Ep 219 Exploring ETs, Angels, and Consciousness with John Milor

Ep 219 One World in a New World with John Milor

❓ Episode Questions

Are biblical “angels” and “demons” actually multidimensional beings or extraterrestrials?

Is humanity preparing for open contact — and are we ready for it?

How do personal spiritual encounters shape our understanding of God and reality?

What is the real meaning behind the “new world order” and Revelation symbolism?

Are we evolving toward unity consciousness despite global fear and division?

In this apocalyptic (uncovering) conversation, Zen Benefiel sits down with author and Christian Ufology pioneer John Milor for one of the most expansive, provocative, and consciousness-stretching episodes yet.

From childhood encounters with entities, to near-death-like experiences, to glowing orbs in the Panamanian jungle, John brings decades of inquiry into the connection between UFOs, angels, biblical prophecy, and higher consciousness.

But this isn’t just a conversation about extraterrestrials… it’s about the evolution of humanity, the nature of God, free will, spiritual discernment, vibrational reality, and what it means to awaken in a universe far more interconnected — and conscious — than we’ve been taught.

If you’ve ever wondered about angels, demons, ETs, prophecy, the Trinity, the “new world order,” or the deeper structure of reality… this is the episode you’ve been waiting for.

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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Namaste in in lockets and welcome to this episode of One
World in a New World. I'm your host, Zen Benefiel.
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(00:21):
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I guarantee you it will soothe your soul and give you some
insight as to what can be. So this week's guest is John
Myler. He is an American author with 13
books to date, including Christian Ufology, The Strong

(00:44):
Delusion, and Aliens in the Bible.
So you can imagine what we're going to be talking about today.
He's a public speaker, combat veteran and retired senior
enlisted cyber operations leaderwho's become known for
pioneering what he calls Christian Ufology, an attempt to
interpret UFOs and extraterrestrial phenomena

(01:05):
through biblical references. He worked in cyber operations
for the Air National Guard for 25 years.
So he's got both boots on the ground.
And he left military service when the vaccines became
mandated during COVID. So this is going to be really

(01:25):
interesting. Stay tuned.
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John, it's great to have you here.
You know, when I first saw your image I really felt like I

(02:08):
already knew you. And maybe we do from wherever we
travel in our off time if you will.
So glad to have you here. Thanks for having me on your
show. You know, it's interesting how
these experiences, inner experiences that we don't really

(02:28):
know how to explain, and the outer reflections of them, we're
bereft of bridging the two, which is what One World in a new
World is about, is uncovering knowledge, the apocalypse,
right? The apocalyptic chats so that we
can share what's going on inside, make it relevant, and

(02:50):
then also share with the audience so that they don't feel
so weird, crazy, insane like other people might think.
And have the solace that yeah, there are others like you out
there. So thanks for being here and and
sharing your story too. Speaking of you grew up with a a

(03:11):
really cool experience that is not quite Jesus like, but you
learn how to be a Carpenter really young, right?
Your your dad wasn't building trades.
And how did that in those times,did that give you some moments
of contemplation that you we're able to have an experience of

(03:34):
the interconnectedness beyond what the outer world was about
at that time? I suppose framing houses can
have moments of kind of wax on, wax off, you know, Except it's
more like weightlifting. Sure.
So. You're standing, you're
balancing on the top of a wall, you know, and lifting up a

(03:59):
rafter like this and handing it to the person at the top and
then having to nail it in place.And it's like, OK, that was very
hard. I have 150 more of those to do,
you know, And during times like that, you know, my mind would
wander onto different things. But that's just generally me.

(04:22):
I I would always. Be.
Off the road and beyond? Yes, off.
The road And in your daily life,did you have anything in in your
childhood that gave you an indication that there was much
more to life than what you knew at the time?
Yes. So I would say my first

(04:42):
experiences that I really remember clearly go back to
being about 5 years old. So I had seen demons as a child.
We had some unsavory people visiting our house 1 evening and
for some reason one of them stayed the night.

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I do remember, I think that thatwas the reason why they were in
the house that particular night.But I woke up in the middle of
the night and I saw these greenish little things that were
about two feet long, 2 to 3 feetlong.
They were semi transparent. They had black eyes and black
mouth and the room was swarming with them and when they noticed

(05:24):
I was awake, they swarmed up into my face and they projected
intense fear and terror and. Can I ask you a question?
Was that their protect? Was that their projection or
your response to an unknown being presented to you?
I believe that was their projection.

(05:46):
I and I believe that they were. They were filled with hate and
rage and they wanted to see me filled with terror because the
second they saw me respond in fear, they all swarmed on me and
it was utterly terrible. The reason I ask a question is
that, you know, I've had the experiences like that myself,

(06:06):
and I find that our general experience of the unknown is one
of fight or flight, right? And response is is normal even
to good beings. You'll you'll see that in the
Bible. Well, the.
Vibrations are so high that you,it's like getting smacked with a
freight train, right? Either you have to rise to the

(06:29):
occasion or you fall into fear. And when you rise to the
occasion, there's this unconditional love sensation
that's beyond anything that you can imagine.
So I I've encountered things on both spectrums, you know, that
that thing was just clearly bad.When I was 21 I had my vision

(06:55):
where Jesus came to me in a dream and and then I had
different things happen to me after that tell.
Me what that was like, because II've had him appear to me to the
point of appearing to me and other people saw him too.
Wow. Yeah, he he was invisible in the

(07:17):
dream. Except in your head.
In the dream, I didn't know it was him.
OK, he came to me in a helicopter.
So that was personal to me because in the Army I had, there
was a traumatic event that happened where I had to was in a
convoy and me and a group of people had to report to a
helicopter trash and and deal with the mess, which you know,

(07:41):
when somebody jumps out of a helicopter, not the right thing
to do. You're supposed to write it down
for obvious reasons. Blades do things.
So and I had many Blackhawk rides in the Army.
So for me, this was kind of likehis his chosen medium that he

(08:02):
came to visit. I was with a friend.
Yes, I was with a friend and we were in this really, really bad
neighborhood in the dream and wewere scared and we ended up in
in this compound that was like run by the cartel.
People stand around with guns and stuff and it was really
scary and and we were just wanted to get out of this place
and it was symbolic of where I was in my life at that time.

(08:24):
It was sure dreams always are addictions and and just a mess.
This was my lowest point and this helicopter came in and
landed and the door open and thevoice said get in.
We didn't ask questions. We just wanted out of there.
So we just jumped in and this helicopter flies away and he

(08:46):
starts doing all of these manic maneuvers.
There's a mountain and we're going straight toward the
mountain. Then it dive bombs and shoots
into a tunnel. Of course, you, you don't want
to fly in a tunnel with a helicopter.
And we're me and my friend were screaming when he comes out of
the tunnel, there's some power lines right there.

