October 4, 2024 • 39 mins
Let’s keep talking about Season 4 Episode 6 with the Brothers Sisters themselves! Trina and Tawny Brothers are played by Catherine Cohen and Siena Werber respectively. We'll talk about their initial chemistry in the audition room, shooting on super 8 cameras, and whether or not we can trust them...
As usual, there are spoilers for episode six ahead. So listeners, if you haven't watched yet, stream it now and come right back!
Go watch Cat Cohen’s Netflix special “The Twist…? She’s Gorgeous!” and also go listen to her podcast “Seek Treatment” (instagram.com/seektreatmentpod)
Send us your thoughts and theories (in a voice memo!?): onlymurders@strawhutmedia.com
Or chat with fellow fans on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/OnlyMurdersHulu
The Giveaway
Want to win tickets to the Only Murders themed escape room!?
There are locations in both Los Angeles and New York. If you’re located around one of those two cities and you’d like to test your mystery solving chops with 3 of your best buds, here’s how you enter.
Leave this podcast a rating and review on Apple or Spotify — wherever you listen from — take a screenshot, and email it to us at onlymurders@strawhutmedia.com. Include which city you want to visit the Escape Room in — either NYC or LA.
We’ll pick 2 winners in LA and 2 in NYC. Each winner will get four tickets. We’ll choose the lucky detectives right before the season finale! Good luck!
As usual, there are spoilers for episode six ahead. So listeners, if you haven't watched yet, stream it now and come right back!
Go watch Cat Cohen’s Netflix special “The Twist…? She’s Gorgeous!” and also go listen to her podcast “Seek Treatment” (instagram.com/seektreatmentpod)
Send us your thoughts and theories (in a voice memo!?): onlymurders@strawhutmedia.com
Or chat with fellow fans on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/OnlyMurdersHulu
The Giveaway
Want to win tickets to the Only Murders themed escape room!?
There are locations in both Los Angeles and New York. If you’re located around one of those two cities and you’d like to test your mystery solving chops with 3 of your best buds, here’s how you enter.
Leave this podcast a rating and review on Apple or Spotify — wherever you listen from — take a screenshot, and email it to us at onlymurders@strawhutmedia.com. Include which city you want to visit the Escape Room in — either NYC or LA.
We’ll pick 2 winners in LA and 2 in NYC. Each winner will get four tickets. We’ll choose the lucky detectives right before the season finale! Good luck!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Straw Media.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
My dad texted me just an hour ago, did you
really lift Martin Short off the ground like to I
said it, Yes, he goes That's absolutely wild.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Hello, and welcome back to the Only Murders in the
Building Podcast.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
I'm Ryan Tillotson and I'm Maggie Bowles, and we are
looking behind the scenes and mining for clues as we
meet the cast and creators of the Hulu original series
Only Murders in the Building.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Today on the show, we are continuing our conversations all
about season four, episode six blow up. If you haven't
seen episode six, or if you haven't listened to part
one of this week's podcasts, go do those things first,
because today we're talking.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
To the brothers sisters that's right, played by the amazing
Caffine Cohen and Sienna Werber, and we'll talk about their
initial chemistry in the audition room, what it was like
shooting on Super eight cameras, and whether or not we
can trust them first to set the scene. We asked
(01:11):
John Hoffman, showrunner co creator, about the sisters. Are they
based on any filmmakers you've you've known? What how did
you decide on.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
We talked about the origin of the name. We talked
curious about the people.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
Yeah, this is one of those that, like I think,
you know, you sort of either know art school girls
or you know, young directors and all of that. That
is when you find like, you know, some pure sort
of artist minded kids that you know are either outside
(01:47):
of the norm right from the get go. And I
think the interesting idea of twins that aren't identical twins
but calling themselves identical twins. All of it started to
feel like who are these girls? And we really dove
deep on like who are they? What is their story?
What are they creating? Why are they so deeply interested
in creating a story outside of themselves, What was the
(02:11):
necessity of that sort of like really diving deep on
that history and you know these people, but I don't
have a specific like well known sister's duo who does this,
But I think in some way it's you know, sort.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Of I've went to college with these people, you.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Know, and they're either dark girls or you know, goth
or you know, anything inspired sort of like what you
watch them transform and move from whatever their interest is
and to the next thing, and a lot of times
they're deeply and nobly and authentically interested in the things
they're going towards.
Speaker 6 (02:50):
And sometimes it's to escape something else, and sometimes it's
too you know, forever reach to uh define yourself before
you're really they know yourself.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
So Kat Cohen plays one of the two brother sisters, Trina.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Before this, had you ever shot on a Super eight camera? Before? No?
Speaker 7 (03:11):
Super eight came an amazing question, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Super eight camera was the kind of thing that like
a boyfriend tells you about and you're like, I don't
know what you're saying, and the boyfriend's like, it's shot
on Super eight and you're just like, whatever you want,
king pay attention to me, tell me I'm pretty. But
now I understand what a Super eight is. And I
had to for the character. Of course, I had to
get in. I had to call that X get back
(03:34):
together and get the details.
Speaker 7 (03:36):
So I'm glad I did that.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
That's great, Yeah, awesome, very deep research, very good always
always because they were real super eights right in the episode.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
It Actually it's such a special episode and I can't
wait for people to see it because we shot the
whole thing, like all the actors and all the I
guess at this point people will have seen it, but yeah,
we used you know, hidden camera us our superrates.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
It's pretty wild with Jessica, the directors amazing.
Speaker 7 (04:10):
She's so good just.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
To kind of understand like how this all went down,
and she said it was more like a play.
Speaker 7 (04:18):
Yes, it was so fun. It was like I met Jessica.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
She's so smart, so on top of it, like had
such a grand vision for the episode and was so
good at making something very difficult seem easy for us
because she had just meticulously planned every moment of it.
Speaker 7 (04:37):
And so yeah, we had.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Like a little rehearsal with her with using the super rights,
and yeah, it was just very much, very much like
a play in the in that the blocking had to
be perfect.
Speaker 7 (04:47):
It was so much.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Fun to shoot, and I was really nervous I'd mess
up the whole thing. The refew takes where Jessica'd be like, okay, Katherin,
you have to go more this way and I was like,
but I can't see with the camera over my aunt
and She's like, okay, that's not true.
Speaker 7 (05:00):
You can.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Everyone was like, can you look less pained while using
the camera because I'm like nack. But we made it
work and it looks unreal people are going to be gagged.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Also, just like as an actor, she makes us, made
me feel so taken care of because it's this daunting thing,
and she was just so calm, so cool. She was like, yeah,
well this is where you know it's because I'm like,
whatever you say, Queen, Thanks God you're here. I think
it was quite a challenge, but that makes it an
extra special definitely.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Speaking of directors, I mean, you play a director. Have
you ever directed anything?
Speaker 7 (05:41):
No, I don't want to. I don't know if that's true.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I just think, you know, watching Jessica watching directors, I'm like,
damn they what they do is so difficult. But I
have worked with enough directors to know what some of
them can be like. And so I think we have,
you know, obviously or playing on some tropes and kind
of turning that up to an eleven and mocking certain directors,
(06:08):
certain artist types.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Really yeah, well, so can you tell us about your
character Trina Brothers and your identical twin sister.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
My exact identical twin who is my exact age, is
Sienna Werber. And you know, it's so funny we just met.
First of all, this was one of my this is
maybe only my second in person audition since the pandemic.
So I was so thrilled to go in and it
was so fun because then they were like they were
pairing up a bunch of people, and Sienna was the
(06:38):
first person I read with, and we were like the
same height and we totally vibed, and I was just like,
that girl's amazing, and so I was so thrilled that
it ends up being us too. And she's just like
such a delight so laid back, which I obviously am too,
but she's like extra laid back. And we played Trina
(06:59):
and Brothers, who are avant garde film directors who have
been making movies since they were very very young, emotionally
disturbed children, and they idolized their film professor to the
point of madness.
