September 11, 2024 • 38 mins
It’s time to talk about Season 4 Episode 3! Ryan and Maggie chat with writers Ben Smith and Pete Swanson about how much casting impacts writing the dynamics between the trio and their doubles. Plus, an alternate plan to get Stink Eye Joe to take off his eye patch that involved… a dozen hard boiled eggs?
We’ll also hear from Showrunner, Co-creator John Hoffman about the triumphant return of Detective Williams!
Just a heads up, there are spoilers for episode three. So listeners, if you haven't watched yet, stream it now and come right back!
We’ll be back Friday for more on Episode 3, so make sure you subscribe to the show if you haven’t already!
Send us your thoughts and theories (in a voice memo!): onlymurders@strawhutmedia.com
Or chat with fellow fans on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/OnlyMurdersHulu
We’ll also hear from Showrunner, Co-creator John Hoffman about the triumphant return of Detective Williams!
Just a heads up, there are spoilers for episode three. So listeners, if you haven't watched yet, stream it now and come right back!
We’ll be back Friday for more on Episode 3, so make sure you subscribe to the show if you haven’t already!
Send us your thoughts and theories (in a voice memo!): onlymurders@strawhutmedia.com
Or chat with fellow fans on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/OnlyMurdersHulu
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Before we get into today's show, we want to take
a quick minute to congratulate the Only Murders team on
their Emmy wins.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And guess what benj Passik and Justin Paul achieved. E
got status with their win for Outstanding Original Music and
Lyrics on the song which of the Pickwick Trip.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
But did it?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
You got status that they have won awards for Emmy's, Grammys, Oscars,
and Tony.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
That's a lot of awards.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
That's a lot. That's a lot of awards. It's every category.
It's an egot.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
You can go back and listen to our interview with
them in Opening Night Part two that was last season.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Patrick Howe and the production design team won also for
Outstanding Production Design, which we agree was fantastic. You can
hear our interview with Patrick in Opening Night Part three.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
And Siddartha Kosla won for Outstanding Music Composition for a
Series and you can hear our interview with sid by
going all the way back to season one. The episode
is called double Time.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Since the beginning of the series, they've had forty nine
Emmy nominations and seven Winsrats, guys, congrats to the Only
Murders team. We're so stoved. Okay, on with the show
Strawt Media.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
We govers the West Tower and I have a bag
of hard boiled eggs in my pocket and I'm just
going to offer a hard boiled egg to every single
person we see and if they eat a hard boiled egg,
they must be the killer.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Hello.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Welcome to the Only Murders in the Building Podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I'm Maggie Bowles and I'm Ryan Tillotson, and.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
We are looking behind the scenes and mining for clues
as we meet the cast and creators of the Hulu
original series Only Murders in the Building.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Today on the show, we're talking all about episode three.
Episode three, we'll hear from writers Ben Smith and Pete
Swanson about writing the dynamics between the Trio and their doubles,
and an alternate plan to get stink Eye Joe to
take off his ipatch.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
Well.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Also here from showrunner co creator John Hoffman about the
return of Detective Williams.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
But first recap and listeners. There are spoilers for episode
three in this recap, so if you haven't watched it,
hit pause, go watch and come.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Right back, all right. Episode three two for the.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Road, the Trio is going over evidence and Detective Williams
shows up. There was a bullet casing by the windowsill.
The Feds think that Jan is the killer. Apartment fourteen
F is the apartment of m. Doudanoff, a retired professor
living in Portugal.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Detective Williams says Saz was not the target and that
Charles was, and then Zach Alfanakis, Eugene Levy, and Eva
Longoria show up. The brothers sisters sent them out there.
They want them to shadow the trio for character research.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Charles and Eugene Levy brainstorm how to see if Vince
Fish is hiding a bruise behind his eye patch, a
bruise caused by kickback of a powerful rifle. Oliver tries
to get Zach to like him and decides to spend
the day transforming him into himself.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Mabel is tasked with investating Rudy Christmas All the Time Guy,
and she abandons Eva Longoria because she says she works alone.
But when she gets to Rudy's apartment, Eva Longoria is
already there. We discover Rudy also has a ham radio
and there's a large gun on the wall.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Oliver and Zach go and have a magical day together.
Will Howard watches the pig and monitors the ham radio.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
The pig that he found wandering the hall is very depressed.
Charles and Eugene Levey bring eye drops from Paraguay to
Vince Fish to try and get his eyepatch off, but
he applies them in the other room, so Charles decides
to tell it joke. Eugene Levy does a spittake, spits
water in his face, and Vince punches Eugene Levey in
the nose. Turns out it was pink eye after all.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Great scene. Eva's aggressive interrogation tactics lead us to discover
that the gun isn't real and that Rudy actually hates Christmas,
but has to pretend. Ever since a viral video, Rudy.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Shows Mabel and Eva that the tinsel the trio found
on Dudonof's windowsill is actually not tinsel after all because
it doesn't burn.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
What is it? After what Oliver thought was a very
successful day with Zach, we overhear Zach complaining to his
agent about the role and calling Oliver a narcissist.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
He says, underneath the scarves just more scarves.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Howard comes to his defense and helps Zach see Oliver
in a new light. He will immortalize him.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
This elegant worm. Charles and Eugene make up with Fins
and discover a photo by his door of all the
Westies together and in it there's a person holding a
pig and their face has been scratched out.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
At the end, Mabel decides to squat and do Denough's
apartment squatter's writes. Charles and Oliver come over after an
impromptu singing of the Perfect Strangers theme song. Oliver goes
through Howard's notes on the ham radio and see the
message meet me have four four five.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
It's a Hamm radio frequency.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
A mysterious voice appears. A voice with an accent trio
starts asking questions.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
The voice says, the lost parson who came around asking
these questions got killed me. I love you, honey.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Well, that's solves that mystery.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
To the road for the Road for the road title.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
There's a time when it was the Star Wars episode two,
Attack of the Clones was the full title.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
And why ever did you decide to change it?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I couldn't get a cleared I assume.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Synergistic for Disney. I don't know why they didn't like that.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
This is Pete Swanson and Ben Smith, the writers of
episode three.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
So I think the first question is what do you
both know about the history of wood. It's very little, Okay,
that's Ben.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
It goes back a long time, and that's Pete.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
But I was surprised that you could have a book
that big about it.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
We tried to look it up and see if we
could get a copy.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
There are two similar books.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, there are two similar books similar. Age of Wood
is a title, and I think.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
The Splintered History of Wood the other titles.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
That sounds great, Yeah, it's cute.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
But so this was a this is an original.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Yes, this was. It's one of those moments where someone
in the room pitches something and there's no use looking
it up. You just it gets typed and then it's
we move on.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Does that happen a lot, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
I think there are moments when it just like you're
all just vibing and you're just kind of like riding
a wave.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
I feel like you need a little line or a
moment to get you through the next page. And somebody
says something to everybody just instantly is yes, it's a huge.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yes, those moments are really special.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yeah, I bet you bet you they are. I think
that from what we've heard from John and Kristen Pete.
Were you the did you come up with the brothers
Sisters that?
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (07:08):
It was one of those stupid moments where I was
just like, what if can it be the brother Sisters?
And John was like, that's so stupid that we have
to do it. That was a nice moment.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
That's great, that's great.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
So Detective Williams is back. And I'm actually really curious
now Academy Award winning Davine. Was there any question was
she coming back or like, I don't know how that
works exactly. Did you just start writing her in.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, or had she won her Academy Award when you
decided to write her into the next season. Do you
write differently for her now that she's won an Academy Award?
Speaker 6 (07:44):
Model?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Is that why she got this monologue and she refused
to be interrupted?
Speaker 4 (07:49):
She is my memory serves like she We started working
on the season before nominations came out and before she won,
but she had won by the time we filmed this, correct,
So we because it was an early episode in the season,
so we wrote it a fair amount a fair chunk
before filming started, and.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
She was racking up the awards leading up to the Oscar,
so there was a sense of inevitability.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
I think, yeah, And I feel like we obviously hoped
we would get her because she's so great and we
had no idea what this star turning performance in the
Leftover or in the Holdovers would would do for her availability.