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And, and that was the personal connection with me because I was
that that's what down the helicopter.
There was a, a news reporter guyon a skiff with his camera and
he kept telling the chopper pilot to go down lower and he
ended up getting hit. He hit some lines and the
brought the helicopter down. Well this helicopter pilot in my

(09:31):
dream went under the power linesand instead of just going under
and being free of them, he did aflip around them and then he
went up into the sky and me and my friend are just screaming and
screaming and screaming and and finally it settles down.
You know this really manic, insane take off and introduction

(09:58):
and the sun just comes up, right?
All of this happened pre dawn and now the sun's coming up and
we could see we're over this vast plain of wheat and this
golden amber light is shining into the cab and this.
Feels really soothing. He's in euphoria, starts filling
me and my friend and we're like,wow, man, this is more like it,

(10:21):
you know, and. There is light at the end of the
tunnel. And I'm thinking, who is this
crazy pilot, right? And I and I lean forward and the
seat is indented and the controls are moving, but pilot's
invisible. And I'm just so puzzled.
And I sit back and I say to my friend, the pilot's invisible.

(10:43):
I can't see them. My friend is we're we're just
puzzled right? And the helicopter comes back
down and it lands and we're in the same place.
The door opens it says get out. So me and my friend jump out and
then the voice says to my friendyou get back in.

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So my friend got back in, door shuts, he flies away.
I look around and there's all these dead bodies and expended
cartridges on the ground. It was a huge firefight.
Apparently we were taken out of there right before something
huge went down. And I was like, still scared,
'cause it's the same place. I'm like, where can I get out of

(11:25):
here? And the gate was open.
This is big gate where you coulddrive through in it.
I just pepodaciously walked toward the gate and walked
through it and walked out and down the street and I was free
of this place. And the further I got away, the
lighter I felt. And then I woke up.
And at first, I didn't remember all the elements of the dream.
I just felt really good. And.

(11:47):
And I was like, ah, wow, something significant happened.
What? What was that?
And so I started recalling the dream.
And when I got to the part aboutthe pilot, I was like, oh, yeah,
that was really weird. The pilot was invisible.
Who was that pilot? And I'm just talking to myself,
sitting there in the bed. Speaking of the invisible hand,

(12:09):
right? I heard the name Jesus spoke
audibly in my ear and he was so real and so profound.
This this chills shot through mybody from head to toe and all
this love just immediately followed exactly.
And and that was my point earlier, right?
Yes, something about his name carried that power that I mean,

(12:31):
I've heard Jesus name many timesin my life up to then.
My grandmother, my great grandmother was very Pentecostal
and and I stayed at her house, me and my brother stayed at her
house when we were little kids. And so we had these seeds of
faith planted at a young age. But hearing the name Jesus from
this context or from a podium oror whatever was different.

(12:54):
From an automatic release of allthe fear and angst and suffering
that you have in the moment. When he says his name, you know
that it's him. There's no denying it.
He cuts through all of the communication barrier.
He has backdoor access to our consciousness, to our spirit.
So it's just like he says his name.

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And with that came all this love.
And you know, I fell out of the bed and I started crying.
I'm like, wow, what's happening to me?
So I became a born again believer there on that day when
I was 21, I would have said I was Christian before, but you
know, when I read the Bible in in the way I live my life, it

(13:36):
was not, you know, it was I mademy.
Well, you got to consider, let'stake a moment and just reflect
on how the Bible got put together originally.
That was under the Emperor Constantine, right?
So he bridged church and state with the threat of if you don't
believe, you will die. And, you know, how do you

(14:00):
rationalize creating something that initially completely
dismisses women and makes them less than right with the atom's
rib, right? So here's the story that

(14:21):
immediately puts women down. It can be taken that way it has.
Been a patriarchal, well, I understand, but looking at the
entire picture and and the pieces through it, it's not just
taking one thing and putting it taking out of context.
This was a way that the patriarchy of the time put

(14:44):
things together to manipulate populations and control them.
And this is what Howard Bloom gets into in his book The
Lucifer Principle has nothing todo with Lucifer, but it has to
do with small groups of people manipulating masses by telling
lies over and over again till they become truth in the

(15:04):
believer's eyes or ears or whatever that may be, right?
So here's something that was never questioned, and when it
was, that was threat of death. Yeah.
Right. So if you've got that energy
embedded in a population over thousands of years, what do you
think's going to happen? And we know about cellular, the

(15:28):
memory, you know, Bruce Lipton stuff and, and all of those
microbiologists and, and folks that are saying, you know, that,
that these cellular memories arepresent.
Rupert Sheldrake and his memes and creos, right?
Cultural memories and all of these historical things that are
still embedded in our genetic codes because we haven't
questioned them yet. And now this day and age, we're

(15:51):
beginning to question all of it because we can.
We're no longer under under a threat, so to speak.
Yeah, we're, you know, people can be dismissive and
discounting and all that kind ofstuff, but we're not under
threat of death. If we don't believe, then we
have experiences like you and I with a direct connection with

(16:12):
Jesus or some other beings, which others do have as well.
It totally to me, and I could bewrong, I'm not saying I'm
infallible, but it seems like there's a whole new experience
that we're evolving into now. Your explorations in the UFOs in

(16:35):
the Bible. When you once you had that
experience, what led you to thisinclusion of UFOs and
extraterrestrials? OK, so I intuitively already
knew you could say elements of, well, a greater reality, you

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know, since a young age, you know, I'd seen those things.
Then I during the army, I encountered this glowing ball of
energy in the jungle. And on that particular occasion,
I was with my team leader. I had zero fear whatsoever.
And, you know, my logic was still fully intact.

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And I'm like talking to my team leader saying if this thing
wanted to kill us, it, it would have, you know?
Yeah, you'll be dead already. It's the size of a soccer ball
and it's pure energy. And it looked like pure
electricity. And I have my M60 gunner, you
know, I was the M60 gunner back then.

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And I have my M60 on. And I'm like, you know, well, I
want to go talk to this thing because it came right to our
position. It was only like 30 feet away
from the depths of the Panamanian jungle.
And I'm like, this is acting. It's sentient.
It's not acting like ball lightning.
It's not acting like swamp gas. This thing was out there and it
made a beeline straight here andnow it's stopped.

