September 20, 2024 • 32 mins
On to part 2 of Season 4 Episode 4! We're talking to the one... the only... Jane Lynch! Sazz Pataki! Can you believe it??? We'll learn how the character was first pitched to her all those years ago and how Sazz has changed over the seasons. We'll also talk with Michael Cyril Creighton about the secret parts of Howard's wardrobe this season and what it was like acting alongside a very professional dog and pig.
As always, there are spoilers for episode four ahead. So listeners, if you haven't watched yet, stream it now and come right back!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Straw Media.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
So John told you with excitement he did.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
Okay, well, it was kind of like, you know, he's
like the nicest guy in the World's kind of listen,
it's a good thing. We're going to kill you. What
do you think about that?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Great Hello, and welcome back to the Only Murders in
the Building Podcast. I'm Maggie Bowles.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
And I'm Ryan Tillotson, and we are looking.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Behind the scenes and mining for clues as we meet
the cast and creators of the Hulu original series Only
Murders in the Building.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Today on the show, we are continuing our conversations all
about season four episode or the Stuntman. If you haven't
seen episode four, or if you haven't listened to part
one of this week's podcast, go do both those things first.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Because today we're talking to v one, the Only j Lynch.
J Lynch is here, so we'll hear about how her
character was first pitched to her all those years ago
and how Sas has changed over the seasons.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
We'll also talk with Michael Cyril Frighten about Howard's secret
wardrobe this season and what it is like acting with
a pig and a dog.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Last episode, we learned from Madeline George that Glenn Stubbins's accent,
his Irish accent, was actually Paul Read's idea. And when
we talked to John Hoffman, showrunner co creator, he wanted
to know how that landed with us. Here's John, how was.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
That for you?
Speaker 4 (01:30):
I'm dying to know. Yes, how was that for you?
I like it, like, are you kidding me? At first?
What was your reaction?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
What's funny is when the when the Irish accent comes
out in the beginning, I'm like, this is a bad
Irish accent. I was like, this isn't a real Irish accent.
And I was like, who the heck is talking? And
then when you see him and his name is Glenn Stubbs, Stubbins,
Glenn Stubbins. I mean I loved it too. I thought
(01:56):
it was hilarious.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
He rolled out. I'm like who is that? And then
you see a Paul Rudd and You're like, is he is?
Speaker 4 (02:02):
He is?
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Been back?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
And that was so yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
And I love his scene outside where he's showing off
into all trunk. It does like a cannonball into the
into the trash can and hits himself in the face
with the trash can.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Lid.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I loved it. I was here for it.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
I love that. Yeah, he's he's uh. He kept on
checking himself. He was working on that Irish accent for
the longest time and sorry, Paul, I know, I know,
and and I'm like, well, Paul, it doesn't need to
be good. You know, this whole thing is so insane
what's happening here, and you've been Americanized for working and
(02:40):
you're in America for a long time, so it can
be this totally you know, mash up.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
A movie set is filled with egomaniacs. Of course, a
good stunts set, the ego aid and just be a maniac.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
It's so funny because he saw this episode recently and
he was like, Okay, I've got to redo the opening narration.
And I'm like, no, it's so good, and he's like,
but no. In between when he finished this job, he
went and made a film with John Carney in Ireland now,
so he got it. For months, he was sitting there
(03:22):
hearing how he should have been saying things. So he
came back and I'm like, oh no, he now he
wants to redo the narration. I'm like, Paul, there's no
time that show airs we can't Internationalist dubbed it four
hundred ways. So but I felt terrible about it because
he was like, it's just the opening narration and the
other stuff can sound ridiculous. I don't care, but I'm like,
(03:44):
it's perfect. It wants to be sitting in this lane,
just as you described it, Maggie, Like, wait a minute,
you just want to appear, you know, like, what is that?
Speaker 5 (03:53):
But you didn't think it was Paul, right?
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I did not think it was Paul.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
No. Not critical, yeah, critical little.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
I'm happy to hear that.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
So, mag do you think there was a big improvement
between the accident and the scenes and the accent in
the opening narration?
Speaker 1 (04:08):
You know, right now, I just feel bad for saying
it was a bad accent. I feel guilty.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Could you do it better? Absolutely not if you're casting
a film.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Even if I were. But speaking of casting a film,
let's now go over to Michael cyrl Crichton, because in
this episode, Howard auditions to play himself. My first question
to you, Michael is who would you cast as Howard
in the Only Murders movie? And would it be Josh
Gadd or do you have a do you have a
different idea.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
It would know no shade. It would not be Josh
gadd I would cast. I would have Melanie Lynsky wear
a beard.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Oh my god, make.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
No, make no, you know say about it. That's just
just magical realism. And I would have Melanie Lynsky play Howard.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
That's so much better than anything I could have imagined.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Oh good, I hope it's out of times. Of to her,
as I say, like the most, she is like my
all time favorite ever since I saw Heavenly Creatures, I
have been in love with her. I've met her. I've
met her once, I believe, and she's the nicest person,
and I just love her as an actress. Has so
much heart and like soul, and what a dream that
would be.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I agree everything I see her.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
And I love her in Yeah, Wow, this is great.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
I love that guessing Melodie.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
If you're listening, they're making a movie.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
I'm Howard Morris tim Kono. I'm going to start again.
I'm Howard Morris.
Speaker 6 (05:36):
Tim Kono complained a lot about Evelyn. He said she
gave him asthma attacks, he threatened to shoot her. Evelyn
may have had nine lives, but I cut his one short.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
We auditioned and I auditioned for Howard as Howard pretty
natural naturalistically quote unquote as as Howard would and then
like at one point I was like, John, can just
try one where Howard does a version of what he
thinks naturalistic acting is like his like sort of indie
movie acting, and that's what they used, which I love.
(06:10):
But yeah, I don't know that. I feel like we
never have seen the true Howard yet. Maybe the closest
we've come to that is in when we're in his apartment.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
But yeah, we were just curres. We were talking, we
putting these other these questions. We were curious, is there
something that you do? You're like, I am now Howard
and you get into Howard and you go.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Yeah, I put on the glasses.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
That does it.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
The socks and the glasses. And there's also a little
secret necklace that I wear. There's actually a couple of
secret pieces of jewelry that I wear this season that
no one. I don't think you'll ever see them. But
so last season, we introduced this necklace that said Evelyn
on it and it was a cat with wings, so
I would wear that under my clothes. And then this season,
we started wearing these rings that say, no matter what,
(06:57):
if I do an interview, there's going to be a thousand.
I'm alarmed. I'm so sorry, every single every single time. Okay.
So then we also introduced this season these rings that
our script and one says uh Sevelen, one says Evelyn,
one says Sebelen. And then we added a gravy one
(07:17):
and then I think there was a handy one too,
So I ended up having like five rings on one
of my fingers during one of the episodes. But we
never make we never mention it, but really, like always,
it's the glasses.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
That does it, that puts it makes you feel like, okay, wait,
who's making the rings?