But she's been so clear that she loves the show
(08:35):
and that she loves the crew, and I'm being on set,
so I think everyone kind of like knew we wanted
to get her there, and if anything, we just wanted
to make sure, like she has a really fun energy
with the trio. But we also like didn't want to
go back and do the exact same thing that we
do every year, So we kind of liked her caring
about them. You know, that was a new color, is
(08:56):
that she was concerned she was helping them when she
wasn't supposed to do technically.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Which felt like a honestly, it felt like a natural
progression of things. It didn't feel weird or anything, you know, Like,
I love that she loves them.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, and that she's so protective over Zach Alphin. I
guess too. It's also really special. I feel the same way.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Close the door.
Speaker 7 (09:23):
All right, So I'm going to say this is really
quick because I'm not supposed to be here. It's not
even public yet, and I really need you guys to
know that at the end.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Of the day.
Speaker 8 (09:29):
Wait wait, wait, wait, detective, are you helping us right now?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Come on, cut that shit out.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
That woman knows how to enter an episode every time
walking in this time, the door opens and she just
quietly goes shut the door.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
I just love that.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Read This is John Hoffman, co creator, showrunner.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
We cannot make this television show without her.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
It's how I feel.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
That's just my opinion because I just adore her have
from the moment I met her and and how she
interpreted that part like nobody else could. And then just
to watch this year that she had I was we
were all just like so thrilled for her because she's
(10:13):
really deserving, an unbelievably lovely person. And just I remember
last year the episode she's nominated for the Emmy four,
the Sits Probe episode was the only one she was
in last year because she was working and making Alexander
Payne's Beautiful movie. But the directors of that, Bob and Sherry,
(10:35):
who you've spoken to and are back again and I
love but she watching them discover Davine while they shot
the CITs Probe episode and they kept on coming off
like this woman is a genius. I'm like, yes, because
if you only saw the stuff that's on the cutting
room floor of what every take different, every new thing
(10:58):
just coming at you like with around the corner choices
in the greatest way. I just love her. And yeah,
so we were very lucky. She was very kind and
sort of amidst all of the hoopla and challenges and
what a schedule you have to be on to be
in that award circuit that way, and then to find
(11:20):
the time to come and give us four episodes. I think, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
We love her. We were absolutely to see her.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (11:28):
M Dudanoff, retired professor who the neighbors are conveniently saying
he's not in town, he's in Portugal.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Well that's suspicious exactly, That's what I said.
Speaker 7 (11:37):
More, that's really fucking suspicious, because who an absolute fuck
we want to go to Portugal?
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Well, you got Spain right.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I apologize to Portuguese people. This is writer Kristen Newman.
You'll probably remember her from last episode, episode two.
Speaker 9 (11:51):
I apologize to the country of Portugal, to where where
all the Americans are moving and they love it so much.
I understand that I am the only one who feels
that there's no reason to go to Portugal when there's Spain.
I get it, and I'm sorry for that anti Portugal message.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
But I feel so good that it's out there in
the world because I feel it's.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
So deeply in me, and it's so much easier to
hear it from someone like Detective Williams. You know.
Speaker 7 (12:17):
All right, that's my whole thing. So now please feel
free to ask what other.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
Questions you have.
Speaker 10 (12:22):
Okay, back to writers Ben Smith and Pete Swanson. So
this episode was really it was really big in a
lot of ways. A lot happens, and there's like a
lot of development between the trio and their Hollywood doubles.
Can you tell us a little bit about, like in
the room, what the process was like deciding what their
dynamics were going to be and what they were going
(12:44):
to explore.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Yeah, you nailed it. That was both the challenge and
the fun of the episode, you know, just to like
peel back the curtain a little, like what the meta
conversations we're having, or like we're having celebrities playing themselves,
how do we want to portray them that is like
different from what you'd expect, but also feels like two
degrees removed from the real actors, so that we're poking
(13:08):
fun at real stuff. It doesn't feel like they're playing
someone completely different, but obviously it's a caricature. And similarly,
how is that portrayal going to affect our trio? You know?
The whole kind of the theme of the season. John
came in early was reflections and how seeing yourself portrayed
in different ways affects you or senior double, and so
(13:29):
that question was like a lot of what we were
doing in the room, and just to know that like
Oliver is a narcssist who is obsessed with his portrayal, Like, well,
we have to pair him with someone who thinks of
him as a shallon narcissist, And a natural progression was
like what if we then reveal he has this sad,
pining vulnerability underneath that Zach taps into. But also he's
(13:53):
terrified of how they'll be portrayed, but like, let's flip
that and like Mabel of just like the very careful
and calculating and cautious but smart versus the brash, loud,
like let's just shake it up and see what we
get by being ridiculous. Those became like very fun foils.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
I feel like something kind of unlocked for us when
there's like a couple of great moments with Eva from
episode one that I think helped sort of open up
the game that we were playing with them, when she's
sort of like, well, we're basically the same age, we're twins,
you know. And I think Eva of being willing to
make fun of herself in that way, and I think
we were almost a little unsure even at first of
(14:36):
what she'd be comfortable with or you know, where her
alliance were, and she was just so down for anything
that I think it gave us a lot of space
to play with that.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Yeah. Well, what that brings me to my next question
is like how much did that casting affect the writing
of those characters of Zach, Eva, Eugene, you know, like
did you know who they were going to be or how.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
I think Ben correct me if I'm wrong. But when
we turned in our writers draft, I don't think that
I think we had a sense of who it was
going to be, but they hadn't actually like inked the
deals yet, and so there was a little moment where
I think we might have just called them like movie
Mabel and movie Oliver, you know, when we were first
first writing it, and then it once it settled it
(15:19):
and then we were like, oh, we definitely have these people.
Then then we went back and did quite a bit
of rewriting.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Okay, yeah, And I think we knew kind of like,
you know, because we were driven by like our trio
first and foremost, because they're like the ones who are
the most important. Also, like we know who they are,
so we knew what arc we wanted them to go on.
And so I think even as we did have to
rewrite the episode a few times, the specifics would change
(15:46):
on the actors side to match their voice and match
their specifics of their personality and their history, but it
was still on the same journey, so we always always
whoever was playing Charles was a huge fan of Brasos
and idolized and here worshiped him, and Charles got a
little like drunk on this adoration, only to then disappoint
(16:10):
the person to be kind of a pathetic coward in
the end. That was always the case, but the jokes
would change, the vibe would change based on the after
we had.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
And I love Eugene Levey so much. He's so perfect.
I love it too in every way.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Well, okay, let's talk about that scene with Eugene and
Steve Martin and Richard kind Have you ever tried to
get an eye patch off of a man before?
Speaker 5 (16:43):
Yeah? Drawn from real life. Both of us have been
in that situation many times.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Life imitates art imitates life.
Speaker 11 (16:51):
Well, I was just bringing around a comedy legend, Eugene Levy,
to help everyone cope with the recent murders in the building.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
You know, maybe bring.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
A few miles and what's with the eye patches?
Speaker 11 (17:03):
Thanks for asking it just it turns out that Eugene
and I both simultaneously developed this pesky conjunctivide us. But
thankfully we have these new amazing drops.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
I just like context for that scene. Like you know,
sometimes working on this show, you get into like really
complicated storytelling conversations and like exposition and machinations and then
sometimes you hear a pitch that's just like what if
a character's only goal is to remove someone's eye patch,
(17:36):
And you're like that is so clean and so funny,
and imagining Charles's character like trying to do that, like
you get giddy to write it to be like it's
so all you have to do is do a little
bit of set up in the beginning to be like
is it a bruise or is it pink eye? The
only way to knows to remove an eyepatch. And so
then we were like thrilled, and we had like tons
(17:58):
and tons of pitches of different ways that you could
try to get someone's eye patch off.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
That's one of our questions we would love to us.
We would love to hear some of them.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Some of the rejected ideas well.
