September 27, 2024 • 42 mins
Onto the second part of Season 4 Episode 5! And boy oh boy, it’s an exciting one! Today we're talking to the amazing… Molly Shannon! Iconic. Comedy. Legend. Molly Shannon who obviously plays Bev Melon. We'll also catch up with Showrunner Co-creator John Hoffman and actor Michael Cyril Creighton who plays Howard. You’ll hear what Molly Shannon has in common with Bev Mellon, why Howard's so good at his new job as on-set documentarian and talent liaison, and how Paul Rudd brought “weiner to weiner” to new heights.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Straw Hot Media.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I always want to be respectful to my fellow performers.
It's a tennis match, you work together. But and I
like if people are wild with me. I just like
being kind of wild. So yes, that does come from
the stage show Saturday Night Live.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Welcome back to the Only Murders in the Building Podcast.
I am Maggie Bowles.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
And I'm Ryan Tillotson.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
We are looking behind.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
The scenes and mining for clues as we meet the
cast and creators of the Hulu original series Only Murders
in the Building.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Today on the show, we are continuing our conversation all
about season four, episode five adaptation. If you haven't seen
episode five, or if you haven't listened to part one
of this week's podcasts, go do both those things first,
because today we're talking to the amazing Molly Shannon.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Iconic comedy legend Molly Shannon, who plays of course, Bev Mellon.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
We'll catch up with Schouvener co creator John Hoffman, and
we'll hear from Michael Cyril Crichton, who plays Howard.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I like today's episode, Ryan, what do listeners have to
look forward to?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Maybe a little bit about what Molly Shannon has in
common with Bev Mellon.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
How about Howard's new job as on set documentarian and talentles.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
What about Paul Rudd's interpretation of Wien or de Wiener?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
I know how much you like.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yes, let's start off with Molly Shannon.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
So can you tell us a little bit about who
who Bev Mellon is?
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Well?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Bev Mellon is a Hollywood producer who wears pink suits,
and she's all business, and she's trying to get the
rights to their life rights so that she can make
a movie about the Only Murders podcast she wants to
turn into a movie. And she's all business.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
She is she is a boss lady. Yeah, making things
happen girls. I mean, do you do you know a
Bev Mellon type or have you worked.
Speaker 6 (01:58):
With a velin you?
Speaker 7 (02:00):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (02:00):
Yes, it's I definitely have.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yes, I've worked with like the good version of Beb Mellan,
like a real hustler and like can do attitude, and
then the like the lame versions too, like the ones
that don't do that much work. But I consider Bev
Mellan a very hard worker. She likes she gets a
job done.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Oh yeah, she just shows up.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, she shows up, but it's not based on anybody
in particular. It's just a general general idea and yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah, No, Bev is extremely hard worker. Okay, well, we
have an idea of how this happened, but we'd love
to know how you got involved in the show.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I'm not sure if you know, but John Hoffman, the creator,
brilliant showrunner, and I have been friends for I mean, well,
I have to ask John, but I think it's maybe
like thirty years or something. We met years ago when
I was doing my stage show in La. It was
called The Robin Molly Show. And John came to my
(02:57):
show and then I came to his show. Just became
friends and started hanging out and going out for dinner.
And I was such a fan of his work and
he was a fan of mine, and we've just been
friends ever since.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Oh yeah, it's great. I love it.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I think it was JJ and John together that were like,
Molly would be good as Beb mellon.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
JJ.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Philbin my good friend in La. Oh she is. She
and I work together on Saturday Night Live and she's
an amazing you know, producer writer on the show. So
JJ and I worked together years ago at SNL we
wrote together, so it was so great to be reunited
with JJ. But JJ's the one who initially told me
she goes. Everybody's so happy on the set. It's like
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the happiest set, And I was like, JJ is right.
Everybody is just so excited to be there. And then
it really is like a party off camera too. It
feels like you're at like a really fun party with
like Steve and Eugene and everybody just talking, and Marty
and Steve order tuna fish sandwiches and potato chips for lunch,
and I was.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
Like, I want tuna fish.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
And then we all talked and laugh and tell stories
and then oh my god, there's Meryl Street and there's
Selena and Allie and it was.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
Just so great.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
And Steve's doing magic, I hear, and everyone's yearning how
to play Oh hell, did you play any.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I didn't seem too magic, but Keep and I would
just talk and you know, have so much fun.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
What would you say is your maybe it's impossible question,
your biggest takeaway from the whole the whole production.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
One thing I was going to say was this is
what I'll say about John Hoffman. John Hoffman was like, Molly,
do you want to do the show? And I was
like yes, And then I was like, but the only
thing is is my son's on spring break during this
time when we're shooting. And he's like, okay, what are
the dates? And I was like, cause I really do
need to be off during that time. And he's like, okay,
so organized, Okay, okay, no problem all we'll have you
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off during that period. And I'm thinking John did this,
does this for probably like five hundred people, like he
is that involved in everyone. We got to cut that, okay?
And that scene Okay, that limp, that's cent edit had
to be talking to this executive twentieth century. He's doing
that to everyone and makes them feel so as if
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that is his only thing that he has to deal with.
But that's why the show is so good. That's why
it's brilliant, that's why it's on. It starts at the top.
He does that for everyone. That does that make sense?
And that really does not happen in a lot of places.
They might push that job off to someone else and
it could be mishandled or but John's doing all that,
(05:31):
crossing his t's dotting his eyes thinking of these character arcs,
writing these beautiful parts.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
For women men. You know what I mean. That's John Hoffman.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
It's so impressive. And every time we talk to him,
like just his knowledge of the details of every episode,
of every scene is just like, how is he how
is he keeping it all in his brain? I just
don't understand. It's wild, wild.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
So wild, right, because you have to have the murder plot,
the dramatic part, and then adding funny stuff on top
of that. But you have to make sure the dramatic
storyline plays and the mystery part those are different types
of writing, and then comedy jokes, jokes that come from character.
That's separate, right, But you have to have the emotional
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baseline first and the mystery component of story. That's hard
to think through a whole season, you know, I don't know,
that's really hard.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
It's impressive.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I'm constantly impressed the same same. So so you would say, John,
maybe is your biggest takeaway.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yes, Sean is our biggest takeaway? Yes, but no, it
was an absolute dream. It was such a fun job
and we just had the premiere and we had so
much fun at the premiere.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
And it was it was so great. Yes, yeah, so great.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
We know from all of the years of talking about
this show with all of the creators that for the part,
the show is very very tightly scripted and very well scripted.
But we also know that Molly Shannon shared notes on
scripts with Ellen JJ.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
We know that from last week.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I'll have a general idea of what I want to do,
but I want to be really loose and spontaneous and
wild in the moment, like make it kind of wild.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
That's what I would do, and you don't.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
You don't always have the freedom to do that because
you know, I always want to be respectful of everybody's
time and not waste time. But it's so nice if
you can kind of make it wild, shake it up
while they got those cameras rolling.
Speaker 6 (07:32):
So that's what I kind of call.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Make it wild. If you can be a little wild,
do it. The cameras are running, let's fucking do it,
you know what I mean, Let's make it wild like.
So that's what I kind of like to do. And
when that does happen, it's so fun.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
But especially if everyone's game for it.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, if everyone's I always want to be respectful to
my fellow performers.
Speaker 6 (07:55):
It's a tennis match. You work together.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
But and I like if people are wild with me,
I just like being kind of wild. So yes, that
does come from the stage show Saturday Night Live, the
stage show. I would kind of know if I was
doing Merk Kapain Gallah, for example, live on stage, I
know I'm going to come out, introduce myself, try to
get the part in the movie, and then leave. So
I have a I have an idea of the beats,
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and then I want to be loose within those beats.
Speaker 6 (08:21):
Yeah, it's kind of like that, so I still approach
it the same way.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
Yeah, so good.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
And wait, I have one more funny thing.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
John Hoffman in real life, since we're friends, we were
just I'm not going to get into the specifics, but
it was like a like a something that had to
do with business about the show behind the scenes, and
it was like a cast related or whatever, and we
were discussing something and I was giving advice like dada
da da da, and I was like, see, I really.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
Am beb Mellon in real life. I'm like a producer.
I go Visinus, See I am Bebby was like exactly, because.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I was like I would do this, I would do that,
and so we were just laughing. So I hope that
story can still play without the specific.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah, of course. Well, I mean I think I even
noticed it when you you like, I'm taking them off
the email like I'm said, you had immediately emailed me
and like, oh that's funny. I was just like, oh this,
this is like that.
Speaker 6 (09:15):
So funny exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
And then the funny thing is at the premieres, you're
the brilliant executives are all there too.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
They were at the premiere and I don't Jess, yes,
and then and.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Then the heads of twenty in the heads and women
and you know, Carrie Burke, the head of twentieth came up.