Speaker 5 (07:33):
I think the costume designer and the associate Dana and
Abbey are just like they got these rings from me
and their team. They just like love Howard, little Howard secrets,
Like I have all these secret socks with different animals
on them that you never see, but I'm always wearing.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I love it. That's great. It seems that you're always
Howard is always you know there's a new animal involved
of some kind, and this season you have quite a few. Actually,
let's first start with Gravy. Like you mentioned, tell us
about Gravy.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
So Gravy was an actress named Mollie. She was a
I think she's twelve. She was such a pro. First
of all, let me say about all the animals, because
I will have opinions about each of them, and they're
all amazing. They're all amazing, but they are animals, you know.
So what I will say is they're handlers and their
owners and everybody with the I guess the ASPCA or
(08:27):
whoever's there to make sure I'm okay with them, they're
okay with me. All of those people were incredible, and
I want to give that disclaimer because they were just
on top of it, like all these animals have a
bigger entourage than I will ever have. And this guy,
Brian was the handler, and he was putting so many
ridiculous situations. It was like, Brian stand on the island
(08:49):
in the kitchen and hold that little piece of meat
up so that the dog looks over here. It felt
like it was always very precarious. But Gravy was incredible.
I couldn't believe that dog did all of the things
that she needed to do. I mean, because she looks
kind of old and she was incredibly sweet and gentle.
So it's like, how are we going to get her
to walk in circles? How are we going to get
her to scratch on that door? But she was she
(09:13):
was a pro. So I was spoiled with gravy.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I will say, okay, okay. And then that was before
you met the pigs.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Yes, that's when Sprinkle entered the scene.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Sprinkles the pig.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
Sprinkle is the pig. So the first time I met Sprinkle,
I was I'd seen Selina first and in the green
room or that we're in holding and she said, have
you met the pig yet? And I said no, and
she was. It screams a lot. It's a screamer. It's
like you know, you know how pigs like squeal? Oh yeah,
they really do. That's not like just like oh when
(09:48):
pigs squeal or like they squeal so loud, not like
if there, it's just they just do. That's the noise
they make, whether.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
They're excited sound or like what living It's like yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
And it's it's an excited sound, but it's more like
to me, it sounds like a child screaming. So yeah,
the first time I met the pig was my also
my first day acting with Zach Allifanakis, so I had
no I couldn't even get nervous about that because all
I could think about was is this pig going to
land where it's supposed to on the leash?
Speaker 7 (10:18):
Oh no?
Speaker 5 (10:19):
And my pockets were full of peanuts because the pig
likes peanuts, so I would like, you know, you drop
a peanut and then it would follow you. But she
was really great and really really incredibly cute and like,
how lucky am I going to get to act with
this adorable pig? And then there's the scene in this episode,
so that was an episode three, right, and episode three
of the pigs on a leash a lot, so she's
(10:39):
like very you know, guided and whatnot. And episode four,
I'm in a bed with the pig.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
We're here with Hammy Faye.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
Now, Hammy Faye. It's true that most pigs can hunt
for truffles, but is it also true that if trained properly,
they can also be golf caddies. The bed was like,
I feel like one hundred feet off the ground. I
feel like the pig and I were both afraid of heights.
The pig's owner the pig needed to be near its owner.
(11:08):
It was very you know, it had these two lovely
owners and it was attached to them and it was
felt safe if they were nearby. So the pig's owner
would lay under the bed. Well, the pig and I
were on top of the bed, and every now and then,
the pig, I guess it's comforting thing was to have
its belly scratched with a fork, which I never did
because it was just too much for me. But you know,
(11:30):
every now and then a little arm would like come
up from the bed and the handle a fork and
be like, it likes when it's belly scratched. Whatever. So
I love that scene. I think it came out so great.
It was challenging because it's just it's an animal, so
it's hard to be like, can you have the pig
looking this way? No, I can't. Can you make sure
the pig is doing this? No, it's a pig. And
(11:51):
the pig did get excited. The pig was screaming like
a child, and then the pig did urinate all over
me in the middle of the scene, and I was
wearing some of my special socks, which we only had
one pair of, so we had like no hand washed
them in blow dry them. But you know that was
(12:12):
I would I say it's worth it. I would say
it was worth it because the scene is great, the
pig is adorable. It wasn't its fault. I mean, it's
just a pig. It's just being a pig. But it
was challenging. It lived up to its name. It's a sprinkle,
you know. It's when I had read I was going
to act with the pig. I thought it was like
(12:32):
this because initially I was supposed to be carrying this
pig around in a like a little satchel on me
like a baby born. Yeah, but the pig is like
thirty twenty five thirty pounds Like that wasn't going to happen,
and the pig was certainly not going to be like
standing still in a baby born for me. But I
thought it was gonna be like this tiny little pig
that I could hold in my hands. It was not
(12:54):
but reiterating great actress, nice person, total professional, and her
owners and the handlers and everybody were fantastic. I did
cry at the end of that day because the big
screaming was very unnerving and I was covered in a Gyin.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah, it's got to be so hard to focus, you know,
yeah scream.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
I mean, I'm someone who really likes to focus, like
very meticulous about what I think I'm going to do
when I get to set. I mean, I'm free, but
like you know, I have a way in my mind
that I prepare. I'm very prepared. This was actually very
good for me in these animals this season because I
could not you know, I had to be completely free
and flexible, because you can't plan what you're going to
do when you're acting with an animal. But yeah, I
(13:35):
did cry because of the pig. I think it really
jarred John Hoffman. It's like he's like he's never seen me,
like be like, oh god, that was a lot. I'll
do anything on that set. I love it so much,
but the pig was a lot. And it wasn't the
pig's fault. It was just overwhelming.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah, we we did talk to John.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
He did mention it.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, we had we had an idea that there was
some difficult Yeah, with the pig.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Yea sweet, sweet pig.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Ran Do you remember when we had a pig living
on our block?
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yes, yes, I remember seeing the man walk it around
the Street.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
It was Albert. He started out so small and they
got so big huge, and then he disappeared. I hope
he's not a harmony Barracos.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Maybe after the break, Jane Lynch, welcome back today. We
have the distinct honor, the absolute pleasure, the amazing opportunity
to talk to Jane Lynch, who of course plays sas Patacky.
This is our fourth year making this podcast and we
(14:47):
are just so thrilled to finally get a chance to
talk to her and have her on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Before season one. Who pitched you on the role of
sas Patacky and how did they describe it? What was
that experience like.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Well, Chris Kristin Newman, you know who she is. She's
a writer.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
We talked to her.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
I spoke to her, Oh did you I rented her
house when I was in between marriages, but I rented
her house in West Hollywood, and I knew she was
a writer and I liked her very much. We didn't
know each other that well, but when we did have encounters,
I was I was very fond of her. I thought
(15:24):
she was a great girl. And she emailed me and said,
I'm working on this show with John Hoffman. And she
and the writers created this character SaaS Pataki. I mean
she had me at the name and said, would you
come out to New York and do it? And play
Steve Martin stunt double? And I said, of course I would.