Speaker 12 (18:09):
One of the what we ultimately did was like, okay,
the most logical thing is you would have eye drops
and like just ask them to take it off, like
that's like And so that's what we ended up leading
with our brainstorming session where they were like playing the concertinas.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
They were throwing out crazy ideas for how to remove
eye patches, pinatas or something like something where you want
proper depth perception because you're swinging a bat, because the
stakes are It was like, let's play a game of
stickball and the winner gets to be king of the neighborhood.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
For the whole summer.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
And it's like with steaks that I he would of
course remove his iPad.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
You know, stuff that doesn't make sense, that's very valid.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
Can you remind me, Ben?
Speaker 3 (18:52):
What was.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
I hate that? I can't remember this, but the eggs?
What was the egg bit that we had?
Speaker 4 (18:58):
We had a whole different storyline where Charles. Charles's plan
was like we need to remove an eyepatch, and Eugene's
plan was, I'm really fixating on eggs. Like this didn't happen,
Like there used to be an episode two that there
were pieces what we thought were paint chips on the
window were actually pieces of an egg, a hard boiled egg,
(19:22):
and they were like, oh my god, the killer eats
hard boiled eggs, and you flip an omelet like eggs.
I don't know why I can't stop thinking about eggs.
And so he's like, my plan is we go over
to the West Tower and I have a bag of
hard boiled eggs in my pocket and I'm just going
to offer a hard boiled egg to every single person
we see and if they eat a hard bold egg,
they must be the killer. And then in that scene,
(19:45):
he would keep trying to offer Vince hardboiled eggs, and
Vince would be like, I don't want your hard boiled eggs,
and he would just be like, oh, but they're so good,
and he would like eat them to prove how good
they are. And over the course of the scene, Eugene
Levy would eat like twelve hardboiled eggs and then he
vomited and that he vomited on his face and he
had to take off the eye patch to because of that,
(20:07):
and it inadvertently worked and for whatever reason, we didn't
do that whatever.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
He said, Oh my god, but that's really funny.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Yeah, that scene. The whole backstory on the like eye
drops and my cousin, doctor Salazar Savage.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
My uncle.
Speaker 11 (20:24):
He went to Paraguay as a missionary in the forties
to help convert the indigenous Montagallo people and raise his
only son.
Speaker 13 (20:37):
Again they genius but criminally obscured Doctor Salazar Savage.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Yes, that was all written initially as a single monologue.
There was like a page and a half long, all
delivered by Charles and it was written by one of
the other writers, Matteo Borghesi. He just like screamed a
conscience like let me tell you this story, which really
had us laugh.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
And then.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Then we were like, oh, it could be fun to
lean into the comedy background of the two of them
having to piece together this story together. But all the
credit to that whole scene to Matteo Borghesy.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Really good.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
I loved it, and I'm sorry, where is this going?
I'll tell you where this is going.
Speaker 11 (21:18):
My cousin developed a cutting edge pink eye treatment from
the native a lava cactus.
Speaker 13 (21:24):
Which is not available here due to some trivial FDA regulations,
and I will not go into detail about that.
Speaker 11 (21:33):
Yeah, anyway, the point is.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
In fact, yes, the point being the point.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
I mean, he was just such a delight the whole time.
It's and it was always him, which we've told him
too many times now he's probably sick of hearing it.
But the original name was just on the scripts. It
was just Richard Kind before we ever cast him. But
he just felt he felt so natural to the party,
was such a it was such a delight, and he
was so gassed up that day that it was him
(22:01):
and Steve and Eugene on set just like getting a
joke around together. It was. It was really fun, and
there were some times where they were all having like
a tough time holding it together. It was. It was
like very fun to get to see. And by the way,
that cat it's important that that cannibal joke was all
Steve Martin, which is just a real thing of beauty.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
That is beautiful.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
That is beautiful.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
That's good.
Speaker 11 (22:29):
Anyway, So these two snails are vacationing in Beverly Hills.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Yeah you're here, try it. Try I try it. But
are and a duck? No, no, no, that's not funny.
You take it, you drink you drink it. You drink it,
you drink it, you drink it.
Speaker 11 (22:39):
Anyway, these two cannibals are sitting down to a nice meal,
a big asshole, a clown, and one cannibal says to
the other, this s takes funny to you. That's that's
not a bruise, that is a pink pink eye.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Yeah he tibiotic resistant, big guy.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
I loved his reactions during the improv back and forth,
Like the point is, oh, so there is a point
like those types, Like he really sold it for me. Yeah,
I thought he was so funny. He's He's like, he's
so funny the whole season.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
I can't wait to see where Worston Guy Joe goes.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah. After the break, we'll talk more about the budding
friendship between Oliver and Zach Galifanakis.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Plus who exactly is responsible for the perfect Stranger's reference?
Welcome back. This episode, we learn the backstory of the
third Westy Window Christmas All the Time Guy aka Rudy played.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
By Kumeil nan Gianni.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
This is Ben Smith and Pete Swanson again the writers
of the episode.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Okay, so we get the history of the influencer Chris
Guy played by Camille in this w Where did that?
How did that come about?
Speaker 5 (24:06):
This was a combination of things, one of them being
starting with a water bottle that Ben has which is
about the size of a small child, which comes from
his recent delving into I'm sorry, I'm putting you on
blasts a little bit here, Ben, but he's a fitness guy.
Now he's just absolutely ripped. I don't know if you
can tell through the audio, but.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
You sound more swollen than before.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
He jacked out of his mind, works out really hard.
He's getting married soon. Yeah, And so I think that
we were playing around with the idea of, you know,
who are these people in the West Tower? Who are
these people that you know, there's this sort of tailor
two cities thing that we've got going on, and what
are the people that aren't movie stars like Charles Aden
(24:51):
Savage or you know whatever. Mapele's situation is that she
can afford to be in this building, but who are
the people that have to scrounge and they're wrestling with
their survival in New York. And I think it was
fun to get into the idea of, like what does
this influencer look like? As soon as the cameras go
off and you're just in this sort of miserable situation
surrounded by incredible set decoration. To be clear, I was
(25:15):
absolutely blow when we stepped on set.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
I feel like it was a funny, like it was
a fun thing for us to return to the building
as suspects and your neighbors as suspects, which obviously was
such a big thing in season one, and like last year,
we're in the theater and those room most of our
suspects and just to go back to that early first
week or a couple of weeks of the room, or
we're like, who are those odd?
Speaker 4 (25:39):
When you're just like looking through the windows of of
people in New York, Like what are those weird snippets
of life? You see? That could be weird? And the
idea of someone just stirring a pot of sauce, or
someone squinting, or someone like obsessed with Christmas could be
like grounds for that person might be a murderer because
they love Christmas that much and it's year round, so
(26:01):
that like amused us. And then just subvert it. We're like, oh,
we want to undercut it. This person hates Christmas. And
I forget who had the backstory that about their one
sexy Elf video, but it all made sense when they
said it.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
Also shout out to Camail. He was very nice. I
happened to be on set when they were filming that
and he was getting the names sharpeyed onto his abs
and I mentioned that I had a wife, and he
was like, oh, what's your name, I'll add it to
the list. So right at the bottom if you deposit,
there's Marissa written across his apps. Which is.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I love that?
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Has your wife seen the cut yet? Or I love that?
I love that. I can't wait to hear how how
she reacts.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
She's gonna love it. I can't crack a hundred likes
unless it's Christmas theme content. My success is my president.
Speaker 14 (26:59):
These ornaments, the reindeer that gun from a Christmas story,
these are my jailers.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Every five seconds people are asking me if they're still
on the naughty list.
Speaker 13 (27:09):
That's a lot of names, willowed abs, thank you.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
I think in this episode we had a lot of
pig puns, right, yes.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
I think at least three.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
At least three.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Natalie Porkman is the one I wrote down, but I
know there were like two after that.
Speaker 14 (27:24):
But we're going to cheer you up and have a
great day, isn't that right? Natalie Porkman guessing names and
waiting for reaction.
Speaker 15 (27:31):
George Swinebrenner, she's obviously a she, Honny Man, Gloria Swine
I'm then, I.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Know how many pig puns did you guys come up with?