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It's curious and I want to talk to it.
You know, this is my captain moment.
Return the. Curiosity, right?
Oh my Corp my team leader was yelling at me and stuff.
I disobeyed a direct order. Sorry I'm not going to have the
first contact. I'm like, dude, you know, we
want to be peaceful with this thing because, you know, first

(18:26):
of all, it could have probably killed us both right now
instantly if it wanted to. Secondly, we're in his backyard,
you know, or this thing, whatever it is.
And I feel like it's alive. And so I took off my M60I disarm
myself and gave my spiel to thisthing that, you know, we come in
peace and you know, it doesn't look like it, but we do, you
know, I our beefs with Noriega it totally, you know, on the

(18:50):
human level. And we're out here in the jungle
because we're afraid troops are coming in.
I'm talking to this ball of light, right, Right.
It didn't, it didn't speak to mewith language like English, but
it did emit to me its presence to such a degree.
So it was flashing on and off, right?

(19:12):
And it would flash on about every 30 seconds and then move
somewhere else and then flash onagain, right.
By the time it got to where we were, I was strongly feeling its
presence, almost like it plantedits GPS in my head.
It's like that feeling of being watched times 1000, right?
Right. And I could literally feel it

(19:34):
well. Anything's available to those
who have the eyes and see in theears to hear, right?
It it was letting me know where it was at even though I couldn't
see it. It was invisible.
And we had night vision doc goggles, right AM PBS sevens.
And we're looking through. I'm looking and I'm like, I
can't see it. I can't hear it, but I know it's
there and I feel it. It flew right over my head and

(19:54):
behind me. And I turned around and I told
the team leader. I said the next time it flashes,
it's going to flash right there.And when I said the word there
and pointed, it flashed exactly where I was pointing to confirm
to me. Interesting example of the
interconnectedness. Yes.
We often don't realize we have. And so this thing I never felt

(20:17):
like, to me, it felt like some sort of a curious animal, if
anything. And it was investigating us.
It was curious like, what are you doing out here in this
inhospitable place for humans, about the most inhospitable
place in the planet. But this thing was curious and

(20:37):
so was I for that matter. And I just, when it flashed on
cue, I just got so excited. And I'm like, did you see that?
Did you see that it communicatedwith me?
This is your energy. Level is astronomical at that
point, right? Yeah.
So that experience kind of like was one of the more positive

(20:59):
ones where I got to communicate with something good.
And I'm like, yeah, I know there's good stuff out there,
too. Well, what it sounds like from
your description is what many call orbs, right?
That that are spheres of consciousness.
And you know my wife, she originally hails from Leningrad,

(21:20):
USSR and as a kid she lived, grew up as a privileged
environment and became a a pianopedagogue over the years.
Russian educational systems far superior than any that I'm aware
of, at any rate, about 8 years old.

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She's in her room one night, there's a storm and this ball
like you're describing, same size, came right up to her
window. And she said it was weird.
It was like we were having this communication exchange and there
was this unconditional loving energy that she was getting from

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it. This interconnectedness, right?
No Fear, no nothing, just this near bliss and yet an
understanding that there was a consciousness there that was
exchanging energy with her. And so there's thousands of
stories about these orbs and theability to have a consciousness

(22:29):
in that form that doesn't need aphysical form that can just move
around in ways that we don't understand yet.
And yet we still have this at least awareness that there are
possibilities, people who can bilocate, people who can
teleport, people who can experience telepathy, and you

(22:52):
know, all of these kinds of things.
However, in in order to be able to do that, you've got to be
somewhat fearless because it is the unknown.
And there are these philosophical structures, if you
will, in place for us to be afraid of the unknown instead

(23:13):
of. I mean the fair response with.
Curiosity like you did. Yeah, the the fair response is
there as a survival mechanism, but if if you don't let it
overtake you and you observe long enough.
And that's a conscious choice you can make.
Yeah, to be able to inch forwarda little bit, like like Moses
when he saw the burning Bush, hedidn't just turn run screaming,

(23:37):
right, He. Got.
Curious. He got curious and he went
forward. But, you know, didn't
necessarily run and jump into the Bush, right?
It's like more let's let's checkthis out, you know?
Yeah, well, the fiery furnace was mentioned later, right?
Right, right. And, and that's a point that I
make that that a lot of people tend to, you know, run with the

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first experience, the first emotion and, and, you know, not
to say that you completely abandoned common sense because.
Actually, I think you epitomize it because the the core essence
of of us is to love and be loved, and everything else is
shadows above that. But it really takes a concerted

(24:21):
effort, time, discipline, choices made to be in that
place. And, and you know, to a certain
extent, I think that, you know, well, where's your faith then?
You know, if you don't trust Godenough to protect you, to be
able to at least go forward and ask a few questions, then you

(24:43):
know, what good is it, you know?Well, in NDA years, you know,
one of the common things that they express is once they've had
that experience of either near death or clinical death, you
know, where they go into the light or beyond or or whatever,
they come back with a recognition that there is no
death. There may be a loss of physical

(25:05):
form. However, the consciousness
doesn't disappear. Yeah, there's a transition.
And then some people just experience that sleep state.
They don't get to the other sideof that, you know, to experience
consciousness while their bodiesdead.
But there's lots of variation inthere.

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But you know, for me, it became an investigation early on, you
know, when when I heard Jesus's voice and I'm like, OK, that
that part of reality that's real, but this other part of
reality, I mean, up until that point, I was immersed in all
this new. Age, there's a huge delta there,
right? And so how do you cross that?

(25:48):
What, how do you rationalize? How do you allow that to unveil
itself to you? And on the one side, I'm like, I
get this, that, you know, Christian.
See how the existence of ETS on other planets lends itself to
evolution and all this stuff that they're talking about.
And and then you get into the horrors of evolution that that

(26:10):
what it's taken people to like Hitler with his master race and,
and all of this stuff, you know,just like Eckhart.
Tolle says. You know, you got to have the
pain and suffering in order to grow Well.
If you're stagnant and you're not moving, then something
chaotic, horrific in people's minds needs to happen in order

(26:31):
for everybody to wake up and smell the roses, right?
So you know, there were things about the ETUFO stuff that that
has a darkness to it, but then there's also this other part
where, you know, Bible talks about angels good and bad.

(26:51):
So there's good guys and there'sbad guys.
The Star Wars for. Example.
We see it that way, right? But here's what I've found and,
and I'll offer this just for maybe a bit of contemplation.
In the Kabbalah, there's 72 names of God, 36th greater and
36th lesser. We see them as angels and
demons, yet both of them are guiding us to the one within US1

(27:16):
gives you the memo. The other test to make sure you
got it. So in in my book The Strong
Delusion, I talk about how Satanis a tool.
Do you know where the name originally comes?
From what? Satan.
Yeah, it means accuser. Do you?