So I was I was thrilled to get it. And
(15:45):
I had no idea how fun this was going to be,
or how creative everybody would be, and how wonderful Steve
and Marty R and Selena and so it's been. It's
been a joy.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
When you heard Steve Martin stunt double, did you go, yeah,
that sounds right?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Where did you go?
Speaker 3 (16:03):
That's just weird enough to sound right, is what I said.
It wasn't on the bucket list for sure to play
Steve Martin's stunt double.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Well, so we learn a lot about Saz in some
background this season. I'm curious, could you just tell us
who is SASBATTACKI.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
What I loved about this season and the writers are
just so wonderful, is that they gave Saz and Charles
such a deep, complex and affectionate relationship. We find out
so much about them. How Saz viewed him Charles as
(16:48):
her number one. She referred to him He's number one
on the call sheet. That's kind of a thing, you hey,
number ones comment number one's on the set. But he
literally was in her life, her number one, and she
lived for him, she lived to support him, she took
care of him, and he, you know, being the good
(17:10):
guy that Charles is, he really respected her for that.
Was a little puzzled by her devotion, but still, you know,
really appreciated it because i mean, look, Charles Hayden Savage
doesn't have a lot of great friends. He's you know,
he's one of those guys that just expects the worst.
He's a rainy day guy who you know, the glass
is half empty for him, and he doesn't expect this
(17:33):
from other people. And you know, Saz just was, hey, man,
I'm there for you. You're my number one. And you know,
maybe at times it also kind of bugged him or
annoyed him, but for the most part, he was deeply
moved by it and was as devoted to her as
she was to him.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Did things you learned this season change your approach at
all to how you already envisioned sas at all?
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Yeah, well, it took it deeper. You know, there's an
episode in the early episodes I think it might be
the second one where I show up as a ghost.
And it was so I mean, it was just it
brought us both to tears sometimes how much this woman
says was just there for him, just and they kind
(18:20):
of relive their their relationship and they tell old war
stories and in every story it's Sas pulling him out
of the dumps. You know, nobody liked him on set,
nobody knew him. And she started a poker game that
where all these guys came into his trailer to play
poker every Thursday. And Charles would have never done that
(18:41):
on his own, but Saz was like, Nope, we're all
going in there. We're going to he's our friend and
we're going to play poker with him. And so anything
that he had in this life like that had anything
to do with affection and camaraderie and socialization was because
of Sas. Because Sas was like, you're my number one,
take care of you. I love that.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah there, I mean speaking of like when you in
episode two, You're you're in it quite a bit with
Amy Ryan.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
What a weirdo? Isn't that the greatest season a character?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
I mean, just and she's so wondered that, I'm curious, like,
during scenes like that where only Charles can see you,
is there a lot of do people find it? Is
it hard to act with only you know, you're only
supposed to get reactions from one person. I imagine that's tough.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
I loved it because I was just there for him,
that's all. He was my He's my world. I am there.
I'm like Clarence to Jimmy Stewart in uh and it's
a wonderful life. I exist only for him. And I
loved that and also meant I had less lines, so
I did I could. I felt I was able to
(19:50):
just feel into a lot of what was going on.
And I love that. Just loved it.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
We spoke with Michael C. Crichton, who plays Howard.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Huh, oh, oh my god, the best you know, Oh
my god, I love him.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Us too, And he says we asked him, like, what
do you do to get into the role of Howard,
And he says that he has special socks, he wears,
he has a bracelets, so.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
He had a necklace in the glasses.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
And the glasses he said, oh yeah, so I put
the glasses on. I'm Howard and I'm curious if there
is anything like that for you.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
For says, oh, absolutely, the you know, just putting on
the hat and the glasses and I'm him. Yeah, before that,
I'm kind of like a girl dressed like a boy.
But once I put the hat and the glasses on,
and I wear a wig too. But maybe you're not
supposed to know that, but I wear a little gray
wig underneath it, so my hair looks like Steve's. Yeah,
as soon as I get those two things on, I
(20:46):
am says, I walk differently. My point of view about
the world is much cheerier and brighter than it is
for me.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
You know.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
She's a very earnest, kind of guileless person, you know,
and in the head and out the mouth kind of
girl too. She doesn't hold back. But it's it's it's
never with malice. It's it's with absolute affection and yeah,
and curiosity. She's just she's curious about things, and you
know sometimes it's like, oh my god, that hurt.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, well, and the curiosity got you into trouble. I think, yeah, maybe, well, well.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Did I put my nose maybe where.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
It wasn't supposed to go.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
We'll see what, we'll see what.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
We see, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Prior to playing sas and this season, I guess how
much research into the world of stunt people have you done?
Do you feel like you know a lot more about
the job of a stunt person now than you did before?
Are you still calling?
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Absolutely? And not because I did my research, but because
you know, the writers did. Absolutely. It's a whole world
that we explore in this season. You know, we we
have Uh it's a community, and I'm sure it isn't
in Hollywood too. It's a community of folks. They have
their own bar, they all know each other, they all
hire each other. Like Saz becomes a stunt coordinator for movies,
(22:09):
you know, after she works with them. We'll see that
in the course of the season. After she works for Brasos,
and you know, she knows all the guys. They're mostly guys.
You know, she knows all of them, and they they're
really tight, and it's almost like they're in the army together.
But they refer to their number ones. You know, my
(22:29):
number one, blah blah blah. No, so even once she's
not in Brasos, Charles is her number one. But yeah,
there's a whole world. There's a whole subculture and it's
very they're very loyal to each other in great respect
for what each other does.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, I mean yeah, they put on a whole funeral
for you in episode four is very beautiful.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Yeah, I cannot wait to see that.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Well, it's very good.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
It's good.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, we're having so much fun.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
We are good, good good.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Oh yeah, we dove deep, guys, We dove really deep.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Now, this is of course Corse co creator showrunner John Hoffman.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
We did do a lot of research. Actually, we did
a lot of research on you know, through our own
stunt team. They're all fantastic. They've been with us from
the beginning. And you know, Chris Barnes, Chris Barnes is
our stunt team leader, and he always sort of like
has great He's been around a long time and he
has those great stories. So that lore and that bond
(23:25):
of partnership and sort of loyalty that is within that world.
And he was in our ears for all previous seasons
and a bit here too, and you know, as we
started planning especially and then just having fun with things
like what you're seeing in episode four, which.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Is the stunt bar right, was up the stunt concussions.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Yeah, a stuntman's bar.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I'm thinking about this now. Maybe we can talk to
him for the podcast.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
If he loved to try.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Oh well, first of all, get ready because he's a
great voice for a podcast.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Gosh, okay, all right, well.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
I almost want to imitate Chris Barnes right now, but
I'm really holding myself.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
We'll get the real voice.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Yeah, he's amazing.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
We need to get Chris Barnes on this podcast. We
need to, yes, Okay, back to Jane Lynch. I'm curious
when you when you first learned that Saz was gonna
was gonna die?