She was like, I think you're doing me, which I'm not.
But I had not met carry before, but I was like,
oh my god, that's so funny.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
That's so funny, that's so good. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
There's a shot in this episode where Bev Mellon sets
down a massive water bottle. Huge, it's so big and
we couldn't help but think is this related to Ben
Smith and his giant water bottle?
Speaker 3 (10:03):
If you don't remember, we talked about it with Ben
and Pete in episode three three.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, when we were talking about Rudy, here's John Hoffmann.
Speaker 8 (10:10):
You're going really deep here. I'm just gonna say, and
I'm going to expose some things and share some things
that are deep and maybe somewhat problematic. Now, yes, it
might have started with Ben Smith, who everyone in the
writer's room right le adores, including myself and Ben Smith though,
has the largest water jug anyone who's ever.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Seen, we heard, we learned to this.
Speaker 8 (10:38):
Ben Smith is carrying a big ass water jug. So okay,
and it's daunting to everyone. It's impressive, it's daunting, it's
all of those things. I sound like I'm making terrible
sexual metaphors. So it did find its way into which
does make a lot of sense. Also for a film
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executive in Hollywood, rigorous, keeping to discipline, keeping to keeping
it trim and fit, bev Melon had to have one
of those big things. Now, I will say there was
a big bit, a big physical, funny, insane bit that
we did have to trim out. Again, these episodes have
been so big and delightful and long as it's her
(11:21):
and Oliver. Oliver, you know, is talking to her about
junk and she's telling him, you know, you got to
watch out for Loretta with junk that's in there. But
then Marty Oliver is very you know, listen, I'm a
total body guy. I'm like, I work out, you know,
does all that. And then at some point he picked
(11:43):
up her water bottle and nearly fell over. It was
a very funny bit. But it was like he had
a lot of very funny bits about sort of being beefy.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Yeah, and viral. So it was like pick and choose
from a wealth of amazed choices.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
He does talk about it a lot. I take care
of my buddy too.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Yeah, you would describe me as a fit.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
When he was doing this master two times a week,
What did you say something or something like that?
Speaker 8 (12:15):
You know Jet johnk Right, the former Olympic swimmer, So
you know what that means, right, big ass arms, biggest legs.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Biggest No. I think to me, he is a perfectly
normal physique.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
In fact, he reminds me of me when I was
doing the elliptical.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Two times a week.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
The theme of doubles comes up very explicitly, and I
feel like doubles and twins has kind of been a
theme woven throughout the entire series, can you tell us
about that theme and maybe, like some of the other
times throughout the different seasons that we've seen it come up.
Speaker 8 (12:50):
Yes, I love that question because it's also like so
much of this season, particularly right is set up right
in that opening podcasting there of Charles where he's talking
about film, gives you an opportunity to look at, you know,
is that the me I used to be or the
me I want to be remembered like? Or is you know,
(13:11):
is there some version of that that I can better?
And the way in which reflecting on yourself can sort
of tether out into bigger things for yourself in your
life and in your you know, goals and ambitions and
your own sort of personal sort of expansion with friendships.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
And love lives and all of that.
Speaker 8 (13:33):
So that was one of the main things, but also
the genuine sort of like sort of doubles and doppelgangers
and everything else runs through this season in a specific way,
but it also feels like this was the moment to
look into both you know, obviously Sas and Charles is
the running mystery throughout the season, but it's also the
(13:56):
opportunity to look at In episode five, the screenwriter is
creating a movie based on these three people, so there's
an interpretation of them that he's doing, and they meanwhile
have done a podcast, so they are both sort of
(14:18):
looking at each other as the sort of central theme
of you know, feeling like impostors in sort of a
separate feeling from someone else writing about you, interpreting investigatively
what happened to someone who died in your building, and
how the disconnect between particularly Mabel and Marshall in that
(14:41):
moment in episode five, all of that reflective stuff plays
out between the brothers sisters as these twins that are
reflecting back on each other. And then certainly by the
end of five, when we get into that photo shoot
and the doppelgangers and the looks and the expansiveness and
how that can cause great confusion and great sort of mailstrom,
(15:02):
at the end of everything sort of feels like a
real big swing of an episode that way.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Totally, And then you get the call.
Speaker 9 (15:12):
They're making your movie.
Speaker 7 (15:14):
You're a real writer. Now you're convinced the voice in
your head, the one that says you're a fraud, is
finally going to go away, except it doesn't, and you
start to wonder if it ever will.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
But I think we all feel that way, right.
Speaker 8 (15:31):
So it's like I know when I started writing, and
still when I start writing, anytime I have to start
something new, I really genuinely think, like, oh, for God's sake,
don't I don't even think I have any talent this way,
I can't. I have nothing to start where I've had nothing.
It's always a starting over feeling of for me in
a lot of ways, just disconnect from any authority over it.
(15:54):
So you always sort of are struggling with imposter syndrome.
I think if if you want it to be something good,
which I think is the intention of most of us
trying to do anything totally.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Yeah, Yeah, after the break, more doubles and impostors and mirrors.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Welcome back. We're talking with John Hoffman, show runner co creator,
all about episode five, where the doubles have turned to
triples and quadruples. But season four is not the first
time we've been introduced to the idea of a double.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Well, another one that we noticed from you know, a
few seasons before. But Cinda and all of her minions
that are all like kind of little dopplegangers of herself too.
It's just we see all this this theme.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
You're talking across this series.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah, oh yeah, I mean, and you know, Charles and
Sas are the original Doubles series, and the Doubles have
been the mirror has been broken.
Speaker 8 (17:00):
You know, my god, you're totally calling out, like exactly
the thing that we've been doing that sometimes. I like
when you say it, I'm like, all right. And Alice
in season two is making yeah, a whole mirror image
of Mabel's apartments.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yes, yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
We've got to stop many, We've got to really stop it.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Clearly so cliche, as the Brothers sisters would.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
Say, cliche, Maggie, that's exactly right.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
To bring it back to the writer of the movie,
Marshall P.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Pope.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Marshall P.
Speaker 8 (17:40):
Pope, Yes, because there was a thing that was cut
and I was sad to cut it, but we were
just That was a big first episode of this season,
season four, where when Bev Mellon is at the table
sort of introducing everybody. There was one moment when she
introduced marsh and she said the writer of the movie
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Marshall P. Pope, and he had to stop her and say,
wait a minute, it's Marshall pe Pope and she's like, yeah,
that's what I said.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Marshall pea Pope.
Speaker 8 (18:13):
And and they're like, nobody, you're putting the emphasis on
p and it's and it should be emphasis on Pope.
So it's a very funny exchange they had back and
forth about his name.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
So I would have remembered it if that had stayed in.
Speaker 8 (18:26):
Yeah, yeah, you would have watched that scene in rehearsal
marsh Pope, Marshall p Pope Like no, it's Marshall p Pope.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Marsh Pa Pope. That's what I'm saying, Marshall pea Pope.
So we learned that he's obsessed with Charliekauffman. Charlie Coffman made.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Some pretty strange films. Strange films, you know, adaptation for example,
the title of this.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Brother Sisters are literally weird. Yes, So we were kind
of wondering, like, how weird is this movie that he's
writing gonna be? You know, if he's such a big
Charlie Cofman fan, we've got these brothers sisters directing.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
You're reminding me of a moment.
Speaker 8 (19:13):
I was seated because this is ridiculous life that turns
into you have moments that you're like, really, this is
what's happening. But I was at a dinner with Meryl
Streep and we were talking about how much fun the
show has been and how like, and I think someone
Steve or Marty said something like, oh, I think that
people are going to love season three and Meryl said, well,
(19:35):
I don't know, and I'm like, what you don't know?
Speaker 5 (19:37):
And she said, well, do you not realize your show
is odd?
Speaker 8 (19:41):
He said not everyone might like take to it, she's
because it's odd, and I was like, it's I guess
it is a little odd. So I mean, yeah, so
there's something about the way in which you approach material
that is specific, and if you're coming with a point
of view, a vision, or whatever they want to call it,
(20:03):
you're going to come with And I've had a lot
of people say that I am all over this show
and I'm like what does that mean? And they're like,
if you know you, it's that thing that is specific,
and I'm like, oh, specific, And now it's of course
specifically odd in Merril's so I do think, you know,
(20:25):
any artistic endeavor is going to be imbued with a
nervous guy who's how do I make a script, work
on a podcast, and this trio that is, you know
across the country that I don't know, and then how
do the brothers sisters match up with that and what
do they do to sort of create something that feels
(20:46):
a little different. So it felt all very Charlie Kaufman
esque in the process, because a lot of Charlie Kaufman
stuff does reflective stuff, does mirror images, and all of that.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Was anything ever written for the movie? Yeah, okay, I'm
excited to see, well, we see it. I'm excited to
see some stuff.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
You may may see something. Yeah, yeah, well you've seen
an episode four. You saw Howard auditioning.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
We did, we did, but but Josh Gad got the part.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
Unfortune, I won't see anymore from Howard.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
So we also we love Howard becoming the production assistant
or not a production assistant, what is it? A liaison
and on set documentarian and liaison. He was working at
the theater before we found out he runs the escape room.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
How does Howard keep getting these How do you think
he keeps getting these jobs? Do you do you have
an explanation for it?