How many more will we get in this season?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I guess it seems to be a pig.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
It's very ham heavy, it's.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
A ham heavy episode. We got the ham Radio exactly,
handy Fate Baker. There was Ben you you know, But
there was one that got left on the cutting room
floor that was a Zach improvisation that I thought was
pretty good. You can say it pure and wasn't there.
(28:11):
Wasn't there. Piggy star Dust was another one to that episode.
I can remember.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
That was like our happy place. Whenever we needed were like,
let's just pitch on more pig names.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
So let's talk now about the Zach Alfanakis Oliver dynamic.
We loved the.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
French chantage was beautiful.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
We loved everything about it, basically, you.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Know, the friendship montage and the Perfect Strangers. We were
talking about just like, oh, it would be funny if
they have like a true bonding, like let me teach
you how to be all of our sequence. And I
think it was Dan Vogelman who was like, it kind
of reminds me of a Perfect Stranger's opening credits, and
(28:56):
he just said it. And then later we were like,
when we writing it, we were watching the opening credits
and listening to the music, and then it kind of
spiraled into becoming a bigger plot point. But that came
out of us, like first describing the montage Dan identifying
it as like it reminds me of Perfect Strangers, and
then we ran with it.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Have you guys ever seen Perfect Strangers?
Speaker 4 (29:17):
I had not before, not before that.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yeah, I still haven't, and all I've.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Seen is the credits. But I feel like a big
influence for writing this and and for you in it,
and like it helped us with the staging and the
scenes was May December that movie.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
Yeah, absolutely, I think there was. There was, you know
that moment where they're doing the makeup in front of
the mirror and sort of watching Natalie Portman slowly become Julian,
And there was I think it had just come out
when we were writing, and it was sort of in
the in the ether a little bit. It was fun
to get to explore, like what does may Oliver Puttnam?
(30:01):
Oliver Puttnam And I think this was sort of like
a uniquely vulnerable moment for him because he wants this
movie to work out so badly and he cares so
much about his legacy that if there was ever a
moment where where we're going to get some honesty from
him about some of the origins of his storytelling, and
like how he carries himself and why he presents himself
(30:22):
to the world the way that he does. I think
it was going to be with Zach, and I think
Zach really Like one of my favorite moments in the
episode is just the way that Zach, briefly for this
small moment softens when Oliver's telling him that he just
wants it to be the bestest movie ever, and Zach's like,
you don't want to be forgotten, And there's like something
(30:43):
in there that just felt very genuine, and it was
a sweet side of Oliver to get to see.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
When I was a kid, I had a dream.
Speaker 8 (30:54):
That I would live a life that someday someone would
want to turn into a film. And now all I
want is it to be the best film ever made.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Wow, that's really brave for you to admit that, but
probably not for the reasons you think.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Okay, I'm sorry, I get it.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
You don't want to be forgotten.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Oh, I mean it was really sad when when we
see him talking to his agents about how much he
hates him. I'm sad. That was really sad for me.
But then, but then.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
I also love Howard's back, Howard backing him up in
the most brutal way possible. I think I wrote down
like so many of the lines like regal worm, technical
cockroach that refuses to be killed. I was like, this
is this is fantastic.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
Oh yeah, Michael did a really great job with that. Really,
as he always does.
Speaker 14 (31:48):
There is no obstacle nor tragedy that Oliver Putnam can't
bounce back from. Think about what he's been through, flop
after flop after flop on stage off.
Speaker 15 (32:00):
You know, it is different, like for some reason, ever
since the beginning. I don't know what Howard and Charles's
relationship is fully, but I know that for some reason,
every time Howard talks to Charles, there's like a little
bit of anger in it, you know what I mean,
There's just that's the way I react to that particular
character ever since he was in My apartment in season one.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
That of course is the voice of Michael Cyril Crichton,
who plays Howard.
Speaker 15 (32:21):
But he's always had the sort of feeling with Maybel
be like, hey, let's be girls, like let's wear buds,
we're buddies.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
And then Oliver, I think, is just a god to him.
Oliver is a god.
Speaker 15 (32:33):
He's everything. Howard wishes and wants to be, and he
idolizes him so to get to defend him that way,
so clumsily.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
He's such a joy.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Flop flop.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Lah.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
We rewatched it just because it was so great. Yeah,
now that's psychosexual.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
That's me.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
You're not the court.
Speaker 11 (32:58):
Chester king here.
Speaker 8 (33:01):
Yeah, I think with Howard Mint No no, no, no.
Speaker 7 (33:03):
No, you're this elegant worm, this dressed up door mat,
this technicallor Conchroache refuses to die.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
We'll hear more from Michael next week. Back to Pete
and Ben, do you.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Want to ask them for a clue?
Speaker 4 (33:19):
I'd say I feel like we get new information about
one clue in this episode, in particular. There's probably others
that I'm forgetting about. But Kumail Rudy likes the tinsil
and says, this is not tinsil because it's not flammable.
Speaker 11 (33:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Right, that's a pretty big one.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
And so that's a big that's a big piece.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Of which is already it's in the show. But I'm
just like that, I feel like, is uh, it's a clue.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
It is a clue.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
It is a clue.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
So you're saying we already gave you a clue, leave
us alone.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
Yeah, and there's the the Ben tell me if this
is redactable or not. But the photo in Vince's apartment, Oh.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
The photo is we see the photo the scratched out face.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Yeah, that I mean that obviously feels like a clue.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
It feels too clue.
Speaker 8 (34:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
And we at the ham radio, the lady with the
accent on the right radio.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
I don't know what to say about any of this,
but it does. That's a clue.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Un familiar.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Interesting, it does.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
We have an idea, we have a.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Guess maybe, but also we don't know anything, and we're
historically almost always wrong.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
So we're gonna let you flap in the breeze on
this one.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Do you feel like you have a leader in the
clubhouse right now?
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Absolutely not, No, no, not at all.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I'm very bad at this sort of thing. Though.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
I thought after what episode one, I was like, it's
Amy Ryan, And then she came in episode two, and.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Well, I had a friend I was watching when I
remember when season one came out, I just started working
on the show. Season two. I was watching with a
buddy of mine and he didn't know anything about season one.
And Jan gets on the elevator and he just goes,
I bet she's the murder. I was just like, what
what are you talking? Like, why why are you saying that?
(35:06):
I was I don't know, I just think it's her.
And then it was so annoying because he was right.
Speaker 8 (35:11):
On.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
Some people have that talent.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
That's a gift our season two and one, UH co
host Elizabeth Keener guest Poppy like immediately, but she had
no reason. She just was like, I think it's Poppy. Yeah,
why she was, I just do And then she changed
her mind later and then at the end of it
(35:36):
she was actually right. She called it right away even
though she had no basis for it and could not
explain why she thought it.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Trust your gut, yeah, sometimes I guess so.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Sometimes I feel like it's a weird thing every season
when we come back, where like we know what happened
in all previous seasons and how we set up the murder,
and we know that our viewers have seen it on
about it too, where like we're still walk that lineup.
It's all there, should you want it, but also we
need to like present whoever the killer or killers are
(36:10):
in a way that like subverts the way you think
we tell our stories totally.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
That is like gotta be so challenging.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Yeah, it's tough, and make it funny, like we can't
do this because we did it last time, or we
need to do it opposite because they'll think that means
that person's innocence and being like it's a damn was
it a game? Yeah it is and we love playing it.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
Yeah, and that's why we love when it's just like,
let's take off an ipatch. We're like, oh, it's so uncomplicated.
There's no meta like trickery.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Okay, that's it for today. We will be back Friday
for more Episode three Talk where we hear from John
Hoffman and I'm very excited. Ryan tell them who we're going.
Speaker 10 (36:58):
To talk to the amazing That's right, Vince Fish, see Guy, Joe.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
See you.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
Then.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
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Only Murders in the Building Podcast. Please send your thoughts
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Speaker 2 (37:24):
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Speaker 1 (37:33):
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Maggie Bowles. Associate producer is Stephen Markley. Original music by
Kyle Merritt and Only Murders in the Building theme music
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is Carolyn Mendoza.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Thank you to Ben Smith and Pete Swanson for talking
to us. Thank you also to Kristin Newman. Thank you
to Michael Cyril Creighton and Big Big Big Things. As
always to John Hoffman and the entire Hulu team, thanks
for talking tops.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
See you soon. I you know, I was on the
Disney app or whatever recently and all the Hulu shows
are on there. I'm very confused by the two platforms now.