Speaker 4 (24:24):
What was that?
Speaker 5 (24:25):
What was that like?
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Well, I was thrilled as an actor, you know, I
don't want my character to die. I don't, but uh,
I was thrilled because I knew that the next season
I would have a lot to do and it would
be really fun to figure that out. Oh who doesn't
want to be the murder victim, especially when there's you know,
(24:47):
flashbacks and done as a ghost too. I come back
as a ghost, you know. I didn't know that in
the beginning, but I thought it was great. I was
very flattered that he chose me to be the murder victim.
So John told you with excitement he did. Okay, well,
it was kind of like, you know, he's like the
nicest guy in the World's kind of listen, this is
(25:09):
a good thing. We're going to kill you. What do
you think about that?
Speaker 2 (25:13):
And it's great. I can see it, Yeah, I can
see it.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Do you think that people will puzzle out what happened
to Saz this season? I feel like usually people are
really way off.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
No, no, you don't think really good. There are always
people who know how to do, always things, you know,
but there are twists and turns, like any good mystery
that will be unexpected. You'll be kind of teased into
thinking it's going a certain way and then you get
(25:45):
pulled back. But nothing like crazy. It all makes sense.
I think what he does, I'm pretty sure is he
he starts at the end and then he reverse engineers,
you know, so it all makes sense. So I'm starting here,
I'm going to end up here so you can go
because he knows where he started and he knows where
he's ending. Yeah, I think that's how he does it.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
I think you're right. I think that's what we've heard.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Yeah, yeah, ish yeah, Yeah, probably for some adjustments as
time goes on. Yeah, I think to start, you have
to know where you're coming from and you don't have
to and where you're going to. But then that can
change too, that could change, that kind of grow and evolve. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Well, we are rooting for the trio to figure out
who killed Saz so that we can have some justice
for our beloved Sas attacking because you, thank you. Sas
is probably my favorite character on the whole show and
I'm such a huge, huge fan of your work.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Thank you so much. This has been a joy talking
to you and just the whole experience of being on
this show. Like I said, it's it starts at the
head there with John Hoffman and it kind of works
its way down in gorgeousness. So and you guys are
definitely an expression.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Well, thank you so much. Thank you, Thank you so much, Jane,
John and Michael. Now we're going to dive into some
emails and comments. We've got some good theories in the
mail this week. Here's what you are thinking.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Laura B.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
From Saskatoon thinks Doudanoff was the person in the photo
that's been scratched out and that they.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Were murdered, Kay, Thanks, Jan's contact on the outside has
to be Cinda Canning.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
That is a really good theory. I really like that theory.
Anna w is a Perfect Strangers fan and it's hoping
for a guest appearance from Mark Linn Baker or Bronson
Pincho this season.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
Love that.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I love that we have a real, live Perfect Strangers
fan in the audience.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Madelin m sent in her English essay on Mabel. Great
job and congrats on the good grade.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Congrats Battlin. We are also big fans of Mabel. Now
Here's Hannah from the Only Murdered subreddit.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
Episode four has given us a lot to chew on,
especially with that cliffhanger. So I am back with new
thoughts and theory from the Only Murders in the Building
sub reddit. First of all, we have an interesting theory
from tinker Bell Pixie, who says it seems like everything
is about doubles or a relation stunt doubles, Perfect Strangers,
(28:14):
casting doubles for the movie, Oliver's secret ig account, brothers, sisters,
et cetera. There has to be a reason, right. I
was thinking maybe Charles had a twin or something, or
if the twin was Dudenov, But that doesn't make sense
because it would have been mentioned and the wes Sias
would have said something after seeing Charles. But there has
(28:37):
to be a reason why Dudonov is so mysterious and
his face is scratched off. We're also still focusing on
the intended target mystery. Rahapsol seventy eight says Charles was
the intended target. Sas wanted to tell him she was retiring.
The investigation stuff was planted by the person they heard
in SAS's la apartment who they never chased after. My
(29:00):
guess it's bev who call on to the Westies while
scouting the Orconia as a location for the film. She
used them as a red herring to propel the investigation
for the purposes of the film. But the actual murderer
isn't a Westy. It's someone after Charles for a reason
hidden in this past, someone from the Browsers poker game.
Maybe speaking of the Westies this week, they have revealed
(29:23):
their big secret to Mabel, but they still kind of
seem a little suspicious. Here's what's m hole. Reeltors seventy
seven has to say about Vince's eye. What if his
pinkeye is movie makeup, given that all their apartments have
movie film Hollywood related stuff in it. What if they
(29:44):
dressed Vince's eye in movie makeup to look like a
pinky but it really is a bruise from the gun.
Next up, if you're only only murders in the building,
separate it. You know that we adore Howard, but we
also always kind of suspect him a little bit at
one point in each season, as it Rain one two
(30:05):
two says, Howard says he found the pig alone in
the hallway, but the pig escaped on the west side
of the building, which we have been told is sealed
off completely from the east side. Did the pig make
its way out the front door of the west side
and walk into the east side or was Howard over
in the west side of the building? If so, why
(30:28):
would he be there. Finally, we have Karaoke Girl ninety
three with some thoughts about Bev Melon and the episode's ending.
I think Bev Melon is also getting manipulated and it
led her to finding stuff out like Sas probably did,
and that's why she got super defensive when the trio
(30:49):
found her at the end of the episode. Maybe she
was being blackmailed or something. I think there will be
some sensitive information shared with the trio from BEV and
that may you will be a significant clue. So, while
we still don't have a main suspect, a theory dot
COM's lot is that the murder is someone from Charles's past,
(31:09):
perhaps someone who is jealous of his career or who
is seeking revenge for something. And I'm sure we'll find
out more next week, as will be halfway through the
season already. I'll be back then with some more theories
from the Only Murders in the Building sub reddit.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
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in the Building Podcast. Please send your thoughts and theories
to us at only Murders at straw hutmedia dot com.
You can also send us a voice memo and we
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Speaker 2 (31:49):
Only Murders in the Building Podcast is a production of
straw Hut Media, hosted and produced by Ryan Tillotson and
Maggie Bowles. Associate producer is Stephen Markley. Original music by
Kyle Merritt and Only Murders in the Building. The music
by Saddartha Kosla. Assistant editor is Daniel Ferrera. Production assistant
is Carolyn Mendoza.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Thanks to Jane Lynch and Michael Sarah Crichton for talking
with us this week. Thanks to Hannah Uver at.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Reddit, and a big, big thanks as always to John
Hoffman and the entire Hulu team.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
See you next week.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Bye. Okay, that's it for today. Thank you so much
for listening. That podcast Metal and mentioned with Daniel Radcliffe
and his stunt double.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Or should we say David Holmes and his acting.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Double right, That podcast is called Stunning Stunts. Nope, Stunning Cuns.