(27:40):
It means adversary, but do you know where the the word actually
came from? I found this in my research
early on. Comes from the Greek Phaeton
THETAN. That means thinker.
OK. It was a word that was used like
apocalypse, right? It was taken out of context and
made into a fictitious enemy. Because there is the everything

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is within us. Nothing is separate from us.
I would say that we have the Holy Spirit connecting to us and
well, absolutely. And that's where we are.
Everything but our choices make the difference.
Right where we are in our relationship with God is whether
or not we're abiding with that voice.

(28:25):
I would say it's more of a relationship with self.
God is within, it's not an exterior being.
Well, I do believe that there's Father, Son, and Holy Ghost as
the Bible. Scusses, why would you say the
Kingdom is within? Because where does he say that

(28:46):
first of all? I can't quote you chapter and
verse OK, but he does. Well, the Holy Spirit is is
within us, right? And he does send the Holy
Spirit. But you can reject the Holy
Spirit. Again, there's the choice I'm
talking about. And then that doesn't mean that

(29:06):
the Holy Spirit's still not ableto communicate with you.
Absolutely. But God respects our free will.
And I would also make a distinction that there's only
one creator. God is the Creator, Jesus is.
As we don't understand that level of creation yet, we're
we're only projecting our human concepts on it.

(29:29):
Right. Well, I I would say that Jesus
is creator and I'm not, so I I. Have wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait, wait let let me go, let meback up just a little bit.
I. Can is he not?
Saying anything is possible to those who believe and that we
can do all that he can do and more.

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He was talking about his miracles manifest and he was
talking about faith in general and telling people to stop
limiting themselves. And what does that mean if he
says everything I can do, ye cando and more.
And we were made in his image, but he made us, we didn't make.

(30:13):
Him well you know the said we were created in their image
first part of the Bible God. Plural came as a plural word, I
believe that refers to Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
Well, I have a different perspective from if, if I may
share, and I know this is going to blow your mind because it did

(30:33):
mine initially, right? So I was given the opportunity
to travel to the origins of the Trinity.
My for decades. I had a question of, OK, where
does this originally come from? Why do we have this?
Because it's ubiquitous in all the religions.
And one time I was going througha process called multi level

(30:55):
awareness. It was a technique that William
Swigard developed in 1950s. And there's a facilitator that
assists the participant through prompts to experience things and
then report back. And I was getting ready for one
of those and and my guide, who I'd met just after my spiritual
awakening in College of 18 came and and waved to me.

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He said come. And so I'm out of body.
We're traveling across the starscape initially and then it
got black or indigo. And then we ended up at this
three sun solar system that had about a dozen small green
similar sized planets. And the spheres themselves were

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like 100 times bigger. And as we're as we arrived, I
felt like Ellie coming out of the wormhole in contact, right?
The the experience was so awestriking that had I been in
the physical form, I know I would have had tears coming down
my face, right? Because it was just so
magnificent. Well as I was watching this from

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a distance, there was 3 voices that I could, I could understand
the distinction between them, but they all said the same
thing. We are not only your
forefathers, we are also the forefathers of your solar
system. And so I, you know, started to
ask questions and my guide Zephyr says Nope, that's it,

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that's all you need you'll figure it out.
So back we came. Now, on the way back, I already
knew, you know, the, if that's the macro, the micro is probably
proton, electron and neutron. Something doesn't fit there
because hydrogen only has 2. So there's got to be a tertiary
element there that we're missing, probably the invisible,
which could be mean that hydrogen is the conduit for

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consciousness. And I've had some quantum
biologists that that have reached that conclusion as well.
What was interesting though is the facilitator timed the
journey there and timed it back and it was the same.
It was 8 minutes. Now the only reference I've been

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able to find to the speed of thought, which is probably how
fast we were travelling, was in the Urantia book and they quoted
as 841 trillion miles per second.
We can't even have them that right.
But this is just an experience Ihad, believe it or not.

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It was my direct experience. I don't claim it to be true for
everybody, but it was true for me and it explained a lot of
things in that short time. That was 1989.
So I would just like to offer that as something to, you know,
just kind of put it in your thinking cap and and ponder it.

(33:47):
I I'm not trying to convince youof anything, just offering some
additional information that you might consider now moving
forward It in the this relationship with the Bible and
UFOs and extraterrestrials. Where do you see that going in
relationship to humanity? Well, the Bible talks about

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everything past, present, and future.
I mean, people think about the Book of Revelation, for example,
which is the New Testament version of the book of Daniel in
the Old Testament. And it lays out history in this
repetitious cycle, ancient past,what's going on right now and
what's coming down the line. There's elements, for example,

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like the mark of the beast, right?
Revelation 13 That happened in past, in the past in the
province of Laodicea. In order to buy or sell in that
province, you had to go to this temple at the entrance of the
area where the the merchants would go.
You had to burn incense to Caesar.

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This, this large structure had all of these, you know, pantheon
of Greek gods and whatnot. And then there's this huge
statue of Caesar up there, and you actually literally had to
bow and pray. So what I hear you saying is we
don't have to fear the mark of the beast because it already
happened. Well, there's all this.
Projection. Now what?
I wonder though. Is No, I'm not I didn't say that

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I didn't say that. I said that this happened back
then John was referring to, so you're.
Saying it could be a repeat. But yes, prophetic things of of
major significance also repeat of yeah, absolutely patent.
Cycles. Yes.
So he there's elements of that that happened back then.
People knew what he was talking about.

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But at the same time he's like also talking about he mentions
things that haven't happened yet.
Clearly we have not made an image of the beast, which is a
man made thing that can talk andwalk and think and put it in
charge of the global economy. We have not done that back then.
We've done it now. We're like right there now.