Speaker 8 (21:48):
I do. He insinuates himself into every possible situation he
can get into, set himself up either next to or
near to, or become closest to to, then become the
most important person in the room. That is a great
trade of Howard's and I love the way Michael plays that.
It's sort of like it never ending delight to me
(22:09):
to watch him insinuate himself, become an authority in a
place he has no business in act like the authority
of it, and then start gossiping about everyone until everyone's
tired him.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
It's great.
Speaker 10 (22:24):
Well, I keep saying, like Howard was going to be
part of this movie and whether it kills him like
he had to be part of the movie.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
That's Michael Cyril Creighton. He plays Howard.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
We'll be hearing him a little bit throughout the entire
rest of this season of the podcast, basically like the show.
Speaker 10 (22:41):
So he's tenacious, he wants to be part of a group.
He's trying to figure out. What I love about him
is that he is constantly trying to figure out what
he's good at, and a lot of times it's trial
and error and he's failing. We'll see how this goes
this season, but you know he's not willing to not
be part of the group, and he is shameless when
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it comes to inserting himself in the situations.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Last season, he was I don't know what the role
was sweeping, Yeah, what like a stage hand of some kind.
Speaker 10 (23:11):
He was the director's assistants assisted assistant director. I guess assistant.
I wouldn't say he was the assistant director. I'd say
he was the assistant to the director director.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Yeah, there's a standing on it feels like flypaper.
Speaker 11 (23:26):
It's a tacking mat production thing. I work here now,
know all the words comtext, go between it, up and
over grit.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
I can continue, I can't.
Speaker 11 (23:35):
He gets the dust off your shoes. You don't track
anything into the sister's nest. It's a kickoff gift from
either She has a full line of sticky products, boop tape,
woe glue.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
She's huge and adhesives.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
Anyway, that's a wrap on me.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
I gotta go.
Speaker 11 (23:48):
Martini too shot that best.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Way, so I think it's hilarious when he just shows up.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
That was a late edition.
Speaker 10 (23:53):
I think that scene where he's saying all the terms,
I loved it. That was so good though all the
film terms. That was a great add to the episode.
But It's so funny. What I love about him is
that he's like almost constantly always role playing, So I'm like,
who is the real Howard exactly?
Speaker 6 (24:11):
Always sort of a different character.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Will Howard is finding a new identity as a professional.
In the movie, Mabel is finally able to identify as
a podcast producer.
Speaker 7 (24:22):
Well, you you know, we we have a podcast, So
you are a podsmith, a crime fluencer.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
How about podcast producer?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I'm a podcast producer.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
I'm a podcast producer.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
No, but it's more like I'm a podcast producer. Yeah,
you don't have to overdo it.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
You could just say, oh, I'm a podcast producer.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
I'm a podcast producer.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
But why is that so scary to say out out?
Speaker 9 (24:50):
Maybe because you're a producer on a podcast about a
crime that has forty thousand suspect.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
I want to ask you what you thought of that moment?
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Hello, that's John.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
And again, when you tell people what you do, how
do you do it?
Speaker 4 (25:04):
I'm going to tell you, John, let me tell you this.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Ryan used to be so bad at describing what he
did for a living that everybody thought he was a
porn director. Everybody thought that that was what he was
not saying and I kept having to explain he's actually
not making porn, He's making podcasts. I'm so sorry that
he's so bad at describing. This literally happened all the time.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
I mean, the podcasts are about porn.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Well, I mean, obviously.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
That is hysterical.
Speaker 8 (25:37):
This all goes back to Mabels. I love that moment
first of all, for the way the three of them
are playing. To watch Selena find her way to that
is She's just a delight in those moments.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
You know, it's all that stuff.
Speaker 8 (25:50):
It's like when I was an actor telling someone you
were you know, when I was acting more in my
earlier life, even when I started writing, you know, I'm
a writer, you know, to say those things out loud.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
And kind of back to the imposter thing.
Speaker 8 (26:04):
It's always, you know, until there's the thing that people, god,
what have you done? You're like, well, you know, I've
done it, but you wouldn't know, like that kind of
thing you're doing that dance. And when do you finally
own some not you know, identification with, but at least
the ability to sort of say this is what I do,
(26:28):
And when do you give yourself allowance for that is
a really interesting question.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
I think and mm hmm, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
I feel like I identify with that that journey that
Mabel's on of self discovery and finding what her you know,
settling into your gifts.
Speaker 9 (26:43):
Maybe.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
I mean, it took me a long time trusting at
saying I'm a podcast.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
He's gotten much better at describing what he does.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
It's good you too.
Speaker 8 (26:55):
I think it's I think you're right, And I think
it's that discomfort that I think is so so it's
connective and watching someone you know who I always talk
to friends who have kids who are maybe early adolescents,
and some of them know exactly what they want to do,
and I think, boy, what a gift.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
And I really felt that too when I was young.
I really did.
Speaker 8 (27:19):
And I watched really talented friends of mine who had
like twelve different directions they could go, and it was
hard for them to land on something. So I think Mabel,
you know, Mabel was like had a lot going on
through those years till the point where, like, God, when
am I going to land on something that says this
is what I do? And God knows, you know, a
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podcast with these two crazy guys in her building about
murders isn't naturally where she went when she would have gone,
you know, where she would have gone when she was
in her adolescence, to say that's what that's what I am,
that's what I want to be.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Yeah, she wouldn't have pulled that idea out of thing,
I don't think though he needed.
Speaker 7 (27:59):
It.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Took them fall into it. Yeah, well, and it took
I think the help of them to say like this
is what you do.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Clear, Yeah, that support the people.
Speaker 8 (28:07):
Yeah, and you get a firm like Marshall does too,
and says Marshall says, look what you've done.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
Are you crazy? But you're having trouble saying it? You're
not impostors? Yeah, exactly, you get that like, oh yeah,
I guess Okay, that's one way I know. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, And that and that ties back to, you know,
the way you see yourself and the way other people
see you, and the disconnect between those things. Which one's
the truth?
Speaker 7 (28:31):
You know?
Speaker 5 (28:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (28:33):
The only thing that gets you over imposter syndrome is
actually doing the thing you want to.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
Be better at. Mabel I figured out the how it
wasn't one person who did the murder, It was too
want to shoot and want to clean up?
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Now, which two people could have.
Speaker 7 (28:51):
Done it, putting ideas together till they make some kind
of sense, until you've got something that you did, something
you figured out, or it all makes less sense and
then it's time for another rewrite.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
At the end of this episode, we are doing a
photo shoot and there are so many Charles's, there are
so many Mabels, there are so many Olivers. I'm just
curious about putting that together and was it ever confusing?
And just continue to tell me a little bit about
on set. Yeah, about that onset experience.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
For me, there were never enough is through there.
Speaker 8 (29:31):
I genuinely wanted it to be like just confused, confused, confuse,
confused as much as possible. So that way, and Jessica you,
who directed this so beautifully the fifth and sixth episodes,
had just a great handle on how to sort of
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manage all of that because it got very complex. There
are mirrors there and we're shooting in this space. We
had one day to shoot this incredibly big photo shoot day. Wow,
So it was a big, big task and she did
so beautifully and handling it masterfully.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
So but it really was.
Speaker 8 (30:12):
It had to build to the end of episode five
and feel like Pandemonium had just broken out.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
So I liked. I liked as much confusion as we
could get.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Did you ever walk over and say, like Steve, Steve
and then Eugene Levy turns around.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
Or you know, yes, no, that really did happen.
Speaker 8 (30:32):
And that day shooting in that photo shoot was crazy
because everyone within you know, so there were a lot
of people more than that. We were shooting downtown New York,
and it was a very crowded day in that photo
shoot day that we were shooting, just to mean it,
like around the set, like so people were visiting set
that day because we were downtown New York and people
lived nearby. Sas Goldberg came over, Steve's wife Anne came over,
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and many of our famous people had friends dropping by.
It was a crazy day of hanging out and fun
and laughing and oh do we have to shoot now?