It doesn't make any sense anyway, I won't put that
in the show.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Why we've really called you here today?
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Yeah, Yeah, that's what I really want to talk about
while we're here.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
Yeah,
Before we get into today's show, we want to take
a quick minute to congratulate the Only Murders team on
their Emmy wins.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And guess what benj Passik and Justin Paul achieved. E
got status with their win for Outstanding Original Music and
Lyrics on the song which of the Pickwick Trip.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
But did it?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
You got status that they have won awards for Emmy's, Grammys, Oscars,
and Tony.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
That's a lot of awards.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
That's a lot. That's a lot of awards. It's every category.
It's an egot.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
You can go back and listen to our interview with
them in Opening Night Part two that was last season.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Patrick Howe and the production design team won also for
Outstanding Production Design, which we agree was fantastic. You can
hear our interview with Patrick in Opening Night Part three.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
And Siddartha Kosla won for Outstanding Music Composition for a
Series and you can hear our interview with sid by
going all the way back to season one. The episode
is called double Time.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Since the beginning of the series, they've had forty nine
Emmy nominations and seven Winsrats, guys, congrats to the Only
Murders team. We're so stoved. Okay, on with the show
Strawt Media.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
We govers the West Tower and I have a bag
of hard boiled eggs in my pocket and I'm just
going to offer a hard boiled egg to every single
person we see and if they eat a hard boiled egg,
they must be the killer.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Hello.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Welcome to the Only Murders in the Building Podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I'm Maggie Bowles and I'm Ryan Tillotson, and.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
We are looking behind the scenes and mining for clues
as we meet the cast and creators of the Hulu
original series Only Murders in the Building.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Today on the show, we're talking all about episode three.
Episode three, we'll hear from writers Ben Smith and Pete
Swanson about writing the dynamics between the Trio and their doubles,
and an alternate plan to get stink Eye Joe to
take off his ipatch.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
Well.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Also here from showrunner co creator John Hoffman about the
return of Detective Williams.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
But first recap and listeners. There are spoilers for episode
three in this recap, so if you haven't watched it,
hit pause, go watch and come.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Right back, all right. Episode three two for the.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Road, the Trio is going over evidence and Detective Williams
shows up. There was a bullet casing by the windowsill.
The Feds think that Jan is the killer. Apartment fourteen
F is the apartment of m. Doudanoff, a retired professor
living in Portugal.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Detective Williams says Saz was not the target and that
Charles was, and then Zach Alfanakis, Eugene Levy, and Eva
Longoria show up. The brothers sisters sent them out there.
They want them to shadow the trio for character research.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Charles and Eugene Levy brainstorm how to see if Vince
Fish is hiding a bruise behind his eye patch, a
bruise caused by kickback of a powerful rifle. Oliver tries
to get Zach to like him and decides to spend
the day transforming him into himself.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Mabel is tasked with investating Rudy Christmas All the Time Guy,
and she abandons Eva Longoria because she says she works alone.
But when she gets to Rudy's apartment, Eva Longoria is
already there. We discover Rudy also has a ham radio
and there's a large gun on the wall.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Oliver and Zach go and have a magical day together.
Will Howard watches the pig and monitors the ham radio.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
The pig that he found wandering the hall is very depressed.
Charles and Eugene Levey bring eye drops from Paraguay to
Vince Fish to try and get his eyepatch off, but
he applies them in the other room, so Charles decides
to tell it joke. Eugene Levy does a spittake, spits
water in his face, and Vince punches Eugene Levey in
the nose. Turns out it was pink eye after all.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Great scene. Eva's aggressive interrogation tactics lead us to discover
that the gun isn't real and that Rudy actually hates Christmas,
but has to pretend. Ever since a viral video, Rudy.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Shows Mabel and Eva that the tinsel the trio found
on Dudonof's windowsill is actually not tinsel after all because
it doesn't burn.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
What is it? After what Oliver thought was a very
successful day with Zach, we overhear Zach complaining to his
agent about the role and calling Oliver a narcissist.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
He says, underneath the scarves just more scarves.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Howard comes to his defense and helps Zach see Oliver
in a new light. He will immortalize him.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
This elegant worm. Charles and Eugene make up with Fins
and discover a photo by his door of all the
Westies together and in it there's a person holding a
pig and their face has been scratched out.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
At the end, Mabel decides to squat and do Denough's
apartment squatter's writes. Charles and Oliver come over after an
impromptu singing of the Perfect Strangers theme song. Oliver goes
through Howard's notes on the ham radio and see the
message meet me have four four five.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
It's a Hamm radio frequency.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
A mysterious voice appears. A voice with an accent trio
starts asking questions.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
The voice says, the lost parson who came around asking
these questions got killed me. I love you, honey.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Well, that's solves that mystery.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
To the road for the Road for the road title.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
There's a time when it was the Star Wars episode two,
Attack of the Clones was the full title.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
And why ever did you decide to change it?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I couldn't get a cleared I assume.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Synergistic for Disney. I don't know why they didn't like that.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
This is Pete Swanson and Ben Smith, the writers of
episode three.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
So I think the first question is what do you
both know about the history of wood. It's very little, Okay,
that's Ben.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
It goes back a long time, and that's Pete.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
But I was surprised that you could have a book
that big about it.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
We tried to look it up and see if we
could get a copy.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
There are two similar books.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, there are two similar books similar. Age of Wood
is a title, and I think.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
The Splintered History of Wood the other titles.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
That sounds great, Yeah, it's cute.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
But so this was a this is an original.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Yes, this was. It's one of those moments where someone
in the room pitches something and there's no use looking
it up. You just it gets typed and then it's
we move on.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Does that happen a lot, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
I think there are moments when it just like you're
all just vibing and you're just kind of like riding
a wave.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
I feel like you need a little line or a
moment to get you through the next page. And somebody
says something to everybody just instantly is yes, it's a huge.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yes, those moments are really special.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yeah, I bet you bet you they are. I think
that from what we've heard from John and Kristen Pete.
Were you the did you come up with the brothers
Sisters that?
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (07:08):
It was one of those stupid moments where I was
just like, what if can it be the brother Sisters?
And John was like, that's so stupid that we have
to do it. That was a nice moment.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
That's great, that's great.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
So Detective Williams is back. And I'm actually really curious
now Academy Award winning Davine. Was there any question was
she coming back or like, I don't know how that
works exactly. Did you just start writing her in.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, or had she won her Academy Award when you
decided to write her into the next season. Do you
write differently for her now that she's won an Academy Award?
Speaker 6 (07:44):
Model?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Is that why she got this monologue and she refused
to be interrupted?
Speaker 4 (07:49):
She is my memory serves like she We started working
on the season before nominations came out and before she won,
but she had won by the time we filmed this, correct,
So we because it was an early episode in the season,
so we wrote it a fair amount a fair chunk
before filming started, and.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
She was racking up the awards leading up to the Oscar,
so there was a sense of inevitability.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
I think, yeah, And I feel like we obviously hoped
we would get her because she's so great and we
had no idea what this star turning performance in the
Leftover or in the Holdovers would would do for her availability.
But she's been so clear that she loves the show
(08:35):
and that she loves the crew, and I'm being on set,
so I think everyone kind of like knew we wanted
to get her there, and if anything, we just wanted
to make sure, like she has a really fun energy
with the trio. But we also like didn't want to
go back and do the exact same thing that we
do every year, So we kind of liked her caring
about them. You know, that was a new color, is
(08:56):
that she was concerned she was helping them when she
wasn't supposed to do technically.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Which felt like a honestly, it felt like a natural
progression of things. It didn't feel weird or anything, you know, Like,
I love that she loves them.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, and that she's so protective over Zach Alphin. I
guess too. It's also really special. I feel the same way.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Close the door.