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Yeah, we're really close. We're really close.
Now what's what's surprising though is the number, right?
The triple 6 is to be understoodwith knowledge and wisdom and or
to be interpreted with knowledgeand wisdom and it's.
Well, it's the number of man, yes.
Right. So what?
What's that mean? The 666?
Where's that fit in science? Because if you don't have the

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science, then you can't back it up.
Well, in the science, the triple6 is a carbon atom, 6 protons, 6
neutrons, and six electrons. That's our basic building block,
right? OK.
That unifies everybody. Yeah.
We just don't see it yet. We're still acting like we're

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all separate instead of unified and.
That may be step. Of our evolution, I believe.
That may be a reference to our current state, but then the
Bible talks about a translation that we'll go through, so we
are. Well, we got to realize that the
chaos or patterns we're projecting that don't fit, but
we don't see the order in them yet because we're too afraid of

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each other to recognize the lovethat we have and hold and can
exhibit. Yeah, yeah, I would agree with
that, that I, I believe God designed us as as what we, what
I would call an echogenic species that that we are like

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the angels. Good term.
Jesus said we will be like the angels.
Well, imagine we were just like consciousness that has said, OK,
we're going to create like thosethree sons, right?
Here's a creation. How are we going to experience
it? Wouldn't we want to?
Well, how are we going to do that?
How can we get all that varied experience throughout all the

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dimensions and and levels of emotion, of sensation, of
satiation, of the senses, if youwill, if we're formless, yeah.
So there's the story of Lucifer,right?
He's the most high Angel of light and music.
Well, what do you get when you combine light and music?

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You condense it into form, right?
That's the elements of it. We're now knowing that through
quantum physics, right, there isno matter.
It's all energy. It's just arranged
vibrationally. Well, how can you think your way
through a system built on vibration?
You got to sense your way through it because thinking is

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in that quantum computer sittingon top of your shoulders.
If you don't process informationthat is available through the
body first, then you're just taking beliefs and shoving it
into the body and wondering why you're diseased, in my opinion.
And there's some ancient technology to that.
The ancient Indians are indigenous.

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They call it the three brain system.
Your gut is your first brain, your heart is your second brain,
and that supercomputer quantum computer on top of your
shoulders is the third brain. Well, you got to feed it like
AI, right? You got to feed it good
information, clear information. Well, how you going to get that?

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Your body is a transceiver made for that purpose.
We don't get that yet. We're in total denial of our
bodies other than the satiationsthat we get.
Yeah, OK. Does that make sense?
So somewhat, yeah. I mean, a science just recently

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found neurons in the heart, and they do say that the heart does
some kind of thinking, but we'veknown that all along.
And there's more neurosensors inthe gut than there is in the
heart. Science has also proven that.
So why is that? Yeah.
That that the thinking. We may think it's centralized in

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the head, but it is throughout the body.
That's the sensations. How we interpret it is the
function of the brain. So anyway, yeah, a lot of what
I, what I get into in terms of connecting ET life and, and the
greater reality and stuff with the Bible is, you know, kind of

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bringing it back full circle that as I was researching a lot
of this stuff, I was seeing connections with end times
prophecy. Jesus said when he returns in
the future, it will be like the days of Noah.
So he mentioned that in in Matthew and in Luke.
And so I start looking at the days of Noah and you know, you

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don't get very far in the Bible.Very first book, Genesis chapter
6, you see about these beings, the Banai Elohim that came down
and you can read more about it in the book of Enoch.
These beings came down the and the interface with humanity.
And it seemed like they were good guys at first because they

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were giving us all this knowledge and stuff.
But then everything went really bad and they had these hybrids
known as the Nephilim, inherently evil.
When they died, they became whatwe now call a demon.
Demonic things. What do you what do humans do in
in the process? Right.
When we're given stuff, the ego takes over, wants to control,

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doesn't care how it behaves as long as it gets what it wants.
Yes, and and pride is the original sin and they tap into
that and they have the same message.
Well, Jesus said that they're coming back in the future.
So I thought, OK, that's something that we need to be

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aware of and we should be prepared for, but but we should
also be aware of the fact that, you know, the Bible talks about
angels with their angelic Chariots, good guys and bad guys
probably applies to the both of them.
We need to understand what angels are.
They are. They can be physical beings, you
know, and they're probably our entire universe is

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multidimensional. Well, let me ask you this
question. I understand what what you're
saying and and that's a human perspective.
Are we one? There is a connectedness between
US and God, but we don't want toalign ourselves with being the

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question. Are we one?
If we consider that the universeis 1 creation, why don't we
perceive it as one? We as humans tend to create the
bipolar relationships because wedon't understand that we live in
paradox and that there are thesetwo choices we can make.

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The discipline is being able to recognize that those two choices
exist and following the frequency instead that unifying
love that's within each one of us.
I would say that yes, we are onein the sense of for those of us

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who want to continue to exist, who those of us who want to
align with God's will. Either is or isn't, and you
can't have. We are one, except that's just
not logical. I I'm not going to say that I'm

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I'm one with the devil. No, that's not what I'm asking.
Creation is 1 energy that has a diversification.
It's still 1, and when we can recognize that and operate as
one, things are in harmony. Yeah, in the beginning, God

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outside of time space, chose to create everything, and from his
perspective, it all existed all at once.
Now maybe quantum sciences is showing us that yes, that does
exist and we can't experience that.
Even. AI has an emotional intelligence
in it that is just spectacular. The, you know, initially people

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that didn't recognize it, but it's built in and AI really
isn't artificial, right? It's an aggregated collection of
human data. Human produced data.
Yeah, yeah. So I, I see some things coming

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in our future. I do see open contact possibly
right around the corner. Of course, I, I've been thinking
that would happen sooner than ithas.
So it's, well, the. Military just released their tic
tac videos, you know. Yes, less.
Than they've been dragging theirfeet.
Take a long time. Yes, but we've been seeing a

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soft disclosure and then of course, all these these other
ways of revealing things that for example, what they found
under the pyramids. I just had a dream about that
yesterday night that I kept seeing the pyramid and the base
and these columns going down with these, these obvious, you
know, copper coils going around these columns and they're so

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big. I forget how far those go down
into the earth, like a half mileor something.
And how could people from 4000 years ago built this?
They had to. Well, they didn't, and here's a
story I'll share, and I heard this long ago.
It's the story of a planet called Maldek, and this is an
indigenous legend myth, however you want to look at it.

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Long time ago there was, and I'll explain it in modern terms,
that using Kardashev's scale right and a Cartesian scale is
type 1, type 2 and type 3 civilizations.
Type 1 uses a planet energy and a consciousness to go along with
that. Type 2 uses the solar system
energy and a consciousness to goalong with that.

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And a type 3 uses galactic energy and a consciousness to go
along with that. Now, this civilization on Maldek
had developed to nearly a type 2and in order to, I think we're
running out of energy was what was happening.
And so they came to Earth, builtthe pyramids, and we're going to

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use them to. And this is where those copper
spirals come in to transfer the electromagnetic energy generated
from Earth to their planet. And their calculations were off.
There was a type 3 civilization that was observing all of this.