Speaker 5 (31:04):
You know, so like one of those things. So it
was really great. But what was the original question?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
I forget asked if you ever tapped or you know,
you were trying to talk to Steve but you turned
around and it was Eugene or someone someone the wrong
person when since they were all also dressed the same too,
everyone looked the same.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
Well, can I tell you the big one for me?
Speaker 8 (31:25):
And I I mean, I still have in my head
I would be next to Paul Rudd for I want
to say, five minutes and not realize it was him.
It was that wig on him that made him look
like Oliver and and what and the way he plays
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Glenn Stubbins.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
As like I wish I could share, like if the
idea that.
Speaker 8 (31:52):
It's Paul Rudd and he is the most minor person
in that room playing because of the character he's playing, yes,
and he's being told get off stage and do all
that you know, and then that moment when he comes
over and goes wien Er to Wiener, It's a great
one that was not planned outside of it was scripted.
(32:17):
It was not planned what Paul might do to exhibit
wien Or to Wiener. And I will never forget Marty.
We did it several times and each time it went
deeper Wiener and Marty Marty really literally will still doesn't
stop talking about it. He said, I have known Paul
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Rudd and he's very good friends. Those guys very good
friends for many years. Really, but he said, Paul Rud's
commitment coming in and he said all of a sudden,
he's up against me in this way that no one's
really ever been. And then there was one take where
I swear there was a moment we were going to
make out, and I was like, what is he doing?
Speaker 5 (33:02):
But it was it's it's the.
Speaker 8 (33:04):
Genius short holding it together and Zach Zach would lose it.
Jack was out of the frame a lot of times,
like I'm not believing what I'm seeing.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Oh, it's so funny.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
That's a great story.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
That was a great moment. In my notes, all I
wrote was.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Both of us wrote, comes up.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
When we're I know, well, when we're taking notes, we're
watching and so we're just kind of jotting down, like
all the things we noticed, so sometimes the most ridiculous
things that don't I look at him like, what does
that mean?
Speaker 5 (33:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
I just wrote down Wiener.
Speaker 5 (33:39):
I don't know if you know we we we had
her do it so many different ways.
Speaker 8 (33:43):
That read and and just the way she is as
an actress, like finding that character in that way, and
just the seriousness of which she and her lower register
just weed to Weeder was just a perfect read.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Good that's it for today.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Something I was just remembering that we didn't talk about
in the last episode is that I loved how they
did the Only Murders theme music, but in the style
of James.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, that was so so fun. If
we can get sit on here again, I would love
to talk to him about it.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
About that. Yeah, we have received a lot of emails
this week, some entries in or escape Room giveaway and
some theories. If you haven't entered into the Escape Room
giveaway and you want to go, you're near New York
or Los Angeles, enter enter. All right, here's what y'all
have been emailing about.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Tara and Alyssa think there should be an Only Murders
themed Oh hell card deck. Great idea, great idea.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
I do think they play with regular playing cards, but
it would be fun to have like a themed deck
which totally only Murders, right, I would love it. Sarah
El remembered from last season directors talking about shooting props
and things as clues. I noticed some interesting ones in
this season, so listeners see what you see.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Keep an eye out. Vinya suspects a connection between the
barkeeper and Brazos because of the bar in the background
during Charles's flashback.
Speaker 9 (35:13):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Melissa B and Yasenya f suspect Joy which we haven't
seen her.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
No Charles's ex who is now dating or fiance to Bacula.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Patty G wonders about connections between the story and the
film adaptation, perhaps even a big clue to the murderer.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
She also noticed Rudy's Christmas sweater is the same as
Ryan Reynold's Christmas weater? Is that a famous Christmas weadder?
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Apparently I didn't know, but apparently Velyn M suspects Marshall
twenty ten vision Very good for a sniper, Very good observation.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Thanks also to Anna B from Miami who thinks it's
one of the two.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Sisters, and Vinnie S. Who suspects Anna with the rifle
from Dudonof's apartment, Tawny with lifting the body and burning it,
and Trina doing mop up. Clean up situation.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Interesting, lots of theories. We did our best to try
to explain them, but we know we did a bad job,
so probably the better place to discuss this would be Reddit.
So on that note, here is Hannah with what Reddit's
been talking about.
Speaker 9 (36:17):
Hey, Maggie, Ryan and listeners. After another crazy cliffhanger. Were
officially halfway down with the season, and I am back
with a fresh batch of theories from the Only Murders subreddit. Firstly,
we have a theory from affection at Clerk one seven
six about the cliffhanger that ties in with the season's
theme of doubles. They say the third Charles is still
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in the makeup chair at the end of episode five.
If that's an actual gun we heard, I bet that
Charles stand in double will be the victim. Everyone heard
the brothers sisters announced Charles was going to make up
and this could be another mistaken identity target. It would
parallel to Charles Sas Malviicks, which where Charles announced he
was going somewhere before a lookalike took a hit for him.
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Then this episode we were properly introduced to Marshall, who
we now know has secrets, such as his fake beard.
He tells the trio he has an alibi, which we
don't actually see, so people are quite skeptical about it.
Shake your Kitty says, Marshall is very suspicious right now.
He clearly did not write the script, and I've seen
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great theories about Sas being the one who actually wrote
the script, so Marshall could have killed her to take
her place as a scriptwriter. We also have procrastinat or
seven with evidence supporting this theory. Marshall's one of our killers.
He has motive, the ability to kill, and far more
evidence against him than any other character in the show.
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Why would he kill Sas because Sas wrote the movie
in episode five, Marshall's script describes all three of the
character's movements around the clue board with spot on accuracy.
And obviously podcasts are in audio medium, so Marshall would
have no way to see our trio in person. But
Sas has many times the script is far too accurate
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to be written by Marshall. Charles says he's never seen
himself portrait so accurately before, and the script is very
complimentary of him. Now, Sas new Charles more than anyone,
and of course she'd be extremely complimentary of him. Marshall
being the killer would fit perfectly with the theme of
his character, as he truly has imposter syndrome because he
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stole the script. Now, another popular theory on the sub
at the moment is that there aren't actually three killers.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
Rather than two.
Speaker 9 (38:39):
Hal Jordan eight eight eight says, I'm starting to think
that there might be three killers and not just two.
I think the photo shoot might be hinting at three
because there was someone from the building, someone from Hollywood,
and a stunt actor. The three killers could be one
from each spot. I personally love this idea because there's
such an emphasis on doubles this season that three killers
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would be a pretty cool twist. Shake or Kitty also
pointed out something I found really interesting. They say, there's
a Western movie named The Sisters Brothers where those brothers
are assassins, which could be a hint that our brother's
siblings could be assassins. Now, it seems too easy for
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the killers to be the twin producers, but what if
the brothers were actually triplets? Could Marshall be a third
brother's sibling? And then Zesti close detail three six '
nine has another idea as to who could be a
potential third brother's sibling. They ask, does anyone else think
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the brothers sisters look like the Westies Sauce family's daughter.
What if they're all related and that's how they got
access to the Dudonov apartment to shoot? Moving on, we
also have an interesting theory from Time Entrepreneur five to seven,
who has as they call it, a Jon Key theory.
(40:03):
My new lead is Loretta and Jack johnk. In the
latest episode, the trio obsesses over someone muscular as the
carrier of the body to the incinerator, and they mentioned
that Jack is a former Olympic swimmer, which leads me
to believe he was the mover of the dead body.
The motive would be that Loretta desperately wanted Oliver to
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come to Los Angeles, and maybe her intention was to
kill Charles so Oliver would have nothing keeping him in
New York City. And finally we have Queasy Spites six
I Want two with perhaps my favorite theory so far.
They say solved that Hammi fay Baker has an evil stunt.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
Pig love that.
Speaker 9 (40:47):
So let's see if episode six proves some of these
theories rights or if we are headed in another direction altogether.
I'll be back next week with more from the Only
Murders in the Buildings have Reddit.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Thanks for listening to this episode of the Only Murders
in the Building podcast. Please send your thoughts and theories
to us at Only Murders at straw Hutmedia dot com
You can send us a voice memo and we might
play it on the show.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
If you enjoy the show, take a minute to subscribe, rate,
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the Building Podcast is a production of straw Hut Media,
hosted and produced by Ryan Tillotson and Maggie Bowles. Associate
producer is Stephen Markley. Original music by Kyle Merritt and
Only Murders in the Building theme music by Sadartha Kosla.
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Assistant editor is Daniel Ferreira and production assistant is Caroline Mendoza.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Thanks to Molly Shannon and Michael Scheraul Creighton for talking
with us this week, and thanks to Hannah over at Reddit, and.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
A big, big thanks as always to John Hoffman and
the entire Hulu team.
Speaker 5 (41:52):
Bye.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
She also noticed Rudy's xmth sweater is the same as
Ryan as Ryan Reynolds xmsths sweater, which apparently it's xmas.