Speaker 8 (07:17):
I don't know how that really came about, but it
seemed to work out perfectly. She was leaving her audition
and then I was going to go into mine, and
then they said, hey, can you guys read together.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
You can probably recognize this is the voice of Sienna
Werber who plays Tawny Brothers.
Speaker 8 (07:33):
Yeah, it was. There's such kind of bizarre characters to
read just for the audition. But very exciting too because
they're so it was very fun so to read it
with somebody else and Kat was it did feel like this,
this feels very right. Whatever's going on here, this seems
this seems to be something. So it was a very
exciting read. And I think I hoped and I feel
(07:58):
like I might have known that that there was something there,
something about our I don't know what it was, but
and I've never, you know, an auditioned for a role
that's so it's such a duet, I mean, what a
strange kind of thing to.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
Approach.
Speaker 8 (08:15):
So we naturally just had a strange rhythm that that
seemed to work. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (08:22):
So funny about her is they.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Back to cat Cohen.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
She wore like a wig because they wanted us to
have the same hair, and it's obviously easier to have
she has blonde hair, to have a blonde to go
brunette than the other way around.
Speaker 7 (08:35):
I guess she's a blonde. She's a bit of a blonde.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
And so she walked out like the first day with
a wig that was like supposed to look like my hair,
and I was like, oh my god, your hair looks amazing.
She was like, it looks exactly like your hair, but
they crushed it with that wig and she looked sick.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
They did, they really did.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
And the costumes were so much fun. I feel like
we got some of the best looks of the season.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Mm hmm, yeah, you definitely did.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
So tell me about working with some of this cast.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Obviously, I was shaking like a leaf, nervous as hell.
I was like everyone I admired my whole life, I
mean especially, like not kidding. Every single weekend growing up,
I would go to Blockbuster and rent Father the Bride
Steve Martin, I'm Arety Short, and I would watch it NonStop.
It was a totally life changing movie for me. And
(09:26):
the other movie I would always rent was Superstar with
Molly Shannon. So to have them be blockbuster hits for
me like that, and you remember, it's like you would
look forward to it all week. It was so visceral,
you'd touch the like laminated both And those were the
two that I would al those two and Liar Liars
starring Jim Carrey. So shout out to Jim Carrey. If
(09:48):
he wants to be on a television show with me,
I'm open to it as well. But those were like
my faiths and so obviously I was extremely gagged. As
they say, to meet these legends, I've become really shy,
really demure.
Speaker 7 (10:04):
Damn it really is.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
It is a shame that word is now like a
TikTok trend and not just like a great word. Not
that I like the trend, but like now you say
it and everyone's like very mindful, and I go, I
was actually just using the word, using.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
The word very mindful, very keut syne.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, I like your corporation, but shout out to the
girl that invented it, because she does get true star
quality jewels Lebron.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
She is so fun Jewels Lebron, TikTok star jewels Lebron.
Speaker 7 (10:32):
They need her on season five, I know.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
But yeah, everyone was like just incredibly nice and welcoming,
and it was especially fun because Sienna and I are
kind of like in Molly's world as like the Hollywood people.
Speaker 7 (10:48):
We got to hang out with her a lot, and she's.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Just the most generous, funny, easy going, like such a
great person to Kiki with backstage.
Speaker 9 (11:00):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah, that was cool. Was it awkward if you were
shy and at one point you have to pick up Martin.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Do you know what's so funny? What did my parents
just text me because they just watched that episode. They
just texted me a few minutes ago. My dad texted
me just an hour ago, did you really lift Martin
Short off the ground like that? I said, yes, he goes,
that's absolutely wild. My brother goes, I was wondering the same.
Did they ask you to do that? Did you rehearse it?
(11:28):
Or was it improvised? I go imagine if it was improvised, you.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Just buds with Marty.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
You can just pick it up, just like watch Out Bud. No,
that was a direction that was given to me. I'm
very strong, very fit, So we did. We did rehearse it,
and obviously I was shy because I was like, excuse me,
I'm just gonna pop in here. Yeah, it's so that
was so funny. I kind of forgot about that moment.
And then I've had some friends texting me being like,
(11:55):
can we talk about how last night I literally watched
you pick up Martin Short on TV? I need that clip.
I need to post that clip on my own suite.
Do I'm going to find that clip.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
I love that you're getting all these texts about that.
Speaker 7 (12:09):
That is like, that's actually the only thing people have
texted me about so far.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, that's a bucket list moment, you know what I mean. Yeah,
it's also something the hear. Yeah, literally, I'm lifting up
my euros. But it's also funny because there's so much
going on in that scene. There's like, you know, you know,
there were fifteen people or something on set that day.
I was like, I cannot mess up this one moment.
I have to like be in sync with everyone. So
(12:35):
we made it work.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
You really did. So this is a dumb question, but
the Desecration of Alice the student film of Trina and.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Tawny starring Vince Fish.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Starring Vince Fish. Yeah, were you ever in student films
in college? Did they look anything like that? Could you imagine?
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I don't know, you know, I think there's two paths
for young artist. And I was such a theater kid
that I never dip my toe into the film the
film pool and I still consider myself someone who has
not seen enough movies or films. I'm so sorry, and
I supposed to call them that. And so I don't
(13:16):
know if if young Catherine would have made the Descration
of Alice so I really really had to stretch my
acting muscles for that. But yeah, no, no student films,
although I did used to. I was always making like
like I mean calling them comedy sketches is generous, but
like funny videos with friends, mostly just videos of us,
(13:38):
like prank calling people and getting in.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Trouble with like your phone or what were you did
you have a camquorder?
Speaker 7 (13:45):
One of my friends had a camcorder.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
And then one year for Christmas, I was gifted like
a preteen toy which was called I'll ner forget the
Intel Digital Blue and it kind of looked like it
was almost modeled after a Superader. Was like this little
blue like toy camera and that was life changing for me.
I was like, this is the most exciting thing I've
ever seen. I can't imagine not to be so old hag,
(14:09):
but I can't imagine now growing up being just like
able to film stuff constantly.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Same. I'm curious about that scene. We talked about it
a little bit earlier, but where you and cin are
in the center with your cameras and the trio is
all around, Can you just tell me tell us about
filming that scene.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
And like what it was like.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, it was actually very high school play. It was
very like it's a you know, the whole show, it's
a who done it? It's giving clue and it's just
about hitting those beats and yeah, figuring out the pacing
of it all and just showing up ready to rock.
Speaker 7 (14:48):
And I think everyone did that.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Yeah, it's a lot of rehearsals and then just let's
just now do it for real?
Speaker 7 (14:53):
Is that kind of what I guess I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I feel like, you know, we would just take turns
being the one who was actually shooting versus the one
who was being on camera. But it's one of those
things where there was there was so much happening at once,
you were just kind of always assuming you were being
captured from some direction, which did make it feel quite theatrical.
Speaker 9 (15:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, that was a really fun day. There's a really
there's a really funny line in that scene when Marty
says the thing about uh z bars, the guy in
the lobby who's always talking about z bars.
Speaker 7 (15:28):
Remember that.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
I do not remember that part.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
No, I hope it makes it in but he uh. Anyways,
there's a joke. There's like a button to that joke
that was very funny.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Oh my god, guys, they just identified the.
Speaker 7 (15:40):
Other left shoulder.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Was it the guy who used to scream in the
lobby about loving z Bars? I haven't seen him for ages.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
What was his name?
Speaker 7 (15:47):
It belongs to duden Off.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
We have two murders now.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Who killed Saz, who killed Off?
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Who was pretending to be do not cashing the checks
at the bodego?
Speaker 5 (16:04):
We need to look into that.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Oh my god, that's it. What do you go? Doug
the guy who used to love ze Bars? His name
was Doug. Okay. After the break, Siena Werber tells us
about her favorite line from her sister Trina.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Brothers, and both Sienna and Kat share their thoughts on
whether we can cross them off our list of suspects.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Welcome back today. We're talking to the Brothers sisters. Siena
Wherber plays one half of that directing duo.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Tell us about your character, Tawny Brothers. Where to begin?
