We've eaten, knocked off our our

(01:17:25):
cup of coffee, and here's to you, my friend.
And back at you. I really thank you.
Anton, this has been a wonderful.
Conversation and I do hope that it continues offline and and who
knows where this has been a really pleasurable conversation

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for me edifying my own life as well as your own and that's
really what it's about right right.
It's nice to know that there. Are other people who are with
you that we're in this, we're, we're heading the same
direction. We can, we can hold, hold hands,

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spiritual hands, knowing that we're moving in that direction.
And the more people, as you say,when the tipping point is
reached, then the entire, the entire species will evolve.
And that's the goal. And I got the sense it's closer
than what we might think. I hope you're right, I believe.

(01:18:34):
Well, but you have to. Believe it.
It's where you what you believe.If you're heading to the
mountaintop, look at the mountain.
You're right where you where youwant to go, that's where you
should focus. I think it was Napoleon that
said whatever the mind of man can think and.
Believe it can achieve and how true a statement absolutely

(01:18:58):
right. Well, thank you.
Very much for the honor of hanging out with, with, with me.
I thank you. I appreciate it.
And it's been fun hanging out with you.
Yeah. A couple of peas in a pod,
right? There you go.
And we'll catch you again, I'm sure sometime.
Maybe even over the ping pong table.
That could be true. Very good.

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