You wrote xmuths, so I'm saying short for Christmas.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
Just say Christmas like a normal person.
Straw Hot Media.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I always want to be respectful to my fellow performers.
It's a tennis match, you work together. But and I
like if people are wild with me. I just like
being kind of wild. So yes, that does come from
the stage show Saturday Night Live.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Welcome back to the Only Murders in the Building Podcast.
I am Maggie Bowles.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
And I'm Ryan Tillotson.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
We are looking behind.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
The scenes and mining for clues as we meet the
cast and creators of the Hulu original series Only Murders
in the Building.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Today on the show, we are continuing our conversation all
about season four, episode five adaptation. If you haven't seen
episode five, or if you haven't listened to part one
of this week's podcasts, go do both those things first,
because today we're talking to the amazing Molly Shannon.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Iconic comedy legend Molly Shannon, who plays of course, Bev Mellon.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
We'll catch up with Schouvener co creator John Hoffman, and
we'll hear from Michael Cyril Crichton, who plays Howard.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I like today's episode, Ryan, what do listeners have to
look forward to?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Maybe a little bit about what Molly Shannon has in
common with Bev Mellon.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
How about Howard's new job as on set documentarian and talentles.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
What about Paul Rudd's interpretation of Wien or de Wiener?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
I know how much you like.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yes, let's start off with Molly Shannon.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
So can you tell us a little bit about who
who Bev Mellon is?
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Well?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Bev Mellon is a Hollywood producer who wears pink suits,
and she's all business, and she's trying to get the
rights to their life rights so that she can make
a movie about the Only Murders podcast she wants to
turn into a movie. And she's all business.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
She is she is a boss lady. Yeah, making things
happen girls. I mean, do you do you know a
Bev Mellon type or have you worked.
Speaker 6 (01:58):
With a velin you?
Speaker 7 (02:00):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (02:00):
Yes, it's I definitely have.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yes, I've worked with like the good version of Beb Mellan,
like a real hustler and like can do attitude, and
then the like the lame versions too, like the ones
that don't do that much work. But I consider Bev
Mellan a very hard worker. She likes she gets a
job done.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Oh yeah, she just shows up.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, she shows up, but it's not based on anybody
in particular. It's just a general general idea and yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah, No, Bev is extremely hard worker. Okay, well, we
have an idea of how this happened, but we'd love
to know how you got involved in the show.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I'm not sure if you know, but John Hoffman, the creator,
brilliant showrunner, and I have been friends for I mean, well,
I have to ask John, but I think it's maybe
like thirty years or something. We met years ago when
I was doing my stage show in La. It was
called The Robin Molly Show. And John came to my
(02:57):
show and then I came to his show. Just became
friends and started hanging out and going out for dinner.
And I was such a fan of his work and
he was a fan of mine, and we've just been
friends ever since.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Oh yeah, it's great. I love it.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I think it was JJ and John together that were like,
Molly would be good as Beb mellon.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
JJ.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Philbin my good friend in La. Oh she is. She
and I work together on Saturday Night Live and she's
an amazing you know, producer writer on the show. So
JJ and I worked together years ago at SNL we
wrote together, so it was so great to be reunited
with JJ. But JJ's the one who initially told me
she goes. Everybody's so happy on the set. It's like
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the happiest set, And I was like, JJ is right.
Everybody is just so excited to be there. And then
it really is like a party off camera too. It
feels like you're at like a really fun party with
like Steve and Eugene and everybody just talking, and Marty
and Steve order tuna fish sandwiches and potato chips for lunch,
and I was.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
Like, I want tuna fish.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
And then we all talked and laugh and tell stories
and then oh my god, there's Meryl Street and there's
Selena and Allie and it was.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
Just so great.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
And Steve's doing magic, I hear, and everyone's yearning how
to play Oh hell, did you play any.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I didn't seem too magic, but Keep and I would
just talk and you know, have so much fun.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
What would you say is your maybe it's impossible question,
your biggest takeaway from the whole the whole production.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
One thing I was going to say was this is
what I'll say about John Hoffman. John Hoffman was like, Molly,
do you want to do the show? And I was
like yes, And then I was like, but the only
thing is is my son's on spring break during this
time when we're shooting. And he's like, okay, what are
the dates? And I was like, cause I really do
need to be off during that time. And he's like, okay,
so organized, Okay, okay, no problem all we'll have you
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off during that period. And I'm thinking John did this,
does this for probably like five hundred people, like he
is that involved in everyone. We got to cut that, okay?
And that scene Okay, that limp, that's cent edit had
to be talking to this executive twentieth century. He's doing
that to everyone and makes them feel so as if
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that is his only thing that he has to deal with.
But that's why the show is so good. That's why
it's brilliant, that's why it's on. It starts at the top.
He does that for everyone. That does that make sense?
And that really does not happen in a lot of places.
They might push that job off to someone else and
it could be mishandled or but John's doing all that,
(05:31):
crossing his t's dotting his eyes thinking of these character arcs,
writing these beautiful parts.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
For women men. You know what I mean. That's John Hoffman.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
It's so impressive. And every time we talk to him,
like just his knowledge of the details of every episode,
of every scene is just like, how is he how
is he keeping it all in his brain? I just
don't understand. It's wild, wild.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
So wild, right, because you have to have the murder plot,
the dramatic part, and then adding funny stuff on top
of that. But you have to make sure the dramatic
storyline plays and the mystery part those are different types
of writing, and then comedy jokes, jokes that come from character.
That's separate, right, But you have to have the emotional
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baseline first and the mystery component of story. That's hard
to think through a whole season, you know, I don't know,
that's really hard.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
It's impressive.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I'm constantly impressed the same same. So so you would say, John,
maybe is your biggest takeaway.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yes, Sean is our biggest takeaway? Yes, but no, it
was an absolute dream. It was such a fun job
and we just had the premiere and we had so
much fun at the premiere.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
And it was it was so great. Yes, yeah, so great.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
We know from all of the years of talking about
this show with all of the creators that for the part,
the show is very very tightly scripted and very well scripted.
But we also know that Molly Shannon shared notes on
scripts with Ellen JJ.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
We know that from last week.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I'll have a general idea of what I want to do,
but I want to be really loose and spontaneous and
wild in the moment, like make it kind of wild.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
That's what I would do, and you don't.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
You don't always have the freedom to do that because
you know, I always want to be respectful of everybody's
time and not waste time. But it's so nice if
you can kind of make it wild, shake it up
while they got those cameras rolling.
Speaker 6 (07:32):
So that's what I kind of call.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Make it wild. If you can be a little wild,
do it. The cameras are running, let's fucking do it,
you know what I mean, Let's make it wild like.
So that's what I kind of like to do. And
when that does happen, it's so fun.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
But especially if everyone's game for it.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, if everyone's I always want to be respectful to
my fellow performers.
Speaker 6 (07:55):
It's a tennis match. You work together.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
But and I like if people are wild with me,
I just like being kind of wild. So yes, that
does come from the stage show Saturday Night Live, the
stage show. I would kind of know if I was
doing Merk Kapain Gallah, for example, live on stage, I
know I'm going to come out, introduce myself, try to
get the part in the movie, and then leave. So
I have a I have an idea of the beats,
(08:18):
and then I want to be loose within those beats.
Speaker 6 (08:21):
Yeah, it's kind of like that, so I still approach
it the same way.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
Yeah, so good.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
And wait, I have one more funny thing.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
John Hoffman in real life, since we're friends, we were
just I'm not going to get into the specifics, but
it was like a like a something that had to
do with business about the show behind the scenes, and
it was like a cast related or whatever, and we
were discussing something and I was giving advice like dada
da da da, and I was like, see, I really.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
Am beb Mellon in real life. I'm like a producer.
I go Visinus, See I am Bebby was like exactly, because.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I was like I would do this, I would do that,
and so we were just laughing. So I hope that
story can still play without the specific.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah, of course. Well, I mean I think I even
noticed it when you you like, I'm taking them off
the email like I'm said, you had immediately emailed me
and like, oh that's funny. I was just like, oh this,
this is like that.
Speaker 6 (09:15):
So funny exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
And then the funny thing is at the premieres, you're
the brilliant executives are all there too.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
They were at the premiere and I don't Jess, yes,
and then and.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Then the heads of twenty in the heads and women
and you know, Carrie Burke, the head of twentieth came up.
She was like, I think you're doing me, which I'm not.
But I had not met carry before, but I was like,
oh my god, that's so funny.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
That's so funny, that's so good. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
There's a shot in this episode where Bev Mellon sets
down a massive water bottle. Huge, it's so big and
we couldn't help but think is this related to Ben
Smith and his giant water bottle?