Speaker 8 (16:49):
I think she's she's an odd tour you know, as
she she values the unique. She loves filmmaking with all
her heart and lives and breathes it. I feel she's
a bit telepathic with her sister the way they the
way they approach filmmaking is is very personal. She's weird,
(17:13):
she's weird. I mean, let's let's just say it that
she's she's quite strange. And that wasn't that wasn't that
hard for me to really slip into. Really, it's kind
of quite quite fun to be able to play someone
who I don't know keeps a lot inside, I suppose.
But yeah, just a filmmaker with a singular vision is
(17:37):
how I'd like to view Tani. What you were about
to see is a testimony of the accused, but in
our native language, the language of film.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Where in the process did the voice the voice come from?
You know, John did a I was a huge fan
of your Wiener to Wiener, Oh thank you, thank you John.
John did a when we spoke with him last did
a like an imitation of you doing it. No, And
(18:09):
so I'm just kind of curious about he loved you read,
he loved your reader specific. I'm just curious, like where
that came from.
Speaker 8 (18:18):
Yeah, yeah, once again a very natural And John did
mention this. I think in the audition he saw you
know some things and he's like, I like, I like
the lower register, you know, He said to us once
and I do kind of have a low registered voice.
I do think I just slightly exaggerated it or kept
it quite quite quite in the depths of me. I
(18:39):
just felt right for her. I just felt right, you know,
she's she feels like a very self assured person who
is not speaking when she doesn't need to speak, and
when it when there's something to say, it's it's coming
right from her gut.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
I know, wienad Wiener was Ryan's favorite line. Did you
have a favorite line that you got to say or
anything like that?
Speaker 8 (19:00):
The show, I mean, wienerd a Wiener is pretty great
and I don't know if I could have ever wished
for anything better. And you know, funnily enough, we nerd
Wiener was was improved that that was not that was
not written. I think I think what happened was was
that whole little bit at the end was was improved
where where Paul ran out and did that, And I
(19:21):
think it was because he ran out like as a joke,
I think, and and then uh just did that. You know,
I'm actually trying to realize how that came about, but
weirdly it did. And then someone was like, yeah, you know,
say say that, so I think wienerd a Wiener's iconic
and I can't believe I got to say that to
Martin Short and Paul Rudd. I will value that.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
I do value that, Hight and Zach Alfanakis.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yeah, I heard he had a hard time keeping it together.
Speaker 8 (19:50):
Yeah, oh yes, yes, the three, the three of them.
I mean, it was surreal to be there and then
and then to kind of get to direct them was
quite funny.
Speaker 7 (20:01):
Try one back to back.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
You share a vertebrae and a shameful secret.
Speaker 9 (20:07):
Shameful secret.
Speaker 8 (20:08):
Okay, now turn around Wiener to Wiener.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
Seven's Sean Penis.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Have you ever done any directing or filmmaking yourself or
maybe acting in a student films like the Desecration of Alice.
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (20:36):
You know, it's funny you ask. I haven't really done
any directing, although, funnily enough, every you know, I'm still
finding my way, that's for sure as an actress. But
every project I have done has always been about a
film being made. It's really quite quite interesting. And I
(20:57):
have played the first thing I did right out of school,
this Netflix series. I was the actress in the short
film of a Filmmaker. It followed this filmmaker. This kind
of like supernatural journey of this filmmaker trying to get
her short made, and I was the actress in it,
and it was very meta once again. And then the
second thing I did, I was playing the assistant to
(21:17):
a director of a while film was being made. So
I've definitely been there's something about me. I think that
the filmmaking process is very much something that is in me,
and I hope to actually direct. And even recently, I've
been very much watching so many more movies and thinking
about directors in a much more serious way, and I've
(21:40):
met some people recently who have really inspired me. My
friend is a director. I was just in his short,
and yes, I'm super like right now, I'm particularly interested
in that and just the vision of that, the confidence,
the vision, and of course I love acting, but I
would love to attempt directings someday. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
I can't believe that it's just been a bunch of
movies about movies or shows about movies.
Speaker 9 (22:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Meta, very meta.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Yeah, so interesting. So in episode six, we've heard from
other people that it kind of felt like a play.
I'm just curious if you could talk about your experience
shooting that episode did it feel different than shooting any
other type of movie or television.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (22:25):
Episode six was a very specifically shot episode, and it
was very fun. It was very fun. It did almost
feel like like we were creating like a sort of together.
All of us were suddenly more immersed in it because
you know, Howard has this this camquorder in his hand,
(22:46):
and then you know, my sis and I have these
super rights which were actually using sometimes like quite literally
I'm looking at you know, the trio through the Super
eight camera. Very very interesting and to know that that's
actually going to be used, it was a bit surreal.
I didn't shoot much, but there was like one thing
that I actually so it felt. Yeah, it felt like
(23:07):
we were all almost doing a student film. Yet we're
on a magnificent Hulu sat, you know, doing a real production.
And once again these meta layers because my character is
a filmmaker and we're having and a film is happening
to it, so just these little you know, that element
was very fun and yes, absolutely different than other experiences
(23:31):
shooting it makes you feel a bit more in control
when you get to look through a lens at someone else.
So fun to be able to do that as an
actor being filmed at the same time. A bunch of
friends making a film is sometimes how it felt. Which
was so cool to be do it with like Steve
Martin across for me, so yeah, yeah, unique and fun.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Can you tell us about joining into this cast, which
is like so crazy, right, like there's just so many amazing,
iconic comedic actors.
Speaker 8 (24:03):
Yeah, I mean, I really could not ask for a
more mind blowing, incredible group of actors. It was overwhelming
from the beginning but so exciting. All I know is
it was so seamless because of the kindness of everybody,
which I'm sure you guys know from having talked to
these people, like they're just exuberant, kind, joyful people. And
(24:29):
John Hoffman, I mean, from the very beginning in the
room with me, was like the most radiant person I've
ever met, So I felt so comfortable and happy around
him that I think that tone just carried with me.
And then meeting everybody, that energy was always there with everyone,
and you know, it's a fine balance of wow, this
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is crazy. You pinch me, Like the most iconic people
are around me right now, true icons. But I have
to go like this, do this scene, and I'm still
a nervous actor myself, so it's like trying to you
almost have to. I almost had to try and ignore
that for a minute, but then there'd be moments of
just sitting there looking around. I just did a lot
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of looking and trying to be present because it was
such a phenomenal situation to be in.
Speaker 9 (25:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
I mean, we spoke to Richard Kind not too long ago,
and he I feel like he to me, is like
an iconic actor, but he was having the same moment.
He said, I'm just sitting there and I'm watching Eugene
Levy and I'm watching Martin, and I'm just like, look
at me. Yes, yes, he's made it. So I just, yeah,
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I get it.
Speaker 8 (25:41):
Yeah, and Richard Kind exactly another person I consert obviously iconic.
He's there.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
It's just too many.
Speaker 8 (25:48):
It almost became too much, like I couldn't even process it.
Every single one of them, they're all icons. So for
me to be there, it's just so grateful and yeah,
every day pinch me, pinch me. But such funny and
just such funny people, right, this was probably like, yeah,
definitely like the best experience of my life. I mean,
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it was so full of fun and goodness and just
the ode to filmmaking that this season is I find
quite beautiful, and how every episode is named after a
movie and just the spirit of cinema and storytelling that
it kind of honors yet plays with I find so
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inspiring and interesting. And to be around actors filmmakers that
you know, because you could say an actors is a filmmaker.
It is just deeply inspiring. So I don't know, I
guess that sentiment just long live art, cinema collaboration, you know,
all the stuff that it entails, which is so profound
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and important I feel this season and Bodies and I
got to kind of be in.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Was there a particular moment that just had you laughing
a lot or you couldn't keep it together, or where
you broke or anything like that.