The podcast is called Stunning Cuns. I didn't say that,
but I almost did.
Straw Media.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
So John told you with excitement he did.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
Okay, well, it was kind of like, you know, he's
like the nicest guy in the World's kind of listen,
it's a good thing. We're going to kill you. What
do you think about that?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Great Hello, and welcome back to the Only Murders in
the Building Podcast. I'm Maggie Bowles.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
And I'm Ryan Tillotson, and we are looking.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Behind the scenes and mining for clues as we meet
the cast and creators of the Hulu original series Only
Murders in the Building.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Today on the show, we are continuing our conversations all
about season four episode or the Stuntman. If you haven't
seen episode four, or if you haven't listened to part
one of this week's podcast, go do both those things first.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Because today we're talking to v one, the Only j Lynch.
J Lynch is here, so we'll hear about how her
character was first pitched to her all those years ago
and how Sas has changed over the seasons.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
We'll also talk with Michael Cyril Frighten about Howard's secret
wardrobe this season and what it is like acting with
a pig and a dog.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Last episode, we learned from Madeline George that Glenn Stubbins's accent,
his Irish accent, was actually Paul Read's idea. And when
we talked to John Hoffman, showrunner co creator, he wanted
to know how that landed with us. Here's John, how was.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
That for you?
Speaker 4 (01:30):
I'm dying to know. Yes, how was that for you?
I like it, like, are you kidding me? At first?
What was your reaction?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
What's funny is when the when the Irish accent comes
out in the beginning, I'm like, this is a bad
Irish accent. I was like, this isn't a real Irish accent.
And I was like, who the heck is talking? And
then when you see him and his name is Glenn Stubbs, Stubbins,
Glenn Stubbins. I mean I loved it too. I thought
(01:56):
it was hilarious.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
He rolled out. I'm like who is that? And then
you see a Paul Rudd and You're like, is he is?
Speaker 4 (02:02):
He is?
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Been back?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
And that was so yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
And I love his scene outside where he's showing off
into all trunk. It does like a cannonball into the
into the trash can and hits himself in the face
with the trash can.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Lid.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I loved it. I was here for it.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
I love that. Yeah, he's he's uh. He kept on
checking himself. He was working on that Irish accent for
the longest time and sorry, Paul, I know, I know,
and and I'm like, well, Paul, it doesn't need to
be good. You know, this whole thing is so insane
what's happening here, and you've been Americanized for working and
(02:40):
you're in America for a long time, so it can
be this totally you know, mash up.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
A movie set is filled with egomaniacs. Of course, a
good stunts set, the ego aid and just be a maniac.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
It's so funny because he saw this episode recently and
he was like, Okay, I've got to redo the opening narration.
And I'm like, no, it's so good, and he's like,
but no. In between when he finished this job, he
went and made a film with John Carney in Ireland now,
so he got it. For months, he was sitting there
(03:22):
hearing how he should have been saying things. So he
came back and I'm like, oh no, he now he
wants to redo the narration. I'm like, Paul, there's no
time that show airs we can't Internationalist dubbed it four
hundred ways. So but I felt terrible about it because
he was like, it's just the opening narration and the
other stuff can sound ridiculous. I don't care, but I'm like,
(03:44):
it's perfect. It wants to be sitting in this lane,
just as you described it, Maggie, Like, wait a minute,
you just want to appear, you know, like, what is that?
Speaker 5 (03:53):
But you didn't think it was Paul, right?
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I did not think it was Paul.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
No. Not critical, yeah, critical little.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
I'm happy to hear that.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
So, mag do you think there was a big improvement
between the accident and the scenes and the accent in
the opening narration?
Speaker 1 (04:08):
You know, right now, I just feel bad for saying
it was a bad accent. I feel guilty.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Could you do it better? Absolutely not if you're casting
a film.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Even if I were. But speaking of casting a film,
let's now go over to Michael cyrl Crichton, because in
this episode, Howard auditions to play himself. My first question
to you, Michael is who would you cast as Howard
in the Only Murders movie? And would it be Josh
Gadd or do you have a do you have a
different idea.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
It would know no shade. It would not be Josh
gadd I would cast. I would have Melanie Lynsky wear
a beard.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Oh my god, make.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
No, make no, you know say about it. That's just
just magical realism. And I would have Melanie Lynsky play Howard.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
That's so much better than anything I could have imagined.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Oh good, I hope it's out of times. Of to her,
as I say, like the most, she is like my
all time favorite ever since I saw Heavenly Creatures, I
have been in love with her. I've met her. I've
met her once, I believe, and she's the nicest person,
and I just love her as an actress. Has so
much heart and like soul, and what a dream that
would be.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I agree everything I see her.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
And I love her in Yeah, Wow, this is great.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
I love that guessing Melodie.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
If you're listening, they're making a movie.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
I'm Howard Morris tim Kono. I'm going to start again.
I'm Howard Morris.
Speaker 6 (05:36):
Tim Kono complained a lot about Evelyn. He said she
gave him asthma attacks, he threatened to shoot her. Evelyn
may have had nine lives, but I cut his one short.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
We auditioned and I auditioned for Howard as Howard pretty
natural naturalistically quote unquote as as Howard would and then
like at one point I was like, John, can just
try one where Howard does a version of what he
thinks naturalistic acting is like his like sort of indie
movie acting, and that's what they used, which I love.
(06:10):
But yeah, I don't know that. I feel like we
never have seen the true Howard yet. Maybe the closest
we've come to that is in when we're in his apartment.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
But yeah, we were just curres. We were talking, we
putting these other these questions. We were curious, is there
something that you do? You're like, I am now Howard
and you get into Howard and you go.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Yeah, I put on the glasses.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
That does it.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
The socks and the glasses. And there's also a little
secret necklace that I wear. There's actually a couple of
secret pieces of jewelry that I wear this season that
no one. I don't think you'll ever see them. But
so last season, we introduced this necklace that said Evelyn
on it and it was a cat with wings, so
I would wear that under my clothes. And then this season,
we started wearing these rings that say, no matter what,
(06:57):
if I do an interview, there's going to be a thousand.
I'm alarmed. I'm so sorry, every single every single time. Okay.
So then we also introduced this season these rings that
our script and one says uh Sevelen, one says Evelyn,
one says Sebelen. And then we added a gravy one
(07:17):
and then I think there was a handy one too,
So I ended up having like five rings on one
of my fingers during one of the episodes. But we
never make we never mention it, but really, like always,
it's the glasses.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
That does it, that puts it makes you feel like, okay, wait,
who's making the rings?