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And they knew because they've been there before.
And so they waited. They tried to inform, just like
the E TS Rs are doing with us now to kind of, you know, slow
down guys, You're headed towardsdestruction.
And they didn't listen. Pride, right?
No, we got our math right. Well, the math was wrong and so

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when they fired the machinery up, it destroyed the planet
instead. Now there was also an escape pod
that was built and that escape pod.
This type 3 civilization transported those who were a
pure heart and mind to it so that they could survive.

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Now, story goes that that escapepod came here and it's our moon.
We've proven it's hollow. I had a conversation with Doctor
Edgar Mitchell and he said to meduring that, you know, I want to
tell you something, but that youcan't tell anybody till after
I'm dead. This was 1997.

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And whoa, OK, He said as soon aswe now, he was the pilot for the
lunar excursion module. And so he said as soon as they
left the command module. This is Apollo 14, I believe.
There was a metallic silver cylinder spiraling around them.
Said I couldn't tell the size because there was no perspective
from which to judge it. Couldn't tell if it was piloted

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on board or from the surface. However it was, I could tell it
was definitely nothing from Earth.
Now, about 10 years or so later,I heard of the story of Buzz and
Neil, who saw the same cylinder standing on a rectangular
platform just beyond the dark side of the moon.

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Now, these are things that definitely they would have had
gag orders on, you know, if we knew this stuff, that it would
blow people's minds and who knows what would happen.
So with that, if you look at thestructure of our solar system,
the asteroid belt is where a planet could have been.

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I, I write about that, I called it a sterile, yeah.
So yeah, it could be many, and Maldek is the one that I'm
familiar with. But this story, you know, all of
these things have their basis infact.
And this was millions of years ago by the.
Way. OK, so this planet blew up.
Yep. Because there were, I'll just

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say, idiots at the helm that didn't question their own
calculations enough to make surethings would work.
And when they fired it up, they may have been just testing it.
I don't know, you know, because it's hard, especially that long
ago. We don't know.
And there's age, not ageless, possibly ageless.

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There's civilizations. They're millions of years ahead
of us, right? So that is a possibility that we
cannot discount if we're lookingat the big picture, right?
Over time, humans tend to look at things in snapshots and think

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that that's everything. Yeah, it's just.
Intriguing what I've you know what?
I've uncovered is is that the Bible actually says that Lucifer
was a king at one point in the Garden of Eden, so this had to
predate Adam and Eve. I don't remember that.
I do remember him being called the Most High Angel of Light in

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music. He had a throne.
Well, yeah, wouldn't you? The most High Angel of Light
music? Yeah, it'd probably be a throne.
So a throne implies subjects that that you're it doesn't want
a throne. Yeah, that you're a king in the
biblical sense, it does. Well, and who's a king is
responsible for them, for caringfor his subjects or her

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subjects? So you read this in Isaiah 14
and Ezekiel 28, and this is before it talks in those
passages before he sinned, before he became filled with
pride and rebelled against God. And then it discusses his how he
ascended above the heights. The.
Clouds. Why do we, why don't we question

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that? Because in my experience, you
have something that's called themost High Angel of Light music
to reach that level. There is nothing that would
change that, the integrity of that energy.
Now we, you know, we don't know what commitment is.

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We say we commit to something, but if we have a hard time with
it, our commitment disappears. Yeah, I would say that he was
the first Angel to rebel against.
The form led the rest of us. To rebel against God.
And it was in that rebellion that the earth was wiped out.

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And if you read that in Genesis 1, chapter one, verse 2, and the
earth became void and without form, it's talking about a
destruction that happened here long ago in the very beginning,
Genesis 11. In the beginning, God created
the heavens. That have been maldek instead.
I and I believe that that might have been part of that
destruction. I think that Lucifer's Kingdom

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was across the entire solar system.
Here he had. But what's your sense?
It it? You know what my?
Sense is that he had this. And I'm not trying to be
argumentative, right? I'm trying to make the
distinction. I believe that that that there.
Was life, feeling and thinking. Yeah, I believe there life was
life on a Mars. I believe that that there was a
planet where the asteroid belt is and that he had a base there,

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that he had life was all throughout this this solar
system and that all of that got obliterated.
Is the universe life friendly oris it hell bent on destruction?
I mean I would say from a creator's standpoint, why would
you want to destroy part of yourcreation if it's all connected

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and it's one? See we we still, this is where I
have a problem with things. We still think that there's
separation when there isn't. We choose to see that separation
rather than see a holistic system.

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I do see a holistic system. I do see it all as coming from
God originally in the beginning as a creation and.
It was all good, right? Everything was in harmony.
It was so, and it was our choiceto throw it out of harmony.
So we've made all these distinctions to keep things
separate. And it's been helped by those

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who originally did the canonization of the Bible.
Now, in the Nag Hamadi Scrolls, I believe there is a place in
there where Jesus is talking to Thomas and he's doubting Thomas,
right? And he says to Thomas, don't ye
know that ye are God as I am God?
Now, you may not have read that.No, I've I have the Nog Hammadi,

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but I I would not agree that I am God.
I don't. I don't want people if.
God is everything, why aren't you?
I am made in God's image. OK, all right.
So what happens when you grow up?

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And I have the Holy Spirit in me, and I can operate as God's
representative with the Holy Spirit in me and leading.
Right. Well, this is what the the Vedas
say, the 15,000 year olds Sanskrit poems, right?
The essence of the Vedanic philosophy is that we're all
divine threads, Incarnate, connected to source, capable of

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God consciousness. Now what's that mean?
We're capable of being in harmony.
Yeah, but and then there's there's also a message.
It's in Revelation. And I consider this my mission,
the mission of the first Angel. And in the middle of all of this

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stuff going on in Revelation with the mark of the beast and
all of this stuff, there's an Angel that's flying in the
heavens and saying to all the people of Earth saying worship
the creator. And he's reminding people like,
you know who God is? He's the creator.
He's the one who originated everything in the beginning.

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Well, there's. Many people today that are
saying that they're going beyondthe the religious and religions
distinctions, that they're separate and saying, look,
there's an essence within each one of us that is pure and it
doesn't, it's not bifurcated by the separation of religion.