Speaker 8 (27:05):
Yeah, I mean the episode what was it, Yeah, adaptation
that the mirror, the mirror scene that was just Yeah.
The Wiener to Wiener night I remember, just was extraordinarily
funny in so many ways. The improv. I got to
witness the little the little moments and Kat, I think
(27:25):
it's it's in that episode too, when when Kat says
to Steve Martin, like go go have them fix your
makeup and she does that little sing.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
That little sing does to make him look less.
Speaker 8 (27:39):
Does that mean yes, let's.
Speaker 7 (27:42):
Take five charles go to makeup. Tell them we need
you to look a little less. Well know what that means?
Speaker 8 (27:50):
That broke me Right after that, I completely such a
true laughter emerged for me. I just that was so
that was so strange and so fun That was probably
when isn't that funny? Like Kat is also an icon
to me, She's also like a comedy icon, and she
had me cracking up so much, Like in addition to
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who I was watching, she is so so funny. So
there were so many humorous moments, but honestly, that moment
from her does stand out.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (28:20):
I just felt so lucky to be a part of it.
And I don't know, like.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
It's just I think maybe cheesy, but just it's just
amazing to watch comedy legends that you idolize do the
work and it's it's just the same as you know,
it's just like you show up on set, you be
there on time, you learn your lines, you just do
the job. It was just cool to watch those people
work and kind of you know, knowe, like, oh, what
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kind of questions are they asking or what are they
thinking about? And you know how they would just have
really really thoughtful questions about how certain moments would influence
kind of the arc of their whole character. And I'm like,
oh wow, they're really thinking, like there's just so much
to weep together, and they're thinking dramaturgically as well as comedically,
and yeah, it was just.
Speaker 7 (29:07):
It was tight dude.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Too.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
And also the main also maybe my main takeaway is
that because John Hoffman is like the most special, warm
kind person, that energy radiates down yeah, top down vibes.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (29:23):
And so everyone who.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Works from all the writers, all the like, everyone on
the crew, everyone just carried that good uh kind nge
as they say.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
By the end of the episode, we've learned that the
brothers sisters would kill for doudonoff, but that they probably
didn't kill anyone.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
I think they're murderous, but I don't know if they're
the murderers.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
I see, so they're capable, clearly, clearly, but maybe we've
exonerated them. I don't know, perhaps any.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Thoughts, I man, I don't know. I think one of
them is evolved still, I don't.
Speaker 7 (30:02):
Know, really really, I can't say anything end.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
No, no, of course, not, of course not.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (30:08):
What I will say is it ain't over till it's over.
And you know, in any good mystery, there's twists and
turns till the very end. So you know, always keep thinking,
always keep your eyes open. But I think the brothers sisters,
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they're mysterious girls. And I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Okay, that's fair, That is fair.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
If you haven't seen it, I definitely recommend checking out
Kat Cohen's Netflix special The Twist. She's gorgeous. It's very,
very funny. All right, shall we get into fury and mail?
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Yes, thank you so much for all of your emails
and comments. We got some very good theories in the
mail this week. Here's what you're thinking.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Well, first, thanks to Tim, Stephanie and the other four
hundred and fifty people who corrected my Easter eggs list.
I will share this with you now. This is the
approved list from all of the listeners. Episode one, there's
a shadow of an airplane across the building, signifying the
travel out west for the movie YEP. Episode two, the
hormone and the window because there's the shower. Episode three,
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two sets of three director's chairs signifying the doppelganger actors
in the episode. In episode four, this is one that
I missed. There's a shadow of Clovers breezing by the building,
and that's Clovers because Paul Red comes back as Irishmen
Paul Red Stubbins seven Stubbins Irishman Glynn. Episode five another
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one I missed. Not only is there Howard and Haammy Fay,
but there are little footprints underneath them, which is signifying
the footprints on the sticky sheets that they're looking for.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Got it.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
And then episode six, this new one. There is a
movie camera at the top of the building. Obviously cameras everywhere.
This is a camera episode.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Okay, so that is missing Easter eggs.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
That's the missing Easter eggs. Thank you all so much
for coining out.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
I love it when they point out all your failures.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
Now theories.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Thank you. Stephanie d thinks Lester and Uma did it
we Liz.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
S doesn't trust doctor Maggie and things that have. Glenn
hadn't been on that rat baffler, she might have killed
Charles with her bare hands, which I just any opportunity
to say rat baffler.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Okay, and now here's Hannah from the Only Murders subreddit.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
I also before we go to Hannah, Okay, do you
guys even enjoy hearing us read tell you about the theories? Like,
because some of these theories are so long, and like
I can't even is it because like I feel bad
for Stephanie d I'm not even like explaining why they
think Lester and Uma did it? So like, am I short?
Are we short changing Steffanids?
Speaker 3 (33:02):
What about all the people that we just didn't even include?
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Well, I'll tell you one of them was really really
long and that's why. Anyways, let us know if you
actually enjoy this part or if it's a waste of
our time.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Here's Hannah from the Only Murders subreddit.
Speaker 9 (33:18):
Yeah, hi, Maggie, Ryan and everyone listening. Episode six has
given us found footage and crazy revelations, and now we
have two murders to solve. So I'm back with theories
from the Only Murders subreddit. First of all, our main
suspect regarding sas as murder is still Marshall for now.
Just like last week, A recurring theory is that sas
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really is the one who wrote the script and Marshall
killed her to get his opportunity. Some people also think
our killer or killers may have been targeting stunt doubles.
Particularly Blue Bleeding Heart says, I don't really think the
targets were Charles and Oliver. It all it was Sas
and this time it was Glad to Stubbins, both stunts doubles.
(34:02):
So maybe it has to do with a stun double
bar or maybe SAS's stunt double school. I don't think
a person with a sniper rifle shot two wrong people accidentally. Now,
regarding Dudenhoff's murder, our members mostly suspect the Westies and
whether or not it was intentional. Sure Cheesecake two nine
(34:23):
five over says I think nobody killed studenof I think
the Westies found him dead of natural causes. They realized
that they only got their cheap rends from him, so
they hid his death. They put him in the incinerator
and then pretended that he was still alive. And speaking
of the Westies, Vince Fish is still very much a
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question mark amongst our members. Here's user munster Munch with
a theory regarding Vince and this season's doubles theme. So,
in the most recent episode, Vince's Pincay had jumped. As
he has stated several times to me, the fact that
his eye patch keeps moving cannot just be just a
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cute affectation. There has to be a reason. My theory,
based on what we've seen so far, is that there
are two Vinces. The brother's sisters clearly like to work
with twins, and it would explain how he got into
their movie. Perhaps the vinces have a scar, eye color
or revealing feature around their respective eyes. We couldn't see
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this in the film as it was in black and white.
The Vinces are therefore pulling a double scam with the
rent control scheme by having two people living in the
same apartment. Maybe one of the vinces is involved with
the murder and the other one doesn't know about it.
I just feel there's more to the eye patch than
meets the eye. Another mystery yet to be solved is
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who plays the mysterious camera that was connected to Sasus
Fern discuss Zachariah's suspects Marshall. Here's why they have to
say the suspicious camera belongs to Marshall. His line in
the last episode about his movie coming to life was
quite ominous, as the camera position was over his left shoulder,
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peering at the trio like a fly on the wall. Also,
if the trio's apartments are bugged, it's very plausible that
that is how Marshall was able to be so accurate
in his characters without ever meeting them. And finally, we
have a foot from Bacon Key seven to four about
the cameras and the show's timeline. They say Oliver received
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the end the podcast or I Will end you nights
in season one, episode three. At this point, the podcast
had only been out for a single hour and had
only four listeners. Has there been a tap in the
apartment since season one?
Speaker 4 (36:52):
And to that, I will.
Speaker 10 (36:53):
Add that season one was three years ago in the
show and in real life, and three years ago is
when we find now the brothers sisters had last heard
from Dodonoff. So leaving you on that thought, and I'll
be back next week with more theories from the Only
Murders in the Buildings.