Speaker 3 (10:03):
If you don't remember, we talked about it with Ben
and Pete in episode three three.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, when we were talking about Rudy, here's John Hoffmann.
Speaker 8 (10:10):
You're going really deep here. I'm just gonna say, and
I'm going to expose some things and share some things
that are deep and maybe somewhat problematic. Now, yes, it
might have started with Ben Smith, who everyone in the
writer's room right le adores, including myself and Ben Smith though,
has the largest water jug anyone who's ever.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Seen, we heard, we learned to this.
Speaker 8 (10:38):
Ben Smith is carrying a big ass water jug. So okay,
and it's daunting to everyone. It's impressive, it's daunting, it's
all of those things. I sound like I'm making terrible
sexual metaphors. So it did find its way into which
does make a lot of sense. Also for a film
(10:58):
executive in Hollywood, rigorous, keeping to discipline, keeping to keeping
it trim and fit, bev Melon had to have one
of those big things. Now, I will say there was
a big bit, a big physical, funny, insane bit that
we did have to trim out. Again, these episodes have
been so big and delightful and long as it's her
(11:21):
and Oliver. Oliver, you know, is talking to her about
junk and she's telling him, you know, you got to
watch out for Loretta with junk that's in there. But
then Marty Oliver is very you know, listen, I'm a
total body guy. I'm like, I work out, you know,
does all that. And then at some point he picked
(11:43):
up her water bottle and nearly fell over. It was
a very funny bit. But it was like he had
a lot of very funny bits about sort of being beefy.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Yeah, and viral. So it was like pick and choose
from a wealth of amazed choices.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
He does talk about it a lot. I take care
of my buddy too.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Yeah, you would describe me as a fit.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
When he was doing this master two times a week,
What did you say something or something like that?
Speaker 8 (12:15):
You know Jet johnk Right, the former Olympic swimmer, So
you know what that means, right, big ass arms, biggest legs.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Biggest No. I think to me, he is a perfectly
normal physique.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
In fact, he reminds me of me when I was
doing the elliptical.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Two times a week.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
The theme of doubles comes up very explicitly, and I
feel like doubles and twins has kind of been a
theme woven throughout the entire series, can you tell us
about that theme and maybe, like some of the other
times throughout the different seasons that we've seen it come up.
Speaker 8 (12:50):
Yes, I love that question because it's also like so
much of this season, particularly right is set up right
in that opening podcasting there of Charles where he's talking
about film, gives you an opportunity to look at, you know,
is that the me I used to be or the
me I want to be remembered like? Or is you know,
(13:11):
is there some version of that that I can better?
And the way in which reflecting on yourself can sort
of tether out into bigger things for yourself in your
life and in your you know, goals and ambitions and
your own sort of personal sort of expansion with friendships.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
And love lives and all of that.
Speaker 8 (13:33):
So that was one of the main things, but also
the genuine sort of like sort of doubles and doppelgangers
and everything else runs through this season in a specific way,
but it also feels like this was the moment to
look into both you know, obviously Sas and Charles is
the running mystery throughout the season, but it's also the
(13:56):
opportunity to look at In episode five, the screenwriter is
creating a movie based on these three people, so there's
an interpretation of them that he's doing, and they meanwhile
have done a podcast, so they are both sort of
(14:18):
looking at each other as the sort of central theme
of you know, feeling like impostors in sort of a
separate feeling from someone else writing about you, interpreting investigatively
what happened to someone who died in your building, and
how the disconnect between particularly Mabel and Marshall in that
(14:41):
moment in episode five, all of that reflective stuff plays
out between the brothers sisters as these twins that are
reflecting back on each other. And then certainly by the
end of five, when we get into that photo shoot
and the doppelgangers and the looks and the expansiveness and
how that can cause great confusion and great sort of mailstrom,
(15:02):
at the end of everything sort of feels like a
real big swing of an episode that way.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Totally, And then you get the call.
Speaker 9 (15:12):
They're making your movie.
Speaker 7 (15:14):
You're a real writer. Now you're convinced the voice in
your head, the one that says you're a fraud, is
finally going to go away, except it doesn't, and you
start to wonder if it ever will.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
But I think we all feel that way, right.
Speaker 8 (15:31):
So it's like I know when I started writing, and
still when I start writing, anytime I have to start
something new, I really genuinely think, like, oh, for God's sake,
don't I don't even think I have any talent this way,
I can't. I have nothing to start where I've had nothing.
It's always a starting over feeling of for me in
a lot of ways, just disconnect from any authority over it.
(15:54):
So you always sort of are struggling with imposter syndrome.
I think if if you want it to be something good,
which I think is the intention of most of us
trying to do anything totally.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Yeah, Yeah, after the break, more doubles and impostors and mirrors.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Welcome back. We're talking with John Hoffman, show runner co creator,
all about episode five, where the doubles have turned to
triples and quadruples. But season four is not the first
time we've been introduced to the idea of a double.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Well, another one that we noticed from you know, a
few seasons before. But Cinda and all of her minions
that are all like kind of little dopplegangers of herself too.
It's just we see all this this theme.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
You're talking across this series.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah, oh yeah, I mean, and you know, Charles and
Sas are the original Doubles series, and the Doubles have
been the mirror has been broken.
Speaker 8 (17:00):
You know, my god, you're totally calling out, like exactly
the thing that we've been doing that sometimes. I like
when you say it, I'm like, all right. And Alice
in season two is making yeah, a whole mirror image
of Mabel's apartments.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yes, yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
We've got to stop many, We've got to really stop it.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Clearly so cliche, as the Brothers sisters would.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
Say, cliche, Maggie, that's exactly right.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
To bring it back to the writer of the movie,
Marshall P.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Pope.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Marshall P.
Speaker 8 (17:40):
Pope, Yes, because there was a thing that was cut
and I was sad to cut it, but we were
just That was a big first episode of this season,
season four, where when Bev Mellon is at the table
sort of introducing everybody. There was one moment when she
introduced marsh and she said the writer of the movie
(18:01):
Marshall P. Pope, and he had to stop her and say,
wait a minute, it's Marshall pe Pope and she's like, yeah,
that's what I said.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Marshall pea Pope.
Speaker 8 (18:13):
And and they're like, nobody, you're putting the emphasis on
p and it's and it should be emphasis on Pope.
So it's a very funny exchange they had back and
forth about his name.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
So I would have remembered it if that had stayed in.
Speaker 8 (18:26):
Yeah, yeah, you would have watched that scene in rehearsal
marsh Pope, Marshall p Pope Like no, it's Marshall p Pope.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Marsh Pa Pope. That's what I'm saying, Marshall pea Pope.
So we learned that he's obsessed with Charliekauffman. Charlie Coffman made.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Some pretty strange films. Strange films, you know, adaptation for example,
the title of this.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Brother Sisters are literally weird. Yes, So we were kind
of wondering, like, how weird is this movie that he's
writing gonna be? You know, if he's such a big
Charlie Cofman fan, we've got these brothers sisters directing.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
You're reminding me of a moment.
Speaker 8 (19:13):
I was seated because this is ridiculous life that turns
into you have moments that you're like, really, this is
what's happening. But I was at a dinner with Meryl
Streep and we were talking about how much fun the
show has been and how like, and I think someone
Steve or Marty said something like, oh, I think that
people are going to love season three and Meryl said, well,
(19:35):
I don't know, and I'm like, what you don't know?
Speaker 5 (19:37):
And she said, well, do you not realize your show
is odd?
Speaker 8 (19:41):
He said not everyone might like take to it, she's
because it's odd, and I was like, it's I guess
it is a little odd. So I mean, yeah, so
there's something about the way in which you approach material
that is specific, and if you're coming with a point
of view, a vision, or whatever they want to call it,
(20:03):
you're going to come with And I've had a lot
of people say that I am all over this show
and I'm like what does that mean? And they're like,
if you know you, it's that thing that is specific,
and I'm like, oh, specific, And now it's of course
specifically odd in Merril's so I do think, you know,
(20:25):
any artistic endeavor is going to be imbued with a
nervous guy who's how do I make a script, work
on a podcast, and this trio that is, you know
across the country that I don't know, and then how
do the brothers sisters match up with that and what
do they do to sort of create something that feels
(20:46):
a little different. So it felt all very Charlie Kaufman
esque in the process, because a lot of Charlie Kaufman
stuff does reflective stuff, does mirror images, and all of that.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Was anything ever written for the movie? Yeah, okay, I'm
excited to see, well, we see it. I'm excited to
see some stuff.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
You may may see something. Yeah, yeah, well you've seen
an episode four. You saw Howard auditioning.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
We did, we did, but but Josh Gad got the part.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
Unfortune, I won't see anymore from Howard.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
So we also we love Howard becoming the production assistant
or not a production assistant, what is it? A liaison
and on set documentarian and liaison. He was working at
the theater before we found out he runs the escape room.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
How does Howard keep getting these How do you think
he keeps getting these jobs? Do you do you have
an explanation for it?