Speaker 7 (09:23):
All right, So I'm going to say this is really
quick because I'm not supposed to be here. It's not
even public yet, and I really need you guys to
know that at the end.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Of the day.
Speaker 8 (09:29):
Wait wait, wait, wait, detective, are you helping us right now?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Come on, cut that shit out.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
That woman knows how to enter an episode every time
walking in this time, the door opens and she just
quietly goes shut the door.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
I just love that.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Read This is John Hoffman, co creator, showrunner.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
We cannot make this television show without her.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
It's how I feel.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
That's just my opinion because I just adore her have
from the moment I met her and and how she
interpreted that part like nobody else could. And then just
to watch this year that she had I was we
were all just like so thrilled for her because she's
(10:13):
really deserving, an unbelievably lovely person. And just I remember
last year the episode she's nominated for the Emmy four,
the Sits Probe episode was the only one she was
in last year because she was working and making Alexander
Payne's Beautiful movie. But the directors of that, Bob and Sherry,
(10:35):
who you've spoken to and are back again and I
love but she watching them discover Davine while they shot
the CITs Probe episode and they kept on coming off
like this woman is a genius. I'm like, yes, because
if you only saw the stuff that's on the cutting
room floor of what every take different, every new thing
(10:58):
just coming at you like with around the corner choices
in the greatest way. I just love her. And yeah,
so we were very lucky. She was very kind and
sort of amidst all of the hoopla and challenges and
what a schedule you have to be on to be
in that award circuit that way, and then to find
(11:20):
the time to come and give us four episodes. I think, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
We love her. We were absolutely to see her.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (11:28):
M Dudanoff, retired professor who the neighbors are conveniently saying
he's not in town, he's in Portugal.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Well that's suspicious exactly, That's what I said.
Speaker 7 (11:37):
More, that's really fucking suspicious, because who an absolute fuck
we want to go to Portugal?
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Well, you got Spain right.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I apologize to Portuguese people. This is writer Kristen Newman.
You'll probably remember her from last episode, episode two.
Speaker 9 (11:51):
I apologize to the country of Portugal, to where where
all the Americans are moving and they love it so much.
I understand that I am the only one who feels
that there's no reason to go to Portugal when there's Spain.
I get it, and I'm sorry for that anti Portugal message.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
But I feel so good that it's out there in
the world because I feel it's.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
So deeply in me, and it's so much easier to
hear it from someone like Detective Williams. You know.
Speaker 7 (12:17):
All right, that's my whole thing. So now please feel
free to ask what other.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
Questions you have.
Speaker 10 (12:22):
Okay, back to writers Ben Smith and Pete Swanson. So
this episode was really it was really big in a
lot of ways. A lot happens, and there's like a
lot of development between the trio and their Hollywood doubles.
Can you tell us a little bit about, like in
the room, what the process was like deciding what their
dynamics were going to be and what they were going
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to explore.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Yeah, you nailed it. That was both the challenge and
the fun of the episode, you know, just to like
peel back the curtain a little, like what the meta
conversations we're having, or like we're having celebrities playing themselves,
how do we want to portray them that is like
different from what you'd expect, but also feels like two
degrees removed from the real actors, so that we're poking
(13:08):
fun at real stuff. It doesn't feel like they're playing
someone completely different, but obviously it's a caricature. And similarly,
how is that portrayal going to affect our trio? You know?
The whole kind of the theme of the season. John
came in early was reflections and how seeing yourself portrayed
in different ways affects you or senior double, and so
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that question was like a lot of what we were
doing in the room, and just to know that like
Oliver is a narcssist who is obsessed with his portrayal, Like, well,
we have to pair him with someone who thinks of
him as a shallon narcissist, And a natural progression was
like what if we then reveal he has this sad,
pining vulnerability underneath that Zach taps into. But also he's
(13:53):
terrified of how they'll be portrayed, but like, let's flip
that and like Mabel of just like the very careful
and calculating and cautious but smart versus the brash, loud,
like let's just shake it up and see what we
get by being ridiculous. Those became like very fun foils.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
I feel like something kind of unlocked for us when
there's like a couple of great moments with Eva from
episode one that I think helped sort of open up
the game that we were playing with them, when she's
sort of like, well, we're basically the same age, we're twins,
you know. And I think Eva of being willing to
make fun of herself in that way, and I think
we were almost a little unsure even at first of
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what she'd be comfortable with or you know, where her
alliance were, and she was just so down for anything
that I think it gave us a lot of space
to play with that.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Yeah. Well, what that brings me to my next question
is like how much did that casting affect the writing
of those characters of Zach, Eva, Eugene, you know, like
did you know who they were going to be or how.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
I think Ben correct me if I'm wrong. But when
we turned in our writers draft, I don't think that
I think we had a sense of who it was
going to be, but they hadn't actually like inked the
deals yet, and so there was a little moment where
I think we might have just called them like movie
Mabel and movie Oliver, you know, when we were first
first writing it, and then it once it settled it
(15:19):
and then we were like, oh, we definitely have these people.
Then then we went back and did quite a bit
of rewriting.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Okay, yeah, And I think we knew kind of like,
you know, because we were driven by like our trio
first and foremost, because they're like the ones who are
the most important. Also, like we know who they are,
so we knew what arc we wanted them to go on.
And so I think even as we did have to
rewrite the episode a few times, the specifics would change
(15:46):
on the actors side to match their voice and match
their specifics of their personality and their history, but it
was still on the same journey, so we always always
whoever was playing Charles was a huge fan of Brasos
and idolized and here worshiped him, and Charles got a
little like drunk on this adoration, only to then disappoint
(16:10):
the person to be kind of a pathetic coward in
the end. That was always the case, but the jokes
would change, the vibe would change based on the after
we had.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
And I love Eugene Levey so much. He's so perfect.
I love it too in every way.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Well, okay, let's talk about that scene with Eugene and
Steve Martin and Richard kind Have you ever tried to
get an eye patch off of a man before?
Speaker 5 (16:43):
Yeah? Drawn from real life. Both of us have been
in that situation many times.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Life imitates art imitates life.
Speaker 11 (16:51):
Well, I was just bringing around a comedy legend, Eugene Levy,
to help everyone cope with the recent murders in the building.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
You know, maybe bring.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
A few miles and what's with the eye patches?
Speaker 11 (17:03):
Thanks for asking it just it turns out that Eugene
and I both simultaneously developed this pesky conjunctivide us. But
thankfully we have these new amazing drops.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
I just like context for that scene. Like you know,
sometimes working on this show, you get into like really
complicated storytelling conversations and like exposition and machinations and then
sometimes you hear a pitch that's just like what if
a character's only goal is to remove someone's eye patch,
(17:36):
And you're like that is so clean and so funny,
and imagining Charles's character like trying to do that, like
you get giddy to write it to be like it's
so all you have to do is do a little
bit of set up in the beginning to be like
is it a bruise or is it pink eye? The
only way to knows to remove an eyepatch. And so
then we were like thrilled, and we had like tons
(17:58):
and tons of pitches of different ways that you could
try to get someone's eye patch off.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
That's one of our questions we would love to us.
We would love to hear some of them.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Some of the rejected ideas well.
Speaker 12 (18:09):
One of the what we ultimately did was like, okay,
the most logical thing is you would have eye drops
and like just ask them to take it off, like
that's like And so that's what we ended up leading
with our brainstorming session where they were like playing the concertinas.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
They were throwing out crazy ideas for how to remove
eye patches, pinatas or something like something where you want
proper depth perception because you're swinging a bat, because the
stakes are It was like, let's play a game of
stickball and the winner gets to be king of the neighborhood.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
For the whole summer.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
And it's like with steaks that I he would of
course remove his iPad.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
You know, stuff that doesn't make sense, that's very valid.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
Can you remind me, Ben?
Speaker 3 (18:52):
What was.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
I hate that? I can't remember this, but the eggs?
What was the egg bit that we had?
Speaker 4 (18:58):
We had a whole different storyline where Charles. Charles's plan
was like we need to remove an eyepatch, and Eugene's
plan was, I'm really fixating on eggs. Like this didn't happen,
Like there used to be an episode two that there
were pieces what we thought were paint chips on the
window were actually pieces of an egg, a hard boiled egg,
(19:22):
and they were like, oh my god, the killer eats
hard boiled eggs, and you flip an omelet like eggs.