Speaker 9 (37:09):
I've read it.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Thanks for listening to this episode of the Only Murders
in the Building podcast. Please continue to send us your
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You can even send us a voice memo and we
might play it on the show.
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(37:53):
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Only Murders in the Building theme music by Siddartha Koslav.
Assistant editor is Daniel Ferrera. Production assistant is Carolyn Mendoza.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Thanks to Kat Cohen and Sienna Werber for taking the
time to talk to us this week, and thanks to
Hannah over at Reddit for sharing the theories.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
And as always, a big big thanks to John Hoffman
and the entire Hulu team.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Bye Bye, My TV keeps trunning on for ruining my
life in this Okay, it's trying to get me to
connect to it so it can steal my data.
Speaker 7 (38:41):
Who cares my data's out there?
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Do you know what happens.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
At the end?
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Whatever you think I mean, I.
Speaker 7 (38:53):
Am being mysterious and I read the script so long
ago of
Straw Media.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
My dad texted me just an hour ago, did you
really lift Martin Short off the ground like to I
said it, Yes, he goes That's absolutely wild.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Hello, and welcome back to the Only Murders in the
Building Podcast.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
I'm Ryan Tillotson and I'm Maggie Bowles, and we are
looking behind the scenes and mining for clues as we
meet the cast and creators of the Hulu original series
Only Murders in the Building.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Today on the show, we are continuing our conversations all
about season four, episode six blow up. If you haven't
seen episode six, or if you haven't listened to part
one of this week's podcasts, go do those things first,
because today we're talking.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
To the brothers sisters that's right, played by the amazing
Caffine Cohen and Sienna Werber, and we'll talk about their
initial chemistry in the audition room, what it was like
shooting on Super eight cameras, and whether or not we
can trust them first to set the scene. We asked
(01:11):
John Hoffman, showrunner co creator, about the sisters. Are they
based on any filmmakers you've you've known? What how did
you decide on.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
We talked about the origin of the name. We talked
curious about the people.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
Yeah, this is one of those that, like I think,
you know, you sort of either know art school girls
or you know, young directors and all of that. That
is when you find like, you know, some pure sort
of artist minded kids that you know are either outside
(01:47):
of the norm right from the get go. And I
think the interesting idea of twins that aren't identical twins
but calling themselves identical twins. All of it started to
feel like who are these girls? And we really dove
deep on like who are they? What is their story?
What are they creating? Why are they so deeply interested
in creating a story outside of themselves, What was the
(02:11):
necessity of that sort of like really diving deep on
that history and you know these people, but I don't
have a specific like well known sister's duo who does this,
But I think in some way it's you know, sort.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Of I've went to college with these people, you.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Know, and they're either dark girls or you know, goth
or you know, anything inspired sort of like what you
watch them transform and move from whatever their interest is
and to the next thing, and a lot of times
they're deeply and nobly and authentically interested in the things
they're going towards.
Speaker 6 (02:50):
And sometimes it's to escape something else, and sometimes it's
too you know, forever reach to uh define yourself before
you're really they know yourself.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
So Kat Cohen plays one of the two brother sisters, Trina.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Before this, had you ever shot on a Super eight camera? Before? No?
Speaker 7 (03:11):
Super eight came an amazing question, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Super eight camera was the kind of thing that like
a boyfriend tells you about and you're like, I don't
know what you're saying, and the boyfriend's like, it's shot
on Super eight and you're just like, whatever you want,
king pay attention to me, tell me I'm pretty. But
now I understand what a Super eight is. And I
had to for the character. Of course, I had to
get in. I had to call that X get back
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together and get the details.
Speaker 7 (03:36):
So I'm glad I did that.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
That's great, Yeah, awesome, very deep research, very good always
always because they were real super eights right in the episode.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
It Actually it's such a special episode and I can't
wait for people to see it because we shot the
whole thing, like all the actors and all the I
guess at this point people will have seen it, but yeah,
we used you know, hidden camera us our superrates.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
It's pretty wild with Jessica, the directors amazing.
Speaker 7 (04:10):
She's so good just.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
To kind of understand like how this all went down,
and she said it was more like a play.
Speaker 7 (04:18):
Yes, it was so fun. It was like I met Jessica.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
She's so smart, so on top of it, like had
such a grand vision for the episode and was so
good at making something very difficult seem easy for us
because she had just meticulously planned every moment of it.
Speaker 7 (04:37):
And so yeah, we had.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Like a little rehearsal with her with using the super rights,
and yeah, it was just very much, very much like
a play in the in that the blocking had to
be perfect.
Speaker 7 (04:47):
It was so much.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Fun to shoot, and I was really nervous I'd mess
up the whole thing. The refew takes where Jessica'd be like, okay, Katherin,
you have to go more this way and I was like,
but I can't see with the camera over my aunt
and She's like, okay, that's not true.
Speaker 7 (05:00):
You can.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Everyone was like, can you look less pained while using
the camera because I'm like nack. But we made it
work and it looks unreal people are going to be gagged.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Also, just like as an actor, she makes us, made
me feel so taken care of because it's this daunting thing,
and she was just so calm, so cool. She was like, yeah,
well this is where you know it's because I'm like,
whatever you say, Queen, Thanks God you're here. I think
it was quite a challenge, but that makes it an
extra special definitely.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Speaking of directors, I mean, you play a director. Have
you ever directed anything?
Speaker 7 (05:41):
No, I don't want to. I don't know if that's true.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I just think, you know, watching Jessica watching directors, I'm like,
damn they what they do is so difficult. But I
have worked with enough directors to know what some of
them can be like. And so I think we have,
you know, obviously or playing on some tropes and kind
of turning that up to an eleven and mocking certain directors,
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certain artist types.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Really yeah, well, so can you tell us about your
character Trina Brothers and your identical twin sister.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
My exact identical twin who is my exact age, is
Sienna Werber. And you know, it's so funny we just met.
First of all, this was one of my this is
maybe only my second in person audition since the pandemic.
So I was so thrilled to go in and it
was so fun because then they were like they were
pairing up a bunch of people, and Sienna was the
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first person I read with, and we were like the
same height and we totally vibed, and I was just like,
that girl's amazing, and so I was so thrilled that
it ends up being us too. And she's just like
such a delight so laid back, which I obviously am too,
but she's like extra laid back. And we played Trina
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and Brothers, who are avant garde film directors who have
been making movies since they were very very young, emotionally
disturbed children, and they idolized their film professor to the
point of madness.
Speaker 8 (07:17):
I don't know how that really came about, but it
seemed to work out perfectly. She was leaving her audition
and then I was going to go into mine, and
then they said, hey, can you guys read together.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
You can probably recognize this is the voice of Sienna
Werber who plays Tawny Brothers.
Speaker 8 (07:33):
Yeah, it was. There's such kind of bizarre characters to
read just for the audition. But very exciting too because
they're so it was very fun so to read it
with somebody else and Kat was it did feel like this,
this feels very right. Whatever's going on here, this seems
this seems to be something. So it was a very
exciting read. And I think I hoped and I feel
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like I might have known that that there was something there,
something about our I don't know what it was, but
and I've never, you know, an auditioned for a role
that's so it's such a duet, I mean, what a
strange kind of thing to.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
Approach.
Speaker 8 (08:15):
So we naturally just had a strange rhythm that that
seemed to work. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (08:22):
So funny about her is they.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Back to cat Cohen.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
She wore like a wig because they wanted us to
have the same hair, and it's obviously easier to have
she has blonde hair, to have a blonde to go
brunette than the other way around.
Speaker 7 (08:35):
I guess she's a blonde. She's a bit of a blonde.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
And so she walked out like the first day with
a wig that was like supposed to look like my hair,
and I was like, oh my god, your hair looks amazing.
She was like, it looks exactly like your hair, but
they crushed it with that wig and she looked sick.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
They did, they really did.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
And the costumes were so much fun. I feel like
we got some of the best looks of the season.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Mm hmm, yeah, you definitely did.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
So tell me about working with some of this cast.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Obviously, I was shaking like a leaf, nervous as hell.