Speaker 5 (07:33):
I think the costume designer and the associate Dana and
Abbey are just like they got these rings from me
and their team. They just like love Howard, little Howard secrets,
Like I have all these secret socks with different animals
on them that you never see, but I'm always wearing.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I love it. That's great. It seems that you're always
Howard is always you know there's a new animal involved
of some kind, and this season you have quite a few. Actually,
let's first start with Gravy. Like you mentioned, tell us
about Gravy.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
So Gravy was an actress named Mollie. She was a
I think she's twelve. She was such a pro. First
of all, let me say about all the animals, because
I will have opinions about each of them, and they're
all amazing. They're all amazing, but they are animals, you know.
So what I will say is they're handlers and their
owners and everybody with the I guess the ASPCA or
(08:27):
whoever's there to make sure I'm okay with them, they're
okay with me. All of those people were incredible, and
I want to give that disclaimer because they were just
on top of it, like all these animals have a
bigger entourage than I will ever have. And this guy,
Brian was the handler, and he was putting so many
ridiculous situations. It was like, Brian stand on the island
(08:49):
in the kitchen and hold that little piece of meat
up so that the dog looks over here. It felt
like it was always very precarious. But Gravy was incredible.
I couldn't believe that dog did all of the things
that she needed to do. I mean, because she looks
kind of old and she was incredibly sweet and gentle.
So it's like, how are we going to get her
to walk in circles? How are we going to get
her to scratch on that door? But she was she
(09:13):
was a pro. So I was spoiled with gravy.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I will say, okay, okay. And then that was before
you met the pigs.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Yes, that's when Sprinkle entered the scene.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Sprinkles the pig.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
Sprinkle is the pig. So the first time I met Sprinkle,
I was I'd seen Selina first and in the green
room or that we're in holding and she said, have
you met the pig yet? And I said no, and
she was. It screams a lot. It's a screamer. It's
like you know, you know how pigs like squeal? Oh yeah,
they really do. That's not like just like oh when
(09:48):
pigs squeal or like they squeal so loud, not like
if there, it's just they just do. That's the noise
they make, whether.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
They're excited sound or like what living It's like yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
And it's it's an excited sound, but it's more like
to me, it sounds like a child screaming. So yeah,
the first time I met the pig was my also
my first day acting with Zach Allifanakis, so I had
no I couldn't even get nervous about that because all
I could think about was is this pig going to
land where it's supposed to on the leash?
Speaker 7 (10:18):
Oh no?
Speaker 5 (10:19):
And my pockets were full of peanuts because the pig
likes peanuts, so I would like, you know, you drop
a peanut and then it would follow you. But she
was really great and really really incredibly cute and like,
how lucky am I going to get to act with
this adorable pig? And then there's the scene in this episode,
so that was an episode three, right, and episode three
of the pigs on a leash a lot, so she's
(10:39):
like very you know, guided and whatnot. And episode four,
I'm in a bed with the pig.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
We're here with Hammy Faye.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
Now, Hammy Faye. It's true that most pigs can hunt
for truffles, but is it also true that if trained properly,
they can also be golf caddies. The bed was like,
I feel like one hundred feet off the ground. I
feel like the pig and I were both afraid of heights.
The pig's owner the pig needed to be near its owner.
(11:08):
It was very you know, it had these two lovely
owners and it was attached to them and it was
felt safe if they were nearby. So the pig's owner
would lay under the bed. Well, the pig and I
were on top of the bed, and every now and then,
the pig, I guess it's comforting thing was to have
its belly scratched with a fork, which I never did
because it was just too much for me. But you know,
(11:30):
every now and then a little arm would like come
up from the bed and the handle a fork and
be like, it likes when it's belly scratched. Whatever. So
I love that scene. I think it came out so great.
It was challenging because it's just it's an animal, so
it's hard to be like, can you have the pig
looking this way? No, I can't. Can you make sure
the pig is doing this? No, it's a pig. And
(11:51):
the pig did get excited. The pig was screaming like
a child, and then the pig did urinate all over
me in the middle of the scene, and I was
wearing some of my special socks, which we only had
one pair of, so we had like no hand washed
them in blow dry them. But you know that was
(12:12):
I would I say it's worth it. I would say
it was worth it because the scene is great, the
pig is adorable. It wasn't its fault. I mean, it's
just a pig. It's just being a pig. But it
was challenging. It lived up to its name. It's a sprinkle,
you know. It's when I had read I was going
to act with the pig. I thought it was like
(12:32):
this because initially I was supposed to be carrying this
pig around in a like a little satchel on me
like a baby born. Yeah, but the pig is like
thirty twenty five thirty pounds Like that wasn't going to happen,
and the pig was certainly not going to be like
standing still in a baby born for me. But I
thought it was gonna be like this tiny little pig
that I could hold in my hands. It was not
(12:54):
but reiterating great actress, nice person, total professional, and her
owners and the handlers and everybody were fantastic. I did
cry at the end of that day because the big
screaming was very unnerving and I was covered in a Gyin.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah, it's got to be so hard to focus, you know,
yeah scream.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
I mean, I'm someone who really likes to focus, like
very meticulous about what I think I'm going to do
when I get to set. I mean, I'm free, but
like you know, I have a way in my mind
that I prepare. I'm very prepared. This was actually very
good for me in these animals this season because I
could not you know, I had to be completely free
and flexible, because you can't plan what you're going to
do when you're acting with an animal. But yeah, I
(13:35):
did cry because of the pig. I think it really
jarred John Hoffman. It's like he's like he's never seen me,
like be like, oh god, that was a lot. I'll
do anything on that set. I love it so much,
but the pig was a lot. And it wasn't the
pig's fault. It was just overwhelming.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah, we we did talk to John.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
He did mention it.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, we had we had an idea that there was
some difficult Yeah, with the pig.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Yea sweet, sweet pig.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Ran Do you remember when we had a pig living
on our block?
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yes, yes, I remember seeing the man walk it around
the Street.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
It was Albert. He started out so small and they
got so big huge, and then he disappeared. I hope
he's not a harmony Barracos.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Maybe after the break, Jane Lynch, welcome back today. We
have the distinct honor, the absolute pleasure, the amazing opportunity
to talk to Jane Lynch, who of course plays sas Patacky.
This is our fourth year making this podcast and we
(14:47):
are just so thrilled to finally get a chance to
talk to her and have her on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Before season one. Who pitched you on the role of
sas Patacky and how did they describe it? What was
that experience like.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Well, Chris Kristin Newman, you know who she is. She's
a writer.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
We talked to her.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
I spoke to her, Oh did you I rented her
house when I was in between marriages, but I rented
her house in West Hollywood, and I knew she was
a writer and I liked her very much. We didn't
know each other that well, but when we did have encounters,
I was I was very fond of her. I thought
(15:24):
she was a great girl. And she emailed me and said,
I'm working on this show with John Hoffman. And she
and the writers created this character SaaS Pataki. I mean
she had me at the name and said, would you
come out to New York and do it? And play
Steve Martin stunt double? And I said, of course I would.