I don't know why I can't stop thinking about eggs.
And so he's like, my plan is we go over
to the West Tower and I have a bag of
hard boiled eggs in my pocket and I'm just going
to offer a hard boiled egg to every single person
we see and if they eat a hard bold egg,
they must be the killer. And then in that scene,
(19:45):
he would keep trying to offer Vince hardboiled eggs, and
Vince would be like, I don't want your hard boiled eggs,
and he would just be like, oh, but they're so good,
and he would like eat them to prove how good
they are. And over the course of the scene, Eugene
Levy would eat like twelve hardboiled eggs and then he
vomited and that he vomited on his face and he
had to take off the eye patch to because of that,
(20:07):
and it inadvertently worked and for whatever reason, we didn't
do that whatever.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
He said, Oh my god, but that's really funny.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Yeah, that scene. The whole backstory on the like eye
drops and my cousin, doctor Salazar Savage.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
My uncle.
Speaker 11 (20:24):
He went to Paraguay as a missionary in the forties
to help convert the indigenous Montagallo people and raise his
only son.
Speaker 13 (20:37):
Again they genius but criminally obscured Doctor Salazar Savage.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Yes, that was all written initially as a single monologue.
There was like a page and a half long, all
delivered by Charles and it was written by one of
the other writers, Matteo Borghesi. He just like screamed a
conscience like let me tell you this story, which really
had us laugh.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
And then.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Then we were like, oh, it could be fun to
lean into the comedy background of the two of them
having to piece together this story together. But all the
credit to that whole scene to Matteo Borghesy.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Really good.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
I loved it, and I'm sorry, where is this going?
I'll tell you where this is going.
Speaker 11 (21:18):
My cousin developed a cutting edge pink eye treatment from
the native a lava cactus.
Speaker 13 (21:24):
Which is not available here due to some trivial FDA regulations,
and I will not go into detail about that.
Speaker 11 (21:33):
Yeah, anyway, the point is.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
In fact, yes, the point being the point.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
I mean, he was just such a delight the whole time.
It's and it was always him, which we've told him
too many times now he's probably sick of hearing it.
But the original name was just on the scripts. It
was just Richard Kind before we ever cast him. But
he just felt he felt so natural to the party,
was such a it was such a delight, and he
was so gassed up that day that it was him
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and Steve and Eugene on set just like getting a
joke around together. It was. It was really fun, and
there were some times where they were all having like
a tough time holding it together. It was. It was
like very fun to get to see. And by the way,
that cat it's important that that cannibal joke was all
Steve Martin, which is just a real thing of beauty.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
That is beautiful.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
That is beautiful.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
That's good.
Speaker 11 (22:29):
Anyway, So these two snails are vacationing in Beverly Hills.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Yeah you're here, try it. Try I try it. But
are and a duck? No, no, no, that's not funny.
You take it, you drink you drink it. You drink it,
you drink it, you drink it.
Speaker 11 (22:39):
Anyway, these two cannibals are sitting down to a nice meal,
a big asshole, a clown, and one cannibal says to
the other, this s takes funny to you. That's that's
not a bruise, that is a pink pink eye.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Yeah he tibiotic resistant, big guy.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
I loved his reactions during the improv back and forth,
Like the point is, oh, so there is a point
like those types, Like he really sold it for me. Yeah,
I thought he was so funny. He's He's like, he's
so funny the whole season.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
I can't wait to see where Worston Guy Joe goes.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah. After the break, we'll talk more about the budding
friendship between Oliver and Zach Galifanakis.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Plus who exactly is responsible for the perfect Stranger's reference?
Welcome back. This episode, we learn the backstory of the
third Westy Window Christmas All the Time Guy aka Rudy played.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
By Kumeil nan Gianni.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
This is Ben Smith and Pete Swanson again the writers
of the episode.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Okay, so we get the history of the influencer Chris
Guy played by Camille in this w Where did that?
How did that come about?
Speaker 5 (24:06):
This was a combination of things, one of them being
starting with a water bottle that Ben has which is
about the size of a small child, which comes from
his recent delving into I'm sorry, I'm putting you on
blasts a little bit here, Ben, but he's a fitness guy.
Now he's just absolutely ripped. I don't know if you
can tell through the audio, but.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
You sound more swollen than before.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
He jacked out of his mind, works out really hard.
He's getting married soon. Yeah, And so I think that
we were playing around with the idea of, you know,
who are these people in the West Tower? Who are
these people that you know, there's this sort of tailor
two cities thing that we've got going on, and what
are the people that aren't movie stars like Charles Aden
(24:51):
Savage or you know whatever. Mapele's situation is that she
can afford to be in this building, but who are
the people that have to scrounge and they're wrestling with
their survival in New York. And I think it was
fun to get into the idea of, like what does
this influencer look like? As soon as the cameras go
off and you're just in this sort of miserable situation
surrounded by incredible set decoration. To be clear, I was
(25:15):
absolutely blow when we stepped on set.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
I feel like it was a funny, like it was
a fun thing for us to return to the building
as suspects and your neighbors as suspects, which obviously was
such a big thing in season one, and like last year,
we're in the theater and those room most of our
suspects and just to go back to that early first
week or a couple of weeks of the room, or
we're like, who are those odd?
Speaker 4 (25:39):
When you're just like looking through the windows of of
people in New York, Like what are those weird snippets
of life? You see? That could be weird? And the
idea of someone just stirring a pot of sauce, or
someone squinting, or someone like obsessed with Christmas could be
like grounds for that person might be a murderer because
they love Christmas that much and it's year round, so
(26:01):
that like amused us. And then just subvert it. We're like, oh,
we want to undercut it. This person hates Christmas. And
I forget who had the backstory that about their one
sexy Elf video, but it all made sense when they
said it.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
Also shout out to Camail. He was very nice. I
happened to be on set when they were filming that
and he was getting the names sharpeyed onto his abs
and I mentioned that I had a wife, and he
was like, oh, what's your name, I'll add it to
the list. So right at the bottom if you deposit,
there's Marissa written across his apps. Which is.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I love that?
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Has your wife seen the cut yet? Or I love that?
I love that. I can't wait to hear how how
she reacts.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
She's gonna love it. I can't crack a hundred likes
unless it's Christmas theme content. My success is my president.
Speaker 14 (26:59):
These ornaments, the reindeer that gun from a Christmas story,
these are my jailers.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Every five seconds people are asking me if they're still
on the naughty list.
Speaker 13 (27:09):
That's a lot of names, willowed abs, thank you.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
I think in this episode we had a lot of
pig puns, right, yes.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
I think at least three.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
At least three.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Natalie Porkman is the one I wrote down, but I
know there were like two after that.
Speaker 14 (27:24):
But we're going to cheer you up and have a
great day, isn't that right? Natalie Porkman guessing names and
waiting for reaction.
Speaker 15 (27:31):
George Swinebrenner, she's obviously a she, Honny Man, Gloria Swine
I'm then, I.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Know how many pig puns did you guys come up with?
How many more will we get in this season?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I guess it seems to be a pig.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
It's very ham heavy, it's.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
A ham heavy episode. We got the ham Radio exactly,
handy Fate Baker. There was Ben you you know, But
there was one that got left on the cutting room
floor that was a Zach improvisation that I thought was
pretty good. You can say it pure and wasn't there.
(28:11):
Wasn't there. Piggy star Dust was another one to that episode.
I can remember.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
That was like our happy place. Whenever we needed were like,
let's just pitch on more pig names.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
So let's talk now about the Zach Alfanakis Oliver dynamic.
We loved the.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
French chantage was beautiful.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
We loved everything about it, basically, you.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Know, the friendship montage and the Perfect Strangers. We were
talking about just like, oh, it would be funny if
they have like a true bonding, like let me teach
you how to be all of our sequence. And I
think it was Dan Vogelman who was like, it kind
of reminds me of a Perfect Stranger's opening credits, and
(28:56):
he just said it. And then later we were like,
when we writing it, we were watching the opening credits
and listening to the music, and then it kind of
spiraled into becoming a bigger plot point. But that came
out of us, like first describing the montage Dan identifying
it as like it reminds me of Perfect Strangers, and
then we ran with it.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Have you guys ever seen Perfect Strangers?