Speaker 8 (21:48):
I do. He insinuates himself into every possible situation he
can get into, set himself up either next to or
near to, or become closest to to, then become the
most important person in the room. That is a great
trade of Howard's and I love the way Michael plays that.
It's sort of like it never ending delight to me
(22:09):
to watch him insinuate himself, become an authority in a
place he has no business in act like the authority
of it, and then start gossiping about everyone until everyone's
tired him.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
It's great.
Speaker 10 (22:24):
Well, I keep saying, like Howard was going to be
part of this movie and whether it kills him like
he had to be part of the movie.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
That's Michael Cyril Creighton. He plays Howard.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
We'll be hearing him a little bit throughout the entire
rest of this season of the podcast, basically like the show.
Speaker 10 (22:41):
So he's tenacious, he wants to be part of a group.
He's trying to figure out. What I love about him
is that he is constantly trying to figure out what
he's good at, and a lot of times it's trial
and error and he's failing. We'll see how this goes
this season, but you know he's not willing to not
be part of the group, and he is shameless when
(23:02):
it comes to inserting himself in the situations.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Last season, he was I don't know what the role
was sweeping, Yeah, what like a stage hand of some kind.
Speaker 10 (23:11):
He was the director's assistants assisted assistant director. I guess assistant.
I wouldn't say he was the assistant director. I'd say
he was the assistant to the director director.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Yeah, there's a standing on it feels like flypaper.
Speaker 11 (23:26):
It's a tacking mat production thing. I work here now,
know all the words comtext, go between it, up and
over grit.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
I can continue, I can't.
Speaker 11 (23:35):
He gets the dust off your shoes. You don't track
anything into the sister's nest. It's a kickoff gift from
either She has a full line of sticky products, boop tape,
woe glue.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
She's huge and adhesives.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
Anyway, that's a wrap on me.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
I gotta go.
Speaker 11 (23:48):
Martini too shot that best.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Way, so I think it's hilarious when he just shows up.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
That was a late edition.
Speaker 10 (23:53):
I think that scene where he's saying all the terms,
I loved it. That was so good though all the
film terms. That was a great add to the episode.
But It's so funny. What I love about him is
that he's like almost constantly always role playing, So I'm like,
who is the real Howard exactly?
Speaker 6 (24:11):
Always sort of a different character.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Will Howard is finding a new identity as a professional.
In the movie, Mabel is finally able to identify as
a podcast producer.
Speaker 7 (24:22):
Well, you you know, we we have a podcast, So
you are a podsmith, a crime fluencer.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
How about podcast producer?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I'm a podcast producer.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
I'm a podcast producer.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
No, but it's more like I'm a podcast producer. Yeah,
you don't have to overdo it.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
You could just say, oh, I'm a podcast producer.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
I'm a podcast producer.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
But why is that so scary to say out out?
Speaker 9 (24:50):
Maybe because you're a producer on a podcast about a
crime that has forty thousand suspect.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
I want to ask you what you thought of that moment?
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Hello, that's John.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
And again, when you tell people what you do, how
do you do it?
Speaker 4 (25:04):
I'm going to tell you, John, let me tell you this.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Ryan used to be so bad at describing what he
did for a living that everybody thought he was a
porn director. Everybody thought that that was what he was
not saying and I kept having to explain he's actually
not making porn, He's making podcasts. I'm so sorry that
he's so bad at describing. This literally happened all the time.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
I mean, the podcasts are about porn.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Well, I mean, obviously.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
That is hysterical.
Speaker 8 (25:37):
This all goes back to Mabels. I love that moment
first of all, for the way the three of them
are playing. To watch Selena find her way to that
is She's just a delight in those moments.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
You know, it's all that stuff.
Speaker 8 (25:50):
It's like when I was an actor telling someone you
were you know, when I was acting more in my
earlier life, even when I started writing, you know, I'm
a writer, you know, to say those things out loud.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
And kind of back to the imposter thing.
Speaker 8 (26:04):
It's always, you know, until there's the thing that people, god,
what have you done? You're like, well, you know, I've
done it, but you wouldn't know, like that kind of
thing you're doing that dance. And when do you finally
own some not you know, identification with, but at least
the ability to sort of say this is what I do,
(26:28):
And when do you give yourself allowance for that is
a really interesting question.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
I think and mm hmm, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
I feel like I identify with that that journey that
Mabel's on of self discovery and finding what her you know,
settling into your gifts.
Speaker 9 (26:43):
Maybe.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
I mean, it took me a long time trusting at
saying I'm a podcast.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
He's gotten much better at describing what he does.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
It's good you too.
Speaker 8 (26:55):
I think it's I think you're right, And I think
it's that discomfort that I think is so so it's
connective and watching someone you know who I always talk
to friends who have kids who are maybe early adolescents,
and some of them know exactly what they want to do,
and I think, boy, what a gift.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
And I really felt that too when I was young.
I really did.
Speaker 8 (27:19):
And I watched really talented friends of mine who had
like twelve different directions they could go, and it was
hard for them to land on something. So I think Mabel,
you know, Mabel was like had a lot going on
through those years till the point where, like, God, when
am I going to land on something that says this
is what I do? And God knows, you know, a
(27:42):
podcast with these two crazy guys in her building about
murders isn't naturally where she went when she would have gone,
you know, where she would have gone when she was
in her adolescence, to say that's what that's what I am,
that's what I want to be.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Yeah, she wouldn't have pulled that idea out of thing,
I don't think though he needed.
Speaker 7 (27:59):
It.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Took them fall into it. Yeah, well, and it took
I think the help of them to say like this
is what you do.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Clear, Yeah, that support the people.
Speaker 8 (28:07):
Yeah, and you get a firm like Marshall does too,
and says Marshall says, look what you've done.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
Are you crazy? But you're having trouble saying it? You're
not impostors? Yeah, exactly, you get that like, oh yeah,
I guess Okay, that's one way I know. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, And that and that ties back to, you know,
the way you see yourself and the way other people
see you, and the disconnect between those things. Which one's
the truth?
Speaker 7 (28:31):
You know?
Speaker 5 (28:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (28:33):
The only thing that gets you over imposter syndrome is
actually doing the thing you want to.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
Be better at. Mabel I figured out the how it
wasn't one person who did the murder, It was too
want to shoot and want to clean up?
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Now, which two people could have.
Speaker 7 (28:51):
Done it, putting ideas together till they make some kind
of sense, until you've got something that you did, something
you figured out, or it all makes less sense and
then it's time for another rewrite.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
At the end of this episode, we are doing a
photo shoot and there are so many Charles's, there are
so many Mabels, there are so many Olivers. I'm just
curious about putting that together and was it ever confusing?
And just continue to tell me a little bit about
on set. Yeah, about that onset experience.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
For me, there were never enough is through there.
Speaker 8 (29:31):
I genuinely wanted it to be like just confused, confused, confuse,
confused as much as possible. So that way, and Jessica you,
who directed this so beautifully the fifth and sixth episodes,
had just a great handle on how to sort of
(29:52):
manage all of that because it got very complex. There
are mirrors there and we're shooting in this space. We
had one day to shoot this incredibly big photo shoot day. Wow,
So it was a big, big task and she did
so beautifully and handling it masterfully.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
So but it really was.
Speaker 8 (30:12):
It had to build to the end of episode five
and feel like Pandemonium had just broken out.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
So I liked. I liked as much confusion as we
could get.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Did you ever walk over and say, like Steve, Steve
and then Eugene Levy turns around.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
Or you know, yes, no, that really did happen.
Speaker 8 (30:32):
And that day shooting in that photo shoot was crazy
because everyone within you know, so there were a lot
of people more than that. We were shooting downtown New York,
and it was a very crowded day in that photo
shoot day that we were shooting, just to mean it,
like around the set, like so people were visiting set
that day because we were downtown New York and people
lived nearby. Sas Goldberg came over, Steve's wife Anne came over,
(30:55):
and many of our famous people had friends dropping by.
It was a crazy day of hanging out and fun
and laughing and oh do we have to shoot now?
Speaker 5 (31:04):
You know, so like one of those things. So it
was really great. But what was the original question?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
I forget asked if you ever tapped or you know,
you were trying to talk to Steve but you turned
around and it was Eugene or someone someone the wrong
person when since they were all also dressed the same too,
everyone looked the same.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
Well, can I tell you the big one for me?
Speaker 8 (31:25):
And I I mean, I still have in my head
I would be next to Paul Rudd for I want
to say, five minutes and not realize it was him.