I was like everyone I admired my whole life, I
mean especially, like not kidding. Every single weekend growing up,
I would go to Blockbuster and rent Father the Bride
Steve Martin, I'm Arety Short, and I would watch it NonStop.
It was a totally life changing movie for me. And
(09:26):
the other movie I would always rent was Superstar with
Molly Shannon. So to have them be blockbuster hits for
me like that, and you remember, it's like you would
look forward to it all week. It was so visceral,
you'd touch the like laminated both And those were the
two that I would al those two and Liar Liars
starring Jim Carrey. So shout out to Jim Carrey. If
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he wants to be on a television show with me,
I'm open to it as well. But those were like
my faiths and so obviously I was extremely gagged. As
they say, to meet these legends, I've become really shy,
really demure.
Speaker 7 (10:04):
Damn it really is.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
It is a shame that word is now like a
TikTok trend and not just like a great word. Not
that I like the trend, but like now you say
it and everyone's like very mindful, and I go, I
was actually just using the word, using.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
The word very mindful, very keut syne.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, I like your corporation, but shout out to the
girl that invented it, because she does get true star
quality jewels Lebron.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
She is so fun Jewels Lebron, TikTok star jewels Lebron.
Speaker 7 (10:32):
They need her on season five, I know.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
But yeah, everyone was like just incredibly nice and welcoming,
and it was especially fun because Sienna and I are
kind of like in Molly's world as like the Hollywood people.
Speaker 7 (10:48):
We got to hang out with her a lot, and she's.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Just the most generous, funny, easy going, like such a
great person to Kiki with backstage.
Speaker 9 (11:00):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah, that was cool. Was it awkward if you were
shy and at one point you have to pick up Martin.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Do you know what's so funny? What did my parents
just text me because they just watched that episode. They
just texted me a few minutes ago. My dad texted
me just an hour ago, did you really lift Martin
Short off the ground like that? I said, yes, he goes,
that's absolutely wild. My brother goes, I was wondering the same.
Did they ask you to do that? Did you rehearse it?
(11:28):
Or was it improvised? I go imagine if it was improvised, you.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Just buds with Marty.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
You can just pick it up, just like watch Out Bud. No,
that was a direction that was given to me. I'm
very strong, very fit, So we did. We did rehearse it,
and obviously I was shy because I was like, excuse me,
I'm just gonna pop in here. Yeah, it's so that
was so funny. I kind of forgot about that moment.
And then I've had some friends texting me being like,
(11:55):
can we talk about how last night I literally watched
you pick up Martin Short on TV? I need that clip.
I need to post that clip on my own suite.
Do I'm going to find that clip.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
I love that you're getting all these texts about that.
Speaker 7 (12:09):
That is like, that's actually the only thing people have
texted me about so far.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, that's a bucket list moment, you know what I mean. Yeah,
it's also something the hear. Yeah, literally, I'm lifting up
my euros. But it's also funny because there's so much
going on in that scene. There's like, you know, you know,
there were fifteen people or something on set that day.
I was like, I cannot mess up this one moment.
I have to like be in sync with everyone. So
(12:35):
we made it work.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
You really did. So this is a dumb question, but
the Desecration of Alice the student film of Trina and.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Tawny starring Vince Fish.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Starring Vince Fish. Yeah, were you ever in student films
in college? Did they look anything like that? Could you imagine?
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I don't know, you know, I think there's two paths
for young artist. And I was such a theater kid
that I never dip my toe into the film the
film pool and I still consider myself someone who has
not seen enough movies or films. I'm so sorry, and
I supposed to call them that. And so I don't
(13:16):
know if if young Catherine would have made the Descration
of Alice so I really really had to stretch my
acting muscles for that. But yeah, no, no student films,
although I did used to. I was always making like
like I mean calling them comedy sketches is generous, but
like funny videos with friends, mostly just videos of us,
(13:38):
like prank calling people and getting in.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Trouble with like your phone or what were you did
you have a camquorder?
Speaker 7 (13:45):
One of my friends had a camcorder.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
And then one year for Christmas, I was gifted like
a preteen toy which was called I'll ner forget the
Intel Digital Blue and it kind of looked like it
was almost modeled after a Superader. Was like this little
blue like toy camera and that was life changing for me.
I was like, this is the most exciting thing I've
ever seen. I can't imagine not to be so old hag,
(14:09):
but I can't imagine now growing up being just like
able to film stuff constantly.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Same. I'm curious about that scene. We talked about it
a little bit earlier, but where you and cin are
in the center with your cameras and the trio is
all around, Can you just tell me tell us about
filming that scene.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
And like what it was like.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, it was actually very high school play. It was
very like it's a you know, the whole show, it's
a who done it? It's giving clue and it's just
about hitting those beats and yeah, figuring out the pacing
of it all and just showing up ready to rock.
Speaker 7 (14:48):
And I think everyone did that.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Yeah, it's a lot of rehearsals and then just let's
just now do it for real?
Speaker 7 (14:53):
Is that kind of what I guess I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I feel like, you know, we would just take turns
being the one who was actually shooting versus the one
who was being on camera. But it's one of those
things where there was there was so much happening at once,
you were just kind of always assuming you were being
captured from some direction, which did make it feel quite theatrical.
Speaker 9 (15:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, that was a really fun day. There's a really
there's a really funny line in that scene when Marty
says the thing about uh z bars, the guy in
the lobby who's always talking about z bars.
Speaker 7 (15:28):
Remember that.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
I do not remember that part.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
No, I hope it makes it in but he uh. Anyways,
there's a joke. There's like a button to that joke
that was very funny.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Oh my god, guys, they just identified the.
Speaker 7 (15:40):
Other left shoulder.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Was it the guy who used to scream in the
lobby about loving z Bars? I haven't seen him for ages.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
What was his name?
Speaker 7 (15:47):
It belongs to duden Off.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
We have two murders now.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Who killed Saz, who killed Off?
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Who was pretending to be do not cashing the checks
at the bodego?
Speaker 5 (16:04):
We need to look into that.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Oh my god, that's it. What do you go? Doug
the guy who used to love ze Bars? His name
was Doug. Okay. After the break, Siena Werber tells us
about her favorite line from her sister Trina.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Brothers, and both Sienna and Kat share their thoughts on
whether we can cross them off our list of suspects.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Welcome back today. We're talking to the Brothers sisters. Siena
Wherber plays one half of that directing duo.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Tell us about your character, Tawny Brothers. Where to begin?
Speaker 8 (16:49):
I think she's she's an odd tour you know, as
she she values the unique. She loves filmmaking with all
her heart and lives and breathes it. I feel she's
a bit telepathic with her sister the way they the
way they approach filmmaking is is very personal. She's weird,
(17:13):
she's weird. I mean, let's let's just say it that
she's she's quite strange. And that wasn't that wasn't that
hard for me to really slip into. Really, it's kind
of quite quite fun to be able to play someone
who I don't know keeps a lot inside, I suppose.
But yeah, just a filmmaker with a singular vision is
(17:37):
how I'd like to view Tani. What you were about
to see is a testimony of the accused, but in
our native language, the language of film.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Where in the process did the voice the voice come from?
You know, John did a I was a huge fan
of your Wiener to Wiener, Oh thank you, thank you John.
John did a when we spoke with him last did
a like an imitation of you doing it. No, And
(18:09):
so I'm just kind of curious about he loved you read,
he loved your reader specific. I'm just curious, like where
that came from.
Speaker 8 (18:18):
Yeah, yeah, once again a very natural And John did
mention this. I think in the audition he saw you
know some things and he's like, I like, I like
the lower register, you know, He said to us once
and I do kind of have a low registered voice.