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It's again one. But I I wouldn't discount that
there is a deception that has happened that the reality that
we're in at this current point in time.
Oh, we absolutely. I totally agree with you because
we're still. Something people.
And that is something that I innately feel in my gut that

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there's something broken here with this reality.
And it's something I've struggled with too.
Like why did God allow? And it it really?
I recently wrote an article on my blog and it's called Can God
Learn because it goes against traditional theology that you
know no, God can't possibly learn, but I do believe that God

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does learn in. A.
Well, if we're made in this image, don't.
What do you think we're doing right?
Is a special kind of learning that does apply to God.
And the only way that reality makes sense is if there is a
kind of learning that that applies to Him and God the
Father. I I see God the father outside

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of time space and for him all learning happened all at once,
right? You know, like certain things
didn't exist, sin didn't exist. Too If if we know things and and
how creation takes place, where's the feminine?
I would say that Holy Spirit lends itself to a feminine
quality. Sophia's the divine name for it

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in in Hebrew. You know Pista Sophia is a great
work. So you could say that if there's
a divine, if there's a feminine aspect to God, it would be
encapsulated in the Holy Spirit.But I and and I see kind of God
the Father outside of all time space coordinating everything.

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Jesus is like the interface thatthe physical manifestation
within time space, going throughtime space and experiencing time
space. So and then Holy Spirit is
connecting with everyone, feeding all of that information
to the head, who is Jesus, the head of the body.
So we're connected to Jesus through Holy Spirit, almost like

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a single body, right? Sure.
And absolutely. And, and I love to, if I may
share, and I know you know, thisis, we're having a really
wonderful conversation and I truly appreciate your openness
to have it. When I went through my spiritual
awakening, I knelt and I prayed,Father, I want to know what
truth is and I'm willing to die for it if necessary.

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And I meant it. The following week I got called
up. I was in meditating.
I was in pre Med program at the time and during meditation, this
voice I've been familiar with since a child.
I was orphan and adopted by the way.
And so I had this inner voice happen in about 5.
It was when I first heard it andstarted working with it.

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So this voice asked me if I'm willing to die for what I
believe in. And my first thought was Christ
consciousness. The feeling was not quite full.
I didn't question it. I moved on.
The next thought was cosmic consciousness, which is what

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basically Jesus had right and itfelt full.
That's the formless. So I said yes.
And then I get a tug from my solar plexus and and there's a
guitar riff on an album that I was listening to perfectly
timed. And I pop out a body turn to
look at my body laying across mydorm room bed, turn back to look

(01:00:03):
where I'm going. And before I can get turned
around, I'm engulfed by white light.
And it has this amazing sensation to it.
And then I without realizing I was thinking it felt
effervescent. Iridescent and high pitched.
Then I realized I was thinking and I was like, oh wow, I'm

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thinking I can't be dead. Whoo Hoo, is there more?
And then I went into a sphere. From the white light.
I went into what appeared to be a a sphere of indigo light or
indigo with Points of Light surrounding me.
And I knew the Points of Light were points of consciousness,
whether in body or not. I wasn't sure because I wasn't

(01:00:45):
in body myself and I knew it, but I had a sense that they were
somehow. And so the voice picks back up
at that point and says these arethose that you were to work with
in order to facilitate a new world order.
It will happen in your lifetime.Know this to be true.
Your path will be full of trialsand tribulations.
Have faith and trust that everything you need will be

(01:01:08):
there at its appointed time. Trust and allow.
And then I feel another rush of energy and I'm back in my body
taking a gulp of air, instantly aware that we are all cosmic
consciousness condensed into form.
Just unaware. Now Jesus happened to be aware,

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right? And that's why he said, here's
the path, right? Here's what you can do and more
because we're individuated with specific codes for performance,
a perfected form, fit and function, if you will, in the
world in that oneness. Now the new world order that was

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given to me, the understanding of it was harmony among people
and planet, not the prescriptiveone that's being thrust upon us
for this world dominance of well.
Pushed by a group of billionaires.
Yeah, yeah, exactly right. Now that too is purposeful,
right? Because the systems have to be

(01:02:16):
set up and they're doing it. Now.
What will happen, in my opinion,with the help of or maybe not,
maybe it'll just be the choice of humans to say, hey, wait a
minute, we have all the resources we need to feed,
clothes, house and care for everyone.
It's just the distribution systems that are screwed up and
under the control of others who like to keep the suppression

(01:02:38):
going on because it feeds them. That's.
The ship every profitable government in the world is a
different version of people trying to redistribute
everybody's wealth and. It just doesn't.
I don't know about that I I think.
Well, I mean communism. Trying to, you know, keep the

(01:03:01):
resources for themselves and andthese billionaires, right,
right. Instead of looking at, OK, who
and what is who's necessary, who's in place, what's necessary
in order for this evolutionary leap to take place?
And then how can we as individual human beings grow

(01:03:25):
into that? Yeah, and.
Great question. Don't.
Let that answer we're we're not.A possible solution with
planetarycitizens.net. Yeah, I, I don't think we're
going to get there without Jesusreturning and I, I, and how's it

(01:03:46):
going to? Return is it going to be inside
or outside right 'cause we're bereft like we're.
It'll be from east to West. It'll be from east to West and,
and, and I also believe that we got some things headed to us in
our future that are going to be pretty tough to get through.

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Well, the Eastern philosophy is much more centered inwardly than
Western philosophy. I mean, look at Western
medicine, right? We're trying to treat people,
right? Keep them in this drug induced
or, or pharmacological realm. That's profitable, right?

(01:04:28):
Eastern medicine not. Yeah, yeah.
I not really particularly pleased with the way medicine's
gone over here in the so-called.But that's just an example of
what you just said of east to West, right?
There's probably multiple levelsof what we could look for and
potentially see that is underneath this process that

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we're going through. Yeah, yeah.
And yeah, big changes are comingand.
But from a militaristic standpoint, right, what do you
think about the guys like Alonzoand, and his crew and those that

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are talking about, again, they're talking about the
potential, they're looking at itfrom militaristic potential
threat standpoint, which we tendto as people.
If we feel an unknown is a threat, instead of trying to
understand it, we'll try to destroy it first.
Destroy or control or reverse engineer and all of those kinds

(01:05:39):
of things for our own use as opposed to the benefit of
others. Yeah, I, I have this sense that
Alonzo himself was a pawn and he's kind of like being told
what he's allowed to say and, and guided along the way, right.

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And. How about Steve Bassett?
Steve's an old friend. I've known him for 30 some odd
years. Yeah, and I, I've been in
contact with him. He gave me my contact list to,
you know, reach out to differentpodcasts and stuff and, and.
Find. I think you got me from him.
I probably did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And and so you know, I, I believe that that we will have
disclosure that we will connect with other worlds and there will
be beings coming here probably pretty soon here.
My direct experiences they already are.
They they are, but just not in the public eye.