It was that wig on him that made him look
like Oliver and and what and the way he plays
(31:45):
Glenn Stubbins.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
As like I wish I could share, like if the
idea that.
Speaker 8 (31:52):
It's Paul Rudd and he is the most minor person
in that room playing because of the character he's playing, yes,
and he's being told get off stage and do all
that you know, and then that moment when he comes
over and goes wien Er to Wiener, It's a great
one that was not planned outside of it was scripted.
(32:17):
It was not planned what Paul might do to exhibit
wien Or to Wiener. And I will never forget Marty.
We did it several times and each time it went
deeper Wiener and Marty Marty really literally will still doesn't
stop talking about it. He said, I have known Paul
(32:40):
Rudd and he's very good friends. Those guys very good
friends for many years. Really, but he said, Paul Rud's
commitment coming in and he said all of a sudden,
he's up against me in this way that no one's
really ever been. And then there was one take where
I swear there was a moment we were going to
make out, and I was like, what is he doing?
Speaker 5 (33:02):
But it was it's it's the.
Speaker 8 (33:04):
Genius short holding it together and Zach Zach would lose it.
Jack was out of the frame a lot of times,
like I'm not believing what I'm seeing.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Oh, it's so funny.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
That's a great story.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
That was a great moment. In my notes, all I
wrote was.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Both of us wrote, comes up.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
When we're I know, well, when we're taking notes, we're
watching and so we're just kind of jotting down, like
all the things we noticed, so sometimes the most ridiculous
things that don't I look at him like, what does
that mean?
Speaker 5 (33:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
I just wrote down Wiener.
Speaker 5 (33:39):
I don't know if you know we we we had
her do it so many different ways.
Speaker 8 (33:43):
That read and and just the way she is as
an actress, like finding that character in that way, and
just the seriousness of which she and her lower register
just weed to Weeder was just a perfect read.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Good that's it for today.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Something I was just remembering that we didn't talk about
in the last episode is that I loved how they
did the Only Murders theme music, but in the style
of James.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, that was so so fun. If
we can get sit on here again, I would love
to talk to him about it.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
About that. Yeah, we have received a lot of emails
this week, some entries in or escape Room giveaway and
some theories. If you haven't entered into the Escape Room
giveaway and you want to go, you're near New York
or Los Angeles, enter enter. All right, here's what y'all
have been emailing about.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Tara and Alyssa think there should be an Only Murders
themed Oh hell card deck. Great idea, great idea.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
I do think they play with regular playing cards, but
it would be fun to have like a themed deck
which totally only Murders, right, I would love it. Sarah
El remembered from last season directors talking about shooting props
and things as clues. I noticed some interesting ones in
this season, so listeners see what you see.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Keep an eye out. Vinya suspects a connection between the
barkeeper and Brazos because of the bar in the background
during Charles's flashback.
Speaker 9 (35:13):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Melissa B and Yasenya f suspect Joy which we haven't
seen her.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
No Charles's ex who is now dating or fiance to Bacula.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Patty G wonders about connections between the story and the
film adaptation, perhaps even a big clue to the murderer.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
She also noticed Rudy's Christmas sweater is the same as
Ryan Reynold's Christmas weater? Is that a famous Christmas weadder?
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Apparently I didn't know, but apparently Velyn M suspects Marshall
twenty ten vision Very good for a sniper, Very good observation.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Thanks also to Anna B from Miami who thinks it's
one of the two.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Sisters, and Vinnie S. Who suspects Anna with the rifle
from Dudonof's apartment, Tawny with lifting the body and burning it,
and Trina doing mop up. Clean up situation.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Interesting, lots of theories. We did our best to try
to explain them, but we know we did a bad job,
so probably the better place to discuss this would be Reddit.
So on that note, here is Hannah with what Reddit's
been talking about.
Speaker 9 (36:17):
Hey, Maggie, Ryan and listeners. After another crazy cliffhanger. Were
officially halfway down with the season, and I am back
with a fresh batch of theories from the Only Murders subreddit. Firstly,
we have a theory from affection at Clerk one seven
six about the cliffhanger that ties in with the season's
theme of doubles. They say the third Charles is still
(36:39):
in the makeup chair at the end of episode five.
If that's an actual gun we heard, I bet that
Charles stand in double will be the victim. Everyone heard
the brothers sisters announced Charles was going to make up
and this could be another mistaken identity target. It would
parallel to Charles Sas Malviicks, which where Charles announced he
was going somewhere before a lookalike took a hit for him.
(37:04):
Then this episode we were properly introduced to Marshall, who
we now know has secrets, such as his fake beard.
He tells the trio he has an alibi, which we
don't actually see, so people are quite skeptical about it.
Shake your Kitty says, Marshall is very suspicious right now.
He clearly did not write the script, and I've seen
(37:25):
great theories about Sas being the one who actually wrote
the script, so Marshall could have killed her to take
her place as a scriptwriter. We also have procrastinat or
seven with evidence supporting this theory. Marshall's one of our killers.
He has motive, the ability to kill, and far more
evidence against him than any other character in the show.
(37:46):
Why would he kill Sas because Sas wrote the movie
in episode five, Marshall's script describes all three of the
character's movements around the clue board with spot on accuracy.
And obviously podcasts are in audio medium, so Marshall would
have no way to see our trio in person. But
Sas has many times the script is far too accurate
(38:07):
to be written by Marshall. Charles says he's never seen
himself portrait so accurately before, and the script is very
complimentary of him. Now, Sas new Charles more than anyone,
and of course she'd be extremely complimentary of him. Marshall
being the killer would fit perfectly with the theme of
his character, as he truly has imposter syndrome because he
(38:29):
stole the script. Now, another popular theory on the sub
at the moment is that there aren't actually three killers.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
Rather than two.
Speaker 9 (38:39):
Hal Jordan eight eight eight says, I'm starting to think
that there might be three killers and not just two.
I think the photo shoot might be hinting at three
because there was someone from the building, someone from Hollywood,
and a stunt actor. The three killers could be one
from each spot. I personally love this idea because there's
such an emphasis on doubles this season that three killers
(39:01):
would be a pretty cool twist. Shake or Kitty also
pointed out something I found really interesting. They say, there's
a Western movie named The Sisters Brothers where those brothers
are assassins, which could be a hint that our brother's
siblings could be assassins. Now, it seems too easy for
(39:21):
the killers to be the twin producers, but what if
the brothers were actually triplets? Could Marshall be a third
brother's sibling? And then Zesti close detail three six '
nine has another idea as to who could be a
potential third brother's sibling. They ask, does anyone else think
(39:42):
the brothers sisters look like the Westies Sauce family's daughter.
What if they're all related and that's how they got
access to the Dudonov apartment to shoot? Moving on, we
also have an interesting theory from Time Entrepreneur five to seven,
who has as they call it, a Jon Key theory.
(40:03):
My new lead is Loretta and Jack johnk. In the
latest episode, the trio obsesses over someone muscular as the
carrier of the body to the incinerator, and they mentioned
that Jack is a former Olympic swimmer, which leads me
to believe he was the mover of the dead body.
The motive would be that Loretta desperately wanted Oliver to
(40:25):
come to Los Angeles, and maybe her intention was to
kill Charles so Oliver would have nothing keeping him in
New York City. And finally we have Queasy Spites six
I Want two with perhaps my favorite theory so far.
They say solved that Hammi fay Baker has an evil stunt.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
Pig love that.
Speaker 9 (40:47):
So let's see if episode six proves some of these
theories rights or if we are headed in another direction altogether.
I'll be back next week with more from the Only
Murders in the Buildings have Reddit.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Thanks for listening to this episode of the Only Murders
in the Building podcast. Please send your thoughts and theories
to us at Only Murders at straw Hutmedia dot com
You can send us a voice memo and we might
play it on the show.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
If you enjoy the show, take a minute to subscribe, rate,
follow us, and leave us a review. Only Murders in
the Building Podcast is a production of straw Hut Media,
hosted and produced by Ryan Tillotson and Maggie Bowles. Associate
producer is Stephen Markley. Original music by Kyle Merritt and
Only Murders in the Building theme music by Sadartha Kosla.
(41:38):
Assistant editor is Daniel Ferreira and production assistant is Caroline Mendoza.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Thanks to Molly Shannon and Michael Scheraul Creighton for talking
with us this week, and thanks to Hannah over at Reddit, and.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
A big, big thanks as always to John Hoffman and
the entire Hulu team.
Speaker 5 (41:52):
Bye.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
She also noticed Rudy's xmth sweater is the same as
Ryan as Ryan Reynolds xmsths sweater, which apparently it's xmas.
You wrote xmuths, so I'm saying short for Christmas.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
Just say Christmas like a normal person.
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