I do think I just slightly exaggerated it or kept
it quite quite quite in the depths of me. I
(18:39):
just felt right for her. I just felt right, you know,
she's she feels like a very self assured person who
is not speaking when she doesn't need to speak, and
when it when there's something to say, it's it's coming
right from her gut.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
I know, wienad Wiener was Ryan's favorite line. Did you
have a favorite line that you got to say or
anything like that?
Speaker 8 (19:00):
The show, I mean, wienerd a Wiener is pretty great
and I don't know if I could have ever wished
for anything better. And you know, funnily enough, we nerd
Wiener was was improved that that was not that was
not written. I think I think what happened was was
that whole little bit at the end was was improved
where where Paul ran out and did that, And I
(19:21):
think it was because he ran out like as a joke,
I think, and and then uh just did that. You know,
I'm actually trying to realize how that came about, but
weirdly it did. And then someone was like, yeah, you know,
say say that, so I think wienerd a Wiener's iconic
and I can't believe I got to say that to
Martin Short and Paul Rudd. I will value that.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
I do value that, Hight and Zach Alfanakis.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yeah, I heard he had a hard time keeping it together.
Speaker 8 (19:50):
Yeah, oh yes, yes, the three, the three of them.
I mean, it was surreal to be there and then
and then to kind of get to direct them was
quite funny.
Speaker 7 (20:01):
Try one back to back.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
You share a vertebrae and a shameful secret.
Speaker 9 (20:07):
Shameful secret.
Speaker 8 (20:08):
Okay, now turn around Wiener to Wiener.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
Seven's Sean Penis.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Have you ever done any directing or filmmaking yourself or
maybe acting in a student films like the Desecration of Alice.
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (20:36):
You know, it's funny you ask. I haven't really done
any directing, although, funnily enough, every you know, I'm still
finding my way, that's for sure as an actress. But
every project I have done has always been about a
film being made. It's really quite quite interesting. And I
(20:57):
have played the first thing I did right out of school,
this Netflix series. I was the actress in the short
film of a Filmmaker. It followed this filmmaker. This kind
of like supernatural journey of this filmmaker trying to get
her short made, and I was the actress in it,
and it was very meta once again. And then the
second thing I did, I was playing the assistant to
(21:17):
a director of a while film was being made. So
I've definitely been there's something about me. I think that
the filmmaking process is very much something that is in me,
and I hope to actually direct. And even recently, I've
been very much watching so many more movies and thinking
about directors in a much more serious way, and I've
(21:40):
met some people recently who have really inspired me. My
friend is a director. I was just in his short,
and yes, I'm super like right now, I'm particularly interested
in that and just the vision of that, the confidence,
the vision, and of course I love acting, but I
would love to attempt directings someday. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
I can't believe that it's just been a bunch of
movies about movies or shows about movies.
Speaker 9 (22:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Meta, very meta.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Yeah, so interesting. So in episode six, we've heard from
other people that it kind of felt like a play.
I'm just curious if you could talk about your experience
shooting that episode did it feel different than shooting any
other type of movie or television.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (22:25):
Episode six was a very specifically shot episode, and it
was very fun. It was very fun. It did almost
feel like like we were creating like a sort of together.
All of us were suddenly more immersed in it because
you know, Howard has this this camquorder in his hand,
(22:46):
and then you know, my sis and I have these
super rights which were actually using sometimes like quite literally
I'm looking at you know, the trio through the Super
eight camera. Very very interesting and to know that that's
actually going to be used, it was a bit surreal.
I didn't shoot much, but there was like one thing
that I actually so it felt. Yeah, it felt like
(23:07):
we were all almost doing a student film. Yet we're
on a magnificent Hulu sat, you know, doing a real production.
And once again these meta layers because my character is
a filmmaker and we're having and a film is happening
to it, so just these little you know, that element
was very fun and yes, absolutely different than other experiences
(23:31):
shooting it makes you feel a bit more in control
when you get to look through a lens at someone else.
So fun to be able to do that as an
actor being filmed at the same time. A bunch of
friends making a film is sometimes how it felt. Which
was so cool to be do it with like Steve
Martin across for me, so yeah, yeah, unique and fun.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Can you tell us about joining into this cast, which
is like so crazy, right, like there's just so many amazing,
iconic comedic actors.
Speaker 8 (24:03):
Yeah, I mean, I really could not ask for a
more mind blowing, incredible group of actors. It was overwhelming
from the beginning but so exciting. All I know is
it was so seamless because of the kindness of everybody,
which I'm sure you guys know from having talked to
these people, like they're just exuberant, kind, joyful people. And
(24:29):
John Hoffman, I mean, from the very beginning in the
room with me, was like the most radiant person I've
ever met, So I felt so comfortable and happy around
him that I think that tone just carried with me.
And then meeting everybody, that energy was always there with everyone,
and you know, it's a fine balance of wow, this
(24:50):
is crazy. You pinch me, Like the most iconic people
are around me right now, true icons. But I have
to go like this, do this scene, and I'm still
a nervous actor myself, so it's like trying to you
almost have to. I almost had to try and ignore
that for a minute, but then there'd be moments of
just sitting there looking around. I just did a lot
(25:10):
of looking and trying to be present because it was
such a phenomenal situation to be in.
Speaker 9 (25:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
I mean, we spoke to Richard Kind not too long ago,
and he I feel like he to me, is like
an iconic actor, but he was having the same moment.
He said, I'm just sitting there and I'm watching Eugene
Levy and I'm watching Martin, and I'm just like, look
at me. Yes, yes, he's made it. So I just, yeah,
(25:40):
I get it.
Speaker 8 (25:41):
Yeah, and Richard Kind exactly another person I consert obviously iconic.
He's there.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
It's just too many.
Speaker 8 (25:48):
It almost became too much, like I couldn't even process it.
Every single one of them, they're all icons. So for
me to be there, it's just so grateful and yeah,
every day pinch me, pinch me. But such funny and
just such funny people, right, this was probably like, yeah,
definitely like the best experience of my life. I mean,
(26:09):
it was so full of fun and goodness and just
the ode to filmmaking that this season is I find
quite beautiful, and how every episode is named after a
movie and just the spirit of cinema and storytelling that
it kind of honors yet plays with I find so
(26:30):
inspiring and interesting. And to be around actors filmmakers that
you know, because you could say an actors is a filmmaker.
It is just deeply inspiring. So I don't know, I
guess that sentiment just long live art, cinema collaboration, you know,
all the stuff that it entails, which is so profound
(26:51):
and important I feel this season and Bodies and I
got to kind of be in.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Was there a particular moment that just had you laughing
a lot or you couldn't keep it together, or where
you broke or anything like that.
Speaker 8 (27:05):
Yeah, I mean the episode what was it, Yeah, adaptation
that the mirror, the mirror scene that was just Yeah.
The Wiener to Wiener night I remember, just was extraordinarily
funny in so many ways. The improv. I got to
witness the little the little moments and Kat, I think
(27:25):
it's it's in that episode too, when when Kat says
to Steve Martin, like go go have them fix your
makeup and she does that little sing.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
That little sing does to make him look less.
Speaker 8 (27:39):
Does that mean yes, let's.
Speaker 7 (27:42):
Take five charles go to makeup. Tell them we need
you to look a little less. Well know what that means?
Speaker 8 (27:50):
That broke me Right after that, I completely such a
true laughter emerged for me. I just that was so
that was so strange and so fun That was probably
when isn't that funny? Like Kat is also an icon
to me, She's also like a comedy icon, and she
had me cracking up so much, Like in addition to
(28:10):
who I was watching, she is so so funny. So
there were so many humorous moments, but honestly, that moment
from her does stand out.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (28:20):
I just felt so lucky to be a part of it.
And I don't know, like.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
It's just I think maybe cheesy, but just it's just
amazing to watch comedy legends that you idolize do the
work and it's it's just the same as you know,
it's just like you show up on set, you be
there on time, you learn your lines, you just do
the job. It was just cool to watch those people
work and kind of you know, knowe, like, oh, what
(28:45):
kind of questions are they asking or what are they
thinking about? And you know how they would just have
really really thoughtful questions about how certain moments would influence
kind of the arc of their whole character. And I'm like,
oh wow, they're really thinking, like there's just so much
to weep together, and they're thinking dramaturgically as well as comedically,
and yeah, it was just.