Speaker 4 (29:17):
I had not before, not before that.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yeah, I still haven't, and all I've.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Seen is the credits. But I feel like a big
influence for writing this and and for you in it,
and like it helped us with the staging and the
scenes was May December that movie.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
Yeah, absolutely, I think there was. There was, you know
that moment where they're doing the makeup in front of
the mirror and sort of watching Natalie Portman slowly become Julian,
And there was I think it had just come out
when we were writing, and it was sort of in
the in the ether a little bit. It was fun
to get to explore, like what does may Oliver Puttnam?
(30:01):
Oliver Puttnam And I think this was sort of like
a uniquely vulnerable moment for him because he wants this
movie to work out so badly and he cares so
much about his legacy that if there was ever a
moment where where we're going to get some honesty from
him about some of the origins of his storytelling, and
like how he carries himself and why he presents himself
(30:22):
to the world the way that he does. I think
it was going to be with Zach, and I think
Zach really Like one of my favorite moments in the
episode is just the way that Zach, briefly for this
small moment softens when Oliver's telling him that he just
wants it to be the bestest movie ever, and Zach's like,
you don't want to be forgotten, And there's like something
(30:43):
in there that just felt very genuine, and it was
a sweet side of Oliver to get to see.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
When I was a kid, I had a dream.
Speaker 8 (30:54):
That I would live a life that someday someone would
want to turn into a film. And now all I
want is it to be the best film ever made.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Wow, that's really brave for you to admit that, but
probably not for the reasons you think.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Okay, I'm sorry, I get it.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
You don't want to be forgotten.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Oh, I mean it was really sad when when we
see him talking to his agents about how much he
hates him. I'm sad. That was really sad for me.
But then, but then.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
I also love Howard's back, Howard backing him up in
the most brutal way possible. I think I wrote down
like so many of the lines like regal worm, technical
cockroach that refuses to be killed. I was like, this
is this is fantastic.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
Oh yeah, Michael did a really great job with that. Really,
as he always does.
Speaker 14 (31:48):
There is no obstacle nor tragedy that Oliver Putnam can't
bounce back from. Think about what he's been through, flop
after flop after flop on stage off.
Speaker 15 (32:00):
You know, it is different, like for some reason, ever
since the beginning. I don't know what Howard and Charles's
relationship is fully, but I know that for some reason,
every time Howard talks to Charles, there's like a little
bit of anger in it, you know what I mean,
There's just that's the way I react to that particular
character ever since he was in My apartment in season one.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
That of course is the voice of Michael Cyril Crichton,
who plays Howard.
Speaker 15 (32:21):
But he's always had the sort of feeling with Maybel
be like, hey, let's be girls, like let's wear buds,
we're buddies.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
And then Oliver, I think, is just a god to him.
Oliver is a god.
Speaker 15 (32:33):
He's everything. Howard wishes and wants to be, and he
idolizes him so to get to defend him that way,
so clumsily.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
He's such a joy.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Flop flop.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Lah.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
We rewatched it just because it was so great. Yeah,
now that's psychosexual.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
That's me.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
You're not the court.
Speaker 11 (32:58):
Chester king here.
Speaker 8 (33:01):
Yeah, I think with Howard Mint No no, no, no.
Speaker 7 (33:03):
No, you're this elegant worm, this dressed up door mat,
this technicallor Conchroache refuses to die.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
We'll hear more from Michael next week. Back to Pete
and Ben, do you.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Want to ask them for a clue?
Speaker 4 (33:19):
I'd say I feel like we get new information about
one clue in this episode, in particular. There's probably others
that I'm forgetting about. But Kumail Rudy likes the tinsil
and says, this is not tinsil because it's not flammable.
Speaker 11 (33:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Right, that's a pretty big one.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
And so that's a big that's a big piece.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Of which is already it's in the show. But I'm
just like that, I feel like, is uh, it's a clue.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
It is a clue.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
It is a clue.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
So you're saying we already gave you a clue, leave
us alone.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
Yeah, and there's the the Ben tell me if this
is redactable or not. But the photo in Vince's apartment, Oh.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
The photo is we see the photo the scratched out face.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Yeah, that I mean that obviously feels like a clue.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
It feels too clue.
Speaker 8 (34:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
And we at the ham radio, the lady with the
accent on the right radio.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
I don't know what to say about any of this,
but it does. That's a clue.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Un familiar.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Interesting, it does.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
We have an idea, we have a.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Guess maybe, but also we don't know anything, and we're
historically almost always wrong.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
So we're gonna let you flap in the breeze on
this one.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Do you feel like you have a leader in the
clubhouse right now?
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Absolutely not, No, no, not at all.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I'm very bad at this sort of thing. Though.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
I thought after what episode one, I was like, it's
Amy Ryan, And then she came in episode two, and.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Well, I had a friend I was watching when I
remember when season one came out, I just started working
on the show. Season two. I was watching with a
buddy of mine and he didn't know anything about season one.
And Jan gets on the elevator and he just goes,
I bet she's the murder. I was just like, what
what are you talking? Like, why why are you saying that?
(35:06):
I was I don't know, I just think it's her.
And then it was so annoying because he was right.
Speaker 8 (35:11):
On.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
Some people have that talent.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
That's a gift our season two and one, UH co
host Elizabeth Keener guest Poppy like immediately, but she had
no reason. She just was like, I think it's Poppy. Yeah,
why she was, I just do And then she changed
her mind later and then at the end of it
(35:36):
she was actually right. She called it right away even
though she had no basis for it and could not
explain why she thought it.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Trust your gut, yeah, sometimes I guess so.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Sometimes I feel like it's a weird thing every season
when we come back, where like we know what happened
in all previous seasons and how we set up the murder,
and we know that our viewers have seen it on
about it too, where like we're still walk that lineup.
It's all there, should you want it, but also we
need to like present whoever the killer or killers are
(36:10):
in a way that like subverts the way you think
we tell our stories totally.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
That is like gotta be so challenging.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Yeah, it's tough, and make it funny, like we can't
do this because we did it last time, or we
need to do it opposite because they'll think that means
that person's innocence and being like it's a damn was
it a game? Yeah it is and we love playing it.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
Yeah, and that's why we love when it's just like,
let's take off an ipatch. We're like, oh, it's so uncomplicated.
There's no meta like trickery.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Okay, that's it for today. We will be back Friday
for more Episode three Talk where we hear from John
Hoffman and I'm very excited. Ryan tell them who we're going.
Speaker 10 (36:58):
To talk to the amazing That's right, Vince Fish, see Guy, Joe.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
See you.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
Then.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Thank you so much for listening to this episode of
Only Murders in the Building Podcast. Please send your thoughts
and theories to us at only Murders at straw hutmedia
dot com.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
If you enjoy the show, please take a minute to subscribe, rate,
follow us, leave us a review, answer a question. It's
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Speaker 1 (37:33):
Only Murders in the Building Podcast is a production of
straw Hut Media, hosted and produced by Ryan Tillotson and
Maggie Bowles. Associate producer is Stephen Markley. Original music by
Kyle Merritt and Only Murders in the Building theme music
by Siddartha Kosla. Assistant editor is Daniel Ferrera. Production assistant
is Carolyn Mendoza.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Thank you to Ben Smith and Pete Swanson for talking
to us. Thank you also to Kristin Newman. Thank you
to Michael Cyril Creighton and Big Big Big Things. As
always to John Hoffman and the entire Hulu team, thanks
for talking tops.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
See you soon. I you know, I was on the
Disney app or whatever recently and all the Hulu shows
are on there. I'm very confused by the two platforms now.
It doesn't make any sense anyway, I won't put that
in the show.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Why we've really called you here today?
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Yeah, Yeah, that's what I really want to talk about
while we're here.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
Yeah,
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