So I was I was thrilled to get it. And
(15:45):
I had no idea how fun this was going to be,
or how creative everybody would be, and how wonderful Steve
and Marty R and Selena and so it's been. It's
been a joy.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
When you heard Steve Martin stunt double, did you go, yeah,
that sounds right?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Where did you go?
Speaker 3 (16:03):
That's just weird enough to sound right, is what I said.
It wasn't on the bucket list for sure to play
Steve Martin's stunt double.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Well, so we learn a lot about Saz in some
background this season. I'm curious, could you just tell us
who is SASBATTACKI.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
What I loved about this season and the writers are
just so wonderful, is that they gave Saz and Charles
such a deep, complex and affectionate relationship. We find out
so much about them. How Saz viewed him Charles as
(16:48):
her number one. She referred to him He's number one
on the call sheet. That's kind of a thing, you hey,
number ones comment number one's on the set. But he
literally was in her life, her number one, and she
lived for him, she lived to support him, she took
care of him, and he, you know, being the good
(17:10):
guy that Charles is, he really respected her for that.
Was a little puzzled by her devotion, but still, you know,
really appreciated it because i mean, look, Charles Hayden Savage
doesn't have a lot of great friends. He's you know,
he's one of those guys that just expects the worst.
He's a rainy day guy who you know, the glass
is half empty for him, and he doesn't expect this
(17:33):
from other people. And you know, Saz just was, hey, man,
I'm there for you. You're my number one. And you know,
maybe at times it also kind of bugged him or
annoyed him, but for the most part, he was deeply
moved by it and was as devoted to her as
she was to him.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Did things you learned this season change your approach at
all to how you already envisioned sas at all?
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Yeah, well, it took it deeper. You know, there's an
episode in the early episodes I think it might be
the second one where I show up as a ghost.
And it was so I mean, it was just it
brought us both to tears sometimes how much this woman
says was just there for him, just and they kind
(18:20):
of relive their their relationship and they tell old war
stories and in every story it's Sas pulling him out
of the dumps. You know, nobody liked him on set,
nobody knew him. And she started a poker game that
where all these guys came into his trailer to play
poker every Thursday. And Charles would have never done that
(18:41):
on his own, but Saz was like, Nope, we're all
going in there. We're going to he's our friend and
we're going to play poker with him. And so anything
that he had in this life like that had anything
to do with affection and camaraderie and socialization was because
of Sas. Because Sas was like, you're my number one,
take care of you. I love that.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah there, I mean speaking of like when you in
episode two, You're you're in it quite a bit with
Amy Ryan.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
What a weirdo? Isn't that the greatest season a character?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
I mean, just and she's so wondered that, I'm curious, like,
during scenes like that where only Charles can see you,
is there a lot of do people find it? Is
it hard to act with only you know, you're only
supposed to get reactions from one person. I imagine that's tough.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
I loved it because I was just there for him,
that's all. He was my He's my world. I am there.
I'm like Clarence to Jimmy Stewart in uh and it's
a wonderful life. I exist only for him. And I
loved that and also meant I had less lines, so
I did I could. I felt I was able to
(19:50):
just feel into a lot of what was going on.
And I love that. Just loved it.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
We spoke with Michael C. Crichton, who plays Howard.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Huh, oh, oh my god, the best you know, Oh
my god, I love him.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Us too, And he says we asked him, like, what
do you do to get into the role of Howard,
And he says that he has special socks, he wears,
he has a bracelets, so.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
He had a necklace in the glasses.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
And the glasses he said, oh yeah, so I put
the glasses on. I'm Howard and I'm curious if there
is anything like that for you.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
For says, oh, absolutely, the you know, just putting on
the hat and the glasses and I'm him. Yeah, before that,
I'm kind of like a girl dressed like a boy.
But once I put the hat and the glasses on,
and I wear a wig too. But maybe you're not
supposed to know that, but I wear a little gray
wig underneath it, so my hair looks like Steve's. Yeah,
as soon as I get those two things on, I
(20:46):
am says, I walk differently. My point of view about
the world is much cheerier and brighter than it is
for me.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
You know.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
She's a very earnest, kind of guileless person, you know,
and in the head and out the mouth kind of
girl too. She doesn't hold back. But it's it's it's
never with malice. It's it's with absolute affection and yeah,
and curiosity. She's just she's curious about things, and you
know sometimes it's like, oh my god, that hurt.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, well, and the curiosity got you into trouble. I think, yeah, maybe, well, well.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Did I put my nose maybe where.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
It wasn't supposed to go.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
We'll see what, we'll see what.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
We see, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Prior to playing sas and this season, I guess how
much research into the world of stunt people have you done?
Do you feel like you know a lot more about
the job of a stunt person now than you did before?
Are you still calling?
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Absolutely? And not because I did my research, but because
you know, the writers did. Absolutely. It's a whole world
that we explore in this season. You know, we we
have Uh it's a community, and I'm sure it isn't
in Hollywood too. It's a community of folks. They have
their own bar, they all know each other, they all
hire each other. Like Saz becomes a stunt coordinator for movies,
(22:09):
you know, after she works with them. We'll see that
in the course of the season. After she works for Brasos,
and you know, she knows all the guys. They're mostly guys.
You know, she knows all of them, and they they're
really tight, and it's almost like they're in the army together.
But they refer to their number ones. You know, my
(22:29):
number one, blah blah blah. No, so even once she's
not in Brasos, Charles is her number one. But yeah,
there's a whole world. There's a whole subculture and it's
very they're very loyal to each other in great respect
for what each other does.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, I mean yeah, they put on a whole funeral
for you in episode four is very beautiful.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Yeah, I cannot wait to see that.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Well, it's very good.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
It's good.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, we're having so much fun.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
We are good, good good.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Oh yeah, we dove deep, guys, We dove really deep.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Now, this is of course Corse co creator showrunner John Hoffman.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
We did do a lot of research. Actually, we did
a lot of research on you know, through our own
stunt team. They're all fantastic. They've been with us from
the beginning. And you know, Chris Barnes, Chris Barnes is
our stunt team leader, and he always sort of like
has great He's been around a long time and he
has those great stories. So that lore and that bond
(23:25):
of partnership and sort of loyalty that is within that world.
And he was in our ears for all previous seasons
and a bit here too, and you know, as we
started planning especially and then just having fun with things
like what you're seeing in episode four, which.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Is the stunt bar right, was up the stunt concussions.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Yeah, a stuntman's bar.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I'm thinking about this now. Maybe we can talk to
him for the podcast.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
If he loved to try.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Oh well, first of all, get ready because he's a
great voice for a podcast.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Gosh, okay, all right, well.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
I almost want to imitate Chris Barnes right now, but
I'm really holding myself.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
We'll get the real voice.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Yeah, he's amazing.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
We need to get Chris Barnes on this podcast. We
need to, yes, Okay, back to Jane Lynch. I'm curious
when you when you first learned that Saz was gonna
was gonna die?