Speaker 7 (29:07):
It was tight dude.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Too.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
And also the main also maybe my main takeaway is
that because John Hoffman is like the most special, warm
kind person, that energy radiates down yeah, top down vibes.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (29:23):
And so everyone who.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Works from all the writers, all the like, everyone on
the crew, everyone just carried that good uh kind nge
as they say.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
By the end of the episode, we've learned that the
brothers sisters would kill for doudonoff, but that they probably
didn't kill anyone.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
I think they're murderous, but I don't know if they're
the murderers.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
I see, so they're capable, clearly, clearly, but maybe we've
exonerated them. I don't know, perhaps any.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Thoughts, I man, I don't know. I think one of
them is evolved still, I don't.
Speaker 7 (30:02):
Know, really really, I can't say anything end.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
No, no, of course, not, of course not.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (30:08):
What I will say is it ain't over till it's over.
And you know, in any good mystery, there's twists and
turns till the very end. So you know, always keep thinking,
always keep your eyes open. But I think the brothers sisters,
(30:31):
they're mysterious girls. And I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Okay, that's fair, That is fair.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
If you haven't seen it, I definitely recommend checking out
Kat Cohen's Netflix special The Twist. She's gorgeous. It's very,
very funny. All right, shall we get into fury and mail?
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Yes, thank you so much for all of your emails
and comments. We got some very good theories in the
mail this week. Here's what you're thinking.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Well, first, thanks to Tim, Stephanie and the other four
hundred and fifty people who corrected my Easter eggs list.
I will share this with you now. This is the
approved list from all of the listeners. Episode one, there's
a shadow of an airplane across the building, signifying the
travel out west for the movie YEP. Episode two, the
hormone and the window because there's the shower. Episode three,
(31:25):
two sets of three director's chairs signifying the doppelganger actors
in the episode. In episode four, this is one that
I missed. There's a shadow of Clovers breezing by the building,
and that's Clovers because Paul Red comes back as Irishmen
Paul Red Stubbins seven Stubbins Irishman Glynn. Episode five another
(31:49):
one I missed. Not only is there Howard and Haammy Fay,
but there are little footprints underneath them, which is signifying
the footprints on the sticky sheets that they're looking for.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Got it.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
And then episode six, this new one. There is a
movie camera at the top of the building. Obviously cameras everywhere.
This is a camera episode.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Okay, so that is missing Easter eggs.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
That's the missing Easter eggs. Thank you all so much
for coining out.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
I love it when they point out all your failures.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
Now theories.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Thank you. Stephanie d thinks Lester and Uma did it
we Liz.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
S doesn't trust doctor Maggie and things that have. Glenn
hadn't been on that rat baffler, she might have killed
Charles with her bare hands, which I just any opportunity
to say rat baffler.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Okay, and now here's Hannah from the Only Murders subreddit.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
I also before we go to Hannah, Okay, do you
guys even enjoy hearing us read tell you about the theories? Like,
because some of these theories are so long, and like
I can't even is it because like I feel bad
for Stephanie d I'm not even like explaining why they
think Lester and Uma did it? So like, am I short?
Are we short changing Steffanids?
Speaker 3 (33:02):
What about all the people that we just didn't even include?
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Well, I'll tell you one of them was really really
long and that's why. Anyways, let us know if you
actually enjoy this part or if it's a waste of
our time.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Here's Hannah from the Only Murders subreddit.
Speaker 9 (33:18):
Yeah, hi, Maggie, Ryan and everyone listening. Episode six has
given us found footage and crazy revelations, and now we
have two murders to solve. So I'm back with theories
from the Only Murders subreddit. First of all, our main
suspect regarding sas as murder is still Marshall for now.
Just like last week, A recurring theory is that sas
(33:41):
really is the one who wrote the script and Marshall
killed her to get his opportunity. Some people also think
our killer or killers may have been targeting stunt doubles.
Particularly Blue Bleeding Heart says, I don't really think the
targets were Charles and Oliver. It all it was Sas
and this time it was Glad to Stubbins, both stunts doubles.
(34:02):
So maybe it has to do with a stun double
bar or maybe SAS's stunt double school. I don't think
a person with a sniper rifle shot two wrong people accidentally. Now,
regarding Dudenhoff's murder, our members mostly suspect the Westies and
whether or not it was intentional. Sure Cheesecake two nine
(34:23):
five over says I think nobody killed studenof I think
the Westies found him dead of natural causes. They realized
that they only got their cheap rends from him, so
they hid his death. They put him in the incinerator
and then pretended that he was still alive. And speaking
of the Westies, Vince Fish is still very much a
(34:46):
question mark amongst our members. Here's user munster Munch with
a theory regarding Vince and this season's doubles theme. So,
in the most recent episode, Vince's Pincay had jumped. As
he has stated several times to me, the fact that
his eye patch keeps moving cannot just be just a
(35:07):
cute affectation. There has to be a reason. My theory,
based on what we've seen so far, is that there
are two Vinces. The brother's sisters clearly like to work
with twins, and it would explain how he got into
their movie. Perhaps the vinces have a scar, eye color
or revealing feature around their respective eyes. We couldn't see
(35:29):
this in the film as it was in black and white.
The Vinces are therefore pulling a double scam with the
rent control scheme by having two people living in the
same apartment. Maybe one of the vinces is involved with
the murder and the other one doesn't know about it.
I just feel there's more to the eye patch than
meets the eye. Another mystery yet to be solved is
(35:52):
who plays the mysterious camera that was connected to Sasus
Fern discuss Zachariah's suspects Marshall. Here's why they have to
say the suspicious camera belongs to Marshall. His line in
the last episode about his movie coming to life was
quite ominous, as the camera position was over his left shoulder,
(36:12):
peering at the trio like a fly on the wall. Also,
if the trio's apartments are bugged, it's very plausible that
that is how Marshall was able to be so accurate
in his characters without ever meeting them. And finally, we
have a foot from Bacon Key seven to four about
the cameras and the show's timeline. They say Oliver received
(36:34):
the end the podcast or I Will end you nights
in season one, episode three. At this point, the podcast
had only been out for a single hour and had
only four listeners. Has there been a tap in the
apartment since season one?
Speaker 4 (36:52):
And to that, I will.
Speaker 10 (36:53):
Add that season one was three years ago in the
show and in real life, and three years ago is
when we find now the brothers sisters had last heard
from Dodonoff. So leaving you on that thought, and I'll
be back next week with more theories from the Only
Murders in the Buildings.
Speaker 9 (37:09):
I've read it.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Thanks for listening to this episode of the Only Murders
in the Building podcast. Please continue to send us your
thoughts and theories at Only Murders at straw hutmedia dot com.
You can even send us a voice memo and we
might play it on the show.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
If you enjoy the show, take a minute to subscribe, rate,
follow us, and leave us a review. The Only Murders
(37:53):
in the Building Podcast is a production of straw Hut Media,
hosted and produced by Ryan Tillotson and Maggie Bowles. Associate
producer is Stephen Markley. Original music by Kyle Merritt and
Only Murders in the Building theme music by Siddartha Koslav.
Assistant editor is Daniel Ferrera. Production assistant is Carolyn Mendoza.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Thanks to Kat Cohen and Sienna Werber for taking the
time to talk to us this week, and thanks to
Hannah over at Reddit for sharing the theories.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
And as always, a big big thanks to John Hoffman
and the entire Hulu team.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Bye Bye, My TV keeps trunning on for ruining my
life in this Okay, it's trying to get me to
connect to it so it can steal my data.
Speaker 7 (38:41):
Who cares my data's out there?
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Do you know what happens.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
At the end?
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Whatever you think I mean, I.
Speaker 7 (38:53):
Am being mysterious and I read the script so long
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