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Just just not in the public eye in terms of, you know, like the
show. You mean like the like the show?
We, we've got the military that released videos, we've got
experiencers that's got all kinds of books and stories and,
and the UFO Congress and contactin the desert and there's stuff
going on in Europe as well. So.

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I'm talking, I'm talking a, a level of open contact where
beings are just able to fly downhere into our, you know, right
out in the open and you know, and, and have international
meetings with. What do you think would happen
now if that were to take place? Could we handle?
It, I think they're getting us to the point where we can so.

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Your answer is no, we couldn't in our current state.
Some people would freak out, butin general I think that they've
done enough to condition us. Arrival was a great movie to
illustrate that point. Right.
Yeah, I think enough conditioning has happened to

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where they could. It could probably happen, and I
do believe that things are happening behind the scenes,
probably from the ETS themselves, but.
I think it give humans too much credit.
I have done that for decades andfound out that I was not
correct, right? I think the only reason that.
People will handle more than they can't, more than they do.

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I think the only reason. The test they don't.
COVID taught me anything. If it caught taught me anything,
it's that they don't really careabout public safety or whether
people lose their mind or not. You know, OK, you know, so you
so well that was. A big experience that that was
the bell ringing that gave us the opportunity.
And they even gave us the opportunity by demanding

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obsession on self hygiene and sequestration.
Well, what happens when you do that?
You turn inward, you start thinking about yourself, your
place, your beliefs, your life, your work, your play, what
you're willing to do in order tohave that harmony in your life.

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And many people started, you know, gathering afterwards and,
and these online discussion groups and things like that,
hundreds of them that are looking for solutions to take us
to the next level. Then there are those that didn't
and are still in the fear based control of what we were talking
about earlier. The oligarchs, if you will.

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But yeah, I think that we're going to get past all of that.
And the Bible talks about certain things in there.
Like, for example, there's this dynamic.
So OK, if there's bad guys out there, why haven't they wiped us
out? You know, they're obviously
clearly more powerful than we are.
Well, there's good guys out there that are holding them
back. I.

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See, again, I think that's the bipolar.
You know, I've had a direct experience with Draconians, who
are supposed to be the nastiest boogers, right?
And they're not. The energy level is so high I.
Want to think of them in terms of black and white like that.
I, I, I think that any species is going to be like that, that
there's going to be good and badwithin any species.

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In order to do what they do, consider OK, back to the type
1-2 and three civilizations and whatever else is beyond that,
right. In order to be able to travel,
you have to have a high vibratory rate, and that
constitutes 0 malevolence in order to do that.

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Think about it vibrationally, right?
We're all just talking about thehigh vibes, the higher your
vibration is. Look at the docking scale or the
Hawking scale, right? Zero to 1000, right?
Where's Christ at? He's like 997 or 1000, right?
So in that place, to be able to have that kind of technology,

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that kind of mobility interdimensionally, there's no
separation, there's only unity in order to be able to do that
because you're understanding allthe nuances of the grids, right?
The energy of the universe beingable to move in ways, sometimes

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near instantaneously, like the speed of thought, right?
That's there's no malevolence there.
There's. Would you agree that it's at
that level vibratory level? It's only pure love as we can
conceive it. Well, there is the fact that

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when Lucifer sinned, when he rebelled against God.
That he was not my question. Not my question.
I'm asking you, would that constitute that high vibrational
level that there is no malevolence?
In terms of travel from one place to another, vibrational.

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Level. I don't think I would concede To
say that they're all life in thecosmos is pure good.
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying to reach that level
of technology and maneuverability, there has to be
the consciousness that goes along with it.
High vibratory rate that's incapable of malevolence.

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The highest, most powerful beings are good, I would agree
to that and but there are those that have gone bad.
That are still extremely proof in that other than the stories.
Yeah, well, I take that from theBible.
And we're supposed to test the truth, right?

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We're commanded to test the truth.
And I believe that there is a war, that we're in the middle of
a war right now. Oh.
It's inside each one of us, and our choice is.
More from from ancient times. And it's within each of us.
That's where the main war is foreach of us.

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You know, in quantum physics and, and all of the studies of
consciousness, everything's inside of us.
Our outer world is a manifestation of what's inside
of us. And if we're not clear inside of
us, the outside is going to be really dirty.
Yeah. Mm hmm.
Now that's that God consciousness capacity that we

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have. If we're made in the image, that
means we're Co creators. So what are we creating?
Well, let's look at the exteriorworld.
This is what we've created. Do we want to change it?
We have that capacity. Yes, but the cool thing about
the Bible that's interesting about it is it's got something

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called predictive prophecy and it's extremely accurate and it
tells us, it has told us things that happened in the past before
they happen. I mean, parts of the Bible all
throughout the Old Testament, for example, they're predicting
Jesus and you know, almost on every page it's like somebody's

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coming in the future and and then this happens.
Over 300 prophecies were fulfilled to the letter when
Jesus came. And it predicts things that are
going to happen in our future aswell.
Sure. So these things have to do with
things inside, but they're also happen to do with things that
are going to happen on a global scale.

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And and then it predicts into the eternal future even beyond
that, when New Jerusalem is brought back to earth and and
transplanted from the planet where it's currently at through
this planet. So it's a real physical city,
maybe in a higher dimension operating at a higher frequency,
but it's this beautiful. It's the capital of all
creation, and it's on some planet in the northern

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hemisphere. God's going to transport it to
Earth in the future. And you're going to have this
society where part of us are still going to be reproducing
like Adam and Eve, but they'll be sinless and perfect.
And another part of us will be translated into an angelic
status and we'll all be with God.
And that'll be God's future state for all of creation and,

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and everything that we're experiencing right now with sin
and death and, and all of our confusion and struggle in, and
all of the rebellion that happened from ancient times.
It's a blip on the scale of eternity.
From God's perspective. It's just a blip and we're.
Running out of time and I I havethe commitments.

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So what can you offer our audience for their own journey
as advice? As advice, I would say this is
open to anyone because Jesus is real.
He's not just an abstract thought or just one among any,

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you know, religious faiths or whatever.
But Jesus is a real being and heis the King of all creation.
If you want to know for sure if He is and who he is, simply
initiate a conversation with Himand take some time to just quiet
your mind and speak to God and ask Him to illuminate you.

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And if you do it consistently and persistently enough, He will
reply. Absolutely.
Yeah, John, it's been a great conversation.
I wish we had more time and maybe we can do that.
Thank you so much for your insight, wisdom and and sharing

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