Speaker 4 (24:24):
What was that?
Speaker 5 (24:25):
What was that like?
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Well, I was thrilled as an actor, you know, I
don't want my character to die. I don't, but uh,
I was thrilled because I knew that the next season
I would have a lot to do and it would
be really fun to figure that out. Oh who doesn't
want to be the murder victim, especially when there's you know,
(24:47):
flashbacks and done as a ghost too. I come back
as a ghost, you know. I didn't know that in
the beginning, but I thought it was great. I was
very flattered that he chose me to be the murder victim.
So John told you with excitement he did. Okay, well,
it was kind of like, you know, he's like the
nicest guy in the World's kind of listen, this is
(25:09):
a good thing. We're going to kill you. What do
you think about that?
Speaker 2 (25:13):
And it's great. I can see it, Yeah, I can
see it.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Do you think that people will puzzle out what happened
to Saz this season? I feel like usually people are
really way off.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
No, no, you don't think really good. There are always
people who know how to do, always things, you know,
but there are twists and turns, like any good mystery
that will be unexpected. You'll be kind of teased into
thinking it's going a certain way and then you get
(25:45):
pulled back. But nothing like crazy. It all makes sense.
I think what he does, I'm pretty sure is he
he starts at the end and then he reverse engineers,
you know, so it all makes sense. So I'm starting here,
I'm going to end up here so you can go
because he knows where he started and he knows where
he's ending. Yeah, I think that's how he does it.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
I think you're right. I think that's what we've heard.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Yeah, yeah, ish yeah, Yeah, probably for some adjustments as
time goes on. Yeah, I think to start, you have
to know where you're coming from and you don't have
to and where you're going to. But then that can
change too, that could change, that kind of grow and evolve. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Well, we are rooting for the trio to figure out
who killed Saz so that we can have some justice
for our beloved Sas attacking because you, thank you. Sas
is probably my favorite character on the whole show and
I'm such a huge, huge fan of your work.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Thank you so much. This has been a joy talking
to you and just the whole experience of being on
this show. Like I said, it's it starts at the
head there with John Hoffman and it kind of works
its way down in gorgeousness. So and you guys are
definitely an expression.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Well, thank you so much. Thank you, Thank you so much, Jane,
John and Michael. Now we're going to dive into some
emails and comments. We've got some good theories in the
mail this week. Here's what you are thinking.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Laura B.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
From Saskatoon thinks Doudanoff was the person in the photo
that's been scratched out and that they.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Were murdered, Kay, Thanks, Jan's contact on the outside has
to be Cinda Canning.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
That is a really good theory. I really like that theory.
Anna w is a Perfect Strangers fan and it's hoping
for a guest appearance from Mark Linn Baker or Bronson
Pincho this season.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
Love that.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I love that we have a real, live Perfect Strangers
fan in the audience.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Madelin m sent in her English essay on Mabel. Great
job and congrats on the good grade.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Congrats Battlin. We are also big fans of Mabel. Now
Here's Hannah from the Only Murdered subreddit.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
Episode four has given us a lot to chew on,
especially with that cliffhanger. So I am back with new
thoughts and theory from the Only Murders in the Building
sub reddit. First of all, we have an interesting theory
from tinker Bell Pixie, who says it seems like everything
is about doubles or a relation stunt doubles, Perfect Strangers,
(28:14):
casting doubles for the movie, Oliver's secret ig account, brothers, sisters,
et cetera. There has to be a reason, right. I
was thinking maybe Charles had a twin or something, or
if the twin was Dudenov, But that doesn't make sense
because it would have been mentioned and the wes Sias
would have said something after seeing Charles. But there has
(28:37):
to be a reason why Dudonov is so mysterious and
his face is scratched off. We're also still focusing on
the intended target mystery. Rahapsol seventy eight says Charles was
the intended target. Sas wanted to tell him she was retiring.
The investigation stuff was planted by the person they heard
in SAS's la apartment who they never chased after. My
(29:00):
guess it's bev who call on to the Westies while
scouting the Orconia as a location for the film. She
used them as a red herring to propel the investigation
for the purposes of the film. But the actual murderer
isn't a Westy. It's someone after Charles for a reason
hidden in this past, someone from the Browsers poker game.
Maybe speaking of the Westies this week, they have revealed
(29:23):
their big secret to Mabel, but they still kind of
seem a little suspicious. Here's what's m hole. Reeltors seventy
seven has to say about Vince's eye. What if his
pinkeye is movie makeup, given that all their apartments have
movie film Hollywood related stuff in it. What if they
(29:44):
dressed Vince's eye in movie makeup to look like a
pinky but it really is a bruise from the gun.
Next up, if you're only only murders in the building,
separate it. You know that we adore Howard, but we
also always kind of suspect him a little bit at
one point in each season, as it Rain one two
(30:05):
two says, Howard says he found the pig alone in
the hallway, but the pig escaped on the west side
of the building, which we have been told is sealed
off completely from the east side. Did the pig make
its way out the front door of the west side
and walk into the east side or was Howard over
in the west side of the building? If so, why
(30:28):
would he be there. Finally, we have Karaoke Girl ninety
three with some thoughts about Bev Melon and the episode's ending.
I think Bev Melon is also getting manipulated and it
led her to finding stuff out like Sas probably did,
and that's why she got super defensive when the trio
(30:49):
found her at the end of the episode. Maybe she
was being blackmailed or something. I think there will be
some sensitive information shared with the trio from BEV and
that may you will be a significant clue. So, while
we still don't have a main suspect, a theory dot
COM's lot is that the murder is someone from Charles's past,
(31:09):
perhaps someone who is jealous of his career or who
is seeking revenge for something. And I'm sure we'll find
out more next week, as will be halfway through the
season already. I'll be back then with some more theories
from the Only Murders in the Building sub reddit.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Thanks for listening to this episode of the Only Murders
in the Building Podcast. Please send your thoughts and theories
to us at only Murders at straw hutmedia dot com.
You can also send us a voice memo and we
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Speaker 2 (31:49):
Only Murders in the Building Podcast is a production of
straw Hut Media, hosted and produced by Ryan Tillotson and
Maggie Bowles. Associate producer is Stephen Markley. Original music by
Kyle Merritt and Only Murders in the Building. The music
by Saddartha Kosla. Assistant editor is Daniel Ferrera. Production assistant
is Carolyn Mendoza.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Thanks to Jane Lynch and Michael Sarah Crichton for talking
with us this week. Thanks to Hannah Uver at.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Reddit, and a big, big thanks as always to John
Hoffman and the entire Hulu team.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
See you next week.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Bye. Okay, that's it for today. Thank you so much
for listening. That podcast Metal and mentioned with Daniel Radcliffe
and his stunt double.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Or should we say David Holmes and his acting.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Double right, That podcast is called Stunning Stunts. Nope, Stunning Cuns.
The podcast is called Stunning Cuns. I didn't say that,
but I almost did.
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